Yes!  There are a lot of 2:00 angles in this picture:
The relationship between the moon and the star in the big circle, the relationship between the fairy and the middle of the base of the box held by the woman.
I had been linking this picture to verse 7 to find a St. Louis treasure, but I now have doubts about whether or not this picture does pertain to St. Louis.  I am also beginning to question whether or not I have the correct verse.
Nevertheless, I do not know what other verse or picture could pertain to St. Louis.  I am trying to avoid reading into things what I want to find.
One thing I am sure about.  There is a casque in St. Louis.

I still like the Exile theory. It connects with Thucydides and Xenophon both being luminaries, historians of a war. Paul Revere is also involved with a time of war and Longfellow tells that tale.
The usage of the Landlord’s Tale as a way of marking the involvement of the Somerset building isn’t that complicated. In comparison, remind me what is Xiesh’s interpretation for the following section of verse, I have it as:
Feel at home
= find a reference to a dwelling
All the letters
= look for letters
Are here to see
= seeing the letters according to a unique application as opposed to seeing them from many possible angles
Eighteenth day
= paired with next line
Twelfth hour
= (cont.) reference to Longfellow’s poem, “The Landlord’s Tale”
The dwelling in this case is a building nearby that also has it’s name in the Longfellow poem. The letters on it’s gate is a forwards S intersecting a mirrored or backwards S. This is highly literal and conspicuous to that section of Charlesgate Park. Seeing either S from the unique angle where the “green tower of lights” overlays either “S” so that it becomes a “$”(money symbol) is pretty damn interesting when you consider the final lines of poem,
In truth, be free.
= think of a truth table where “p” and “q” are often presented, as such they are also an example of mirrored letters, consider this: if forwards $ symbol = cost money, then backwards $ symbol = does NOT cost money.
I think the green lamp pole (which isn’t the same as the one currently installed) directly in line with with the backwards S is THE direct path to the casque. The only problem is there is a metal wall intervening, a cyclone fence with a gate entrance approx five steps to the north of that intersecting point which also shares a line with two specific globe lamps.
My theory approach considers a greater use of the verse as a means of identifying the method for defining an exact spot as opposed to an approach like Xiesh’s where the majority of the verse acts as a loose arrangement of crumbs on a path to a site where one must guess which detail in the image acts as a defining locator. I don’t think LEDERMAN is a good enough determinant for “all the letters”, beyond which you have to do more guesswork. Looking for an actual letter and not a play on words is a more concrete approach. I’m not seeing the real evidence that Xiesh has achieved anything more than yet another highly subjective solution.
I’m not being hypocritical. I’ve been there and done that. Many of my ideas have landed in the crap-pile the moment someone points out the fallacy I’ve got tangled up in. I’m not ego hurt that you don’t like my theory and you favor Xiesh’s uncomplicated 100% correct theory. I praise Xiesh for his work. He’s the man. I’m not sure his dig will turn out as well as he hopes and we’ll continue this discussion after he’s done championing his perspective. I really do appreciate his efforts.

This association looked appealing.  It might help justify looking to the middle of the 2C, this is the Middle C clef,
and this is another vague comparison, a quarter rest, I’m thinking of the verse 3 line “take five steps”, and the expression “take five” meaning to take a rest along with the notion that a “step” in music is a simple interval between two notes,

I am really interested in Long Wharf/North End as being the place where it is. I have been kicking the idea of the old elevated 93, in the middle, as the green tower of lights as opposed to fenway

JoshCornell

taking my first look at boston…ive passed this one up cause there seems to be a solve for it. but ill see if I can fill in any missing gaps. will corroborate or negate current location if I’m able.

It is not solved, no one has found it, i know all of boston very well so if you are not in boston feel free to bounce ideas off me

tanban

I’m still very serious about finding this casque. Even after my dig attempt at the 2C area was unsuccessful, I couldn’t help feel like I should keep poking around. Lately I’ve been very busy, and have been thinking about alternative solutions that would expedite this process. I know some people also believe that the 2C area may house the casque. I have a proposition that could put our theories to rest once and for all. If other people on this site and others would be interested, I could start a gofundme or kickstarter for a GPR rental for one day to search the entire lot. I would be willing to contribute 25-30% of the funds. Is this something others would potentially be interested in?

i’m in boston thinking about checking this site out, may even try this weekend, if the ground isnt too frozen. i am wondering your thoughts though on a completely different area of boston for this….long wharf/n end waterfront?

MrSeabass

Not a bad idea, but practically any park in that area was disturbed/destroyed by the Big Dig for several years. Keep that in mind.

Not entirely….I have lived there for over 20 yrs and have seen the whole change. Big dig is what led me to think of the green tower of lights as the old elevated 93 running through the city, in the middle, as the poem says

MrSeabass

Not a bad idea, but practically any park in that area was disturbed/destroyed by the Big Dig for several years. Keep that in mind.

Are you boston based? What are you thoughts on the whereabouts?

Not Boston based but just knew of the Big Dig.
My idea? Closest point I can get to is Boston University Castle, but nothing else falls into place
What are your thoughts on this site?
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3483296 … a=!3m1!1e3

strike13

This seems to be the consensus. I would secure permission to dig. Some other people have been stopped by the local and State police.
I’ll ask again. in the ring around the lady’s head (who looks like Dolly Parton BTW) just above and to the left in the sidewalk, doesn’t that look like a moonscape? Crater and crack.

MrSeabass

I like it too, but like the castle, there’s no point of reference once “I” am there. In either case I fully support that the starting point is the Boston Public Library

I wonder why it says feel at home
the letters referred to are most likely not in that garden, seems like a much newer thing to me…
also wonder also what in truth be free means, it certainly isn’t unimportant.

gManTexas

This seems to be the consensus. I would secure permission to dig. Some other people have been stopped by the local and State police.
I’ll ask again. in the ring around the lady’s head (who looks like Dolly Parton BTW) just above and to the left in the sidewalk, doesn’t that look like a moonscape? Crater and crack.

Haha Dolly Parton! Yes, it does look like a crater and crack…

but copley square seems to be the start of the verse.
for all the images to be of things in copley square it would indicate the treasure is there.

Not really…there are plenty.
The claw of the bird–is the shape of the hook of land in Boston Harbor.
The pattern on the girl’s dress of circles, squares, etc, is the exact pattern on a sidewalk in Copley Square.
The two “a” figures are actually the shape of Copley square itself, which has a diagonal walkway separating it’s two halves.
The faint checkerboard pattern on her robe is repeated on the cathedral in Copley square.

Unknown

Unknown:
I actually missed the post from a few months ago pointing out that the specific lamp in question may not have been there in 1981

Unknown

Unknown:
There are two “Polaroid” shots taken from the compass.

Does this refer to my post dated 12/19 in this thread? If so, let me be clear. The spot that you are proposing for the dig is probably the base of an old light fixture, possibly part of the original electrical lighting system in the park. The one that is there now was probably put in in the 70s or 80s, so new only in comparison to the fixture it replaced. If the new lamp predates Preiss, then you are probably fine. However, trenching machines are wonderful tools of chaos, and if the wiring was also replaced when the new lamps were installed (likely), and this happened post 1981 (to be determined), then the treasure ground might have been destroyed in the process. So, while you wait for the ground to thaw, you might just want to find out when the work was done. In the best case scenario, the work was done in the late 70s (consistent with the style of the fixture), which would have had the added benefit of making the hole much easier for Preiss to dig since the ground was recently (again relative term) disturbed.
Any chance you can post these as well, so we can see for ourselves? I can’t see how that information would hurt you, and it could be helpful to the rest of us as we try and solve some of these other puzzles.

Unknown

Unknown:
I actually missed the post from a few months ago pointing out that the specific lamp in question may not have been there in 1981

Unknown

Unknown:
There are two “Polaroid” shots taken from the
compass
.

Does this refer to my post dated 12/19 in this thread? If so, let me be clear. The spot that you are proposing for the dig is probably the base of an old light fixture, possibly part of the original electrical lighting system in the park. The one that is there now was probably put in in the 70s or 80s, so new only in comparison to the fixture it replaced. If the new lamp predates Preiss, then you are probably fine. However, trenching machines are wonderful tools of chaos, and if the wiring was also replaced when the new lamps were installed (likely), and this happened post 1981 (to be determined), then the treasure ground might have been destroyed in the process. So, while you wait for the ground to thaw, you might just want to find out when the work was done. In the best case scenario, the work was done in the late 70s (consistent with the style of the fixture), which would have had the added benefit of making the hole much easier for Preiss to dig since the ground was recently (again relative term) disturbed.
Any chance you can post these as well, so we can see for ourselves? I can’t see how that information would hurt you, and it could be helpful to the rest of us as we try and solve some of these other puzzles.

Absolutely. I generally can only post on the boards at work (shh) where I don’t have access to all of the images. I’m done being “coy” with this one, it’s been a lack of time (and actually a lack of interest), but as someone’s hilariously stupid attempt to dig in this park showed, it’s not going to be dug up without permission. There’s no sense in holding out.
Let me see what I can dig up, I know I have at least one of these shots on my phone camera.
edit: Also continued credit to four21, who discovered both of the matches we’re discussing.

Xieish

I actually missed the post from a few months ago pointing out that the specific lamp in question may not have been there in 1981.

I think that might be my post from December 19th that was only “made visible” by a moderator very recently…
EDIT: I’m off moderation! Yay! Hello all! I’m a lifelong Boston-area resident, and started visiting the Fens and the Esplanade when I was still a kid in the 1970’s, so I have a bit of knowledge of the area over time.

Okay, I’m going to stir things up from the bottom, and let the mud settle where it may.
I’ve been doing some digging…figuratively, of course. And I came up with this startling image.
Now, this is the famous St. Louis Gate in Quebec City. And before you get all weird on me about this image and Boston, let me say I’m a big proponent of Boston–but there just isn’t ONE place we can pinpoint as to location that hasn’t been revamped, or remodeled–and we cannot seem to agree on a location within that city. So I went and looked elsewhere based on a couple of things I’d remembered about Canada.
And found the gate above.
This little picture postcard shows the gate as it still exists–nothing has changed. Nothing has been remodeled or redone. If we still use the verse (V 3) that we’ve been using, there are a few more things that also match up:
(1)
A green tower of lights.
All the lighthouses in Quebec–along the river–have
GREEN LIGHTS.
This might be the green tower of lights we’ve been looking for all along–Canadian lighthouses. You have no idea how startled I was to find this out.
(2)
In the middle section
The city of Quebec is divided into an Upper and Lower section. And there is a “middle section”–the terrace along the river.
(3)
Near those who pass the coliseum with metal walls
The Coliseum in Quebec is the place the NHL team played, in the years 1972-1995.  Official name now, Colisee Pepsi. Metal walls? Yes.
(4)
Face the water, your back to the stairs
Quebec’s Lower and Upper cities are connected by sets of “neckbreaker” stairs. All facing the water. You can do this at many points along the water’s edge. In fact, the stairs are rather well-known and famous.
(5)
Feel at home
I’m not yet sure about this…but Quebec city is one of the most immigrant/visitor friendly places in Canada, despite it being in Quebec
province
, which has never been overly friendly to the English-speaking tourists. It was literally the ONLY place in French-speaking Canada I felt at home during my visits there in the 70’s, at the height of the Separatist Movement.
there might be any number of other interpretations of this line, however. One might include the Chateau Frontenac–a spectacular place along the river, in full view of the stairs, and the water. It is a luxury hotel, where you would indeed love to ‘feel at home.’ Also, all along the promenade in front of this area, the buildings are called “maisons” which as we all know means “home.”
(6)
All the letters are here to see
This is the thing that got me started on this tack…the LETTERS. I thought–“letters = post office.” Where is a Post Office important? Where can you see the Post Office from anywhere in the city? Where is the Postmaster himself a person who greets tourists along the fortification wall?
Quebec.
The Post office’s clock tower is an integral part of Quebec’s skyline.
(7)
Eighteenth Day, Twelfth hour
I dont’ know. This is so iconic with Paul Revere. HOWEVER….I remembered also that during this same war that Revere was an essential part of, one man by the name of Benedict Arnold decided to try to escape to Quebec. so maybe there’s some connection there. Or perhaps in the 7-years war. Or maybe soemthing else entirely.
(8)
Lit by lamplight
Again, many possible interpretations. I have no clue yet.
(9)
In truth be free
This was easy enough: Quebec province is the only Canadian province that has tried to secede and become independent. The Quebec legislature began pressuring the Canadian government for its freedom during the years between 1980-1982, right around the time the Secret was being written and the casques were being buried. So that could be the reference there.
Now this leaves two very significant parts out: The Xenophon/Thucydides reference at the beginning of the verse, (for which I have no direct connection) and the latitude/longitude numbers in the image. However—the lat/long numbers can be “close” enough. Quebec City’s lat/long is 46-71–instead of the 42-71 of Boston. So….look closely at the 2 in the cuff…if you really really look at it, you might get an 8 or a 6 out of the swirls as well as a 2. And Quebec’s Latitude goes from 46-
49
–so the numbers actually may or may not be out of range.
There is another oddity in that picture: the numbers in the round window frame. And that diagonal ‘slash’ mark–you can sort of see it as 1791–which is the year that Quebec City was partitioned off from other parts of Canada. (A very significant year in the city’s history.) There’s that number down by the flower and sphere on the bottom right–note that there is a 22 there. The Citadelle in Quebec is home to the “Van Doos”–which is an anglicized name for Vingt Deux, or 22. Google for more info on the 22.
Okay, that’s enough for now.
I know this will probably make Scottrocks pretty happy, as it sort of goes along with what he’s been saying about the Canadian casque…but Scott, it’s not Toronto.  LOL….
Let me know what you all think. You said you liked new ideas! So here is one to consider.

sounds interesting!  Good Job!!!

