Hey,  that ponce on horseback argument is moot.  The reason for it is suggesting the use of a MOUNTain in pinpointing the place to stand when counting off paces.  It doesn’t matter to me if that mountain is in Oregon, Florida, or elsewhere.

http://www.bing.com/maps/?FORM=Z9LH4#Y3 … FwcD01MDgy
This view of the 2C area and its spherical lamps has two of the lamps ALIGNED! You might have to press the back arrow away from the truck to align them.
I think image 11 is trying to show us this with the geometry of the circles and points. A line from one sphere (lamp) cuts one of the C shapes at a dot and then goes through the centre of the right most sphere.

(Image11 / Image12 comparison.)

Bored, frustrated and without inspiration or clear direction for Boston, I used the nice weather from Friday to do some exploring that I had been purposely avoiding. No major developments to announce, but I’ll share the stops that I made.
Stop #1: Victory Gardens at the Fens
I walked Path P along the Muddy River to see which paths had the best view of Fenway Park and its lights. For Mr. Backstop, I probed the intersection of Path P and U at the compost area. There is a ton of brush there, so I did the best that I could.
Pros:
-Fenway and its lights are visible. The green monster is not visible. (Summer months with leaf cover will certainly diminish that view.)
-The reeds along the Muddy River are reminiscent of the hair of our Lady in image 11.
Cons:
-No aha moments or breathtaking visuals that scream Image 11.
-The soil is easily probed after the recent rain event. I didn’t find much resistance from anything in the soil, it appears that 2′-3′ of that soil has been turned regularly.
The intersection of Path P and X was interesting. It appears that there was a light pole there in the past. The only problem that I have with Path X is the time of its construction. I still believe that it was created post publication.

Great stuff BINGO, thanks for showing some of this area. Interesting that there used to be a lamppost in that area.

Stop #2:
A small patch of land that is directly across the street from the Cask n Flagon Bar. It is also directly behind the Green Monster at Fenway Park and adjacent to the Mass Pike (I90).
The small plot has been undeveloped and unchanged since before the book was published. I don’t think is has a lot going for it, but people have made verse connections to the Mass Pike (near those who pass), the Green Monster (Green tower of lights/metals walls) and the word
CASK
is plastered all over the building just a few feet away.
Similar results with the probe. No aha moments, no grand visuals.

Don’t know what to make of this bad boy, but I kind of like it.
Found it with a random “in truth, be free – Boston” google search. I believe it is stained glass and there are others like Socrates, Da Vinci, etc. All have their own theme like truth, mathematics, art, etc. Nothing for our buddy Xenophon or free that I could find. Maybe others have something to share or add to it…

Glossiphoniidae

I saw you mentioned the “4”; but other than that, what good or exact images has you found at the Commons?

The turrets, which you either see and agree are a match or don’t see.
More than this site, I personally feel. Again, I checked and vetted this site long before ever having a theory at CC – this wasn’t a case of wanting one to be true and not the other. I and a friend went here and canvassed the entire area. The matches don’t really stand out, but overall the park has a good feel to it.
I’ll try to get some pictures of the area by the monument next week if you’d like. I don’t see any real resemblance in your images, not sure what the fairy has to do with the Longfellow bust.
Also, the verse falls apart really quickly in this location. Facing the water here specifically makes it so you cannot see ANY writing or letters. The “feel at home” line referring to Longfellow’s house is a bit of a stretch, it’s pretty far away from the suggested dig site. There are also no green towers – I initially thought you could perhaps see Eliot House from here, but you can’t see anything at all.

Xieish

The turrets, which you either see and agree are a match or don’t see.
More than this site, I personally feel. Again, I checked and vetted this site long before ever having a theory at CC – this wasn’t a case of wanting one to be true and not the other. I and a friend went here and canvassed the entire area. The matches don’t really stand out, but overall the park has a good feel to it.
I’ll try to get some pictures of the area by the monument next week if you’d like. I don’t see any real resemblance in your images, not sure what the fairy has to do with the Longfellow bust.
Also, the verse falls apart really quickly in this location. Facing the water here specifically makes it so you cannot see ANY writing or letters. The “feel at home” line referring to Longfellow’s house is a bit of a stretch, it’s pretty far away from the suggested dig site. There are also no green towers – I initially thought you could perhaps see Eliot House from here, but you can’t see anything at all.

So other than the turrets, if I believe they match, no other visual matches, right? Which one of the solved images had the building outline next to the casque site? I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m just trying to follow ‘the trend.’ Perhaps that’s why nobody has found another casque, though.
I don’t know why you can’t accept the Thucydides and Xenophon on the Library and continue to dig for other meanings. As seen in the solved verses, many lines point to locations in the general vicinity of the casque site and yield no other help in determining the actual location of the casque.
Have you not considered the Green Building as the “green tower of lights?” If not, take a look. If you believe this could be the “green tower,” consider that both the Thucydides and Xenophon, and the green tower clue are just general vicinity clues not providing any direction.
The fairy and the lady on Bacon’s wall share a very similar dress, they both have 90 degree elbows and share facial characteristics and gaze directions, and they both are holding a square. I think the wall allows for a good interpretation of the “with metal walls face the water” lines — The Village Blacksmith is written on the wall, and all of Longfellow’s characters face the water (i.e., you can look at the water with them).

wk

No, my guess is behind the bush in line with 5 steps down.

This was my thought.

hehe… I got a couple of balls to post about on Image 3 thread.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/156936251@N07/
?
photos and details on image 11.

I wonder if this could be a series of archways; a bridge, say.
Bit low though. More like Harvard Stadium or something.
I suspect there are various deformed and unidentified places in these images still waiting to be discovered.

Here’s a different angle.
I’m interested in visual tricks, like the building hidden in the Cleveland trees. The 45 deg line at the top right supports a shadowed perspective view. A doorway maybe…? The perch could be an edge.
Here’s a random picture to try and convey the general impression.

JoshCornell

thats defintiely a pig lost lol.

just my opinion 50% pig head & 50% cow head.Male cow may refer to: Bull, so for me its not a big leap to Bull & Finch Pub or someone named Bulfinch. jjp images are not exact, so keep an open mind hunters.

That ventilation building would be part of some water pump works, not a train tunnel.

thats defintiely a pig lost lol.

Kalessin

That ventilation building would be part of some water pump works, not a train tunnel.

There may be pump stuff in there, but the sign matches the ones on sidewalk hatches. The building’s also got that siamese standpipe on the side.

Argh, I’m totally wrong, I confused the small building with another structure. Yes, this building is a ventilation shaft, standpipe entry, and probably an intact stairway to the Green Line subway tunnel below.
I think the sign is for local fire department response or fire stair emergency exit (that would be the red area with a yellow “F”) with G-19 as a Green Line location reference. The green color of the rest of the sign refers to the Green Line.
On the sign in the sidewalk picture, the rest of the sign is red for the Red Line with location reference R-23, R for Red Line. That picture was taken at the intersection of Massachusetts Avenue and Remington Street in Cambridge, at a section of stores bookended by Boston Burger and Cafe Sushi, at 1105 Mass Ave. You can blame my teenage years hanging out in Harvard Square for being able to instantly identify the location from the shapes of the storefronts and stairs.
At a guess, they put the signs in “obvious code” without saying “Fire Department Green Line Entry Point G-19” because those signs invite trespassers into fire stairs and tunnels… :/

Back to what we know to be true:
Boston Library has both “Thucydides” and “Xenophon”
outside near the fronting statues of Art and Science.
This postively ties in the verse.
To positively tie in the Image (beyond the ’42’)
consider the statue and what and how she is
holding:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fatty/5217 … t-1163947/

Trohn

Boston Library has both “Thucydides” and “Xenophon” outside near the fronting statues of Art and Science. This postively ties in the verse.

That verse gives me fits. If their names are on the east face of the library, then T would be
south
of X. And T and X were also chiseled into the wall at the Grecian Cultural Garden. Who knows how many places they can be found?
That’s a good point about the globe, though.

That verse gives me fits. If their names are on the east face of the library, then T would be
south
of X. And T and X were also chiseled into the wall at the Grecian Cultural Garden. Who knows how many places they can be found?
If the names are on the east face, along Dartmouth Street, then thatis exactly where
they should be…. in order for one to be North of the other….  (please confirm)
(Noth ould be towards Boylston and South would be towards St James)
The Statue of Science is at the corner of Dartmouth and Boylston streets (please confirm)
or that is the cloest corner.
As far as another aspect of the image/location …. the John Hancock Towers are known
for their reflective properties… just like the two table tops in the lower section pf the image.
As a tie in to the verse, wasn’t Paul Revere riding to warn John Hancock about the British?

Both names are on the east face of the building. T is on the southernmost panel of the east face, and Xenophon is on the neighboring panel to the north.

Forest –
Would ‘T’ be north of ‘X’ if you looked at it as reflected
in the John Hancock building??

That’s a very good thought, but even in the reflection they would still be in the same north-south orientation. Only east and west would be flipped.

You are right (of course)
but I was thinking outside ‘the box’
I am taking the pandora’s box buidling
to be not Trinity Church but
the reflection of Trinity Church in the
Hancock building.
If only to resolve the North-South delimma.
The line in the verse that is puzzling me more is:
“Take five steps in the area of his direction”
why the term ‘area’  and does ‘his direction’
mean something physical (like a statue) or an
instruction (‘Go west young man’)
Boston Massacre (where five man were killed)
was documented in an engraving by Paul Revere
and is in the Arts Musuem.

Here is some of my latest Boston work.
I just noticed the gate looks like a Venn Diagram,
“In truth, be free,” is like a truth table where p and q are visual opposites. In this case an S looks like a money symbol and a backwards $ represents being free…
The gate $$,
The bird is standing on the T of the cyclone fence. There’s a globe light to either side.

In regards to the image of the bird, I believe it’s a Sea Hawk. The tail seems to match the ship yard in Charlestown. It’s directly across from Langone Park.

