Forgive me guys, where are getting Monte Irving from?

In the book The Secret under Team Sprit the( fair people) I am not sure what page don’t have the book in front of me. But it’s pretty clear to me when you see it

Goonie68

In the book The Secret under Team Sprit the( fair people) I am not sure what page don’t have the book in front of me. But it’s pretty clear to me when you see it

page 904 of the ebook

As far as the rest of the book
Yes there is a SF giant player (there are also NY Giants players…)
There is a fairy called the Corporate Giant in the book (NY and NJ)
There is a fairy I think called the Tinkerbelle photographed in a SF chinatown phonebooth…
There is a picture of a train numbered 982 that is the train # in houston.
There is a Section that refers to fairys in Chicago and shows cubs hats…
That being said NOTHING in the rest of the book has been shown to be a clue for Chicago or Cleveland.
Byron specifically said the rest of the book has nothing to do with the hunt….

I assume Preiss had total control over the publication. Who’s to say a few small hob-hints didn’t sneak into the Lonely editing chamber while Shmug snoozed on a giant pile of pez candies.

Goonie68

In the book The Secret under Team Sprit the( fair people) I am not sure what page don’t have the book in front of me. But it’s pretty clear to me when you see it

I must be working with the Cliff Notes version. No wonder I can’t solve anything!
Someone PM me please.

gManTexas

I must be working with the Cliff Notes version. No wonder I can’t solve anything!
Someone PM me please.

Best bet is the secret Kindle edition amazon about $19
nice scans – the reprint (the one with the white border around the cover, or the hardback) are not worth the paper they are printed on
images are dim and contain all kinds of scanner artifacts…

There is also a reference to Carl Marx ( Marx meadow in the park) in the book, but I find it very, very hard to believe that these are just coincidence and random placing in the book that can relate to the puzzle. Yes he said that it has no relation to the puzzle….. if there is no connection then why write the book? In my opinion he must of thrown in a few Easter eggs, he also said he thought the puzzle would be solved in 1 years time…..30 + years later….So not sure I would completely agree the notion that there are no hints in the book.

Karl sorry

maltedfalcon

Best bet is the secret Kindle edition amazon about $19
nice scans – the reprint (the one with the white border around the cover, or the hardback) are not worth the paper they are printed on
images are dim and contain all kinds of scanner artifacts…

Let me pose the question, the OCR version (I’m sure you are all familiar), how abridged is it? It seems to have the meat we need but not the potatoes where some other tidbits might be. I count 41 total pages in the OCR version.

Huckleberry house is right next to golden gate park and seems to have been around in 1980
https://www.huckleberryyouth.org/crisis-shelter/

I am sharing this image that I manipulated to make the round images blue. I believe the moons are the greens and/or the sand traps from the golf course at Golden Gate Park. I saw this some time ago but I wanted to go visit the park to see if the greens were anywhere near a place to see the high posts are three or near JFK drive. I went up to the golf course and it is up on a hill with large trees blocking the view. But it is off of JFK drive.
https://imgur.com/sNNgo3G
I also searched what the the symbols represent that are on the front of the image near the Gh. This is what I found. I read on a post (maybe here) or somewhere else about the golf scorecard symbol meaning. I found something that clears up some of my questions. Maybe even the Ace is High? See below.
Hole-in-One
When a golfer is successful in hitting his ball from the tee-box so that it falls into the hole in only one stroke he is said to have performed a hole-in-one, or an ace. On a par-3, an ace is equivalent to an eagle since it required 2 fewer strokes than is deemed standard, or below par.
Traditionally, for a hole-in-one to be considered valid another golfer must have witnessed it. In such cases, the golfer who scored the ace will usually conserve his scorecard and have it signed by the witness(es), as per tradition. He will also usually conserve the ball in question and may even decide to write a note on it to document the coup.
If he seeks to further follow tradition the golfer that scores a hole-in-one will make his way into the clubhouse bar after the round and excitedly inform his fellow golfers of his recent feat. He will then proceed to buying a round to everyone present and may even make that round a round of champagne if he is so keen.
Jun 19, 2016 – This makes adding up the score very simple. … I’ve never had a hole-in-one, but someday I hope to put a triangle on my card around a 1!
Draw a circle around the score for a birdie (one under par) or a square around the score for a bogey (one over par). Use a double circle for an eagle (two under par, which is rare among average golfers) or a double square for a double bogey.
So far I have entered Golden Gate Park at the Senior Center, moved to JFK drive where the road is divided (this is where I see the crossed arms) and then I would head toward the Golf Course. Look at the map of the golf course and see the moons. I took the map and colored the greens blue and a sand trap and found the moons. What do you think?

Unknown

Unknown:
The Geometric Elements. The leverage on these problems comes from the principle of triangular proportionality, the geometry at the heart of all perspective and optical images:
Given two triangles of unequal size, if the three interior angles of one triangle are equal to the three interior angles of the other, then the length of all three sides of the smaller triangle will be in a constant proportion to the length of the corresponding sides of the larger triangle.
The proof appears in Euclid’s Elements, Book 6, Proposition 2; and the the optical implications were developed in Euclid’s Optics, written c.300 CE.

Euclid was mentioned in the Cleveland solutlion and now I find his triangle proofs will come in handy with San Francisco.

Unknown

Unknown:
The Geometric Elements. The leverage on these problems comes from the principle
of
triangular proportionality, the geometry at the heart
of
all perspective and optical images:
Given two triangles
of
unequal size, if the three interior angles
of
one triangle are equal to the three interior angles
of
the other, then the length
of
all three sides
of
the smaller triangle will be in a constant proportion to the length
of
the corresponding sides
of
the larger triangle.
The proof appears in Euclid’s Elements, Book 6, Proposition 2; and the the optical implications were developed in Euclid’s Optics, written c.300 CE.

Euclid was mentioned in the Cleveland solutlion and now
I
find his triangle proofs will come in handy with San Francisco.

Choice

But I thought you are starting from Montgomery/Pyramid area and going north on Columbus. How does Ghirardelli get in the mix?
The problem is you started explaining your solve from the middle of the verse, “running north” part. It gets confusing when I don’t have a starting point. Please a bit more cohesion.

For me the verse starts at the Aquatic Tomb stones “Walls door” (maybe a hint by the dead guy in the rocks a 49er?) then “the air smells sweet” Ghirardelli Square, “High Post” The CA Thayer, “Education and Justice” ( Alcatraz) The capitulation of the E & J put you at the intersection of Embarcadero ( E ) and Jefferson ( J ) . Head south on Powell, “sounds from the sky” (church bells) near ace is high” You pass Lombard Street (Dragon) Telegraph hill (ace being Coit address 1 on a high hill) brings you to Filberst street (church) using Powell st to Filber ( POW IMO is in the image , turn the image upside down read right from left and the spiral looks like a P , the clock shape an O and the stem coming off the table a W, POW short for POWELL. “Running north, but first across, Columbus runs North and south, you take Filbert to cross Columbus , but first across.
top ten epic poems

I like everything about it except the Twain thing. The Transamerica Pyramid is too convoluted for my simple mind.
Running north, but first across In jewel’s direction Is an object Of Twain’s attention
I break it down to:
Running north — obviously the direction
first across — Columbus
in jewel’s direction — East or West direction
Is an object of Twain’s attention
Remove the direction instructions to find out what the object is first.
It reads: Columbus is an object of Twain’s attention
Go further, mark twain means 12 feet (2 fathoms) and attention meaning stiff as statue
Then you get: Columbus is an object, 12 foot statue.
or: Columbus ia an object, 12 feet standing straight (or tall)

Verse 7 makes me so mad, in how abstract it is. There’s no “socrates, pindar, appeles” there’s no “10×13.” It’s all stuff that is literally everywhere:
– A stone wall with a door. A large % of walls are stone, and many have doors.
– The Air smells sweet. This means anywhere near something built/donated by Spreckles or Ghiradelli is in play. That’s like half the city. Not to mention the places near bakeries or, dang, flowers.
– Not far away high posts are three. Yeah, there’s three posts everywhere. It’s actually the most limiting post in the whole verse. But there are three posts everywhere, especially if we use creative synonyms for “post.” The wooden hint really helped to make this limited, and everyone trying to find verse matches should anchor them to this line, imo
– Education and justice for all to see. Any school, any police station, anywhere they teach something, anywhere they restrict something. Useless line.
– Sounds from the sky. You know what makes sounds in the sky? Birds. You know where birds are? Everywhere.
– Near ace is high. As mentioned, ace is high in almost every card game. Bridges, fire-related stuff (poker), black people and people named jack are all in play. Then you bring in the HWY 1 connection and it’s near infinite.
– An object of Twain’s attention. Twain is one of the most prolific writers of all time, and he got it all started inSF. Every single block in SF has a connection to Twain, if you do a bit of research.
– Giant pole. Every block has a telephone and/or a light pole.
– Giant step. Stairs abound, and if it’s not stairs it’s taking a step away from the above mentioned unlimited giant pole.
I recently left a solving group because they kept getting excited at “finding everything mentioned in the verse,” and hand-waved me away when I pointed out that you can pick any spot in SF and do the verse. I came back to Q4T because you all understood the point of my “antarctica is referred to 12+ times in these two tiny parts of image 9.” You get it.
Goddang Preiss… you wrote the most extractable verse in history and attached it to an image with like 1 definite match (cable car bell). Bad puzzle!

Choice

In my hunt, starting from Dragon’s Gate (posted previously) I came up with at least 3 destination possibilities. One was the Washington Square. I interpreted “sounds” as church bells and shoehorned “3 posts” as 3 church crosses. I could almost feel the pearl in my hand, then came the pearl harbour (see what I did there?!); the Japanese translations (JT).
So back to the drawing board I came to the conclusion that the 2 destinations that can meet the JT requirements are Coit and Ghirardelli. That’s if you are using verse 7.
Here’s the issue with pairing I1, V7: JT suggest to search images for numbers then match a verse with the numbers present. I1 has sooo many numbers all over; V7 only #3 similar to I12.
However I1 has the Roman numerals I,I and II,II on the top 2 rows of her robe. I interpret this as 222 or V5.
I have a solution for paired I1, V5 at Union Square I worked on about half an hour yesterday so it’s very rough. I may post it later on V5 thread.
So Goonie, how do you resolve the JT sounds, 3 posts and pairing issues?

I think the JT depends on where you are at in the puzzle, GGP will have a totally different meaning to somewhere in the Marina or in a certain part of the City. For where i am in the puzzle, JT sounds ,”something a human can’t hear” “Device” The ringing of the bells from the church are generated from a machine (Device) this to me draws you towards Columbus Ave, Wooden posts I explained in an earlier post of the C.A. Thayer , explain pairing issues?

Goonie68

Wooden posts I explained in an earlier post of the C.A. Thayer , explain pairing issues?

You must’ve posted about Thayer somewhere else. I can’t find it. But you have no view of Hyde pier from there.
Pairing, we were told by JT to pair up I & V by matching numbers present in both. The only number present in V7 is 3. but many numbers in I1. V7 is better match for I12 since they both have 3 present and V5 for I1 since both have 222.

Choice

You must’ve posted about Thayer somewhere else. I can’t find it. But you have no view of Hyde pier from there.
Pairing, we were told by JT to pair up I & V by matching numbers present in both. The only number present in V7 is 3. but many numbers in I1. V7 is better match for I12 since they both have 3 present and V5 for I1 since both have 222.

