does anyone remember the discussion on the directions
from start point was it turn right, go straight, turn left,
or the other way, i tried to find it, couldnt
on the map if you go right, with your back to office,
you can turn left at 6th, which becomes ave of america, then church,
then turns into trinity, greenwich, to battery, i followed it
on the walk in google, the street chances are, bare to right and left
but it is a straight shot, no left or right turns
i didnt do broadway but i think, you could do that way too,
would just change the right and left turns

http://www.flickr.com/photos/feeney57/538771545/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/feeney57/5 … otostream/
This is the Old Met Life Tower seen from Madison Square Park (not the Square Garden), which is down the street from BP’s office.  Could be our clock.
Would have to find another verse for the solve to be near 25th Street, I believe.  V10 would have to be JPJ Park or the Battery.

Regarding the clock:
CON:  This clock does not have roman numerals  (if that matters)
PROs:  The clock is the same concrete color as the picture, with it’s decorative edges does give it a basic square shape, and the Archways above the clock match the outlining frame of the picture exactly.
Nice find.
What in our other clues might be seen from that building?

well, hamilton passed the custom administration act (which led to building of customs houses) and tarsney act led to fancy redesigns of old ailing buildings, with both the Alexander Hamilton Custom House; Ellis Island and the General Post Office Building being three of them redesigned in this fashion.

anus905

it was built because of an act hamilton passed, so either way you look at it…its related to him. you can call it the us custom house if you want, but its known as the alexander hamilton us custom house to everyone else.

your right.
but what is the name of the act?
what was built?

the tarsney act and the us custom house…

anus905

the tarsney act and the us custom house…

Alexander Hamilton (January 11, 1755 or 1757 – July 12, 1804)
John Charles Tarsney (November 7, 1845 – September 4, 1920)
and it still works.

Up until 1996, when it became a National Park
Governor’s Island was first military
and then Coast Guard exclusively.
BP would have had zero access to this island.

It isn’t obvious to me. Can you show us what you mean with pictures?

Maybe this wil help

I can see the similarity.  If this is the case, the jewel would be representing Governors Island.  Could this be where the casque is located?

The Statue Of Liberty
!  I still don’t know why this is being debated.  The Trade center!  The slender path and the arch of the Verrazano.  The slender path nails this.
OK shecrab, what’s up with your theory?

http://www.freewebs.com/patcash/pics.htm
When looking at the face up side down, the left hair looks like Northern New Jersey, no?  The face becomes a sailboat with a huge sail.  Kind of looks like a toy boat.  The right side of the hair looks like a facial profile with a wild hairdo that I can’t make out.  Puzzling still is the shadow under/over the nose.  Over the nose when looking at it this way.

Concentrating on the selections of color for this image,
can we detrmine if this attached matches the chosen
for the domes….
The other domes I have seen are either copper
colored or white, but this hue seems to resonate.
Comments?

Trohn

Concentrating on the selections of color for this image,
can we detrmine if this attached matches the chosen
for the domes….

Where is this one?

BM-
To answer my obviously withheld piece of
information, check out a possible match
to the lower half of the lady’s gown…
the part that is discolored and darker…
an obvious addon …

And to complete this novel line
of make the pieces fit…
in relation to the above map,
here is, designed by an Olmstead,
what is located at the exact spot of
the jewel’s postioning….
http://www.fairmountpark.org/FDRParkBoathouse.asp
Kind of interesting, wonder what’s there
that we don’t have a photo of?

“Near those
Who pass the Coliseum
With metal walls”
In 1982, there was only the
one “coliseum”

Boog Man-
To finally revisit your question from yesterday,
I see an Eagle head (upside down) in the water.

In this style – not a logo for anybody
in 1982.

if you research fort totten you will find there are a few of them.research the one in washington dc.there is a train station,you will find something there! it relates to image 12.there are also lots of pics…you will see it

north star

if you research fort totten you will find there are a few of them.research the one in washington dc.there is a train station,you will find something there! it relates to image 12.there are also lots of pics…you will see it

I don’t see any connections.  This image/site should be at a coastline.
The train station/
park
is inland.

north star

if you research fort totten you will find there are a few of them.research the one in washington dc.there is a train station,you will find something there! it relates to image 12.there are also lots of pics…you will see it

I don’t see any connections.  This image/site should be at a coastline.
The train station/park is inland.

ok, I give oh celestial body to the North….  I have looked and looked and looked at the Ft Totten Metro Station as well as Ft T itself and see nothing that even remotely resembles anything in this P.
Not wanting to sound like a broken record here but….. It is Wonderful to have new eyes & eye-deas concerning this hunt, but.. it is quite disheartening when a new person comes on, says they “know” the answer, and casually tries to drop subtle hints concerning their theory.  Everyone around here is completely open with any and all ideas because it isnt the “treasure’s worth” that we are all wanting but the thrill of unlocking the clues to this very old hunt.  Guess that about sums it up……
Back to the hunt guys…we are quickly closing in on a couple more of these elusive casques……

So, Fox, what you are saying is:
just say no to Hint Julips…

i never said i knew the answer.i just wanted to show you how this puzzle works.dont get upset.who said it needs to be on the coastland.

Profiles match pretty well.
Does the history of the church
make it distinctive and is it
high enough to make a skyline image?

