WhiteRabbit

everyday i am frustrated by the fact that there is pictures of 2C. what is the building in MR?!

Glossiphoniidae

everyday i am frustrated by the fact that there is pictures of 2C. what is that building?!

on this plan it is labelled as a PUMP STATION:-
http://www.coe.neu.edu/transportation/p … Bowker.pdf
also a good drawing of the 2C on this plan.

wk

on this plan it is labelled as a PUMP STATION:-
http://www.coe.neu.edu/transportation/p … Bowker.pdf
also a good drawing of the 2C on this plan.

sorry, i meant the building that sat in the middle of Mothers Rest for 50+ years… my frustration is that I cannot identify it or find any pictures of it (unlike 2C, which is widely available).

(Nice find wk.)

I just want to post
this image
that gave me fits for a full week before I abandoned my Statler Park idea. I used the coordinates in Image 11 to make a triangle, and the triangle matched up with CCWP, the Old North Church, and Statler Park. The triangle between these three points also closely matched the positioning of the three bubbles in the image, with Statler Park being in the position of the star/Venus in Image 11.
Then I go look at the park (which is across the street from the castle on the box) and it turns out to be in the shape of a star within a circle, have a fountain with
a statue
that could vaguely resemble the fairy with the jewel, and a fountain below the statue that, on its underside, had all the symbols of the Zodiac (all the astrological letters?).
It was a painful theory to abandon. :p

Frisco

I just want to post
this image
that gave me fits for a full week before I abandoned my Statler Park idea. I used the coordinates in Image 11 to make a triangle, and the triangle matched up with CCWP, the Old North Church, and Statler Park. The triangle between these three points also closely matched the positioning of the three bubbles in the image, with Statler Park being in the position of the star/Venus in Image 11.
Then I go look at the park (which is across the street from the castle on the box) and it turns out to be in the shape of a star within a circle, have a fountain with
a statue
that could vaguely resemble the fairy with the jewel, and a fountain below the statue that, on its underside, had all the symbols of the Zodiac (all the astrological letters?).
It was a painful theory to abandon. :p

I know the feeling. It’s better in the long run, though.

Well, I’m going to be in Boston next weekend, and I’ll probably still poke around there a bit. Because until I figure out why those damn bubbles, all the coordinates, and all the Columbus imagery are in the image (or when a casque is unearthed), I find it hard to believe any of the current theories very deeply.

cw – The “Little Italy” of Boston is the North End, basically the entire area beyond I-93, the “fingernail” of the peninsula.

Killian32

I wish the skyline in her hair was easier to match up with something.

This is just an example. A face that looks like…..glow worm, looks exactly like the northern part of NJ on a map.   Many of the images have faces.  Image1 seems to have the face of JFK just above the rose, when rotated once to the right.  Image9 seems to have a face on the hat, top right side when rotated once to the left.  I thought it outlined St louis pretty good.  You can look back at the Image9 thread and see it.  Image3 seems to have a face of Ziggy.  What it means, I don’t know.  But they are there for a reason.
Image2 has the face of Frankenstein on the map of Charleston when turned upside down.  Neck bolts included.  Even Image11 has a face.  It is looking at the Fairy holding the jewel.
I had hoped they could all be maps.

Okay, I thought that the idea of the Litany of the Jewels corresponding to the countries/fair folk in certain areas of the US was pretty cool–and it pans out with the two casques already found. So what happened
here
?
Salt Lake City is not a hotbed of Italian immigration, according to the BOOK. Those areas, from the list in the back, would be “all borders”, (Canada/Mexico/Florida), Tennesee, and North and South Dakota. That narrows this search down quite a bit, if you limit it to those areas.
I know the latitudes and longitudes do not correspond with anything found
so far
, but that many mean the numbers are faulty–not the idea.  And if you look at South Dakota, a couple of things really stand out as very significant.
Mitchell SD
–google it–and you’ll find a reasonable facsimile of your box castle.
The Corn Palace.
Not only that, but the designs on the side of the Corn Palace at one time (and maybe at others?) were/are very similar to those on the woman’s dress collar, cuffs and front. They change yearly, but there hasn’t been a wide range of different designs.  Number TWO: Across the street from this oddity is another one: A CASTLE. Literally. A castle. It’s a doll museum. So the turrets and the crenellated wall might be represented by one or both of these structures.
There is one more thing as well, making it the THIRD thing (the three “stories” of Mitchell?)– there is a music museum there. I’d wager that “woman, with harpsichord,” might be open to interpretation in this place. They have a goodly collection of keyboard instruments. There might be other confirmers for verse 8 here as well.
The latitudes and longitudes of South Dakota range from 42-46 and 96-104. It has possibilities. Enough that I think maybe this merits as much exploration as the Salt Lake City ideas. There has been so much speculation about the longitude number that no one has yet agreed on what it is. 112 is certainly a possibility, but so is 97, 91, etc.

Verse 8 fits *so* well with the Milwaukee burial, though. I would hate to think that it doesn’t match the Milwaukee picture.
I completely agree, though, that when you look at all the other locations (found, verified, or speculated), Salt Lake City just doesn’t feel right. My gut instinct always told me that there is one up by Oregon or Washington, just to spread them out across the states. Could this picture be one of those locations?
I wish the skyline in her hair was easier to match up with something.

A possible hit or a probable stretch:
Since early on, most folks have been referring to the box the woman is holding as a Pandora’s Box.  The legend in a nutshell states this:  The box, sent by the gods with Pandora as a gift to Epimetheus, which she was forbidden to open and which loosed a swarm of evils upon mankind when she opened it.  All that remained in the box was Hope!…..
– Now, I’m still trying to find out how long it has been around, but, there is a small store (which many say a trip to Boston needs a visit to) called Hope:
http://www.newbury-st.com/asp/merdtl.asp?id=461The
description of this shop sounds quite “Secretish”.  This shop is located right next to Prudential Tower “A green tower of lights” (V3) & just down Boylston St from Copley Square.  Copley Sq is the small green square on Boylston St to the east of Hope (not Copley Place) on this map:
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?co … on&state=M
A&zipcode=02115&search=++Search++
just another thought to ponder…..

Merlot Brougham

We’re all hip to this being the “Back to the Water” at this point, right?

Well, no, given that the lines in Verse 3 are: “Face the water / Your back to the stairs”

She didn’t ask me for a spot, just how I knew it was where I think it is. I have very coyly not revealed anything about the spot to them.
One thing I have going for me is my theory ends with an “X” marks the spot for me to point to, and only two 2’x2′ squares to dig in (but one I favor more than the other). Whether it’s right or not, it is a small area, this isn’t a Chicago thing where I need to dig up a lot, and it’s a much smaller area than the planter in Cleveland.
My solve has you putting your back to a set of stairs at the 5th “step.” Steps 1-4 have no stairs, you take the 5th step and there are small stairs. If you face the water and put your back to them due to a neat bend in the park you are staring dead ahead (*straight at*) my solve for “feel at home,” which is a building with a large (old) sign on the front about 1000 feet in further down the park. The wooden sign says in huge print the word “HOUSE” on it. My solve doesn’t require anything
Other than the book and the painting. No odd literature references so it’s easy to walk someone through. Decibal and Egbert I’ll try to PM you from work today with some info, I think you both at least deserve to know what exactly I’m looking at, even if you aren’t convinced

Merlot Brougham

Maybe a jumbled mess, but I threw in some confirmed absolutely meaningless Chicago Spires to demonstrate the same “filler” artwork.

I went to Boston University Law School for 3 years from ’84 to ’87. I passed The Castle on my bicycle 5 days a week. Now that I am looking at the Image 11 box and comparing it, it certainly gives me an “aha” moment. Nice work.
(imagine if, all that time, I was living right near a casque)

I ride my bike past here every single day on my way to work. The whole park actually. Never stopped to look at it. (The park not the castle, the castle was my
First though after Trinity/Harvard churches.

Xieish

Take what I say with a grain of salt, but the letters simply existing are not the same as being “here to see.” It’s
Not as though there’s a spot where you can see all of the signs from one place.
I’d need to see a much better match to the statue than the one I posted on the previous page or so. That isnt just a little match, it’s equivalent to the Juneau statue in MIL. Coupled with everything going on, you’re free to explore wherever, but I can’t say I’ll join in

I think all the letters existing in one place definitely works as them being “here to see” – but really I’m just hung up on the pattern on the dress and need to get rid of the tunnel vision
Your spot sounds super intriguing, hope you can get permission today! Looks like the cold and snow are coming to stay

Does anyone have a closeup of the gatework on The Castle? There may be other Image matches here.

jekatt

I think all the letters existing in one place definitely works as them being “here to see” – but really I’m just hung up on the pattern on the dress and need to get rid of the tunnel vision
Your spot sounds super intriguing, hope you can get permission today! Looks like the cold and snow are coming to stay

Yeah, if it snows it may put a freeze (har har) on things until the thaw. We’ll see – if I have to go the clandestine route bad weather doesn’t bug me too much as long as the ground isn’t frozen.
I think my spot is worth tunnel visioning on for a bit, because what this hunt lacks are dig attempts. Not that digging is necessarily progress, but at some point you have to start testing these theories and ruling them out, otherwise we’ll just go back and forth for another decade.

Very punny
muahahaha
The good news is there seem to be enough people here to pull off a “clandestine” dig, since it would also unfortunately be “illegal” at present. Permission for the win, though.
This may be a bit of a reach but… thoughts? :
With that BU castle THEORETICALLY being the castle on that box the whole thing could flow rather well…
Start at BU Castle (bc it’s on the box and we have to start somewhere)
“in truth, be free” – cross the harvard bridge, bc veritas
“take 5 steps” – those 5 bridges along the esplanade/storrow lagoon
“in the area of his direction” – towards the horace mann statue outside the state house, which also uses the “if thucydides is north of xenophon” part as mann was the recipient of that letter
“green tower of lights in the middle section” = simple green lamp posts on storrow
“near those who pass the coliseum with metal walls” – storrow goes past the garden
Then you continue with your solution which seems to be by the hatch shell, which is where this would get you.

*Shrug* If it really is disguised as the Chicago Water Tower it’s probably just something nearby rather than specifically on the path. The castle is 2000 feet from my start point and doesn’t disrupt anything, I think it’s perfectly consistent just the way it is.
And my solve has a nice fit for “In truth, be free” as well as the orient point for which way you should be facing when you dig at the “X” marks the spot image on the ground. If you look one way you can see All The Letters, but if you look out the other way, you see a statue of Athena, the goddess of Truth

Ahh perhaps on top of a building w/ her namesake
Very nice!

And “all the letters” has been there as is since 1973
I like it

Me too

WK had a good post a while back about “All the letters are here to see” But I remember an even better link which involved the castle in the center of the image being matched to a castle in the UK, which has a link to some letters written, and those letters now reside at the BPL…that along with the very close match to the castle house near the site seems to put you the area of the esplanade. BPL is the right area in my opinion.

decibalnyc

WK had a good post a while back about “All the letters are here to see” But I remember an even better link which involved the castle in the center of the image being matched to a castle in the UK, which has a link to some letters written, and those letters now reside at the BPL…that along with the very close match to the castle house near the site seems to put you the area of the esplanade. BPL is the right area in my opinion.