This sounds likely. I always thought this was the image for the Canadian Casque. Even though I thought It was Toronto the thing above all else that made me think this is that I think the Maple Leaf on the Canadian flag is hidden in the flowers.
Another building that looks alot like the box image is the Frontenac Hotel in Quebec City. For now I will assume that your image matches the box image. The thing we have to do now is look for park identifiers. Most likely the bird and the window are clues to the park possibley the ferry coming out of the box may also be. I will do some checking on the Canadian version of Google and see what I can find.
The window is likely a pond or something.
We need to eliminate the 15 rows down to the ground verse as for a match to Quebec City to before we go for New Orleans.

BINGO

Not really sure. There is an art archive of it at the BPL, (along with every other piece of art ever created) but it also mentioned that it was stained glass from Plymouth County Massachusetts.

Now that would be interesting… I wonder if anyone’s ever seriously looked into the town of Plymouth as a possible location for the Boston casque?

Has anyone dug in that small spot between where the utility box used to be and the lamp?

drunknerds

Has anyone dug in that small spot between where the utility box used to be and the lamp?

That spot is Swiss cheese my friend.
https://flic.kr/p/23kz23r
One thing that many people do not know about that specific spot is that there are actually 2 electrical boxes in that spot. One is the famous one that was popular from the google street view image. The other box was/is located just a few feet away on the opposite side of the light pole. It is still there, but now it has been replaced by an electrical handhole box.
I can’t find any specific evidence that it ever had the same metal box as the other one, but if it did, it would fit nicely with the 2 “tables” separated by the globe at the bottom of image 11.

The line “with metal walls” is that area inside the metal fencing. Thinking of a fence as a wall seems odd to me, probably because we think of walls as solid, whereas a fence is a mesh.

def not.

FB-
You are really going to pull your hair out with this one.
I saw your middle of no where comment on the wiki,
and said to myself, “What the hell” and pulled up my
‘Castle web-site’ from my bookmarks…..
look what is within your ‘middle of nowhere’
coordinates….
http://www.dupontcastle.com/castles/layton.htm
Strange, but true.  I haven’t pursued this any further yet.
What are the chances??

Calary is about longitude 114 almost exactly (latitude 51).  Medicine Hat is about 50 lat / 111 long.
there aint much inbetween, or further north.
wilhouse

“Other recharge systems have since been installed in Copley Square. In the mid-1950s, a recharge system was constructed at a triangular grass plot across Dartmouth Street from the Boston Public Library. In 1968, when Copley Square was redeveloped with its current sunken plaza and fountain, another recharge system was installed below the plaza. Both systems conveyed surface water runoff into the fill through perforated pipes laid in 3 to 5-ft. thick beds of gravel or screened stone.”  This was taken from the site below. Long read though.
http://www.bostongroundwater.org/ceprep.html
Great photos FB.  You’re right.
BINGO!
Best confirmer I’ve seen to any image. Boston is lovely in summer.  Who’s there and who’s going?

Thanks boogie – I feel much better now.
I wish I could go! But alas, I cannot.

If this is right, then the 42 and 43 make sense as bounding latitudes of Boston, and the globes certainly represent the Boston Globe, as has been suggested. I may be wrong about the “AA” square after all – it does sorta look like Copley Square. The larger swirls in the lower portion of the picture could be an S and a C for Copley Square (here I go making the data fit the theory again…).
But what’s the Italian connection?
Whoever goes should look carefully for architectural details in nearby structures to match details in the image. They were all over the place in Chicago.

WOW.

Face the water
Your back to the stairs
Nah!  Couldn’t be right here could it?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/antydiluvian/89843068/

very nice FB.
perhaps it’s time to update the chart of where we think treasures are located.
wilhouse

Lets remember the flightless bird and the harpsichord lady…
for here it is      “Feel at home”
– Gibson Mansion (?)
“All the letters are here to see.”
My thoughts (forgetting those that have been
shot down due to the fact that the book was written in 1982)
– letters of the confederacy
– Ben Franklin correspondence (Dogood)
– Paul Revere engraving  (is 18th day/12th hour simply to get us to Boston?)
– post office
– ya just gotta be there

IF Copley Square is our target area, I don’t see any way around the proper verse being V3. The other candidates (V6 and V10?) don’t seem as likely to me. So, going with that, let’s see how well V3 and P11 together match Boston. A summary of the evidence:
If Thucydides is
North of Xenophon
Both names appear in close proximity on the BPL’s facade, which faces Copley Square. But why “North”? It isn’t north!
Take five steps
In the area of his direction
Whose direction? What steps?
A green tower of lights
In the middle section
The Hancock Building? It’s tall and green, and maybe lit, but why “In the middle section”?
Near those
Who pass the coliseum
With metal walls
Is BP taking us on a walk through Boston,
away
from Copley Square? Or is this a reference to some nearby structure or business?
Face the water
Your back to the stairs
The water in Copley Square’s fountain? Or the river?
Feel at home
Sit down and take your shoes off??
All the letters
Are here to see
Eighteenth day
Twelfth hour
Lit by lamplight
From Longfellow’s “The Midnight Ride of Paul Revere.” A reference to the nearby Longfellow Bridge?
In truth, be free.
Could refer to the inscription over the main entrance of BPL or to the quote of scripture inside Trinity Church, across the Square.
Details in P11 that
could
lead to Boston:
1. Chipped arch (Copley Square confirmer)
2. 42 and 43 (bounding latitudes for Boston)
3. Globe (Boston reference)
4. C and S (?) on robe
5. Castle on box may be Park Plaza Castle, about 4 blocks from Copley Square
Contrary evidence:
1. Apparent backwards 70 on left (her right) sleeve. Boston is bounded by 71 and 72.
2. Apparent lack of geographic features
3. What does it have to do with Italy?
Unknown:
1. Things outlined in her hair
2. Significance of Cooper’s hawk
3. Significance of the fairy
4. Significance of arrow in wall, far right

Picture detail that ties into this area:
The carved ’71’ in the arch for the longitude.
Statue of Science palming the globe
in the same manner that Pandora is palming
the castle box.
The two reflective green table tops
could be representative of the two
Hancock Towers.
Problem: “A green tower” (strongly indicates only one)
Question:  ‘In the middle section’
Is there anything significant between the two towers?
I am familiar with the WTC layout and immortalized by
Homer Simpson, the area betwen the towers.  What is there in Boston?

maybe the “If T is north of X” is just a sort of confirmer to ensure you are in the right place (have the right P/V connection)  You get to Cleveland and see that T is SOUTH (below) X so therefore you know you have the wrong V.  Just a thought.
I do think the “north of” refers to above….remember…north is always up on a map.

A decent aerial shot of Copley Square, showing how the BPL, Trinity Church, and the fountain are oriented:

A “turret” on Trinity Church. Our castle?

If one drinks a beer and squints one’s eyes, the shadowy upper panel looks like a capital B:
Coupled with the (possible) AA below it, BAA is the Boston Athletic Association, which sponsors the Boston Marathon. The finish line marker at Copley Square:

Another possibility for AA. John Singleton Copley was a member of the Royal
A
cademy of
A
rt, as it says on the pedastal of his statue:

Bingo!
webshots.com and flickr.com are my favorite websites now. Found while trawling for photos…
In Copley Square:
More specifically, the fountain in Copley Square:
Even
more
specifically…

Statue was installed in 1992.
The Tortoise and Hare were installed closer to 1999.
I do not know when the permanent finish line was
installed but it looks fairly recent.  Even tough the start,
finish, and course of the BM have not changed.
I am taking Trinity Church to be our representative castle.
(And the image of its reflection in Hancock to be the
castle on the box)
Another useless piece of information about a number of features
of the buildings and the immeadiate area:  prominent checkerboard
brickwork.  (possibly the unreferenced connector to another casque site)
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/p/m/1b951a/

Can anyone find out when this fountain was installed? It might be too new, and I would hate for that to be just a water stain or something.

Can someone come up with a reasonable explantion
why this would be saved on the internet?
It came up when I searched on
“letters” and “Copley Square”
http://www-tech.mit.edu/archives/VOL_03 … 3_P002.pdf
While MIT is no longer here, I wonder what is at 39 Trinity Place.

Another photo from webshots showing the same arch and strange mark:

mommaegerer, over at tweleve, has an idea for the,  Detroit,Michigan
area, for this casque. Detroit is a port city right
she said i could move her post here, she is trying to register
shes working on it
post at tweleve
http://tweleve.org/images/16299-image-11-a-8.html
——————————————————————————–
Hi everyone,
It’s been a while since I have been on this site, I am from the old ATT days. What fun those days were.
Well, maybe not for my family, since I dragged them across Michigan 7 to 8 times. lol Just the mention
of the name Newaygo State Park is enough to send everyone running. lol
Anyways, I came across the site and started exploring “The Secret” and especially image 11, because of
the possibility of Detroit. I have come up with some things I would like to share with someone who
wouldn’t mind searching a bit. I live in Northern Michigan and have an unreliable car at the moment,
and I don’t dare ask my husband to travel 4 hours in a rickety car to maybe find a 30 year old buried
treasure, in which that the owner has died and the casque could have possibly decomposed to nothing and
also being in a spot where it could have easily been dug up by someone else, if you know what I mean.
So If someone has an open mind, some free time, and would be able to easily travel the southern half of
Michigan, pm me and let’s talk.
My book should be coming in the mail soon so that will be a plus.
Thanks,
Mommaegerer

Glossiphoniidae

Than you must make a decision…

out of line, uncalled for and very very tacky

Reported.

maltedfalcon

out of line, uncalled for and very very tacky

Umm… what do you think the implication was when adding that she was a woman? The OP specifically made sex a thing. Sheesh.

The “can’t get permission” thing isn’t an angle– it’s a reality. Not for lack of trying, either. That’s why I asked if anyone knew of an amenable local bureaucrat who had actually issued a permit recently.
If anyone who has a magic bullet cares to share their success story in getting permission to dig, great. I’d appreciate it and act on it immediately. Otherwise it’s a really unfair and baseless assumption that permits are possible to obtain and some of us are just not doing it right.
I’d venture to guess more than one person has solved these puzzles and given up because they simply cannot get a permit. I’m not giving up, but I’m weighing my options really carefully.
PS I’m a woman.

bolddigger

PS I’m a woman.

Than you must make a decision…

Do we have a match?
http://www.dupontcastle.com/castles/parkplaz.htm
Just South of the Public Gardens and Boston Commons.

Trohn,
Thought no one agreed w/me when i posted on the v3 thread, but it could be a match.  I’ve tried to find more images, but can’t find one from the correct perspective.  Maybe someone in Beantown can take a walk around it?

boogieman

Fox and Trohn, you two have been all over this Boston thing.  Recognize anything in image 11?

not sure what you are referring to.  there must be something glaringly obvious that I have missed
Please tell me you have identified the bldg on the box.
FB – how does a square and a triangle = 43?

eye am an dummy
4(sides of square) + 3(sides of triangle) is 43

I believe our artist is playing the same game in Image 1, only the numbers yield a street address, not latitudes or longitudes. It is clear (to me, anyway) that 37/38 and 122/123 nail San Francisco for that one.