Here’s a church in Bayonne NJ, from where you can see Lady Liberty, Manhattan, Ellis Island, Brooklyn, and it has it’s own grey giant, the Bayonne Bridge.  Note the color of the domes.
http://community.webshots.com/photo/745 … 0892lgpgyZ
the bridge
http://www.richmangalleries.com/arch_bridges.htm

Nice find boog! It’s the closest match I’ve seen.
This is Sts. Peter and Paul Orthodox Church in Bayonne, New Jersey at 98 W 28th St, Bayonne, NJ.
http://www.oca.org/DIRlisting.asp?SID=9&KEY=OCA-WA-BAYSPP

I cannot find anything yet that would be considered distinctive about the church or Bayonne.  I do think it’s remarkable with the angle of the church you have put up Forest.  You can almost set it right in the image.
I think the bubbles and the maroon and cream colors in the window are the keys here.  We can link Lady Liberty, one tower of the WTC, now maybe the domes.  The lats and longs for Bayonne are 40 and 74, but that pretty much covers the whole area.
Matching this with the other possible verse, #10, the grey giant, if Bayonne would be the local, coudn’t be the tower.  The shadow would not cast that far.  It would have to be the bridge linking Bayonne to Statin Island.  S and the I.  You may think I’m hellucinating, but I see it clearly.  OK, so what do you guys think of the NJ written right to left?  Can anyone else justify this?

Bayonne?
Just seems like a dense area for him to
choose, esp. with the intended
landmarks being spread out as they are.
Interestingly, but maybe of no use,
the largest waterfall after Niagra,
is in this area as well… Great Falls.
Anyways, for those not familar with the area
or with Saturday Night Live… note the following…

The Great Falls are in Paterson NJ.  They even have a monument in the park for Alexander Hamilton there (Indies native).  No church that I can see, nor a “bookbinder”.  Where are in the NYC Harbor for sure.  Where?  Paulus Hook Jersey City, Bayonne?
The Battery?
http://www.rt23.com/history/Paterson_NJ-silk_city.shtml

boogieman,
do you know of any sign of noah webster around the bridge?  he was an indian missionary and he wrote the dictionary. i’m pretty sure there were 3 volumes of the dictionary made. (from researching long time ago)
do you think “the isle of b” could be brooklyn?

haven’t found anything here, but thought it was really neat how the clouds look like waves in the science center, liberty state park:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jag9889/2596754971/
i got so excited when i saw the first sentence…………..but now i see it was written in 2001……….sorry
http://www.folsp.org/25th_jersey_journa … _story.htm
i was looking for this:
http://www.folsp.org/historical_sign.htm
does anyone know what the word PATH in this sentence stands for? never mind, i just found it…port authority trans-hudson
Transportation
A picturesque and surprisingly convenient ferry service to Manhattan will spirit you, but not your car, across the river to lower Manhattan in about eight minutes. PATH Rapid-Transit System connects commuters to various parts of New Jersey and Manhattan A light rail line through town that runs from Bayonne to Jersey City is more for access to shopping and museums than daily commutes. The area also has more than enough bus service.

Wow, I have always been with Mr. Boogs about this being in or around JPJ Park (which is right below one of the towers of the V bridge but I too had never really made the connection of the shape of P12 looking so much like the bridge.  Thanks for the visual slaps…

fox

Wow, I have always been with Mr. Boogs about this being in or around JPJ Park (which is right below one of the towers of the V bridge but I too had never really made the connection of the shape of P12 looking so much like the bridge.  Thanks for the visual slaps…

WHAT?  I’ve posted so many images of that confounded bridge (Led Zeppelin song) that i could not consider any other option.  call me when you dig it up!!!!

forest_blight

Wait… you mean the rest of you can’t see the message “The casque is hidden at the southeast corner of the foot of the Narrows Bridge” hidden in the window? You guys need to get your eyes checked!

That’s what I’m talking about!

Unknown

Unknown:
does anyone know what the word PATH in this sentence stands for? never mind, i just found it…port authority trans-hudson

Neat observation! I don’t think anyone has suggested that before. This may lead places.

Great find, Slappy!
Even the icy blue color of the sky is similar to image 12…
This is taken from Google Street View…so this is how the arch would have looked when BP drove by it.

thanks forest
i don’t mean to set anyone on the wrong “path”, lol, i am just hoping to find the one thing that will really help the hunters.

surprised ‘ole Boogie didnt catch this ‘PATH’ reference…

Ravel07-
Yes, a nice leg (Image 9).
I do think Montreal is our target Canadian city
(after process of elimination and some odd proximities)
Since you are going out and taking photos, can you investigate
this possibility:
http://www.pbase.com/dumontd/montreal_lachine_canal/
http://www.pbase.com/dumontd/image/13712129
http://www.pbase.com/dumontd/image/13710840
It is a church (with obvious Mary statues) and it is situated
on a canal.  The canal has arched foot bridges.
It is early in my investigation of this area, but worthy of a walk about.
Thanks.

OK, I swear to you that the first image of her hair is a map of northern NJ only.  I can’t figure out the next one.  There are other images of faces in other paintings, like JFK’s face in image one.  Does anyone recognize this one?  I have airbrushed some of Lady Liberty’s face so we can see the profile better….See it?

looks like lincoln to me, but then again so did the JFK in image 1,
I am probably not the best judge,  maybe Elvis crossed with Lincoln,
Ok I have been up too long….

DocZ, its not my job to give you guff…but I do like your effort.

Here is a test to see if Mediafire works:
https://www.mediafire.com/?6kk7pl93m2n3tbg
Edited to add: Annoying, but workable.

This is really compelling, DocZ. I am not completely convinced, but it is compelling for sure.
I haven’t seen the Times Square interpretation before — I love that, and it seems in line with the kind of wordplay/imageplay that BP and JJP would engage in.