A while back I was poking around and found that the Harvard Lampoon building has a fairly infamous bird on top that has the exact leg position as the falcon/bird/what-have-you in i11. I chalked it up to coincidence like most of the things I find in the Secret since it didn’t really lead anywhere and cranes do that with their legs a lot. (Not falcons though!)
However, upon doing my Japanese translation, I found that the last section is entirely about explaining the National Lampoon humor and its origins as the Harvard Lampoon for the Japanese audience. I’m sure this has been visited in the past, but just wanted to present this finding from the translation because if Byron helped at all in guiding the translator in what to preset/clarify in the back section it could be more relevant than we think. Maybe not an overt clue, per say.
My personal thoughts are that the leg position might just be an Easter egg to Sean and Ted and the Lampoon connection to the book in general or just a possible city confirmation since it’s such a subtle feature.

phrabbott

A while back I was poking around and found that the Harvard Lampoon building has a fairly infamous bird on top that has the exact leg position as the falcon/bird/what-have-you in i11. I chalked it up to coincidence like most of the things I find in the Secret since it didn’t really lead anywhere and cranes do that with their legs a lot. (Not falcons though!)
However, upon doing my Japanese translation, I found that the last section is entirely about explaining the National Lampoon humor and its origins as the Harvard Lampoon for the Japanese audience. I’m sure this has been visited in the past, but just wanted to present this finding from the translation because if Byron helped at all in guiding the translator in what to preset/clarify in the back section it could be more relevant than we think. Maybe not an overt clue, per say.
My personal thoughts are that the leg position might just be an Easter egg to Sean and Ted and the Lampoon connection to the book in general or just a possible city confirmation since it’s such a subtle feature.

This has been batted around in the past, and you may be able to find some threads with the search box. I believe people were looking at the Harvard stadium, but I do not remember any solid theories where the casque might be.

I’m not sold that this is a Lampoon reference, but for the sake of the conversation…

gManTexas

This has been batted around in the past, and you may be able to find some threads with the search box. I believe people were looking at the Harvard stadium, but I do not remember any solid theories where the casque might be.

Indeed. I really just wanted to add that little tid bit of possible additional evidence from the Japanese book as I’m pretty sure the very back of the Japanese clues haven’t been presented in past translations. Apologies if that’s not the case.

BINGO

I’m not sold that this is a Lampoon reference, but for the sake of the conversation…

Haha. You’re not wrong. That’s why I started leaning towards Easter egg if anything at all.

phrabbott

Indeed. I really just wanted to add that little tid bit of possible additional evidence from the Japanese book as I’m pretty sure the very back of the Japanese clues haven’t been presented in past translations. Apologies if that’s not the case.

No, I meant the Harvard Lampoon building and the bird itself have been talked about. It could be worth a revisit.

gManTexas

No, I meant the Harvard Lampoon building and the bird itself have been talked about. It could be worth a revisit.

I spent a bunch of time in Cambridge a few months ago. Stumbled all over Harvard and MIT campuses. The lampoon building is very odd to say the least.
Just a couple blocks away from the Lampoon building is the Charles River. The shape/bends in the river are reminiscent of the shape of the neckline in image 11.
Just a couple blocks away is Harvard Square, where the infamous 1881 gate is located. That particular location is fairly secluded because it is in the back of the Square and directly beside an overpass.
Other than those two things, I didn’t find much compelling evidence. I suppose if you start there and then grab an Uber/Lyft, one could easily access the treasure ground.

BINGO

I spent a bunch of time in Cambridge a few months ago. Stumbled all over Harvard and MIT campuses. The lampoon building is very odd to say the least.
Just a couple blocks away from the Lampoon building is the Charles River. The shape/bends in the river are reminiscent of the shape of the neckline in image 11.
Just a couple blocks away is Harvard Square, where the infamous 1881 gate is located. That particular location is fairly secluded because it is in the back of the Square and directly beside an overpass.
Other than those two things, I didn’t find much compelling evidence. I suppose if you start there and then grab an Uber/Lyft, one could easily access the treasure ground.

Thanks. I wasn’t holding out much hope and I couldn’t really get anything to work at Harvard, although being there in person is infinitely better.
So, while we are at it, what is the current state of the hunt in Boston? North End still?

It’s probably not related, but there once was a coliseum on Copley Square.  It was temporary and made of wood, but it was huge (50,000 seats).
http://www.lib.umd.edu/PAL/SCPA/ABA/Gilmore/24b.html
Just google “National Peace Jubilee” in Boston for some interesting reading.  I would have loved to attend.

BC, BM –
http://www.mbta.com/traveling_t/schedul … ame=Copley
Click on the station photo.
Dead Match.(?)

dead match to what?  or are you referring to the sign with the globe on it from other angle that is supposed to match the cross?
must be blind here……

Uhh…  The concrete ball.

that concrete ball has an eagle on it…none of ours do, unless you put our bird on one of our orbs….

Trohn – I thought you were referring to the wrought-iron tracery around the T stop itself (which actually IS a pretty good match to the designs on our girl’s robes). I didn’t even notice the concrete ball. A dead match? In what way is it a dead match other than the fact that both are spheres, which are always dead matches for one another?

Didn’t see the eagle.
But it is round
I will now try and be helpful…
Symbols on left column of image: split square
square with dot in middle
simple checkerboard (nine squares)
Symbols on right coljmnof image:  square with dot in middle
triangle with capped top and dot in middle
simple checkerboard (nine squares)
Split square (already discussed)
square with dot in middle (have not matched it up)
simple checkerboard (could be trinity church bricks – already posted)
triangle with capped top and dot in middle (look back at the photo of the T station)
…..?

I haven’t been able to find a really good photograph to make a comparison, but it looks like there are some square patterns in the brick sidewalks in Copley Square that
might
match the concentric square patterns in the lady’s robes in image 11.  Here’s a photo that kinda shows the pattern (very bottom of picture):
Thoughts?  Anyone get a better look at these (bclews)?

I’ve added a few more photos showing the sidewalk pattern and a symbol in the sidewalk in front of the BPL.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bclews/
I’m not sure about the sphere with the eagle on it.  There is also one at the front of the BPL, but if you use google earth to look at the area you can see that the whole sidewalk in front of the BPL was under construction when the photo was taken.  So I don’t know if the globes are new or if they were returned to their original positions. The same goes for the symbol in the sidewalk in front of the BPL.

And a picture of the street side of the fountain, from flickr.com:

bclews

Unfortunately, that strange mark on the fountain was, apparently, nothing more than a water stain which has been removed.

Well… darn.

Thanks for the recon Bud.  A little discouraged about the fountain, but they may have to remove that same stain every year.  The water doesn’t change direction, right?  Keeps flowing the same way.  May have been gouged and repaired.  Who really knows.  Too much stuff here to give up.  Did you notice anything on this side of the church:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/friarbryan/189922619/
Looking at the circular design above monument.

Here are some of the photos —
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bclews/
And these 360s are quick-stitch, low-res panos just to give everyone a feel for the area —
http://www.crocker.com/~bclews/
More images to follow…

just a couple of quick comments after intial viewing.
First off, thanks for the pix!  Ok, I dont think it is an “exact” match but the scrollwork at the church north of BPL looks “very” similar to those on our lady’s dress.  To me…that is a match.
– I am still under the impression that the box castle in the P is a conglomeration of several buildings in the area since we have still yet to make a match.  The turret/towers on Trinity Church seem right but the rest of the building doesnt.
– If the P lady “holding the box” is leading us to the BPL statue holding globe, maybe we are to substitute a globe in P (one on pedastal or in bracket) with the castle box?  Is there a pedestal or bracket holding a block/box somewhere nearby?
We are getting close folks…lets keep going.

I’m sold on this area.  We need:
steps and stairs- 5 steps is 5 steps?  doesn’t mean blocks, streets or buildings right? or does it?
stairs- series of steps going up or down.  fire escape?
near those who pass the coliseum-  What is that building between the Hancock and the BPL, opposite the fountain?  That looks more like the Roman Colloseum.
metal walls
home
letters
lamplight- all up for grabs.

“Near those who pass the Colliseum”
“With metal walls”
Could this simpy be referring to a passing
train – a T stop.
(the colleseum is not the train – it is just a
reference point for to which the train is traveling)

A couple of ideas —
As you look up at the panels with the names on them you are probably standing on the sidewalk.  If you are any closer, you can’t see them.  If you take 5 steps in the general direction of the names you are walking toward the BPL.  There is a set of 3 steps, then another step, and then a bench-like platform on which to sit — 5 steps??  If you take those 5 steps your nose is now touching the wall or a window of the BPL.  I noticed that the hangings on the inside of the BPL’s windows can be changed.  I wonder what hangings were there in 1982 — a coliseum perhaps?
Lamplight and globes might indicate the lights along the edge of the plaza.  Look at the panos and find the one with the police car.  Look to the right and you’ll see a couple of lamps.  There is also one to the left.

Has anyone seen the photo to the T station
of the Green Line at Copley Square??
http://www.mbta.com/traveling_t/schedules_subway.asp
Click on the green line and then Copley stop.
And then the station photo….
(did I see this on the panaramic?)
Isn’t that a dead match?

I just added a picture of that station to my Flickr account.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bclews/

Bclews,
look at the other angle provided by the MTA.

Trohn

Click on the green line and then Copley stop.
And then the station photo….
(did I see this on the panaramic?)
Isn’t that a dead match?

Exact to what trohn.  I kind of know, i think, but can you match it up?
edit:  Nope.  Don’t know.

Unknown

Unknown:
Go get it then you Bolddigger…otherwise change your handle

I’m making a 100% effort to get authorization, but it may be impossible. I’ve been sitting on my solution for months, and after visiting the spot a few times I’m like (theoretically, of course), “How much will the ticket cost, and how likely is it they will arrest the person who digs here?” Maddening to think the choice facing some hunters is to let treasure lie or face prosecution. Even Preiss didn’t get away with burying these without police questioning him. I’m a law-abiding person and always have been, but…

bolddigger

I’m making a 100% effort to get authorization, but it may be impossible. I’ve been sitting on my solution for months, and after visiting the spot a few times I’m like (theoretically, of course), “How much will the ticket cost, and how likely is it they will arrest the person who digs here?” Maddening to think the choice facing some hunters is to let treasure lie or face prosecution. Even Preiss didn’t get away with burying these without police questioning him. I’m a law-abiding person and always have been, but…

probe it first and use a boroscope.

bolddigger

Hi everyone,
Has anyone in Boston found a good contact person, number or process for obtaining a permit to dig? I tried the online permit portal for the Department of Recreation and Conservation and they don’t have an option that fits. I’ve also tried calling the DRC office and so far the person directory assistance transferred us to hasn’t answered their phone and their voice mail box is full.
I’d be glad to get a COI, etc. and I’ve already visited the proposed dig spot. Just need the permit to take the next step.
Thanks in advance for any help. I know this is the most frustrating part of the process for most of us and appreciate the info.

