Part 10 of 14 — search “image 11” to find all parts.
Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:21 pm
http://binged.it/1Hqo6cP
A possible interpretation of this L shape could be a post with its shadow symbolising a sundial maybe.
Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:36 pm
Merlot Brougham
Forgive me for jumping around on Boston theories, but can someone explain the inherent problems with the Victory Gardens being all the letters? People seemed to like it for a while, but I admittedly haven’t scoured the thread as well as I could have. That always seemed pretty good to me, a letter for every section and all:
here is an old interpretation of mine:
Path T is actually east of Path X but if you turn the map left 90 degrees so T is North of X then plots 1 to 5 are in front of you
“If Thucydides is
North of Xenophon
Take five steps
In the area of his direction”
Here is a plan showing the plots clearly:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/105492446/M … ry-Gardens
You would be on the path P outside the plots.
Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:20 pm
The first, as I mentioned, is Longfellow Park in Cambridge. The other is the Rose Garden. I can’t say anything negative about either, but I couldn’t find anything else tying it all together and I don’t think anyone else has either. There’s definitely nothing wrong with the Garden (It’s not in Longfellow Park), but someone better than myself is going to need to do some of the groundwork.
My biggest “problem” is that I’m not a super visual person. I’m more text based, analytical thinking. So the painting/matching stuff is sometimes not my strongest suit. I freely admit there’s possibly things I’ve overlooked. There’s a reason I’m trying to attack the puzzles by finding similarities and patterns rather than the old Google Maps hunt.
Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:59 pm
I have been reading through the thread, but I’m confused by one thing: do we have a map of dig sites?
Also, I spent a while on the working side of a shovel, siting fiber lines and sewer pipes for a drilling company. Two things I learned that I think are important: 1. you always feel like you are deeper than you actually are and three feet is pretty deep, and 2. if you are off by even an inch in the ground, you will not find what you are looking for. Finding things in the ground is hard.
After reading everything, I want to take a probe to C2 and just start siting and digging… I am convinced it’s there, but didn’t see anything to rule it out, or anything that says it’s been thoroughly explored with a shovel. What gives?
Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:40 am
Here’s a thought, however:
What if the box picture is only a metaphor? What if it’s saying not “this is THE castle you’re looking for” but “You’re looking for a castle-like house or other structure,” instead?
Another thing that nags at me are the swirls on the box–no one has yet given any explanation or ideas for those. I don’t think they’re only ‘filler’.
Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:54 pm
shecrab
Another thing that nags at me are the swirls on the box–no one has yet given any explanation or ideas for those. I don’t think they’re only ‘filler’.
It has been mentioned a few times. The one I like the best is that it is Boston Ivy.
Has anyone noticed this when Image11 is turned upside down? Looks like a bat hanging in a dungeon. Bats in the belfry?
Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:29 pm
Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:24 pm
i finished boston :O
huzzah!!!
Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:53 pm
There is a church that I saw weeks ago, St. Leonards, that
has the checkered arch over its doors..
Today, at St. Leonards, I found a statue with a girl that may have similarity to the image 11 fairy.
Just looking in the
North
End of Boston…since it is “North”…like Thucydides’ “area of his direction” is North…
If indeed our search is moved to the North End of Boston, we might want to be looking for the words:
“Eighteenth day” “Twelfth hour” “Lit by lamplight” “In Truth Be Free” as our casque location marker.
AP
Thu Oct 22, 2015 1:03 am
Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:11 pm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/493 … 189278271/
and the backside has the eagle:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/213/4934 … 9a382b.jpg
the eagle is a symbol of liberty and freedom, also i think, it is close to liberty mall (unless i’m turned around)
Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:09 pm
After reading back pages of this thread, I was looking in
Salt Lake City, and found several of these spheres in
front of the Mormon temple.
AP
Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:02 am
Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:26 am
That also has the voodo queen’s house across the street from it,
and if that aint the arm of a zombie, in the painting, I don’t know what it is…
Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:40 pm
Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:59 am
Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:12 pm
I know there’s a theory out there that these things are hidden on or very near to major waterways, so following that, it doesn’t seem to me like Utah fits the pattern.
Am I being dumb, or have I missed something like Preiss confirming that there was one in Utah?
Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:02 pm
MrBackstop
How about the outside of jewel box. I’ve mentioned I believe the box to actually be Fenway Park which is one of the two jewels remaining in Major League Baseball. The other of course is Wrigley Field and some may argue Dodger Stadium or the old Yankee Stadium but not me. These were the 2 jewel boxes remaining in the 70s and 80s as well. I see the images on the outside of the box as being many buildings, not just one.
1. The 2 “B”s on the box…one is backwards at the top and the other is below that one. I see this as a reference to Back (Backwards) Bay.
2. The tower with the turret and two windows is interesting. Someone had brought up the fact that 18 days and 12 hours is a total of 444 hours. You will notice that at the backside of the FireDepartment’s Engine 33 Ladder 15 building is a tower with a turret and some offset windows. What I find interesting is that the alley behind the building is Public Alley 444.
3. At the corner of Boylston and Massachusettes is another old building with a tower on the corner and a turret on top. The other tower could be one of the many on Trinity Church at Copley.
4. The arrow pointing into the circle could be a number of buildings. I see this as the center peak of Jillian’s Building at Ipswich and Landsdowne just outside Fenway.
Any thoughts? Perhaps Strike13 or Bingo would know what used to be in that Jillian’s building before they opened in the mid 80s? Any Boston searchers know?
http://mrwc.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Jillians.pdf
I like the idea of it being right by Fenway, especially with the Japanese translations and the words chosen to be focused on for verse 3.
Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:00 am
Didn’t Preiss say in the Japanese version that we should look at some of these like a cryptograph? So then why don’t we? Rather than look at “Take 5 steps” as physically taking 5 steps, maybe it means more. Maybe 5 is the number key to a pattern.
And the line “All the letters are here to see”. Could he mean that the answer is spelled out in the verse? That the answer is right here in the verse and we just need to unscramble it somehow? And not make sense of that line as in there are letters right in front of us but we need to actually pull a hidden clue from within the verse.
Not one perfect image match has been found in Boston yet so maybe it’s time we look deeper from more of a puzzle/cryptograph angle. Again, why use a reebus in one image and never use another puzzle anywhere else?? Worth a look…….
Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:26 am
Unknown
Unknown:
Preiss used a rebus puzzle for Milwaukee
True, but it’s superfluous. You can know there is a casque in Milwaukee in the same way that you can know there is a casque in Chicago and Cleveland; by simply identifying the iconic building hidden in plain sight in the Image. And while the buildings disappear, they do so gradually over 5 or 6 images while the rebus seems to be a one off. You would think that if codes, internal puzzles, and ciphers were actually a part of the greater puzzle, the second one wouldn’t be so hard to identify. It’s not like people haven’t been looking…
Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:55 am
Isn’t this forum supposed to be for sharing ideas and crossing things off the list of angles and ideas already tried? And sharing spots we’ve already dug so no one spends too much wasted time? I hadn’t seen any mention of looking into the verse for a hidden message in regards to Boston so thought I’d ask.
I see this time and time again. Someone new asks a question and they get slammed and don’t come back again. Kind of ridiculous don’t you think? At least I’m not Josh.
Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:06 am
Haarstick
Renevator – I wasn’t trying to suggest no one had thought of this before. I was curious to see if anyone reading this right now looked at this angle and if so, what types of puzzles did they apply? It’s an angle I’d like to explore and I posted my question to see if anyone had gone down this path before.
Isn’t this forum supposed to be for sharing ideas and crossing things off the list of angles and ideas already tried? And sharing spots we’ve already dug so no one spends too much wasted time? I hadn’t seen any mention of looking into the verse for a hidden message in regards to Boston so thought I’d ask.
I see this time and time again. Someone new asks a question and they get slammed and don’t come back again. Kind of ridiculous don’t you think? At least I’m not Josh.
no, I have, and I have done so many research to prove it’s realness. But later found out without a casque in hand, people will just see you as a clown.
Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:06 am
Unknown
Unknown:
I posted my question to see if anyone had gone down this path before.
Many, many times. And to date, besides the rebus in Image 10, and the acrostic in Verse 9, no one has found anything of substance to my knowledge. Which is not to say there might not be something there, and you’ll be the one to find it. Just that looking for those things is not in any way a novel idea, and that failed attempts are as ubiquitous as empty holes. Perhaps you’ll have more luck.
Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:43 pm
1. The 2 “B”s on the box…one is backwards at the top and the other is below that one. I see this as a reference to Back (Backwards) Bay.
2. The tower with the turret and two windows is interesting. Someone had brought up the fact that 18 days and 12 hours is a total of 444 hours. You will notice that at the backside of the FireDepartment’s Engine 33 Ladder 15 building is a tower with a turret and some offset windows. What I find interesting is that the alley behind the building is Public Alley 444.
3. At the corner of Boylston and Massachusettes is another old building with a tower on the corner and a turret on top. The other tower could be one of the many on Trinity Church at Copley.
4. The arrow pointing into the circle could be a number of buildings. I see this as the center peak of Jillian’s Building at Ipswich and Landsdowne just outside Fenway.
Any thoughts? Perhaps Strike13 or Bingo would know what used to be in that Jillian’s building before they opened in the mid 80s? Any Boston searchers know?
Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:24 am
Still awaiting word on one other possible confirmer and will share with all (good or bad) when that word comes.