I’m so glad
you
asked that question about geometry.  Anyway, sorry to alarm you Fox, I was just remembering the light banter and discussions about boston and I was pretty sure you did much research in that area.  I was just hoping to jog your brain a little.  As far as the box goes, ummm, still looking.

Yeah, not too many photos of it.
May have to get a shot from the public gardens looking out
towards Charles.
I didn’t notice the reference in V-3
I’ll need to re-read that.

If we use Pandora for Boston,
the box would represent the
‘oneth by land’ lantern.
The time does look about midnight here.
Where would the Boston Globe
(newspaper) buidling be in relation
to the Freedom Trail??
Why the perched bird? And the bubbles?

Yes, I have done major research w/ the Boston theory.  The way you asked the question, it almost seemed like you noticed something obvious in the P that hasnt been mentioned.
You find that bldg and you get the big  :ad)

Posted this in General Questions and shoud have posted it here.  Can anyone read it?

MADE IN CHINA

Hello folks, I am new to this type of treasure hunting and new to Quest4Treasure, registered only a couple days ago. I’m not working on any hunt at present. So far I’ve just been lurking in the various forms. The mention in this form of Salt Lake City caught my eye. I’m there right now.
After reading through a bunch of the posts and looking at image 11 for a while I had an idea that I didn’t see discussed. I’m sure it must be a topic in some forum somewhere on this site. So if this is old hat, just right it off as newbie ignorance.
Have you folks ever thought of the circular window as a clock or compass? The lines in the annular space of the frame could represent the hours on a clock or degrees-minutes-seconds on a compass or even degrees of arc in astronomy.
The marks near 1:00, 2:00 & 3:00 O-clock look to be spaced fairly well at first glance. If a line is drawn from the 1:00 mark through the center of the circle it appears to pass through the bright star. And Where do all the other lines go? What to the times mean? A line from 12:00 to 6:00 appears to split the girls face exactly in half. One could try placing a mirror vertically in her center line and look at the normal and reverse image as one.
Being an old Geocacher, I think with a little geometry one could convert the locations of the marks on the circle to compass bearings that might represent various longitude/latitude readings.
One might take all the orbs/spheres in the picture and assume them to be planets in our solar system. Does the clock, or the center of it, represent the position of the sun? Draw lines from the center of each sphere to the center of the clock. The position/location where the lines cross through the circle on the clock could represent planet locations at a specific time. Or maybe those positions on the circle indicate degrees of astronomical arc. Maybe if you know any brilliant astronomers, or maybe NASA’s super-computer, that information could be calculated to the time and location of the planets on a specific date in history that could lead to a historic event that could lead to a specific city or location.
Like I said before, you folks have probably already looked at it from this angle. If not, maybe it will give someone a new idea.

I hope this Boston idea works out.  I was originally using this pic for the St. Louis theory, and I would like to be able to rule out at least one possibility.

FWIW, I checked out many of the “castles” on the
www.dupontcastle.com
site (keeping in mind the other suspected sites), but none of them really fit this pic as well as the armory.

I would also like to see other pictures of that castle but I think it is the “best” match we have so far.  I am a little concerned that the tower does not extend higher than the roofline as in the Box Image.  My wife just looked at it in comparison and gave a definitive uh-uh.
I still think it is the best we have so far…..find more pix of that castle Trohn!!!!!
there is a potential
in it for you.

Trohn

Where would the Boston Globe
(newspaper) buidling be in relation
to the Freedom Trail??

The building is located just north of Boston Commons on Morrissey St.  Doesn’t seem relevent though.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&s … 4&t=h&om=1
(note the B)
http://www.bostonradio.org/photocd/0569/0035-sm.html

As in another image, why is this jewel
floating or being flown?
This would suggest (shrug) that the burial
site is …… not on ground level?
On another observation, that I have not seen
mentioned, the window behind her is not a solid
circle, but continues down and behind her.
To me, without Pandora in the way, it would be
the shape of a key hole.  Links to the opening
of the box – unlocking.

Another shot of the possible castle… Park Plaza Castle
It was onced used as an armory for Boston.
The nearest train station is the line…..arc of green lights somehow???

One other thing to keep in mind regarding this as a possible match….
think of P5 – the Chicago P – illustrated w/in was the Old Water Tower….now of course…the Tower was not a windmill.  Could the Box Castle be a conglomeration of 2 or more bldgs in the area?

The Chicago water tower was a much larger image and easier to
distinguish between parts.
This boxed castle is relatively small and has less detail.
With this said, should we be looking for a box with a castle
on it??
Any large boxed art sculptures?
Ths image that makes me think of this is what sits in front of
FAO in New York…..the other building landmarks were very much
stand alone figures… I do not think the Park Plaza fits with the image…
this is fitting the known to fit the unknown.

Unknown

Unknown:
On another observation, that I have not seen
mentioned, the window behind her is not a solid
circle, but continues down and behind her.

I don’t see what you’re seeking, T. The window looks like a circle to me. The things you are looking at are ribbons or triails hanging off her upper arms, and the blue peeking through is just the same glow that surrounds the globe.

while browsing thru page after page of images of historic Boston….I have seen several occasions of ‘similar’ buildings but no match yet.  Boston does (or did) appear to be very fond of such styled bldgs:
http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGS/medium/tm_02329.jpg
http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGs/medium/tm_02062.jpg
http://www.bpl.org/store/IMGs/medium/tm_02169.jpg

I still think the circle will be a fountain
a la

similar tower design with windows offset…

similar funneled spire on Hotel Warren

Old Grace Church on Temple St??????????????

and yet another approach….
these 2 castles are in France but were built by King St Louis…  notice that they have both the spired round towers as well as the main house w/ the pointed roof…
I am really beginning to hate that darn castle

If you want a stretch, right next to the Houston zoo was an “arabian stallion” ranch, which bought and sold arabian stallians and was available for riding lessons…
wilhouse

I can’t help but feel that many people seem to be neglected an important facet of this hunt, and that is culture. I think Byron Preiss intentionally included the little poem on pages 20 and 21 as a clue that applies to all 12 treasures. It seems likely that the burial sites of all the casques will be in an area strongly associated with the country of the jewel’s origin in the poem.
Image 1 has oft been associated with San Francisco and, in particular, Golden Gate Park. The jewel in this image is the pearl which, according to the poem, comes from “far Cathay” (Asia, basically). San Francisco itself has a strong Asian influence, but interestingly, Golden Gate Park has a Japanese Tea Garden. There are many secluded areas where a casque could have been buried. I think the people in the Image 1 forum are on the right track.
Image 2: the jewel is the diamond. According to the poem the diamond comes from Africa. A lot of people are tossing around the possibility of Sumter being the burial location. I think they’re probably right. While Fort Sumter and the surrounding area don’t exactly have a huge African influence, I can only imagine that the association comes from the fact that South Carolina had a booming slave trade in the past.
Image 3: Garnet, from England (according to poem). Roanoke Island has been tossed around as a likely location. Roanoke Island has a lot of English history (not enough room here to go into detail, but a quick Wiki search will show you just how “English” the island is). In particular, the Elizabethan Gardens are being looked into for casque locations…Very English.
Image 4: Aquamarine. Greek –> Found in Green Cultural Garden.
Image 5: Irish…..still having trouble finding an Irish association with Grant Park.
Image 6: Sapphire. Spain. People are discussing Florida as a likely location. Lots of Spanish influence in Florida. My guess is that the cast is buried in a park with a significant Spanish influence.
Image 7: Turquoise. French. New Orleans likely location. Very French.
Image 8: Ruby from “Araby”. Again, having trouble finding an Arab association other than Houston being very hot…. idk.
Image 9: Opal. The “Lowlands” (basically the Netherlands). Montreal being tossed around. More French influence than Netherlands influence. Maybe we’re looking for a particular park that has some Netherlands influence.
Image 10: Amethyst. Germany. Lots of German influence in Milwaukee. Quick Wiki search confirms that.
Image 11: Peridot. Italy. I really think this one is Boston not Salt Lake City as some people are saying. But I’m not totally sold on the Copley Square connection. I used to be sold on it and even traveled there last summer to check things out. But I can’t find any Italian connections there. However, the North End is well known as being Boston’s Little Italy. It is also the location of Paul Revere’s house and the Old North Church. I really want the casque to be in the North End, and not Copley Square (because, as has been pointed out, the casque is probably destroyed now if it was buried in Copley).
Image 12: Topaz. Russia. Again, I could find many Russian connections in New York, so maybe we’re looking for a particular park that is very Russian.
Just my 2 cents. I really think that culture at the burial locations is critical in this hunt. Otherwise why would Preiss bother with the poem outlining the jewel’s countries of origin?
~Erik

Seriously
You have trouble associating anything Chicagoan with the Irish?
go ahead and poke a stick in the ground anywhere in Chicago, it will bleed green.

Oh, I didn’t realize it was a very irish city. Never been there, don’t know much about it. But there are still those other cities where the cultural connection isn’t immediately obvious. Which makes me think it’s just a particular park that has the cultural connection. Like the Cleveland find. Cleveland isn’t all that Greek, but the Cultural Garden sure was.
~Erik

I think you are probably on track with this.

After reading through most of this Image 11 forum I wasn’t able to find any mention of the bird in the bottom left of the picture (maybe I missed the discussion?). For a while I didn’t know what to make it but then I thought it looked like Horus, the ancient Egyptian bird-god of the sky. Then I thought it was odd that a random Egyptian symbol such as Horus would appear in an image with nothing else relating to Egypt.
At one point I reread Verse 3 (which I think is connected to Image 11) and paused at the part where it said “Feel at home”. This was back when I thought Copley Square was the best location. The fountain in Copley has two obelisks on it. Where better for an Egyptian god to “feel at home” than nestled between two obelisks?
If you position yourself between the obelisks you would be facing the water of the fountain and the stairs to the obelisks would be behind you. The annoying thing about Verse 3, though, is that it doesn’t give an exact place to dig, though there is a little patch of lawn in front of the fountain that you would be looking straight at if you were in the spot I just mentioned.
Either way it probably doesn’t matter. I’m not 100% sold on Copley anymore. I really think the North End is our best bet. I just thought I’d share my previous thoughts on the Horus in the picture and hopefully spark some discussion on this somewhat out-of-place component of Image 11.
~Erik

another stretch.  In the lower right corner of the P is a globe sitting atop a pedestal/post….  The 2 large newspapers in St. Louis are the Globe & the Post.  (yeah, i know….S.L. & 1/2 the other larger cities across the US….just thought I would throw it out.)

Just noticed some discussion on Boston here…
http://ask.metafilter.com/240954/Wont-y … old-puzzle
(…though I can’t be bothered to read it and doubt it contains anything new or useful…)

Sure will.
That seems like a logical solution. A square and a circle that are in close proximity to each other in the image most surely point directly to the very similarly situated Ether and White monuments in the Public Garden. That is, of course, after one applies the even more logical intersecting vectors from a google map.
So simple. I can’t imagine how no one has figured that out yet.

davinci4

Not an expert on GPR, but have some experience with it. With the proper antenna, helpful for ruling out possible dig sites but ‘positive finding’ does not confirm casque/object is necessarily buried in ground either. Knowing the specifics of the GPR antenna is critical in helping to locate an object 3-4 feet underground. I have been told that an 800 MHz antenna can detect objects as small as 2 inches in diameter and penetrate 3-4 feet in depth. Would seem ideal for this hunt assuming worst case scenario and the cask is cracked into pieces.

Is this not the exact issue with GPR? It would show everything that is 2 inches in diameter up to a 3-4 ft depth. People underestimate the amount of rock and other debris that is buried which will be detected.
The way I see it, GPR is a good option if you have a general idea of an area, the cooperation of the location, and time. Think Expedition Unknown in St. Augustine. If you have a fairly precise location, GPR will likely be an unnecessary step.

maltedfalcon

Bingo you need to recreate a casque
bury it and then see what results you get from that….

Not an expert on GPR, but have some experience with it. With the proper antenna, helpful for ruling out possible dig sites but ‘positive finding’ does not confirm casque/object is necessarily buried in ground either. Knowing the specifics of the GPR antenna is critical in helping to locate an object 3-4 feet underground. I have been told that an 800 MHz antenna can detect objects as small as 2 inches in diameter and penetrate 3-4 feet in depth. Would seem ideal for this hunt assuming worst case scenario and the cask is cracked into pieces.

