erexere

In light of what we’ve found at this point regardless of how we got there has me less bound to the idea that we have to start at BPL.  T being north of an X seems more useful and BP flavored than a required start path where we see the full names written on the library facade.  There’s lots of other names to choose from and BP already used a strong Greek cultural theme in image 4, so why again go Greek?

Why go greek again?  Because T is Boston.
“The next Augustan age will dawn on the other side of the Atlantic. There will, perhaps, be a Thucydides at Boston, a Xenophon at New York, and, in time, a Virgil at Mexico, and a Newton at Peru. At last, some curious traveller from Lima will visit England and give a description of the ruins of St Paul’s, like the editions of Balbec and Palmyra. “

Fox — doesn’t it follow from this theory that “his direction” is “north,” and that BPL has nothing to do with this hunt? If so, how are we to respond to the “area of his direction” (i.e., “area of north”) clue?

erexere

Big, I liked your analysis.
I had an idea that Revere might be the ‘his’ in the way that he was sneaking a rowboat in the direction of a river crossing while passing the watch of the Somerset.  In this case, standing with back to stairs and facing the river means to walk 5 steps in the rivers direction.

That brings up another good point — the verses aren’t necessarily in order.  Taking 5 steps could mean something you do once you’ve found the casque site.

bigmattyh

…And even then — who is “he”?  I think grammatically, if you take the sentence as a whole, it has to be Thucydides.  Then “his direction” would probably just be “north”.

it depends on what the meaning of “is” is.

Considering the port hole behind the woman in the image and that it contains a star, I had a notion that the 2C’s emulates a boat with directions port and starboard; port being left at the direction you enter from stairs which then makes the south area by the little house the fore of the “ship”.  Not sure how to work this in…look for the helm, oar, or rudder?

im not sure how this helps,but thought it was interesting,a little
over midway,in link you can see a pic of a foot bridge/ ped viaduct
under the mass turnpike and the RR tracks,dude says he is in a boat
heading,north up the muddy to the charles river
http://www.emeraldnecklace.org/stories/#birdsfeather
where i think the ped viaduct is
http://g.co/maps/zr7sa
view of where i think the ped viaduct is from Ipswich St
and if you look behind you you see the muddy,and to your left
down Ipswich St is the stadium
http://g.co/maps/3j7aq
topo
http://tinyurl.com/7yh6tg8

erin (surrounded by wings and clovers) on one side, o’reilly’s bust on the other? The hand opening the box?

erexere

Considering the port hole behind the woman in the image and that it contains a star, I had a notion that the 2C’s emulates a boat with directions port and starboard; port being left at the direction you enter from stairs which then makes the south area by the little house the fore of the “ship”.  Not sure how to work this in…look for the helm, oar, or rudder?

I’ve always seen the “porthole” as a keyhole, with the dark gray vertical bars extending below her elbows forming part of the frame of the window, and the light blue light shining through, visible behind her waist.  Looks a lot like this shape, actually:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=boston+vi … 20&vpsrc=6
Even though I’m not particularly fond of the “aerial” clues (since I don’t think that’s how BP intended this to be solved), I think it deserves a look.

I can see that visual, but I’d expect more of a presentation of a lock or closed box to elicit that approach.  Here we have a box presented in an already open state.

charlesgate E must have went under the mass and the RR at one time
i think then you could have walked through to MR
here it is today and the 2Cs are behind you
http://g.co/maps/dck4q
the otherside looking toward the 2Cs
http://g.co/maps/ugzx2

forest_blight

Fox — doesn’t it follow from this theory that “his direction” is “north,” and that BPL has nothing to do with this hunt? If so, how are we to respond to the “area of his direction” (i.e., “area of north”) clue?

This is the part of the verse that really stumps me.  I think it’s important, but in my opinion, there are still some unanswered questions here.
If BP meant this as a general city signifier, then I think we’d all agree that it’s a reference to the Horace Walpole quote.  It puts Thucydides in Boston and Xenophon in New York.  But, thing is, Boston isn’t exactly *north* of New York — it’s almost directly northeast.  Why didn’t BP say “northeast”?
On the other hand, if BP is referring to the names on the BPL facade, well, that’s another problem.  The name Thucydides is actually *south* of Xenophon on the facade.  So T is not north of X here, and I don’t think BP would be so sloppy as to get his directions exactly backwards.
Why start it with “If”?  Are we supposed to look at this from a particular perspective that flips things around somehow?
And even then — who is “he”?  I think grammatically, if you take the sentence as a whole, it has to be Thucydides.  Then “his direction” would probably just be “north”.  But that seems a little weird.  Why go to the trouble of saying “If Thucydides is north of Xenophon” and then say “in the area of his direction” when you just mean exactly what you said a second ago?  I think “his direction” probably means some other direction that’s only clear when you figure out where you’re supposed to be from the T/X line.
BPL is such an attractive site because it’s right across the street from the Old South Church, which has a lot of the image’s design elements on its facade.  My intuition says that “take five steps” means something a little more literal than just taking five street intersections.
I know this is a digression, but I just think we’re missing something here.

Charlesgate Park was once considered the Gem of Olmstead’s Emerald Necklace.

erexere

I can see that visual, but I’d expect more of a presentation of a lock or closed box to elicit that approach.  Here we have a box presented in an already open state.

I don’t mean that it’s a literal keyhole. Just the shape of one. A circle with a long thin rectangle attached.

.

Google and I are not seeing eye-to-eye on this project:

bigmattyh

On the BPL facade, Thucydides is, indeed, south of Xenophon

It’s above it, so perhaps north of it in that sense.

if T is north of X
could this be a 5 point intersection with the T at one of the center points of the X
and T would be a street that dead ends into a street,that runs E & W
here is a place for a 1978 street map
HP
http://www.mapjunction.com/bra/
where to find the 1978 map on the New Flash Viewer link
on the tabs,on the top bar,choose file,from that drop down
choose view all maps in viewing area,in the 7th row of the
next screen,is the 1978 map
New Flash Viewer link from HP
http://www.mapjunction.com/places/Open_ … 1164143376

Re: If T is north of X…
I wonder if we’re overcomplicating this part.
On the BPL facade, Thucydides is, indeed, south of Xenophon.  But if you were to say that that T is
north
of X — turning the compass around backwards — then the first building to the
south
is actually the Old
South
Church.
Maybe it’s no more complicated than that.  If T is north of X, then, facing “north”, the Old South Church is behind you, to the south.

MrSeabass

They look nothing alike. At all.

Well, mission accomplished.

I was passing through Union Station in Washington, DC earlier today, and I spent some time admiring the building’s architecture. Out in front of the station is a monument to Christopher Columbus– the statue’s hair and hand positions reminded me of Image 11, as did the globe on top, next to the birds in profile. The quotes engraved on the side of the building were awesome to see up close, and reminded me of the last line in Verse 3.
Definitely NOT making any claims that the “Boston” casque is in DC… just hoping to spark some creative thinking on this one. Have a great weekend!

JamesV

Well, mission accomplished.

I just noticed that my image of the 3 C lamps is incorrect. So I will redraw it when I get the time.

MrSeabass

They look nothing alike. At all.

Interesting… passed through the Union Station area again today, but I hadn’t realized that the Smithsonian’s Postal Museum (established 1993, formerly the Washington DC Post Office) was right across the street. Could a Post Office, or similar, be the basis for that line about “All the letters / Are here to see”?
I’ll cross-post a few more thoughts in the Verse 3 thread, about Boston this time, but just wanted to give Mr. Seabass credit for challenging me to take a second look at things.

image 11 window frame stones
In connection to the image 1 moons order, I have been trying to produce an animated gif showing the position of number 1 and 9 moon/star/halo.
I have now decided that the arched window has to be moved to position the size 1 first where there is a chip in the edge of the stone, and then again to position the 9.
In case anyone thinks this is too advanced, it could all be done easily with a sheet of tracing paper.
(14438)

My wife will be along for an extra set of eyes.  The upside is she’s MUCH better at spotting things than I am.  The downside is she will probably do some shopping, and that’s going to cost me.
The Globe does look like a nice place for a bite to drink — thanks for the suggestion.
Here’s another interesting ‘globe’ connection (wrong Copley, I know, but still interesting) —
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/greavesandth … opley.html

Interesting links to John Singleton Copley.  Among others, he painted Paul Revere, Nathaniel Sparhawk, John Hancock, Mrs. Thomas Boylston, and Nicolas Boylston.
http://cgfa.sunsite.dk/copley/

niteowl9

The note about 1966 made me think of the diagram on the womans collar/scarf which is 2 triangles
making a square.  Maybe this is intended to be a diagram of Copley Square?

Trohn suggested as much a few days ago on the V3 thread, and I’m starting to agree with him. Here is how the square looked in 1960, much more of a square with a diagonal:
…and in 1910:
I’m sure better images can be found, hopefully dating between 1966 and 1983.

Fox- et al…
500 Boylston Street.
“near those who pass the coliseum”
probably not, but think of the final confirmations

I was playing around on Google Earth trying to get a feel for the Copley Square area of Boston.  I took a screen-shot and then noted the locations of the fountain and Trinity Church.  I also took a stab at tying the “AA” thingy to the map.

What the heck… I spent some time flipping thru pages on
www.flickr.com
and kept seeing signs for the “T”.  I like the match with the perch the hawk/falcon is on, but it could be a stretch:
Trying to find a match for the bird itself, I did a search for “Boston bird statue” and found this (LOL
):

Jambone,
The “bird” pun may not be far off.  The story was written at the height of Bird’s career.  I always felt that BP probably hid a sports emblem somewhere in the image.  I noticed the shamrock on the fairy’s wing; a Celtic’s logo?  (I know, I know, the Celtics logo only has three leaves.)  You may have found another sports reference.
If plans don’t change it looks like I may go into Boston tomorrow to check things out.  I’m going to try to take a series of 360º photos to help give everyone a feel for the area(s).  I’m going to hit the Copley Square area.  While I can’t be sure that I can hit everywhere that anyone suggests, I’m open to suggestions…
Bud

fox

Whoa.  That is not where I thought the tree would be according to Trohn’s map.  Whole new perspective…
Jam, nice connection with the
T
.  Bud, looks like the entire area is up for grabs, meaning, can be anywhere.  It would be better to have another set of eyes with you.  Recon can make you dizzy.

