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Out in the field today on the hunt. I came across this quote last night.
A quote by henry wadsworth longfellow…”resolve, and thou art free”

Interesting that it comes from a scene where Prometheus is talking to his brother Epimetheus after he catches a glimpse of Pandora sneaking out so as not be seen cuddling with her titan beau.
I’ve often wondered if the box in the painting is being portrayed as Pandora’s Box.

erexere

Interesting that it comes from a scene where Prometheus is talking to his brother Epimetheus after he catches a glimpse of Pandora sneaking out so as not be seen cuddling with her titan beau.
I’ve often wondered if the box in the painting is being portrayed as Pandora’s Box.

Now that theory I can get behind, especially since it is on the cover of the book!

erexere

I’ve often wondered if the box in the painting is being portrayed as Pandora’s Box.

With the literary allusions throughout the hunt, I seriously think there is little doubt of it.

I do not know if this has been discussed here yet, but their is a good chance that this window could be a pond in the park or near the casque’s location. The fact that several differant blocks make up the window this could be the blocks around the actual pond.
This clue should this image turn out to be Toronto a similer pond is in High Park. I have looked at websites of High Park and not seen anything that matched or could have matched Verse 3.

Whomever was there this weekend, I hope you got arrested
Just got an e-mail from the park telling me that MA state police responded to a call of someone digging somewhere near the Esplanade.

No honor in digging up someone else’s solve is there? That’s pretty low if that’s what was going on.

It’s also exceedingly dumb, the park is in full cooperation and is on the lookout for this sort of thing now. Like, come on, how stupid do you have to be?

The light from the two lamps could overlap as in a Venn diagram.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a181/ … cf217b.png
Here’s a diagram I devised to illustrate the way I’m breaking down the puzzle.  The final lines say “Lit by lamplight / In truth be free”.  I think this is basically saying 1) Between two lamps, and 2) a point of intersection like a Truth table such that If P is true and Q is true then P^Q is true, the AND statement is basically a Logical intersection.  In this case P is the line connecting the two lamps and Q is the two gates creating a second line which intersects somewhere just inside the fenced in area.  I think this spot must be about five steps from the spot just where the circular wall meets the waters edge and a person can stand facing the water with their back to the stairs exactly as described by the verse.

i found a good picture of that citgo sign. i didn’t realize it was right at fenway park.
was hoping there was a billboard for mama’s cooking at fenway, lol
http://searchwinit.techtarget.com/searc … ay2304.jpg
in truth, be free……………….babe ruth (rhyming)
lolololol, don’t ya’ll wish there was someone here to stop me!

Dirty Water by the Standell’s is the red sox’s victory song
in truth, b. free………..babe ruth is stuck in my head now

that could be a baseball in the oval, like this:
http://prescott.imbri.com/bpmagic/BosFenway/index.shtml
scroll down to see the picture after the article.

angle yourself from the ball in the oval, to that small shiny ball light(in the oval),
would that be on the outside of the park, right side of fenway?

oops that sign is across from the park…so now i’m lost
but since they are across from each other in the picture, it is still around fenley…

Nice find, slaps! Here’s a picture of it:
(corner of Mt. Vernon and Louisburg Sq.)

thanks,  forest_blight
don’t know if this is anything, but if you look at the bird’s claw as an ear, in between the lines, i see a rat with a long body.. so doing my free association with words, rat terrier, boston rat terrier….or it could be a bear (bruin), i would like for it to be a lion like these at the library:
http://jssgallery.org/Essay/BPL/Photo_G … irway.html
but i can’t see a lion.

slappybuns

hey guys i just read that they used to have lamppost mailboxes in boston!! are there any still around? and if so…any in copley square?
!
that would have the letters lit by lamplight!

What a cool idea!!  Nice work!

slappybuns

thanks,  forest_blight
don’t know if this is anything, but if you look at the bird’s claw as an ear, in between the lines, i see a rat with a long body.. so doing my free association with words, rat terrier, boston rat terrier….or it could be a bear (bruin), i would like for it to be a lion like these at the library:

I’ve always seen that part of the image as a cow laying down

LOL…Slappy…you’re really funny. Now you’ve got me looking for socks.
I always thought the strings of hair looked like the map picture of the wharf sections in Boston Harbor. It can’t be matched exactly, but it resembles the wharves.

i know it’s awful, it all seems logical at the time but i don’t think an element of logic ever comes out of it!  i go from food, to socks to baseball!
but i do like that as a baseball in the oval, did you?

slappybuns

in truth, b. free………..babe ruth is stuck in my head now

Babe Ruth was a Yankee!!!!!

boogieman

Babe Ruth was a Yankee!!!!!

not in 1981!!

Trohn

not in 1981!!

And he was a Red Sox first…

You know, your assertations about baseball forced me to reexamine the image with a magnifying glass, and you’ll probably not be surprised at what I found.  Apparently either Preiss or Palencar was a Bosox fan. By magnifying the image and looking very closely, you can clearly see that what we thought was a peridot, was in fact a box containing an autographed souvenir. We can assume that since this was painted prior to 2004, (before the breaking of the Curse,) the Fay was trying to get rid of the embarrassment. At least that’s my take on it.  You’ll have to make up your own minds.

LOL!!! thanks you guys!
i’m just glad someone’s listening
i think i’m about boston’d out. i’m gonna stick with  fenway……………..for now…….
forest_blight could you post that picture of the baseball in the sky for me from this site:
http://prescott.imbri.com/bpmagic/BosFenway/index.shtml
you guys are great!

just this one other thing, since ck brought up the curse…………..
i was thinking of that road sign that the city left up until they won again…where was it located?
it said “reverse the curve” and someone had painted it to say “reverse the curse”
if it’s around fenway park and there’s a lamppost with a mailbox on it close by………………….lol

slappybuns

shseverin11 are you in boston?

No, I’m near NYC.

maybe in the middle section means in the middle of the library, that’s where the courtyard is,  right? i know someone thought of that 30 some pages ago.
maybe that cow
is representing the lions, and maybe her hair(the girl’s)  is representing the lion’s mane and you dig behind the one opposite of the brook’s statue, or to the left of the lamppost.
where are those lions in comparison to the brook’s statue?
those strings of hair have to mean something.
“at home” at the library…would that be fantasy area, mythical (for fairies, trolls), or just where you relax?
and why isn’t there any sign of a sock for red sox? hmm, guys, the design in the tunic could be like the design in argyle socks, lol
http://www.sockbroker.com/argyle3.jpg
so then the “home” could still be baseball, fenway.
is there anything free at fenway? maybe a place where everyone sneaks in? freeway? or just don’t go inside the park.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/r … _for_free/
feel at home….mama’s kitchen..
is there a famous mama’s fried chicken near paul revere’s house?  or fenway or copley?
i guess i said chicken because of the bird’s wing looking like a chicken or turkey.
a mama’s pizza would be better for this picture, right?
even if the mailboxes aren’t on the lampposts anymore, the lamppost would still be there right?
i do go round and round don’t i, lol.
shseverin11 are you in boston?

slappybuns

forest_blight could you post that picture of the baseball in the sky for me…

Sure thing:

I haven’t looked so closely at that fairy wing before.  Is that a four leaf clover shape inside that main wing?
Looks like one of those big freeway loops.

erexere

Is that a four leaf clover shape inside that main wing?

(Dunno, I’ve wondered what that was. There’s something there.)
I haven’t actually seen the pics yet (behind a firewall) but I’m not sure if the bridge clue is a bridge too far. In both the solved verses, the final lines were a kind of step back or overview after they’d already pinpointed the spot as closely as they were going to. The Revere stuff could just be a Boston confirmer. I like “face the water, your back to the stairs” – maybe you can take a visual pointer from there. (Alternatively, the final lines might refer back to the area behind the Museum of Fine Arts, which has connections with Revere, Copley, Longfellow etc…)

shecrab

I like the simplicity of your solution, but I have only one question:
“If Thucydides is NORTH of Xenophon
Take five steps in the AREA OF HIS DIRECTION”….
Why would you take five steps WEST?

Shecrab,
I too think that it means something else.
The pronoun “his” could refer to Thucydides…
and the area of “his” direction could be North.
..as is the “North End” of Boston…where many of the clues seem to lead.
AP

That’s a really straightforward solution.  Good eyes on most the details and couldn’t be simpler.  It’s locked on the verse well, but then when I look at the image I’m not seeing a strong enough connection.  You know my solution hasn’t changed any, but in light of your ideas I might reconsider.  You’re just a couple blocks, maybe less from the spot I proposed.  I went for a more visual matching approach and the “letters for all to see” line of verse sounded good as a reference to an eye chart that would be in an optrician’s office.
Nice work, 421!

I believe this one is like the Cleveland solve… you don’t actually
need
any visual confirmers from the image once you’ve found where to start. They are helpful, but you don’t need them.
For Cleveland, once you got to the Greek Cultural Gardens by using the image to get you to Cleveland and then the first two lines of the verse, you didn’t need to see any more pictures. The directions were clearly spelled out. However, the columns and wall are central in the image and notify you once you are at the exact spot.
For this purposed solve, once you’ve gotten to BPL by using the image to get you to Boston and then the first two lines of the verse, you don’t need to see any more pictures. The directions are clearly spelled out. However, the O’Rielly Memorial so closely resembles the woman and design schema which is central to the image (the never ending line/celtic design – the leaves in the borders being the kicker), you are notified that you are at the exact spot.
It could be easily argued that this applies to the Chicago solve also.