Sorry I posted it in the Verse 7 thread. “high posts are three”

Goonie68

Sorry I posted it in the Verse 7 thread. “high posts are three”

Not far away? you need a telescope!
https://tinyurl.com/ybvja4sq

You must’ve posted about Thayer somewhere else. I can’t find it. But you have no view of Hyde pier from there.
Pairing, we were told by JT to pair up I & V by matching numbers present in both. The only number present in V7 is 3. but many numbers in I1. V7 is better match for I12 since they both have 3 present and V5 for I1 since both have 222.
Sorry I posted it in the Verse 7 thread. “high posts are three”
Not far away? you need a telescope
From Ghirardelli I take it you are in the camp that you have to see every clue from the dig spot?

But I thought you are starting from Montgomery/Pyramid area and going north on Columbus. How does Ghirardelli get in the mix?
The problem is you started explaining your solve from the middle of the verse, “running north” part. It gets confusing when I don’t have a starting point. Please a bit more cohesion.

Considering the prickly nature of this image, perhaps these shapes are cacti.
(Needles? Acupuncture?)

Considering the prickly nature
of
this image, perhaps these shapes are cacti.
(Needles? Acupuncture?)

FYI the area where the aids memorial is was all torn out and re-landscaped at one point,
even the areas where its just overgrowth were taken down to dirt, I think they were getting rid of invasive species and such.
not the trees though

I kind of figured they had redone that area when they dedicated it and all. The good news is that they didn’t move any of the trees. lol That might be a little hard. Plus we are only interested in one giant step from the base of the tree so that should be ok as well unless they poured concrete right up against the tree. Again, it is only a thought. Thanks for the info maltedfalcon. Also, thanks Jordan for taking the time to walk around out there. I still hope to make it out into that area some time I just don’t know when it will be.

Hello,
Some new photos:
http://www.cobbcrew.org/GoldenGate/Gold … 12107.html
Check out the map photos. This is from the “pedestal map” at Spreckels lake. These cement pedestals are at various locations throughout the park. The maps currently in the pedestals seem to be from 1990 or newer, since the Kezar stadium area is the same as the 2005 map available at the park for $3. Kezar stadium was rebuilt in 1990. At first I thought the blue color was from the yellow ink fading (trees on my map are green), but there are words on the map that are definitely green. In image 1 the background behind the dragon seems to be very similar to the trees on the map. Also the blue color, although it would be nice to know if the same style was used for the maps in 1981-82.
The Botanical Gardens and the Japanese Tea Garden seem to be very popular areas of the park, also very well maintained. It seems to me it would be extremely difficult to obtain permission to dig in these areas.

There does seem to be a JFK profile in the rocks in the pic (unless I am imagining things).

Okay so long story short my dad was watching Expedition Unknown and had tipped me off about the existence of this book and this treasure hunt, so here I am! Anyway from a couple of days of pouring over the clues (I decided I’d focus mostly on the supposed San Francisco clue, since that would be the easiest one for me to get to if I decided to pursue this treasure hunt.
In jewel’s direction
Is an object
Of Twain’s attention (West toward the Mississippi)
Okay from following the clues on Google Maps, I noticed that there’s actually a Maritime Museum directly across from Ghiradeli Square (because if you go back to the original image, the reversed G and h are right next to where the pearl is in the picture (and from researching other posts here I only saw one other reference to the location I was thinking of, though I think it was a slightly different area:
http://www.mediafire.com/view/09694d2s2 … TSclue.png
Giant pole
Giant step
To the place
The casque is kept (Playfully using the SF Giants name)
Although I couldn’t figure out a way to work this into my google maps research, my theory was that the pearl in the original painting was right about where it’d be if the ‘Gh’ is the front steps of Ghiradeli Square, looking out (I mean if you were in the building the Gh would technically be reversed….
I only wish I lived in the area and could test this theory!

maltedfalcon
and yes, those departments are so rich and they basically don’t give a shit to anybody.

AlaskaCasqueFinder

Perfect,
Thanks for your help Goonie68. Are you in SF? Thanks, Adam.
P.S. the reason I ask, I am interested in pictures of the William McKinnon Statue in GGP on John F. Kennedy Drive just east of 8th Street. The internet photo doesn’t show the details of whats on the front or what the statue silouette from behind looks like. Have an excellent day! Adam

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I don’t have a view from the back this is the best I have.

Great observation and photo. It is so good to see him closer up. Thanks again for the photo Goonie68! Have an awesome day! Adam

erexere

A note about the Palace of the Legion of Honor in 1995,
http://articles.latimes.com/1995-11-12/ … t-museum/3

Hey Erexere,
Anything come from those Palace of the Legion of Honor pics I took for you?

Thank you for taking those. I couldnt determine anything from them. My instincts for blurring that line between what is sensible and what is beyond recognizable means have waned. SF’s puzzle is very tricky. The run of herringish possibilities leaves me guessing. I think its for a local like yourself to make any further determinations.
I will say though that the “near ace is high” still seems like a good fit for a golf hole number. An “ace” in golf is a “hole in one”. Near a hole that is ace high or like the playing card number 14 could be 13 or 15. The 15th hole is right close to the Palace.

I think the angle of the sun helps. I already posted this photo:
http://goo.gl/maps/nnsJe
If you look down notice the angle of the walls meet here too. But there does seem to be a lot of extra lose rocks – some too large to move

I
think the angle
of
the sun helps.
I
already posted this photo:
http://goo.gl/maps/nnsJe
If you look down notice the angle
of
the walls meet here too. But there does seem to be a lot
of
extra lose rocks – some too large to move

rocks near cave
It has been recently suggested that the image must contain something to identify the correct location. Down the steps to Sutro baths is a cave and to the right of the cave is this rock formation. This is best viewed on Google Earth where there is a 360 degree panoramic photo called Sutro Final Copy. In front of this rock structure is a derelict wall which looks the ideal place.
Here is my attempt to show the rock structure outline:

rocks near cave
It has been recently suggested that the image must contain something to identify the correct location. Down the steps to Sutro baths is a cave and to the right
of
the cave is this rock formation. This is best viewed on Google Earth where there is a 360 degree panoramic photo called Sutro Final Copy. In front
of
this rock structure is a derelict wall which looks the ideal place.
Here is my attempt to show the rock structure outline:

Do you think erosion is slow enough that the cliffs have not changed much since 1982?
obviously there is some erosion, but the cliffs have been there forever. maybe they dont change that much
How much do you think they have changed? I wonder if you could find a similar image to check.

Do you think erosion is slow enough that the cliffs have not changed much since 1982?
obviously there is some erosion, but the cliffs have been there forever. maybe they dont change that much
How much do you think they have changed?
I
wonder if you could find a similar image to check.

maltedfalcon

When was that? I thought Ghiradelli’s has been in the same spot since 1863 and jackson square is in the barbary coast area on the other side of town.
Can you explain the significance of the rose, or the lincoln/JFK silouette in the image?
and I would love to see the similarities between the lamp post bottom and the table

Here’s a reference for Ghiradelli’s.
http://www.verlang.com/sfbay0004ref_19thc_002.html#415-31_jackson
The chocolate factory was originally on Jackson St (and the building is part of the Jackson Square Historic District) before being moved near Fisherman’s Wharf.
As far as the rose… I’ve got no new great ideas. Likewise on the silouette.

i found this may help you in your look around while in SF, or maybe someone else will spot something
Golden Gate Bridge Virtual Walking Tours:
http://www.virtuar.com/ysf2/golden_gate_bridge.htm

i
found this may help you in your look around while in SF, or maybe someone else will spot something
Golden Gate Bridge Virtual Walking Tours:
http://www.virtuar.com/ysf2/golden_gate_bridge.htm

I still don’t get what any of this got to do with Chinese immigration.
Angel island, Chinatown …

I was the one who originally suggested the arms. I’m not 100% sold on the arms, but I am sold on San Francisco (which makes California being in the picture kind of moot).
On another note, has anyone else tried out the street view feature over on google? Its only up for a few cities, but San Francisco is one of them. You can do a kind of walk-around of the city streets at ground level, with the ability to do a panoramic view just about anywhere on the streets. Very cool for looking around the city.
http://maps.google.com/help/maps/streetview/index.html

I
was the one who originally suggested the arms.
I
‘m not 100% sold on the arms, but
I
am sold on San Francisco (which makes California being in the picture kind
of
moot).
On another note, has anyone else tried out the street view feature over on google? Its only up for a few cities, but San Francisco is one
of
them. You can do a kind
of
walk-around
of
the city streets at ground level, with the ability to do a panoramic view just about anywhere on the streets. Very cool for looking around the city.
http://maps.google.com/help/maps/streetview/index.html

Durian, more solid work on your part. I like what I’m seeing. I really like the stair-stepped shape looking like the side of the Maritime Museum. The other areas also look promising and definitely put us in National Maritime Park.
I like your 6 points. Except for #1 I see the Giant Pole as being the Smokestack at SF Pumping Station #2 at the front of the Aquatic Pier. That smokestack is gone now. But if you line up where the smokestack was with the East Speaker tower it goes right over the top of the East bleachers.
Giant Pole – SF Pumping Station Smokestack
Giant Step – East Bleachers
To the place – National Maritime Park
The casque is kept – Near the East Speaker Tower
I believe Priess and JJP used several of the photos from all over the cities to create this artwork and combined many elements that could easily throw searchers off. I see Image 1 as a combination of GGP, Lombard St, Coit Tower, Ghirardelli, Alcatraz, Muir Woods, Fisherman’s Wharf,
Angel
Island, Hyde Street Pier, and more. I like the images of the clock and dragon on the Eureka. They could easily be the inspiration for the Sea Monster/dragon/snake in Image 1, and so could the dragon from the Senior Center. JJP had lots of images to work from and obviously came up with a beautiful piece.
I enjoy all the ideas you are throwing out there with the Ghirardelli clock and possible locations by the bleacher wall. Those spots could definitely be viable. I am of the belief that the dig spot is to the South of the East Tower. I wonder if anyone has probed over there?

Durian, more solid work on your part. I like what I’m seeing. I really like the stair-stepped shape looking like the side of the Maritime Museum. The other areas also look promising and definitely put us in National Maritime Park.
I like your 6 points. Except for #1 I see the Giant Pole as being the Smokestack at SF Pumping Station #2 at the front of the Aquatic Pier. That smokestack is gone now. But if you line up where the smokestack was with the East Speaker tower it goes right over the top of the East bleachers.
Giant Pole – SF Pumping Station Smokestack
Giant Step – East Bleachers
To the place – National Maritime Park
The casque is kept – Near the East Speaker Tower
I believe Priess and JJP used several of the photos from all over the cities to create this artwork and combined many elements that could easily throw searchers off. I see Image 1 as a combination of GGP, Lombard St, Coit Tower, Ghirardelli, Alcatraz, Muir Woods, Fisherman’s Wharf, Angel Island, Hyde Street Pier, and more. I like the images of the clock and dragon on the Eureka. They could easily be the inspiration for the Sea Monster/dragon/snake in Image 1, and so could the dragon from the Senior Center. JJP had lots of images to work from and obviously came up with a beautiful piece.
I enjoy all the ideas you are throwing out there with the Ghirardelli clock and possible locations by the bleacher wall. Those spots could definitely be viable. I am of the belief that the dig spot is to the South of the East Tower. I wonder if anyone has probed over there?

