Choice

I think that refers to desert south only!

Ha! I know.

minor problem with your niantic theory is between 78 and 1999 it was not on public display.

I use the Christmas tree as a description of location to see if that’s the “observatory deck” you’re referring to, it’s there every Nov to Dec.

I
use the Christmas tree as a description
of
location to see if that’s the “observatory deck” you’re referring to, it’s there every Nov to Dec.

Spiritr

I use the Christmas tree as a description of location to see if that’s the “observatory deck” you’re referring to, it’s there every Nov to Dec.
still, it would be a triangular pointy tip

Why “still, it would be a triangular pointy tip”?

Spiritr

I
use the Christmas tree as a description
of
location to see if that’s the “observatory deck” you’re referring to, it’s there every Nov to Dec.
still, it would be a triangular pointy tip

Why “still, it would be a triangular pointy tip”?

this new phone doesn’t have 3d touch anymore and it became very hard to copy and paste, that was a mistake, i did a edit already.

this new phone doesn’t have 3d touch anymore and it became very hard to copy and paste, that was a mistake,
i
did a edit already.

Well that was a trip! I nearly got contact high.

Well that was a trip!
I
nearly got contact high.

maltedfalcon

I think it was a dead ringer (love that pun) when you found it , what 4-5 years ago?

I looked up file creation times for the photo clips I made: August 2016. Where did all that time go? The months just zip on by…

maltedfalcon

I
think it was a dead ringer (love that pun) when you found it , what 4-5 years ago?

I
looked up file creation times for the photo clips
I
made: August 2016. Where did all that time go? The months just zip on by…

It is on topic Tex, bless your heart!
BTW it was a no reserve auction.

Choice

It is on topic Tex, bless your heart!
BTW it was a no reserve auction.

How is related to Image 1? And I know what Bless your heart means.

I have too much time on my hand today!

I wonder if this lamp post was there at the podium in the late 70’s.
Nice view of the palace @ north (clock bell or rose or both!))

Spiritr

No, I have more than 3…
But who cares about the oversea edition, I want the original!
It’s a no reserves listing?

Can we move these conversations offline or via PMs? Let’s stay on topic please.

Spiritr

WHAT!!!!!!!??????
Can you pm me next time you see listing like this?
$344 only…. OMG!

But you got the Japanese version. 3 of them!
I offered the guy $30 when it was still $18. I think he laughed at me!

No, I have more than 3…
But who cares about the oversea edition, I want the original!
It’s a no reserves listing?

I’m taking back my statement about the robe not matching the proportions of GGP. When I overlay a map of the park, it’s a perfect fit. However, when you do this, her arms are not at Crossover Drive; they’re at Sunset Blvd. And the shape you’re matching with Stow Lake is actually where the Polo Field is. It’s the smaller “island” further down the robe that’s closer to the Stow Lake area.

treetops

I’m taking back my statement about the robe not matching the proportions of GGP. When I overlay a map of the park, it’s a perfect fit. However, when you do this, her arms are not at Crossover Drive; they’re at Sunset Blvd.

Right. Everything west of Crossover Drive (from Crossover to Great Highway) has been compressed down to almost nothing in the dress map. The dress is just showing us Crossover to Stanyan, so you should try to line up those two endpoints. The blue circle below the woman’s wrists will be Stow Lake. (See the graphic I posted earlier.)
If you go to the park and take pictures of the pavilion on Thursday, be sure to keep track of which pillar you are photographing. If my hunch is correct, the Chinese symbols for Education and Justice are going to appear somewhere, and we’ll need to keep track of where we need to be standing to keep them in view.

catherwood

I like the Falls. I like the spiral at the end of the handrail. My question is: where to dig? If one takes the “giant step(s)” to “the place”, is there something at the top or bottom of interest?

I’d say the “giant step” is the staircase to the top of the falls and the “giant pole” is the railing. If I were in San Francisco, I’d be poking around at the top of that handrail, directly under the spiral.

Image 1 – June – Pearl – Historic / Founded June 13, 1776. Fort built at Golden Gate – St. Francis of Assisi.

Oregonian

“Giant pole / Giant step / To the place / The casque is kept.”
Hmm…

I like the Falls. I like the spiral at the end of the handrail. My question is: where to dig? If one takes the “giant step(s)” to “the place”, is there something at the top or bottom of interest?

I’ve looked at Huntington Falls before, but I like your analysis, so I’ll likely head back there again, maybe this Thursday.
For the first time, I’m looking at that “map” of GGP on her robe, and wondering if the spacing of the characters along the edges is intended to indicate that the portion of the map above her folded arms has been compressed vertically, while the area below the arms is at a different scale. That would account for the fact that the proportions of the rectangular shape aren’t correct for GGP, which has always bugged me.
What is the source for your photo of the spiral end of the railing? My recollection is that the railing on that staircase has been a plain green pole for some time, though I don’t know when it was replaced.

I’ve looked at
Huntington
Falls before, but I like your analysis, so I’ll likely head back there again, maybe this Thursday.
For the first time, I’m looking at that “map” of GGP on her robe, and wondering if the spacing of the characters along the edges is intended to indicate that the portion of the map above her folded arms has been compressed vertically, while the area below the arms is at a different scale. That would account for the fact that the proportions of the rectangular shape aren’t correct for GGP, which has always bugged me.
What is the source for your photo of the spiral end of the railing? My recollection is that the railing on that staircase has been a plain green pole for some time, though I don’t know when it was replaced.

treetops

What is the source for your photo of the spiral end of the railing? My recollection is that the railing on that staircase has been a plain green pole for some time, though I don’t know when it was replaced.

The photo comes from
a user on Flickr
and was taken in 2010. I’ve tried contacting the photographer to get more information, but I haven’t received a response. If the spiral is still there, it shouldn’t be hard to find. It must be somewhere along that staircase up Huntington Falls.
Re: the dress. Yes, I’m sure that the crossed arms represent Crossover Drive (Highway 1) and the neckline represents Great Highway. The compression between the neckline and the arms essentially means “ignore this area.” (And that, of course, is the area where “Goddess of the Forest” once stood.) The layout of the dress leaves us looking at an area between Highway 1 and Stanyan Street. I assume that the symbols around the map represent various landmarks in those locations. Unfortunately, many of them may be logos of businesses that are long gone. But we still have plenty of evidence to narrow the search to Strawberry Hill and the Chinese Pavilion.
If you get over to the park this week, please PLEASE take very clear pictures of all the Chinese symbols on display at the pavilion. I’d be willing to bet a large box of Ghirardelli chocolates that a translation of one of the pillars will produce something along the lines of “Education and Justice / For all to see.”

treetops

What is the source for your photo of the spiral end of the railing? My recollection is that the railing on that staircase has been a plain green pole for some time, though I don’t know when it was replaced.

The photo comes from
a user on Flickr
and was taken in 2010. I’ve tried contacting the photographer to get more information, but I haven’t received a response. If the spiral is still there, it shouldn’t be hard to find. It must be somewhere along that staircase up
Huntington
Falls.
Re: the dress. Yes, I’m sure that the crossed arms represent Crossover Drive (Highway 1) and the neckline represents Great Highway. The compression between the neckline and the arms essentially means “ignore this area.” (And that, of course, is the area where “Goddess of the Forest” once stood.) The layout of the dress leaves us looking at an area between Highway 1 and Stanyan Street. I assume that the symbols around the map represent various landmarks in those locations. Unfortunately, many of them may be logos of businesses that are long gone. But we still have plenty of evidence to narrow the search to Strawberry Hill and the Chinese Pavilion.
If you get over to the park this week, please PLEASE take very clear pictures of all the Chinese symbols on display at the pavilion. I’d be willing to bet a large box of Ghirardelli chocolates that a translation of one of the pillars will produce something along the lines of “Education and Justice / For all to see.”

Oregonian

The photo comes from
a user on Flickr
and was taken in 2010. I’ve tried contacting the photographer to get more information, but I haven’t received a response. If the spiral is still there, it shouldn’t be hard to find. It must be somewhere along that staircase up Huntington Falls.

Just an FYI – the railing “flower” cap is on the short railing leading up to the Japanese Garden (as opposed to the long railing leading from Huntington Falls).

Oregonian

The photo comes from
a user on Flickr
and was taken in 2010. I’ve tried contacting the photographer to get more information, but I haven’t received a response. If the spiral is still there, it shouldn’t be hard to find. It must be somewhere along that staircase up
Huntington
Falls.

Just an FYI – the railing “flower” cap is on the short railing leading up to the Japanese Garden (as opposed to the long railing leading from
Huntington
Falls).

So if we suspect that the SF casque is in the Japanese Garden, and we have the Cleveland casque at the Greek Cultural Gardens, and Chicago was found behind Lincoln in the area of the Art institute gardens south off McCormick…
“Flanking the original Art Institute of Chicago Building are gardens in the north and south McCormick Courtyards” – Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_Park_(Chicago
)#Gardens
I see a pattern here….Just sayin…

I would say that BP’s first choice in an area was a cultural gardens, and then a park with some cultural references, or at least an area heavy with culture of the area (and image).
Otherwise, how about St. Augustine (FOY)? Or Charleston?
Maybe we should move this to the Methodology thread…

Glossiphoniidae

Just an FYI – the railing “flower” cap is on the short railing leading up to the Japanese Garden (as opposed to the long railing leading from Huntington Falls).