Maybe It’s been wrong to think of BPL as the start of the path.  Where does the picture put us so that we hit on BPL and then connect to the rest of your path?

The first two lines of the verse, just like Chicago and Cleveland. Seemingly, this works for the majority of the image/verse combos. The image only gets you to the city… the first two lines of a verse nail the starting point… if you can match them to a place within that city. You need the verse and the image.
Now that’s brutal.

I’m extremely excited by this idea, thrash. You must be right! Too many pieces fall into place with the verse, and the location is sufficiently secluded to bury a casque. “Feel at home” = “Mother’s Rest” for sure. All the letters… You’ve got it!
But where does X mark the spot? There is a lot of ground to cover. Does anything in P11 help narrow down a spot to dig? If anyone goes there, be sure to compare the stonework in the background of P11 to the side of the bridge, stairs, etc. – maybe an exact spot is indicated that way. Otherwise P11 seems fairly useless.
It is possible that the stonework in the bridge overlooking the park matches
There are some peculiar semi-circular lookouts whose railing bear a resemblance to the stonework in P11.

I like the simplicity of your solution, but I have only one question:
“If Thucydides is NORTH of Xenophon
Take five steps in the AREA OF HIS DIRECTION”….
Why would you take five steps WEST?

Nice one four21thrasher! I’ll take a closer look, but I like this area a lot. It already reminds me of a couple of things, like one of the possible sources of “In truth be free” from the
Ode on Washington’s Birthday
…
Let our land in truth be free,
And no longer Slavery’s curse
Blast the land of Liberty.
On to victory! brothers, on!
Shout the name of Washington.
As well as the Victory Gardens, this ode might tie in with the fairy flying to freedom and its similarity to image 12 and the Statue of Liberty:
I also like its proximity to the Boston Museum of Fine Arts which houses the
George Bernard Shaw portrait
, a possible interpretation for the BPL riddle.
(Five steps from Thucydides in the direction of Xenophon gives you George Bernard Shaw.)
I’m interested in that oval playground at Mother’s Rest…

Astonishing!
Can you do the same close-up work on the box she is holding and the vertical dress piece with a menagerie of design?
I have tried and tried to make sense of those parts and to no avail.  Such a post would be greatly appreciated.
–Johann

I personally like the Charlesgate (area). I think with the proximity of the structures/clues it has a lot going for it.
Xie-why are you sure it’s not here?
Jimmy-what made you dig in that particular spot…that far out from the circular structure? (Why not right up against it, or five paces/steps out from it?) Out of curiosity?

Because I live here and it’s a dump. It’s barely a park. It has absolutely nothing going for it, just a bunch of bad half cocked matches to the verse. It’s a highway on ramp with some green space near it. There is no place to walk, no actual matches to the image except the ‘2C’ which is a total miss and te generic round lampposts which are everywhere in Boston.
Four21thrasher was correct about the park. There is no doubt in my mind of that. There are tons of matches to the image in that very park.

What really compelled me to dig that spot was the depression in the ground like someone had dug there before. It looked like some dug the spot, leveled off the ground, and over time the ground stetted into a depression. Also I was thinking maybe the plexiglass case had caved in causing the depression. It’s 5-6 steps from the wall depending on your stride. Not very convincing, but not enough to discount the spot.
Photo of the depression in the ground
https://www.flickr.com/photos/93936687@N06/11360068744/

Xieish

Because I live here and it’s a dump. It’s barely a park. It has absolutely nothing going for it, just a bunch of bad half cocked matches to the verse. It’s a highway on ramp with some green space near it. There is no place to walk, no actual matches to the image except the ‘2C’ which is a total miss and te generic round lampposts which are everywhere in Boston.
Four21thrasher was correct about the park. There is no doubt in my mind of that. There are tons of matches to the image in that very park.

I’ll give you the experience of being there. That I can relate to, being here. However, was that area always a dump? Or was it in the 80s?
To be fair, even though Lake Park in Milwaukee is a park, the main proposed spot is a patch of grass along the road. And For visuals, what about the three globe type balls (texture included on the posts), and the stone patterns (staggering) in the makeup of the “C”s?
I just think this area has much to be ruled out.

To clarify my previous post about digging, I was not digging on the Esplanade. I personally don’t think it is there (but I obviously don’t know). I’m not trying to beat anyone to the punch by digging up there site. The area that I was digging seems that it was popular a year ago with a lot of people, I still think it’s the correct area even though I came up with nothing but decade old trash. As far as dealing with the State Parks and Recs good luck to you who is dealing with them, I mean that sincerely. The parks and rec guy that showed up the day I was digging said that was a difficult road to navigate! Like someone else said Bureaucracy!!! I really hope your right because if your not, getting them to come out again will not be easy.

If I’m wrong I don’t think they will ever allow digging in this park again, which is toast for anyone else who wants to dig over by the benches, but luckily I don’t think its there.
It’s not at Charlesgate. Please tell me you didn’t waste your time digging under that digsuting underpass. Literally nobody would give that place a second thought if it wasn’t for Google Maps (non matching!!) overhead view that sort of looks almost like the “2C” or “globes” in the painting, but doesn’t actually look like it.

i remember reading that too, 2fast, but when i found shadowrunners account of the solve:
M and B—man and beast STATUE
congress, R— STREET and RR
L sits—-Lincoln STATUE
ten by 13—TREES
fence—FENCE
rumble–TRAIN
brush and music—BAND SHELL?
hush—ummm, be sneaky? lol, i dunno
were the words “man and beast” on the statue?? or was the statue the same as the picture? i’m not clear as to how he found the park.

shecrab

Your joke was lost on me, boogie…I can’t read it.
Seriously–the pic is too small.

I just drew in the words, in different colored letters like yours, “Its under the church” meaning the casque is buried under the church.  I’ve been away for a few days so the funny part of it has faded a bit.  The funny part for me was that it was a pain in the butt to do, but I did laugh my head off after I posted it…

what i did notice on both solves..
the 2nd line was a street.
cleveland:
2 countries–GREECE, ITALY
road curves-MLK ROAD
plot, 10th,  right to left, 9th row, wall,–6 lines describing the WALL
7 steps–7 HOPS
socrates, pindar, apelles–GREEK CULTURAL GARDENS
columns–COLUMNS

just wanted to point out with this picture of the soldiers and sailors monument,
there’s a bench–“feel at home”
and a light–“lit by lamplight”
and Longfellow–Eighteenth day, Twelfth hour”
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/492991515/

and the sailor—“face the water”

thank you forest_blight, i like that better. so the first line:
M and B- –a BUILDING, PLAQUE nearby.
it feeds into my bostom common solve, lol

and couldn’t the Parkman bandstand be the “Greek” reference?
http://www.aviewoncities.com/img/boston/kveus3064p.jpg

oops i meant grandstand, lol

ck i can’t get all into the north end yet, even tho her hair does look like the harbor, i have to get these parks out of my system first.
look what boston common has:
the soldiers and sailors monument:
Between these pedestals are four large bronze reliefs. In the front is “The Departure for the War,” with a regiment marching by the State-House steps, the mounted officers, from left to right, being Colonels Lowell and Shaw, both of whom were killed, Colonel Cass, General B. F. Butler, and Quartermaster-Gen. Reed. On the steps are the Revs. Turner Sargent, A. H. Vinton, Phillips Brooks and Arch-bishop Williams; Governor Andrew, shorter than the others; Wendell Phillips, Mr. Whitmore, the poet
Longfellow,
and others.
look at these gates:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/488 … otostream/
it has a Declaration of Independence Monument….”we hold these
TRUTHS
to be self evident, that all men are created
EQUAL
“
the parkman plaza has : “LEARNING” statue
the brewer fountain has the mythological figures associated with water.
and maybe the 5 could be pertaining to the Boston Massacre Memorial……the killing of 5 demonstrators
maybe the light coming out of the box is just for beacon street………..
here i go again

“feel at home” could be the baseball field also and
John Hancock’s signature could be “all the letters are here to see”
and i’m not sure if thats supposed to be “bandstand or grandstand” for the Parkman thing
when i google earth for the boston common, there’s this great big circular thing to the right of the baseball field, is that the parkman bandstand?
i can’t get a close up but the circle sure looks like our image oval.

slappybuns

what if…thucydides and xenophon just mean “greek”
he used m and b for men and beast…
what if the greek is the “boston athenaean”
http://www.storyofboston.com/articles/b … um_plaque/
http://www.newenglandtravelplanner.com/ … um2583.jpg
http://flickr.com/photos/get_it_while_y … 184558796/

I thought I read that the m and b stood for Mozart and Beethoven, which were etched in stone on a building across the street from the park.

Unknown

Unknown:
i remember reading that too, 2fast, but when i found shadowrunners account of the solve:
M and B—man and beast STATUE

I believe the “man and beast” reference is an early misconception. The sculptures on Congress were never known as “man and beast” – they are called “The Bowman” and “The Spearman”:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indians_(sculpture)
Furthermore, they are not “set in stone,” as they are made of bronze. There is absolutely no logical link between those sculptures and the “M and B” reference.
However, there IS a logical link between “M and B are set in stone” and the names “Mozart” and “Beethoven,” which are very definitely set in stone in the facade of a building very nearby on Michigan Ave.