Horace Walpole wrote a letter to Horace Mann that said something like “there will be a thucydides at boston, a xenophon at new york”
Horace Walpole lived in the Strawberry Hill House in England, which looks a LOT like the castle on the box in image 11
WK said something about letters to or from walpole or mann residing in the BPL and said that one was titled “Thucydides” – I don’t think anybody has confirmed this other than that one post

shseverin11

It could be Boston. Keep in mind that the Chicago Tower was made to look like a windmill. We could have searched every windmill in the US and have never found it. I think the key is to find the small part of the castle that matches part of the pic. I like the Boston one because of the misaligned windows. Not sure how common that is in castle architecture.

shecrab

I for one am not going with the Casa Loma idea…the Boston pic, though the turrets and wall are wrongly proportioned, are very much MORE like the box picture.
Here’s a thought, however:
What if the box picture is only a metaphor? What if it’s saying not “this is THE castle you’re looking for” but “You’re looking for a castle-like house or other structure,” instead?
Another thing that nags at me are the swirls on the box–no one has yet given any explanation or ideas for those. I don’t think they’re only ‘filler’.

2fast4u2c

I just can’t seem to shake the idea that the castle on the box is too obvious and that if there is a building confirmer, it is hidden in the image better. I have been looking this image over with a fine tooth comb, playing with outlines and shading and such to see if i can find anything.

White9457

he focuses a lot on castles and check board patterns and moons and other cryptic images… some of these i think are just style and not meant to be actual clues. I’m almost certain that the castle on the box is one of these style things… it’s not meant to represent an actual castle…

digger7

I’ve been looking through a book called, Great Buildings of Boston, A Photographic Guide by George M. Cushing Jr. and on page 90 is a picture of the William Lindsey house which is now part of Boston University. It doesn’t have all the elements of the castle in image 11 but it does have some.
It has the correct crenelation as well as the building
to the left of the crenelation but not the tower in the middle or the tower to the right. The address is 225 Bay State Road and it can be seen on Google street views. It is not a perfect match but it is pretty close plus it is in the right area as it seems to be not too far from Copley square. And as an added bonus, according to the text underneath the picture it used to be known as “the Castle”

I came across something that I thought was very significant and was certain I couldn’t have been the first to notice, but when I searched the thread for theories about the castle, there wasn’t much chatter. I found one mention of it by digger7 in 2008 that everyone kind of breezed by because the hot theory was Castle Loma. There was a picture provided at the time, but I think the perspective doesn’t do the discovery justice, and it was largely ignored.
While I was making sure this hadn’t really been discussed well enough, I ran across a few interesting comments about the Castle that I think help build my case, starting from years ago. It’s interesting to go back through some of the information, knowing what we know now. There is a lot of good Montreal foreshadowing in the Image 9 thread when everyone was certain Image 9 was St. Louis, but I digress. As far as Image 11 is concerned, here are some good insights that I ran across.
Then here comes digger in Feb 2008, who gave us the answer.
Digger fails to mention that this is located at the intersection of Bay State and
Back
. We’re all hip to this being the “Back to the Water” at this point, right?:
Here are some pictures that display it from a better perspective than was posted in 2008.
Now, compare it to the castle in the image. Keep in mind that this building is called “The Castle”. Remember all of the meaningless spires and offset windows in Chicago? I would suggest that he’s using the same style of “filler” in this image. If you look at the artwork in Chicago that we know to be filler, and look at the box, you can chuck the entire central spire (that looks exactly like a every one of the superfluous spires in the solved Image 5), or you can throw out the tops of the two spires (that also look exactly like every one of the superfluous spires in the solved Image 5) and maybe get a better picture and see what’s to the left, because it seems like a very “A-Ha” type match to me. Maybe there’s a way to match up the perspective even better, like we have with Milwaukee City Hall.
Maybe a jumbled mess, but I threw in some confirmed absolutely meaningless Chicago Spires to demonstrate the same “filler” artwork.
I think the “correct crenelation” is critical. It has the precise number of crenelations (4) as the image with the not-quite-a-castle roof to the right.
I don’t think it hurts at all that there are spheres and ivy all over the place either:

I would think that it’s something to consider…as convoluted as it seems…Strawberry Hill is also prominent in the hunt in another city. The more that we research all of the puzzles, the more common things we find, like Lincoln…. I wouldn’t count that clue out just yet.

My #1 “crazy” theory is that all of the puzzles are connected to the bicentennial. I keep coming across that over and over.

I remember this topic and I think this bolsters the theory that the “ah ha” confirmation is going to be near the center of the image. We have fence and fixture and the columns for Chi and Cleveland close to the center of the image. If we look at NOLA and SF, we also have strong confirmations we’ve found near the center of the images. Here we have the match for the house on Back, in the middle of the image, in an area that has a lot of strong confirmations.
Also may I point out that it helps to go back and read over the forums to refine theories.

The link on the gypsy’s collar has always seemed the most likely “dig here” image in this painting. Mostly because it’s unique, cannot be matched to anything else (it’s not a statue or unique shape), and is literally lit by light coming out of the box. So I’d say that fits.
And yes, I’ve been re-reading each and every thread here in the past few weeks. I read them all when I first joined, but I have a much deeper (heh, don’t we all) understanding of these puzzles now and a lot of it has blurred together in my head since I first read it.
edit: I think one of the problems with this puzzle is that Boston is not a good city to bury a casque. I’m sure BP did his research, but I’m not sure he was aware of just how many old turreted buildings there are in Boston.With no way to confirm for sure you’re looking at the right one, it becomes difficult to actually zero in on anything.
With the known obfuscations in the other paintings, you can match part of the castle structure almost anywhere and hand wave away the rest as Chicago-like obfuscation. Not that I think this is the case here, but I have a totally different match for most of these shapes in my notes. And you know what? Neither is wrong. They’re both the right shape, they’re within a half mile of each other, and we’ll never ever know which one was correct, even if I dug up the casque tomorrow.
One promising note, I heard back from park administration and they didn’t dismiss me outright. They want to know how I’m sure about this spot. I told them this would be a one time request, because if I’m wrong, it’s easy to fall down a well of digging in the same park for 10 years (with infinite respect to MF who has dug in SF many times). There’s one other spot I (and others) want to check if my solve is wrong, but other than that, I’m friggin stumped.

It’s good to get permission…I think it’s interesting that they are asking you about a “spot”. I’ll tell you this, when I approached the Lake Park Friends about information early on, the lady who was working with me was immediately looking for the “spot” also. Either they know about the hunt, or have had requests in the past. Could be they are just curious…but it’s good that you’re asking permission. Of course the razors edge on the whole permission thing is, try to have a really good logical solution when you ask, as like you mentioned, you might only get 1 or 2 chances.
IF the patterns where the light is shining are significant, maybe the 4 on the wrist has a tie to this as well, or a double meaning etc…

I feel reasonably certain that this is the castle in Image 11. The old Armory at Arlington and Columbus. It has a lot of the same features as the castle on the box and is only a few blocks from the Library and Boston Common.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/101+A … 71.0700958
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armory_of … _of_Cadets

Spiritr

Boston’s historic district isn’t small, you need to focus on a more specific general area.

There’s nothing large or expansive in terms of square footage about Boston.
We have a vast and expansive history as a whole, but not in terms of square footage. Can walk the entire length of the city in 45 minutes.

gManTexas

I feel reasonably certain that this is the castle in Image 11. The old Armory at Arlington and Columbus. It has a lot of the same features as the castle on the box and is only a few blocks from the Library and Boston Common

Boston’s historic district isn’t small, you need to focus on a more specific general area.

Spiritr

Boston’s historic district isn’t small, you need to focus on a more specific general area.

Not sure what you mean by this. The armory is literally a few blocks from the library. Seems like a better fit than the BU Castle or many others that people have suggested.

I guess my reply wasa bit ambiguous, but I just meant that it was a match for the scroll work you were looking for, not P11.

shecrab

There IS however a MARKED resemblance to the decoration in the paving tiles on Copley Square.

Shecrab,
I believe that the square paving tiles in Copley Sq. were installed after 2003…as nicely as they fit with image 11.
In the 1970-80’s there were only gray octagonal concrete pavers covering the square.
I am still a believer that the casque area is near the library…My findings are not “the very location” of the casque burial sight,
I am merely attempting to find what landmarks JJP used to create all of the detail in his painting.  This trail, in my opinion,
has more than a few similarities to the details in image 11. (and no claims were made of anything being buried in the cemetery.)
AP

That scrollwork really intrigues me. Can someone find a clearer image than the ones from Google Maps?

AP….I am not talking about the paving stones on the square itself. I am talking about the ones in front of (and under) the statue of Phillips Brooks on the side of Trinity Church where the stairs are. Look at the picture here again…these stones are part of the statue’s base, not the part of the square that was re-paved. I believe we determined a while ago that they have been there for quit a long time, well before 1980.
If you keep your “back to the stairs” and “face the water” you actually are facing a lovely long green area with some flowerbeds and lawn and trees. A nice place to bury a casque, IMHO.

Unknown

Unknown:
I believe we determined a while ago that they have been there for quit a long time, well before 1980.

There is a picture of the flagstones from 1930 on flickr.com. Planks cover the specific tiles of interest to us, but it’s clear that they are under there. Probably since 1910 when the statue was erected.

WhiteRabbit

How many places are there where several people agree that there’s a chance of finding a casque, and that haven’t been comprehensively redeveloped?
I hope someone checks it out before we lose this site as well. I reckon it’s our best bet.

I support this. We need someone that believes in this site as well and is willing to dig.
Eric, if you are serious I will go in with you on this. Im willing to shell out some cash to see if this is the site.

Its only a foolish dream.  I know there’s some fast diggers among the metal detecting enthusiasts.

How many places are there where several people agree that there’s a chance of finding a casque, and that haven’t been comprehensively redeveloped?
I hope someone checks it out before we lose this site as well. I reckon it’s our best bet.

Funny you should mention this site.  I’ve learned recently that it’s really not a big deal to take a small garden trowel and bury something 4-6 inches deep.
It’s possible someone might be interested in starting a new treasure hunt, prize in the form of 100 casascius coins.  I’ve been agonizing over the best way to offer a financial incentive to motivate the recovery of some of these casques.
If there were a prize of some kind buried only 4-6 inches at just one of the proposed sites for a casque, preferably right on the very spot, would someone just stop there or chance going the whole 2-3 feet?

Well since you’re talking about Sarmiento and the 3 blocks in the dress covered in vines, I have often thought as those three blocks as the first three blocks of the Comm Ave Mall, starting at the Leif Erikson statue. Notice the leaf at the top of the first block. Possibly meant to be Leif Erikson. Then as you go down the dress through the next three blocks, where the sphere touches the block is where the Sarmiento statue is.
In Sarmiento’s Travels in the U.S. in 1847 (the same book the sovereign ppl quote from the NO puzzle is from) “Sarmiento describes the help Mann gave him and continues: Armed with these documents, and a collection of his lectures, reports, and speeches, and nourished with his oral instructions, I returned to South America and during these years have done nothing else but follow in his footsteps, his great work in organizing education in Massaschusetts serving as my model”
Sarmiento had a good relationship with Horace Mann. Walpole wrote the letter mentioning T and X to Mann.
Sarmiento was also an integral part of immigration in Argentina. “In his exploration of the dichotomy between civilization and barbarism in 1845, Domingo F. Sarmiento, an Argentine intellectual who would become president some years later, proposed Argentina should seek European immigrants to help populate and modernize the large Latin American nation. The Immigration and Colonization Act of 1876 became the catalyst for what would become known as the “era of mass immigration” “
How this relates to this image or verse, not fully sure. Could be a whole lot of nothing. At one point this summer, I was also convinced you could see the profile of his statue in the castle in the box in the image/ However, that is a different post for a different day. Don’t want to sound too crazy all at once! Haha! Also, having trouble locating the pic I made of it.

strike13

Well since you’re talking about Sarmiento and the 3 blocks in the dress covered in vines, I have often thought as those three blocks as the first three blocks of the Comm Ave Mall, starting at the Leif Erikson statue. Notice the leaf at the top of the first block. Possibly meant to be Leif Erikson. Then as you go down the dress through the next three blocks, where the sphere touches the block is where the Sarmiento statue is.
In Sarmiento’s Travels in the U.S. in 1847 (the same book the sovereign ppl quote from the NO puzzle is from) “Sarmiento describes the help Mann gave him and continues: Armed with these documents, and a collection of his lectures, reports, and speeches, and nourished with his oral instructions, I returned to South America and during these years have done nothing else but follow in his footsteps, his great work in organizing education in Massaschusetts serving as my model”
Sarmiento had a good relationship with Horace Mann. Walpole wrote the letter mentioning T and X to Mann.
Sarmiento was also an integral part of immigration in Argentina. “In his exploration of the dichotomy between civilization and barbarism in 1845, Domingo F. Sarmiento, an Argentine intellectual who would become president some years later, proposed Argentina should seek European immigrants to help populate and modernize the large Latin American nation. The Immigration and Colonization Act of 1876 became the catalyst for what would become known as the “era of mass immigration” “
How this relates to this image or verse, not fully sure. Could be a whole lot of nothing. At one point this summer, I was also convinced you could see the profile of his statue in the castle in the box in the image/ However, that is a different post for a different day. Don’t want to sound too crazy all at once! Haha! Also, having trouble locating the pic I made of it.

