bless your heart too.

Durian

Since everybody’s in such a fine mood this evening, here is the third probably image match to Aquatic Park’s East speaker tower (the giant pole) I’ve found. Note the outline of the eyebrows match the curve of the underside of the speaker exactly:

I thought you want to shave her eyebrows with a razor

At last! Someone that understands a joke! There’s hope for this planet yet.

gManTexas

Totally random thought, and I figured I’d post it here since this thread is off the rails and batshit loco…
Post a playlist for scouting or digging for the Secret. I mean boots on the ground, headphones on, mission driven. What would you be listening to?

Hey gMan, it’s this one…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xdt58T366xw

I will try and repost the Ghirdelli Squ images….sorry about the tour site.
I have found something previously unmentioned that struck a thought..
On the right hand side, under the pointing finger, is a ‘ying/yang’ symbol,
the representation of the good/bad struggle of the Zen.
With that.. check out the Golden Gate park…
http://www.inetours.com/Pages/SFNbrhds/ … arden.html
http://www.inetours.com/Pages/SFLndmrkVws/GGP_Map.html
If we take the woman to represent the Japanese Tea Garden,
then the Rose Table would be the Rose garden to the left
and the Apron would be the map of the Golden Gate Park itself,
which has already been examined.
The arms would represent ‘Cross Over Drive’
Wonder if we could then match up a verse….

Check out the ‘So Pavement’ of the Tea Garden and
see if it would give one the idea of scales for the dragon….

And check out what is between the Rose garden and the Tea Garden..
http://www.mistersf.com/high/index.html?highggprose.htm
A sundial.  This view is not exact (but close)
Another side view may be our table leg.
Click on the three locations and check our their prximity
as represented on the top map.

Trying Image 1 with verse 7 may be right….or may not be.
A strong argument could be made for verse #6.
There are parts that match up well.
This talks about the cruel treatment of the asian immigrants to angel island. And the things you would experience here.
Of all the romance retold
Men of tales and tunes
Cruel and bold
Seen here
By eyes of old
Stand and listen to the birds
Hear the cool, clear song of water
Where law defended
Especially this part because this describes the billboard structure and the palm tree with white buildings and sand in the area
Between two arms extended
Below the bar that binds
Beside the long palm’s shadow
Embedded in the sand
Waits the Fair remuneration
White house close at hand.
Parts that I have no idea if there is a match or not.
Harken to the words:
Freedom at the birth of a century
Or May 1913
This has a possible Abraham Lincoln connection as These are the Son and Granddaughter of John Wilkes Booth.  The person who assasinated Abraham Lincoln.
If you look directly above the rose, the rock appears to be a rendition of Abraham Lincoln as if he is lying down looking up.
Edwin and Edwina named after him
Not sure about this line
Or on the eighth a scene

I have been linking Image 1 with Verse 10…
and how about this start of the connection
to the Japense Tea Garden….
http://terragalleria.com/pictures-subje … a9336.html
“In the shadow
of the Grey Giant
Find the arm that
Extends over the slender path”

Here is a link for many sundials….
http://www.sundials.org/registry/dials_al_la.htm
At least four in Golden gate Park..
none look close enough to the table,
esp. not the one in Japanese Tea Garden…
have a look.

I feel strongly though I can’t yet guess any one specific place of focus that image 1 pairs with verse 10 and is narrowed down by the 110 thousand people who were entered into Japanese internment camps after the attacks on Pearl Harbor.  Perhaps the focal point is one particular camp site.

http://www.du.edu/behindbarbedwire/amac … bered.html
Something uncanny about the shape of that memorial stone. It checks out per-80s timeline.  The Camp Amache has a strict grid pattern, similar to a fence or tennis racket or even a grenade, since it is in the area of Granada, CO.
Hmm, dragon, draconian, harsh or hard…”him of hard word…”. It was Roosevelt who put forth the intermnent order.  Rose on pedestal = Roosevelt President?
Post hmm, “G” “h” printed backward could be a clue about a language that may be printed right to left the reverse of English.  There are several options, Japanese is among them (also vertical top down).
The spiritual approach is invited on this image.  Dualism.  The heart of the mountain, a prison in need of opening through transcendence, mind over matter.  Maybe it’s Bhuddist, but it Is without a symbol for the Noble Eight Fold Path.

WhiteRabbit

I kind of assumed the Kindle version was a ripoff. I don’t know whether it’s based on the Q4T version as I haven’t downloaded it, but since the blurb they’ve used on the Amazon page was nicked from the summary Forest wrote for the wiki, it seems quite likely.

That’s been my suspicion, too. But if the Amazon version is pirated, why isn’t the legal owner of the copyright doing something about it? Hard to understand.

I’m basically chewing on the idea that Twain’s object is the newspaper column. The focus is on a column, similar to how Cleveland focus’ on columns.
I use to think the PEN was the answer to that little riddle. I dropped that use a map to make a line idea to focus more on a BENCH as the place where a justice would sit and issue a sentence in a criminal case, and so I thought as a writer, Twain’s object would be his sentence, still pretty close to the pen idea, which is still a bit abstract. A column on the other hand may be a more accessible idea.
Architecture can be so interesting.

Totally off topic,
Twain camped near lake tahoe once and in his writings he mentions playing cards while sitting on top of a big flat rock on the waters edge.
This year somebody figured out where his camp was and found the rock.
Todo list: go play cards on that rock.

Unknown

Unknown:
Nope, we can agree on this as well,I realized last night, I missed something.

It wasn’t by any chance the fact that the large, accurately scaled map of GGP in the center of the image could indicate the possibility that the treasure might, say, actually be in GGP?

Euhirudinea

It wasn’t by any chance the fact that the large, accurately scaled map of GGP in the center of the image could indicate the possibility that the treasure might, say, actually be in GGP?

nope it wasn’t that – I explored and dug my way through GGpark from 2000-2008
The first time I opened the book I looked at verse 12, I was living in the washington DC area. so it was obvious, verse 12 mentioning Congress, and L Sits and over his shoulder… Well it was obvious their was a casque in washington dc.
I spent way too much time looking – Actually probably was still looking there long after the chicago casque had been found, but had no way of knowing that at the time.
Anyway I learned from that if BP puts something obvious in front of you, its a red herring. He seemed to really enjoy those…

Those Fair Folk don’t play fair.

Unknown

Unknown:
Well it was obvious their was a casque in washington dc.

Unknown

Unknown:
Anyway I learned from that if BP puts something obvious in front of you, its a red herring.

Obvious, until you came to the realization than not a single one of the images even remotely suggests Washington DC, I hope. Which is essential knowledge that we all have now. The verses are full of nonsense. The images, not so much.
Often true, but only for the verse. But Palencar had to play by a different set of rules. So if there is something obvious in the image, we ignore it at our own peril. That’s the way the Chicago image works (fencepost-exactly rendered), that’s the way the Cleveland image works (wall-exactly rendered), and I’d like to believe that that’s the way the next solve will work.

Back on topic,
From far Cathay, the dragon’s
Chaste, perfect as the silver moon.
The two things in the image that sync with this line from the LotJ are the many moon’s in the sky and the mirrored “hG”. I think it’s fair to assess those two things as “something multiple” and the elemental name for Mercury. My take on this is in knowing that pure (chaste/perfect) silver is 99.9% or more commonly stamped .999 or just 999. I wonder if that’s a hint for Hell, given that it’s vertical flipping results in “666”. Hell, the underworld, ruled by Hades or Pluto connects to the god Mercury as he is the guide that lead souls to Pluto’s domain.
I think BP was most clever and precise in his writing of the LotJ and hoped it would inspire us casque seekers to approach the respective puzzles in a sensible way. We know the pearl is the focus of Image 1. We then look for something that connects Hell to a particular location.
I’m fully committed to the belief that this has to do with this giant door:
http://www.rodinmuseum.org/collections/ … eme/4.html

Euhirudinea

Often true, but only for the verse. But Palencar had to play by a different set of rules. So if there is something obvious in the image, we ignore it at our own peril. That’s the way the Chicago image works (fencepost-exactly rendered), that’s the way the Cleveland image works (wall-exactly rendered), and I’d like to believe that that’s the way the next solve will work.

