MrBackstop

Great idea there Strike, I’ve never seen anyone with that thought.
Kalessin/ Bingo
So there is information regarding a bowling alley near Fenway. That’s great to hear. I just couldn’t make sense of the blue ball on top of the milk bottle without thinking of the old time bowling lanes.

What’s the milk bottle in the image?! Her dress?

Let me add this to the Back Bay Fens area…..I’ve never seen anyone discuss the number 1105 on Erin’s left arm. As I researched this number I realized it is the address for St. Clement, 1105 Boylston St.
Also, look at the right shoulder of the fairy holding the green jewel….blow it up as big as you can. What do you see? As a baseball guy I’ll tell you what I see, ….I see the red stitching of a baseball seam. I never noticed this or the reddish color until a couple weeks ago.
I feel both of these clues are just more info from the puzzle sending us to the Back Bay Fens.

The milk bottle is in the bottom right corner with the blue ball on top. This is one of the ways bowling got stared in its early development.

This could also support my “stretch” theory; however, it could also point to several other cities as well. (several globes in P).. but.. the “stand” (lack of better words) holding the globe looks like a capital “B” tilted to the right.
http://www.newseum.org/media/dfp/lg/MA_BG.jpg

I stand corrected
But then it doesn’t work
As the picture shows in reverse
1 4 1 11
Or  1412

Thanks for the comments.
I was suggesting:
III . 1 4 II (non reversed)
The “feather” is the 1 of 14. It’s fairly tenuous I admit…

maltedfalcon

Pi is 3.1412 not 3.142

…it starts 3.14159, which rounds up to 3.142…

Nice work, Rihel…and thank you for clearing up some of the Copley square images! They were, unfortunately, some of our best matches.
If your next forays don’t pan out, it will be time to consider other latitudes/longitudes as the location, rather than Boston, IMHO.
Good detective work!

other than Boston? how? oh yeah, this is for the image, not the verse. but, if this isn’t bean town’s image, what is?

me again!!
I am not trying to start this argument again but I have never thouht this was Boston. I think this is the Canadian Casque. I think we have the right verse matched to this image and if I am sucessful in working with the city of St. Louis I think we can confirm the Image and verse match to St. Louis this image and New York.
But for now the main reason I think this is Canadian is because I think the Canadian maple leaf is hidden in the flowers.
If this is the Canadian image then there are three places based on the images clues that stand out to me.
One is Sault Ste Marie this is possible because the neck line could be the two tip canope on the water front. I do not think this is the case because outside of the neck line I have found no other clues in either the image or verses that matches.
The second is Toronto this is a possibility because the image in the box could be Casa Loma. This is the most likely location. I do not remember what I did but I googled Thy and Xen and got references to Toronto and St. Louis. The STL references seened to be recent. High Park is the likely park if this is correct.
The Last possibility is Quebec City. We found a similer looking building to the box image there.
It is possible that this image and Image 3 could be Canadian. The armor is the key to finding the park that this image goes to. I will seek outside analysis of the armor soon.
Sorry to say fox but Boston may not have a casque.

fox

other than Boston? how? oh yeah, this is for the image, not the verse. but, if this isn’t bean town’s image, what is?

I don’t know…and I don’t have any info yet. However, we do know that there is more than one lat/long in the image, so it might be at another combination of numbers–and that’s going to be tough to decide.
It matches some elements for Quebec, but since this is the Italian gem, it will be on a border, or North/South Dakota, or Washington DC, according to the list in the book. Quebec doesn’t really fit those ideas.
I’m just speculating right now. I do not think the castle matches Casa Loma in any way. No more than it did for Salt Lake’s Mormon temple.

Unknown

Unknown:
Who says the 5 steps are instructions from the starting point?

Only people who don’t really understand how the verses work IMO. I’ll grant you that Chicago is mostly linear (albeit circular) but Cleveland clearly is not. And if you follow Milwaukee in a linear fashion, I guarantee that you will end up in the one place the casque is not, as 421 outlined in this post over a year ago (
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=773&start=585
). The same is true in Roanoke, although people still insist on tearing up the overlook to the point that the park service has had to post signs and install cameras. The point is that “5 steps” could apply to something at the beginning, the end, or anywhere in between, and this would be consistent with at least some of the other verses, including one of the two solved puzzles.

I doubt the accuracy in these google images. Sure would be great if someday a person could verify the accuracy of these lines as well as count off some paces in that shrubby fence line.

The fella on facebook was convinced it was near the flagpole straight out from home plate. Area hasn’t changed at all. I don’t remember his reasoning, but it wasn’t exceptional.

BINGO

To me, the coordinate evidence that you are proposing is the weakest of everything you have offered.
In 1981-82 lat/long coordinates would be very general. That is, degrees would be the only accurate data that the normal citizen would calculate from a map. Anything with accuracy down to minutes and seconds would be a dream.
Not impossible, but one would need a map with a lat/long grid printed on it AND hope there was enough detail on that map that shows the park you are looking for. They would next need to measure that map using the proper scale and then would need to calculate the distance measured from that scale and convert it to minutes and seconds of a certain degree.
If Preiss wanted us to decipher this from the numbers you believe are coordinate data, there would be no reason to sprinkle in square roots or other manipulations of those numbers. A full and clear list of the coordinate numbers would be disguised well enough on their own.
If you don’t believe me, give it a try with a ruler and a map and let me know how you make out. Google maps and GPS have made navigating life a bit easier in the last 37 years.

I agree, but it did land me in the park.

I made several visits to Langone Park, and when I came across the sundial, I felt it had to have some significants. Then I saw what was at the 12 o’clock position. Then, I thought about the final lines of the verse. “18th day, 12th hour, lit by lamp light, in truth be free”. And I applied it to the sundial, which led me to my spot.

This is the next part

The lamp that is directly in front of the Langone Memorial bench’s. But it didn’t end there! “ lit by lamp light in truth be free” this told me the casting of a single lamp would narrow my search even more. Then my fellow hunter noticed that in the painting, there is only one source of light coming from above the woman.

I know, it was now down to a radius of 360* around the lamp, but I felt I could narrow that down even more. There was the sidewalk were the bench’s where. Then it hit me! The casque in Cleveland had been buried behind a wall, what if this was the case for Boston? That would put it behind the bench’s, on the other side of the wall, where only a small amount of lamp light would fall. This is the spot.

This is my spot. On the burm behind the wall, by the bench’s.

I’m sure BINGO is all over it with his GPR. Can’t wait for the results.

Has anyone considered reading the verse backward while at the Charlesgate circles for a digging spot? Facing the water, back to the first set of stairs facing the green light poles over the overpass taking five steps toward the him (green monster). Would be somewhere between the brick utility building and the first circle.
An interactive map that diggers can overlay an “X” where they have dug would be helpful if anyone has skills out there.

strike13

Second fave is Michigan?

no way, def the triple robert clue in sf…goes through crowley hubbard and parsons…the best.

jayheedan1

An interactive map that diggers can overlay an “X” where they have dug would be helpful if anyone has skills out there.

Just about every angle has been thought of, dug, probed, etc. This map was made from digs between 2013 to Februaryish of this year.
I gave up after a dozen new holes showed up and were never backfilled.
https://flic.kr/p/23kz23r

So its not accurate to say an axis can represent a geometric motif which connects two points on a globe, in this case a straight line through a sphere?
There seem to many references in dictionary sources that do describe an axis as a line which divides a shape evenly. It seems perfectly plain to suggest this line connects two opposite points on the globe. Whats up maltedfalcon?

There’s a gate on along the walkway just north of the 2C’s.
WHAT IF you take five steps after stepping through that gate?
WHAT IF the Somerset building’s antique gate with the two SS’s are seen as $$ symbols? (Peridot of old Italy: antique, and olivine, and rich…$$?)
WHAT IF the tower of lights is a vertical confirmation of being on the correct line of sight from the direction of the casque?
WHAT IF the metal fence existed in 1982 and as long as nobody is opposed to a metal fence being a “metal wall”, a “T” intersection in the fencing could be confirmed by the shape of the falcon’s perch?
WHAT IF illustrators couldn’t resist Fair Folk foolishness and placed supporting ideas (not intended for the purpose of reliance for solving the puzzles, as Byron said you really only need a poem and a verse…just shadowy sneaky behind the scene type hints) throughout the book? (Like the Job Goblin on p198 as a Houston clue or the Tax Burden on p214 for this Boston clue?)
WHAT IF Thucydides and Xenophon are “T and X” or TaX? (merging a clue found on the last page of the book with the image on the front cover)

True line of site.

cw0909

how close are these
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ads55ugc0d1z … 160656.jpg

Corner of Arlington and beacon

wk

I think it is this place. The roads join and then go over a bridge.
https://goo.gl/maps/75AuZ
Get a photo of the lampposts aligned from the bench, please.

From what i called 18 bench?

I think it is this place. The roads join and then go over a bridge.
https://goo.gl/maps/75AuZ
Looks nothing like this in real life.

Just found a joint… yeah!!!

Time to leave…
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wyc88q0xuj7d2 … 0.jpg?dl=0

421 im rooting too, good news the area your looking at, hasnt seen much improvement
https://archive.org/stream/charlesriver … 8/mode/2up

421 see the what looks like a road/s, street, off the N in boston, is there a pathway that looks like that there
that deadend line might be the spot, it a u shape with a line off the top left corner, and then in the lower right
it looks like a backward L and stops

cw0909

421 see the what looks like a road/s, street, off the N in boston, is there a pathway that looks like that there
that deadend line might be the spot, it a u shape with a line off the top left corner, and then in the lower right
it looks like a backward L and stops

try as i might, i have not been able to find anything that resembles the mark. i wouldn’t doubt it’s a clue of some sort.

421 i know not exact match but maybe take a look around…
footbride is sorta like the mark, near the N in boston,
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.353039, … jGE_4g!2e0
set of stairs at footbridge,is that the deadend looking line on the U mark
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.35292,- … 72zDdw!2e0
overhead, imagine U thing flipped/reversed
https://goo.gl/maps/B6Dgf

how close are these
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ads55ugc0d1z … 160656.jpg

cheers to u too
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ads55ugc0d1z … 162950.jpg

I think it is this place. The roads join and then go over a bridge.
https://goo.gl/maps/75AuZ
Get a photo of the lampposts aligned from the bench, please.