GLOBE!  How long has that Bar/Cafe’ been there?
edit: I called them.  It has only been the Globe for 2 years.  Good spot to take a break though, bclews.

500 Boylston Street?
what am i missing?

Boogie – I actually looked that up a couple of days ago and forgot to mention it. I could have saved you the trouble (and cost) of a phone call – sorry ’bout that.
bclews – If you can, it would be a good idea to take pictures of the facades of buildings around Copley Square, particularly the north side. JJP used details like that in the Chicago picture.

Boogie-
The tree is presumably in “the middle section”.
The part of the square that used to be the road.
As part of a recon- I would love to see a replica of
Pandora’s apron desgin.  As well as “all of the letters”.

Here’s a (very) little history of Copley Square:
http://friendsofcopleysquare.com/history.html
The note about 1966 made me think of the diagram on the womans collar/scarf which is 2 triangles
making a square.  Maybe this is intended to be a diagram of Copley Square?
The page also implies that there has been extensive renovation of the Square, started in 1983.

Unknown

Unknown:
Lane
Two twenty two
You’ll see an arc of lights

I just wanted to link to the thread for Verse 5 for reference
http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/i … opic=899.0
The poem doesn’t hyphenate “222” or even spell it out the way you’d expect, this is true,
but also it separates “Lane” from the numbers.
(Further discussion and analysis of that text should be moved to the thread for Verse 5 as linked above)
As for indicators which link a verse to an image, this is something I’ll have to go back to think about.  I don’t remember if we ever discussed it here.  If this is a working theory for all of the pairs, perhaps we need a new thread to gather the evidence.  Anything which settles the matter as to how the verses pair with the images would certainly be welcome.  For now, I’ll have to refresh my memory on the Cleveland find and the Chicago clues as well.
For this image specifically (to stay on topic), it’s been so long that I can’t recall exactly where these bit are that you point to.  (Honestly, my notes say there’s 111 and 112 in there, but i’ve forgotten where they are hidden, my bad.)  I don’t remember a Utah shape specifically, just that the longitude/latitude would put the treasure in Salt Lake City (again, going from my notes).  But my gut tells me that if we see something that does look like ” 1 1 2 ” and also ” 1 1 1 ” in the same image, the logical conclusion is that those clues simply mean the whole numbers 111 and 112, rather than deconstructing their digits.
(coming back after looking at the image some more…)
Now i see the 112 and the circle, to the right of the fairy holding the green gem, in the flower petals.  What you see as a second ‘2’ below it, I see as being more filled in, to make the clue blend in with the flowers.  I’ll still say that the circle is not meant to be part of the numbers, because it isn’t rendered in the same airbrush technique.  If it were smaller, I might even say that it is a degree symbol, for longitude, but such a clue was not present (or necessary) with the numbers in any other image, so I don’t push that idea myself.  I have no other explanations for that circle being there, so I cannot say your idea is wrong, just that it isn’t how I would interpret it.

I appologize in advance if this has already been discussed (I am not very good with the search feature)… and I know most of us are already stuck on our own I/V connections (I am better with puns)… even me…
but V5’s “Lane two twenty two” has no hyphens. This must be deliberate, otherwise it would be obviously incorrect (we learned “twenty-two” was proper in the 4th grade). I11 has that 112 with a unique circle next to it, with a 2 right just below. The second 2 is not just a stroke, it is clearly purposeful, and clearly separate from the other numbers. And the unique circular mark is repeated, quite exactly, next to what some refer to as Utah. Does this circle identify where the state is, as well as make it clear that this number is actually two(1 and 1) twenty(2o) two(2).
the cleveland and chicago finds both used this type of indicator: picture in image that was mentioned in verse. even though these are numbers, they are still in the image and the verse. until proven incorrect, and with BP’s admission that this hunt would be short, i’d like to believe each image/verse has a connection like this.
i really don’t know exactly how this helps… i’m just throwing a couple pennies on the board. again, sorry if this is stupid or a stretch.

In the Cleveland hunt, it was the two columns in the foreground of the image and the penultimate line in the verse “seek the columns” that tied the two together.
In the Chicago hunt, it was the fence that is seen on the wall of the castle and the 9th line of the verse “fence and fixture” that tied the two together.  I can’t remember whether or not a picture of the fence was posted on this site but I have been there (I went a few years ago to look around the site) at it is exactly like it looks in the image.
In the Milwaukee hunt, (I believe) that it is the tree that is seen as the top part of her cloak and 2nd and 3rd to last lines in the verse “On a proud, tall fifth At its southern foot” that tie the two together.  Although the tree is probably long gone by now.

Hey, Digger!
Long time no see!
I go agree with you about the “cape tree” that is in the image
as being the “proud tall 5th”.
I should take a drive to the lakefront soon and see what is
left of the old landmarks after the reconstruction of the bridges,
the culling of trees in the ravines and the recent flooding.
AP

I’m here every day, just don’t usually have anything to say.  I didn’t know there had been flooding up by you.

bolddigger

If this is the response a new user gets to the simple question,” Has anyone gotten a permit to dig for treasure recently and, if so, how did you get it?” then why should anyone bother to share what they’ve found?

BINGO

The process isn’t as bad as people like complain about. What matters the most is to determine which agency pulls the strings for the area you are looking to dig. Calling DCR for an area that is governed by DPW is a waste of time. And vice versa.
Call the proper department religiously until you get a human on the phone. Mondays and Fridays or any day after a playoff game (we have a lot of those here in title town…) is probably a wasted effort.
Don’t be all secretive and overconfident. You won’t be the first or last person to call with absolute knowledge of the casque’s location. Give them actual evidence like an image match or a new exciting clue and give them the details at the location. Your implied brilliance will not impress them, nor will it help your cause. If they want an altered rendition of the wiki solution, they have access to google as well.
The best advice that I can give you is to be patient, polite, open, honest and if you have the ability to solve a 37 year old puzzle, you should be able to figure which department governs the area you are trying to search.
Best of Luck.

If you are not TH, then I apologize, again. I made that assumption because you are asking the same questions about the process in Boston and ignoring answers given to you in the same way. If you don’t like my answer, that’s fine, enjoy the permit process.
Here is a pretty straight forward response to your question.

bolddigger

1.) I don’t know who TH is.
2.) I responded when erroneously referred to as a he. I am a woman.
3.) I wonder why the admin doesn’t delete this abusive, bizarre and off-topic content and ban the users who post it?
4.) I don’t wonder why people don’t actually put real information on this board.
If this is the response a new user gets to the simple question,” Has anyone gotten a permit to dig for treasure recently and, if so, how did you get it?” then why should anyone bother to share what they’ve found?

After reading the most recent bullshit all I can say is the users on this forum are pathetic.
If you were looking for some helpful advice, my best advice is you look somewhere else because anything you take from here is junk. Just a bunch of ass holes digging empty holes

bolddigger

1.) I …

Making friends…

bolddigger

4.) I don’t wonder why people don’t actually put real information on this board.
If this is the response a new user gets to the simple question,” Has anyone gotten a permit to dig for treasure recently and, if so, how did you get it?” then why should anyone bother to share what they’ve found?

4) try reading the years of info here.
also…just dig..or probe

So, I’d just like to make something clear for anyone reading these posts:
You can’t get a permit to dig for Secret-related treasure in Boston right now by calling the right department, being honest, knowing who governs the land, etc. They are not giving them out. You will get an unequivocal no from everyone you talk to. Maybe in the past it was easier, but not now. Maybe if you know someone in the local government you may have an easier time of it. But let me assure you, even if you are persistent and have the money for permits, COI, whatever, you will not get a permit to dig anywhere in the city of Boston by the usual channels. Anyone who tells you a different story is misinformed.
And it has nothing to do with the merit of your solution– they don’t even ask or care. It doesn’t matter if you have a really solid theory, new evidence, etc..
This is what I was talking about when I asked if anyone had recently gotten a permit, as in 2019 for this treasure hunt.
I’m not giving up by any means– far from it–but I want anyone who thinks the process is straightforward to know it’s not.
Feel free to prove me wrong by giving a straight answer with an actual contact number and a recently approved permit to your credit. I’m listening. I’m sure I’m not the only one who would appreciate actual information.

I do like the fact that the building has a planetary science section.  It’s hard to tell from the photo, but it looks like there are orbs on top of it.  Potential match with the globe and orbs at the base of pic 11?