Yes the fencepost was exactly rendered, that was a site confirmer something you can see from the casque burial site.
but each image has an iconic image that is the start of the quest. the Chicago Water tower, or the Cleveland Transit tower, neither near the actual casque site.
GGpark is the San Francisco image iconic
I too believe it will work out exactly like the others. I’m sure that there is a common methodology for each casque

maltedfalcon

Yes the fencepost was exactly rendered, that was a site confirmer something you can see from the casque burial site.
but each image has an iconic image that is the start of the quest. the Chicago Water tower, or the Cleveland Transit tower, neither near the actual casque site.
GGpark is the San Francisco image iconic
I too believe it will work out exactly like the others. I’m sure that there is a common methodology for each casque

Interesting. I never considered GGP as being the city’s image.
So, for consistency, each image should have:
-a set (partial or full) of coordinates
-an image to tie to a city
-an image of something (presumably random) that you would see when you are standing at the dig spot
Assuming that GGP is the city’s image, IMO, we still have the stonewall door/gate and the table leg that should match up to something. Agreed?
Assuming further, if the door/gate is to be represented at the Legion of Honor (which I like all of the visuals here), where is the table leg?

tjgrey

So, for consistency, each image should have:
-a set (partial or full) of coordinates

There are several images where no obvious coords have been found – Milwaukee, St Augustine, Roanoke…I’m dubious about any attempts to reduce these puzzles to a predictable system. There are some repeating elements, is all.

Euhirudinea

Often true, but only for the verse. But Palencar had to play by a different set of rules. So if there is something obvious in the image, we ignore it at our own peril.

There’s no difference between BP using red herrings in the verse and sending JJP pics of red herrings for the images. I think both elements have misdirection.

Just curious, have you read the forums, because we’ve gone over this stuff again and again.
we have solid connections for all that.
Monday, I am contacting the powers that be and getting permission to dig (again)

maltedfalcon

Yes. I do not remember. Unless you didn’t want to point things out again (which I would understand as of lately), was why I was asking again.

Choice

I think he wanted to obscure the fact that it’s a hexagon.

Or he wanted to obscure the fact that it is a circle. As it appears now, it is *neither* shape, and it a simple fuzzy glow.

Choice

I
think he wanted to obscure the fact that it’s a hexagon.

Or he wanted to obscure the fact that it is a circle. As it appears now, it is *neither* shape, and it a simple fuzzy glow.

looking at the book(s), it’s just a blue round glowing of the Pearl. Much like what you crop out,
I’ve scale it down using my iphone XS to almost exact size as the US book,
in the smaller books, due to difference in printing quality, especially the second version, these japanese papers were much better in quality compares to the US version.
and I don’t know how to explain to you, by gazing the image under the light, the details of the blue area becomes very HD? I can’t came up with a better word to describe it,
as if the image become negative. I tried to capture it with my phone but it’s really hard, one hand I’m holding the book with my other hand holding a phone…and here’s the photo, if holding it close, I can actually see every single one of those blue blocks on the dragon as well as the pebbles at the back. It’s really sharp and clear.
other image
but still, it’s round and doesn’t look hexagonal at all…IMO

I know it’s verboten here but I used my graphics program to isolate blue and I get this:
The pearl is perfectly round. Also the moons. I’m sure he could’ve done a better job of drawing a circle if in fact that’s what he wanted to draw.
Flower planters are off limit too.
I think he wanted to obscure the fact that it’s a hexagon.

Why do I see Bing [bot] and Google [bot] users in this forum? Are they ironic handles or actual bots? If real bots, why are they permitted in this forum?

you mean JJP purposely blurred it out?
For the flower planner part, if you saw what I posted in another thread, on the construction plan of the Greek Cultural Garden, where the cask was buried was clearly a Flower Plant.
Google and Bing records and collects data for cached from phpBB or vBulletin and many other forums all the time. Mostly just front page. Nothing unusual about it.
You didn’t read the agreements when you sign up?

Spiritr

You didn’t read the agreements when you sign up?
you mean JJP purposely blurred it out?

Heck no I didn’t!
Maybe, just so it’s not so obvious JJP obscured it, made it hazy to hide it in plain sight.

Choice

That’s a good point. If it’s meant to be a glowing halo around the pearl then It would be uneven and not perfectly round.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2YJduDyFA4
Now, going with the assumption that It’s a glowing halo around the pearl, shouldn’t we then be looking for a lamp post with a globe fixture or similar thing rather than a round pond or fountain?

Or, maybe….to paraphrase Sigmund….
“Sometimes, a pearl is just a pearl.”

Spiritr

it’s just a blue round glowing of the Pearl.

That’s a good point. If it’s meant to be a glowing halo around the pearl then It would be uneven and not perfectly round.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2YJduDyFA4
Now, going with the assumption that It’s a glowing halo around the pearl, shouldn’t we then be looking for a lamp post with a globe fixture or similar thing rather than a round pond or fountain?

Do you guys see any similarities to the image here…
https://i1.wp.com/www.bayarea.com/wp-co … 27px&ssl=1

MERLIN

Do you guys see any similarities to the image here…
https://i1.wp.com/www.bayarea.com/wp-co … 27px&ssl=1

maybe I can show you what I think is more similar,
I don’t know if you’re familiar with this one, the area above can be seen facing east of this image

MERLIN

Do you guys see any similarities to the image here…
https://i1.wp.com/www.bayarea.com/wp-co … 27px&ssl=1

maybe
I
can show you what
I
think is more similar,
I
don’t know if you’re familiar with this one, the area above can be seen facing east
of
this image

Unknown

Unknown:
Now, going with the assumption that It’s a glowing halo around the pearl, shouldn’t we then be looking for a lamp post with a globe fixture or similar thing rather than a round pond or fountain?

Based on what’s found and using those image as relevant references, no, I don’t think the round glowing light has anything to do with the buried spot.
But if you’re suggesting to look for light poles and round shaped fixtures, then Yes, I think we should
I recommend visiting the history room on the 6th floor of the main library to anyone who is interested in history of the city.
*Avoid driving at all cost.

Unknown

Unknown:
Now, going with the assumption that It’s a glowing halo around the pearl, shouldn’t we then be looking for a lamp post with a globe fixture or similar thing rather than a round pond or fountain?

Based on what’s found and using those image as relevant references, no,
I
don’t think the round glowing light has anything to do with the buried spot.
But if you’re suggesting to look for light poles and round shaped fixtures, then Yes,
I
think we should
I
recommend visiting the history room on the 6th floor
of
the main library to anyone who is interested in history
of
the city.
*Avoid driving at all cost.

Spiritr

Oh, btw, if you like Japanese cuisine, have you ever tried their Curry dishes?
next time if you’re having Japanese food, see if they have this one on their menu
Chicken 그囗У木”

I don’t care for Japanese food. Love Chinese tho. When I was a kid I wanted to open a Chinese restaurant in NYC and call it
“I’m wokin hea”
But I couldn’t cook!

LOL did you know the word “hea” means “careless” and “perfunctory” in Chinese?

I ran across an image that was very close to these moons in an old tourist book for the San Fransisco area, but I thought that the area was too far away from our area of interest.  The radar guidance installations on the hills above Rodeo Valley look like several white moons all in a row (at least 5 that I can count in the picture).  These were built in the 1950s during the nuclear build up, Nike missiles, etc.  May not apply–But the picure is intriguing.  I will try to post it.

Also,  with in GGP there is a rose garden around 10th ave and Presidio blvd, but within the park itself –just off of
J
ohn F Kennedy Drive.  I have looked at this in Google earth and could not draw any conclusions.  But the rose with its stem in the shape of a “J” made me think about this area.