Unknown

Unknown:
Another thing that nags at me are the swirls on the box–no one has yet given any explanation or ideas for those. I don’t think they’re only ‘filler’.

I’ve thought that the swirls on the box as well as on her dress front to look like ornamental wrought iron–like you’d find on a gate…

I suspect that when Preiss took the picture of the dig spot to send to JPL, a black bird flew into the frame. So BPL assumed it was somehow relevant to the puzzle.
Wonder if that bird is still flying around the dig spot?

Thinking back to 1981, and an earlier discussion of this image,
it was thought that the bird on the T could simply be the
Boston references (Larry Bird, T – subway).  With the claw
matching the coastline – I am more than willing to accept this
interpretation.
Nice job on Pandora – I wonder who originally wrote her story?

Unknown

Unknown:
Nice job on Pandora – I wonder who originally wrote her story?

Maybe it was Thucydides or Xenophon…

Where is this fountain exactly?

2fast4u2c

could this be our fairy?  not an exact match, but close
http://www.flickr.com/photos/informatio … 311188468/

Melissa will have to review the muses with the image when she visits.

Just another thing for Insatiable to do.   8)  The window has some characteristics in it other than just #’s.  I suspect that if you see it, the casque is there. (or used to be)

lizardlips

Can someone remind me of why we settled in on “black falcon,” except for the obvious port/street Boston connection.  Because the markings would tend to lead me to another type of falcon.
Thanks,
lizzy

I don’t think the falcon is for black falcon terminal or street, I think it is for something we have not found yet or has some other meaning besides the obvious.

boogieman

Just another thing for Insatiable to do.   8)  The window has some characteristics in it other than just #’s.  I suspect that if you see it, the casque is there. (or used to be)

Hey boogie
To bad this is the new fountain, I think.

When that pic was found, we were like “Eureka we found it”.  It turned out to be a water stain.  But water takes the path of least resistance and I figured that as many times they removed it, the stain always came back.  It’s probably there now.  Just not back in 82′.  Anyway, the fountain is arched and the window is round.  I can’t figure what the markings are on either sides of the window, on the lower halves.  I saw a huge manhole cover the other day that looked similar and those lines in the image were actually latches to open it.  Maybe with all the underground water systems in Boston, there might be some huge cover there somewhere.  I’m talking three times the size of normal ones.
I hope you have some help tomorrow.  I can see you walking into poles, tripping over curbs.  Just don’t get hit by a car.

In this new flurry of creative theorizing, let’s not forget what may be the biggest clue of all in P11: the girl herself. It’s pretty obvious that she is supposed to represent Pandora, but why? Is it just an artistic throw-away? A red-haired red herring? The P’s do contain elements that have little or nothing to do with the solution, but let’s assume that Pandora is somehow important to the solution here. What is it about Pandora that could lead us to the casque?
All about Pandora:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora
Some pictures that ring a bell:
I would love to know JJP’s title for this P.

Well done FB.  Maybe we should ask him.
Looking for Pandora, i found this;
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1530584
In 1869, they built the temporary coliseum made of wood, not metal, at Copley Square for the National Peace Jubilee.
I also found this about Pandora’s Box.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.h … 8389669FDE
I had access to the full article the first time I went to the site, but the second time i went to it to post it here, I found you need to join the site to read it.  It went on to say that the National Jubilee and the Coliseum opened the door for alcohol and beer to be purchased on the Sabbath, “Opening Pandora’s Box”.
Could such a newspaper article from the 1870’s be relevant to this hunt?
edit; here it is:
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … ref=slogin

I don’t buy that there is a 41 clue in this image. 42 for sure (her cuff). The 43 is on one of the things hanging off her sleeve, on the right. Square = 4, triangle = 3.

forest_blight

I don’t buy that there is a 41 clue in this image. 42 for sure (her cuff). The 43 is on one of the things hanging off her sleeve, on the right. Square = 4, triangle = 3.

the 41 seems obvious to me after someone pointed it out. it was one of the first things that drew my attention but i didn’t understand why until someone pointed out it was a ’41’. or at least a ‘4’. the ‘4’ there looks like a corner was missing from another block so they filled it in with a small block but i have yet to see this happen with any archway and i’ve been obsessively looking at stone archways for days. maybe in a wall it might occur but definitely not on the primary row of stones in an archway. maybe it is a key identifier for one particular archway… but i don’t think so. i just haven’t seen even 1 example stones being arranged like that except for maybe bricks where every single row is staggered. to me, the ’43’ seems like a much bigger stretch than the ’41’… if you start looking for numbers in those vines you’ll find them if you want to find them… i see 3s, 2s, 6s, 9s, maybe a figure 8 and a few cursive letters as well…

Merlot Brougham

The visual clue. The 4 from the Cambridge Common building that matches the font of the 4 in the image which is a stone’s throw away from the church I posted. Those are all visual clues from the same immediate area as part of the larger Cambridge Common theory.

what church is that? i will admit that the 4 looks pretty dead on but the church only resembles the castle a bit and i really think that i could find a similar 4 near a similar church elsewhere… also, it looks like the bottom of the 4 is on her left arm, but for some reason, the top of the 4 is on right arm and the top of the 4 from the image is different than the 4 in the photo you posted

i guess that it isn’t necessarily the other part of the same 4 on her other arm because it doesn’t really look like they would line up

i always thought the 4 of that 41 looked like a 9 because its closed and square
i think this is the building on the box
http://www.dupontcastle.com/castles/parkplaz.htm
then a hint to boston would be the  quote from a letter to Sir Horace Mann
There will, perhaps, be a Thucydides at Boston, a Xenophon at New York
http://images.library.yale.edu/hwcorres … =74&type=b
and maybe another hint to the castle building would be that
walpole wrote a Gothic horror novel, The Castle of Otranto (1764). i know a stretch
forgot the italian theme too
Otranto (Italian pronunciation: [ˈɔːtranto]

New Photos:
(nothing new, but to prove that I gave it a shot lol)

(RE: The above photo) The snow that hasn’t melted in that spot from last time should’ve been enough evidence for me that the ground was frozen but I still tried lol and I pour some water trying to that it but I didn’t have much.
Here is another spot that looked like it had been dug (with another metal box in the background)

Both sets of stairs in view:

I realized that the overpass had a sidewalk I could walk up for aerial photos:

whoops i’ll try that again:

and another:

The more I look at it, the more I don’t think that this represents this location. Really hoping someone can talk sense into me because I have no idea where to begin otherwise…
I have no clue why the orange line is there… why does one circle have a globe in it while the other one doesn’t? etc

also, why is one of the rings is checkered and the other isn’t?
i’m still happy to dig here and planning on it when the time comes but hoping someone might have explanations…

Whitey9457

also, why is one of the rings is checkered and the other isn’t?
i’m still happy to dig here and planning on it when the time comes but hoping someone might have explanations…

There’s always the Cambridge Common Theory.
tm
edit:  Good work out there today, by the way.

Also when I google the 41st and 42nd north parallel, Boston doesn’t fall between them…

It seems like an impossible task, solving one of these puzzles, and even with all our hope and wishful thinking, you could be just a few feet away from a cask and you wouldn’t know it…so frustrating.  All I ever wanted most was for these to make total sense from a thematic perspective.  I’ve played with a lot of wildly imaginative ideas and after that phase I’ve come to the conclusion that its going to be a fun and sensible solution, not relying on big leaps and scavengeneering.
When I referred to it as the 2C, I was thinking of a pattern similarity with Milwaukee’s Grand 200 as the Grand Stair which was shapped like two Roman Numeral letters, CC=200.  In this case, I thought it was a tinge of wordplay and “all the letters are here 2 C” was the plan.  I’ve abandoned those kinds of ideas since finding there’s no evidence to support such methods.  Creativity has no limits…and that is a dangerous thing.  To find a casque we must limit ourselves to understanding and keen perception.  Like that Waldpole quote or the historic 18th day, 12th hour association that strictly brings Boston to mind.
The cultural theme seems unclear to me.  Is it Celtic, Italian, or red-head Scottish or Nordic Viking?  The woman’s hair looks like its fanned out, but why?  Is there a constant warm draft of air rising up where she stands?  Is she touching a tesla coil?  In any case it seems to indicate something…its just tough to process the Individual pieces and then find a convincing fit to a single area.  From thepicture alone we could be anywhere, which is why we need to focus on the verse, those are tbe words that will constrain us to short set of features that work together in isolating that unique spot.

that metal box that use to be on the small pad to the north was viewable from an old pic from google street view.  The metal box by the small building is new; there use to be an old electric panel on it’s north side.

Hi whitey and well done.
I was working on proving to you that it was Boston and Massachusetts when you started posting and it has been very  interesting. Here is a rough outline of the state but it is mirrored. Notice the yellow lines on the right match the bordering states of New Hampshire and Vermont. I think the sloping table at the bottom is part of the outline too. Read my post about squiggles, where the artist say is given a simple outline and has to make a picture using it and it might make more sense.

Whitey9457

and another:

There is the crack at the bottom!
I prefer that side where the graffiti is anyway as it shows on some views that it sheltered by bushes.

Maybe I’m just slightly frustrated, and I am still certainly up for digging in the 2C location, but I’m really still hoping that I can be convinced better before the time comes.
What is the zip code clue? 02115 is the zip code in that location if I’m correct… I’m assuming that the area around the flower petals is what you’re looking at?
In the solved solutions – wasn’t the image what indicates the city and the verse is then the map within the city? So the X and T lines might make more sense once we find the right city instead of us basing the city on them… same with the Longfellow quote…
Since everyone seems pretty certain about this location and we can’t dig there until spring anyways, maybe in the meantime we should look at other cities just in case? People have been looking at boston pretty seriously for at least 5 years and there really hasn’t been any dead matches. and boston is really a pretty small city i’ve walked back and forth across this city numerous times. maybe the clues were destroyed, but who knows maybe we’re just in the wrong city. No one has given a different city serious thought in quite some time it seems…
I’m still only up to page 60 of the comments so i’m still not sure how things progressed to the 2C area, but when I read the solutions for the solved puzzles they make more sense than the deciphered clues here so far.

Whitey9457

What is the zip code clue? 02115 is the zip code in that location if I’m correct… I’m assuming that the area around the flower petals is what you’re looking at?

