LotJ guides my understanding that Milwaukee involves the topic of measurement, using the words Imperial star of Germany. I think it has a lot to do with identifying those residents of Milwaukee who were measured by their stars, like Erasmus Wolcott and TK. Are there any other statues of Generals? Mitchell?

So Milwaukee is presently under snow…
(About a month earlier than usual)…with
single-digit morning temps to freeze the
earth solid…
Oh joy….

No snow but we’re rapidly ground freezing in Boston. :/ may be a short window to dig left, I’m not a geologist.

Yea Milwaukee is getting an early start to winter. Digging will be on hold for a few months….good time to do research!
I am hoping some of you start researching my downtown solution and find some holes or better fits..there are an awful lot of visual confirmations downtown. I know there are people on here that have been researching the Grand Ave. downtown version…I’d urge you all to look at my (and erexere’s to some extent) Wells St. part of the solution and use the info you have from downtown and see if it fits better or worse using Wells St. and City Hall

Is there a way to see only your posts in this topic? Or could you post a quick link to the solution you are referring to?
I like the idea of Wells st. as beating of the world over any other possibility. Its definitely cold out so me traveling around will be less likely. If I end up on Wells though, I will happily take a look around.
I just wish there was far more visual references to examine in this image. I believe had there been as many as the other images, we’d have solved this already.

A couple more ideas to be tossed into the mix regarding Milwaukee.
– there has been mention of the bell shaped object in the palm of the woman’s hand…could this bell =
http://www.cardcow.com/product.php?productid=15672#img
– now, on to the elusive red balls….too bad there arent 3 in the picture, but could they be this:
http://www.december.com/places/mke/images/ladybug.jpg
– real stretch here but check out the towers on either side of the bandshell in washington park:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/wi/mi … .jpg 
looks similar to the “other” faded image over woman’s shoulder by the key.  Also in Washington Park is Sheep Mountain –
http://www.the2buds.com/pc/wi/WI_0081.jpg

I’m starting to get my head round the regional-influence-thing and now I see why Milwaukee was selected as a likely spot, with its German credentials.
I haven’t read up on the image 6 research yet, but I wonder if it might be worth thinking about these the other way round. From the Wiki, it looks like image 10 was chosen for Feb (German, amethyst) because of the primrose, and image 6 was chosen for Sept (Spanish, sapphire) because of the asters. And those flowers look right.
On the other hand, the gem in image 10 looks more like a sapphire than an amethyst:
…and although the obvious gem in image 6 looks like a sapphire, you can also see an amethyst candidate as well…
(…whereas in image 10, I can’t)
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So…I thought maybe
Las Vegas
could be Sept (it has Spanish roots; they named it), and image 6 could be Feb (German).
Since Milwaukee goes well with Germany, I took a look at Wisconsin and image 6, to see if there was a fit. I don’t think it’s too bad. Looks like a face looking backwards to the right.
(Of course, that would mean finding 43 and 88 in image 6. 88 is easy, I’ll have to think about the 43…
)
(I haven’t finished reading up on all the previous findings, so this is just speculative…)

WhiteRabbit,
I can see how one would be able to come at this with
no preconceived notions…and find new ideas to link
with image 10.
But I do believe you are going to be “chasing your tail”
as long as you disregard the work which has been done
here already.
There is no place in America other than Milwaukee
where you will find the perfect match to the the building towers
of image 10…the silhouette of Milwaukee’s city hall.
http://thesecret.pbworks.com/10_LM
But I hope you enjoy your search.
AP

kibitz

Has anyone else noticed that this…
Looks like this…

Unknown

Unknown:
A German legend tells of a little girl who found a flower covered doorway which opened to a magical fairy castle when she touched it with a primrose.

Hi AP – I don’t mean to disregard all the great research that’s been done on this book, but I haven’t caught up with all the details yet. Thanks for pointing that out…I’ll go take a look…
*edit*
…darn, that’s not bad. I missed those links.
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I suppose that might relate to the sapphire/amethyst switch.
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I think the Field Guide has caricatures of several images, some more obvious than others. I’ve always thought this juggler went with Elf S Presley.

I thought of a reason for using a juggler. It may involve the correlation to any other activity that involves throwing objects ts in the air. One might consider a team sport such as football. Wisconsin’s football team is the Green Bay Packers. The reason they are called packers has its origin in the meat industry, which could help point the way to John Plankington and Fred Layton.
I like the football association also for the way the two spires of city hall in the distance could be seen as the two arms of a football goal post.

I investigated metal detectors at one point and found out unless you have a seriously huge (meaning thousands of dollars or hand made) you will only be able to detect about 15 inches max

yes sorry posted the wrong link, and it wont let me edit,otteriffic yes a 2 box or a PI, would be needed
http://www.metaldetection.net/English/D … n.Eng.html

(…having scanned the other threads on Lake Park, I can see there’s strong evidence for this site, so could be…)

Merlot
Are those from the treasure hunt? What cities? I do not recognize them from this site. I do not have the actual book though either. the blue on the cloak seems to be a body of water of some sort. And why only selected items with the halos and not all of them? Seems like so much of the image is meant to be interpretive and I am hesitant to write off the blue as artistic style.

Lady Poverty

Does anyone have any speculations about the blue (water?) on the hood of the cloak and how it goes down her right side and is around the red ball that is being juggled? Pretty sure it represents water but why only the red ball with the blue surrounding it and not other items in the rebus that are close to the ball? Its gotta mean something.

That halo seems to just be a technique that Palencar uses in much of his art, beyond where he uses it in multiple images for The Secret:

Does anyone have any speculations about the blue (water?) on the hood of the cloak and how it goes down her right side and is around the red ball that is being juggled? Pretty sure it represents water but why only the red ball with the blue surrounding it and not other items in the rebus that are close to the ball? Its gotta mean something.
About the hawk or eagle profile seen on the lower left corner… when I saw it I thought it looked a little bit like the eagle that we see on the post offices. I tried to find what their logo was back in the late 70’s/ early 80’s but wasn’t able to find it. The one they use now is a bit similar. I don’t know how that lines up with finding the treasure but it is where my mind went. I think there are eagles or hawks on St Johns Cathedral across from Cathedral Sq Park. I was there today and I’m sure everyone already knows about the Immigrant Mother statue.
As for the bell shape in her hand, I found some bells around Pere Marquette park while in the area last week. I posted links to Google Earth on the Verse 8 thread as it seems to be more active.
Someone mentioned seeing the number 15 on the sleeve and I believe city hall has 15 floors.

Every time I come back to this image it bugs me how little we know. I’m trying to re-set my knowledge and drop a lot of assumptions about these puzzles – this is one where we have absolutely no confirmed visual matches except for Milwaukee city hall, correct?

somebody found a really nice image of the flower petal I think. also the solomon juno statue

The bell in the hand is pretty good too. I never bought into the bizarre locust stuff…always looked like a bridge to me.
Most of them only have one really convincing match. Some don’t have even that.

Go Ducks!

Another visual clue is gone!
Many important trees along LMD
have either been cut down or have just fallen.
The 4-trunk tree (which had been half cut
down earlier) is now completely gone!!!!
It was my opinion that it was the 4-trunk
tree pictured under the juggler’s cape.
Now, the “Girl Scout Tree”, the 4-trunk
tree and two of the “pass 3” trees used to
find the 2006-dig site are completely gone…
We will need more old photos to find this casque!

decibalnyc

THE BIG PROBLEM is this LETTER FROM THE COUNTRY. Even if we accept that we are looking for a single letter, a G or something related to Germany….where would this clue be, or WHAT would this clue be.

Has everyone given up on the G on the harp lamps?

Glossiphoniidae

Has everyone given up on the G on the harp lamps?

I don’t know about giving up….but the harp lamps, I recently found out, we’re not installed on LMD till 91 or 92….they were however put in lake park after the city upgraded their lamps…suspected that this happened pre 1982, still checking.
Problem with the masonic G is they are on every lamp, and none are any taller than the rest..

Erexere,
maybe this sculpture in Catalano square is of some interest to you
http://www.jimreitzphoto.com/Landscape/ … 155-X2.jpg
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0312036 … a=!3m1!1e3

decibalnyc

I don’t know about giving up….but the harp lamps, I recently found out, we’re not installed on LMD till 91 or 92….they were however put in lake park after the city upgraded their lamps…suspected that this happened pre 1982, still checking.
Problem with the masonic G is they are on every lamp, and none are any taller than the rest..

I think those have been around forever:
http://landmarkhunter.com/197946-harp-luminai341e/
. There are all sorts of pictures from the 50s and 30s, and even ealier, with the lamps evident.

Nice sculpture, but no, it doesnt seem to fit with anything in my current focus.

The harp lamps were installed in the city of Milwaukee in the 30’s….when the city upgraded to more modern lights, the lamps were moved to Lake Park. I have photo’s of L.M.D. from 96 and the Harp Lamps are not there.
It is believed they were put into the park pre 1982 but we are checking as to when the upgrade was for them to be taken out and moved. The city felt they were historic, so they may not have come into the park until 91 when it was put on the historical register.
In any case, until we find out, we have to consider that the Harpsichord line (if there were no harp lamps in 82) would mean something different, as could the Cast in Copper line, as the harp lamps are Cast in Copper being brass fixtures. I always thought taking LMD down and around the stairs was a much more tedious route than taking another way to the bottom of the stairs. I was suggesting that Cast in Copper could refer to the Harp lamps leading a path to the bottom of the stairs. In any case, the lamps might not have been there in 82, nor the compass and square and G on the stone bases.

If we do find out that the harp lamps were in the park in 1980 but not LMD until 2000…then the whole dual meaning thing comes into play hardcore.
When I dissected the verse I found a double meaning (sometimes more) for almost every line…there at least seems to be some kind of duality in them.
EXAMPLES
3 Stories of Mitchell – Mitchell Hall, Mitchell Mansion, Mitchell Domes, Mitchell St. which used to be the old downtown
Beating of the world – Jewish Candle Ceremony / Ken Wood’s Mixers and Car Stereo’s
Distance in time / Distance in space – I’ve always thought that this meant for you NOT to walk in a straight line past the streets with the names of prominent Milwaukee figures (which I’m surprised no one has brought up Christian Wahl who had a statue that used to sit on the front lawn of the Bistro at the top of the stairs) but to walk using some sort of L pattern from 3 who lived there (mitchell hall where all 3 Mitchell brothers lived) and Marietta ave…but I gave up on this once the Grand Staircase became apparent. In the back of my mind I always wondered if we had not entered the park correctly.
From Woman – This seems to be the least of the dual meanings, speaking to Marietta Ave. but the rest of the line – With harpsichord – is this referencing Marietta the Harpsichord player, or the street and a Harp lamp.
Silently Playing – Depending on if we entered the park right, if you got to Newberry st. or the proper entrance to the park, you would see the Golf Course a hush hush game
Step on nature – Oak Leaf Trail or Lake Park itself if we entered the park the wrong way, maybe this also meant take a ravine trail
Cast in Copper – This could be LMD since it does lead to the bottom of the stairs, but it could be a Harp lamp reference or a reference to anything brass or bronze in the park. Also there could have been a fountain there in 1980…still checking.
The 92 Stairs – The Staircase does have 92 stairs without the added landing that was put on, but there are MANY stairs in lake park…all the ravine trails have stairs as well.
Pass the compass – This seems to be the only thing that wouldn’t have a dual meaning that was right away obvious. I have checked to see of there was anything else that resembled a compass or a sun dial or anything, no word yet but the feeling from everyone is no…
Foot of the culvert – This could mean so many different things…any of the ravines, or actual culverts by the lighthouse
Below the Bridge – which bridge, there are 2 bridges with the same name by the lighthouse
Then he starts counting off paces, and the rest seems to be straight directions to the treasure grounds, save the Birch, the 3, and the 5th.
I’ve been trying to get to the bottom of these dual meanings…to rule them out and get some clarity. I think once everyone found the Staircase, it seemed like the front half was considered a foregone conclusion. As Renovator said, not finding every clue shouldn’t impede you from finding the treasure grounds, but I feel if we entered the park the wrong way, we are taking the wrong path, and possibly ending up in the wrong place…something to consider. The image doesn’t seem to make a whole lot of sense with the verse to me until you enter the park…but I wonder if it would make more sense if you entered the park on Newberry or even Locust…just a thought

When turned 90 degrees, the red balls in the image align EXACTLY with the balls of the bridge. The image and it’s objects overlay really nicely.
At the empty hand, in real life:

maltedfalcon

it has a band shell or a concert area…

yea, it does look more like the coastline…nice find.
band shell hmmmmmm?  is it me or do we keep running into these things?