Go to
www.mit.edu
They have a campus satellite map and virtual tour.
I think you can get so close you can read the books in the
library.
My probablem is that ‘Ivy’ should be related to Harvard
and Radcliff, not Boston College or MIT..
Harvard doesn’t have any buildings that match up with
either the verse or the image…
MIT is on the water (face the water, back to the stairs)
Then again, Paul Revere doesn’t have much of a link
to any of the Universities….
At midnight, Paul Revere ride over the Charles from
Boston to Charleston – between MIT and the USS Constitiution.
Similar to where the Museum of Science and Planetarium are at.
(no good other matches though)
I had a stab at trying to link this Image with Las Vegas (Sin City,
the Boxing capital of the US, city that is always llight)
I abandoned the idea with no clear cut path or guide….

not finding  a clear 80s img of the FCO,did find this not much help
the structure at MR in 29
http://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_pub … 067458241/
59 fenway boston
http://www.bostonfirehistory.org/active … ffice.html
http://www.bostonfirehistory.org/

New here but been working on this for a little while here’s what I’ve come up with. I could very well be totally wrong, but at the very least maybe it will help people look at something differently.
Starting point: BPL
If Thucydides is North of Xenophon
Head West 5 “Steps”
Take five steps
In the area of his direction
If we say steps are blocks you end at St Clement Eucharist Shrine. I haven’t seen this referenced as a possibility before.
The front is reminiscent of the painting:
https://catholicpilgrimagesites.files.w … c02182.jpg
Google street view shows the building under facade renovations so linked the picture above.
The Back of the Shrine on Ipswich street is similar to the “castle on the box”:https://goo.gl/maps/Pvn3KPrQrR82
If we keep going down Boylston we get to the Intersection of Boylston and CharlesGate:
https://goo.gl/maps/FkoeWN3LMB92
and further down
https://goo.gl/maps/FkoeWN3LMB92
This could be a straightforward meaning for a tower of green lights as I’m almost certain the light poles were all painted green.
If you are on Bowker Overpass you can see the Fenway Park as well:
https://goo.gl/maps/YYtGvAZZgv62
Face the water back to the stairs would put you facing towards the Charles River (Home – Dirty Water Reference)
For All the letters are here to see. Could be taken two ways in my opinion.
The Victory Gardens are definitely a good possibility.
The other way I’ve thought of is to read it as All the letters are Here(ford) to See(C – Commonwealth Ave or to C – Charlesgate)
The cross streets from Boston Commons go in alphabetical order Arlington Berkeley, Clarendon, Dartmouth, Exiter, Fairfield, Gloucester,Hereford
So maybe this is direction to cross over Bowker Bridge
18 days and 12 hours works for Paul Revere, but I’m not sure how it fits into the directions.
If you convert to hours its 444 hours. 444 Commonwealth Avenue is roughly at Charlesgate Park.
The numbers jump
from 418:
https://goo.gl/maps/cQzj9afj1As
to 464:
https://goo.gl/maps/kG9e2tbFMSK2
Lit by Lamplight would represent Charlesgate Park (Globe Lamps)
In Truth, Be Free
Possibly a reference to Leif Erikson as he is the “True” finder of North America
Again this is just my take after reading as much as I could from Pbworks and doing my own research.

Frankly, there isn’t much unpaved surface around Copley, except in the square itself (which is just a featureless lawn now). It would be difficult to bury anything in the vicinity. I hope it’s in the Little Italy section, that would make more sense overall.

Sorry, when I said “Irishy-ness” I meant to say “Italian-ness”. LOL. Getting my “I”s mixed up.
So, is there any >Italian-ness< (yes, I know that's not a real word ^_^) in or around Copley Square?

Unknown

Unknown:
Keep in mind, BP probably couldn’t be doing much satellite imagery in 81.

He might not have, but the walkways through the area would probably have been far less overgrown then, as well as being kept up a bit better and therefore a lot more visiible. Remember, this area has been largely abandoned in the last few years. I’ll bet it was a lot less so then.  besides, there are a couple of the other Pics where there are decent “overhead” views that show possible locations based on their shapes. Why not here?

Very true.

I am sorry if this is a big waste of space, I just wanted to share…
From 5 steps down, you will see all these things: triangle beside the bench from a slightly-overhead view, the bust from a side view, Evangeline and Blacksmith wall, and the lamppost with a T in it.

Also, the 0 in the 70 looks very much like an outline of Cambridge Commons, which is down the road from Central Square (ther’s a lot of squares in the center, per se, in the image).

I continue to hold onto the idea that the bird is only there to suggest that if we were to perch on something, we’d see what we need to see to convince us we’re in the right spot.
Falcon’s (Perigrine?) are known for having excellent vision.
I don’t want to take it any further than that.  I’m really tired of overthinking things.

Goldengate

Hi Image 11 gang! I’m an Image 1 kind of guy, but since I was doing some HD image captures of the Expedition Unknown episode, I thought I’d include this wicked sharp CU of the OG image 11 painting for you to dissect in case there are any differences like had been found in Image 9.
And with that, I’ll just, uh…
https://imgur.com/a/cS40t

Thanks GG!

…yeah, thanks for that; these screen grabs show up better detail than the scans. (See comparison.) Don’t suppose there’s a different frame which shows the right column without the brushes in the way…?

Goldengate

Hi Image 11 gang! I’m an Image 1 kind of guy, but since I was doing some HD image captures of the Expedition Unknown episode, I thought I’d include this wicked sharp CU of the OG image 11 painting for you to dissect in case there are any differences like had been found in Image 9.
And with that, I’ll just, uh…
https://imgur.com/a/cS40t

One thing that immediately jumps out is that the blue highlights are not there. I believe they were added after.
I’ll have to rewatch to see if that’s the case for all of the images.

…on the screen grab (left) I’ve boosted the brightness and contrast slightly towards the scan (right). I think the blue highlights were there, but perhaps the printing/scanning process brought them out…dunno though, you may be right…

gManTexas

Smack in the middle of everything. Any idea about the view in 1980?
Also, could the patterned globe holder represent the alternating blocks of the arches in the Old South Church near the library?

It’s just as good as any other match to bridge, window and doorway arches throughout the city. You would be amazed at how many alternating colored block arches one can find in this town. It’s maddening.
I’ve been trying to take a meditation (clear mind) approach lately when looking at the image. I noticed something last night that stood out for some reason. Probably nothing, but all 3 of the blue globes at the bottom of the image do not complete a full circle. One is cut off by the table/bench, one is chopped at the right border and the other at the stand/leg next to our lady. They all seem to make similar shape and look like they might fit inside of each other.
Help me out erexere, I’m losing my mind a little!

That’s a great observation! Gotta think about that.
Has anyone figured out the feature on the base (column) the rightmost globe is on? It’s spiky and gold colored. Wiki image coords. P-9.

Bingo, I applaud that sort of approach. We need to take a break from hardline thinking and sometimes just wonder aloud about things that don’t or do fit nicely. It’s sometimes that nudge or tug of something that doesn’t seem quite right that holds the most promise.
I will look at those globe’s for awhile and meditate on your idea.

Ok so what do we think about this!? That crater thing is shaded like the wwii mem…look it is dark in the spot where the mem structure is, and also a full circle like the whole thing is.
https://imgur.com/a/EVSsU

BINGO

Reeds, reeds and more reeds. Agassiz Rd basically bridges over the muddy river. One side is the victory gardens and Mother’s Rest and the other side has the war memorial, Rose Garden, Clemente field, etc.
It’s actually difficult to see anything from the duck house because the reeds on both sides of the river are like 8’ tall.

I was reading an article about the Duck House, that it was created to provide a relief from the hustle and bustle of the city. When you look at it, besides being called a house, it looks like a home, with a front and back yard. You can go in the back yard and feel like you a are million miles from everything. Might have been a good place for BP to bury the casque.

strike13

Ok so what do we think about this!? That crater thing is shaded like the wwii mem…look it is dark in the spot where the mem structure is, and also a full circle like the whole thing is.
https://imgur.com/a/EVSsU

I don’t think there is any doubt that the Winged Victory statue is referenced.

I have doubts. Compare it to the strength of the Bowman in Image 5. How strongly do other components of the puzzle place you in direct consequence of view of that statue?

erexere

I have doubts. Compare it to the strength of the Bowman in Image 5. How strongly do other components of the puzzle place you in direct consequence of view of that statue?

We have the large image of Dolly Parton that looks a heck of a lot like the Winged Victory statue. Also, “Winged Victory” is mentioned int he book.

How is further exploration of the Winged Victory working out?
Does the size of something taken as a visual clue mean its more significant in some way? Starting of a breadcrumb maybe? Or does it suggest the treasure ground?
Why is Dolly Parton of special importance here?
How do the fair folk of old Italy subscribe to pop culture?

erexere

How is further exploration of the Winged Victory working out?
Does the size of something taken as a visual clue mean its more significant in some way? Starting of a breadcrumb maybe? Or does it suggest the treasure ground?
Why is Dolly Parton of special importance here?
How do the fair folk of old Italy subscribe to pop culture?

Lol, you are reading too much into it. I affectionately call the woman in Image 11 Dolly Parton, because she looks like Dolly Parton.
I have no opinion on the relative size of an object stressing more or less importance. It would be great if it was that simple.

I’d rather call her Pandora.

erexere

I’d rather call her Pandora.

Dolly Pandora

Per the discussion re: the Agassiz Duck House as a possible location. I remember reading that there used to be a memorial there but it was moved. I looked everywhere to try and get an image of this memorial but couldn’t find it anywhere. I even looked via Google Maps on Peddocks Island but nothing. Could this memorial hold one of the clues? It says a plinth still remains. Strike13 – did you see any kind of concrete base?
I found this blurb on Wikipedia:
Radio Operators memorial (relocated)
This memorial, commemorating the radio operators who lost their lives on merchant ships during the Second World War, depicts a sinking ship with S.O.S. in Morse Code around the base. It was moved in the 1990s to Peddocks Island at the request of veteran operators, as Peddocks was where they trained. Its plinth remains located on Agassiz Road adjacent to the Agassiz Bridge, overlooking the war memorials across from the Kelleher Rose Garden.
I’ll Google again and try to find an image of it. SOS in Morse Code is … _ _ _ … (so three dots, three dashes and three dots). Could the odd images on her scarf have some tie to this memorial?

That’s a Hard compromise…
Things work better in my mind when I attempt to frame the puzzles according to the characters involved. What were the fair folk thinking to mix strong clues to Longfellow or the historian keepers during the Persian wars with Greece?

Haarstick

Per the discussion re: the Agassiz Duck House as a possible location. I remember reading that there used to be a memorial there but it was moved. I looked everywhere to try and get an image of this memorial but couldn’t find it anywhere. I even looked via Google Maps on Peddocks Island but nothing. Could this memorial hold one of the clues? It says a plinth still remains. Strike13 – did you see any kind of concrete base?
I found this blurb on Wikipedia:
Radio Operators memorial (relocated)
This memorial, commemorating the radio operators who lost their lives on merchant ships during the Second World War, depicts a sinking ship with S.O.S. in Morse Code around the base. It was moved in the 1990s to Peddocks Island at the request of veteran operators, as Peddocks was where they trained. Its plinth remains located on Agassiz Road adjacent to the Agassiz Bridge, overlooking the war memorials across from the Kelleher Rose Garden.
I’ll Google again and try to find an image of it. SOS in Morse Code is … _ _ _ … (so three dots, three dashes and three dots). Could the odd images on her scarf have some tie to this memorial?