I LOVE the eagle and I also love the photo on page 67 of the statue. Very interesting and impressive indeed. My problems continue to be, in no particular order: 1) I do NOT see Maine in the outline of her dress — the other maps (Ohio and Roanoke for example) are EXACT renditions of the place and that robe is just, by comparison, NOT spot on; 2) much of he language is guesswork to make it fit – in both the Cleveland and Chicago verses, not a word was wasted, let alone a full sentence or three. But here for example, you are suggesting the first three lines are all related to “Broadway.” While I like the interpretation generally, I do not believe BP would have devoted three lines to one thought like that; and 3) it is just so hard for me to imagine BP digging in the sand outside the entrance to Central Park at ANY time of day, inconspicously. Someone surely would have seen him exposed there and either stopped this crazy man from digging, or, in the case of the average New Yorker, waited til he was gone and just dug it up immediately to see what had been left there.
And I am NOT being critical, as I was REALLY intrigued by a lot of what you posted, but I sort of feel that the Edwin and Edwina line is a stretch to say there is a building across the way built by an architect named Edward. Just does not jive with the kind of prose he wrote in the ones that were solved that were SO location sensitive. Same with the White House line. I agree it designed as a distraction creating the impression of DC, but clearly not – still, while I love that there is a building that fronts Central Park West known as the white house, it is located up between 85th and 86th, while the Columbus Circle entrance to the Park (the area you are focused in on) is almost 30 NYC blocks south at 58th/59th and that is a LONG way to correspond the idea that White House is close at hand — UNLESS, and I have not been over there to see it myself — one of those white structures with the black or green doors could be considered a “White house” that is close at hand (meaning look for the one that is close to where one of the significant statue hands is pointing?! Just a thought.)
Anyway, I am excited about the prospect of a new theory and completely applaud your effort thus far. And I will be thrilled if, and when, you actually go over there and dig it up. I am just saying there remains an awful lot that seems disconnected. That church, while it might be the one in Russia, is a big time stretch for me, as it seems more something you can see from the location, rather than a reference to a country of origin. And those darn red and blue bauble panels – they remain the key to me to solving this puzzle. Until someone is standing somewhere and can tie those in, this casque will never be found. NO WAY BP and JP would have wasted those many panels in the illustration on something unless it was extremely important and tied directly into the sight itself, and my guess is, again, something easily seen from the location when you are standing close to where he buried that casque. Stained glass somewhere?! I did notice that there are a number of subway stops on the map at the nearby Columbus Circle spot. I wonder if there is a corresponding color scheme for that that might tie in here (I know people have posted previously about colors of subways and train lines and maybe that might be some kind of marker). A good start and a great way to have spent much of my afternoon doing some digging around in support of your theory, at the expense of my job, but not yet thoroughly convinced the way you are that you are in the right place. I sincerely hope I am wrong for your sake.

I LOVE the eagle and I also love the photo on page 67 of the statue. Very interesting and impressive indeed. My problems continue to be, in no particular order: 1) I do NOT see Maine in the outline of her dress — the other maps (Ohio and Roanoke for example) are EXACT renditions of the place and that robe is just, by comparison, NOT spot on; 2) much of he language is guesswork to make it fit – in both the Cleveland and Chicago verses, not a word was wasted, let alone a full sentence or three. But here for example, you are suggesting the first three lines are all related to “Broadway.” While I like the interpretation generally, I do not believe BP would have devoted three lines to one thought like that; and 3) it is just so hard for me to imagine BP digging in the sand outside the entrance to
Central
Park
at ANY time of day, inconspicously. Someone surely would have seen him exposed there and either stopped this crazy man from digging, or, in the case of the average New Yorker, waited til he was gone and just dug it up immediately to see what had been left there.
And I am NOT being critical, as I was REALLY intrigued by a lot of what you posted, but I sort of feel that the Edwin and Edwina line is a stretch to say there is a building across the way built by an architect named Edward. Just does not jive with the kind of prose he wrote in the ones that were solved that were SO location sensitive. Same with the White House line. I agree it designed as a distraction creating the impression of DC, but clearly not – still, while I love that there is a building that fronts
Central
Park
West known as the white house, it is located up between 85th and 86th, while the Columbus Circle entrance to the
Park
(the area you are focused in on) is almost 30 NYC blocks south at 58th/59th and that is a LONG way to correspond the idea that White House is close at hand — UNLESS, and I have not been over there to see it myself — one of those white structures with the black or green doors could be considered a “White house” that is close at hand (meaning look for the one that is close to where one of the significant statue hands is pointing?! Just a thought.)
Anyway, I am excited about the prospect of a new theory and completely applaud your effort thus far. And I will be thrilled if, and when, you actually go over there and dig it up. I am just saying there remains an awful lot that seems disconnected. That church, while it might be the one in Russia, is a big time stretch for me, as it seems more something you can see from the location, rather than a reference to a country of origin. And those darn red and blue bauble panels – they remain the key to me to solving this puzzle. Until someone is standing somewhere and can tie those in, this casque will never be found. NO WAY BP and JP would have wasted those many panels in the illustration on something unless it was extremely important and tied directly into the sight itself, and my guess is, again, something easily seen from the location when you are standing close to where he buried that casque. Stained glass somewhere?! I did notice that there are a number of subway stops on the map at the nearby Columbus Circle spot. I wonder if there is a corresponding color scheme for that that might tie in here (I know people have posted previously about colors of subways and train lines and maybe that might be some kind of marker). A good start and a great way to have spent much of my afternoon doing some digging around in support of your theory, at the expense of my job, but not yet thoroughly convinced the way you are that you are in the right place. I sincerely hope I am wrong for your sake.

