You don’t need to flip the rose. the protruding finger in the rose corresponds with the location of immigration holding facility.
It’s a huge coincidence that the Tiburon looking rock formation sits right on top of the rose (
angel
island) were it should be. Also shark on top left of painting (position of Pacific ocean) can be a second clue to Tiburon (shark in Spanish).

I’m not suggesting that the Tiburon/Angel Isle. is the destination but just a clue in the painting. I posted my turn-table theory earlier. Does anyone read anymore?

I
‘m not suggesting that the Tiburon/Angel Isle. is the destination but just a clue in the painting.
I
posted my turn-table theory earlier. Does anyone read anymore?

I’m not suggesting that the Tiburon/
Angel
Isle. is the destination but just a clue in the painting. I posted my turn-table theory earlier. Does anyone read anymore?

Another plight of Asian immigration story is Japanese immigration. Two famous fountains in SF were designed by Ruth Asawa. SF Fountain in front of Grand Hyatt in downtown, the other is mermaids in Ghirardelli square. Long story short, she was in internment camp for Japanese Americans when she was 16.
One side of the Fountain shows Lombard st.
Mermaids sitting in Yin Yang position, one of the mermaids cradles a baby, similar arm position as in painting.
https://i.imgur.com/bcnX03c.jpg

Another plight
of
Asian immigration story is Japanese immigration. Two famous fountains in SF were designed by Ruth Asawa. SF Fountain in front
of
Grand Hyatt in downtown, the other is mermaids in Ghirardelli square. Long story short, she was in internment camp for Japanese Americans when she was 16.
One side
of
the Fountain shows Lombard st.
Mermaids sitting in Yin Yang position, one
of
the mermaids cradles a baby, similar arm position as in painting.
https://
i
.imgur.com/bcnX03c.jpg

A number of people, myself included, think that the triangle symbol in the woman’s stole in Image 11 represents the iconic Citgo sign above Kenmore square.
My avatar for this forum is a photo of the Kenmore Square Citgo sign.

Speaking of the palace of fine arts and the symbols, specifically the circle, Yin Yang and two half circles; I had to drag these out of the backups from a long time ago (April!). Some fun stuff I was brainstorming:
In Chinese culture, the circle stands for “fulfilled”, “oneness”, “perfection”, “unity”. More specifically, it’s the process of something coming full circle that bears the most importance. Family members get together to celebrate the day that the moon is at its fullest (Mid-Autumn day). Two halves of a broken round mirror symbolizes the reunion of spouses who were separated. Yin and Yang forms a perfect circle divided by a sinuous line (taichi symbol), and stands for the oneness of conflicting forces inside everything.
https://allegravita.com/2012/04/23/more … e-culture/
So playing with the painting I tried to join the two broken halves of a mirror. This also could be done by folding a printed copy of the picture in the 80’s.

Choice

In Chinese culture, the circle stands for “fulfilled”, “oneness”, “perfection”, “unity”. More specifically, it’s the process of something coming full circle that bears the most importance. Family members get together to celebrate the day that the moon is at its fullest (Mid-Autumn day). Two halves of a broken round mirror symbolizes the reunion of spouses who were separated. Yin and Yang forms a perfect circle divided by a sinuous line (taichi symbol), and stands for the oneness of conflicting forces inside everything.

In Chinese culture, the Taichi/circle stands for none of the above.

Just quoting online research

In China, or to a Chinese person
there are 3 things that symbol could mean,
1: Taoism(Religion)
2: Martial Art
3: Magnet

If you’re a 6 year old grasshopper

you trying to make a racist joke?

I don’t know how your brain works but that’s for the team of psychologists to figure out.

Thanks for all the historic pic’s. Keep up the good work. Is anyone concerned about the 3 wooden high posts? Do they change anyone’s solution? Also, I really like Redwood Park at the Transamerica building. If I was BP that is where I would put it if it was a public park because it hits the trifecta of the BP check list. The problem is that it is a private park and I’m not sure if the rules state that the casque would not be buried in a private park?
I have have 3 solves but I don’t have Sutro Tower anymore for my 3 high posts. I have it for the sounds from the sky. My ending spot is at the Legion of Honor. Matt came up with the Giant Pole and I finally figured out the Giant step at the Legion of Honor. I’m going to get my dig permit from the SF Park and Rec. This will be my first dig attempt.
Does anyone have a link to a decent resolution of image 1?

After speaking with the grounds keeper, the original lincoln highway marker was found on the floor under a work bench in the groundskeeper work area in the early 1990s.  People(at the time) who had worked their for 20+ years do not remember who put it there, or when, but they also did not remember it being in place and then going missing.  The best theory is that it was knocked over by a car in the 60s or early 70’s and put in the shed until it could be replaced, then forgotten about.
So the predominant theory by the Lincoln park groundskeepers is it was not in place in the early 1980s.
I in no way believe that Gh has any association with the Ghirardelli’s sign.  I will admit I originally did, Until I found the original tourist map of Golden Gate Park that was used by JJP to create the illustration.  and the Gh lined up with the Great highway  and the fonts matched the text on the map.(except it was reversed.). Ghirardelli’s is a red herring, admittedly a tasty chocolate red herring, but a red herring nonetheless (yes the first h in highway on the map was lower case
If you draw a straight line through the center of the door, the location of the flagpole, in intersects directly with Fort Point and the southern anchor of the Golden Gate Bridge.
It will also pass right through your bench.  So it is a possibility, however, I still haven’t seen proof the benches were there in 1981.  Whats missing is the exact clue that takes us to the bench.  Giant Step does not work, you cant make a giant step to get to the bench, you need to  climb over a wall walk down a hill and across a street.  That in no translation = a giant step, unless you arbitrarily conjecture a giant tall enough to make that one step. In that case you would need a reason to make the giant exactly that tall.  using the reason “because thats how far the bench is” doesn’t work because you would be starting from the end.
The way this has to work, is solve the clues and arrive at a spot to dig, not pick a spot to dig and backtrack the clues to get there.
In the solved, casques when the spot is found you look at the clues  and its obvious.
when I consider the bench I look at the clues and go how the hell did it get here?

I like you’re approach maltedfalcon.  It’s tough to decide how to take that information from the groundskeepers’ memory.  As for the giant step to the bench, I only assumed it’s a spot you get to that has a safe and accessible boundary before it drops off steeply.  The bench idea really grabs me as a “place to sit and think” to go with the “Thinker” idea of being at a stone wall.  That it looks out at the Golden Gate Bridge might take shape as a “door” metaphor.
Maybe Fort Point figures in better.  Maybe the terminus marker itself doesn’t belong in the process, but acknowledgint the highway in some form is what’s important and the reason the words “giant step” are used.  I’m enthusiastic about the idea that a highway = giant step.  I’d like to think the giant pole should work to line up perfectly with something to figure out the dig spot.
Let’s rehash this some more.  I believe you posted all you’re findings on the highway as hG already, is there anything else you have on how the highway map clue fits?

scottrocks, haven’t done a lot of research yet on the moon garden, i had been leaning more toward aquatic park and  coit tower side of san francisco. i think most people are getting permission from the parks people when they find a certain spot they want to dig.  i found this one picture that i liked because of the water, hoping it represented a river for the Twain connection:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= … l%26sa%3DN

but if that is the window, it would be right there in the Golden Gate Park, (i think
jimerson do you think that is the window?  what do you guys think?
i guess i didn’t really answer your question scottrocks…..but, hey, i can make any verse fit anywhere, lol.
and of course i like the moon bridge:
http://flickr.com/photos/markluukkonen/1068984910/
with all the moons in the picture

that would be great jimerson, most of the old sites don’t work anymore, so i couldn’t see all the old pictures. i’m glad you’re still around

slappybuns

bclews did you ever poke around the totem pole at the beach?

I was never there.  I found the photo online.

The Moon Garden may be the location. My aunt who has lived in California most of her life said you could not sneak in the Japanees Tea Garden. I do not know wether or not she understood I was talking about the early ’80s but if she did then the moon garden may be the place. I will E-mail her and see what she says.
How much of the moon garden matches the verse.

i’m trying to find out more about mark twain, and i remember huckleberry finn and tom sawyer fishing….i know there are lakes at the park….is there by any chance a big fishing pole?
and i found out he used to umpire at baseball games, i saw the baseball player there at the park.
how about this, there’s a huck finn sportcasting place, on highway #1 at half-moon bay, lol

Keep in mind the Moon Viewing Garden is part of the Botanical Gardens, which have always been home to many rare and delicate plants. It is also one of the more popular areas of the park, like the Japanese Tea Garden, and the entire Botanical Garden is closed at night and surounded by fences and gates.

It’s also been stated that no casque was buried in a public or private flower bed.

Oh well I had a dig today but came up empty.
LOL Josh you should have bet me….
Still a very fun day,

Seem the puzzle difficulty level has increased.

maltedfalcon

Oh well I had a dig today but came up empty.
LOL Josh you should have bet me….
Still a very fun day,

From your wager offer, I was convinced that you had it locked down.
Best of luck on the next dig.

where did you dig?

Euhirudinea

Read what I wrote again Trohn. And thank you for making my point.

No prob. Happy to help.

Euhirudinea

Seemingly, that’s the way the puzzle works. Which makes random association just about the worst way to try and solve it.