Tue Apr 05, 2011 5:23 am
What it’s got going for it:
1. A castle-shaped monument that sorta resembles the one on the box.
2. The staircase has railings with S-shaped swirly things like those on Pandora’s dress.
3. It’s in the Boston area (Paul Revere’s ride).
Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:23 pm
maltedfalcon
Solve & Solution.
I stand corrected.
Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:29 pm
Choice
I’m not assuming anything. I was defining IF for you.
Well done. The whole puzzle and how it works is clear now. Thank you so much.
Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:44 pm
Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:47 pm
Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:58 pm
Choice
I checked this against the original book. It’s definitely there; clear and well defined face similar to shroud of Turin
Also similar to every bust of a bearded man in all of antiquity. Another great find.
Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:32 pm
Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:27 pm
Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:35 pm
Here is another at the end of Charter St in the North End as well. I didn’t find this one, someone sent it to me.
To me, both are weak when talking solid image matches.
Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:37 am
Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:43 pm
Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:46 pm
Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:07 pm
Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:05 pm
I’ll share a popular item that I question regularly. It also seems to be the closest thing to a universal belief for image 11/verse 3.
START AT THE BOSTON PUBLIC LIBRARY.
Why? What image matches are there? What directs you to start there? What directions do you get once you are there? The easy answer is NONE, NOTHING, NADA.
The most popular explanation is that Thucydides’ and Xenophon’s names are on the wall and the building itself is of Italian design. Is this really enough?
Another thing to consider… The Cultural Gardens in Cleveland have Apelles, Pindar, Socrates, Thucydides and Xenophon carved into the surrounding walls. The Cleveland verse calls out the names Apelles, Pindar and Socrates. When the topic is brought up about T&X being on the walls there, it is dismissed as merely coincidence.
When the same discussion is had about the Boston Public Library, which also has all 5 of those Greeks, it is considered hard and convincing evidence. Using this thought process, if Cleveland had never been found, people could be searching at the BPL using two different verses. Solely based on 5 famous Greek names printed on a building wall.
Please, give me something solid. I’d love to hear it. People will wag their finger and say that this puzzle and the others don’t work like Cleveland and Chicago, there is more to them. What they never say is HOW they are different. How DO they work? It is lazy to just make broad statements and never follow through with solid reasoning or examples.
End of report.
Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:57 pm
If T is “North” of X: The word “if” implies assumption meaning T is not really north of X but lets just assume it is.
North Star’s position relative to the moon in the image 11, in two-dimension is not north but north east.
The bright North Star is the lit lantern at Old North Church. To the south west, using the celestial map we find the Trinity Church. T and X both symbolize cross/church.
Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:19 pm
Assume and symbolize.
Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:33 pm
Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:55 pm
BINGO
The two words that are used the most when proposing a weak idea.
Solve & Solution.
Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:50 pm
Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:39 pm
Hi CW,
We checked the front and side of the building this morning. Thucydides and Xenophon are not among the names.
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i do like the idea about fairy castels maybe at near some amusment park
the castel in pic does remind me of the coloring book type
Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:05 am
Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:10 am
Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:14 pm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bclews/
I apologize for the slow trickle of photos to flickr. I’m trying to avoid running over my 20 MB limit on the free account. You can add 20 MB per month and I’m hoping that it is in a calendar month (since we just changed months).
Trohn, the T stop isn’t five steps from the Greeks. In fact, it is on the other side of the building. Though we still haven’t concluded exactly what “steps” are.
Also, I’m throwing out a lot of ideas as I would in any brainstorming session. I’m not attached to any, so I am not offended if you shoot them down. I only offer them as suggestions — hoping it might trigger some thoughts and discussion.
And finally, looking at the image and looking for anything that might be hidden there, along with talk of water stains, must be getting to me. If you look at the courtyard photo that I just added, take a look at the bottom of the column on the right. I know it’s just a stain, but I clearly see a face of a balding, bearded man. Weird.. (possible new tourist attraction).
Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:03 am
Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:17 am
I must commend you on the thorough documentation of the area! A great job!
Too bad it leaves us with many of the same questions that we had going in.
In regard to your thoughts that it my be wiithin the courtyard or in a buidling,
I think that percentage is low due to:
-image shows us the front of the library
-verse has us start on the East side wall
– image shows outside buidlings of the area
– no inidcation (as with Fort Mourltire) that we need permission to retrieve.
Thinking laterally, what in this general area presents itself to be (1) permanent
and (2) secluded enough to dig a hole in relative peace?
Is this a stretch: (the bird is sitting on a ‘T’)
Face the water, your back to the stairs
(Your back to the subway stairs, facing the fountain)
(The Copley T stop is about five steps from the Greeks)
Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:23 am
Trohn – where does the image show us the front of the library?
Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:46 am
I am posting the following
http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/i … 9&ei=UTF-8
to see if it helps job anything in anyone.
I like the write up of the Liberty Tree.
Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:37 pm
Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:48 pm
I know that there may be multiple entrances,
but this address puts it on the East side of Library.
Olmstead, Lions, Weather Vane s, Churchs,
slaves, civil wars, OH THE TRENDS!!
Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:04 pm
Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:11 pm
Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:49 pm
We need at least one team of three to seperate, meet back at the end of the day and compare, or 911 each other on cell phones during the recon to decipher this verse.
Reading FB’s Chicago article, it took three teens with nothing else to do but hang out in Grant Park for six months until they found it.
Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:55 pm
This appears to be (or at least a lot of people refer to it as) Pandora’s Box. Upon opening her box….everything flew out of it except for one thing……. HOPE. Is there anything Hope’ish around there? Hope Street, Hope Gardens, Hope somethingorother….
Tue Aug 03, 2010 10:17 pm
oh(light dawns) Land by the window… the map, is by the window…. duh!
Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:38 am
Sorry about crossing over the threads.
The tree in the cloak is referring to image 10.
AP
Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:17 am
Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:00 pm
Tue Aug 03, 2010 6:08 pm
Tue Aug 03, 2010 6:18 pm
can you explain this in more detail
thanks
Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:12 pm
Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:42 am
Reminds me of the Peace Bell in the Fens area.
http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM8G … ton_MA_USA
Incidentally I recently heard from someone planning a trip to Boston, which prompted me to summarise my thoughts in the usual PDF. Nothing new, but here it is for posterity.
Boston PDF summary
Tue Aug 12, 2014 11:08 pm
erexere
four21, I understand. My apologies. Disregard it then. I’m not asking you to believe me. By all means, people should be encouraged to dig in that nook if they feel that’s the right place.
I wasn’t saying I don’t believe it’s been dug, I’m saying it’s junk that you haven’t shared this previously. If you are working with people who are working on the puzzle in private, you should work on it in private with them without utilizing the collective information available. Why would we share new discoveries and thoughts that get used without reciprocation?
Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:18 pm
Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:28 pm
Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:56 pm
Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:36 pm
Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:58 am
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126777965@N07/sets/72157646368357541/
.
The main new information is that I found the three bushes wk mentioned, and I don’t think they’re a match for the globes. Their shape/layout isn’t obvious from the ground, and there are other bushes nearby. (It took me awhile to even figure out which three were the bushes in the bing image.) Look at, for example,
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126777965@N07/14706390199/in/set-72157646368357541
WhiteRabbit, I got a picture of the temple bell, but unfortunately my camera’s GPS didn’t have a signal at the time. I believe it’s in the triangular area just southeast of the garden.
I’m back home in Philadelphia now. I’m still not blown away by any of the matches in Boston, but I agree that the 2C is the most plausible casque location yet. I don’t have plans to go back to Boston until January, but if someone finds new and more convincing evidence, I’ll try to find the time for a weekend trip before that. Otherwise, I’ll try probing the nook in the 2C the next time I’m around and the ground isn’t frozen.
Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:31 pm
Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:42 pm
erexere
Yes. Two different attempts. Neither persons affiliated with this forum. I’m sorry I can’t provide further details. Please dont take this as any motive to misinform. It is always possible that I’ve been lied to…so…take it as just that.
IMHO, that’s junk. It’s a real disincentive to sharing new information within the forum knowing that you are working with others outside and not siphoning the information back in.
Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:57 pm
Tue Aug 12, 2014 6:13 pm
I believe it’s potentially useful to be skeptical whatever the case. I also believe there is a respect for privacy issue which is maintained by my sharing that exact information in exactly that manner. I don’t think it’s anything to make a big deal out of. Again, just disregard it. I don’t intend to litter the forum with false claims and if you haven’t notice, I’m doing my best to offer ideas for discussion as much as possible so that you, I or anyone else might use to potential success.
Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:12 pm
I can’t find any pictures that show the tower at Logan to be “green” at night when it would be lit up–nor can I find any information about the colors of lights on top of a control tower–whether they’re green, or red or white. (Usually tall buildings/structures have red lights on top.)
Melissa…any chance of you and the boyfriend hiking down to the harbor to take night pics? Or to scope it out?
Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:28 pm
Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:37 pm
shecrab
I thought of two possibilities for the green tower of lights: the Boston Light (which is white) or the control tower at Logan Airport, both of which can be seen from the Harbor. There’s also a “Green Island” in the Harbor, but no tall structures on it that I could find.
I can’t find any pictures that show the tower at Logan to be “green” at night when it would be lit up–nor can I find any information about the colors of lights on top of a control tower–whether they’re green, or red or white. (Usually tall buildings/structures have red lights on top.)
Melissa…any chance of you and the boyfriend hiking down to the harbor to take night pics? Or to scope it out?
lol I was just looking at Boston Light to see if it was green. I believe the control tower light at the airport is blue, but I have a bad memory so I could be wrong. I will try to get pics at night of Southie this week sometime.
Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:50 pm
water
sure is different.
Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:51 pm
boogieman
Here’s an old pic from 82′. Not much to tell but the
water
sure is different.