Great post. Go Sox!!

gManTexas

Great post. Go Sox!!

Thanks! Hell yeah Go Sox!!!
I wonder if BP was a Sox fan from NY. They are out there, I know a few. Would be even more reason for him to use Fenway as part of this.

‘All the letters are here to see’ could fit with that area. The street names are in alphabetic sequence, from the Boston public garden, following common wealth avenue (between Beacon street and Boylston street)
Wikipedia says this :
Five east-west corridors—Beacon Street (closest to the Charles), Marlborough Street, Commonwealth Avenue (actually two one-way thoroughfares flanking the tree-lined pedestrian Commonwealth Avenue Mall), Newbury Street and Boylston Street—are intersected at regular intervals by north-south cross streets: Arlington (along the western edge of the Public Garden), Berkeley, Clarendon, Dartmouth, Exeter, Fairfield, Gloucester, and Hereford. A 1874 guidebook[14] noted the trisyllabic-disyllabic alternation of that alphabetic sequence; the series continues in the adjacent Fenway neighborhood with Ipswich, Jersey, and Kilmarnock Streets. West of Hereford are Massachusetts Avenue (a regional thoroughfare crossing the Harvard Bridge to Cambridge and far beyond) and Charlesgate, which forms the Back Bay’s western boundary.

i dont know if this info can be useful but the name of the fairy is Hope

Here is another angle of the statue in the Peace Garden of St. Leonard’s Church
on Hanover and Prince St….in the “North End” neighborhood.  It still looks like
the fairy of image 11.  This would lead us to the NORTH area, well away from
Copley Sq..
On Hanover St, as you enter the North End, there is a well known restaurant
named “Mother Anna’s”….Their PR blurb says it “makes you feel at home”.
(JFK is known to have eaten there)…Is BP letting us know that we need to]
move down Hanover St.?

wow u are good with your images!
that is pretty neat about shaw being on there…..

i only see “light” emitting out of the box……….a beacon  ;D
always thought the fairy looked like this angel:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: … nal_01.jpg
with the rifles as the lady’s hair (in the image)
which i think is across from the mary dyer statue which says “…..to the liberty of the truth”
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/489050634/

(…just some further ramblings and field guide references, you can skip this bit…)
…so the blue figure is hope then. And the white fairy is faith,
The Faerie Queene
being an allegory involving Faith, Hope and Charity (cross, anchor, heart, from Corinthians 13:13). The artist’s models for the painting were his children, Faith being modelled by his daughter Elizabeth Clarke Copley, who married
Gardiner Greene
. His grandson
Gardiner Greene Hubbard
was one of the founders of the Bell Telephone Company. Field Guide reference here is the Tinkerbelles, telephone fairies, quotes Bell talking to his assistant
Thomas Augustus Watson
while they were working together in Boston.
(Another of Gardiner Greene Hubbard’s ancestors was
Lion Gardiner
– possible connection with
Freetown
/ Sierra Leone Creole SLC / Blyden.)
Re: “Face the water”, wondering about the frog pond on the common, how long that’s been there. There’s a quirky link from the Tinkerbelles to the Werner von Brownie two pages back – finger in the ear, “hold in your ear” in caps – they’re standing by a pond and frogs are mentioned – albeit “not quite
there
, but certainly at a safe distance”. The rocket at a safe distance seems to have “EDER” written on the side – what’s that about?
PI/P1 led me to the Maitre D’eamon, French (“a frog”), holding a snake. This is explained by the reference under Djinn Rummy to “the snake in certain French spirits” (cf fairy snake-goblet). I can’t find much on this beverage, though it seems to be “Eau de vie”.
Incidentally, Copley’s
father-in-law
was the guy who had the tea that caused the party.
(I see Horace Mann’s buddy
Sarmiento
puts in an appearance on Commonwealth Ave, bless him.)
Map shows positions of Sarmiento (ring), frog pond (cross).
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If Thucydides is
North of Xenophon
Take five steps
In the area of his direction
Five roads north of the library…? Commonwealth Ave…?
Or Shaw…?
His
portrait
is in Boston’s Museum of Fine Arts, but this also leads back to the
Robert Gould Shaw memorial
mentioned above. If you stand at the steps of the Massachusetts State House and look out over Boston Common, it’s right in front of you.
Near those
Who pass the coliseum
With metal walls
Face the water
Your back to the stairs
“Metal wall”…?

The famous “bull market” weather vane (on top of the dome in Quincy Market)
has this funky looking “thing” on it .From this angle,it looks like a backwards c and o.
Depending on the angle that a photo may have been taken, this could look like
the highlights on image 11 lady’s sleeve (elbow)…leading us to the North End area.
It could also be just an overactive imagination…
AP

Unknown

Unknown:
Shecarb,

LOL……possibly one of the truer things ever said about me!

Oops…Sorry,
Slip of the keyboard…

I am looking for photos of the Cross Street/Hanover Street area.
Apparently, Cross street was created/changed when the “Big Dig” replaced
Boston’s Central Artery (elevated roadway) with
the new underground tunnel system…some time after 1983.
AP

animal painter

Depending on the angle that a photo may have been taken, this could look like
the highlights on image 11 lady’s sleeve (elbow)…leading us to the North End area.
It could also be just an overactive imagination…
AP

I’m kind of leaning towards the overactive imagination here.  That “oc” would be a perfect thing to put directly into the P as it is…just like Grant Park’s Bowman statue.  I would say that even a lot of native Bostoneers wouldn’t even recognize that as part of their town.

But…using a slightly less overactive imagination:
Even at the angle of the photo, it lines up pretty nicely.  I am still sold on the Common though.

Given that this image is the Italian one, I’ve been playing around (really, I know very little) with triangulation in this image. Fun facts that may or may not have anything to do with anything:
If you start at the “compass rose” monument in Christopher Columbus (Italian dude) Waterfront Park in Little Italy (which is why I believe the gladiolus flower is next to the part of her hair that resembles the North End Port), 112-degrees (or 22-degrees from due north) makes a line that goes right through the Old North Church.
If you go 111-degrees (the number on the window frame) from the Old North Church using the line from CCWP, it makes a line through the WWII memorial in the BBFs.
The other number on the window frame may be 41 (could be a degree, or a coordinate that would suggest that BP messed up his Boston coordinates, or the casque isn’t in Boston at all), but it could also be an upside-down 16.
16 degrees from the WWII memorial goes through the Boston Harbor.
If you use those three points (ONC, WWII memorial, and Boston Harbor), they form a triangle that almost exactly matches the triangle formed by the three bubbles in the image (with the WWII sextant being the “north star” in the window). The bubbles seem more significant to me than mere indications of lamppost shape. And we already have multiple orbs in the image to serve as the “Boston Globe”.
I know this sounds like an odd train of thought, but I get a strong presence of Columbus in this image. I think Columbus was the face (CCWP statue) and hand (Columbus, OH statue) model for our “Pandora” (Columbus, incidentally, has been credited by many historians as having opened Pandora’s box in the New World). I think the flower and the port point to the compass rose. I think the globe and the space between the globe and the globe stand form a backwards “CC”. The CCWP statue of Columbus (and others) show him with the “orb on a stand” that’s in the bottom right of the image. To gain favor with native Caribbeans, Columbus would give them gifts like “falcon bells” (used in falconry to hear the bird when it’s nearby).
This all makes me think that some sort of rudimentary Celestian Navigation could possibly be involved in the search. That would explain the obvious degree symbols in the image. Even “18th day, 12th hour” could have something to do with it, as navigation coordinates using the earth, moon, and stars require knowing the year, day, time, and location. The presence of the WWII memorial that is shaped like a sextant (celestial navigation tool) reinforces this idea with me.
I just have no idea what it means, if anything. There are probably other interesting points on the vectors, and I only made the connections to the memorial and the ONC because I was looking for them. But maybe anyone else drawing those lines at those angles would recognize the significance of those monuments, as well.
Maybe that’s just a really complex way of getting us from the Victory Gardens to the WWII memorial, and the casque is near the memorial. Though I suppose that only leaves “18th day, 12th hour, lit by lamplight” and “in truth, be free” as clues.

i looked for this did not see it mentioned
i found this lady yesterday, she sorta looks like the lady in pic,
she has a shawl or whatever it is, draped over arms, but she
is holding a bowl, i like she is close to the castle… ie, hotel
and boston commons, and their is a little italy sign and maybe
the bird is on fountian some place
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image … on,_MA.JPG
http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=na … 1&ct=image
sorry forgot to mention maps for before and after the big dig
for those wondering what areas it was in
old
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image … raffic.png
new
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image … raffic.png

I do not think this is Boston either. I hope to get back to work on STL soon if Image 9 turns out to be STL then this likely goes to Ottawa. For now I will go on my own and assume this is Ottawa. If this is Ottawa then the casque is likely in the canal area or the river area near the Chataue that we think may be the box image. If this is the case then the Window is either an outdoor skateing rink pond or fountain and the shadow of the neck line is likely an outdoor canope like what is on the waterfront in Sault Ste Marie Ontario. I am not sure if the ferry with the jewle is a clue but I think the Bird and the globes could be key clues to confirming the area. I will investigate this further on my own and let you know if I find Anything.

A reel of string might be useful.
lamp —– lamp —— bench —- bench —–> casque <- bench ----- tree ---- lamp.............................................................
(15497)

Hi all –
After listening to the translation of the Japanese hints, I’ve been obsessing over the fact that Preiss hinted that for Verse 3 (thought to be Boston with image 11) he couldn’t give any hint because it would immediately solve the puzzle. I was thinking that it was a bit odd that Preiss hadn’t used any cipher puzzles – well at least as far as we know – in any other image/verses. We know he used a rebus puzzle for Milwaukee but did he use any other kind of coded, cipher puzzle for the others? What if his clue was “cipher” or “coded message”?
No there is no string of letters or numbers in the image that we are asked to decipher but what if it’s the first letters of each line? Or what if we’re meant to use some key words or numbers to help decode it? Eighteenth day and twelfth hour have never made much sense – yes it could be a hint to Revere but what if the numbers mean more? 42 in the painting seems pretty obvious it’s the longitude since that works in the other puzzles but what if the 5 – 12 – 18 in the verse hint to something that needs to be decoded? Maybe we read every 5th letter, every 12th letter?
Also, image 11 is the only image of the 12 with shapes that look like symbols – the ones in her scarf almost look like nautical flag symbols while the ones in her neckline are odd as well – especially the one square that is slightly thinner. Is he hinting that we need to work on some sort of code?
I’ve been looking at different types of puzzles to see if anything would fit well but wondered if anyone has explored this angle yet???
Here’s a good site that describes different types of puzzles:
https://www.braingle.com/brainteasers/codes/book.php
. I’m thinking since he mentions two Greek philosophers in the first two lines maybe the puzzle has a Greek origin?
Thoughts???