Best thing I have read in a while.

Shakespeare, or Robert Burns DO NOT tell us anything about the puzzle if there is no connection. First show how the verse has a strong or exact quote or some strong visual detail relates one of these poets. Any logic without grounds to support is foolish.
Using the LotJ, I’ve taken hold of an idea based on some word choices. It’s not convincingly relatable, but at least it’s a basis for wondering how the words “chaste” and “pure as the silver” are
supportive to some conclusion
. It’s important to realize at the same time how absurd it would be to draw your conclusions from any outside source material, this includes the LotJ, Vanishing, Field Guide, etc. The point of looking for some shred of relatable information is not to draw a conclusion, but to add support to what already essentially fits the verse and image.
In Chicago, “cold morning green” was not necessary to the conclusions leading to a corner of Grant Park. It’s merelybinteresting and fun to think with green = money, and morning low temps in May = 50 degrees is one way a person can accept there is some significance to looking in Grant Park. The same kind of whimsical logic seems to apply to Melville in Houston or Sarmiento in NOLA. We’re looking at mere shreds for relevance. There isn’t always a clear sense of culturally specific context, thus our navigation should be very tentative.
I wouldn’t be convinced the 11 moons are an Apollo 11 connection, but maybe there’s something valuable in it. There certainly are a lot of moons…I wonder if we should count the pearl, for a total of 12.

Euhirudinea

Given how prolific Shakespeare was, it would be improbable only if you couldn’t make a connection.
In many ways, it’s like Mark Twain and the mysterious object of his attention. Nobody knows what that is. And until the casque is dug up in SF, nobody can know what that is. Seemingly, that’s the way the puzzle works. Which makes random association just about the worst way to try and solve it.

Its not the object of Mark Twain’s attention.
Its the object of Twain’s attention.. huge difference and discrepancy.

Unknown

Unknown:
Its not the object of Mark Twain’s attention.

Read what I wrote again Trohn. And thank you for making my point.

Trohn

Its not the object of Mark Twain’s attention.
Its the object of Shania Twain’s attention.. huge difference and discrepancy.

Happy belated April 1.
=]

Hello all. Didn’t want to interrupt the thread but thought I would share this information for those still considering Lafayette Park. According to the Victorian Alliance of SF, the drinking fountain is still located along the path near the center of the park between the playground and the restrooms. The online photo is looking roughly south. Hope that could be helpful as a possible site confirmer.

Mister EZ

Happy belated April 1.
=]

[Drunk Nerds pulls out his Big List of Twain’s Attention possibilities, crosses out “Brad Pitt”]
Also I totally agree about the intentional omission of Mark, there. That’s why the only answer I really like is Marx meadow. It doesn’t rely on history, it is simply wordplay. Preiss didn’t say “hey here’s this local musician from chicago, and also here’s this famous artist,” he simply referred to the art and the music buildings as “brush and music.” Dude liked wordplay, not history.

erexere

Shakespeare, or Robert Burns DO NOT tell us anything about the puzzle if there is no connection. First show how the verse has a strong or exact quote or some strong visual detail relates one of these poets. Any logic without grounds to support is foolish.
Using the LotJ, I’ve taken hold of an idea based on some word choices. It’s not convincingly relatable, but at least it’s a basis for wondering how the words “chaste” and “pure as the silver” are
supportive to some conclusion
. It’s important to realize at the same time how absurd it would be to draw your conclusions from any outside source material, this includes the LotJ, Vanishing, Field Guide, etc. The point of looking for some shred of relatable information is not to draw a conclusion, but to add support to what already essentially fits the verse and image.
In Chicago, “cold morning green” was not necessary to the conclusions leading to a corner of Grant Park. It’s merelybinteresting and fun to think with green = money, and morning low temps in May = 50 degrees is one way a person can accept there is some significance to looking in Grant Park. The same kind of whimsical logic seems to apply to Melville in Houston or Sarmiento in NOLA. We’re looking at mere shreds for relevance. There isn’t always a clear sense of culturally specific context, thus our navigation should be very tentative.
I wouldn’t be convinced the 11 moons are an Apollo 11 connection, but maybe there’s something valuable in it. There certainly are a lot of moons…I wonder if we should count the pearl, for a total of 12.

I would have to disagree with you here, Field guide , Corporate Giant mentions Karl Marx, in GGP is Marx meadow, it can’t be any clearer that the two are spelled the same MARX, which absolutely points you to that direction. It is not a fluke that the two are spelled the same. What are the odds? As for Apollo 11 (IMO) it’s just a theory and has a solid connection to JFK, that’s all. I haven’t heard a better interpretation for the 11 moons other then MAYBE the represents balls around the park? OR the moon bridge, which has nothing to do with the puzzle ( unless you are digging there) But why 11 so specific.

anus905

perhaps not shakespeare…(though shakespeare def tells you something)…but definitely ole burnsey…
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/ … d-red-rose

Yes, I found a reference to Burns in another puzzle. Not that this relates to this puzzle, but maybe another, Burns was a Mason.

Euhirudinea

Given how prolific Shakespeare was, it would be improbable only if you couldn’t make a connection.
In many ways, it’s like Mark Twain and the mysterious object of his attention. Nobody knows what that is. And until the casque is dug up in SF, nobody can know what that is. Seemingly, that’s the way the puzzle works. Which makes random association just about the worst way to try and solve it.

The word ROSE in Shakespeare only occurs 75 times. The first folio itself is over 900 pages. Folio size pages are very large! They measure 12″ x 18″. That is a lot of words. I simply took the ideas in this forum that shakespeare was involved and that the rose could also be a reference to that. The Pill Grim is in The Secret. IDK. Bright Orient Pearl in Passionate Pilgrim verse X. And the lady in the painting is wearing a glowing pearl necklace. To me that isn’t a stretch. I shouldn’t have said improbable. I was heading off exactly what you said anyhow. That i make to many leaps to make something fit. I simply plugged in the word and there it was.
i think what I do for a living affects how I put things together.

Goonies68,
I understand. I might’ve said it poorly, the verse and image are the most direct means to draw a conclusion. The field guide, LotJ and other parts of the book maybe supportive, just not the primary source material for the specific puzzle.
Seeing solid evidence in secondary sources is problematic. Understanding the basis of something in a supportive context is to treat something lightly. Always be careful when forming ideas that might only be a personal perspective as opposed to a solid move on Preiss part.
I hesitate to say the LotJ is a foundation of solid moves. It’s very light supportive material, if at all, since you’re dealing with such a huge limitation of word definition, or idiom.
Chaste and pure silver = Adam and Eve or silver’s purity of 999, suggesting some special significance to the Dragon puzzle? Very loose idea. One might wonder ofnthe alchemical symbols or the “Hg” could be a metallic hint.
Cold morning green = Ulysses S .Grant on a 50 dollar bill in the Celtic puzzle? also loose.l, but when You Take time to identify or compare his facial features with the painting you have a narrower field of supporting evidence.

Goonies68,
I understand. I might’ve said it poorly, the verse and image are the most direct means to draw a conclusion. The field guide, LotJ and other parts of the book maybe supportive, just not the primary source material for the specific puzzle.
I agree with this 100%. The key is supportive, IMO I do believe the field guide does this. The guide doesn’t tell you how to get to the path you take nor does it give you a image to confirm, what it does do is support certain words to help you along a path. The puzzle will be solved with verse and image. possibly a little help from the field guide.

as someone who has actually solved the puzzle, i can say with 100 % certainty, that both Shakespeare and Burns are very much part of the puzzle.

The theme for the painting is china. Ggp has a Chinese pavillion that was built in 81. It’s also called a moon viewing pavillion
Very simple to put the two together. This pavillion is also what I believe is Twains attention when it comes to this puzzle. I realizes anything can be Twains attention but looking at the Chinese theme, 11 moons in my opinion it can only be one thing.

Thecollector420

The theme for the painting is china. Ggp has a Chinese pavillion that was built in 81. It’s also called a moon viewing pavillion
Very simple to put the two together. This pavillion is also what I believe is Twains attention when it comes to this puzzle. I realizes anything can be Twains attention but looking at the Chinese theme, 11 moons in my opinion it can only be one thing.

Why 11? 1 moon would be sufficient to tie the Pavilion in.

or, more particularly, what does that have to do with Twain?

you guys should really ask mf the answer to the twain clue…he saw the whole explanation…

The 11 moons could represent apollo 11. One small step for man, one GIANT leap for mankind.

If you have an awesome clue then show evidence that supports it, otherwise you may be putting much weight on an auxiliary angle.

I think the moons tell you what the giant step is.i think the giant pole is the goddess of the forest. You would move in the direction of the pavilion 11 steps. 27.5 feet. That’s where I believe the casque is kept

anus905

you guys should really ask mf the answer to the twain clue…he saw the whole explanation…

Why ask MF when you are the source…….? Please tell how it all ties together.

Goonie68

Why ask MF when you are the source…….? Please tell how it all ties together.

It’s like the Ark of the Covenant Goonie. If you tried to gaze on the original source you’d be driven mad or blinded.

what happened to mf anyways, he said he was digging up the casque yesterday (outside of GGP)…

perhaps not shakespeare…(though shakespeare def tells you something)…but definitely ole burnsey…
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/ … d-red-rose

this tells us roses spring in june, hence why we do the puzzle in june. clever. clever.