This is great! I did notice something on the sidewalk near the stairs of the shelter. Looks like circular concrete pads.
Across from the shelter is this base:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3432328 … 312!8i6656
Probably where it used to sit.

gMan – I have searched like crazy trying to find what this memorial looked like! Could you give it a try? But at least the concrete slabs give us a location.

strike13

Ok so what do we think about this!? That crater thing is shaded like the wwii mem…look it is dark in the spot where the mem structure is, and also a full circle like the whole thing is.
https://imgur.com/a/EVSsU

I looked at the circular crater as being an indication of degree. As in 212° , the boiling point of water. Boylston Street

MrBackstop

I looked at the circular crater as being an indication of degree. As in 212° , the boiling point of water. Boylston Street

Super clever!

Haarstick

gMan – I have searched like crazy trying to find what this memorial looked like! Could you give it a try? But at least the concrete slabs give us a location.

Wow great find!! I did not see this at alllll last week, the slabs. I will definitely go back very soon and am now researching it.

Haarstick

Per the discussion re: the Agassiz Duck House as a possible location. I remember reading that there used to be a memorial there but it was moved. I looked everywhere to try and get an image of this memorial but couldn’t find it anywhere. I even looked via Google Maps on Peddocks Island but nothing. Could this memorial hold one of the clues? It says a plinth still remains. Strike13 – did you see any kind of concrete base?
I found this blurb on Wikipedia:
Radio Operators memorial (relocated)
This memorial, commemorating the radio operators who lost their lives on merchant ships during the Second World War, depicts a sinking ship with S.O.S. in Morse Code around the base. It was moved in the 1990s to Peddocks Island at the request of veteran operators, as Peddocks was where they trained. Its plinth remains located on Agassiz Road adjacent to the Agassiz Bridge, overlooking the war memorials across from the Kelleher Rose Garden.
I’ll Google again and try to find an image of it. SOS in Morse Code is … _ _ _ … (so three dots, three dashes and three dots). Could the odd images on her scarf have some tie to this memorial?

Maybe it actually got relocated to Langone Park near the playground:
https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/gal … n-memorial
Google map location:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Lango … 71.0560417

That should be an easy monument to track down. That park is in the North End. If we only had someone close by…

That has to be it! I don’t see anything particularly familiar about it though. Ugh.
Yes I wonder if someone lives in the North End…..hmmm……

Haarstick

That has to be it! I don’t see anything particularly familiar about it though. Ugh.
Yes I wonder if someone lives in the North End…..hmmm……

Yeah i live pretty much across the street from that haha! Ive looked at it a lot in reference to this but hadn’t given it much more of a thought. I’ll go take some pics of it

Yeah i live pretty much across the street from that haha! Ive looked at it a lot in reference to this but hadn’t given it much more of a thought. I’ll go take some pics of it
It will give me some incentive to get up and get outside. I have a bit of an IPA headache

It looks like the Morse Code pattern repeats over and over around the top of the monument.
Lightning bolt dot dot dot dash dot dash
I wonder if there are any dates on the monument.
One point of interest, the Morse Code operators were in place to warn if Boston was being attacked during WWII. This is the same theme as Paul Revere and lighting the beacons in the North Church tower.
Plus you have the Longfellow connection with the Duck House. For those who don’t know, Henry Wadsworth Longfellow wrote the famous poem about Paul Revere’s Ride. Alexander Longfellow, who designed the Duck House shelter was related to Henry.

Shecrab!  This has been a useful discussion for me, because it lets me in on how others are thinking.  I can see we are mostly on the same page.  I knew we would be.
I’m very glad you picked up on the Longfellow Bridge, because that occured to me when I mentioned both Revere and Longfellow.  It is an old bridge, distinctive, and worthy of more attention.  There is also Longfellow’s house in Cambridge.  And Cambridge is full of distinctive monuments.  Funny how I’ve lived here for 10 years, but only now am I paying attention to the fancy words and statues that adorn so many of our old buildings.  I was excited yesterday, because I saw all these busts of classic writers, like Cicero, etc. and I was sure I was going to see those famous Greeks– but alas. They were on a path I walk to work every day, and I just noticed them because of this book.
I also found a statue downtown that ends with the quote, I’m paraphrasing– in a hurry now– “liberty in truth”.  Could that be “In truth, be free?”    Today is a gorgeous day here, and I am hoping to sneak away from the lab for a few hours to get some primary photos of some of what we’ve been discussing here.  Will post when I figure how to upload photos directly (maybe I’ll link to Flickr?)

Excellent find!!! Liberty in truth—could be, could be!!
You can’t post photos directly. You have to post them to a hosting service, then use embedded code. Or, as you say, link to Flickr.
I find these discussions quite useful for brainstorming. I am very glad you didn’t misunderstand my intent and take offense!

I’ve really enjoyed reading this – keep it up, guys!

I spent a considerable amount of time looking at a possible Jules Verne or Pandoras Box connection.  Not sure I have anything solid.  Might be worth mentioning the similar pattern of a circular arch design of the Hetzel bound books or his use of Farragut (east facing statue in the Boston marina).

i was trying to HELP you. chill.

look to Boston’s history for your bell answer…it’s not hard…

anus905

look to Boston’s history for your bell answer…it’s not hard…

Get off image 11 with that attitude, we dont want or need this behavior. Keep to yourself if you have nothing productive to say. Nothing is easy josh.

The globe in the round bracket is part of the Astro Orbitor.

The recent long/lat correlation wipes out my Lizzie Borden theory.  🙂 However, focusing on SLC, does anybody have theories on the “nautical flags” on either side of her dress, and a regional context for them?
Also, Rosetti is one of many to paint Pandora and her box, but it’s a fair point. There may be a connection between this location and the tale of Pandora. Or it may just be a joke, since we’re looking for a box and it’s the source of a lot of trouble.

(The actual words were apparently: “I think you deserve to  know that you are correct about st. Louid, but not correct about the location”.)

mysteriousnesss

What’re you referring to as stairs? This seems really incomplete at best. Also, what’s the Italian connection?

his/her Italian connection is the designer of the wwii memorial

Since we are doing book clues, here’s one:
On page 12 there’s a keyhole looking thing on top of the tower (purple circle) and cover of the book in gold outline.
Note the direction of fairy’s eyes.
May have something to do with the keyholes on top of the Castle tower with staggered windows.
Or like a gun’s cross-hair pointing in that direction, Trinity Church?
https://tinyurl.com/y2msghtn

strike13

his/her Italian connection is the designer of the wwii memorial

ooops. accidental and unrelated answer. not sure why i cant delete my previous comment.

Here’s your box castle:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source= … ,,0,-22.32
It’s the Castle at Park Plaza, in Boston, near Copley Square.

Just some questions and observations… If the verse is to give us an exact location, shouldn’t the “five steps” take us directly to the “green tower of lights”? Since its the next line of the verse after the steps, we should be right there. Thats if the lamppost is indeed the correct reference. I’ve been trying to come up with a good route to get there but have nothing yet. There are no more directional steps after this part. I thought if you turn your head so that T is directly north of X on the library then it’s a 2×2 route to get to either name with the “steps” going NW to SE and NE to SW just like the city blocks. Maybe 2 blocks one way then 2 blocks another five times. Or simply the area of 2×2 is 4 so just 4 blocks? But none of those get us to the lights. Also if we’re using the idea of T and X being in different states, what makes us start at the library?
Is “in the middle section” referring to where the lights are or is it telling us to look in the middle of the image?
I think that with your back to the steps facing the water (once at the correct location), you will not be able to see whatever letters there are until you sit down (feel at home).
“In truth, be free” makes me think of ” the truth shall set you free” which is John 8:32. Maybe a consideration. Maybe we will see 832 or something at the site.

The first word in the first line IF is the key to this casque.  I can’t shake the feeling that I’ve struck the right idea.  Paul Revere in his daring moment of crossing the Charles river involved three important interacting elements: Revere, the Somerset, and the Moon.
The book by John Boyle O’Reilly, titled Moondyne is about escaping from a penal colony/prison.  The word IF is the name of the prison in the Count of Monte Cristo.  A cave system is named after John, it’s called Moondyne Caves which are known topographically as a karst, which is a characterized as a sinkhole.  The two circular areas with two or three steps down in that section of interest in Charlesgate are basically the same thing, sinkholes.
The general reason we have the first lines of verse 3 is to connect to the Thucydides and Xenophon written in the stone of Boston Public Library, notably similar to Where M and B are set in stone in Chicago.  The setting of a library in Boston is very important, it illuminates our focus on making a book association, which is about Longfellow, Dumas, and O’Reilly.  We take our five steps or junctions west to find the John Boyle O’Reilly statue.  We aren’t far from the Somerset and the section of Charlesgate.
I have no doubt in my mind that once found, the casque location will have something characteristic of a prison involved.  Behind bars?  Inside a fenced in area?
Feel at home,
The transition from outside your home to inside your home is generally the front door.  I believe a simple door lines up with the spot.  Is it the small door to the metal walled box I see it opens towards the globe light inside the fenced area?  Is it the door to the fenced area itself?  Is it the gate to the Somerset across the street?
All the letters / Are here to see,
This really invites the CITGO sign interpretation.  You can only see the CITGO sign from that small area next to the metal box.  I believe we dig between the it’s door and the light.  It’s a very tight constrained area.

Four21 came up with a couple good ideas about the five steps being road junctions.  I liked his approach to the John Boyle O’Reilly the most, but I disagree about the Mothers Rest area.
Here’s an interesting breakdown from a person standing inside the fenced area.

.

erexere

All the letters / Are here to see,
This really invites the CITGO sign interpretation.  You can only see the CITGO sign from that small area next to the metal box.  I believe we dig between the it’s door and the light.  It’s a very tight constrained area.