No takers? What if five steps away was this:

I’ve been doing a lot of verse comparison lately… You know, trying to align the lines from the verses that were solved to the lines of verses unsolved (structure, line segues, layers of interpretation, and use of symbolism or reference, etc.). It’s been enlightening. Without explaining, the Charlesgate area has also grown on me. Here’s an interesting angle, which has way too much more imagery immediately adjacent to be insignificant.

I still agree with your stone alignment but I was thinking of what the stones might be like on the other side.
Have you noticed the kerbstones change length?

Sorry for the delay, it’s been a working weekend I’m afraid. Here are the close-ups of the dress and the box. I included the square icons around her neck and on either side of the dress design; I tried to match them up with nautical flags and I got a few letters but nothing that made sense. I think the left side of the dress spells OWL if you really make it; not all the symbols on the dress are exact matches to the standard nautical flags.

Oh, and I neglected to mention it in my earlier post, but the whole Lizzie Borden affair took place in Fall River Massachussetts. The site is on I-195, not too far from Providence, Rhode Island.
For whatever that might be worth.

Absolutely beautiful!!!  Thank you for all your work.
I thought I was about to find the second casque, but I am no more than “getting close.”  Yet, this endeavor is advanced, but not resolved, by “close.”  I cannot at this time make any sensible interpretation of the close-ups, but we may all be able to find something by way of persistent examination.
Again, golden kudos to you.
–Johann

This one is for Fox.
http://www.copleysquarehotel.com/maps/maps_todo.html
Looking behind (south?) from the BPL.
someone want to line up the ‘castle’ with this image.
Looks good to me.

Trohn, not as an exact match as some of the other buildings depicted in the P’s but I must say that is the best match by far that we have found since.  Hopefully this will quiet the doubters at least momentariliy

There are 4 lamps. The intersection of the lines is a bit near the river though.

Two possible “confirmers” in P11:
1. An old theory of mine is that the following part of our girls’ clothing represents the letters “AA”:
So I thought, if this is the right area of town, *surely* we will see the significance of the “AA” in the immediate vicinity (sort of like “M and B are set in stone”). Right across the street from MR is the Boston Conservatory’s
Albert Alphin
Library.
2. The squiggles beside the castle on our girl’s box look like “BC” — in the past we surmised this stood for Boston Common, but it could also stand for…
Boston Conservatory
. Did I mention that it is right across the street?
Coincidence(s)?

Glossiphoniidae

To be fair… the Cleveland and Chicago sites were found next to thier respective exact visual confirmers. Ponce is not exact, and we really don’t expect the site to be next to him. Perhaps the more exact the confirmer, the closer to the site? The two C’s are in no way exact.

I agree with you, thrasher.  Considering the confirmed solves have *exact* imagery, we’re really running low on the same, for this image.
So far I’ve only seen two real-world images that are exact matches for anything in this pic: 1) the alternating brown/yellow checks in the semi-circle, which are a match for parts of the facade of the Old South Church (adjacent to BPL), and 2) the “watermark” stain on the arch, which matches almost perfectly — including the location and shape — of an arch on a fountain in Copley square… which, if I recall correctly, wasn’t built yet when BP created this puzzle.

I’ve always liked the general area around the Hatch Shell, so good luck with any digs in this area, though I haven’t really been able to follow the latest theories. I was just thinking about the Storrow Memorial Compass though, which has been under discussion; apologies if this is old hat or irrelevant, but…North.
If Thucydides is
North of Xenophon
Take five steps
In the area of his direction
Sounds like ‘His direction’ may be North.
A green tower of lights
…
Eighteenth day
Twelfth hour…
The Midnight Ride…
Listen my children and you shall hear
Of the midnight ride of Paul Revere,
On the eighteenth of April, in Seventy-five;
Hardly a man is now alive
Who remembers that famous day and year.
He said to his friend, “If the British march
By land or sea from the town to-night,
Hang a lantern aloft in the belfry arch
Of the North Church tower as a signal light
North again.
…Lit by lamplight
In truth, be free.
True north…?
I guess people have eliminated the idea of taking five steps from the compass itself, though I’d be curious to see exactly where the North point is on a map.

I’ve always liked the general area around the Hatch Shell, so good luck with any digs in this area, though I haven’t really been able to follow the latest theories. I was just thinking about the Storrow Memorial
Compass
though, which has been under discussion; apologies if this is old hat or irrelevant, but…North.
If Thucydides is
North of Xenophon
Take five steps
In the area of his direction
Sounds like ‘His direction’ may be North.
A green tower of lights
…
Eighteenth day
Twelfth hour…
The Midnight Ride…
Listen my children and you shall hear
Of the midnight ride of Paul Revere,
On the eighteenth of April, in Seventy-five;
Hardly a man is now alive
Who remembers that famous day and year.
He said to his friend, “If the British march
By land or sea from the town to-night,
Hang a lantern aloft in the belfry arch
Of the North Church tower as a signal light
North again.
…Lit by lamplight
In truth, be free.
True north…?
I guess people have eliminated the idea of taking five steps from the
compass
itself, though I’d be curious to see exactly where the North point is on a map.

You can see the compass on this Bing bird’s eye view.
http://binged.it/1uxTBJt
… and the nearby benches and lampposts.

You can see the
compass
on this Bing bird’s eye view.
http://binged.it/1uxTBJt
… and the nearby benches and lampposts.

gManTexas

Reading about Connick now, fascinating guy and body of work. Not sure if he’s related to the hunt, but had a studio in Back Bay.

(Please don’t include the external images when you quote a post like that.)

BINGO

Don’t know what to make of this bad boy, but I kind of like it.
Found it with a random “in truth, be free – Boston” google search. I believe it is stained glass and there are others like Socrates, Da Vinci, etc. All have their own theme like truth, mathematics, art, etc. Nothing for our buddy Xenophon or free that I could find. Maybe others have something to share or add to it…

Where is this located? Some church in the area?

gManTexas

Where is this located? Some church in the area?

Not really sure. There is an art archive of it at the BPL, (along with every other piece of art ever created) but it also mentioned that it was stained glass from Plymouth County Massachusetts.

Bingo,
This is pretty interesting. Seems worth trying to shake it down a bit.

gManTexas

Bingo,
This is pretty interesting. Seems worth trying to shake it down a bit.

Created by Charles Jay Connick. Painter, muralist, best known for stained glass.
Born 1875, died 1945.
Opened a studio in Boston in 1913.
Has created a ton of shit.
The studio continued after his death and closed in 1986. Most of the work was then donated to the BPL and MIT to be conserved. I would be much more excited if there was a Xenophon/Free connection to all of this. Possibly just another odd coincidence.

BINGO

Created by Charles Jay Connick. Painter, muralist, best known for stained glass.
Born 1875, died 1945.
Opened a studio in Boston in 1913.
Has created a ton of shit.
The studio continued after his death and closed in 1986. Most of the work was then donated to the BPL and MIT to be conserved. I would be much more excited if there was a Xenophon/Free connection to all of this. Possibly just another odd coincidence.

Reading about Connick now, fascinating guy and body of work. Not sure if he’s related to the hunt, but had a studio in Back Bay.

Update – I finally got the hookup with somebody at the Victory Gardens who is willing to take photos of the bridge area. I am going to have a phone call with her tonight and discuss the picture, verse, and my (our) picture needs. I’m excited. The woman seems super intrigued and ready to help, for a donation of course. She is a board member of the gardens and might have some good information as well. Any suggestions or requests?

Could you ask her about the 2C park area?  Can you confirm if it was there at the time the treasure was buried? Also, what is the purpose of the small house/building there?
I have been thinking that instead of looking like a 2C, the section looks more like a C and G.  Perhaps, it is supposed to stand for Charlesgate?
Also, can you you ask if the Victory Gardens have always been marked in the A-Z manner?
Four21thrasher, I am a believer of your bridge-wall theory.  Can’t wait to see what the pictures show.

shecrab

That’s correct. Until you get to the part that says “face the water, your back to the stairs.” The only place in Copley square you could do that is to face the fountain with your back to the stairs on the back of the cathedral. And that would be placing the casque smack in the middle of the lawn. It’s such an exposed area I would doubt the casque was buried there.

BPL gardens.

The 4 and the turrets, so far. It’s a large area, and I’m one person. Harvard Square and the surrounding area has changed so much during that time, to the point where they dug up the subway station, made 2 temporary ones for a few years, and then re-opened Harvard in a completely different configuration with an extension down to Alewife.
I’m just not that impressed by names on the side of a library that aren’t north of each other and appear on other libraries. I’m not completely discounting it – but there are a few things that turn me off to the Copley area in general.
1) It’s never been easy to dig in Copley. It’s very public, there are no really good park lands, privacy, etc.
2) All of Copley has basically been dug up and redone two separate times since 1981. If it was there it’s very, very likely destroyed or unfindable.
I’d have no problem scouting any specific area in Copley, but many people have done so, and nobody has come up with
anything
better than the names carved on the side.
I even freely admit in my own theory that T&X are a glaring, gaping hole, and am looking for assistance there. It’s also not always necessary to solve the entire verse (M&B for example) as you pointed out – not all lead directly to the cask.
I have considered the Green Building, didn’t really find anything compelling otherwise. It’s difficult because, in general, green “towers” of lights are not rare in Boston – as seen over by Charlesgate. Those are far from unique, and trying to assign any one thing to it by itself is going to be tough too.
If by Bacon’s wall you mean the woman two to the right of the bust on the Longfellow monument (designed by Daniel Chester French) I just don’t see it in her dress. I’m sorry – I think even if you aren’t a believer in the turrets you can see that they’re a much better match than this. 90 degree schmeinty degree, her arm position is completely completely different. This would be the single “worst” image match of all the known ones, from Chicago and Cleveland to the Milwaukee City Hall, outline of Roanoke, Chrysler Gargoyle, Possible “4” in Cambridge, Legeater, etc. By far.
So far the “worst” match is probably the pillars in Cleveland, and those are way closer than this would be, visually speaking.
If you mean something else, my apologies, I didn’t catch it. I’m not being as defensive as you think, but I’ve also spent a lot of time on the ground where it seems a lot of people haven’t, and that’s actually how these seem to get solved. Look at how long Egbert spent spinning his wheels in PA until someone came along and was like “Uh I live here and it’s here.”