O.K. Everyone! Here is my solution, along with proof that both Verse #6 and Image #12 are linked and represent New York City.
My final answer is that the clues lead to the sandy area to the east of the U.S.S. Maine Memorial at Merchant’s Gate, which is the southwest entrance to Central Park in New York City, just off of Columbus Circle (which is at the intersection of Broadway, 8th Avenue, and 59th street).
Let’s start at the beginning. I am fairly new to the quest. I was introduced to The Secret when a Facebook friend linked to the Boing Boing article about James Renner and his documentary about The Secret. It piqued my interest and brought me to The Secret Wiki, a page containing partial solutions.
I want to emphasize that when I started, I was looking at information online and did not have a copy of the book. However, because I became interested, I have purchased a copy of the book, and I am now fully invested in this quest.
On the Secret Wiki front page is a list of the images and a “Status Grid” with partial solutions which may or may not be correct. Image 12 was suggested to correspond to New York City. As I used to live in New York and have some familiarity with it, but no familiarity with any of the other cities suggested as a solution, I started there to see if I agreed that Image #12 really represented New York. I do.
These are the reasons Image #12 represents New York:
A) The Square Shaped Clock indicates Times Square.
B) The face on the woman looks like the Statue of Liberty’s face.
C) The coordinate 74 (clearly) and 41 (probably, but less clear) are located in the waves. It just so happens that the coordinates of the final location that I will lead you to in New York are  40.768326, -73.980871.
In hindsight, those are the only clues which are generic to New York and are not specific to the treasure location.
The following Link should take you to Mediafire. I have posted a picture of Image #12 with red letters positioned on the picture, corresponding to the clues I mention both here and later in the discussion.
https://www.mediafire.com/?6kk7pl93m2n3tbg
There are also some clues specific to which one of the treasures goes with the image, but these clues are of no help with the location process.
D) A Blue Topaz is pictured below the woman.
E) The time on the clock is 11:00. Eleven represents November. Topaz is November’s Birthstone.
F) The flower in her hand is Chrysanthemum, which is the birth flower for November.
G) The Church depicted is NOT in New York. It is the Church of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary, situated on the banks of the Neva River in St. Petersburg, Russia. On page 21 of The Secret, in the Litany of the Jewels, the book states, “A Topaz is the Russian prize: The royal sunstone, frozen fire.” The church is a Russian Church to indicate the Russian prize. It is blue like a Topaz to indicate the jewel. Again, this is a clue about the treasure itself, not its location.
Here is a picture of the church:
http://www.mediafire.com/view/veidj3vcj5uev3d/Assumption.jpg
On the Secret Wiki Status Grid and on the Image #12 page, there is discordant information about the appropriate verse. The Status grid claims that Verse #10 is correct. On the Image #12 page, Sonoran claims that Verse #6 is correct, but thinks it refers to the Alexander Holley Monument in Washington Square park. I had to figure out which was the true verse and location on my own. The correct verse is Verse #6, but Sonoran is wrong about the location.
To review what I posted previously, so that the entire solution is consolidated into one place (with some updates/editing) here is the solution to Verse #6:
Of all the romance retold
Men of tales and tunes
Cruel and bold
Seen here
Refers to Broadway Musicals in New York City. Start on Broadway.
A note about how I interpret Byron Preiss clues. Some of his clues are quotes from literature. They imply a feature we are supposed to figure out, but are not intended to be used as a direct quote or to purely be true to the source material. For example, a quote from Treasure Island does not mean we have to be on an Island (although Manhattan is an island) or that we have to be dealing with pirates. Romance, tales, and tunes can mean Broadway shows.
By eyes of old
I’ll get back to this one. It becomes clear later in the verse.
Stand and listen to the birds
Lots of pigeons on statues in New York. Indicates we are looking for a public park with a monument/statue.
There is a monument in the center of Columbus Circle, where Broadway intersects 8th Avenue and 59th Street. (That is not the correct place. But it is on the way, so lets go there first to work it out and see if the solution becomes more obvious.)
Hear the cool, clear song of water.
Oops, no fountain at the monument on Columbus Circle. But what is that right across the street at the southwest entrance to Central Park? A monument with fountains on it? Yes! Let’s cross the street and look at the U.S.S. Maine National Monument.
Here is a picture:
http://www.mediafire.com/view/aeq1dr69h8kjg2m/IMG_2421.jpg
Harken to the words:
Freedom at the birth of a century
To be honest, I don’t know what “Freedom at the birth of a century” means. But even without this clue, the subsequent clues prove me right.
Or May 1913
The U.S.S. Maine National Monument was dedicated May 30, 1913
Edwin and Edwina named after him
This is a quote from the book “Abroad in America” about someone named Edward Blyden. Again, I believe Byron Preiss used literary references to imply things – that we are talking about someone named Edward. I do not think he intended to require that the source material must be used literally to fulfill the clue. (For example a quote from Herman Melville was meant to lead to Hermann Park in Houston, not necessarily leading to whatever the exact words of the quote were about.)
Instead, this quote about someone named Edward refers to the building at 2 Columbus Circle designed by the famous architect EDWARD Durrell Stone.
We are in the right place.
Or on the eighth a scene
Where are we again? The intersection of Broadway, with EIGHTH Avenue and 59th Street. We are still in the right place.
Now I will explain “By eyes of old”: One side of the USS Maine National Monument has a young figure representing the Pacific Ocean (discovered later),
http://www.mediafire.com/view/5xaaz6s9dnqd7od/IMG_2430.jpg
the other side has an old figure, representing the Atlantic Ocean (known to European explorers first).
http://www.mediafire.com/view/wifm5sdg3990svc/Atlantic.jpg
The verse is indicating to go toward the side of the monument with the older figure.
Where law defended
Between two arms extended
Now here is where it gets tricky. There are actually 3 figures on this monument who have two arms extended.
In the front are a young boy named Victory
http://www.mediafire.com/view/witufrfoa7peku2/IMG_2420.jpg
and a woman named Courage.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/4jz3o8pvgdmphfo/IMG_2419.jpg
In the back is a woman named Justice.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/usszgd5z3lj4y9q/IMG_2431.jpg
Justice is more likely to be a defender of law. Also, old Atlantic Ocean is looking backwards at Justice, not forwards towards Victory and Courage. So Justice is seen here by eyes of old.
Below the bar that binds
A literary way of saying a sand bar binding a ship. The front of the Monument is sculpted into the prow of a ship.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/aeq1dr69h8kjg2m/IMG_2421.jpg
At the rear of the monument is a sandy area. This could almost be considered to look like a ship caught on a sand bar.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/lo2e3sd9kjx3wj2/IMG_2423.jpg
Beside the long palm’s shadow
There is a plaque is on the monument between the old Atlantic Ocean figure and the rear-facing Justice. Several copies of this plaque were stamped out and affixed to several USS Maine memorials across the country. There is a long palm frond on the plaque.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/yglbdolz53p8iqp/IMG_2435.jpg
Alternate Solution:
Justice has her right hand partially clenched and her left hand more open.  Her left/our right is the long palm.   That is the side closer to the old Atlantic Ocean figure, and to the plaque too.  So it all fits.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/7zubwpw612mot8n/Justice.jpg
Either way, we want to know what is below that plaque.
What about the figures with outstretched arms in front? Victory has both hands clenched.  Courage has both hands open.  The phrase long palm does not distinguish which side to dig on, if you are looking at the front figures.
Embedded in the sand
Again, there is a sandy area at the rear of the monument instead of having the marble sidewalks go all the way around. This is where to dig.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/zxrs2w8z07nh0u6/IMG_2440.jpg
and
http://www.mediafire.com/view/xqp3er4o938v62t/IMG_2441.jpg
Waits the Fair remuneration
Here is where the prize is. Dig in the sand under the plaque in between Justice and the Atlantic Ocean.
White house close at hand.
A distractor to make you think of Washington DC. The building 262 Central Park West is also known as the White House. We are at the southwest corner of Central Park, not too far from the building.
But now that we are at that location, I promised you some additional visual confirmation. So here are the additional clues.
H) The bottom of the dress of the woman in the painting is in the shape of the northern and eastern borders of Maine, if Maine were rotated upside down.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/10o0mc8nzo55clz/MaineDress.jpg
I) Look closely at the prow of the ship just below Victory. Our friendly eagle is NOT a generic New York clue from the Chrysler Building, but a specific confirmation that I am correct.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/5n6xgw4wmida2y3/IMG_2432.jpg
J) The same goes for the rectangle to the left of the Russian Church. There are 4 of these pylons located on the site. That is NOT a world trade center, as some have suggested. It IS a feature of the U.S.S. Maine memorial. 2 of the pylons have doors that are green with age. 2 are still black
http://www.mediafire.com/view/mg8emdutklmt3rc/IMG_2425.jpg
K) It is a little hard to see because my photos are taken from below Justice, who has her arms up. Instead, the painting has her arms down so you see the hands from the front. But the finger positioning on the “two arms extended” of Justice matches the finger positioning in the painting.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/6vohng2ohgds77w/IMG_2439-2.jpg
L) I also think the head of one of the horses from the top of the monument can be seen in the waves. This is not as clear-cut as the other clues.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/zztpc6e6w18bbga/Horses.jpg
M) I know Byron Preiss said that only the Pictures and Verses mattered. I know that the rest of the book is not *supposed* to contain clues. But could Page 67 of The Secret make it any more clear about the fact that Mr. Preiss found this location to be interesting and spent some time here when planning the book?
http://www.mediafire.com/view/lzmk84rvcsov8o9/IMG_2415.jpg
I rest my case.
P.S. I noticed page 67 after I got my copy of the book, which was AFTER I had already decided that this was the location. But it was a nice confirmatory element.