Good to know! I’d say the “area of interest” in Golden Gate Park is shrinking quickly to an oval enclosing these points:
the Garden of Shakespeare’s Flowers (“stone wall’s door”),
Spreckels Temple of Music (“the air smells sweet”),
the Japanese Garden (with the spiral railing), and
Strawberry Hill.
Of those, Spreckels Temple has the most obvious “giant pole” (a flagpole), but it’s a heavy traffic area where it would have been hard to dig. Strawberry Hill has the advantage of being less formal and less visited. It also has the Chinese Pavilion (for the cultural connection to the casque) and it has Huntington Falls (for the visual connection to the image).
Solving this one is probably going to require deciphering those symbols on the margin of the dress in Image 1.

Glossiphoniidae

Just an FYI – the railing “flower” cap is on the short railing leading up to the Japanese Garden (as opposed to the long railing leading from
Huntington
Falls).

Good to know! I’d say the “area of interest” in Golden Gate Park is shrinking quickly to an oval enclosing these points:
the Garden of Shakespeare’s Flowers (“stone wall’s door”),
Spreckels Temple of Music (“the air smells sweet”),
the Japanese Garden (with the spiral railing), and
Strawberry Hill.
Of those, Spreckels Temple has the most obvious “giant pole” (a flagpole), but it’s a heavy traffic area where it would have been hard to dig. Strawberry Hill has the advantage of being less formal and less visited. It also has the Chinese Pavilion (for the cultural connection to the casque) and it has
Huntington
Falls (for the visual connection to the image).
Solving this one is probably going to require deciphering those symbols on the margin of the dress in Image 1.

Oregonian

Good to know! I’d say the “area of interest” in Golden Gate Park is shrinking quickly to an oval enclosing these points:
the Garden of Shakespeare’s Flowers (“stone wall’s door”),
Spreckels Temple of Music (“the air smells sweet”),
the Japanese Garden (with the spiral railing), and
Strawberry Hill.
Of those, Spreckels Temple has the most obvious “giant pole” (a flagpole), but it’s a heavy traffic area where it would have been hard to dig. Strawberry Hill has the advantage of being less formal and less visited. It also has the Chinese Pavilion (for the cultural connection to the casque) and it has Huntington Falls (for the visual connection to the image).
Solving this one is probably going to require deciphering those symbols on the margin of the dress in Image 1.

Don’t forget Drake’s Cross

Oregonian

Good to know! I’d say the “area of interest” in Golden Gate Park is shrinking quickly to an oval enclosing these points:
the Garden of Shakespeare’s Flowers (“stone wall’s door”),
Spreckels Temple of Music (“the air smells sweet”),
the Japanese Garden (with the spiral railing), and
Strawberry Hill.
Of those, Spreckels Temple has the most obvious “giant pole” (a flagpole), but it’s a heavy traffic area where it would have been hard to dig. Strawberry Hill has the advantage of being less formal and less visited. It also has the Chinese Pavilion (for the cultural connection to the casque) and it has
Huntington
Falls (for the visual connection to the image).
Solving this one is probably going to require deciphering those symbols on the margin of the dress in Image 1.

Don’t forget Drake’s Cross

Glossiphoniidae

Don’t forget Drake’s Cross

It’s always a possibility, of course, but I wouldn’t personally include that location in my oval. I’m fairly confident that the casque is somewhere along a straight line running right through the park. It’s no further west than the top of Strawberry Hill and it’s no further east than the Shakespeare garden. It might not be right at the Chinese Pavilion, but it’s not very far away.
Can you tell us more precisely where that spiral railing is located? You said that it’s “on the short railing leading up to the Japanese Garden.” Is that at the crosswalk where Stow Lake Drive makes a hairpin curve, or is there another path up? That photo is tagged with “Taipei Pavilion,” “Stow Lake,” and “Strawberry Hill,” so it can’t be far away.

I believe that shorter staircase runs downhill from the NE corner of Stow Lake towards the Japanese Tea Garden’s exit. There is a fairly straight line connecting Tea Garden, staircase, and Huntington Falls. The Chinese Pavilion is a bit to the south of the falls. So yes, it’s at the hairpin turn you describe.

I believe that shorter staircase runs downhill from the NE corner of Stow Lake towards the Japanese Tea Garden’s exit. There is a fairly straight line connecting Tea Garden, staircase, and
Huntington
Falls. The Chinese Pavilion is a bit to the south of the falls. So yes, it’s at the hairpin turn you describe.

Out of respect for Goldengate.

I think the best ideas I’ve heard for the “moons” is someone mentioned Apollo 11 and it’s association with San Francisco.
Durian came up with a great idea when he noticed that “Ghirardelli” has 11 letters and of course the sign lights up at night making it a good solve for the moons.
My idea was a little simpler, the white globe lights all around Ghirardelli could represent the moons but I believe there are more than 11 in total. Notice how the light source in the Image cast a shadow at the bottom of the “white globes” just as it would during the daylight hours. I see this as BP tying Ghirardelli’s 11 letters of the sign to the globe lights in Ghirardelli Square. Also interesting is how the number “11” is actually in the name Ghirarde”11″i.

Mooncakes Bro….It’s all about the Mooncakes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mooncake

none
of
those images and illustrations were done by artist from Japan.
All the visuals in these books were provided by Byron Preiss Visual Publication, Inc.
according to the record
I
got from the UNI agency, clearly stated Futami can
Not
add or modify the materials provided.
All they have was exclusive rights on
text
translations, and the arrangements
of
copyrights Bantam granted to the Japanese publisher were limited to Dec 31st,1983.

none of those images and illustrations were done by artist from Japan.
All the visuals in these books were provided by Byron Preiss Visual Publication, Inc.
according to the record I got from the UNI agency, clearly stated Futami can
Not
add or modify the materials provided.
All they have was exclusive rights on
text
translations, and the arrangements of copyrights Bantam granted to the Japanese publisher were limited to Dec 31st,1983.

Spiritr

none
of
those images and illustrations were done by artist from Japan.
All the visuals in these books were provided by Byron Preiss Visual Publication, Inc.
according to the record
I
got from the UNI agency, clearly stated Futami can
Not
add or modify the materials provided.
All they have was exclusive rights on
text
translations, and the arrangements
of
copyrights Bantam granted to the Japanese publisher were limited to Dec 31st,1983.

Um….’Gwen Stefani’….but, you chose to focus on whether or not it was a ‘Japanese’ artist…?
lo…l…?

Spiritr

none of those images and illustrations were done by artist from Japan.
All the visuals in these books were provided by Byron Preiss Visual Publication, Inc.
according to the record I got from the UNI agency, clearly stated Futami can
Not
add or modify the materials provided.
All they have was exclusive rights on
text
translations, and the arrangements of copyrights Bantam granted to the Japanese publisher were limited to Dec 31st,1983.

Um….’Gwen Stefani’….but, you chose to focus on whether or not it was a ‘Japanese’ artist…?
lo…l…?

your’e kidding right?….it’s Marilyn Monroe.

MERLIN

your’e kidding right?….it’s Marilyn Monroe.

Naaaaah…..that’s Gwen.

Mister EZ

Naaaaah…..that’s Gwen.

ummm…
https://sc01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1GGuTRXXX … XFXXXY.jpg

no you don’t understand,
I
wanna joke along too…
but
I
can’t do it in this thread, Merlin and Choice were watching…
I
‘m trying to avoid being yell at by Merlin to answer questions again you know.

no you don’t understand, I wanna joke along too…
but I can’t do it in this thread, Merlin and Choice were watching…
I’m trying to avoid being yell at by Merlin to answer questions again you know.

Spiritr

no you don’t understand,
I
wanna joke along too…
but
I
can’t do it in this thread, Merlin and Choice were watching…
I
‘m trying to avoid being yell at by Merlin to answer questions again you know.

Start with curry chicken!!!
https://pics.me.me/wheres-that-gold-my- … 678449.png

Spiritr

no you don’t understand, I wanna joke along too…
but I can’t do it in this thread, Merlin and Choice were watching…
I’m trying to avoid being yell at by Merlin to answer questions again you know.

Start with curry chicken!!!
https://pics.me.me/wheres-that-gold-my- … 678449.png

Spiritr

no you don’t understand,
I
wanna joke along too…
but
I
can’t do it in this thread, Merlin and Choice were watching…
I
‘m trying to avoid being yell at by Merlin to answer questions again you know.

*sigh*
=[
Yeah,
I
hear ya…and, Choice will chastise me for not contributing to the efforts
of
slicing though the never ending spiderwebs you guys are walking into….
https://youtu.be/dC8rppRPMbc

Spiritr

no you don’t understand, I wanna joke along too…
but I can’t do it in this thread, Merlin and Choice were watching…
I’m trying to avoid being yell at by Merlin to answer questions again you know.

*sigh*
=[
Yeah, I hear ya…and, Choice will chastise me for not contributing to the efforts of slicing though the never ending spiderwebs you guys are walking into….
https://youtu.be/dC8rppRPMbc

****OFF TOPIC ALERT****
if Choice know you versing in his image thread…
he’ll flood this thread clean with gifs from Cartoon Network and Adult Swim…

Spiritr

****OFF TOPIC ALERT****
if Choice know you versing in his image thread…
he’ll flood this thread clean with gifs from Cartoon Network and Adult Swim…

Right, you are. Back on topic.
“Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar” – – Sigmund Freud
I
say the moons are just moons, added to enhance the artistry
of
the image.
Discuss.