Is there even any water thing there??? Please say yes lol
Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:54 pm
http://www.brynmawr.edu/Acads/Cities/wl … 06460a.jpg
Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:25 am
Not that it matters, but the letter was to Sir Thomas Mann, not Horace Mann (the latter woulid be quite a trick, since their lives overlapped for less than a year). Too bad, too – talk about namesakes!
Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:07 am
Horace
Mann. The FATHER of Sir Horace Mann the Younger. He also corresponded with the son. This particular letter was to the father.
The next Augustan age will dawn on the other side of the Atlantic. There will, perhaps, be a Thucydides at Boston, a Xenophon at New York, and, in time, a Virgil at Mexico, and a Newton at Peru. At last, some curious traveller from Lima will visit England and give a description of the ruins of St Paul’s, like the editions of Balbec and Palmyra.
Letter to Sir Horace Mann (1774-11-24)
There was also a Horace Mann who was an educator, into education reform, who died here in my home state of Ohio. But he wasn’t even born until 1875 and he died in 1955.
Tue Dec 04, 2007 2:19 am
Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:59 pm
It is an Australian variety, and why would you think this is
significant??
(There is a Boston street/Port named after it)
Interesting – but probably irrelevant…..
Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:00 am
http://www.famousamericans.net/horacemann/
Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:14 pm
Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:30 pm
insatiable
Black Falcon Terminal I think is what you’re talking about…..other side of the city. I didn’t know that bird was a falcon, I assumed it was a hawk….I wish it were an eagle.
No, the eagle is in Image 12 (presumed to be Brooklyn – John Paul Jones Park).
Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:07 pm
This is a link to Black Falcon Ave., which shows that it is in South Boston near where “all the letters can be seen.”
Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:42 pm
shecrab
http://www.google.com/maps?q=boston+map≷=US&daddr=Boston,+MA&saddr=1+black+falcon+ave&rl=1&ie=UTF8≪=42.343447,-71.035581&spn=0.014496,0.028324&z=15&om=1
This is a link to Black Falcon Ave., which shows that it is in South Boston near where “all the letters can be seen.”
I know exactly where that is, we sometimes go to the end of the dock to watch planes coming and going from the airport across the water. I can’t give up on Copley so easily but if you find more connections to Southie with the verse and the image I’ll be on board…… and will happily go dig where ever you want me to.
Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:10 pm
Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:23 pm
Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:28 pm
shecrab
I thought that same thing about the claw!! Good eye!!
A few days ago I tried this with the claw but was matching it up with cape cod, not a match. When you talked about South Boston today it got me looking at that area…..where the claw is is Castle Island (the one I mentioned earlier). I never would have noticed it with out your posts.
Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:44 pm
This is really exciting!
Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:53 pm
shecrab
I really think we’re in the right area–and it’s not Copley, like we thought. I think the thing we need to find now is the Green Tower of lights–in or around the Harbor. “Near those who pass the coliseum”–“Those” needs to be pinned down. Whatever “those” is.
This is really exciting!
I have been trying to find anything over there to go with “green tower of lights” all day but can’t find anything, I can’t find anything to match image 11 in southie either, except for the bird claw. The bird claw could be just pointing to boston in genral. I just don’t know. I am still leaning more towards Copley. I hate when something starts out so simple and then gets so complicated, it should work the other way around!
Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:29 pm
bigmattyh
Look at the background behind where she’s standing. The light blue area behind the window extends downwards vertically, behind her body.
I can kinda imagine a keyhole, but the floor molding behind the globe looks like it is suppose to be there making it just that; a window, wall, and a floor. BTW, what are the other two balls? Planets? They are not globes. Otherwise they would also be resting in a whatchamcallit, a globe holder. I’m curious as to what the one on our right rests upon. Maybe we should be looking at these astrologically.
Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:12 am
Did anyone consider that the BOS on the left sleeve may be the airport code? BOS
Another thing to consider, the right sleeve. What if it says Dr? Doctor or Drive?
Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:07 am
Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:30 am
Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:16 am
Has anyone else noticed that the “window” isn’t actually a circle? It’s a
keyhole
. The woman is standing in front of the long skinny part of it, but you can see enough of it behind her, under her arms, to make it out.
Of course who knows how this translates to the dig site…
Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:27 am
Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:48 am
Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:07 pm
It doesn’t make much sense to have a border around the top round part of the window and not around the bottom.
Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:45 pm
plus all the Facebook pages, there is at least one for every city theory
Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:42 pm
Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:36 pm
Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:46 am
Thrace was north by northeast of Athens. Thucydides and Xenophon are both Athenians. If Thucydides is north of Xenophon then it’s possibly a condition when Thucydides is north of Athens, which is true for the time he was living in exile in Thrace.
If we allow the lamp posts to be a metaphor for exile, then the one lamp post in the fenced off area may be treated as Thucydides. Drawing a north-south line connecting this lamp post to the nearest one, which is at a spot with it’s back to the stairs and faces the water, then if we walk five steps to a spot just inside a small gate that looks like it’s right across to the SS gate. It’s all overgrown from the looks of this image. Whitey, got any updated shots of this little fenced area?
If Thucydides is
North of Xenophon
Take five steps
In the area of his direction –> Lamp post Thucydides
A green tower of lights –> the closest landmark after taking five steps
In the middle section
Near those
Who pass the coliseum
With metal walls
Face the water
Your back to the stairs –> Lamp post Xenophon
Feel at home –> Landlord’s Tale
All the letters
Are here to see –> the SS on the Somerset gate, directly across the street
Eighteenth day
Twelfth hour –> Revere specific hint
Lit by lamplight
In truth, be free. –> walk through the cyclone fence gateway
Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:59 pm
Whitey9457
where did the quote about “Old, antique, rich” etc come from? is that from a part of the book i haven’t seen?
Whitey9457
Except, wasn’t using the names to start at the BPL the only way you got to Charlesgate in the first place?
Whitey9457
there have only been a small handful of people to offer this argument in the past 100+ pages of comments and i think that they are generally the ones that are actually from Boston
See here:
http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/file/fet … et_OCR.pdf
How we got to Charlesgate was that Four21thrasher suggested the Victory Gardens as an interpretation for “all the letters are here to see” (it has alphabetical paths), and Erexere noticed the visual similarity of this nearby structure to the globe in the pic. No-one has come up with a very satisfactory way of getting there from the library, and the library might or might not be the start of any trail, if there is a trail.
I’m pretty sure the Boston theory came long before anyone from Boston did. If there was anyone on the forum from Boston who believed in the 2C the place would have been dug up already.
Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:21 pm
WhiteRabbit
I’m pretty sure the Boston theory came long before anyone from Boston did. If there was anyone on the forum from Boston who believed in the 2C the place would have been dug up already.
you misunderstood my comment and basically went on to make my exact point. all of the people from boston who have commented in here have basically gone on to say that they don’t think that boston is the solution. every single clue tying the image/verse to boston is a real stretch except for the paul revere reference. and I assure you, the location has been dug up. there were at least 3 spots in the 2C location that have been dug up…
Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:32 pm
Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:33 pm
WhiteRabbit
How we got to Charlesgate was that Four21thrasher suggested the Victory Gardens as an interpretation for “all the letters are here to see” (it has alphabetical paths), and Erexere noticed the visual similarity of this nearby structure to the globe in the pic. No-one has come up with a very satisfactory way of getting there from the library, and the library might or might not be the start of any trail, if there is a trail.
i feel like i’m crazy if i’m the only one that sees what a stretch this is. basing the state, city, and dig site on alphabetical trails and a circular structure… if the hypothesis was correct, there would’ve been some type of confirmation by now. As I said, boston is a small city. All of the people from boston who have commented in here have gone on to say that they don’t think it is boston.. and people from boston should be the ones who are trying to make it fit to boston because of course we want to find a casque in our city.
still looking for a single clue in the image that connects this to boston except for circular/spherical objects which can be found in every city and every state. both of the images that have been solved have held the clues to locate the city/state.
at this point i realize i’m on my own with looking for another solution… I do believe that this verse is possibly tied to boston… I am not convinced that the image has any connection to boston at all and so the verse and the image may be mismatched.
Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:55 pm
Recently the new member treetops took the time to investigate my proposed location in San Francisco. I’m very glad for the first hand look and opinions. He reported his findings in an honest manner without any foolish commentary. I really appreciated that since its a very classy and mature way to approach these difficult puzzles where we can benefit from taking a good hard look at each others ideas. I really hoped to learn the approximate age of some trees nearest where I think that casque is buried because my theory involves a specific set of branches as being used as a 45 degree visual reference to the arms of the woman in the image. Treetops reported being unable to count the rings on an adjacent tree stump because it had mold or lichens growing on it. All I’m concerned with is checking the facts. Can the lichens be scraped off? I intend to count t those rings someday. I think a nice broad chisel will work and some mineral oil to brighten the contrast. Its easy to look at a small set of trees and think they arent old enough, but if they were there at the time these were buried, and Preiss hoped for the to be found within a short period of time then using some established tree contours shouldn’t be out of the question.
In the Boston prospects there are also some things which may have changed over time, such as the gate of the Somerset, it could benew, and the old letters and ironwork of the past mightve been a better match to the illustration. The cyclone fence may ave been replaced or not even been there 32 years ago. There some facts we may never know, and most of the clues might be less than perfect. It is a real puzzler of chance and tenacity.
Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:17 pm
Eighteenth day
Twelfth hour
Lit by lamplight
And by elimination, the image is almost certainly P11.
