strike13

i like it! but i know that whole area of po sq was redone in about 95…there was a parking garage which was torn down and then rebuilt underground with a park on top…this parcel, however, still could have been there…

It’s a crazy coincidence if so. It’s remarkably similar, though they match that other park very well too.

roughdraft274

It’s a crazy coincidence if so. It’s remarkably similar, though they match that other park very well too.

There was a fountain at Copley square with an arch just like the one behind the ladies head and a water stain exactly where the weird line is directly above her head. Built after 1982.

drunknerds

There was a fountain at Copley square with an arch just like the one behind the ladies head and a water stain exactly where the weird line is directly above her head. Built after 1982.

That was wickedly a close match – it was exact…

Also, the boston not-so-exactly-matching legeaters are super weird. Was “goblin/dog eating a horse leg” some popular fad in statue-making?

drunknerds

Also, the boston not-so-exactly-matching legeaters are super weird. Was “goblin/dog eating a horse leg” some popular fad in statue-making?

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.350131, … 312!8i6656
back to the same spot again, the other charlesgate e, just past the lief statue on the left, near those stairs i just posted…i wonder what that patch of green is in the center is…and that big wooden thing, looks like tree trunk, but it is not, must investigate asap!

drunknerds

Also, the boston not-so-exactly-matching legeaters are super weird. Was “goblin/dog eating a horse leg” some popular fad in statue-making?

yes it was georgian

strike13

https://imgur.com/a/ybhSa
This park is intriguing

Can you post the Google maps URL link to that…? Not sure where it is…

strike13

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.350131, … 312!8i6656
back to the same spot again, the other charlesgate e, just past the lief statue on the left, near those stairs i just posted…i wonder what that patch of green is in the center is…and that big wooden thing, looks like tree trunk, but it is not, must investigate asap!

Here are some photos of the small park, the stairway, and a look up and down the street as well. Check out the number 4 on the awning across the street.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/145409797 … res/4q80Ap

BINGO

Here are some photos of the small park, the stairway, and a look up and down the street as well. Check out the number 4 on the awning across the street.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/145409797 … res/4q80Ap

Wow the 4 is a GREAT match!! awesome pics! if you’re ever going over there i’d meet up with you to look at things…

WhiteRabbit

Can you post the Google maps URL link to that…? Not sure where it is…

It is at the next intersection north of the 2c structure. Just a few hundred feet from the Leif Ericsson statue and across the street from it.

If I may add some more fuel to the fire —
If you put your back to the stairs in the photo you would be looking at the fountain just off the right edge of the photo.  I don’t know if that fountain was there in the 80’s, though.
Also, if you look at image 11 and read the numbers on the window in reverse sequence (I don’t know why) you could get “1910”.  In your photo, just at the right edge of the image is a statue of Phillips Brooks.  The plaque on the statue states that it was erected in “MCMX”.  Yep, 1910.
But, it is a VERY public, and open, area.  It would be impossible to dig there unnoticed.

hello everyone. im new. as you can probably tell and have just gotten into this tresure hunt business.
needless to say im excited that theres a chance that theres a treasure in boston since thats where i live.
anyway. i was looking over the image and (assuming it does lead to boston) the truangle shape on her left sleeve (looks like our right) might be the ctgo sign which is a pretty big landmark for boston. (but then again im sure there are other triangles elsewhere…) its been around since the 1940’s or something.
what im curious about is the weird mark under the bird’s tail, whether thats important of not.
i dont know if any of this has been mentioned before. ive spent many days just looking over everything that has been discussed
—>s.d.

scottrocks7

I looked over some of the posts and see what you are talking about. I guess we can agree to disagree. Anyway I have the address of my relative who has lived in Boston for over 50 years. I hope to get something out as soon as I can to him. I will have to send him this information regular mail. My uncle did not know his E-Mail address. I hope he joins this forum and can help you all.

Unknown

Unknown:
I am less intrested in wether or not this is Canada then I am that Quebec City is not the location of the Canadian Casque. This would mean that we almost definately have an image and verse match for the New Orleans. That is where I will be focusing now. It sounds very much like the New Orleans casque is in Storyland in City Park.

Unknown

Unknown:
Good Luck and Godspeed

I hope so too. As for disagreement, that’s what forums are for!
Example: I was utterly convinced that Image 2 was Niagara Falls. I still have quite a bit of information on that one–and I had quite a few very accurate and convincing markers–but when I read through the rest of the posts, I became more convinced of Charleston SC. Since, then, however, I’m leaning back toward Niagara Falls. That’s how this puzzle has been–you’re absolutely convinced of something, then someone finds something else, and bang–your mind changes.
We did explore Storyland in depth, I believe. I don’t think anything ever came of it.  Armstrong Park was also considered, but flooding after Katrina made that one a probable washout–all of this info can be found under Image 7.  In my opinion, even though there are strong indicators that Image 7 looks like New Orleans, I am fairly convinced it is the St. Louis location. Again, you’ll have to read through the back posts on the image thread to understand why.
After knowing where two of the casques were, we know only two
other
things for certain: the author stated that there is a casque buried in St. Louis, and that there is one in Canada, but we do not know where in Canada. It might be anywhere from Vancouver to Newfoundland.
One of the best tools we have is the Litany of the Jewels, the poem in the beginning of the book that explains where the jewels and casques orginated–which world-wide countries they came from. This matches up with a list in the back of the book that shows where in
this country
the types of fair folk settled. So you have correlations among the images: each image has a month, a time of day, a flower and a gemstone that it ‘belongs’ with, but it also has a country of origin. This should make it easier (I would think) to pinpoint where the casque locations are. Image 11 is Italian, a peridot is the gem, and gladiolus the flower; (I can’t remember offhand what time of day and month these go with, but the info is in the Secret Wiki.)  And so it goes.  Knowing these things ahead of time enables us to narrow the search to relevant places.
And to you, as well.

For those interested….here is a website with some photos of Boston buildings. I was rather taken by the Grain Exchange building…
You’ll see why when you click on the link.
http://www.celebrateboston.com/architecture/victorian/grainexchangephotos.htm

Once again, one thing leads to another. I also posted this under Verse 3.
Here’s a thought…
I was noodling around on Image 11, and came up with a site that had an interesting building, the Grain Exchange building (next to Faneuil Hall). The building had a passing resemblance to our box castle in Image 11, and it also had some elements of that image in the facade. When I looked into the building, I discovered it was designed by H. H. Richardson, so I googled him–and discovered that he
also designed Trinity Church
…where we have been looking. Many of the elements in the image are associated with Trinity, including the box castle, and the checkerboard images…and the collar images…So I googled the church again–and something jumped out at me.  This:
Note the arrows. Not only do they repeat elements of Image 11–the round window, the checkerboard pattern on the dress, the collar designs (see the courtyard blocks!–I got excited when I saw that!)  but also they echo some of the verse elements: notably,
your back to the stairs.
Could THESE be the stairs? There look like plenty of places to bury a casque, and with other elements present, perhaps THIS is the area we’re supposed to be in, not in the BPL–which is of course, right across the way from Trinity Church.  The “middle section” could mean the middle section of that courtyard–where there appears to be plants and trees. Or maybe the verse has been pointing to Trinity all along–it’s in the “middle section” of Copley Square itself.
I don’t know what’s across the courtyard from the stairs, but there would be really only ONE way to “face the water and keep your back to the stairs” if that was the ocean or the river he refers to–but perhaps there is a fountain there as well so that might be the water you could face?
This location might solve all our problems: Not only can it be located by using Xenophon and Thucydides on the library freize,it keeps us in Copley Square, where most people thought the verse led to, AND it satisfies a lot of the elements in the image

I looked over some of the posts and see what you are talking about. I guess we can agree to disagree. Anyway I have the address of my relative who has lived in Boston for over 50 years. I hope to get something out as soon as I can to him. I will have to send him this information regular mail. My uncle did not know his E-Mail address. I hope he joins this forum and can help you all.
I am less intrested in wether or not this is Canada then I am that Quebec City is not the location of the Canadian Casque. This would mean that we almost definately have an image and verse match for the New Orleans. That is where I will be focusing now. It sounds very much like the New Orleans casque is in Storyland in City Park.
Good Luck and Godspeed

Unknown

Unknown:
what im curious about is the weird mark under the bird’s tail, whether thats important of not.

welcome, syntheticdreams!
That would be the artist’s signature, JJP

shecrab

If you trace the curlicues you can, however, make letters out of them. You can spell “Copley.” No lie. Try it.

Do you have a starting point?  (and can we call them something else?
)

boogieman

Do you have a starting point?  (and can we call them something else?
)

After some additional research, I do not think the iron railing is relevant (even if we can find
a resemblance in them)
These iron railings are on the sixth floor (too high to be relevant from ground level)

boogieman

Do you have a starting point?  (and can we call them something else?
)

It’s my belief these swirls, as well as the ones on the contents pages are just a way to disguise letters. The swirls below can spell Copley in cursive if you trace the
C
O
P
L
E
Y
Here’s what I mean:

Lizardlips copley square hotel doorknobs—feel at home (p. 26 of this thread)
trohns typewritten letters–39 trinity place (i went from: feather in fountain, to quill pens to fountain pens) (all from the mark in the oval)
jambone’s boston T–the perch the hawk is on
and ck’s bus stop
piictures i liked that i chanced upon while researching:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Union_Square1.jpg
and this hotel:
http://www.venere.com/img/hotel/3/6/6/4 … ance_1.jpg
jurys boston hotel
say the tunic is copley square, the fairy is not on the tunic
.
(

i forgot this one:
http://travel.nytimes.com/2006/06/30/tr … hours.html

BINGO

I asked a Boston Police officer (a secret hunter and enthusiast) if he knew about this light. According to him it was one of many police emergency call boxes scattered throughout the city. I could not get any more information from the officer and
he has now made it clear that he has no interest in sharing what he knows.

Can’t wait for a crazy hunter to get arrested in Boston and claim police conspiracy

The Somerset Building has this logo on the iron gate across the street from the 2C site, two S’s horizontally symmetrical.  I think there are two S’s in the image that are vertically symmetrical.  Excuse my poor taste in font type choice…

your pics are of the wrong side of the bride… they are from the north looking south. those slabs are not on the south side of the bridge.  i would think burying near them would be a bad idea anyway, as they are set there to prevent eroision as the water swells each year. to be protected from this, the site would need to be higher up the bank.

Ah, OK. (Do we know the other side doesn’t have slabs though…? I haven’t found a view of it.)

Pacman remembered to eat his omegas!

Yes… we know.

.