Spiritr

****OFF TOPIC ALERT****
if Choice know you versing in his image thread…
he’ll flood this thread clean with gifs from Cartoon Network and Adult Swim…

Right, you are. Back on topic.
“Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar” – – Sigmund Freud
I say the moons are just moons, added to enhance the artistry of the image.
Discuss.

MERLIN

Hey guys…..not to change the subject – but
I
think there may be a hidden image/s in the shadowing on the left side
of
James Dean’s face….especially around eye/nose/chin area. Can you guys make anything out? Credit for images to Mariska…..
https://
i
.ebayimg.com/images/g/1ekAAOSw … -l1600.jpg

I
agree with Merlin, there are strange shadows and shapes in there.
I
keep seeing a ‘Is it a bird or is it a plane’ white shape on Lionel Richie’s cheek
And that’s a weird choice
of
shadow under James Dean’s lip
Maybe they’re subtle hints, maybe they’re not, but it can’t hurt to check it out, who knows what people find !

MERLIN

Hey guys…..not to change the subject – but I think there may be a hidden image/s in the shadowing on the left side of James Dean’s face….especially around eye/nose/chin area. Can you guys make anything out? Credit for images to Mariska…..
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/1ekAAOSw … -l1600.jpg

I agree with Merlin, there are strange shadows and shapes in there.
I keep seeing a ‘Is it a bird or is it a plane’ white shape on Lionel Richie’s cheek
And that’s a weird choice of shadow under James Dean’s lip
Maybe they’re subtle hints, maybe they’re not, but it can’t hurt to check it out, who knows what people find !

isabella duncan

Durian

Choice,
I
‘ve had so much fun going back and forth with you tonight,
I
‘m going to share two
of
the more obscure references from the walls
of
the Maritime Museum, beyond the five already identified. Ever wonder why the “JFK rock” has an eye? Or why the rocky outcrop on the left
of
the painting looks so different than the rest
of
the rocks? Bits and pieces
of
clues are all over the painting…

the top is pretty close to an image in the painting but its not in the location you have posted and it acts as a double reference,this being the weaker
of
the two, but still valid.

Durian

Choice, I’ve had so much fun going back and forth with you tonight, I’m going to share two of the more obscure references from the walls of the Maritime Museum, beyond the five already identified. Ever wonder why the “JFK rock” has an eye? Or why the rocky outcrop on the left of the painting looks so different than the rest of the rocks? Bits and pieces of clues are all over the painting…

the top is pretty close to an image in the painting but its not in the location you have posted and it acts as a double reference,this being the weaker of the two, but still valid.

Mister EZ

Right, you are. Back on topic.
“Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar” – – Sigmund Freud
I
say the moons are just moons, added to enhance the artistry
of
the image.
Discuss.

wrong.

Mister EZ

Right, you are. Back on topic.
“Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar” – – Sigmund Freud
I say the moons are just moons, added to enhance the artistry of the image.
Discuss.

wrong.

Durian

If you think the answer is two, you have to explain what the moons are, why Goat Hill would be of interest to anyone, where the images of Goat Hill are in the painting, why the “Gh” and everything else in the painting are reversed, and finally how all the rest of the clues applying to Aquatic Park are irrelevant.

I explained all these before in prior posts. Please read fully, don’t just scan through.
Moons are way markers related to the landmarks below them. The smaller the moon the further the landmark is to the dig site.
Reversed Gh also could mean the final destination is to the south-east of the Ghirardelli Square.
Notice the loops on top of the 2 I’s:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegraph … co#History
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&start=2611

the correct answer is :
MoOoOoOoOoOoN

Durian

I think they are metaphor. Eleven glowing objects high above your head. The individual letters of the Ghirardelli sign, hovering over your head as you work the puzzle along the San Francisco waterfront.

If the Gh are referring to the sign then why would we need 11 glowing moons to connect to the word Ghirardelli.? So you would need to work the puzzle at night?

JoshCornell

wrong.

right.
If you zoom into the moon that Choice numbered as ’10’, you can clearly see Lionel Ritchie. The rest of the Commodores can be found in the other moons. That points you to Joliet which then directs you to Motown/The Motor City.

Mister EZ

right.
If you zoom into the moon that Choice numbered as ’10’, you can clearly see Lionel Ritchie. The rest of the Commodores can be found in the other moons. That points you to Joliet which then directs you to Motown/The Motor City.

But Choice also said the clock is not a compass but if you use 3 as your South and turn then 6 will be North because a compass always points to North. But because it can be used as a sundial, it’s a clock.
So, I believe what Choice really meant was, when you zoom into the image, things start getting big to your eyes, and eventually you”ll only see “10” moons within your sigh, or we could simply pretend we only see “10” moons, because that’s probably what BP did….what you think?

also, if Choice said there are 10 moons, then there’s only 10 moons. That’s exactly what BP did perhaps, he only instructs JJP to draw 10 moons, but he accidently draw and painted 11.

I did explain that! Reversed Gh is reference to the sight being south of Ghirardelli square. As many things in this puzzle you should expect multiple meanings. i.e. the Lincoln rock formation could be an elf, Tiburon/Belvedere, a goat. Similarly Gh could refer to both Ghirardelli and Goat hill. Or even Greenwich/hill (Telegraph hill) intersection.
IMO your solution is too heavily reliant on a wall painting. That would be a lazy puzzle by the creator.

Spiritr

no you don’t understand, I wanna joke along too…
but I can’t do it in this thread, Merlin and Choice were watching…
I’m trying to avoid being yell at by Merlin to answer questions again you know.

Trained you well Padawan

Durian

… and that somewhere in the puzzle, we’ll be standing underneath the sign.

No, not somewhere in the puzzle. It must be the view from the final destination to be so predominant. It’s starting to sound like the solution to “sounds from the sky” being radio waves. It will be everywhere! That wouldn’t be a clue.

This is why the air smells sweet….
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mooncake

Mister EZ

“Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar” – – Sigmund Freud

I thought Bill Clinton said that.

Choice

For example moon #3 points to an structure with dome on top.
I ranked the moons by size.

Any ideas about the landmark with a dome on top with nip under moon 3?

Spiritr

also, if Choice said there are 10 moons, then there’s only 10 moons. That’s exactly what BP did perhaps, he only instructs JJP to draw 10 moons, but he accidently draw and painted 11.

What are you babbling about? 10 moons?

Nothing else is reversed. That’s the normal way of digits on a Roman numeral clock.
I explained that before too on the counter-clockwise running clock theory, similar to the round-about around Columbus statue.
Also checkout the following intersection sign.
https://tinyurl.com/ycr6zgln

I’m sorry Choice, it’s EZ’s fault, I didn’t pay much attention, because he mentioned you
and rule number 1 in this thread was: Choice always right. So I quoted his words instead of yours.
I’ll be careful next time.
Again, I like how moon #1 represent the woman’s right breast. The moon has something to do with woman’s menstrual cycle or something, right?
If you don’t point it out I’m pretty sure nobody can.
contribution…..

Characters are not reversed. It’s the way they are supposed to be for a normal clock. If they were mirrored like G and h then it wouldn’t make sense.
Counter clockwise running clock and yin yang show the direction of flow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2f-MZ2HRHQ

Bad grasshopper… Get back to the temple.

No, mirrored is not going to work. I wish you read my old posts. You make me work double!
If mirrored 6 and 7 would be 4 and gibberish!
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&start=2607

She’s pointing to 3,4 or 6,8.
7 is position of her hand (back of) indicated by Roman 7.

Hey guys…..not to change the subject – but I think there may be a hidden image/s in the shadowing on the left side of James Dean’s face….especially around eye/nose/chin area. Can you guys make anything out? Credit for images to Mariska…..
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/1ekAAOSw … -l1600.jpg

@Fenix, if you’re not getting any benefit from our brainstorming you can always remove yourself from the thread.

You “old timers” have been circle jerking eachother off for over a decade with nothing to show for except stains on your faces. Perhaps you should be open to new views and thoughts. So tired of you guys whining. Sooo unmanly!

I spent good part of my free time last weekend trying to figure the moons out and when I shared what I came up with I got nothing but sarcasm and ridicule. So I don’t think I’ll be wasting my time any longer with a bunch of contemptuous idiots.

MERLIN

Hey guys…..not to change the subject – but I think there may be a hidden image/s in the shadowing on the left side of James Dean’s face….especially around eye/nose/chin area. Can you guys make anything out? Credit for images to Mariska…..
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/1ekAAOSw … -l1600.jpg

Why did the Japanese artist put Gwen Stefani in that pic?