Hey everyone!
As you may know, I had the opportunity to spend several days in Milwaukee in April 2018. I have more work to do to process all of the images, videos and info I gathered. While I was there, I used an app on my phone called GPS Waypoints. With this app you can record a trail and then export into a format that Google Maps and Earth can display. In addition, I linked most of the photos, so you get an icon and preview at the spot where I took the photo. In an effort to keep the mapping file small (707 KB), I did not embed the full photos, but they are linked to Google Drive, so you can download them. All of the photos are geotagged so you should be able to map them individually as well.
The file is best used in Google Earth. It gives you more options for viewing.
After you open the file, what you will see is a trail or path from 4/12/2018 which is one layer, photos around the North Point Light House on 4/11/2018 on a second layer, and photos starting at Mitchell Hall going through Lake Park on 4/12/2018 on the third layer. You can turn each of these on or off as you wish. If for any reason this does not work for you, please check your default browser and/or consult Google Help. This is the first time I’ve done this, so I am new to it and probably do not have technical answers regarding the mapping part. If for some reason it does not work at all, let me know so I can look at the files.
IMPORTANT! If you click the link below, it will directly open a map with limited features. You must download the file and open in Google Earth for the best experience.
While you are browsing, if you have questions about a photo or location, please let me know.
Enjoy!
gManTexas
Map file
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vPhe8o … sp=sharing
Share drive with photos and files
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ … sp=sharing

and the likeness to the girl scout symbol:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl_Scouts_of_the_USA
AP, just wondering if there was any type of imperial cross (star)  symbol anywhere there, have you seen one? sort of like this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/WW1-Star-Grand-Knig … 0581188506
maybe that’s just saying “compass” too
still like the area down around the bottom of the grand staircase, pretend the light part of the cloak is the staircase, and the small part by her neck, the bottom of the stairs, then the jewel is  somewhere down near the bottom of the staircase  🙂

Slappy,
I too think that the verse takes us on a circuitous route
from the Grand Stairway…up…down…and back to the
Lake Front near the stairway.
In searching all of the ravines and wooded areas, I have seen
only one place with
multiple
large live birch trees… the Girl Scout Ravine…
(The golf course has the one live tree and the large dead tree.)
Unless a birch tree has been totally removed before 2004, when
the search of the Lake Front began in earnest,  those live birches
must be part of the references in the verse.

(…was going to ask if there were birches in that area, but you already answered that. Would be interested to see a sketch of the circuit you have in mind…)

(Moved to
Verse 8
thread)

Hey guys, it’s Reubnick. As you can readily see, I have not been an active contributor to this forum. But I can assure you, however, that I have been a close follower for years as well as a highly active participant to this search who has on his own gone out looking for this treasure twice. This is clearly not about one guy looking for and finding this casque, because I feel that is basically antithetical to what this has all become. So I want to begin to involve myself with this forum because I think you guys are great, ingenious, and a tremendous community of individuals who are all part of a collective group that is so much bigger than one guy or gal finding a porcelain cask in the ground. Thus far I’ve worked with James Renner on this since 2012 or something like that, and more recently a few producers who wanted in on the action, but little else. It seemed improper to keep going about this all alone so I wanted to involve myself. In the winter James Renner and Josh Gates began saying to me that they think they know where this thing is located but that they only realized it after their episode of Destination Truth aired. They want me to go digging for it. I’ve decided that it’s in the best interest of this whole hunt that I say I will be searching that location within the next 2 months and I will report back with full details.
Just to disclose of everything I personally know about all of this, I will try to say anything on my end that I find pertinent. I saw a while back that somebody asked if anybody looked near the Wolcott statue. I can say that I did so to the best of my ability some years ago because I also thought that was where it would be. Erastus Wolcott was a Leo, a proud and tall one at that, and the statue was in the general vicinity of the radius of where everybody thinks this thing is likely buried. This happened back in 2014 or something so I don’t remember all of my deductive reasoning that lead myself to it, but it seemed pretty rock-solid at the time. I brought a metal rod and probed as much as I could, but the thing is that it seems as though there is a layer of concrete and rocks just a number of inches beneath the statue that proved to be impenetrable. Sadly, if this thing is under or near the Wolcott statue, I really don’t think it will ever be recovered. I hope that can put that theory to rest.
Additionally, I also probed near the lion statues, which for reasons already well-established make a lot of sense for this thing to be located. I faced a similar dilemma in that the lion statues all sit on a rectangular base that covers their entire underside that has a large volume of cement underneath them. So, to say that the casque is buried under one of their paws, do you think that means that it would be placed
underneath
the lion statue? I just find that to be a bit impractical, I guess. I don’t see how Byron Preiss could have pulled that one off. This is also another one of those things that may have been the situation at the time but that is now no longer accessible since I know that after the supposed burial of the casque the city of Milwaukee widened the bridge and made many alterations.
For other reasons I cannot recall, I was lead to the George Washington statue in Milwaukee. I can categorically say that, no, it’s just not located there. There is just no way. It is far too publicly visible, the island it is on is far too small, and nobody could possibly anonymously dig a hole and bury something there.
I also probed near the Solomon Juneau Monument where there is the bronze relief of Juneau greeting some other characters that closely resembles the juggling lady in Image 10. Though I probed, I found nothing because I am fairly certain this is only halfway through the riddle.
I looked near the sandy patch near the exit from the wooded area that leads to Bradford Beach that had what seemed to be a cluster of 3 birches that looked similar to the section of Image 10 that resembles 3 trees. It was not there either.
This has been my Moby Dick for years now and I cannot stress enough that I am so dedicated to this thing being found. When we find it, I want there to be a party with much libations from all of us. What a rager that would be. I want this found so much that I feel nearly manic about it, I will not lie. I will admit that it would be super cool to be the one to find it, just for the initial thrill and glory that seems to be channeling whatever vestiges I have left of my youthful and idealistic 3rd grader brain. But as I said, I know this is much bigger than that. Even if I am not the guy who finds it, I will be filled with such joy if anybody else finds this thing that I won’t even think twice about it. So that is why I have now said everything I know and why I am committing to continue doing so until this is found. Maybe it’s helpful, maybe it isn’t. I just hope you all don’t see me as an opportunistic Johnny-come-lately. Though I may have not been contributing this whole time, I assure you I have been just as involved as most of you. There is something very Treasure Island about all of this, and I liken myself much more of a Jim Hawkins than a Long John Silver. I want it found. Thanks.

hi guys,
Although i would be the first to cheer and break out the beverages for finding a casque… this one seems a little suspect..the description alone, what little was put there, makes my eyebrow raise.
well have to see on this one.. i personally am leary of it though…
be safe

Don’t get me wrong, i’m leary too.  That’s why you’ll see my first response over there is to ask for pics.  But it is worth watching at least.

I hope this is true but it seems a little strange…….the first photo of the rock that he claims was found underground has moss on it

Perhaps this gentleman can be asked to share his info here.

Hey, I’ve been lurking substantially, much more active over on Tweleve.  Just stopping by to let y’all know that someone named Regulus has posted over there that he found the Milwaukee casque yesterday in Lake Park.  It bears watching as it develops.
Here’s the link:
http://www.tweleve.org/forum/viewtopic. … 646#117646
Cheers-
Moscow

I don’t know guys.  Regulus posted a pic of a rock, no casque pictured.

I wonder if the background of the image being so shaded is the artists way of saying it’s either “dark” or “limited visibility” due to something like rain. That the woman is wearing a hood and cloak might also imply rain.
The line “beating of the world” could be interpreted as “rain drops (beating down) on the ground (world)”. The implication that follows the premise of “as you walk” can easily be imagined as a street. Therefore, streets like those named Water or Lake might be a good conclusion.
What’s the best Mitchell reference to Water St., Lake St., or S. Lake Shore Dr.?

wk

http://goo.gl/maps/l8SH0

well now, this is interesting:
http://goo.gl/maps/zYxyQ
– You won’t find another one of those “mill stones” on any trees nearby, including across the street.
And… it’s near a woman with harpsichord…

maltedfalcon

I went back through my personal notes and what I have written down, is ” even with BP telling us where to dig, we almost missed it”
I think I made the assumption that meant he was there.

BP sent them a polaroid, that is what they meant by that statement…he wasn’t there

Well we can go round and round on this, everyone thinks their theory is the one….
Heck I’ve had 5 theories now and I don’t think any of them are correct. I think besides AP, I’ve spent more time on the ground here in Milwaukee than anyone. The verses are purposely vague…to a fault. One can make a compelling story out of assumptions with some effort, everyone on here should be defense attorneys.
One thing we know is the verse will take you right to it. That is what we have in Lake Park TODAY…did that exist in another part of town in 1981…perhaps, but time isn’t on our side. It would be an extreme irony to find another 92 steps somewhere…that is what I thought when I learned city hall had the same thing going to the belltower…then there is an image confirmation in the bell at the top…I’m sure all of us have looked at evidence in NOLA, Milwaukee, SF etc… of dual meanings found and you’re saying “alright, what the hell is going on here.” Truth is we have no idea if BP planned it this way, made it specifically vague so people would have to write him constantly…maybe he wanted to keep tabs on his baby so to speak…we have to follow all the leads at this point. Milwaukee is not the only city where the verse could apply to several things. What are the chances…when you look at the things represented in Image 10 and Verse 8, and how many of them can be found in different areas of the city.
View the 3 stories of Mitchell
Are you serious… just to make it more funny there are 3 things that could be the 3 stories of Mitchell. Also at one of them you can see the 3 stories from a monument called the Vieux (pronounced View) Monument. So why would you word it like that if not to mess with people. Also at this location there are 82 steps surrounding a sunken garden (TODAY there are 82…past pictures show different landscapes) AND a big tree with a G carved in it. Then Downtown is the Mansion where you find an image confirmation on the building if you look at it from Wells. Then all the way across town is the campus dorms with the Mitchell name…here we can follow the verse to almost an exact spot…so at this point you are just on the 1st line of the verse and you have 3 potential treasure grounds…and NO ONE thinks that is premeditated? I do.
Anyways, I’ll throw this out there in case someone wants to follow up. One thing you can see from the observation deck on city hall is the North Point Water Tower, which has a compass on it, and has some interesting architecture. Doesn’t hurt to look at new leads…I don’t know if this is what he meant by the compass, but lets say it is
Here is the historic Water tower
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Milwa … 22b5417b84
Its not too far from Villa Terrace which is a place like the greek cultural gardens.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Milwa … 22b5417b84
And this all connects to Back Bay Park which is also along the lakefront. Again these are loose theories, but as long as people are willing to look into them, I’ll gladly post some of these old theories of mine. There are problems with all the solutions for Milwaukee, but I found over this last year, I have uncovered a lot through expanding the search and a lot of reading.

decibalnyc

One thing you can see from the observation deck on city hall is the North Point Water Tower, which has a compass on it, and has some interesting architecture.

Hey that’s really a cool tower, and we know BP liked water towers…
What do you mean it has a compass on it?

Unknown

Unknown:
Yes indeed

Looks like a good place to explore on your next trip to Milwaukee then. No downside to spending a day in the park, treasure or not.