Wow, those cliffs around Cliff House in the virtual tour look just like the cliffs in the picture.  The door in the cliff could be a primitive rebus, meaning “cliff house.”  I think you need to focus on the verse now.

Wow, those cliffs around Cliff House in the virtual tour look just like the cliffs in the picture.  The door in the cliff could be a primitive rebus, meaning “cliff house.”
I
think you need to focus on the verse now.

OK, I am now convinced that verse 7 has more ties to image 1 than the NO image.
It’s at that cliff house Falcon. Figure out how to get it!!
wilhouse

OK,
I
am now convinced that verse 7 has more ties to image 1 than the NO image.
It’s at that cliff house Falcon. Figure out how to get it!!
wilhouse

Oh I hope not
seriously the ground around it is all gone. they are totally redoing it , and the parking area and the facade and the building was totally gutted.
Sparky

Oh
I
hope not
seriously the ground around it is all gone. they are totally redoing it , and the parking area and the facade and the building was totally gutted.
Sparky

perhaps it is near the house and not on the house grounds. what happens when you look near that totem pole in the picture?
wilhouse

Thats what I meant its gone,
The totem pole is gone, the sidewalk is gone, the camera obscura building is gone, the mechanical museum is gone…
its a large work area with bulldozers cranes and
Its totally being remodeled. you cant get there now.

Thats what
I
meant its gone,
The totem pole is gone, the sidewalk is gone, the camera obscura building is gone, the mechanical museum is gone…
its a large work area with bulldozers cranes and
Its totally being remodeled. you cant get there now.

That’s what happened to me in Hermann Park.  It’s a frustrating puzzle when the pieces no longer exist.
Have you tried talking with the foreman about out thoughts on the treasure? Perhaps someone found something, or maybe they’ll let you poke around sometimes.
I wish Preiss would let up and let us know when we’ve submitted a correct solution, but he’s just not that interested.
wilhouse

That’s what happened to me in Hermann Park.  It’s a frustrating puzzle when the pieces no longer exist.
Have you tried talking with the foreman about out thoughts on the treasure? Perhaps someone found something, or maybe they’ll let you poke around sometimes.
I
wish Preiss would let up and let us know when we’ve submitted a correct solution, but he’s just not that interested.
wilhouse

Glad you could finally join us on these boards Abqram.
Let me tell you, after day after day, week after week, month after(….yeah, you get the picture) of trying to get my wife interested or involved in my crazy escapades to no avail…it sure is nice to have a buddy of mine hooked.
Welcome again…and feel free to spill you guts (no matter how crazy the ideas seem) as falcon pointed out – it’s good to have new ideas circulating around here.

Glad you could finally join us on these boards Abqram.
Let me tell you, after day after day, week after week, month after(….yeah, you get the picture)
of
trying to get my wife interested or involved in my crazy escapades to no avail…it sure is nice to have a buddy
of
mine hooked.
Welcome again…and feel free to spill you guts (no matter how crazy the ideas seem) as falcon pointed out – it’s good to have new ideas circulating around here.

Choice

Also may consider statue of Sun Yat-Sen in St. Mary’s Square, one block away from Dragon’s Gate. Note the crack in the middle you pointed out earlier.

Yes I like that one as a possibility as well, it has the folded hands (also pointing at the fold) and a similar facial expression.

Choice

Also may consider statue
of
Sun Yat-Sen in St. Mary’s Square, one block away from Dragon’s Gate. Note the crack in the middle you pointed out earlier.

Yes
I
like that one as a possibility as well, it has the folded hands (also pointing at the fold) and a similar facial expression.

This is a cool picture. It looks like the mermaid is holding the cask!

mariska

I was kinda hoping for a statue of Confucius in San Francisco being an exact match for the man in the mountain
… wishful thinking …

There’s always the fortune teller on Grant. No clue how old it is tho.
Also may consider statue of Sun Yat-Sen in St. Mary’s Square, one block away from Dragon’s Gate. Note the crack in the middle you pointed out earlier.

mariska

I
was kinda hoping for a statue
of
Confucius in San Francisco being an exact match for the man in the mountain
… wishful thinking …

There’s always the fortune teller on Grant. No clue how old it is tho.
Also may consider statue
of
Sun Yat-Sen in St. Mary’s Square, one block away from Dragon’s Gate. Note the crack in the middle you pointed out earlier.

Merlot Brougham

This is the image 2 thread so I wont discuss the frustration involved in the Image 1 “Gh” being the Ghirardelli building.

Occam’s Razor: Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.
In 1980 the Golden Gate Park Tourist map had the Great highway labeled using the font that was identical to these letters.
when you reversed the dress it superimposed directly over the park as outlined on the map and the G and H sat on the Great Highway part of the map, also the H in Highway was lower case.
Since the G and the H are on the great highway and the map lines up with the tourist map exactly.
Ghirardelli square probably has nothing to do with this hunt.

I was doing some snooping around for another hunt (
Quest: In Search of the Dragon Tooth
) and noticed something peculiar. There is a more than passing resemblance between the rocks in Image 1 and the backgrounds of a pair of famous Da Vinci paintings called
Madonna of the Rocks
or
Virgin of the Rocks
. Images can be found everywhere, so I won’t post them here. See:
http://www.lairweb.org.nz/leonardo/rocks.html
http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=15432
http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=1980
To see my findings relevant to
Quest
, visit the Q4T
forum
on that book.

Unknown

Unknown:
The shape of the windows in Coit Tower match that of Image 1 (unique to that image)

I don’t know why I said this. Clearly Image 12 has the same arch shape to it, as do the panels just before Image 1 and just after Image 12. It may not be significant at all.

malt, I think the issue with whether or not the L marker was in that exact spot is something to consider but it should at least be recognized that it was likely there for the greater portion of a century.  The main reason for it having been moved wouldv been when the lot was being redone or had it been vandalised.  I think we are just short of real proof but we have good cause to believe it may have been intact at the time of this puzzle’s creation.  I certainly expect it to have been there based on my recent theory.
The Clash of the Titans film isn’t really the reason for considering the Aegis.  I believe that comes from reading the Iliad and the Odyssey.

Durian

IMO, the moons are eleven because they are eleven glowing objects when you start the puzzle where the air smells sweet: under the eleven letters of the Ghirardelli sign (and behind it, hence the reversed “Gh”):

I agree also with this. You also have the offset barred window under the center moon in the image, which would fall roughly in the line of Alcatraz being offset from the Ghirardelli building.

Durian

IMO, the moons are eleven because they are eleven glowing objects when you start the puzzle where the air smells sweet: under the eleven letters of the Ghirardelli sign (and behind it, hence the reversed “Gh”):

That is an interesting point. I’m working solutions down where you are, GGP and up at the LOH. MF has made a very strong case for the LOH. In my solution where you are my stone walls door and the air smells sweet is at GS then I move to the FW sign where there are 3 wooden high posts. I have since called into question whether the high posts are wooden. So Sutro tower is still in play as far as high posts.

Maybe the moons represent the round balls on top of these brick pillars – there are at least 8 other similar balls inside the garden and on top of SP’s wall.
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/ … isco-5.jpg

http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/ … G_0718.jpg

@Merlot,
This may satisfy Japanese translation of the verse.
At the base of the hill driving towards Coit (Lombard/Telegraph hill) is the inventor of radio, Marconi’s memorial.
Inscribed in Latin is “Fvlgvra praevertens vacvam vox permeat aethram.”
“Outstripping (faster than) the lightning, the voice races through the empty sky”
Reference in painting: Top left corner, often referred to as observatory or Palace of Fine Art.
https://www.artandarchitecture-sf.com/g … orial.html
https://tinyurl.com/y7mod6ro

This is good stuff Durian.

correct, that’s the general idea
but the problem is the material, and the correlation elements.
How do you connect a Dutch painting in Netherland to the Blarney Castle in Ireland? and connects to Chicago?
How? By the color? the loop?
and…who is JPP?