I’m going through a statue phase at the moment. Considering I1 V6, it seems a heck of a coincidence that we have a plaque for RLS, a plaque for Edwin, and a great big chinese statue all right next to each other.
The uneven paving of St Mary’s Square reminds me of the dragon scales.
And just check out that collar.
It’s adorned with Chinese hieroglyphics like the image. And his hands are like the mountains.
I appreciate that the image has a strong resonance with GGP, but maybe this is an area pointer like the Water Tower.
Of all the romance retold
Men of tales and tunes
Cruel and bold
Seen here
By eyes of old
RLS plaque.
Stand and listen to the birds
Hear the cool, clear song of water
Harken to the words:
Freedom at the birth of a century
Or May 1913
Edwin and Edwina named after him
Foundation of Equity at Edwin Booth’s place in NY.
Or on the eighth a scene
Where law defended
Between two arms extended
Below the bar that binds
(Due south of Alcatraz, just as the pearl in the pic is below the bars?)
Beside the long palm’s shadow
Near the statue
Embedded in the sand
Waits the Fair remuneration
White house close at hand.
Still a lot of unknowns here, but maybe worth a visit. It’s two blocks from Clay St., named after Henry Clay who had a hand in the Emancipation Proclamation.
Statue is Sun Yat Sen. (Note reference to suns in the Chinese section of the intro. I know people hate this intro but it does give us FOY so it can’t be all bad.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Yat-sen
Sculptor is Benny Bufano.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benny_Bufano

Hello, I’m new so don’t flame me if I say something out of line. Based on the symbols it seems like Shakespeare’s garden is a good start. Once you enter the garden Running north but first across is a sundial on a pedestal . It looks like the pedestal in the picture. On top of the pedestal the quote is “count only the sunny days “. I was thinking after 6 it would be dark so it kinda matches the painting.
There is a stone gate in Shakespeare garden. There are 6 panels on the sides of the door in the middle of the stone wall. Behind the door is a statue of Shakespeare. You need permission to open it. It would be Twains attention since twain wrote. “Is Shakespeare really dead ?” Roman numerals represent the chapters in Twains autobiography. Big roses bloom here.
There’s also a spiral on the bench in Shakespeare park. Dedicated to Alice. She was a botanist in SF. Actually a few symbols on that bench.
I think the posts is sutro tower.
There’s also a silhouette of McKinley on the mountain in the picture. He’s located at the end of the panhandle of GGP though. Plus it looks like Alcatraz bars in the picture.
I know the Japanese flower garden is close to Shakespeare garden. It’ seems to be a place of interest. The dragon is a Chinese dragon. The dragon will have a pearl over its head like the picture. It’s also a strong yin/yang symbol as it represents the Dragon and Phoenix. The woman in the picture may be the Chinese moon goddess. Might explain the moon? Beautiful roses as well in the Japanese tea garden.
Rainbow falls is interesting. There’s the giant prayer book cross at the top. Orbs are said to be seen here. The moons in the painting? A column landmark is on the bottom of the falls.
Strawberry hill is in the area to. It’s in the middle of stow lake. A roman bridge connects you to the island. The path spirals around the mountain to the top where you see beautiful views of GGP.
A Chinese pavilion is located here. Also ruins of an old observatory was on top strawberry hill. I still smells a bit like sweet strawberries.
So many landmarks… It’s hard to narrow down. If this info has already been posted, I’m sorry. Still getting use to navigating the site

Another interpretation
of
the left sleeve blocks:
She’s pointing to the seventh set
of
blocks from bottom. The starting point being Dragon’s Gate.
Back
of
her hand reads 7 Roman numeral from her POV.
Andrew Jackson, 7th president.
https://tinyurl.com/yar9bjzt

Another interpretation of the left sleeve blocks:
She’s pointing to the seventh set of blocks from bottom. The starting point being Dragon’s Gate.
Back of her hand reads 7 Roman numeral from her POV.
Andrew Jackson, 7th president.
https://tinyurl.com/yar9bjzt

Yes Gman is correct in his assessment that only when a casque is pulled out
of
the ground, then the theory becomes a solve, until that happens it’s good to see ideas and theory’s being discussed.
I
would like to see more connections to the clues, like GG posted, how does this clue lead into the next clue with the verse walking you to each destination, with image. KEEP up the good work!!!

Yes Gman is correct in his assessment that only when a casque is pulled out of the ground, then the theory becomes a solve, until that happens it’s good to see ideas and theory’s being discussed. I would like to see more connections to the clues, like GG posted, how does this clue lead into the next clue with the verse walking you to each destination, with image. KEEP up the good work!!!

Another way
of
looking at the fingers pointing is to bring the two spots pointed together. Again this brings me to Columbus tower.
Simplest way to interpret “Running north, but first across In jewel’s direction Is an object
Of
Twain’s attention”
• Running north, but 1st across: Describing a road Running diagonally
• In jewel’s direction Is an object
Of
Twain’s attention: Giving you the name
of
the road
• In jewel’s direction: NYC, east
• Is an object
Of
Twain’s attention: Twain’s attention is often considered as Twain’s interest. That makes it too vague and unsolvable.
I
believe Twain’s attention is two separate items. Twain being uppercase is a name and “‘s” indicates something that belongs to Twain (possessive). Simplest thing
I
can come up with that belongs to Twain is “Mark”. So Twain’s attention becomes mark twain attention. Attention=standing straight, mark twain= two fathoms (12 feet). To east is statue
of
Columbus standing 12 feet tall.
• Put it all together and you get “Running diagonally is Columbus”
We need to go up Columbus Ave.

Another way of looking at the fingers pointing is to bring the two spots pointed together. Again this brings me to Columbus tower.
Simplest way to interpret “Running north, but first across In jewel’s direction Is an object Of Twain’s attention”
• Running north, but 1st across: Describing a road Running diagonally
• In jewel’s direction Is an object Of Twain’s attention: Giving you the name of the road
• In jewel’s direction: NYC, east
• Is an object Of Twain’s attention: Twain’s attention is often considered as Twain’s interest. That makes it too vague and unsolvable. I believe Twain’s attention is two separate items. Twain being uppercase is a name and “‘s” indicates something that belongs to Twain (possessive). Simplest thing I can come up with that belongs to Twain is “Mark”. So Twain’s attention becomes mark twain attention. Attention=standing straight, mark twain= two fathoms (12 feet). To east is statue of Columbus standing 12 feet tall.
• Put it all together and you get “Running diagonally is Columbus”
We need to go up Columbus Ave.

Taking a look at what we know now, via image and verse and applying it to other puzzles. Let’s talk about Chicago for a minute….What we see in the image should represent something in the area the verse brings you too. Take the statute in the Chicago image, it has a set
of
wings attached to it, the wings can be seen as brushes, brushes are connected to paintings (art) the statue is within the Art institute across the street from the casque location. The word brush is in the image and the verse and tying it to a location.
Now let’s take the SF image, The word Justices can represent Jail, in the image we have a window with bars, this could be a clue to Jail, which can be connected to Alcatraz.
iron man 1 sex scene
It seems that some
of
the images or objects in the image have a couple
of
degrees
of
meaning, so being straight forward is not necessary true in the sense you have to use a connection to image and verse in some cases.
Brush = art = Art Institute
Justices = Jail = Alcatraz
So fingers pointing to…..? 43 1/2 could be a nod to “for all to see” tour boats left from this dock ( seeing all
of
the bay) , fingers representing a number, which represents a place and the line “for all to see”
Now this is just an opinion and for what it’s worth, who knows LOL?????

Taking a look at what we know now, via image and verse and applying it to other puzzles. Let’s talk about Chicago for a minute….What we see in the image should represent something in the area the verse brings you too. Take the statute in the Chicago image, it has a set of wings attached to it, the wings can be seen as brushes, brushes are connected to paintings (art) the statue is within the Art institute across the street from the casque location. The word brush is in the image and the verse and tying it to a location.
Now let’s take the SF image, The word Justices can represent Jail, in the image we have a window with bars, this could be a clue to Jail, which can be connected to Alcatraz.
iron man 1 sex scene
It seems that some of the images or objects in the image have a couple of degrees of meaning, so being straight forward is not necessary true in the sense you have to use a connection to image and verse in some cases.
Brush = art = Art Institute
Justices = Jail = Alcatraz
So fingers pointing to…..? 43 1/2 could be a nod to “for all to see” tour boats left from this dock ( seeing all of the bay) , fingers representing a number, which represents a place and the line “for all to see”
Now this is just an opinion and for what it’s worth, who knows LOL?????

Goonie68

Yes Gman is correct in his assessment that only when a casque is pulled out
of
the ground, then the theory becomes a solve, until that happens it’s good to see ideas and theory’s being discussed.
I
would like to see more connections to the clues, like GG posted, how does this clue lead into the next clue with the verse walking you to each destination, with image. KEEP up the good work!!!

I
can see this, but to me his statement means there are just so many ways to interpret a finger pointing to the middle
of
two blocks and… another finger pointing to the middle
of
two blocks… that there is no way to determine which
of
the million ways to interpret this is correct, until we know where it is.
If you lay a map
of
GGP over the dress, her right hand is pointing exactly at the senior center. My theory, equally remotely likely because
I
could pick like 20 GGP places and figure out a plausible relationship between that place and her hands in relation to a random set
of
squares.
Dude had a degree in communications. Understanding his puzzle communications shouldn’t be so hard, wtf happened?

Goonie68

Yes Gman is correct in his assessment that only when a casque is pulled out of the ground, then the theory becomes a solve, until that happens it’s good to see ideas and theory’s being discussed. I would like to see more connections to the clues, like GG posted, how does this clue lead into the next clue with the verse walking you to each destination, with image. KEEP up the good work!!!