Go get it then you Bolddigger…otherwise change your handle

Unknown

Unknown:
Digging a hole is really not a big deal…

And it remains the only option for testing a solve to see if it is, in fact, a solution. Hence my comment. As I’ve said many times before, if you are unwilling to dig (or at the very least probe), or find someone willing to do it for you, you are wasting your time on this puzzle.

Unknown

Unknown:
Just a bunch of ass holes digging empty holes

The fact that you think this is an insult shows just how little you understand about this puzzle. Or the serious posters who frequent this Forum.

Digging a hole is really not a big deal as long as you cut a nice plug of sod, put 95% of the dirt back, tamp it down well and replace plug with care. The ground should look fine when you’re done.

Does anyone have any good ideas about the symbols on the womans stole? If they are maritime flags, my attempts to decode them have not proved fruitful using
https://www.dcode.fr/maritime-signals-code
Also, I can’t get help but thinking the shape of the birds tail is significant. It’s very distinct. So is the light pattern on the birds body and head. Anyone have any good ideas what they are meant to look like?

why is this better than stand at the the bottom of the stairs at mother’s rest facing the water – and across the water are all the letters there to see?

gManTexas

It is about to be summer in Boston. High time someone dug up a casque.

no time like the high time gman! welcome back! this could be the year for it!

It is about to be summer in Boston. High time someone dug up a casque.

the 18 days 12 hours is from Longefellow’s poem about the ride of Paul Revere…

Yeah just trying to figure it out. Thought there could be an underlying reason to the 18 and 12.
Additionally if I wanted to do some ground probes how friendly is Boston to this? I’d be open to locations and send pictures if anyone was interested. I saw someone mention talking to the parks Dept before digging but is just probing with a rod generally ok?

jovialowl

Yeah just trying to figure it out. Thought there could be an underlying reason to the 18 and 12.
Additionally if I wanted to do some ground probes how friendly is Boston to this? I’d be open to locations and send pictures if anyone was interested. I saw someone mention talking to the parks Dept before digging but is just probing with a rod generally ok?

There is absolutely another reason to 18 and 12, in addition to it tying the verse to Boston via Revere, Longfellow, perhaps even Dawes or Prescott too, even Middlesex. I have, and will continue to believe, 18 and 12 are
also
directions to the dig site.
Probe & dig here all you want, just use your head with when/where/etc, and be respectful to the land/park/neighborhood.

jovialowl

I also wonder if although Boston is meant to be Italian since we already have a Greek reference in the verse and the painting is the cover maybe Boston incorporates things from other locales? Leif Erikson being one. Part of me wonders if BP was just excited by the Leif statue being in Boston and went from there disregarding staying solely reliant on Italy or perhaps as a snub of sorts to Italy (In truth be free) saying Italians didn’t discover North America.

at this point nothing is meant to be. You indeed noticed a very questionable phenomenon. And I suggest you trust no one but yourself.

I like the idea of recognizing the Revere connection of the 18th day 12th hour lines. Maybe there’s a way that Byron could’ve seen to utilize those numbers as a way to a dig spot similarly to Chicago’s 10 x 13.

I think I mentioned before, I really like the idea of either Copps Hill Terrace or Rachael Revere Park in the North End (was Rachael Revere the daughter of Paul Revere or is the name just coincidental? I could find any info on her).
Those are basically the only two places in the North End with some digging area.

Maybe the Paul Revere Mall (it’s not really a “mall”) has some secluded areas that could have been dug up?

I think it’s fair that Preiss had the expectation that someone had a decent education, that some intertextuality would generate some good old fashioned sleuthery.
How can you perceive a Paul Revere reference and think Longfellow is unimportant? How can the poem be named “The Landlord’s Tale” and yet a line like “feel at home” not stir some sense of recognition?

elizabeth, youre wrong for one very important reason…see longfellow…nice try though!

JoshCornell

elizabeth, youre wrong for one very important reason…see longfellow…nice try though!

Please. Stop.
Not in a rude way, but you are not in a position to be telling people what is wrong or what is right. You are the same as all of us, not knowing fully.

i can say whatever the f**k i want thanks…i think the clue is pretty straightforward and obvious…if you look at what the longfellow poem tells you…

JoshCornell

i can say whatever the f**k i want thanks…i think the clue is pretty straightforward and obvious…if you look at what the longfellow poem tells you…

…it should be obvious, but it’s really not.
“There are no facts, only interpretations.” It’s our many personal views or mental constructs that deter us from seeing what was at one time straightforward and obvious to Preiss.

Unknown

Unknown:
it should be obvious…

Preiss claimed to have received over 700 submissions to the puzzle before he was contacted by the group in Chicago, and not a single one was deemed worthy of a response by him as far as we know. If he was applying the same standards, that means that not one of those submissions had the right area of the correct park, which is the best you can say about the Chicago group when they first contacted Preiss. Make of that what you will, but it seems pretty obvious to me that there was very little that was obvious about this puzzle, even back in 1982.

JoshCornell

i can say whatever the f**k i want thanks…i think the clue is pretty straightforward and obvious…if you look at what the longfellow poem tells you…

Why would we look at longfellow’s poem? The Image and Verse are enough to find the casque.

MrBackstop

Why would we look at longfellow’s poem? The Image and Verse are enough to find the casque.

Or why would one look at Michigan, mind boggling.

Unknown

Unknown:
The Image and Verse are enough to find the casque.

You would think. And yet…

WhiteRabbit

X marks the spot, standing with your back to the stairs, buried beside the fence. Does the arrow point to a gate?

Nope. Just a fence.

rookhunter

Here’s my question: What is on the other side of those circles? If from the base of the stairs you face the water and take five steps, where does that put you? Perhaps there are markings on the other side of the wall like in the archway in the image.

I was there Friday night. I’d like to go back during the day but here’s what I can tell you in the meantime:
The layout of it is such that if you’re facing the water and your back is to the stairs, you are in one of two situations:
1. You are inside the circle and can’t dig, because of the tiles on the ground, or
2. You are outside the circle and basically standing on a small muddy slope. BP wouldn’t have been stupid enough to bury the casque there.
That said: The circles are indeed very evocative of those in the image, and the “green tower of lights” is the first one I’ve seen that actually seems to fit the description, so while I’m still not positive about Boston, I’m encouraged. I’ll try to go for a stroll around the Fenway Victory Garden sometime soon and see if anything jumps out.

jsp, I have a spot and solution that should work, give me a few minutes to draw a map.

I’m drawing what looks like an intersecting set of red lines.  One line is designed to be through the lamp and the box that is apparently no longer there.  I don’t know for sure, but I believe standing ON that box like a bird on it’s perch is the only way you can see ALL the letters to the CITGO sign.
Seeing letters continues to be the key when finding the second red line intersecting the gate on that short fence line and the gate entrance of the Somerset across the street, which is close enough to make a good precision type locating reference.  Standing at that spot you’re back is to the small stairs in that circle and facing a the water as it actually comes up to the edge of the triangle point tip of lawn to the north of you’re position.
I think I’ve taken into account all the possibilities I can imagine and ruled out lots of old wonky ideas.
Have a look in person and see if I’m right about that being a gate on the short black fence.  I’m not sure from the google street view but I thought I could see hinges.
Peace, and good luck,
Eric
PS, yes, you’ll see there’s a bush in your way…I guess that’s what 30 years does to a treasure hunt.  Same thing happened to Egbert in Cleveland.

erexere

I’m drawing what looks like an intersecting set of red lines.  One line is designed to be through the lamp and the box that is apparently no longer there.  I don’t know for sure, but I believe standing ON that box like a bird on it’s perch is the only way you can see ALL the letters to the CITGO sign.
Seeing letters continues to be the key when finding the second red line intersecting the gate on that short fence line and the gate entrance of the Somerset across the street, which is close enough to make a good precision type locating reference.  Standing at that spot you’re back is to the small stairs in that circle and facing a the water as it actually comes up to the edge of the triangle point tip of lawn to the north of you’re position.
I think I’ve taken into account all the possibilities I can imagine and ruled out lots of old wonky ideas.
Have a look in person and see if I’m right about that being a gate on the short black fence.  I’m not sure from the google street view but I thought I could see hinges.
Peace, and good luck,
Eric
PS, yes, you’ll see there’s a bush in your way…I guess that’s what 30 years does to a treasure hunt.  Same thing happened to Egbert in Cleveland.

I can go back to look again, but here’s what I can tell you from memory:
1. There’s no gate on the short black fence. It’s just a fence.
2. Going over the fence would put you next to a bush (which, as you mention, is not a problem), but you’re also pretty much standing on mud (which is).

I’ve never known what that box was for.  Could it have been a “water” related piece of equipment, like a water pump?

jsp

The layout of it is such that if you’re facing the water and your back is to the stairs, you are in one of two situations:
1. You are inside the circle and can’t dig, because of the tiles on the ground, or
2. You are outside the circle and basically standing on a small muddy slope. BP wouldn’t have been stupid enough to bury the casque there.

Here.
X marks the spot, standing with your back to the stairs, buried beside the fence. Does the arrow point to a gate?
There’s no doubt about Charlesgate being the right area IMHO. It’s about the first thing that the majority of the people on this forum have agreed on in years.  😉

davinci4

Would be helpful. Feel like there could be an undiscovered clue in the bottom panel, below the ‘checkerboard.’

Here you go:
Looks like just a square with a diagonal line through it.

Oh yeah!  Kinda reminds me too.  Are you near Boston SD?