WhiteRabbit

It’s like the Ark of the Covenant Goonie. If you tried to gaze on the original source you’d be driven mad or blinded.

sorry guys, for some reason had “giant leap” in my head………..but that verse says “giant step”………..so0RrRy
that’s why i kept thinking of frogs

jimerson did you ever dig by the horses tail?
does anyone know?   twain did write “A Horse’s Tale”
still…not asian
thinking of the “
RUNNING
” north……………a jogging path?
also, i mentioned 34 and 43 street, but should have mentioned 3rd and 4th avenue.  i saw a big telephone pole on 4th and fulton

I may have a chance to buy a 1982 Japanese edition. How much are they worth?

Rviewer1

I may have a chance to buy a 1982 Japanese edition. How much are they worth?

The auction for the Japanese copy he is talking about is here:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/133023500963
No one really knows what they are worth. only 2 have been sold in the US that we know of. they sold for $1,400 for a pair.

Just buy the American version. Much better price right now. The Japanese one is going to be way high at the end of auction.
http://tinyurl.com/y3nqe96w
http://tinyurl.com/y2pmere9

Thanks guys. I have an original English 1982 edition. I was just trying to get a Japanese one to. What other languages were they written in. I want a different interpretation of the 3 high posts, Giant Pole,Giant Step and Stone Walls Door why we are at it.

Rviewer1

I want a different interpretation of the 3 high posts, Giant Pole,Giant Step and Stone Walls Door why we are at it.

There is a translation of the japanese hints section (which includes all of those) on 12treasures.com

Use the image as a map.
See the arms as the bridge
linking Oakland to San Francisco.
The roadway off the middle and through
the islands is referred to as the
Serpentine.
Also, Yerba Buena is known, used,
as the original Alcatraz.
http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe … 5201_6.pdf

Hi all, first time posting here but have been fascinated by the hunt since I heard about it a few years ago. Have been researching a bit, and was really trying to make a Golden Gate Park connection work, but stumbled upon something today that I think conclusively puts the treasure in the Fisherman’s Wharf / Ghirardelli Square area. While looking on google maps, I noticed for the first time that Lincoln Highway was showing up on North Point Street. I checked other places, and the Lincoln Highway does indeed run along North Point Street. The Lincoln silhouette clue now makes sense in this area, which is reinforced by the peculiar specificity of the reversed “G” and “h”, which I think also locates the search in the area of the Ghirardelli Factory. For me, this conclusively links Image 1 and Verse 7, because the air really does smell sweet around Ghirardelli Square, and I haven’t been able to come up with another explanation for the line (even flowerbeds, at their most fragrant, don’t really smell sweet unless planted with something extremely perfumey). thanks!

WhiteRabbit

“A scene where law defended” is also a pretty strange way to describe a hanging

I 100% and am glad you brought this up.
That said, “A scene where law defended” is also a pretty strange way to describe a tennis court.
At the least, the hanging description requires no metaphors nor wordplay, which makes it a slightly better match than any solution which does ( in my opinion). Also, I feel like Preiss’ choice of using “scene” rather than something less action-based like “place” implies there was actually something that played out at the location (a scene).

drunknerds

That said, “A scene where law defended” is also a pretty strange way to describe a tennis court.

Well, what I’d say is that it’s a playful and cryptic way to describe a tennis court. But it’s simply a baffling way to describe a hanging, and one with only the most tenuous connection with an eighth…(and no explanation for other references like “long palm”).
I still prefer this personally.

they use the term law defended…because the pirates had once previously ransacked the town, with blackbeard…so, they rallied themselves together, captured the pirates, and held a trial for them (well, some of them anyways)…so the law was used to defend the city from a second pillaging.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/13877445@N06/5025304350/

I just hope that Josh has time to take some pictures of St. Mary’s Square for us BEFORE his troubles with the law begin. Got my fingers crossed. And thanks again Josh. Have an excellent day! Adam

i got permission last time, the guy from the park was the one who actually dug the hole…

Unknown

Unknown:
BEFORE his troubles with the law begin

Josh has been to Houston, New Orleans, St. Augustine, Charleston, Roanoke, New York, Montreal, and San Francisco and to the best of our knowledge, has had no trouble with the law. Why would you expect that his upcoming trip to San Francisco would be any different?
No need to answer Adam, it’s a rhetorical question.

you cant even apply from canada…

So he’s been to 8 cities and had no trouble and no casques. If he’s a cool cat like he presents himself he’s likely on his last cool cat life. He should count on his luck being gone now. Unfortunate, given the nature of the trip. But maybe we’ll get some cool pictures of something. Have an excellent day!

Euhirudinea

Josh has been to Houston, New Orleans, St. Augustine, Charleston, Roanoke, New York, Montreal, and San Francisco and to the best of our knowledge, has had no trouble with the law. Why would you expect that his upcoming trip to San Francisco would be any different?
No need to answer Adam, it’s a rhetorical question.

not entirely true…seabass sent my name and photo to charleston pd who stopped me immediately upon entering wpg. also i got cops called on me three times in st aug (and got pulled over for walking round with a shovel)…lol…also i got a speeding ticket in nc, and i have to pay 65 bucks to legally drive there again…haha..

what shit are you on about? noone told me to stop digging? lol i didnt have to get a permit, cause the guy helped me out..i just asked him when i was walking through the park…we met the next day and he dug the spot till we hit the irrigation line…

oh yea, i got rolled TWICE in fucking montreal for weed (once for smoking, once for rolling completely legally lol)…fucking facists…they gave me a littering fine im not gonna pay…

it wont accept my phone number or address…

Euhirudinea

As methods go, this is about as dumb as it gets. Of course, most of my professional experience probing is for things that can, if not handled carefully, kill you. Or at the very least, seriously ruin your day. A probe has one function and that is to tell you that something is there, and approximately how deep down it is. If you want any more information than that, you usually have to dig…carefully.

I’m not sure why you are stating the obvious here.
Anyway, you can do this experiment for yourself. It will cost you about $5 and a few minutes of your time.

Didn’t mean to stir up all that shit-storm.
Good to know there are people out there “walking the walk” though.

Unknown

Unknown:
I’m not sure why you are stating the obvious here.

And I’m not sure why you keep asking questions that you should know the answer to. But just to be clear (and keep things civil) I think the idea of using a drill and whatever is attached to it is about as dumb an idea as there is. We already have enough problems with the various Park’s Departments. And that’s without some well intentioned searcher hitting an underground utility that they have no idea exists until they rupture it because they lack the necessary finesse. You can get all the information you need with a probe, and some patience. A drill will speed up the process, no doubt. But at what cost?

Euhirudinea

And I’m not sure why you keep asking questions that you should know the answer to. But just to be clear (and keep things civil) I think the idea of using a drill and whatever is attached to it is about as dumb an idea as there is. We already have enough problems with the various Park’s Departments. And that’s without some well intentioned searcher hitting an underground utility that they have no idea exists until they rupture it because they lack the necessary finesse. You can get all the information you need with a probe, and some patience. A drill will speed up the process, no doubt. But at what cost?

Let’s agree to disagree. You dig how you see fit.

Unknown

Unknown:
You dig how you see fit.

If it’s all the same to you GMan, I’ll continue to search for these things in a responsible manner, and advise any one else in on the hunt to do the same. The “how you see fit” crowd has caused nothing but problems.
Peace.

Unknown

Unknown:
Good to know there are people out there “walking the walk” though.

Yes it is. But I don’t think it’s too much to ask that those that do, do it responsibly. BP was able to put these things in the ground with a minimum of fuss and disruption, and we should aspire to find and remove them in the same way. After all, “It is not the intention of the Fair People to destroy the beauty of nature or Man through their challenge.”.

Euhirudinea

And I’m not sure why you keep asking questions that you should know the answer to. But just to be clear (and keep things civil) I think the idea of using a drill and whatever is attached to it is about as dumb an idea as there is. We already have enough problems with the various Park’s Departments. And that’s without some well intentioned searcher hitting an underground utility that they have no idea exists until they rupture it because they lack the necessary finesse. You can get all the information you need with a probe, and some patience. A drill will speed up the process, no doubt. But at what cost?

You really have to work to put a 3/4” bit through anything including a 6” plexiglass box. Oh right, not supposed to stating the obvious. As someone who works with power tools I’m surprised that you think even a complete Neanderthal could drill through a utility without knowing well beforehand.

Choice

How can you tell if you are hitting anything? If the dirt is so hard that you have to resort to a drill then it might be difficult to know if you are drilling through a clay pipe or hard clay dirt. PVC even softer.

I take a 1.5 foot paddle bit on an extension. Icut off the screw portion of the paddle bit and filed down the tips so its just a blunt paddle. That allows the bit to stop on anything hard, and you can rock the bit back and forth to see if what you have hit is smooth and flat.
I can take a picture later if I didnt describe it well enough.

How can one know the difference between drilling through a rock and a clay sewer pipe or PVC pipe or water pipe 3 feet deep? Call 811 to mark the lines for you!

Choice

How can one know the difference between drilling through a rock and a clay sewer pipe or PVC pipe or water pipe 3 feet deep? Call 811 to mark the lines for you!

I would stop if I hit any of the above?
If you can drill through any of those like butter, please send me the bit you’re using!