I can see this, but to me his statement means there are just so many ways to interpret a finger pointing to the middle of two blocks and… another finger pointing to the middle of two blocks… that there is no way to determine which of the million ways to interpret this is correct, until we know where it is.
If you lay a map of GGP over the dress, her right hand is pointing exactly at the senior center. My theory, equally remotely likely because I could pick like 20 GGP places and figure out a plausible relationship between that place and her hands in relation to a random set of squares.
Dude had a degree in communications. Understanding his puzzle communications shouldn’t be so hard, wtf happened?

My two cents is that the puzzles are constructed so we don’t have to solve every single clue to find the casque. 8 out
of
10 ain’t bad.

My two cents is that the puzzles are constructed so we don’t have to solve every single clue to find the casque. 8 out of 10 ain’t bad.

Durian

Hi Goonie. Here’s another possible image match for Ghirardelli, since you believe it is the start of the puzzle. First, I noticed her left eye (our right) is treated differently than her right, with extra detail added:
Then I noticed the similarities in form and color to the ribbon edging found all around the entrances to Ghirardelli square:

Well, that’s interesting…

Choice

Another interpretation of the left sleeve blocks:
She’s pointing to the seventh set of blocks from bottom. The starting point being Dragon’s Gate.
Back of her hand reads 7 Roman numeral from her POV.
Andrew Jackson, 7th president.
https://tinyurl.com/yar9bjzt

BTW, that is a spectacular photo. I’m a fan of the Transamerica Pyramid. Just not as a final point. I think it was a major attraction in SF since it was completed in 1972, but the more important building was the one it replaced, Montgomery Block.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montgomery_Block

Durian

Hi Goonie. Here’s another possible image match for Ghirardelli, since you believe it is the start of the puzzle. First, I noticed her left eye (our right) is treated differently than her right, with extra detail added:
Then I noticed the similarities in form and color to the ribbon edging found all around the entrances to Ghirardelli square:

Looks very close to the columns.

gManTexas

BTW, that is a spectacular photo. I’m a fan of the Transamerica Pyramid. Just not as a final point. I think it was a major attraction in SF since it was completed in 1972, but the more important building was the one it replaced, Montgomery Block.

Another place that was replaced is “Justice”
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&start=3345

Durian

FWIW, I would agree with Goonie that the image and verses work hand-in-hand to tie you to specific locations as you move physically through the puzzle. I think the verses lead you from point-to-point, and things in the image confirm you are moving in the proper direction through physical space while solving the puzzle. This seems to work in the SF puzzle, and Chicago as well.

FWIW, the verses serve two purposes. Intentionally vague, because they walk you through various sights in the city of choice so you can see things and collect clues, then when you are at the dig spot, to show you the location.
Everyone, please stop using Cleveland and Chicago as examples for all of the puzzles. Think deeper.

Durian, I appreciate the work you are doing. The question I would pose to the community at large is: Can you get to the casque location through the image alone? If your answer is no, then why does everyone spend so much time dissecting the images? They are a guide, a rough map, a geolocation.
Now, if someone told you the casque is in xxx park, what would you use? The verse of course. Let’s frame this with the simplistic Chicago and Cleveland puzzles. The verses tell you where to go. Not the images.
Can we stop getting hung up on this rock, that feature, in the images please?

I am (as most of us) sold that this image is some where
in San Francisco.
Also, as a nod to Andy, I will repeat the mantra that
the placement of the jewel in the image is paramont
in determining the exact digging spot for the casque.
(from general clues to the specfic location orientation)
An observation that I have been going on with this
image – the arms represent a bridge (crossing)
So either the Golden Gate or the Bay Bridge.
The jewel is situated at the middle of the ‘crossing’
What is the view of Alcatraz from Angel Island.
(This would be helpful detrmining if an island could be
the site as opposed to a main land location)

ac3100

Forest Blight – Yes, that is what I am seeing.  I think the similarities from the artwork to the monument are too close to be a coincidence.  The shoulder and arm outline is not the same on either side, but I think the fact that they are not uniform, like the monument, is what is important here.  It does appear that the left arm/shoulder matches better on the left side of the monument than right.

I would say that in the above picture, the outline of the monument appears to be a mirror image of the silhouette of the shoulders.  I think it’s actually a good match.  Nice work!

Welcome ac3100! I’m still favoring Coit Tower for this one, but does this match what you’re saying?
It would be helpful to discover when this monument was erected. Online searches suggest that it is called the “Chinese Immigrants Memorial,” if that helps. I could find no reference to its origin.

Forest Blight – Yes, that is what I am seeing.  I think the similarities from the artwork to the monument are too close to be a coincidence.  The shoulder and arm outline is not the same on either side, but I think the fact that they are not uniform, like the monument, is what is important here.  It does appear that the left arm/shoulder matches better on the left side of the monument than right.
As far as the timing goes, I researched this during my discovery phase a few months back.  This is the general story about how the monument got there:
“How do I get to Angel Island? What will I see there?
Our section Island Information has information on how to visit Angel Island Immigration Station as well as other information about the Island (ferries, campsites, tours, etc). To visit the Station, visitors will need to take a ferry from either Tiburon, San Francisco, or Oakland/Alameda to Angel Island, and then walk about a mile to the station. The Immigration Station site has a few remaining buildings: a power plant, hospital, pump house, mule barn, and barracks (which contain the poetry). The barracks houses a museum and is the only building open to the public by guided tour. A mess hall and two other barracks remain from when the site was used as a World War II prisoner of war processing center. The site also has restrooms, a drinking fountain, a historic fog warning bell once on the wharf’s pier, and
a monument donated in 1979 by Victor Bergeron, owner of Trader Vic’s restaurant in San Francisco
.”
This is from:
http://www.aiisf.org/faqs
So the date fits and since it was somewhat new at the time of the writing of the book and was probably a “good fit” and/or too hard to ignore for the author.  I understand that he had a freind or relative in the area and probably tipped him off of this.
As far as Coit Tower goes, It is an important part of this puzzle, but I don’t beleive that it is the area of interest.  I will explain later..

Forest Blight – Yes, that is what I am seeing.  I think the similarities from the artwork to the monument are too close to be a coincidence.  The shoulder and arm outline is not the same on either side, but I think the fact that they are not uniform, like the monument, is what is important here.  It does appear that the left arm/shoulder matches better on the left side of the monument than right.
As far as the timing goes, I researched this during my discovery phase a few months back.  This is the general story about how the monument got there:
“How do I get to Angel Island? What will I see there?
Our section Island Information has information on how to visit Angel Island Immigration Station as well as other information about the Island (ferries, campsites, tours, etc). To visit the Station, visitors will need to take a ferry from either Tiburon, San Francisco, or Oakland/Alameda to Angel Island, and then walk about a mile to the station. The Immigration Station site has a few remaining buildings: a power plant, hospital, pump house, mule barn, and barracks (which contain the poetry). The barracks houses a museum and is the only building open to the public by guided tour. A mess hall and two other barracks remain from when the site was used as a World War II prisoner of war processing center. The site also has restrooms, a drinking fountain, a historic fog warning bell once on the wharf’s
pier
, and
a monument donated in 1979 by Victor Bergeron, owner of Trader Vic’s restaurant in San Francisco
.”
This is from:
http://www.aiisf.org/faqs
So the date fits and since it was somewhat new at the time of the writing of the book and was probably a “good fit” and/or too hard to ignore for the author.  I understand that he had a freind or relative in the area and probably tipped him off of this.
As far as Coit Tower goes, It is an important part of this puzzle, but I don’t beleive that it is the area of interest.  I will explain later..

Fox,
You can see the the Ghirardelli sign backwards from North Point St.
as you are walking down Larkin St.
(That is where I “took the picture” a few posts back from here.)
AP

Go to 2988 Larkin St., and look northwest and up.  The Gh is most definitely backwards.

I have found a positive link between this area (Gh Sqaure/Aquatic Park) and verse 6,
which I have believed to be SF.
http://soccer.org/NR/rdonlyres/BA4558DA … ctions.pdf
The USS Potomac (historic National Attraction) is called
FDR’s ” Floating White House”

Ok, I cant seem to get the printscreen to work for me either.  I can get it printed and pasted and copied but I cant get the final into the reply here… so…
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&um=1& … 1&ct=image
Use this link to an address right across Beach St from the Aquatic center and just down the street from the ‘Poles’ .   Click on Street View and then click on the map street next to the orange icon…this will bring you down to the street.  The street address will be displayed in upper left corner of window.  Go to 868 Beach St where you will see 2 of the ‘moon’ lamps that AP found.  Yes, they appear to be all up and down the street.  Once at 868 Beach St, pan south and up slightly and you will see a portion of the Ghirardelli Sq sign between the 2 lamps.  One problem I see is that the Gh, from this angle, is forward.  Is there another park on the other side of the sign so that our Gh is reversed?  Just a thought.
And, if you continue east a little bit down the street, you will come to those odd ‘Poles’ which look less and less like a Pole from street level as Falcon stated.  hmmmm

unfortunately during the 80s the uss potomac was in drydock in sausilito and then towed to treasure island where it sank, it was restored and not moved to sf until about 1995

its in oakland now, isnt it?

maltedfalcon

its in oakland now, isnt it?