There’s lots of subtleties in our evaluation of this image and verse.  No one thing stands out so strongly that anyone is absolutely sure of anything.
If I were to choose a strong point, I like the side-by-side circles the most.  The artistry seems to partially conceal or prevent any perfect matches to anything.  It’s somewhat refreshing that so many partial things seem to converge on this likeliest of spots.
I think everyone will soon find agreement on how to best interpret the verse and where to dig once they evaluate closely each of the three stair options,
Stairs A: south of the other two, attached to the house structure
Stairs B: stepping down to the larger of the two circular areas
Stairs C: northern set, stepping down to the smaller circular area
Either we use “five steps” in some direction on one of these or we don’t.  If we don’t, then we are assuming we dig directly at the stairs or adjacent as we face “water”.  I see six options for “water”,
Water A: the fens waterway
Water B: the Somerset Swimming pool, just inside it’s main gate
Water C: Charles River to the North
Water D: the Bay to the east
Water E: “Levee”, “Lei” + “V” Ericksson statue, word play/rebus based on evidence of multiple flower objects (see lines around flower) representing a flower lei idea.
Water F: “watt” + “er”, something which uses electricity such as a light bulb or electric panel.
Consider the lines directly after “Feel at home”, “All the letter / Are here to see”.  If we take the side-by-side circles as “2C” as a “to see”  word play, how does that directly follow “feel at home”?  Current favorite is attaching that line to Mothers Rest which is at a different location a couple blocks to the south.  I think of that as an inconsistency, but if we allow it, it means there’s a bit of a wandering component to figure in and then it stretches the rest of the verse interpretation to a thinner and less friendly scale.  If we take the letters as the “Citgo” sign and we want to still consider the visual clue from the image of the side-by-side circles, then we are limited to the northern tip of the area because Citgo becomes obscured by a building on W. Charlesgate.  This would make Stair C the nearest available fit.  “See it go” in 1980 was a local color connection to hitting home runs at Fenway Park.  It then follows the “feel at home” line in a different context where it may be reference to the baseball home plate”.  The inconsistency here is pretending you are hitting a homer eastward rather than northward as it is in Fenway.  This is interesting to consider given the first two lines of verse create a scenario “If X is north of Y”.  We are faced with having to consider Citgo in a scenario which differs from it’s traditional northward focus.
There are other ways to consider the home and letters ideas but the options become less consistent with anything else in the image or verse.  Currently I’m in favor of some stereotypical ideas such as red hair = viking,  “one who comes from the fjords”, fjords are narrow, deep, crack like sea-inlets.  I see the purple flower amidst several flower like outlines, suggesting depth or multiples, possibly it fits the lei necklace which contains a quantity of flower, or a whole flowering bush, or some other multiple consideration.
I think once a person is at the site and armed with these options, they’ll be able to make a better judgement for what fits best.  I think there’s room to consider a lot of places along the fen, but nothing fits better than the side-by-side circles nearest the viking and the building of the same name as the warship in the Somerset poem.  Oh that reminds me, I revisited the idea that Thucydides and Xenophon were chosen to represent letters “T” ans “X” for the reason that the British flag or Union Jack as it’s known in maritime terminology, is designed as a union of St. George’s Cross of England (the “T”) and St. Patricks Flag of Irland (the “X”).  I then return to the idea that the setting of the Somerset Man-o-War in Paul Revere’s Midnight Ride works into this with “Eighteenth day / Twelfth hour”.
if T is north of X, saying T represents England and X is Ireland, then how might we look at this?
England is actually east of Ireland.  Truth would be T is west of X, and so this might mean we are to treat west as if it’s north.
Hitting a home run from Fenway Park means hitting the ball north towards the red glowing triangle of the CITGO sign.  I wonder if the fanned out red hair on the woman in image 11 is a fuzzy way of saying red triangle.  Or is the red hair just a Viking or Celt thing?
Here’s an evaluation of some of the graphic elements in this image.  “A” denotes the points on the stone circle where the mysterious lines end on both sides.  Those lines might be connected to form an arc that comes close to where I’ve approximated a triangle based on the hair curves.  After that I noticed there’s some connecting points that “play nice”.  Notice how the center of the bubble in front of the falcon meets a vertical line which is also a tangent from the point of that pink arc.  Same goes for centering the larger orb to the bottom right with that side of the pink arc.  The bottom edge of the triangle looks like it could be a tangent of the pink arc as well.  One thing I like is the falcon’s bubble and the lower right side orb share the same sizes of the orbs drawn in the sky background inside the circular window.

Here’s a simple question:
Is there a difference in stairs and steps?

The morse code spells out SOS. It was mentioned in one of the blurbs about the memorial.

Haarstick

The morse code spells out SOS. It was mentioned in one of the blurbs about the memorial.

Disagree. See post above about End of Service.

MrSeabass

It absolutely does not. Are you serious?
…_._
Clear as fucking day.

No need to get hostile and use that language Seabass. I mean seriously?? I’m just quoting the information I read on the Wikipedia page and about the Fens and the memorial.
Here is the actual quote. Maybe it’s wrong but this is what I was referencing. It says pretty clearly (as clear as fucking day I would say) that it features “SOS in Morse Code around the base”. I agree, the actual markings don’t look like the dots for SOS but it would make sense.
“Radio Operators memorial (relocated)
This memorial, commemorating the radio operators who lost their lives on merchant ships during the Second World War, depicts a sinking ship with S.O.S. in Morse Code around the base. It was moved in the 1990s to Peddocks Island at the request of veteran operators, as Peddocks was where they trained. Its plinth remains located on Agassiz Road adjacent to the Agassiz Bridge, overlooking the war memorials across from the Kelleher Rose Garden.”
Have I been clear enough for you? Enjoy your fucking day.

Haarstick

No need to get hostile and use that language Seabass. I mean seriously?? I’m just quoting the information I read on the Wikipedia page and about the Fens and the memorial.
Here is the actual quote. Maybe it’s wrong but this is what I was referencing. It says pretty clearly (as clear as fucking day I would say) that it features “SOS in Morse Code around the base”. I agree, the actual markings don’t look like the dots for SOS but it would make sense.
“Radio Operators memorial (relocated)
This memorial, commemorating the radio operators who lost their lives on merchant ships during the Second World War, depicts a sinking ship with S.O.S. in Morse Code around the base. It was moved in the 1990s to Peddocks Island at the request of veteran operators, as Peddocks was where they trained. Its plinth remains located on Agassiz Road adjacent to the Agassiz Bridge, overlooking the war memorials across from the Kelleher Rose Garden.”
Have I been clear enough for you? Enjoy your fucking day.

From everything I have read, the Wikipedia article is completely wrong. I take Wikipedia with a grain of salt, and always try to cross reference the info.

Thank you for saying it so politely, gMan. Always appreciated.
Strike13 – it’s hard to see from the picture but does it say treasure on it? Not much of a clue but interesting.

Haarstick

Thank you for saying it so politely, gMan. Always appreciated.
Strike13 – it’s hard to see from the picture but does it say treasure on it? Not much of a clue but interesting.

No problem. An interesting, but probably not connected tidbit, there was supposedly a fabulous treasure buried on Gallops Island where the US Maritime radio operators station was located:
Peddock’s and Gallops Islands
Peddock has been used by farmers since 1634. Peddock’s proximity to the mainland ensured a prominent military role. Said to be the site of a patriot infantrymen’s raid on a Loyalist farm, Peddock’s also saw over 600 patriot militiamen stationed on the island in 1776, to guard the harbor against the return of British troops. It is one of the many harbor islands known to be used by American Indians prior to European settlement.
Gallops in the 1830’s was a popular summer resort with an inn and restaurant, perhaps because of its legendary association with pirate lore.
Boston Harbor Islands
One pirate, “Long Ben” Avery, is said to have buried a treasure of diamonds on the island, although nothing has ever been found. Gallops features a sandy beach and has picnic areas, hiking paths, guided walks, historic ruins, and a rather large rabbit population.

Haarstick

Thank you for saying it so politely, gMan. Always appreciated.
Strike13 – it’s hard to see from the picture but does it say treasure on it? Not much of a clue but interesting.

It either says measure or treasure….wow, i missed this because this was the section that was covered in bushes and i couldn’t even see when i took the pic, i just stuck my phone in there and tried to pull some of the bushes away to get a pic. looks like i will be back again tonight hahaha! or maybe at lunch break, depending on my day here. If it says treasure, i feel even better about the duck house spot

strike13

It either says measure or treasure….wow, i missed this because this was the section that was covered in bushes and i couldn’t even see when i took the pic, i just stuck my phone in there and tried to pull some of the bushes away to get a pic. looks like i will be back again tonight hahaha! or maybe at lunch break, depending on my day here. If it says treasure, i feel even better about the duck house spot

The best part was explaining to my neighbor what i was doing. She was walking her dog by me as I was taking these pics. She was so confused and I could barely articulate what was going on….so I just said helping a friends kid with a school project to cut it short haha!

drunknerds

So, in truth, the SK morse code means you’re free

That could very well be. Clever.

Unknown

Unknown:
Hidden among the outer petals, I see either letters or numbers. It could be “112” and “2” below it.

Using Fox’s latitude/longitude theory, this image likely leads to Salt Lake City, Utah.  SLC is 41 latitude by 112 longitude.  I believe there is a 41 carved in large numbers on the curved stone in the upper right (what we thought was a “flag” of some sort).
Fox believes that SLC is intertwined on her dress.  It’s possible, but not clear to me.

Anything going on now that the ground thawed? I’ve been waiting for Ledderman Park dig results for months!

Boston_Bay

Anything going on now that the ground thawed? I’ve been waiting for Ledderman Park dig results for months!