The threaded rod and power drill idea sounds like just what I was looking for to aerate some hardpack soil in my lawn without rototilling the grass away. The discriminating tastes of our chipmunk colony require that they burrow only where the ground is nice and soft.
Personally, I’d prefer not to probe because of potential damage. Shatter part of the plexiglas, and any ground pressure around it could collapse the thing. Is the plexi brittle after 35+ years in the ground? I’m not sure.
Also, I’m not sure that I’d be able to discriminate between a rock or a root, a buried something else, ora casque.

How can you tell if you are hitting anything? If the dirt is so hard that you have to resort to a drill then it might be difficult to know if you are drilling through a clay pipe or hard clay dirt. PVC even softer.

Even hard dirt will crumble easily with a drill. Dirt is only hard to a probe or something you’re trying to inject via blunt force. If you hit something you will know and you’d have to be extremely reckless to break through said thing. Honestly, because the probe requires force, I see that as more dangerous. Either way, if people really think they can break through 3/8 plexi with a spike, then I’d pay to see it. Old pipes are more likely to be damaged.

Someone should MacGyver a portable water probe/drill. All you need is a portable drill, water pump, jet nuzzle and a water backpack.

JoshCornell

you cant get permission in st aug, so might as well give up. (based on your logic)

What do you mean cant get permission to dig in St Augustine. I did not have any problems with permission. I currently have a carefully planned dig coming soon.

Just a quick question: Are you guys messaging in codes about all of this permission stuff? or, are you discussing Image 1? Just trying to keep up. Have a great day! Adam

you cant get permission in st aug, so might as well give up. (based on your logic)

maltedfalcon

No there is nothing in the verse. or the book or the rules, but if we look at chicago image there is the water tower, If you look at cleveland image there is the transit building…. if you look at SF image there is golden gate park…
Just trying to follow the previous examples…

Very good point. Both the Cleveland Terminal Tower & Chicago Water Tower were major city landmarks that led the reader to the correct city (Cleveland image rotated) along with the long/lat coordinates. However, neither is where the casque was found. The Golden Gate Park image here is the major city landmark for SF in the image (rotated). This is why I doubt the casque is in GGP, although I am continually drawn back. I guess using the Golden Gate Bridge as the major city landmark would have been too obvious. Having chosen the park as the city landmark and the casques discovered thus far having been found in parks, it is quite misleading.

Scrappy929

I guess using the Golden Gate Bridge as the major city landmark would have been too obvious. Having chosen the park as the city landmark and the casques discovered thus far having been found in parks, it is quite misleading.

when you think about construction of the puzzle. pick a location for the casque then BP had to go backwards from there to an icon
Easy in Chicago, right down Michigan.
a little tougher in Cleveland but once you get to Euclid a straight shot to the building.
SF is a bit weird as there are only two ways out of LOH, one gets lost in the houses at china beach … and then gets blocked by the presidio…
but the other one…
34th only goes to golden gate park….. if that is how the puzzles were designed, he did not have a choice for the iconic image
it had to be golden gate park.

maltedfalcon

when you think about construction of the puzzle. pick a location for the casque then BP had to go backwards from there to an icon
Easy in Chicago, right down Michigan.
a little tougher in Cleveland but once you get to Euclid a straight shot to the building.
SF is a bit weird as there are only two ways out of LOH, one gets lost in the houses at china beach … and then gets blocked by the presidio…
but the other one…
34th only goes to golden gate park….. if that is how the puzzles were designed, he did not have a choice for the iconic image
it had to be golden gate park.

I hadn’t previously considered working back to the iconic image from the casque locations. Really good insight. Thank you.

Yes, it’s good fun. My line of thinking was that this Twain’s attention was looking past to Shakespeares’s Garden although it’s hard to tell from photos. That would be a double Twain. I also found a Twain in the image.

Spiritr

once you understand the significant of that symbol, you’ll see the image in it’s true form. It should be your first
moment.
Then the theme and the patterns will all make sense and connect , even if you can’t see the map, the Verse will bring you there, so as long as you do it step by step, you don’t need a google map, you don’t need a wikipedia, all you need is a functional brain. There’s a way to pair the Verses with the Paintings without even knowing which is which, once you figured out the method, everything will be as easy as ABC and 123, you don’t have to be in SF to enjoy it, it’s a wheelchair treasure hunt. It’s supposed to be easy, this is not National Treasure, we don’t have to take out a 100 dollar bill with a bottle of water to see the 2:22. BP made everything “too Secret”, he overestimated his readers intelligence quotient.

Spiritr

Oops, did I just…..

Yes. You did.
You successfully proved, once again, that you’ve decided to be a tool for some unknown reason.
Here’s a verse for you to interpret:
The posting style
Of Tool, nothing to strive for
Oftentimes discounts
Logic and reason
Shall be misconstrued
Hint: Tool is a noun. Clearly.

Has anyone noticed the dragons claws make the letters C -O- and if you continue on that same line the roman numeral makes I – T – essentially spelling COIT.

Spiritr

speaking about Twain, he’s famous…….
it reads like this:
To~wing do yeba, (Twain speaks about), he’s famous……
that’s it.

Not to be a naysayer but if we subscribe to the information from the Japanese translation:
Is the male lion there famous?

FINALLY!
go on~ I wanna hear what else you see

MERLIN

Has anyone noticed the dragons claws make the letters C -O- and if you continue on that same line the roman numeral makes I – T – essentially spelling COIT.

I see how the claws could be a C – O.
And, liking at the Roman numerals that’s along the same line, I see the ‘I’. But, the ‘T’ is split at the bottom….not exactly a ‘T’.
Considering the upsidedown/backwards Yin Yang symbol….other symbols are also flipped….maybe?
That may not be an upside down Roman numeral IV…..maybe It’s an upside down, backwards VI.
With the claws, that makes it “COVI” if connecting the claws and the Roman numeral…which fits with nothing.
(Or, it is COIT…)
=]

Under magnification to the right of the girls head – to the right of the 38 you will see a post shaped rock with three evenly spaced colors embedded in it. Can you see it?

MERLIN

Under magnification to the right of the girls head – to the right of the 38 you will see a post shaped rock with three evenly spaced colors embedded in it. Can you see it?

I’m not near my book (or, various PDF / scans)…so, I see what you mean, but can neither confirm nor deny that the colors (dots) on the rock (post) weren’t scanning anomalies.

If you continue on that same line all the way to the right you will see Coit tower in the fog.

Mister EZ

I see what you mean, but can neither confirm nor deny that the colors (dots) on the rock (post) weren’t scanning anomalies.

For sure they are. Any coloured dots or wolves people see by blowing up the old scans, forget it.

If you look to the left of the girls head – to the left of the 37 can you see a round shape that looks like it is being held by long fingers?

WhiteRabbit

For sure they are. Any coloured dots or wolves people see by blowing up the old scans, forget it.

so after so many years, someone so new and of his second post he already point out the CORRECT location, and you just wanna forget it?

MERLIN

If you look to the left of the girls head – to the left of the 37 can you see a round shape that looks like it is being held by long fingers?

no, those are things you’ll see once you laid the image FLAT

That sounds like It’s referring to Mark Twain as famous. I was using the definition of a Twain which is defined as a couple or a pair.

Spiritr

no, those are things you’ll see once you laid the image FLAT

NO…..Look again……Please don’t judge me by my post count here – it is not a reflection of my time spent researching.

MERLIN

If you look to the left of the girls head – to the left of the 37 can you see a round shape that looks like it is being held by long fingers?

Yep…incidentally, just to illustrate the “coloured dot” principle, the old scan has a red dot on the right “finger” (above left), but it’s an artifact that isn’t visible in the book. If you compare it to one of Wicket’s recent scans (above right), you can see it’s not there.
(In general, Wicket’s scans are a handy cross-reference for this kind of thing; they’re available
here
.)
(…and, I do like the Coit tower, I just like to discourage people from looking at tiny coloured dots…)

We’re not looking for colored dots on the left….only the right. Can you see the ball shaped rock on the left?

Unknown

Unknown:
he already point out the CORRECT location

Well, that remains to be seen. By my count, there are four or five (could be more, it’s hard to tell sometimes) distinct solves for San Francisco at this very moment in various stages of discovery. All seem confident that at the very least, they are in the correct area, but of course that can’t be true since all four seem to be in different areas or parks. Which is to say, while none have to be correct, only one can be correct (unless there is more than one casque buried in Northern California).
So, the best of luck to you all. I hope you find what you are looking for.

Traditionally the Chinese lion pairs such as the ones we are talking about, are the guardians of gates and portals and that the male lion usually has his paw on a stone pearl.

Mister EZ

I see how the claws could be a C – O.
And, liking at the Roman numerals that’s along the same line, I see the ‘I’. But, the ‘T’ is split at the bottom….not exactly a ‘T’.
Considering the upsidedown/backwards Yin Yang symbol….other symbols are also flipped….maybe?
That may not be an upside down Roman numeral IV…..maybe It’s an upside down, backwards VI.
With the claws, that makes it “COVI” if connecting the claws and the Roman numeral…which fits with nothing.
(Or, it is COIT…)
=]

Remember this was painted by JJP. The guy who added a Windmill to the tower in image 5 that was solved. Images will be slightly altered or modified.