I think I’ve floated this idea before, but maybe it bears repeating:
Maybe the Thucydides and Xenophon reference is just a reference for Boston, period.  “If T is north of X” — well, that’s it.  Boston is north of New York (the Walpole quote).  So look in Boston.
“Take five steps in the area of his direction” could be one of those out-of-order lines that would make more sense once the location is pinned down.

bigmattyh

I think I’ve floated this idea before, but maybe it bears repeating:
Maybe the Thucydides and Xenophon reference is just a reference for Boston, period.  “If T is north of X” — well, that’s it.  Boston is north of New York (the Walpole quote).  So look in Boston.
“Take five steps in the area of his direction” could be one of those out-of-order lines that would make more sense once the location is pinned down.

Bigmatty, you should share you’re ideas more.  I’m not saying I like what you have to say, just that you seem to have an interest and an opinion and hardly ever try to go anywhere with it.
These forums need more participation.

Please go ahead and probe it. I am convinced this is the spot because it is under (former) lamplight and near the I cannot tell a lie/in truth be free cherry tree. The cherry tree blooms in mid may so it is easier to tell it is a cherry at that time and not now. Preiss used this to tie Longfellow (Paul Rever’s Ride) to George Washington. When Longfellow was a professor at Harvard he lived in the same house as George Washington did during the Revolutionary War. I would try four feet off the walkway at paver #30 starting at the step and walk the edge.

Reviewing some old posts, I noticed since August of 2014, I’ve been highly interested in the 2Cs site. It’s been dug a bunch, but so was Cleveland and Chicago before casque turned up. The 2Cs are like mini amphitheater along the water there. I see the city Amphipolis come up often when looking into Thucydides, so I wonder if there’s some kind of “amphi-” connection to “face the water”
I also noticed I had forgotten that I had the idea before that Thucydides and Xenophon make a great reverse acronym like hint for T and X or “T_X” or simply “tax”, thus making Boston the perfect place to bring their names into the fold.
On some level, even tbough they dont look like the lreferred font, those two big unmistakable letter-S’s on the Somerset gate must be substituting for money signs, $$. I continue to wonder how to proceed with it and whether the citgo sign plays an important role in which direction to take 5 steps. Lots of things to think about still.
Good luck Bostonians!

elizabethmcfarland

https://www.flickr.com/photos/156936251@N07/?
photos and details on image 11.

Thanks for the pictures. The “spoke” that you mentioned is what I was assuming that you were talking about. I’m still a little confused as to how to properly count the stones/“tiles”. There just seems to be no regular, clear or simple way to count 12 of them. The same goes for 18 tiles on the “spoke”. However, the rest of your theory does lead to a specific area.
I am local to Boston and always willing to explore just about any theory. Are you looking for someone to probe/test your spot? Have you already explored this area? Let me/us know what your intentions are. There are a couple of Boston locals who are always willing to help and investigate. If you are planning to work the site on your own, I understand and respect that route as well. Either way, I wish you the best of luck.

The reason i believe the cask is near the WWII Memorial is the following:
1) Latitude: 42.342022 (numbers are on the sleeve and above the flower) Longitude: 71.093710. The 71 is in the cement circle. The 093 is next to the palm frond in the circle (magnify 400% to see) and the 710 is near her right arm.
2) Vector points 140 and 77. Numbers are in the cement circle and the 0 is a hole in the concrete. The vector 140 connects Boston University Castle with the palm frond the angel holds at the WWII Memorial. The 77 vector connects the fountain in the Kelleher Rose Garden with Symphony Hall, the “home” of the Boston Symphony Orchestra, hence the music note.
3) There is a map in her right hand that shows the emerald necklace entrance near the Museum of Fine Arts and her fingers touch the dig site.
4) There is a small green dot visible at 200% magnification under the concrete line (sidewalk) at C 8/9. This is the only green paint on the image and it is proportional to the dig spot. The Gem is a peridot

Ahhhhhh…..I can only magnify 300%….! ! !
That darn JJP.

someone from here was in the keller rose garden when i was there…who was it…he was phone conferencing with someone else (i assumed bingo or strike) and went over to charlesgate after lol…

JoshCornell

someone from here was in the keller rose garden when i was there…who was it…he was phone conferencing with someone else (i assumed bingo or strike) and went over to charlesgate after lol…

You should know what Bingo and Strike13 look like. We met with you at the fountain in front of the Boston Public Library. Talked for a little while and both of us went back to work. Do you not remember that?

yea, he was phone conferencing with someone (i thought one of you two) lol…i know it wasnt you guys there…lol

Getting back to this P possibly leading to SLC.  Too bad our bird friend is not a seagull since the gull is depicted in numerous statues throughout SLC:
http://www.eclecticat.net/photos/slc/se … nument.jpg
http://www.kasak.net/bigtrip/partfour/slc18.jpg
http://mdj.freeshell.org/grad/seasign.jpg
http://www.untraveledroad.com/USA/Utah/ … gr/17N.JPG
http://www.thisistheplace.org/images/Seagull-2.jpg
i really like the 1st one since it also shows an orb which this P shows.

Match up this image with the girl’s
face and the iron works to this link…
http://www.flickr.com/photos/infoworks/page4/
go down to “the statue of justice”
at the gate entrance!!
The ‘birth of the justice system’
was at the building on the edge of this squre…
The Great House!

And Boston is on ’42’ lattitude.

WhiteRabbit

If Thucydides is
North of Xenophon
Take five steps
In the area of his direction
Starting at Thucydides on the BPL and taking five steps in the direction of Xenophon, you end up at Shaw.

Ooh, I didn’t pick up on the R/G thing, Kalessin. Anyway…
I really like this idea. Not sure what Shaw nets aside from the memorial on Beacon St, but there are tons of names on the BPL that could match to street names, monuments, etc. If anyone wants to try out other five step configurations, I grabbed them from a book on archive.org and configured them into a chart the way they’re arranged on the building:
https://i.imgur.com/6xiM28n.png
“The area of his direction” could mean something on the North wall, maybe. There’s a lot of different ways to land on a name, and I love the idea of Preiss making us consult this big grid to find out the real starting point.
That being said,
I kinda suspect the BPL connection is a coincidence (there are 500+ names) and right now I’m more fond of
Theta Xi
‘s headquarters, which is smack dab in Kenmore and has been
since 1936
.
Plus, if you tilt
ΘΞ
north, it even looks like the painting.

I’m not into the idea of reattributing Thucy and Xenop to another T and X reference beyond getting the gist of a theme on a great historic struggle which parallels our own American Revolution from the British Parliaments
TaX
ations.
I don’t like Theta Chi as a visual fit either. And I don’t like the BPL as a hard reference for having Thucy and Xenops names, especially since they break from the logical directional references. You don’t want to commit to something that immediately starts out wrong. It would be great if Thucy really was North of Xenop, but that’s not the case. Time to move on to a more idea driven concept. What kind of direction is Thucydides? North. So I think its safe to assume five steps North is going to play out as a strong focus when we find the right patch of lawn…and it will be like going to the end of ten by thirteen as in Chicago. My bet is it will connect to a two lamp situation, since Revere’s signal was to “one if by land and two if by sea” – two lights from the old North church.

Right, I’m just saying, if you happen to think the other clues point to the Kenmore/Fens area, there’s a much closer starting point right there. (Also, Chi is a different frat. Xenophon is spelled with a Xi.)

Yeah, thanks.
I should add, it’s strange that people often steer clear of thinking deeply about these puzzles with the excuse that a child could’ve solved these. The problem with exploring deeper historic or analog concepts is that it’s also a way to get way off track. I appreciate the keep-it-simples and the occams-razors but the real problem with people is they only have to latch on to the one single creative notion that puts everything into the right context. At that point it will seem simple and the razor will shave smoothly, but to talk about simplicity at the wrong point in the conversation is only another barrier to experiencing the intent of Byron Preiss.

erexere

but to talk about simplicity at the wrong point in the conversation is only another barrier to experiencing the intent of Byron Preiss.

And the intent was specifically to sell books and make money and before it was really even a concept, have the found casques create a viral meme that encouraged more hunters, and more book sales.

Unknown

Unknown:
with the excuse that a child could’ve solved these.