Yep, it’s backwards in the petals.

wow now reading that the chicago puzzle also used 41 as a clue…
so both chicago and cleveland used 41° N latitude as a clue and there appears to be a 41 in image 11 and yet people are ignoring that and focusing on boston… (which would be between 42 and 43, not 41 and 42)
If the walpole quote is the clue (and not the names carved into the BPL) then wouldn’t it just as likely be a clue for NYC since the quote references both of them? I feel like if the quote is the clue, then it is really referencing a third city and boston and nyc are mentioned in order to find that 3rd city… most of connecticut’s cities (hartford, new haven, etc) are between 41° and 42° so is providence… newport…
I guess i’ll drop it until i find some type of other real clue but my gut instinct tells me that boston is wrong (even though i want it to be boston because i live here) and no clue has really convinced me that it is here….but it still might be in Rhode Island/Connecticut which are both short drives from boston…

Whitey9457

If the walpole quote is the clue (and not the names carved into the BPL) then wouldn’t it just as likely be a clue for NYC since the quote references both of them?

But the verse also references Revere, so Boston makes more sense.
When people start on this there’s inevitably an unwillingness to accept any of the dogma. People would rather make their own way with it. Sometimes they come round. Sometimes we lose them to the Dark Side and they end up like Erexere.

whiterabbit, I’m your father.

Whitey9457

Maybe I’m just slightly frustrated, and I am still certainly up for digging in the 2C location, but I’m really still hoping that I can be convinced better before the time comes.
What is the zip code clue? 02115 is the zip code in that location if I’m correct… I’m assuming that the area around the flower petals is what you’re looking at?

Unknown

Unknown:
In the solved solutions – wasn’t the image what indicates the city and the verse is then the map within the city? So the X and T lines might make more sense once we find the right city instead of us basing the city on them… same with the Longfellow quote…

Unknown

Unknown:
Since everyone seems pretty certain about this location and we can’t dig there until spring anyways, maybe in the meantime we should look at other cities just in case? People have been looking at boston pretty seriously for at least 5 years and there really hasn’t been any dead matches. and boston is really a pretty small city i’ve walked back and forth across this city numerous times. maybe the clues were destroyed, but who knows maybe we’re just in the wrong city. No one has given a different city serious thought in quite some time it seems…

Unknown

Unknown:
I’m still only up to page 60 of the comments so i’m still not sure how things progressed to the 2C area, but when I read the solutions for the solved puzzles they make more sense than the deciphered clues here so far.

I’m not necessarily saying I personally subscribe, but that is the theory, yes. The zip code is a stretch to me. I have a hard time seeing the 5, and then you have the numbers doing double duty at that point.  I don’t necessarily think it’s vital to have that “clue” to get to Boston with the numbers as they already are in the image. Those mental gymnastics simply aren’t required.
Regarding coordinates, I’d suggest that it isn’t something to get overly hung up on in our modern age of being able to google “Boston coordinates” and get a decimal to the thousandths.  Preiss was likely looking at some Mercator map of North America and probably why he had to put a “range” in the first place. That’s not saying I disagree with the points your made.  As you also alluded to, you can take the 112 with the Utah looking stone in the arch from Image 11 and you can jump to Salt Lake City in no time. Unfortunately, SLC doesn’t fit in with what seems to be the pattern of port cities.
Do you not like the 70 on her left elbow?
This seems to be the case with the 2 solved casks, yes. I wouldn’t disagree that a fresh perspective might help.  I currently hang my hat on the Blyden reference and the Sarmiento quote to link Verses 6 and 2 to Charleston and New Orleans respectively, but I’ve also explored various combinations of verses/images outside of the ones we’re generally pretty certain of (i.e Image 3, Verse 11 is a 100% lock in my mind, so no need to fiddle with that).
I like Boston as the city, but it’s definitely the shakiest in my mind. A lot of it does have to do with the verse, yes, even though the two solved images were laid out exactly as you describe with the image getting you to the city and the verse being the roadmap once you’re there. I’m still mostly satisfied though, that that numbers in image 11 give us Boston.
On an only slightly related note, I still have a hard time reconciling Preiss’ “Right about St Louid [sic]” but not about “the location” remark. That being said, I am in the camp that he probably was not confirming treasure in St. Louis, but the exact opposite. I’m certainly not sold that he was talking about Louis Armstrong, though.
You’ll get to the Caimbridge Common theory.

WhiteRabbit

But the verse also references Revere, so Boston makes more sense.

I agree that the reference to Revere is probably the #1 piece of proof that it is Boston… but a reference to Revere doesn’t narrow anything down in Boston. If the image is meant to describe Boston and the verse is then meant to say where to dig in Boston, a reference to Revere doesn’t help… it could mean anywhere in boston… a reference to Revere in providence or newport would narrow it down considerably…
For example:
The largest bell Revere cast lives in the First Unitarian Church in Providence.
Cannons cast by Revere still live in and old armory building in Newport, RI (a location where Revere served in the militia for some time), etc.
Again, not saying that either of those locations are it… but I can’t get over the fact that Boston is not between 41° and 42° N latitude and I really think that some type of stronger connection would’ve been made by now if we were looking in the right spot. Boston has changed a lot but most of the really historical buildings I believe would’ve been protected. Also, there just aren’t many spots you can dig in Boston (granted, the 2C location is probably a spot where you could get away with digging)

Merlot Brougham

I’m not necessarily saying I personally subscribe, but that is the theory, yes.
Regarding coordinates, I’d suggest that it isn’t something to get overly hung up on in our modern age of being able to google “Boston coordinates” and get a decimal to the thousandths.  Preiss was likely looking at some Mercator map of North America and probably why he had to put a “range” in the first place. That’s not saying I disagree with the points your made.  As you also alluded to, you can take the 112 with the Utah looking stone in the arch from Image 11 and you can jump to Salt Lake City in no time. Unfortunately, SLC doesn’t fit in with what seems to be the pattern of port cities.
Do you not like the 70 on her left elbow?
This seems to be the case with the 2 solved casks, yes. I wouldn’t disagree that a fresh perspective might help.  I currently hang my hat on the Blyden reference and the Sarmiento quote to link Verses 6 and 2 to Charleston and New Orleans respectively, but I’ve also explored various combinations of verses/images outside of the ones we’re generally pretty certain of (i.e Image 3, Verse 11 is a 100% lock in my mind, so no need to fiddle with that).
I like Boston as the city, but it’s definitely the shakiest in my mind. A lot of it does have to do with the verse, yes, even though the two solved images were laid out exactly as you describe with the image getting you to the city and the verse being the roadmap once you’re there. I’m still mostly satisfied though, that that numbers in image 11 give us Boston.
On an only slightly related note, I still have a hard time reconciling Preiss’ “Right about St Louid [sic]” but not about “the location” remark. That being said, I am in the camp that he probably was not confirming treasure in St. Louis, but the exact opposite. I’m certainly not sold that he was talking about Louis Armstrong, though.
You’ll get to the Caimbridge Common theory.

it’s honestly the first i’ve heard of the backwards 70 on her elbow and now that i see it, it is fairly obvious that something is there… I could also see it saying other things, but taken with the possible “71”, maybe i believe it more… although, still… Providence is at 71.xx° W too. I’m pretty sure that they could get an exact reading of latitude/longitude back then… after all, the southern border of OR/CA/NV is at 42° (Or was the first thing that the backwards 70 looked like to me)… the border between CO/WY/UT/NE is 41°… they have been able to figure out latitude and longitude for long time… maybe if the author was a sailor trying to figure it out with a sextant i’d be more willing to give a bigger range but i think that he could at least get it in the correct range (between 41 and 42) and not between 42 and 43… a google search is telling me that at least on average there is about 70 miles distance between each parallel. 70 miles might not be much in the western states or something, but that’s more than the entire state of Rhode Island

Whitey9457

I can’t get over the fact that Boston is not between 41° and 42° N latitude

Not every image has pairs of latitudes. Where there’s a pair, I’ve never regarded them as bounding latitudes. That’s like saying, if it’s just got a 41, it must be 41.0000 or something.
Personally, as a Brit, I’ve heard of SF, NY, Boston, Milwaukee, Chicago, New Orleans…I’d never heard of Providence. Not in the same league if you ask me.
Honestly, though, arguing about it is completely pointless. By all means go research the rest of the continent. All I’m saying is, Boston is the best we’ve seen so far, and something would have to be better…really good…before anyone would take notice.

On some level, Preiss was an excellent researcher, but in the fact that he hurriedly laid these boxes in the ground I have a feeling he made some errors.  What those errors were is anyones guess.  When Egbert mentioned that he found the dig spot for Cleveland to be counter intuitive to the way it was described in the verse, being on the right side when facing from the seven steps up you hop side, it was the reverse of the description of beneath the 10th stone, 9th row, from right to left.  I think we have to be prepared for some switcheroo’s especially when it comes to a site that may be viewed or approached from multiple angles or sides.
Preiss might not have been fully aware of where his mistakes were made, since so few opportunities arose for him to check his work.  This reminds me of Kryptos where Jim Sanborn wasn’t aware for about 6 years after the K2 section was decoded that he fudged a letter and the CIA had the wrong final words “ID BY ROWS” when they should’ve had “X LAYER TWO”.  He didn’t realize his mistake because he saw they had what looked like the right answer and assumed they appended ID BY ROWS as some code breaking jargon.  It’s quite possible the artist Palencar made some unintended errors as well.  This coupled with natural changes in landscape really does some damage to our chances of detecting the right features needed to solve these.

WhiteRabbit

Not every image has pairs of latitudes. Where there’s a pair, I’ve never regarded them as bounding latitudes. That’s like saying, if it’s just got a 41, it must be 41.0000 or something.

Except that both of the puzzles that have been solved have had 41° be a clue and both cities were at 41.xxx°
If there is a 41 and a 42, I think it’s pretty likely that the casque would be between 41 and 42…. (if there was a 41 and a 40, I’d say it would be 40.xxxx)
The 41 and 42 are just some of the most obvious clues on the map so to completely disregard them or to assume it was a mistake i think is foolish
Providence might not be in the same league as Boston, but neither is Cleveland…

wk

Hi whitey and well done.
I was working on proving to you that it was Boston and Massachusetts when you started posting and it has been very  interesting. Here is a rough outline of the state but it is mirrored. Notice the yellow lines on the right match the bordering states of New Hampshire and Vermont. I think the sloping table at the bottom is part of the outline too. Read my post about squiggles, where the artist say is given a simple outline and has to make a picture using it and it might make more sense.