P1: Strong ties to San Francisco
P2: Definitely Charleston
P3: Definitely Roanoke
P4: Cleveland (proved)
P5: Chicago (proved)
P6: Strong ties to St. Augustine
P7: Strong ties to New Orleans
P8: Definitely Houston
P9: ?
P10: Definitely Milwaukee
P11:
P12: ?
The question isn’t “is there a casque in Boston?” It is “which image goes with the casque that is almost certainly in Boston?” It must be P9, P11, or P12, and the most plausible choice seems to be P11.
But I see your point – maybe we ought to think outside the casque a bit. P9 looks more Italian than Dutch, and P11 looks more Dutch than Italian. I wonder…
Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:34 pm
I am not trying to be harsh, and sorry if it comes across that way. I am just trying to explain that a new person should not shoot down years of research if he or she has not read the rest of the research. I welcome Whitey, and I am glad that he is so eager to dig, but saying “I don’t think there is a treasure in Boston” is not too helpful to anyone. 😉
Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:40 pm
Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:42 pm
Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:04 pm
forest_blight
P9: ?
P12: ?
But I see your point – maybe we ought to think outside the casque a bit. P9 looks more Italian than Dutch, and P11 looks more Dutch than Italian. I wonder…
I think this is very conservative considering the strong (“strong” also being conservative) evidence for Montreal and New York.
Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:18 pm
Merlot
I think this is very conservative considering the strong (“strong” also being conservative) evidence for Montreal and New York.
I grant you that. But if you look at P9 and P11 with fresh eyes, would you have guessed “Dutch” and “Italian” (respectively) for these two? I would not have. Not with the same certainty I would have chosen “Chinese” for P1, “African” for P2, “Greek” for P4, etc.
Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:02 pm
“All the letters Are here to see”
Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:44 pm
Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:54 pm
Egbert
I think the problem that Whitey is having, is that he has not read anything about any of the other Images or Verses. So, he has no idea about the other definitive Image-Verse matches. In addition to what FB just posted – that one of the Verses points to Boston – I would also point out that there are strong latitude/longitude confirmers for Boston in Image 11. Boston’s official lat/lon is 42.3581 x 71.0636. The numbers 41, 42, 43, 70, 71, and 72 can all be found in the Image. Also, Boston is a port city, and if I had to pick 12 popular port cities that are connected to immigration, Boston would certainly be one of them. My guess is that Whitey does not even know about the port city/immigration theme either. Not sure why everyone is jumping around to try to “prove” years of research to someone new, who has only read about 1/20th of the research.
I am not trying to be harsh, and sorry if it comes across that way. I am just trying to explain that a new person should not shoot down years of research if he or she has not read the rest of the research. I welcome Whitey, and I am glad that he is so eager to dig, but saying “I don’t think there is a treasure in Boston” is not too helpful to anyone. 😉
I completely understand what you mean and I am trying to be very careful not to upset anyone that has been working on this for years… Honestly, I am not taking it lightly when I say these things… but on the flip-side, if you’ve been looking for clues in the same place without finding anything concrete… maybe a new angle should be looked at. Years of research and very little to show for it it seems… Often, it looks like people are simply finding clues to support their conclusion (Boston) instead of looking at the clues themselves and seeing where they lead. If you think the conclusion is Boston, and then you see some globe/sphere/circle, you might use that as support for why it is Boston but really you could find that clue to lead you to anywhere…
Also, after reading 100+ pages of comments people are very afraid to disagree with anyone on this board no matter how ridiculous some ideas are and I honestly think that it just hurts the chances of finding a casque.
I don’t think I ever said that I don’t think there is one in Boston. I am almost certain that the verse in question is a reference to Boston. And after reading the non-verse/image parts of the book, I have seen numerous references to Boston and Massachusetts which helps the case as well. I just don’t think the image in question belongs to Boston… but you’re definitely right that I need to start looking at the other images/verses more. I just think too many people started on this hunt assuming that the verse/image were paired up correctly and I really believe that if that were true, we would’ve found something more clear in the image by now.
Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:00 pm
rookhunter
We should agree on a spot so maybe Whitey can dig there (come warmer weather).
I’m pretty sure that most people have agreed on a spot and I plan to dig there once the ground thaws… but it’ll probably be the only time I dig somewhere just for the sake of the group/board and after that, I will need to believe that that’s the spot before I start digging
Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:13 pm
Egbert
I think the problem that Whitey is having, is that he has not read anything about any of the other Images or Verses. So, he has no idea about the other definitive Image-Verse matches. In addition to what FB just posted – that one of the Verses points to Boston – I would also point out that there are strong latitude/longitude confirmers for Boston in Image 11. Boston’s official lat/lon is 42.3581 x 71.0636. The numbers 41, 42, 43, 70, 71, and 72 can all be found in the Image. Also, Boston is a port city, and if I had to pick 12 popular port cities that are connected to immigration, Boston would certainly be one of them. My guess is that Whitey does not even know about the port city/immigration theme either. Not sure why everyone is jumping around to try to “prove” years of research to someone new, who has only read about 1/20th of the research.
I am not trying to be harsh, and sorry if it comes across that way. I am just trying to explain that a new person should not shoot down years of research if he or she has not read the rest of the research. I welcome Whitey, and I am glad that he is so eager to dig, but saying “I don’t think there is a treasure in Boston” is not too helpful to anyone. 😉
and my guess is that they’re “jumping around to try to prove” it to me because I’m the one in boston that is willing to dig. I just want to believe the spot i’m digging might be where the treasure is and I don’t just want to be the guy who is digging somewhere and taking risks just because some people told me to. that wouldn’t be a very rewarding treasure to me even if i ended up finding it.
Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:18 pm
Egbert
Also, if you look at an overview of Boston’s harbor in Google Maps, there are many places which look like the strands in the woman’s hair (both left and right).
i have some trouble seeing this but keep in mind that if anywhere in Boston has changed more than any other part, I would guess that it’s the harbor so maybe it looked more convincing in the 80s
Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:24 pm
Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:48 pm
forest_blight
I grant you that. But if you look at P9 and P11 with fresh eyes, would you have guessed “Dutch” and “Italian” (respectively) for these two? I would not have. Not with the same certainty I would have chosen “Chinese” for P1, “African” for P2, “Greek” for P4, etc.
I will say that at first glance, P9 looks clearly Dutch to me but P11 doesn’t look clearly anything except maybe Celtic or something.
Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:39 pm
mysteriousnesss
It’s been a while since I posted on here but I thought I’d offer up something small that I noticed the other day. Everyone seems to wonder why there are no landmarks noticeable in the Boston image whereas the Chicago and Cleveland images each had at least one. What about this for a match?
You mean all the cell phone antennas on that tower? Lets think about that for a moment.
Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:12 pm
Tue Dec 24, 2013 7:10 pm
Whitey9457
i’ll also be in NYC for a few days coming up so I’ve been trying to set aside time to catch up on the NYC hunt
cool take a cam, if your in brooklyn at prospect pk get lots of img,would be great
you can Gwalk the pk now
http://goo.gl/maps/UFIKA
the last 2 pgs has a discussion about it
http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/i … ic=754.780
have fun
Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:16 am
BINGO
Everyone has their theories and few are universally accepted. I’m ok with that. I’m just interested in seeing if there is any meat on this bone.
I’m with you there, except calling them the greek casque or the Irish casque, is making huge assumptions.
For all you know the Irish casque is actually the Illniwek or the Illinois, or even the kickapoo casque…
Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:50 am
maltedfalcon
I’m with you there, except calling them the greek casque or the Irish casque, is making huge assumptions.
For all you know the Irish casque is actually the Illniwek or the Illinois, or even the kickapoo casque…
Ahh, I get it now. You’re not a subscriber to the immigration/LOTJ/gemstone connections in general. If that’s the case, I definitely understand your resistance now. That’s fair.
Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:37 pm
BINGO
Ahh, I get it now. You’re not a subscriber to the immigration/LOTJ/gemstone connections in general. If that’s the case, I definitely understand your resistance now. That’s fair.
That’s true, I think you seriously can ignore the rest of the book.
Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:21 am
WhiteRabbit
…yeah, I do like those stairs and letters. That pump house is definitely worth a closer look. I also like the possibility of a nearby spot beside the fence as the “metal wall”, facing the water, your back to those stairs sideways.
Standing directly at this point, quite a bit lines up –
http://goo.gl/maps/eISaA
. You can even turn directly around and be looking under the bridge with a clear view of the Victory Gardens –
http://goo.gl/maps/Q5w5D
Given the proportions, where the falcon/hawk is grasping seems like a pretty sweet spot.
Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:44 am
a green tower of lights in the sidewalk/street median (middle section)
you can face the water with you back to the stairs
when you do this you can see the victory gardens under the bridge
18th day 12th hour is mass. turnpike I90, where this view is from… remember the old logo
it is lit by lamplight
Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:14 pm
Great Buildings of Boston, A Photographic Guide
by George M. Cushing Jr. and on page 90 is a picture of the William Lindsey house which is now part of Boston University. It doesn’t have all the elements of the castle in image 11 but it does have some. It has the correct crenelation as well as the building to the left of the crenelation but not the tower in the middle or the tower to the right. The address is 225 Bay State Road and it can be seen on Google street views. It is not a perfect match but it is pretty close plus it is in the right area as it seems to be not too far from Copley square. And as an added bonus, according to the text underneath the picture it used to be known as “the Castle”
Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:14 pm
http://flickr.com/photos/wallyg/488088109/
i liked boston university for awhile because of the sphere on the grounds and the eagle that they had there, but that was b4 i got stuck on the commons, with John Hancock’s signature (all the letters are here to see)
lol, not giving it up……..yet
hmmm, i just saw where they have an observatory also……
Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:13 am
Check out the identification tips here:
Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:54 pm
http://www.crocker.com/~bclews/11.jpg
Just kidding…but those lines MAY be important.