BINGO, try your toy over here:
http://tinyurl.com/y68mwfcq

BINGO

You will need to use a service like imgur, photobucket, Flickr, etc. to upload your photos and post them here.

to be more specific, post the LINKS here. Don’t even bother with BBcode formatting, just paste the URL. The system will make it clickable, and people will click if you describe what they will see.

drunknerds

Hi, gang!
I’m pretty sure I have solved one of the most fiendish puzzles of all time,
however I can’t solve the puzzle of “how to post pictures on the internet.”
I’ve seen that at least a dozen times, and it always gets me.

DN…
It helps to read the other threads and posts.
Like this post from Goldengate that was created a few days ago:
http://quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&start=2265#p142471

elizabethmcfarland

Face the water Your back to the stairs…
Twelfth hour …….walk 12 tiles on the circle to first spoke
Eighteenth day…….walk 18 tiles toward lamplight
Right 9 feet to lamplight, which is 14 feet from cherry tree trunk.
Maybe 4 ft off sidewalk per the 4 in the painting at C7
Still trying to upload photos. Site won’t take them. Anyone can help?

With all due respect, I’ve been to this spot dozens of times (including yesterday) and your tile count is bizarre. There are hundreds of stone/slate “tiles” of random sizes and patterns that make up the walkway around the memorial.
12 “tiles” from the stairs gets you only a few feet away from where you started. Nowhere close to the “spoke” that I believe you are referring to. I’m sorry, but these directions do not make any sense on location.
Can you explain what you mean by “tiles” a little more in depth or possibly upload the photos that you have?
You will need to use a service like imgur, photobucket, Flickr, etc. to upload your photos and post them here.

drunknerds

Hi, gang!
I’m pretty sure I have solved one of the most fiendish puzzles of all time,
however I can’t solve the puzzle of “how to post pictures on the internet.”
I’ve seen that at least a dozen times, and it always gets me.

drunknerds

Hi, gang!
I’m pretty sure I have solved one of the most fiendish puzzles of all time,
however I can’t solve the puzzle of “how to post pictures on the internet.”
I’ve seen that at least a dozen times, and it always gets me.

Draw it on a Post-It note and stick it on your screen. ::runs::

I wish the Cask n Flagon bar was connected. It’s located right behind the Green Monster.
I have spent a minute or two at that location. (Only for research purposes.)

Hi Everyone! I’m new to Q4T, but have had a healthy (debatable) obsession with the Boston puzzle for the past 10 years or so, as I live close by. I was taking a quick look at the verse and something struck me…it may be nothing, but I wanted some feedback. The “feel at home” line has always confused me, but I was so wondering if BP could be referring to the original cheers restaurant “where everybody knows your name.” I know it seems out of left field and away from the presumed casque location, but I wanted to bring it up. Interestingly, there is a Greek consulate next door (not sure when that was built or began in that location).

Running4life

Hi Everyone! I’m new to Q4T, but have had a healthy (debatable) obsession with the Boston puzzle for the past 10 years or so, as I live close by. I was taking a quick look at the verse and something struck me…it may be nothing, but I wanted some feedback. The “feel at home” line has always confused me, but I was so wondering if BP could be referring to the original cheers restaurant “where everybody knows your name.” I know it seems out of left field and away from the presumed casque location, but I wanted to bring it up. Interestingly, there is a Greek consulate next door (not sure when that was built or began in that location).

The first episode of Cheers was in 1982. I doubt that it was a reference in the book.

gManTexas

The first episode of Cheers was in 1982. I doubt that it was a reference in the book.

Def not! I know all things Cheers…haha…I work there once or twice a month…been there for over. It was the bull and finch though, since 69

Here’s an alternative.  It puts you centered on the circle just across from the green light post.
1. stand in the circle, find the spot that points directly at the Leif Eriksson statue
2. step over the wall and take 5 steps towards Leiv, “Levee” = water, (about 15 feet through the dense bushes)
3. dig.

drunknerds

Besides the emerald, was there anything Irish about the Chicago location?

Probably not….
But, in Ireland, lilies of the valley (lower right in the picture) are called fairy ladders.
And, the skullcap looks like something a medieval Irish peasant might wear (in a Month Python, Terry Gilliam sort of way).
“Bring out ch’er dead”
/me bangs two coconuts together and gallops away

Haarstick

I was thinking the same Bingo – if you look at the field house’s tall four pronged tower (that is now gone) with that church’s spire (or whatever that is called) behind it maybe you could get the same effect as in the box? Or maybe the castle part is the only important structure from the painting (like how the Chicago’s tower was the only important structure in that painting – all those other didn’t mean anything). But maybe if you stand over by where the bleachers used to be, that angle works? Wish the tower was still there! Either way, it could be an interesting area to explore.
I’m kind of loving the idea that the glow from the box is to symbolize where the treasure is. Maybe you dig at that exact angle spot?

Regarding the field house there I just found this..it was originally Joseph Lee Playground…pay attention to the second to last sentence, could be immigrant connection
Joseph Lee (1862 – 1937) was a wealthy Bostonian, who trained as a lawyer but never practiced law, and is considered the “founder of the playground movement.” He was the son of Henry Lee, a Boston banker, and Elizabeth Perkins Cabot Lee of Brookline, Massachusetts.
He was a social worker, author, and philanthropist. Lee believed that community life could be strengthened by playgrounds and play.
In 1897, Lee married Margaret Cabot. They had four children. Margaret Cabot Lee died in 1920 and Lee remarried his secretary, Marion Snow, in 1930. Lee’s daughter, Susan Lee, was active in her father’s work and later served as vice-president of the National Recreation and Park Association. His son, Joseph Lee Jr. helped establish the Massachusetts Committee to Further Outdoor Recreation and the Boston Board of Recreation and served as chairman of the Boston Park Commission and Boston School Committee.
Lee founded the Massachusetts Civic League and served as its President from 1897-1937.
He was an active officer in the Immigration Restriction League from 1905 until his death in 1937.
He served as president of the National Recreation Association from 1910 until the time of his death.

drunknerds

Besides the emerald, was there anything Irish about the Chicago location?

Very true, I’ll give you that. I’m just pissy because Boston just seems so much more difficult. Chicago’s tower, two statues, fence, and state outline are luxuries that we just don’t have here. Not to mention a verse with some reasonable directions. I’m just wishing for something that is so good that it is beyond questioning and debate.
One would think an Italian connection would be the easiest to find.

BINGO

Very true, I’ll give you that. I’m just pissy because Boston just seems so much more difficult. Chicago’s tower, two statues, fence, and state outline are luxuries that we just don’t have here. Not to mention a verse with some reasonable directions. I’m just wishing for something that is so good that it is beyond questioning and debate.
One would think an Italian connection would be the easiest to find.

The only Italian connection i can find so far are the artists of the wwi mem

Haarstick

I was thinking the same Bingo – if you look at the field house’s tall four pronged tower (that is now gone) with that church’s spire (or whatever that is called) behind it maybe you could get the same effect as in the box? Or maybe the castle part is the only important structure from the painting (like how the Chicago’s tower was the only important structure in that painting – all those other didn’t mean anything). But maybe if you stand over by where the bleachers used to be, that angle works? Wish the tower was still there! Either way, it could be an interesting area to explore.
I’m kind of loving the idea that the glow from the box is to symbolize where the treasure is. Maybe you dig at that exact angle spot?

i think you’re right w the walking down boylston…makes total sense, and it is the only sense i can make of the t and x. maybe it is at a 45/50 deg angle like that for a digging reason then..nice one!

I’ve recently started focusing on the field house at Roberto Clemente Field. The structure used to have a tower that had four points on it that are incredibly similar to the castle like image in the box. Look towards the end of this doc that I posted a while ago – there is a picture of the field house before it was renovated:
https://www.cityofboston.gov/images_doc … -20783.pdf
The south side bleachers were removed after Preiss would have been there so maybe those are the stairs? Face the water – back to the stairs? Any chance those lights used to be green????
Oh Bingo – I checked out Soldier’s Home (just online – I’m an hour and a half drive from Boston) and it looks like a nursing home for vets. Not much to the building – very plain and concrete looking.

Haarstick

I’ve recently started focusing on the field house at Roberto Clemente Field. The structure used to have a tower that had four points on it that are incredibly similar to the castle like image in the box. Look towards the end of this doc that I posted a while ago – there is a picture of the field house before it was renovated:
https://www.cityofboston.gov/images_doc … -20783.pdf
The south side bleachers were removed after Preiss would have been there so maybe those are the stairs? Face the water – back to the stairs? Any chance those lights used to be green????
Oh Bingo – I checked out Soldier’s Home (just online – I’m an hour and a half drive from Boston) and it looks like a nursing home for vets. Not much to the building – very plain and concrete looking.

I love this idea because I feel like we have some good visual markers to the wwii mem:
1) the sword/feathery thing she is holding, resembles the shape of the thing at the top of the circle in the image.
2) the design on the wings resembles the design to the right of the gladiolus flower in the image, the gladiolus flower also has the meaning of “sword”
3) the way the wings span on the woman in the wwii mem resemble the shape of woman in image 11 hair
4) the side of her right sleeve on the wwii mem has the same kind of design as the side of the right sleeve of the woman in image 11
5) we have stairs, water, and also little benches that sort of look like the table things in the image.
6) The artists: John Francis Paramino and Tito Cascieri, Italian, we do need Italian connection to this
Here are some pics, I feel like I posted these before but perhaps in a jumbled way.
https://imgur.com/a/9pTd5
versing for the wwii….
Near those who pass: the wwii mem is for those who died in the war…”those who pass”
the coliseum with metal walls: the wwii mem is shaped like a coliseum and the walls/names are on bronze plaques….metal walls.
Lit by lamplight: there is an eternal light at the top of the wwii mem
i like the idea of the clemente field area. and it is right near the wwii mem, so it could be perfect. and the field house looking castle like, it does match. roberto clemente was born the 18th day of august…august, also which is the month for our image. that could bring us closer down that way.
I guess this is still a jumbled post. whatever

strike13

I love this idea because I feel like we have some good visual markers to the wwii mem:
1) the sword/feathery thing she is holding, resembles the shape of the thing at the top of the circle in the image.
2) the design on the wings resembles the design to the right of the gladiolus flower in the image, the gladiolus flower also has the meaning of “sword”
3) the way the wings span on the woman in the wwii mem resemble the shape of woman in image 11 hair
4) the side of her right sleeve on the wwii mem has the same kind of design as the side of the right sleeve of the woman in image 11
5) we have stairs, water, and also little benches that sort of look like the table things in the image.
6) The artists: John Francis Paramino and Tito Cascieri, Italian, we do need Italian connection to this
Here are some pics, I feel like I posted these before but perhaps in a jumbled way.
https://imgur.com/a/9pTd5
versing for the wwii….
Near those who pass: the wwii mem is for those who died in the war…”those who pass”
the coliseum with metal walls: the wwii mem is shaped like a coliseum and the walls/names are on bronze plaques….metal walls.
Lit by lamplight: there is an eternal light at the top of the wwii mem
i like the idea of the clemente field area. and it is right near the wwii mem, so it could be perfect. and the field house looking castle like, it does match. roberto clemente was born the 18th day of august…august, also which is the month for our image. that could bring us closer down that way.
I guess this is still a jumbled post. whatever

I like this.
Also in the Field Guide, this is mentioned on page 139:
Resembling as they do the traditional “Winged Victories”

Like with Chicago, could Preiss have sent us down a path of visual clues? Wasn’t there first the Chicago Water Tower then follow one street south (following one main street was proposed in a podcast – note they had to walk almost 4 miles I think) then you see the man and beast statue (also tied to M and B set in stone) then the round symbol on the Symphony Building then the fairy on a fountain and then the verse kind of took over and even then you had to follow different clues – first to Lincoln then the trees then the fence and fixture. But the clues were out of sequence.
So following that same logic: Maybe we start at the library (X and T) – take Boylston all the way to the intersection of Boylston and Park (near those who pass the coliseum with metal walls) – all the letters are here to see (the lettered paths at Victory Gardens confirms you’re on the right path) – you then see the WWII Memorial that has a good amount of visual clues) – pass the Kelleher Rose Garden which has a similar shape to the painting – feel at home (you reach the baseball field) – you see the field house which is in the painting (the tower that came down is incredibly similar) – a green tower of lights (maybe the field lights were green?) – in the middle section (maybe the middle space between the two baseball fields?) – face the water – back to the stairs (go behind the bleachers that were once there on the water side) – Take 5 steps in the area of his direction (maybe North??) – 18th day?? 12th hour?? Were those used to reference Revere to get us to Boston? Maybe once you’re on that spot something clicks? Could the flat white images in the painting be the bleacher seats?
Another interesting note: maybe the glow from the box means that the casque is near a visual clue on the box. The castle like image looks so much like the tower that was removed. Maybe the glow means “dig near here”?
It seems like he wanted us to wander around the Fens and take in everything there was to see like his daughters suggested on the show. Each area of the Fens seems to have clues in the painting. Maybe the field house is the final spot?