Glossiphoniidae

*Original text here removed as to not offend* Love ya, MF  😉
My opinion is this is a visual match,

oh I agree it is a visual match. I just think that one part looks more like a Q than a C…
Im just not sure about the Verse link 2C  I think that is totally explained by looking across the water at the paths in the garden.

four21thrasher,
I love your solution!  I think you’ve really got it.  I can’t wait to hear what happens.
I found this shot of the bridge, although you may already have seen it.  Because of the position of the street lights on the upper right, I think this is probably the other side of the bridge, looking south into Mother’s Rest.  Thought it might help you in some way to see it, though. Clicking on the photo enlarges it a lot.
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/49198170
I have been re-reading about this image and I noticed something. I couldn’t find where it had been posted, although it’s hard to believe it wasn’t.  The mystery numbers near the flower, if read backwards, are 02211. This is the zip code for central Boston.  You obviously don’t need another Boston confirmer,  but I remember when many people were sure the 112 was a coordinate reference to Salt Lake City.  It just reminded me (once again) that a simple answer is often a correct one!

Wow, this latest discovery blows my mind.  BP simply reenacted sneaking past the Somerset man-o-war, the Somerset building in this case, and across the river, E. Charlesgate near the intersection at Newbury in this case, under the cover of a bright and slightly waning gibbous moon, the letter C is a good shape to represent the moon.

Glossiphoniidae

If you look right above the 3 is a street lamp right along the wall as well as one right along the street.
It probably directly illuminates the spot.

maltedfalcon

If you look right above the 3 is a street lamp right along the wall as well as one right along the street.
It probably directly illuminates the spot.

This is what had originally really make me think my solve was right… the lamp.
What do you make of the rock count? I had such a hard time keeping my brain straight hefting through those proportions. I really don’t know if I took that 18 by 12 too far and began to believe my own BS.

maskit

four21thrasher,
I think this is probably the other side of the bridge, looking south into Mother’s Rest…
You obviously don’t need another Boston confirmer,  but I remember when many people were sure the 112 was a coordinate reference to Salt Lake City.  It just reminded me (once again) that a simple answer is often a correct one!

Unfortunately, it is the other side… finding two that showed proportion on the same side was tough. I broke a sweat.
Check the boards… I strongly believed SLC for a while and got beat down. I’m beginning to think it was a good thing.

maltedfalcon

although I would have guessed 18 down 12 horizontal.

oooo…
days are measured laterally… you move from left to right on a calendar.
hours are measured vertically… 1 to 12 to 1… sun moving from horizon to sky and back down… look up and down.

I like this Paul Revere connection to the site I’ve outlined in Charlesgate Park just outside the Somerset building:
http://boston1775.blogspot.com/2010/04/ … n-and.html
Took me awhile to find that.  I kept wondering what the symmetrical double S logo was on the iron gate.  It isn’t drawn the same as the one in the dress, but it’s close in style, the building gate’s is symmetrical horizontally and the image is verticall symmetrical.
An interesting note, Sonnabend took ownership of it in 1947.  Sonny Sonnabend also owned the Terminal Tower in Cleveland.
This article is a good read,
http://ecommons.txstate.edu/cgi/viewcon … t=physfacp
The Somerset is mentioned in the Longfellow poem!  It was with the help of the moonlight that Revere was able to cross the river undetected.  Maybe the box with opening lid in image 11 contains a secret wrapped in moonlight, that secret being Paul Revere’s crossing.

maskit

The mystery numbers near the flower, if read backwards, are 02211. This is the zip code for central Boston

maltedfalcon

I would have guessed 18 down 12 horizontal.

Nice one maskit. (Handy pics on Panoramio too.)
12 has a lot going for it. Longfellow’s poem talks about “the spell of the place and the hour” and ends with “the midnight message of Paul Revere”. The “In truth be free” poem is all about “the truer time…the gladder time, the brighter time…the happier time, the Age’s harvest reaping”. It could be twelve bricks (most obvious), or twelve something else (feet, yards, meters).
I suppose you could start counting from the bridge side.
…always wondered if those symbols on the pillars might be significant…
(From the base of the bridge, pattern of five plus three-sided triangle plus four-sided square = 12)
That lamp on the right side looks a good bet for getting the general position.
This is the Richardson Bridge, named for Henry Hobson Richardson, who was also responsible for Trinity Church in Copley Square, next to the library.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Hobson_Richardson
I wonder if the end of some of these trails ties up with the start somehow.
Hate to mention it, but the slabs leading downriver from the bridge look quite countable too…bridge is probably best though. It might be worth looking twelve slabs along, but trying to plot a point to dig between those two gridlines (18/12?) doesn’t bear thinking about, though it might provide an alternative if digging beside the wall is impractical for some reason.
That line looks four slabs deep.
The globe looks worryingly like some kind of complicated surveying instrument, like a sextant or something.
* * * * *
One more random thing I noticed…
Eighteenth day
Twelfth hour
L
it by lamplight
I
n truth be free
51 letters
LI = 51
(I’m interested in Roman numerals because of the Italian connection.)

hey, if someone can tell me how to post a picture (jpg or bmp), I will be happy to post image clippings…

the john hancock bldg has an observatory also
http://boston.travelape.com/attractions … servatory/

http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=freedom … ker&m=text
isn’t that our circles (dots, spots) in the skirt
the top one is triangular, then a big gold round one

Unknown

Unknown:
the Guild Steps 1917…

That looks promising! Notice that the green “Beacon St.” sign in the background could be interpreted as a “green tower of lights.” I would love to see a side shot of the railing detail.

slappybuns

http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=freedom … ker&m=text
isn’t that our circles (dots, spots) in the skirt
the top one is triangular, then a big gold round one

They look very much like them, yes.
FB….what post was your quote from?

slappybuns

another plug for boston common
http://flickr.com/search/?q=guild+steps … mon&m=text
the Guild Steps 1917–in honor of Curtis Guild (1860-1915) three times governor of Massachusetts, and ambassador to Russia. The decorative iron railing was restored in 1978.
i can’t seem to find a close up of the railing.

It was this one FB was quoting.

my ISP was screwy all day so i couldn’t do anything:
this is the best map i’ve found for boston common, it shows where the sculpures are:
http://www.cityofboston.gov/parks/stree … common.pdf

and this one for the freedom trail:
http://www.kennedysmidtown.com/images/freedomtrail.jpg

another plug for boston common
http://flickr.com/search/?q=guild+steps … mon&m=text
the Guild Steps 1917–in honor of Curtis Guild (1860-1915) three times governor of Massachusetts, and ambassador to Russia. The decorative iron railing was restored in 1978.
i can’t seem to find a close up of the railing.

Glossiphoniidae

This spot looks really good in all other aspects:

Whoa, that is 1978?  Preiss could’ve buried the casque anywhere in that plot which is now covered with 7 foot shrubbery!

I wonder if it’s as easy as standing at a spot that matches just two of the light globes to the moon and star in the central part of the image.  Chicago and Cleveland had very close to casque image details centralized.

erexere

I wonder if it’s as easy as standing at a spot that matches just two of the light globes to the moon and star in the central part of the image.  Chicago and Cleveland had very close to casque image details centralized.

I’ve wondered the same but couldn’t find an angle.

using a mirrored image maybe?
Oh yeah, you should be called four22thrasher now, since it seems you’ve leveled up.

That “B” is not the nearest light globe… Your drawing is missing one.

I say it’s where the yellow X is placed.
Back to the water.
The F is for the falcon’s perch which is at the location of the last post of the fencing.
The large orb in the foreground between the two flat areas (one is semi-translucent because they represent the gaps, not the stone topping of the curves) is the nearest light globe(B) and lines up closely with the tall green lamp that I find identifies closely with the outline of the woman’s tabard.

It does seem off .  I also should reconsider the translucent aspect is really not, its just reflection.  My feeling is there is more of a reflection trick here.  Something about symmetry is going on…like the spot between two S’ s…one being mirrored.  Maybe that viewing angle isn’t available without being on-site. .

erexere

It does seem off .  I also should reconsider the translucent aspect is really not, its just reflection.  My feeling is there is more of a reflection trick here.  Something about symmetry is going on…like the spot between two S’ s…one being mirrored.  Maybe that viewing angle isn’t available without being on-site. .

You are missing my point… there is one of those lamps from the 2Cs
right next to
the box, which you do not capture and is very close to the green tower of lights. I agree, though, that there may be some reflection tricks at play. As far as the viewing angle, I think the one I posted is pretty on point. Also, if you are looking from a spot between the box and the water back toward the street, the fence post is in the exact position in relation to the box as the “falcon’s perch” in the image.

Ok.  That’s a great candidate.  I’m nervous about any digging close to an electrical box or lamp.

Me too… but, the box doesn’t have wires running into the ground. It sits on a cement riser. While it was removed during repairs to the overpass, the box can be seen in that position as far back as ’71.
and, while I have been referring to it as an “electrical” box, i don’t really know that it is much else than a cabinet. it does have venting, like something with power running inside would need, but all the doors seems to be left open. that is rust and paint peeling on box, so maybe it was gutted and abandoned long ago. maybe that is what the box is in the woman’s hands… we just open the door and the casque is inside  ;D
This spot looks really good in all other aspects:

…oh, I thought you were talking about the electrical-looking stuff at the end of the road. I see what you mean now. Although, like Erexere, I’d be wary of digging next to it…

WR, how do you discern turning left on Beacon and not right at the Dartmouth intersection?

I’m with ya on that fourtwo.  A forced bit here and a shoehorn there just doesn’t account for much.  Every theory has a side of something someone doesn’t like to eat.
The optometrist idea vs the victory gardens…I prefer gardens, but the oculus element draws me to the abstract eyechart.
The womans back to the portal pulls us into a rebus for Back Bay and puts us in the general neighborhood.  The curved line in the upper right matches the turn ramp without rotation as a basic road map clue.
In light of what we’ve found at this point regardless of how we got there has me less bound to the idea that we have to start at BPL.  T being north of an X seems more useful and BP flavored than a required start path where we see the full names written on the library facade.  There’s lots of other names to choose from and BP already used a strong Greek cultural theme in image 4, so why again go Greek?  I think it’s subtle and we must be cautious like Paul Revere to avoid being captured by a red coatted idea.  The Fraternity fits a cross-verse nudge as it is a first chapter…

thrash — another thing to like about the 2C location is that it requires the picture to get there — the supports for the globes. BP was clear that finding a casque would require both a picture and a verse. The two that have been found did not strictly require the pictures (they contained confirming evidence, but then… those are the ones that were found first. Maybe the others are more complicated.
We know the other verses describe locations in the vicinity of the casque location, not necessarily
right at
the location. So the “feel at home” bit could be pointing us to Mother’s Rest as a nearby landmark, whereas the 2C location is the one with the lamplight, the green tower, and the shape from P11.
Just a conjecture. I also admit there is a lot in favor of MR — like the fact that is within sight of “all the letters” and one can “feel at home” there. I remain torn.

…only that that way works, leading you on to the green tower of the Charlesgate Hotel, the CC, etc. I don’t think there are “turn right, turn left” instructions; you just look for the next landmark.