MERLIN

We’re not looking for colored dots on the left….only the right.

MERLIN

…you will see a post shaped rock with three evenly spaced colors embedded in it…

Unknown

Unknown:
Can you see the ball shaped rock on the left?

OK, but just for reference, there aren’t really any colored dots anywhere.
Dotty old scan left, new scan right; unfortunately the new scan doesn’t reveal good detail here and has plenty artifacts of its own, but in the book – no dots.
…towards the upper left of the pic in the previous post…?

just ignore me, I wasn’t fully awake….

WhiteRabbit

OK, but just for reference, there aren’t really any colored dots anywhere.
Dotty old scan left, new scan right; unfortunately the new scan doesn’t reveal good detail here and has plenty artifacts of its own, but in the book – no dots.
…towards the upper left of the pic in the previous post…?

Yes

The original paintings were done in color. When they were published some fine detail may have been lost. Maybe that’s why no one has been able to solve them. – just a thought.

Unknown

Unknown:
When they were published some fine detail may have been lost.

No doubt. That probably explains why so many people want to talk to JJP, and see the originals for themselves.

I am glad to see these conversations include the Asian Art Museum. Personally think the verse is depicting the person rather then a number, The word Twain represents 2 I don’t think you would use Twain’s as to represent the # 2, with it being plural. If the Asian Art Museum does play a part in the puzzle, could the image gives us a clue? Possibly the two A’s on the dress? Or do the two A’s stand for Arguello st? What I find interesting is that it appears that the two A’s are slightly different, maybe representing two different words? Our them is Asian immigrants ….

Goonie68

I am glad to see these conversations include the Asian Art Museum. Personally think the verse is depicting the person rather then a number, The word Twain represents 2 I don’t think you would use Twain’s as to represent the # 2, with it being plural. If the Asian Art Museum does play a part in the puzzle, could the image gives us a clue? Possibly the two A’s on the dress? Or do the two A’s stand for Arguello st? What I find interesting is that it appears that the two A’s are slightly different, maybe representing two different words? Our them is Asian immigrants ….

Wellll….there is a flipped (upside down and reversed) Yin Yang symbol on the right side of the dress…

TEST.
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/ori … 83/27a.png

Reposting of the Doughboy Statue / Image 1 rock comparison. Image seemed too large to be fully seen on iPad on original post.

Mister EZ

Wellll….there is a flipped (upside down and reversed) Yin Yang symbol on the right side of the dress…

Yes there is that to, the Chinese pavilion could also represent the Yin and Yang or the Buddha in the Japanese Garden could also represent the symbol.

I like the word play on Twain. I was thinking that a giant step might be a “Mark Twain” as in two fathoms or 12 feet.

MERLIN

If you look to the left of the girls head – to the left of the 37 can you see a round shape that looks like it is being held by long fingers?

Ah you mean the butt of El Cid’s horse, yes, what about it?

Can you see a small frog on top of the ball? You will be seeing it’s back.

MERLIN

Can you see a small frog on top of the ball? You will be seeing it’s back.

no I see a large Knight

MERLIN

Can you see a small frog on top of the ball? You will be seeing it’s back.

Do you mean this…?

WhiteRabbit

Do you mean this…?

The larger image just to the left of that.

possibly both of them

MERLIN

possibly both of them

That’s Babieca’s tail.

The Picture Path for SF.

This was I thought when it was at the seaman’s monument, but it wasn’t there.

https://i0.wp.com/travelphotodiscovery. … teps-9.jpg

once you understand the significant of that symbol, you’ll see the image in it’s true form. It should be your first
moment.
Then the theme and the patterns will all make sense and connect , even if you can’t see the map, the Verse will bring you there, so as long as you do it step by step, you don’t need a google map, you don’t need a wikipedia, all you need is a functional brain. There’s a way to pair the Verses with the Paintings without even knowing which is which, once you figured out the method, everything will be as easy as ABC and 123, you don’t have to be in SF to enjoy it, it’s a wheelchair treasure hunt. It’s supposed to be easy, this is not National Treasure, we don’t have to take out a 100 dollar bill with a bottle of water to see the 2:22. BP made everything “too Secret”, he overestimated his readers intelligence quotient.

Oops, did I just…..

That’s some intense research my friend…..very impressive

Nice work mf! I have some catching up to do with your work.
I had a take on the part on her forehead as well. In the image below, the red line is where the infamous double staircase is with the swirl on the end of the handrail. Closely aligns with the thin part in her hair.

Something I spotted awhile back.

maltedfalcon

Another possible LoH connection for the shape in her forehead…

Scrappy929

Another possible LoH connection for the shape in her forehead…

true ,there are tons, however none other than fort point and the golden gate,
fulfill the verse lines
Near ace is high
Running north, but first across
from the LOH you can see Highway 1 running north away from you but first running across the golden gate bridge
and we know things in the verses that you can see from the casque area are referenced in the image
ie Fence and Fixture too

I previously mentioned that I “walked” in Preiss’ shoes following the verses from beginning to the burial location. The purpose of this exercise was to get an idea of how far the verse might take us. This could establish some plausibility of a potential solve, if one were to have to walk a long distance or short. Both were short walking distances from beginning to end. Maybe something to keep in mind. Here are the images of the “walk.”

well I believe you have Cleveland totally wrong.
Because you avoid all the images in the garden. and also since we used the horsetail to get from East Dr to East Dr to get to the columns
it does’t make sense to use it again.
More likely the path goes from the columns through the garden past the fountains to the wall past the wall to the area you can view liberty drive and the steps
and there is the dig site.

maltedfalcon

well I believe you have Cleveland totally wrong.
Because you avoid all the images in the garden. and also since we used the horsetail to get from East Dr to East Dr to get to the columns
it does’t make sense to use it again.
More likely the path goes from the columns through the garden past the fountains to the wall past the wall to the area you can view liberty drive and the steps
and there is the dig site.

No quite sure I am totally wrong on this. I know there was some discussion as to the verse being out of order. I thought as we follow the bend in Parkgate Ave, we could see the back wall of the Italian Gardens and the image matches found there, no? Beneath two countries… As the road curves…?
Don’t want to get too far off topic. Like I said, it was just a simple exercise to see approximate walking distance from beginning to end, however you get there…

Unknown

Unknown:
true ,there are tons, however none other than fort point and the golden gate,
fulfill the verse lines
Near ace is high
Running north, but first across
from the LOH you can see Highway 1 running north away from you but first running across the golden gate bridge
and we know things in the verses that you can see from the casque area are referenced in the image
ie Fence and Fixture too

Absolutely true. There seems to be an an absurd amount of bell shapes that could match. I totally agree with the final location being in the image as I referenced here previously… fence & fixture / wall in Greek Cultural Garden. Both of these finds had physical image connections to the location.
Here was the added connection with the staircase leading up to Jackson St for the Chicago solve that I mentioned as well that would have been a background image captured from that point of view. The photo view below was from an article about the find with the red highlighted area being the approximate location of the casque as mentioned in the article.

Hey mf, have you ever took note or made mention of the very distinct shadow the stopwatch makes on the table while the rose & vines do not?

Scrappy929

Here was the added connection with the staircase leading up to Jackson St for the Chicago solve that I mentioned as well that would have been a background image captured from that point of view. The photo view below was from an article about the find with the red highlighted area being the approximate location of the casque as mentioned in the article.

I see it , I’ m not sure it matches, being in front of the fence. and the angle is close, maybe it matches better from a different view. but just one angle is like the swirl in SF, swirls are everywhere.
Is that a match? maybe, im just not sure about it, ie the fence and the fixture are dead on…

Scrappy929

Hey mf, have you ever took note or made mention of the very distinct shadow the stopwatch makes on the table while the rose & vines do not?

yes if you look under the watch, you will see what seems to be feet…. they actually are the center of the fountain
which was a round ring that held nozzles and lights. it was in the fountain in 81. So the shadow you see is not of the clock but of the ring in the fountain.

Unknown

Unknown:
yes if you look under the watch, you will see what seems to be feet…. they actually are the center of the fountain
which was a round ring that held nozzles and lights. it was in the fountain in 81. So the shadow you see is not of the clock but of the ring in the fountain.

Ok, cool. I figured you had, just wasn’t sure your thoughts on that. Thanks.