I have never really liked this theory on “All the letters”. With all of the historical things in the area, do you really believe BP would use a modern gas station sign? I don’t….sorry.

My thoughts on the CITGO and the line “all the letters” concerns at least two important considerations.  It’s an iconic visual presence in the landscape.  In the spot that is currently under examination, there are places ranging from where you can’t see the sign at all, to places where you can see only some of the letters, and then places where you can see all the letters.  The CITGO sign is a bright red triangle solid AND it’s made of the most prominient letters in all of the landscape.
The fact that it’s a gas station logo isn’t what’s meaningful in the Preissian perspective.  I agree that Preiss would be most inclined to select only historically significant items and most specifically things modeled after a Greek standard of origin.  In this case it’s a playful take on Homer and don’t think I’m talking about Homer Simpson -I know what you’re thinking, fox!  I believe Preiss takes the idea of Homer and jams it into a baseball motif, which is what the CITGO sign represents to the Bostonian fans of Fenway Park, the home run sign, “See It Go!”.
The historic “stuff” you think needs to be Preiss’ focus is here in this spot right before the Somerset Hotel, in Charlesgate, in the Emerald Necklace, etc.

four21, i think this is MR and the building,i could be wrong
in this link is a good img of your building,on the pdf counter it says pg 17
img is labled storrow drive,building is in lower right corner,it looks like restroom
http://www.cityofboston.gov/Images_Docu … -12585.pdf

Unknown

Unknown:
What’s “the area of his direction” supposed to mean…? Makes no sense. It’s not grammatically correct. It doesn’t scan. There must be a reason why BP added “the area of”.

Sure it makes sense. In the area of his direction  would mean in the NORTH AREA. It’s grammatically correct. i.e., North Boston.

forest_blight

When we get to the point where anagrams are seriously entertained as the way to find the treasure, the terrorists have already won.

Although longer anagrams are unlikely to yield anything useful, I find it hard to discount them altogether. For instance, take:
If Thucydides is
North of Xenophon
Take five steps
In the area of his direction
What’s “the area of his direction” supposed to mean…? Makes no sense. It’s not grammatically correct. It doesn’t scan. There must be a reason why BP added “the area of”.
The direction we’re talking about is N, so one interpretation might be “area n”, or “arena”. (There’s also the “coliseum” reference.)
A search on Boston arenas throws up the
Matthews Arena
, previously the “Boston Arena”. (Arrow “A”).
This brought my attention back to the
Museum of Fine Arts
mentioned above (ringed on the map). As well as Shaw, they’ve got stuff like Revere by Copley holding a teapot:
In general, the
Back Bay Fens
looks like an interesting spot, with plenty of statuary, memorials, Japanese temple bells and stuff; water, stairs, etc.

Those are beautiful buildings but unless I am missing something(which is entirely possible) I don’t think they match the building in image 11.  Remember that the Milwaukee City Hall building in image 10, the Terminal Tower building in image 4, and the Chicago Water Tower in image 5 are spot on matches.
digger7

I compared the building on the front of the box to a few buildings in Salt Lake City, including the Mormon Temple and the Salt Lake City and County Building. Both structures resemble the image on the box. I am not sure which building is a better match.
As far as the image being presented on the side of that box, our connection may be that the image is on a
square
side of the box. I see two possibilities.
• The Mormon Temple is located in
Temple Square
. The light coming out of the box could mean the up lighting from the top of the Temple seen brightly at night.
• The City and County Building is surrounded by an established square park named
Washington Square
. I am not sure how this building looks at night.

I hope we are right on this.  I thought this image was for St. Louis, and I sent Byron Preiss a very elaborate (and very wrong) solution.

Something to remember is that there is no guarantee that the casques must be buried in an urban area. For example, we think there may be one buried on Roanoke, and there is no large city nearby. So even if the coordinates do not *exactly* match Boston or SLC, they could reference a location close to one of these locations – close enough for oblique references to the nearest urban area to still be helpful even if the casque is not physically there.

This fountain, next to the Salt Lake City and County Building, may be a good match for the fairy. I like the raised arms holding an object, very similar. I have found no information on this fountain except that it is one of two fountains on the West side of the building.
The various pictures for this compilation were found at Flickr at the following links.
http://flickr.com/photos/tyreseus/150050683
http://flickr.com/photos/pbo31/1283459547
http://flickr.com/photos/7754349@N03/1048154938
http://flickr.com/photos/matt_carroll/366776306
http://flickr.com/photos/darthphilburt/452602988
http://flickr.com/photos/darthphilburt/452602998
http://flickr.com/photos/31425651@N00/1190356902
http://flickr.com/photos/14018117@N07/1440178709

Sonoran this is a great match for the fairy ,I would agree with you that this is the meaing of the fairy, taking picture 11 to salt lake city

digger7

Remember that the Milwaukee City Hall building in image 10, the Terminal Tower building in image 4, and the Chicago Water Tower in image 5 are spot on matches.

I agree
digger7
. I expected a better match. I do like the box’s parapet match to the Temple’s parapets. What we may have, instead of a good spot on match, is a collection of partial confirmers adding up to one solid match? One of those confirmers may be the similarity of the painting window and the Temple windows.

Here is the painting window next to a flipped window from the temple. I like how the arch that travels half way around the circle can be seen in both images. I like how both images have that stone feel, including the lines and texture.
In the process of giving you guys a good side-by-side look at the window match I came across a very interesting picture with very interesting shadows. The shadows seem to mimic the “crack” in the painting window. The shadows come from some pencil like pole sticking out at the bottom of every window in the temple. Although I find the shadows very compelling, I wonder how common they are throughout the year. But wow!

WOW what a perfect match to the image. I think it is almost time to go to salt lake city and dig up the casque. Sonoran you have done a great
job
at
calibrating
the picture to actual objects

While you’re in Salt Lake city, you might want to check this out–note the “guest artist!”
http://www.whc2008.org/
I nearly fell over!! I got this from putting the words “Castle, Salt Lake City” into Google!!

I’m still not convinced about the building but I do like the statue representing the fairy and the “crack” below the window is definitely intriguing.  This is great work Sonoran

There are many images in this painting that I have yet to come close to matching. These elusive image matches include the:
Two tables at the bottom
2 and 4 on the sleeve
Opposing “A”s on the top left side clothing drape
Square inside a square symbols
Triangle inside a triangle symbol
Vine like scrollwork on the middle drape
Prominent crack/ line on the lower right or the window
Anything in the hair
Turtle
and I were scrolling through some Salt Lake City Temple Square pictures this afternoon. One of the pictures caught his eye as it passed by. When I scrolled back to the picture he wanted to see, sure enough, we saw a nice match for the tables at the bottom of the painting. The following fountain is in Temple Square on top of the Conference Center. More and more I am becoming convinced this casque is in the Salt Lake City Temple Square area.

At the moment, I’m not really leaning to any theory regarding place more than another. But in doing some research on Salt Lake, I did find this picture of the North Temple’s Visitor Center. It’s a replica of “The Christus.”  The earth and the moon in the background stood out to me. Some people describe the dome as planetarium like.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Oakl … center.jpg

shseverin11

At the moment, I’m not really leaning to any theory regarding place more than another. But in doing some research on Salt Lake, I did find this picture of the North Temple’s Visitor Center. It’s a replica of “The Christus.”  The earth and the moon in the background stood out to me. Some people describe the dome as planetarium like.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Oakl … center.jpg

Nice find
shseverin11
! There seems to that recurring Mormon planet/ moon theme in the Temple Square architecture. The outside temple wall has different moon phases.

This might prove useful for some people. I found it very helpful in looking at some of the pictures to reverse their colors in Paint and look at them with fresh eyes. It’s more obvious sometimes what elements are supposed to stand out and which are probably inconsequential. For instance in this one, it seems that each “bubble” or sphere is near an element that might be important. That’s what it looks like anyway.
Enjoy:

Sorry for any confusion this causes…but I posted a pic of what I thought was the castle on the box in Image 11, tying this image in with this verse. I was incorrect–the castle in question could not have been the one depicted, because it wasn’t there until 1985, even though the rest of the park it’s in was there from 1971. Sorry if you saw it. I’ve removed the pic and the posts.

I kept finding myself back in Copley square (specifically around that large fountain in front of the BPL – “back to the waters”) but there just doesnt seem to be a grassy enough area around there for proper burial.
I will definitely have to scour the P for any other Boston tie ins.

MrBackstop

I know this area would be easy to dig or probe but I wonder if some of the gardeners may have dug deep enough when turning over compost, or burying waste, to have inadvertently dug up a treasure they were unaware of? Thoughts? Bingo, Strike13 have you guys searched in and around 2C?

I think this very point would be why the casque probably isn’t in the Victory gardens — it should be dug up after solving a puzzle, not just by someone gardening.

So the next question would be would anyone that has a garden there actually dig deep enough to disturb the casque….I don’t believe so. There is no logical reason to dig that deep when turning compost.
So far I have two who say that it can’t be buried there. I can deal with that but what are others thoughts on the hidden map? When I saw this it while comparing maps of the area it blew my mind.

MrBackstop

So the next question would be would anyone that has a garden there actually dig deep enough to disturb the casque….I don’t believe so. There is no logical reason to dig that deep when turning compost.
So far I have two who say that it can’t be buried there. I can deal with that but what are others thoughts on the hidden map? When I saw this it while comparing maps of the area it blew my mind.

I didn’t say “can’t”, just “probably not”. While the gardens have been there for many decades, what was a compost plot one year might be a garden plot the next year, and vice versa. Families do keep the same plots in the Fenway Victory Gardens for many years, even many decades, but there are changes over time. Also, if I were designing a puzzle like this myself, I would probably not use a compost heap as the ultimate destination for a puzzle solution.