Wait a minute… the two casques that were found
did not require the picture
(except for confirming a start city), and you are attracted to the “2 C” solution because it
doesn’t
follow that same method?

I keep thinking there are divergent starting places.  Either Thucydides-Xenophon is BPL or it’s Theta-Chi at 528 Beacon Street.  This considerably shortens the wandering through town and preserves the idea that five steps as an instruction slightly out of order, which isn’t the worst of the nonlinear verse interpretations to accept.  I’m not that enthusiastic about counting five blocks or junctions.  I like more the idea we take five actual steps or paces to the casque spot.
Still I wonder about the “middle section”. What are some other possibilities?  Perhaps somewhere between Charlesgate’s East and West, basically the park with the 2C’s.

Glossiphoniidae

… when.

monday looks good
high 51,cloudy,low 40
http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/boston … ast/348735
and try one of these
http://video.about.com/landscaping/How- … Digger.htm

WR — about fell over when you pointed out that “green tower of lights” not 5 yards from the 2C.
erexere — try not to get away from “feel at home” meaning “Mother’s Rest” — that’s the main thing making this area an attractive spot, even if it might refer to something nearby rather than the casque site. This same thing was done in Chicago, where BP wrote “Where M and B are set in stone,” which was actually a block away but within sight.
The verse and image are a peculiar mix of clues pointing directly to MR and directly to 2C — inconsistent and frustrating.

fb i think that your right
feel at home” meaning “Mother’s Rest” — that’s the main thing making this area an attractive spot, even if it might refer to something nearby rather than the casque site.
see the utah shape under the lg cap stone
http://g.co/maps/hdjzf
now zoom out,see the light pole (lit by lamp light)
http://g.co/maps/t3rer
im thinking like 421 that the crack in the stone is one of these,and may have been replaced
http://justinmartin1.com/wp-content/upl … 00×363.jpg
the 2c is on the right MR on the left,the 2c is near by,confirmer
http://g.co/maps/k7rds
421 if you go and dig,dig under one of the cracks in the cap stones,maybe one
over from the utah shape,and of course you will be on ground side,so it would
match the img,the indent in the img next to the crack,is prob the dig spot
this should be this
the 2c is on the right MR on the left,the 2c is near by,confirmer
http://g.co/maps/k7rds
this,MR at bottom and 2c at top
http://g.co/maps/hgjk6
edited to correct view link

I wonder if “feel at home” had anything to do with a sizeable homeless population in park area nearby.

cw0909

monday looks good
high 51,cloudy,low 40
http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/boston … ast/348735

Unfortunately, I don’t think I will be able to get out there until mid/late next month. I’ve got business meetings out the wazoo until then (DC, LA, DC, SC). I’m pretty antsy though, and I’ve contacted the people at the Victory Gardens and am in the midst of working through a pictures-for-donation deal (they will take pictures of the back side of the wall for a donation). We’ll see how that turns out.
BTW – Could someone please tell me how you get to the 2 C’s using the verse? I am still confused on this.

cw0909

421 if you go and dig…

… when.

I currently see it something like this…(see above map)
If Thucydides is
North of Xenophon
(BPL)
Take five steps
In the area of his direction
Five junctions north to Beacon St
A green tower of lights
Head west and you get to the Charlesgate Hotel, a green tower, on “Beacon” St
In the middle section
Dunno
Near those
Who pass the coliseum
Marathon route
With metal walls
Hotel / box castle match?
Face the water
Your back to the stairs
Turn down Charlesgate to the CC for this
Feel at home
All the letters
Are here to see
Probably referencing nearby Mothers Rest and Victory Gardens, maybe also something else
Eighteenth day
Twelfth hour
Lit by lamplight
Revere
In truth, be free
Vague

Unknown

Unknown:
BTW – Could someone please tell me how you get to the 2 C’s using the verse? I am still confused on this.

a play on words.. Are here to see…2C
i belive its just a confirmation your on the right trek,from the img
see WRs map
http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/h … 21#p118921
view from charlesgate east onto MR
http://g.co/maps/yqbty

If we took this route (BPL -> Dartmouth -> Beacon -> Charlesgate -> CC)…
…we need a verse clue for Charlesgate. (Although it doesn’t look like it on this map, five road junctions from the BPL gets you to Beacon. The others are pedestrian alleys.)
Erexere has suggested the Charlesgate Hotel at the intersection of Beacon and Charlesgate as a “green tower”…
(…it’s another possible box castle…)
Another possible clue also occurred to me. One of the most famous episodes in Boston’s history was the tea party. Revere was one of the ringleaders, and the ship was called the Dartmouth.
Pandora’s box is like a tea caddy…
Perhaps the leaves are tea.
The verse begins and ends with a capital T in Thucydides and Truth, and “TEA” appears backwards in the initial letters.
A
re here to see
E
ighteenth day
T
welfth hour
Lit by lamplight
In Truth, be free.
So what…?
Char
lesgate, that’s what. Truth, T, tea, char.
* * * * *
This one’s just for fun –
If
T
hucydides is north of
X
enophon
Take five (-5) steps…

I undersand the play on 2 C’s, I was just wondering how you could get to the 2 C location by using the verse. WR explained it nicely, but I truly find that path difficult to swallow. It seems a whole lot has to be forced and/or unaccounted for. It leaves me with need for the heimlich.

tanban

I like the idea that he buried it at night under lamplight too. I was thinking about having the same people go back and check out some of the areas directly around the 2 circles and checking some of these locations as well. Does anyone have specific spots they’d like checked?

I think WR’s left “x” on the image above is a good candidate. I’d dig from the stairs to the lamp post (that entire square).
I don’t think I paid much a attention to that set of stairs before…just the ones on the opposite side of the building, and the ones that line up between the “C”s.

…it’s actually in Washington…
(It’s a detail from a painting called
The Red Cross Knight
, by a Boston artist called
JS Copley
whose other subjects included
Revere
. The Red Cross Knight is from Spenser’s
The Faerie Queene
. This winged fairy character represents “Faith”.)
The crack…hmm, dunno. I seem to remember someone suggesting a feather…
Not much going on in these squares apart from their identical fountains…
Just keeping some ideas going as I feel Boston oughta be solvable…

was hoping that “shadow” on the neck would fit with the emerald necklace parks of olmsted, but i don’t see it
http://www.emeraldnecklace.org/static/f … page_2.pdf

More Boston brainstorming.
If the box is Park Plaza:
…and the fairy is by Copley…
…then put them on the map, at Park Plaza and Copley Square…
…and pull back to see what else fits.
Northeast, the Massachusetts State House by
Bullfinch
matches the birdie.
The patterned “SLC” rectangle matches the Boston Public Garden. There’s an obscure Twain (Samuel Langhorne Clemens) connection via a comment he made on the bizarre
Ether
memorial – yep, a memorial to the anaesthetic.
To the south, Pandora’s face falls around Franklin & Blackstone Squares- originally intended as one big square called
Columbia
.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_a … ne_Squares
“
Columbia
is a poetic name for the Americas and the feminine personification of the United States of America.”
Columbia Pictures logo…?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_Pictures
The company was named in
1924

WhiteRabbit,
I love the fairy painting.  Where was that?
What is your thinking about the top of the stone circle
which looks like a purple heart and a jagged crack?
AP

If your sure about St. Louis, try this……
I’ve often thought that when the authors came up with these locations, they must have wanted the clues to be unlinked and random… So I would have gotten 3 to 5 different people and told them to go out and gather 10 to 20 fact and 10 to 20 images from a particular place (lets say St. Louis)…. Now throw all that on a table and start pulling bits randomly. Some things will be too obvious, some to obscure…. Also, I am thinking that the art work was created before all the clues were given. I say this because each image is a representation of a faire folk, some of the images have a white aura around some of the items (I know others have mentioned it also); I think these were pieces they had to put in after the image was done, perhaps to clarify…….. Just my thoughts!
So rather than take what you see in each image or what you read in each verse, try to do some random bits of research on St. Louis, and see if you get any correlation….
In fact If you would like I’ll send you some tidbits… I have not looked at St. Louis so it will be a fresh beginning for me….

The bassist in my band is a St Louis native…I will pick his brain.

MrSeabass

I like it too, but like the castle, there’s no point of reference once “I” am there. In either case I fully support that the starting point is the Boston Public Library

What about this idea Seabass…the image that compares the old utility box in that area to the table by the bird in the painting. kind of looks like the bird is digging and that area is right under a lamp light…one of those sphere ones. under a lamplight, the first one, on the other side of the fence, by the would be utility box, right before you even get to the 2 cs. i dont think i have heard of anyone digging there.

JoshCornell

ive solved up to the feel at home clue…
but all I feel is stuck XD
I’m at the location though…just need to find the spot…

what do you believe feel at home means

That’s correct. Until you get to the part that says “face the water, your back to the stairs.” The only place in Copley square you could do that is to face the fountain with your back to the stairs on the back of the cathedral. And that would be placing the casque smack in the middle of the lawn. It’s such an exposed area I would doubt the casque was buried there.

The Somerset is across the street… The S from the image…
“In 1976, the Savings Banks Trust Company of New York City foreclosed on its mortgage to Somerset Building Company. It was the only bidder at the foreclosure auction and took possession of 390-400 Commonwealth.
The properties subsequently changed hands, including going through foreclosure again, and in January of 1982 were acquired by the 400 Commonwealth Avenue Apartments LP.
In August of 1981, the 400 Commonwealth Avenue Apartments LP filed for (and subsequently received) permission to remodel the apartments on the north side of the building, noting that this was Phase I of its remodeling. The legal occupancy of the building remained “187 apartments, coffee shop, flower shop, keyboard lounge, rib room restaurant, music halls I and II, and restaurant.” –
https://backbayhouses.org/400-416-commonwealth/
He could have easily buried it there with a giant semi vacant building which was going thru foreclosure for cover…plus your rail switcher is right there (All the letters) so just dress up like a city worker. It’s a good spot, I pointed it out 6 years ago and everyone said it had been dug up. I’ve seen about 7 different pictures of holes all around there since then. Like all of these cities there are several explanations that fit, but having the 2 image matches in one place makes it worth checking out some more I would think. It’s going to be a little harder with the Somerset being Condo’s now…at least they left the dual S’s for you on the gate 🙂

Some idea’s about:
In looking at Image 11…
The portal that is centered in that Image looks a 99% dead ringer for the circle path around a  fountain or statue.
Image 11 could well be a NYC location. No?
Study the Beseda Terrace and the portal in Image 11. Striking resemblance.
http://www.wirednewyork.com/parks/centr … thesda.jpg
Notice the outlines in the terrace and the outlines with the portal (what I call it) in Image 11.
Map of Central Park and the adjacent streets and some of the landmarks here:
http://www.centralpark.org/locator/cpcl … /cpl1.html
I would need to find a little more solid evidence in Image 11 for trully believe it is indeed NYC.
I don’t think that portal in Image 11 is necessarily a window portal. To me it appears more like a foot path around a fountain or statue.
A park in the area of Ann Arbor,MI  have anything similiar around a fountain?