Durian

Regarding “The Virgin of the Rocks,” wouldn’t it be funny if that San Carlos plaque embedded in a rock does turn out to be the spot we’re supposed to be looking for? We know there are puns and hints in the other puzzles, for example the choice of “Girl With a Pearl Earring” for the Chicago painting, getting us thinking about the Loop district (along with multiple rings and loops in the image). And obviously for SF, “The Rock.”

“Girl With a Pearl Earring”??? for the Chicago painting???????
the oil canvas painting by Johannes Vermeer displays over at Mauritshuis, Netherland?

Unknown

Unknown:
You don’t need to connect these things necessarily. They are separate thoughts…

I see

Durian

JJP, my bad—I keep messing that up!
You don’t need to connect these things necessarily. They are separate thoughts…
I think of the images as collages… Preiss took a bunch of photos, gave them to JJP, told JJP what he wanted emphasized, and then let him go to work.
JJP was assigned a task with parameters and goals that needed to be accomplished in order for the puzzles to work. So he used his art training and knowledge to weave a visual narrative—just like the writers who wrote the verses used words to create a written narrative. JJP incorporated imagery that would support the verses, imagery he was given, imagery that would support Preiss’ desire to highlight immigration, and imagery out of his own head to give us visual clues for solving the puzzles…
In Chicago he wanted us to think Loop district, so he chose a painting to match (Girl with the Pearl Earring), and visuals (all the rings and loops in the image) to get us there.
It doesn’t matter that the painter is Dutch—it’s all about the clue. It doesn’t matter that Blarney Castle isn’t in Chicago, it’s about the immigration reference. It doesn’t matter that the water tower isn’t a windmill, that came out of JJP’s head to get us thinking windy city and Chicago. It doesn’t matter Lincoln wasn’t a gnome, he’s there because he is a clue in one of the verses…
Also, I believe the immigration references are
extremely
important in these puzzles, and they are emphasized. I personally think there are multiple references to Angel Island in the SF puzzle, for example. Preiss wanted it that way. And JJP incorporated them where he could.
And the verses are supported by the imagery. If it’s in the verses, then there’s probably something in the image—real or out of JJP’s imagination—to support the verse. In SF, I believe examples are the cable car bell (sounds from the sky), the compass pointing north (North Point St.), etc. And I believe JJP used his imagination to give us images to guide us through the puzzles (“Madonna of the Rocks”/Alcatraz, the moons/Ghirardelli sign letters, etc.)

Here is another area of interest in GGP that looks a little like your rock and plaque.
Here is a different view showing 1 of 2 rather large flag poles.
The lady in the image could be the Chinese goddess of the moon.
https://www.google.com/search?biw=375&bih=635&hl=en-US&ei=jBa5W4K-PPLQ9APvuYGwCQ&ins=false&q=the+chinese+goddess+of+the+moon&oq=the+chinese+goddess+of+the+&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.1.1.0i22i30j33i299l3.536688.563056..567499…5.0..4.322.10035.0j11j32j2……0….1…….3..0j41j46j0i71j46i67j0i67j46i131i67j46i131j0i131j41i70j46i13j0i13j0i13i30j33i22i29i30.pOjI-e6atNY
The Chinese celebrate the Mid-Autumn Moon Festival. I’m still not sure what the significance of the number of 11 moons is.

Rviewer1

I’m working up at the LOH. MF is up there and has El Cids Spear/Banner as his giant pole. The method I’m trying to use is to use the giant pole to line me up on a location confirmation image or verse or an object of Twain’s attention and draw a straight line from the giant pole to arrive at the exact dig location. For example in the case of the LOH. I would draw a straight line from El Cids spear/ banner out to fort mason as fort mason is an object of Twain’s attention. That line if you trace it back from fort mason lands roughly on the lawn close to the lion on El Cid’s side.
I’m using a column as my Giant pole.

After rethinking my above method, I can see that it is too arbitrary. For example I could have chosen “Stone Walls Door” or even Joan of Arc to draw my line. Once you have identified your giant pole, the giant step should be immediately obvious. If it’s not then you have likely chosen the wrong giant pole.

Choice

Back to my “Coit sundial” theory!
Looking closely to the base of the clock on the table and the shadow it casts I notice 2 sharp angle points, one on each side of the base (yellow 2 and 3) and one point in the middle (yellow 1). IMO they can match either the base of the Coit tower or even more interestingly the POV of someone looking straight down from observation deck (red oval) the outline of the tower itself. Even the extended clock shadow matches the shadow of the arched window. Only 5x zoom. Any feedback?

I believe those are legs on a desk alarm clock, like a Westclock which used to be really popular.

gManTexas

I believe those are legs on a desk alarm clock, like a Westclock which used to be really popular.

Yes, and the table has a leg too. But there’s a hidden meaning (match) in everything here.

gManTexas

I believe those are legs on a desk alarm clock, like a Westclock which used to be really popular.

Yes, just compared it to a few of the scans/photos of the image I have. I think these are legs (left and right) but not really seeing anything in the center.

If there isn’t a point in the middle then it’s a match to the base of the tower.
The picture to the left looks like 2 concave curves and the one in the middle looks like one convex.
https://i.imgur.com/jP4zqcd.png

so the hidden message is “legs” ?

Choice

If there isn’t a point in the middle then it’s a match to the base of the tower.
The picture to the left looks like to concave curves and the one in the middle looks like one convex.
https://i.imgur.com/jP4zqcd.png

The 4th image on the right is an actual photo of the image, the 1st, 2nd and 3rd images are separate scans of different books. As you can see, each scan has its differences and each book has its own print issue such as little blobs here and there.

Spiritr

so the hidden message is “legs” ?

No, as with everything else in the image, the shape of the clock, including the shadow should match something. Either a structure or natural feature or layout/map of someplace. It has a distinctive shadow.

Durian

Can’t copy the image address, but check the link:
Https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-san-c … 85685.html

We get it, you really like the plaque.

You are persistent!
What does that have to do with a clock?
My argument is that Coit tower is the gnomon of a sundial.
What is the connection of the plaque to a clock?

Choice

You are persistent!
What does that have to do with a clock?
My argument is that Coit tower is the gnomon of a sundial.
What is the connection of the plaque to a clock?

BTW, most of the community here has rejected the notion of using shadows of structures as clues, so that is probably why you are getting much feedback. That and the fact that most people have either drifted away or are only lurking.
The shadow issue is partly due to the nightmare that was the Masquerade, but also, that there are too many variables involved.

Sundials and sun shadows? That doesnt seem like a good methid for this puzzle. It is problematic in so many ways…but the simulation of such a method in a setting is possible.
The concept isnt out of the question, its just not well justified in San Francisco, where neither the image nor verse seem to help give us this sort of indication. In Houston, the Raiders of the Losr Ark idea at least fit an actual scene where a fixed object represented the “sun” and the focus if the Atropos Key’s diamond (four equal sided figure) center allowed for an alignment that points to the same spot on the ground regardless of the time. The image contained long shadows and several same way facing figures (camel, rhino, genie), which help support a directional motif like a sundial.
San Francisco’s puzzle does have a literal 6 o’clock reading clock oncentered on a circular table top like a sundial, so its possible theres an idea or simulation of a ray source object-focus. You have to determine what those two things are, however. Is it the thing running north or the object of Twain’s attention?

