Again another wild guess for” Not far away high posts are three” could be referring to the football posts at the
Galileo
Academy football field and the 3 are the 3 sections of bleachers.

Durian all those links to the faces . Let me know what you think of this . Image 9 the face is that of Canadas’ glorious 1 st leader Sir John A McDonald hair, nose and all ( he was a bit of a boozer they say).

More thoughts here. How about Blue Playground in GGP as the final location ( looks like the area has been updated), I read he had a penchant for young children.
Well it is one of two locations, looking again at the rectangular shape in the image it could be section of the city between Larkin and VanNess with the curve at the top being the waterfront.

Mr. Backstop , I like that solve a lot. So the pole is that concrete tower in NMP?
The dragon looks like it could be made of stone with all those squares in there.

Durian
Let’s chew on this a second, considering our Russian lady…have you noticed how her head is shaped like an oval? To me this has a purpose, it is to represent the Bath House aka the Maritime Museum. I also see her garment as a robe ….think bath house.
Another thing about her index fingers, they are pointing to the 4th and 3rd lines but they (big picture) are also pointing to her sleeve cuffs. This is referencing the handcuffs the Alcatraz prisoners would have on when being transported.

Diceycat

Mr. Backstop , I like that solve a lot. So the pole is that concrete tower in NMP?
The dragon looks like it could be made of stone with all those squares in there.

Exactly….as far as I’m concerned the East Speaker Tower is the Dragon in Image 1.
http://www.waymarking.com/gallery/image … b350&gid=3

As far as the entry arch of Pier 43, I didn’t say it was a Stone wall, it is stone wall’s
door
….stone, as in, The Rock, as in Alcatraz. This was the prisoner’s doorway to board the police boat.

Here’s why My starting point is Pier 43 and how to easily tie it to NMP.
The San Francisco Belt Railroad was a short line that served the SF waterfront. It stopped being used in the ’80s after BP was there for The Secret. You can still see some of the rails on Jefferson St. The Belt went from West of Fort Mason, under the Fort in a tunnel and ran by the Maritime Museum along the waterfront and onto Jefferson toward the East.
After prisoners were processed (I believe at the Presido) they were put on a train that would go under Fort Mason, along NMP and down to Pier 43 (stone wall’s door). They would then breathe their last breath of the sweet smell of Freedom and head to the Rock.
Alcatraz is as iconic as it gets. That’s why this is my starting point.

Giant pole – smokestack of San Francisco Pumping station #2
Giant step – East Bleachers
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ca … _Francisco
)#/media/File%3ASan_Francisco_Fire_Dept_Pumping_Station_No_2.jpg

Yeah, the handcuffs are a stretch as my good friend Gman likes to say but I found it a fun possibility.

Goonie68

Curious to know what people think this is? Majority say strawberry? But………

Maybe what’s on top of these three high posts??..
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/ … to-3136817

Goonie68

Curious to know what people think this is? Majority say strawberry? But………

Maybe what’s on top
of
these three high posts??..
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/ … to-3136817

Choice

I was not sure since a lot of renovation has been done in that area including the statue base. so I wrote maybe. Do you have an image you could post?

I don’t, all I have was a “purposed” elevated architectural drawings for the 85’ renovation with written descriptions. No top views. I found some b&w ariel views of the area taken in 1984. And I’m sure you know the trees of those days were much bigger and it basically covers the entire back porch…can’t even see the trails.

Does the lions head and snake look kind of like a backwards G??….
https://www.artandarchitecture-sf.com/w … _36761.jpg

My point was “Strawberries” are RED, not blue.

Goldengate

That brings back memories, used to go past it every day on my way to school!
That said, in all the translations from the Japanese edition I’ve read, BP singled out the “high posts are three” as wooden posts. But the shape is cool… it’s widely known as a pinecone / artichoke finial (had a bunch at my old house).
Another aside: it’s awesome how all the molding is painted… too many old ornate public works buildings were slathered with the same monotoned paint. This is how it should be done!

Oh the pine cone of Belvedere… Here’s a long winded video about masons and Egypt and everything “batshit loco”!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L777RhL_Fz4&t=3611s

I am bored too so…!
[Edited multiple times]
The leg indicates the start and finish of the puzzle. The Gate is the start and the round handle on the left and the dark leaf on the right side together is the ending.
Here’s another way of looking at the table leg:

Keep going and I’ll start a spotify playlist.

burnstyle

Keep going and I’ll start a spotify playlist.

LOL, normally I like a playlist of songs that go together, but since this is all over the map, I would throw this on there:
Somebody’s always watching me – Rockwell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YvAYIJSSZY

burnstyle

Keep going and
I
‘ll start a spotify playlist.

LOL, normally
I
like a playlist
of
songs that go together, but since this is all over the map,
I
would throw this on there:
Somebody’s always watching me – Rockwell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YvAYIJSSZY

That’s a horrible song Tex. The only reason that song was a success was because MJ had a one liner in there. If you’re looking for a stalker song here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOGaugKpzs

atdreamer2112

Coolest FlyBy-Not Even a Song

Sometimes a flyby is just a flyby

Choice

I am bored too so…!
The leg indicates the start and finish of the puzzle. The Gate is the start and the round handle on the left and the dark leaf on the right side together is the ending.

If only the lower levels of the roof were there or the squiggle of the dragon on top. or even the fish actually looked like the fish…
it’s just there is not enough there to say “this looks like the gate” because we have seen lots of examples of things the gate has been suggested for.

Choice

I
am bored too so…!
The leg indicates the start and finish
of
the puzzle. The Gate is the start and the round handle on the left and the dark leaf on the right side together is the ending.

If only the lower levels
of
the roof were there or the squiggle
of
the dragon on top. or even the fish actually looked like the fish…
it’s just there is not enough there to say “this looks like the gate” because we have seen lots
of
examples
of
things the gate has been suggested for.

MERLIN

OH HELL NO!!……Lemme fix that for ya!…

Joe Sat is the man when it comes to guitar… Here he is with hair:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI57QHL6ge0

maltedfalcon

If only the lower levels of the roof were there or the squiggle of the dragon on top. or even the fish actually looked like the fish…
it’s just there is not enough there to say “this looks like the gate” because we have seen lots of examples of things the gate has been suggested for.

Looking closely at the two “fish” I can clearly see eyes on both. Also blue outline around them. Also got a pole in their mouth.

maltedfalcon

If only the lower levels
of
the roof were there or the squiggle
of
the dragon on top. or even the fish actually looked like the fish…
it’s just there is not enough there to say “this looks like the gate” because we have seen lots
of
examples
of
things the gate has been suggested for.

Looking closely at the two “fish”
I
can clearly see eyes on both. Also blue outline around them. Also got a pole in their mouth.

Choice

That’s a horrible song Tex. The only reason that song was a success was because MJ had a one liner in there. If you’re looking for a stalker song here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOGaugKpzs

I’m going to be the bigger person here. Did I malign you in some way, or do you just have a general disdain for people who happen to live in Texas? If I somehow offended you in your short time here, please let me know and I will apologize and we can move on. Otherwise, you have no need to respond to anything I post.

Choice

That’s a horrible song Tex. The only reason that song was a success was because MJ had a one liner in there. If you’re looking for a stalker song here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOGaugKpzs

I
‘m going to be the bigger person here. Did
I
malign you in some way, or do you just have a general disdain for people who happen to live in Texas? If
I
somehow offended you in your short time here, please let me know and
I
will apologize and we can move on. Otherwise, you have no need to respond to anything
I
post.

I’m just responding to your post and choice of song, nothing personal. You’re such a sensitive snowflake

I
‘m just responding to your post and choice
of
song, nothing personal. You’re such a sensitive snowflake

gManTexas

If I somehow offended you in your short time here, please let me know and I will apologize and we can move on …

Perhaps you are oblivious to your own tone of posts. I don’t want to go too far back but only recently you diminished people’s posts as “batshit loco” and made terroristic threat of violence by posting “I’ll bitch slap you from wherever”
Question is what kind of “Gman” are you? Gman as gangster or Gman as government worker? Are you a postal worker? Cause that may explain your going postal often.

gManTexas

If
I
somehow offended you in your short time here, please let me know and
I
will apologize and we can move on …

Perhaps you are oblivious to your own tone
of
posts.
I
don’t want to go too far back but only recently you diminished people’s posts as “batshit loco” and made terroristic threat
of
violence by posting “
I
‘ll bitch slap you from wherever”
Question is what kind
of
“Gman” are you? Gman as gangster or Gman as government worker? Are you a postal worker? Cause that may explain your going postal often.

Curious to know what people think this is? Majority say strawberry? But………

Goonie68

Curious to know what people think this is? Majority say strawberry? But………

This thing maybe? Frame of the painting is in the shape of the Coit observatory windows as if she’s standing in front of the window and describing what she’s seeing.

Goonie68

Curious to know what people think this is? Majority say strawberry? But………

This thing maybe? Frame
of
the painting is in the shape
of
the Coit observatory windows as if she’s standing in front
of
the window and describing what she’s seeing.

Choice

This thing maybe? Frame of the painting is in the shape of the Coit observatory windows as if she’s standing in front of the window and describing what she’s seeing.

looking down from the top of the tower in 1982, You will see something different, the “round” area was actually diamond shaped with a upper and lower area separated by 3 little steps.
You’ll need to use images before 85 as reference

Choice

This thing maybe? Frame
of
the painting is in the shape
of
the Coit observatory windows as if she’s standing in front
of
the window and describing what she’s seeing.

looking down from the top
of
the tower in 1982, You will see something different, the “round” area was actually diamond shaped with a upper and lower area separated by 3 little steps.
You’ll need to use images before 85 as reference

Goonie68

Crazy Train(OZZY) would be mine, cuz walking down the street with a probe, shove and a drill people look at you like YOU CRAZY!…….Well I AM!