I have thought of Detroit in passing before
simply for its proximity to Canada.
Seems like an easy border jump.

Just took another look at this picture today, and I’m more sure than ever that 42 and 43 are the intended latitudes for P11. The 42 is obvious (armband), and the 43 is from the square and triangle dangling from her arm (4 sides + 3 sides = 43). The 112 also looks pretty clear, but it can’t be a longitude because that would place us in remote southeastern Idaho; Pocatello is not exactly a hotbed of Italian immigration (and while it may
sound
Italian, it isn’t).
So what are the hotspots of Italian immigration between latitudes 42 and 43? According to
one website
…
“Most Italians found unskilled work in America’s cities. There were large colonies in New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, Baltimore and Detroit.”
Fox pointed that out before. Of these, Chicago is out because we’ve already found a casque in Chicago. Baltimore, Philadelphia, and NYC fall too far south.
That leaves Detroit.
I really want this one to be Boston (and yes, it’s between latitudes 42 and 43), but I just thought I would throw this out there just to be difficult…

We’ve thought about this a little, but not enough, I think. There is a symbol hanging off our girl’s right arm:
I think this is an artistic rendering of two A’s, one right-side-up and one upside-down. Thus, it could be a reference to something like AA, A’s, or Double-A. So, what could AA (or whatever) mean? Maybe we won’t know until we figure out the corresponding city, but we can speculate. I did not have enough time to sift through all 529,000,000 sites found by Google, but here is a list of candidates:
Alcoholics Anonymous (?)
American Airlines (?)
A. A. Milne (authored the ‘Winnie the Pooh’ stories)
double-A battery (‘The Battery’ has been considered in both Charleston and NYC)
A’s (as in ‘Oakland Athletics’ baseball team)
AA is a team ranking system in minor league baseball
…and tons of other things. See Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AA
Or — and I really like this one — A.A. could be the initials of a city that lies between latitudes 42 and 43 (like, I dunno,
Ann Arbor, Michigan
). Anything in Ann Arbor seem likely?

BRAIN BLAST.
VERSE 10 with IMAGE 11.
This is the ‘twin cities’ of Detroit, MI
and Windsor, Ontario!  (where cars abound)
These are each the car makiing capitals of their
reprective countries.
The beautiful thing here is:  Isle of B:
Belle Island (in the Detroit River) was designed by
Olmstead.
The castle —> city of Windsor.
(More research needed here, but this is a solid contender
for a Canadian casque.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/abbyladybu … t-1618086/
Is there another way we can look at or define “steps”?  Maybe it is more than just walking 5 steps…like going up or down stairs…or some other form of step.
Keep up the good work guys, we are definitely zeroing in on this one….

Hey Fox,
why don’t you post “500 Boylston Street” to get everyone juiced up.
realize that the sky scraper was completed in 1985, but
who knows when they completed this entrance way.
you might be able to find the photo under also “Back Bay Garage”
It may not help for these purposes, but it is too perfect to not post.
http://www.harrisonphotography.co.uk/li … fm?key=229

FB, there’s no way BP is going to get someone standing at the spot where they have the same view as the pic you just posted, only to take you somewhere else.  Somehow the verse, the BPL, with T and X, got you to stand here and see that fountain.  I’m thinking you must face the water and see the BPL at the same time, which puts you close to Trinity, close to the fountain, by a lamp(light).
Check this out.  Not much info on it.
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1530584
A temporary coliseum at Copley Square?  An obscure little tidbit.  Kinda like the balloon off of Castle Clinton.

Wow, boogie, you may have found our mystery coliseum. Another possibility is that ‘coliseum’ is a reference to the fountain itself. Consider:
The Roman Colosseum or Coliseum, for comparison:
Near those
Who pass the coliseum
With metal walls
I have suggested before that
metal walls
could refer to the doors of automobiles; hence the verse could be read:
Near the road, where folks drive by the coliseum in their metal-walled vehicles
Flimsy, yes… but possible.

We need a photo of the fountain from across the street on Boylston.  Is this the Italian link, Colloseum?

Indeed, it could be!

I think I have unraveled it:
http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide-2 … y_boston-i
click on the map and look at the photo ops….
“If Thucydides is North of Xenophone
take Five steps in his direction”
Start at the East side of the Library in front of
the names.  Note that Thucydides is higher than Xenophon.
Then take five steps North (his direction).
This puts you at one of the corners of Boyston and Dartmouth.
“A green tower of lights in the middle section”
http://www.gov.ns.ca/news/details.asp?id=20011129003
See the photo ops on the map and note what you are
looking at here. The site of the Prudential Christmas Tree.
(the largest one in Boston – as noted from yahoo)
In this spot you can see:
–  Trinity Church as reflected in John Hancock Towers.
–  The Science Statue holding the world
–  The Copley Fountain
And right here, your back is to the stairs and you are facing the water.
Last remaining bit:
“Feel at home, all the letters are here to see”

What better way to describe a xmas tree but “a green tower of lights”.  Is Ameliaelf still around?  Amymisha?  Anyone in Beantown?

http://perljam.net/google-satellite-map … ley_Square
SouthWest Corner of Boyston and Dartmouth.
Tour from West to East…
-Library and Science Statue
across the street
-Old State House
across the street
-Copley Square – site of Christmas Tree
Beyond that…  Fountain, Trinty Church, John Hancock
-Behind you (Greek Names)
Question – What was at the spot in 1982
that the John Copley statue now sits?

“Natural light floods the hall through
15 vaulted windows during the day, and green table lamps give the room a cozy
glow during twilight hours, a welcome change from the fluorescent lighting of the O’Neill Library. Computers, cell phones, and technology of any kind seem out of place here. It is a place for quiet concentration and reflection.
Just outside the calm of the BPL, Copley Square is teeming with activity. Shoppers dart in and out of stores carrying their bags, sharing the sidewalk with business people on their way home from work.
The elegant architecture of Trinity Chapel is reflected in the modern, mirrored façade of the John Hancock Building.”
Interesting.  Taken from the site below.
http://www.bcheights.com/media/storage/ … eights.com
edit: Ever see THE VERDICT?  1982 movie filmed in Boston, scenes from Copley Square.

Can Paul Newman dig a hole?

I like the tower of lights being a Christmas tree, but isn’t the tree put up at the Prudential Center, three blocks west of Copley Square?

According to what I found, it is put up in Copley.
(cross referenced from independent sources)
http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide-2 … g_boston-i

http://search.travel.yahoo.com/bin/sear … _result=20
Puts it right at corner of Copley Square. Drag mouse to Copley square icon.

http://www.wcities.com/en/cat/197/34/category.html
Christmas Tree (600 Boylston)
Library (700 Boylston)
Pru-shops/Mall (800 Boylston)

Now, where does the shovel go?

At the home of the letters (?)
My real fear, is that it is now under the
John Copley statue.

THE HOME OF THE LETTERS
(this needs some investigation)
http://www.acmebook.com/
http://www.societyofprinters.org/
http://www.pine.org/nepp/2005/03_05/lead_3.htm
http://www.hedden-information.com/book- … dexing.htm

If Thucydides is north of Xenophon, then you would take five steps to the corner, Dartmouth and St James.  Opposite end of the BPL where the xmas would be, no?  According to Ameliaelf’s pics.  You would not be going north actually.  Just in the direction of Thucydides.  Notice Thucydides is in the first set of names from the left face of the building. Xenophon in the second set, and south (meaning lower).
http://community.webshots.com/photo/275 … 1054GbDFhq

Could go either way depending on how you
interpret the verse.  You can follow in the direction
of the name or you can simply travel North or
you can decide that T is not North of X and walk away from him.
We need someone on the ground to scout it out.
I chose to go North because at that corner you
can clearly see the statue of sciecne.
Also, from that angle, you get an unobstructed view
of the reflection of Trinity Church with being blocked
by the church itself.
(This is purely fitting the facts into what we know…
In the image, does it appear like the jewel is being placed like the
star at the top of a Christmas tree?)

Because T & X are near the corner, 5 steps in T’s direction could be right on target to the end of the building (BPL).  From there you may have the Pru Building in sight.  Not that matters at this point.  Going north would seem to fit better, but why 5 steps?  5 steps north still leaves you about what, 100 steps from the xmas tree?

BP has found locations next to and behind immovable objects.
I believe the most likely place with all of the clues we have
figured out without setting foot on Boylston is
that it is behind the fountain just to the right of that
obelisk.
I see from the satellite green area around the fountain
and steps going up to the pool.
I reason the two obelisks are displayed on either side
of Pandora in the image.
And of that – when you most people open boxes?
(Chirstmas)
So it may be a dig very similar to Cleveland.

I used to live in Windsor directly across from Belle Isle, but now I live in London Ontario which is only a couple hours away.  I have family within 40 minutes of Detroit and I myself go through the city failry often since the company I work for is headquartered in Michigan.  I would be more than happy to investigate any locations or share ideas I can, just let me know.
Thanks for posting this here CW.

Merlot Brougham

e: Don’t forget Copley Square Fountain

Remember the fountain was put in long after the Secret was published.

maltedfalcon

Remember the fountain was put in long after the Secret was published.

I knew that. My bad

cw0909

four21,maybe there was  a light pole there,between the stairs and the building
and the light pole stayed for awhile after the building,was taken down
thanks FB

what is so promising about the park is that there is and was a light pole next to the stairs, standing between the stairs and the water…
I can’t find any evidence of a light by the building, but I wanted to confirm as it would have been an excellent hiding spot.