Does anyone have good leads for researching this fountain? Particularly, when was that curved road for cars inserted? If that wasn’t there in 1980, it looks really promising, although you made a great point about that pattern being common

Euhirudinea

Looks like a good place to explore on your next trip to Milwaukee then. No downside to spending a day in the park, treasure or not.

You got that right. I love going to see a Brewers game and doing a little searching over a nice weekend. I’ll be up sometime in June if no body checks this spot out and I’ll let you guys know how it goes. Hopefully someone will get to it before then, whether it’s my solve or someone elses spot.

I have a photo request for anyone in the Milwaukee area.
I would closeups of the objects in red. The manhole cover lookds old and might have a letter on it.
Also I suspect we have trees missing so a photo and inspection of the ground right next to it would be in order.
If there were once trees, roots or stumps might be left behind.
thanks

Wow!  Maybe we should all focus on the Milwaukee treasure and end one more mystery.

Of course, it could be one of these:
When I was a kid we used to call these guys “locust skins,” and we could pick them off the trunks of pine trees. I found out later that they were the skins of molting periodical cicadas. Even though they are not really locusts (which are more like grasshoppers), these critters are often called “17-year locusts.” I am not the only one who got cicadas and locusts mixed up; it’s apparently a common misnomer:
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/zoo00/zoo00594.htm
http://www.mechaworx.com/Cicada/faq/locust.asp
Imagine my delight when I looked at a map of Milwaukee and noticed that
Locust St.
ends at Lake Park. You would cross it when walking from Mitchell Hall to the “Grand 200” staircase in the park.

erexere

What about this tree, assuming the same growth rate as ‘white birch’?

I dont think you can compare them that ones looks like a pine of some kind.
Pine trees grow a lot slower than trees that lose the leaves every year.
I have a maple in my yard it is 3 stories tall and  20 inches around at the base.
it is 9 years old , I planted it as a bare root twig…

Tree height is a very diferent issue.  In this case I’ve seT some good parameters and focus on the estimation of age by linking girth and tree growth from a chart reference.  The months of April through October are very close in temperature between Portland (OR) and Milwaukee (WI).  Trees dont grow much during cold climate times while in their dormancy so the lower winter temp in one doesnt apply as much.  Precipitation isnt much of an issue, since neither has frequent drought.  Similar Latitude and elevation leaves only the soil and harmful environment variables.
Im only an expert on my own yard, as you probably are in yours.  My cherry, plum, maple, pine and fir all fit the chart, so I know I’ve found a reliable source.  All ive ever observed about birch is that it acts much like the cherry and tends to be on the slender side.  The pine grew kinda fast in my opinion, but the cherry grew a huge canopy.
Individual experience will vary based on many factors and especially on the particular type of tree.   I havent read about a difference in growth trend with respect to foilage type before.  I’d like to see a source if thats the case.
The real two questions at this point for me are how did the path get from Lake Park to Kosciuszko and does it matter that the tree was only 10 to 15 years old at the time when BP may have noticed there is just one birch along that street?   Was it established enough to work into the verse as THE birch?

I keep returning to the idea that “the beating of the world” is a reference to the MECCA arena where the Bucks became NBA World Champions in 1970/71.  The reason I think this is based on following the woman’s westward gaze if we project her image on the north corner of the intersection on State and Water where the Cityhall may be viewed with spires set in an equal height perspective.

rook i think those are no dumping markers, not sure how long they have been in use
first i remember seeing one was around 98-99 in iowa, some have fish, waves, birds
ect.. no chems, car oil, paint pet poo ect.
http://www.berntsen.com/Utilities/Plast … in-Markers
i do like the sewer cap idea though, they weigh like 100-150#, and about 2in thick,
so they last a long time,ive seen them reused after a walk or street repair

Eight.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight_Stone_Lions
Always liked the lion foot theory.

Let’s wake this thread back up. After watching Josh dig at the base of one of the lions on the bridge, I was hooked. But after seeing the “solve” photo of the location of the “millstone” in Lake Park, I’m curious how many of you have dug this area?
As I look at the image, it appears that he is showing the casque to be on the SW side of the sewer stone. But that seems to be to obvious and I’m sure this has been thoroughly searched.
I saw someone question the meaning of the shape of the blue cloak over her head. I believe this is the outline of Lake Park and Lake Michigan.
As for the verse,
You’ll see a letter from the country
Of wonderstone’s hearth
The cement sewer (wonder stone’s hearth) is in the shape of the letter “O” and the letter “O” is in the word country. I think Byron was just sit being playful with these lines in the verse.
MrBackstop

You’ll see a letter from the country
Of wonderstone’s hearth
On a proud, tall fifth
At its southern foot
The treasure waits.
The “letter” is seen on the “proud tall fifth”.

I see what you’re saying but I read it like this with this punctuation:
You’ll see a letter from the country of wonderstone’s hearth.
On a proud, tall fifth, at its southern foot, the treasure waits.
I believe the proud tall fifth was the 5th birch tree.

MrBackstop

I see what you’re saying but I read it like this with this punctuation:
You’ll see a letter from the country of wonderstone’s hearth.
On a proud, tall fifth, at its southern foot, the treasure waits.
I believe the proud tall fifth was the 5th birch tree.

I know that BP expected these to be found quickly, but I am still SMH that he would use trees as guideposts for any of these puzzles.

MrBackstop

I see what you’re saying but I read it like this with this punctuation:
You’ll see a letter from the country of wonderstone’s hearth.
On a proud, tall fifth, at its southern foot, the treasure waits.
I believe the proud tall fifth was the 5th birch tree.

In this interpretation, what is the purpose of the word “on”? Phrased differently, what is on the proud, tall fifth? I’m not saying these are perfect verses by any means, but it seems like we’re supposed to be able to identify something “on” a proud tall fifth. Otherwise, why include the word “On” at all?

gManTexas

I know that BP expected these to be found quickly, but I am still SMH that he would use trees as guideposts for any of these puzzles.

I see what you’re saying and I’ve only been aware of these “secrets” for a week now. But keep in mind BP thought these would be found in a few years and I haven’t studied enough of these verses yet to see if trees are evident in other clues. He may have also been aware that many birch trees can live for 200 years or more.

MrBackstop

I see what you’re saying and I’ve only been aware of these “secrets” for a week now. But keep in mind BP thought these would be found in a few years and I haven’t studied enough of these verses yet to see if trees are evident in other clues. He may have also been aware that many birch trees can live for 200 years or more.

Yeah most of them have some sort of clue like that.
Hell the one is St. Augustine wants me to look for ‘tall grass’

How many lions are there?

The Chicago find involved a statue of Lincoln.

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but the one thing that stood out was that the ground in one of then matched the ladies neck

Can you be more specific? I just looked at both and I can’t see any resemblance.
…but it is nice that Google finally got around to mapping Milwaukee.

The Cleveland find involved Martin Luther King.

Interesting… I am looking at something currently tied to President Coolidge.  (any other tie to a president in Cleveland?  MLK may have been important historically, but I was trying to see if there was a president theme going).  I have not looked at the other verse discussions here except v5 and v6.

Just out of curiosity – did the verses related to the 2 found casque’s have any tie-in to a president in any way?  I noticed mention of Lincoln here.  I also noticed that verse 6 is linked to Lincoln (see my post in the verse 6 thread).  I am working on something here that is also tied to a president in Florida…

A theme running through these verses/sites
more perverse than President’s is slavery.
May though just be the point in history
(civil war) in which some sites were established.

The only theme I am convinced of is “immigration / culture,” since that is the theme underlying the journey of the fair folk to the new world in the book. The Chicago picture and location had to do with Irish immigration, and the Cleveland picture and location had to do with Greek immigration. If
The Secret
involves slavery at all, it will only be because that is how Africans first immigrated here, and will pertain to only one picture/verse combination (P2/V?). Charleston – and Sullivan Island in particular – was a major port for the slave trade.
The Cleveland find didn’t really involve MLK, I think. Wasn’t Liberty Blvd. renamed to MLK after
The Secret
was published? Lincoln
did
crop up again in Milwaukee, with the
cast in copper
reference to Lincoln Memorial Drive.

May be stretching it, but look at this post from Adoks53 on Tweleve:
http://www.tweleve.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4352
Interesting to note the street in the closeup of the Menlo Park Lab Tablet is Route 27, or LINCOLN Highway.
However, I have not looked at v10 or pic11 really myself.  Just found it very interesting with two, and possibly 3 links to Lincoln so far after just starting to look at this over the last few days (I am new to the Secret – only 24 years late!).

Some nice ideas you got there. I probed around Milwaukee a bit. Mostly Juneau Park. You need to get a hold of the parks director. I emailed her and she said I could probe as long as it didn’t interfere with the daily park function. May be someone different depending on the park but they know about the hunt and are pretty nice as long as you just don’t dig up everywhere. They said probing is fine. Just tell them when and where. As far as a probe, I ordered one online. Couldn’t find anything at any stores.

@atomicleprechaun, really cool ideas. Can you share more on how you navigate the entire verse? Have you verifies the dates of each of your resources? What candidates do you have in mind in terms of pointing to a specific spot? Also, what alternatives are you interested in if your current track doesnt pan out?

Just read an article about the area. North Old World 3rd Street use to be called just North 3rd Street. “Old World” wasn’t added until 1984.

Merlot Brougham

I’ve always liked this one:
Laureate
, Just across the river from Pere Marquette Park.

Glossiphoniidae

Right next to the huge Usinger’s (pronounced You-zingers) sign and building, an 1880 sausage factory run by the German Immigrant and his family thereafter… Could that be the “You’ll see” and the “letter from wonderstone’s hearth”

Merlot Brougham & four21thrasher – Thank you very much, your posts have been incredibly helpful!
I can totally see the Laureate sculpture being part of this.
Also, I never considered the Usingers angle, but your could have something there!
I went out on another foot patrol of the area and learned a few more things. You can see photos of all of these things on my flickr page:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/scallywag … 709486983/
– SS Core – or the big ball next to the bridge is from 2006.
– There are actually 4 Bells on one each of the structures on the four corners of the bridge.
– There is also a bell on a manhole cover in the middle of Pere Marquette Park.
– Likewise, not far away is the Wisconsin Bell Telephone building.
– The Plankinton Arcade stairs in the Grande Ave Mall (which used to be the location of the Plankinton House Hotel), have
exactly 92 steps
.
– There is a plaque near the stairs designates that MacArthur and his family lived at the Plankinton House Hotel before and after the war (3 who live here).
– There is also a compass around the pool at the bottom of the stairs.
– The Pabst Theater has the nickname of “the jewel Box”
– There are small metal plaques embedded into the ground around the gazebo in Pere Marquette Park that look like
water waves. I have no info on when these went in (anyone know anything about this?)
– Red Arrow Park was named after a group of WWI combatants.
(not sure what year Red Arrow was remodeled or what it looked like before – does anyone have anything on this?)
I have compiled this all into a map that I have also put on the flickr page. Check it out. One theory that I have is that the different elements from the image (millstone, jewel, etc) might line up with specific landmarks on the map, but I haven’t had much luck as of yet with getting it to work (one example on flickr).
***Also, would someone who lives in Milwaukee be willing to lend me a probe and/or go probing with me?***

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As wilhouse suggested two posts ago, my argument is that this image includes the aerial view of the Milwaukee coast.  The two arcs are the two bays (Whitefish and Milwaukee)named in my original Milwaukee proposal.  The line between her pale skin and the upturned edge of the cloak is the Milwaukee River, emptying into Milwaukee bay.
Check out an aerial view, or a map.

I’ve got a map and I’m trying to compare it in Photoshop to the neckline.  I don’t see it yet, but I’m looking!

…first attempt at using the “quote” feature…
This is the neckline I’m to which I’m referring.  So far unsuccessful at posting map image.  Still learning.  Check out map or aerial of Milwaukee and look at the shape of the coastline.