It’s true that there’s a lot of anticipation on this one. Huge amounts of confidence have been poured into both the Four21Thrasher and Xie/Xiesh theories. I’m not a fan, but that’s besides the point. What they can tell us should they feel inclined to come forward after a thorough proving of their hard thinking whether they recover a casque or not will be of great interest as well. Each have done a heck of a job following a certain logic and scale of comparison to the previously found casques that should help us in how we perceive these next puzzles.
I have a guess as to why Four21 has been unusually quiet, but I have no business sharing on that. As for Xie, if you’re following the SA forum, then you’ll see he’s hoping to do the dig as soon as work/school/life allows the opportunity to coordinate with the City archaeologist’ et al.

jsp

…If the working solutions (and some other ones in progress) are any indication, there have to be recognizable landmarks somewhere in the painting, landmarks that point you in the direction of the city (and apparently the general area of the city where you use the verse to get specific). But if nothing else, there are definitive representation of visible landmarks. Not just parts of the painting which sort of look like a landmark if you squint, but a representation (or outline) of the landmark, created from a Polaroid.

I think I posted one of these “Polaroid” type clues in the image of the white box with the Bowker overpass in the background; though, I am still not entirely sold on the Charlesgate and 2Cs solution, this was a solid match, I think.

I think its reasonable to say he had a reason to go long with literary references.  At the very least we might distill them to a rooftop for NO, a place maybe where leaves pile up in Houston, and a place named after the Warship mentioned in the Landlords Tale in Boston.

forest_blight

Question for the locals: Looking down on the C’s from above, is it possible that the pattern of seams and cracks matches the edge of the window in P11?

Also, sorry, I forgot to answer this. And it’s a fairly important question.
The answer is no. The patterning on the window is unique, and it was one of the first things I checked for. There’s nothing that resembles it in that area. Also, the half-circles that surround the globe in the image: The Cs in this location look very different.
I don’t know. There are parts of the verse that are evocative of Boston, for sure, but I think that’s working on assumptions until we figure out if the image matches, and if so, what it’s trying to tell us. If the working solutions (and some other ones in progress) are any indication, there have to be recognizable landmarks somewhere in the painting, landmarks that point you in the direction of the city (and apparently the general area of the city where you use the verse to get specific). But if nothing else, there are definitive representation of visible landmarks. Not just parts of the painting which sort of look like a landmark if you squint, but a representation (or outline) of the landmark, created from a Polaroid. So far, there’s nothing like that in Image 11. There’s a triangle inside a square, sure, and the Citgo sign is also a triangle inside a square, but again it’s not a clear representation and also the other landmarks have been of a more antique nature – statues, fountains, et cetera. A huge neon sign advertising a gas company seems out of place, even if it’s emblematic of Boston. I don’t say this to rule it out, just that it’s kind of tenuous.
The other thing is that while literary references happen in the verses, none of them have seemed to be integral to solving the puzzle (though they do seem to be helpful).  I’m thinking in particular of the Thucidydes and Xenophon connection: While the Horace Walpole letter may have been BP sneaking esoteric knowledge into a verse, it would be sort of crazy if knowledge of that letter were integral, since if you hadn’t happened to read it, you’d drive yourself crazy wondering what it means to have T north of X. If we think about this in 1983 terms, there was no way you could sit down at a terminal and ask a computer for any references to both Thucidydes and Xenophon. Google did not exist yet. If that knowledge were crucial, the puzzle would be unsolvable to anyone who didn’t happen to read Horace Walpole’s letters (in other words, basically anyone).
So while I’m not denying that the connection may be intentional, I don’t know that it’s crucial, either. I think it’s as likely as anything else that verse 3 is the verse for image 11, and wouldn’t die of shock if the casque referenced were in Boston, but without something a bit stronger in terms of visuals, we’re just fumbling in the dark in terms of the verse.

jsp

If we think about this in 1983 terms, there was no way you could sit down at a terminal and ask a computer for any references to both Thucidydes and Xenophon. Google did not exist yet. If that knowledge were crucial, the puzzle would be unsolvable to anyone who didn’t happen to read Horace Walpole’s letters (in other words, basically anyone). So while I’m not denying that the connection may be intentional, I don’t know that it’s crucial, either.

It’s like: “Here is a sovereign people who build palaces to shelter their heads for a night” and “What we take to be our strongest tower of delight”. There’s no doubt about BP smuggling in arcane knowledge, but the question remains, why. While I’m inclined to agree with the “that seems an unlikely clue because it’s impossibly obscure” mentality, the fact remains that they’re still there for some reason or other.
(On the subject of these odd references, though, it does seem to me that if you accept Sarmiento for NO you have to accept Edwin for Charleston by the same token. I don’t go with either personally.)

librarian

I have to say 41 is one of the few clear things to me in that image and Providence is the best major city match for 41-42.

Unknown

Unknown:
There will, perhaps, be a Thucydides at Boston, a Xenophon at New York

Boston is 42, 71 and Providence is 41, 71. 42 looks just as clear as 41 to me. (There are various things that might be 71.)
There’s also 02115 backwards…
It’s the zip code for an area of Boston which includes the 2C site.
And there’s Revere…and Thucydides and Xenophon, who jointly have two separate links to Boston…and no other image which could possibly represent Boston.
There’s the statue of Science outside the library which bears their names.
There’s the Italian connection. It’s in the list of cities at the back of the book. Forget Providence. It’s Boston for sure.

Re: the hawk/falcon, I was wondering about sports teams and the
Boston College Eagles
. Seems the original “eagle” was actually a hawk.
http://www.bc.edu/libraries/about/exhib … gle/3.html

WhiteRabbit

There’s also 02115 backwards…
It’s the zip code for an area of Boston which includes the 2C site.

Where is the 5? Could be just 0211 indicating the larger locale… Could be anything. I do think it is rather hilarious how the arm of the zip-area stretches out to envelop 2C. Was this the zip for the area in ’82?
Just questions.

Cynic.  😀

WhiteRabbit

Cynic.  😀

I’ll still investigate near 2C… I’m just sayin’…

Now that i’m on board with the lat/long theory, I am looking at SLC, UT for this one too.  The 4 on the cuff of her sleeve is obvious, and the filligree below it now looks like a 2 to me, to complete a 42.  (SLC is between 41 and 42 degrees longitude, and most images have included a pair of numbers for cases like this.)
I want to find a building which matches the castle on Pandora’s Box.  The next best thing is possibly this historic building, the McCune Mansion.
http://www.mccunemansion.com/index.html
The tower turret is only a partial hit, but proceed to the Photo Tour on that site.
http://www.mccunemansion.com/phototour.html
The first image has a dragon’s head in front of some silver scrollwork which might match the rest of our filligree. (I haven’t found any better pictures yet.)  Also on that first montage is a statue of a woman, but I cannot see enough detail to match her to the face of the woman in image 11 — if it did, it would be a nice confirmer.

if the McCune Mansion is correct, it is located in downtown SLC.  and take a guess what is right down the street…..yup.. a park.  Memory Grove Park.  Here is an old postcard from the park:
http://postcards.twobees.com/slc/memory_park.jpg
check out what is on top of the white pillar.  There are numerous orbs/balls in this P.  Could MG Park be our location?

There is a cursive B in, I believe, the lower part of the dress-front.  Utah is the Bee or Beehive state.
–Johann

i like your idea of alignment with the images erexere but with boston i keep going to the right
http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM20 … e_Memorial
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/492 … otostream/
http://www.hmdb.org/marker.asp?marker=37582
this is close to the sailors and soldiers monument and the holmes path
http://www.walkboston.org/resources/ima … monMap.pdf
the holmes path is called the “long” path now
reading about the great elm it always mentions “1812”  but i can’t find it on a marker
and don’ t forget the sailors and soldier’s monument has “by land and sea”  on it
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/488 … otostream/
man of
“letters”
and the cane, and a relative to the “stowes”  …….”stowed away”
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/488 … otostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/4886472003/
hope?
charles street gate

I haven’t figured in many important parts of verse yet.  Eighteenth Day has me boggled, except one idea that follows the Greek Fraternity link and would actually bridge some gap between clues is the 18th letter of the alphabet is Sigma.  Next door to Theta Chi (528 and 532 Beacon St.) Is Sigma Chi, the first and oldest Fraternity.  Chi in symbolism means many things, but one literary and optics idea caught my interest:  a concept called the chiasmus, where structure is implemented to achieve a balance.  This image has a lot of balance to it with the oculus, woman in the middle, hair evenly lifted to both sides.  The Falcon balances on one foot.  The globes balanced on axis.
Freedom Trail stuff looks good too.  I wish I was closer to Boston, this looks like a fun place to investigate.

erexere

Eighteenth Day has me boggled.

(You’re aware of Boston’s Revere/Longfellow connection…?)
Eighteenth day / Twelfth hour / Lit by lamplight
“…the midnight ride of Paul Revere, On the eighteenth of April…Hang a lantern aloft in the belfry arch…”

Yeah, I got that too.  Just reworked some new ideas in my previous post.
I’ve been hooked into a different process lately.  All the immediate history is a gauntlet to be navigated by the nuance of a madman.  Revere is a great find, but too likely and so I rub my eyes and look again.  The Greek historians…how do they tie in an is it just one way or a double meaning?  I wasn’t that comfortable with the arbritrary assignment to bridge and intersection and just being the BPL (starting place?) Didn’t seem good enough, especially if the trail smells Greek.  The problem is finding a lid to the box (metaphor, sorry).  I wonder if 18th Greek letter is that lid.
What could the “4” and “2” wrist cuff mean?

Here’s the road segment match: (no rotations)
Here’s the alternate angle if we are to assume Priess’ use of “back to the stairs” was a reference to the “five steps” as opposed to a real set of stairs on the other side of these globes.
Five Steps – (rotated about 30 degrees to make the stair level)

that 42 is the lat/longitude number erexere
this is the the italian picture erexere
the gem
wanted to show this too because of the “wee”  and “small”
http://ctmonuments.net/2010/05/founders … al-boston/
i think the shape of boston common and the public garden is the box and the light shining from it
here’s a good map of everything in the gardens——–even my football helmet
http://iwalkedaudiotours.com/iw/wp-cont … Garden.pdf

erexere

The Greek historians…how do they tie in an is it just one way or a double meaning?