I’m still new to this but i’m still not convinced by that outline… I could probably find many states somewhere in that photo if i wanted it bad enough… and your outline doesn’t seem to follow any rules… using a few of the lines in there especially if things can be mirrored, etc. most obviously, the blue area in her arm looks like virginia…any block could look like colorado or wyoming (btw – the 41st north parallel is the southern border of both of those states)
am i alone in this? there just hasn’t been a single thing that has made me have an “aha! of course!” moment…
i also really doubt that he would draw a crack in a block to represent a crack in a block… he must’ve known that cracks are repaired…or continue to crack more, etc. i honestly thought that that “crack” was a feather…maybe it represents a river on a map…
really not trying to shoot anyone’s ideas down especially because i’m new to this but I also want to solve a puzzle this whole boston thing just seems like a snowball that went out of control when there really isn’t any hard evidence… the paul revere reference and the names on the library are the only firm boston references that I see but honestly i don’t even know why boston is being considered since it isn’t in between the 41st and 42nd parallels… and those are the only other really firm clues that i see…
just to throw out a random example – Providence is between those parallels and any architectural themes found in boston (stone arches, etc) would probably also be found in Providence… I also bet that there is some relation to paul revere in providence…(first result on google is a church that has the largest bell ever made by paul revere at an old church in providence) i also remember people mentioning that there was a theme for exiled people when it came to Xeno and Thucy. and who founded Providence? Roger Williams – a religious exile…

erexere

that metal box that use to be on the small pad to the north was viewable from an old pic from google street view.  The metal box by the small building is new; there use to be an old electric panel on it’s north side.

the electrical panel on the north side of the building is still there… it is one of the rustiest pieces of machinery that i’ve ever seen i can’t believe that it actually has electricity running through it lol

oh actually now that i think of it, it isn’t on the north side of the building it’s on the south side

WhiteRabbit

Honestly, though, arguing about it is completely pointless. By all means go research the rest of the continent. All I’m saying is, Boston is the best we’ve seen so far, and something would have to be better…really good…before anyone would take notice.

i’m not trying to argue i’m just trying to find the casque… It doesn’t sound like there are any new clues about boston either so i don’t see the harm in a little debate about the merits of the clues used so far. maybe you’ll convince me or maybe i’ll convince you. the odds of me finding a clue to prove it is Providence (or somewhere else) are a lot more slim if i’m working alone and if everyone already thinks that they know the location in boston then there is really no point in looking at boston any further until spring.
I think that the 41/42 clue is better than almost anything in support of boston so far except for maybe the revere reference (but again, i think the image is used to find the city and the verse is used to find where to dig… so the revere reference could mean other things)… (18th day, 12th hour could definitely be a reference to a clock tower with a bell cast by paul revere as there is in Providence…)

WhiteRabbit

Personally, as a Brit, I’ve heard of SF, NY, Boston, Milwaukee, Chicago, New Orleans…I’d never heard of Providence. Not in the same league if you ask me.

also on this point, being a bigger city isn’t necessarily a good thing as it limits the areas that you could dig in. this is most true for cities like Boston and NYC which have been big cities for a very long time… very little green space… big cities in the west and mid-west are much more sprawled than the eastern cities so even though their populations might be really high, there is still quite a lot of green space to dig up, etc. Boston is really a tiny city but of course it is a worldly city or whatever it is basically where america started

Image 11 Boston County outline
I overlaid a map of Boston onto the Pandora box part of the image and tilted the map to the right, aligning the rivers and coastline of the harbour to the drawing.
If you focus on the hand under the box and the carvings on the side of the box. Try to look at the lines, shapes and shadings and not the items depicted in the image. For example, there is a spherical shape behind the turret and roof in the top right corner of the box side. The curved line on the right matches the bend in the Mystic River.  On this curved line is a very small line at an angle towards the corner of the box. This is the Wellington Bridge!
Below the curve of the circle shape is a triangular gable end of a roof. This is Charlestown and the slope of the roof outline is a straight part of the Mystic River.
The top outline of the thumb and palm of the hand holding the box is more water around Boston. The Charles River joins the Chelsea River. These are all county boundaries of Boston. If you search Google Maps for Boston, and then zoom in, the boundaries are shaded pink.
One of the difficulties is scaling of the map or plan to match the image.
So ideally another reference point needs to be found to confirm the correct scaling has been achieved. In this case, it is a part of the looping ornamentation on the left side of the box. This matches the route of the Charled River and is still part of the pink county boundary. I zoomed in on the map at this point and there is an amazing tangle of turnpike roads at this point!

Here’s the Caimbridge Common 4 (credit to Xie.  I think he actually posted the Caimbridge Common stuff in the Verse 3 thread, not the this thread):
I don’t know how much of this is a re-hash here, but there’s also this from the SA thread (credit to Corek).  Gate at Harvard:
Hard to read, but the top of the gate contains John 8:32 – “Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free”
I like some of the iron work on the gate there:
Here’s the back of the gate:

wk

Image 11 Boston County outline
I overlaid a map of Boston onto the Pandora box part of the image and tilted the map to the right, aligning the rivers and coastline of the harbour to the drawing.
If you focus on the hand under the box and the carvings on the side of the box. Try to look at the lines, shapes and shadings and not the items depicted in the image. For example, there is a spherical shape behind the turret and roof in the top right corner of the box side. The curved line on the right matches the bend in the Mystic River.  On this curved line is a very small line at an angle towards the corner of the box. This is the Wellington Bridge!
Below the curve of the circle shape is a triangular gable end of a roof. This is Charlestown and the slope of the roof outline is a straight part of the Mystic River.
The top outline of the thumb and palm of the hand holding the box is more water around Boston. The Charles River joins the Chelsea River. These are all county boundaries of Boston. If you search Google Maps for Boston, and then zoom in, the boundaries are shaded pink.
One of the difficulties is scaling of the map or plan to match the image.
So ideally another reference point needs to be found to confirm the correct scaling has been achieved. In this case, it is a part of the looping ornamentation on the left side of the box. This matches the route of the Charled River and is still part of the pink county boundary. I zoomed in on the map at this point and there is an amazing tangle of turnpike roads at this point!

wk

Image 11 Boston County outline
I overlaid a map of Boston onto the Pandora box part of the image and tilted the map to the right, aligning the rivers and coastline of the harbour to the drawing.
If you focus on the hand under the box and the carvings on the side of the box. Try to look at the lines, shapes and shadings and not the items depicted in the image. For example, there is a spherical shape behind the turret and roof in the top right corner of the box side. The curved line on the right matches the bend in the Mystic River.  On this curved line is a very small line at an angle towards the corner of the box. This is the Wellington Bridge!
Below the curve of the circle shape is a triangular gable end of a roof. This is Charlestown and the slope of the roof outline is a straight part of the Mystic River.
The top outline of the thumb and palm of the hand holding the box is more water around Boston. The Charles River joins the Chelsea River. These are all county boundaries of Boston. If you search Google Maps for Boston, and then zoom in, the boundaries are shaded pink.
One of the difficulties is scaling of the map or plan to match the image.
So ideally another reference point needs to be found to confirm the correct scaling has been achieved. In this case, it is a part of the looping ornamentation on the left side of the box. This matches the route of the Charled River and is still part of the pink county boundary. I zoomed in on the map at this point and there is an amazing tangle of turnpike roads at this point!

it was just a page or 2 ago that someone tried to show me how the outline of massachusetts overlapped that same area…i’m not really buying the “outline of a state/city” drawings unless they are more clear… as in the symmetry of the tower in cleveland or that it is the isolated to a single area (like the blank space in her armpits, etc) kind of like the outline of illinois or ohio in the two puzzles. both of them used the absence between things to outline something. which you’re showing me isn’t the absence of anything but you’re just using parts of certain things so it doesn’t really make sense to me to use part of her hand and then part of the box, etc.

I’m going to keep reading the comments… i’m not trying to upset anyone so i’ll try and keep quiet until i find other clues or i become more of a believer in the boston theory… honestly i don’t think cambridge will be any better because it’s getting further away from the 41/42 clue but the pictures that you posted are compelling.

rihel

My point about St. Louis is that in 30 seconds, I can find things to make me believe (not really, of course) that the image represents St. Louis.  There is a Black Falcon Circle in St. Louis, there is a building called the Globe Building, there is a guy named Xenophon buried in some graveyard in St. Louis, and I guess there might be a Thucycides there, as well, or maybe in some other part of St. Louis, if I searched hard enough.  Maybe a reference to his book, or maybe a reference to a Greek historian, etc.  That was what I found in 30 seconds.  People on this forum have been spending years looking over images and clues.  And there is a bit of groupthink that goes along with that.  Once an idea reaches a certain amount of momentum, everywhere you look, you start to see confirmers of pet ideas, and everyone joins in, adding additional confirmation upon confirmation.  The result is that a n00b like me walks in for the first time, and I have to stratch my head at some of the things that are called solid clues.  Imagine if I started with the idea that St. Louis was the place for image 11.  I might start to go, hey, here is a pattern of stuff that links this picture and that verse to St. Louis.  If I head in that direction long enough, with enough people jumping on board, I will get more and more confirmers.  And it will be a lot harder for me to break out of that line of thinking once I and others started down that path.
This is especially true when wishful thinking is added.  I would LOVE for the casque to be in Boston, so I can directly search for it on weekends.  So groupthink + confirmation bias + wishful thinking is a dangerous brew for getting at the real answer.  So if I question a lot of stuff, sorry, but I have to keep all of those dangers in mind when thinking about this problem.

just came across this posting from 2008… and it basically says my exact thoughts…

Whitey9457

I’m going to keep reading the comments… i’m not trying to upset anyone so i’ll try and keep quiet until i find other clues or i become more of a believer in the boston theory… honestly i don’t think cambridge will be any better because it’s getting further away from the 41/42 clue but the pictures that you posted are compelling.