O.K. Everyone! Here is my solution, along with proof that both Verse #6 and Image #12 are linked and represent New York City.
My final answer is that the clues lead to the sandy area to the east of the U.S.S. Maine Memorial at Merchant’s Gate, which is the southwest entrance to
Central
Park
in New York City, just off of Columbus Circle (which is at the intersection of Broadway, 8th Avenue, and 59th street).
Let’s start at the beginning. I am fairly new to the quest. I was introduced to The Secret when a Facebook friend linked to the Boing Boing article about James Renner and his documentary about The Secret. It piqued my interest and brought me to The Secret Wiki, a page containing partial solutions.
I want to emphasize that when I started, I was looking at information online and did not have a copy of the book. However, because I became interested, I have purchased a copy of the book, and I am now fully invested in this quest.
On the Secret Wiki front page is a list of the images and a “Status Grid” with partial solutions which may or may not be correct. Image 12 was suggested to correspond to New York City. As I used to live in New York and have some familiarity with it, but no familiarity with any of the other cities suggested as a solution, I started there to see if I agreed that Image #12 really represented New York. I do.
These are the reasons Image #12 represents New York:
A) The Square Shaped Clock indicates Times Square.
B) The face on the woman looks like the Statue of Liberty’s face.
C) The coordinate 74 (clearly) and 41 (probably, but less clear) are located in the waves. It just so happens that the coordinates of the final location that I will lead you to in New York are  40.768326, -73.980871.
In hindsight, those are the only clues which are generic to New York and are not specific to the treasure location.
The following Link should take you to Mediafire. I have posted a picture of Image #12 with red letters positioned on the picture, corresponding to the clues I mention both here and later in the discussion.
https://www.mediafire.com/?6kk7pl93m2n3tbg
There are also some clues specific to which one of the treasures goes with the image, but these clues are of no help with the location process.
D) A Blue Topaz is pictured below the woman.
E) The time on the clock is 11:00. Eleven represents November. Topaz is November’s Birthstone.
F) The flower in her hand is Chrysanthemum, which is the birth flower for November.
G) The Church depicted is NOT in New York. It is the Church of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary, situated on the banks of the Neva River in St. Petersburg, Russia. On page 21 of The Secret, in the Litany of the Jewels, the book states, “A Topaz is the Russian prize: The royal sunstone, frozen fire.” The church is a Russian Church to indicate the Russian prize. It is blue like a Topaz to indicate the jewel. Again, this is a clue about the treasure itself, not its location.
Here is a picture of the church:
http://www.mediafire.com/view/veidj3vcj5uev3d/Assumption.jpg
On the Secret Wiki Status Grid and on the Image #12 page, there is discordant information about the appropriate verse. The Status grid claims that Verse #10 is correct. On the Image #12 page, Sonoran claims that Verse #6 is correct, but thinks it refers to the Alexander Holley Monument in Washington Square
park
. I had to figure out which was the true verse and location on my own. The correct verse is Verse #6, but Sonoran is wrong about the location.
To review what I posted previously, so that the entire solution is consolidated into one place (with some updates/editing) here is the solution to Verse #6:
Of all the romance retold
Men of tales and tunes
Cruel and bold
Seen here
Refers to Broadway Musicals in New York City. Start on Broadway.
A note about how I interpret Byron Preiss clues. Some of his clues are quotes from literature. They imply a feature we are supposed to figure out, but are not intended to be used as a direct quote or to purely be true to the source material. For example, a quote from Treasure Island does not mean we have to be on an Island (although Manhattan is an island) or that we have to be dealing with pirates. Romance, tales, and tunes can mean Broadway shows.
By eyes of old
I’ll get back to this one. It becomes clear later in the verse.
Stand and listen to the birds
Lots of pigeons on statues in New York. Indicates we are looking for a public
park
with a monument/statue.
There is a monument in the center of Columbus Circle, where Broadway intersects 8th Avenue and 59th Street. (That is not the correct place. But it is on the way, so lets go there first to work it out and see if the solution becomes more obvious.)
Hear the cool, clear song of water.
Oops, no fountain at the monument on Columbus Circle. But what is that right across the street at the southwest entrance to
Central
Park
? A monument with fountains on it? Yes! Let’s cross the street and look at the U.S.S. Maine National Monument.
Here is a picture:
http://www.mediafire.com/view/aeq1dr69h8kjg2m/IMG_2421.jpg
Harken to the words:
Freedom at the birth of a century
To be honest, I don’t know what “Freedom at the birth of a century” means. But even without this clue, the subsequent clues prove me right.
Or May 1913
The U.S.S. Maine National Monument was dedicated May 30, 1913
Edwin and Edwina named after him
This is a quote from the book “Abroad in America” about someone named Edward Blyden. Again, I believe Byron Preiss used literary references to imply things – that we are talking about someone named Edward. I do not think he intended to require that the source material must be used literally to fulfill the clue. (For example a quote from Herman Melville was meant to lead to Hermann