In verse 12, “M and B” were musicians engraved on a wall at the starting point of the trail. It was purely a visual reference, very similar to Thuc and Xeno. They didn’t figure again in that puzzle, although they possibly have a guest appearance in this one…
…just as Thuc and Xeno had a cameo in Cleveland’s Cultural Gardens…
http://www.culturalgardens.org/gardenDe … ardenID=11

so would the Public Garden, and the boston commons, be considered in the Little Italy
of boston
maybe im not understanding the country clue
not sure why grant park was irish…. i didnt think that part of town was considered irish
cleve. greek because of the greek and italian garden
lake park G on the tree for germany  letter from the country
Of wonderstone’s hearth
i would have too look up some of the others i thought i had
figured out

perfect area

Just thought I’d share this photo of the Paul Revere capture site near Lincoln, MA. I think it’s a little too far outside Boston to have any relationship to the hunt, although the circle shape reminded me of that odd door/window featured in the background of Image 11.

Euhirudinea

As with the Milwaukee solve and the 2Cs clue, I think Google Maps provides a lot of false positives if we attach too much significance to overhead views. I really think most of these images are meant to be seen from ground level. Any overhead renditions were probably inspired by paper maps (and their inherent imprecision with regard to boundaries), and as such, we should not be too terribly concerned if the image isn’t an exact rendition of the satellite view. Having said that, I generally don’t like geometric matches of any kind. As FB said, a circle pretty much looks like any other circle.

I think this is probably something to remember more often. Google maps has sort of turned armchair treasure hunting into touchscreen treasure hunting

The images were put together based on pictures that Preiss handed to the artist, correct?
Found an old pic of the rose garden… the shape is very distinguishable. I agree that it’s not an exact match bc of the tapestry or whatever that wraps around the woman’s arm in image 11, but that combined with the white stone / planter thing in the middle there is almost too much of a coincidence
I just can’t get past the pattern on the fountain in the middle

It would be if there weren’t multiple parks shaped like that just in the Boston area. For example, Longfellow park, which is the park which initially got my interested in this hunt. I (naively) read about it, looked at the image, and jumped out of the house to go here:
https://goo.gl/maps/cCEda
It’s right by the Longfellow House (feel at home!) that houses all of Longfellows letters (all the letters!) LONGFELLOW!!!! But nah, it’s an empty park with no visual matches
I think 421 has more than adequately explained the Circle/Robe for my needs. It would take something very, very strong to pull me away from the Esplanade. I’ve got a derivative theory from 421’s that puts the casque close by as well, but I’m not sure I’m allowed to post it, since 421’s is no longer public.
As usual, I live in Boston, work in Cambridge, and am happy to take photos of anything for anyone.

Killian32

I am really impressed with Fox’s “Litany Of The Jewels” post on Tweleve, and I wholeheartedly agree that this section of the story is meant to be used as a clue/confirmer to the location of the jewels. So many of them seem to fit perfectly (the Hellas/Greek connection in Cleveland, Milwaukee having a deep German heritage, etc).
That being said, this picture is supposed to be tied in with an Italian heritage, and Boston is one of the five cities with the highest number of Italian-Americans (along with Miami, Chicago, Philadelphia, and New York City)…

I like this as a confirmer too.
Killian32
did you find any Italian immigration in Salt Lake City?

According to a few sites I have checked out, like this one…
http://www.utahtravelcenter.com/statein … alians.htm
…there WAS a pretty good stream of Italian immigrants flowing into Utah. So my earlier assessment that it couldn’t be Salt Lake City may have been, uh, flawed.
This picture is honestly (in my opinion) the most frustrating of the lot. It just feels like there isn’t as much to work with here. There are just so many little things about this picture that stick out for me and feel like they should be significant, but might not be, like the one section of her collar that is shorter than the others, the crack on the wall just diagonally above the numbers, or the design on her robe. I think the building on the box was meant to be a HUGE confirmer, but we’re just having a hell of a time with it. What if it’s not even there anymore?

i agree, i’m assuming that the birds will be an EXACT match… this P is proving to be the most difficult

forest_blight

The bird in P11 is not an eagle, it’s a hawk. Eagles have huge beaks that take up half their heads. But hawks (for example, Cooper’s hawks) have tiny beaks just like the bird in the picture. There birds do not resemble each other.

I agree. That bird in the painting looks much more like a Coopers Hawk or even a Peregrine Falcon. I was so convinced I spent weeks earlier this year looking for hawk and falcon connections in the Salt Lake City area. I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a better/ correct match out there, but we should be careful when we are only looking for exact matches. Palencar uses artistic license in his paintings. In fact, I think it is necessary to obscure most images that are too recognizable. We may need help on this if there is a widespread belief that the eagle fountain cannot be a match. Has anyone come across a better match for the bird?

There seems to be enough evidence for Salt Lake City for this painting to try the next step of matching a verse. A few things about Verse 2 seem to ring true for me.
Here is a sovereign people
Who build palaces to shelter
Their heads for a night!
These lines always fit the Mormons of Salt Lake City for me.
My real purpose for this post is not those lines though. I want to share some thoughts on:
Gnomes admire
Fays delight
These lines seem so out of place. As gathered from dictionaries and Wikipedia a
Gnome is dwarflike creature who lives underground and guards buried treasure.
So what is would a gnome admire? Gold color? Gems?
I use to think Fay was only a reference to Fairies, but a recent internet search revealed another interesting Fay. Fay Wray was an actress best known for her role as Ann Darrow in the original
King Kong
movie. It turns out Fay Wray grew up in Mormon communities including Salt Lake City. I’m not sure what that all means, but I thought I should share in case someone can make sense of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fay_Wray

This is just my two cents, but I think we are jumping the gun here. I don’t necessarily think this image is Salt Lake city, when there is still much speculation on the lat/long numbers. Also, the eagle does not look  like the hawk, and the Mormon temple does not look like the castle on the box–and the window had to be turned upside down to make it fit. It looks like we’re trying to get the image to fit an idea, not the other way ’round.
That box castle looks a bit like the Disney logo (Cinderella’s castle) which might point to either Orlando Florida or Anaheim California, Lat/Long notwithstanding. It’s as much a resemblance as anything else that’s been suggested.
I think we really need to do more examination before deciding on a location.

There is evidence that the green street light tower is a replacement from the old one that stood just a few feet away in the middle of the brick pave. I believe its a critical part of the puzzle, fortunately we have the old 2009 Google street view to prove that displacement.
I have a dramatically improved theory on Boston since 2012. The last line “in truth, be free” is subtle as heck. It is telling us to look for a very specific “T” (T for truth) and find the backwards S symbol on the Somerset building’s iron gate where the vertical green light tower intersects it like a dollar sign “$”. The idea is that a reverse $ means “free”. Someone needs to dig in that spot between two globe light posts on the inside of the low fence line. Its just five steps in from the small fence gate that faces the water.

Massachusetts has a Safe Dig law, which sucks for doing a clandestine dig. It’s going to be tough to get permission and everything for digging anywhere, and getting caught violating Safe Dig carries an automatic $1,000 fine.

I still believe the casque is in Charlesgate in front of the Somerset.
Ive done my best to understand alternative theories, but I can’t help but lobby for the connection the LotJ has to the verse-image pairing that does the job of identifying a theme of exile and some place in a fenced in area (with metal walls) . All the letters that are “here to see” are simply letter “I’s”. Those being globe lights.

*shrug* I’m trying to dig my spot, I’ll let everyone know it if happens. I’m not going to be mysterious or anything, I’m sure everyone understands why I’m keeping it quiet. That’s what this is all about right? Become crazy/obsessed enough to actually stick a shovel in the ground. It’s the next step.

YES! Good luck!

Be confident Xiesh, be successful.

If you want a lookout let me know, I live in Jamaica Plain and work downtown. Happy to help you avoid that fine!

Thanks, I’ll be in touch. The ground is already starting to freeze in parts of the area, so with the red tape required it may (unfortunately) be next year. It’s going to torment me all winter if so.

Unknown

Unknown:
Yeah, but it is fun. Come join us.

Oh, I’m with y’all, but I’m not WITH ya’ll if you know what I mean!! LOL…..
I just dont’ think this is SLC. I dont’ think there is much that will convince me if what has been found SO far can’t convince–but then that’s the fun with this puzzle. It’s not just one opinion or idea that makes it interesting. I’m going to try to explore other places and other ideas, and you can explore the SLC ones, and we’ll all be happy!

I think this may be the image for the Canadian casque.
I know alot of you think this is Salt Lake City and Temple Square is the solution. However, in addition to the arguments against SLC listed above I have a few reasons why it might not be Temple Square:
1) It would be hard to sneak into in the middle of the night to burry the casque
2) A considerable part of Temple Square is not open to the public
3) It would be hard to be allowed to dig under any condition
4) It would be disrespectful
The key to figureing out where this image represents is to find out exactly what and whear the building in the box is. It could be Halifax Nova Scotia. I have been to Halifax and seen some similer looking buildings but not that paticulaar one it could also be Quebec. It could also be a building that is no longer there but was historically significant in the past.

I’m not convinced of SLC but I do think the picture of the lion heads posted on the Verse 11 thread do resemble the profile “face” in the woman’s hair.
Shseverin11

Xieish

Not as though there’s a spot where you can see all of the signs from one place.

You can see all the letters on the sign though. It’s pretty much the only plausible ‘all the letters’ we’ve seen so far.

I have a better one
I heard back from the park, I’m working on it! The “all the letters” spot gives up the goat so I’m hanging on to it until I get a crack at it, and I’m afraid of someone trying to dig without permission and ruining it with the park administration.

I always thought it was a good description of a post office, if there is one near your dig site.

I’ll PM some of you guys. It’s not that I’m being a miser, just don’t want to publicly throw it all up there while I’m in talks with the park for permission.

Xieish

I tried to dig today, we scoped out our area for a few hours and paid attention to people paying attention to us.
In order to demonstrate to my partner how quickly we could start turning some dirt, I stuck my trowel in the ground as a test & can no longer fully close my hand around the tool. I play a racquet sport and thought I sprained my hand, but I think I broke a bone. This may end the 2014 digging season for me.
The good news is we have a strong plan of attack – if anyone is willing to play lookout PM me, with 3-4 people we can probably dig. We stuck around until dusk, which appears to be the death knell for digging here. Cops showed up to set up at dusk for speed traps and monitoring the park in general. The lamp the site is directly under also comes on, bathing you in a beautiful LED glow.
It was 58 out today so the park was packed but a few more weeks should fix that hurdle.