Durian, more solid work on your part. I like what I’m seeing. I really like the stair-stepped shape looking like the side of the Maritime Museum. The other areas also look promising and definitely put us in National Maritime Park.
I like your 6 points. Except for #1 I see the Giant Pole as being the Smokestack at SF Pumping Station #2 at the front of the Aquatic
Pier
. That smokestack is gone now. But if you line up where the smokestack was with the East Speaker tower it goes right over the top of the East bleachers.
Giant Pole – SF Pumping Station Smokestack
Giant Step – East Bleachers
To the place – National Maritime Park
The casque is kept – Near the East Speaker Tower
I believe Priess and JJP used several of the photos from all over the cities to create this artwork and combined many elements that could easily throw searchers off. I see Image 1 as a combination of GGP, Lombard St, Coit Tower, Ghirardelli, Alcatraz, Muir Woods, Fisherman’s Wharf, Angel Island, Hyde Street
Pier
, and more. I like the images of the clock and dragon on the Eureka. They could easily be the inspiration for the Sea Monster/dragon/snake in Image 1, and so could the dragon from the Senior Center. JJP had lots of images to work from and obviously came up with a beautiful piece.
I enjoy all the ideas you are throwing out there with the Ghirardelli clock and possible locations by the bleacher wall. Those spots could definitely be viable. I am of the belief that the dig spot is to the South of the East Tower. I wonder if anyone has probed over there?

Magesmiley

My apologies for taking so long, I was kind of ill the last few days or so. My adventure digging at the beach by the Aquatic Park was… interesting and one my daughters will surely remember for years.
The first day I was in San Francisco I went up to front desk of the museum that had jurisdiction over the park and asked if it would be ok to go out to the beach and dig a hole, describing that I wanted to dig down about 3-3.5 feet right in front of the steps. The guy at the desk and another lady kind of pondered it and then indicated that it would be ok since its a public beach. I jotted his name down and thanked him.
The next day my family and I headed down to the beach and I proceeded to dig, drawing the occasional interest of passers by. All went well for awhile, with me getting to the point that I had a hole about 3.5 feet deep (at which point I was hitting hard rocks)  and around 3.5 feet around. At this point a park policeman stopped me and asked what was going on. I explained and indicated that I had inquired yesterday at the museum’s front desk and was told that it would be ok. He indictated that he hadn’t been informed and had to do some checking.
To make a long story short, he then proceeded to do a bunch of checking and it turns out that the guy who told me it was ok didn’t have the authority to give me permission to dig. Fortunately I had jotted the guys name down, which helped. So, because I did attempt to go through the proper channels and thought I had an ok from someone in the organization, he didn’t give me a ticket, but it ended my digging. I had to fill everything in and give up.
The officer was quite nice towards the end and even gave me the name of the proper channel to go through, however as my trip was drawing to a close, I didn’t have time to follow up on it.
Several onlookers were quite disappointed that my digging was ended too. One guy even started chanting ‘let him dig’ and a lady was arguing with the police officer (which wasn’t helping things).
So as to my rationale:
I was digging, incidentally, down at the base of a large step by one of the lamp poles by the beach at the Aquatic Park.
From the picture: Gh isn’t a general SF landmark, its directly visible from the spot I was digging. FURTHERMORE, there is a tree that blocks out all of the letters, except the Gh (I took a picture, but am at work, so I’ll have to post it up later). The moons are the balls for the light poles down by the water. The table leg is the ironwork below the balls on the light poles (this is kind of debatable, but look at the outline, I think its pretty close). One of the symbols around the border of the tabard is a profile of one of the speaker towers in the park. The tower at the top is Coit Tower, a well-known SF landmark. There might be more I’m forgetting, but I’m going off of memory here.
From verse 7:
At stone wall’s door
The air smells sweet
Not far away
– Ghiradelli’s Chocolates was originally located at Jackson Square. And if you’ve ever been in the place it does indeed smell quite sweet.
High posts are three
– There is a three-masted sailing ship in the harbor of the Aquatic Park
Education and Justice
For all to see
– The Maritime Museum directly adjacent to the Aquatic Park and Alcatraz out in the harbor
Sounds from the sky
– There are two elevated speaker towers for people to address crowds from atop of.
Near ace is high
Running north, but first across
– The Golden Gate Bridge, which is also visible from parts of the Park
In jewel’s direction
Is an object
Of Twain’s attention
– In addition to the sailing ship, there is a paddlewheel steamship out in the harbor as well.
Giant pole
Giant step
To the place
The casque is kept
– I worked under the assumption that the pole was one of the light poles down near the beach as they seemed to match the table leg pretty well. In addition a few of them were adjacent to some large steps.
So, I worked from the lightpole by the steps down to the beach where one could see Alcatraz, the Golden Gate, the Maritime Museum, one of the Speaker Towers, the three-masted sailing ship, the paddle wheeler, and the Ghiradelli’s sign (which as I mentioned had a tree which obstructed all but the Gh). One of the poles met all of the criteria best.
And thus ends my expedition. Here’s hoping that someone else can pick things up where I left off and get (the proper) permission to dig some more.
I’ll try to remember to post up some pictures when I’m home.
And thanks to Jimerson for doing some preliminary looking for me.

Previous work -2007

not everything is flipped on the vertical fyi

beyond imagination

From this location you are practically overlooking Ghirardelli.
To the right you have 6 and 8 rows of blocks.
If you consider “stone wall” to be a reference to the dragon’s body then it’s “door” would be it’s mouth.
Dragon’s head in the image looks like a lion’s head.
So at the mouth of the lion, sweet smell of success!
Nice little green patch there.
I’m making a huge assumption that the mural was there then.
https://tinyurl.com/y2jye8bz
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&start=3781

From this location you are practically overlooking Ghirardelli.
To the right you have 6 and 8 rows
of
blocks.
If you consider “stone wall” to be a reference to the dragon’s body then it’s “door” would be it’s mouth.
Dragon’s head in the image looks like a lion’s head.
So at the mouth
of
the lion, sweet smell
of
success!
Nice little green patch there.
I
‘m making a huge assumption that the mural was there then.
https://tinyurl.com/y2jye8bz
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&start=3781

definitely there in 2011 but I don’t see it in 2007 but that picture is really too blurry to be sure
so I can’t say it wasn’t there.
under ” the Mighty Lions” might be some more text like a date or a signature. too far away to see.

definitely there in 2011 but
I
don’t see it in 2007 but that picture is really too blurry to be sure
so
I
can’t say it wasn’t there.
under ” the Mighty Lions” might be some more text like a date or a signature. too far away to see.

I think that’s just the rectangular frame line. I don’t see any text.
Where do you see 2007 image?
There’s 2008:
https://tinyurl.com/y2fozyb2

I
think that’s just the rectangular frame line.
I
don’t see any text.
Where do you see 2007 image?
There’s 2008:
https://tinyurl.com/y2fozyb2

you got pm’d

Sounds from the sky
– Speaker Towers in National Maritime Park
Near ace is high
– Polk Street.
Polk street ends North at the Maritime Museum right between the Speaker Towers. James Polk was the 11th President
of
the United States, there’s your ace is high.

I
use to like that kind
of
thinking, Ace = 11 (in blackjack) Or 14 (in poker). To then apply that numeric to anything is only as good as a random act unless there’s already some strong lean towards Presidents for this puzzle. Is that the case here?

I
was wondering if in any
of
the other paintings a dice was found?
I
vaguely remember reading that dice had been found among the images in other paintings. Also has anyone noticed what looks like the letter “M” in her curl slightly below the # 38 in her hair. Durian… to let you know that the “Guard Tower” you have as one
of
your points
of
three circled on Alcatraz, is actually the lighthouse.
I
had the privilege
of
being able to see this almost every day for 8 years as
I
worked for Alcatraz. The sunsets were to breathtaking looking out towards the Golden Gate Bridge. One
of
the things
I
miss about living in the city…

erexere

I
use to like that kind
of
thinking, Ace = 11 (in blackjack) Or 14 (in poker). To then apply that numeric to anything is only as good as a random act unless there’s already some strong lean towards Presidents for this puzzle. Is that the case here?

The “J” rose on the table and the vine to the right with the shape
of
a “3” is for Jefferson St. which is on the North side
of
NMP. Thomas Jefferson was the 3rd President
of
the United States. Priess found a good way to work them into this Puzzle.

Tamaari,
I
like your thinking with the Lighthouse on Alcatraz. That is definitely a giant pole but my first thought was the old smokestack that used to be standing at the SF Pumping station #2. Turns out that was removed in 1976 so depending on when Priess did this puzzle that stack may have been gone. While
I
was looking for an answer to Giant Pole Giant Step the only answers
I
came up with for the pole were Smokestack, Lighthouse or one
of
the Speaker Towers themselves.

Regarding the letter “M” in her hair curl,
I
always took that to mean Maritime,…but then again, it could be a “W” depending on your interpretation.

Durian, well done on all this good visual reference to your solve.
As for my “ace is high”….that is what I interpret James Polk to be. An ace that is low is a “one” in cards, an ace that is high is 11 in cards. I know you know that but the entire segment is about Polk. Near just means that Polks street is near the Speaker Towers at the NMP.

Durian, great job on the map outline. A problem which maltedfalcon brought to my attention a long time ago was that after you use up most of the lines getting from one place to another, you now have too little instruction remaining to isolate the dig spot. I suspect more is going on with these verses than just a long walkabout.

Durian,
Great work looking for identifiers.
I
think a lot
of
the items aren’t half bad. There’s a few that leave me scratching my head. Calling Ace is high a single point by definition seems hasty. Overall, not too shabby.
I
like the blog except it gets a little too sure
of
itself.
I
think we still need to work with the ideas.
Good luck!

Okay, but
I
don’t question the definition,
I
question the hastiness
of
attributing the term to any other thing that fits the definition. Shouldn’t it be better to get to the answer for why the puzzle calls for such a line?
I
‘m totally unsure
of
how to proceed here, so take this with a grain
of
salt. Could it be that we have to think “poker”, suggesting that we are looking for something to do with card playing or perhaps an actual fire place, as in a hot poker?
I
‘ve had many other ideas in the past, but it’s always a weak kind
of
fit. Could it be suggesting we look for a “King road”, since the K card is near or closest to the Ace High in value? Or numerically, it’s conceivable that Ace is high represents the number 14, so if this should be a street reference or golf course hole reference, then the nearest other thing would be the number 13 or 15.
I
kinda like the King idea.

Well, I stand corrected. You may be onto something after all.

Well,
I
stand corrected. You may be onto something after all.

Unknown

Unknown:
First  – you said a rectangle is a rectangle… not true, while the all have 4 90 degee angles and 4 sides, the length and widths  can differ. Go back to high school geometry if you can scale the width or length of a rectangle  to match another rectangle and then the adjacent side equals the adjacent side on the other rectangle, these rectangles are said to be similar….
thats a fancy way of saying if you overlay one rectangle on another and shrink or expand it until one side matches, – if all the other sides match. they are similar.. Try this out using photoshop or a similar programs you can overlay the images and then make the top one semi transparent.
The rectangle on the dress matches the outline of GG park. try it….
So right there are 8 points of resemblance 4 corners and 4 matching sides…

Unknown

Unknown:
Next notice the G h at the top of the rectangle is mirrored… So what the heck mirror the rectangle from thr dess image – now the G h reads left to right…
look at the road sitting under the G h…. Can you read it?  Yes it says Great Highway

Unknown

Unknown:
Hey notice the loop in the dragon now matches the location and shape of strawberry hill an island in a lake in the park.

Unknown

Unknown:
examine her arms, can you describe them? how about crossed over… what is the name of the main street across the park,
yes its cross over drive,  (which also happens to be highway 1)

Unknown

Unknown:
Then there is the silhouette in the image is it lincoln or JFK – -I am not sure kind of looks like both…
anyway the street to the south of the park is lincoln and the road through the center of park is jfk

Unknown

Unknown:
the look under the wing of the dragon matches the location of the polo field….