Interesting pattern around the neck (perhaps a pattern in some park?)

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Interesting pattern around the neck (perhaps a pattern in some park?)

I was thinking maybe it could be a brick pattern, maybe around a monument or statue we’re looking for?

I’m rather fond of the three domes at the Mitchell Park Horticultural Conservatory — each dome tells a story (of sorts) by recreating a particular climate.

In the interest of accuracy, the “Interesting pattern around the neck…” verbiage carried over with the image from neVar’s 5/26 posting.
As wilhouse suggested two posts ago, my argument is that this image includes the aerial view of the Milwaukee coast.  The two arcs are the two bays (Whitefish and Milwaukee)named in my original Milwaukee proposal.  The line between her pale skin and the upturned edge of the cloak is the Milwaukee River, emptying into Milwaukee bay.
Check out an aerial view, or a map.
It’s killing me that I have not yet been successful at posting map clippings that show the comparison.

I don’t know how the city is layed out, but looking at that closeup, it looks like it could be an aerial view, with the neckline pointing to someplace specific.
wilhouse

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I’m rather fond of the three domes at the Mitchell Park Horticultural Conservatory — each dome tells a story (of sorts) by recreating a particular climate.

I agree.  I was going to visit there yesterday but ran out of time.  I haven’t been able to find many good pictures of what the Mitchell Park around it looks like or what it contains.  I did find a 360 degree view site inside one of the domes and didn’t see anything that stood out right away.

I went to the Milwaukee City Hall and got some more pics.  I got as close to the angle in the image as possible, but there was an awning in the way.  It looks pretty close to me, especially the one on the second page.
http://www.varin.org/gallery/album35

Thanks f_b.
I’m concerned with the flower. It’s not a complete flower, just the bloom. This is going to be a forced or playful idea as I came across the usage of the word bloom as it could apply to an algal or plankton bloom. Planktos in Greek means “wanderer/drifter”, which might be applicable to our juggler if we imagine she belongs to a traveling troupe or circus. Maybe a hint to look more closely at Plankington, the street or the Arcade?

I’m going to head out this weekend to milwaukee. Gonna trace through the top two locations that people are looking at, Lake Park and Pere Marquette Park.
Gonna try to get a probe before I head down and should hopefully have my new copy of the book by the time i go (yay ebay)
I think if we can confirm some of the other verses, we will have an easier time confirming or denying some of the interpretations of the later verses.

Just an idea on the long/lat for this pic:
The markings in the hair could be interpreted as 110 and 111, to give the longitude.
The edges of the flower shaped object look like cycling 2s and 3s, so this could give 32.
This would point to Tucson, AZ

Spiritr

that’s the part I don’t understand! How do people even ends up over that “millstone” spot??? both SouthEast and staying West should get you to the opposite end near where the Lions are….am I wrong?
and on google map, what is that red spot in 43°03’53.4″N 87°52’14.8″W?

One of the interesting parts these puzzles is the “blue highlighted color” around certain parts of the images in each Image. In this one the “blue” is around the lady’s head, shoulders and down around her hand. It’s also around the red “tee marker” above her right hand. Also notice the key is above that red ball telling us that this is one of the main keys to unlocking the puzzle.
I took it to mean that getting West of the Par 3 golf course in the Park was crucial. And when I found myself continuing to the West until I was passed the Par 3 I came upon the North Point Water Tower. It just depends on how you decipher the Image and Verse to where your solve takes you. Many people criticized me for this solve, including Josh (he finally came around to this spot), but it’s where I believe the casque is buried.

I’m new to this but I have been reviewing the info posted here since being contacted by my counterpart at the Milwaukee County Parks Dept. He was contacted by an individual looking for info on the lake Park angle.
Looking at the picture, the top of her cape seams to be a depiction of something man made as well as the area below in the middle of her cape. I don’t see any comments from anyone on this but I’m working with him to review the County Parks records on statues/monuments and see if anything matches. Also after talking with the county, we feel that her collar could be a depiction of some formal garden that no longer exists. When he has time and can pull the files we will review this and see if it’s a match.
When I first saw the picture it was very apparent, at less to me, that after working there for 37 years, the building in the background was Milwaukee City Hall. The taller south tower on the right and the north tower on the left.
I will post any additional info after review of the county records.

A friend of mine suggests that the gap between the towers looks like an upside-down mirror image of the left tower.
–Johann

Moving away from the “Blue Amethyst” theories for a moment, I would like to point out the shadowy figure to the bottom right of the City hall Silhouette; That thing looks like a number of things, but it looks MOST like three: A Centurion, with just part of the helemt and cape showing, A horse wearing that wierd horse armor that cavaliers had (the type with the long flowing blanket thing), or a feathered headress of some sort.  There is a strong implication that it is a roman soldier, if you look at the fact that Roman Numerals are generally accepted to be prevalent for this particular riddle… They even appear as the numbers which the other paintings disguised!  I can’t spend a lot of time posting pics to support this, but look at the strands of the figure’s hair, the “tree” shapes, and other Numerics.  This won’t help anyone for anything other than indicating Milwaukee by map coords, which they do, but I was hoping that it would make the painting more open, that is, less vague on some details.  There is a 4, 3, 7 and MAYBE an 8, if anyone cares to dig that deep…  (IV in the hair, VII backwards as the trees, III next to the IV, and eight distinct ‘notches’ in the tree trunks, unless anyone cares to find another)  Milwaukee is located at 43N by 87W.

I haven’t seen Stercox’s pictures of the trees in Milwaukee yet, but I think I just figured out a clue in this picture.  The top of her cloak appears to be the trunk of a tree turned sideways.  The base of the tree is on the right, and the top of the trunk is on the left.  There is even a knothole in the middle.  This could be the tree next to which the treasure is buried.
Also, looking carefully at the outline of the cloak, you will see an upside down profile of someone on the right side of the cloak (Lincoln?).  Also, there appears to be a sideways hawk on the lower left part of the cloak.
We also never figured out her neckline, or the print around her neck.  Is the print around her neck an overhead view of the building or the stairs in Milwaukee?
Just some things to think about.

I hope you’re right, Egbert. That would be a neat solution to the cloak problem. I am still puzzled by the edge of her hair, which is clearly significant. I never could reconcile it to my satisfaction with a map of the Milwaukee shoreline.
I have looked and looked for a profile on the right edge of her cloak without success. I see what you’re saying, but it just doesn’t shout “Lincoln” to me. You’ve lost me with the hawk, too. I hope stercox’s pictures will shed light on some of these mysteries.

The hawk’s head is a profile, with the beak facing downward.  It is in the lower left corner of the picture, and is supposed to be part of the cloak.  I don’t know how to cut and paste image blowups, but if someone else could do it, it would be appreciated.  Also, Fox’s link to Lake Park has hawk statues next to the General’s statue, which may be a match — hard to tell from the picture.  See:
http://www.lakeparkfriends.org/showgallery.asp?id=1&picid=15
The upside-down profile of Lincoln takes up almost the whole right side of her cloak.

Egbert, nice to see you are back at the statue… look at my last post in V8.
anyways, the birds at the base of the statue are eagles which, unfortunately, were stolen.  the city came to the conclusion that forking out 50 thou to replace the birds was too much.

Okay, I see the hawk now:
The actual hawks/eagles are now gone now, as Fox just pointed out. When did they disappear – before or after 1982?
I’m still trying to believe you about Lincoln. It could be anybody’s profile – why Lincoln? We already have the
cast in copper
reference to Lincoln, so a second one is not necessary.

The monument was dedicated on June 12, 1920 but it wasnt until later the pedastal was created.
http://people.msoe.edu/~peterson/suvcw- … lcott.html
not sure when the eagles disappeared.  interesting the architect did not only the eagles on the pedastal but the tiled terrace around it.  would love to see if the tiled area matches the lady’s collar in our P.

well they are both kind of the same shape.
but this looks more like a match to me.
which is the coast of Milwaukee.

and then
if the coast lines up her eyes are looking east along a line that contains a park
called humboldt park.
one of the larger older parks in Milwaukee –
it has a band shell or a concert area…
Just a wild guess on my part.  -so who lives near Milwaukee?

Yup gman…..you can use that info. And, like I said, if you need it, a quick Google search for images will get you the picture(s) with the red brick /bush.
Heck, gravestone.com would even show you that he was the fifth Wolcott named Erastus….the other four were cousins, born before 1804. (But, I doubt Preiss researched that in ’80 – ’81. Doing that would have required visits to the recorder offices of multiple states/ counties/cities, checking registries, census records, birth/death certificates, gravestones, etc. Heck, he probably would have had to go to England in order to find info about Simon Wolcott in the 1500’s, the guy who started the whole thing when he came here in about 1630. Unless Preiss had access to a Wolcott family Bible with a family tree, I don’t think he would have wasted the travel time and money.)
My concern about Goonies’ suggested location: It’s west, not south, of Wolcott. (But, until something is found, I’m open to anything…..including one of the ravines.)

Here ya go….hard to see the extent of the patio, if there’s a concrete boarder or if it extends around the sides and back. But….the bushes are there….don’t know if they’re the same bushes that are there now. Many (some) of the trees in the background are now stumps:
Note…the bushes that are there now are about 3 times taller than what’s in the picture

Mister EZ

Here ya go….hard to see the extent of the patio, if there’s a concrete boarder or if it extends around the sides and back. But….the bushes are there….don’t know if they’re the same bushes that are there now. Many (some) of the trees in the background are now stumps:

Thanks, I looked at a lot of old photos and satellite maps to try and figure it out. I want to say the area has been culled a bunch, but I’m sure it goes in cycles of growth and cutting.

Interesting thing I noticed….one of the old stumps had a bunch of new stalks growing out of it. Strong roots on that thing…

The GPR question is a good one you guys. The different soils will be affected in many ways over the years depending on climate and moisture week-to-week or month-to-month, not just year-to-year. How much could the soils compact year over year and how much more in a colder climate than a warmer one?
Dealing with golf greens and baseball fields over the years it is difficult to maintain a good smooth golf green or a smooth infield especially when it comes to frost heave. I’m not familiar with what will happen to top soils, clays, or sands at a depth of 3 feet or more but there is a great deal of movement when the moisture escapes the ground when going from cold to hot and vice versa.

anus905

nope.

excuse you? “nope”….get the f out of here with that. which i think you’ve already been told.
nice job gman!!!

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Nice to see you could get on the ground, walk the area and come up with a logical solve

I don’t generally comment on individual solves, but generally speaking, if your solve leads you to a spot in the middle of the woods, you have probably made a mistake somewhere along the line. As they found out in Milwaukee, digging by a single tree is challenging enough. DIgging in an area full of trees would be damn near impossible.

Euhirudinea

I don’t generally comment on individual solves, but generally speaking, if your solve leads you to a spot in the middle of the woods, you have probably made a mistake somewhere along the line. As they found out in Milwaukee, digging by a single tree is challenging enough. DIgging in an area full of trees would be damn near impossible.

If Goonie68 sees this, I’ll let him comment.
My proposed spot is adjacent to the south side of the statue.

maltedfalcon

Hey Josh!
I see where your reddit Ask me anything got taken down for lack of proof of claims…
bummer!

as usual. youre wrong lol. the one taken down was about my fucked demon haunted painting. try paying closer attention next time…

not sure why you guys are being so hostile towards me. gman has some right parts in his attempted solution, but he goes majorly wrong at one point, which ive noted multiple times. also, the answer is very publicly available and not really hard to find. this is a glaring and obvious error in my opinion. and its where he goes downhill. not to shit on his effort or anything, but its not right.

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My proposed spot is adjacent to the south side of the statue.

So the southern foot of the monument, instead of the southern foot of either the rider (Wolcott) or the horse (which would technically be a hoof) as 421 proposed a few pages back? Either fits the verse and seems more likely than anything in the woods to me.