The part of that design that stands out to me isn’t the swirly designs but the three squares underneath. The vines seem more like they’re supposed to be masking it.
I’ve looked around Boston maps for that shape and it’s surprisingly hard to find. The best I’ve seen (though I haven’t searched THAT hard) is actually pretty close to the Fens. Harvard Medical’s quad:

The SA thread was locked due to gnashing of teeth because everyone expected instant gratification from Xie. I tried to post a bit when it was re-opened after the first time it was closed due to the gnashing of teeth because everyone expected instant gratification from Xie. I Certainly said a thing or two purely out of effort just to keep the thread open but failed. Regardless, I hope the theory is pursued.

Hooooly mack’rel Andy!
I like the painting, Fox. And the steps.
You may even convince me away from Copley.
Where’s the water?

maltedfalcon

The cleveland site was hidden behind a wall, also very secluded and  out of sight…

Secluded?  Wasn’t there a wedding going on just on the other side of the wall the day Sir Egg unearthed it?

forest_blight

Surely we can find other instances of Thucydides and Xenophon. I mean, heck – their names were also chiseled on stone
within feet
of the Cleveland casque, remember? Those guys got around.

forest_blight

I mean, heck – their names were also chiseled on stone
within feet
of the Cleveland casque, remember? Those guys got around.

I can not remember if I have suggested this or not but what if we are focusing too much on poor old T and X?  It seems quite obvious {at least to me} that our T and X came from:
“The next Augustan Age will dawn on the other side of the Atlantic. There will perhaps be a Thucydides at Boston, Xenophon at New York, and in time, a Virgil in Mexico, and a Newton in Peru.”  by Horace Walpole.
Boston…is of course…North of New York.  Perhaps there is a monument/memorial/??? of Walpole that we need to locate and take steps towards him.  I have always like the Copley Sq idea but if there isn’t any logical places to dig, maybe the T and X on the BPL are just coincidental, a la:
and…regarding Mr. Walpole, taken from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horace_Walpole
:
“His
Letters
are highly readable, and give a vivid picture of the more intellectual part of the aristocracy of his period.”
…..&…..
“Works by Horace Walpole, 4th Earl of Orford at Project Gutenberg
The Letters of Horace Walpole, Volume 1
The Letters of Horace Walpole, Volume 2
The Letters of Horace Walpole, Volume 3
The Letters of Horace Walpole, Volume 4
Letters of Horace Walpole, Volume I
Letters of Horace Walpole, Volume II”
All the letters are here to see…

Okie dokie…how about this?  The casque is in the Boston Common.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Common_(park
)
Directly across the street from the Common is the St. Paul’s Cathedral.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral_ … ul,_Boston
St. Paul’s?  I seemed to have stopped the above quote a little short.  It is, in full:
“The next Augustan age will dawn on the other side of the Atlantic. There will, perhaps, be a Thucydides at Boston, a Xenophon at New York, and, in time, a Virgil at Mexico, and a Newton at Peru. At last, some curious traveller from Lima will visit England and give a description of the ruins of St Paul’s, like the editions of Balbec and Palmyra.”

sorry….and if
A) my theory that all of the casque locations are somehow connected, AND
B) there is a casque in Lafayette Sq in New Orleans…..
check out what is right there in the Common:
http://flickr.com/photos/wallyg/4890019 … 189278271/

The Guild Steps
could definitely be our “Back to the stairs”
and I am SURE this is a coincidence but I wanted to share anyways…  When doing a google image search for “The Guild Steps, Boston”, one of the hits I got was this, with the partial title “founders of the Guild of Boston …”
she looks a lot like our jewel holding fairy in this P.   🙂  The painting is titled
The Blue Cup
by Joseph DeCamp.

fox

Secluded?  Wasn’t there a wedding going on just on the other side of the wall the day Sir Egg unearthed it?
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Secluded in the sense he was hidden behind an 8 foot wall  yes I would say so  the very fact that he could dig near by an ongoing wedding proves it is secluded and out of sight

With the World Series going on let me add a couple more items of interest concerning Fenway Park.
I’ve mentioned the number 42 on Erin’s sleeve having more than one meaning….like obviously Boston’s latitude, and also, 1942 being the year that the Fenway Victory Gardens were built. What I want to add to that is the number 420. Look at Erin’s sleeve with the 42 and notice that there is also a partial “0” as well. This is from an area in Fenway Park known as the “Triangle” in center field. The dimensions for the deepest part of Fenway in the Triangle is 420 feet.
Also, has anyone noticed yet that the fairy has red baseball seams on her right shoulder? Zoom in to check it out.

MrBackstop

With the World Series going on let me add a couple more items of interest concerning Fenway Park.
I’ve mentioned the number 42 on Erin’s sleeve having more than one meaning….like obviously Boston’s latitude, and also, 1942 being the year that the Fenway Victory Gardens were built. What I want to add to that is the number 420. Look at Erin’s sleeve with the 42 and notice that there is also a partial “0” as well. This is from an area in Fenway Park known as the “Triangle” in center field. The dimensions for the deepest part of Fenway in the Triangle is 420 feet.
Also, has anyone noticed yet that the fairy has red baseball seams on her right shoulder? Zoom in to check it out.

How about a location as simple as the spot where the road Fenway and Park Drive intersect (on the fens side). Fenway Park.

fox

I am still sold on our box castle representing (not exact replica) Bostons’ Park Plaza Castle.  I feel that BP manipulated parts of the real building to create our box castle.  Remember, Chicago’s Water Tower is not and was never a windmill.
The Park Plaza Castle has everything that our box castle has.  It has the slanted roofline:
It has the “castle walls”:
and MOST importantly, it has the tower with offset windows:
By all means, keep looking…and if our box castle is found how it is depicted, I will be the first to say “Great Work!”…but until then……………

That is the Park Plaza Castle AP which I pointed out back on page 48 of this thread {resubmitted below} as well as much longer ago than that.  I am still sold that this is our castle.

Fox,
Thanks for pointing out your previous photos.
That location definitely has great resemblance.!
AP

For more (and recent) photos of this very interesting building, see my Boston album at webshots:
http://community.webshots.com/user/quantpsy

Looking for a locally recognizable landmark in Boston for image 11…
maybe it is the “castle” on the box.
There are at least two “castles” in the Boston area that people would know about.
One is the restaurant on 101 Arlington St.  (Did it exist in 1981?)
The other is part of Boston University on 225 Bay State Rd.
Here is a map to show their proximity to the Boston Library (Copley Square)
and to the Boston Commons garden.
A
.  This is the restaurant.  It has two turrets
B
.  This is the building that is part of Boston University.  It has been around
for many decades.
Any opinions?
AP

Thanks Strike, that was a great article.
Kalessin, I’m curious to know if there was an earlier bowling alley there along with the Spinoff. And if not in that actual building somewhere very close by?
I ask because of the ball on top of the old milk bottle in Image 11 at bottom right is similar to how bowling was done way back when……old milk bottles would be placed by hand before attempting to be knocked down by the bowler. This ball appears to be a blue bowling ball on a milk bottle. The other blue globes have white highlight reflections which would indicate being outdoors. I see those representing the bodies of water,….Muddy River and St Charles River.
Notice the other blue ball doesn’t have a white reflection which would indicate being indoor. Of course an indoor light would reflect a white highlight, but this is what I believe BP and JJP were trying to accomplish.

In the “Cleveland” thread, Egg stated the BP confirmed that the faeries place of origin tied in with the casque location.  If this is indeed true, could we then possibly tie this P with Boston (more specifically the Italian renaissance inspired area of Copley Square)…?
“Peridot of old Italy:
antique, and olivine, and rich.”
Could the building on silver box be the Trinity Church?
just more ideas to mull over…….

“PI” appears reversed at the top of the arch.
I wondered if there was a suggestion of III . 1 4 II (3.142) to go with it…
…or the 16th character of the Greek alphabet…

anus905

i was trying to HELP you. chill.

If want to “HELP” and be a productive, respectable member here, start by sharing your wisdom. You haven’t offered any information in regards to Boston or image 11.
Everyone makes mistakes. Everyone makes wrong assumptions. Everyone gets frustrated when the dots don’t connect. The last thing people need is empty advice from someone who claims to have all the answers, but still can’t seem to pass the tests.

i did. you guys deleted it all so gtfoutta here…

anus905

i did. you guys deleted it all so gtfoutta here…

You’ve never posted anything about Boston. Also, how can anyone delete your posts? The only stuff that is gone is when you got banned. Both times.

lol you cant ban me, all you can do is scrub my shit. i can still log on with those accounts.

anus905

lol you cant ban me, all you can do is scrub my
shit.
i can still log on with those accounts.

Hey butthole, (by the way, very fitting name for you),
Take a long walk off a short pier and make the world a better place. Please hold wicket’s hand firmly while you do it.

dude take all that negative energy and use it to solve a clue. youre exhausting. how do you not stroke out?

Unknown

Unknown:
Brigham Young Monument
An impressive bronzed monument, just north of the intersection at Main and South Temple Streets, honors Church leader and pioneer-colonizer Brigham Young, who led the first company of Mormon pioneers to the Salt Lake Valley in 1847. This monument also pays tribute to the Utah Indians and fur trappers who preceded the Mormon settlers.
The statue of President Brigham Young was first displayed at the Chicago World’s Fair in 1893. It stood briefly on Temple Square and was then transferred to the intersection of Main and South Temple streets in 1897, where it stood until 1993, when it was moved north to its present location.

Sorry Boston fans, I’m back on the Utah connection for image 11.
I’ve always wondered why Pandora has such mannish hands.  No Seinfeld jokes please.  JJP seems to draw very nice, feminine hands in other images, but poor Pandora has “man-hands”.
Then I found the statue of Brigham Young in Salt Lake City.
Notice the position of his outstretched left hand, perfect for holding a box.  His right hand holds the top of his cane, similar to how Pandora holds the lid of her box.
For more information on the monument, see:
http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM27YX
http://www.lds.org/placestovisit/location/0,10634,1783-1-1-1,00.html
The second link says:
What do you think?

something i noticed today has to do with the 4 thats on her left sleeve.  theres only half, which goes along with the 2 theme, but if you look at her rght arm, near her bicep, she has a arm band type thing which looks A LOT like the top half of the four. so again, the 4 split into 2 equals 2, or it could mean that theres a picture puzzle to put together. who knows, let me know what yo uall think.