Oh, that’s a good one! Since Gman asked for a “Headphones-On Playlist,” here’s what we’ve got so far:
1.) Counting Crows-Mrs. Potter’s Lullaby (in my defense, I was still Friday-night drinking at 4am Saturday morning; I’m too old for that shit! However, I love the song, so it makes it to the Unofficial Official Playlist “because I said so”)
https://youtu.be/Xdt58T366xw
2.) Roxette-The Look (but this metal cover version by Leo Moracchioli which is weird to watch but also kinda cool to listen to anyway, shared by Merlin)
https://youtu.be/tA0_vr_Ktl8
3.) Ozzy Osbourne-Crazy Train (Goonie68, you didn’t share a video link, so I picked one for you including Randy Rhoads because… respect)
https://youtu.be/H-PQeWJ2ZC8
4.) Coolest FlyBy-Not Even a Song (a video that Choice shared, I admit I was afraid to watch because I thought it might be schmuckery, turned out to be pretty amazing. I would edit it down to at least half-time for the “Headphones-On Unofficial Official Playlist,” and use it as a brief intro into the next song)
https://youtu.be/J4fo9xe5I-Y
5.) Humble Pie-30 Days in the Hole (should be the Headphones-On Unofficial Official Theme Song for the Secret, in my unbiased, unprofessional, not-so-humble-opinion)
https://youtu.be/sdXjm8pZMws

I was not sure since a lot of renovation has been done in that area including the statue base. so I wrote maybe. Do you have an image you could post?

I
was not sure since a lot
of
renovation has been done in that area including the statue base. so
I
wrote maybe. Do you have an image you could post?

Goldengate

After spending the past month shutting my mind off to Golden Gate Park theories to sincerely consider others’ hard-researched thoughts regarding other locations in relation to what we know about Cleveland and Chicago, I’m back to believing that this was intended to be a strawberry for Strawberry Hill. “Strawberry Hill” is listed very clearly on nearly every period map and sits in the center of the park — it’s a focal point.
Just looking at what we know about the Chicago and Cleveland images, details like this seem to be addressed in the same simple, yet slightly shrouded way: in Chicago: The fairy from the Spirit of the Lakes fountain, the bowman, the water tower, the fence. Cleveland: The pillars (front and back), the fountain, bas relief lion / water bowl, etc… all of these were recognizable without 1000x zooms and wondering if that one thing you think is an eye for months upon months only to realize it’s a pixel misprint. I”m more convinced than ever that the clues are right there, staring us in the face.
I’ll add one more piece to my theory about the sleeves with 18 and 20 blocks each representing 18th and 20th Avenues. What street runs BETWEEN 18th and 20th through the park? CROSSOVER Drive! The “lane” between those avenues include Crossover drive, the boathouse area on the Western edge of Stow lake which actually flares out like the strawberry stem, the western portion of Strawberry Hill itself… and the Prayerbook Cross. The whole “but first across” line I’d put in the same category as “rumble” in V5 as a primary verse hint.
Below are a few different images of that “zone.” I’m still refining a couple theories as to the spot, but to me, so much leads to this area (H/T to Goonie for the period tourist map). I urge everyone to put away Google maps for a bit. Find a real 1982 map, look at what Preiss and JJP actually looked at. Similarly, just for a day, untether yourselves from Google as a whole… read the actual book — look at paper maps… recite the verse out loud as they appeared. Tech helps, but it also hurts…. look at this puzzle as it was intended to be studied. AND YES, I KNOW, nobody solved it then (save Chicago) so we should look at things in new ways… but I’ll be blunt… the book sold so terribly it never even warranted to a second printing . So of the few souls that bought it back then… even fewer dug. That’s why these casques were not found back then — not because people weren’t using google. There are greater numbers now and more resources… but hyper zooming on google maps and blowing up TINY illustrations from a trade paperback quality printing was not the way the puzzle was meant to be solved. If you can’t see it with the naked eye or without photoshop filters… it’s not significant to the puzzle. Also, do you really think Preiss was getting aerial photos in 1982 — they were not easy to find — certainly harder for any key searcher than Preiss himself — I just really doubt he went to those crazy lengths — if it was in 2000 maybe… but not 1982.
What if the Cleveland and Chicago puzzles were the hard ones? Remember BP himself refused to give any hints in the Japanese edition for the Boston image because he thought it would be too easy that way. I urge my fellow San Francisco searchers to take a day or so and think simple! Love to hear your thoughts.

Great post and I agree wholeheartedly. One other thing that is a game changer is putting boots on the ground in these locations. I realize that is not possible for everyone, but it is eye opening. The scale, the practicality of navigating, the little “a-ha” things that even today cannot be found online. Also, talking to the locals or using local resources. There is a wealth of information that has not been digitized yet, and may never be.
Another point to being on site is seeing what flows and what doesn’t. Some clues may in fact be gone, however most are still present and the human eye can make connections and fill in the blanks. At least it gives you some perspective on things, in some cases where the casques are not buried.

Goldengate

After spending the past month shutting my mind off to Golden Gate Park theories to sincerely consider others’ hard-researched thoughts regarding other locations in relation to what we know about Cleveland and Chicago,
I
‘m back to believing that this was intended to be a strawberry for Strawberry Hill. “Strawberry Hill” is listed very clearly on nearly every period map and sits in the center
of
the park — it’s a focal point.
Just looking at what we know about the Chicago and Cleveland images, details like this seem to be addressed in the same simple, yet slightly shrouded way: in Chicago: The fairy from the Spirit
of
the Lakes fountain, the bowman, the water tower, the fence. Cleveland: The pillars (front and back), the fountain, bas relief lion / water bowl, etc… all
of
these were recognizable without 1000x zooms and wondering if that one thing you think is an eye for months upon months only to realize it’s a pixel misprint.
I
”m more convinced than ever that the clues are right there, staring us in the face.
I
‘ll add one more piece to my theory about the sleeves with 18 and 20 blocks each representing 18th and 20th Avenues. What street runs BETWEEN 18th and 20th through the park? CROSSOVER Drive! The “lane” between those avenues include Crossover drive, the boathouse area on the Western edge
of
Stow lake which actually flares out like the strawberry stem, the western portion
of
Strawberry Hill itself… and the Prayerbook Cross. The whole “but first across” line
I
‘d put in the same category as “rumble” in V5 as a primary verse hint.
Below are a few different images
of
that “zone.”
I
‘m still refining a couple theories as to the spot, but to me, so much leads to this area (H/T to Goonie for the period tourist map).
I
urge everyone to put away Google maps for a bit. Find a real 1982 map, look at what Preiss and JJP actually looked at. Similarly, just for a day, untether yourselves from Google as a whole… read the actual book — look at paper maps… recite the verse out loud as they appeared. Tech helps, but it also hurts…. look at this puzzle as it was intended to be studied. AND YES,
I
KNOW, nobody solved it then (save Chicago) so we should look at things in new ways… but
I
‘ll be blunt… the book sold so terribly it never even warranted to a second printing . So
of
the few souls that bought it back then… even fewer dug. That’s why these casques were not found back then — not because people weren’t using google. There are greater numbers now and more resources… but hyper zooming on google maps and blowing up TINY illustrations from a trade paperback quality printing was not the way the puzzle was meant to be solved. If you can’t see it with the naked eye or without photoshop filters… it’s not significant to the puzzle. Also, do you really think Preiss was getting aerial photos in 1982 — they were not easy to find — certainly harder for any key searcher than Preiss himself —
I
just really doubt he went to those crazy lengths — if it was in 2000 maybe… but not 1982.
What if the Cleveland and Chicago puzzles were the hard ones? Remember BP himself refused to give any hints in the Japanese edition for the Boston image because he thought it would be too easy that way.
I
urge my fellow San Francisco searchers to take a day or so and think simple! Love to hear your thoughts.

Great post and
I
agree wholeheartedly. One other thing that is a game changer is putting boots on the ground in these locations.
I
realize that is not possible for everyone, but it is eye opening. The scale, the practicality
of
navigating, the little “a-ha” things that even today cannot be found online. Also, talking to the locals or using local resources. There is a wealth
of
information that has not been digitized yet, and may never be.
Another point to being on site is seeing what flows and what doesn’t. Some clues may in fact be gone, however most are still present and the human eye can make connections and fill in the blanks. At least it gives you some perspective on things, in some cases where the casques are not buried.

Any speculation on why this is on the border
under the left hand….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang
Does it confirm Chinese (rather than Japanese)?
Is it something to see at the site?
Hven’t see any discussion on it.

Here is an out of the box thought on the moons:
the ship (USS Hornet) that was commisioned to
pick up the first moon landing (Apollo 11)
is retired in San Fran Bay
Couldn’t find other connections with
Apollo 11 and S.F.

MrBackstop

Here is my updated location for San Francisco. It is a matter of feet from Durian’s target which I also see as a viable location. The farthest East entrance to the Bleachers (Giant Step) is the key. On the left hand side, under the decorative circle entrance, below the 4th or 5th vertical line is the casque’s location. Here is the visual:

Wow! I love your visual graphic set up your solve. I wish I had the capability to do something like this. Great Job.

drunknerds

Interesting note, meatypuffs, I’ll check that out.
I always thought it weird that people would flip the image, when it already aligns with the park. When you overlay it normally, guess where she’s pointing:
37th street and Fulton. That’s exactly where the senior center is.
If you flip it, her index finger on her other hand is still pointing to 37th and Fulton.