That last picture looks to be the year they remodeled Copley Square.
About the time the old fountain disappeared in favor of the new one.
Here’s a pic of the old one:
http://flickr.com/photos/47391132@N00/421224804

Fox,
The “obelisks” do have a size, shape and positioning, that remind you
of our Lady’s “shawl”…even being divided into squares.  Were they there
in 1980?
That shrubbery planter seems like it would have been in the right place
from which to see the “dome”, and it would have been within “steps”of
Thucy and Xenon.  It reminds me greatly of the Cleveland planter… Hmmm
AP

Shecrab,
Thanks for the great link to the 1971 photo of the old fountain!
The street lights have a much greater resemblance to the image 11 bubbles !
I am afraid that seeing the demolition of this area has raised the possibility of the
casque already being inadvertently unearthed (if it were buried in Copley Sq. proper.)
AP

I’m not sure if these were there in the 80’s.  I just noticed that they did seem similar to the lady’s shawl and thought maybe there is more to the shawl then just the symbols on it.

I had to go Shawl????
It took me a moment to realize what you are talking about., funny, I just thought she was standing in a keyhole shaped doorway…

AP, it appears that that large green shrubbery planter does not exist any more…at least according to googlemaps street view.
I really do like; however, that when standing directly in front of the BPL & looking N on Dartmouth St, you can see the dome that you pointed out which looked incredibly similar to the shape in P11.
I really still think that this is the correct area for this casque.  W/ T & X at the BPL and several visual confirmers…we just have to nail this thing down.

Ok, this may be…nah…it IS a stretch but…could the 2 ‘things’ hanging from our P’s lady with the odd symbols on them be something like this?

The obelisks and fountain were built on Copley Square in 1996.
We have already discounted this fountain a couple of times. Read through the back posts in the thread!!  Specifically, pages 12, 14, 16.

I meant specifically a link to Fenway Park. The Thucydides and Xenophon quote is well known far back in the threads here on Q4T.

Or a reference to the names on the bpl (not many great alternatives for turning those lines into a starting location thus far) though that has its own issues (X is not north of T)
I don’t really buy that the first two lines serve only as city identifiers
1. Doesn’t explain where to take 5 steps from (though 5 steps could mean something else like take 5 steps on the freedom trail or 5 steps on some other trail or short set of stairs where you wouldn’t a starting point for…. perhaps located in the “north area” (north end)?
2. Chicago and cleveland didn’t seem to work like that. I suspect there is another yet to be discovered way of pairing verses to images (or cities)
3. The rest of the verse uses vague language that seems to need to work from a starting point (like chicago but not cleveland). If T&X doesn’t give us a starting point what in the heck does? Maybe the image but that seems like a crap shoot
Also 18th day / 12 hour seems like a far more obvious literary reference to Boston, so why include the walpole quote (if not to tie it to a specific location as well as confirm Boston).
I’d be curious if any other verse experts have any insight on the purpose of literary references are. It makes sense that he would references to the city, but what other purpose do they serve?
Chicago and cleveland didn’t really use them. Are we supposed to consult the source material of the walpole letters or longfellow poem for connections to a location? Or are T&X a metaphor for figures that tower over boston’s history in a similar fashion?

strike13

Going with the Fenway theme here, what if Thucydides and Xenophon are also descriptive words for the park. The quote comes from Horace Walpole – WALL POLE. Green Monster and Pesky’s Pole? Two well known features in Fenway. Just a thought I had while watching the Sox hopefully make franchise history tonight!

That’s cool….I like that.

MrBackstop

The milk bottle is in the bottom right corner with the blue ball on top. This is one of the ways bowling got stared in its early development.

Going with the Fenway theme here, what if Thucydides and Xenophon are also descriptive words for the park. The quote comes from Horace Walpole – WALL POLE. Green Monster and Pesky’s Pole? Two well known features in Fenway. Just a thought I had while watching the Sox hopefully make franchise history tonight!

strike13

Going with the Fenway theme here, what if Thucydides and Xenophon are also descriptive words for the park. The quote comes from Horace Walpole – WALL POLE. Green Monster and Pesky’s Pole? Two well known features in Fenway. Just a thought I had while watching the Sox hopefully make franchise history tonight!

Go Sox!
Great thought on Wall Pole too.

dosethree

Or a reference to the names on the bpl (not many great alternatives for turning those lines into a starting location thus far) though that has its own issues (X is not north of T)
I don’t really buy that the first two lines serve only as city identifiers
1. Doesn’t explain where to take 5 steps from (though 5 steps could mean something else like take 5 steps on the freedom trail or 5 steps on some other trail or short set of stairs where you wouldn’t a starting point for…. perhaps located in the “north area” (north end)?
2. Chicago and cleveland didn’t seem to work like that. I suspect there is another yet to be discovered way of pairing verses to images (or cities)
3. The rest of the verse uses vague language that seems to need to work from a starting point (like chicago but not cleveland). If T&X doesn’t give us a starting point what in the heck does? Maybe the image but that seems like a crap shoot
Also 18th day / 12 hour seems like a far more obvious literary reference to Boston, so why include the walpole quote (if not to tie it to a specific location as well as confirm Boston).
I’d be curious if any other verse experts have any insight on the purpose of literary references are. It makes sense that he would references to the city, but what other purpose do they serve?
Chicago and cleveland didn’t really use them. Are we supposed to consult the source material of the walpole letters or longfellow poem for connections to a location? Or are T&X a metaphor for figures that tower over boston’s history in a similar fashion?

I’ve always thought the first couple of lines sounded like a mathematical equation, with “north of” akin to “greater than.”
If T is greater than X…

I’ve lived in Massachusetts all my life, mostly around Boston, and honestly can’t think of a connection between Thucydides, Xenophon, and Fenway Park.

In 1774, Horace Walpole sent a letter to Horace Mann that included the following line: “The next Augustan age will dawn on the other side of the Atlantic. There will, perhaps, be a Thucydides at Boston, a Xenophon at New York.” The first line of Verse 3 is probably a reference to that quotation, telling us to look in either the Boston or New York area.

MERLIN

In 1774, Horace Walpole sent a letter to Horace Mann that included the following line: “The next Augustan age will dawn on the other side of the Atlantic. There will, perhaps, be a Thucydides at Boston, a Xenophon at New York.” The first line of Verse 3 is probably a reference to that quotation, telling us to look in either the Boston or New York area.

or simply to take 5 steps toward Xenophon (whatever those end up being) or the area Xenophon is in.

dosethree

Also 18th day / 12 hour seems like a far more obvious literary reference to Boston, so why include the walpole quote (if not to tie it to a specific location as well as confirm Boston).

I have long suspected that the T&X quote was a general nod to the city of Boston.
I have also suspected that the 18/12 quote was a nod specifically to the North End in Boston.
The Longfellow quote is part of the tale of Paul Revere using the North Church lamps to warn of the British.
Paul Revere’s house is a landmark in the North End, the North Church is a landmark in the North End, and there is no better place in the city of Boston to make a connection to the Italian theme of the puzzle.
The biggest problem with this thought process is the lack of any rock solid matches to the painting. It would be incredible to have a Bowman somewhere in the City to narrow down the search area. Without one, I don’t think we will know which interpretation of the verse is on the right track.

Kalessin

I meant specifically a link to Fenway Park. The Thucydides and Xenophon quote is well known far back in the threads here on Q4T.

I see this as a starting point at the Boston Public Library. Thucydides is above (North) Xenophon on the wall….not actually North of it directionally speaking. Then taking the 5 steps (city blocks) to the West takes you down to the John Boyle O’Reilly statue which starts to tie together the Image with the Verse. Kalessin, I don’t see this as an specific link to Fenway or Back Bay Fens, just a direction to get you there.

Using very low-tech methods, (a desk lamp and a magnifying glass)
I scrutinized image 11 and found two things to consider.
The first thing is writing on the lower left curve of the stone circle window.
(I will not say what letters I see…as not to influence your ideas)
Second, there is a shadow on the palm of the lady’s hand, holding up the lid of the box.
Right side up, it looked like a figure standing on two straight legs.  Then turning
it over, I saw a bell. (JJP included a bell in the palm of the lady in Milwaukee’s image 10,
probably to represent Bell St. in the vicinity of Lake Park.)
Old South Church has a famous 2020-pound bell in its bell tower.
(There is also a very old bar on Union St. named…”Bell in Hand”…

Here are photos of the area in front of the Boston Public Library in 1984 and 1971.
You can see the BPL in the background…The globe lights…the “green” statues.
The old fountain (below) was there in 1982…according to the newspaper article below.
Now the question is…WHERE do you stand with your back to the stairs and
facing the “water”?
AP
Another Awful Urban Space
Boston bureaucrats doubtless believe that people who walk through the city do so with their eyes closed. They are wrong. A recent column, discussing the city’s least friendly, most messed-up urban spaces, provoked immediate reaction. People would like to see some changes made. Callers were in complete agreement that the front of City Hall needs some trees, even if only three or four clumps; some benches too. One described the plaza as “a barren wasteland,” another as “inhospitable,” and yet another as “a hot plate in summer; an icebox in winter.” An English visitor asked why chairs couldn’t be rented out in summer on a concession basis – 25 cents an hour – as in London’s Hyde Park. A humorist asked: “What fountain?” A landscape architect, associated with the firm that designed City Hall, defended the overall plan but felt the subway entrance at Government Center station could be made more attractive. But the “flaw” that drew the greatest criticism was one that hadn’t even been mentioned in the column, but should have been; a place that author John Updike once called “that cold slab in the heart of the Back Bay.” Updike’s reference was to Copley Square.
Roger Mulford, who recalled the quote, also recalled that the Copley Square design was the result of a 1965-66 public contest. He suggested that the runner-up entries, all of which were exhibited at the time at the Museum of Fine Arts, should be re-examined. From the very outset, Back Bay residents have hated the “new” Copley Square, completed in 1970. The late Dan Ahern, who headed the Back Bay Assn., called it “a sunken plaza, paved in asphalt,” adding that it looked more like a parking lot (“and is too often used as such”) than a square. It certainly breaks almost every rule laid down by William H. Whyte, expert on small urban places, about what constitutes a friendly public space. The Square is sunken and surrounded on three sides by barriers, making easy access impossible. It hasn’t enough trees. The wall, or berm, along Boylston street effectively hides the square. The asphalt is unattractive. The fountain is in the wrong place and for the most part doesn’t operate As a friendly, welcoming, open space, Copley Square is a disaster. It can’t even be policed easily. . . .
— The Boston Globe 9 August 1982

Off topic, but does anyone have pictures of all of the frames with names going around BPL? I can see some of them with street view but not all of them. I probably won’t make it into the city for another few weeks but I was just curious if anyone had taken pictures of all of them before.

Unknown

Unknown:
Solve & Solution.

While a solve can be weak, strong, or anywhere in between depending on a myriad of factors, most of which we still don’t fully understand, “solution” and “weak idea” are polar opposites.

Euhirudinea

While a solve can be weak, strong, or anywhere in between depending on a myriad of factors, most of which we still don’t fully understand, “solution” and “weak idea” are polar opposites.

Yes you are exactly correct, which explains the irony when they are so often used in conjunction.

Unknown

Unknown:
which explains the irony when they are so often used in conjunction.