Tue Feb 08, 2005 11:48 pm
Tue Feb 08, 2005 5:39 pm
How about James Fenimore Cooper?
http://www.americanwriters.org/writers/cooper.asp
He lived his life in New Jersey and New York, though. However, for those who think this is the Boston pic, he did write a book called “The Leaguer of Boston.”
http://www.oldandsold.com/articles25/cooper-5.shtml
Perhaps one of the verses even contains a snippet from the novel, just like we got from “Pierre” by Herman Melville. I haven’t checked yet.
Tue Feb 08, 2005 7:34 pm
As for whether it’s a falcon or hawk, that’s hard to say. They’re similarly shaped, but falcons are generally smaller. I can’t tell from the picture which category (large or small) this bird would fall into, but if I had to guess one or the other, I’d say hawk.
Beyond that, I don’t see anything in the pic to lock down a particular species.
Matt
Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:20 am
maltedfalcon
I was pretty much under the impression defintley in boston
But so far the best translation I have ever seen is @ the mothers rest park
Woot!
Welcome, mysteriousness! So, where’s your spot? I don’t think you’ll find a person here that doesn’t believe we’re really close.
I’ve always been perplexed by the globes. Because there are 5 of them organized in a zig-zag pattern, there are MANY places to stand from which they align. There are so many in fact, I’d venture to say that while you may see the globes properly aligned at the dig spot, you wouldn’t be able to find the dig spot by aligning the globes alone.
I like your bus route interpretation… After several years, what made it dawn on you?
I’ve done a bit of “work” on the Ipswich St. intersection there at Charlesgate. When doing so, I always interpreted the train to be “with metal walls,” and interpreted separately from “near those who pass the coliseum.” After all, you are already near those who pass the coliseum, why would BP waste the next line expounding? I was unable to reconcile “your back to the stairs” at any point on the tracks nearby. I gave up.
Have you looked around under the middle of the overpass between the two support walls? I know there used to be some lamps that hung underneath the road (until some construction), and I’d wondered if they were still there?
Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:09 pm
Durian
I’m not particularly fluent in this puzzle. But for what it’s worth—and after studying the SF image in detail for months—I’m convinced that JJP employed a great deal of caricature in creating the images—and not just of the “people” who are the subjects of each image. I believe real-life objects are often depicted in caricature as well (or in just a piece or pieces of their whole), and very rarely are you going to find a clue as obvious as Chicago’s pixie or tower…
I think this explains why so few exact image matches across the twelve images have been found over the years.
So my feeling is that if something in the image gives you the impression of something from the real world, it is definitely worth exploring. I believe this may well have been JJP’s intent: to give the “feel” or impression of a clue without totally giving away the game visually. Presenting items in caricature, shadowy slivers, or in pieces of the whole are all viable methods for accomplishing this.
So yes, I’d say subtle similarities between objects in the image and objects in real life are definitely worth exploring as matches. Put enough of these subtle similarities together in a small geographic area that relates to the verses, and you may well be on the right track to finding the casque…
Just my two cents.
I can see some of that. In some cases, the caricatures are overt (Chicago, Montreal), but others are subtle. I’m not sure if it’s to the level you are attributing, but I see your point. I do agree on the point that if your gut or spidey-senses are tingling, then it deserves more inspection.
Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:18 pm
Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:47 pm
gManTexas
Image 5, and 4 for that matter, were not “solved”. The casques were found. Neither of the sets of guys actually figured out the entire puzzle. And, for what it is worth, those puzzles were two of the easiest ones. In the case of Chicago, had they said, “that guy looks a bit like Grant or Lincoln”, it might have gotten them there sooner.
Ok, I generally disagree with most of the above statement. But, I’ll play along.
If the Columbus statue truly is the inspiration for Dolly, Pandora, Erin, etc., how does it help solve the puzzle for Boston?Almost everyone who thinks that the statue matches wants to start their search from the BPL. Why not start at the statue? Very few, if any, “solves” include visiting the statue at all. Many people believe the Kelleher Rose garden is also a match for the image. Almost no one starts or finishes there either.
Why do the people who believe in this statue so much tend not to use it in their solutions? If it truly is a match, why is it so unimportant?
To me, it doesn’t look anything like the image. That’s my opinion and I respect the others who disagree. I’m always looking for reasons to put the casque in the North End of Boston, but this statue just doesn’t help with a good unbiased solution in that area.
Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:53 pm
BINGO
Ok, I generally disagree with most of the above statement. But, I’ll play along.
If the Columbus statue truly is the inspiration for Dolly, Pandora, Erin, etc., how does it help solve the puzzle for Boston?Almost everyone who thinks that the statue matches wants to start their search from the BPL. Why not start at the statue? Very few, if any, “solves” include visiting the statue at all. Many people believe the Kelleher Rose garden is also a match for the image. Almost no one starts or finishes there either.
Why do the people who believe in this statue so much tend not to use it in their solutions? If it truly is a match, why is it so unimportant?
To me, it doesn’t look anything like the image. That’s my opinion and I respect the others who disagree. I’m always looking for reasons to put the casque in the North End of Boston, but this statue just doesn’t help with a good unbiased solution in that area.
Just my opinion, there needed to be an Italian connection. Personally, when I think of Boston, I don’t immediately think Italian, but either way, BP painted himself into a corner with the narrative in the book.
If you live outside of Boston, what would be the most recognizable Italian connection? Probably Columbus.
None of this means that we have to start at the statue, or even really include it in the hunt.
Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:33 am
We have people comparing the person in:
Image 1 to the sphinx statues in GGP.
Image 5 to Grant and or Lincoln.
Image 9 to John Macdonald.
Image 10 to the lions on the bridge in Lake Park.
Image 12 to the Statue of Liberty.
There seems to be subtle similarities in each case. How much of a match is necessary to say yes, that’s it!
Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:51 am
gManTexas
How similar should the match be to an object or painting? As far as I can tell, none of the other people in the Images are an exact match to something.
We have people comparing the person in:
Image 1 to the sphinx statues in GGP.
Image 5 to Grant and or Lincoln.
Image 9 to John Macdonald.
Image 10 to the lions on the bridge in Lake Park.
Image 12 to the Statue of Liberty.
There seems to be subtle similarities in each case. How much of a match is necessary to say yes, that’s it!
My point exactly. Image 5 was solved. How much did the similarity or lack therof to Grant (or Lincoln?) help that puzzle? How many of the others have helped their respective puzzle solutions? I’m pretty sure the answer is the same.
I hear plenty of people complain about the Statue of Liberty not being a good match. I challenge you to try my method with it. Show a bunch of people ( who know nothing of the secret) that image and have them tell you what it looks like. I would be willing to bet that the results are the exact opposite of what I have found with the Columbus Statue. Near 100% will tell you it is lady liberty.
People love to pick out the differences with the legeater. This is preposterous.
My point to all of this is simple. If you want a good idea if an image match is for real, ask people who have no skin in the game. They haven’t been influenced by the wiki or someone telling them what it should be. They also don’t have solves that they are ruthlessly trying to protect the integrity of.
Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:22 pm
gManTexas
Just my opinion, there needed to be an Italian connection. Personally, when I think of Boston, I don’t immediately think Italian, but either way, BP painted himself into a corner with the narrative in the book.
If you live outside of Boston, what would be the most recognizable Italian connection? Probably Columbus.
None of this means that we have to start at the statue, or even really include it in the hunt.
If I lived outside of Boston I would never link Columbus to Boston or to Italian. We aren’t really taught in school that Columbus came to Boston specifically, so for many, there would be no connection. Most wouldn’t even think there would be a statue of him here, until they stumble upon it.
The most Italian connection to Boston is the North End
Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:23 am
dosethree
For me (I have visited this in person) The nose look very close and confirms it for me. The mouth is also close, especially the corners. And they both feature similar prominent cheek bones. The eyes and the eyebrows look reasonably close as well.
One other item I failed to mention before. The face and its features are actually difficult to see in person. The head is pretty high in the air and at an awkward angle when viewing it from the ground. I am 6’1” and the full features are hard for me to see from the ground.
I have actually climbed up on the base to get a better look. I also find the best view of the face comes from taking a picture while holding my phone above my head. To me, the view from any of those angles just doesn’t look similar. Just my $0.02.
There is no bigger fan of the North End than me. I actually want to see the similarity.
Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:27 am
BINGO
My point exactly. Image 5 was solved. How much did the similarity or lack therof to Grant (or Lincoln?) help that puzzle? How many of the others have helped their respective puzzle solutions? I’m pretty sure the answer is the same.
I hear plenty of people complain about the Statue of Liberty not being a good match. I challenge you to try my method with it. Show a bunch of people ( who know nothing of the secret) that image and have them tell you what it looks like. I would be willing to bet that the results are the exact opposite of what I have found with the Columbus Statue. Near 100% will tell you it is lady liberty.
People love to pick out the differences with the legeater. This is preposterous.
My point to all of this is simple. If you want a good idea if an image match is for real, ask people who have no skin in the game. They haven’t been influenced by the wiki or someone telling them what it should be. They also don’t have solves that they are ruthlessly trying to protect the integrity of.