I am still trying to figure out how this site works. I want this image drunknerds posted back in February. If it does I will be happy.
I have photos of my own of the Senior Center but I can’t post them. How do I get access to do that? I sure some of you know.
I took this set of images and compared it to my beginning thoughts on a solve. I will not post this to the thread and see if it posts at the current thread end.

drunknerds

Interesting note, meatypuffs, I’ll check that out.
I always thought it weird that people would flip the image, when it already aligns with the park. When you overlay it normally, guess where she’s pointing:
37th street and Fulton. That’s exactly where the
senior
center is.
If you flip it, her index finger on her other hand is still pointing to 37th and Fulton.

I am still trying to figure out how this site works. I want this image drunknerds posted back in February. If it does I will be happy.
I have photos of my own of the
Senior
Center but I can’t post them. How do I get access to do that? I sure some of you know.
I took this set of images and compared it to my beginning thoughts on a solve. I will not post this to the thread and see if it posts at the current thread end.

prospector

I am still trying to figure out how this site works. I want this image drunknerds posted back in February. If it does I will be happy.
I have photos of my own of the Senior Center but I can’t post them. How do I get access to do that? I sure some of you know.
I took this set of images and compared it to my beginning thoughts on a solve. I will not post this to the thread and see if it posts at the current thread end.

If you want the image someone posted, right click on the image and then you should be able to download or save to your computer or phone.
Next, if you want to post an image, it’s a little bit of work. You cannot directly post because the site has exceeded it’s storage limit. Probably a long time ago. You first have to sign up for an image hosting site or use a cloud service. Imgur is one you can use. Upload your image to the site and leave the window open. Come back here and start a post. When it is time to insert your image, go back to the hosting site and copy the link to the image. Then you can post the link to the image (hosted on another site) within your text here.
You may or may not have to use the img tags around the link to the image. There is button above the text writing box you use for posting.
I know, it is convoluted but the people that run this site must not want to pay for a gazillion terabytes of storage.
Let us know if you need more help.

prospector

I am still trying to figure out how this site works. I want this image drunknerds posted back in February. If it does I will be happy.
I have photos of my own of the
Senior
Center but I can’t post them. How do I get access to do that? I sure some of you know.
I took this set of images and compared it to my beginning thoughts on a solve. I will not post this to the thread and see if it posts at the current thread end.

If you want the image someone posted, right click on the image and then you should be able to download or save to your computer or phone.
Next, if you want to post an image, it’s a little bit of work. You cannot directly post because the site has exceeded it’s storage limit. Probably a long time ago. You first have to sign up for an image hosting site or use a cloud service. Imgur is one you can use. Upload your image to the site and leave the window open. Come back here and start a post. When it is time to insert your image, go back to the hosting site and copy the link to the image. Then you can post the link to the image (hosted on another site) within your text here.
You may or may not have to use the img tags around the link to the image. There is button above the text writing box you use for posting.
I know, it is convoluted but the people that run this site must not want to pay for a gazillion terabytes of storage.
Let us know if you need more help.

Mister EZ

So, from this view (for those with Google Earth or maps), you mean on the right side of that entrance to the bleachers, either directly below the circle or on the slope?
https://earth.app.goo.gl/N8cJ1u
https://goo.gl/maps/kk8jgKEDVwu
(Tilt up, zoom in)
This info about the bleachers and the work they did in that area doesn’t affect a thing…nor does the slope to the right (E / NE) of the entrance to the bleachers?
http://quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&start=2175#p142415

Actually I’m talking about the left side as you enter the bleachers (where I have the yellow and orange arrows pointing). The reason I have the left side is because it mimics the prison window pattern (hidden map). That dot at the bottom left on the window sill always interested me, it has to be there for a reason. If you are a foot or two away from the decorative circles on that wall, under that same bar in the window, that would be an excellent probe spot.
Now, Malted Falcon has shared some great info on the 2009 repairs that took place to the bleachers and the museum. From what I’ve seen the basement does not go all the way over to the East Speaker tower and that Torre Pine. Someone might know better concerning the bleachers but I believe the area under it is mainly for museum storage. So even though much of the grounds were destroyed and rebuilt for the ceiling and skylights, I believe the area I’m targeting is still intact.

Well, the link to maskit’s post that I included has this picture….with the speaker tower in the background. Looks like that’s right in front of the area you’re talking about:
You can see the reverse side of the entrance, in the upper left of the picture.

gManTexas

I really like the efforts being made by people here, but I’m still wondering why people are looking at National Park properties? With the whole city and potentially surrounding areas in SF, why this one National Park? Also, to me, this area is a lot like Jackson Square in NOLA. It is constantly mobbed with people and probably a police presence. While you just might have been able to dig a quick hole and toss a casque in back in 1981, I really doubt that the Authors would want people digging holes all over a National Park, possibly for hours at a time.
While I don’t like to compare the Chi-Cle puzzles to the rest, let’s think about those guys for a minute. In Chicago they did multiple digs. In Cleveland, they dug for something like 8 hours. How does anyone rationalize being able to dig at the Martime Park without permission?

Understand, that even though it was given a National Park status in the 70s, it wasn’t actually acted upon until ’88 due to lack of funds or management. BP could have easily picked this park before all the National Park signage went up in the late 80s.
As for me being here, it’s simply because that’s where the clues have led me. Durian and I have arrived almost at the same exact area but with different routes. If it turns out the casque was buried near the San Marco stone, then maybe it was removed in 2009 during the renovation, maybe not.

Yes, that’s right up there on the left on the other side of the wall. I have not been able to find any photos showing that space between the wall and Pine during the renovation. What I have seen is the area to the West of the Speaker tower and up to the wall towards the museum all dug up for the new skylights.

Durian

For the record, I wasn’t trying to imply that BP was acting in any way unethically. I certainly don’t believe he did anything unethical.

I believe you. I know that these puzzles can be maddening.
Let’s look at some of the other casque locations, and some strong contenders for remaining locations.
1. Chicago – public park. The casque was away from the high traffic areas, in a corner behind the cover of trees.
2. Cleveland – public park. Behind a wall and more or less hidden from view. Potentially very little foot traffic.
3. Milwaukee – public park. Next to a statue and tucked away since the lighthouse was not inhabited or functional at the time. Low foot traffic.
4. Charleston – public park. If anyone agrees that the casque was buried in Hampton Park, it is a quiet park with ample trees and cover. It was relatively run down in 1982, with declining foot traffic.
5. Montreal – public park/area. If anyone believes that the casque was buried on Mount Royal, it is well traveled but completely covered with trees and foliage. This puzzle says to ask permission to dig out.
I believe there is a consistent pattern of publicly accessible, yet out of the way locations where the casques were buried. There was some amount of risk in burying these, and hopefully some thought regarding the readers having to dig them up.
I think Maritime Park in SF is just too risky and busy. I have not been there in many years, but I would imagine it is still mobbed with people every day. With so many other places in SF, like GGP, Coit Tower, LOH, Sutro Heights area… why would anyone choose the most touristy and heavily visited area? I just don’t see it, even if the clues fit.

prospector

Wow! I love your visual graphic set up your solve. I wish I had the capability to do something like this. Great Job.

Thank you prospector. I might have to resize that, didn’t notice it got clipped off in my haste when customers came in.

gManTexas

If you want the image someone posted, right click on the image and then you should be able to download or save to your computer or phone.
Next, if you want to post an image, it’s a little bit of work. You cannot directly post because the site has exceeded it’s storage limit. Probably a long time ago. You first have to sign up for an image hosting site or use a cloud service. Imgur is one you can use. Upload your image to the site and leave the window open. Come back here and start a post. When it is time to insert your image, go back to the hosting site and copy the link to the image. Then you can post the link to the image (hosted on another site) within your text here.
You may or may not have to use the img tags around the link to the image. There is button above the text writing box you use for posting.
I know, it is convoluted but the people that run this site must not want to pay for a gazillion terabytes of storage.
Let us know if you need more help.

Thanks Gman, I looked up Imgur and try using that.

Durian,
I guess the only way we will know is if, big if, someone pulls the casque out of the ground. I do agree with people that things were way more laid back in 1982.
Not sure if I’ll ever make it back to SF, but I’m hoping some of the searchers out there can probe and dig, and fingers crossed, #3 will be found.

https://i.imgur.com/txpOSEf.jpg
Let’s see if this works

prospector

https://i.imgur.com/txpOSEf.jpg
Let’s see if this works

I signed up for imgur to start posting my photos. Here is the first on from the Senior Center on 37th and Fulton. I really looks like the image of the dragon on the front of the dress of Image one. I have written some more on this but I couldn’t get it to post. I will try again tomorrow. I’m out for now.

prospector

https://i.imgur.com/txpOSEf.jpg
Let’s see if this works

I signed up for imgur to start posting my photos. Here is the first on from the
Senior
Center on 37th and Fulton. I really looks like the image of the dragon on the front of the dress of Image one. I have written some more on this but I couldn’t get it to post. I will try again tomorrow. I’m out for now.

prospector

I signed up for imgur to start posting my photos. Here is the first on from the Senior Center on 37th and Fulton. I really looks like the image of the dragon on the front of the dress of Image one. I have written some more on this but I couldn’t get it to post. I will try again tomorrow. I’m out for now.

If you search the thread, Goonie68 found the pheonix/dragon a while back and we talked about for a long time. A lot of info already posted.

prospector

I signed up for imgur to start posting my photos. Here is the first on from the
Senior
Center on 37th and Fulton. I really looks like the image of the dragon on the front of the dress of Image one. I have written some more on this but I couldn’t get it to post. I will try again tomorrow. I’m out for now.

If you search the thread, Goonie68 found the pheonix/dragon a while back and we talked about for a long time. A lot of info already posted.