I think we can blame BP in part for that. In the book he talks about determining the location, but never specifies exactly what that entails (besides the obvious). So that’s what most people are still doing today, even though he is no longer around to confirm that their solve is, in fact, the solution.

Cristov9000

There Are a few reasons to start at the BPL.
1) T&X are inscribed on it and those names don’t appear anywhere else in Boston and also point to the Walpole letter that gets you to Boston.
If the Walpole quote truly is pointing to Boston, the names on the BPL are no longer necessary. Walpole already got you to the correct city by using T and X in the quote. Let me guess, multiple uses for the verse line is reinforcement.
2) Its the only thing in the image or verse that has a 100% solid connection to an actual landmark in Boston that existed in the early 80’s
Wow! The only solid evidence you can find from the early 1980’s is those names on the wall? Paul Revere and Longfellow are turning in their graves right now.
3) The first green orb in the center of the image over the floating table is almost an exact match for the Science statute in front of the BPL.
There are orbs of every color all over the city. They are literally everywhere. If you are from this area, you need to open your eyes and look around more. If you are from elsewhere, pay us a visit and you’ll see what I’m talking about.
4) The fairy looks very similar to a painting done by Copley. Copley square is where the BPL is located as well Copley station is the closest T stop to the BPL and there are potentially more references leading there.
Copley actually lived at 42 Beacon St. It is directly across the street from the biggest park in the city. Ever see the number 42 anywhere in the painting? The (5) T stops, bus stops, named streets, foot bridges theories are shit. Plain and simple. (My personal opinion, of course.)

I know the BPL and Copley Square lovers disagree with my assessments and I’m ok with that. My only question is where are the
clear and convincing
instructions in the verse or image that instruct you to and from the BPL?

BINGO

All fair things to question.
I’ll share a popular item that I question regularly. It also seems to be the closest thing to a universal belief for image 11/verse 3.
START AT THE BOSTON PUBLIC LIBRARY.
Why? What image matches are there? What directs you to start there? What directions do you get once you are there? The easy answer is NONE, NOTHING, NADA.
The most popular explanation is that Thucydides’ and Xenophon’s names are on the wall and the building itself is of Italian design. Is this really enough?
Another thing to consider… The Cultural Gardens in Cleveland have Apelles, Pindar, Socrates, Thucydides and Xenophon carved into the surrounding walls. The Cleveland verse calls out the names Apelles, Pindar and Socrates. When the topic is brought up about T&X being on the walls there, it is dismissed as merely coincidence.
When the same discussion is had about the Boston Public Library, which also has all 5 of those Greeks, it is considered hard and convincing evidence. Using this thought process, if Cleveland had never been found, people could be searching at the BPL using two different verses. Solely based on 5 famous Greek names printed on a building wall.
Please, give me something solid. I’d love to hear it. People will wag their finger and say that this puzzle and the others don’t work like Cleveland and Chicago, there is more to them. What they never say is HOW they are different. How DO they work? It is lazy to just make broad statements and never follow through with solid reasoning or examples.
End of report.

There Are a few reasons to start at the BPL.
1) T&X are inscribed on it and those names don’t appear anywhere else in Boston and also point to the Walpole letter that gets you to Boston.
2) Its the only thing in the image or verse that has a 100% solid connection to an actual landmark in Boston that existed in the early 80’s
3) The first green orb in the center of the image over the floating table is almost an exact match for the Science statute in front of the BPL.
4) The fairy looks very similar to a painting done by Copley. Copley square is where the BPL is located as well Copley station is the closest T stop to the BPL and there are potentially more references leading there.

Cristov9000

There Are a few reasons to start at the BPL.
1) T&X are inscribed on it and those names don’t appear anywhere else in Boston and also point to the Walpole letter that gets you to Boston.
2) Its the only thing in the image or verse that has a 100% solid connection to an actual landmark in Boston that existed in the early 80’s
3) The first green orb in the center of the image over the floating table is almost an exact match for the Science statute in front of the BPL.
4) The fairy looks very similar to a painting done by Copley. Copley square is where the BPL is located as well Copley station is the closest T stop to the BPL and there are potentially more references leading there.

In my opinion, the fairy actually has similarities to TWO Copley paintings. One of them being his rendition of Revere.

If the box image is not a city identifyer then it is likely in the park as prehaps something on a mini-golf course or in the park prehaps a play area.

I am still sold on our box castle representing (not exact replica) Bostons’ Park Plaza Castle.  I feel that BP manipulated parts of the real building to create our box castle.  Remember, Chicago’s Water Tower is not and was never a windmill.
The Park Plaza Castle has everything that our box castle has.  It has the slanted roofline:
It has the “castle walls”:
and MOST importantly, it has the tower with offset windows:
By all means, keep looking…and if our box castle is found how it is depicted, I will be the first to say “Great Work!”…but until then……………

One of the first things is : 42 on here wrist (the longitude)
Second:  the Globe(s)
Third:  18th day, 12th Hour (Paul Revere Midnight ride)
Lite by lamplight
And then there’s X & T.

i like the beams of light emitting from the box (edison, nj , anyone?) …but all i found so far was mount hope cemetary in boston. hope someone else finds something better!

Ok Adoks, I’ll bite again on Edison, only because it is like 10 minutes from me.  Beams of light? Box?  What has it linking you to Edison?
I’ll check into anything in the NY/NJ area if anyone can convince me there’s a chance.

BM –
where you at?  I grew up in Woodbridge.
(not there now though)

A stones throw from Raceway park in Englishtown.  I’m actually in Monroe Twp.  Went to school in Metuchen.  St joes.

Tell me again why we think this is Boston??  I’m beginning to have my doubts.

Well, the BPL for one, but that’s the verse.  T & X.  The image looks Boston.  Don’t give up yet.

Thanks for responding to the Lane two twenty two post I had… was really just trying to stimulate some discussion. Nice to see it has.
On P11 and Utah, these are my thoughts (although I really love the boston building matching the pic on the box)… Please comment on their percieved validity.
1. the lat and long fit (42 112 exactly is hwy 15 on the border of utah and idaho, running directly into SLC
2. the image of utah in the cracks of the upper portion of the circular rock window.
3. does the crack that is the bottom border to utah image reference the rift valley (Basin and Range province) running in Nevada and Utah?
4. cursive SLC in the woman’s skit (from top to bottom – backward S in box 1 – looping into the lower case L – looping into the downward facing C).
Things in this image that bother me…
1. The number 3 in box 3 of the woman’s skirt (vine touching the top side and right side of the box), using the bottom loop of the L described in box 2, a 30 maybe?
2. The number 8 that appears inside the 2 of the 42 cuff… using the loop in the 2, a 80 maybe?
3. The woman’s man hands… they do not fit, nor does the black phantom, unusually dark cuff on the woman’s right hand (brigham young’s hands that have been pointed out).
4. The strange crack directly above the 112
5. The strange crack separating utah image from… nevada?

gManTexas

Next step, ask constuction guys if they found any weird plexiglass box…

The Langone site is almost completely demolished. I took some pictures this morning and spoke to the site forman and an operator. They haven’t seen anything, but will keep an eye out. I gave them my contact info if anything turns up. Believe it or not, this actually works in Boston. The last picture is from a call that I got a few weeks ago. A laborer dug this up and his forman remembered a conversation that we had last year. When he called me, he said that he had found the top of a ceramic box with a little monster on the top of it… He was sooo proud of his discovery.
Field light pole bases are painted orange.
Almost, A for effort…

Beware of the legeater.

four21, I see what you’re saying. I’ve shared my ideas on a few forums and had various PMs that will remain private. I’m sure many of us have. In just a few cases I’ve found people who’ve come across as seriously interested in a prospective dig site. I’ve been as trusting as possible and I’m told by them they’ll dig a spot based on my theory, but then I don’t hear back. In New Orleans, I was told “Yes, a probe made contact with something in that exact spot / now waiting for permission to dig from the city / received permission /…silence”. In Boston I’ve been told something similar, though no word on the probe attempt, and immediately no response. Then, shortly thereafter someone else checking out the site commented that it looked like someone had already dug there. (I’m not sure who said that, it was either in this forum or it was a PM which I no longer have since Mark Parry moved the site to a new server). I fully expected to hear back either way, and if by some miracle they found something I’d be the first to report the news.
At this point, I’m tired of trusting anyone. Most of the theories have been well traveled, so I’m not too concerned with what people are up to now. I find it ridiculous to think someone could knowingly use our leads to find a casque and then keep it to themselves, especially now that the keys may be redeemable. When that happens, then we’ll decide how to dish out some pain and scrutiny….yes, pain first, then scrutiny.
As far as I’m concerned, the Boston site should be all you 421, you need to get yourself up there and do that dig you’ve been talking about. Please forget the nook, it was never buried there in the first place, and use my latest theory that suggests “passing the coliseum” means a “slave has won his freedom” meaning stand inside the metal “walled” (fenced) area and find the spot which uses the image confirmers and is lined up precisely with the $$’s of the Somerset’s gate across the street. If not Boston, go to Rodanthe and give that a shot. And NOLA, I was somewhat depressed for you when you reported doing a trip there and you didn’t jump on board my theory for that site.
While we’re at it, I still want maltedfalcon to go do a new dig at SF. If that doesn’t happen soon I’m going to have to hop a flight and do it myself.

I will go back to dig at SF just to be absolutely sure.
but I am pretty sure I solved it and it is not there anymore.

Would anyone consider a giant “X” very nearby BPL significant?

Here is a good description of the what I think are the first few steps:

I’ve really been trying to think about that “12 o’clock” lately… I’m sure you’ve all noticed the two solid white shapes in the castle box — what looks like a wide arrow on the right side of the box, and the circle it is pointing to that is directly above the castle in the box.
What if that circle is either the sun or the moon, which the arrow is pointing to. Could the sun or moon directly overhead be 12 o’clock? When you flip the box to see the slab and bench, the arrow that I have been saying is pointing to the dig spot is pointing through the sun (or moon)… i.e., 12 o’clock on the 18th day!

Oregonian

Well, no, given that the lines in Verse 3 are: “Face the water / Your back to the stairs”

But of course.

boogieman

Was the tower of the church green back then?
http://www.brynmawr.edu/Acads/Cities/wl … 06460a.jpg

The cupola has always been green. I’m not sure if the light in the tower is always green, I could only find one photo of it at night and in that one it is green. This is the view of it if you were standing on the corner at the library with xeno & thucy behind you at the other end of the building.

scottrocks7

I have a relative that lives in the Boston area. I will be sending him this image and the verse we think matches it in the next few weeks. It will be interesting to see what he thinks.
I do not want to bust everyones bubble but I do not think this is Boston. The reason being is that we know either presicely or approximately the location of all but this and Image 9 that we think goes to either with St. Louis or Montreal. We know that one casque is in Canada. We also think a casque is in St. Louis.
This means that if this thinking is true then this is most likely the Canadian casque. I think the box image is Casa Loma in Toronto. Alot of areas in the Toronto area seem to match this verse.

Hi Scott, I think the dog and horse lamp post in Montreal is a dead on match for image 9, I didn’t know there were doubts about that…..but I’m new so I have alot to catch up on. Is there anything in image 11 verse 3 besides Casa Loma that match up to Toronto? Why do you think a casque is in St. Louis? Is there something in the book other than images and verse that gives clues about locations?

insatiable

Why do you think a casque is in St. Louis? Is there something in the book other than images and verse that gives clues about locations?

The author has went on record as saying there was a casque in St. Louis.