Washington DC sounds very likely. I think one of the Smithsonian buildings looks similer to the box image. I do not know if the neckline is a clue or not. The winfow is another key clue. It is likely that this is some sort of walkway around a circular object in the correct location.
The words in truth be free would certinly make sense for D.C.
And to be honest High Park in Toronto did not look at first blush like it matched either the image or the verse.
BP said one casque was in Canada so the first thing to do is nail down the location of image 3. If it goes to Kill Devil Hills then this is Canadian if this goes to Halifax then DC should be looked at closely.

Probably nothing, but I see coordinates that put me right smack in the middle of Williamsport, PA.  Looking at pictures and whatnot, I haven’t found much that would serve as any sort of confirmer.  The only things that I have found are:
The globe on the front of the Williamsport Sun looks like it may have the same texture as the globes in P11.
The James V. Brown Library has names on the side of the building much the same as the Boston Public Library.  The only picture I have found that is good enough to see the names only shows the left side.  Thucydides and Xenophon are not on that side…would be interested to see if they are on the other side.

It’s important to know the risk of making a wrong assumption at any point in the puzzle. Identifying a visual “match” has ranged from being very loosely approximate in its shape from things that just look similar to things that might only be generic, to things which look spot on perfect and might also be more on the unique side of things. Then there’s the whole judgment call on whether that visual link has the purpose of putting a viewer in a physical place, like standing on a street corner in front of that visual, or whether it has a more creative use, suggesting the name of something, like a rebus, the name of a state, an historic event, etc.
I’m still looking at the LotJ for guidance on how to proceed with the puzzle. The peridot of Old Italy is olivine, antique, and rich. I wonder if we’re suppose to form some understanding based on looking for something comparatively like an olive tree, or something ancient, or to do with wealth. A type of oil is produced from olives, though it’s not the same as the petroleum from which gas fuels are typically derived. Old type pre-electric era lighting was fueled by gas. Perhaps the green tower of lights line in the verse is a some kind of link to gas. I’d always assumed it was talking about an electric light tower, but if I try to take the perspective of a Fair Folk, we might be thinking of something tall and towering, bearing the “fruit” like that of an olive tree, which produces gas. Could that then equate with the Citgo sign? Whoa, sounds like a risky line of thinking, since that sign has been reported to be seen from anywhere around the city…

The water tower in Chicago is just one visual match. Why start there? Why would you not start at the sculpture at the entrance of Grant Park, which is also a visual match? I think the Greek centaur leads you to the Greek Cultural Garden more so than the terminus. I think you need to figure out the overall idea of where to look once the city has been determined by the image. IMO, you need to find a tie-in to the immigration theme of each puzzle. in Chicago, for example, it was Grant Park. Grant was the first US President to ever travel to Ireland, home to Grant’s ancestors. In Boston, it’s Italians. A park in Little Italy, or one named after a prominent Italian figure, etc would make more sense. In Charleston, I would think you would look to a park, street or area that pays tribute to African Americans. Some of the cities are more difficult, like St Augustine, where nearly everything has Spanish roots. I do think this approach, if I can prove it, could help narrow down areas in Montreal, Houston and possibly San Francisco.

Didnt Preiss say he had to sneak over a fence once to bury a box?

I like this illustration by JJP of the Tax Burden. The strap vertically intersecting the $ symbol is exactly like finding a spot where the green light pole intersects the SS-gate and is a huge giveaway clue. What better reference to Boston is there given the events of the Boston Tea Party in protest of the taxation of Britain on the American colonists.

I have not seen it mentioned yet…that the celestial body to the right of the moon
in image 11 is, no doubt, Venus.
There was a racy novel, “Venus In Boston”, originally published in 1849.
It may have the dubious distinction of being considered the first “pornographic American novel”.
Being literary, would  BP have used this to point to Boston???

Langone Park 1983

Langone Park Recent

The field and fence looks to be generally unchanged since 1983.
The area behind the fence has had some considerable renovations over the years. I’m sure the poster’s theory has plenty of wiggle room to keep it alive and well. But, my most basic question still stands; how do you logically get to a very specific area with any confidence? A spot that is actually worth burning a favor with Park officials AND worth going through the effort of digging.
I still believe this puzzle is more about finding the actual spot that the casque was buried, not finding a general area and digging endless holes until you find a casque or give up. It has to be that way, otherwise, the found casque count will likely stay at two.

BINGO

The field and fence looks to be generally unchanged since 1983.
The area behind the fence has had some considerable renovations over the years. I’m sure the poster’s theory has plenty of wiggle room to keep it alive and well. But, my most basic question still stands; how do you logically get to a very specific area with any confidence? A spot that is actually worth burning a favor with Park officials AND worth going through the effort of digging.
I still believe this puzzle is more about finding the actual spot that the casque was buried, not finding a general area and digging endless holes until you find a casque or give up. It has to be that way, otherwise, the found casque count will likely stay at two.

I’ll try to find out exactly what was right there in that area behind the little league field back in the late 70s early 80s. Looks kind of like a playground to me. I’ll ask a few neighbors who grew up here, they may have photos.

Current situation…
https://imgur.com/UnLepMM

I like that planter. good find.
In this view there are 3 circular bushes on the path outside which seem to match too.
http://binged.it/1q3pMNz

Unknown

Unknown:
In this view there are 3 circular bushes on the path outside which seem to match too.
http://binged.it/1q3pMNz

Interesting! That fits with something else I was thinking about: in the image, the mark in the wall to the right of the fairy looks like an arrow. It would be pointing to approximately the 3-bushes location.

I spent this afternoon scouting possibly-relevant locations in Boston and taking pictures. My pictures are all available at
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126777965@N07/sets/72157645898689497/
. Here’s a summary of what I found:
Boston Commons, public gardens, and Comm Ave mall
: Nothing of interest
BPL and Copley
: Nothing mind-blowing. Inside the library I noticed that Longellow’s name is one of a handful that appear on the arches in the lobby, and that the arch over the stairs has a pattern resembling Pandora’s collar.
Mothers Rest area
: Nothing of interest.
Victory Gardens
: The main thing that struck me here is that the “letters” might not be obvious to someone who hasn’t seen them all laid out on a google map. The signs for the lettered paths are fairly unobtrusive, and the only other evidence I saw was an also-unobtrusive sign on the main info board with the letters. I also considered the possibility that Thucydides and Xenophon represent the T and X paths, but I don’t really like that theory because T is *south* of X.
Kelleher Rose Garden
: This is where I got excited. For those who haven’t seen it before, whiterabbit made this side-by-side comparison with the overall shape of the rose garden and the image:
The first thing I noticed at the rose garden is that the layout is very easy to see from ground level, so someone who didn’t have aerial photos could easily make the connection. It’s a really good match – in my opinion, better in person than in the aerial picture. Unfortunately, I didn’t get any pictures that show the paths well.
The second thing I noticed was that a lot of the labels on the roses had names like “Fairy rose” and other things evocative of the fair people, so I imagine BP would have loved the place.
The third and most exciting thing I noticed was that there’s a planter in the southeast part of the garden (what I call the “stem”) that has a good match for the S pattern on Pandora’s dress:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126777965@N07/14870894795/in/photostream
It’s not a perfect match, but it’s at least as good as any others I’ve seen, and since it’s located in the rose garden, its geographical location is consistent with that in the image. I don’t know for sure that the planter was there in 1982, but I did find a picture at
http://landscapenotes.com/2012/06/12/two-boston-rose-gardens/
suggesting that the planter used to be in the center of the fountain, so it may have been more prominent in BP’s time.
Of course, that doesn’t tell us anything new about where to dig, but it may help convince naysayers that we’re in the right city.
2C area
: I took a handful of pictures here, but I don’t feel like I got a lot of new information. The middle globe was broken, so until that’s fixed, it will be hard to tell what the night-time lighting is usually like at that site.
The nook really is secluded – more so than it looks in google’s pictures. The only people likely to see you would be people walking on the overpass above, and it’s not very pedestrian-heavy. Here’s a picture showing the view from the road:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126777965@N07/14870879985/in/set-72157645898689497
There was a blanket in the nook – it looked like perhaps someone had been sleeping there, which I took as further evidens that it’s not a very visible location. I moved the blanket, took some pictures, and replaced the blanket. It also occurred to me that if someone digs there again, they could cover the digging with a blanket after the fact, since a blanket stands out much less than a hole. That said, I still don’t see compelling evidence that the nook is the place where one should dig.
I got some pictures of the fence and the area between the building and the fence for whiterabbit, but didn’t notice anything of interest there.
MIT pyramids
This was a longshot, but I swung by MIT to check whether Thucydides and Xenophon’s names appeared on the “pyramids” in Killian Court. (I used to be an MIT student, so I’m especially excited about the prospect of a casque near MIT, though I don’t see much evidence for it.) One of the pyramids was under renovation and wasn’t visible, but the others confirmed my recollection that the names on the pyramids are primarily hard scientists rather than historians, so I doubt T and X are there.
Those are most of my new thoughts. Feel free to browse my pictures and ask questions. I may or may not have time to look around more on Monday.
Also, I doubt this is relevant, but the friend I’m staying with mentioned that he’s an athenaeum member, in case we want to see anything inside there. I remember someone mentioning that the athenaeum doors resemble Pandora’s scarves, but I agree with those who suggested that BP wouldn’t use clues inside a private building.

Thanks walstib!

you forgot
“Around which it rotates”

maltedfalcon

you forgot
“Around which it rotates”

…
i need to buy you a beer…
How about this, the $ symbol has a line dividing it in the middle, rotate it, backwards $?