I agree with most of your points, but let’s show any of the other images besides NY to someone with no skin in the game and they wouldn’t be able to place them. The area that it corresponds to is relevant, but I don’t believe there are any exact matches. Some of the “people” in the images actually appear to be an amalgamation of several references. Notice that I am only focused on the Images with main character people in them, not the legeater, or the bowman, etc. The primary figures in the images are more subtle.
Image 5, and 4 for that matter, were not “solved”. The casques were found. Neither of the sets of guys actually figured out the entire puzzle. And, for what it is worth, those puzzles were two of the easiest ones. In the case of Chicago, had they said, “that guy looks a bit like Grant or Lincoln”, it might have gotten them there sooner.
Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:30 pm
gManTexas
If you live outside of Boston, what would be the most recognizable Italian connection? Probably Columbus.
I would say the North End in general. More specifically North Square. People who ain’t from heyah call it “Little Italy”.
Far more popular and well known than the Columbus Statue. There is even a Wikipedia page for it.
Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:32 pm
BINGO
Or Prince Spaghetti
Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:03 pm
strike13
Or Prince Spaghetti
Only on Wednesdays.
Bingo – I’m not saying that the casque couldn’t be in the North End. It is more difficult to look at the woman in the Image and say, “that looks like Little Italy” though.
Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:01 pm
gManTexas
Only on Wednesdays.
Bingo – I’m not saying that the casque couldn’t be in the North End. It is more difficult to look at the woman in the Image and say, “that looks like Little Italy” though.
I completely understand that. Personally, I have the same difficulty saying that it looks like the Columbus Statue.
It’s simply a matter of personal opinion. Nothing more.
Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:36 pm
Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:56 pm
mysteriousnesss
It’s probably nothing but since the North End was brought up again I figured I’d share it. It’s the sign from a restaurant that got converted to condos a while back. The signs still there but it’s missing a lot of the letters. It looks somewhat similar to the pattern on the front of her dress. Hopefully someone hasn’t already mentioned this but I couldn’t find it through the search function.
Love the E on the sign. I’m not sure how I’ve missed that all this time. Oh well, one more field trip to go on.
Thanks for sharing the pic.
Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:35 pm
BINGO
Love the E on the sign. I’m not sure how I’ve missed that all this time. Oh well, one more field trip to go on.
Thanks for sharing the pic.
And riiiiiight across the street is this……also grass patch there
https://imgur.com/a/Y01lCxw
Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:04 pm
strike13
Chicago didn’t. It wasn’t exactly at the fence post but further away by some arbitrary landmark like a tree that has now been razed.
In fact, it was so inexact that the solvers dug for a year before finding it
Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:29 pm
gManTexas
I looked.
Anyway, I want to believe that Dolly looks pregnant in the Image. That would seal the deal for me.
Hahaha Dolly… that’s right, you said that a while back. Another part of the n end rabbit hole was this…me thinking the bird’s raised foot matched Paul’s horse.
https://imgur.com/a/jc2O1
Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:45 am
BINGO
So, if anyone has an idea or area that they would like investigated, I’m at your disposal. I have digging tools stashed all around the city and good relationships already built with the Police department and the DCR (parks dept). I will dig holes, probe or just take pictures if you like.
I challenge you all to change my mind about this IMAGE.
It’s a great offer Bingo, thanks.
I think it’s possible that the images contain clues in small details which might not have been seen yet, especially when you consider the size of the originals.
For instance I was just looking at the fairy’s wing in the book, where I’d always thought there was a pattern of four dots, but I’m now wondering if it’s an “X”.
I’ll see if I can get another scan of the page in case it offers any different perspectives.
Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:00 am
Something that has made me wonder about a possible X and T connection in the image is the two rectangles on each side of the woman. Both rectangles have 9 boxes inside of them that look similar to a Rubik’s cube. The left side has dots in the boxes that if connected create a lower case t. The right side has dots in the boxes that when connected form an x.
Nothing earth shattering, just similar to what WR had just mentioned.
Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:55 pm
I still really want to check out Mother’s Rest and the North Square Park. Wish there were images from the 80s of those areas.
In the meantime, I’ll book a ticket to Dollywood.
Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:47 pm
BINGO
Speaking of connecting dots.
Something that has made me wonder about a possible X and T connection in the image is the two rectangles on each side of the woman. Both rectangles have 9 boxes inside of them that look similar to a Rubik’s cube. The left side has dots in the boxes that if connected create a lower case t. The right side has dots in the boxes that when connected form an x.
Nothing earth shattering, just similar to what WR had just mentioned.
If Thucydides is
North of Xenophon
Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:58 am
I hate to admit it, but I think I fall into the same category as all of the other hunters that are local to Boston. Other than the long/lat numbers and the general shape of the Rose Garden that point to Boston in this image, I can’t get on board with any of the findings throughout this thread. Nothing is a solid lock in my opinion. Nothing comes close to the quality of the known “visual confirmers” that are present in the other images. Anyone who thinks otherwise is trying too hard to make a similarity into actual hard visual evidence.
One might think that I am a newbie and that I don’t understand or respect the work that has been put into this puzzle. This is far from the truth. I am a land surveyor and in 2013, I was contracted to do a complete topographic survey of the Charlesgate area including the roadways, walkways, buildings, muddy river and the famous 2C structure. NO ONE has a fraction of time that I have invested into the 2C area. It was then, while conducting the survey, that a Longwood police officer told me about the “treasure hunt”. It’s been a fascination of mine since that day.
That being said, I have no plans on giving up the hunt in Boston. I believe a casque is here and I want to do what I can to help find it. I work in and around the city every day. For almost 5 years, I have looked at every metal railing, set of steps, read every plaque and analyzed every statue that I walk by. I’ve found that I do this wherever I go, not just in Boston. I can’t help it and I can’t stop myself.
So, if anyone has an idea or area that they would like investigated, I’m at your disposal. I have digging tools stashed all around the city and good relationships already built with the Police department and the DCR (parks dept). I will dig holes, probe or just take pictures if you like.
I challenge you all to change my mind about this IMAGE.
Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:22 am
BINGO
I finally finished reading all 130+ pages of this thread.
I hate to admit it, but I think I fall into the same category as all of the other hunters that are local to Boston. Other than the long/lat numbers and the general shape of the Rose Garden that point to Boston in this image, I can’t get on board with any of the findings throughout this thread. Nothing is a solid lock in my opinion. Nothing comes close to the quality of the known “visual confirmers” that are present in the other images. Anyone who thinks otherwise is trying too hard to make a similarity into actual hard visual evidence.
One might think that I am a newbie and that I don’t understand or respect the work that has been put into this puzzle. This is far from the truth. I am a land surveyor and in 2013, I was contracted to do a complete topographic survey of the Charlesgate area including the roadways, walkways, buildings, muddy river and the famous 2C structure. NO ONE has a fraction of time that I have invested into the 2C area. It was then, while conducting the survey, that a Longwood police officer told me about the “treasure hunt”. It’s been a fascination of mine since that day.
That being said, I have no plans on giving up the hunt in Boston. I believe a casque is here and I want to do what I can to help find it. I work in and around the city every day. For almost 5 years, I have looked at every metal railing, set of steps, read every plaque and analyzed every statue that I walk by. I’ve found that I do this wherever I go, not just in Boston. I can’t help it and I can’t stop myself.
So, if anyone has an idea or area that they would like investigated, I’m at your disposal. I have digging tools stashed all around the city and good relationships already built with the Police department and the DCR (parks dept). I will dig holes, probe or just take pictures if you like.
I challenge you all to change my mind about this IMAGE.
Thanks for your efforts! Keep up the good hunt.
Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:27 pm
WhiteRabbit
It’s a great offer Bingo, thanks.
I think it’s possible that the images contain clues in small details which might not have been seen yet, especially when you consider the size of the originals.
For instance I was just looking at the fairy’s wing in the book, where I’d always thought there was a pattern of four dots, but I’m now wondering if it’s an “X”.
https://i.imgur.com/Nhpu8wp.jpg[/
I’ll see if I can get another scan of the page in case it offers any different perspectives.
i often have wondered the same thing…as the more i look, the more i see fine fine details. i am wondering though, since the book itself was so small, and the photos of the images were in black and white, what would be the purpose to hide all the clues in the original when the book doesn’t even show a fraction of the detail the originals do, nevermind just these colored copies we see online. i love all the details in the paintings of the originals, but i wonder if we are really just meant to be able to use the smaller, black and whites in the book? just one of many random thoughts in my head
Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:47 pm
WhiteRabbit
I think it’s possible that the images contain clues in small details which might not have been seen yet, especially when you consider the size of the originals…
I remember hearing once… on q4t I think, that the dots in NY were meant to be something very specific but JJP said it was almost impossible to make out because the images was sized so small, and the printed colors were slightly different than the painting colors.
Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:49 pm
Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:54 pm
strike13
…the photos of the images were in black and white…the book doesn’t even show a fraction of the detail the originals do…i wonder if we are really just meant to be able to use the smaller, black and whites in the book
…not sure what you mean…? The book is in colour, and the images online are scans of the book.
Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:05 pm
Unknown
Unknown:
…not sure what you mean…?
Neither do I since it is clear from earlier posts that strike13 knows the Images are in color (“Also the claw and the
brightly colored circle
at the top of the bird’s stand are the passthrus under the bridge.”). Maybe s/he is talking about all the other drawings and sketches in the book, which are in black and white?
Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:36 pm
erexere
Just a reminder of how Boston’s Charlesgate area changed between 2007 and 2009. Also I highlighted the Red triangled Citgo sign. I think that landmark is represented by the triangle in the elbow of the woman’s sleeve. Notice the slight location difference between the old green light tower and the new tower.