Hello all. I am new to the thread but have been researching these puzzles for quite some time. Nowhere near as long as some veterans here though. I live just north of Sacramento, about a 2-3 hr drive from San Francisco. I thought I would offer up some insight on some things I have discovered. This intro is a repeat of a post that I just wrote on the verse 7 thread. Just introducing myself here as well.
I’ve studied both the Chicago & Cleveland puzzles, verses and facts about the finds in order to gain as much insight into how those were solved and if any correlation between those two could be used to find others. One thing to I took special attention to, and has been mentioned here before, is that when the casque was buried (or maybe just before), a photo was taken at the burial site and that image was sent off to JJP. If you were to bury something and wanted to find it later, you would step back and take pictures of where you buried it while also capturing background images in order to recall at a later time.
Take a look at the Chicago image. From the burial site, you can see the fence and fixture that is in the image itself. In addition, you can also look across the busway and see the staircase that leads up to Jackson St. A small portion of the staircase can also be seen in the image. Preiss buries the casque, steps back several feet and captures the image of the burial location. In that picture, he would have also captured the fence and fixture and the staircase. In the Cleveland image, the same thing applies. After he buries the casque in the plot, he would have stepped back and captured the burial location which also includes the wall.
Going back to the conversation of Preiss’ daughters saying, “Where the treasure is buried, you can see all of the features that are in that illustration.” What is most likely meant is Preiss buries the casque, steps back and captures the image of the burial location. For both the Chicago & Cleveland illustrations, I broke down the clues in the illustration to what location they were referencing: state, city, or park. In addition, I took note if there was any rotation / reversing of the image and if they were in reference to the associated verse. For the Chicago puzzle, there was 1 state reference (image reversed), 5 city references, & 4 park references (2 referenced in the verse). For the Cleveland puzzle, there was 1 state reference, 5 city references (2 different image rotations), & 5 park references (3 referenced in verse with 1 image rotation).
What does all of this mean? It is known there are clues that lead you to which state, city, & park. All of the clues in the illustration are not going to be seen from the burial site, but the final location will be in the illustration. In addition, there will be clues in the illustration that would tell you that you are heading in the right direction.
I “walked” in Preiss’ shoes following the verses from beginning to the burial location. For the Chicago puzzle, I started at “Where M and B are set in stone” (Chicago Symphony Center) following the verse as if he were walking the path to the burial location. The distance was about 0.4 miles. For the Cleveland puzzle, I started at “Beneath two countries” again following the verse as if he were walking to the burial location. The distance was about 0.2 miles. For both, I could reference clues in the illustration that let me know I would have been on the right path. These are very short distances from where you start until where the casque is buried. This doesn’t necessarily mean that all solutions will follow in similarity, only shows a correlation between 2 solved puzzles.

Scrappy929

The photo view below was from an article about the find with the red highlighted area being the approximate location of the casque as mentioned in the article.

BTW the foto with the red spot is extremely out of date. the actual location is to the left of the red spot probably 10 or fifteen feet.

I’ve spent a considerable amount of time following the model I outlined above in trying to solve the San Francisco puzzle. I’ve been to Golden Gate Park numerous times recently, taking photos and exploring different ideas and different angles. I’ve also considered other areas of San Francisco as possible sites of interest but haven’t made a connection. If it holds true that the casque location can be seen in the image, then from what I have discovered so far, there are only 2 possible locations in Golden Gate Park.
The first possible location is the long double staircase that leads up to Stow Lake Drive from the back of the Japanese Tea Garden has a long metal hand rail. At the top of the staircase and on the end of the handrail, is the swirl that has been described on the image page that is similar in shape to what is on the bottom of the rose. There has also been mention of the casque being buried near or underneath the path that is at the top. However the path is covered with asphalt. There was mention that the park may have covered the path with asphalt to help bring the park up to code with the Americans With Disabilities Act. It is highly improbable that the park would have covered this path with asphalt at that time since the path seems a bit too steep to comply with the AWDA, not to mention the path, on both sides, leads to a staircase. To my knowledge, no one quite knows if this path was covered with asphalt at the time Preiss was visiting. The staircase at the top that leads to the path goes in two directions. Directly in front of the top of the staircase is a large tree that sits about 3-5 feet above the path ground level. This is where the tree roots are and there is mostly a man-made make shift concrete wall covering the roots. On either side of the staircase, there are a lot of trees as well. Digging around trees would seem not likely as you would encounter many tree roots.
The other location I have discovered can also be seen in the image (after reversing). However, when I “walk” the path from the verse to get there or at least in any current interpretation, it seems a bit of a reach at times.
Here is my walk… I mentioned most of it on the verse 7 thread.
1. At stone wall’s door
2. The air smells sweet
Starting at the wall in Shakespeare’s Garden, I walk a short distance to the Music Concourse
3. Not far away
4. High posts of three
Here I can turn and see Sutro tower.
5. Education and Justice
6. For all to see
Also from here, I can see the California Academy of Sciences and the statue of Sir Francis Scott Key
7. Sounds from the sky
8. Near ace is high
From here, I head towards Stow Lake and Strawberry Hill. To get there, I head up the long double staircase that leads up to Stow Lake Drive from the back of the Japanese Tea Garden that has a long metal hand rail with the swirl from the rose in the image. The could possibly be an image in the photo that lets me know I am heading in the right direction.
9. Running north but first across
I follow that staircase and path to Stow Lake Drive and that eventually leads me to JFK Dr (formerly North Drive). From there I go across JFK (North) Drive.
10. In jewel’s direction
11. Is an object of Twain’s attention
As previously mentioned in my verse 7 thread, In Jewel’s direction points me to a direction for which I will discover the treasure.
Here’s the reach… Right “across” “north” drive is the Doughboy Meadow next to the Redwood Grove. As for Twain’s attention, I am going to mention the object as Redwood trees (Sequoias & Redwoods are similar). I could also probably relate the Doughboy Statue as a war memorial to Twain somehow…
From:
https://www.monumentaltrees.com/en/trees/giantsequoia/history/
“A number of old growth trees were felled exactly to prove their existence (and to make money in the process). In 1891, for example, the “Mark Twain Tree” was felled. A slice of its trunk was sent to the American Museum of Natural History in New York, and another slice to the British Museum of Natural History in Kensington, London.”
I believe this Mark Twain tree was in Calaveras County, again… another Twain reference. Considering Preiss was from New York, maybe he knew of this piece of natural history. Another big reach…
Once I got to the Doughboy Meadow, I saw the Doughboy statue, flanked by 2 tall flagpoles. Here’s the kicker… the infamous aha moment. When I was following this train of thought, I happened to notice the statue, tucked quite a bit away from the walking path on JFK. The first thing I saw was the 2 large flagpoles. I was like, wait… giant pole!? I ventured over and when I first looked at the rock the statue was set on, I was like… hold on one freakin minute… I recognize that rock! I should as I have stared at image 1 for countless hours, as like many of you, and flipped that image every direction. If you flip (mirror the image) as is necessary to align the Gh correctly and to place the dragon head at the approximate location on the map with the Senior Center, the top rock in the image looks very similar as the rock the Doughboy statue sits on. The rectangular plaque also closely aligns with the window in the rock in the image, minus the bars. This statue has been in the park since 1930. However, I have yet to determine when the flagpoles would have been placed.
Yes… a lot of reaching here but some not so much. Just another possible solution amongst the many…
I attempted to lightly probe around the statue and just like most other similar places in Northern California, the probe only goes down about a foot before it becomes very difficult to push any further without a lot of force. I have tried a couple of different probes, even of different diameters, and both achieved about the same depth. I am not willing to force the probe down as I don’t want to hit an irrigation line. I figure if I wanted to really probe, I should have someone from the park there, aka permission, to steer me clear of irrigation lines. I know a few people here have dug at the park before. It seems to me if one were to dig, you would get about a foot down and then it would become increasingly difficult to go any further by using just a shovel. Preiss would have had this same difficulty using only a shovel. Doubtful it would be buried more than a foot or two in this park at the time. After years, possible it may be a little further down. I admit there are some areas in the park where the soil is much easier to probe. However, if you are going to probe or dig where grass is, good luck. Food for thought…