I’ll be…
same thing happened to me when I arrived at a hopeful casque site three years ago.

the google car cam not so good in 2007, but big dif from 2013
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.352634, … 07!6m1!1e1

I posted another picture under Verse 3 too–that of Horace Walpole’s home Strawberry Hill in London. You’ll have to read back a couple of posts to know why, but it’s another box semi-match.
The swirls may be wrought iron, but I’ve always seen letters in them too–like in the front pages of the book, there’s that drawing of the fence–if you look at those swirls you can see the words “Looks” and “Tease.”

Why are you considering a castle that is in the wrong hemisphere?

forest_blight

The P’s do contain elements that have little or nothing to do with the solution, but let’s assume that Pandora is somehow important to the solution here. What is it about Pandora that could lead us to the casque?

Well, she was created by the Greeks and we already have the Greek Theme caque uncovered.  The article about the coliseum and Pandora’s Box is mostly about the Germans and the French.  She has nothing to do with the Italian theme, right?  If this image is in Boston, what else can Pandora be doing there
Can we only Hope?
BTW, what fountain are you talking about BigMatt?  The one in the courtyard of the BPL, or the one in the park at Copley Square?

boogieman

Well, she was created by the Greeks and we already have the Greek Theme caque uncovered.  The article about the coliseum and Pandora’s Box is mostly about the Germans and the French.  She has nothing to do with the Italian theme, right?  If this image is in Boston, what else can Pandora be doing there
Can we only Hope?

I was thinking she stood for hope so searched for anything hope related around here….I didn’t find to much in my quick search. We have The Hope House…It’s a mens home, maybe for the homeless?

Whitey9457

what church is that? i will admit that the 4 looks pretty dead on but the church only resembles the castle a bit and i really think that i could find a similar 4 near a similar church elsewhere… also, it looks like the bottom of the 4 is on her left arm, but for some reason, the top of the 4 is on right arm and the top of the 4 from the image is different than the 4 in the photo you posted

That’s the Harvard-Epworth United Methodist Church.
Here’s Xie’s explanation of the whole theory over in the Verse 3 thread:
http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/h … 83#p125483
The only thing that doesn’t work is the link to pictures of the Harvard gate, but I posted those earlier.

Part of me is really starting to think that the verses/images haven’t been paired up correctly…
I have only been looking at this image and the verse that we’re talking about. How confident are people that they are all correctly paired?

I’m confident with p1v7, p2v6, p3v11, p6v5, p7v2, p8v1, p9v10, p10v8, p11v3, and p12v9.  All have really fun prospects that are thematically self-consistent.  Others here share a consensus of a here-and-there consistency more like a scavenger hunt format that’s developed pairings like p2v5, p6v9 and p12v10.

do you mind explaining why you believe these 2 should be paired?

Unknown

Unknown:

whitey there was /is some old imgs here someplace of MR taken in 86, and i dont think there was a place to dig
except near a street light thats not there anymore, and in that img it said in the discript, only one way in,and i
think it was from the fire station area, and the stairs that lead down now fron the O’reily statue, didnt happen
until this see below, JMO, have not found concrete proof
concerning the O’Reilly statue, and the steps, i ran across this info the statue was moved in 82
———————–
In 1982 major changes were again introduced to the Back Bay Fens:
The Boylston Street intersection was entirely rebuilt. In addition
to the relocation of the John Boyle O’Reilly statue, new walks were
installed and The Fenway widened.
The Back Bay Fens was so attractive that it invited institutions to
build near it. In 1899, the Massachusetts Historical Society Building,
designed by Edmund Wheelwright, was built at 1154 Boylston Street across from
the O’Reilly Memorial
https://www.cityofboston.gov/images_doc … -20783.pdf
—————–
Historical Society Building on the right , my guess statue was in the triangle in middle of the
intersection to the left
1978
http://www.historicaerials.com/aerials. … &year=1978
1995 the statue is where it is now, wish terra server went back to 82 for boston
http://bit.ly/1hQ2JXa
guessing somewhere near here,b4 it was moved
http://goo.gl/maps/IK1RD

Deuce

If the rain that we’re getting here in Ohio reaches Boston then digging should be a piece of cake if you’re still up for it. The ground out here is mush and it’s 55 degrees. Hope you get this thaw that’s making its way out there. Just an FYI.

it does seem to be thawing around here but with christmas coming up i am also pretty busy lately. i could maybe swing by there and check it out today. if there is snow on the ground or ice in the water way, i will assume it is still too cold to dig still…

i’ll also be in NYC for a few days coming up so I’ve been trying to set aside time to catch up on the NYC hunt

BINGO

clearly worked for the two known casque locations..

eh clearly the united states has immigrants all over it you would be hard pressed to find any city on the east or west coast that
did not have a huge immigrant history and population
To say It worked in Chicago and Cleveland without knowing exactly what it was that worked is not helpful at all because you can’t apply it anyplace else.

maltedfalcon

eh clearly the united states has immigrants all over it you would be hard pressed to find any city on the east or west coast that
did not have a huge immigrant history and population
To say It worked in Chicago and Cleveland without knowing exactly what it was that worked is not helpful at all because you can’t apply it anyplace else.

So you are saying that Cleveland being the Greek puzzle and the casque being located in the Greek cultural gardens is merely coincidence? I’ll grant you (pun for fun)) Chicago is less obvious, but the Irish ties are strong and difficult for me to ignore.
If Preiss and Palencar are known for stressing the importance of immigration, I find it difficult to simply dismiss it. You’ve been hunting much longer than I have on this, so I’ll just leave it as respectful disagreement.
Ever give any thought as to why the 18th day/12hour line in verse 3 is pointing us to Boston? If so, you probably already know that the person and the church connected to that line are located within the Italian district/community in Boston? Probably just another coincidence and should be ignored.

a respectful compromise, maybe, is that the specific casque location will confirm after-the-fact a specific immigrant connection, but the nationality alone cannot lead you from a general city theme to a target dig spot, how’s that?

BINGO

So you are saying that Cleveland being the Greek puzzle and the casque being located in the Greek cultural gardens is merely coincidence? I’ll grant you (pun for fun)) Chicago is less obvious, but the Irish ties are strong and difficult for me to ignore.
If Preiss and Palencar are known for stressing the importance of immigration, I find it difficult to simply dismiss it. You’ve been hunting much longer than I have on this, so I’ll just leave it as respectful disagreement.
Ever give any thought as to why the 18th day/12hour line in verse 3 is pointing us to Boston? If so, you probably already know that the person and the church connected to that line are located within the Italian district/community in Boston? Probably just another coincidence and should be ignored.

Does anyone believe that there is a strong Asian connection for the SF puzzle, e.g. the casque is buried in Chinatown?
I will follow this question up with Houston. Can anyone make a strong connection to Persia or Araby in the Houston puzzle? Other than being the oil capital of the US.

catherwood

a respectful compromise, maybe, is that the specific casque location will confirm after-the-fact a specific immigrant connection, but the nationality alone cannot lead you from a general city theme to a target dig spot, how’s that?

I completely agree. Being from Boston, I had a very hard time believing that the Irish wouldn’t be firmly attached to this city. To the point of wondering if the green gem in the image was actually an emerald and another mix up with the gems had occurred. I never knew and wouldn’t have guessed that Chicago had more than double the Irish immigrant population compared to Boston.
I’ve mentioned before that there doesn’t seem to be a direct connection to verse or image to the immigration of the particular city/location. So far, it’s only consistent with the burial sites. If a 3rd casque is ever recovered, it will be the ultimate test to an immigration connection. I’m just not ready to dismiss the potential until it is debunked.

the boston athenaeum door looks like our skirt, three panels, and look at our spots and circles on the door:
http://flickr.com/photos/antydiluvian/134809886/
and maybe the “CASTLE” in the picture  just stands for “KINGS” chapel
look at the bird on the  “Declaration of Independence” plaque in boston common:
http://flickr.com/photos/budil/1326273015/

Welcome aboard, mysteriousnesss. I think *everyone’s* pretty much on board with this casque being in Boston. The only question mark is where X marks the spot. I like your ideas, and it’s great to have a local on the ground.

Maybe some of these will help clarify some of your collective questions about my thoughts.  I don’t have a site to hyperlink to so I had to upload them to a free one.  Let me know if anyone has any problems seeing them.  The stairs I was referring to are in the third image.  The globes are seen from a site on the other side of the stairs where an old fence once stood, which I still have a google image of.  Let me know what you guys think because I can investigate other ideas and or take more photos if you think it would be helpful.

Those “stairs” are relatively new, no? I’m pretty sure they were poured about 7 years ago.

I thought the same thing at first but having been to the site you can see where the “stairs” connect to the overpass and how old the cracking cement is thats holding it together.  After close examination of historic aerials and the stone itself it looks like the rounded caps were the most recent addition.  The earlier photos of the site I can find are admittedly from 2001 but so far I haven’t been able to disprove their existence.  In addition, the paint is stripped to reveal granite on the backside of the steps which have a semi-new gray paint on them.  So in my mind the non-rounded portion is original and also more stair-like as well.  My biggest thing was the orientation of the lamps (which are not seen in the best photo) along with the line of sight to the victory gardens.  In addition the arc on the side of the charlesgate hotel is visible, along with the weathervane with I always thought was either the falcon’s claw or the women’s shading around the eyes.  Again just let me know if theres anything you want closer shots of because Ill be in that area tomorrow afternoon.  I also have several sets of photos from when I was investigating the area directly in front of the hotel and the two circles opposite the sommersett.

I dunno… I see rebar, and an unfinished wall being poured in segments (as it should/would have been). i can see the “rebar” a bit in your picture… what is it? it also looks like mortar was filled but not properly adheased on the right-most, tallest column; or, the space has not yet been filled. it looks like the original curb lies under the missing 5th step, meaning the wall was placed on top of the curbstone as it ran to the wall. it looks like the bridge does not come down perfectly straight, and that they tried to start the correction by setting the steps 90 degrees. You are there… can you tell for sure this is all old? Is only the last step new? The rest of the steps and the mortar are just old as all? Or was the last step lost at some point and was replaced?

Hey, nice looking litte area.  Looks kinda like the fence and fixture area in Chicago.  Can you see the Citgo sign from anywhere along that wall?