Choice

No, as with everything else in the image, the shape of the clock, including the shadow should match something. Either a structure or natural feature or layout/map of someplace.

ok, I’m going to share what I know with you on this one, it’s not sarcasm. Because you are very close to the truth AGAIN.
So let’s talk about the image, image only, for now.
With everything we know so far of image 1, we know it’s June because of the rose, we know it’s a Pearl and it’s valuable meaning to BP because that’s his mother’s name, we know it’s San Francisco within the given coordinates.
The theme of the Image was based on the painting Virgin of the Rocks, the London version.
this “clock” might be the only object that obsess you from seeing what’s really in the image, the entire “table” including the rose, it’s leafs, it’s stem, all the way to the bottom of Palencar’s signature is a
map
, since you point out the shadow of the clock, it’s actually indicating North, using that as a directional indicator, 4 numbers in the clock’s face as N S E W, 3 is N, 6 is E, 9 is S, and 12 is W.
using google map, you should be able to match the bottom of the table to the actual map within section 1 of San Francisco.
do some research if you don’t know what section 1 is.
further discussion on the “shadow”, in order to accurately pinpoint the casting of shadow, you will need the time of the day, day of the month, and month of the year.
Of the image , the hour we’re looking at should be 6, but we don’t know if it’s am or pm. If you suggest the tower as a sundial then the hour we’re looking for would be 6pm because the tower opens from 10am-6pm.
So in June, if you look down from the top of the tower at 6pm, the view of it’s shadow could be your key to unlock the casque.
It will cost you $7, but before 1985, it’s free.

Durian

GMan, are you talking shadows of structures themselves, or structures outlined in shadow by the artist?

Structures like buildings, poles, trees, etc. casting shadows to reveal the casque location.
I mean really, who makes a puzzle that is only good on one or two days a year? Also, if the location depends on a shadow, if the object casting the shadow is destroyed or moved, then the clue no longer works.

My thought is that if we were even to consider a shadow, it should be in a location that gets sun at least 300 days a year.

Spiritr

this “clock” might be the only object that obsess you from seeing what’s really in the image, the entire “table” including the rose, it’s leafs, it’s stem, all the way to the bottom of Palencar’s signature is a
map
, since you point out the shadow of the clock, it’s actually indicating North, using that as a directional indicator, 4 numbers in the clock’s face as N S E W, 3 is N, 6 is E, 9 is S, and 12 is W.
using google map, you should be able to match the bottom of the table to the actual map within section 1 of San Francisco.
do some research if you don’t know what section 1 is.

Okay, I’ll bite. I would assume that by sections you mean districts? District 1 being Richmond? If not, then just tell us. If you have a good map overlay for the table, then also just tell us.
Since you posted it, you will get credit for the find.

This is how San Francisco is planned and divided.

Spiritr

District 1 being Richmond????

I don’t live there. That’s why I said I’m assuming political districts.
https://sfbos.org/sites/default/files/F … map_lg.pdf

Spiritr

sigh~

Do it your way! You’ll always be a couple of hundred feet off target.

erexere

Sundials and sun shadows? That doesnt seem like a good methid for this puzzle. It is problematic in so many ways…but the simulation of such a method in a setting is possible.
The concept isnt out of the question, its just not well justified in San Francisco, where neither the image nor verse seem to help give us this sort of indication. In Houston, the Raiders of the Losr Ark idea at least fit an actual scene where a fixed object represented the “sun” and the focus if the Atropos Key’s diamond (four equal sided figure) center allowed for an alignment that points to the same spot on the ground regardless of the time. The image contained long shadows and several same way facing figures (camel, rhino, genie), which help support a directional motif like a sundial.
San Francisco’s puzzle does have a literal 6 o’clock reading clock oncentered on a circular table top like a sundial, so its possible theres an idea or simulation of a ray source object-focus. You have to determine what those two things are, however. Is it the thing running north or the object of Twain’s attention?

Image indicates the shadow of the clock points to 3 o’clock direction (east). Note the “3” with thorns. That’s bay bridge.
You don’t need to create a model to figure due east direction. 6PM, time indicated on the clock is when a eastward shadow is cast in the summer.
Depending on which verse you use. Verse 10 has clear indication of tower and shadow and eastward direction and number of steps, twice as many as time on clock.

gManTexas

My thought is that if we were even to consider a shadow, it should be in a location that gets sun at least 300 days a year.

Why? Theme is rose, pearl, 6, June.

Spiritr

District 1 being Richmond?
I’m sorry but please go back and do more research on history of San Francisco, or how the city was planned.
The thing about posting such image would lead to a lot of controversy, you see there are people who’s looking in GGP, some even say they are going to the Maritime Museum and look for clues, telling them it’s a waste of time is very cruel. So might as well let them find out on their own.

Do you realize how ridiculous this is? The only thing controversial is your statement.

here’s is 1:1 3D model that I’m currently working on, with the architectural plans I have.
using the base aerial view image that was captured in Oct, around 4pm, that the basic idea of shadow casting
once I’m done with everything, and geo-locate this on google earth, I will be able to show you exactly how everything will look in any time and date I wish to see.

gManTexas

Do you realize how ridiculous this is? The only thing controversial is your statement.

No I don’t think it’s ridiculous at all, of me trying to be peaceful and fair is ridiculous to you?
I can’t say others are wrong because I have nothing to proof I’m right, you understand?
that’s why I’m only here to discuss a certain theory and ideas that could possibility be clues to what’s in the image.

Choice

Why? Theme is rose, pearl, 6, June.

That’s irrelevant. In order to see a shadow, you need sun. SF isn’t the sunniest place. Also, like I said, why would anyone make a puzzle, hoping to sell millions of copies of the book, and limit the possible solution to 1 or two days a year? I’m just not buying this proposal.
There has not been any evidence that the month connected to each puzzle has any bearing on being able to solve the puzzle, reveal the dig spot or even any pattern that I know of.

The whole point is you do not need to see the shadow and calculate the exact time and date to get the general direction. The table puzzle tells you that. 3 o’clock direction towards bay bridge. That’s all you need to know.

Spiritr

No I don’t think it’s ridiculous at all, of me trying to be peaceful and fair is ridiculous to you?
I can’t say others are wrong because I have nothing to proof I’m right, you understand?
that’s why I’m only here to discuss a certain theory and ideas that could possibility be clues to what’s in the image.

Then discuss. You don’t have to be cryptic. Post your map overlay and others will give an opinion. From what I’ve seen lately, it is actually pretty calm here. I think people can be civil.

If it makes sense, go for it.
I’ve learned in my own exploits (i.e. extraordinary thought experiments) that many things are possible, yet they arent reasonable in terms of what we have learned about Byron Preiss’ methods. In other words, what we *think* is going on is different from actual experience in the real world.
I find a lot of ideas are worth pursuing, but only to the point where there is a clear and indisputable return. Sun and shadow was a fun twist for Masquerade. It doesnt feel right for the Secret to use the same exact method.

it’s not a overlay map and I’m not being cryptic, I even post the district map as per your question, go back 1 page and you’ll see it.

This is practically what I already covered.
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&hilit=flip&start=3021
[added]
Also I believe the orientation of table is correct. Shadow points to 3 o’clock direction which is 6PM-ish in summer sundial time (due east).
I mentioned this before too.
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&hilit=correction&start=3015

Choice

Shadow points to 3 o’clock which is 6PM sundial time (due east).

it’s either you didn’t read what I wrote, or simply ignored it.
as far as I know, “sundial” only shows sunny hours from 7am to 5pm.

Spiritr

it’s either you didn’t read what I wrote, or simply ignored it.
as far as I know, “sundial” only shows sunny hours from 7am to 5pm.

In the summer on top of a hill the tower can cast shadow well after 5PM. It wouldn’t be sunset till after 8:30PM in June.

erexere

Sundials and sun shadows? That doesnt seem like a good methid for this puzzle. It is problematic in so many ways…but the simulation of such a method in a setting is possible.
The concept isnt out of the question, its just not well justified in San Francisco, where neither the image nor verse seem to help give us this sort of indication. In Houston, the Raiders of the Losr Ark idea at least fit an actual scene where a fixed object represented the “sun” and the focus if the Atropos Key’s diamond (four equal sided figure) center allowed for an alignment that points to the same spot on the ground regardless of the time. The image contained long shadows and several same way facing figures (camel, rhino, genie), which help support a directional motif like a sundial.
San Francisco’s puzzle does have a literal 6 o’clock reading clock oncentered on a circular table top like a sundial, so its possible theres an idea or simulation of a ray source object-focus. You have to determine what those two things are, however. Is it the thing running north or the object of Twain’s attention?