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&hilit=senior&start=1095
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&hilit=senior&start=493

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&hilit=
senior
&start=1095
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&hilit=
senior
&start=493

For some reason an earlier post I had written didn’t go through. I appreciate what others have written, all the images and discussion I’ve read pertaining to the Senior Center entry point. I will try to locate the ideas I had written and post them tomorrow

Choice

http://quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&hilit=senior&start=1095
Yes, this is good stuff.
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&hilit=senior&start=493

All of a sudden there is so much emphasis on dragon in this thread. This is an inherent problem with these puzzles; the clues are so vague they could point to practically every corner of the city. After all San Francisco is/was a major hub for Chinese immigration and Shanghai has been her sister city since 1979.
Recently the discussions have been around 3 main solutions: Golden Gate Park, Ghirardelli/Maritime Park, and Pioneer Park, each with their own many final locations.
This makes the thread too chaotic and creates friction and frustration to the point that some members rather create new thread to focus discussion.
IMO the dragon shouldn’t be looked at ass an object but what it represents; it’s all twisty and made of blocks.
Also what I come across repeatedly is curve/circle and number 6 together:
• Clock face with time at 6 o’clock
• Giant 6 in the middle part of the dragon that forms a big curve
• Tail end of the dragon forms a curve/circle with Chinese 6 (六) showing in the bottom right corner of the frame
• Halo around the pearl itself is a circle made of 6 separate curves
I’ve been able to make sense of these curve/6 clues for a solution in Pioneer Park and not for any other location.

please explain, and what Verse/Verses should we use ?

you’ll have to be more specific, in those rocks I have seen everything from JFK and Abraham Lincoln to
Judy (of Punch and Judy) to 2 american Indian women facing to the right.
I have not seen a map of California nor a map of the San Francisco Peninsula.
However  I actually do have an idea for that particular spot of the painting, and along with the Barred Window, I believe it is a site confirmer.
and actually I had always thought that the location I was looking in could not be correct, because I thought BP would “have” to use this particular object as a site confirmer.
but I couldnt find it until last week, when I realized he pictured it from behind…
So now I have two almost certain site confirmers.
As soon as I get out there and dig, I will let you know what I was thinking.
But I do want to expand on “Site Confirmers” in the paintings.
I noticed that most of the site confirmers in the Cleveland painting cannot be seen from the actual location of the casque. (Eggbert, if you are still around, can you confirm this?)
But you could step away from the casque location and you would then be able to view the casque location and see several of the site confirmers.
Not so much in Chicago, but if I am right, definitely in San Francisco.
Hope to get out there and dig the first week of december, give or take

Did anyone in this forum buy this book?
https://tinyurl.com/y8tjs7xw

It’s not obvious at all. Twain wrote about everything from middle Eastern religion to fairy tales–and at well over 300 written and published works, it’s pretty difficult to tell what captured his attention at any particular time. He lived in New York City, San Francisco, Missouri, and a host of other places–he traveled all over the world. His first published best-selling book was “Innocents Abroad,” which details a trip taken on a paddle-wheel ship to Europe and the Holy Land, and which he serialized in the newspaper for nearly a year then compounded into a single book. It sold like hotcakes. It was the sequel to his book “Roughing It” which details his trip to the western regions of North America. He was interested in the theatre, in law, language, religion–this was truly–TRULY–a Renaissance man!  In my humble opinion, this is one of the
most enigmatic
of any line in any of the verses Preiss wrote. And I am convinced he knew it!

im pretty sure that where ever the verse leads you the object of twains attention would be obvious
or at least it would have been in 1982
If it isnt/wasnt your probably in the wrong place.

It could also be “twain” (noun) for divided into two parts…a land feature with a split perspective?…it sure bothers me to associate verse 7 with anything other than New Orleans, but it is a valuable exercise to work with other combinations, just to be suprised by the results.

shecrab

It’s not obvious at all. Twain wrote about everything from middle Eastern religion to fairy tales–and at well over 300 written and published works, it’s pretty difficult to tell what captured his attention at any particular time.  this is one of the
most enigmatic
of any line in any of the verses Preiss wrote. And I am convinced he knew it!

You are preaching to the choir, BP is responsible for me reading every single published (and some not published) Mark Twain Works, Every book, newspaper article, magazine article, Letter, and speech.  For this alone I am extremely grateful to BP.  (still haven’t finished his new autobiography though…)
But yes I believe it is/will be extremely obvious, If (big if here) you are standing in the correct spot.
If you are in the correct spot then visible to you will be something obviously associated with Mark Twain.
I dont think it will be vague, you are so correct, in that Mark Twain’s attention was captured by so many things.  When I was digging at The Giant Totem pole in Golden Gate Park, the thing that bugged me the most was, “I believed that the object of Twain’s attention should be obvious” and there was just nothing there.
So I drew a map centered on “The Goddess of the Forests”‘ base with compass lines pointing at things Mark Twain mentioned.
Out of 360 degrees, only about 25 degrees of space (southeast) did not point at something Mark Twain wrote about. I ended up digging entirely around the  base. (thats a lot of dirt). In 20/20 hindsite I realize The Goddess of the forest was the wrong place to dig on so many levels.
Its only vague because we have not yet stood in the correct spot.
(actually I have about 20 times and now that I think about it I kick myself.)

Well Mr. Fox,
I must admit, it’s pretty entertaining.  And I love doing research.  Until my cliff house theory is disproven, I may move onto another picture/verse.  I find picture 6 intriguing.  I may start looking at that one.
ABQRAM

Well Mr. Fox,
I
must admit, it’s pretty entertaining.  And
I
love doing research.  Until my cliff house theory is disproven,
I
may move onto another picture/verse.
I
find picture 6 intriguing.
I
may start looking at that one.
ABQRAM

Durian

… So my hunt for the casque has essentially ended. It’s been fun though. Good luck to everyone with their solves!

So to throw some fuel on fire! Using the hypothesis that the verse should be read backwards, Stonewall’s door is the destination. Looking at the painting, the stonewall is the dragon made of stone blocks. So it’s door wide open is it’s mouth. Coit used to be the observation post for the bay with the semaphore. Eyes are window to your soul. It’s head looks like a VW bug, window and all. Unless you remove the top part of it’s head then it looks like a bullet train!

Durian

… So my hunt for the casque has essentially ended. It’s been fun though. Good luck to everyone with their solves!

So to throw some fuel on fire! Using the hypothesis that the verse should be read backwards, Stonewall’s door is the destination. Looking at the painting, the stonewall is the dragon made
of
stone blocks. So it’s door wide open is it’s mouth. Coit used to be the observation post for the bay with the semaphore. Eyes are window to your soul. It’s head looks like a VW bug, window and all. Unless you remove the top part
of
it’s head then it looks like a bullet train!

Choice

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&start=535

Yes I’ve read that, I meant compared to the man in the mountain though, not the women… still would put you in the same area…

Choice

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&start=535

Yes
I
‘ve read that,
I
meant compared to the man in the mountain though, not the women… still would put you in the same area…

Rviewer1

I’m starting to look at the verses in a different way. In other words only as visual confirmers and not necessarily in a linear manner. I keep coming back to the word Giant. I don’t think it is literal. I think it is a nod to the San Francisco Giants. So it could be taken. Pole and Step. But with my non linear route for me the treasure is going to be at the object of Twain’s attention.

If you insist on GGP then maybe you should consider “Giant pole” as “Large polo” field and Giant “step” as horseshoe. This was suggested 12 yrs or so ago that may deserve a second look.
http://silverinsf.blogspot.com/2011/03/ … -pits.html
https://livingnewdeal.org/projects/gold … ncisco-ca/
I know the pits are completely across the park but that’s all I could come up with!

Rviewer1

I
’m starting to look at the verses in a different way. In other words only as visual confirmers and not necessarily in a linear manner.
I
keep coming back to the word Giant.
I
don’t think it is literal.
I
think it is a nod to the San Francisco Giants. So it could be taken. Pole and Step. But with my non linear route for me the treasure is going to be at the object
of
Twain’s attention.

If you insist on GGP then maybe you should consider “Giant pole” as “Large polo” field and Giant “step” as horseshoe. This was suggested 12 yrs or so ago that may deserve a second look.
http://silverinsf.blogspot.com/2011/03/ … -pits.html
https://livingnewdeal.org/projects/gold … ncisco-ca/
I
know the pits are completely across the park but that’s all
I
could come up with!

mariska

… it has the folded hands (also pointing at the fold) and a similar facial expression.

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&start=535

unless you find somewhere with exact matches.

I also agree. I doubt seriously that BP would have made a puzzle with only “similiarities” in the paintings when the solutions were so exact. That was the POINT of the paintings, actually–to show the VISUALLY EXACT matches that pinpoint the location of the casques–otherwise, you will be looking for a single square yard of soil in an area that is hundreds or thousands of square yards large.

I don’t think these are exact.  Very similar is what we are looking for.  The Doric style of the columns is retained, but the smooth finish in the image isn’t evident in the grooved actual columns.  The dimensions of width and proportion are off as well in the wall.
As for the narrow sleeves with 2 columns verses 3, I’m looking at the same sort of similarity, tall narrow grid patterned elements.  This arched window with the narrow 2-columned sash windows fits the bill slightly as well.  It’s the San Francisco Public Library on 19th and Irving.
The top of the watch and the exact basic pattern of the post below the table top fits this antique lamp post at Sutter/Powell.
This puts me on a path near Union Square which makes me have to consider something related to Alma de Bretteville Spreckels, since her likeness is established as the figure high up on the Dewey Monument which also commemorates William Mckinley…it honors THREE in one (High posts are three).  The wiki article on Spreckles really fuels my suspicions when it refers to Sam Hill AND Auguste Rodin since I’ve worked on two other solution prospects that are central to them (image 6 = Sam Hill, and image 3 = Rodin (RodanTHE)).
Does anything in this image suggest “tea time” or sugar cubes?
EDIT; okay, that didnt take long to come across a reference in tea etiquette about the thumb position at 6 o’clock and pinky at 12 o’clock…is that what the clock piece signifies?  This puzzle seems to be imbued with sugary tea goodness.
Going into new directions, away from the Grant View or Buena Vista park ideas, I’m looking at the Italian elements that might lead to Dolores Park.