There are a lot of reasons that people have cited over the years to think that the puzzles are easy. The only one that holds up to scrutiny is that Cleveland, relatively speaking, was easy.

cleveland houston charleston roanoke are seemingly the easiest (sf isnt bad either, less the last part of sf, which is hella tricky)…boston is arguably the hardest…i think sf and nyc are probably the longest (full puzzle)…although that might be secondary to mtl (which tells history of all of canada). nyc seems to be pretty easy too. imo boston is the most outstanding. im pretty sure i have the spot there, but wasnt allowed to dig. but i cant be certain for a specific reason.

JoshCornell

. imo boston is the most outstanding. im pretty sure i have the spot there, but wasnt allowed to dig. but i cant be certain for a specific reason.

Check the date on this photo Josh. Your theory may not be as good as you hope.

BINGO

Check the date on this photo Josh. Your theory may not be as good as you hope.

Nailed it!! That’s the bird!

on another note…i figured out what the alien in the boston painting is!!!!
the first ufo sighting in american history!!!!

omfg so good!!!!
“it was contracted into the figure of a swine”…

*does a little dance*
probably my favourite clue in the whole puzzle!

JoshCornell

*does a little dance*
probably my favourite clue in the whole puzzle!

Second fave is Michigan?

I’m still thinking the symbol Forest shows above (opposing triangles, or square cut by diagonal) is 71.  Rotate the image CW 90deg to see.
And within a given subcategory (magnetic versus geographic, for instance) north is north is north, independent of one’s frame of reference.  I think in this case it’s used literally, and also is intended to give one the proper “ah hah!” moment to begin the trail.
Pine

gManTexas

So, while we are at it, what is the current state of the hunt in Boston? North End still?

Completely lost. No prospects of my own. Convinced we are all doing it wrong and completely overlooking or possibly even overthinking the whole puzzle.
While being desperately lost, it also feels like a shift in momentum is actually possible. It’s a strange state of affairs in this part of the world.

BINGO

Completely lost. No prospects of my own. Convinced we are all doing it wrong and completely overlooking or possibly even overthinking the whole puzzle.
While being desperately lost, it also feels like a shift in momentum is actually possible. It’s a strange state of affairs in this part of the world.

Maybe you throw some energy into helping solve NYC. I feel like with every casque we should learn more about how these things work.

Chaveandderie

For what it’s worth, my Boston Solve starts with the painting. I noticed the base of the far right blue globe is resting on the up ended end of a cannon. The other clue that leads me to believe this is a cannon, is the two toned semi circle just to the left of it. This is a devise they would use to help determine the trajectory of the cannon fire. I believe this is referring to the time the British used Copp’s Hill as their encampment to bombard Charlestown. Next, I looked up about that time period and found out that the British used the headstones in the graveyard for target practice. One, they particularly liked to shoot at was Robert Newman’s. The patriot that placed the lanterns in the old North Church on Paul Revers fateful night.
Looking at the indentations that were made on his gravestone,they look a lot like the pock marks in the painting.

So, where’s your spot?

For what it’s worth, my Boston Solve starts with the painting. I noticed the base of the far right blue globe is resting on the up ended end of a cannon. The other clue that leads me to believe this is a cannon, is the two toned semi circle just to the left of it. This is a devise they would use to help determine the trajectory of the cannon fire. I believe this is referring to the time the British used Copp’s Hill as their encampment to bombard Charlestown. Next, I looked up about that time period and found out that the British used the headstones in the graveyard for target practice. One, they particularly liked to shoot at was Robert Newman’s. The patriot that placed the lanterns in the old North Church on Paul Revers fateful night.
Looking at the indentations that were made on his gravestone,they look a lot like the pock marks in the painting.

By the way, the Wikipedia articles on the Harvard Lampoon building and its architect, Edmund Wheelwright, are worth looking at. Wheelwright designed a number of Boston’s iconic landmark buildings and bridges, most of which are still standing.

P + G
Public Garden
Or even P for perch

…perch

Where’s the fun in that?!
‘Perch’ and hatch shell been discussed ad nauseam.
But Bubble-Perch-G/BPG?

Choice

hatch shell

Ah, yes, the rhapsodic man’s soil.

Italians made up one of the largest groups of immigrants from Southern and Eastern Europe when they came to SLC between the 1890s and 1920s to labor as miners and railroad workers, according to the Utah History Encyclopedia’s Web site.  😉

I contacted several libraries about finding maps of Mother’s Rest Park from earlier eras. Only Boston Public Library was able to render help (good ol’ BPL!). Here is a timeline of what we know about this structure:
1921 – play shelter built in Mother’s Rest
1931 – shelter visible in Bromley map (see below)
1952? – original shelter visible in background of photo (four21thrasher)
1955 – shelter visible in satellite image (four21thrasher)
1960s? – shelter visible in aerial photo (cw0909)
1971 – shelter visible in satellite image (four21thrasher)
1998 – shelter removed
The John Boyle O’Reilly statue appears to have been moved a short distance sometime after 1931, when the roads were reoriented. It was once situated in the triangle in the middle of the intersection, and now sits to one side. From the Bromley Fire Insurance Co., 1931:

funny that i haven’t ever noticed this until today…on the right side of the window, to the right of the 41, is a small mark. When rotated about 90 degrees counter-clockwise, it resembles a ‘checkmark’. here is a pic:
Also, the filigree in her dress is a nice “S” when viewed in a mirror. Salt?  😉

There is also
1) another checkmark below and to the right, along the same arched line
2) something that looks like a 7 or a v in the arch stone to the right of the “41 stone”
3) an s-like line on the wall on the left side of the pic, immediately below the outside edge of the circle-window (follow an imaginary line straight up from the bird’s head until you reach the window).
–Johann

these things seem to be appearing before my eyes….are we trying to hard to see stuff? lol  😀

Boston Public Library has once again come through for us. Here are some pages from a 1977 Fens restoration proposal. I selected the pages most likely to be relevant to us, but the full document can be found here:
http://openlibrary.org/books/OL24990830M/Back_bay_fens_preservation_master_plan
The shelter is visible in the top photo.

The Mothers Rest play area, pre- and post-1998 improvements:
http://kspot.org/trove/mothers.rest.1998.pdf

It isn’t

strike13

no time like the high time gman! welcome back! this could be the year for it!

Get busy with a shovel!

erexere

I like the idea of recognizing the Revere connection of the 18th day 12th hour lines. Maybe there’s a way that Byron could’ve seen to utilize those numbers as a way to a dig spot similarly to Chicago’s 10 x 13.

although in Chicago he called out 10×13 as a clue to find the casque
18th day 12th hour, not so much.

The casques were supposedly not buried in any gardens or cemeteries where it would disturb the plantings to dig. I know the casque was found in a garden in the Cleveland site, but it was not in a planted part–it was sort of behind the wall and out of sight. I would think that if it is indeed in Boston, it’s not in a very public area like Copley square, which is, as has been pointed out, mostly paved now–but there might be places around the church–and it’s quite likely, AFAIC–that it could be there–but no one has dug up much or found a definitive location that seems likely. As for Copley being “Italian”, it’s no more or less Italian-ish than anywhere else, except for places in Little Italy, of course.
I had an idea that instead of the actual “italian” connection, that there may indeed be immigrant connections–and there are some places we discussed around the Golden Stairs (face the water, your back to the stairs)…near the point of entry for so many immigrants.
http://www.eastietimes.com/2009/10/22/t … n-station/
Here is the passage from the URL above:
Believe it or not, that dilapidated warehouse next to the Navy Fuel Pier on Marginal Street was second only to Ellis Island as a point of entry for thousands of Irish, Jewish and Italians immigrants into the U.S. during the late 1800’s and early 1900’s. Across Marginal Street from the former Immigration Station building are the ‘Golden Stairs’ named because they represented the final climb to golden opportunity in America for countless Europeans.

In fact, you may want to examine this map carefully. Remember the “triangle” shapes on the woman’s dress–the ones we thought might be Copley Square at one point? Zoom in on the “Golden Stairs” location and look at the satellite view.
I tried to reproduce the map here, but wasn’t successful. Google “Golden Stairs, Marginal street, Boston MA” and zoom in on the words “Golden Stairs” with satellite view.

In case it proves useful, here is another 1986 report by Zaitzevsky, this one on Riverway:
http://kspot.org/trove/zaitzevsky_1986.pdf

DCR

The specific area you highlighted was constructed in 1965-1966 as part of the overall construction for the Charlesgate Interchange (aka Bowker Overpass). It was constructed by one of DCR’s predecessor agencies, the Metropolitan District Commission (MDC).

When asked about the “2C” construction north of Mother’s Rest, my contact at the Massachusetts Dept. of Conservation and Recreation replied:
FWIW

erexere

I think it’s fair that Preiss had the expectation that someone had a decent education, that some intertextuality would generate some good old fashioned sleuthery.
How can you perceive a Paul Revere reference and think Longfellow is unimportant? How can the poem be named “The Landlord’s Tale” and yet a line like “feel at home” not stir some sense of recognition?

Agreed. Either you have the education of historic context or he could lead you to search for more info.

“The ribbon hanging off her right arm (our left) contains a box with the letters
AA
“
The treasure is clearly in Ann Arbor, MI!  What a relief, because it was quickly becoming apparent that none of the other casques is anywhere near me, although I’m smack dab between the only two that have actually been found in Chicago and Cleveland.
If anyone sees any additional hidden wolverine clues I’d be happy to follow them up here.