Unknown

Unknown:
and there is more.
does that mean the location of the casque is in GG park ? abosolutely not….
as also hidden in the image is a map of fort Point at the golden gate. and a street map of the area south of coit tower….

Unknown

Unknown:
did I convince you?

Thanks maltedfalcon, but I remain very difficult to convince. Permit me to erode your certainty…
I agree that rectangles that are similar (in the geometric sense) would be a point in your favor, but I disagree that these particular rectangles are similar. As I said almost 3 years ago, “As for GG Park, we have the possible outline of one of the lakes, and I’ll admit that the rectangular portion of her robe is evocative of GG Park turned on its side, but the dimensions (ratio of width to length) are off by more than you’d expect if one was a representation of the other (ratios 1:4.9 vs. 1:6.2).” That’s quite a large difference. With a shape as ubiquitous as a rectangle, for it to represent something important, its dimensions would need to be
exactly
similar.
Simplicity itself. I believe the “Gh” to be a reference to Ghirardelli Square. Not only is the font the same, but unlike most instances of important letters, the Gh of Ghirardelli Square happen to be readable from behind and from very far away. They are giant letters propped up on top of a building. Anyone looking at them from anywhere but the wharf (i.e., most of San Francisco) would see them spelled out backwards in that very font.
If we’re talking about the same loop, it also looks strikingly like the mis-aligned Telegraph Hill on a street map of northeast San Francisco.
I’ll give you that, but I don’t give the Highway 1 reference any weight.
That would be important… if the silhouette is either JFK or Lincoln, which it could be.
Can you elaborate? I don’t quite see this.
Fort Point I’ll agree with, and the Coit Tower reference.
Not fully.
P.S. Scott – Forest Blight is most assuredly a “he.”

Unknown

Unknown:
First  – you said a rectangle is a rectangle… not true, while the all have 4 90 degee angles and 4 sides, the length and widths  can differ. Go back to high school geometry if you can scale the width or length
of
a rectangle  to match another rectangle and then the adjacent side equals the adjacent side on the other rectangle, these rectangles are said to be similar….
thats a fancy way
of
saying if you overlay one rectangle on another and shrink or expand it until one side matches, – if all the other sides match. they are similar.. Try this out using photoshop or a similar programs you can overlay the images and then make the top one semi transparent.
The rectangle on the dress matches the outline
of
GG park. try it….
So right there are 8 points
of
resemblance 4 corners and 4 matching sides…

Unknown

Unknown:
Next notice the G h at the top
of
the rectangle is mirrored… So what the heck mirror the rectangle from thr dess image – now the G h reads left to right…
look at the road sitting under the G h…. Can you read it?  Yes it says Great Highway

Unknown

Unknown:
Hey notice the loop in the dragon now matches the location and shape
of
strawberry hill an island in a lake in the park.

Unknown

Unknown:
examine her arms, can you describe them? how about crossed over… what is the name
of
the main street across the park,
yes its cross over drive,  (which also happens to be highway 1)

Unknown

Unknown:
Then there is the silhouette in the image is it lincoln or JFK – –
I
am not sure kind
of
looks like both…
anyway the street to the south
of
the park is lincoln and the road through the center
of
park is jfk

Unknown

Unknown:
the look under the wing
of
the dragon matches the location
of
the polo field….

Unknown

Unknown:
and there is more.
does that mean the location
of
the casque is in GG park ? abosolutely not….
as also hidden in the image is a map
of
fort Point at the golden gate. and a street map
of
the area south
of
coit tower….

Unknown

Unknown:
did
I
convince you?

Thanks maltedfalcon, but
I
remain very difficult to convince. Permit me to erode your certainty…
I
agree that rectangles that are similar (in the geometric sense) would be a point in your favor, but
I
disagree that these particular rectangles are similar. As
I
said almost 3 years ago, “As for GG Park, we have the possible outline
of
one
of
the lakes, and
I
‘ll admit that the rectangular portion
of
her robe is evocative
of
GG Park turned on its side, but the dimensions (ratio
of
width to length) are off by more than you’d expect if one was a representation
of
the other (ratios 1:4.9 vs. 1:6.2).” That’s quite a large difference. With a shape as ubiquitous as a rectangle, for it to represent something important, its dimensions would need to be
exactly
similar.
Simplicity itself.
I
believe the “Gh” to be a reference to Ghirardelli Square. Not only is the font the same, but unlike most instances
of
important letters, the Gh
of
Ghirardelli Square happen to be readable from behind and from very far away. They are giant letters propped up on top
of
a building. Anyone looking at them from anywhere but the wharf (
i
.e., most
of
San Francisco) would see them spelled out backwards in that very font.
If we’re talking about the same loop, it also looks strikingly like the mis-aligned Telegraph Hill on a street map
of
northeast San Francisco.
I
‘ll give you that, but
I
don’t give the Highway 1 reference any weight.
That would be important… if the silhouette is either JFK or Lincoln, which it could be.
Can you elaborate?
I
don’t quite see this.
Fort Point
I
‘ll agree with, and the Coit Tower reference.
Not fully.
P.S. Scott – Forest Blight is most assuredly a “he.”

Unless you drank from the Fountain of youth FB.  Just ask Stercox! See what happened to her.

Unless you drank from the Fountain
of
youth FB.  Just ask Stercox! See what happened to her.

Well I think the ratio is not exact but close enough.

Well
I
think the ratio is not exact but close enough.

Actually if you mirror the image of the dress it lines up almost exactly.
look at the Right hand lower side of the rectangle on the dress
you will notice it is not exactly square-  it flares out a little.
amazingly when you mirror the dress the flare matches exactly the angle of the park map… (not close, exact)
Now remember there was an official park map that  was given out at kiosks and information desks through the park in the 80s and early 90s,  The last time I went the park map had been modernized – made much more iconic. bigger lines, easier to read fonts etc…
It was that original map that lined up perfectly with the outline on the dress (when mirrored.) I would be willing to bet BP took one of those maps home with him…
It was also that map, which had the image of the lake, (the south end of North lake, from that map matched the strange blue shape in image 1…) unfortunately North lake has been remodeled (drained and bulldozed) several times since the late 80s and the current shape is a bit different. (one of the legs is bent at a different angle now)
Lastly FB I want to thank you, you made me notice something today… I had always wondered why the crossed over arms didn’t line up with cross over drive.
So I was messing about with it in photo shop and i cut and dragged the arms down to line up on crossover drive, (when I did the pearl in the image was in the piece I cut and pasted….
Once the arms are  lined up with crossover drive. guess where the pearl ended up?
on top of the location of the Goddess of the Forest Totem Pole…. weird huh…
Anyway I would love to be 100% completely wrong… because if I’m right, the casque was destroyed when an irrigation line was run through about 10 years ago exactly 1 yard in front of the totem poles base…
There are some loose ends…
but I dont feel there is any question the rectangle on the dress represents GG park,  As always that could simply mean San Francisco, not GG park, the key is Which verse…

Actually if you mirror the image
of
the dress it lines up almost exactly.
look at the Right hand lower side
of
the rectangle on the dress
you will notice it is not exactly square-  it flares out a little.
amazingly when you mirror the dress the flare matches exactly the angle
of
the park map… (not close, exact)
Now remember there was an official park map that  was given out at kiosks and information desks through the park in the 80s and early 90s,  The last time
I
went the park map had been modernized – made much more iconic. bigger lines, easier to read fonts etc…
It was that original map that lined up perfectly with the outline on the dress (when mirrored.)
I
would be willing to bet BP took one
of
those maps home with him…
It was also that map, which had the image
of
the lake, (the south end
of
North lake, from that map matched the strange blue shape in image 1…) unfortunately North lake has been remodeled (drained and bulldozed) several times since the late 80s and the current shape is a bit different. (one
of
the legs is bent at a different angle now)
Lastly FB
I
want to thank you, you made me notice something today…
I
had always wondered why the crossed over arms didn’t line up with cross over drive.
So
I
was messing about with it in photo shop and
i
cut and dragged the arms down to line up on crossover drive, (when
I
did the pearl in the image was in the piece
I
cut and pasted….
Once the arms are  lined up with crossover drive. guess where the pearl ended up?
on top
of
the location
of
the Goddess
of
the Forest Totem Pole…. weird huh…
Anyway
I
would love to be 100% completely wrong… because if
I
‘m right, the casque was destroyed when an irrigation line was run through about 10 years ago exactly 1 yard in front
of
the totem poles base…
There are some loose ends…
but
I
dont feel there is any question the rectangle on the dress represents GG park,  As always that could simply mean San Francisco, not GG park, the key is Which verse…

I think the font ties it to SF through Gherardelli square’s sign
But I think the fact that if you lay the map of golden gate park onto the dress.
the curve of the neckine and the G h fall directly onto the Great Highway, probably are street clues.
In the cleveland picture was a triangle to connect to Euclidian geometry – Euclid ave borders the park
as was the Bell and flower, bell flower ave borders the park…
Congress is a street referenced in the chicago verse…
I think the GH represents the great highway
The lincoln/JFK silouhette refers to the lincoln ave and jfk Blvld
which effectively surrounds GGpark (including the tea garden)

now you have my respect , besides all the thoughtful solutions, this positive attitude is priceless.
SF is huge, have you ever consider the SF ZOO?
it’s on
G
reat
H
wy, it has a water fall, and Dahlia garden full of roses, next to a REAL cable car in the children’s playground. stone wall everywhere, it has more statues than anywhere in SF.
Very Chinese related, Su Lin was the first ever that come to America, landing in San Francisco 80 years ago. In case you don’t know, Chinese call the pandas “National Treasure”
Also we have this famous Blue Snake, and so many things I’m sure you could come up with a brilliant solution out of.
most importantly , that shape of the zoo….
I just don’t want to pay the entrance fee that’s why I forfeit it
Hey, maybe you see things we don’t, who knows,
I ain’t kidding, look

did maltedfalcon just say its not in ggp? lollll literally everything points you to ggp. or you dont know what youre doing and are seriously forcing everything to fit your assumed guess.

JoshCornell

did maltedfalcon just say its not in ggp? lollll literally everything points you to ggp. or you dont know what youre doing and are seriously forcing everything to fit your assumed guess.

As evidenced by your successful digs.

It’s not in ggp

Durian

Looking at the image, I think it’s pretty clear the dig spot is against a low wall (like the one the woman is standing in front of) and near the 1,600+ blue tiles, like the tiles that make up the dragon in the dress. I think this was essentially one of the photos Preiss gave JPP for the painting:

Durian, I like the comparison to the squares in the woman’s sleeves a lot, but since you are calling them “tiles”, I’m not sure you understand what they are. These are actually skylights for the lower level of the museum. This level runs under the entire area, including the bleachers. According to page 12 of this report, the soil is only 2 feet deep.
https://archive.org/details/AquaticPark … FocusedHSR
In 2006 the museum closed for 3 years and was completely refurbished. During this time, the skylights were replaced, but every effort was made to have them match the originals. The bleachers were redone and the lawn and the shrubs were replanted, including the ones along that top wall. Also, a new irrigation system was installed.
Here is more information
http://www.ournationalparks.us/west/san … time_park/
This photo shows the repair work on the east bleachers. There’s your white wall along the top. See? There just doesn’t seem to be much room for anything to be buried between the top and lower level.
I’m sure a great deal of this area must have been dug up during those 3 years. The report I linked above suggests that it would be necessary to remove 1 foot of soil from the lawn during the renovations. It is still possible that a casque could be buried there, I suppose, but with all the changes, it could easily have been uncovered or damaged during that time.
Here is the landscaping company’s website. Maybe they could give you some more information. Perhaps they found an odd box (or pieces of one) and just didn’t know what to make of it.
https://pgadesign.com/projects/san-fran … me-museum/

Rviewer1, great story. Good luck in your probery. Keep the car running.