I’m working up at the LOH. MF is up there and has El Cids Spear/Banner as his giant pole. The method I’m trying to use is to use the giant pole to line me up on a location confirmation image or verse or an object of Twain’s attention and draw a straight line from the giant pole to arrive at the exact dig location. For example in the case of the LOH. I would draw a straight line from El Cids spear/ banner out to fort mason as fort mason is an object of Twain’s attention. That line if you trace it back from fort mason lands roughly on the lawn close to the lion on El Cid’s side.
I’m using a column as my Giant pole.

gManTexas

My thought is that if we were even to consider a shadow, it should be in a location that gets sun at least 300 days a year.

or its a shadow from a street lamp

ok, even tho I’m still very confused on how you’re trying to interpret this “clock” or “compass” that you claimed is not a “clock” nor “compass”…
but you get the idea of the shadow’s time, which I personally believe is correct.

Spiritr

again, you skipped my question
but it doesn’t matter, you get the idea of the shadow’s time, which I personally believe is correct.

Also one major thing wrong with your model. The tower should stand where the statue of Columbus is to match the table diagram.

wait, which model are you talking about?
what’s wrong with my model? please explain in details

Spiritr

my model is wrong? how?
because it is unfinished ? that makes it wrong???

No, it’s wrong because it has to follow the table diagram. Move the tower to where Columbus stands then you’re done.

first of all I have no idea what’s a “table diagram”
this model that I’m currently still working on and is based on the tower’s actual site plan and it’s actual geo location
whatever you see is exactly how it is in real life, so it can’t be wrong.

I explained it to you already. Not a clock, not a compass but a sundial. If you want to call it a clock then fine. Splitting hair.
You can’t have the gnomon 200 feet away from the face of the sundial. On the table, clock sits in the middle of the round table (Columbus turn-about).
Table leg (Coit tower) is in the middle of the table like any normal table. Flip the table over (spiral sign) and the tower sits in the middle of the table, middle of the turn-about where Columbus stands. Then you have a proper clock/sundial.

You guys have a completely different definition of the word “giant”

sigh~

Choice

There are many poles in that area. Here is a model:
Here’s the column of progress:
On an unrelated subject (from pole!) here’s Mural ‘Justice’ by artist Frank Van Sloun at the San Francisco Elks Club

that is them eh, i wasnt totally sure cause theres only 8 (the other 4 are in center area, as those ones aren’t ones from the original photo you posted)…but i kinda figured…there other one is substantially bigger…

can you see this one in the model? (would be just off to right of top and just off to left of bottom image)…

Look up “tower of jewels” Josh

yes im well familiarwith it…the pole im speaking of is located on opposite side parallel to palace of fine arts.

It was suggested that “in jewel’s direction” may refer to tower of jewels.
I still think it’s east to NYC.

JoshCornell

yes im well familiarwith it…the pole im speaking of is located on opposite side parallel to palace of fine arts.

There are many poles in that area. Here is a model:
Here’s the column of progress:
On an unrelated subject (from pole!) here’s Mural ‘Justice’ by artist Frank Van Sloun at the San Francisco Elks Club

Pole! Uhh haa …
Rod munch!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLCUXyEjxHY

Unknown

Unknown:
This verse seems so stingy compared to some of the others.

If you look at the Verse 7 Thread, you’ll see that they had most of the verse figured out almost from the beginning. The problem seems to be that no one made the leap from “giant step” to “giant steps”. For want of an “s”, this thing might have been dug up 10 years ago, if in fact we are finally in the right place. But if we are, it’s the Image that supports the solve. The verse is almost useless.

treetops

Why not the landing in the middle of the staircase as the “giant step”? That’s one way of looking at it.
I sure wish something in the vicinity sang out as “Object of Twain’s attention.” This verse seems so stingy compared to some of the others.

Stingy indeed. “Seek columns for the search”…”fence and fixture”…”giant pole, giant step”…all seem like strong nudges when the right vicinity has been sleuthed.
I strongly believe the big thought involved with “giant pole, giant step” is allusion to the moon landing for the purpose of signifying someting to do with either a flagpole, a reference to Apollo, or the number 11, since the Apollo 11 mission involved significant focus on placing a US flag on the moon and involved the memorable phrase “…one giant leap for mankind”.
How many orbs are counted in the sky above in image 1? Isnt it 11?

Many of these Images have two numbers that give us latitude and longitude. As I have studied these I realized that some of the second sets of numbers that people say are the other latitude and longitude coordinates, actually have two meanings. Thanks to Macfos for getting me to see these possibilities months ago.
For example in San Francisco the 122 and the 123, ….the 123 is not only the next longitude coordinate in line but also a zip code clue for Fort Mason 94123 which is the Western border for the Aquatic Park.
Also when it comes to the number 38 in our Russian girl’s hair, that’s the next latitude number in line for San Francisco but it is also important to another border of the Aquatic Park. The South End Rowing Club used to be located on the South End of San Francisco until the boathouse was moved to where it sits today on Jefferson Street in 1938.

yeah i’ve read the thread and see the coordinates.  I don’t doubt for a second that this one is San Fran.  I was just looking for clarification on how you came up with 34 using the fingers (i see now).  I think that is a stretch to count the number of rows of blocks above the fingers.  However, I think you may have stumbled upon something with 34th Ave.  What I was getting at was this:
Once you have mirrored the image so that it is oriented correctly, look at the symbols on the collarbones.  If you count the points of each you get 34 and 40.  If you count the edges you get 34 and 41.  Golden Gate Park is between the two sets of symbols.  I interpret this to possibly mean limit your search in GGP to the area that falls between 34th and 40th (or 41st) Avenue.

yeah
i
‘ve read the thread and see the coordinates.
I
don’t doubt for a second that this one is San Fran.
I
was just looking for clarification on how you came up with 34 using the fingers (
i
see now).
I
think that is a stretch to count the number
of
rows
of
blocks above the fingers.  However,
I
think you may have stumbled upon something with 34th Ave.  What
I
was getting at was this:
Once you have mirrored the image so that it is oriented correctly, look at the symbols on the collarbones.  If you count the points
of
each you get 34 and 40.  If you count the edges you get 34 and 41.  Golden Gate Park is between the two sets
of
symbols.
I
interpret this to possibly mean limit your search in GGP to the area that falls between 34th and 40th (or 41st) Avenue.

Scrappy, are you considering Grace/Huntington solution?

Choice

Scrappy, are you considering Grace/Huntington solution?

I’ve been researching it since I found those 2 symbols on a nearby building. Haven’t come up with much of anything else though. There is some really cool history behind the park.
The flagpole that is in the park now was in a different spot back in the 70s/80s. There was a flagpole in the area directly across from the Flood Fountain where the circular flower bed is now. Area wasn’t quite as paved then either.
http://ronhenggeler.com/Newsletters/201 … etter.html

I looked into it a while back and soon found out the hiding places are all redone and pristine. I concentrated the search on the small strip of lawn between Grace cathedral and Huntington park, just because of G/H and pearl being in the middle by the fountain. Considered the steeple pole as well.

I found an “image match” that locks verse 7 to Montreal – after that everything started falling into place.

The whole purpose of cloud share solving is to SHARE! Otherwise you are a cloud snoop/parasite. My experience is the people that claim the biggest are the most nothing-burgers. Afterall the empty barrel makes that loudest noise. So share or be judged!

Looking at the character in image 9 – the lower curls of his hair – above his left shoulder – spell out the word “justice” – justice for all to see.