Park
in Houston, not necessarily leading to whatever the exact words of the quote were about.)
Instead, this quote about someone named Edward refers to the building at 2 Columbus Circle designed by the famous architect EDWARD Durrell Stone.
We are in the right place.
Or on the eighth a scene
Where are we again? The intersection of Broadway, with EIGHTH Avenue and 59th Street. We are still in the right place.
Now I will explain “By eyes of old”: One side of the USS Maine National Monument has a young figure representing the Pacific Ocean (discovered later),
http://www.mediafire.com/view/5xaaz6s9dnqd7od/IMG_2430.jpg
the other side has an old figure, representing the Atlantic Ocean (known to European explorers first).
http://www.mediafire.com/view/wifm5sdg3990svc/Atlantic.jpg
The verse is indicating to go toward the side of the monument with the older figure.
Where law defended
Between two arms extended
Now here is where it gets tricky. There are actually 3 figures on this monument who have two arms extended.
In the front are a young boy named Victory
http://www.mediafire.com/view/witufrfoa7peku2/IMG_2420.jpg
and a woman named Courage.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/4jz3o8pvgdmphfo/IMG_2419.jpg
In the back is a woman named Justice.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/usszgd5z3lj4y9q/IMG_2431.jpg
Justice is more likely to be a defender of law. Also, old Atlantic Ocean is looking backwards at Justice, not forwards towards Victory and Courage. So Justice is seen here by eyes of old.
Below the bar that binds
A literary way of saying a sand bar binding a ship. The front of the Monument is sculpted into the prow of a ship.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/aeq1dr69h8kjg2m/IMG_2421.jpg
At the rear of the monument is a sandy area. This could almost be considered to look like a ship caught on a sand bar.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/lo2e3sd9kjx3wj2/IMG_2423.jpg
Beside the long palm’s shadow
There is a plaque is on the monument between the old Atlantic Ocean figure and the rear-facing Justice. Several copies of this plaque were stamped out and affixed to several USS Maine memorials across the country. There is a long palm frond on the plaque.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/yglbdolz53p8iqp/IMG_2435.jpg
Alternate Solution:
Justice has her right hand partially clenched and her left hand more open.  Her left/our right is the long palm.   That is the side closer to the old Atlantic Ocean figure, and to the plaque too.  So it all fits.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/7zubwpw612mot8n/Justice.jpg
Either way, we want to know what is below that plaque.
What about the figures with outstretched arms in front? Victory has both hands clenched.  Courage has both hands open.  The phrase long palm does not distinguish which side to dig on, if you are looking at the front figures.
Embedded in the sand
Again, there is a sandy area at the rear of the monument instead of having the marble sidewalks go all the way around. This is where to dig.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/zxrs2w8z07nh0u6/IMG_2440.jpg
and
http://www.mediafire.com/view/xqp3er4o938v62t/IMG_2441.jpg
Waits the Fair remuneration
Here is where the prize is. Dig in the sand under the plaque in between Justice and the Atlantic Ocean.
White house close at hand.
A distractor to make you think of Washington DC. The building 262
Central
Park
West is also known as the White House. We are at the southwest corner of
Central
Park
, not too far from the building.
But now that we are at that location, I promised you some additional visual confirmation. So here are the additional clues.
H) The bottom of the dress of the woman in the painting is in the shape of the northern and eastern borders of Maine, if Maine were rotated upside down.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/10o0mc8nzo55clz/MaineDress.jpg
I) Look closely at the prow of the ship just below Victory. Our friendly eagle is NOT a generic New York clue from the Chrysler Building, but a specific confirmation that I am correct.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/5n6xgw4wmida2y3/IMG_2432.jpg
J) The same goes for the rectangle to the left of the Russian Church. There are 4 of these pylons located on the site. That is NOT a world trade center, as some have suggested. It IS a feature of the U.S.S. Maine memorial. 2 of the pylons have doors that are green with age. 2 are still black
http://www.mediafire.com/view/mg8emdutklmt3rc/IMG_2425.jpg
K) It is a little hard to see because my photos are taken from below Justice, who has her arms up. Instead, the painting has her arms down so you see the hands from the front. But the finger positioning on the “two arms extended” of Justice matches the finger positioning in the painting.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/6vohng2ohgds77w/IMG_2439-2.jpg
L) I also think the head of one of the horses from the top of the monument can be seen in the waves. This is not as clear-cut as the other clues.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/zztpc6e6w18bbga/Horses.jpg
M) I know Byron Preiss said that only the Pictures and Verses mattered. I know that the rest of the book is not *supposed* to contain clues. But could Page 67 of The Secret make it any more clear about the fact that Mr. Preiss found this location to be interesting and spent some time here when planning the book?
http://www.mediafire.com/view/lzmk84rvcsov8o9/IMG_2415.jpg
I rest my case.
P.S. I noticed page 67 after I got my copy of the book, which was AFTER I had already decided that this was the location. But it was a nice confirmatory element.