@Erexere
Understand I am not trying to Shoot down your ideas at all, I agree with several totally.
I am trying to be vague on purpose
What I am trying to do is, without hinting “hot” or “cold” see if someone else independently comes up with my results, based on the Picture Path Theory of the Image.
If nobody does, then most likely my idea is flawed.
however if someone applies the same rules I do and comes up with the same result. The idea gains credence.
I will say, jumping to the verse and ignoring the image, Or assuming that the image is just a general location, has never worked.
You need both. The image must show you where to start the verse, or you’re most likely in the wrong place.  At the very least, when you choose where to start the verse,you need to be able to backwards engineer the picture to get you to that exact spot.

I’m down with trying o replicate your findings, but I’m struggling with your theory and I understand that tailoring my approach doesn’t help your effort.
Tell me, does the Tea etiquette idea fit for you?  Perhaps a T-intersection?

no idea, however there is a T intersection at both ends of the Picture Path as I see it. BTW Teatime is 4pm not 6pm
Also notice the face is looking forward. Meaning go straight.
Since GGpark has no real address it is surrounded by streets, the question is, Which street is your path to go straight on?

BTW are you local to SF?
we could meet up when I finally schedule a dig.
any body else would be welcome too…

Thanks, I’ve never been to SF.  I’m in Eugene, Oregon.  I would gladly support your dig attempt in spirit though.
Im getting more confused each time I question what is really designed to be the iconic image.  The celestial bodies or circles could be domes all over the town, like the observatory, city hall or many of the churches.  Sounds from the sky, maybe Carillon Bell towers?  Maybe the iconic image is simply the Door?  Or heck, maybe it is just as you say, GGP.

Erexere, I think you’re 100% spot on with your lampost match including the top of the clock and the rose stem spiral.

Have to agree with falcon here….especially if he will once and for all tell us where his exact matches are
Both finds in Chicago and Cleveland had EXACT matches abound….why not other ones?

The rose stem spiral is almost generic, found in lots of spots around the city on sign fixtures, fences and facades.  For all we know it is simply a wordplay device “Spiral” = spy + rail = “look for a rail or rail car”.  I’m going to guess that BP took those trolleys despite their being in peak crappy condition at the time.
The Powell street post is certainly a find.  I had used a Sutter street edition in the earlier pic, which wasn’t as good a fit.  The top Or stem-wind of the pocket watch is VERY convincing when paired with the portion of table below.  This location throws me…I don’t really know where to go next?
I see slappybuns already gave consideration to the Dragon Gate at Bush/Grant near Union Square and mentioned the Dewey Monument.  I sure like its being a three part dedication as a high post idea.  I also like the triple lit lamp posts along Market Street.

Choice

Very good points CW. Even Though it kinda looks like the dragon’s gate.
Any Coit tower/Pioneer park solution fans here?

I like the Filbert Street Stairs as a Giant Step to Coit Tower.

Choice

Could the shape of the signature be a clue?

I seriously doubt it. “Could” it be? Maybe, in a long shot, and only if ByronP specifically told the artist how to present his work. Remember that this was the artist’s first commercial gig, basically the start of his professional career. His signature evolved over time, because TIME. It’s possible that the one painting with the full sig was the first piece turned in, and after that one BP told him to tone it down and not draw so much attention to it, and thus the other sigs are just initials.

Very good points CW. Even Though it kinda looks like the dragon’s gate.
Any Coit tower/Pioneer park solution fans here?

I am wondering if any of you watch the site
http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/page/221 … Solution??
?
I don’t think they are accepting new people because it is full.
I am new to this social media site but I have been looking at the image for a long time. I didn’t really get into the verse until lately.
I read through the 186 + pages on this site for the Image one thread and I am so impressed with all the hard work you people have been doing. I was in a panic a few months ago when I couldn’t find my book. So I was going to order a new one on online. I found all of you and then some.
What I am doing at this point, from my recliner; not a arm chair, is to make a list of digs. I have eight from this thread so far with details. I saw
Oregonian and JR Peraza
from the above sit with digs in Golden Gate park. I haven’t go through all of the threads on that site. If either of these people are on this site let me know. I think I saw Oregonian here but not JR Preaza.
I have put my application in for a dig in SF Golden Gate Park; and as I’m writing this I get a call from Parks and Rec. Woo Hoo. I love San Francisco. I have been spending a lot more time going to the park. I didn’t know how many things are in that place.
What is really exciting is that I have match up with a lot of things people have set forth.
There may be a thread of digs and I just can’t find it. I did see a place with a recent exploration when I was in GG Park over the weekend. I will be heading there early on Sunday for the Hardly Strictly Bluegrass Festival and I will be looking around some more. I took a lot of photos and will be posting some of them as soon as I get this information narrowed down. If anyone wants me to shoot something for them let me know and I will try.
I think I will try a dig in December.

Yes hope it’s not too wet and cold in Dec.
Harigawa Garden area is nice!

I have been reading Byron Preiss’s co-authored fantasy novel Dragonworld (1979).  One of the characters has to get a dragon pearl.  I do not think this helps with the hunt, but it is interesting.

All of my research led me to the conclusion it probably was not in place at the time.
I don’t think , that it had been there in the past, has any effect on the hunt.
BP would not have included it as a clue if it was not there when he planted the casque.

erexere

The Clash of the Titans film isn’t really the reason for considering the Aegis.  I believe that comes from reading the Iliad and the Odyssey.

I see nothing in the verse or image that would indicate mixing oriental themes with greek is a valid concept.

MF, I see that its unnecessary to go into the Greek parallel.  I just have a tendency to feed the idea that Preiss did so.  The only real evidenfe I can land on is the Gh as a veiled clue about Hg or Mercury.  The Athena idea is just a reach.  LotJ uses the word chaste, so I thought Athena represents one of the virginal Goddesses.  Again, no need for all of this…just my habit.

observatory deck? you mean the top/highest floor of Coit Tower where they used to have a huge Christmas Tree?
still, it would be a triangular pointy tip instead of a dome.

observatory deck? you mean the top/highest floor
of
Coit Tower where they used to have a huge Christmas Tree?
still, it would be a triangular pointy tip instead
of
a dome.

Spiritr

observatory deck? you mean the top/highest floor of Coit Tower where they used to have a huge Christmas Tree?
still, it would be a triangular pointy tip instead of a dome.

My bad, I meant observation deck.
http://www.lovetoeatandtravel.com/site/ … n-deck.htm

Spiritr

observatory deck? you mean the top/highest floor
of
Coit Tower where they used to have a huge Christmas Tree?
still, it would be a triangular pointy tip instead
of
a dome.

My bad,
I
meant observation deck.
http://www.lovetoeatandtravel.com/site/ … n-deck.htm

Spiritr

observatory deck? you mean the top/highest floor of Coit Tower where they used to have a huge Christmas Tree?
still, it would be a triangular pointy tip instead of a dome.

So I looked into it and perhaps they had christmas tree during Dec. but not year around.
Here’s a pic. from Dec 1970:
Here’s a pic. from 1975:
Here’s a pic. from 1982:
Here’s a video from 1979 with Coit showing without tree:
https://vimeo.com/280201484
Another video from 1979, last few seconds shows the base of the Columbus statue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQoxRDE3UZk

Spiritr

observatory deck? you mean the top/highest floor
of
Coit Tower where they used to have a huge Christmas Tree?
still, it would be a triangular pointy tip instead
of
a dome.

So
I
looked into it and perhaps they had christmas tree during Dec. but not year around.
Here’s a pic. from Dec 1970:
Here’s a pic. from 1975:
Here’s a pic. from 1982:
Here’s a video from 1979 with Coit showing without tree:
https://vimeo.com/280201484
Another video from 1979, last few seconds shows the base
of
the Columbus statue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQoxRDE3UZk

The bell on top of the cable car in the pic is practically a dead ringer for the top of the clock on the table – image 1.

MERLIN

The bell … dead ringer…

Kalessin

You’re welcome.

Kalessin

I think it was a dead ringer (love that pun) when you found it , what 4-5 years ago?

By focusing on shiny little object (the bell) you guys lose focus on the bigger picture.
The table in totality should be viewed as one unit.
Here are the clues:
• Rose
• Clock wind spring.
• Directional rotation of the spiral stem
• Clock
• North/South position of the hands
• Shadow cast by the clock
• Circular table top
• Table leg post
Spinning motion of the spiral indicates to flip the table over so the leg is on top.
Combine all these and you get: Wind-rose, clock, round surface with a tower on top casting shadow.
It’s a sundial, a giant one.

Malted said we are looking for a horses ass…..I’m so confused!!!

MERLIN

Malted said we are looking for a horses ass…..I’m so confused!!!

did you give up on Montreal?

Choice

did you give up on Montreal?