MERLIN

Looking at the character in image 9 – the lower curls of his hair – above his left shoulder – spell out the word “justice” – justice for all to see.

I see JUSREC

It’s not easy to make out – the T is large and extends over the other characters – but it’s all there.

Even if you shoehorn T and I in there, E comes before C.

Palencar gets really creative with some of his letters – and he’s definitely not just going to throw it out there clear as a bell – look at how funny some of the lon/lat numbers were shaped. SF will never be solved with verse 7…..Malted had it right 10 years ago.

I tried! I just can’t see it. All I come up with is JUS and REC or RECA. Maybe it’s some sort of juice in french!
Perhaps you should post an image with justice traced.

I haven’t even figured out how to post pics to this board yet.

Is this it?

Choice

Is this it?

Nice work Choice!!! That is Damn close! I have the final E a little higher upwards in the hair….BUT you are definitely seeing what I see.

Choice

Is this it?

Nice work Choice!!! That is Damn close!
I
have the final E a little higher upwards in the hair….BUT you are definitely seeing what
I
see.

A bit forced but hey why not. There’s an R next to T as well. Maybe he’s ordering side dish!

Choice

A bit forced but hey why not. There’s an R next to T as well. Maybe he’s ordering side dish!

The R
is telling us were “RIGHT ON THE MONEY BABEEEEE”!!!!!

Oh we’re so gonna build that stonewall; on the northern border!

Choice

Oh we’re so gonna build that stonewall; on the northern border!

Hey Choice….I’m going to try to move the rest of this to the image 9 thread – let me know if your still around.

Choice

Oh we’re so gonna build that stonewall; on the northern border!

Hey Choice….
I
‘m going to try to move the rest
of
this to the image 9 thread – let me know if your still around.

Ok, which verse goes with image 1 then? Verse 6?
Choice, as far as sounds from the sky, I was going on the Japanese hint that you needed a device to hear them. Having said that, it does not effect my LOH solution. Before the Japanese translation, I had the sounds from the sky coming from highway 1.

Ok, which verse goes with image 1 then? Verse 6?
Choice, as far as sounds from the sky,
I
was going on the Japanese hint that you needed a device to hear them. Having said that, it does not effect my LOH solution. Before the Japanese translation,
I
had the sounds from the sky coming from highway 1.

So radio waves narrows the puzzle down to the planet’s atmosphere. Not much help with that clue.
Hwy 1 is about 2 miles away from L of H, in the middle of Richmond district. So not close, no soup for you.

So radio waves narrows the puzzle down to the planet’s atmosphere. Not much help with that clue.
Hwy 1 is about 2 miles away from L
of
H, in the middle
of
Richmond district. So not close, no soup for you.

Choice

So radio waves narrows the puzzle down to the planet’s atmosphere. Not much help with that clue.
Hwy 1 is about 2 miles away from L of H, in the middle of Richmond district. So not close, no soup for you.

No, I still have some soup as you know that Hwy 1 goes through GGP. I’m going from GGP down 34th st to clement and take the LOH drive. That’s a walk in the park for me. Sorry about the pun.
So what verse does Merlin attribute to image 1

Choice

So radio waves narrows the puzzle down to the planet’s atmosphere. Not much help with that clue.
Hwy 1 is about 2 miles away from L
of
H, in the middle
of
Richmond district. So not close, no soup for you.

No,
I
still have some soup as you know that Hwy 1 goes through GGP.
I
’m going from GGP down 34th st to clement and take the LOH drive. That’s a walk in the park for me. Sorry about the pun.
So what verse does Merlin attribute to image 1

I honestly believe that verse 10 belongs with SF image 1.

I
honestly believe that verse 10 belongs with SF image 1.

I will have check that out. Thanks Merlin.

I
will have check that out. Thanks Merlin.

Rviewer1

No, I still have some soup as you know that Hwy 1 goes through GGP. I’m going from GGP down 34th st to clement and take the LOH drive.

I’d buy it if HWY 1 was on a overpass and you were walking underneath. Like if you’re riding a bike or walking from GG bridge (west side) and go under the bridge to get to the Presidio or baker beach. Arguing that sound travels in the sky is not an option! NO SOUP FOR YOU!

Rviewer1

No,
I
still have some soup as you know that Hwy 1 goes through GGP.
I
’m going from GGP down 34th st to clement and take the LOH drive.

I
‘d buy it if HWY 1 was on a overpass and you were walking underneath. Like if you’re riding a bike or walking from GG bridge (west side) and go under the bridge to get to the Presidio or baker beach. Arguing that sound travels in the sky is not an option! NO SOUP FOR YOU!

Choice

I’d buy it if HWY 1 was on a overpass and you were walking underneath. Like if you’re riding a bike or walking from GG bridge (west side) and go under the bridge to get to the Presidio or baker beach. Arguing that sound travels in the sky is not an option! NO SOUP FOR YOU!

I having a late dinner tonight and the only thing I have in my refrigerator is some pea soup. So I’m going to have it.

Choice

I
‘d buy it if HWY 1 was on a overpass and you were walking underneath. Like if you’re riding a bike or walking from GG bridge (west side) and go under the bridge to get to the Presidio or baker beach. Arguing that sound travels in the sky is not an option! NO SOUP FOR YOU!

I
having a late dinner tonight and the only thing
I
have in my refrigerator is some pea soup. So
I
’m going to have it.

Nothin like hot soup and buried treasure to bring out your inner pirate.

MERLIN

Nothin like hot soup and buried treasure to bring out your inner pirate.

is that a quote from the one-eyed Willie?!

Unknown

Unknown:
I’d buy it if HWY 1 was on a overpass and you were walking underneath. Like if you’re riding a bike or walking from GG bridge (west side) and go under the bridge to get to the Presidio or baker beach. Arguing that sound travels in the sky is not an option! NO SOUP FOR YOU!

Crossover dr. / JFK, that’s another 10+ blocks away from 34th. Where’s your starting point? Presidio and GGB are not on his way to L of H from GGP.

In the 1980s treasure island was a working navy base, and off limits to civilians.
and being landfill there is pretty much no place to bury anything on the island as it is mostly paved/buildings or lawn.
Yerba buena, is almost as bad, while you could drive on the roads there was no place to stop that wasn’t coast guard base.
Im not sure what you meant, coit tower isn’t anywhere near candlestick park…

I think this could of been more of an inspiration for the Gal.
There was (may be still is) a similar looking statue at Old St. Mary’s Church in Chinatown.

Rviewer1

Because it doesn’t have to be linear.

So, I guess my question is why? Why doesn’t it have to be linear, and why take those lines and rearrange them? Why not read the whole thing backwards, why not read every second line? What makes those lines so special, or what is telling you to take those lines and put them where you have? Surely it’s not just an arbitrary choice? Why would BP require us to rearrange his lines, and if he did require us, when has he told us to do so?
X

Reviewer1, When was the pole moved? This postcard from 1983 shows it closer to Sutro Heights.

The lines “Giant Pole” and “Giant Step” seemed to vague to get me to an exact location. But when I found a Giant Totem Pole that gave me an exact direction( where the faces were looking ) to a Giant Step that led very close to a literal stone walls door, it became intuitive to move the first line to the last.

Choice

Reviewer1, When was the pole moved? This postcard from 1983 shows it closer to Sutro Heights.
https://i.imgur.com/3ToGiB5.jpg

From what I can tell, it’s been there since the 1950s. Originally it was closer to the Sutro Baths (north of the Cliff House), shortened by storm damage, and later moved. The Cliff House itself has undergone renovation over the decades.
https://www.artandarchitecture-sf.com/t … house.html
(I’m not sure why you included the other two images. Please just post the URLs without embedding the images.)

Back of the post card has the date of 1983 and menu from the restaurant of the period has image on top that may be helpful.