Haarstick

Like with Chicago, could Preiss have sent us down a path of visual clues? Wasn’t there first the Chicago Water Tower then follow one street south (following one main street was proposed in a podcast – note they had to walk almost 4 miles I think) then you see the man and beast statue (also tied to M and B set in stone) then the round symbol on the Symphony Building then the fairy on a fountain and then the verse kind of took over and even then you had to follow different clues – first to Lincoln then the trees then the fence and fixture. But the clues were out of sequence.
So following that same logic: Maybe we start at the library (X and T) – take Boylston all the way to the intersection of Boylston and Park (near those who pass the coliseum with metal walls) – all the letters are here to see (the lettered paths at Victory Gardens confirms you’re on the right path) – you then see the WWII Memorial that has a good amount of visual clues) – pass the Kelleher Rose Garden which has a similar shape to the painting – feel at home (you reach the baseball field) – you see the field house which is in the painting (the tower that came down is incredibly similar) – a green tower of lights (maybe the field lights were green?) – in the middle section (maybe the middle space between the two baseball fields?) – face the water – back to the stairs (go behind the bleachers that were once there on the water side) – Take 5 steps in the area of his direction (maybe North??) – 18th day?? 12th hour?? Were those used to reference Revere to get us to Boston? Maybe once you’re on that spot something clicks? Could the flat white images in the painting be the bleacher seats?
Another interesting note: maybe the glow from the box means that the casque is near a visual clue on the box. The castle like image looks so much like the tower that was removed. Maybe the glow means “dig near here”?
It seems like he wanted us to wander around the Fens and take in everything there was to see like his daughters suggested on the show. Each area of the Fens seems to have clues in the painting. Maybe the field house is the final spot?

Yes, sounds good. Now go find it already!

For that area of the Fens, the Clemente field is an attractive spot to bury the casque. The tree line that is closest to the first base line is very secluded compared to the open areas of the rose garden, war memorial, basketball courts, running track, etc. Walkways surround everything else in the area.
There is an Orthodox Church across the street from the old field house location. I had wondered if the domes on the church used to be visible above the top of the old field house walls. Making an illusion of sorts (a castle with domed towers) when looking at the two buildings.
It sucks that the old building has been altered (portions removed) so much since back then. If that is/was the location, hopefully enough clues remain to figure it out.
The big downfall in my opinion is the lack of an Italian theme. Roberto Clemente might sound like an Italian name, but I doubt that Preiss would make that mistake.
If anyone needs pictures or has a request for something specific in that area, I’m there almost every day. I’d be happy to help in any way.

I was thinking the same Bingo – if you look at the field house’s tall four pronged tower (that is now gone) with that church’s spire (or whatever that is called) behind it maybe you could get the same effect as in the box? Or maybe the castle part is the only important structure from the painting (like how the Chicago’s tower was the only important structure in that painting – all those other didn’t mean anything). But maybe if you stand over by where the bleachers used to be, that angle works? Wish the tower was still there! Either way, it could be an interesting area to explore.
I’m kind of loving the idea that the glow from the box is to symbolize where the treasure is. Maybe you dig at that exact angle spot?

BINGO

For that area of the Fens, the Clemente field is an attractive spot to bury the casque. The tree line that is closest to the first base line is very secluded compared to the open areas of the rose garden, war memorial, basketball courts, running track, etc. Walkways surround everything else in the area.
There is an Orthodox Church across the street from the old field house location. I had wondered if the domes on the church used to be visible above the top of the old field house walls. Making an illusion of sorts (a castle with domed towers) when looking at the two buildings.
It sucks that the old building has been altered (portions removed) so much since back then. If that is/was the location, hopefully enough clues remain to figure it out.
The big downfall in my opinion is the lack of an Italian theme. Roberto Clemente might sound like an Italian name, but I doubt that Preiss would make that mistake.
If anyone needs pictures or has a request for something specific in that area, I’m there almost every day. I’d be happy to help in any way.

Besides the emerald, was there anything Irish about the Chicago location?

rookhunter

Here’s a simple question:
Is there a difference in stairs and steps?

Steps can be stairs or 1/2 paces, stairs are a series of level places going up or down an inclined plane.

Yep, and I would think several others could too. The version on the wiki page is pretty good. The version in my reproduced book is way too muddy to see any details.
I’ve also noticed how some people have interpreted the dark square on the opposite side of her to be the number “2” but it’s not…it’s a Capital “Z”.

MrBackstop

Yep, and I would think several others could too. The version on the wiki page is pretty good. The version in my reproduced book is way too muddy to see any details.
I’ve also noticed how some people have interpreted the dark square on the opposite side of her to be the number “2” but it’s not…it’s a Capital “Z”.

I always thought that it was a 7. I can’t really see the bottom well enough to see a full Z, but it certainly could be.

I can just see the image pretty clearly on my computer.
Now truth be known, I am an illustrator, graphic designer, and color pencil portrait artist. As I look at the layering technique that JPP used in his artwork I can see all kinds of hidden images in is works. I have done this type of things in my artwork before in order to give my client an extra surprise when they look at the details. Kind of a nice touch I like to add.
Other representations of Image 11 might not be too clear and very difficult to discern. I have an ability to separate the different hues and color saturations from years of experience. I know that doesn’t help you much if you can’t “see” the lines coming thru but they are there in my computer.

MrBackstop

I am an illustrator, graphic designer, and color pencil portrait artist.

Good then you know that every time a illustration is reproduced, it looses definition.
So original. —————————————-0
Photographed for the layup ——————– 1
Layup Retouched.——————————
Photographed for the plate ———————2
Plate produced ———————————– 3
Printing ——————————————– 4
Scanning for your computer (raw) ————- 5
conversion to the .jpg you are looking at —–6
So you are telling us you see hidden images in the pictures, that only a trained eye can spot in the 6 + generation from the original painting… OK then

MrBackstop

Here’s a couple more observations concerning the Back Bay Fens.
The box is opened to form another purposeful triangle. It points toward the image of a Home Plate on Erin’s right sleeve. Many people believe this is representing Home Plate at Fenway park. I see this as it pointing at the John Boyle O’Reilly Monument. If you notice the cement backing separating JBO from Erin and her sons, it is 5 sided too. And although not a perfect home plate, it is what I believe the triangle to be pointing out.
Looking at the vines on Erin’s dress you will notice a small cursive “f” in the middle right side which indicates Fenway (the road) that runs around the East Side of the Back Bay Fens.
On the bottom of her dress in the 3rd square you can see where the vines have created the initials J-B-O
And if you look to the left of the bottom blue globe onto the various codes on the copper hanging material you can see a very dark square with an image in it. That image is of the Boylston Street Bridge. There is a tree in the foreground on the left a tree behind the bridge and a tree in the foreground on the right. Check it out.
Many more reasons I’m in the Fens.

In examining her dress more, this does appear to be a bridge..
https://imgur.com/a/pCPWw
What do you think backstop

rihel! you have doubts about boston?

I only have doubts because no images have ever been linked to Boston in a very strong way.  I can find something that looks like a T in every city, and I could certainly find a castle or a hawk/falcon/bird of prey in any city as well.  A globe– almost any city.  A green tower and something we think is a coliseum can go with almost anything as well.
However, Boston is still the leading candidate for me.  I am curious about the edge of her hair looking a lot like the edge of the wharves in the North End of Boston.  It isn’t exact by any means, but it is pretty close, even that, if this makes sense, three-pronged bit of hair seems to line up with a 3-pronged wharf.  I would LOVE to see old aerial photographs of the North End to see if maybe it hasn’t changed over the last 25 years and would be even more striking back then.
But I am also worried about that 112 thing.  It also jumps right out and would seem to point somewhere else– and let’s face it, the idea that 71 is in that triangle shape is a stretch.

Apologies for posting this under Image 2 at first. I have moved it and deleted that one.
Though I agree that the Cleveland image was pretty cut and dried with the image of Ohio, the sillhouette of the Terminal Tower and the columns, fountain and wall for the Cultural Gardens, I think that may be the ONLY image where there is such unambiguous matching.  Surely no one can doubt the Houston solve–Preiss confirmed the location1–but there is not ONE SINGLE image in that picture that even remotely says Texas let alone Houston.  So I think you’re waaaay off base by suggesting that Image 11 does not match with Boston or that you need to find more solid confirmations. I feel it’s utter nonsense to imagine first that there is some formula that will apply to all the images/verses, and that one will need something more than what is already uncovered in this pairing.
Take it as you wish—but we’re going to have a major disagreement on this.
The patterns in the plaza blocks on Copley Square are the same as on the woman’s collar.
The falcon is black in the painting–and so what if you can find falcons or hawks in other cities ? There are lots of things that appear in other cities–globes, subways, parks…this is not a relevant point. The fact that Boston has a Black Falcon Avenue ought to be a confirmation that you’re in the correct city. Not just falcon–BLACK falcon.
The perch is a T. Yes, other cities have a subway called The T–Pittsburgh is one–but Boston’s subway is known as the T. No one ever suggested this was an image of Pittsburgh.
The box castle looks like both Trinity Church AND the Park Plaza Hotel.
The globe is just that–a Globe. Like the Newspaper.
42 and 112 are not the ONLY numbers in this image. There is also 71, 33, 122, and others. 42 & 71 are the coordinates for Boston.
You are correct that the Letter streets and the Black Falcon are in South Boston. My error.
Thucydides and Xenophon’s names appear on the library frieze. They also refer to Boston in a quote from Horace Walpole–and since Boston is indeed north of New York, it seems that the quote pretty much pinpoints the city and the verse match.
The ends of the woman’s hair do indeed look like an aerial view of the wharf area.
The falcon’s claw looks like the aerial view of the vicinity of Fort Indepence and yes, “Castle” island.
The crack in the wall to the right of the woman looks like and aerial view of the Charles River.
The verse phrase “with metal walls” could easily refer to Old Ironsides.
Harvard’s stadium looks like The Coliseum.
These things, and others, aren’t vague–they aren’t simply calling a dome a “tower,” or Xenophon and Thucydides “Greeks.” They are more specific by a very good margin. The sheer weight of the evidence is, to me, overwhelmingly pointing at Boston. I have not seen any solution to this image or verse that fits any other location better or is more specific.  Do they point to  location we can dig in? Not to one I agree with–but if I lived closer, I’d be scouring the area in the South side for more clues and matches–and not dismiss the evidence as “vague.”
So disagree if you wish–you certainly have that privilege–but I can’t begin to imagine why you would.
1He has also confirmed that there is at least one casque in Canada and definitely one in St. Louis. I think it’s folly to ignore these things as some have.