Weren’t you supposed to be standing where he is by now?  😛

Here is sone info about SLC:
1) falcon, lower left corner:
Falcon Lodge (2 hrs from SLC) in Altamont, Utah (lat 40,
(long 110), in Duchesne County, has Moon Lake.
Falcon Way St. in SLC
2) fortress in box:
an old concrete structure in Little Cottonwood Canyon
(on N slope) towards Alta(mont?) which is SE of SLC.
Yet, this structure could be 80s era.  It is the Granite
Mountain Records Vault of the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter Day Saints, which is the world’s largest collection of
filmed genealogical records.  The structure is concrete
out of solid granite (not sure what this means) with
tunnels into the mountain.  Construction began in 1960
and it was officially opened in 1966.  (So is this not 80s
era?  I know math, I mean that I’m not sure.)
There is also a Castle Creek Inn  (I don’t know the age.)
(
www.castleutah.com
)
There is also a town called Castle Dale.
3) The capitol building is granite with a copper dome, located
on Capital Hill, north of Temple Square, landscaped
gardens, statue of Chief Massasoit on S side, Mormon
Battalion statue on SE side; E of capitol is Memory Grove
where statues honor Utah veterans; the Grove is in City
Creek Canyon.  Temple Square is surrounded by white
walls and has a golden angel on top.
I know that the Memory Gardens has been mentioned, and I am sorry this is a hodge podge of details.
–Johann

We noticed that there is a mark next to the 112 in this P that seems to be too perfect…it makes a great ‘degrees’ symbol ;]

1.) I don’t know who TH is.
2.) I responded when erroneously referred to as a he. I am a woman.
3.) I wonder why the admin doesn’t delete this abusive, bizarre and off-topic content and ban the users who post it?
4.) I don’t wonder why people don’t actually put real information on this board.
If this is the response a new user gets to the simple question,” Has anyone gotten a permit to dig for treasure recently and, if so, how did you get it?” then why should anyone bother to share what they’ve found?

bolddigger

The “can’t get permission” thing isn’t an angle– it’s a reality. Not for lack of trying, either. That’s why I asked if anyone knew of an amenable local bureaucrat who had actually issued a permit recently.
If anyone who has a magic bullet cares to share their success story in getting permission to dig, great. I’d appreciate it and act on it immediately. Otherwise it’s a really unfair and baseless assumption that permits are possible to obtain and some of us are just not doing it right.
I’d venture to guess more than one person has solved these puzzles and given up because they simply cannot get a permit. I’m not giving up, but I’m weighing my options really carefully.
PS I’m a woman.

It is an angle. You aren’t a woman. Your name is Tony Haines

bolddigger

The “can’t get permission” thing isn’t an angle– it’s a reality. Not for lack of trying, either. That’s why I asked if anyone knew of an amenable local bureaucrat who had actually issued a permit recently.
If anyone who has a magic bullet cares to share their success story in getting permission to dig, great. I’d appreciate it and act on it immediately. Otherwise it’s a really unfair and baseless assumption that permits are possible to obtain and some of us are just not doing it right.
I’d venture to guess more than one person has solved these puzzles and given up because they simply cannot get a permit. I’m not giving up, but I’m weighing my options really carefully.
PS I’m a woman.

You have shared nothing other than you think you have “solved” Boston. Yet, you expect people here to cater to your requests without question. How about just a vague location description? Location and permission go hand in hand when dealing with Boston officials and permit/permissions. Are you looking in a park, a curbed island in the middle of the street, a cemetery, near a monument, Paul Revere’s basement? This matters. Asking the correct department matters.
The thought that permits to dig in Boston are impossible is completely preposterous. I work for one of the biggest excavation contractors in the city. Someone forgot to send us that memo. Should I be looking for another job?
PS I don’t care if you are a woman. Some of the best people in this forum are women. You are not alone.

BINGO

PS I don’t care if you are a woman. Some of the best people in this forum are women. You are not alone.

https://youtu.be/pAyKJAtDNCw?t=57

strike13

It is an angle. You aren’t a woman. Your name is Tony Haines

Yeah! And there is noooo way “Tony” is a girl’s name. Take that!!… Stick to gender-appropriate names, people… like Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks. Wait, what?
–Any chance we could all get back to finding treasure? I’ll be over in Verse 5 = Boston if you need me.

tedious, yet car-crash entertaining. But I’m almost running out of popcorn.

Glossiphoniidae

Umm… what do you think the implication was when adding that she was a woman? The OP specifically made sex a thing. Sheesh.

I think that was a reasonable response to Bingo’s previous comment “Maybe
he
should just go by the handle TH?”
I don’t think it was out of line or “a sex thing”
but your over the top reaction was.

This also kind of casts light on someone’s behavior
Just curious what kind of stalking behavior lets you know a person’s initials and full name
and then gives you the right to throw it out there.
as nettiquette goes that’s pretty low.

maltedfalcon

This also kind of casts light on Bingo’s behavior
Just curious what kind of stalking behavior lets you know a person’s initials and full name
and then gives you the right to throw it out there.
as nettiquette goes that’s pretty low.

Why don’t you put the blame where it belongs? I threw his or her name out there. I do not feel I was being low. Just tired of all the permission seeking whining. It is called the Secret, not the constantly trying to seek permission treasure hunt. Also, I am a woman, so bring it 421!

strike13

Why don’t you put the blame where it belongs? I threw his or her name out there. I do not feel I was being low. Just tired of all the permission seeking whining. It is called the Secret, not the constantly trying to seek permission treasure hunt. Also, I am a woman, so bring it 421!

I am also super sarcastic, light-hearted, and never meant to piss anyone off. So let’s get back to finding this!

maltedfalcon

This also kind of casts light on someone’s behavior
Just curious what kind of stalking behavior lets you know a person’s initials and full name
and then gives you the right to throw it out there.
as nettiquette goes that’s pretty low.

I specifically said “he” and called out the initials “TH” because I have talked to “TH” on multiple occasions through multiple online avenues with “TH” using multiple aliases. The story and MO never changes.
Paraphrased examples of aforementioned MO:
-I have solved Boston.
-permits are impossible in Boston.
-I’ve been sitting on this for months and it torments me.
-does anyone have an inside track on who to talk to for permits?
-I won’t dig without a permit.
-I won’t divulge any information about my solve because others will break the law, dig it up, and take the credit.
-Maybe I will seek advice from a publicist to help with permission and advertising after the casque is recovered.
I have made multiple offers to help”TH” with his permission issues and he simply adopts a new screen name and moves on to another Secret related group to make the same statements and ask the same questions. So, my apologies go to Bolddigger if “she” isn’t “TH”.
If trying to actually help someone who asks for help is online stalking, I guess I am guilty as charged.

Saturday is coming…

Is that
Ivy
on the Castle box
as well as on the front shield??

Good one trohn.  Here’s a pic of Boston College.  Lots of ivy.  Looking for castles now.
http://www.bc.edu/admission/undergrad/m … 67×175.jpg
edit: and another pic.
http://www.gradprofiles.com/images/bost … -pic-1.jpg

Somewhere along the Freedom Trail.  Looking for the spot.
Here’s the link to pic.
http://www.mehras.net/usa_pages/08_20_b … oston.html

No castle… but here is the largest building (tower)
in Cambridge…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Building_(MIT
)
The middle section is McDermott Cout,
a perfect circle.
Note the bilding’s occupants.

Every 5″ rock, clay pipe and tile better look out. Bingo has a new toy to play with.
The company that I work for just purchased this from a utility locating company that is going out of business. They are training a few of us to use it starting next week. It sounds like I will have access to it on a fairly regular basis. I’m not interested in checking out random “hunches”, but I am willing to help out well thought out theories whenever possible.
**Disclaimer: I spoke to the person who operates this GPR and he is less than enthusiastic about using it to locate a 5″X5″ plastic box. It may help, but it will most likely offer more false positive readings than is mentally worthwhile…
Also, if you are “permit challenged” Boston searcher, a permit is not required to use this on public property. (This information is also from the person who is selling and training us to use it. I have not verified that personally, but I belive him at his word.)

BINGO

Every 5″ rock, clay pipe and tile better look out. Bingo has a new toy to play with.

the pipe finder part *the blue part) would basically be useless in the hunt
what frequency is the GPR part?

maltedfalcon

the pipe finder part *the blue part) would basically be useless in the hunt
what frequency is the GPR part?

No clue yet, I am a total novice. The tutorial begins next week. I’m hoping to learn enough about it to make some productive use of it.
What I do know is we used to hire that company to find underground gas lines, water lines, and electric conduit that dig safe cannot locate for one reason or another. The success rate with them using it is roughly 50%. Some things it locates very accurately and some things it is a waste of time.
Fingers crossed.

BINGO

No clue yet, I am a total novice. The tutorial begins next week. I’m hoping to learn enough about it to make some productive use of it.
What I do know is we used to hire that company to find underground gas lines, water lines, and electric conduit that dig safe cannot locate for one reason or another. The success rate with them using it is roughly 50%. Some things it locates very accurately and some things it is a waste of time.
Fingers crossed.

there is a frequency that basically goes down 3 feet
and another that goes a little deeper
and one that goes really deep…. hope you have the 3 feet one!

maltedfalcon

there is a frequency that basically goes down 3 feet
and another that goes a little deeper
and one that goes really deep…. hope you have the 3 feet one!

Most electric and telecom conduits are buried approximately 30″ deep by local code. Gas is usually in the same range. Water mains are always 5′ or deeper for frost protection. For what you are saying, I’m guessing those depths would require separate units?

BINGO

Most electric and telecom conduits are buried approximately 30″ deep by local code. Gas is usually in the same range. Water mains are always 5′ or deeper for frost protection. For what you are saying, I’m guessing those depths would require separate units?

not an expert but thats how I understand it
other bad thing is it basically shows layers of disturbed soil
an area that is constanly, say rototilled, plowed or dug in would be problematic.
would the casque show up as a easy to identify target? maybe….

forest_blight ,TY for the find at BPL,im sorry i got excited,and cant link the info
right now,but we now know this stairway and the other paths at MR did not
exists, when BP was there so we need to concentrate on stairs south of MR
and in one of the PDF links i read the only entrance was from the fire control
building area,im going to see what i can find,and put something together
i think we are getting closer,i hope during the restore,the casque wasnt dug up
new thought,BP may have came in from the VG side,as in the docs it says the
area was overgrown,so he prob couldnt see it from MR,but knew it was there
and at the time we would have had to follow the same path/route
can you tell im excited,LOL
your post where in the cap #24 it says only 1 entrance to MR
http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/h … 63#p121563
none of these paths stair existed in 80-81
http://goo.gl/maps/fkyE
we need to concentrate on the area south of MR  and more near the
fire control building i think
http://goo.gl/maps/1lFB

This continues to be frustrating: The VG and MR park apparently were not visible from the same point, so “all the letters” and “feel at home” are incompatible clues.

ScientiaVeritasEtLux

Does anyone know of any Irishy-ness in Copley Square? Maybe not all is lost.
Otherwise I really want to look more in-depth into Boston’s North End. Mainly parks or other areas to dig discreetly.
If anyone has any really good location ideas I’m sure I could go check it out. I only live an hour and ten minutes away from Boston.

ARe you kidding? THe entire city of Boston is Irish. Except for Little Italy. LOL…

maltedfalcon

Seriously
You have trouble associating anything Chicagoan with the Irish?
go ahead and poke a stick in the ground anywhere in Chicago, it will bleed green.

Absolutely!! Chicago has a HUGE Irish heritage. In addition to the numerous Irish festivals that were held in Grant Park for decades, one particular Irishman dominated Chicago’s politics for what seems like forever, and still does (in name): Richard Daley.
If you’ve ever been there the Irish “connection” is a lot more obvious than not.