I’ve spent a considerable amount of time following the model I outlined above in trying to solve the San Francisco puzzle. I’ve been to Golden Gate Park numerous times recently, taking photos and exploring different ideas and different angles. I’ve also considered other areas of San Francisco as possible sites of interest but haven’t made a connection. If it holds true that the casque location can be seen in the image, then from what I have discovered so far, there are only 2 possible locations in Golden Gate Park.
The first possible location is the long double staircase that leads up to Stow Lake Drive from the back of the Japanese Tea Garden has a long metal hand rail. At the top of the staircase and on the end of the handrail, is the swirl that has been described on the image page that is similar in shape to what is on the bottom of the rose. There has also been mention of the casque being buried near or underneath the path that is at the top. However the path is covered with asphalt. There was mention that the park may have covered the path with asphalt to help bring the park up to code with the Americans With Disabilities Act. It is highly improbable that the park would have covered this path with asphalt at that time since the path seems a bit too steep to comply with the AWDA, not to mention the path, on both sides, leads to a staircase. To my knowledge, no one quite knows if this path was covered with asphalt at the time Preiss was visiting. The staircase at the top that leads to the path goes in two directions. Directly in front of the top of the staircase is a large tree that sits about 3-5 feet above the path ground level. This is where the tree roots are and there is mostly a man-made make shift concrete wall covering the roots. On either side of the staircase, there are a lot of trees as well. Digging around trees would seem not likely as you would encounter many tree roots.
The other location I have discovered can also be seen in the image (after reversing). However, when I “walk” the path from the verse to get there or at least in any current interpretation, it seems a bit of a reach at times.
Here is my walk… I mentioned most of it on the verse 7 thread.
1. At stone wall’s door
2. The air smells sweet
Starting at the wall in Shakespeare’s Garden, I walk a short distance to the Music Concourse
3. Not far away
4. High posts of three
Here I can turn and see Sutro tower.
5. Education and Justice
6. For all to see
Also from here, I can see the California Academy of Sciences and the statue of Sir Francis Scott Key
7. Sounds from the sky
8. Near ace is high
From here, I head towards Stow Lake and Strawberry Hill. To get there, I head up the long double staircase that leads up to Stow Lake Drive from the back of the Japanese Tea Garden that has a long metal hand rail with the swirl from the rose in the image. The could possibly be an image in the photo that lets me know I am heading in the right direction.
9. Running north but first across
I follow that staircase and path to Stow Lake Drive and that eventually leads me to JFK Dr (formerly North Drive). From there I go across JFK (North) Drive.
10. In jewel’s direction
11. Is an object of Twain’s attention
As previously mentioned in my verse 7 thread, In Jewel’s direction points me to a direction for which I will discover the treasure.
Here’s the reach… Right “across” “north” drive is the Doughboy Meadow next to the Redwood Grove. As for Twain’s attention, I am going to mention the object as Redwood trees (Sequoias & Redwoods are similar). I could also probably relate the Doughboy Statue as a war memorial to Twain somehow…
From:
https://www.monumentaltrees.com/en/trees/giantsequoia/history/
“A number of old growth trees were felled exactly to prove their existence (and to make money in the process). In 1891, for example, the “Mark Twain Tree” was felled. A slice of its trunk was sent to the American Museum of Natural History in New York, and another slice to the British Museum of Natural History in Kensington, London.”
I believe this Mark Twain tree was in Calaveras County, again… another Twain reference. Considering Preiss was from New York, maybe he knew of this piece of natural history. Another big reach…
Once I got to the Doughboy Meadow, I saw the Doughboy statue, flanked by 2 tall flagpoles. Here’s the kicker… the infamous aha moment. When I was following this train of thought, I happened to notice the statue, tucked quite a bit away from the walking path on JFK. The first thing I saw was the 2 large flagpoles. I was like, wait… giant pole!? I ventured over and when I first looked at the rock the statue was set on, I was like… hold on one freakin minute… I recognize that rock! I should as I have stared at image 1 for countless hours, as like many of you, and flipped that image every direction. If you flip (mirror the image) as is necessary to align the Gh correctly and to place the dragon head at the approximate location on the map with the
Senior
Center, the top rock in the image looks very similar as the rock the Doughboy statue sits on. The rectangular plaque also closely aligns with the window in the rock in the image, minus the bars. This statue has been in the park since 1930. However, I have yet to determine when the flagpoles would have been placed.
Yes… a lot of reaching here but some not so much. Just another possible solution amongst the many…
I attempted to lightly probe around the statue and just like most other similar places in Northern California, the probe only goes down about a foot before it becomes very difficult to push any further without a lot of force. I have tried a couple of different probes, even of different diameters, and both achieved about the same depth. I am not willing to force the probe down as I don’t want to hit an irrigation line. I figure if I wanted to really probe, I should have someone from the park there, aka permission, to steer me clear of irrigation lines. I know a few people here have dug at the park before. It seems to me if one were to dig, you would get about a foot down and then it would become increasingly difficult to go any further by using just a shovel. Preiss would have had this same difficulty using only a shovel. Doubtful it would be buried more than a foot or two in this park at the time. After years, possible it may be a little further down. I admit there are some areas in the park where the soil is much easier to probe. However, if you are going to probe or dig where grass is, good luck. Food for thought…

Unknown

Unknown:
the actual location is to the left of the red spot probably 10 or fifteen feet.

Which would have put them at the base of a tall tree. And yet, in every interview that I have ever seen, no one in the group ever mentions how hard it was to dig the hole for all the roots. Twenty feet away would have put them directly in line with the decorative fence post seen in the Image, and far enough away from the tree that the roots wouldn’t have been an issue. But if that’s where they were digging, you would think it would be easy to recreate the spot given the obvious landmark. I mean, it would have been in the picture Preiss sent them, right?

Another image of the Doughboy statue

Another “Giant” reach…
As far as stone wall’s door, most here know that there is a stone wall in the NE section of the park. It is not a very big wall, only about 3 feet high. If you start at the NE corner and start walking west along Fulton St, you will arrive at the entrance at Arguello Blvd. At this entrance, there are 2 very tall stone pillars with ornamentation on them. On this ornamentation, you will see the leafy petals that look very similar to the ones on the rose in the image.
If you continue from this entrance into the park, you will come to a path that is on the backside of the Conservatory of Flowers. On a clear day from this point, you can see “high posts of three.” The buildings that can also be seen by the “high posts of three”… University of San Francisco (Education). So you can kind of get started from the verse at these locations. It quickly goes nowhere from here. Having no reference to Justice at this point. For gee whiz, I kept walking the path and just on the opposite side of JFK drive (formerly North drive) are tennis courts… ace is high maybe?… meh. Not to mention, you can connect so many monuments and other things to Twain that you quickly lose any direction to where you might have thought.

I think we’re drifting off-topic and it begins to confuse me. San Francisco, please, not Chicago, or at least stick to the contents of Image 1 here. Talk of digging in the roots of a tree near a fence can be mentioned for comparison, but we’re losing focus (again).
I was about to post another version of my picture of the rock wall opposite the Cliff House, which would be off the map posted above by maltedfalcon. I can’t unsee the face in the hill, but it doesn’t fit with the clues.
As for the shadow of the stopwatch, I see the rose-vine-spiral thing located behind it on the table and thus it casts no shadow to match.

Euhirudinea

Which would have put them at the base of a tall tree. And yet, in every interview that I have ever seen, no one in the group ever mentions how hard it was to dig the hole for all the roots. Twenty feet away would have put them directly in line with the decorative fence post seen in the Image, and far enough away from the tree that the roots wouldn’t have been an issue. But if that’s where they were digging, you would think it would be easy to recreate the spot given the obvious landmark. I mean, it would have been in the picture Preiss sent them, right?

oh sorry I was watching the new video from the podcast guys where they had Rob Wrobel one of the chicago guys and he showed them exactly where it was.
90 degrees off the fence and 90 degrees off the fixture. and he explained where they had been digging and how they had got it wrong even with the picture.
and far enough away from the tree that, no, roots were not an issue at all.

Sorry Catherwood! back to image 1 stuff….
The white spheres at the top… Golfballs!

maltedfalcon

true ,there are tons, however none other than fort point and the golden gate,
fulfill the verse lines
Near ace is high
Running north, but first across
from the LOH you can see Highway 1 running north away from you but first running across the golden gate bridge
and we know things in the verses that you can see from the casque area are referenced in the image
ie Fence and Fixture too

Are you guys aware that the physical address of Coit Tower is #1 Telegraph Hil…..1 – Ace Baby!!!

MERLIN

Are you guys aware that the physical address of Coit Tower is #1 Telegraph Hil…..1 – Ace Baby!!!

if you could get to coit tower from Golden Gate park in the manner followed in Chicago or cleveland… I would say that’s a good idea. but nobody has been able to do that. so I’ve always been “ehhh” on the idea of coit. And to answer your question yes.

maltedfalcon

if you could get to coit tower from Golden Gate park in the manner followed in Chicago or cleveland… I would say that’s a good idea. but nobody has been able to do that. so I’ve always been “ehhh” on the idea of coit. And to answer your question yes.

You’re starting at the wrong “Stone Walls Door”.

Or maybe the Coit Tower is the starting point for the path…
There is nothing to say that the first lines of the verse must be the starting point.

Kalessin

Or maybe the Coit Tower is the starting point for the path…
There is nothing to say that the first lines of the verse must be the starting point.

No there is nothing in the verse. or the book or the rules, but if we look at chicago image there is the water tower, If you look at cleveland image there is the transit building…. if you look at SF image there is golden gate park…
Just trying to follow the previous examples…

6526
Thoughts?

She would look better as a blonde.

Scrappy929

6526
Thoughts?

bbi

Hi,
I’d like to just add to the turntable part. I’ve had several scans from 3 different original copies of the book. They all seem to have their own printing differences, but there is a faint arrow at the end of the rose stem curl. Which would lead one to interpret as an action such as “Turn”.
As the curl stem is sitting on top of the table with the cablecar below it could be used to concatenate the three images into “Cable Car” + “Turn” + “Table”. Likewise with the clock “Cable Car” + “Time” + “Table”
Heres a close up from the original scan used in the 2015 re-print. If you look at the end of the curl you should see a darker angle shape that forms the arrow.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1v5e6J … NmSTTYhvg0
Thanks,

Not sure if the link above is working. This is the image:

• A few blocks north of the Dragon’s gate is Broadway at Columbus. Look south and you have your Ace.
https://tinyurl.com/yawcru2q
• Verse will tell you where to go next; Running ‘north, but first across’, is practically the definition of diagonally. i.e. hypotenuse in a right-angle triangle.
• ‘In jewel’s direction’; the jewel was (is?) in NYC so jewel’s direction is east.
• ‘Is an object of Twain’s attention’; east is Telegraph hill, Mark Twain literally translates to 12 feet. Attention = standing straight. On Telegraph hill, statue of Columbus stands at 12’ tall.
• So another word substitution: Running diagonally is Columbus.
• Drive to the end of Columbus and you are at Fisherman’s Wharf.

Here are the clearer symbols from image 1 with their comparison.
Here is the bottom center symbol. Hand drawn should be of similar shape.

Scrappy929

Here are the clearer symbols from image 1 with their comparison.