Um…. Why don’t you just get permission to dig?

You can’t dig here, I’d love to. They won’t give it and are hostile to metal detectors. The city changed a lot after the
Bombing and they’re super alert to people with backpacks acting suspiciously.
You could absolutely dig here in 1981 though.

Merlot Brougham

Forgive me for jumping around on Boston theories, but can someone explain the inherent problems with the Victory Gardens being all the letters? People seemed to like it for a while, but I admittedly haven’t scoured the thread as well as I could have. That always seemed pretty good to me, a letter for every section and all:

This is my thought as well. The letters are here to see. The white planter thing in the middle of the rose gardens is a match for the pattern on the woman’s dress. The lady statue at the war memorial looks pretty similar to the lady in the painting and the war memorial is a circular shape right behind her – but that’s probably a stretch

Take what I say with a grain of salt, but the letters simply existing are not the same as being “here to see.” It’s
Not as though there’s a spot where you can see all of the signs from one place.
I’d need to see a much better match to the statue than the one I posted on the previous page or so. That isnt just a little match, it’s equivalent to the Juneau statue in MIL. Coupled with everything going on, you’re free to explore wherever, but I can’t say I’ll join in

I don’t mean to distract from the back bay, which I think is an excellent place to look, but Fox keeps saying how all ideas are welcome (at least, he did in 2004). I stumbled on some strange coincidences that I was hoping might be looked into. It’s something that could probably easily be discredited if it’s not right, but there are too many things lining up, and I thought some eyes on the ground could clear it up.
Has anyone looked at Statler Park in Boston more closely?
-It is very close to the Castle at Park Plaza (looks a lot like the castle on the box in Pandora’s hands).
-The building across Arlington Street from the castle (built in MCMXXVII, or 1927, so 1981 relevant) has a feature facing the castle that, from what I can tell on street view, closely matches the swirly panel on Pandora’s dress.
-It is on Columbus Ave. (Italian immigrant reference)
-The legs of the statue do not have similar imagery to the two columns next to Pandora, but the overall shape seems similar to me. Investigating the statue more thoroughly could reveal something previously unnoticed; e.g. it looks like a greek theme, possibly, so maybe it has X or T on there. Who knows until we look closely?
-There are little cylindrical features with domed tops; these may look like the feature in the very bottom right corner of P11.
-It is close to the Revere Hotel, which either is close to or is on the site of the Revere House, a 19th century luxury hotel. I can’t get a date on the current Revere Hotel, so I don’t know if it’s relevant to 1981. This isn’t so strong, though: every place in Boston has a Revere reference within a block, it seems.
I got really excited when I saw a place with “Little Italy” in its name, facing the park, but it appears to have been opened in 1991. Makes me wonder about the neighborhood and its possible Italian (immigrant reference) roots.
The Statler Park statue used to be a fountain, and sort of reminds me of the stonework in the top third of the image from dated photos I could find, but I think a better picture or boots on the ground might be able to give us a much better idea.
I’m going to be eating very near here in mid/late December, and can check it out if nobody bites. Again, could be a total dead end, but who knows? Anyone interested in walking it, looking for clues?

http://s11.photobucket.com/user/erexere … d.png.html

(I haven’t confirmed on the ground) I think the Lenox sign is primarily viewable walking down Boylston coming from the common/copley, but it’s hard to see from the ground from many other angles at distance, and Copley is a concrete jungle mostly digging wise.
I actually saw bunch of workers doing some re landscaping a few weeks ago in Copley of some sort in the large rectangular grass plot of closest to the BPL (I neglected to tell them to call me if they find a casque, I probably should’ve), but it’s so open the casque has to be a decent haul from the Copley. Though here are some small building-lot sized parks scattered in the general area but they don’t seem very appealing because of lack of size/privacy/features (though who knows these days, no stone unturned).

dosethree

(I haven’t confirmed on the ground) I think the Lenox sign is primarily viewable walking down Boylston coming from the common/copley, but it’s hard to see from the ground from many other angles at distance, and Copley is a concrete jungle mostly digging wise.
I actually saw bunch of workers doing some re landscaping a few weeks ago in Copley of some sort in the large rectangular grass plot of closest to the BPL (I neglected to tell them to call me if they find a casque, I probably should’ve), but it’s so open the casque has to be a decent haul from the Copley. Though here are some small building-lot sized parks scattered in the general area but they don’t seem very appealing because of lack of size/privacy/features (though who knows these days, no stone unturned).

I sort of like the old south church grounds somewhere on boylston with regards to a copley sq location. However copley is not at the top of my locations, it’s in the mix, but not at the top. Always agree with leaving no stone unturned, so wanting and willing to explore all options!

Coming out of left field here with this one…
I have read about references to Oz with this puzzle. Not just with the Roanoake one.
Let’s take Oz to the Boston puzzle now. Let’s go to Copley square. Square, a good word for “area” of his direction. Not what I am getting at though….
The Lenox Hotel has huge lettering on top of it. Possibly all of the letters from that sign are viewable from the dig spot. The next line, Feel at Home, well Judy Garland was known for staying at the Lenox Hotel. She lived there for some time. “there’s no place like home”..which takes us back to Oz.
Maybe? No? We may never know.

So, here’s an area of interest I found this summer. I wanted to explore firsthand before posting, but haven’t had the chance, so whatever.
“A green tower of lights In the middle section” and “the coliseum With metal walls” are both thought to be the Green Monster, but it doesn’t seem very economical to spend two lines alluding to the same landmark.
However, right in Kenmore Square is the
tail end of Commonwealth Ave
, part of the Emerald Necklace. This little park is interesting because there’s a conspicuous concrete arch which used to be a train tunnel portal that was filled in:
Here’s that portal in 1977, before a general park renovation:
Anyway, here’s the interesting part.
Hard to find pictures of this lamp. It looks like it’s painted dark grey, but I’ve seen photos of the other lamps donated to NY, Chicago and Houston and some of those are green. When it was newly dedicated, it may have been green.
Smack dab on the base is this pendant with an
embossed storybook castle
. It’s not a perfect match, but I like it. Maybe if you combine it with the building right behind the lamp:
Back in the day this was a well-known funeral home called J.S. Waterman & Son.
This park is probably not a good place to dig (and was probably altered somewhat when they redid Kenmore station in the 2000s.) But it is right in the middle of Fenway, Charlesgate, and the Theta Xi frathouse.

Trapezoid

So, here’s an area of interest I found this summer. I wanted to explore firsthand before posting, but haven’t had the chance, so whatever.
“A green tower of lights In the middle section” and “the coliseum With metal walls” are both thought to be the Green Monster, but it doesn’t seem very economical to spend two lines alluding to the same landmark.
However, right in Kenmore Square is the
tail end of Commonwealth Ave
, part of the Emerald Necklace. This little park is interesting because there’s a conspicuous concrete arch which used to be a train tunnel portal that was filled in:
Here’s that portal in 1977, before a general park renovation:
Anyway, here’s the interesting part.
Hard to find pictures of this lamp. It looks like it’s painted dark grey, but I’ve seen photos of the other lamps donated to NY, Chicago and Houston and some of those are green. When it was newly dedicated, it may have been green.
Smack dab on the base is this pendant with an
embossed storybook castle
. It’s not a perfect match, but I like it. Maybe if you combine it with the building right behind the lamp:
Back in the day this was a well-known funeral home called J.S. Waterman & Son.
This park is probably not a good place to dig (and was probably altered somewhat when they redid Kenmore station in the 2000s.) But it is right in the middle of Fenway, Charlesgate, and the Theta Xi frathouse.

This is some great stuff, thanks for sharing! This is also right near the Citgo sign and the “two A’s” as some people call it from her dress.

lamp is def part of the puzzle if not the treasure hunt.

Shazam! Thanks bclews, that is certainly the scrollwork I was looking for. But I don’t share Jambone’s enthusiasm that it’s a match to P11.

Any news on that scrollwork, amymisha?

I believe this is your scrollwork.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bclews/202 … otostream/
Bud

That’s an excellent match!

I have been looking at the streets of Boston,
and happened to “stroll” down Beacon street.
I believe that BP also took this route…probably
walked the “Freedom Trail”.  If you walk just a bit
farther down Beacon St., you will pass the
Massachusetts State House with the Eagle Monument, (the base
of which is thought to be the image of the stone circle )
Here are my comparisons.
The dome is on a building at the intersection of Beacon and Tremont.
The scrollwork on lady’s dress is seen over two doors at the address #11 Beacon St.
Just across the street from the “scrollwork” is the Boston Athenaeum.
Its doors have a resemblance to the lady’s shawl squares.  And the white top
posts in front of it look like the white top tables in image 11.
The glass balls can be seen outside the Scolley Square Building still on Beacon St.
This could be a reference to Paul Revere’s bell, which is located on the Freedom Trail.
(but I cannot take time this morning to pinpoint it.)
Here is a map that helps place some of the images in perspective. (except I did not
include the stone ring/eagle monument or Paul Revere’s bell on the map.)
Does this help give us a new direction to search in Boston?? What about
Thucydides and Xenophon?
AP

The dome, scrollwork, bubbles, and tables rock, the doors are close…
Whats that area in the picture labeled granary?
looks promising….

Malted,
the Granary Burial Ground is where all of the famous patriots are buried.
(along with the woman who is known as “Mother Goose”)
AP

There is no casque in any cemetary. That’s in the book. The Athenaeum is unlikely as you have to be a member to even get in the place. It’s a membership library–and though Thucy and Xeno would definitely be IN there, there are no “grounds” to bury a casque in.
Besides–aside from the doors having
squares
, there is absolutely no other resemblance to the lady’s dress decoration. There IS however a MARKED resemblance to the decoration in the paving tiles on Copley Square. That scrollwork is too generic, also.
This is really forced.

I must admit, that the scrollwork did make me jump when I saw it.
(especially the two figure-8 curves on the bottom)
This is not to say that the casque is buried here, but it does give
a “trail” to follow on Beacon Street…
What will it do to help find the casque?  I do not know yet.
aP

I agree with you but do keep in mind he fully expected all of them to be found within the year.