Does anyone know of any Irishy-ness in Copley Square? Maybe not all is lost.
Otherwise I really want to look more in-depth into Boston’s North End. Mainly parks or other areas to dig discreetly.
If anyone has any really good location ideas I’m sure I could go check it out. I only live an hour and ten minutes away from Boston.

ScientiaVeritasEtLux

Cleveland isn’t all that Greek, but the Cultural Garden sure was.

I remember living and working in Cleveland, fresh out of college, and it was my first exposure to Greek food.  (It was also my first exposure to Tex-Mex food — Cleveland has a lot of ethnic restaurants, as do many large cities.)  No new info there, just felt like sharing a memory, ahhhh.

Despite attempts on the part of several people to broaden our thinking, I am still stuck on Salt Lake City for this one. The 41/42/112 just nails it for me, even though there is no other certain evidence in the image that says “Utah” to me. I will try to revive discussion on this picture.
Things we know/suspect:
8 globes = 8th month, August
Gem = peridot (Italy)
112/41/42 are longitude/latitude for Salt Lake City
Flower = definitely gladiolus
That’s almost certainly a Cooper’s hawk
Things we dunno:
Significance of the Cooper’s hawk
The building on the box
Relationship to Pandora, if any
What’s that outline thingy in her hair (right side)?
The proper verse; what is it??
Is that a feather up there?
Things no one has raised:
The ribbon hanging off her right arm (our left) contains a box with the letters AA in it. The way they are oriented, there could also be an N. I will call this AA(N). It might make sense to play with these characters in various arrangements (AAN, ANA, NAA) and see what happens.
What about this picture says “Utah”? The Cleveland find had a map of Ohio on it. Surely there must be something in the image to help us narrow it down to a state besides the latitude / longitude. A rebus or visual pun of some sort?

thats true, but the geological survey bureau back then (every city had one) would have aerial photo graphs taken from about 2000 feet of the entire area under their jurisdiction, these would be used for surveys, architects, city planning, etc….
anybody could go to the office and check out the pictures like a library.
The only reason I know this , is I worked at a company that wrote software and next door was the geological survey bureau for San Diego County.  I bet they don’t offer that service any more.  but just because google earth and the terra server didnt exist. doesnt mean the information wasn’t available to people.
and Several of BP’s images contain aerial photo images.  ie the fountain in Grant Park is in the image.

Keep in mind, BP probably couldn’t be doing much satellite imagery in 81.

The Porcelain Gate contains a very different looking pig’s head, though the head in the claw is hard to un-see once you’ve zeroed in on it. It could be a really vague reference or just a coincidence.
I read that and have corresponded with the OP, who is on this board. Lives in Boston too. Not to insult him but he’s the reason I’ve been hesitant to post my theory for Verse 3 (check that thread), because I actually believe he might try to dig it up before me

I’ve always seen the pigs head, never the cows, but also a mallard head when viewed sideways. I’ve wondered about this referring to Bacon, who created the wall in Longfellow Park with The Village Blacksmith and Evangeline on it.
On a side note, delta T over delta X = velocity in a given direction.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … dge_MA.jpg
If this is a reference to the Porcelain Club or the Gate, it’s tenuous. F that stupid bird, I hate him.

Could it just be a red-tail hawk, signifying the red coats? I’ve leaned toward it being nothing at all, honestly. Maybe it helps outline another pic in the image, but think of how may parts of the Chicago and Cleveland images had nothing to do with the solve.

Interesting post. Did one of us post it? I drew those annotated images years ago, but I’m not the person who posted this.
I read through the post and all the comments (as of 6/27/13). Here are things I found interesting:
1. Globe could be a reference to the Mapparium.
2. Negative space under the hawk’s talon could be a pig or cow. Could refer to Porcellian Club or the McKean Gate (1324 Mass. Ave., Harvard). I don’t remember seeing this pig silhouette mentioned anywhere.

Edit: Wrong thread. I am too illiterate to ever hope to solve this puzzle.

drunknerds, I like this, although maybe you should also post it to the methodology thread. I’d personally like to see the methodology thread be the most popular one on here.

drunknerds

Edit: Wrong thread. I am too illiterate to ever hope to solve this puzzle.

Lol

gManTexas

Lol

Right now I want to go where nobody knows my name

drunknerds

Right now I want to go where nobody knows my name

Was the Cask n Flagon paneled in Cherry Wood?

the book says “cradling italy”…………………little italy (like a baby
)
umm, i also get thoughts of baby moses……….lol
( i put this on the verse 3 thread also)
WhiteRabbit, could you get pictures like that of the guild steps??  they were built in 1917, which would fit the numbers in the oval……….and guess what!!  he was ambassador to russia.  i remember thinking this picture seemed nordic to me………………
http://books.google.com/books?id=TX7S2v … ss&f=false
curtis guild was ambassador to russia
i’m thinking that feather is just a quill for a writer now, like longfellow (bridge, or statue (sailors monument), oliver wendell holmes (feel at home)
holme’s path
guild steps:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/489 … otostream/
i like how the next picture of wallyg’s, the founder’s memorial has “wee”  and “small”
really getting confusing now with the “ether” monument and the image 2 lion, and the shaw memorial with the angel:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/paul_photos/4521200534/
http://ctmonuments.net/2010/05/robert-g … al-boston/
he steps leading down from the shaw monument are dedicated to ww i soldiers and sailors and the two elm trees are over 200 years old, and one supposedly planted by john hancock (all the letters are there to see)
http://books.google.com/books?id=TX7S2v … ss&f=false

The flowers in the images are generally the birth flower for the month, corresponding with the gem. This is August -> Gladiolus.

Have any of the Boston searchers looked at the Agassiz Road Duck House? There’s a set of stairs on the left side where you can face the water.

gManTexas

Have any of the Boston searchers looked at the Agassiz Road Duck House? There’s a set of stairs on the left side where you can face the water.

I did with another guy Brian, nothing at allll stood out. It was intriguing to me because it was built by Alexander Longfellow, nephew of Henry W…so I reeeally was hoping for a connection there, as the location fit perfect…but nothing stood out at all..spent like 25 mins there even. I am willing to take a relook though….

strike13

I did with another guy Brian, nothing at allll stood out. It was intriguing to me because it was built by Alexander Longfellow, nephew of Henry W…so I reeeally was hoping for a connection there, as the location fit perfect…but nothing stood out at all..spent like 25 mins there even. I am willing to take a relook though….

It’s very close to the V Gardens. Wonder what else you can see from there.

gManTexas

It’s very close to the V Gardens. Wonder what else you can see from there.

Reeds, reeds and more reeds. Agassiz Rd basically bridges over the muddy river. One side is the victory gardens and Mother’s Rest and the other side has the war memorial, Rose Garden, Clemente field, etc.
It’s actually difficult to see anything from the duck house because the reeds on both sides of the river are like 8’ tall.

Smack in the middle of everything. Any idea about the view in 1980?
Also, could the patterned globe holder represent the alternating blocks of the arches in the Old South Church near the library?

drunknerds

Besides the emerald, was there anything Irish about the Chicago location?

Yeah. Grant Park is named for Ulysses S Grant who was of Irish descent on his mother’s side. He was, I believe, the first US president to visit Ireland though it was after he left office. During his visit to Ireland he was made an honorary citizen of Dublin.

Anyone have old pictures of the Clemente field house and overall sports area? I only have that one of the field house before it was renovated to a smaller structure. I’ve looked everywhere but can’t find much else. Curious if there were always two baseball fields – where were the bleachers exactly – etc…..

Haarstick

Anyone have old pictures of the Clemente field house and overall sports area? I only have that one of the field house before it was renovated to a smaller structure. I’ve looked everywhere but can’t find much else. Curious if there were always two baseball fields – where were the bleachers exactly – etc…..

Here are a couple of aerials to look at for comparison.
1978
Current

Guess they didn’t do much field maintenance back in 1978. If we were standing at home plate with our back to the bleachers, facing the water, the lights look the same now as they did then. See the shadows in the two photos.
Assuming this spot is correct, still have to determine the final steps. 18 and 12?

that circle area with the rectangle attached/at the bottom in the map sort of looks like the shape of image 11.

rlhuguenin

that circle area with the rectangle attached/at the bottom in the map sort of looks like the shape of image 11.

It sure does! Use the search box at the top right and type in “Kelleher” and you can instantly see all the discussion about that.

drunknerds

It sure does! Use the search box at the top right and type in “Kelleher” and you can instantly see all the discussion about that.

cool. thanks!

That’s exactly what I was looking for Bingo! Thank you!
I was interested in finding out exactly where the bleachers were (stairs?) and the shape of the river (kind of resembles the odd shadow at her neckline). Looks like the bleachers were right on top of the walkway that still exists. My thought was back to the stairs meaning go behind the once existing bleachers and face the water. Remember Cleveland they had to go behind the wall even though it seemed odd for them to do so? So go behind the bleachers, face the water, stay in the middle section near the tall lights. Strike13 and I went back and forth about maybe the jewel in the painting marking the location of the casque but we realized it doesn’t make much sense.
One thought for Chicago was the loop in his earring represents the Chicago Loop and the casque was found just under the Chicago Loop in Grant Park (as in the painting). Any thoughts on the location of the jewel in the painting? I can’t seem to find any connection or clue there.
I’m thinking “feel at home” was just a clue to a ballpark. And the shape in her sleeve kind of resembles home plate. And not sure if the Field Guide gives any real clues but baseball players are pictured in the Team Spirits section – there’s a small fairy sitting on a baseball. Maybe not intended as a clue but interesting.
Now just to see if the water level has risen really high in that spot.

maltedfalcon

Steps can be stairs or 1/2 paces, stairs are a series of level places going up or down an inclined plane.

Looking at the Boston site then, I think the stairs he refers to are not in the circles but the stairs of the small house. There doesn’t seem to be any other alternative.