No – I still think V7 belongs in Montreal. I found you a park with a giant sundial in SF…
https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=en&pb … D3oECAoQCQ

MERLIN

No – I still think V7 belongs in Montreal. I found you a park with a giant sundial in SF…
https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=en&pb … D3oECAoQCQ

Looked at that already. too obscure. Like Coit better.
Across her robe, Lambda Iota Lambda, ΛIΛ, is Greek for LIL.
I mentioned crown on king’s head, Coit has a crown on top, but you guys focused on the bell! (I should stop jiggling shiny objects!)
As the song goes:
I left my heart in San Francisco
High on a hill, it calls to me
Get it? Isle of B, I love B, Bennett’s love song about SF.

MERLIN

No – I still think V7 belongs in Montreal. I found you a park with a giant sundial in SF…
https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=en&pb … D3oECAoQCQ

it’s in Ingleside, one of the richest neighborhood in the city, because of the affordable house value, lots of Chinese lives there. It connects the immigration reference
*it’s affordable to the Chinese

Yes by all means, go for it! Layout is right too.
https://tinyurl.com/ydef5wxc

However the leg of the table being a combination of a tower and a firehose nozzle points me to Coit.
Also flipping the table upside down orients the table correctly; E to the east side.
Also the graphics on top of the Coit elevator has many clues:
The blue genie lamp
Wind rose
Up/Down triangles
Bell shape on top

JoshCornell

someone on fb posted the block pattern of a whole area being portrayed in the squares of part of the dragon…very convincingly too…

If someone can copy and post that FB page here would be cool.

So Choice you see the Coit Tower as the area for the dig spot?
I see the Coit Tower way in the Background of Image 1 to the right, under the little “moon” farthest right. This would indicate to me that the Coit Tower is off in the distance from the actual dig spot.

MrBackstop

So Choice you see the Coit Tower as the area for the dig spot?
I see the Coit Tower way in the Background of Image 1 to the right, under the little “moon” farthest right. This would indicate to me that the Coit Tower is off in the distance from the actual dig spot.

That looks to me more like the Transamerica pyramid. Notice a little protrusion near the top. I might have a pixelated image.

Not even a little, that top is flat like Coit. Transamerica is a very prominent pyramid top.

I always thought the vertical rock formation with horse’s ass on top to be the coit tower with a line of parrots on top of it.
Matching the vertical stripes
The horse’s ass may be the representation of an observatory dome, Coit’s observatory deck with a finger pointing on top. Or the sea lion on the bolder pointing to the direction of Fisherman’s wharf where sea lions are. (I just like to type horse’s ass)

I
always thought the vertical rock formation with horse’s ass on top to be the coit tower with a line
of
parrots on top
of
it.
Matching the vertical stripes
The horse’s ass may be the representation
of
an observatory dome, Coit’s observatory deck with a finger pointing on top. Or the sea lion on the bolder pointing to the direction
of
Fisherman’s wharf where sea lions are. (
I
just like to type horse’s ass)

Choice

20 minutes to go. $102.50
https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-SECRET-A-T … Sw1IVbtj6g

WHAT!!!!!!!??????
Can you pm me next time you see listing like this?
$344 only…. OMG!

where was he stationed in san francisco? what fort? i dont see any info on that anywhere. im calling it out as possibly not true. im happy to be wrong, but if noone can find info on it then its probably not true lol.

Poor Merlin
Took me a few edits for this post!
I
don’t see the connection
of
Stonewall Jackson to SF

Poor Merlin
Took me a few edits for this post!
I don’t see the connection of Stonewall Jackson to SF

its important because when youre at jackson square and figure out that he was on the blackjack stamp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Jack_(stamp
)
it tells you where to go next…
so good on merlin for getting it.
he just shouldve stuck with it…

MERLIN

Exactly why it was abandoned…..Just thought
I
would share since you were looking at the Lion steps.

I
‘m not looking at Lyon, It meant to be a joke.

MERLIN

Exactly why it was abandoned…..Just thought I would share since you were looking at the Lion steps.

I’m not looking at Lyon, It meant to be a joke.

Choice

Poor Merlin
Took me a few edits for this post!
I
don’t see the connection
of
Stonewall Jackson to SF

Back in the day
I
was working with verse 7 – Stonewall Jackson = Stone Walls Door.
I
no longer think verse 7 applies to SF.

Choice

Poor Merlin
Took me a few edits for this post!
I don’t see the connection of Stonewall Jackson to SF

Back in the day I was working with verse 7 – Stonewall Jackson = Stone Walls Door. I no longer think verse 7 applies to SF.

MERLIN

Back in the day
I
was working with verse 7 – Stonewall Jackson = Stone Walls Door.
I
no longer think verse 7 applies to SF.

That’s why
I
asked. What does a confederate general got to do with SF?

MERLIN

Back in the day I was working with verse 7 – Stonewall Jackson = Stone Walls Door. I no longer think verse 7 applies to SF.

That’s why I asked. What does a confederate general got to do with SF?

JoshCornell

lol no the above isnt even a terrible idea at all…
i
mean, its not going to get you to the treasure but its also not wrong.

Where’s your spot Josh? Lake Merced?!

JoshCornell

lol no the above isnt even a terrible idea at all…i mean, its not going to get you to the treasure but its also not wrong.

Where’s your spot Josh? Lake Merced?!

JoshCornell

its important because when youre at jackson square and figure out that he was on the blackjack stamp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Jack_(stamp
)
it tells you where to go next…
so good on merlin for getting it.
he just shouldve stuck with it…

Thomas Jonathan “Stonewall” Jackson…not Andrew Jackson.
(Edit: And….this is the image 1 thread, not image 7. So….Jackson Square?)

Choice

That’s why
I
asked. What does a confederate general got to do with SF?

check recent news….

Choice

That’s why I asked. What does a confederate general got to do with SF?

check recent news….

Choice

Where’s your spot Josh? Lake Merced?!

no

20 minutes to go. $102.50
https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-SECRET-A-T … Sw1IVbtj6g

What does recent news got to do with the news 40 yrs ago.
I
‘m losing faith in your brain Josh!

What does recent news got to do with the news 40 yrs ago. I’m losing faith in your brain Josh!

you bidding? lol too rich for my blood.
i
do love books but that one remains elusive for me lol.
i
figure ill buy a nice one cheap after treasures are dug

you bidding? lol too rich for my blood. i do love books but that one remains elusive for me lol. i figure ill buy a nice one cheap after treasures are dug

consider your question, consider my answer.

JoshCornell

you bidding? lol too rich for my blood. i do love books but that one remains elusive for me lol. i figure ill buy a nice one cheap after treasures are dug

$30 was my limit!

oh man gotta got at least 50…either way its at 100 lol

i got another one called the merlin mystery (seems hard as f**k) but its already over (had a time limit…went unsolved), i just bought it for my collection.

@Goldengate, That’s hate crime challenging the mentally challenged.

Stonewall Jackson has no connection to SF. South should keep their traitors where they belong. War of northern aggression my arse!

$340, went cheaper than before

Someone has the book posted on wiki. I don’t know how legal that is!
http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/file/fet … et_OCR.pdf

A couple of month ago I called the reference to Stonewall Jackson “too far fetched”.
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&hilit=fetched&start=2629

Goldengate

While I agree the south should stay in the south, Stonewall Jackson was sent to San Francisco to help manage the city during the gold rush / pre-civil war era.

do you have evidence of this cause i dont think its true.

stonewall jackson has 3 ties to cali, with 1 specifically to san francisco:
a) direct sf tie is to alcatraz via the winder family. the one winder was the captain of the fort at what is now alcatraz, and he had family in the stonewall brigade with stonewall jackson….controversy erupted when he had photos taken. they were confiscated by the government for national security reasons because of his family ties, and he was moved to fort mason.
b) after finding silver in virgina and using it to forge fake silver coins made of led with a silver coating, jacksons uncle moved to california during the gold rush and hit it rich
c) the stonewall mine in the ghost town in san diego (part of san diego part of puzzle)

i know mister_ez…read more carefully. you didnt “get” it.

jackson square is in san francisco as well by ghiradelli (*smacks head*)…jackson st (yes, both named after 20 dolla bill jackson) leads from there to where merlin was noting. and for VERY good reason. a very very very important reason.

im literally trying to find it and cant which is why i ask.

i do care which is why i ask…do you know what books? i have 3 books about sf i know preiss used, and actually did check them lol. i also googled around and found nothing about it.

so you dont have an answer and are probably mistaken. ok then. thanks.

JoshCornell

i know mister_ez…read more carefully. you didnt “get” it.

Goldengate

Stonewall was transferred to San Francisco. He was stationed there.

No…no, I did read it correctly.
GG and others were talking about Stonewall Jackson…. you started disputing whether or not he was stationed in San Francisco, followed by using a stamp of Andrew Jackson as ‘proof’ that you’re right.
(And, yes I know about the neighborhood called Jackson Square, in SF……which, doesn’t make anybody leap to the Black Jack stamp or allow them to say, ‘Stonewall Jackson wasn’t stationed in San Francisco’.)

what do yo get out of making false claims about me? honestly? lol

https://noehill.com/sf/landmarks/sf015.asp

Choice

https://noehill.com/sf/landmarks/sf015.asp

Still, that has has nothing to do with, nor does it refute, what GG was saying about ‘Stonewall’ Jackson…..

I too have an issue connecting a confederate general to SF but looking at the location it is the “entrance” to Jackson street that can be interpreted as Jackson’s door.
[added]
I realize that GG has a connection to SF but that’s not what he’s well known for. It’s like saying Bill Cosby was a great influence on african-american families. That may be true but not he’s known for now.

i still question the claims..his wife did live in san diego for 1.5 years after his death, and the family (her sister and sisters husband) named the kid stonewall (middle name) but like i said thats in san diego and not jackson there in the gold rush as an authority…

Choice

I too have an issue connecting a confederate general to SF but looking at the location it is the “entrance” to Jackson street that can be interpreted as Jackson’s door.