Euhirudinea

So the southern foot of the monument, instead of the southern foot of either the rider (Wolcott) or the horse (which would technically be a hoof) as 421 proposed a few pages back? Either fits the verse and seems more likely than anything in the woods to me.

Southern foot of Wolcott, the horse or the monument is all the same. The stones have been there around the monument for a long time, so we would have to move to the next available space which would be at the foot of the entire monument itself.
The bushes that are there now, I am unsure when they were planted and what may have been disturbed.
Really the point of me posting, is more to share the photos, videos, maps, ideas, connections so that maybe someone else can take the ball and run with it. I have no idea when I might get back to Milwaukee, if ever.
In Goonie’s defense, the area “in the woods” isn’t really in the woods so to speak. It is at the fringe of the golf course. Unfortunately, I did not venture over there, but it is possible there may be a birch or other marker in that area. Certainly you can walk over there when you lose a golf ball. I’m hoping that someone who is local might visit and look around and take some photos.

anus905

not sure why you guys are being so hostile towards me. gman has some right parts in his attempted solution, but he goes majorly wrong at one point, which ive noted multiple times. also, the answer is very publicly available and not really hard to find. this is a glaring and obvious error in my opinion. and its where he goes downhill. not to shit on his effort or anything, but its not right.

You should really quit this forum.

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not sure why you guys are being so hostile towards me

Quite simply, it’s because of your inability or unwillingness to distinguish between a solve and a solution. Every single one of us has ideas (solves) of where the casques should be or were at one time. Some are more logical than others, but none are solutions until they lead directly to an existing casque, either in whole or in pieces, no matter how compelling the evidence. And if you are of the mind that all ten of the remaining casques are irretrievably lost (without a trace) to the forces of man and/or nature, then perhaps this is not the puzzle for you anymore. It seems silly to keep looking for something that you are convinced that neither you nor anyone else can find.

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so that maybe someone else can take the ball and run with it.

People are digging in Milwaukee. I would think if any of them think the Wolcott solution has merit, the area has already been explored again.

Euhirudinea

I don’t generally comment on individual solves, but generally speaking, if your solve leads you to a spot in the middle of the woods, you have probably made a mistake somewhere along the line. As they found out in Milwaukee, digging by a single tree is challenging enough. DIgging in an area full of trees would be damn near impossible.

Yes I would agree about a location with trees, but as in Chicago “Then end of ten by thirteen” Was in relation to the casque being in and or around trees.

Euhirudinea

People are digging in Milwaukee. I would think if any of them think the Wolcott solution has merit, the area has already been explored again.

Most of the fun was in being there, exploring, learning about the area and history, enjoying the park.
The casque is secondary to me. It would be great if someone finds it, but I am happy just to share.
That being said, an 8″ square (cube) is difficult to locate with the non-specific clues provided by the author. It may still be there somewhere.

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Was in relation to the casque being in and or around trees.

If it helps, the nearest tree to the dig spot in Chicago was almost 20′ away. The closest tree in the grid (10×13 by some accounts) was almost 60′ away. As a reference point maybe, but it would be a stretch to suggest that the casque was “in or around” trees.

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It may still be there somewhere.

Until it is located somewhere else, there is always that possibility.

gman…here’s some extra info:
The original patio in front of the Wolcott monument was placed there in the early ’20’s. I believe that it was made of red brick pavers…at least somewhere along the way, it became red brick. I don’t know if it was outlined with concrete slabs or if it extended around the sides and back of the monument, for its entire existence. Sometime while the patio was red brick, the bushes were planted…could have been in the late ’80’ or sometime after that. (Easy to find an undated color image with the red brick and bushes. Undated…. they could have been there in the ’70’s.). Because of the patio (and, the benches which were always part of the monument), there’s no way the casque is buried under his foot/his horse’s hoof (as suggested by 421).
In 2008, when they restored the monument, they replaced the pavers with those that are in your pictures. It’s now outlined with concrete slabs and extends around the sides and back.
Interesting note: some of those red bricks are still laying on the ground next to the northern line of bushes, just to the west …..others are in the field/woods south of the monument, north of the ravine . Either parks/recs and their landscapers did a crappy job of cleanup back in 2008 OR a searcher dug those up and chucked them off to the side. (Somebody dug behind the statue, recently…..four holes… three weren’t deep, 1.5′ to about 2′. My probe sunk down a full 3.5′ into the fourth dig spot. The bricks might have come from those holes or from previous digs.)
In the SE corner you’ve circled, there’s a flood lamp. It’s not solar powered. So, there are buried electrical supply lines leading up to it….caution is needed, if you don’t have utility surveys or a proper utility gpr marking of the ground.
Speaking of gpr – – decibelnyc posted back in 2014 that he teamed up with animal painter for a bit….and, he said he gpr’d all around the monument. Wrote that he found nothing.

Mister EZ

gman…here’s some extra info:
The original patio in front of the Wolcott monument was placed there in the early ’20’s. I believe that it was made of red brick pavers…at least somewhere along the way, it became red brick. I don’t know if it was outlined with concrete slabs or if it extended around the sides and back of the monument, for its entire existence. Sometime while the patio was red brick, the bushes were planted…could have been in the late ’80’ or sometime after that. (Easy to find an undated color image with the red brick and bushes. Undated…. they could have been there in the ’70’s.). Because of the patio (and, the benches which were always part of the monument), there’s no way the casque is buried under his foot/his horse’s hoof (as suggested by 421).
In 2008, when they restored the monument, they replaced the pavers with those that are in your pictures. It’s now outlined with concrete slabs and extends around the sides and back.
Interesting note: some of those red bricks are still laying on the ground next to the northern line of bushes, just to the west …..others are in the field/woods south of the monument, north of the ravine . Either parks/recs and their landscapers did a crappy job of cleanup back in 2008 OR a searcher dug those up and chucked them off to the side. (Somebody dug behind the statue, recently…..four holes… three weren’t deep, 1.5′ to about 2′. My probe sunk down a full 3.5′ into the fourth dig spot. The bricks might have come from those holes or from previous digs.)
In the SE corner you’ve circled, there’s a flood lamp. It’s not solar powered. So, there are buried electrical supply lines leading up to it….caution is needed, if you don’t have utility surveys or a proper utility gpr marking of the ground.
Speaking of gpr – – decibelnyc posted back in 2014 that he teamed up with animal painter for a bit….and, he said he gpr’d all around the monument. Wrote that he found nothing.

Thanks for sharing that info! That helps, and with your permission, I’d like to add it to my document. This is exactly what I’m hoping for, collaboration.
I’ll freely admit that I hit the end of the line with a fizzle. Not that it counts for much, but as I mentioned right after the visit, the walk through felt exhilarating right up to the Wolcott statue. Going beyond that to the Lion Bridges and Lighthouse felt like the trail went cold. Maybe it was because I had really scouted the light house area and ravines the day before, or maybe the weather, or that I had just walked through a huge park for miles….but the clues stopped happening.
I’m open to anything until this thing is found, even if just remnants. I think it could be where Goonie68 suggested. There may be a clearing in the trees or was at one time.
The nagging thing is that if there was any truth to Preiss’ statements:
1. He thought they would be found in a short time.
2. The difficulty is related to the value of the gem.
Then I don’t see the area off of the 10th fairway (in the trees) as being out of the question at all. At one time there may have been a good spot in one of the ravines also.
As an aside, I like the idea of GPR, I’m just not convinced that it will help anyone find such a small object. In that case, would buried bricks have set it off?

GPR is not a metal detector – you basically get a printout of the densities of the ground below the reader at multiple depths. this has to be interpreted. one way is they plot them on a graph that shows basically a cross section of the ground that the GPR has scanned over. or you can take all the data and create a map of the whole area scanned to show densities at different depths.. so yes theoretically a brick would show up but really what you are looking for is the change in density of where a hole has been dug in the past. plus different frequency gprs are better for different depth readings. (so not just any gpr would be good)

maltedfalcon

GPR is not a metal detector – you basically get a printout of the densities of the ground below the reader at multiple depths. this has to be interpreted. one way is they plot them on a graph that shows basically a cross section of the ground that the GPR has scanned over. or you can take all the data and create a map of the whole area scanned to show densities at different depths.. so yes theoretically a brick would show up but really what you are looking for is the change in density of where a hole has been dug in the past. plus different frequency gprs are better for different depth readings. (so not just any gpr would be good)

BTW, good podcast, just listened this morning.
I am just wondering if a small object like a casque in plexiglas (which may or may not be cracked at this point) would effectively show up as a large enough anomaly to be recognized. I saw the scan someone posted of a new replica casque in virgin soil, but I’m not convinced.

gManTexas

I am just wondering if a small object like a casque in plexiglas (which may or may not be cracked at this point) would effectively show up as a large enough anomaly to be recognized. I saw the scan someone posted of a new replica casque in virgin soil, but I’m not convinced.

That is the question! I just sent a replica casque to florida to be tested under a gpr in florida soil conditions. so we will see.
The thing is the gpr is reading the soil not the objects so theoretically even a hold dug 40 years ago would show up as different then virgin soil
I think the big problem is what happens if the area was tilled (even if the casque is totally intact.) it might not show at all.

Unknown

Unknown:
this is probably a stretch, but the tower on the left could be the Harvard Lampoon Castle:
http://www.harvardlampoon.com/history/castle.htm
Both Sean Kelly and Ted Mann worked for the National Lampoon, which was founded by H.L. alumni.

I hate to stretch a stretch, but could that be a Phi Beta Kappa key?

this is probably a stretch, but the tower on the left could be the Harvard Lampoon Castle:
http://www.harvardlampoon.com/history/castle.htm
Both Sean Kelly and Ted Mann worked for the National Lampoon, which was founded by H.L. alumni.
The castle itself was designed by H.L. founder Edmund March Wheelwright, and she is looking at a wheel to our right.  There are plenty of other domed towers in the area, including two within sight, that could be the right tower in the image.
The Celtic cane she is juggling also seems a tie-in to Boston.
http://members.aol.com/canesextra/page13.html

Unknown

Unknown:
…you can see a bell in her palm…

I do not see any intentionally placed bell there. I believe it is merely an illusion.  But i’ve done a close-up for people to judge for themselves.
http://catwood.leftbrained.org/TheSecre … 0-hand.jpg

somthing else to note from this pic (which by the way, is now driving me crazy, i cant decide if this is Boston or if Pic 3 is Boston now) is if you look in her right hand, the one without the ball, you can see a bell in her palm.  this bell resembles the one in Revere’s court yard much better than the bells in Pic 3 (except for the one, in the bottom left).  so im officially gone crazy. either way, i’ll have my book, and i’ll scour the town looking for towers that resemble the two in pic 10, and also find any connections to pic 3.

Can someone supply a full high-res scan of the entire ground area of the pic?  There are a lot of little lines (straw-like) and potentially numbers down there.  Or, perhaps not.
It seems that Cat’s scan does not reach all the way to the bottom of the pic.  Perhaps it does and I or my computer have made an error.
–Johann

Unknown

Unknown:
In the “pp.20-21” thread, Fox and Shawn point out that the 2 balls being juggled could refer to the 2nd month — February.  However, how do you explain the flower and gem apparently not matching?

Maybe the other items dont match so they wont be counted.  After knocking off all of the other month’s, this P is most definitely February (2) and there are no other 2-alike items in the P except for the red balls.
About her face.  I found 2 possibles (but dont have good URL’s)  One is Anne Sullivan and the other is…..darn it, cant find my notes and dont remember her name (was an Irish sounding name beginning with “O'”.  Will try to find it again.  It also wasnt a perfect match but I think the mouth was pretty similar.

Unknown

Unknown:
Obviously, no casque for the guy who dug, either.

Or not. It’s possible that if one were to be dug up in Milwaukee, we might not know the circumstances for a while, or ever. And that’s also true for all the other parks where digs are not being supported by the authorities, which is to say most of them.