So it would have been at Treasure Island at the time BP was burying the casques.
(just like the literary reference from the first line)
World War II Changes Use of the Potomac
On Monday, August 4, 1941, four months before Japan’s attack on Pearl Harbor, FDR boarded the USS Potomac ostensibly for a fishing trip and a visit to Martha’s Vineyard. The President, however, was secretly transferred to the heavy cruiser USS Augusta on Tuesday morning the 5th to travel to Newfoundland where he would meet with British Prime Minister Winston Churchill – their first meeting as Heads of State. During this top-secret rendezvous, the two world leaders forged the principles of the Atlantic Charter, which formed the Allied partnership during World War II and what Roosevelt called the “United Nations”, to plan the post-war peace. With the United States’ direct involvement in the war at the end of 1941, the president’s recreational use of the USS Potomac came to an end.
After FDR’s death in April 1945, the Potomac began a long and ignominious decline from her former role in world affairs. After many adventures and many owners – including Elvis Presley at one point – she was seized in 1980 in San Francisco by U.S. Customs for her role as a front for drug smugglers. Towed to Treasure Island, the proud vessel’s hull was pierced one night and she sank.
The USS Potomac Resurfaces – Back to Her Old Glory
Refloated by the Navy two weeks later, she was sold to the Port of Oakland for just $15,000. The Port of Oakland spearheaded a cooperative effort with organized labor, maritime corporations and dedicated volunteers to complete a $5 million restoration.
Opened to the public in 1995, the Association for the Preservation of the Presidential Yacht Potomac now operates this National Historic Landmark as an active memorial to Franklin Delano Roosevelt and the momentous times through which he led our nation.

You are absolutely correct.
TI and a white house…

I don’t get how you are saying one finger points at 3 blocks and the other points at 4, but…..
If you invert the picture, the symbols on the collar bones could represent 34 and 40.  There is your 34, but then what is the 40?

I
don’t get how you are saying one finger points at 3 blocks and the other points at 4, but…..
If you invert the picture, the symbols on the collar bones could represent 34 and 40.  There is your 34, but then what is the 40?

Those are the lat/lon coordinates/
I think the finger represent blocks/streets….

Those are the lat/lon coordinates/
I
think the finger represent blocks/streets….

Does anyone one have some good ideas on what the 3 high wooden posts might be apart from the Fishermen’s wharf sign?

3 masts of a ship. A bunch of them would’ve been docked at Hyde
pier
.
I myself wouldn’t put much weight on the wooden part.

3 masts of a ship. A bunch of them would’ve been docked at Hyde pier.
I myself wouldn’t put much weight on the wooden part.

Let me try to shoehorn one in for
stone wall’s door
:
So we established that stonewall is the dragon in the painting and a door can be a gate.
So we got Dragon’s Gate (china gate, chinatown gate).
Looking at the Dragon’s gate, the two dragons on top of the gate are golden.
So would that make it
At Golden Gate
?
Love those fish gargoyles.

The wooden posts along with the air tastes/smells sweet interpretation changes the way I might choose to solve it. For example if I chose to start my hunt at Shakespeare Garden ( Stone Walls door), I would use the garden of fragrance as the air smells sweet because of (not far away, high posts are three) meaning Sutro Tower. But with out Sutro as my wooden posts then I might have to go with Ghirardelli as my Stone Walls Door in addition to that taste/smell sweet hint and then to the only three wooden posts high I know of which is the Fisherman’s Wharf sign.

Well, Image 1 still has some mysteries about it,
the most notable being what does the barred window mean
and then there is the shape under the table. is it a bldg like in the Cleveland picture or is it something else. just kind of eyeballing the shape I see it can either be square or round,
maybe its a combination of both. it could be more square then rectangular but , does anyone familiar with SF recognize this shape?  and it doesn’t match SF fire boxes or Police boxes

Maltedfalcon,
How has the digging gone in GGP?

isn’t where I thought it was….
I think the key is the object of twains attention, without knowing exactly what that is it just stabbing in the ‘park’
“and its a very big park”
Ive tried the obvious directions,  but your talking a huge area it you tried all of them.
need to narrow it down a bit before going back – thats why I am re-looking at all the clues especially the ones I’m not sure about.

I meant HOTEL GTON visible, 2 rows of letters starting with H and G (backward). The rest of the letters would be covered by the roof line.

Cask 1 Verse 7
San Francisco
I see how Russian Hill becomes interesting from a visual perspective with the ‘hG’.  I never found any evidence that supported that location as strongly as that of Lincoln Park.  Perhaps the point of Russian Hill is solely to get a good look at Alcatraz and Ghiradelli and then wonder why it fits just that portion of the solution when you’re putting it all together up at the Palace of the Legion of Honor and Golf Course.
Some of the main objects of my theory have been subject to removal and relocation.  I believe the “giant pole” is literally a giant pole in the parking lot of the Palace of the Legion of Honor, which was there in the early 80’s, but removed in the mid to late 90’s.  I don’t know the actual dates.
The Betsy Ross Memorial Flagpole,
A step or stair pertains to climbing a short distance.  A stairway: takes you to the second floor of a home.
A giant step pertains to traversing a long distance.  A highway: takes you to the next town.
The Lincoln Memorial Highway terminus marker was installed by the boyscouts,  it has been relocated to the other side of the parking lot.
Following these two objects in line on a map takes you in Alcatraz’ direction.  In jewels direction is an object of Twain’s attention: his pen.  Twain = Samuel Clemens pen name.  Alcatraz = PEN.  Federal Penitentiary.
If you follow this path in that direction it stops at a bench that faces the Golden Gate Bridge and has these old trees that present this pattern that matches the dragon head and arms of the woman.
Something of a new tactic Ive turned to involves really focusing on what the verse is doing to identify some points as distant clues for the purpose of getting situated and which clues referenced in its final lines strictly guide us to what pinpoints.
If the main part of this verse establishes these three line clues, Flagpole, Lincoln post, and a direction of Alcatraz, the final lines are line “to the place the casque is kept” doesnt look like much help.  I think the image must play a stronger role in this case and at this spot where the trees look like arms folded theres a long rectangle shape in the top surface of the bench.  I think it identifies with the border outlining her dragon.  Im willing to think the golden pearl above it on her neck is the same as digging at the end of the bench, west side.

Choice

There’s an irrational backlash against foghorn in this thread even-though it can satisfy Japanese translation of a device-involved sound maker.

Shhh! people will notice!

So this place is very silent in response to the post that verse 7 not belonging to Image 1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re72di5phM0

Choice

So this place is very silent in response to the post that verse 7 not belonging to Image 1.

That’s because it really doesn’t make sense.

Possible major update for this image!
I hope this can help!
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=7362

The tea garden and the moon garden solutions would require you either to break and enter,or get permission
as the verse does not say Get permission to dig out, as another verse does.
I seriously doubt both locations.
Where I can picture BP skulking about the bushes at night with a shovel, I cannot picture him breaking and entering…

I’m not sure if this is anything new but I thought I’d point out something I noticed the other day while trying to make the Chinese connection. The symbol on the left side of the middle section of the image looks pretty similar to this design I noticed inside/outside the Chinese Pavilion in GGP. I know the pavilion was opened in 1981 but do we know with certainty if it was there or not when BP buried the casques?

Never mind. As I’m going back through the posts this has clearly been mentioned before.

Welcome to the hunt. I did the same thing.

Goldengate

“We” know it’s in San Francisco via the collective effort of the forum over more than a decade — but in 1982, solving the puzzles was a pretty solitary effort. As with the Chicago Water Tower and the Cleveland tower, each image has multiple clues that tie it to a city — meant to be somewhat recognizable to locals and out-of-towners alike . I think referencing a cable car is just one of those things, that’s all. In 1982, tying a cable car to San Francisco would be more accessible to more people than the outline of GGP or any of the other perceived clues (except for the lat and long, which are dead on).
I can only speak for myself, but I think the cable car is meant to be a general visual starting point setting this image in San Francisco and then the hunters can narrow down clues like GGP, Twain connections, poles, steps, etc from there.

I think that is a good point. I owned a trolley car building for 20 years in Baltimore. The SF cars are unique.

The bump on the lady’s wrist is the head of the ulna, which has a semilunar form. The ulna is the smaller of the forearm bones. It starts at the elbow and ends at the little finger. Ulna is an anagram of Luna and elbow is an anagram of below, for those not opposed to anagrams.
Luna is Italian for moon. Derivatives are lunar, lunatic. Moon means month. The alchemical word for silver is moon. The periodic table value is AG, 47 for silver.
The way the lady’s hands are positioned, one on top is lead by the ulna. If you lifted your elbow first, you would make a pouring action. The under hand is a lifting motion. I have no idea if the forum has posted pictures of statues that have pouring and lifting figures. Maybe they could be in one statue.
I did a search for all of this information and didn’t really find anything. Hoping not to repeat info put out already.

Unknown

Unknown:
Oh well I had a dig today but came up empty.

Meanwhile, this. But by all means, keep ranting about Josh, because, you know…

i dont know why you keep saying it was deleted by an admin when i deleted it myself. you can keep saying it but its going to be untrue every single time…get a life loser.