Do not think of my concerns about Boston to mean that I think these new solutions are rock solid (they are often even more vague).  Let me address several of you points.
1) I haven’t seen an image that matches those patterns.  A bunch of dark and light squares isn’t enough to get me excited.  If you show me the triangle and square symbols lined up in the same general area, then you have my attention
2) I can get on board the Black Falcon idea.  However, there are several Black Falcons in major cities, and WOW, one of them is St. Louis, a city that is supposedly confirmed
3) The perch is a T…. well, the window is a circle, the globes are spheres, and there are squares and triangles in there, too.  This is too generic, unless the T sign looks like the perch… hmm, maybe it does?
4) The castles don’t match up, unless there are better pixs than what i have seen.  Not even as a composite.
5) There is a Globe building in — WOW– St. Louis.  (I use this as an example only because St. Louis is supposedly confirmed.  If I can find both a Black Falcon and a Globe Building in St. Louis with a 30 second search, what other confirms can I get with vague data like this?)
6) The lettered streets only go up to D.
7) Th. and Xenophon on the library are interesting.  But, guess what?  There is a Xenophon buried in ST LOUIS!  Again, using vague clues, I hit a big city, and it took 30 seconds.
the wharf is striking to me, but not perfect. I grant that.  I would love to see older pictures to see how much it has changed.
9) The claw is backwards, not a deal breaker, but I can probably find a ton of images that are claw shaped, probably even in St. Louis.
10) I have to look at that crack again.
11) Harvard Stadium does look like a Coliseum.  But, Coliseum can mean lots of other stuff, too.  I personally like Boston Garden, which vaguely looked like a Coliseum, too.
And, I do live here, and I will be scouring the South Side and the North End based on these clues.  It will be a good excuse for me and my wife to explore the city some more.  But I am not going to be convinced until I snap a photo of that silver pattern, or see those symbols all lined up or see a fountain with the sidewalk shaped around the window.

rihel

Do not think of my concerns about Boston to mean that I think these new solutions are rock solid (they are often even more vague).   Let me address several of you points.
1) I haven’t seen an image that matches those patterns.  A bunch of dark and light squares isn’t enough to get me excited.  If you show me the triangle and square symbols lined up in the same general area, then you have my attention

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2) I can get on board the Black Falcon idea.  However, there are several Black Falcons in major cities, and WOW, one of them is St. Louis, a city that is supposedly confirmed

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3) The perch is a T…. well, the window is a circle, the globes are spheres, and there are squares and triangles in there, too.  This is too generic, unless the T sign looks like the perch… hmm, maybe it does?

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4) The castles don’t match up, unless there are better pixs than what i have seen.  Not even as a composite.

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5) There is a Globe building in — WOW– St. Louis.  (I use this as an example only because St. Louis is supposedly confirmed.  If I can find both a Black Falcon and a Globe Building in St. Louis with a 30 second search, what other confirms can I get with vague data like this?)

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6) The lettered streets only go up to D.

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7) Th. and Xenophon on the library are interesting.  But, guess what?  There is a Xenophon buried in ST LOUIS!  Again, using vague clues, I hit a big city, and it took 30 seconds.

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8) the wharf is striking to me, but not perfect. I grant that.  I would love to see older pictures to see how much it has changed.

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9) The claw is backwards, not a deal breaker, but I can probably find a ton of images that are claw shaped, probably even in St. Louis.

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10) I have to look at that crack again.

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11) Harvard Stadium does look like a Coliseum.  But, Coliseum can mean lots of other stuff, too.  I personally like Boston Garden, which vaguely looked like a Coliseum, too.

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And, I do live here, and I will be scouring the South Side and the North End based on these clues.  It will be a good excuse for me and my wife to explore the city some more.  But I am not going to be convinced until I snap a photo of that silver pattern, or see those symbols all lined up or see a fountain with the sidewalk shaped around the window.

Look at the plaza in front of Trinity Church and look at the patterns on her collar:
A black falcon WHAT in St. Louis? Is it a street? A buildling? What is it?
I agree it’s generic, but it’s also specific. Look at the picture of Trinity again. Note the circular window at the top. The checkerboard pattern on the buildling itself (like the checkerboard on her robe, like the stand the globe is on)
You won’t get an argument from me here about this castle…but it’s not that it’s a perfect match, it’s a CASTLE. And there is a CASTLE ISLAND, and the Park Plaza hotel is called THE CASTLE, and the Harvard Lampoon staff is quartered in a building called THE CASTLE, and a building at Boston University is called THE CASTLE and there are castle turrets like the ones on the box on both Trinity church AND the hotel.
But there is not a BOSTON GLOBE newspaper in St. Louis is there?
Wrong.
See below.
You mean Xenophon Wilfey? Yes, that’s true—is there a Thucydides there also? Or just the one Xenophon? And who IS Xenophon Wilfey anyway–and why would he be more important than a literary reference from Horace Walpole? (And is he north of a Thucydides? And does that mean we take five steps in the area of St. Louis?) I’m sorry–this is almost funny.
I’m sure there are lots of Mitchells buried in cities other than Milwaukee–or lots of Socrates’s buried in cities other than Cleveland. As an argument, this doesn’t have a lot of merit, and as a logical refutation, it contains none at all.
In 30 years? Probably not very much. It’s not that there is any exact match with the hair–it’s just that both resemble each other. They are both squared-off at the ends, and of varying thickness over any length. Why would that matter? You can’t bury something on a wharf.
I have looked at numerous maps of St. Louis–and I don’t recall seeing anything that matches as well.
you’ll need to rotate it slightly.
True. As does the courtyard at the Boston Public Library. But HArvard stadium REALLY looks like the coliseum, and the Boston MArathon runners go right past it. (those who pass…)
We found a monument, but not a fountain. Any reason it has to be a fountain? Because the verse just says “face the water, your back to the stairs…” not that the water must be fountain water. Boston is a seaport, after all. And the “stairs” could be the famous “Golden Stairs” that immigrants used to climb from the wharf to the city when they first arrived in their new home. (feel at home?)
I hope you do scour the city. I would love to see some better pictures of Copley’s plaza, of the Black Falcon wharf area, of the Coliseum and the Marathon route…and the Old South Church at night–I understand it has a green tower, and it’s lit up with a green glow at night.
And if I get to St. Louis this year, like I have planned, I’ll do the same.

Good!  Now we are getting somewhere.
Well, I messed up about the letters in Southie, that’s for sure.  And some of those marks on Copley look familar to those in the picture, but it is kind of hard to tell from the photo.  And yes, it could be a monument or a fountain or a big hole, or whatnot.  What really strikes me about the circular window is the asymmetry of the design around it.  That strikes me as important in any convincing site, but maybe not.  And I might add that the wharf in Boston could indeed have changed a lot in the past 30 years, given that they have practically dug apart all of this city already in the Big Dig, for which Ground Zero was right in that region.  Chris Columbus Park is right on the waterway, for example, and it was rehauled in recent time and that could have led to the breakup of old wharf sections.  They moved a lot of stuff around; it was pretty ugly.
My point about St. Louis is that in 30 seconds, I can find things to make me believe (not really, of course) that the image represents St. Louis.  There is a Black Falcon Circle in St. Louis, there is a building called the Globe Building, there is a guy named Xenophon buried in some graveyard in St. Louis, and I guess there might be a Thucycides there, as well, or maybe in some other part of St. Louis, if I searched hard enough.  Maybe a reference to his book, or maybe a reference to a Greek historian, etc.  That was what I found in 30 seconds.  People on this forum have been spending years looking over images and clues.  And there is a bit of groupthink that goes along with that.  Once an idea reaches a certain amount of momentum, everywhere you look, you start to see confirmers of pet ideas, and everyone joins in, adding additional confirmation upon confirmation.  The result is that a n00b like me walks in for the first time, and I have to stratch my head at some of the things that are called solid clues.  Imagine if I started with the idea that St. Louis was the place for image 11.  I might start to go, hey, here is a pattern of stuff that links this picture and that verse to St. Louis.  If I head in that direction long enough, with enough people jumping on board, I will get more and more confirmers.  And it will be a lot harder for me to break out of that line of thinking once I and others started down that path.
This is especially true when wishful thinking is added.  I would LOVE for the casque to be in Boston, so I can directly search for it on weekends.  So groupthink + confirmation bias + wishful thinking is a dangerous brew for getting at the real answer.  So if I question a lot of stuff, sorry, but I have to keep all of those dangers in mind when thinking about this problem.

Shecrab,
By the way,  another thing that strikes me as odd is that the verse seems to be one of the vaguest in terms of pointing to a specific spot.  I haven’t seen much speculation on what 18th day, 12th hour could mean other than the Longfellow poem, which sounds good to me.  What I mean is, it seems like it could also be a clue for finding the right place to dig once you are in the spot, but I just don’t have any good ideas.

Backstop, your spot is en fuego!
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/Fi … 79761.html

strike13

Backstop, your spot is en fuego!
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/Fi … 79761.html

Wow, that’s incredible….I’m interested to see what that area ends up looking like after that. Thanks for sharing that Strike.

while interesting, i think it’s a bit expansive. the other solves give clues within blocks of each other. jamaica pond is 3 to 4 miles from BPL.

Glossiphoniidae

while interesting, i think it’s a bit expansive. the other solves give clues within blocks of each other. jamaica pond is 3 to 4 miles from BPL.

I think it’s more along the lines of the Cleveland solution.  Note the box that is being opened like it’s a little house with the roof being lifted off.  Philoxenia is the practice of opening your home to strangers.  I’m going to put aside the 2C theory for awhile and look into this idea for a bit.

erexere

I think it’s more along the lines of the Cleveland solution.  Note the box that is being opened like it’s a little house with the roof being lifted off.  Philoxenia is the practice of opening your home to strangers.  I’m going to put aside the 2C theory for awhile and look into this idea for a bit.

excellent. while you are doing so, see if you can fit the chestnut hill reservoir in… that shape has always stumped me. i long thought it was near this…

Chestnut Hill Reservoir shape?  Why is that of interest?

erexere

Chestnut Hill Reservoir shape?  Why is that of interest?

the lady’s neck  and the castle box below it (2450 Beacon Street)…

even better… with the columns at the bottom…
and the adjoining baseball park has been there for like 100 years. you can feel at home, face the water, and have your back to stairs.

Glossiphoniidae

even better… with the columns at the bottom…
and the adjoining baseball park has been there for like 100 years. you can feel at home, face the water, and have your back to stairs.

6/10 on the legeater scale.

i’ve found that considering lots of wild theories at once is great fun. i certainly learn a lot!
but considering the most likely theory most of the time, and sharing that information, is most useful.

Definitely a 6/10. Nice match.
Don’t forget “Beacon” Street is “Lit by lamplight”… sort of.

Glossiphoniidae

the lady’s neck and the castle box below it (2450 Beacon Street).

…yeah, I used to dawdle there. It’s a restful spot. I hadn’t noticed the castle match.
http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/h … 37#p113437

I’m troubled by it’s rotation when compared with a North facing map.  I noticed the map to the Emerald Necklace Conservatory presents itself at 90 degrees rotated and I find the neckline looks something like a section of road to either side of Perkins St. next to Jamaica Pond.

it’s also 5 miles back on the marathon route, on mile marker 21. i explored it probably a year back… it proved fruitless. have at it.

I don’t think anyone disagrees that this is probably the
closest
match, Fox, but so far, it’s the ONLY thing that matches any of the imagery in the P, except metaphorically. I mean, yes, there’s a “Boston Globe” and a “Black Falcon Avenue and Wharf,” but what else have we been able to find? Not much. I have gone over and over and over this image looking in every conceivable corner of Boston (via the ‘net) for anything that suggests stuff, but all I can get is connections that don’t narrow the location at all.  There is a Castle Island–and the bird’s claw looks like the aerial view around it, and the crack in the wall sort of resembles the Charles River branches, (rotated slightly) and we’ve got a sidelong reference to Paul Revere’s ride, and the girl’s edging on her dress is like the blocks where Copley plaza is, etc. etc.
I’d love for this to be in Boston, and I’d love to find out where. But…as time goes on, we’re exhausting all our best image/verse matches and image/location matches. I was really disappointed to find out that the Copley Square courtyard inlays were not done until the 90’s. To me, that was a huge confirmer. The castle not so much–there were a couple of good ones for that. And the rest? It’s just speculative.
Xenophon and Thucydides are also good confirmations, but there are mentions of them in other places also, and that doggoned ambiguous verse is no help at all!
And though it’s true that Chicago’s water tower was never a windmill, the depiction of the fence and the tower (without vanes) is exact. Ditto for Cleveland’s wall, columns, Terminal Tower, etc. And since it IS exact, I have to believe that there is soemthing in P.11 that is also. But what?  That’s the $64K question–and it’s not answered by the Park Plaza.
I’m just at a loss here. Perhaps that castle is being given way too much credence. But if we
don’t
give it any, then what DO we use to match up with a location marker?