Also, just to throw it out there:
There’s supposedly a better angle that makes it more convincing but that’s what I dug up for now.

just keep in mind that any church you show me in boston that looks like the castle on the box, i could probably find 3 more in Rhode Island or Connecticut that look pretty much the same (there are also other buildings in Boston that look just as good or better to be fair).
some were armories, some churches, there are even old fire departments that are pretty convincing…

or college buildings (new haven, ct) …. or mansions (newport, ri)

just nothing so far that has made me say “BINGO!” and i think after looking in boston for this long we would’ve found something….

Whitey9457

or college buildings (new haven, ct) …. or mansions (newport, ri)

Not all college buildings, mansions, firehouse, churches and armories are in the immediate vicinity of other corroborating clues though (i.e. the 4)

Whitey9457

just nothing so far that has made me say “BINGO!” and i think after looking in boston for this long we would’ve found something….

I won’t lobby nearly as hard for Boston as I will for some of the other cities that are still potentially debatable for some folks, but if I had a gun to my head, I would tell the trigger man that I thought image 11 lead to Boston.

hi whitey, good effort today, hurry up spring LOL
maybe the wiki can answer some of your Qs, like the reversed idea of location iconic imgs
EX: clev
see the terminal tower in img, it needs to be rotated 180 to see it
http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/page/22148509/4_solution
as it looks
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-M_yEjNWPTu0/T … s+1+11.jpg

cw0909

hi whitey, good effort today, hurry up spring LOL
maybe the wiki can answer some of your Qs, like the reversed idea of location iconic imgs
EX: clev
see the terminal tower in img, it needs to be rotated 180 to see it
http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/page/22148509/4_solution
as it looks
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-M_yEjNWPTu0/T … s+1+11.jpg

that picture does help me get an idea of more of what we’re looking for… but i would also be cautious not to force something like that. if you notice the tower (and the space between the trees) is completely symmetrical and because of that, it stands out (not saying i would’ve noticed it but who knows…) imagine if you were now looking for something in the branches on the other side of the image… if you wanted it bad enough, i’m sure you could find something…

whitey i got the book back in the 80s and i grew up in clev, and did not connect
that img to clev, i didnt see the TT, the only img in book i thought hey that might
be, was img 6 to FL, and i happened to move there, but lost my book at aunts house
and just found again a few years back

Whitey9457

am i alone in this? there just hasn’t been a single thing that has made me have an “aha! of course!” moment…

hi Whitey –
you’re not alone in this. I live in Boston and I haven’t really been convinced by the current conventional wisdom about image 11 / verse 3. I laid out most of my thoughts
here
.

fyi whitey, since you live in B now, help out  and look for dig spots, you have a head start
on the clean up
http://fenwaycivic.org/2013/04/06/volun … r-cleanup/
http://fenwaycivic.org/get-involved/fen … iti-squad/

also the fact that people have been on the hunt in boston for years for this stuff with no luck or any really solid indications makes me think that maybe it’s the wrong place…. during the 80’s and 90’s i could see it being easy to just not find any clues because it was harder but in today’s world with the internet you think someone would’ve stumbled onto something by now…
just picking a name out of a hat basically, i might look into providence more simply because it is between the 41st and 42nd parallel and it is close to boston/ny so the quote about a xenophon and thuc. might make sense somewhere there… providence also has a rich italian culture (like boston)… similar architecture… and i really haven’t heard anything firm to make me think it is not providence… (maybe it’s best to start ruling out some other places instead of only focusing on boston). no one has really explained why boston wasn’t ruled out by the 41/42 clue… and any other numbers (71) are much more of a reach than the blatantly obvious 42 and somewhat obvious 41. it’s really funny that 41 and 42 are also used in the cleveland image as latitude there instead of longitude as i’d be using them.
that being said, this photo above the callahan tunnel leading to east boston i believe reminds me of the faerie on the image (and apparently callahan died while fighting in italy).

cw0909

fyi whitey, since you live in B now, help out  and look for dig spots, you have a head start
on the clean up
http://fenwaycivic.org/2013/04/06/volun … r-cleanup/
http://fenwaycivic.org/get-involved/fen … iti-squad/

that archway is like 50 ft from where the circles i was trying to dig at are… i investigated that area quite a lot. so far in boston, that area is probably the best area there would be to dig in… none of the other places mentioned could be dug up without someone bothering you immediately

Historic Landmarks boston and coords
not far from the Cs
Arnold Arboretum,Jamaica Plain
42.2978°N 71.1228°W
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Na … _Landmarks

Merlot Brougham

Not all college buildings, mansions, firehouse, churches and armories are in the immediate vicinity of other corroborating clues though (i.e. the 4)

not sure what you mean… almost every city in connecticut and rhode island is between 41st and 42 parallels

Whitey9457

not sure what you mean… almost every city in connecticut and rhode island is between 41st and 42 parallels

and all of them are fairly close to 71st meridian (at least about as close as boston is to the 42nd parallel…) but the 70/71 in the painting are not nearly as much of a “sure thing” as the 41/42 are

Not that I really think it is Providence yet, but after a quick google search just to see if anything looked familiar I saw these photos:
a number of post offices have stood out as well which rang a bell when it came to the quote about “letters”

cw0909

Historic Landmarks boston and coords
not far from the Cs
Arnold Arboretum,Jamaica Plain
42.2978°N 71.1228°W
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Na … _Landmarks

yes the arboretum would also be a place where you could dig without being disturbed i’m sure…but it’s basically in the middle of nowhere. the first time i went i was like “this is still in boston?!” there would be no landmarks around to really know where to dig

Great work, thanks! Hope you can get back when it thaws.  🙂
It’s impossible to “prove” that it’s Boston, or the 2C (the name Erexere gave to the rings where you’ve been digging, and it kind of stuck). It might not be. It’s just the favourite. I haven’t seen anything better, and someone would have to come up with something
really
good to convince the folks here it’s not Boston.
Now, you can dispute any of this, say it’s a stretch, whatever, but here’s a summary of the main points that lead me to think this is Boston.
1) “Eighteenth Day, Twelfth Hour, lit by lamplight” – strong hint for Boston
2) “If Thucydides is north of Xenophon”
I think the main clue from this is the Walpole quote:
“There will, perhaps, be a Thucydides at Boston, a Xenophon at New York”
Byron loved his obscure quotes. Another strong hint for Boston, and the library is a bonus.
No-one has come up with a better verse match than Boston for that, and it would be pretty tricky. Extensive research on all the images leaves 11 as the most likely candidate. Although nothing leaps out, we can say with near certainty that it’s not image 1, 2, 3, 4, etc – they fit far better with other cities. Image 11 goes with Boston partly by process of elimination, and partly because it does have some good things going for it – like the 42, and the zip code, which points directly to an area of Boston which includes the 2C.
Then other miscellaneous stuff starts to fall into place, like the way the flying fairy is a great match for a detail from a painting by the Boston artist Copley, or the way the 2C has stairs, a waterside location, a green tower of lights, and a plausible image match. Then there’s stuff like the general profile of the locations BP apparently chose – significant coastal cities with cultural connections to the countries each image is associated with, the Italian immigrant population in this case. (The whole book is about the immigration of the fairy races, arriving by sea.)
None of this means the gem is at the 2C, or at Boston. But it all adds up to a very plausible solution. Plausible is good enough for me. If you look for cast-iron proof, you won’t find it – not any more, maybe not ever. Only two were ever found, and BP had to personally intervene to pinpoint one of those.
While we banter away on this forum discussing variously useful and impossible theories though, it’s fantastic to have someone out there willing to actually turn up and dig a hole. That’s rare, so, well done.  :app)

Unknown

Unknown:
not sure what you mean… almost every city in connecticut and rhode island is between 41st and 42 parallels

The visual clue. The 4 from the Cambridge Common building that matches the font of the 4 in the image which is a stone’s throw away from the church I posted. Those are all visual clues from the same immediate area as part of the larger Cambridge Common theory.

Interesting ideas to ponder indeed…

if it is indeed Seattle…then the obvious is missing.  We had the old water tower of Chicago in P5 and the (?) tower in Cleveland in it’s P…..so….would putting the Space Needle in the P be a little too obvious?
Maybe we can find that darn “box-castle” in Seattle and be done with it.

If the rain that we’re getting here in Ohio reaches Boston then digging should be a piece of cake if you’re still up for it. The ground out here is mush and it’s 55 degrees. Hope you get this thaw that’s making its way out there. Just an FYI.

scottrocks7

If you look at the very first entries in the Verse 2 thread they talk about a place in Quebec City that may fit that verse. That needs to be investigated.
I thik that Verse 3 goes with this and I think the thing that ties it too that is the Greek connection. Two other Verses that might match are Verses 2 and 10. The reasons for 2 are stated above as for Verse 10 it would not be unlikely that a park in Quebec would have a sign about Indies Native. Both possibilities need to be investigated.

Just so you know, it really has all been investigated.  Two years ago a friend went to Newfoundland to hunt and had to helicopter in.  I was up his butt for info.  No one has come up with any evidence as yet.  Post what you find, it will be read.

Nice investigation Bingo! Just now getting back to all of this…lots to read over the last 2 weeks!

For those who are trying to associate Logan Airport, the letters “bos” have been identified in the sleeve on the right side of the image. BOS is the airport abbreviation for Logan Airport.

Black Falcon Terminal is on Black Falcon Ave.
The claw of the bird is “Paradise Bay”
On the wing of the Falcon appears to be the Transit system = T which it is standing on
I believe the image is mirrored. The Falcon should be on the opposite side.
The triangles near the bird appear to be Logan airport runways

DelRayBoston

Yes I was just kidding on the ted Williams number thing. It is tough to get humor or whatever through on text. That being said, is my theory really that crazy compared to everything else that is proposed, to be discredited? The elevated green line that passes a coliseum was erected in 1942…

Sorry if I missed the joke. I wasn’t trying to discredit your theory. All theories are viable until proven otherwise by having the actual casque in hand. So I’m sorry if my comment came across as trying to discredit you.

burningfire71

Black Falcon Terminal is on Black Falcon Ave.
The claw of the bird is “Paradise Bay”
On the wing of the Falcon appears to be the Transit system = T which it is standing on
I believe the image is mirrored. The Falcon should be on the opposite side.
The triangles near the bird appear to be Logan airport runways

Uggghhh..been racking my brain trying to remember what in my research brought me ro mirrors. Something here shas a meaning of mirrors and i will remember soon enough but I thought to myself hmmm could this be mirrored image and if so what would be the purpose behind it and how could that change any outcome of finding it

fox

Dont get me wrong 421.  By stating my doubts over the 18/12 location pointer…I was in NO WAY stating I did not like this site.  I Love this site and truly believe you have hit the nail on the head.  I cant wait until we get someone on the ground there and start doing some serious looking around AND digging.