Rviewer1

The lines “Giant Pole” and “Giant Step” seemed to vague to get me to an exact location. But when I found a Giant Totem Pole that gave me an exact direction( where the faces were looking ) to a Giant Step that led very close to a literal stone walls door, it became intuitive to move the first line to the last.

I guess where I’m going is… be careful of changing the puzzle to suit your theory instead of changing your theory to suit the puzzle.
Otherwise, the possible outcomes exponentially increase. You could take a giant step from Ace is high, anywhere that the air smells sweet, anything to do with education and justice, and the list goes on. It makes more sense to follow in order, or to change order because it’s backed up strongly by something in the image or verse itself.
X

Reverse order to the verse has merit supported by the reversed letters and reverse layout of the dress clock. And since this clock runs from 0 to 7 may be a confirmer of the 8 lines to the verse 7.

looking closer at your map whiterabbit, her shoulders could be sutro or lincoln park
kind of liked this streetlamp for the bell shape, but still like the bell gate at the japanese gardens
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: … etlamp.jpg
giant pole?
did you know there is a dragon pearl tea?……….
http://www.harney.com/Dragon-Pearl-Jasm … ducts/215/
Archery: An archery field lies just north of the golf course. Lessons and equipment (for rent or purchase) are available at the nearby San Francisco Archery Shop. The field is at Fulton St. and 47th Ave. The shop is at 3795 Balboa St., (
mark twain and fishing go together (
giant
fishing
pole
)
http://www.sanfranciscodays.com/golden- … ly-casting
is that a dragon on the senior center?
maybe he says “an object of twain’s attention”  like that because twain didn’t like golf:  “golf is a good walk spoiled”
but then i like frogs, (giant leap)  (calaveras frogs, twain), but i only found this one pic so far:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/esmecat/1486769264/

looking closer at your map whiterabbit, her shoulders could be sutro or lincoln park
kind of liked this streetlamp for the bell shape, but still like the bell gate at the japanese gardens
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: … etlamp.jpg
giant pole?
did you know there is a dragon pearl tea?……….
http://www.harney.com/Dragon-Pearl-Jasm … ducts/215/
Archery: An archery field lies just north of the golf course. Lessons and equipment (for rent or purchase) are available at the nearby San Francisco Archery Shop. The field is at Fulton St. and 47th Ave. The shop is at 3795 Balboa St., (
mark twain and fishing go together (
giant
fishing
pole
)
http://www.sanfranciscodays.com/golden- … ly-casting
is that a dragon on the
senior
center?
maybe he says “an object of twain’s attention”  like that because twain didn’t like golf:  “golf is a good walk spoiled”
but then i like frogs, (giant leap)  (calaveras frogs, twain), but i only found this one pic so far:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/esmecat/1486769264/

I moved my photos to a new location:
http://www.cobbcrew.org/TheSecret/Aquat … cPark.html
magesmiley dug at the beach a couple years ago.

I
moved my photos to a new location:
http://www.cobbcrew.org/TheSecret/Aquat … cPark.html
magesmiley dug at the beach a couple years ago.

Hi puppidou.
There’s only two ways to take this treasure hunt forward.
1) Dig a hole
2) Find someone willing to dig a hole
Anything else is prevarication.
WR

Yeah, I had 3 good days of searching and digging on another hunt the past week.  I dug about 20 holes based on a variety of methods.  I tried digging where something was out of place, like a bundle of sticks standing upright because a person intentionally placed them there in a spiral pattern, or beneath a single chunk of concrete amidst a ring of natural stones, or a spot exactly in the middle of three equidistant dogwood trees, or at a spot that lines up with a series of objects in a line or right angle.  I didn’t get bothered by any park rangers or folks walking their dogs.  I’ve found the use of a sturdy 48″ copper grounding rod really helps probing depth between 2 and three feet.  A small sledge (2 pound) just double the weight of a regular hammer head works well to get the probe down that far quickly.  You’ll notice if you hit any sturdy object or rock since it’s easy to tell the difference between going in smooth and meeting resistance.

JoshCornell

theres no room for guessing mate
im realizing now how much shit actually relates to los angeles and hollywood in this puzzle. didnt realize it till i got here, but surprised noone at least picked up on the chinese and el capitain theatres.

Because that’s basically guessing badly.

what is?

maltedfalcon

Best month is actually June and July,
but you have to wait for the fog to come in and hide you…

That’s pretty funny Mr Falcon. I would imagine that is pretty tough to play golf at Lincoln Park like that.
I’m hoping for both a little rain and fog. I will have to get a couple Park Ranger rain coats and glow in the fog running shoes.

can order to my house directly from online for 160 lol

legal weed in california SUCKS…highly overpriced…terrible quality. high end shit, i get better here for 100 bucks an ounce…

I wanted to see if the Transamerica Pyramid lighting on top was a blue green color back in 1981. The same with Coit Tower.
Thanks Spiritr.

nothing like you think of I supposed the coit tower only lite up on special holidays, but if they do, white! and the transamerica….that I’m not sure, blue or red flashing is what I see everyday

If you look at the image in the area of what is supposed to be the face in the rocks that some people says looks like Reagan you will see what looks like a white building with a greenish light on top right about where the nose is. Has anyone speculated on what that maybe?

the background of image 1 are is not San Francisco, it’s for something else, all you need to focus on is the woman and the table, it will be wise to try other places before look into this one, because you have no idea what it’s about, you simply can’t start this game by playing the hardest level, it’s not possible. You might think you know something, trust me, you don’t. ( I learn that from the podcast )

Could you put the link to the podcast in for me. I did not realize that the image over on that side was not meant for San Francisco. I can see the palace of fine arts there in addition to JFK and MLK which are streets in GGP.
Thanks for your input.

ok, I’ll give you some advice on how to look at the image, mark my word, I have my reasons, first thing you look at image, figure out what the “theme” is first, you can’t move on without know what the image is about, use all that’s in the image as your confirmer, pair them up, list it out, everything must be connected to each together like a bond. Ask questions, remember this is a wheelchair treasure hunt, you don’t go out unless you know where and what to look for. spend some time at home, lunch time, after dinner, before sleep, always put yourself in the 80’s. read the book, the book has 2 parts, one is about the Treasure, and the other part work like a glossary, it contain no clues but if you know how a glossary works, that’s what it’s for. Stay away from “Wiki” because once you pick up the wrong information, that’s it my friend, limbo. Only rely on things from BP and his affiliates said as facts and extra source of info, everything else are just personal opinions . You can take my advice as personal opinions as well, I’m sure you know what’s right and what not.

Thanks for that info Spiritr. What you say really makes sense. I like the theme aspects of the puzzle.

Thank you, you are my first supporter you know that? might be the last one before I move on with my life, thank you!

Unknown

Unknown:
or is this treasure hunt really just an excuse to come to San Francisco for the legal weed

Weed is legal in Maine too, and that’s a lot closer to where Josh lives. He can check out the towns of Brooklin and Charleston for clues while he’s there.

Rviewer1

I wanted to see if the Transamerica Pyramid lighting on top was a blue green color back in 1981. The same with Coit Tower.
Thanks Spiritr.

are you using the boston verse?

you were so close too…lol…

Fenix

I hate to post this here instead of on the verse thread but I have a feeling “near ace is high” is referring to 11th ave which runs on either side of GGP.  I am sure there was discussion of this in the correct thread.  It seems “Sounds from the sky” with “near ace is high” is just a clever way to get people headed in the wrong direction.  I mean who isn’t going to start thinking about airplanes?

I don’t think I ever thought of it as relating to airplanes until someone else here suggested that idea.  “Ace is high” reminded me primarily of poker, and secondarily of the number “1”.  Unless the context is already piloting, I wouldn’t think of the word “ace” as referring to a pilot.  Unless there’s an actual statue or painting of a pilot, or a famous pilot involved in the geography, I still think that it’s a stretch to construe “ace” as having anything to do with the flying variety.
Drew