The location of the old light pole is easily found at the site. It appears that they removed the old light and base and then put a junction box where the base used to be. This allowed them to use the original wiring in conjunction with the new fancier green light. That junction box is located in the brick section of the walkway before it turns to concrete.
Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:39 pm
WhiteRabbit
…not sure what you mean…? The book is in colour, and the images online are scans of the book.
I have read many times on here that the images are in black and white in the book. My mistake if I am mistaken..haha
Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:42 pm
BINGO
The location of the old light pole is easily found at the site. It appears that they removed the old light and base and then put a junction box where the base used to be. This allowed them to use the original wiring in conjunction with the new fancier green light. That junction box is located in the brick section of the walkway before it turns to concrete.
I think, that if it is
anywhere
near the CG, then it is over by where the utility box was, even on the right side of the fence, and not on the side you shouldn’t be on. the fence support posts may for that t object the bird is sitting on
Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:59 pm
strike13
I think, that if it is
anywhere
near the CG, then it is over by where the utility box was, even on the right side of the fence, and not on the side you shouldn’t be on. the fence support posts may for that t object the bird is sitting on
That was an area of my attention for quite some time. If it is there, I will be surprised. I have dug multiple holes in that section on multiple occasions. I also made Swiss cheese out of the area with a utility probe. I found nothing of importance. I still peek over there whenever I’m in the area just to look at things with fresh eyes.
It does appear that someone has had the same theory in the last month or so. The hole in the center of the C’s has been dug out again and it looks like 3-4 holes have been dug by the northern (removed) utility box and light pole as well. Judging from the location of those holes, I’m pretty positive they didn’t find anything…
Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:03 pm
Egbert
There are things in the Image which are not within sight of the treasure, the most notable being the Italian fountain with the lion face and large shell
It might be worth remembering that some of the references in the Litany are relevant to the locations. Eg:
Fairies of England proudly bear
Garnet, crown-jewel of their Queen
Location near Roanoke’s Elizabethan Garden.
The Nymphs of Hellas cherish sweet
Aquamarine, spring-water clear
Peridot of old Italy:
Antique, and olivine, and rich
No known relevance to Boston, but “Antique” has always struck me as a curious word to use.
Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:31 pm
I have to say I agree with you – I’m not completely sold on Boston by just the image alone. I lived in Boston for 5 years (in Kenmore Square) and nothing from the image looks familiar. Each of the other paintings that has been solved (Chicago, Cleveland) or are close to being solved (St Augustine) has very clearly seen landmarks or icons – the water tower, the shape of Florida, the Cleveland Tower, etc. Where in this painting is there anything that leads us to Boston?
The one thing that sticks out from the podcasts was that when you see the clue, it is almost an exact match – there is no question. And you also didn’t need to read too much into the poems – once you’re at the right spot, it all just makes sense.
Maybe Preiss wanted to use the poem to get us to Boston? There’s more evidence there: 1) Paul Revere’s ride but even that is obscure . 2) If X is north of T – but you’d have to know the Walpole letters to figure that out and this was all before the internet. Did he expect the readers to know this? Did he want us to do this much research, go to libraries, etc? Again, no internet so how did he want us to solve them?
Ugh – sorry – just so frustrated! If only there was one really clear symbol or icon in the painting that screamed Boston! I’ve even researched Plymouth, Provincetown, Manchester NH and Keene NH looking for landmarks, shapes, icons, etc. It’s all been fun but maddening! (I researched Plymouth because he mentions it in the book like he did with the Fountain of Youth which I thought was interesting.)
Oh and you can buy the book on Amazon now!
Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:47 pm
Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:54 pm
Haarstick
Bingo –
I have to say I agree with you – I’m not completely sold on Boston by just the image alone. I lived in Boston for 5 years (in Kenmore Square) and nothing from the image looks familiar. Each of the other paintings that has been solved (Chicago, Cleveland) or are close to being solved (St Augustine) has very clearly seen landmarks or icons – the water tower, the shape of Florida, the Cleveland Tower, etc. Where in this painting is there anything that leads us to Boston?
The one thing that sticks out from the podcasts was that when you see the clue, it is almost an exact match – there is no question. And you also didn’t need to read too much into the poems – once you’re at the right spot, it all just makes sense.
Maybe Preiss wanted to use the poem to get us to Boston? There’s more evidence there: 1) Paul Revere’s ride but even that is obscure . 2) If X is north of T – but you’d have to know the Walpole letters to figure that out and this was all before the internet. Did he expect the readers to know this? Did he want us to do this much research, go to libraries, etc? Again, no internet so how did he want us to solve them?
Ugh – sorry – just so frustrated! If only there was one really clear symbol or icon in the painting that screamed Boston! I’ve even researched Plymouth, Provincetown, Manchester NH and Keene NH looking for landmarks, shapes, icons, etc. It’s all been fun but maddening! (I researched Plymouth because he mentions it in the book like he did with the Fountain of Youth which I thought was interesting.)
Oh and you can buy the book on Amazon now!
Same here. I’ve lived in the city for 20 yrs…in the north end. I’ve been looking at this for a while now. I also so badly wanted it to be in the north end, with the italian immigrant connection…as well as what looks like the wharfs in her hair. Why don’t we say “wharves” haha. Anyway, i also do not see anything that screams boston.
..but there must be something we are missing
Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:01 pm
erexere
I don’t think it’s at next to the light and boxes. I am tempted to make a claim that this is solved just to keep the trolls happy. Standby. I’ll PM Bingo.
The suspense!
Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:18 pm
Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:53 pm
Haarstick
I was convinced it was in the little park across from Paul revere’s house in the North End for a while – start at the library, walk up through Boston Common (kind of the shape of her skirt front) and head towards his house following the Freedom Trail? The North star in the painting, all the letters here to see (the plaque in the sidewalk with the alphabet), near those who pass the coliseum (the park right across from Paul Revere’s house is right over Sumner Tunnel that goes to TD Garden – right?), a green tower of lights (right behind the park), the street is called Moon Street (there’s a moon in the painting), scroll work in one of the buildings is similar to her dress, it’s right on the Freedom Trail, etc. I even thought maybe the church across from his house had something to do with it. Did you see these clues as well or am I crazy?
I definitely see what you are saying. I never thought of Moon St. for moon though, I like it. I noticed the scrollwork in the building in North Sq…but then again I notice that same scrollwork in a lot of buildings around the city. I am in North Sq every day with my dog…and have been constantly looking for things that could fit with this area. Where is the plaque in the sidewalk w the alphabet and why have I missed it haha! Yeah North sq is pretty much right over the tunnel too. When you say park , do you mean north sq? the cobblestone park w the circular flowerbed in the middle? You’re not crazy, I see these things too
Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:06 pm
Here are the parts related to the hunt.
The main access road is named after Dominic Bianculli who died in 1980. Possible Italian connection.
The Boston Globe is directly across the street.
Would you believe that there is an impressive castle located just a few hundred yards away from the Boston Globe and in the center of the Umass campus?
https://flic.kr/p/GbS9Ko
The picture doesn’t do this building justice.
There are close to 100 light poles all over the campus that look like this.
https://flic.kr/p/21yHrSo
There are multiple sets of staircases that lead to the water. (Some even have 5 steps).
The Hancock tower and the Prudential building can be seen from almost anywhere on campus.
https://flic.kr/p/23eR695
The Massachusetts Archives building and the JFK Library (a newly opened landmark at the time) share a parking lot and are located on campus. (Plenty of letters to see here.)
Speaking of letters and parking lots, Umass is a commuter college so there are no dorms on campus. Tons of parking lots that are identified by letters. Lot A, Lot B, etc.
Being next to the ocean, the campus is pestered by birds of all kinds. Geese, nesting hawks, currently a pair of snow owls, and tons of seagulls. It gets so bad, the campus maintenance has to put out foam decoy foxes is order to keep the birds away from student common areas. (A connection to the damn bird?)
Logan Airport runways and castle island (bird claw in the image) are viewable across the bay.
It was an exciting run, but with all of that circumstantial evidence, not a single “visual confirmer” could be found. I wanted it badly, and convinced myself that things lined up. They just don’t.
Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:13 pm
BINGO
It was an exciting run, but with all of that circumstantial evidence, not a single “visual confirmer” could be found. I wanted it badly, and convinced myself that things lined up. They just don’t.
This is true of many of the Images IMHO. I think the two puzzles that have been solved probably have the strongest visual clues. This is possibly by design, so people would find the casques quickly to prove this was no hoax. I have been beating my head against the San Francisco puzzle and there’s not much in the Image to go off. Maybe generally, but someone please show me a Giant pole and Giant step!
Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:36 pm
Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:37 pm
drunknerds
I tried roaming Golden Gate Park, asking people to show me a giant pole. Now I have my own Secret
Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:40 pm
gManTexas
Could it be these stairs, which I believe are still present?
http://olmsted.nonprofitsoapbox.com/sto … _image.jpg
gMan, I just ran into your post on a search today. I’ve been looking at Boston research for the last few days and can’t believe how much incredible research has been done all these years. I just wish I would have known about “The Secret” when I was in Boston for Christmas week.
I like the idea of down the stairs at Mother’s Rest by the Boylston St Bridge. Face the water with your back to the stairs sure sounds like you’d feel at home in Mother’s Rest. But I look at the numbers 18 and 12 like this. The 12 is representing North and depending just how close that bridge is (and I can’t tell from what I’ve seen) to the stairs, you take 18 paces to the North. That street light (lamp light) on the bridge will show you the area to target depending on the shadow. But what might make that more difficult is the maturity of the trees/bushes in that area today. Would be targeting over near that graffiti on the bridge in this photo:
https://www2.bing.com/images/search?vie … ajaxhist=0
What really caught my attention today was when looking down at the monument, you can clearly see how the shape of the pavers that create the overall monument area including the benches and curb are identical to Erin’s hair in Image 11.