True, Cleveland’s wall, columns & lion fountain were EXACT but…if Sir Egg found himself in the Greek Cultural Gardens looking for THAT spot, he would have never found it.  The fountain was not on the wall and the wall was not enclosed with the columns.  These 3 things were in different parts of the park but were “put together” in the P.  The wall was exact…period, The fountain was exact…period, The columns were exact…period, as are (in my humble opion) the Tower with offset windows, the castle wall, etc.  Why not use an exact likeness of Park Plaza Castle…only BP knows.  I think this may be BP’s Boston building (ie..Chicago Water Tower + attachments, Cleveland’s Terminal Tower & the very hazy but exact Milwaukee building) confirming the city alone.  Remember, neither the Chicago casque nor the Cleveland casque were anywhere near these buildings.  Maybe…and I am holding my breath
… once we find the correct park/location in Boston, we will find exact likenesses of other images in this P…ie, bird statues, orbs, etc.
Given the huge clue of X & T coupled with the end of the V that can pretty much only be speaking of Revere’s last ride, I don’t see how Boston could NOT be a casque location.

Well, that’s what I thought too….but nothing has yet panned out.
That’s the problem.

That sure is a problem.
I am going to go back and revisit an idea I posted long ago about Pandora’s Box.  When Pandora foolishly opened the box, all the evils escaped before she could close it.  All that was left in the box was Hope which she later released.  Time to start looking for Hope streets, parks, ect…again.

Hey Fox, have you read this post about the Boston Jubilee?  You must schroll down to read the first part of the article, which was wriiten in 1872.  I’ve even discarded this idea some time ago but maybe someone else can find something in it.
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … ref=slogin

Here is a pic of Liz Taylor. If you research her, Disneyland land was her favourite place to go. It says Liz right next to the picture
http://www.arogundade.com/elizabeth-tay … -eyes.html
. Take good look please before judging

The star in the middle of the circle is the middle piece of the Farris wheel. The fairy is tinker bell.

treetopshot

the shadow around the neck is the roller coaster at California adventures.

?????
The park opened on February 8, 2001 as Disney’s California Adventure Park or Disney’s California Adventure

Cristov9000

ONC is across the street and there is a particular planter that is mostly dirt where you can have you back to the stairs, facing water, the statue of paul revere on horseback is is sight and the planter is lit by gas lamp. I can’t confirm what it looked like in the 80’s though.

yeah i dont really like the ONC courtyard for this. but it is one of the places i would able to dig without a question or permit, as i am close w the caretaker

Choice

Cristov mentioned steps at ONC. But if we’re looking for random 5 steps this is a nice one:
https://tinyurl.com/y5n85rjq

Whenever I do any hunting in Boston I look to see if there are 5 steps. So far they are pretty rare, we should put some effort into collecting a list of them maybe? In Cleveland, there were 7 “steps” was right at the dig site.
Also the verse references both steps and stairs, and there aren’t as many places with both (a short set of 5 steps, and a separate stairs) if they are different things. Edit: or they could be referring to 5 steps in a single stair case, which seems equally likely

From looking at this – there is a lot of over thinking. He wanted it solved at some point. To me the location is Disneyland. The circle is Mickey mouses head and the shadow around the neck is the roller coaster at California adventures. The woman is Liz Taylor. The globes is from tomorrow land. And the other globoare standard light fixtures. The only thing missing is which verse matches with it?

treetopshot

From looking at this – there is a lot of over thinking. He wanted it solved at some point. To me the location is Disneyland. The circle is Mickey mouses head and the shadow around the neck is the roller coaster at California adventures. The woman is Liz Taylor. The globes is from tomorrow land. And the other globoare standard light fixtures. The only thing missing is which verse matches with it?

Josh?

Liz Taylor? Oh hell no! The girl in the image has dark complexion. How about the Bostonian Donna Summer?

WhiteRabbit

Dates from May 29th, 1986…
http://www.massport.com/news-room/News/ … oston.aspx
The falcon remains a mystery. Though as four21thrasher points out, not everything is necessarily relevant.

You are on point with the dates… but the ship that docked there was very famous and gave its name to the terminal. the road had long been named black falcon, before the terminal.

librarian

…black falcon terminal was not around yet when the book was published…

Dates from May 29th, 1986…
http://www.massport.com/news-room/News/ … oston.aspx
The falcon remains a mystery. Though as four21thrasher points out, not everything is necessarily relevant.

The gem is definitely a Peridot.  For those without the book, here is a peridot which the book looks like:
http://www.egemstones.com/peridot.gif
Everytime I see that darn bird I think of the statue in the movie “The Maltese Falcon” with Bogart but it really isnt similar.  The bird in the P could almost be any kind of preditory bird.  Here is a pic of a Perigrin Falcon.  http://members.lycos.co.uk/bejay1938/thumbs/Profile-perigrin1.jpg    The small rounded head, short hooked beak and even the coloration are quite similar.  Whether our P bird is a Perigrin or not is anybodies guess.  Now, why in the world would a bird have 1 foot raised in the air like that?  Also, is it just me or does anybody else think the “cheek” area of the mountain in P6 looks alot like our bird?  I’ve seen a few other shapes/symbols that appear in different P’s as well.
The markings around the round window in the scanned photo are actually quite clear compared to the book.  Looking over both of them, I cant really see any major difference.

Preiss got a classic liberal arts education, at an elite institution, back when that meant a lot of reading and study of literature. You had to read Melville, and maybe you might have come across Sarmiento as well. These were hints meant to reward the well-read.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_X-dHrIJoe9w/T … G_1978.JPG
king’s chapel…….
does that circular part above the light fixture look like a feather to you guys? or like whatever that is in the image?
here’s another one:
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/25 … 9874ONrBAz
http://dcmemorials.com/index_indiv0008060.htm

(Cross posted from Verse 3)
Some rough ideas here and it would be great to get a detailed closeup of the facade at 448 Beacon Street, which I simply found by taking five steps North and East of the BPL.  I interpreted X as the intersection at BPL and Copley Square and T as the nearest bridge that takes you to MIT’s Engineering Library while taking a view from the steps of the Optometrist building.  There are lots of details yet for me to understand.  Understanding how the Freedom Trail works in is important and anything else related to a bird or L. Ron Hubbard might help.
I like the window architecture angle, let’s dig deeper into things glazier…

As with erexere, our girl’s collar rang a bell with me today. There is a particular kind of window sometimes seen on the upper first story of shop fronts (1920s – 1940s?) that looks suspiciously like the pattern on the collar. Here are some examples from Durham, NC:

WR-  in your Hatch theory what do the red orbs represent?  People still set on golf tees or think them as neutral elements?  I’m thinking they are basketballs.
With the howitzer I’m inclined to think the orbs represent grape shot.

Face the water
Your back to the stairs
Feel at home
All the letters
Are here to see
Wondering about this area at the back of the shell…
It’s near the howitzer.
“This howitzer cannon is permanently mounted by the Hatch Shell on the Esplanade and is used during the July 4th Boston Pops concert when they play the 1812 Overture by Tchaikovsky.”

erexere

WR-  in your Hatch theory what do the red orbs represent?  People still set on golf tees or think them as neutral elements?  I’m thinking they are basketballs.
With the howitzer I’m inclined to think the orbs represent grape shot.

Red orbs…? You mean image 10…? I guess that’s golf/Milwaukee. The statue outside the BPL seems to account for at least one of the orbs in image 11, though I’m not sure about the others…
(Whereabouts is your “green tower” building…?)

Oh goofy me…I had my head in the wrong image.  Yes, red orbs milwaukee so nevermind that Q.
My version of the green tower is on the corner of E Charlesgate and Beacon St.

cw0909

four21, i think this is MR and the building,i could be wrong
in this link is a good img of your building,on the pdf counter it says pg 17
img is labled storrow drive,building is in lower right corner,it looks like restroom
http://www.cityofboston.gov/Images_Docu … -12585.pdf

Wow! What a great find, CW! Thanks for helping continue the search!
The Conservatory already provided me several pictures of the structure, and it is determined to be a covered pavilion. It began as wood and then slowly transformed to concrete, then metal, then nobody knows. They didn’t have any recent pictures of the building. Either way, it’s really nice to know what the building was while trying to solve this mystery. I guess I had hoped they had a picture or two that was an obvious match to I11.

four21,maybe there was  a light pole there,between the stairs and the building
and the light pole stayed for awhile after the building,was taken down
thanks FB

TJWhite shared this pic of the
Somerset gate
. Things I hadn’t noticed before while looking at Google Street View, 1) the leafy shape of the end of the S letters, 2) the large square windows on the building in the background. Also, it helps that the gate and the image both present a backward’s S.
Here’s a visual
comparision
.

Unknown

Unknown:
If I was any good at writing, it wouldn’t be so bad reading my drivel

You write fine E, you just need an editor. To wit, I’ve taken the liberty of condensing your previous post down to its essential core. It looks like this:
Here’s a breakdown of my main ideas. Get started with the first line (of the verse). Work with the body of clues and play with verse and image to assemble a path. The trick to bootstrapping your way through these puzzles is ultimately about getting your feet on the ground near the site.
Most, if not all of the rest, with all due respect, is drivel. It might be fun to play around with, but I am highly suspect that it will lead anyone any closer to a casque.

Anyone have any thoughts on the Columbus imagery I posted last page, compass rose at the CCWP, and the glut of unidentified numbers in Image 11, some of which appear to be degrees? And any theories about the bubbles (including Venus) that have them as more than generic street lamp imagery?
Or am I that far off base speculating?

Frisco

Or am I that far off base speculating?

Sometimes you have to appreciate an idea. Let it run it’s course and at some point you’ll know why it does or doesn’t work.
The Columbus stuff leaves a strong impression. I really like your work on it.

erexere

Man, that’s what I was afraid of.

I like your work, because you raise good points. Along with the spheres it’s a legitimate facial similarity. How that furthers the search, I’m not sure. I especially like that you’ve found an Italian explorer to go with the Italian Fair Folk puzzle.
Don’t worry about me. I’m not interested in insulting your methods.

I didn’t mean to offend–just making a light joke. It seems like your methods are more about what BP was *thinking* when he said what he said or had painted, rather than the finished product, and it can be a lot of fun (and possibly one day fruitful–who knows?) to travel into that rabbit hole, but since you’re the only one really active on the site, it’s all anyone sees in a lot of these threads for pages and pages, so it can be a little discouraging to new folk not to see concrete progress. The lack of forum traffic is understandable, of course. I’m sure most people burn out after going at this furiously only to hit dead ends. So in that respect, it’s nice to see that you’re still plugging away at it!

One of Xie’s from the SA thread that never gained much traction but I tended to like:

Np, I got the joke. You’re right, it would be discouraging to wade through my pages and pages of posts. They’re crap. If I was any good at writing, it wouldn’t be so bad reading my drivel. One thing is for certain, lots of other people here are guilty of writing total crap too…more than 19k of them. My 12% contribution to the quagmire is a show of my dedication. I think I’ve succeeded in chipping away at it rather than spinning my wheels the entire time. Sure, I have a lot of theories, and I spend a lot of time trying to figure out how to test or challenge them. Here’s a breakdown of my main ideas,
1. Read the Litany of the Jewels. Identify the key words for each Fair Folk of origin.
Peridot of old Italy: Antique, and olivine, and rich.
The word Peridot may be an anagram for RIDE POT, since it could be a quick hint to Paul Revere, known for his midnight RIDE, and I happen to own a set of antique copper Revere cookware. It’s not so simple though. I think there’s something incredibly enigmatic about the LotJ hints. I think the reason for the Thucidides and Xenophon is largely about the topic of exile. The line about “feeling at home” may contribute to the subject of homelessness. It’s all about perspective. If you live on the streets, then you’re forced into “feeling at home” wherever you go. Perhaps this comes around to the copper pot, since homeless people are often pan handling. This could also lend itself to searching for the casque on a narrow piece of land (also a panhandle).
2. Get started with the first line. It presents a direct link to the casque path. It also contains a secondary meaning, because that’s what Fair Folk do best.
If Thucydides is
Could be (probably is) the Boston Library facade. Secondary meaning: if + is = if isle (is. can be an abbr form of isle or island). This is a hint for a prison of exile called the Also, ask the question: what is Thucydides? I bought a book on Thucydides. (I’m sure I’m not the only one around here who’s read a bunch of history about the guy).
3. Work with the body of clues and play with verse and image to assemble a path. It’s a minefield of wordplays, idioms, metaphors, and literal hints.
Notice the home plate and leg leaving it on the arm cuff. It’s consistent with how homeplate is faced in Fenway Park. Towards the fairy’s green jewel is roughly the direction we’d go on a map.
4. Determine the secret of the final line of verse. It’s just subtle.
In truth, be free.
I thought it had to do with a venn diagram or truth table combined with a reverse money symbol. I dunno. Now I’m thinking it has to do with a fence.
The trick to bootstrapping your way through these puzzles is ultimately about getting your feet on the ground near the site.