Its time to celebrate folks.  I’m about done with posting any further drivel.  My brain feels like its making an audible slosh and flush sound.  I guess I’m tired out and out of new stuff to add.  Its been a catharsis for me to explore every avenue that makes a lick of sense even in the most distant sense.
Jsp, I forgot to sah I’m still uncertain about wbere the 5 steps comes in.  Could have been earlier with street ju ctions.  Could be later with actual steps.  That’s about 15 feet.  I wonder if that is about the distance from box to intersection with the perpendicular center of the SS gate.

Try this as an attempt to integrate the 5 steps (5 meters), the perpendicular SS-gate, the stairs, the lamp.
I’m considering the direction from the stairs to lamp as “in the area of his direction”.  I believe “his” is Leiv Erickson.
Leiv is the alternate spelling of Leif.
LeiV = “Lei” + “vee” = homonym of “levee” or “the water”.  Its worth considering the purple flower represents a lei orchid.  Creating a name rebus like the bell+flower did in Cleveland.   Coolness.
I looked for images of blue orchids, I can’t tell if that’s what this is, but if it is then there’s a good case for a rebus from Leiv to make “Levee” as the object for the line regarding “his direction” and/or the line “face the water”.
I believe we face Leif and the lamp is what’s 5 steps in his direction.

https://tinyurl.com/y5mbe4st
https://tinyurl.com/y3bvnr6c

Choice

Did you know there’s a “man of letters” in the public garden, holding a T shaped cane. yup, there is

strike13

Did you know there’s a “man of letters” in the public garden, holding a T shaped cane. yup, there is

That may be so but I was looking for a Greek related structure per the 1st line of the verse. Samareitēs meets that requirement. I doubt Ed Hale was Greek!

My dowser line (hypothesis presented previously) points to this area of the image:

If we’re going the public garden route. Not an exact match but the Church of the Advent has interesting similarities to the photo.
https://goo.gl/maps/q9ZcZmbjkZr

There are many castle looking structures in boston i.e.
http://tinyurl.com/y25vjegq
Initially I used the castle (Castle island pleasure bay that looks like birds claw) as the eastern marker to Hatch shell’s western marker.

Yeah just pointing out one close to near where the other clues we’re in the discussion. Walking there from the garden you would walk past Byron St. Which could be a feel at home reference.

That’s a good point.
In relation to the Ether monument I interpreted that as home plate location in a diamond, or the corner of the fountain.

Question for the hunters that have been here a while……I was reading some old threads the other days and someone had posted a picture of Byron Preiss in Boston. The link no longer works but I wonder if that led anywhere? Was it taken around the time he was burying the casques and could it be proof he was in Boston? And were you able to tell the location of the picture? I will try to find the exact posts again……

hey dreams
you like the beacon hill area? are you going to check out other areas?
are you familiar with the commons or the public garden?  are you taking a poker?
i’m wondering if that bird and walking stick isn’t just a word play for freedom trail,
bird———free as a bird
walking stick—- walk, trail
freedom trail, or
bird walk……………board walk, lol
or….
i’ve seen 2 statues with walking sticks, benjamin franklin at old city hall:
http://flickr.com/photos/wallyg/493167343/
and edward everett hale in the public gardens
http://flickr.com/photos/gene_simon/570722908/
and his has “man of letters” and he wrote “Man Without a Country”, which fits in with the immigration stuff
http://www.storyofboston.com/articles/e … le_statue/
welcome to the hunt, dreams

i guess it was the word “stand” that got me…lol
i was thinking there was some kind of place that sold tea or something
i know about the “T” stops,
sorry

slappybuns

hey dreams
you like the beacon hill area? are you going to check out other areas?
are you familiar with the commons or the public garden?  are you taking a poker?
i’m wondering if that bird and walking stick isn’t just a word play for freedom trail,
bird———free as a bird
walking stick—- walk, trail
freedom trail, or
bird walk……………board walk, lol
or….
i’ve seen 2 statues with walking sticks, benjamin franklin at old city hall:
http://flickr.com/photos/wallyg/493167343/
and edward everett hale in the public gardens
http://flickr.com/photos/gene_simon/570722908/
and his has “man of letters” and he wrote “Man Without a Country”, which fits in with the immigration stuff
http://www.storyofboston.com/articles/e … le_statue/
welcome to the hunt, dreams

Thing is… it really isn’t a walking stick… It is a ‘T’ stand.

yeah i do live near boston. i ll probably be able to go and take some pics next week either st patricks day or good friday since we have those days off
cant say ive ever been there before in all my years of living in boston

Trohn , what is a “T” stand?
i understand it could be for Boston (T) Tea Party…that’s all been said b4, but i don’t recall anyone mentioning it as a “T” stand.

Mention “T” in Boston and people understand it as a reference to the transportation sytem:
http://www.mbta.com/

forest_blight

Mention “T” in Boston and people understand it as a reference to the transportation sytem:
http://www.mbta.com/

Absolutely no question!
Its on all of the signs.
Makes it unique to Boston.

gManTexas

While those might be decent picks, I believe the numbers are
42 Wrist
43 Square and Triangle on dress
70 Elbow
71 Two A’s on dress
That would place you in Boston.

We can all mix up letters, numbers, shapes and symbols to find zip codes, lat/long coordinates, phone numbers and addresses all day long.
Especially when we are looking for specific connections. In this image, you can get lat/long for the areas surrounding Boston, Philadelphia, Salt Lake City, Washington DC and even Cape Cod pretty easily if you look for it.
Personally, I don’t like the “70” from the elbow but I fully admit to using it because of James V’s comment combined with the Pill Grim in the book. As far as the triangle/square for “43”, ok. I don’t really think it’s perfect either, but it works.
We all know the saying about opinions…

BINGO

We can all mix up letters, numbers, shapes and symbols to find zip codes, lat/long coordinates, phone numbers and addresses all day long.
Especially when we are looking for specific connections. In this image, you can get lat/long for the areas surrounding Boston, Philadelphia, Salt Lake City, Washington DC and even Cape Cod pretty easily if you look for it.
Personally, I don’t like the “70” from the elbow but I fully admit to using it because of James V’s comment combined with the Pill Grim in the book. As far as the triangle/square for “43”, ok. I don’t really think it’s perfect either, but it works.
We all know the saying about opinions…

One reason I like the square and triangle is that there are similar shapes in Image 1. I believe those are also numbers, and possibly geometric markers of some sort.

BINGO, it’s been years since I’ve lived in Boston, so I’m definitely not an expert on the area anymore. I’ve spent some time searching online, looking for clues between Plymouth Rock and the “National Monument to the Forefathers” area, but ultimately couldn’t come up with much. There’s also a tall Pilgrim monument at their initial landing site, all the way out in Provincetown.
Interesting find about the possible lat/long numbers…I’d not thought about that angle! If we can assume that the I11/V3 pairing is correct, I’m still leaning towards a route that would trace Paul Revere’s journey out of the North End and over into Cambridge for a dig site… but who really knows?

JamesV

BINGO, it’s been years since I’ve lived in Boston, so I’m definitely not an expert on the area anymore. I’ve spent some time searching online, looking for clues between Plymouth Rock and the “National Monument to the Forefathers” area, but ultimately couldn’t come up with much. There’s also a tall Pilgrim monument at their initial landing site, all the way out in Provincetown.
Interesting find about the possible lat/long numbers…I’d not thought about that angle! If we can assume that the I11/V3 pairing is correct, I’m still leaning towards a route that would trace Paul Revere’s journey out of the North End and over into Cambridge for a dig site… but who really knows?

What do you think about Revere’s ride and it’s starting in the chucktown navy yard, right near the where the USS constitution sits with its “ironsides metal walls”, used for the war of 1812?

strike13

What do you think about Revere’s ride and it’s starting in the chucktown navy yard, right near the where the USS constitution sits with its “ironsides metal walls”, used for the war of 1812?

Strike13, I think the USS Constitution is definitely a possibility, although it’s been challenging to find photos of how Charlestowne would have looked in the early 80s, pre-Big Dig. I’d also been considering the old Garden as a possible “coliseum” since it was so close by.
That last “In Truth, be free” line naturally makes me think of Harvard’s “Veritas” motto, so I’d been working through a number of possible routes which would lead in that direction.

JamesV

BINGO, it’s been years since I’ve lived in Boston, so I’m definitely not an expert on the area anymore. I’ve spent some time searching online, looking for clues between Plymouth Rock and the “National Monument to the Forefathers” area, but ultimately couldn’t come up with much. There’s also a tall Pilgrim monument at their initial landing site, all the way out in Provincetown.
Interesting find about the possible lat/long numbers…I’d not thought about that angle! If we can assume that the I11/V3 pairing is correct, I’m still leaning towards a route that would trace Paul Revere’s journey out of the North End and over into Cambridge for a dig site… but who really knows?