Some pictures of Milwaukee City Hall:

Now I’m thinking what if “birch” is really “bridge”.
After Zeidler you could cross the bridge at Plankinton to 2nd and then turn right (west) on W. Greenfield (step onto nature = a green field?) and then pass over the freeway on an overpass (another bridge) and then turn south on 6th and pass a few more overpasses (not crossing, they are just parallel now) till you get to Koscuizsko Park and then turn east on Lincoln St. to face the south foot of the horse and rider statue of a 1/5 star general.  (Posted pics to the Verse 8 thread.)
Seems to me that you do start in Lake Park, view the Mitchell Hall after climbing the Grand Stair and then walk into downtown as you travel south and west, continue past City Hall and turn south when you get to the US Cellular Arena (was Mecca) and continue to the corner of Zeidler, cross over to Plankington…  It all fits a path now.
Once again, another spot that is pretty much out in the open and inconsistent with the other two finds.

HI everyone, New to the forum but have been working on the Milwaukee one for a few years. Don’t have any new theories but have a thought that i’m sure has been said before.
If you look at Chicago and Cleveland the burial spot was near or in a man made object. Chicago in a park near a fence that was pictured, and Cleveland literally in a man made planter.
So where ever it is in Milwaukee it’s gotta be near something man made not just some random tree. Would be way to hard to pick out one tree in an entire park full of them. Also that object has to be in the picture. So either that man made object is now gone or we can’t see it in the picture.
Thoughts?

yes and if it follows suit then the manmade object is pictured in the image.
i.e the fence and fixture in chicago
and the wall in cleveland
Welcome!

Goldengate

In the interest of preserving the original Milwaukee Image 10 discussion thread…

Yeah, in case it hasn’t been stated, I believe that the juggler’s collar, which looks like bricks, represents the patio around the Wolcott statue. I also believe the casque is (or was) near the south side of said patio.

I would require some serious convincing of any place other than Milwaukee.
To me, it doesn’t get much better than that.

If you include the “aw” sound in “utah,” all the letters of “walk” from “walking stick” are in “salt lake city”!! Convinced yet?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ5LpwO-An4

Image 10 forum is full of wiseguys today 🙂

Toasty,
Try to read all the forums completely. I know it takes a while, but it’s the second step after reading the book itself. There is a lot of info you need to look over more carefully.
People have spent time on this, there are image and verse confirmations for some cities that many people agree on…Image 10 being Milwaukee is one.

Hey, I’d be happy to unpost 2200 or so…just to clear things up for ya.

erexere

Hey, I’d be happy to unpost 2200 or so…just to clear things up for ya.

Yeah, I can’t tell you how many days of my life I’ve wasted researching absolute nonsense. I try to keep the posting of that nonsense to around 10%, though, which includes trolling. Too bad hind sight is 20/20.
Welcome, Toasty!

Honestly, I hope its understood that I felt it was a very important contribution that more than 95 percent of my posts help everyone understand the truth about confirmation bias.
“Cocaine, its a helluva drug.” -Dave Chappelle.
http://youtu.be/udNHsk57f24

I posted what I think is a good working solution. There are image and verse matches, and I think with some time and research we will be able to pin it down to an exact location. Will it still be there…who knows. With the close match to the Juggler on the Juneau statue, that puts you only 100 yards or less from the Lincoln Memorial Bridge. That would be your bridge, at the top of the bridge is a statue of Lincoln…going southeast from the bridge puts you in the area by the war memorial… If he is leading you south to the grounds from there (which is the only way to go if you are “staying west” as you would have to walk east to get behind the war memorial) there is a chance it could be where the Discovery World museum sits now, or even a bit further south to the large play field is next to the Summerfest north gate.
I also had a thought that the first few verse lines for Milwaukee were a city confirmation. If you put together Mitchell, with “At a distance in time From three who lived there” you are going to come up with either Pabst, Schlitz, and Miller….or Walker, Kilbourn, and Juneau. Since the founding of the city evolved around Walker, Kilbourn, and Juneau I would put that as the correct assumption even though the brewery founders would be attractive considering the German theme.
So if this is correct, and there seems to be a pattern with the first part of the verse as a tie in to the city, so you can properly match up the verses to the images, then we can assume with some degree of certainty that Image 10 goes with Verse 8 and they both go with Milwaukee.
Let’s look at Chicago also….the water tower is not a hidden clue, like Cleveland, and if you start at the water tower, its a straight shot all the way down Michigan Ave to Grant Park. As I recall there weren’t many visual clues between the water tower and the treasure area until you got close. In Image 10, City Hall is not really hidden…its one of the first few things you notice. If you use it as a starting point, the puzzle works a lot like Chicago. Wells st. is the verse clue, the closer you get to the grounds the more visuals you see, and when you see the biggest visual of all, then you see your bridge, but you would never even know it’s a bridge until you could see the underneath from the same position you would be looking at the plaque on the statue. It looks more like a culvert because Mason street just turns into it and dead ends at the war memorial, without it really looking like you are about to go on a bridge…coming into Juneau Park from Wells would take you to the statue via a footopath.
So we don’t necessarily need to start at Mitchell Mansion, even though there is a strong visual there, I think it’s more of a city confirmation in the verse, and you can look to other verses to find this also.

How many times do I have to tell you people?!?!
You park the semi and
then
you go look for the casque in the ravine!!!

Wow this thing is really blowing up!!
This is what happens when you let a computer do all the thinking for you. This guy’s GPS must have been made by Preiss Visual Publications.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unQJNB_8HiI
The crazy thing about this is that there is NO WAY POSSIBLE to mistake the foot path from the parking lot as a road…and there are 3 signs there plus a Caution sign…no right turn, under the stop sign it lists prohibited vehicles, and the 3rd sign states that it’s a Service Drive Only.
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0676412 … -8Vv_w!2e0
The side of the truck said “We drive a fine line…” but it was reported that it should have said…”We followed the verse, line by line”

decibalnyc

there is NO WAY POSSIBLE to mistake the foot path from the parking lot as a road

I guess that’s what the company means when they say they “drive a fine line.”

I think Willhouse has finally had it with the whole thing 🙂
I would expect another tractor/trailer combo to show up at Herman park soon LOL

What about a jackhammer? They might’ve paved right over the casque and it’s still there!

A question for all you Milwaukee people: What’s your “recognition image” going to be?
One pattern that’s starting to seem pretty likely at this point is that every image contains a very specific and very distinctive representation of something you’ll see when you’re right there at the final spot where the casque is buried. Preiss and Palencar put that in to give us a powerful “Aha” moment and to confirm that we’re actually in the right place and ready to start digging.
The recognition image isn’t going to be something huge. It’s not going to be an iconic image for a city. It’s not going to be something you see everywhere. It’s not going to be something that would be on a postcard. It’s going to be something small and innocuous but still distinctive.
Look at what we have so far:
Chicago: the fence post
Cleveland: the wall, the columns, and the actual garden bed
San Francisco: the spiral on the stairway railing
New York: the arched window divided into panels with four squares in the middle
So what’s it going to be in Milwaukee? A view of City Hall from a block away? Too iconic. A primrose? Too common. A pair of red spheres? Maybe, but it’s awfully vague for a final confirmation. There are 18 pairs of red spheres on the Lake Park golf course alone.
The only realistic possibilities for a final confirmation image are the key, the walking stick, and the millstone. If someone can show me a place in Milwaukee where there’s a key or a cane on public display, I’ll certainly be interested. But, failing that, we’re down to the millstone for the final confirmation.
That’s why it baffles me that no one has (apparently) tried to dig near those trees at the foot of East Ravine Road. The route fits the verse perfectly (up the steps, into the culvert, down the path) and it’s got
the “recognition image” of the millstone
right there at the end. I haven’t seen it mentioned on this forum yet, but you could even make a case that the vent pipe by the millstone – the one that makes an upside-down “J” – is represented in the folds of the cape.
Seriously, what more are you waiting for in a solution?

I think the large pattern on the interior of the cape is meant to look like a tree rotated 90 degrees, but its really the folds of a boot or some other garment on a statue. When I compared it to the low res image of the left boot of the Kozy monument it didnt look like a convincing match, so I’ve asked crashdome and some other contacts to take a photo of the right side of the statue just to be sure. I think its very possible its “under the boot” like the idiom “under the boot of imperialism”.

Oreg.
There was no letter on either of those trees.
AP

animal painter

There was no letter on either of those trees.

I’m not sure we actually know that. Do you have photos of those trees from 1981? (If so, please post them here. I haven’t seen them.)
But my question still remains: What is the “recognition image” from this painting going to be if not the millstone?

The tree forming the cape or the trees under the cape would be recognizable and not iconic.
(Neither tree by the “millstone” was a birch.)

Where is the “verse/painting callback” in this one? That’s what I want to know. There has to be something in the verse that tells you what you should be looking for, but I can’t see anything in this verse that makes me look at the painting. Maybe they all don’t work that way, this verse (more than many of the others) does seem like it would direct you to a dig spot on its own.
While trees were definitely used as counting markers, and trees grow slowly, it’s really tough to have tree barks translated into photos and hope those hold up for a while. A bad moss can ruin the hunt.

Callback: a verse based pointer to the nearest visual based clue?
This notion doesn’t happen in all puzzles. It may be evident with the few which are easier by design, but my theory which attempts a similar idea, that is it brings focus to the final component of the puzzle, it has to do with the first line. Preiss found a spot he liked after scouting and then tbought about how his spot could identify with the starting line of a verse poem.
View the three stories of mitchell…
Three. Stories. If you take the word stories as an alternative to “account”, then you might identify a “bank” of three things.
I believe the three benches in a row that use to exist next to the Kozy monument in the historic Mitchell neighborhood might meet this criteria.
I’ve found a similar fit to the word LANE from verse 5. I found that I have exactly one place to go which allows free travel between “walls” of granite. I’ve found it works with verse 4 and 12 as well. I’ve beginning to feel real confidence in this process.

animal painter

The tree forming the cape or the trees under the cape would be recognizable and not iconic.

animal painter

Neither tree by the “millstone” was a birch.

Meh… I don’t think so. There’s not a huge range of appearances among tree trunks. They all look pretty much alike and it would be hard to tell them apart even if you had a photograph. (And the folds of the cape are far from photographic quality.) Plus there’s the fact that tree trunks are constantly changing with growth and decay.
Take a look at the recognition images I listed above. Not a one of them is biodegradable. Preiss chose features made of stone, glass, or steel, with distinct shapes and clean lines. That’s what I’d say we should be looking for in Milwaukee too.
True enough. But the verse doesn’t say the final tree is a birch. It only says the first tree is a birch. The fifth tree is just the fifth tree.
If I had to guess, I’d say that BP bought a small, cheap letter “G” at a hardware store and nailed it to the final tree to indicate which tree searchers should use once they spotted the “millstone.” It took him two minutes to do it and, six months later, it took a park maintenance worker two minutes to remove it. And you’ll never find the letter or any evidence it was there or anyone who remembers it being there. So don’t waste your time with it. The casque was (is?) at the southern foot of either the locust or the ailanthus by the millstone.
If you don’t buy that then, again, what visual confirmation clue are you expecting to find when you reach the treasure site?

Well that’s the “image callback” I’m looking for.
“Seek the columns”
“Fence and fixture”
We know those two.
The other image callbacks are “Land by the window” and some of us believe in Boston “Lit by lamplight” is one of them. That’s 4 puzzles with this. In Image 12 it’s been suggested that since the woman only has a shadow on one arm, the “in the shadow of the gray giant” line refers to the shadow in the image. Which would make 5. See where I’m going with this? “White stone close at hand” very likely means you’ll be looking at a stone much like the white stone in that image. Possibly 6.
SOMETHING other than walking directions has to tell you what to dig at. The Milwaukee painting is sparse, and the walking directions seem very direct, so maybe this one doesn’t have it, but I’d want to rule it out, because it may point to the “dig here” image.
I don’t know why anyone expects “letter from wunderstone’s hearth” to be a G because of Germany. I would expect a letter with an umlaut (ü) or an esszet (ß) which are instantly recognizable as being from Germany. The 2 solved “dig heres” are both depicted in the image (the wall and the fence/fixture) and are very very permanent. I doubt it’s nailed to a tree, but that is pure gut speculation.