2fast4u2c

The author has went on record as saying there was a casque in St. Louis.

oh I didn’t know that. TY 2fast
Could one of the other locations possibly be wrong? I haven’t read all of the threads for the other images and verses, I only looked at what is on the secret wiki and based on that some of the other matches are weak ones….maybe there are more connections listed somewhere else that I’m not seeing.

boogieman

With all the matches in the image to the surrounding area of Copley Square, the only thing that can take us away from there is possibly the five steps.  I think we should look at all the steps around the park and buildings.  But why is Thucy south of Xeno and we have the Old South Church clearly in the image?  Hey, wait a minute…Anybody see this?  Take five steps in the area of his direction?  He’s south, head for the Old South Church which is North?

Maybe this is too much free association?  Revere hung the lanterns from the steeple of Old North Church.  But if Thucy is really south of Xeno, then north and south are backwards, and we have Old South Church with its green “lantern.”

I have a relative that lives in the Boston area. I will be sending him this image and the verse we think matches it in the next few weeks. It will be interesting to see what he thinks.
I do not want to bust everyones bubble but I do not think this is Boston. The reason being is that we know either presicely or approximately the location of all but this and Image 9 that we think goes to either with St. Louis or Montreal. We know that one casque is in Canada. We also think a casque is in St. Louis.
This means that if this thinking is true then this is most likely the Canadian casque. I think the box image is Casa Loma in Toronto. Alot of areas in the Toronto area seem to match this verse.

Hee hee…MANY of the locations can be wrong!!
The Wiki is only a suggestion–and based on the same inconclusive information we all have.
BP has stated in writing that there
is
a casque in St. Louis and a casque in Canada–but he does not say where. I do not believe that Image 11 has anything to do with Canada–we’ve found too many confirmers for Boston.

lizardlips

Maybe this is too much free association?  Revere hung the lanterns from the steeple of Old North Church.  But if Thucy is really south of Xeno, then north and south are backwards, and we have Old South Church with its green “lantern.”

Ooooh, I like that line of thinking… It reminds me of that line from Star Trek II, where Spock says “If we go by the book, hours would seem like days”, and then speaks in code about how much time they need.  It’s like a key that helps you unlock the meaning of what comes next.  If T is north of X… but it isn’t — it’s south — so exchange south for north.

GPR could easily run you over 1,000 dollars per day for one rented machine. If it was cheaper I would have gone that route too. E, if you think you’ve got a spot, I would recommend making a craigslist post explaining the dig and how much you’re willing to pay to get it excavated. I received about 25 inquiries from people who wanted to dig for me for only $30. Any time in the future that I have a specific location theory, I’ll be finding someone off of craigslist to do my digging. Many people from CL aren’t concerned with the legalities of digging or the risk that come with it, and you can FaceTime them like I do to obverse the whole process in detail and assure you’re getting what you want for your money. I did this from my couch in Cali for $30. Hope this inspires someone else to get their hole dug

I’m not interested in paying a random person to dig. I’m looking for someone local to advocate my theory and supervise the legitimate investigation of a site, make a call to an expert in handling the GPR and get their rate quote. I want someone to give me a real number to work with. I sure I have enough to cover someones expenses, but that may change…soon. i’m in talks with someone who would be a competent advocate but they also require travel and lodging expenses.
I’m not concerned with digging yet, first and foremost I just want some actual GPR data to support a legitimate dig attempt.

I see a few problems with the “pay some random guy on Craigslist to dig holes” method.
When the DCR (Dept of Conservation and Recreation) starts having people arrested for digging random holes in public property, legal permission won’t be granted for legit digs anymore, and the MA State Police (who have jurisdiction) will be on the lookout for random people digging random holes.
I’m going to go ahead and guess that you’ll run out of interest, and possibly out of money you want to spend on hole digging, before the casque is found. Read the tale of digging in Chicago — even with Preiss’ personal guidance, it wasn’t easy to find the casque in its correct spot. In Cleveland, they had to dig out a good part of the oversized shrubbery planter, and the lucite box and casque inside were somewhat damaged.
And really, if your remote-hired random digger DOES find the casque, what’s to stop them from picking it up, turning off their phone, boarding an MBTA train, and vanishing with the obvious prize?

I know this is nothing new, but I was admiring how JJP hid the longitude/Latitude of boston in the image
upright its the latitude 42.2 degrees , flip it over its the longitude 70- 71.1

Merlot Brougham

But of course.

At this point I have seen nothing that indicates this was anyplace other than mother’s rest

Come to Boston and I’ll show you.

The one on the right almost looks like the top of a chess pawn.
FWIW, I saw this while looking through pictures of Boston Common…

forest_blight

Maybe 70 or 71 backwards?

Upon further review, it makes a perfect 70 when flipped horizontally.  Which, if correct, puts out where?  Provincetown, Cape Cod?

Jambone

The one on the right almost looks like the top of a chess pawn.
FWIW, I saw this while looking through pictures of Boston Common…

Nice… Sure looks like it has been around a while.  We could use something more from Boston Common though.  Everything still points to Copley, except for the 70 I just posted.

insatiable

This matches up real nice.  Look at the base and look at the base in image11.  Stuck in Copley…..still!
edit: my bad, insatiable, I didn’t pick up on this til’ now.  If our “window” is somehow in the courtyard, I’m driving up with a shovel.
BP nor anyone associated with the book owns the property of the BPL, do they?

insatiable

e way back through Boston Common we bought roasted nuts from a street vendor so my BF could feed them to the squirrels…they are everywhere and very friendly….my BF picked the only one with people problems to feed and got his hand mauled lol

Keep an eye on BF’s hand.  Squirrels carry some nasty diseases, including rabies.

Well, just to throw another iron in the fire —
We might consider Seattle, WA.  Why?
Washington was the 42nd state. (42 on cuff)
Seattle is known as The Emerald City. (green gem)
Washington is the Evergreen State.
Washington’s State insect is the Green Darner Dragonfly.(green-winged fairy)
State flower is the pink rhododendron (is that the flower in the picture?)
Just some thoughts…

Permission granted, working out the dates because the park archaelogist wants to come along.
As the park is now 100% aware of the site (down to a 5 foot location) I feel comfortable sharing some of the solution that I haven’t posted here, as they’re now watching it for illegal digging (in case I bail on the lengthy permit process) .
The final spot is an area on the ground that is illustrated in the image. The final stanza to the poem is the key, but the entire poem leads you from a starting location on a straight, uninterrupted, completely intuitive walking path to the shape on the ground I’m about to show.
(found by Four21thrasher earlier this year, incredible amounts of credit go to him for his hard work on this puzzle. I live here and he took it further than I have in a few years of trying.)
Face the water
Your back to the stairs
Feel at home
All the letters
Are here to see
Eighteenth day
Twelfth hour
Lit by lamplight
In truth, be free.
I won’t bore you with the earlier details, but the first few steps lead you on a walk from the Storrow Memorial Compass Rose at the Charles River Esplanade to the DCR Memorial Hatch Shell (here’s the bicentennial popping up again…). When you reach the Hatch shell, there are 4 things of note.
1- There is a set of stairs leading up a small footbridge. When you place your back to these stairs and face the water you are pointed
directly
at an old, historic building: The Community Boating Building. On its front is a large, old, wooden sign that says “BOAT HOUSE” [Feel at home]
2- There is a statue which I posted earlier has the same left arm as the Gypsy in Image #11. I posted this earlier in the thread, but here it is again. The statue is holding a book while our gypsy is holding a box, but the pose is perfect.
3- There is a statue that has the same
right arm
as the Gypsy in Image #11. This is the exact same type of solution we’re seeing in Milwaukee – multiple nearby statues composited to form the figure in the image. Again, the pose from the correct angle is perfect, down to the “OK” sign made by the fingers.
4- The Hatch Shell itself is hidden in the painting.
(apologies to 421 for use of his image without permission)
These objects in close proximity to the hatch shell are beyond a reasonable doubt for this park.
When you walk from the stairs to the Boat House, 50 feet in front of you (in the same direction you’ve been walking the entire time) is the
LONGFELLOW BRIDGE
(Eighteenth Day, Twelfth Hour). Directly past the bridge the park changes name. There is a large boulder that is visible as you walk under the bridge that was placed there in 1973. The boulder has carved on it
LEDERMAN FIELD
(All the letters) and is visible from the spot I’m about to show you.
Now, we’re looking for a spot that is lit by lamplight, and one also illustrated by the painting:
The lamp coming out of the box is notable for 2 reasons.
1- It is shining on the piece of her collar that doesn’t match the others. Please take note of the shape which is “lit by lamplight” in the painting (this is the Image/Verse ‘callback’ or ‘link’ for Painting #11, and also the “DIG HERE” marker)
2- The pattern of the light coming out of the box is fan shaped and specific. More on this later.
So we’re looking for a spot with the shape seen on the Gypsy’s collar. Oh, hello there.
This spot on the ground is interesting, it’s the same exact shape as on the Gypsy’s collar. But where is it in relation to everything else?
Here is a picture of the LONGFELLOW BRIDGE taken from this exact spot on the ground:
http://i.imgur.com/wdHu7Q8.jpg
Here is a picture of the LEDERMAN FIELD boulder taken from this exact spot on the ground. The words are only visible from this spot, the letters face in toward the bridge, it’s visible for ~25-30 feet and then behind you.
http://i.imgur.com/6Wg0xxB.jpg
Here is a picture of the shape in the ground
. You’ll note there is a lamp post right next to it (LIT BY LAMPLIGHT). Let’s look closer at the lamp. (this is another 100% credit to Four21thrasher)
The pattern of light coming out of the box matches the underside of the lamp. Here is a picture I took standing on the shape in the ground.
When you are standing on this exact spot, when you look out over the Charles River, you are looking directly at the Athenaeum Press Building. On top of the building is a large, clearly visible statue of Athena, the Greek Goddess of Truth. (IN TRUTH, BE FREE)
So there you go. This is the final part of the solution to Image #11, Boston. I will be digging it up as soon as I possibly can. I don’t think the fear is honestly very high, but you
will
get arrested if you try and dig there without a permit. The park employees are aware of my dig and will be on site when we dig.
There are many, many more tiny matches throughout this park, including three “smoking guns” that all exist at the start location. Polaroid level matches. There has been no doubt that this is the correct park in my mind since Four21 first discovered it, but this is the full solve.

Unknown

Unknown:
Whitey9457
To me, it looks like a good way to start both of them would be by identifying the state using the image (both had a rough outline of the state) and then using coordinates to pinpoint a city and a few key identifiers from the city…(although after looking, I can’t find any state outlines in any other images really unless you count the shape of Wyoming or Colorado which are basically just squares/rectangles).
http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/h … 31#p127131

im doing this from memory, so if im wrong please chime in and correct me please
a lot of them are in the negative space , on my old puter i had imgs of this stuff
but the drive died, and i really dont want to do it again
state outline rough imgs
img 1, CA, next to her right arm, shoulder to elbow, and front of dress is GGpk
img 2, SC, on the head of the mask
img 3, NC. rotate img 90 dg right, next to the bells is roanoke isl, next to the isl is
outline of NC, has the tip of key hanging in it you need to rotate img right
img 4, OH. next to the monument, on left above grey area
img 5, IL. next to hat/helmet on left, reverse img
img 6, FL. flip and reverse img,the  jewel is lake okeechobee
img 7, LA. horse/wolf head in checker pattern, flip rotate
img 8, TX. i dont remember, i think it might have been the pig head on pillar
flipped and reversed
img 9, i dont remember,seems like it was something about the face and collar
img,10, WS. IIRC, it is in the negative space under right hand, flip reverse
img 11,MA. left side of woman, flip img over, use line of wall, and space around the
bird claw and bar of the bird perch
img 12, NY. rotate right 90 dg, follow bottom of robe and the shadow on the
bottom of the robe

Whitey9457, if you can find one of these in boston, ill go with img 9 as boston

WhiteRabbit, thanks now i dont have to track book down all the time
http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/file/fet … et_OCR.pdf

cw0909

Whitey9457, if you can find one of these in boston, ill go with img 9 as boston

lol i clearly haven’t made it far enough in the comments on image 9… where was that located? I suppose I’ll find out in that thread eventually…

sorry yes here is where the legeater is (as it is known), sorry i have forgotten
the posters name
Mount Stephen Club
1440 rue drummond  Montréal
http://goo.gl/maps/DpGkD
found a post about some of what had been going on with the legeater,ravel07 was the finder of
the legeater
http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/h … 68#p127168

MrBackstop

The top is the location of the JBO Statue in 1977. The bottom is in 1995 after its relocation (where it sits today).
Boylston and Fenway Streets were reconstructed and the monument was moved (+/- 45 feet) from the center of the intersection to the edge of the road closer to Mother’s Rest.
At one time, I found information that had the details and timing of the project, but I can’t seem to locate it at the moment. From memory, I believe the project happened shortly after the book was published (definitely between 1977 and 1991 from the available aerial photos). If this is correct, any theories that include the current statue location and its surroundings may have continuity issues.
Anyone interested in the Boston puzzle should check out mapjunction.com. It allows you to pull up historical aerial photos and overlay different years on top of each other. Extremely valuable when trying to determine the history of certain locations in Boston.
photo direct link:
https://i.imgur.com/9VjqSz3.png

It did have radio and TV broadcast antennas tower then, I think.
They had radio and TV’s then!