I can’t say that I’m convinced that the area is related or relevant to the hunt, but it does pass the test of time. Also, the small half circle above the quad is dedicated to Oscar Tugo, the first American death from WWI.
Direct Link
https://i.imgur.com/rJsILpQ.png
1978

Yeah. It’s just removed enough from the Fens that it might just be a coincidence.
Today’s thoughts:
“Take five steps in the area of his direction” is a direct command, but the next few lines (“A green tower of lights / In the middle section / Near those / Who pass the coliseum / With metal walls”) seem like they’re just clarifying where where that “area” is.
So, the lamp is at the western tail end of the Commonwealth Mall, which runs east to the Boston Common. Not sure how east would be the “area of his direction”, but that line might just be referring to the whole Mall– it’s an area that runs directionally. Not sure who the “his” could be, maybe Olmsted, maybe some lost theta symbol representing Thucydides. Either way, if you walk the Mall, you can only go east from the lamp.
If you cross five streets, you end up just past the Sarmiento statue at Gloucester St. If you turn left to face the water and walk, you’ll go all the way to Storrow looking directly at… the
Storrow Memorial Compass
, which has been discussed here before. Although there’s no convenient way to cross Storrow directly from Gloucester, we do end up looking right at a plausible endpoint after taking five plausible “steps” from a plausible startpoint.
I haven’t been to the compass area and I’m not sure how to suss out a digging spot there, but I do like this path.

Yeah. It’s just removed enough from the Fens that it might just be a coincidence.
Today’s thoughts:
“Take five steps in the area of his direction” is a direct command, but the next few lines (“A green tower of lights / In the middle section / Near those / Who pass the coliseum / With metal walls”) seem like they’re just clarifying where where that “area” is.
So, the lamp is at the western tail end of the Commonwealth Mall, which runs east to the Boston Common. Not sure how east would be the “area of his direction”, but that line might just be referring to the whole Mall– it’s an area that runs directionally. Not sure who the “his” could be, maybe Olmsted, maybe some lost theta symbol representing Thucydides. Either way, if you walk the Mall, you can only go east from the lamp.
If you cross five streets, you end up just past the Sarmiento statue at Gloucester St. If you turn left to face the water and walk, you’ll go all the way to Storrow looking directly at… the
Storrow Memorial
Compass
, which has been discussed here before. Although there’s no convenient way to cross Storrow directly from Gloucester, we do end up looking right at a plausible endpoint after taking five plausible “steps” from a plausible startpoint.
I haven’t been to the
compass
area and I’m not sure how to suss out a digging spot there, but I do like this path.

Well sure! Why not? It was probably running in 1981.

That’s what I thought.

WhiteRabbit

The spiky hair in this image previously reminded me of the Fiedler statue at the Hatch Shell, though a shoreline could be another possibility…eg, the North End.

I never thought the spiky hair was the Fielder statue, I always thought it was the strangely not spiky hair…
Either way… I do think that the distinct face impression is important as the texture is
so
different from the rest of the hair (i.e., not a bunch of split ends in need of some panteine pro v). Thoughts?

It is interesting how you brought Copley back into it, given that we were considering Copley Square for awhile there. Her scarf even looks like the faery’s wings (how do you find this stuff??).
According to your link, the lady in Blue is Hope (Hope was what remained in Pandora’s box, and dollars to donuts that’s Pandora in P11). Too bad that the National Gallery of Art is in Washington DC.

I think this is the fairy:
It’s a detail from a painting called
The Red Cross Knight
, by a Boston artist called
JS Copley
. (He was mentioned on P13 as having painted “Paul Revere, Nathaniel Sparhawk, John Hancock, Mrs. Thomas Boylston, and Nicolas Boylston”.)
The Red Cross Knight is a character from Spenser’s
The Faerie Queene
.
There’s a club called
The Somerset Club
(originally the Beacon Club) based at 42 Beacon St. The house was built on land originally owned by Copley.
(I’m starting to think the numbers in these images are multi-purpose.)
Another of Copley’s subjects was
Samuel Adams
, who was closely involved in the events surrounding the Boston Tea Party. He was also said to have been a brewer. (Possible link to litany verse IPA).
Another possible brewing reference is the
Brewer Fountain
on nearby Boston Common.
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I was considering the
Massachusetts State House
further along Beacon St. (No. 24, 42 reversed), with its roof by Revere, and that line “Face the water, your back to the stairs”. I thought about standing by the stairs in front of the building, facing the Brewer Fountain, then realised that looked very like where the “Symp/Trog” were. (
Bulfinch
worked on both buildings.)
Here’s a map showing the MSH and the fountain. I like Boston Common. I suppose it’s off-limits for digging though?
Someone suggested: “Feel a tome” for “Feel at home”. The fairy in the painting is holding a book. She’s also holding what looks like a snake in a goblet where the peridot should be.

I wouldnt think boston common would be off limits
there’s plenty of out of the way spots on the commons that would work
very similar to grant park in Chicago
or
the cultural gardens in cleveland…

Taking the virtual tour around the Quincy Market/Faneuil Hall
you see these clear glass globes EVERYWHERE ! If I were to
be sightseeing in this area, they would certainly make an impression…
(The Market was refurbished in 1975 so they were probably there in 1982)
Here is a terrific link to the virtual tour of the Market Place.
http://www.faneuilhallmarketplace.com/tour.html#

I notice that the building in the background of your second photo looks a lot like the Coliseum. I realize it isn’t, but the photo makes it look curved.

Shecarb,
The Quincy Market also has a “dome”.
http://www.celebrateboston.com/freephot … ket001.htm
It says that the Market was refurbished in 1975.
AP

fox

Very good point indeed Mr. Falcon.
Shecrab…there is a large fountain sort of in the center of the park.  Unfortunately, almost every thing I read about it, it seems to always mention the fact that it is dry and hasn’t run water in quite some time.  Couldn’t we still consider a dry fountain as ‘face the water’?   :-\

Shecrab, I believe this is the fountain I was referring to.  It is called ‘Brewer Fountain’.
Here is some info on it.  Not sure if this was the initial article I read but it also mentions the lack of water…….  However… the article does say:
“The figures represent mythological figures associated with water: Neptune, Amphitrite, Asis, and Galatea.”  So we have Water without even having Water!
http://boston.about.com/od/walkingtours … Tour_9.htm

Looking due east from the north side of the Boston Public Library, 1941…
What snagged my attention was the wrought ironwork on the lamppost. I would dearly like to see more of it and compare it to P11.
amymisha – about that camera…?

There are three sets of stairs in this area, one between the two circular areas, one at the top of the larger circle and one just beyond on the opposite side of the small roofed structure.  I think the lavender flower blossom is a position indicator for which stair we must have at our back as we face the water.  I think the green lamp post is centered in the perspective when standing on the back to stairs facing water spot, balanced on a virtual circle made by the larger ring and most importantly, in line with the Leif Erickson statue (yellow arrow and white diamond shape) which faces west (In his direction).

Looking at image 11, I tried to find what feature in Boston would
have inspired JJP to paint the “bubbles”.
If you look at Copley Sq. from Boylston St, you see fancy glass street lights.
But from St. James avenue, you see multiple simple “globe” street lights…
which could account for the multiple bubbles.

ap,
i’ve posted this before, but will again because i think it is indeed a clue.  Look at the white area in the bird that you just posted.  To me it looks like an eagle or some other bird with its wings spread, atop a monument or building of some sort.

2fast,
Funny that you should say that…because I  have been scrutinizing that
white area, too.  It looks too “defined” to be just a highlight.  There is
a sculpted eagle with wings spread, over the doorway of a building farther
down Boylston St.
The falcon’s tail looks like a silhouette of a building possibly.
AP

Forest,
With your library connections, maybe you can find a copy of:
Boston Then & Now: 59 Boston Sites Photographed in the Past and Present
By Peter Vanderwarker, Boston Public Library
Published by Courier Dover Publications, 1982
ISBN 0486243125, 9780486243122
http://books.google.com/books?id=mIaA2h … ry_s&cad=0
Looks like the comparison photos would be helpful.
AP

It’s not the comparison photos that would be helpful, but the fact that the “new” photos date to 1980! I’ll request the book shortly.

Here are some great photos of the entrance to the Boston Public Library…(circa 1970-80?)
The sculptures are still “green”.  Look at those street lights!! More globes…(that do
not exist any more)
Does that green shrubbery/planter to the right exist now?

I would like to know the year this was taken….
Sculptures are still green…

Kalessin

However, there is/was a bowling alley under the southwest corner of Fenway Park from the 1930’s until 2004, I believe called Ryan’s Amusements at the end, at the corner of Landsdowne St. and Brookline Ave.

Wouldn’t that be the site of the Cask n Flagon? I believe that has been there since 1969ish.
Edit: My bad. I missed the southwest corner part of your post. It’s easy overlook those buildings and consider them part of Fenway Park.

BINGO

Wouldn’t that be the site of the Cask n Flagon? I believe that has been there since 1969ish.
Edit: My bad. I missed the southwest corner part of your post. It’s easy overlook those buildings and consider them part of Fenway Park.

My bad, too… my whole location description was poorly worded.
The intersection of Brookline Ave. and Landsdowne St. is a little tough to describe with compass directions. In this section, Brookline Ave runs SW to NE. The bowling alley was where Game On Fenway! is currently located, at the more southwestern corner of the intersection, which is southwest across Landsdowne from the Cask ‘n Flagon.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Cask+ … -71.097921

I like this as the little map thing in right side of the image, with it being so close to fenway. musical note could be so many things and is in the direction of the conservatory, berklee, and symph hall. Who knows.
https://imgur.com/a/L6ttkTY

strike13

I like this as the little map thing in right side of the image, with it being so close to fenway. musical note could be so many things and is in the direction of the conservatory, berklee, and symph hall. Who knows.
https://imgur.com/a/L6ttkTY

Great idea there Strike, I’ve never seen anyone with that thought.
Kalessin/ Bingo
So there is information regarding a bowling alley near Fenway. That’s great to hear. I just couldn’t make sense of the blue ball on top of the milk bottle without thinking of the old time bowling lanes.