Hi Scrappy929,
I’d like to help you out a little, I see the images for the icons you upload appear a little pixelated. Please feel free to grab this scan (below). Its one of 3 versions I have from 3 different original sources of the book. This particular one was taken from a mint condition copy of the book held at a place in Liverpool (I was over there recently on vacation and heard they had a copy of the book and I had them scan all the images for me). As you will see, and I have noticed, this one has a red blemish and other subtle differences in various places to other original scans. This may be due to print inconsistencies and even the paper it was printed on having some issue. But from what I’ve seen of original copies of the book, there are subtle differences within the actual printed book and not just bad scans. Anyway, hope the image below helps you clarify your icon matching

That looks like the one that I used. I have others that are worse. The pixelation is due to zooming in plus sharpening to remove blur. The bottom center symbol pixelation does really help to define the shape.
Thank you though!

bbi

What is the red spot on the right side of A?
Here is a better link to bbi’s pic:
https://i.imgur.com/0X7gEbd.jpg

bbi

Hi Scrappy929,
I’d like to help you out a little, I see the images for the icons you upload appear a little pixelated. Please feel free to grab this scan (below). Its one of 3 versions I have from 3 different original sources of the book. This particular one was taken from a mint condition copy of the book held at a place in Liverpool (I was over there recently on vacation and heard they had a copy of the book and I had them scan all the images for me). As you will see, and I have noticed, this one has a red blemish and other subtle differences in various places to other original scans. This may be due to print inconsistencies and even the paper it was printed on having some issue. But from what I’ve seen of original copies of the book, there are subtle differences within the actual printed book and not just bad scans. Anyway, hope the image below helps you clarify your icon matching
https://imgur.com/0X7gEbd

Choice

What is the red spot on the right side of A?
Thats what I was saying. Every original version of the image I’ve seen so far all have different blemishes here and there. That red spot, I have no idea. Could have been done during printing if the paper had some kind of substance on it or it could have been done after, but it didn’t bleach through to the other side of the page so it leads me to think it was during the print process. But to be honest I really don’t know. Thats why its quite a dangerous thing to do when people start zooming in too much into these scans etc. as each original book, each scan all reveal different things in the world of pareidolia

bbi

What is the red spot on the right side of A?
Sorry, I was excited to view the picture I didn’t completely read the text. I don’t see the importance of high resolution picture either unless you need to frame one for your man-cave. I find my post-card size picture printed from wiki site quite adequate. Even-though that picture also has some anomalies i.e. 2 red dots over the moons that could look like a couple of stars.

Well, might be important when you are trying to see tiny symbols. Difference between mine and the one he sent is a big difference when looking at the bottom center symbol. For most everything else, maybe not so much needed. Thanks again bbi.

Scrappy929

Well, might be important when you are trying to see tiny symbols. Difference between mine and the one he sent is a big difference when looking at the bottom center symbol. For most everything else, maybe not so much needed. Thanks again bbi.

Instead of trying to zoom in by high resolution scanner that digitally alters pixels to estimate and predict the best result according to the software coder, I print a standard resolution picture and zoom in with a X5 magnifying glass. You’d be amazed how well it would work. It’s similar to digital zoom vs optical zoom. Must have a good color laser printer. Ink jets smear and bleed pixels into each other.

Choice

• A few blocks north of the Dragon’s gate is Broadway at Columbus. Look south and you have your Ace.
https://tinyurl.com/yawcru2q
• Verse will tell you where to go next; Running ‘north, but first across’, is practically the definition of diagonally. i.e. hypotenuse in a right-angle triangle.
• ‘In jewel’s direction’; the jewel was (is?) in NYC so jewel’s direction is east.
• ‘Is an object of Twain’s attention’; east is Telegraph hill, Mark Twain literally translates to 12 feet. Attention = standing straight. On Telegraph hill, statue of Columbus stands at 12’ tall.
• So another word substitution: Running diagonally is Columbus.
• Drive to the end of Columbus and you are at Fisherman’s Wharf.

A few more references to Columbus and Telegraph Hill:
• Similar shoulder pads on Columbus, elf and woman. I see no other obvious reason for her robe to have protruding shoulder-pads.
• A line of parrots sitting on top of the tower, closest one peering inside. Reference to wild parrots of Telegraph Hill, often suggested as an alternative solve to sounds from sky.

Choice

A few more references to Columbus and Telegraph Hill:
• Similar shoulder pads on Columbus, elf and woman. I see no other obvious reason for her robe to have protruding shoulder-pads.
• A line of parrots sitting on top of the tower, closest one peering inside. Reference to wild parrots of Telegraph Hill, often suggested as an alternative solve to sounds from sky.

To me, that dome is the Hatch Shell in Boston, on the esplanade. Esp w the water and nordic rowers

Choice

• A line of parrots sitting on top of the tower, closest one peering inside. Reference to wild parrots of Telegraph Hill, often suggested as an alternative solve to sounds from the sky.

I’m having a hard time seeing any parrots there.
From the verse 7 thread:
If we take the Japanese translation hint to heart on this, and it is so specific I have a hard time not doing so, the sound from the sky is something that requires a device in order for human ears to hear (i.e. a radio). That doesn’t fit as well into the foghorn, loudpeaker, or bird theories.
You would also need a device for a telephone or telegraph but those are sounds from a wire, not sounds from the sky. A radio broadcast is literally a sound from the sky.

try going there around 5/6am, you’ll hear the parrots, just watch out for the coyotes, and after October, they will be gone, and will come back around May/June

Merlot Brougham

I’m having a hard time seeing any parrots there.

If you locate the beaks in the yellow dotted outline in the pic. the rest will fall in place.
My suggestion for sounds from sky is the Ghirardelli square clock tower chiming since time on the clock is 6 o’clock.

Goldengate

I really don’t think there’s a seasonal element to this treasure hunt. If someone came to look for the casque off-season, they’d just be out of luck because of a flock of birds and that just doesn’t seem to jive.
I love “Raiders of the Lost Arc” as much as the next schmuck, but speaking only for myself, I don’t think there’s a time-of-year / time-of-day sensitive “well of souls” element to this hunt.

the guy was saying he can’t see the parrots and I was just providing him with what I know, that’s all, no one said anything about the treasure being seasonal.

Spiritr

the guy was saying he can’t see the parrots and I was just providing him with what I know, that’s all, no one said anything about the treasure being seasonal.

I think he meant he can’t see it in the painting NOT in the Pioneer Park.

enough,

Spiritr

there’s no parrots in Pioneer Park, east of Napier Lane is the only place where they hang out.

They hang around between Filbert steps and Greenwich steps. Pioneer park is a natural habitat for them.

Choice

If you locate the beaks in the yellow dotted outline in the pic. the rest will fall in place.
My suggestion for sounds from sky is the Ghirardelli square clock tower chiming since time on the clock is 6 o’clock.

I see what you are calling “beaks” in the image. I am having a hard time interpreting them as such. Also, am I missing a visual in the image that supports that rock drawing as representing telegraph hill or is that juat supposition?
Also, the Japanese hint strongly .suggests the sound from the sky is going to be something a human needs a special device to hear with their ears. This seems to lead us away from fog horns, birds, clock towers and toward radio waves.

Choice

I think he meant he can’t see it in the painting NOT in the Pioneer Park.

Correct. I’m not doubting there are birds in every park in SF.
I am having a hard time visualizing that blobsquatch as parrot beaks based on my observations of image 1.

Merlot Brougham

I see what you are calling “beaks” in the image. I am having a hard time interpreting them as such. Also, am I missing a visual in the image that supports that rock drawing as representing telegraph hill or is that juat supposition?
Also, the Japanese hint strongly .suggests the sound from the sky is going to be something a human needs a special device to hear with their ears. This seems to lead us away from fog horns, birds, clock towers and toward radio waves.

Shoulder pads on her robe is a hint to Columbus statue that sits on T.H., also the tower that the ‘parrot’ sits on has the vertical stripes like Coit tower on T.H.
I wouldn’t put much weight on what comes out of Japanese version of the book. There’s a great chance of something getting lost in translation. Also they might’ve put a spin on the puzzles to attract local readers. I’m glad that reference to Godzilla didn’t appear. Come to think of it, that dragon thing …

TRUDAT!

Goldengate

I urge you to take a look at the real world solutions for the Chicago casque and the Cleveland casque vs the hints. BP was giving small, but verifiable hints for the Japanese audience that were not provided to the US readers.

I think it would be taking it too far to expect the searchers walk around town with some sort of listening device or Geiger-counter hunting snipe.

Choice

I think it would be taking it too far to expect the searchers walk around town with some sort of listening device or Geiger-counter hunting for snipe.

Snipe are radioactive?
Who knew….
(GG… I haven’t seen the translations for Chicago / Cleveland, yet…..will look later, time allowing. It’s gotta be good…)

Mister EZ

Snipe are radioactive?
Who knew….

If they are from Fukushima they are.

Goldengate

Yeah, I have zero idea what Choice is referring to there. Anyway… yeah, Burnstyle had all of the Japanese hints translated and put up a link to the recording yesterday. White Rabbit was awesome in transcribing them. I think it’s in the “Clues in the Book” thread. It’s eye opening… except for Boston key seekers — BP actually didn’t want to give out any hints because he feared anything he’d say would make it obvious!

I thought I was clear. I was responding to the suggestion that you need a special device to hear sounds from sky.