The “crack” is definitively not a crack under the 18th stone as I had proposed. After perusing from the pics I received from the Victory Gardens, I am bummed to say the block pattern shown in the Images arch is also not observable as a pattern on the back side of the wall, that I have so far been able to find..

Glossiphoniidae

i’ll ask… but from my research, it is still there:
http://www.mhd.state.ma.us/ProjectInfo/Main.asp?ACTION=ViewProject&PROJECT_NO=600731
there was no change to tunnels or the stone rails, only the walking surface and the street. the lamp is not there anymore, however.
looks like it was to fix these problems:
http://uglybridges.com/1235160
lol!

421 i meant the ped bridge in the 10th pic at this link
http://www.emeraldnecklace.org/stories/#birdsfeather

cw0909

421 i meant the ped bridge in the 10th pic at this link
http://www.emeraldnecklace.org/stories/#birdsfeather

the 8th and 10th pictures are the same spot… the 8th leads into the 10th.

Unknown

Unknown:
the 8th and 10th pictures are the same spot… the 8th leads into the 10th.

421
thanks i missed that,to me that explains how BP would have went from the 2Cs/CG to MR and
past the coliseum,without going way out without  more markers,could your source get pics of
the playarea when she gets back,thanks again

I appreciate the input.  In all honesty I believe several of my ideas came directly from posts by you on tweleve’s forum.  Ill see if I cant put together a solve for this because I have quite a few photos from the site.  The one item still on my agenda is to find pre-1986 photos of the Longfellow duck house on agassiz rd in the middle of the fens.  The architect was the nephew of the Revere poem’s author and its roof burned down in 1986 but was fixed with what was described as a more simplified roofing design.  Ill let you know soon as it seems like you’re one of the few still certain this casque is in Boston

Hey guys, new to the forum but Ive been working on this for several years now.  Pretty convinced Ive found my dig site but have had trouble pinpointing the burial site.  I think one thing everyone here keeps missing is the true meaning of the first verse.  Sure Thucydides is south of Xenophon but what happens when you stand at Xenophon’s square and look down at Thucydides?  Thucydides is north of Xenophon and directly across the street the 55 bus is waiting to take you in the Queensbury direction.  Five steps are actually stops and the area of his direction is a puzzling way of restating that one is traveling in the area, i.e. in the bus.  Five stops takes you to the intersection of Charlesgate E and Ipswich st, and right in the middle of this bus route is a green tower of lights, the prudential building.  And I bet you thought I forgot about the infamous double C’s right?  Wrong.  Those can be seen across I-90 along with their globes which are for once in the correct alignment according to the image.  Adjacent to the bridge the victory gardens are visible under the overpass, the stairs are a set of step like stones in front of the grass patch.    “Those who pass the coliseum” are almost definitely the cars that pass fenway but can’t stop because its a highway.  The 18th day 12th hour allusion comes from the fact that at my dig site the two C’s form what I would consider an “under moonlight” type condition.  I see numerous other confirmers there but Id love to hear what you guys have to say before I post a full solve.  I just love the five stops on the 55 bus idea though considering its proximity to the slabs on the front of the BPL.
PS should add that I live in Boston and work right down the street from this whole area so even if you disagree with some of what Ive said Im still devoted enough to finding this  that Im willing to listen to anything and everything.

I think that being there in person makes the biggest difference and as long as you feel comfortable with that perspective to the point that theres an Ah-ha spot, you wont be guessing, unless alterations to the landscape have complicated or erased the final clues.
I’m not sure how to help you just yet, but please consider some of my latest ideas.  If you are strong on your usage for 5 steps then subtract that from my proposal and see that it might yield a better spot for you.
Best of luck!

Have a look at this monument…something look familiar? And sound familiar..freedom? Amd also going along with whoever wrote about Shaw on here…

strike13

Have a look at this monument…something look familiar? And sound familiar..freedom? Amd also going along with whoever wrote about Shaw on here…

Oops…did not post link
https://www.nps.gov/boaf/learn/historyculture/shaw.htm

Oops…did not post link
https://www.nps.gov/boaf/learn/historyculture/shaw.htm

I’m also not saying that i think it is here..just sharing the fairy similarities for starters ..happy friday!

The Folletti. Italian elves. They like causing mischief and rearranging objects.
This looked interesting.
http://www.mythfolklore.net/andrewlang/224.htm

So, I have been struggling to find an Italian theme or connection for this image for a while. I know everyone is going to jump on me and say that the woman in the image looks like the Christopher Columbus statue in Boston. It doesn’t. I’ve looked at the statue a 100 times in person and I have shown the image to numerous people at the park. Almost everyone doesn’t see a resemblance while standing at the actual statue.
Here is one oddball Italian link that I did find. The orbs, balls, spheres in the picture reminded me of the cheesy garden decorative balls that you find randomly in people’s gardens.
Those are called (from Wikipedia) garden globes, yards globes and gazing balls. Their origin, in my opinion, loosely connects an Italian theme. “Gazing balls originated in 13th century Venice, Italy, where they were hand-blown by skilled craftsmen”.
If people don’t follow what I am talking about, they look like this. I wonder if the victory gardens had these kicking around at some point back then.
https://flic.kr/p/24nmTvo
Any thoughts or other Italian connections that people feel are relevant?

Im guessing yall have already eliminated that sign by the veterans memorial thing thats says something about being home.

maltedfalcon

That’s exactly why I liked Mother’s Rest so much…

Me too

i found this at Boston University, it reminded me of the picture. (which might just be pointing to Boston Globe) but i hadn’t seen anyone mention this sphere.
http://www.waymarking.com/gallery/image … 00d20b765d
also at Boston University is the Truth Window.
can’t remember where i found this:
Benjamin Brawley wrote : Negro American Writers: Early American Negro w/ poem from Charles L. Reason: In Truth, Be Free—Church of Boston, Peoples Baptist church of Boston
but i was leaning more to the Kennedy Library at the end of the Freedom Trail for that line.  (in truth, be free)
good luck on your moving shecrab

shecrab

And there are a couple of things from the verse that need to be uncovered yet–the coliseum, metal walls, black falcon/hawk, etc. and the starting point—where would you originally stand so that you could ‘take five steps in the area of his direction?’ Presumably, this means take five steps North, since we’ve determined that Th is indeed north of X.  Earlier in this thread someone mentioned a temporary ‘coliseum’ being erected in this area–back in the 80’s–or is my memory faulty here?

shecrab

I also noticed that the two ‘spires’ in the fountain look something like the castle spires–not exactly, mind you, but somewhat. The fountain edge where the water spouts come from also look a bit like a crenellated wall if you look down on them from above. And the concrete blocks around the edge of it mimic the blocks in the window and wall behind the woman in the image. Nothing is exact, but I can’t see it very well, either–not even in Clews’ excellent panorama.

shecrab

I also looked again at the image in the light of the discovery of the backwards 1910, and by george, you’re absolutely right–it DOES say 1910–in fact, quite clearly once you look at it that way!

shecrab

So to recap: if the larger verse elements point to simply being in Boston (Paul Revere’s ride, Thucy/Xeno, North, Green tower of lights (old South Church,) and narrow it down through the image elements to Copley Square, then these ARE VERY LIKELY the stairs and this MUST be the water.
Logically, it’s the only answer that makes any sense–the courtyard at BPL was pretty good, but we know the casque will never be unearthed from there because it was all dug up and replaced. This hasn’t been, and it’s got more ‘hiding’ potential. Plus, it’s already in the “middle section” of the square.

I find it difficult to accept that Thucydides is north of Xenophon – it is literally the opposite on the facade of the BPL. Is
any
arrangement of these two names enough to pinpoint Copley Square as the spot?
There was indeed a colisseum in Copley Square… two of them in fact, built in 1869 and 1872.
This sounds like a stretch to me. The obelisks on the fountain look nothing like our lady’s castle.
The 1910 is a good discovery, but we can say with the same degree of confidence that it is any of these numbers:
0191
1410
0141
1610
0161
Maybe, but was that particular fountain there in 1981-2? The last I heard, bclews (8/4/06) indicated that the square was redesigned in 1983, removing a completely different-looking fountain and installing the current one. After the 1965 Copley Square Competition, there was a
different fountain in the Square
. All may hinge on when this fountain was replaced.

Here is a view of the fountain/stairs area.  Zooming in helps.
http://www.panoramamagazine.com/panoram … 0Fountain/

Clews, that panorama is great!! I can see several places a casque might be buried. Now–we need to pinpoint it.
And there are a couple of things from the verse that need to be uncovered yet–the coliseum, metal walls, black falcon/hawk, etc. and the starting point—where would you originally stand so that you could ‘take five steps in the area of his direction?’ Presumably, this means take five steps North, since we’ve determined that Th is indeed north of X.  Earlier in this thread someone mentioned a temporary ‘coliseum’ being erected in this area–back in the 80’s–or is my memory faulty here?
I also noticed that the two ‘spires’ in the fountain look something like the castle spires–not exactly, mind you, but somewhat. The fountain edge where the water spouts come from also look a bit like a crenellated wall if you look down on them from above. And the concrete blocks around the edge of it mimic the blocks in the window and wall behind the woman in the image. Nothing is exact, but I can’t see it very well, either–not even in Clews’ excellent panorama.
I also looked again at the image in the light of the discovery of the backwards 1910, and by george, you’re absolutely right–it DOES say 1910–in fact, quite clearly once you look at it that way!
The sphere in Slappy’s picture is indeed interesting, however, it’s a bit far off our location. I did like the idea of the spheres pointing to the “Boston Globe.” I hadn’t thought of that one either! Just another way of saying “Boston” IMHO.
So to recap: if the larger verse elements point to simply being in Boston (Paul Revere’s ride, Thucy/Xeno, North, Green tower of lights (old South Church,) and narrow it down through the image elements to Copley Square, then these ARE VERY LIKELY the stairs and this MUST be the water.
Logically, it’s the only answer that makes any sense–the courtyard at BPL was pretty good, but we know the casque will never be unearthed from there because it was all dug up and replaced. This hasn’t been, and it’s got more ‘hiding’ potential. Plus, it’s already in the “middle section” of the square.
However, since it’s winter right now, the ground probing will probably have to wait until a thaw.
Clews….are you in Boston or near it?  That panorama was really good. Did you take the pictures?
And Slappy…thank you! I’m sure i’ll have my hands full in the next month or so. I haven’t moved in 8 years and I’ve accumulated a lot mroe stuff since.
Nice work everyone!! Hope your new year is going well!

this picture of the stone work in front of  phillip brooks really looks like the collar design to me.
http://galen-frysinger.com/graphics/boston1.jpg
that was great recognizing the roman numerals bclews.  can you tell what the numbers or letters on her left sleeve are? looks like “House” to me
or 1105.