Poking around this site today in an effort to help my friend Egbert and his upcoming St Augustine search. Sometimes I forget how many really smart people have done so much work on this site already. When I referred to DocZ’s theory as new I was obviously wrong. This USS Maine Memorial/Columbus Circle theory has been presented before as I saw a link dating back to 2009. I apologize for not seeing that before my earlier post.

…and take a look at the roofline on the building on the right. could that be the blurb object in the dogleg lapel pin?!

Sorry adoks53, I am referring to image12 and Battery Park NY, which I thought was going to be casque #3 a few months back.  The BLURB is image9.

not a problem boogieman, but just take a look at it anyway. my theory is it ties together with the “old lady pic” and wash. sq. park in nyc. now, i’m lookin for a dogleg in manhattan. really…

Wow.  I can’t believe I finally found this pic.  It’s from the 63rd floor of Tower One at the old WTC.  Funny, all of our offices were on 62 to 72nd floors. Chilling…  I’m guessing it’s from the 80’s because Battery Park City, on right, hasn’t been built up yet.  You can see tiny Washington St by the tunnel entrance.  Lane 2/22, or
In the shadow
of the grey giant
?
The Saint Elizabeth Ann Seton landmark is to the south, and the Peter Minuit Plaza, the actual spot where New Amsterdam was bought from the indians, just feet away from her.

OK. I’m real close to NY and always listening.

another idea…..since the “time” is on a square (in the image)………Times square
and the new york times  was called “the grey lady”

Yes and the only visible numbers in the picture seem to be 74 and 41 (14) — which would be two of the coordinates that bound NYC.

In the wave/seafoam form… that looks like a chinese foo dog statue to me…
what would be the toes on the bottom foot on the right… looks like a 1  to me  with a 5 just a little further right
so we could have a 1, 5, or 15

regulus

look at image 12, to the left of Lady Liberty is a picture of a grey rectangle, (grey giant?)

Most of us have stared at that enough to make it take any shape we wanted it to.  Yeah, we saw it.
Read the verse10 thread and you’ll know.  If you want to match that verse to NY, we’ve come close to Brooklyn but nothing solid.
But hey, a fresh set of eyes on this could help.  As always Reg, any idea here could possibly crack this thing.

The next possible location is Shore Rd. Park.
Stone
wall Jackson (him of Hard word?) lived in Bay Ridge (this area),
but I don’t know if his house is designated with a sign.
Ft. Hamilton High School is nearby.
The Veterans’ Pier is an arm which extends over the slender path (Narrows).
We would have to find a tree for a visual clue.

The pier is at the west end of Bay Ridge Ave. (Whirring sound – fishing reels…?)
Approx 22 blocks east takes you to the other end, just north of Seth Low Playground on a site once called Indian Pond. Seth became mayor in 1881. As president of Columbia University, he established the Low Library in memory of his father Ariel Abbot Low.
http://www.nycgovparks.org/parks/B100/highlights/12584

Then again, with the 74 (perhaps longitude) in the water, maybe this is the obvious (New York or nearby).

GoldenMartyr

I always thought the numbers that you believe are on the clock are actually Palencar’s signature.
Also, a lot of people see very small numbers and letters throughout this image but nobody ever discusses the large UN. What could we possibly match the letters UN to that is unique to NYC?