Yeah, that certainly could be representing a bridge and I wouldn’t discount any ideas someone has. I want to see somebody get a chance to dig this casque up. There are so many possibilities with this artwork and all the clues.
My thought is that the vines and squares represent a straightened out version of Back Bay Fens and the Bridges.
The squares within the larger rectangle of Erin’s dress are the main sections of the Back Bay Fens between the bridges. The space at the top is the Boylston St Bridge, the space between the top and middle square is the Agassiz Road Bridge, the space between the middle and bottom square is the Emerald Necklace Bridge and the space below the bottom square represents the Park Dr Bridge.
At least that’s how I see it.

but seems there was something in the book that makes me think italian (whereas columbus park would fit), something about “stowed” in the boat (harriet beecher stowe, (some relative of henry ward beecher)  and peeping toms, and she wrote Uncle Tom’s cabin……………..
hmmm, edward everett hale married a Beecher, and he’s in boston, and he has a cane!  and he is in boston public garden and he was a preacher…(hard word)!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29661629@N00/372940474
(this is on the verse 10 thread     , i always liked that sailors and soldiers monument that had longfellow on it)

This verse makes a lot more sense if you look at it in terms of the city rather than trying to find another city in the verse itself. These verses, being essentially riddles, are deliberately obscure–this we know. However, if you read back through the thread on Verse 3, you’ll see that it’s been touted as other locations–not just Boston. Same with Image 10. Salt Lake City held a lot of people in thrall for a long time.
But…none of the verses and images are really specific! That’s the problem! The thing that drove me mad about this particular verse is the line “IF Thucydides is North of Xenophon…” because that, logically, is half of a syllogism. IF X, THEN Y. But IF NOT X, then the logical inverse is NOT Y! couple that with the ambiguious pronoun referent, and you have a real problem. I expounded on this one a while back.
If T is NORTH of X then take five steps in T’s direction–
If T is NORTH of X then take five steps in  X’s direction–
If T is NOT NORTH of X, then DON’T take five steps in T’s direction? That would mean you would take five steps in any direction EXCEPT T’s.
and so on (you can find this discussion under Verse 3)
Back-engineering these images from the solutions we know, we can see that the Cleveland solution was really specific in the verse and the image both. The wall is depicted almost exactly in the painting:
The names Socrates, Pindar and Appelles were inscribed on that wall. The bowl of the centaur’s hat and the fountain on the painting wall were both exactly depicted. You’d have had to live in Cleveland to know that the building in the trees was the Terminal Tower–it’s not that precisely shown. The latitude and longitude were there. But
I’m FROM NE Ohio
, and frankly, I’d never even heard of the Cleveland Cultural Gardens! I probably drove past them a hundred times and never knew they existed until I got this book!
But there were parts of the verse that never got explained: couplet was one. I don’t believe they ever found out what that referred to.
Then you look at the chicago solve, and you have to wonder how the heck they ever got it. On the basis of two parts of the whole painting the city was located, then the rest of the painting was almost ignored. They used the verse instead–and even then, it wasn’t exact because there was a missing tree.
Fence and fixture
could have meant almost anything! Yet they found it.
My point is, that it has nothing (or little) to do with ‘group think’ as you call it. It’s concensus up to a point–then it’s finding confirmations for what you believe and trying things out. I think we have had most of the concensus with Boston for image 11–and just about everything we’ve found seems to confirm what we think–except for the exact location of the casque.  I’m willing to give up the “letters” being the street names. I think “all the letters” could mean a lot of things: a post office, a printing shop, an alphabet plaque, a literary society, a library, a collection of letters, a can of soup….anything. I think once we get into position, we’ll know it.  18th day, 12th hour, lit by lamplight–might indeed be Revere, but maybe something else as well: perhaps a ritual, an antique building with a clock, or maybe the 12th hour is ‘riddle code’ for straight up–as a pilot might use. (12 o’clock high?) Or maybe “Revere” is the name of something NOT related to
Paul
Revere, i.e., a thing that is “revered.” (As in Church–holy–etc.)  That masonry around the circular window WAS found…it’s the circular pattern around a monument on Beacon hill behind the state house:
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/gallery/120707/
.
“In truth be free” is a quote, but not from anything that showed promise. It’s kind of hard to paraphrase this, and I’m just not sure what it means.
There are a lot of towers in Boston–green and otherwise. There is even  a “Green Tower,” at MIT and it’s known for it’s “light displays” outside. (In fact, there is a whole strange thing about light at MIT–MIThenge.) The words “five steps” have been speculated upon.  I don’t know so much about this verse, but I do believe the
image
itself points incontrovertably to Boston. The only link to Boston in the verse originally was the Paul Revere reference, and if that goes, the connection to this image is far more tenuous. Still, it seems to be the best match we have.
As I said, (I know I’m long-winded) I am not against new ideas…but I don’t wanna throw out the baby with the bathwater, either. Ignore what you think is group-think and research it yourself–but read back through the posts and see what others have done too. it’s helpful for all of us.

Rihel–
Do yourself a MASSIVE favor regarding the imagery– look at the obvious.  Also, this is a puzzle, which means that there may LOOK like there is more than one solution, but in reality there is only one.  Believe me when I say that it would make ZERO sense to make St Louis have an Irish theme in its painting.  French would be more along the correct lines, if anything.  Apart from that, while you are correct in saying that the clues are ambiguous, they are only so to a certain extent, just enough to cast doubt on the actual solution, which is why they’re so easy to discover.  I thought that the Houston verse pertained to Des Plaines Illinois, because the words in it EXACTLY describe a certain area of the city.  In Milwaukee, Pere Marquette park is the spitting image described by Verse….whichever verse it is.  These are very possibly completely wrong.

Unknown

Unknown:
I called it groupthink because the process of finding confirmers gets dangerous once the group has convinced itself that it is right based on flimsy evidence.  This happens in science all the time, too.  you get a little bit of data, kind of crappy data, but data nonetheless.  It suggests something.  Then you get a little bit more crappy data, and it confirms what you started thinking earlier.  Then another lab publishes some weak experiments that kind of suggest the same thing.  Now you think you are on to something, and you start looking in the literature.  And, suddenly you find some unexpected results in some other work, and you think, “Aha! I can explain that with my line of thinking.”  There is a confirmer.  Eventually, you start seeing confirmers everywhere, and you and others become totally convinced that this is a true solution to a problem.  Then one day, someone comes along with a GREAT experiment, and it conclusively proves you and everyone else wrong.  This happens all the time — crappy evidence + crappy evidence + crappy evidence + crappy evidence starts to equal in our minds GOOD evidence, but the reality is that crap+crap+crap equals crap.  And I will be clear– this has happened to me, and it will happen to me and my colleagues in the future, too.  And that is because it is easy to see evidence is crappy after that great experiment comes along, but a lot harder to see it when it is all you got.

As I and others here have said, no one is against new ideas or new information in any way. However, you have missed a point: if you’re going to call evidence crappy, then you should be prepared to say why without doubts it is crappy,
and replace it
with evidence that is NOT crappy. Simply calling it crap is non-productive, and saying it’s also crap because more than one person believes it is neither productive nor logical. You don’t, q.e.d., have anything better from what I’ve seen. You have ‘found’ the name Xenophon in St. Louis. That’s a lot like saying you found a ruby in Texas. You also fixated on only one numeral–the 112–which could be anything, including longitude–but has
not
been proven to be either that or something else. Perhaps that could be the one thing that confirms Boston–maybe the number 112 is on a building, a streetcorner, a T stop, a zip code, a street sign.
Until a casque is found, ALL EVIDENCE, whether it looks good, arose from group concensus, arose from an individual epiphany, or any other source at all, is speculative. What proves the evidence not to be speculative is the finding of the prize it led you to, or a definitive reason why you can’t retrieve said prize (as in the Houston find.)
What is known is known. We have all done research here, some in person, some on the ‘net. No one has unearthed anything yet except what was found in Chicago and Cleveland, and the information from Houston–and that casque is likely unretrievable now since all landmarks are now gone. We’ve found literary references that are unmistakable, photos of what we consider to be good matches and lots of circumstantial evidence to point to a particular place with this image–and  what has been suggested alternatively has only matched one or two points, then peters out. The only ideas that have consistently yielded matches and confirmers were for Boston. This is not ‘group think’ at all–it’s concensus. There is a huge difference. And as I’ve said before, if you
have
better,
show
better before you dismiss something out of hand. All we ever said was that is was a “good hypothesis” as you put it. No one is claiming victory yet.
(Also…yes, this is an Italian, not an Irish theme–but it
still
doesn’t make sense for St. Louis.)

Yes, I am trying to look at the obvious.  And I see that there is pretty much nothing obvious so far, except for the Th. and Xeno on the wall of the library.  More about that below.  For example the Beacon Hill Monument.  The pattern on the floor doesn’t really match up with the picture in the image, at least not in the photo posted.  I saw that in the thread, which I read front to back before I posted anything, but it doesn’t really look like it.  It is slightly like it, but nothing more.  I am going to look at it when I get the chance, and I’ll try to take pix and post them.
It’s funny that you think this is a Celtic theme.  It really underscores how hard it is to pinpoint what is obvious.  I thought the Peridot was supposed to be Italian.  That might make sense for the North End, but I would have thought Irish would have made more sense for Boston, too.  The image is only vaguely Celtic, in the way that people get vague Celtic rune tatoos on their necks or arms.  I actually thought the imagery is Masonic, which of course fits in with Boston well, too.  Lots of Masonic stuff here.  Anyway, it is funny you think this is a Celtic theme because I kind of thought it was Norse, like a Valkyrie or something like that.  See how hard it is to interpret this stuff, and how different people bring different things to it?  Which one is most like the author’s idea??  Impossible to say.
Now, about the Th. being North of Xenophon.  I agree that the If statement’s logic does not indicate that you should do the opposite if the answer is false.  In fact, it wouldn’t indicate what to do at all.  I take it to mean that “If Thucydides is North of Xenophon, then you are in the right place and you can start.  If it isn’t true, then find the place it is true and then start”.  Now, I understand that maybe it means that Th. is above Xenophon, like in a typical map, but it might be a coincidence, too.  After all, wasn’t Thucydides and Xenophon’s names on that wall in Cleveland?  These guys seem to go together like peanut butter and jelly– that is, if you invoke one name on a monument, you invoke the other one, too.  So, would I be surprised if tomorrow I am walking around on Harvard’s campus and look up and see those two names starting at me?  Not one bit, but of course, it would be great if Th was more clearly NORTH!
I called it groupthink because the process of finding confirmers gets dangerous once the group has convinced itself that it is right based on flimsy evidence.  This happens in science all the time, too.  you get a little bit of data, kind of crappy data, but data nonetheless.  It suggests something.  Then you get a little bit more crappy data, and it confirms what you started thinking earlier.  Then another lab publishes some weak experiments that kind of suggest the same thing.  Now you think you are on to something, and you start looking in the literature.  And, suddenly you find some unexpected results in some other work, and you think, “Aha! I can explain that with my line of thinking.”  There is a confirmer.  Eventually, you start seeing confirmers everywhere, and you and others become totally convinced that this is a true solution to a problem.  Then one day, someone comes along with a GREAT experiment, and it conclusively proves you and everyone else wrong.  This happens all the time — crappy evidence + crappy evidence + crappy evidence + crappy evidence starts to equal in our minds GOOD evidence, but the reality is that crap+crap+crap equals crap.  And I will be clear– this has happened to me, and it will happen to me and my colleagues in the future, too.  And that is because it is easy to see evidence is crappy after that great experiment comes along, but a lot harder to see it when it is all you got.
But, to continue the science example, I think calling image 11 and verse 3 as indicators for a Boston casque is a good hypothesis.  I guess we can test it, too, by going out and looking for something like the “Cleveland wall” slam dunk.  Find that, and it would be like that great experiment that strongly supports the hypothesis.  (Of course, not finding it is also possible, and then we can’t conclude anything at all.  This only means that we must be on the lookout for other city possibilities, too.)
And finally, finally.  Using the examples of what’s been solved is a good way to proceed.  I do think it amazing that they found the casque in Chicago– but at least the two clear-cut images in the painting gave them the fortitude to know that they were looking in the right place.  That just doesn’t exist yet for the Boston casque, in my opinion.  Maybe this weekend will be nice here for a change and I can start looking.