The emerald being held by the fairy could indicate that the casque is located to the North of her hair, when read in conjunction with the Verse.
https://www2.bing.com/images/search?vie … ajaxhist=0
Have some of the Boston Searchers dug over by this area of the Boylston Bridge?
Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:49 pm
– “Eighteenth day twelfth hour lit by lamplight” (meant to be a general clue to Paul Revere?)
– “If X is north of T” (start at Boston Public Library)
– “In the area of his direction” it seems from the other puzzles, Preiss wanted people to walk and explore (the Chicago clues took you straight down one road until you found more clues which were “M and B are etched in stone” – you were then supposed to wander in search of more clues) – walking towards Paul Revere’s house would take you through the Boston Common and onto the Freedom Trail (“in truth be free” hint?)
– “all the letters are here to see” – pass the Latin School at 45 School Street (oldest public school where Ben Franklin went) which has a plaque on the ground with the alphabet
http://bostonlitdistrict.org/venue/site … in-school/
. Here’s the map in Google maps (hope the link works):
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.357805, … 312!8i6656
– the Freedom Trail eventually takes you up to Paul Revere’s House
– “Near those who pass the coliseum with metal walls” – his house is right over the Sumner Tunnel that goes to TD Garden
– “Take five steps” – if you take five steps out of Paul Revere’s house (5 blocks in the crosswalk?), it take you to the North Square park (a stretch I know)
– “A green tower of lights” – the green building at the top of the park??
– “In the middle section” – the North Square Park??
– the street is called Moon Street (there’s a moon in the painting) – there used to be a bookstore there called Globe Corner Books (globe in the painting)
– “Face the water your back to the stairs” – was there a water fountain in the round flower bed in 1982? – back to the stairs of the brownstone next to the green tower?
– could “all the letters” be reference to the post box that is at the top of the park?
– does the Sacred Heart Italian Church have anything to do with it?
– “in truth be free” – confession? (a massive stretch)
This is all based on the idea that Preiss wanted us to walk around the major sites of Boston – Copley Square up through the Commons and along the Freedom Trail.
But how is the painting tied to Boston at all???
Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:50 pm
MrBackstop
gMan, I just ran into your post on a search today. I’ve been looking at Boston research for the last few days and can’t believe how much incredible research has been done all these years. I just wish I would have known about “The Secret” when I was in Boston for Christmas week.
I like the idea of down the stairs at Mother’s Rest by the Boylston St Bridge. Face the water with your back to the stairs sure sounds like you’d feel at home in Mother’s Rest. But I look at the numbers 18 and 12 like this. The 12 is representing North and depending just how close that bridge is (and I can’t tell from what I’ve seen) to the stairs, you take 18 paces to the North. That street light (lamp light) on the bridge will show you the area to target depending on the shadow. But what might make that more difficult is the maturity of the trees/bushes in that area today. Would be targeting over near that graffiti on the bridge in this photo:
https://www2.bing.com/images/search?vie … ajaxhist=0
What really caught my attention today was when looking down at the monument, you can clearly see how the shape of the pavers that create the overall monument area including the benches and curb are identical to Erin’s hair in Image 11.
The emerald being held by the fairy could indicate that the casque is located to the North of her hair, when read in conjunction with the Verse.
https://www2.bing.com/images/search?vie … ajaxhist=0
Have some of the Boston Searchers dug over by this area of the Boylston Bridge?
I like where you are going with this, however we have to be careful with what we see today. I think the area around the O-Reilly statue has been renovated since 1982. Although, when I proposed my solve, I mentioned stand at the base of the stairs and 18 something, 12 something. It takes being there and looking around. The fact that there a resemblance between the arch of the bridge and the semi circle in Image 11 is enticing. I think when spring comes around, it will be easier for people like Bingo to scout and probe the area.
Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:52 pm
Haarstick
So here’s my bizarre brained logic – the clues aren’t meant to be ready line by line but are usually mixed up a bit with random clues thrown in some odd places so this is out of order:
– “Eighteenth day twelfth hour lit by lamplight” (meant to be a general clue to Paul Revere?)
– “If X is north of T” (start at Boston Public Library)
– “In the area of his direction” it seems from the other puzzles, Preiss wanted people to walk and explore (the Chicago clues took you straight down one road until you found more clues which were “M and B are etched in stone” – you were then supposed to wander in search of more clues) – walking towards Paul Revere’s house would take you through the Boston Common and onto the Freedom Trail (“in truth be free” hint?)
– “all the letters are here to see” – pass the Latin School at 45 School Street (oldest public school where Ben Franklin went) which has a plaque on the ground with the alphabet
http://bostonlitdistrict.org/venue/site … in-school/
. Here’s the map in Google maps (hope the link works):
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.357805, … 312!8i6656
– the Freedom Trail eventually takes you up to Paul Revere’s House
– “Near those who pass the coliseum with metal walls” – his house is right over the Sumner Tunnel that goes to TD Garden
– “Take five steps” – if you take five steps out of Paul Revere’s house (5 blocks in the crosswalk?), it take you to the North Square park (a stretch I know)
– “A green tower of lights” – the green building at the top of the park??
– “In the middle section” – the North Square Park??
– the street is called Moon Street (there’s a moon in the painting) – there used to be a bookstore there called Globe Corner Books (globe in the painting)
– “Face the water your back to the stairs” – was there a water fountain in the round flower bed in 1982? – back to the stairs of the brownstone next to the green tower?
– could “all the letters” be reference to the post box that is at the top of the park?
– does the Sacred Heart Italian Church have anything to do with it?
– “in truth be free” – confession? (a massive stretch)
This is all based on the idea that Preiss wanted us to walk around the major sites of Boston – Copley Square up through the Commons and along the Freedom Trail.
But how is the painting tied to Boston at all???
I like thinking outside the box, but there are actually quite a few visual clues in the image that have been discussed in both the wiki page and here. If you have not seen the wiki, it’s worth a visit.
http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/page/86303044/Image%2011
Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:17 pm
I do like the idea of starting at the library, heading down Boylston to the O’Reilly statue and going behind it to Mother’s Rest but people have been looking for years and haven’t found that one telltale image that lines up. Someone just went to Mother’s Rest and posted some pictures but nothing concrete came of it unfortunately but I still like Back Bay Fens too.
The solved puzzles had that clear piece of evidence – I just wish we had it for Boston.
Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:27 pm
Haarstick
I’ve read everything on Wiki and I like the visual clues but none of them say “this is 100% it” to me. The Chicago Water Tower was 100% – the Cleveland Tower was 100% – even the shape of the state of Florida for St. Augustine – but I just don’t have that a-ha moment with the Boston images. Yes she looks like Columbus but if the casque is in the Back Bay Fens, that statue is really far. And it’s not a recognizable feature of Boston.
I do like the idea of starting at the library, heading down Boylston to the O’Reilly statue and going behind it to Mother’s Rest but people have been looking for years and haven’t found that one telltale image that lines up. Someone just went to Mother’s Rest and posted some pictures but nothing concrete came of it unfortunately but I still like Back Bay Fens too.
The solved puzzles had that clear piece of evidence – I just wish we had it for Boston.
The woman in Image 11 looks like Dolly Parton, not Columbus. But, I digress…
Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:32 pm
Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:36 pm
Haarstick
LOL! True. Maybe it’s at Dollywood.
I looked.
Anyway, I want to believe that Dolly looks pregnant in the Image. That would seal the deal for me.
Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:50 pm
Haarstick
I’ve read everything on Wiki and I like the visual clues but none of them say “this is 100% it” to me. The Chicago Water Tower was 100% – the Cleveland Tower was 100% – even the shape of the state of Florida for St. Augustine – but I just don’t have that a-ha moment with the Boston images. Yes she looks like Columbus but if the casque is in the Back Bay Fens, that statue is really far. And it’s not a recognizable feature of Boston.
I do like the idea of starting at the library, heading down Boylston to the O’Reilly statue and going behind it to Mother’s Rest but people have been looking for years and haven’t found that one telltale image that lines up. Someone just went to Mother’s Rest and posted some pictures but nothing concrete came of it unfortunately but I still like Back Bay Fens too.
The solved puzzles had that clear piece of evidence – I just wish we had it for Boston.
In addition to the clear piece of evidence for the city, i the other two had a clear image depicted of EXACTLY where the casque was. Not saying same goes for all, but one might think so…
Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:12 am
Perhaps Preiss used the Oz theme elsewhere in this treasure hunt…
Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:17 am
you find the casque
have these stairs always been here,IE 80-81,and are they the stairs from the boylston
bridge and fenway intersection
https://foursquare.com/v/mothers-rest-p … cd45ebe364
and when you have the time,could you do a 360 view from standing in the center
of the playarea,would be cool if you could do it in video,and post to youtube,imgs
would be great too,one more thing,a run down on your interpretation from the V
line by line,i think your knowledge of area,will make for a flood of ideas from your
interpretation,and prob get a casque found
thank you
boylston bridge
http://goo.gl/maps/Nfn4z
flash earth MR
http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=42.34561 … 95&src=msl
Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:07 am
We search the Emerald Necklace in order to find a casque.
Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:09 pm
A quote by henry wadsworth longfellow…”resolve, and thou art free”