The Secret II by “Anus”

Delving into some bible verse today, I found chapter 11 section 7 is the first mention of the beast, technically it’s not the Dragon which comes later. Anyway, it’s a gnarly idea.
Collectively we might use the Adam’s Apple placement of the pearl and Twain’s parody of Adam and Eve to support a focus on the three Adam’s sculpture, the Shades, by Rodin in SF.
The Gates of Hell (a giant door):
A 1995 article clarifies that the Adams-Shades sculpture was moved indoors as part of their renovations.
http://articles.latimes.com/1995-11-12/ … t-museum/3

maltedfalcon

I had a dig today but came up empty.

… You don’t say?

125 times in one hour is a pretty good typing speed, on the plus side

im the one who deleted the post and i did not post 125 times in an hour. i was in convo with people telling them the twain clue answer…if y read that post, you should know…

Can someone in SF help verify a candidate match for this feature? These lamps aren’t unique, but I haven’t managed to get a sharp picture yet to be absolutely sure it’s not.

erexere

Can someone in SF help verify a candidate match for this feature? These lamps aren’t unique, but I haven’t managed to get a sharp picture yet to be absolutely sure it’s not.

the answer is no – the lamps were installed in 1984.

Goldengate

BTW, I enjoy the SA forum

I really like it. It’s about 50% quick-thinking people making genuine efforts, 25 % people who are genuinely concerned for the mental well-being of the aforementioned 50%, and 25% people who say, “I found the treasure. It was between 3-3.5 feet up my butt”

Have to agree with the cable car bell.
Not only is the bell a dead ringer for the Cable Car bell, I also believe the table that the clock is sitting on is the “turn table” that they use to turn the Cable Cars around and send them back in the other direction.

MrSeabass

I don’t understand the obsession of linking the bell to the cable car. We know it in San Francisco already; linking it to a cable car does nothing. May as well find references to BART or Emperor Norton in the image.

I have 100% confirmation. its telling you you have to ride the cable car from one point in the puzzle to another.

I have 100% confirmation. its telling
you you
have to ride the cable car from one point in the puzzle to another.
image upload html
It’s the You You
Crazy Train!!!!!

Rviewer1

Does anyone who has been deep into the San Francisco hunt think there is a possibility that Byron Preiss may not have known that Sutro Heights Park was off limits? I’m a local who put boots on the ground at SHP and studied every page here and have spent a couple hours a day working on some part of this puzzle but yet somehow I missed that it was under the jurisdiction of the NPS. But 2 blocks away GGP was SFPR.

I don’t think he would have entered the Presidio at all. and while to this day I cannot imagine him inside the FOY at St. Augustine or in a National Park in Charleston. in the 80s Lands End was wide open and I doubt he would have even thought about it at all.

Does anyone who has been deep into the San Francisco hunt think there is a possibility that Byron Preiss may not have known that Sutro Heights Park was off limits? I’m a local who put boots on the ground at SHP and studied every page here and have spent a couple hours a day working on some part of this puzzle but yet somehow I missed that it was under the jurisdiction of the NPS. But 2 blocks away GGP was SFPR.

maltedfalcon

I don’t think he would have entered the Presidio at all. and while to this day I cannot imagine him inside the FOY at St. Augustine or in a National Park in Charleston. in the 80s Lands End was wide open and I doubt he would have even thought about it at all.

Thanks for letting me know that. That’s a tough one for me. I know everyone thinks their solution is the right one. I had this one at 75% that it was the correct solution and the NPS won’t even let me probe it. That is not surprising though. There is a definite possibility that the casque is there and we will never know. Maybe I could hire a Seal Team to parachute in with their night vision and bring me back the casque.
So now I guess my only move is to concentrate on the 25% part that I was wrong and start working on a new solution.

anus905

but like, if you can follow two diff paths to 2 diff parks using valid interpretations, how can you negate that is part of the design?!? esp considering one is the park that 95% of people believe it is in.

Great question. I feel like you answered it yourself: We can use the same stuff to find a path to two different parks, therefore these solves are really susceptible to interpretation. You can follow paths to any park you want using not-so-creative interpretation of verses and images. That’s why there’s never been a puzzle in the history of puzzles that required creative interpretations of verse nor free association. That’s why Preiss didn’t use free association nor any interpretation in the two known solves: It just leads itself to a cluster headache with everyone convinced their solve is right just because it leads somewhere plausible.
Let’s say I find a mysterious list. It says “green red blue 12 8 9, there’s the treasure.” Let’s say I decide it might be a grocery list. I go to the store and find out that in aisles 12, 8, and 9, there’s green and blue and red items. But then I also find that, in aisle 1, there”s a green item that costs $12, a red item that costs $8, and a blue item that costs $9. Would it be logical to conclude that the list is a grocery list based on the grounds that two interpretations both worked at a grocery store? No, the non-specific nature of the list makes me less likely to think it’s a grocery list.
Did you see my Image 9 trick where I asked someone to pick any place (the picked Antarctica) then I found a dozen pretty good “clues” using
just a tiny bit of the picture and nothing else?

Also, in image 4 there were two things pointing straight to Philadelphia: L + Bell, and a keystone. Both based on wordplay/interpretation, and we all know how that turned out.

drunknerds

It frustrates me when people misrepresent basic facts to tunnel a theory they’ve already presented a long time ago.

That sounds annoying, and I certainly didn’t mean to, so apologies if I did. I only bumped it to clear up the confusion over the observatory. 🙂

WhiteRabbit

1)
Of all the romance retold
Men of tales and tunes
Cruel and bold
Seen here
By eyes of old
RLS links to SF via Treasure Island and the monument (a drinking fountain) in Portsmouth Square, Chinatown.

WhiteRabbit

2)
Or May 1913
Edwin and Edwina named after him
There’s a well-known photographic portrait of the actor
Edwin Booth with daughter Edwina
, and a plaque referencing Edwin near a plaque for RLS.
Equity
, the actors union, was founded in May 1913 following secret meetings at Edwin Booth’s mansion in NY. The phrase “
Fair remuneration
” appears in the
Equity handbook
, though I don’t know when it first appeared.

WhiteRabbit

3)
Or on the eighth a scene
Where law defended
Between two arms extended
Below the bar that binds
Beside the long palm’s shadow
Embedded in the sand
These lines could be a description of the Lafayette Park tennis courts, which are on Octavia (the
eighth
). It’s a “court”, a scene where law defended, between “two [with] arms extended”. “
Long palm
” is an early form of tennis. There are also actual palms in the park.

WhiteRabbit

4)
Waits the Fair remuneration
White house close at hand
The courts are next to an infamous white house which was the subject of a long-running dispute.
https://hoodline.com/2016/06/legendary- … park-today

WhiteRabbit

5)
Possible image matches include a Victorian drinking fountain:

WhiteRabbit

…and the windows of the white house.

Yeh, I could have been way nicer about that accusation, WR. I acutally edited it to “I don’t think you meant to misrepresent,” but that got eaten up by the board’s glitchiness.
WR, I love how well laid out your theories are. Makes it way easier to understand than people who post “hey the birds nose looks like a bush outside my house” with no pics.
Here’s my opinions on your theory. Please keep in mind I WANT you to be right, because it would mean a lot of new areas to explore in terms of solve.
This Works for me.
To me, this is a tunnel:
– Why would Preiss decide to use Edwina as a reference to Edwin Booth? Why not just a fact about Booth himself or, if you’re going to reference a relative, why not his EXTREMELY famous relative? Edwina doesn’t appear anywhere on that plaque. It’s a tunnel to me.
– May 1913 is a tunnel to me. Why would Preiss care to reference the formation of an actor’s union all the way on the other side of the country, twenty years after Booth died. A logical reference would be to something that Booth did, or was known for, not some arbitrary thing that happened in New York that just happened to be at a house Booth used to own. This is what I mean when I keep hammering that “association” doesn’t work in a puzzle because it’s too broad. Billions of things have happened in people’s homes, I could pick anyone and tunnel a location just based on stuff that happened in their home.
– “Fair Remuneration” got me excited for a second, until my wife informed me it’s a common legal term that appears in a lot of union materials.

Hey, I like the Octavia tennis courts solve. I just have two issues:
– Preiss, who was a linguistic genius and stickler, said “a SCENE where law defended.” Not a place, not a room, not an area, and especially not a SETTING. An inanimate patch of clay can’t be described as a scene.
– San Francisco has Octavia and an 8th avenue. The odds are really high that one of them would hold a tennis or basketball court, or a real courtroom, or a courtyard. So, while the match is clever, it certainly doesn’t have that “oh, this is unusual” aspect that makes interpretations really seem correct.
There are white houses everywhere. Literally everywhere. If one has to resort to finding interesting things about the house that have nothing to do with faeries or treasure, then that’s tunneling in my strictest scene.
I love the first two , um, divots in the image matching with the first two divots beneath the fountain. That said, there’s definitely no huge oblong piece. I can’t see JJP putting in a part which dominates 80% of the base in the image when it’s not in the actual fountain base. If I look at this a certain way, there are some great matches and I start to get really excited, but then my eyes keep getting drawn to the huge center oblong and any resemblance just dissolves
This really doesn’t match, for my eyes. The proportions are off and there’s no bars.
Keep ‘dem coming, though, WR. Like I said, you lay these out in a really easy to understand way

WhiteRabbit

Is there any evidence of Preiss using such playful and cryptic wordplay in the solved casks? Where I’m sitting it feels like Preiss hated wordplay: He calls a music and an art building “music” and “brush.”