Well the verse makes a lot more sense now looking at this 1985 map. Great find Crash.

Wells St. didn’t have a bridge in 1985, you can see they are building it….So if you were in front of the Pabst Theater, Woman with harpsichord, City Hall would be across the river at a distance in space. Yes Oregonian you can use that.

You would have to go to State St. to cross the bridge, walk past the laureate, and get to the fountain where BP took the picture of City Hall.

Im still thinking BP took the pic from the roof level of the parking garage.

In 2008, I found the Girl Scout trail brochures and maps
for their “Trail of the Parks” through Lake Park.
Back then, trying to find photos taken by the original
scouts who created the “trail”, I was able to talk to
the woman who was in charge of the project.
She did not remember any of the names of the girls
who were in the troops when they created the trail.
Today, I called another woman (who is in her 70s)
who was also involved in scouting at that time.
She did not remember any of the particular girls
names who were involved back in 1972 when they
first made the trail…but she did give me the name
of the original lady who was in charge.
It was the SAME lady I spoke to in 2008!
She is 95 years old and still going strong!
(But she still does not remember any names…)
There are a few former Girl Scout leaders who
get together twice a year…and they will be meeting
on November 1st. I asked the woman to inquire of
the group if any of them remembered names of the
girls who created the trail, or if anyone had any
photos of Lake Park, LMD around the bridges and
ravines from the 1970s or 1980s.
I did this once before with no results, but maybe
something will come of it this time!

What an excellent story! That’s fantastic effort, AP! Looking forward to hearing what comes of it.

Look at this…Do you think that the red balls in image 10 are the circular holes in a grey concrete bridge?
That seems an unnecessary stretch of logic. (The photo is from 2007, before these balls were replaced with yellow ones.)
kr

animal painter

Look at this…Do you think that the red balls in image 10 are the circular holes in a grey concrete bridge?
That seems an unnecessary stretch of logic. (The photo is from 2007, before these balls were replaced with yellow ones.)
kr

I was finally looking at the tee markers on Google Maps the other day and wondered why everyone was talking about them when they were clearly yellow, now it makes sense to me they used to be a different color. Perhaps I missed that they were replaced with yellow ones in the discussion here, I just assumed they were and still are orange. Thank you for clearing up this recent confusion for me. Looks like a pretty good match to me.
The thing I can’t get around (and if I missed this somewhere in the discussion please tell me), is why is only one of the juggled objects have the same blowing blue light surrounding it that surrounds the juggler’s head, right shoulder, and right hand? None of the other objects – including the other orange ball – feature this. Surely that’s intentional and is used to indicate something, right?
Edit: Regarding the glowing blue light, atomic and Merlot noted it earlier this year but there wasn’t much discussion on it. I’m intrigued why only one object (and only one of the two balls) has a glowing blue background.

The tee markers are blue flags now, and the plastic ones are new since 1981 as well, they used to be round wooden balls of the same orange color, I know I took one home with me when I was still a teenage delinquent in my youth many many years ago.
The color on those are darn near an exact match, and I’ve always thought they were tee markers…this is the one reason I won’t abandon L.P. even when I keep finding other evidence because these are an exact match IMO.
NOW…those who subscribe to Lake Park being the correct place will say that those Tee Balls are an exact match and this confirms Lake Park as the correct area. The neck pattern being found on a 3 story Mitchell building downtown is just a coincidence.
Those who subscribe to L.P. not being the right place will say that the Tee Balls are coincidence and the other find is hard evidence….I’ve been on both sides of the argument and it gets you nowhere. I can’t say where I think it is…I just don’t know yet….it is important to keep looking for evidence.
It’s hard to say weather those balls were to represent tee markers…if the color was even slightly off people might throw that theory right out the window and revert to saying they are the balls on the ravine rd. bridge. In the same respect my brick pattern from the neck that I have spotted all over town….I haven’t spotted it in Red and Gold, but I know the parking structure on Milwaukee and Wells, as well as the Mitchell Mansion were both painted…as of now, I think color is probably important to something…That same shade of color is used for a few different objects in other images…the Rose in image 1 The Armour guts in Image 3 The tile at the top of image 7, and the gem in image 8. It could be an arbitrary thing, maybe only used to represent Feburary, maybe a clue to the solve. Also I have played golf at Lake Park many many times over the years and those plastic balls are even replacements for wooden ones that existed pre 2000.
The neck pattern is gold and red…same colors as in ALL the theaters downtown and there are like 8 of them. That color could also be gold or faded yellow brick with something red in the background…or whatever…it might be something that doesn’t exist anymore…like an old parking structure or building near UWM that was torn down since 1981. To me it looks like the ceiling of an old beer hall or tavern…a speakeasy, Milwaukee has a lot of them all over.
In any case…I agree those tee balls are a dead match, and I believe the wooden ones from the 80’s matched just as well…so that has to be weighed into everything, but just because you find 1 match for 1 thing….that doesn’t mean it’s bad to keep looking and keep identifying matches to other things. There are many things that match up to the millstone, but I don’t think anyone has been able to say THAT’S IT beyond a reasonable doubt. If color is important, that neck pattern will be gold and red, the millstone will also be darker on the outside than it is on the top and will have a square hole in it.

meatypuffs

The thing I can’t get around (and if I missed this somewhere in the discussion please tell me), is why is only one of the juggled objects have the same blowing blue light surrounding it that surrounds the juggler’s head, right shoulder, and right hand? None of the other objects – including the other orange ball – feature this. Surely that’s intentional and is used to indicate something, right?

Recently I came up with a theory on the glowing blue objects…there is still no hard proof, but I thought that some of (or maybe all) the objects with the blue hue could be things that are found in the city…real things. Like in the Chicago image has the fairy pouring the water which is found on the fountain…but only the womans image is on the fountain, not the wings or the water basin, coincidentally the wings and basin aren’t surrounded in blue.
Because that hue seems to be in every image, it’s hard to tell weather the theory holds weight. I guess if you find something that’s in an image in reality and the image doesn’t have the hue, this would prove that theory wrong.
I’ve also wondered about the Milwaukee puzzle being very unique….it has a rebus instead of coordinates….there is a possibility you may be required to go inside a building as part of the search which doesn’t seem to follow any kind of pattern, there are hardly any kinds of tangible clues like architecture, statues, buildings, WALLS and PILLARS…FENCEPOSTS. I would say it’s one of the harder ones to figure out as far as matching up the images to the verse in 1 spot in the city.

Hey Savral, thanks. I dont have much in the way of an explanation. If there is a specific reason to ascend to the top of a structure, I’m left with guessing that is what a dwarf or anyone might do when wanting to have a better view of things at a distance. Theres surely a structure to this particular puzzle that focuses on the number three. My favorite conclusion is that three miles walked in one hour (a league) is a distance traveled as the intent for the references to space and then time, but also a hint for Wells.
I think its vital that we understand why each piece fits. Theres an oversimplifying perspective that ever clue is some absolute physical place of reference. Thats the scavenger hunt mentality that is unwilling to see how ideas are formed. Thats the biggest reason aside from having to navigate vagueness that has prevented people from grasping the motives of the author. Thats why his help to the Chicago finders allowed people to assume otherwise.
I now recall that the view of City Hall at street level from the corner of State St. isnt perfect. It looks to me that you have to move a little to the west to get the parallax right, but that means a building obstructs view, which makes climbing to thr top of the parking structure a good idea. I would love for a local person to verify.

This is really interesting to me. I’m assessing the distances from point to point using the distance tool on Wikimapia. The Wisconsin Club to the spot where you can view the spires of City Hall as depicted (top level of a parking garage which was existing in 1982) is the same distance away from the Solomon Juneau statue at the end of Wells St.
It would be very cool if someone in Milwaukee would be willing to take a photo of City Hall from the top level (3rd level?) of the parking garage on State St. Then we can compare that to the illustration.

I apologize but I am not following. Why take the picture from inside that parking structure? I was pretty certain that to get the same look as the shadow in the figure you needed to be between Kilbourn and State St. However, I think I don’t have much going on this weekend that I could probably do it for you. In fact, last weekend I was all over again and took more pictures. Figured I could upload them and let people just take a look at things.

Well weather you buy into the “visual map” on the rebus or not, the millstone or oval track would dictate that you’ve gone too far…it’s only about 150 yards from the ravines to the track…if that. I just threw that out there to see what would stick…as I said I also believe it’s a 1/4 mile track, the only thing the track has to do with it, IMO, is to serve as a marker to let you know that you’ve gone too far.
Also the verse says first young birch…I feel this is represented by the 2nd of the 2 balls, the first ball representing the bridge. The “pass 3 staying west” says nothing about Birch tree’s, nor does “proud tall 5th” it’s only inferred. If you look at the image…relating this to my map theory, right before you would get to the gem, you would pass the image in the cape, which I have always believed is a 3 trunked tree, with something in the distance…you would stay west of it…this probably meant to take you behind a small patch of woods that separates the wood line from Lincoln Memorial Drive, where a large multi-trunked tree once stood. By the image map I proposed, if you follow the path towards the gem from the 2nd red ball, the cape image would be to your east (you would be staying west of it) and the gem would be just between the 3 trunked tree and the outer cape image which most likely represents the “proud tall 5th.” Let me point out that if the tree with the foot on the outer edge of the cape is the “proud tall 5th” it is NOT a birch tree. It very clearly has vertical bark, more along the lines of a cottonwood.
This map theory could be completely wrong, as with anything we’ve determined…however, it seems to make sense and fit all the objects we encounter along the way. The prior theory was BP didn’t know his trees, and mistook cottonwood’s for birch trees. I don’t feel this is correct, he may have confused a young poplar tree with a young birch, but it’s VERY HARD to see a paper birch and not know what it is…they stand out big time…it’s a white tree. I believe their defiantly was a paper birch tree at the end of the north ravine…depending on which side of the ravine it was on, would send you north or south…my map theory would dictate that if the north ravine (the one of rock and soil) were correct, then going south as you exit the ravine towards the big cottonwoods would be wrong…also there was no casque found there when Forest and Co. dug out the entire south side of that tree in 2006.
SO here we are with our thoughts…at the end of the ravine…trying to find a “letter from the country” on a “proud tall fifth” AGAIN I pose to you that the ONLY things with writing down there….
A Speed Limit sign – 30 MPH along LMD (can’t verify it was there in 1982, also speed limit may have been 25 then need to check on this)
The Girl Scout Trail Markers which were fastened to tree’s – All of them gone now, but we do know the locations some of them existed.
A tree that had a G carved into it, we don’t know when it was carved, it wasn’t a giant tree, or a birch tree…and it is also gone now
And ladies and gentlemen…THAT IS IT…save a possible road sign that was broken off by vandals many years ago. Either there is a really clever play on words that we are missing, or it’s exactly how it’s written and the markers are all missing. Either way it’s a needle in a haystack at this point.
I walked it again last night, and walked over to the memorial “site 11” on the LPF map. Sorry no Birches there, but as the nature society stated, there were a lot more birches in the 80’s than now. This spot is interesting, but pretty far from where the verse leaves you at the end of the ravines. If you had a good explanation for how you would get there, I’d be happy to GPR it.

decibalnyc & AP could you guys check these trees out, the next time your out walking the pk
would be nice if there is a birch tree in the mix
its # 11 on the map
http://www.lakeparkfriends.org/images/e … 1921LG.jpg
map
http://www.lakeparkfriends.org/explore.shtml

We will check it out on the next expedition.