Heh…yeah, me too.
Note: GG even said, that he doesn’t think Stonewall is linked to puzzle.
But, GG also says he has an old history book showing that ‘Stonewall’ was stationed in San Francisco….and, has offered it up, if a simple question is answered. Instead of an answer to that question, he got, “I think you’re wrong about ‘Stonewall’…..here, look at the Black Jack Stamp (that shows Andrew and doesn’t disprove anything about ‘Stonewall’ being stationed in S.F.).”

i never used the stamp to show i was right, i was explaining why it was important, to the contrary of the explicit claims made by your oh so beloved goldengate.
neither did i use it as evidence against goldengates statement. im disputing whether its true because, when looking, i see zero evidence of it. i can find his wife in sd but i cant find him in sf? prob for good reason. lol.

We should make a new topic thread to take our fights there; itchy and scratchy?
I miss scrappy!

OOOHHH!!! Like a treasure hunting fight club!

Or Goat hill. Afterall letters under h are ILL.

Here’s another interpretation of 11 moons:
11 words spoken on the moon
Apollo 11
This would work great for armstrong park in new orleans!

Another interpretation is that the moons are way markers of landmarks.
The larger the moon, the closer you are to the destination.
The largest moon points to the dig site, where dragon’s head (lion’s nose) pushes up earth.

Well, they all point at something. You just have to figure what those things are.

If you could link Apollo 11 into the hunt that would be cool. As far as having 11 moons in the image it could mean that the Ace is to be counted as an 11 instead of 1 although that throw off HWY 1 as the Ace.

For example moon #3 points to an structure with dome on top.
I ranked the moons by size.

Durian

I think they are metaphor. Eleven glowing objects high above your head. The individual letters of the Ghirardelli sign, hovering over your head as you work the puzzle along the San Francisco waterfront.

How about the dots on I’s?! Don’t they count?

Rviewer1

If you could link Apollo 11 into the hunt that would be cool. As far as having 11 moons in the image it could mean that the Ace is to be counted as an 11 instead of 1 although that throw off HWY 1 as the Ace.

The 11 words “That’s one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.” I propose the “Giant” being the largest moon, the 2 steps (including leap) being the two next largest moons.
Largest moon being the destination and the two “steps” on each side leading to the final spot.
Similar to lyon’s steps or Pioneer park.

Durian

I think they are metaphor. Eleven glowing objects high above your head. The individual letters of the Ghirardelli sign, hovering over your head as you work the puzzle along the San Francisco waterfront.

Why the different sizes of moons? There’s a big difference between the largest and the smallest size moon.

A few random thoughts on Golden Gate / V7.
At stone wall’s door
The air smells sweet
This reminded me of the scene in Shakespeare where Duncan turns up at Macbeth’s place.
This castle hath a pleasant seat; the air nimbly and sweetly recommends itself unto our gentle senses.
The initial letters of the first five lines are an anagram of “Thane” (Macbeth was Thane of Cawdor), followed by FS (SF).
I imagined image 1 as a hand-wringing Lady Macbeth type:
…so I was interested when someone mentioned the
Shakespeare Garden
in GGP.
…an object of Twain’s attention
Twain wrote a book on
Shakespeare
.
There’s a
sundial
…
…and some benches…(“pleasant seat”?
This one
has a detail which reminded me of the spiral on the rose.)
Sounds [like] from the sky
There are various Shakespearean flower quotes dotted around.
…can’t guarantee if that particular one’s there – be nice if it was, but it just turned up in some general Google image search for Golden Gate Park and the Shakespeare Garden. But they seem to have stuff like that. I’d be interested to see if they had this one:
Where the bee sucks there suck I
In a cowslip’s bell I lie
Ariel – sounds like Aerial
Near ace is high
I think someone suggested “Near acers” in connection with another location, but maybe there are/were also acers in GGP.
Alternatively, there’s this “Ace of Clubs”…
The pillars-in-archway theme reminded me of image 4, which set me off looking for 1881 connections again.
(Portrait by
Gilbert
).
There are similar features in images 1 & 11:
(11 moons in image 1, 1 moon in image 11)
(Could be a connection with tea. GGP tea garden / rose garden / tea rose.)
(The “HG”, the dragon (fire/heat) and the litany reference to the “silver moon” remind me of quicksilver / mercury / thermometer. Apparently this was often represented as a serpent in alchemy – reminds me of the image 11
snake-cup
.)
Giant pole
Giant step
Wondered about “Giants pet”, a (golden) goose, which Jack retrieved using a giant pole / beanstalk. Geese at Stow Lake, with its Chinese pavilion. (The Corporate Giants entry is all about Jack and the beanstalk.)

So… Is anyone thinking of actually digging on either side of that fourth step, or do I need to make a San Francisco trip?

Unknown

Unknown:
So… Is anyone thinking of actually digging on either side of that fourth step, or do I need to make a San Francisco trip?

I’d be willing to bet the same box of chocolates that:
1) The area has already been scouted by someone other than treetops.
2) If it hasn’t already been probed, someone is making plans to do so as I type this.
3) If it hasn’t been done already, someone is planning a trip to the nearest Surplus Store to buy an entrenching tool so they can sneak a shovel into GGP, although personally, I hope that they will reach out to the proper authorities and do the dig legally. After 30+ years, it’s very likely that we are no longer looking for a casque in a plexiglass box, but pieces of same (especially in the northern cities). A supervised dig is the best way to recover everything without imparting further damage, since it doesn’t have to be done furtively.
I’d also be willing to bet that lots of people are using your solve to re-examine some of the images in an effort to define the dig spot for a casque that they are able to dig up. I’ll say it again; it is very impressive.
I’m on the wrong coast for this one. But for what it’s worth, I’m comfortable putting San Francisco in the same category (NLBTD*) as Milwaukee.
*Nothing left but the diggin’.

I’m still struggling to see how these new ideas come together. Its all been very interesting but I haven’t been in agreement on anything for certain, at least not to the extent that I’d recommend digging or probing. I don’t think of the puzzle as a loose assemblage of pieces. Its a tightly wound piece of work and a very sharp treatment of the verse is whats needed.
I might have said this before, the point of the line about an object of Twains attention has me leaning strongly towards something law based. Objection. I think the answer to the riddle is a “sentence” from a judge on his “bench”. Twain’s attention as a writer of sentences helps shape our approach to a physical bench.

Goldengate

Personally,
I
‘m still leaning toward the fact that one sleeve has 18 squares and the other has 20 — and the sleeves themselves are situated right between 18th and 20th Aves at the Western edge
of
Stow Lake… she’s pointing at her sleeves, saying “hey, check out these “blocks.”
… she’s not pointing at any one block, she’s literally pointing at her sleeves to draw our attention to them.

Goldengate

So many different theories about the meaning behind the blocks on her sleeves — we almost need a sub thread to keep track
of
them all.

I
do like simplicity and straight-forward readings.
I
endorse this.
I
hope not!

Goldengate

Personally, I’m still leaning toward the fact that one sleeve has 18 squares and the other has 20 — and the sleeves themselves are situated right between 18th and 20th Aves at the Western edge of Stow Lake… she’s pointing at her sleeves, saying “hey, check out these “blocks.”
… she’s not pointing at any one block, she’s literally pointing at her sleeves to draw our attention to them.

Goldengate

So many different theories about the meaning behind the blocks on her sleeves — we almost need a sub thread to keep track of them all.

I do like simplicity and straight-forward readings.
I endorse this.
I hope not!

Goldengate

So many different theories about the meaning behind the blocks on her sleeves — we almost need a sub thread to keep track
of
them all.
Personally,
I
‘m still leaning toward the fact that one sleeve has 18 squares and the other has 20 — and the sleeves themselves are situated right between 18th and 20th Aves at the Western edge
of
Stow Lake — maybe it’s just that simple… that she’s pointing at her sleeves, saying “hey, check out these “blocks.”
There are so many theories as to which blocks her fingers are actually pointing to: three or four or half way between one and another, etc… maybe that’s on purpose in a way… she’s not pointing at any one block, she’s literally pointing at her sleeves to draw our attention to them.
It seems (to me) if we were supposed to look at the individual block that she may or may not be pointing at, JJP would have painted the exact same number
of
squares on each sleeve so we’d know exactly how many up, down etc. Or he’d have her pointing exactly to a block so there was no doubt.
That’s just me speculating, but kind
of
interesting that the blocks are so easy to count and more defined in a way than much the rest
of
the image. They seem to be calling out for attention, as if they were solid “in our face” clues.

GG,
I
totally get your view about the two sleeves, 18 and 20 blocks, if those numbers are what we need to decipher, then we would not need her fingers pointing to a specific block or blocks or lines. IMO this is one’s perspective on a point in the image tied to an physical location and object, which sets up the next line in the verse, Education and Justice.
I
guess it all depends on how your looking at the clues and what the end game is? The one thing that
I
keep going back to is that the verse and image are very specific too areas or physical objects.

Goldengate

So many different theories about the meaning behind the blocks on her sleeves — we almost need a sub thread to keep track of them all.
Personally, I’m still leaning toward the fact that one sleeve has 18 squares and the other has 20 — and the sleeves themselves are situated right between 18th and 20th Aves at the Western edge of Stow Lake — maybe it’s just that simple… that she’s pointing at her sleeves, saying “hey, check out these “blocks.”
There are so many theories as to which blocks her fingers are actually pointing to: three or four or half way between one and another, etc… maybe that’s on purpose in a way… she’s not pointing at any one block, she’s literally pointing at her sleeves to draw our attention to them.
It seems (to me) if we were supposed to look at the individual block that she may or may not be pointing at, JJP would have painted the exact same number of squares on each sleeve so we’d know exactly how many up, down etc. Or he’d have her pointing exactly to a block so there was no doubt.
That’s just me speculating, but kind of interesting that the blocks are so easy to count and more defined in a way than much the rest of the image. They seem to be calling out for attention, as if they were solid “in our face” clues.