Yeah, just remember yall,
RUN IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS!

In July hopefully the first or second weekend I’m going to be doing some probing along with a boroscope. I was just at the area which is close to the cliff house up at Sutro Heights. Yeah I know it is out of bounds but if the NPS does catch me at least I will have a good story to tell. Just like others on this forum who are all certain in their solutions I’m certain on mine whichI posted a number if pages back on this thread.
I do know that this area would have been open territory for BP back in 1981 and there would not have been any reason to stop him from burying it there. My solution takes me two a 2 foot area. But there has been a small amount of some slippage in since 1981. So I might had to do a couple more probes. That could mean that the casque may be buried closer to the surface. If so then we may be digging even though the first trip was meant to probe and if we got what we were looking for
we would come back a second time and dig. I hope those Park Rangers have uniforms because I will have people on the perimeter as look outs.
This is something that I and another member of this forum have to do since BP could have very well buried it there.
I remember when I was going to college in the Bay Area and was pledging a fraternity. During Hell Week on the very last day they sent us into the city on a scavenger hunt. The president of the frat wanted to doorman’s hat from the Fairmont Hotel and asked me to get it personally. At the college I went to I was on the track team. Back in those day’s we ran yards not meters. I ran the 440 and the 880 and was pretty good at it so I thought I would sneak up on the doorman and grab the hat and run leaving the old guy behind. As it turned out the doorman was neither old nor slow. I had my car parked about a mile away. For the first couple hundred yards the guy was right on my tail. So I put the after burners on and the guy started to drop back a little. I had my Butch Cassidy moment thinking “who is this guy”. I thought I finally lost him and my fellow pledge buddy had my car running and I jumped in and we took off. Unfortunately for me the guy got my license plate number. I later found out that the guy ran the mile for another college in the Bay Area.
Later that night my parents got a call saying my car was just used in a theft in San Francisco. To cut to the chase was that I had to return the hat the following Monday morning or they would press charges. The frat president was none to pleased.
So I’m looking forward to the challenge.

Good thing you pre-announced your intentions so the rangers WILL be looking for you! Well at least you get free soup for you!

Choice

Good thing you pre-announced your intentions so the rangers WILL be looking for you! Well at least you get free soup for you!

I going to call the the operation Ocean’s Beach 11.
I like soup.

You got 10 people tagging along?
OMG we got Alexa [bot] spying on us.

MrBackstop

I see them as Aquatic Pier and Alcatraz.

i dont.

Sorry I don’t have much to offer on this one, but I do have a few unconnected thoughts maybe worth sharing.
First, I think it’s pretty well established that this
has
to be San Francisco. The following latitudes and longitudes can be found in various places in the image:
37 – hair (left)
38 – hair (right) and sleeve
122 – clothing (right)
123 – clothing (left)
SF is located at 37’45” N 122’27” W.
There is what appears to be an octopus head, upside-down, just below her wrists and between the dragon’s wings.
We never did find out what happened re maltedfalcon’s March 28 dig announcement. Falcon?
Aces88 is right – The “Gh” look exactly like the ones in the Image 1. I noticed that there is a clock tower in the SE corner of Ghirardelli Square (b. 1911), but the clock face bears no resemblance to the clock in the picture.
(Going to the Ghirardelli website made me really want chocolate, but all I have in my house are miniature Reese’s cups – a far cry, I think…)
All 12 pictures have a birth flower in them. More often than not, I’m guessing, this has no significance. However, the Cleveland picture’s daffodil was used as part of the “Bellflower” rebus. The rose in Pic 1 looks suspiciously like part of a rebus to me, especially with that weird stem. What could it mean?
The Golden Gate Park, Ghirardelli Square, and Cliff House solutions all match some of the clues, but not all of the clues. For example, if the casque really is buried in Ghirardelli Square (as the Gh would suggest), why would an abstract representation of Golden Gate Park be necessary? And vice versa. None of the suggested solutions accounts for the barred window.
Several agreed that the blue shape on the left looks like North Lake in Golden Gate Park. I found some map images of North Lake that don’t look anything like it:
And finally, because a picture is worth 1000 words…

Sorry
I
don’t have much to offer on this one, but
I
do have a few unconnected thoughts maybe worth sharing.
First,
I
think it’s pretty well established that this
has
to be San Francisco. The following latitudes and longitudes can be found in various places in the image:
37 – hair (left)
38 – hair (right) and sleeve
122 – clothing (right)
123 – clothing (left)
SF is located at 37’45” N 122’27” W.
There is what appears to be an octopus head, upside-down, just below her wrists and between the dragon’s wings.
We never did find out what happened re maltedfalcon’s March 28 dig announcement. Falcon?
Aces88 is right – The “Gh” look exactly like the ones in the Image 1.
I
noticed that there is a clock tower in the SE corner
of
Ghirardelli Square (b. 1911), but the clock face bears no resemblance to the clock in the picture.
(Going to the Ghirardelli website made me really want chocolate, but all
I
have in my house are miniature Reese’s cups – a far cry,
I
think…)
All 12 pictures have a birth flower in them. More often than not,
I
‘m guessing, this has no significance. However, the Cleveland picture’s daffodil was used as part
of
the “Bellflower” rebus. The rose in Pic 1 looks suspiciously like part
of
a rebus to me, especially with that weird stem. What could it mean?
The Golden Gate Park, Ghirardelli Square, and Cliff House solutions all match some
of
the clues, but not all
of
the clues. For example, if the casque really is buried in Ghirardelli Square (as the Gh would suggest), why would an abstract representation
of
Golden Gate Park be necessary? And vice versa. None
of
the suggested solutions accounts for the barred window.
Several agreed that the blue shape on the left looks like North Lake in Golden Gate Park.
I
found some map images
of
North Lake that don’t look anything like it:
And finally, because a picture is worth 1000 words…

Wow!
That golden gate clue is right on.
BTW Its not the blue thing looks like north lake
its the blue shape looks like the south end
of
north lake.
or the section on your map which is under the words “North Lake”
and its not that it looks like the lake from a photograph
its that it looks exactly like that section
of
north lake, from the tourist map you can get in the park
that was available in the 1980s  like it was traced.
The current map is a little different as is the shape
of
the lake
well actually there is  no lake there at all right now. its all drained dirt and being renovated.

Wow!
That golden gate clue is right on.
BTW Its not the blue thing looks like north lake
its the blue shape looks like the south end of north lake.
or the section on your map which is under the words “North Lake”
and its not that it looks like the lake from a photograph
its that it looks exactly like that section of north lake, from the tourist map you can get in the park
that was available in the 1980s  like it was traced.
The current map is a little different as is the shape of the lake
well actually there is  no lake there at all right now. its all drained dirt and being renovated.

oh sorry,
no news is bad news-
found nothing. hit a 100 year old cast iron pipe – that got my pulse going….
but didnt find anything…

I am certain that it has been suggested the 38 refers to one of the bounding latitudes of SF (37 and 38). Now, given that 38 is already in her hair and there is no need for a second one, you are right that there may be some other/further significance to her sleeves.

Hi all. After 13 years around but not in San Francisco, I recently moved from the SF Bay Area down to LA for my job. I am still bummed that there’s clearly something in SF which can’t be found, even though so many people seem so close to finding it.
I went through the thread (32 pages, yowza) and may have missed this, but…her sleeves have blue squares around the cuffs. They are not equal — 18 squares on one arm, 20 on the other. I was trying to find some significance to the year 1820, but not much luck, other than people existed in SF then.
Her fingers point to the bottom of the eighth square on one arm and the bottom of the fifth square on another (or perhaps the top of the tenth square and the top of the 7th square). Unless, of course, this too is reversed and the right sleeve in the portrait should be viewed first, making her appear to point to squares 6 and 7 — 1967 being the infamous Summer of Love, for which SF was the cultural center. Seems a long way to go for another SF confirmer, but I don’t currently have any other link that comes to mind.
Alternately, they are squares…or blocks. Could be a confirmer to the number of city blocks you have to travel in conjunction with the verse instructions? Seems a longshot.
Regardless, I don’t feel the squares being uneven is accidental, and I feel strongly that the hand placement is important and. Kit Williams taught me that much.
Has a significance of these sleeve elements been considered and I missed it? So many people have come up with so much plausible information it’s hard to imagine anything’s been overlooked, and I saw a few other notes on the sleeves and her hand positions (outline of CA, among others) but I haven’t seen too much discussion on my points.

Can someone measure the circumfrence of the pool in the parking lot of the Palace of the Legion of Honor?
I’m doing a simulation with soccer practice cones to verify a specific use of perspective angle to deterimine a distance needed to find the casque at that location.

Perhaps my exact scale model of the site out of modeling clay and a desk lamp as the sun is a bit much. I still can’t find the tiny casque I buried.

Fox — you probably dug down only 2mm. Try 3.5mm.

lol…..I’m having trouble finding a tiny shovel that big FB.

Modeling clay is really spendy.  Play-doh is the next best thing.

Here are some correlations between the symbols and the image in the same general area:
Grace cathedral (cross + square/triangle symbol)
1000 California St. (2 mirrored half-circles)
1000 Mason St. (2 triangles + 4 circles)

erexere

I’m not definite of this, but I think the original marker was in place in 1980 along with the Betsy Ross flag pole.  It may have suffered vandalsm at some point, been stolen or broken.

the marker was removed by the groundskeepers after it fell over (probabably bumped by a car and then it was placed in storage.
We aren’t exactly sure when this happened.  but the groundskeepers believe it was in the late 70s. This concurs with what the people at the lincoln highway association believe
They still have the original

I read that they are seven feet long.  Looks like they had to dig a hole 3 feet down to get them set.  Crazy SF drivers!

Unknown

Unknown:
The replica marker was placed in 2002 during the revitalized Lincoln Highway Association’s 10th Annual National Convention by the Association’s California Chapter.

This
article
had me wondering.
Also the Wiki on Lincoln Park says the replica marker was placed in 2002.
I like to reconfirm anything reported by the Lincoln Highway Association whether their response is with respect to the first location, second location, or replica of the marker at the second location.

I have a copy of the Lincoln Highway Association History of the Lincoln Highway. SF to Truckee.
I will look it up. but I think  it was written before 2002.

The Innocents’ Abroad, by Twain, contains this line:
no other object can chain your whole attention.
Referring to the Milan Cathedral
Now, we already knew that ten years ago. Here’s the thing I found which I think may be new(at least it seems to be according to the search bar)
DeYoung Museum has an etching of the Milan Cathedral.
https://art.famsf.org/ladislaus-rupp/il … 9633034185
Got to commute, but then I’ll hit up that department and see if they know if it was on display in 1980

treetops

This is the cross section of a cable car rail, the kind of thing that would be part of any exhibit on cable cars or San Francisco transit:
You all know what I’m seeing here. Please, somebody talk me off of this ledge. Have we been down this road before?
Some more examples:

treetops, not sure what you are seeing or making a connection to here.

…listen…it’s a blob…but it’s not the blob…back away from the edge…

drunknerds

Great tip, thanks! I will make some calls tomorrow and see if I can get to the bottom of what is going on.