The Plymouth route took me by surprise this morning. I was just punching in a bunch of numbers to see what other cities may match up. The lat/long box that seemed the most logical (using visual numbers in the image) ended up encircling the Cape. I had vaguely remembered your post from earlier and also remembered reading about Plymouth in the book. Other than that, nothing else stands really out to me.
The North End has been a pet project for me for a while as well. The verse can be easily applied to multiple locations in that small area. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to produce a single convincing image connection to date. It is frustrating to say the least.
I guess we should all just follow the wiki’s direction and dig 50-60 more holes in the middle of the 2C site…

strike13

The light from the church isn’t green, but all else is fitting.
The old south church has green lights and is green tower of lights in the middle section of back bay

My bad. I always thought/assumed that the North Church has green lights. I don’t think I’ve ever been there at night. ASS-U-ME

The light from the church isn’t green, but all else is fitting.
The old south church has green lights and is green tower of lights in the middle section of back bay
My bad. I always thought/assumed that the North Church has green lights. I don’t think I’ve ever been there at night. ASS-U-ME
Hahaha..no worries at all! We’re all just talking, sharing ideas, trying to rule stuff out, etc
Check this green tower of lights
http://www.fw4elders.org/wp-content/upl … _south.jpg

strike13

The light from the church isn’t green, but all else is fitting.
The old south church has green lights and is green tower of lights in the middle section of back bay

My bad. I always thought/assumed that the North Church has green lights. I don’t think I’ve ever been there at night. ASS-U-ME
Hahaha..no worries at all! We’re all just talking, sharing ideas, trying to rule stuff out, etc
Check this green tower of lights
http://www.fw4elders.org/wp-content/upl … _south.jpg

That is exactly what I was thinking was at the North Church.
I went to that spot a bunch of times to read those plaques too. Looking for anything and everything related. That’s when my imagination took over.
I think we are all guilty of it at times.

I’m still in Back Bay Fens. Let me throw this out there.
The bird on the “T” is an Ipswich Sparrow. This road is on the Northhern part of the fens alongside the Mass Turnpike.
Our girl in the Image is Erin (Ireland) on the backside of the John Boyle O’Reilly Monument at the corner of Boylston and Fenway. Her two sons “Poetry and Patriotism”, are sitting on the monument by her sides.
http://www.bing.com/images/search?view= … tedIndex=1
The top half of the stone circle behind Erin in Image 11 represents the Boylston Street Bridge. Looking on the left side of the arch, you can see indented circle (ink well) and the feather (quill pen) representing “Poetry” and on the right you see a graphic representation of the American flag representing “Patriotism”.

I keep seeing “A green tower of lights” get interpreted as “a tower of green light”
Here’s what strikes me as the most straightforward riddle-type solution to “A green tower of lights”:
“In the middle section” might help specify which green-painted traffic pole is being referred to.

treetops

I keep seeing “A green tower of lights” get interpreted as “a tower of green light”
Here’s what strikes me as the most straightforward riddle-type solution to “A green tower of lights”:
“In the middle section” might help specify which green-painted traffic pole is being referred to.

That is a great idea, I think in one of the Master Plans for the Fens it was stated (or in some other source, sorry) that the traffic island at Boylston and Charlesgate had become an eyesore and nightmare. I’ll have to dig it up but typing here so I remember.
Anyone else remember this?

I’m looking at the Fairy’s wings and the extra blue highlights around her head and part of her body. I believe it is a great match for the Hatch Band Shell and Green at the Esplanade. Her shoulder forms the bump in front of the shell.

This 1977 Kalil Gibran plaque is across the street from the McKim building (with Xenophon and Thucydides among others):
http://bostonlitdistrict.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/DSC_0177.jpg
Is the lid of the box the woman is opening an homage to the slanted copy of The Prophet that Gibran holds?

There’s also a Pilgrim Road further down the Fens near the Short Street Stairs. Another location to check out.
Strike13 and I were going to meet up in Boston Saturday March 24. Why don’t we all compile a list of the spots to check out.
For starters (and some of these have been checked already but why not take a quick look again):
Start at the library and walk down Boylston to…..
1) Leif Erikson Statue and neighboring green areas (even down to the Charles)
2) Charlesgate Park and neighboring green areas
3) Mother’s Rest
4) Victory Gardens – I’d love to just check out the Path X that goes down the middle section
5) WWII Memorial and surrounding park area
6) Longfellow Duck House and where the Morse Code Memorial stood
7) Clemente Field House and where the bleachers once stood
Pilgrim Road and Short Street Stairs
Too much Strike13?

Hopefully all that Nor’easter snow will be melted by then. Should make for some soft digging if it warms up though.

I would love pictures of all sides of the transit emergency exit right there next to Charlesgate. If I were to bury a treasure I’d do it back there because it provides the most cover and there arent many trees in the immediate area

Haarstick

There’s also a Pilgrim Road further down the Fens near the Short Street Stairs. Another location to check out.
Strike13 and I were going to meet up in Boston Saturday March 24. Why don’t we all compile a list of the spots to check out.
For starters (and some of these have been checked already but why not take a quick look again):
Start at the library and walk down Boylston to…..
1) Leif Erikson Statue and neighboring green areas (even down to the Charles)
2) Charlesgate Park and neighboring green areas
3) Mother’s Rest
4) Victory Gardens – I’d love to just check out the Path X that goes down the middle section
5) WWII Memorial and surrounding park area
6) Longfellow Duck House and where the Morse Code Memorial stood
7) Clemente Field House and where the bleachers once stood
Pilgrim Road and Short Street Stairs
Too much Strike13?

I doubt anything would be buried in the Victory Gardens, where people are constantly digging.
You need to bring cameras, no, you won’t look like tourists at all!

BINGO

Reeds, reeds and more reeds. Agassiz Rd basically bridges over the muddy river. One side is the victory gardens and Mother’s Rest and the other side has the war memorial, Rose Garden, Clemente field, etc.
It’s actually difficult to see anything from the duck house because the reeds on both sides of the river are like 8’ tall.

How about in 1980 or so. Didn’t they do some work to beat back the reeds and brush? Also, what about this time of year or early spring before the trees are in bloom? Is it possible to see both the WWII memorial and V Gardens from the area of the Duck House?
BTW, I am on the fence about whether “all the clues” can be seen from the dig spot. We just don’t have enough data to be able to tell yet.

Haarstick

There’s also a Pilgrim Road further down the Fens near the Short Street Stairs. Another location to check out.
Strike13 and I were going to meet up in Boston Saturday March 24. Why don’t we all compile a list of the spots to check out.
For starters (and some of these have been checked already but why not take a quick look again):
Start at the library and walk down Boylston to…..
1) Leif Erikson Statue and neighboring green areas (even down to the Charles)
2) Charlesgate Park and neighboring green areas
3) Mother’s Rest
4) Victory Gardens – I’d love to just check out the Path X that goes down the middle section
5) WWII Memorial and surrounding park area
6) Longfellow Duck House and where the Morse Code Memorial stood
7) Clemente Field House and where the bleachers once stood
Pilgrim Road and Short Street Stairs
Too much Strike13?

Not too much at all..sounds perfect!!! maybe also some eating drinking and thinking at a place nearby too…before we dig it up! haha! You never know…

Strike13 – we’ll start with lunch and cocktails and go from there!
gMan – I agree. In Chicago, I doubt very much that you could see a lot of the images from either the painting or verse from the dig site. Think about the Water Tower, the two statues at Congress, the M and B set in stone, the round marking on the symphony building, the fairy on the fountain – doubt you could see any of those from the dig site. The Lincoln Statue and the gate, yes. So one or two (to obviously help mark the spot) but more seems doubtful. My worry is that the mark will be gone since so much time has passed. I was so hoping that Morse Code statue would give us a visual clue! Wish I could find better/more pictures of the field house – maybe that held a clue….

A silly and likely worthless observation but you can spell out FENWAY and ITALIAN using the first letters from each line of the verse with the letters IIWFT left over. Yes, I’ve gone down a rabbit hole but I thought that was interesting.

Its a peregrine imho.

hopefully this can be used, as a research tool,for landmarks ect. ive looked at about 5pgs
nothing jumped out at me so far
what i did was choose….
keyword….the letter a
level of search…….When searching photographs, we recommend search “item level” if you want to retrieve thumbnails and summary description.
http://rfi.bostonhistory.org/boston/def … search.htm

I posted up the pic on a bird identification forum…
“I’d imagine it was based on Barbary Falcon…falconer’s bird at any rate considering the perch. Or possibly Lanner. Or something inbetween.”
So…a falcon. Here’s one of Audubon’s…
I wonder if there’s a missing falcon connection then. There’s a Falcon St and a Black Falcon Ave, but they’re miles away. Or maybe just something snapped in the Boston Museum of Fine Arts.

Nice find. If you search for “mothers” there are 5 unscanned photos of Mothers’ Rest from 1962-1963. Someone should get those for sure.

forest_blight

Nice find. If you search for “mothers” there are 5 unscanned photos of Mothers’ Rest from 1962-1963. Someone should get those for sure.

I’ve actually already looked into them… they are of the Mothers’ Rest house and park – not the same Mothers’ Rest.

WhiteRabbit

A couple of things struck me about the pic of this statue called “Science” that I hadn’t noticed before…
(Note that this is the August image.)

I pointed this out because of the peculiarity of all of the people being linked to a ‘state’ except Thucydides, who is linked to a city. If we translated Boston to mean Massachusetts, you could take five steps from BPL to (his direction)Massachusetts Ave… and the Tower would be in the middle.

Unknown

Unknown:
The next
Augustan
age will dawn on the other side of the Atlantic. There will, perhaps, be a
Thucydides
at Boston, a
Xenophon
at New York, and, in time, a
Virgil
at Mexico, and a
Newton
at Peru.