GG, I totally get your view about the two sleeves, 18 and 20 blocks, if those numbers are what we need to decipher, then we would not need her fingers pointing to a specific block or blocks or lines. IMO this is one’s perspective on a point in the image tied to an physical location and object, which sets up the next line in the verse, Education and Justice. I guess it all depends on how your looking at the clues and what the end game is? The one thing that I keep going back to is that the verse and image are very specific too areas or physical objects.

My thought is that the blocks will only become clear, if ever, once the casque is located. Then someone can say, ahhhh, THAT”S what he meant. It really is a dumb clue to put in the middle
of
a city with blocks everywhere.

My thought is that the blocks will only become clear, if ever, once the casque is located. Then someone can say, ahhhh, THAT”S what he meant. It really is a dumb clue to put in the middle of a city with blocks everywhere.

Getting down to basics.
Here are a few clues that might set you on the right path:
•
I
start from Dragon’s Gate in Chinatown since it’s the simplest interpretation
of
“At stone wall’s door”
• Just south
of
the gate is Hyatt Union Square where The Fountain is located; perhaps the inspiration for the Lombard street (city identifier)/dragon painting.
• “High posts are three” takes me down to Post Street, play on word posts. There at Union Square Victory stands high atop
of
a globe holding a trident in her left hand. Looking at the painting, there’s a trident looking thing touching her left hand. Trident, three teeth (number
of
teeth showing in dragon’s mouth), three posts up high. Dragons (sea serpents) and spirals all over the base
of
the Victory (sweet smell
of
success).
• Powel street cable car runs by the square; Powell turn-table is near by.
• Next to the Union Square is Morris building with spiral interior (Xanadu gallery), the only Frank Lloyd Wright building in SF. The building has a unique brick arched entrance. Not related, Frank Morris was a prisoner escapee from Alcatraz. That may explain bars on the gate in the painting.
https://noehill.com/sf/landmarks/sf072.asp
• Focusing on the woman’s left hand you’ll find an eye formed by her lower 3 fingers similar to all Seeing Eye, eye
of
providence, similar to back
of
a one dollar bill on top
of
a pyramid. She’s pointing to a specific street block. If you follow that direction from the painting, 2 X 4 blocks away from the Dragon’s Gate you get to Transamerica Pyramid, Ace is high.
• The three way points, Union Square, the Dragon’s Gate and Transamerica line up. Use a mason’s tool, a compass to draw a circle with the Transamerica being the center and the Dewey Monument being the pencil and you get your option
of
dig sites: Pioneer park (Coit), Washington Square (Twain’s attention being the twin towers and president Washington on dollar bill) or Ina Coolbrith park

Getting down to basics.
Here are a few clues that might set you on the right path:
• I start from Dragon’s Gate in Chinatown since it’s the simplest interpretation of “At stone wall’s door”
• Just south of the gate is Hyatt Union Square where The Fountain is located; perhaps the inspiration for the Lombard street (city identifier)/dragon painting.
• “High posts are three” takes me down to Post Street, play on word posts. There at Union Square Victory stands high atop of a globe holding a trident in her left hand. Looking at the painting, there’s a trident looking thing touching her left hand. Trident, three teeth (number of teeth showing in dragon’s mouth), three posts up high. Dragons (sea serpents) and spirals all over the base of the Victory (sweet smell of success).
• Powel street cable car runs by the square; Powell turn-table is near by.
• Next to the Union Square is Morris building with spiral interior (Xanadu gallery), the only Frank Lloyd Wright building in SF. The building has a unique brick arched entrance. Not related, Frank Morris was a prisoner escapee from Alcatraz. That may explain bars on the gate in the painting.
https://noehill.com/sf/landmarks/sf072.asp
• Focusing on the woman’s left hand you’ll find an eye formed by her lower 3 fingers similar to all Seeing Eye, eye of providence, similar to back of a one dollar bill on top of a pyramid. She’s pointing to a specific street block. If you follow that direction from the painting, 2 X 4 blocks away from the Dragon’s Gate you get to Transamerica Pyramid, Ace is high.
• The three way points, Union Square, the Dragon’s Gate and Transamerica line up. Use a mason’s tool, a compass to draw a circle with the Transamerica being the center and the Dewey Monument being the pencil and you get your option of dig sites: Pioneer park (Coit), Washington Square (Twain’s attention being the twin towers and president Washington on dollar bill) or Ina Coolbrith park

Choice

Getting down to basics.
Here are a few clues that might set you on the right path:
•
I
start from Dragon’s Gate in Chinatown since it’s the simplest interpretation
of
“At stone wall’s door”
• Just south
of
the gate is Hyatt Union Square where The Fountain is located; perhaps the inspiration for the Lombard street (city identifier)/dragon painting.
• “High posts are three” takes me down to Post Street, play on word posts. There at Union Square Victory stands high atop
of
a globe holding a trident in her left hand. Looking at the painting, there’s a trident looking thing touching her left hand. Trident, three teeth (number
of
teeth showing in dragon’s mouth), three posts up high. Dragons (sea serpents) and spirals all over the base
of
the Victory (sweet smell
of
success).
• Powel street cable car runs by the square; Powell turn-table is near by.
• Next to the Union Square is Morris building with spiral interior (Xanadu gallery), the only Frank Lloyd Wright building in SF. The building has a unique brick arched entrance. Not related, Frank Morris was a prisoner escapee from Alcatraz. That may explain bars on the gate in the painting.
https://noehill.com/sf/landmarks/sf072.asp
• Focusing on the woman’s left hand you’ll find an eye formed by her lower 3 fingers similar to all Seeing Eye, eye
of
providence, similar to back
of
a one dollar bill on top
of
a pyramid. She’s pointing to a specific street block. If you follow that direction from the painting, 2 X 4 blocks away from the Dragon’s Gate you get to Transamerica Pyramid, Ace is high.
• The three way points, Union Square, the Dragon’s Gate and Transamerica line up. Use a mason’s tool, a compass to draw a circle with the Transamerica being the center and the Dewey Monument being the pencil and you get your option
of
dig sites: Pioneer park (Coit), Washington Square (Twain’s attention being the twin towers and president Washington on dollar bill) or Ina Coolbrith park

I
like a lot
of
this, but how can we be left with three choices? Is that a nod to your userid, lol?

Choice

Getting down to basics.
Here are a few clues that might set you on the right path:
• I start from Dragon’s Gate in Chinatown since it’s the simplest interpretation of “At stone wall’s door”
• Just south of the gate is Hyatt Union Square where The Fountain is located; perhaps the inspiration for the Lombard street (city identifier)/dragon painting.
• “High posts are three” takes me down to Post Street, play on word posts. There at Union Square Victory stands high atop of a globe holding a trident in her left hand. Looking at the painting, there’s a trident looking thing touching her left hand. Trident, three teeth (number of teeth showing in dragon’s mouth), three posts up high. Dragons (sea serpents) and spirals all over the base of the Victory (sweet smell of success).
• Powel street cable car runs by the square; Powell turn-table is near by.
• Next to the Union Square is Morris building with spiral interior (Xanadu gallery), the only Frank Lloyd Wright building in SF. The building has a unique brick arched entrance. Not related, Frank Morris was a prisoner escapee from Alcatraz. That may explain bars on the gate in the painting.
https://noehill.com/sf/landmarks/sf072.asp
• Focusing on the woman’s left hand you’ll find an eye formed by her lower 3 fingers similar to all Seeing Eye, eye of providence, similar to back of a one dollar bill on top of a pyramid. She’s pointing to a specific street block. If you follow that direction from the painting, 2 X 4 blocks away from the Dragon’s Gate you get to Transamerica Pyramid, Ace is high.
• The three way points, Union Square, the Dragon’s Gate and Transamerica line up. Use a mason’s tool, a compass to draw a circle with the Transamerica being the center and the Dewey Monument being the pencil and you get your option of dig sites: Pioneer park (Coit), Washington Square (Twain’s attention being the twin towers and president Washington on dollar bill) or Ina Coolbrith park

I like a lot of this, but how can we be left with three choices? Is that a nod to your userid, lol?

prospector

Wow,
I
really like all
of
the dialogue happening right now.
I
am trying to write down a potential solve and it is so difficult.
I
appreciate all those who have work at this hunt.
I
guess
I
would start by saying
I
would enter Golden Gate Park at the Senior Center and head to John F. Kennedy Drive.
I
didn’t see the Crossover Drive as a clue.
I
saw the divided JFK Drive as part
of
the image.
I
would go toward the Chain
of
Lakes Drive.
I
believe the North Lake shape is revealed in Image 1. This is about as far as
I
have gone on my quest.
I
am having a great time but still have a lot
of
work to do.
I
have been to Golden Gate Park four times in the last month.
I
have seen evidence
of
digs from others. How cool is that?
I
tried to add an attachment
of
a photo
I
took
of
the Senior Center Dragon/Griffin on the front
of
the building but it wouldn’t upload.
I
think it is on this site somewhere.
I
will be going to San Francisco tomorrow to do some research.
I
did find some pretty good photos online and started a log
of
what
I
have found.
I
know there has been a lot
of
changes to Golden Gate Park over the years.
I
just have to find out if a flag poll was around in ’79 through the time Preiss may have been in the Park. No, not the one that was at the Senior Center.

A lot
of
the work that you are doing has been posted. You can see the photos and analysis if you go back in the thread or use the function.