Argh! I’m on the road today and won’t be able to call the senior center.
Could someone please contact them and ask where they are digging? The info is here:
http://sfrecpark.org/destination/golden … or-center/

drunknerds

Great tip, thanks! I will make some calls tomorrow and see if I can get to the bottom of what is going on.

Argh! I’m on the road today and won’t be able to call the
senior
center.
Could someone please contact them and ask where they are digging? The info is here:
http://sfrecpark.org/destination/golden … or-center/

I listened to a podcast on Outsidelands.org about the Portals of the Past. After a long intro, they got into it. It was an interesting listen, and they mentioned that the historic photo of the Portal was something almost everyone in San Francisco had on the walls growing up.
http://www.outsidelands.org/podcast/WNP131_Portals_Past
Another interesting thing that jumped right out at me, is that during the conversation, they mentioned the robber barons of Nob Hill. The podcast was done in 2015 and this still seems to be part of the local lexicon. If we look at the Field Guide in the Secret, in the Philharmonic Orc section, robber barons are mentioned. In fact, I believe the entire entry is about SF. Specifically, the Masonic Center Auditorium, which sits on the same site as the old Alban Towne Mansion.
The Philharmonic Orc section also mentions: the nouveau riche of the main line (trains), wild frontier, and Barbary Coast. The Barbary Coast could be the historical reference to northern Africa, but it more likely a reference to San Francisco.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_C … _Francisco

drunknerds

Argh! I’m on the road today and won’t be able to call the senior center.
Could someone please contact them and ask where they are digging? The info is here:
http://sfrecpark.org/destination/golden … or-center/

Never mind, I freed up some time to call this afternoon. I’m the freak about the senior center, I should finish strong.

drunknerds

Argh! I’m on the road today and won’t be able to call the
senior
center.
Could someone please contact them and ask where they are digging? The info is here:
http://sfrecpark.org/destination/golden … or-center/

Never mind, I freed up some time to call this afternoon. I’m the freak about the
senior
center, I should finish strong.

Note on the senior center door yesterday said the work was on the driveway and would commence March 2 or 4 (yes, last week). Didn’t see anything chewed up except the turf where the backhoe and a smaller vehicle are.

Note on the
senior
center door yesterday said the work was on the driveway and would commence March 2 or 4 (yes, last week). Didn’t see anything chewed up except the turf where the backhoe and a smaller vehicle are.

treetops

Note on the senior center door yesterday said the work was on the driveway and would commence March 2 or 4 (yes, last week). Didn’t see anything chewed up except the turf where the backhoe and a smaller vehicle are.

Wonderful! Thank you for the update

treetops

Note on the
senior
center door yesterday said the work was on the driveway and would commence March 2 or 4 (yes, last week). Didn’t see anything chewed up except the turf where the backhoe and a smaller vehicle are.

Wonderful! Thank you for the update

drunknerds

Wonderful! Thank you for the update

I say you make your best guess and see if they will dig you a hole!

The theory is that since we read from left to right — instead of writing “H G” that would be way too obvious, he reversed the “G h” to show the correct position of the letters as a clue to switch the G and h. As a misdirection to Ghirardelli he made the “H” lower case.
As to sweet smell, you’re making the assumption that V7 is matched to I1. That is not settled.
BTW Rose Garden is right next door across the JFK Dr. for sweet smell.

I had a similar theory when I was a baby that got me to a different location.
Even to Coit tower and the counter clockwise running cars around the statue.
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&hilit=counter+clockwise+running&start=2602

bbi

… as it also appears to have the JJP initials on it

You could move that 2nd J over a bit and add the P.
Doesn’t that picket fence gate look like the wooden version of Chicago gate?
https://tinyurl.com/y5gkvz3k

So this may be the two branches of V
V for peace

bbi

I think someone else a while back had that same thought about the lantern (may have been Kang?) as it also appears to have the JJP initials on it.

Indeed I have mentioned it. Though not sure if I did here. Above is my take on it. Slight enhancement to bring out the signature a bit more. I’m no expert on his signature, but the swoop off the end of the ‘r’ didn’t seem to appear on any other examples I could find. I thought that odd and wondered why. Until I saw the lantern. Seems like it could be a stylized match to the table icon – with the signature as the base. (The table support also may appear to have a tea pot in it which would make sense with the lantern being in the tea garden).
Just my opinion. No angry letters please…

Unknown

Unknown:
But JM, Brett Zingler, and Burnstyle just went to where the best image match was, poked around the areas where it could be seen, and found an amazingly striking image match in the form of a weird column.

Scoreboard.

I’ll ask the question because I honestly don’t know the correct answer.
Is Bret the guy who created the thread last year with a NOLA solution? The one that contained pics with the match to the columns that were promptly removed? Then, if I recall, the thread was turned into a meat smoking recipe conversation.

Unknown

Unknown:
Is Bret the guy who created the thread last year with a NOLA solution?

Which one? By my count, there are at least 5 people who have claimed to know exactly where the casque is in New Orleans in the last year alone. Which is only a problem because by my reconning, the only thing all five places have in common is that they are all in New Orleans.
I think Bret posted here as roughdraft274. The thread he started is entitled “I Believe I’ve Solved New Orleans” and is currently at the bottom of Page 6 of this forum. The pictures of which you speak are on Page 9 of that thread. His theory, if I’m not mistaken, is what led JM and George to explore that patch of land next to Gallier Hall (across from Lafayette Square) and where George found the bits of plexiglass and ceramic.
Hope that helps.

That was the thread I was speaking of. The pics may be back, but I vividly remember them disappearing. Then the pulled pork convo began.
Since this was a scoreboard situation, I just wanted to make sure Roughdraft got his rightful credit. I have to admit, that was a pretty cool find when it started to unfold.

Durian

So we have in this one location:
1. A reversed “G” and “h”

Here’s something to consider: The theme of her robe is asian. You can see the arched gate Paifang in Chinese or Torii in Japanese right below the pearl.
Ghirardelli is certainly a San Francisco icon; so reversed Gh would be an automatic connection.
Lets just suppose the location is Hagiwara Garden and you want to insert a hint into the image. You could put H and G on top of the arch but what’s the fun of that!
How about revered GH for a bit of misdirection?

Choice

Here’s something to consider: The theme of her robe is asian. You can see the arched gate Paifang in Chinese or Torii in Japanese right below the pearl.
Ghirardelli is certainly a San Francisco icon; so reversed Gh would be an automatic connection.
Lets just suppose the location is Hagiwara Garden and you want to insert a hint into the image. You could put H and G on top of the arch but what’s the fun of that!
How about revered GH for a bit of misdirection?

Although BP seems to have always used upper case for proper names so, why would he use a lower case h for Hagiwara?

maltedfalcon

Although BP seems to have always used upper case for proper names so, why would he use a lower case h for Hagiwara?

As I mentioned, for a bit of misdirection. And it would be way too obvious clue if he did use H.

So…..Today at the Senior Center…….
https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/40888879121/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/40181116194/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/39079217570/in/dateposted-public/
Looks like you can rule out a giant step from the pole, way to many pipes in all direction behind and most likely in front of the pole.

Goonie68

So…..Today at the Senior Center…….
https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/40888879121/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/40181116194/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/39079217570/in/dateposted-public/
Looks like you can rule out a giant step from the pole, way to many pipes in all direction behind and most likely in front of the pole.

Thanks for taking these photos. Did you ask the workers if they found a weird box, lol?

Goonie68

So…..Today at the Senior Center…….
https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/40888879121/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/40181116194/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/39079217570/in/dateposted-public/
Looks like you can rule out a giant step from the pole, way to many pipes in all direction behind and most likely in front of the pole.

Incredible work, thank you. Whoever solves SF, YOU deserve top mention.
However, I have to ask: Why did you say “looks like you can rule out a giant step from the pole,” when all of your pictures show the entire East side, my solve, completely intact?
Edit : oh, and by my solve, I mean “ that one thing I came up with after goonie and malted did 99% Of the solve”

drunknerds

Incredible work, thank you. Whoever solves SF, YOU deserve top mention.
However, I have to ask: Why did you say “looks like you can rule out a giant step from the pole,” when all of your pictures show the entire East side, my solve, completely intact?
Edit : oh, and by my solve, I mean “ that one thing I came up with after goonie and malted did 99% Of the solve”

Eh-hemm…

From what I could tell there are water lines that run towards the flag pole from the water main in the cage.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/40890880141/in/dateposted-public/

Fear not,
the Aids Memorial Grove already exists,
they are tallking about adding stuff to the already exisiting memorial
not enlarging it, but building inside.
and its at the other end of the park from where I will be digging.

Fear not,
the Aids Memorial Grove already exists,
they are tallking about adding stuff to the already exisiting memorial
not enlarging it, but building inside.
and its at the other end
of
the park from where
I
will be digging.

maltedfalcon

Fear not,
the Aids Memorial Grove already exists,
they are tallking about adding stuff to the already exisiting memorial
not enlarging it, but building inside.

maltedfalcon

and its at the other end of the park from where I will be digging.

great news!
and also great news!  will say a prayer to the buried casque gods for you falcon……….Good Luck!

maltedfalcon

Fear not,
the Aids Memorial Grove already exists,
they are tallking about adding stuff to the already exisiting memorial
not enlarging it, but building inside.

maltedfalcon

and its at the other end
of
the park from where
I
will be digging.

great news!
and also great news!  will say a prayer to the buried casque gods for you falcon……….Good Luck!

You know, I walked right past the Park Emergency Hospital and even took a few photos of that entrance, and did not even consider the bars as possibly relating to the bars on the cliff in the image.
I will have to get my photos in order. I have some recent ones from the Cliff House area and the totem pole.

did anyone ever dig in the moon garden? i love that “Giant step” reference to the moon landing.
i did have another idea for the word “Giant” if it didn’t have to do with the moon gardens or a long pole, and that is maybe to the Giant of the fair people, under “Economic”………..but it’s just a thought
bclews did you ever poke around the totem pole at the beach?
“Running north, but first across” , i saw where everyone mentioned crossover dr. but didn’t see anyone mention the Prayerbook Cross:
http://www.mistersf.com/high/index.html?highggprose.htm
i think i might have found the window, what do you think? it’s a landmark….
click on it to see the bars
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= … l%26sa%3DN

maltedfalcon–
Is there any way you can indicate which verse you are using.
I
am far from San Fran and seeking another treasure and
I
would be greatly assisted by a process
of
elimination.
But, if you do not want to reveal that info yet, then
I
understand.  Either way,
I
hope your hunt turns out well.
–Johann

maltedfalcon–
Is there any way you can indicate which verse you are using.  I am far from San Fran and seeking another treasure and I would be greatly assisted by a process of elimination.
But, if you do not want to reveal that info yet, then I understand.  Either way, I hope your hunt turns out well.
–Johann

For those
of
you reading this thread and not knowing where the “38” latitude is coming from, as Fox points out in another thread, it’s the number
of
boxes on her sleeve.
Good luck maltedfalcon!  Let us know what you find.

For those of you reading this thread and not knowing where the “38” latitude is coming from, as Fox points out in another thread, it’s the number of boxes on her sleeve.
Good luck maltedfalcon!  Let us know what you find.

I
didn’t mean to infer
I
found something totally hidden from the eye, you can still see it, but it was by using image manipulation that
I
finally clued in that it was there.
I
will share it, but first
I
am going to go to SF this week to check out my clues. and see if
I
can get a little closer.
matt Sparks

I didn’t mean to infer I found something totally hidden from the eye, you can still see it, but it was by using image manipulation that I finally clued in that it was there.
I will share it, but first I am going to go to SF this week to check out my clues. and see if I can get a little closer.
matt Sparks

Unknown

Unknown:
I
‘m not sure if this is correct or not, but an old thread on the American Treasure Hunt Society forum mentioned that this pictured referred to New York as the lady’s face is that
of
the Statue
of
Liberty.
Chris.