Radio, TV, or cell antennas aside. That is a weak image match at best for 1982 or today. Absolutely nowhere near the quality that would be required to put it in the Cleveland or Chicago category.
Call me a prick, I’m just being honest.

One thing we should all agree on, she (or he) has a bad choppy haircut.

Well this is a picture dated 1976 from digitalcommonwealth.org so I don’t see where you see a problem.

Choice

Get the shoe horn.

Can’t….you’ve had a firm grip on it for about 4 months.

Mister EZ

Can’t….you’ve had a firm grip on it for about 4 months.

They are saying it’s not a strong enough match. It looks like a random occurrence. You could grab a vertical line from any structure or statue and call it that.

While I wholeheartedly agree, I thought the point of this forum was to share information and work towards finding these casques. There have been far weaker connections made or mentioned within a number of these puzzles that didn’t receive nearly as much criticism. It was just an observation after all, but I apologize for having shared it.

Don’t get discouraged. Take it as constructive criticism. I’ve been through this many times myself and I was told to get a thicker skin!

mysteriousnesss

While I wholeheartedly agree, I thought the point of this forum was to share information and work towards finding these casques. There have been far weaker connections made or mentioned within a number of these puzzles that didn’t receive nearly as much criticism. It was just an observation after all, but I apologize for having shared it.

Would you prefer the entire Secret community band together and cheer you on in support of your find? Or would you like to be part of a real and honest discussion about it?
I don’t believe anyone is trying to be rude or disrespectful to you in any way.
I won’t speak for others, but it’s just not a good match in my opinion. Ideas should be discussed on this forum with the ultimate goal of locating a casque. This includes the support of good ideas and the debunking of bad ones. If you truly believe that your discovery is of great value, then by all means, argue your point. Sensitivity should be checked while logging in.

I’m going to Masha

People will always have opinions.
A visual comparison only merits attention either when it is an undeniably perfect match or if it’s just a similarity that comes with a supporting reason to be at some particular viewing angle or there’s a particular point in the progression as the puzzle unfolds. Things get especially difficult especially when we have a basis we call “progress” and then we cherry pick to settle our bias.
For me, the bias is all about the Landlord’s Tale. It merits attention because it is a source material for 18th day and midnight. I suspect the “truth” that is needed to be free has a lot to do with following a light’s direction. When Paul Revere passed safely across the Charles River, undetected by the watchful sentry on the Somerset warship, he avoided capture. It was the bright face of the full moon that obscured Revere’s crossing. I’d like to see how this can be acted out in the Charlesgate setting in a way that reveals a point of interest.

Choice

I’m going to Masha

https://youtu.be/btJFfMfH6Uw

Truth as in VE-RI-TAS… Harvard motto
Harvard medical:
https://tinyurl.com/y9k9bz3r

Choice

Truth as in VE-RI-TAS

There is that, but there us also “illuminaton”.

Choice

Truth as in VE-RI-TAS… Harvard motto
Harvard medical school:
https://tinyurl.com/y9k9bz3r

Get the shoe horn. Letters HMS maybe in the pattern, building symbols on both sides:
4 on her wrist and on top (quad).

mysteriousnesss

While I wholeheartedly agree, I thought the point of this forum was to share information and work towards finding these casques. There have been far weaker connections made or mentioned within a number of these puzzles that didn’t receive nearly as much criticism. It was just an observation after all, but I apologize for having shared it.

Don’t be discouraged, I think it’s a cool idea worth sharing. That doesn’t mean it’s a legit image match – but 80% of the stuff that people suggest are not legit image matches. The image matches in the solved puzzles aren’t really up for debate – once you see them, they are pretty much undeniable matches.
The shapes the end of her hair makes are very peculiar and it could be using negative space to hide an clue. Nobody has any good ideas really on why the hair is so prominently splayed in the illustration – as it does look like its probably at least one clue. The most common suggestion is that it looks like boston harbor piers but even that is tenuous at best.

Choice

One thing we should all agree on, she (or he) has a bad choppy haircut.

That is for sure. Seriously chopped up hair.

mysteriousnesss

Well this is a picture dated 1976 from digitalcommonwealth.org so I don’t see where you see a problem.

Well I could be wrong, but I thought you were equating the fuzzy jaggedy antenna on the roof to the fuzzy jaggedy hair on the image.
While you are correct the tall single antenna has probably been on the roof since it the building was built.
The jaggedy fuzzyness that sticks out from the single antenna are celphone antennas. and would not have been installed until starting in the early 90s.
So no fuzzy jaggedy antennas no match.
Now if I am wrong and you were equating some other part of the building, to fuzzy jaggedy. I don’t see a match there either.

I found some more things that make me think this is Toronto. First Toronto’s Lattitude and Longitude is:
Lat: 43,40 Long: 79, 24
Lets assume that the 42 on the bracelet should be interpited as 24. According to the wikkie you think you have found 43 and 72 hidden in the image. Were do you think 72 is hidden. If it is under number 112 then likely it could be read as 77.
Under any condition we could have Lat: 43 and Long: 72 or 77, 24. The computer said Lat 43 Long 72 was in New Hampshier.Though Long 77, 24 would put us close to Toronto.
The main clue on this picture though is the image in the box. I know we have had this conversation before but I think this building is Casa Loma.
Here is what to do: go to Wikipedia then in the search bar type Casa Loma then click search. You will then see a picture of Casa Loma that looks very similer to the box image. One important thing to notice is the wall in front of both Casa Loma and the box image are teethed.
Also look at the flowers above the globe look toward the right and see what looks like the maple leaf on the Canadian flag. Also the fact that the flowers are at the top of the globe could be telling us to look north.
If we can eliminate Montrial and Quebec City as the site of the Canadian casque it would almost definately mean that Verse 2 goes with New Orleans. Given the spacificness of the verse finding the NO Casque should not be that hard even now post Katrina. I will talk more about this in the apprpriate thread.

I just dropped this on my connection at the Victory Gardens:
http://tinyurl.com/7v9qyek
. She is going to send pictures to me tomorrow afternoon. She did not know how long the paths have been named as letters, but is going to have another woman contact me who has been working at the gardens for 50+ years to confirm.  The woman is also leaving for Italy for 2 weeks starting Tuesday, so she will not be able to do much investigating other than the snapshots. Maybe when she comes back, if we can get her interested enough, she will do some foot recon on others’ ideas (2C’s, etc.).

Thank you for reposting, Boogieman. My hubby and I would like to go for a long weekend in Boston in March. I’ll definately put this on the list of places to visit.

Be sure to check in before you go.  With Ringo bringing in some big enthusiasm to this hunt, I’m sure we’ll have some big requests for you.

Still keeping up on cell phone so let me apologize in advance for being unorganized.  I thought we agreed on the castle a few pages back.  I think it was a beer house or something. The tower was exact with offset windows and all.

Well, we did and we didn’t…I mean, we agreed to agree–but nothing ELSE could be agreed on with any certainty. Same ol’ same ol’.

thanks, slappy, good picture

I’ve been following this thread but I don’t recall a beer house.  Which building is the one that has the offset windows?

I think the beer house is the National Lampoon Castle.  If not, am I at least correct that it’s a building at Harvard?  Or did I mis-read that theory?  I’ve swallowed a LOT in only a few days of following this so I appologize if I got this wrong.

Unknown

Unknown:
From shseverin11- I’ve been following this thread but I don’t recall a beer house.  Which building is the one that has the offset windows?

boogieman

Thanks shecrab.  I’ve looked at that sight soooo many times in the past.  Even mentioned this one at Park Plaza Boston.  I never realized that it was two blocks from Copley Square and one block from the Boston Public Gardens.

——————————————————————————–
Park Plaza boston.

Thanks Boogie:
I like that photo.  I’ve spent hours the past few days digging flickr for simply photos of Boston trying to find such a sight.
I’ve also been digging through for photos of plaques at historic sites.  You’ve probably read some of the ideas I keep bouncing in with, I’m trying to find photos that can support any of these…  I don’t care if I end up wrong, but a photo speaks a thousand words as they say.
By the way:
Does anyone know of any photos of the murals at the BPL?  I SEEM to remember their being statues in there as well.  My memory is proving me wrong in a few places though.  The BPL website has some photos but not of the artwork I’m looking for.  I’m looking for something that could be at least similar to the fairy in image #11.  The fairy in image #5 looks like one of the fairies in the fountain of the great lakes near the Chicago Art Muesem.  I think the Fairy in #11 looks familiar, but it could be triggering the memory of any fairy I’ve seen and may not really be something I saw in Boston.

What if there was another Boston hidden somewhere in the image?
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5pNr … 2NXaHc4TVE
This one is debatable however.

So, the damn bird has been driving me a little crazy lately. I can’t make a connection to Boston that fits or makes much sense.
I have sketched the shadows of it, spun it around to get a different prospective and nothing seems to fit. One look that did start me on a new path of head scratching is this view of the bird.
https://flic.kr/p/Kctge2
The top of the T is a long nose, the lighted (left) end of the T is an eye. It reminds me of an Egyptian or possibly an African bird or animal character from hieroglyphs or something similar. It just looks familiar, but I admit I can’t seem to find anything that fits.
Any comments are welcomed. (Even those who think I’m nuts.)

I was recently inspired by a burnstyle post showing St Augustine wtitten in the weeds of image 6.
It’s not pretty, but Boston can be found in image 11.
https://flic.kr/p/EuoxuV
If this has been previously discussed, I apologize. I am currently on page 42 of my complete read of this thread. It is a long process…

BINGO

So, the damn bird has been driving me a little crazy lately. I can’t make a connection to Boston that fits or makes much sense.
I have sketched the shadows of it, spun it around to get a different prospective and nothing seems to fit. One look that did start me on a new path of head scratching is this view of the bird.
https://flic.kr/p/Kctge2
The top of the T is a long nose, the lighted (left) end of the T is an eye. It reminds me of an Egyptian or possibly an African bird or animal character from hieroglyphs or something similar. It just looks familiar, but I admit I can’t seem to find anything that fits.
Any comments are welcomed. (Even those who think I’m nuts.)

https://imgur.com/a/5WxnX
what you think?