AP, i wondered that also with “feather” or “dart”, i don’t see a heart………..lol, i don’t wanna put feather and heart together
.
i still like the gilbert stuart monument in boston common. he painted the portrait of “George Washington” that they call “The Athaeneum”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:GStuartgrave.JPG
, i do see the heart now, never noticed it b4, i posted that b4 1st cup of coffee.  was george washington ever called an “old f$*t”? ………sorry, can’t get it out of my head now. lol

Looking at the top of the stone circle in Image 11,
do you think that maybe it could be a type of rebus?…
something like “broken heart”or maybe domething to
do with “purple heart”?
AP

WhiteRabbit

Just kicking some stuff around…
It’s a possibility. The closest so far I think, though still not as close as I’d like. But unfortunately Preiss and Palencar were basically a bit cr@p at puzzle books, so most of the time you really can’t tell what’s a clue and what isn’t. (Someone had to say it.)
Revisiting the rose garden then, if you made your way there, I guess the closest steps are at the war memorial.
If you looked towards the water and the Victory Gardens from there, you’d be looking at the Agassiz bridge. (
Agassiz
was a Geologist who hung out at Boston’s
Saturday Club
with the likes of Holmes and Longfellow.)
Here’s the rose garden by the memorial (circled bottom), 2C (circled top), and bridge in the middle.
On the bridge…
I think that temple ‘peace’ bell is somewhere around the rose/memorial area, though I’m not sure exactly where.

This is the only area in boston that has multiple visual clues, 421’s esplanade option works with the poem and the circle behind the lady in image 11 certainly does look like the compass rose, but it’s not perfect – and even if it was, we’ve seen from the solved puzzles that not EVERY visual marker is in the immediate vicinity. One could certainly make a case for the war memorial as the circle behind the lady, especially with the statue there.
Remember that steps doesn’t necessarily mean stairs… it could just mean, walk five steps.
I keep coming back to this area – so many matches. That white planter is too close to not be a match to her dress.
(I think)

WhiteRabbit

Just kicking some stuff around…
It’s a possibility. The closest so far I think, though still not as close as I’d like. But unfortunately Preiss and Palencar were basically a bit cr@p at puzzle books, so most of the time you really can’t tell what’s a clue and what isn’t. (Someone had to say it.)
Revisiting the rose garden then, if you made your way there, I guess the closest steps are at the war memorial.
If you looked towards the water and the Victory Gardens from there, you’d be looking at the Agassiz bridge. (
Agassiz
was a Geologist who hung out at Boston’s
Saturday Club
with the likes of Holmes and Longfellow.)
Here’s the rose garden by the memorial (circled bottom), 2C (circled top), and bridge in the middle.
On the bridge…
I think that temple ‘peace’ bell is somewhere around the rose/memorial area, though I’m not sure exactly where.

This is the only area in boston that has multiple visual clues, 421’s esplanade option works with the poem and the circle behind the lady in image 11 certainly does look like the
compass
rose, but it’s not perfect – and even if it was, we’ve seen from the solved puzzles that not EVERY visual marker is in the immediate vicinity. One could certainly make a case for the war memorial as the circle behind the lady, especially with the statue there.
Remember that steps doesn’t necessarily mean stairs… it could just mean, walk five steps.
I keep coming back to this area – so many matches. That white planter is too close to not be a match to her dress.
(I think)

I would like review the latitude and longitude for this painting. There seems to be three sets of numbers in the painting.
There is a “112” in the flower area. This coordinate seems the most obvious.
There is a “41” in the stone window. This number is seems less obvious, but still stands out enough to be a good coordinate number.
With just the “41” and “112” we end up in the Salt Lake City area.
There is a “2” ”4” combination on the bracelet. It is tempting to combine these numbers to make a “42”, especially since we already have a “41”. One could then use these two successive numbers (“41” and “42”) to bracket the location as we have done in other paintings. But I suspect these numbers are separate (“4” and “2”).
The reasons are:
1. They are separated on the bracelet
2. They are in different style lettering
3. They are rotated different directions.
The other problem of using these numbers as a “42” to bracket the longitude between “41” and “42”, is we end up far north and very much outside of Salt Lake City, in a desolate area of Utah.

I had considered that the window arch number could be another number besides 4.
Shecrab
reminded me that I did not mention a couple points.
When Palencar painted numbers he usually used typical handwritten forms. When Palencar painted 1s, 4s and 7s he most often opted for their typical straight lines. But maybe more importantly, when Palencar painted curved numbers like 6, 8, and 9, he usually used their typical curved lines. With the number in the arch being so squared and straight in its angles and lines the most likely number should be a 4.
The strongest evidence that 41 is our latitude is our alternatives. If we are confident in 112 for the longitude, the problem with the arch number being a 6 or 9 is that we get latitudes of 91 or 16. There is no such latitude of 91. That would have to be north of the North Pole.
And the latitude of 16, takes us far out in the Pacific Ocean.
So, Salt Lake City should be our location. Maybe the reason we were unable to make ground on this picture is we were not focusing on SLC. We haven’t spent time discussing this city recently. What say you fellow hunters?

Good observation about the numbers. I hadn’t noticed the way they were written, only the numbers themselves.
I’ll pay more attention now!

The numbers in the window could be 91 or turned upside down, 16. They don’t look so much like 41 to me.

Hi everyone!
I am *extremely* new to this (only found out about “The Secret” yesterday…), but I am quite intrigued by the whole thing.
As far as this picture goes, the one thing that caught my eye from the start is the strange crack on the wall just a bit up and to the right of the “112”. Maybe I missed it on here, but has anyone discussed what that could possibly be? My first guess was that it could be a waterway path (river, etc) the way it would appear on a map of the area.
But I have to say, you people are doing a *great* job.

Welcome to The Secret, Killian32! I remember spending two solid days catching up on all the postings on this forum when I first joined, and I’ll be it’s doubled since then. Lots of fun.
That crack has long intrigued me. No good theories have been offered, as far as I can remember. It could be a waterway, a road, a peculiar city block, an actual crack in a real rock wall… Whatever it is, I suspect it is a clue and not just an artistic flourish.

Thanks for the welcome! And it’s nice to meet you!
Yeah…I’ve spent the better part of yesterday and this morning going over everything that’s been posted so far, and it’s quite a daunting task.
But I agree that the crack means *something*. I just wish I knew exactly what.

Hi, this is a real winner of a solution for combining several items into one standing perspective:
Green Line: beneath overpass = feel at home (roof overhead)
Dark Blue Box (rounded): water, face it go towards it by stepping over rail and past box, turn to face globes and stairs are behind you
Lavender Oval: bird stump is the same relative height to this railing if standing next to it
Light Blue Box: it’s a marker for where to stand, centered as if you would open it
White Triangle/Line: specific alignment on three lamp globes in park when standing on Red X
Orange Line: top of head and hair pair well to the green tower facade seen in line’s direction above the lamp globes
There is also a stair behind you (facing globes and tower) as you face the water.

It’s similar to the image but not dead on, the fingers are in a different position…it is very close tho.
If it were a match it would be more like this…
https://www.dropbox.com/s/m7djbfe1i130u … l.png?dl=0
Granted there is some gum stuck to the hand in this pic, but the match is close enough here that you could say ah-ha.

It’s very, very close. And that’s not my picture, so I can try to do better.
If it helps, this statue is located at the DCR Memorial Hatch shell on the Charles River Esplanade…
edit: The Juneau statue’s hand position isn’t perfect either. The location of the fingers is a bit different, there’s spacing between the middle and ring fingers that isn’t in both. IMO it’s a very similar “amount” of matching. The location makes it a no-brainer IMO.

It’s an unusual hand gesture, for the MKE one, and it doesn’t match 100% I agree but there is a striking resemblance. Also consider the advances in photography from the polaroid, to where we are now…
I have made it well known that my MKE solution is fair at best, I think if you approach this match with the same humility, just keep it in the back of your head that it’s probably wrong…BUT if other clues are found there that make sense, investigation is warranted. The esplanade is where the yard with the benches are right…the library area? So if that statue is less than 1/4 of a mile from the bench area, it could be a match to either circle in on the area, or its a waypoint in a straight line from another clue.
As far as we know, he either boxes you in an area, or takes you in a relatively direct path from one thing to the next…if it doesn’t fit into one of those 2 scenario’s the chance goes down.
I think that is what makes the puzzles so interesting…things could mean absolutely nothing…until it is by another thing that does mean something…it’s fairly genius and I also hate it

I dont know how familiar anyone is with four21’s Boston theory – if you’re aware of some of the other matches going on?
There is a string of Polaroids from the Storrow Memorial Compass all the way to the Hatch Shell. The shell is of course depicted in the bottom right of the image (the striped globe stand).
This is the latest in an unbroken line of matches in that park. I believe by “bench area” you mean the 30 benches surrounding the compass? There are tons of those benches on both sides of the Esplanade, they are not unique to 421’s spot, nor are they secluded by the compass. They are unique to the park though.
There are exactly 5 bridges on your left as you walk between the Compass and the Hatch Shell, walking in the direction of the BPL, and the direction Thicydides name faces on the side of the BPL as well. If you keep walking to the next bridge you reach the Longfellow…
Edit: to be a downer the entire hatch shell is currently torn up for lawn restoration :/

Here is something I’ve been sitting on for a while and had dismissed out of hand. I can’t remember if four21 had pictures of this statue or not, but it’s been bugging me for almost a year now:
Do you see a resemblance between the man’s arm position and hand position and image #11?
https://irs3.4sqi.net/img/general/width … 5F1C4K.jpg

Merlot Brougham

Right on. I’ll trust the boots on the ground in Boston, but it’s one of those things that seems to be smack dab in the same area as a lot of the ideas being discussed. Maybe I need to read up on Boston more.
Still need to know what her hairline and lines in the stone here represent:

http://goo.gl/maps/QVYZc
I think it is this place where the paths meet on the river side of the esplanade. Note the building too.

Yesterday there was a pretty silly
Boston treasure hunt on Reddit
that was over almost as soon as it began. (Spoiler alert: The box was at that bar from Cheers.)
As a consolation prize, someone posted a link to the wiki for
The Secret
in the comments thread. The
wiki traffic exploded
, all with hits from the Boston area looking at Image 11. So maybe all those new eyes will bring a fresh perspective to the hunt.

erexere

I still believe the casque is in Charlesgate in front of the Somerset.
Ive done my best to understand alternative theories, but I can’t help but lobby for the connection the LotJ has to the verse-image pairing that does the job of identifying a theme of exile and some place in a fenced in area (with metal walls) . All the letters that are “here to see” are simply letter “I’s”. Those being globe lights.

Forgive me for jumping around on Boston theories, but can someone explain the inherent problems with the Victory Gardens being all the letters? People seemed to like it for a while, but I admittedly haven’t scoured the thread as well as I could have. That always seemed pretty good to me, a letter for every section and all:

Merlot Brougham

Forgive me for jumping around on Boston theories, but can someone explain the inherent problems with the Victory Gardens being all the letters? People seemed to like it for a while, but I admittedly haven’t scoured the thread as well as I could have. That always seemed pretty good to me, a letter for every section and all: img

I never thought there was anything wrong with it, but I couldn’t make the rest of the verse fit at a plausible location nearby, and nothing in the image matched exactly as it does at the solved dig spots. In my mind, it’s very possible that the Gardens ARE all the letters. Others may disagree. However, since I shared that new theory at the compass, it seems to have fallen by the wayside.

Glossiphoniidae

I never thought there was anything wrong with it, but I couldn’t make the rest of the verse fit at a plausible location nearby, and nothing in the image matched exactly as it does at the solved dig spots. In my mind, it’s very possible that the Gardens ARE all the letters. Others may disagree. However, since I shared that new theory at the compass, it seems to have fallen by the wayside.

Right on. I’ll trust the boots on the ground in Boston, but it’s one of those things that seems to be smack dab in the same area as a lot of the ideas being discussed. Maybe I need to read up on Boston more.
Still need to know what her hairline and lines in the stone here represent:
Also, and maybe this is more for Xieish, as I’ve seen him mention the Prudential Building a few times. That is this per the theory, correct (sorry if I missed this somewhere)?