A couple of things struck me about the pic of this statue called “Science” that I hadn’t noticed before…
One is the “Free to all” inscription which might relate to “In truth be free” or “All the letters”. (I also just came across “And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free” from John 8:32.)
The other is (Charles) Darwin, who drew and studied finches.
(Note that this is the August image.)
Darwin appears below Newton in this pic. (These characters also all appear separately on the facade…there’s a complete list
here
.)
(Not sure if we ever got a positive ID on this bird, if it’s a real species…? Loads of bird illustrations in Darwin books but I haven’t found a close match yet.)

WhiteRabbit

Are you still planning to head out to Boston to look for this thing?

Yes! During this month… there is nothing else I can do at this point. Was it you who recently brought up the two ways to go about this puzzle (1. Dig a hole; 2. Get someone else to dig a hole)? Let’s steal the prez’s slogan… FORWARD 2012!

go with your gut.  find it.

Are you still planning to head out to Boston to look for this thing?

Ok.  Scrap my St. Louis idea for this pic.  I am convinced that this is Salt Lake City.  The break in the stones at the top of the circle, to the left of what is now a 41, is a feather.  Whether using high res or the book, it is hard to not see it as a feather.  Poking around on SLC tourist sites, I see that outside City Hall is a statue of a Native American with a feather on his head.
–Johann

Just wanted to add that I have since verified that the building in Mothers Rest stood well into the 1990’s (from at least the 50’s). For a while, it existed simultaneously with the playground. There also used to be a path from Albert Alphin Library down to the building and the park, though I cannot confirm if it had steps. I have also not been able to obtain any photographs or personal descriptions of the building or what it was. Any help would be appreciated.
Still looking.

OK will take  a closer look at that. That said, looks like Thrasher will be heading out there this month anyway — so will wait and see what he finds. I have to say I am not convinced, but would be glad to be proven wrong.

To clarify, I am not trying to suggest any radical theories because I don’t have any
I suppose my only radical theory is to start afresh without any assumptions. I think it is dangerous to jump to the verse alone since it is so easy to make it fit almost anywhere. That’s why I think it would be nice to be grounded by specific visual confirmations. I have been looking around boston trying to find any matches and have yet to see anything that shouts out an exact match to me yet. That’s why I set the net a bit wider to start looking at Providence too, but have not see anything there yet either. Will keep you updated if I find anything.
I do think the coordinates are important and that’s why I am having a hard time dismissing the 41 I see across the top of the porthole, but maybe that isn’t a 41 or it is a reference to something else…
Anyway, in the meantime, I will make some connections with some of my friends in the Boston are to see if any would be willing to take some photos or do other legwork in Boston… so just let me know if you have any ideas…
thanks.

I’m a radical theory proposer.  Four21Thrasher has really shook things up with some good strong finds.  Pay close attention to what he’s shared and see if anything really grabs your interest.  I liked his attention on the Leif Eriksson statue placard.  It’s little squiggly embossed features really resemble some of the pattern on the woman’s tabbard.
There’s been some really exciting discussion on many Boston sites in the last year.  If I were in Boston, I’d probably take about three days sizing up the area around Charlesgate Park and then I’d do some serious digging.  I don’t have a 100 percent lock on things, but I have a lot of ideas and would be willing to take the time and patience needed to “feel at home” and remain flexible enough to adapt to any “30 years since” changes.

See my post under the “pp.20-21” thread.  This is a tough picture with which to match a theme, along with pic 10.  After being fairly confident with matching the other 10 pictures to themes, it leaves me with only 2:
One should be:
February (no indication of time in either pic)
Amethyst (pic 11 — is that gem purple though?)
Violet or Primrose (pic 11 has a purple flower, but it doesn’t look like a violet or primrose, it looks more like Gladiolus)
German Theme
“Dwarves’ treasure: purple Amethyst,
Imperial star of Germany.”
The other should be:
August (ball glowing at 8 o’clock in pic 10?)
Peridot (are either of these gems green)
Gladiolus or Poppy (what is that flower in pic 10?)
Italian Theme
“Peridot of old Italy:
antique, and olivine, and rich.”
This pic seems to have a “purple” theme, which would indicate Amethyst and Violet.  However, is that gem really purple?  It may be a Peridot.  Also, the flower doesn’t look like a violet.  It looks like a Gladiolus.
http://www.westol.com/~pennwest/flowers/poppy.html
Does this pic remind anyone of Italy or Germany?

erexere

I think its reasonable to say he had a reason to go long with literary references.  At the very least we might distill them to a rooftop for NO, a place maybe where leaves pile up in Houston, and a place named after the Warship mentioned in the Landlords Tale in Boston.

Well, again, I’m not ruling anything out, but in the case of the Landlord’s Tale, I’m taking the following into consideration:
– There’s nothing in the image that suggests the area. Sticking to the idea of finding exact matches for something, there just isn’t anything there. There are some things (the globes, the Cs, etc) which sort of resemble things found in the image, but no precise match like we’ve seen with the other solutions.
– Excluding that (namely, the fact that I don’t think there’s much to lead us to that area), the Somerset is a hotel that shares a name with the Somersett, which is a warship in the poem. But the poem also mentions the Old North Church*, and it also mentions Charlestown**, and it also mentions Paul Revere (lots of landmarks involving him all over the city), and it’s also by Longfellow and there is a Longfellow Bridge in Boston.
I honestly think that we’ve been led by confirmation bias to the area next to the Somerset. There are a few things which sort of fit, or which can be bent to fit (a dangerous trap when puzzle-solving), but it also leaves a lot of things out – there are aspects of the verse which don’t correspond to anything in the area, and nothing in the image at all.
*
Which is also in the North End. For a while, I was sort of stuck on the idea of “In the area of his direction,” since it makes no sense, but if we interpret that not as going north, but being in the north area, it fits a little better. Unfortunately, there isn’t much else that points us there.
**
Which is where Old Ironsides (see above re: metal walls) is.

Good thinking there jsp.  Its establishing bew ground to look into the poem for references and you are right to show consideration for those other mentions.  I don’t think were falling into a trap at the Somerset location, because there aren’t exact things to call upon.  Itlooks like this is a case partiality.  The remaining images are drifting towards a more blended anatomy.  The backbone of these puzzles is ever mysterious.  My biggest push for an all encompassing or underlying trend is to look at ancient greek parallels.  That sort of thing keeps coming up for me…but maybe that is a trap.
I really like the similarity of the top shape of the woman’s head as a fit for that nice curve in the facade if the building a block north of Leif Ericcson.

Those hatch photos aren’t too shabby.  Don’t you mean to say you’ve received little or no response about them, or have folks been adamant in their objections?  As the original poster of material, you might see more in the image than you’re words convey.  I’m having that problem all over the place.  A good idea might be to have a REVIEW of material by each person along with some kind of independent rating of confidence.  I’ve seen scant postings where people say “I feel 100% on this match…”.

WhiteRabbit

In the interest of connecting everything in the Universe with everything else, I give you
Oliver Wendell Holmes
, a doctor who studied at Boston Medical College, and writer whose works include the celebrated poem
“The Last Leaf”
. This was inspired by Herman’s grandfather and Tea Party celebrant,
Thomas Melvill
. That’s one theory of how the image 11 feather lines up with the Boston University Medical Campus.

WR, I like this material.  The BUMC came up for me when searching oculus/boston.

My personal favourite of all the stuff I’ve posted about Boston is the Hatch Shell matches I put here, like the hair and the box lid…although no-one else likes these.  :'(
http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/i … ic=724.525

The cover of the book actually has the clearest picture of this image.  The 41 in the arch (or at least the 4) is very obvious and the 112 over the flower is also pretty clear.
Since SLC is 41N, 112, it sure points to it.  I’ve been trying to decide what kind of bird it is in the picture.  The state bird is the california gull.
wilhouse

JamesV

This is a link to a 1976 National Park Service brochure that shows the Boston National Historical Park:
http://npshistory.com/brochures/bost/1976.pdf
. It’s got a decent street map, as well as a set-in map of the MBTA stops.
This weekend I was kicking around some thoughts using Image 11 & Verse 3… In case it helps anyone, I was working my way across the Charlestowne Bridge past the old Boston Garden (the “coliseum”) and near the USS Constitution (“metal walls”). On the other side of the river it looks like there’s a Paul Revere park… which of course, wasn’t opened until the 1990s.
I’d love to find some period photos of this area, though… curious if there might have been any stairs located by nearby Water Street?

Be careful in that area, it will suck you in. There are stairs and street lamps in that area that look almost too perfect. Until you burrow deep enough to find that most of them are a byproduct of the big dig “improvements”. It’s a rich area nonetheless.

I made contact today with somebody at the Conservatory who has proved to be of great help already and sounds excited to participate in the search!
The railings leading down the steps… they are replacements; whether they are replicas (as it was stated, “most things replaced were replicas rather than replacements) is being researched.
The removal of invasive plant life and restoration of the slope involved no digging. The knotweed stalks were individually injected with chemicals to kill them off from the root up. This was done in synchronization with the placement of topsoil and planting of other flowers and shrubs as to allow new roots to grown in as others died out… yielding as little chance of erosion as possible.
The building that stood in the park had metal siding and had four walls. It was not an open picnic shelter or boathouse. This was from her memory.
The woman at the Conservatory has said she would search the Emerald Necklace archive for information and photography about the building, and report back. I have sent her the photos I have of the building to show to others in hopes of additional information.

WhiteRabbit

(Nice find wk.)

Agreed.