WhiteRabbit

Well, what I’d say is that it’s a playful and cryptic way to describe a tennis court. But it’s simply a baffling way to describe a hanging, and one with only the most tenuous connection with an eighth…(and no explanation for other references like “long palm”).

It was a TRIAL and it was on the 8th (although I do concede referencing “the eighth” is odd because that date apparently was not on the monument.)
http://www.southernspiritguide.org/wp-c … nument.jpg
“Long Palm” is referenced FOUR lines later in the verse, and there are long palm trees all over near the monument.
It frustrates me when people misrepresent basic facts to tunnel a theory they’ve already presented a long time ago. It’s fine to have a different theory, but let’s have a back-and-forth of both the good and bad parts. That means seeing facts for what they are: Great clues, and not as threats to a particular solve we happen to like.
Don’t forget, arguing against one solve doesn’t prove another. I really DON’T want it to be in WPG, but I’m not going hand-wave away obvious links like monument references (which Preiss was known to do) in favor of fancy wordplay (which, as far as I can tell, has zero presence in the solved puzzles outside of possibly “beneath two countries”).

drunknerds

Is there any evidence of Preiss using such playful and cryptic wordplay in the solved casks? Where I’m sitting it feels like Preiss hated wordplay: He calls a music and an art building “music” and “brush.”

there is a theme to those list clues

beneath two countries is def not the fanciest wordplay he uses…not even close! that’s almost literal, in the sense there are 3 gardens but only two are named after countries (Italy and Serbia; with the third being the African American Garden). just look at the two different valid interpretations of the one clue in Milwaukee!!!!!! thats wayyyyy fancier.
“As you walk the beating of the world”
in the one sense (from Mitchell Hall) it would take you along DOWNER (“beat the world down”)
in the other sense (from Wisconsin Club) it takes you down WELLES (via a war of the worlds interpretation!!!!)
its specifically designed to take you to BOTH…as you can do this for the first 7 clues and get to 2 entirely different parks (M. Hall leads you to Lincoln Pak; W. Hall leads you to Lake Park).
and obviously only one of those parks can actually have the treasure in it.

anus905

beneath two countries is def not the fanciest wordplay he uses…not even close! that’s almost literal, in the sense there are 3 gardens but only two are named after countries (Italy and Serbia; with the third being the African American Garden). just look at the two different valid interpretations of the one clue in Milwaukee!!!!!! thats wayyyyy fancier.
“As you walk the beating of the world”
in the one sense (from Mitchell Hall) it would take you along DOWNER (“beat the world down”)
in the other sense (from Wisconsin Club) it takes you down WELLES (via a war of the worlds interpretation!!!!)
its specifically designed to take you to BOTH…as you can do this for the first 7 clues and get to 2 entirely different parks (M. Hall leads you to Lincoln Pak; W. Hall leads you to Lake Park).
and obviously only one of those parks can actually have the treasure in it.

That’s a logical fallacy, though, “Preiss used wordplay because it is possible to interpret an ambiguous statement he made as wordplay.” Just because something is possible doesn’t mean it has to be.
That’s why I was asking about the known solves. I’m a pattern man, and Preiss not doing a single bit of wordplay in the dozens of actually know-to-be-correct clue interpretations for dozens of clues for both known solves is too much of a pattern for me to consider using wordplay in future solves

but like, if you can follow two diff paths to 2 diff parks using valid interpretations, how can you negate that is part of the design?!? esp considering one is the park that 95% of people believe it is in.

and considering the path that leads to the treasure is the less easy to spot in the first place (as its called the Wisconsin Club, you only know its the old Mitchell Mansion if you look up the history!). I mean, if you cant accept shit that is reinforced for you I’m not surprised yo haven’t made progress…at some point yo9u have to accept what is clearly right and what is clearly wrong (or, in another sense…what is the primary reading, and what is/are the secondary readings). its dialectics man.

dialectics is a term relating to the cinematic theories of Sergei Eisenstein (director of some of Russian’s most renown films). it concerns how the mind compares and contrasts texts (texts can be anything…a word, a line of words, an image, a symbol etc) in order to achieve meaning through perception.

Kerry at GGT is looking into it. She indicated that service started in the area in 1972, and she is double-checking to see if Route 58 was active since then or was added later. (415) 921-5858 for contact GGT info.

it’s not important, because it’s only stops at 4th and perry, 4th and folsom and Battery Pine, it does not take you anywhere near the Tele hill.

I think that’s exactly the way most of us feel, Preiss stated the more expensive the jewel the harder the puzzle. Not to say pearls are expensive but this maybe what he was alluding to.

I have to say I always thought the dress panel looked more like hairpin turns of the iconic Lombard street than GGP. I believe Josh also commented on that recently.

JamesV

Interesting ideas for sure. I’m still leaning towards an I1/V6 pairing, but just a couple thoughts on yours:
-If you accept the idea that the Image 1 woman’s dress is a map of Golden Gate Park, it looks like the pearl itself would be located in the Panhandle section of the park. Wondering if this could somehow actually indicate the dig site?
-Judging by a few online image searches, the McKinley monument in GGP’s Panhandle looks like it has a face engraved in profile. Unsure if this could somehow be an “Image match” for the man’s profile ticked into the rocks of Image 1.

your both wrong (but esp james lol…thats not where pearl would be…)
which man, there are several?

jayheedan1

I have to say I always thought the dress panel looked more like hairpin turns of the iconic Lombard street than GGP. I believe Josh also commented on that recently.

mid dragon section is crooked st

as seen from coit, to be exact.

alphsigm

Does anyone else feel that, besides the dragon vaguely looking like Lombard St or GGP or the dragon in front of the GGP senior center, Image 1 has less strong location matches than the other images? There’s no strong landmark or maps matches.

all the landmarks are important…there are more than 2…

Definitely the view from Coit Tower is alluring. If paired with verse 10, where Coit Tower is a grey giant, it only has one path that leads to/from which is Lombard street (slender path) the shadow of Coit Tower have cars abound the roundabout of the Christopher Columbus statue. Is he a Indies native? It is more in line with viewing Alcatraz and a potential isle of B (belevede) to the North. The outline in the San Fran image above the table/flower kinda looks like Belvedere island minus the wings on either side. Or at least as well as the Illinois and Ohio outlines looked.
Just a thought if anyone was considering other verse combos

thats the verse for ny the indies native is hamilton.

I like your thoughts Jayheedan1. Verse 10 has possibilities. The shadow probably shines on more than Columbus Statue. Keep your mind open. And have an excellent day! Adam

*smacks head*

Jay, Christopher Columbus is credited with discovering the West Indies. But…he’s not a native of the Indies, wasn’t from there. He was European ….usually, cited as being Italian.

I actually prefer Raisin Bran, But Sugar smacks are OK. Have a great day Josh.

Mister EZ

Jay, Christopher Columbus is credited with discovering the West Indies. But…he’s not a native of the Indies, wasn’t from there. He was European ….usually, cited as being Italian.

so its not him…thats what youre being told lol…listen.

You rock GoldenGate. I am convinced that either past theories are mismatched with images, or verse interpretations are not spot on. Every idea is equally brilliant and stupid until the casque shows us who was right. Have an excellent day! Adam

Idk I am bothered by the Indies line, too vague seems every country had an “Indies” since Columbus “discovered” the West Indies and named them would Preiss declare him a native? But also the rise of the “indie” (independent) films and music became popular in the 1930’s. Is this a reference to something in that genre?
If you (Josh) had it figured out I guess I need to go back and read your New York solve walkthrough.

that would probably benefit you. as it gives you exact location of treasure lol

I looked for bus routes in San Francisco and guess where route 58 goes? From Downtown to Hamilton (image of map attached). It goes by the Coit Tower, so it is reasonable to expect to see a sign for this bus (TO HAMILTON) there. Have an excellent day! Adam
http://tinypic.com/r/333bm2v/9
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Route_58

JoshCornell

so its not him…

Which is what I was saying….so, *you* listen.

i just found the tile theme…the tile style and tile maker.

Goldengate

So far, 100% of your theories have proven to be dead wrong… you’ve found nothing, just like everyone else here.

Pretty sure there are at least 2 people possibly 3 people here who have found casques.

Josh is KOEH! King of Empty Holes.

jayheedan1

Definitely the view from Coit Tower is alluring. If paired with verse 10, where Coit Tower is a grey giant, it only has one path that leads to/from which is Lombard street (slender path) the shadow of Coit Tower have cars abound the roundabout of the Christopher Columbus statue. Is he a Indies native? It is more in line with viewing Alcatraz and a potential isle of B (belevede) to the North. The outline in the San Fran image above the table/flower kinda looks like Belvedere island minus the wings on either side. Or at least as well as the Illinois and Ohio outlines looked.
Just a thought if anyone was considering other verse combos

it has more than one path, yet Lombard is just too far away. He’s Italian. No, it doesn’t kinda looks like whatever island, instead, it’s a map of the park.

Darn I wish that I was in SF to explore the area around Coit Tower. The slender path could be Filbert St. It is a definite path from Coit Tower to the bus stop on Sansome. Wouldn’t that be hilarious if BP took a bus and described things he saw along the route? Ghirardelli Chocolate factory is near Route 58 Bus stop too! Anyhow, have an excellent day! Adam

Didn’t I read that someone was wondering what the connection was to a 58 they see in image 1?