Unknown

Unknown:
If I may add some more fuel to the fire —
If you put your back to the stairs in the photo you would be looking at the fountain just off the right edge of the photo.  I don’t know if that fountain was there in the 80’s, though.
Also, if you look at image 11 and read the numbers on the window in reverse sequence (I don’t know why) you could get “1910”.  In your photo, just at the right edge of the image is a statue of Phillips Brooks.  The plaque on the statue states that it was erected in “MCMX”.  Yep, 1910.

Unknown

Unknown:
But, it is a VERY public, and open, area.  It would be impossible to dig there unnoticed.

Excellent!! Yes, the fountain was there in 1982–the entire area has not changed very much, from what I could garner from reading about it. I saw a painting of the courtyard and gardens done in the 70’s and the fountain was depicted. IF the fountain is the ‘water’ we’re supposed to face, that is. THe water may refer to some other water, or the Charles River or the Ocean, both within spittin’ distance!  For that matter, maybe he meant holy water–this is a church, after all. Is there a baptismal font close by?
No, not necessarily—during the day perhaps. But at night? Disguised as a maintenance worker? Or as an “official?” Perhaps not. The Chicago casque was also buried in a very public place–albeit in a corner somewhat out of sight–and the Cleveland one ditto. I think he could have done it. According to old posts and communications with him, he did use all those techniques to get the casques buried. And in 1981-2, it would have been less patrolled, more accessible (my guess).
So who wants to go to Boston? Where is Melissa? (Insatiable) and her boyfriend? I’d go myself, but I’m moving this month—I’ll have no time.

If you look at other pics of the Phillips Brooks statue, you’ll also find that the podium holding the Bible is in the shape of a black eagle. It only superficially resembles the bird in the image, but it IS a large bird of prey.

that “reverse the curse” picture was just for fun…not part of commonwealth avenue mall
the address is “18 Commonwealth”
in this picture: the gate could be the two pedestals in our picture:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= … l%26sa%3DN

shecrab

The picture does
not
have an emerald–it’s a peridot. they’re also green, but lighter and yellower usually.
The emerald was the prize for the solve for Chicago.

There goes that theory! Thanks for pointing that out. I’m not very good with my gemstones.

i mean the gate posts for commonwealth, not the other gate

i think this is the lief ericson statue:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/169/3725 … 70a964.jpg

here’s a better one:
http://flickr.com/photos/historyofboston/2071821288/
aarrrgh! then i find this picture that looks like the bottom of our image:
is it anywhere close to commonwealth mall?
http://flickr.com/photos/historyofbosto … otostream/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonweal … ue,_Boston
commonwealth mall connects public garden with the fens—–middle section
samuel eliot morison—presidential medal of freedom, American Academy of Arts and Letters

domingo faustino sarmiento:
http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/No … -BR-1.html

boogie, that’s the hardest I’ve laughed all day – thanks.
This idea reminds me of a trick Michael Stadther used in ATT (see pp. 77 and 78), hiding cursive writing in loopy swirls. I still remember the adrenaline rush of realizing what he’d done on those pages (this was before I discovered tweleve.org and 12gems.com, and realized that hundreds if not thousands of people before me had already seen it – what a wake-up call). Try as I might, I can’t extract the same kind of thing from P11. Sorry shecrab, but boogie’s picture makes my point better than I could.

could this be our fairy?
http://www.yeodoug.com/resources/dc_fre … _pg_01.jpg
george robert white memorial boston public garden

boogieman

Just having fun shecrab…I just can’t stop.

Your joke was lost on me, boogie…I can’t read it.
Seriously–the pic is too small.
But if you’re trying to tell me you could find almost anything in the swirls, then you missed MY point, which was that the swirls aren’t going to be matched exactly, and, er–that you can find anything in them.  Read back through the thread—there was a time when someone thought they said “SLC” for “Salt Lake City.” Remember?

http://www.yeodoug.com/resources/dc_fre … te_pg.html

Unknown

Unknown:
landscaped greens linking the Back Bay’s “alphabet streets”: Arlington, Berkeley, Clarendon, Dartmouth, Exeter, Fairfield, Gloucester, and Hereford.

Slappy, you’re bouncing all over the city now. Public Gardens, commonwealth Ave.,–the casque just isn’t that big.
Unfortunately, “ALL” the letters are not here. Only up to H.

Just having fun shecrab…I just can’t stop.

i know it’s a large area ck, but i think it is this area and not copley square that the cask is in.
and aren’t they all connected? boston public garden and commonwealth avenue mall? i’ve always liked the public garden because of the cultural stuff.
in this picture i think you’re going from the Mall to the public garden, and it’s just a small street to cross (that’s what it looks like to me)
i know someone has to be there to really know. can’t you take a trip out there ck?
http://picasaweb.google.com/liana.elyse … 1902589362
and if that george robert white memorial is the fairy ….

i forgot…could that arthur fiedler statue in the boston public garden,made out of aluminum be our “metal” ?
http://www.storyofboston.com/articles/a … er_statue/

Geez slapps….I WISH i could!! Unfortunately, this isn’t the best time for me to travel.
ANyway, I know the feeling–you think you can see so much in everything around, but we need to narrow our focus not broaden it–unless you find an exact marker for something in the image in a place.
Anyhow, we do appreciate your efforts. At least I do. You cant’ get fresh ideas without fresh minds working on these.
Here’s something I’ve done: I took those swirls on the woman’s dress and dropped out the background. Once that was done something showed up that was sort of unaddressed before: the colors of those little “buds” or leaves.  It’s far more noticeable without the distraction of the background. I saw that two of them were quite different–one is very much lighter and one is more “golden” than the others. It occurred to me that these swirls might be a map of sorts. There isn’t any other map that we’ve been able to find in this image.
Examine this folks–does anyone think it might be pointing our way for us?  Also–after our amusing efforts to make these come out in letters, I’m only about halfway convinced that there AREN’T letters in it. The large swirl in the foreground looks like a big backwards S–as anyone can see. So what if it IS a backwards S? It’s no more weird than thinking the bird’s perch is a large T (for the subway.) Maybe this S stands for SOUTH–and since it’s backwards–maybe that means Reverse the Direction–to NORTH. Or maybe it means reverse the swirls themselves!
Food for thought, anyway…

i do think those spots are a map.. i tried the freedom trail to them, but i have no skills in that direction, lol
they are different sizes and shapes also
now i think they are for different statues in the public gardens
…..
i’d noticed the perch has a gold knob too on the right side

i also tried them with the bus stops but that was when i was thinking of another area so i’ll have to look them up again.

Thought I’d throw this out there….I found the emerald necklace idea intriguing enough given that the picture has an emerald and there could be 9 squares on the woman’s collar (with the 3rd from the left being smaller than the others). I googled “emerald necklace” and castle, since the castle is near the collar in the image. Castle Square came up. Perhaps we’ve been over thinking the castle by trying to find a building that matches it. Image 11 has a castle inside a square, Castle Square.

Another interesting tid bit to throw in the pot….If you look at Castle Square on the map, you’ll see Peters Park close by. Peters Park has  a baseball diamond and Fay St. runs next to it.

Unknown

Unknown:
Thought I’d throw this out there….I found the emerald necklace idea intriguing enough given that the picture has an emerald

The picture does
not
have an emerald–it’s a peridot. they’re also green, but lighter and yellower usually.
The emerald was the prize for the solve for Chicago.

okay guys, my hands are shaking, i think this is it!
Commonwealth Avenue Mall:
narrowest link of the Emerald Necklace
The Commonwealth Avenue Mall, designed in 1865 to resemble the boulevards of Paris, is a showcase for public art. A variety of statues related to Boston history guard the landscaped greens linking the Back Bay’s “alphabet streets”: Arlington, Berkeley, Clarendon, Dartmouth, Exeter, Fairfield, Gloucester, and Hereford.
all the letters!!
trying to find all the statues there i found:
domingo faustino sarmiento—was a disciple of Horace Mann,
i can’t seem to find a good picture of the statue so far, all kind of dark  and don’t show the bottom part
but looking at the picture of alexander hamilton, the shape is like the whole picture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Comm … r_2006.jpg

lol, while i was looking look what i did find!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/150 … otostream/
lol

WhiteRabbit

This is the Richardson Bridge, named for Henry Hobson Richardson, who was also responsible for Trinity Church in Copley Square, next to the library.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Hobson_Richardson

That is an interesting little sidenote.  Isnt Trinity Church one of the buildings we have been looking at for A LONG TIME now that may be our box castle?
I am still a little up in the air about the whole counting 18s and 12s.  Dont get me wrong, I LOVE this site and become more an more convinced…I just think the lines w/ 18 and 12 is another confirmer for Boston.  It isnt like some of the other lines in different V’s stating 15 rows down to the ground….or….in the middle of 21, etc.  The “lit by lamplight” intrigues me.
I am wondering if upon closer inspection of the wall, bridge, stairs (while at the site) will give us some other visual confirmer. Let’s get this one.

I find it funny how apartment properties all the way in Eugene, Oregon name themselves after these east coat places.  My company services the Richardson Bridge and Somerset Villa apartments…lol.

erexere

I find it funny how apartment properties all the way in Eugene, Oregon name themselves after these east coat places.  My company services the Richardson Bridge and Somerset Villa apartments…lol.

Hang on… Are you sure that all these clues for Boston aren’t
actually
pointing us to somewhere on the
west
coast?

bigmattyh

Hang on… Are you sure that all these clues for Boston aren’t
actually
pointing us to somewhere on the
west
coast?