BINGO

So, the damn bird has been driving me a little crazy lately. I can’t make a connection to Boston that fits or makes much sense.
I have sketched the shadows of it, spun it around to get a different prospective and nothing seems to fit. One look that did start me on a new path of head scratching is this view of the bird.
https://flic.kr/p/Kctge2
The top of the T is a long nose, the lighted (left) end of the T is an eye. It reminds me of an Egyptian or possibly an African bird or animal character from hieroglyphs or something similar. It just looks familiar, but I admit I can’t seem to find anything that fits.
Any comments are welcomed. (Even those who think I’m nuts.)

My eyes see the bird as a map of Back Bay Fens. The head is the Kelleher Rose Garden. The eye is the fountain and the beak is the paths that come to a point.
The body (slightly detached from the head) is the Victory Gardens.
The perch is Boylston Street, with the bright spot being the intersection of Boylston and Charlesgate with all the traffic lights.
The tail feathers are Charlesgate park leading down to the Charles RIver.
The underbelly of the bird is the Muddy River.
The raised foot (ready to dig) hovers above Mothers Rest.

Boston is here bro.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5pNr … HhLd3JIUWs
*edit bf5man showed me this

burnstyle

Boston is here bro.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5pNr … HhLd3JIUWs
*edit bf5man showed me this

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit when I saw the scrollwork in the panel of the pillar that he is sitting on. I have almost been hit by cars (on multiple occasions) trying to find that scrollwork on buildings and monuments all over Boston. It’s the first time I’ve seen anything even close.
Thank you for that tidbit.

Why are there always lke 50 general city indicators in every image? We only need, like, two, Preiss, give us some more Greek Garden walls!

Here. Throw up some more.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5pNr … 19MaHpNRmc

drunknerds

Why are there always lke 50 general city indicators in every image? We only need, like, two, Preiss, give us some more Greek Garden walls!

I know, right? I’m still of the opinion that BP made this book primarily for kids, albeit really smart and studious kids. Where one person might get one clue, another might get a different one. Still gets you to the city. I also think this was intended to be a group effort, not unlike a D&D campaign.

gManTexas

I know, right? I’m still of the opinion that BP made this book primarily for kids, albeit really smart and studious kids. Where one person might get one clue, another might get a different one. Still gets you to the city. I also think this was intended to be a group effort, not unlike a D&D campaign.

I cast Illuminate darkness and then I cast demystify

there was a rather large structure (building) in mothers rest from at most 1955 up until at least 1978. between then and 1995, it disappeared. it sat slightly north of where the playground is today, and almost directly across the river from path C. images are very hard to come by.
hmm. has anybody else found this, or am I the only one still investigating this theory?

I see it, it is good sized.  It looks like a boat house much like the ones I used 20 years ago in crew.
I’d say it’s just going to be one of those things that we’ll have to tolerate in our 30 year future frame of reference.  It bothers me presently in my Basin Street idea with Image7 where there are good reference points from three different directions but something looks different in the fourth direction where a newish gas station has been built.  I’m betting that there would be for sure a confirmer in the image from that area to complete the intersecting of lines needed to pinpoint the spot.
Try imagining how that would affect what you already have as pinpointing information.  If you’re set on counting bricks then it probably won’t affect your dig.  It’s a square shaped object from the end and a rectangle from the side.  It might be helpful to see it as a possible match to the teabox from that viewpoint.  That’s all I an see as helpful.  Remember Revere used a rowboat on that historical day.

Where did you find the picture(s) of this structure?

forest_blight

Where did you find the picture(s) of this structure?

google
historic aerials

Oh I see — interesting! Looks like the 2C was there at least as far back as 1969.

It is probably a much simpler reference to Seattle:
http://www.tc.umn.edu/~cabra004/seahawk.jpg
By the way, I was thinking that if a guy with a backpack full of clay boxes took a couple of weeks off to go bury them around the country, he would probably stick to major cities and he would probably travel on a single airline. Try connecting hub cities…
(Sorry about all the edits, this board works differently than some others I am familiar with.)

since the quote comes from walpole to horace mann, why don’t we start right there at the state house statue of horace mann?  the pedestals(in the image) could be the bases of the mann and webster statues.
and look, you’ll be right there at boston common
and maybe “his” is paul revere, so walk toward granary burial ground where he is buried
then find the right spot (in the commons), like a bench, close to the declaration of independence, lol

Wrong Horace Mann, Slappy….
There was a Sir Horace Mann who Horace Walpole wrote to…the quote in question was written in 1774. The Horace Mann whose statue is in Boston Common wasn’t even born until 1797.
The next Augustan age will dawn on the other side of the Atlantic. There will, perhaps, be a Thucydides at Boston, a Xenophon at New York, and, in time, a Virgil at Mexico, and a Newton at Peru. At last, some curious traveller from Lima will visit England and give a description of the ruins of St Paul’s, like the editions of Balbec and Palmyra.
Letter to Sir Horace Mann (1774-11-24)

dang! i didn’t even think of that ck
but how about this in the commons too:
the “oliver wendell HOLMES” path, named for his wooing the schoolmistress—-feel at home

Looking at the park doesn’t really provide much. There isn’t any discernible water unless were talking about the wharfs a few blocks down the street near Columbus Waterfront Park and I don’t see any stairs either. The whole thing was redeveloped sometime after 2007 but here is the street view from beforehand. The only thing I see that seems even remotely familiar is that the squared off area sort of resembles the links on her necklace. Aside from that I don’t see much here to go off of. I’d be curious if someone could check it out and see if there is/was perhaps a fire escape or a water fountain contained within the fenced area.

mysteriousnesss

Looking at the park doesn’t really provide much. There isn’t any discernible water unless were talking about the wharfs a few blocks down the street near Columbus Waterfront Park and I don’t see any stairs either. The whole thing was redeveloped sometime after 2007 but here is the street view from beforehand. The only thing I see that seems even remotely familiar is that the squared off area sort of resembles the links on her necklace. Aside from that I don’t see much here to go off of. I’d be curious if someone could check it out and see if there is/was perhaps a fire escape or a water fountain contained within the fenced area.

there isnt even that squared off area there anymore. it’s a dog park. there is not a fire escape or a water fountain. i walk by this on the daily

Haarstick

I can totally see that in the foot. That bird is going to drive me crazy. It has to be somewhere. I know there’s a similar statue in the courtyard of the Isabella Gardner Museum but it’s not exact and the other clues all seemed to be outside (on a building, on a statue, etc) – not in a museum.
I still really want to check out Mother’s Rest and the North Square Park. Wish there were images from the 80s of those areas.
In the meantime, I’ll book a ticket to Dollywood.

hahaha…dollywood! i was all around the mothers rest and the whole fens area a few weeks ago..but i also want to go back. i can take a bunch of pics of north sq tomorrow when it’s light out. i know the little park near the flowerbed area, pretty much across from paul reveres house, was just completely renovated this summer, with full concrete over the entire thing. it was a tarred area before. if anywhere around there, would have to be in that circle in the flower bed area. it is so lush with flowers in the summer and just a dirt patch in the winter..i feel like it would be difficult if the flowers were in full bloom…well…maybe no..i just have been looking at it every day as a dirt patch lately..i will see what pics i can find of the summer, to see if there would even be a spot for him to bury it in there. there are somewhat decent aerial images from 78 of mothers rest in
https://www.historicaerials.com/https:/ … rials.com/

strike13

hahaha…dollywood! i was all around the mothers rest and the whole fens area a few weeks ago..but i also want to go back. i can take a bunch of pics of north sq tomorrow when it’s light out. i know the little park near the flowerbed area, pretty much across from paul reveres house, was just completely renovated this summer, with full concrete over the entire thing. it was a tarred area before. if anywhere around there, would have to be in that circle in the flower bed area. it is so lush with flowers in the summer and just a dirt patch in the winter..i feel like it would be difficult if the flowers were in full bloom…well…maybe no..i just have been looking at it every day as a dirt patch lately..i will see what pics i can find of the summer, to see if there would even be a spot for him to bury it in there. there are somewhat decent aerial images from 78 of mothers rest in
https://www.historicaerials.com/https:/ … rials.com/

and…this would make sense with the wharfs int he hair to the right, because that is exactly where they are in relation to north sq

I’d love to see pics of North Square! It would such a tough place for him to bury something but maybe in 1982 it was just grass? Right across from a huge historical site (Paul Revere’s house) seems risky but maybe he could have done it at night? And check out the letters near the old public school (near the Ben Franklin statue) – curious how it lays out with the Freedom Trail. Could he have sent people down the Freedom Trail? If he was really into history and getting people to explore it makes sense. I love researching things so send any ideas my way! This has been a blast but incredibly frustrating!

gMan
Yes, it was rebuilt and introduced in 1982. So it would have been in process well before that and from what I understand it was barely moved to make room for Boylston to be widened. I’m sure our Boston members would know more details than what I could find in an old article. Also, when it was moved it had the same set up as it does today.
So the point is, if it was that close and the solve can still lead us down those stairs, then we still have an interesting area to search near the bridge. And yes the visual of seeing the bridge reflect off the water and form a circle is what caught my attention….looks very similar to the circle behind Erin.

Here’s a detailed map of the Freedom Trail – as you can see it goes by both the alphabet plaque and Paul Revere’s house. I’d love to be able to rule out North Square Park just to get it out of my head.
http://www.thefreedomtrail.org/freedom-trail/maps.shtml
Does anyone know if there are any other stairs in the Back Bay Fens besides the ones near the O’Reilly statue?

Haarstick

Does anyone know if there are any other stairs in the Back Bay Fens besides the ones near the O’Reilly statue?

That’s what I’m trying to figure out. If there were stairs somewhere that were removed to be ADA compliant, or perhaps there are some in other area of the park.

gManTexas

That’s what I’m trying to figure out. If there were stairs somewhere that were removed to be ADA compliant, or perhaps there are some in other area of the park.

Not to my recollection when I walked alllll around there a few weeks ago, but I will definitely go back soon to do some scouting.

Haarstick

Here’s a detailed map of the Freedom Trail – as you can see it goes by both the alphabet plaque and Paul Revere’s house. I’d love to be able to rule out North Square Park just to get it out of my head.
http://www.thefreedomtrail.org/freedom-trail/maps.shtml
Does anyone know if there are any other stairs in the Back Bay Fens besides the ones near the O’Reilly statue?

Hahaha…I am right there with you…I want to rule out the N End too…I have thought for a while that if it ever were to be the north end, coming from that side of the freedom trail, then i would say the green tower of lights is the old elevated 93, running through the middle.
I am still much more drawn to the fens theory, but i love entertaining and researching all, it is fun

I’ve been looking at this site
https://www.mapjunction.com/
that has aerial images from 1978 and 1995 of Mother’s Rest (and all of Boston). You can lay the 1995 and present day maps next to each other (you guys have probably already seen these) but the 1995 image doesn’t show stairs and the 1978 is too blurry. There was a building near where the playground is now. Maybe there were stairs that led to the building and we’re all looking at the wrong staircase?
I looked specifically at the 1995 Boston Aerial Map vs the most recent.

Haarstick

I’ve been looking at this site
https://www.mapjunction.com/
that has aerial images from 1978 and 1995 of Mother’s Rest (and all of Boston). You can lay the 1995 and present day maps next to each other (you guys have probably already seen these) but the 1995 image doesn’t show stairs and the 1978 is too blurry. There was a building near where the playground is now. Maybe there were stairs that led to the building and we’re all looking at the wrong staircase?
I looked specifically at the 1995 Boston Aerial Map vs the most recent.

good idea with the stairs being at that old building…i like to look at the 1978 mages because i feel like those are closest to how it looked at the time. i wonder what the building was used for? i saw it in the 50s images too