Actually the statue
of
Liberty picture is Pix 12

Unknown

Unknown:
I’m not sure if this is correct or not, but an old thread on the American Treasure Hunt Society forum mentioned that this pictured referred to New York as the lady’s face is that of the Statue of Liberty.
Chris.

Actually the statue of Liberty picture is Pix 12

Unknown

Unknown:
I
will share it, but first
I
am going to go to SF this week to check out my clues. and see if
I
can get a little closer.

This coming weekend?  May 15th?  Would you consider allowing two
of
your fellow hunters to tag along?  We (Dan Amrich and myself) would not try to steal your glory or your riches.  We live in the area and would be tickled to share only in the thrill
of
the chase.
I
‘ll volunteer to hold tools or take pictures.  And you never know whether an extra set
of
eyes and brains could help you.

Unknown

Unknown:
I will share it, but first I am going to go to SF this week to check out my clues. and see if I can get a little closer.

This coming weekend?  May 15th?  Would you consider allowing two of your fellow hunters to tag along?  We (Dan Amrich and myself) would not try to steal your glory or your riches.  We live in the area and would be tickled to share only in the thrill of the chase.  I’ll volunteer to hold tools or take pictures.  And you never know whether an extra set of eyes and brains could help you.

Tell you what,
Actually
I
‘ve been wishy washing back and forth about inviting you guys.
But
I
want to try it on my own first.
If
I
can’t get it wednesday – How about we pick another day and meet in SF
I
will go over my clues with you and we will see what we come up with.
Maltedfalcon
Matt Sparks
ps Im up past sacramento

Tell you what,
Actually I’ve been wishy washing back and forth about inviting you guys.
But I want to try it on my own first.
If I can’t get it wednesday – How about we pick another day and meet in SF I will go over my clues with you and we will see what we come up with.
Maltedfalcon
Matt Sparks
ps Im up past sacramento

wishy washy or not Matt, why not invite them along?  Egg found a casque and if you have the right locale but are missing one clue, maybe Cat or Dan may hold the piece
of
the puzzle missing.
If
I
ever am quite convinced
of
a location and there are other hunters in the area…..”The more, the merrier!”
Things have sure picked up a lot lately and as casques are found, others will be easier……….yahooo  😀  THE SECRET is finally revealing its secret…

wishy washy or not Matt, why not invite them along?  Egg found a casque and if you have the right locale but are missing one clue, maybe Cat or Dan may hold the piece of the puzzle missing.
If I ever am quite convinced of a location and there are other hunters in the area…..”The more, the merrier!”
Things have sure picked up a lot lately and as casques are found, others will be easier……….yahooo  😀  THE SECRET is finally revealing its secret…

Unknown

Unknown:
Tell you what,…
I
want to try it on my own first.
If
I
can’t get it wednesday – How about we pick another day and meet in SF
I
will go over my clues with you and we will see what we come up with.

Of
course, it’s your choice, since we still are not sure which verse you’re using for your clues.
I
myself have already experienced a real-world mini-treasure hunt, digging up a shard in The Journey hunt for The Stone.
http://www.thestone.com/
“buried clue”
On my little adventure,
i
made the mistake
of
rushing out the door without all my print-outs.
I
assumed
I
could go from memory, but when
I
got there all the trees looked alike.
I
*thought*
i
had the right bend in the path — and indeed later
i
found out that
i
was right — but could not determine where the X was to dig.  Two hours later, another player came along and HE had printouts!  We had never met before, not even online, but we became a team —
I
did have a shovel which he did not think to bring.
I
do think there was an extra benefit to having someone with me to share the thrill.  If you don’t want help solving this one — and
i
*totally* understand how that feels — at least bring along a family member or friend.  And beverages, bring beverages.
And a camera.  And print-outs
of
*everything* and/or the book itself. And a way to clean-up afterwards.
Have fun, make an adventure
of
it rather than a narrow task, and GOOD LUCK!

Unknown

Unknown:
Tell you what,… I want to try it on my own first.
If I can’t get it wednesday – How about we pick another day and meet in SF I will go over my clues with you and we will see what we come up with.

Of course, it’s your choice, since we still are not sure which verse you’re using for your clues.
I myself have already experienced a real-world mini-treasure hunt, digging up a shard in The Journey hunt for The Stone.
http://www.thestone.com/
“buried clue”
On my little adventure, i made the mistake of rushing out the door without all my print-outs.  I assumed I could go from memory, but when I got there all the trees looked alike.  I *thought* i had the right bend in the path — and indeed later i found out that i was right — but could not determine where the X was to dig.  Two hours later, another player came along and HE had printouts!  We had never met before, not even online, but we became a team — I did have a shovel which he did not think to bring.
I do think there was an extra benefit to having someone with me to share the thrill.  If you don’t want help solving this one — and i *totally* understand how that feels — at least bring along a family member or friend.  And beverages, bring beverages.
And a camera.  And print-outs of *everything* and/or the book itself. And a way to clean-up afterwards.
Have fun, make an adventure of it rather than a narrow task, and GOOD LUCK!

I found these San Francisco cable car photos in a 1981 National Parks Atlas. I thought that I would share.
Disclaimer: I don’t know anything about this puzzle and the photos provided are simply a courtesy to those who do. Enjoy.
https://imgur.com/gallery/1Y5VU8q

that first one looks like it might be the sign outside the bank by the whole foods about the history of cable cars.

BINGO

I found these San Francisco cable car photos in a 1981 National Parks Atlas. I thought that I would share.

For those of us with smaller monitors, links are preferred rather than embedding huge images.
https://imgur.com/gallery/1Y5VU8q
https://i.imgur.com/vTsw3Cr.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/tO7WUS3.jpg

catherwood

For those of us with smaller monitors, links are preferred rather than embedding huge images.

even for those of us with big multiple monitors!

There is an upside-down 87 in her hair, the opposite side from the 38 and lower.
Also, could the curved rose stem be a musical notation?  Is it called a clef note or something like that?  The music readers can clarify this.
–Johann

getting back to P1.  I had always assumed the rocky mounains in the background w/ the barred windows referred to Alcatraz – “the rock”…but, in using falcon’s theory of the P turned on it’s side which closely resembles GGpark, I noticed another possibility.  Keeping the P on it’s side, the rocky mountains would be to the west of the park.  Appx 30 west of SF (in pretty much a direct straight line) are the Farallon Islands.  http://gorp.away.com/gorp/resource/us_nwr/ca_faral.htmnotice the description of the Habitat : “211 acres of rocky islands.”  One shot of the islands is seen here:
http://www.getty.edu/art/collections/im … 211201.jpg
there is or was an old lighthouse situated on the island but I have yet to find anything that even closely resembles a barred window/door.
another possibility is more in the line of Cat’s theory near Hyde St pier.  Directly north of HSp is “the rock” and just past that is Angel Island.  There once was a prison on AI:  “the island’s west side has an extensive collection of restored barracks from the Civil War, and on the east side are the haunting remains of the prison-like buildings that were once used to hold Chinese immigrants,…” but I have yet to find pics of them.  It ties in nicely with the Chinese theme of the P.

We know that the old water tower in Chicago was in P5 and that the upsidedown-bldg outlined in trees in P4 was found in Cleveland…so…has anyone noticed the outline of the table holding the watch and the rose?  It looks like it could be of a bldg or something else nearby the site.   A very ifffy possibility would be a lantern in the Japanese Tea garden in GGpark.  There are numerous lanterns scattered throughout the park of varying sizes and shapes.  Here is one example:
http://www.inetours.com/images/Snglimgs … erFall.jpg
looks to me like it may be something else to be looked into..

it doesn’t match any of the lanterns in the tea garden
I drove around hoping to find a street clock or bell tower to match but I didn’t have any luck.
Highway 1 passes the rose garden in GG park

oh thats one other thing I wanted to point out.
pix 1 has a map of GG park as viewed from above
The chicago Pix has a outline of the
fountain
in grant park when viewed from above.
Does the cleveland pix have any possible arial imagery imbeded into it?

oh thats one other thing I wanted to point out.
pix 1 has a map of GG park as viewed from above
The chicago Pix has a outline of the fountain in grant park when viewed from above.
Does the cleveland pix have any possible arial imagery imbeded into it?

the hyde st area is a possibility no doubt
Gh for Ghirrardelli is possible
but when you line up the mirrored dragon and GGpark
the GH sits right beside the Great Highway
The lincoln outline and the GG park seems to me to point to the area south of the presidio not north.
BTW the cannery is brick not stone.
Still this could all be changed if the silohuette of the bldg/tower is north of the presidio.

Unknown

Unknown:
next to the lady on the left facing upward is a silouette of Abraham Lincoln.

GGP is also bordered on the south by Lincoln Way.  It is bordered on the north by Fulton St.  There is what appears to be another possible profile on her other side but whether it is Robert Fulton or not, who knows.

Well on Saturday I went to SF and checked out my ideas,
but no luck, So as promised I will know let you all know about what I’ve found.
Firstly take the rectangular panel with the dragon all the way up to the neckline then reverse it. (mirror the image)
If you can dig up a map of golden Gate Park in San Francisco
you can overlay the rectangle on the map and it fits exactly.
even some of the loops of the dragon match features in the park but the clincher is – the now forward G and H at the top of the image matches up with the street at that end of the park which is called the Great Highway.

Well on Saturday
I
went to SF and checked out my ideas,
but no luck, So as promised
I
will know let you all know about what
I
‘ve found.
Firstly take the rectangular panel with the dragon all the way up to the neckline then reverse it. (mirror the image)
If you can dig up a map
of
golden Gate Park in San Francisco
you can overlay the rectangle on the map and it fits exactly.
even some
of
the loops
of
the dragon match features in the park but the clincher is – the now forward G and H at the top
of
the image matches up with the street at that end
of
the park which is called the Great Highway.

next to the lady on the left facing upward is a silouette of Abraham Lincoln.
If you mirrored the picture that lincoln is on the same side of golden gate park as Lincoln heights.

next to the lady on the left facing upward is a silouette
of
Abraham Lincoln.
If you mirrored the picture that lincoln is on the same side
of
golden gate park as Lincoln heights.

the little lake shaped object next to the lady on the left,
sort of matches a lake in Golden Gate park
Now the question is which verse goes with this picture
…..
and the answer is ….
(or at least Im pretty sure)
one that nobody has suggested for san Francisco
Verse   7
go to that section and I will explain my thoughts

the little lake shaped object next to the lady on the left,
sort
of
matches a lake in Golden Gate park
Now the question is which verse goes with this picture
…..
and the answer is ….
(or at least Im pretty sure)
one that nobody has suggested for san Francisco
Verse   7
go to that section and
I
will explain my thoughts

not a problem
I think If It was greed I wouldn’t have posted at all.
I just would have kept my mouth shut and shadowed the board.
Its very close. I seriously think somebody should check out the hospital in Lincoln heigts it was the only large flagpole I could find in the area and from there
GG park, sutro Tower, the U of SF is all viewable
its possible the giant step is a planter box i.e. cleveland

Some kind of GATE thing ?
Weird shape on left hand side – middle:
A Backward “G” and “H” – and symbols (map symbols?):
A “Yin / Yang” symbol under crossed hands (right hand side):
A “38” on the right hand side of her hair:

Some kind
of
GATE thing ?
Weird shape on left hand side – middle:
A Backward “G” and “H” – and symbols (map symbols?):
A “Yin / Yang” symbol under crossed hands (right hand side):
A “38” on the right hand side
of
her hair:

nice finds Mr. Falcon.  They seem very solid to me.  With the asian theme and the small yin-yang symbol, maybe we should be checking around the tea garden.
My question, since you had all of these solid confirmers but not sure on the V, why oh why did you not invite others to help?  The only answer I can come up with I hope is not correct.
Looks like another P to focus on gang!

nice finds Mr. Falcon.  They seem very solid to me.  With the asian theme and the small yin-yang symbol, maybe we should be checking around the tea garden.
My question, since you had all
of
these solid confirmers but not sure on the V, why oh why did you not invite others to help?  The only answer
I
can come up with
I
hope is not correct.
Looks like another P to focus on gang!

clarify your question for me.
I am absolutely sure on the verse
Ive known it for a while
its verse 7
I said a few weeks ago I would post my ideas after I went and checked them out myself.
what answer do you suspect?

clarify your question for me.
I
am absolutely sure on the verse
Ive known it for a while
its verse 7
I
said a few weeks ago
I
would post my ideas after
I
went and checked them out myself.
what answer do you suspect?