Unknown

Unknown:
Well weather you buy into the “visual map” on the rebus or not, the millstone or oval track would dictate that you’ve gone too far…it’s only about 150 yards from the ravines to the track…if that. I just threw that out there to see what would stick…as I said I also believe it’s a 1/4 mile track, the only thing the track has to do with it, IMO, is to serve as a marker to let you know that you’ve gone too far.

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Also the verse says first young birch..(edit) The “pass 3 staying west” says nothing about Birch tree’s, nor does “proud tall 5th” it’s only inferred.

As I’ve said, I don’t subscribe to the “visual map” theory but I would hope that I have done it respectfully and fully explained why. I have nothing but respect and admiration for those of you pounding the ground and putting in the time and resources that are going to be necessary to get another one of the casques out of the ground. If the area by the track “feels right”, then by all means continue to explore it.
I agree. The “young birch” was most likely exactly that. I have found plenty of pictures of what appear to be 30ish year old birch trees in Lake Park so it’s entirely possible that there were birches there in 1981, but they are gone now. It’s a very exposed area, as near to the lake as it is. The “pass three” probably refers to birches as well if we subscribe to the theory that these two clues work in concert to lead you to the “proud tall fifth”. That is, four newly planted trees all in an easy to follow line (IMO, somewhat close together). The “proud, tall fifth” could be any type of tree at all, and if we are surmising that birches don’t thrive in that area (owing to the fact that there aren’t any there now), then it seems more likely that the “fifth” is not a birch, but some other type of tree.

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So we are left with Pass 3 and a Proud tall 5th…I haven’t checked, but I think the oval is a 1/4 mile…although it’s not uncommon to have a 1/5th mile track.

Not sure how much I agree with what you have written, but the bottom line is that we still end up in more or less the same place, without any remaining visual confirmers to pinpoint the actual digging spot. However, my sense is that the casque isn’t as far north as the track for several reasons:
1) A track is neither proud, nor tall.
2) While there are 200 meter (1/5 of a kilometer) indoor tracks, I’ve never heard or anything but a 1/4 mile oval for outdoor tracks. I think that’s what we have here.
3) Most importantly, I think we only had 3 trees between the “first young birch” and the “proud tall fifth”, which suggests to me that everything was within a few hundred yards of the first, at most. The track seems to be a lot further than that, although maybe that’s not the case when you are actually walking it.
I will be very curious to see what the mock-up reveals, and whether that sheds any additional light on the practicality of using GPR to locate something like this. If it is inconclusive, then I’m afraid that only a historical photograph of the area is going to lead us to it.

R,
I believe you are right, and no offense taken to not subscribing to the visual map…we all have to follow what makes sense to each of us. I thought the Wolcott statue was a lock…which you may or may not see in the documentary…but after careful consideration, and searching I ruled it out for now. I followed my visual map with the verse, you followed the verse…it led us to about the same area…that being said..weather my map idea is wrong or right…it gets us to the same basic area, so I won’t rule it totally out just yet…also I can’t say it’s a lock either so it’s just kinda out there…I shared it because of all this talk about the rebus symbols and the overlays recently on the forums. I thought that some people were looking for the same things that I previously spotted so I just put it out there…maybe it will spark 421 or WR to prod deeper into it and come up with a new theory.
I also believe there very well may have been 4 birch tree’s in total…weather 3 of them were in a line or not is up for debate…could have been, and wouldn’t it be nice if it were, and pointed us in SOME direction.
I again concur that the Proud Tall Fifth is also probably not a birch tree…I think it is a Cottonwood and it is represented by the image on the top of the cape (the foot tree).
Renovator will probably not agree to this as I don’t think he is sold on the “grand 200” being the CC of the staircase, but I believe this was a reference to the stairs and roman numerals. I pose that the tree we are looking for may be in the shape of a V or roman numeral 5. The numbers 1 and 3 can be represented by straight lines, but 5 is a V….just something to consider.
THE BIG PROBLEM is this LETTER FROM THE COUNTRY. Even if we accept that we are looking for a single letter, a G or something related to Germany….where would this clue be, or WHAT would this clue be. I’ve thought it could be a tree growing in a V, also that could be a Y which is the last letter in Germany… the Y is the only letter in that word that could be represented by a tree without someone attaching a letter or marker to it. This is one of the most crucial clues as it tells you exactly where to dig…and unfortunately we may never be able to figure it out. All we can do is put up guesses.
It’s not by the Girl Scout marker tree, we cleared that area out, GPR’d it and dug up some of it…not the right spot, nor was that a very tall tree…it just happened to be in a spot where a marker needed to be placed, and because it was a young tree at the time it was placed, it was one of the last markers to remain. If it was a GS marker that represented the “letter from the country” we will have to search a lot of “suspected” places. Anyone know if the Girl Scouts have any ties to German heritage? If so, it might lend some more credence to this theory. As I said…there isn’t much there in the way of words in that area…so is this letter something other than an actual letter? I can’t be sure, but I would guess that we ARE looking for an actual letter…but I hope I am wrong and someone comes up with a good theory on this that can be further researched.
If we can agree that it is somewhere near LMD between the ravines and the track, let’s move on to figuring out the “Letter from the country” line.

decibalnyc

We will check it out on the next expedition.

thanks i got as close as i could with gman, cant tell if there is a Birch or not
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0717439 … b1MlbQ!2e0

cw0909

thanks i got as close as i could with gman, cant tell if there is a Birch or not

I went through that area several times today…no birch tree’s. As a matter of fact the ONLY birch trees I have even seen are both near the golf course. The first young birch could have been mistaken with a young poplar as well. Any trees on LMD save the big giant cottonwoods from 1980 are pretty much gone now.

Metal detectors may also be more effective when the ground you’re searching in isn’t landfill!

The metal inside looks like a thin allen wrench. The bottom part of the key was originally coated in ceramic, but the Cleveland casque and key were in pieces. Not sure if ceramic coating obscures the metal detection. That is good news if you can detect it. That is also strange news. I would think that with all of the precautions that BP took, wouldn’t he make the casque immune from metal detectors? Hmmm.

Granted, my mock-up casque and plexiglas box are not identical
to the real-deal….So I should say that the metal detector
MAY
be able to sense the allen-wrench-type metal in the key.
The ceramic mock-casque is made of very strong ceramic
that was bisque-fired (fired only once). It had no coating
or paint on it of any kind.
Also, the sound of the box being hit by a soil probe gave
more of a “thud” sound than a plastic “tick” sound.
The dirt surrounding it must muffle the sound quite a lot.
I must admit that there was still a thrill upon
seeing
the
shiny plastic box down in the hole when I was digging it up again.
AP

thank you for renewing our hopes

Scottrocks,
You are absolutely right! Photos from the past
would be the best way to find “the letter from
the country of Wonderstone’s hearth”, in order to
determine the correct “proud tall 5th”.
I’ve been doing more research on the history of Lake Park
and have been in contact with the “Lake Park Friends” representative
concerning the Girl Scout Trail Markers in the Ravines.  She has a
copy of a booklet given to them by the Girl Scouts back in the
60’s when this trail was created for “badge requirements”.
As soon as she can find the booklet, she will send one to me.
Maybe it will have a map of the locations of the markers.
I will let you know as soon as it is available.
Lake Park Friends is also having a day of sharing old park photos in
a power point presentation in May.  Maybe they will have photos
of the Lighthouse Ravines on Lincoln Memorial Drive from the 60’s-80’s.
We need to see what BP saw back in 1982.
I hope it is evident in this up-coming information.
AP

MrSeabass

Lemme blow it up and resize it as a low quality jpeg and draw on it for a bit. I’m sure I can see the plexiglass then.

All of you are cracking me up, right now. These were among my all time favorite posts.

gManTexas

Thanks! Maybe someone has or will post a converted video on Youtube from that time period. I also believe that there may be a wealth of information at the Milwaukee Historical Society, library or even the local news outlets.
Maybe if there was some major event in the park there should be footage.

The Milwaukee Historical Society and the Downtown Library both have archives that I have searched. There can be new photos added as people acquire their relatives’ albums and want to donate them to either place. That means having to return and search periodically.
There has been Summerfest since the 1970s. It takes place down LMD…closer to the Art Museum and Discovery World.

I believe I’m ready to let loose a solve for MKE. Its not on my agenda to go and do the dig myself, so its up to anyone here who would like to contact me for the details. If nobody wants to jump at the opportunity, I’ll just do the usual and put the info all together in a post here so it can be scrutinized and gather dust.

Hi all,
just got back from Milwaukee Wisc.. did a extensive walkthru involving the city hall area .. and the stretch from the shoreline all the way north to Lake park in a big circle.. took many photos and referanced everything on my GPS for later..
a few questions though..
1) anyone definitivly find the woman playing the harpsicord?
2) and the compass?
itll take several days to sort this out..
now that i have actually been there and talked to every park employee , police officer , and fire fighter i saw, i even got myself into the masonic lodge and talked to the masons for a bit lol..
i am having a problem with verse 8 and image 10 working together.. could just be me being blind though.. lol
be safe

HI all ,,
i would like to clarify the questions.. even now after i have gone there and come back and now looked to see what was posted..
i found this first on today and sorta screwed myself in my thinking .. basically discarding the lighthouse.. which i see now in the great walkthru that was done… ill attempt to attatch it now..
thanks all

hmmm.. wont allow me to paste..
ok ill put it in my web page…

ok,
its on the home page right at the top..
www.troll-werks.com
i have the coords for it off my GPS also…
N43 03.358 W87 52.690
hope i have added something.. by the looks of it the sprites have been at it … moving the trees around again LOL
be safe all

I posted in the verse 8 thread because it was mor an interpretation of the verse than the image…
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=727&start=735#p128256

Remember how Cleveland apparently used the window of the house across the street from the columns in the image, perhaps we see the same thing in this image:

Well I always saw it as a representation of the Hone Bridge with the 3 piers from Jones Island next to it…which you would be able to see, very similar to how it’s represented in the image, from the area of Juneau Park and the War Memorial….or even from the observation deck of city hall.
I had to be convinced that it was the sculpture at the PAC, and I agree…it looks more like the Hoan than it does that sculpture. Still there are things un accounted for such as step on nature, cast in copper…this could be reference to the rainbow summer stage / park area with the penny fountain in front, kitty corner from City Hall. It could also be something totally different.
History has changed Downtown much more than you would think, however…as far as bridges you can walk under…there are still not that many. I think Cathedral Square Park is a contender just because Kilbourn Ave used to be all stone pavers, and this would be the “rock and soil”
You’ll notice, if you’ve ever been under that bridge connecting the 2 MSOE buildings that there is a sewer drain directly under the bridge, and 100 paces SE from there does put you directly in that park.

It’s going to remain unclear until we find another casque whether Preiss’ design was flawed or the finders’ missed some vital detail that would’ve pinpointed the dig spot.
In Milwaukee, I think the verse is telling us that the casque is buried directly beneath the boot of Kosciusko. He has two feet that point south, whether it’s his right or left boot, I’m not sure.

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Firstly, Byron Priess was actually there when they dug up the chicago casque

I don’t think this is accurate. He gave them confirmation and encouragement, and later sent them the polaroid that he took of the dig spot when he buried the casque initially, but I don’t remember anyone saying that he was actually on site while the dig was taking place. Where did you get this information?

Euhirudinea

I don’t think this is accurate. He gave them confirmation and encouragement, and later sent them the polaroid that he took of the dig spot when he buried the casque initially, but I don’t remember anyone saying that he was actually on site while the dig was taking place. Where did you get this information?

well you could be right, but I thought that is how one of the people there reported it.

And I could be wrong. There is a lot of information on this forum. But I think I would have remembered this detail.

Euhirudinea

And I could be wrong. There is a lot of information on this forum. But I think I would have remembered this detail.

I went back through my personal notes and what I have written down, is ” even with BP telling us where to dig, we almost missed it”
I think I made the assumption that meant he was there.