All what you say is fair.  I just think it is useful to categorize our data into things that are really solid and things that are OK, and things that are not so hot.  Importantly, those determinations need to be done without considering the rest of the data — that is, we should never say  that a piece isn’t very good, but let’s bump it up a category anyway because it is at least consistent with the other data.  I find this kind of exercise useful insofar as we can make independant calls about each piece of data, and it gives a good indicator of what level of evidence will be required to make us doubt it.  Of course, consistency of the data would be important, too, but we could in principle simultaneously have two good pieces of data that point to different cities.
In a way, this is what the forums do already, to an extent.  For example, Thucydides and Xenophon.  They appear on the Boston Library together.  That is a great piece of evidence.  Now, what would it take to shake my belief in that data?  Well, if you showed me a Thucydides and Xenophon in another city AND Thucydides is unassailably North of Xenophon, then I am going to rethink that data HARD.  My evidence for Xenophon in St. Louis?  Well, that would be in the total crap category (but isn’t it intriguing that Xenophon is a semi-common name in modern times?) unless we see another grave with Thucydides sitting North of him.  Then we would have to start rethinking.
So, how do I categorize the other data?  Well, the harbor outline I put it in the good category.  It isn’t a 100%er, but it isn’t totally silly, either.  What would make it stronger?  An old aerial photo of Boston that is a better match.  The reference to 18th day, 12th hour as a Paul Revere or Longfellow reference.  That straddles the good to great category, I think.  Importantly, Longfellow does use 12th hour to refer to midnight within the poem, that is a big boost.  But, given the nature of these cryptic verses, I would be hesitant to say that I think this is in the bag, either.
Almost everything else I am putting in the sketch category (somewhere between good and total crap).  The castle, the patterns on tiles, the bird, the globe, etc.  They just aren’t of the same quality that I would like to see.  Now, this exercise was useful to me, because it tells me where some more work should go.  It also told me where good starting points are.  Maybe this was all obvious, but it is nice to somewhat formalize it.
The reason I spend so much time thinking about this idea of quality of evidence is that, while looking through the forums, I saw lots of brainstorming and suggestions and idea-generation.  The forums are AWESOME at doing that, and that is an important step.  What the forums do a little more poorly is evaluate the evidence.  Too often people would post some picture that makes little sense (or maybe even some OK sense), and either a bunch of people would say that was a nice find, the end, or people wouldn’t comment on it at all, leaving the idea unevaluated forever.  Of course, this isn’t always the case by any means.  Lots of ideas, but sometimes those ideas are left completely unevaluated by the community.  And the community should have some kind of consensus about the quality of their data at all times.

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The reference to 18th day, 12th hour as a Paul Revere or Longfellow reference.  That straddles the good to great category, I think.  Importantly, Longfellow does use 12th hour to refer to midnight within the poem, that is a big boost.  But, given the nature of these cryptic verses, I would be hesitant to say that I think this is in the bag, either.

I agree with most of what you’ve said here. And thank you for saying what I said was fair! I tried to be, and also non-confrontational–and that was harder!
Anyway, yes, I will have to agree about crap vs. good evidence here and how it gets evaluated on the forum (or any forum.) It is no end of frustration to me that things are not logically evaluated–before they’re accepted. For instance, the huge amount of work done by Sonoran and Turtle is a perfect example: the fountain they found wasn’t likely installed until 1990, and the “Isle of B” meaning the Island of the Bridge is going to fall also, because that particular bridge wasn’t built until 2002–it replaced two bridges that were there previously. Little things like that are easy enough to check. If you think a ferry boat is a clue, find out FIRST if the ferry boat was oeprating when the book was
written
. I’ve found and discarded a lot of evidence that way.
And speaking of bridges, you say:
Actually, there is a
Longfellow Bridge
in Boston, (Beacon hill to Cambridge) also. I have to wonder if 18th day 12th hour refers in any way to the bridge, or anything associated with the bridge. Wiki has some photos; the main piers look like Viking ships, and the bridge is also known as the salt and pepper shaker bridge. Maybe that is the reference to Longfellow–instead of Paul Revere? I don’t know. This, I admit, IS vague–but intriguing. Perhaps it is meant to lead us to Cambridge instead of Boston?
Just speculation at this point.
As for the Greeks, there haven’t been many references to the two of them together except on the wall in Cleveland, and in the quote by Mann or Walpole. That seemed very significant to me. It gave us two options–Boston or New York. The “north” part is to me the part that is arbitrary–not the fact that the names associate with the city. North can mean (1) above (overhead), or (2) in a rising direction or even (3) in an earlier ORDER in a list (i.e., B is “north” of P in the alphabet.)  And the IF drives me nuts.
What I dont’ think is smart is negating good ideas with bad ones. And unfortunately, this happens a lot. I won’t hang onto an idea just because it’s group concensus. I do think also that when someone says “nice” to a piece of evidence that is or is not great, it’s being more polite than accepting. This forum has a rep for being very polite for the most part, and that’s enforced here. And I dont’ disagree with that attitude. There have been posts on here that caused my jaw to drop and my head to shake slowly back and forth and I’ve erupted in gales of laughter at some things–but I’m grateful no one can actually hear it!

strike13

Backstop, your spot is en fuego!
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/Fi … 79761.html

Seems like the Fens catches fire every couple of years.

…None of this is that important, I just thought it was interesting.
I have been going over the O’Reilly Memorial lately with a premise that the columns could be the seats of Poetry and Patriotism, with Erin in the middle. O’Reilly’s bust sits on the other side, in the right side of Erin’s hair (the one that might be A. Fielder representation). It got me to researching O’Reilly a bit more than I have before.
I was reading some of his poetry and found one of the most famous works to be
A White Rose
. The placement of the falcon and the flower on the San Francisco pic immediately came to mind… so close in placement. Hmm.
Again, nothing to draw upon. I just am bewildered at all the connections between and within images that we find.

drunknerds

Why do all that just to highlight a building that’s somewhere near the route, but not generally needed to solve the puzzle?

Eh, the answer to this is “because that’s what Preiss did, for some weird reason.”

I would like to share this fens Westland Gate lion potential image match… I have always found this portion of her hair a little off for it to even represent the wharves, however now I think I got it!
https://imgur.com/a/5wffy

strike13

I would like to share this fens Westland Gate lion image potential image… I have always found this portion of her hair a little off for it to even represent the wharves, however now I think I got it!
https://imgur.com/a/5wffy

Wow. I like this, and I hate like 99.9% of image matches i see

Strike, that Lion is a great find. Nice match.

drunknerds

Wow. I like this, and I hate like 99.9% of image matches i see

And one more potential image match i see. I see a bell in her hand. Also, I have found that Isabella Stewart Gardner has a nickname of Belle.
The Boston society pages called her by many names, including “Belle,” “Donna Isabella,” “Isabella of Boston,” and “Mrs. Jack”.
Anyway, her house/museum is right there by the fens and i noticed that it also has the same design on the side as is shown in the image woman’s hand with the bell (possibly for Isabelle) in it to signify the area of her home and museum.
https://imgur.com/a/SH5vJ

strike13

And one more potential image match i see. I see a bell in her hand.
https://imgur.com/a/SH5vJ

Why do all that just to highlight a building that’s somewhere near the route, but not generally needed to solve the puzzle?

It’s definitely a decent spot though, even if it’s not a bell.
Wonder if it matches some streets in the area

another  therory on image 11
i was looking at the frame around her skirt and thought
those symbols looked a lot like signal flags..link
http://www.anbg.gov.au/flags/signal-flags.html
so i started looking for coast guard stations and found one at
ie pre. reference to i think boston for this image
STATION BRANT POINT
10 Easton ST.
Nantucket, MA 02554
then i started looking in  Nantucket, MA to see if something
looked like the image  looked at these links
http://www.mass-vacation.com/find/event … evt_id=371
http://www.tripwiser.com/trip_planner-M … 1ac8 
then i discovered the sandcastle link and looked at image some more
and thought it looks like she is in an observatory  link
http://www.discoverourtown.com/MA/local-21839.html
this observatory comes with an outdoor solar system model
the spheres around her, and she maybe this person …link
http://www.lucidcafe.com/library/95aug/ … html 
so far ive not found images to compare to the image, and have not
gone over the verse
i also found one for canada for sandcastles
http://www.greatervancouverparks.com/HA … les01.html
http://harrisand.org/sand_sculpture_photo_gallery.htm
i have not checked this area for anything that looks like image
i know all this hinges on the castle being a sandcastle
the places on Nantucket look to be just blocks from each other
almost forgot one more link to a sandcastle event, have not looked at that
area at all
http://www.ci.imperial-beach.ca.us/inde … 87B6DED%7D

treetopshot

Here is a pic of Liz Taylor. If you research her, Disneyland land was her favourite place to go. It says Liz right next to the picture
http://www.arogundade.com/elizabeth-tay … -eyes.html
. Take good look please before judging

your introductory comment on this thread was all we needed in terms of judging.

Credit where it is due.
The lady in the image looks more like Elizabeth Taylor than Christopher Columbus.
Also, on page 117 in the book, Liz is shown on the bottom-center in the April, 27 1982 US Magazine Best and Worst Dressed People edition.
That’s all the credit I have to give on this theory.

Glossiphoniidae

You are on point with the dates… but the ship that docked there was very famous and gave its name to the terminal. the road had long been named black falcon, before the terminal.

It was a  Norwegian merchant vessel that happened to be docked there once in 1953 — What was of note was that there was a fire on the boat while it was docked there, resulting in 8 fatalities. I don’t know that I would characterize that as a very famous ship that docked there.
I don’t remember finding any evidence that the road was called that before the terminal, but it was a few years ago that I looked into it and I may have missed something…
Regardless it still does not seem like a solid clue at all. I really want it to be Boston, but I have yet to see a single match strong enough to definitively tie the image to Boston and it seems really dangerous to rely on the verse alone…

librarian

I have yet to see a single match strong enough to definitively tie the image to Boston

There’s quite a few bits and pieces – stuff like the Copley fairy…
…the Kelleher rose garden…
…the mapparium, and the 2C – which I known four21thrasher doesn’t believe in, but hopefully he’ll dig there anyway and find the strongest possible evidence in the shape of a small ceramic box.  😉
They’re not all Chicago. Look at Roanoke. All we have is a tiny map detail.