I seem that desperate?

I follow your reasoning, 421 and agree with it almost entirely.  Someone could even vibe lucky and just dig up a casque with no verse or image!  Wouldn’t that suck for us.  I’m thinking of the TV show Survivormwhen Russell Hanz would go out and find an immunity idol without any clues…
Heck, some people claim to have psychic powers and find missing objects…not that I endorse this method.  But if I’m right about all the casque locations someday, you can surely call me a Casque Whisperer…lol.
I expect you to have success with your proposed site, so dig with confidence, but please consider my spot too, if you come up empty after shoveling 3x3x3 feet of dirt in Mother’s Rest.  Pretty please.

Hey, notice the use of circles that are like low horizon moons.  One in the upper right corner of the box castle.  One in the upper left corner of the dress front “S”.  Notice that the box “full of light” but partially released with the lid partially opened?  That is comparable to an almost full moon’s light.

I really like the selections of the wall lamp and bird stump T shape.  I don’t yet see a sharp reasoning for a precision dig.  If you have an X-Y defined area, I’d first assume you are looking for a point on the diagonal.

My assertion is that 18 stones over (the blocks run completely through the wall and are the same on both sides), is 12 stones down to the ground below.

Thats so Cleveland like when you think about it.
I never mentioned that bit about the nice castle building for my theory,mthanks for noticing.  Our ideas almost come together but are worlds away too.

erexere

Thats so Cleveland like when you think about it.
I never mentioned that bit about the nice castle building for my theory,mthanks for noticing.  Our ideas almost come together but are worlds away too.

I wasn’t talking about the building… I was talking about a shape on a sign; actually the whole sign. It would be equally as visible at Charlesgate.

Should I cit or should I go now?
That Citgo sign was there back in the day…I really didn’t expect that.  Nice find, it seems viewable from lots of places, as iconic as all ever apparently.  I wonder if it is suppose to set us on Commonwealth.
I just came to a very good find of my own.  That castle design on the box is really a good representation of the corner of 461 Commonwealth as seen from the 2 C locatiion, only the Bowker sure gets in the way.
This is a very poor pic, but it’s a very good comparison if you look at other angles of the building.  This is taken from the point of view just above the 2C location on the off ramp, so account for it being at a higher angle.

In an attempt to critique my own theory, i did a little “digging” on victory gardens boston. They are considered very private, which makes me doubt further that the site is on the gardens side of the river; conversely, i am more sure of the mothers rest site.
And this ones just for you, erexere:
and the leif placard has this on the podium:

You have to find a server to host the images–in my case I have a small website so I’m just using a little space from that. Most ISPs offer a small amount of web or FTP storage space–even AOL gives you 3MB, which is plenty for stuff like this. Check with your ISP and see what they may already offer.
I will try to get some scans up tomorrow–I am back from my trip.

that lock of hair with the jewel looks like fort point channel to me, the jewel (in the image) seems to be somewhere in the south bay area where all the streets are alphabet letters (the area ck mentioned))

thomas park, telegraph hill and dorchester heights are close to 8th street
look at this picture of dorchester heights, if you look close you can see  numbers  ( 1 1)    like around the oval
http://flickr.com/photos/historyofbosto … 245423838/

that just seems to far south of the hair tho.
but there is an Athens Street, and a silver and gould street for metal, broadway street-lights? and a greenbaum street. …….

With metal walls
There’s a lot of metallic square shapes in the pic which haven’t been discussed much.
Considering the Chicago location, I’m wondering if they might represent the fence…
I’m interested in whether the above shows an open gate. I wonder if the box…
…could be a gate opening, or whether this…
…has a hinged top.
*************************************
Although we’ve all bent over backwards trying to make the verse fit the description of a trail from the BPL to Charlesgate, I think some of the lines like “Face the water, your back to the stairs” are quite likely to be a description of how to pinpoint the location at this site. I’m also starting to wonder if the opening couplet and the five steps somehow relate to the location as well. “Feel at home” is still pretty baffling.
Although the “nook” has a certain appeal, it seems a bit arbitrary to me. I don’t see how the verse or image lead you unambiguously to that spot.
*************************************
It’s been pointed out that the arrangement of the three globes reflects the arrangement of the three lights…
…and there are other elements which display the same pattern.
…so I was also wondering whether the loops on the box design might be another echo of that, with the box castle as the pump house. (That’s a bit whimsical; just kicking ideas around as usual.)

just forl laughs, this comparison is interesting – published by A.A. Knopf

erexere

Whoa, that is 1978?  Preiss could’ve buried the casque anywhere in that plot which is now covered with 7 foot shrubbery!

No, that is ’04, but I’ve found it in ’71 too (’71 shown below).

You are using the image to find the location of the casque
remember the other found images, do not show the location of the casque
Instead it seems you have definitely found a site confirmer viewable from the spot of the burial.
So now you should be concentrating on the verse to zero in on the eact spot that puts you in that view and hides the casque.

maltedfalcon

You are using the image to find the location of the casque
remember the other found images, do not show the location of the casque
Instead it seems you have definitely found a site confirmer viewable from the spot of the burial.
So now you should be concentrating on the verse to zero in on the eact spot that puts you in that view and hides the casque.

Very nice point. I agree completely. That pattern is a commonality among the two solves. So let me propose (and make E’s heart flutter)…
… with the post in the image blocking off the area you need to search… your back to the stairs facing the water. I realize this is the same thing we just agreed was wrong, but wasn’t it mentioned that the cleveland solve indicated the raised hoof was aligned with the casque’s position behind the wall, confirming a spot the verse alone could bring you to?
Erexere… feel like diggin’ with a friend?

I don’t know.  I don’t plan on visitong Boston.  Something abojtn this casqje puzzles me.  18th day and 12th hour might be a riddle.

Having said that, the nook is growing on me. I think I’m going to have to hedge my bets and say, well yeah, it could be the nook.
Thinking about the “In Truth be free”, and the T on the left…possibly echoed in the “nook” T on the right…?
I don’t really like that though. I’m struggling to make some of these lines fit. Like, “feel at home”, I’m thinking about globe=planet, or (Boston) globe=tome…

erexere

I don’t know.  I don’t plan on visitong Boston.  Something abojtn this casqje puzzles me.  18th day and 12th hour might be a riddle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_Turnpike

Things are coalescing a bit. This is exciting. It does look like the only place where can have one’s back to the stair and face the water is that little nook between the circles.

WhiteRabbit

Having said that, the nook is growing on me. I think I’m going to have to hedge my bets and say, well yeah, it could be the nook.
Thinking about the “In Truth be free”, and the T on the left…possibly echoed in the “nook” T on the right…?
I don’t really like that though. I’m struggling to make some of these lines fit. Like, “feel at home”, I’m thinking about globe=planet, or (Boston) globe=tome…

Those image selections ARE two specific posts of the short black fence.  I just got lucky and found the right angle.  I’m not at a computer to show you a screenshot yet, but you’ll find it if you focus on the spot where the globe light is the one behind the fence and next to the box.  pay attention to the corner of green back at the sidewalk to the left, it matches the lower left corner square below the falcon.  Then notice the position of the Citgo sign in the upper right matches the spot where the triangle appears to the middle right of the woman’s dress.  Use Bing maps.
I think that’s just one of two or three lines that intersect at the casque point.  Be careful, theres a no tresspass sign there.

Unknown

Unknown:
…
The Somerset, British man-of-war;
A phantom ship, with each mast and spar
Across the moon like a prison bar,
And a huge black hulk, that was magnified
By its own reflection in the tide.
…

Something like this?
or something like this?
or this, Preiss perched on that box to line up the globe with the 2C’s, perhaps intersecting with a spot in the nook as we’re calling it?
another idea I feel must tie in comes from the “Landlord’s Tale”, otherwise known as the Paul Revere’s Ride poem,
Prison bar?

The 2 Cs site is beginning to excite me as well….but wow, so close to a very busy road? hmmm.  Think you need to walk around that site, see what jumps out at you, and dig my friend, dig.

Feel at home
Field at home
Homefield?
Electric field?
Maybe that is why the woman’s hair is lifting like she is touching a Tesla coil or Van de Graaff generator.

so close, yet so far.
try Poetry or Patriatism… i could go for them.

thrash

Wait a minute… the two casques that were found did not require the picture (except for confirming a start city), and you are attracted to the “2 C” solution because it doesn’t follow that same method?

I wouldn’t say I like the 2C idea
because
it does not follow the same method — it would be nice if everything followed a similar formula, but I don’t believe that is the case. I would say that, because it might not follow the same formula as the other two (that is, because it might require the picture in more than a “confirmer” way), it’s a better fit with what is stated in the book — we need a P and a V to solve it.

forest_blight

I wouldn’t say I like the 2C idea
because
it does not follow the same method — it would be nice if everything followed a similar formula, but I don’t believe that is the case. I would say that, because it might not follow the same formula as the other two (that is, because it might require the picture in more than a “confirmer” way), it’s a better fit with what is stated in the book — we need a P and a V to solve it.

I would absolutely agree that you NEED the P, just as stated. Without it, a person would have to try
every
verse in
every
city nationwide… maybe in Canada too! With the P, we only need to search
one
city using all the verses, and one or two usually stand out.
Again though, I think there are parts of the image that represent, and are
meant to
represent places/objects/locations you’ll see in that P’s city. In a sense, it confirms itself (the pics confirm the coords are not red herrings).
Rather than the
pictures
being more difficult to decipher (we think we know all the cities), maybe it’s the
verses
(we don’t have a clue how to interpret the lines in some of the remaining verses). The obscure quotes and references are killin’ us! Verse 3 only has one possibly “navigational” quote (eighteenth day/twelfth hour — “go to the bridge”), and it’s not that obscure… it looks like the rest of the verses contain quotes that are progressively more dynamic.

interestingly…
“eighteenth day
twelfth hour”
– written by henry (paraphrase), bridge by henry
“in truth, be free”
– written in john (paraphrase), bust of john
“lit by lamplight” somewhere between henry and john.
… still churnin’ for clues…

Big, I liked your analysis.
I had an idea that Revere might be the ‘his’ in the way that he was sneaking a rowboat in the direction of a river crossing while passing the watch of the Somerset.  In this case, standing with back to stairs and facing the river means to walk 5 steps in the rivers direction.