Take it easy Mr. Falcon.  Ok, you want the answer?  GREED.  Why not invite others so close by to share in the adventure.  Maybe if they had been there, you GUYS could be sharing your discovery with the rest of us right now.
Enough said.  Let’s ALL get back to finding another casque, shall we?

Take it easy Mr. Falcon.  Ok, you want the answer?  GREED.  Why not invite others so close by to share in the adventure.  Maybe if they had been there, you GUYS could be sharing your discovery with the rest
of
us right now.
Enough said.  Let’s ALL get back to finding another casque, shall we?

I don’t think it is rbFox’s place to criticize maltedfalcon’s decision to work on his own for a bit.  The other two of us living in the SF area backed off willingly.  If we were concerned about losing out on the treasure, we would have raised a stink ourselves, or traveled there to beat him to it.
I looked at the verse on my own and came up with a different location.  I have not yet made the journey into the city, because I don’t think it ends in a specific enough location.
Here’s some rambling thoughts:
I’ll start with the assumption that the “sweet smell” is Ghirardelli chocolate factory — but it is good to keep in mind that the foundation here is weak, and another verse might still work.
“At stone wall’s door” — possibly The Cannery, it’s mostly new brick now, but maybe an original stone doorway or window frame exists, even better if it matches that one on the mountain in the image; this is located next to Ghirardelli Square.
“The air smells sweet” — this is possibly confirmed by the backwards “Gh-” in the picture, as it is not G.H. as an abbreviation would be.
“Not far away, High posts are three” — from Ghirardelli square, you can probably see the 3 masts of the Balclutha museum ship in the nearby Maritime Museum; this would also be an indication to walk in the direction of the Aquatic Park there too.
“Education and Justice, For all to see” — (haven’t found a use for this yet);
“Sounds from the sky” — I was thinking about the Golden Gate bridge, mere blocks away from the Aquatic Park; I haven’t spent much time at Fort Mason, but it is practically in the shadow of the bridge, which would be noisy with cars above (hard to confirm from the internet);
“Near ace is high” — (really no idea what this is, could be a large letter A on a sign or building, which I do see in online photos of Fort Mason);
“Running north” — which the GG bridge does,
“but first across”
“In jewel’s direction” — not sure if this is speaking of our buried gemstone or a location-specific item;
“Is an object, Of Twain’s attention” — according to one website there is a paddle boat wheel at the entrance to the Maritime Museum; sure Mark Twain liked river boats, but is this a case of me shoehorning the clues to fit a theory?
“Giant pole” — another boat mast? At this point we would need to be on solid ground near the final dig location, maybe a flagpole at the fort;
“Giant step” — (again, nothing specific to go on);
“To the place The casque is kept.” — the end.
So, I think we need to look at the Hyde Street Pier, possibly walking along the Aquatic Park, maybe as far as Fort Mason.  There are several styles of lamp posts along that route, one of which matches the spiral at the base of the flower stand in our image, and the table is sits on has a base which could also be in the shape of another lamp post.
Memorial Day weekend is coming up, which would give me more free time for explorations.

Unknown

Unknown:
not a problem
I think If It was greed I wouldn’t have posted at all.
I just would have kept my mouth shut and shadowed the board.

sorry about the accusation falcon.  it just seemed strange to me at the time….but now I understand.  maybe I should be apoligizing to cat as well with her response.  I’m not trying to ruffle any feathers here folks and hope we can shore up another casque together.
thanks for posting the ideas falcon & cat.  I still think falcon may be on the right track but who knows, cat has proven me wrong on numerous occasions in the past  😉

I’ve just updated my PDF version of the SF trail to include everything I can think of relating to Lafayette Park.
http://www.lemontiger.co.uk/images/misc/thesecret/sftrail.pdf
Now the sunny weather’s here, maybe you’d like to check it out Malted?
(Hey, I can dream.
)

I will throw this into the ring, ” At stone wall’s door” My inturpitation of this brings me to 6101
senior
center. The
Senior
center is a door within a stone wall, above the door is a phoenix that is one of the better match’s for the dragon in the image (head) in the illustration you have a Huge # 6 in the middle of the image, you can find two # 1’s and the upside down VI with a line on top and bottom ( do not resemble any numbers with attached lines on top and bottom) this could represent the letter N, In Roman numerals there is no 0, the romans used the letter N as nulla = nothing to describe the number 0 . In the image you 61 N 1.
Senior
Center with match of image to a visual plus the numbers in the image to confirm. With in the address you the numbers 101 which is a part of HWY 1 ( Ace) giving you a hint of the verse “Ace is high” as you approach cross over drive on the path to the casque.

I will throw this into the ring, ” At stone wall’s door” My inturpitation of this brings me to 6101 senior center. The Senior center is a door within a stone wall, above the door is a phoenix that is one of the better match’s for the dragon in the image (head) in the illustration you have a Huge # 6 in the middle of the image, you can find two # 1’s and the upside down VI with a line on top and bottom ( do not resemble any numbers with attached lines on top and bottom) this could represent the letter N, In Roman numerals there is no 0, the romans used the letter N as nulla = nothing to describe the number 0 . In the image you 61 N 1. Senior Center with match of image to a visual plus the numbers in the image to confirm. With in the address you the numbers 101 which is a part of HWY 1 ( Ace) giving you a hint of the verse “Ace is high” as you approach cross over drive on the path to the casque.

Durian I agree 100% . Do you have a solution coupling the image and verse? Unfortunately many of us don’t have the book to refer to .

Diceycat

Let me know what you think of this.
The lines “ Sounds from the sky = Galileo Academy of Science and tech
“Near Ace is high= the road in Fort Mason at the SE corner called Fort Mason 11 ( Ace is an eleven)
Running north but first across= directions from the Academy to this park location Fort Mason 11 area
Go down Franklin st. And what do you see but an object of Twain’s attention ( the sequoia tree ) and right close
To that is the Giant pole ( the flag pole ) and if you were to dig by it you would have to do a “ giant step away”
Since it has asphalt surrounding it what looks like 4 feet all the way around
So it could be there some where around the pole, ( it’s a big guess )
Pretty risky spot to be doing any kind of digging here , right by the park office.
All you have to do would be sync it with the image and that is difficult.
How about the the fingers are pointing to 3rd and 4th ave or is it 4th and 5th ave?,so the location is some where between the two streets in GGP

I like your ideas here Dicey. These puzzles are incredibly built and trying to dissect them is very entertaining. After learning more and more from the vets on these boards I’ve learned to try and go deep into meanings of the clever and not so clever words BP used. I’ll put this here for the first time:
Sounds from the sky
– Refers to the speaker towers in National Maritime Park
Near ace is high
– James Polk was the 11th President of the United States, Polk St runs into NMP
Running north but first across
– Polk St runs North into NMP but before that it is connected to 10th St that runs across part of the city.
My solve has the casque buried in the middle of NMP. It would have been an easy area to bury a casque and it was not taken control of by the National Parks until ’88.
As for her fingers, she is pointing to the 4th line on the left sleeve and 3rd on the right…..Pier 43

Diceycat

Let me know what you think of this.
The lines “ Sounds from the sky = Galileo Academy of Science and tech
“Near Ace is high= the road in Fort Mason at the SE corner called Fort Mason 11 ( Ace is an eleven)
Running
north but first across= directions from the Academy to this park location Fort Mason 11 area
Go down Franklin st. And what do you see but an object of Twain’s attention ( the sequoia tree ) and right close
To that is the Giant pole ( the flag pole ) and if you were to dig by it you would have to do a “ giant step away”
Since it has asphalt surrounding it what looks like 4 feet all the way around
So it could be there some where around the pole, ( it’s a big guess )
Pretty risky spot to be doing any kind of digging here , right by the park office.
All you have to do would be sync it with the image and that is difficult.
How about the the fingers are pointing to 3rd and 4th ave or is it 4th and 5th ave?,so the location is some where between the two streets in GGP

I like your ideas here Dicey. These puzzles are incredibly built and trying to dissect them is very entertaining. After learning more and more from the vets on these boards I’ve learned to try and go deep into meanings of the clever and not so clever words BP used. I’ll put this here for the first time:
Sounds from the sky
– Refers to the speaker towers in National Maritime Park
Near ace is high
– James Polk was the 11th President of the United States, Polk St runs into NMP
Running
north but first across
– Polk St runs North into NMP but before that it is connected to 10th St that runs across part of the city.
My solve has the casque buried in the middle of NMP. It would have been an easy area to bury a casque and it was not taken control of by the National Parks until ’88.
As for her fingers, she is pointing to the 4th line on the left sleeve and 3rd on the right…..Pier 43

Diceycat

Let me know what you think of this.
The lines “ Sounds from the sky =
Galileo
Academy of Science and tech
“Near Ace is high= the road in Fort Mason at the SE corner called Fort Mason 11 ( Ace is an eleven)
Running north but first across= directions from the Academy to this park location Fort Mason 11 area
Go down Franklin st. And what do you see but an object of Twain’s attention ( the sequoia tree ) and right close
To that is the Giant pole ( the flag pole ) and if you were to dig by it you would have to do a “ giant step away”
Since it has asphalt surrounding it what looks like 4 feet all the way around
So it could be there some where around the pole, ( it’s a big guess )
Pretty risky spot to be doing any kind of digging here , right by the park office.
All you have to do would be sync it with the image and that is difficult.
How about the the fingers are pointing to 3rd and 4th ave or is it 4th and 5th ave?,so the location is some where between the two streets in GGP

I like your ideas here Dicey. These puzzles are incredibly built and trying to dissect them is very entertaining. After learning more and more from the vets on these boards I’ve learned to try and go deep into meanings of the clever and not so clever words BP used. I’ll put this here for the first time:
Sounds from the sky
– Refers to the speaker towers in National Maritime Park
Near ace is high
– James Polk was the 11th President of the United States, Polk St runs into NMP
Running north but first across
– Polk St runs North into NMP but before that it is connected to 10th St that runs across part of the city.
My solve has the casque buried in the middle of NMP. It would have been an easy area to bury a casque and it was not taken control of by the National Parks until ’88.
As for her fingers, she is pointing to the 4th line on the left sleeve and 3rd on the right…..Pier 43

Again another wild guess for” Not far away high posts are three” could be referring to the football posts at the Galileo Academy football field and the 3 are the 3 sections of bleachers.