I know there is another group of searchers going the “UN” route. There is a unique obelisk across the street from UN Headquarters that has a ‘doorway’. Any other ideas, since you’ve brought it up?

As I happen to agree with Egbert, here’s why I think Vancouver is a strong contender:
– It’s the Russian picture, and the Pacific NW coast is the obvious area of Russian settlement.
– Vancouver (Vancouver Island, actually) is mentioned on page 24 in the book.  Several other specific mentions in the same section have been clearly tied to suspected casque locations (even in some cases implying which picture goes with which location), so that raises the likelihood that Vancouver fits into the same pattern.
– Picture #9 is, to me, much more closely tied to NY.  I strongly doubt that two are in the same city.
– Bumping my own old post, check out the following pictures.  These are Holy Resurrection Russian Orthodox church, and may be coincidental, but they look pretty good.  I’m perfectly willing to believe, as I posted before, that the silhouette is not an actual building, but is the “Old Russia” tag on the image.
http://www.pbase.com/reyeslp/image/39825299
http://www.pbase.com/reyeslp/image/39825286
That’s why I’m thinking Vancouver.  I do think there’s one in NY, just not this one.
Pine

Egbert

http://www.holyres.org/eng.htm
Go to “Photo Albums” “Sobor Views”
Also go to “Church History” “The construction of the new Church” and “External Views of the present Church”

Boogieman, take a look at the link above, and follow the instructions which I included below it.  I think that the Church in Vancouver is an exact match with the one in Image 12.  Also, the bird on the Harding monument appears to be the one in Image 12.

I see what your saying Egg, it’s just not enough for me right now.  Take a look at this right by the Battery NY:
http://www.exploitz.com/pictures/4386/index.php?pix=9
These kind of images are all over the continent.  I think we need more to go to Vancouver.
Edit: Castle Clinton
http://www.houseoftheorangemonkey.co.uk … 630203.htm

Pine tree, image 12 says NYC as loud as it can. (I think Jersey) You have 1 WTC, you have Ellis Island, and The Statue Of Liberty face.  You have Eagles all over the place.  I’m looking at Vancouver. What does it have ?  It doesn’t have a rectangular building that looks like a Twin Tower?  Red herring?  Can’t be.  That # 74 is real.    This should have been found way before Chicago i!(yeah, right)  Really, what’s in image12 that would point towards Vancouver?  I’ve seen arches every where.  Surfers, domes, eagles, waves, but nothing Canadian. What image suggests Canada? Beats me.
edit:Man, I gotta lay off the sauce!

Hey Slappy, check this out.
Start with Brooklyn, add an eagle, what do you get…?
The
Brooklyn Eagle
, a newspaper which ran for over 100 years – Walt Whitman was editor at one time.
Here’s the good bit. You know Owl’s Head Park was built on land owned by our “rhapsodic man” Mr Bliss…? Well, guess who he bought it from…?
Henry Murphy
, founder of the Brooklyn Eagle. Senator Street is named after him.
http://www.forgotten-ny.com/SLICES/shor … .road.html
* * * * * * * * * *
Eliphalet W Bliss (EWB) is immortalised on these railings.
I thought that if this was the right location, there might be a “EWB/WEB” clue. Now, there are several possible Venus links. (Mythology of Venus born of the sea-foam a-la Botticelli, possible Audrey Munson match on the Manhattan Bridge, and Liberty – copper is the astrological metal of Venus.) So I thought, maybe, web…flytrap…
venus flytrap
…?
slende
r pat
h
The fence design reminds me of the JJP sketch at the beginning of the book. Simple roots…fence-posts…?

drunknerds

Fun solve!
Why is Fort Wadsworth a gray giant?

It is a Grey giant because of the 226 acres it covered and was largely constructed of masonry before the era of red stone started being used at military installations.
The British took over the Fort in 1776. And what is known today as Fort Wadsworth was first fortified by the British in 1779. They held this prime defensive location for the rest of the Revolutionary War. That is why I believe the word Grey is spelled with the British version in the Verse.
Also of note, Bay Street runs from Fort Wadsworth passed the Clarence Barrett Triangle.

gManTexas

I agree with you, nice fun solve. Why is Fort Wadsworth important and why is it the grey giant? Doesn’t look too giant to me.

It is not Important to the solve or puzzle but very important to our country’s history and to Staten Island. And as I mentioned in the other response it covers a great deal of land on both sides of Verrazano-Narrows Bridge, 226 acres. It also is connected to the Barrett Triangle via Bay Street.

NYCNative

It was a good read, nice try, but i find it to be highly unlikely. Does not match the theme of the puzzle and its historical figures, and the same mistake is being made where the whole verse revolves around one figure, and he is of low importance, even to Staten Island.

Until someone digs up the casque we will never know.
I’m curious as to why you think it’s highly unlikely. Don’t you want to ride the Barrett Wave with me? What is the theme of the puzzle in your opinion? From what I’ve studied, Barrett is a significant historical figure in Staten Island history who has not been highly recognized.
All I can say is what I’ve said before, if our NY diggers don’t find it in my dig spot, I hope they find it in yours…good luck.

Okay, let’s have a little fun in New York. I have come up with a solve that I have not seen anywhere before. I know a lot of you are involved on the other side of the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge. I’m in Staten Island.
VERSE 10
In the shadow
– close to
Of the Grey giant
– Fort Wadsworth
I first thought this could be the Statue of Liberty but she’s not grey. Then I realized the “G” was capitalized and the spelling was British and not American, gray. The Grey Giant is Fort Wadsworth, not the SOL or Verrazano-Narrows Bridge.
Find the arm that
– Clarence T. Barrett’s right arm
Extends over the slender path
– narrow set of stairs
The set of stairs is just to the left in this photo.
http://www.bing.com/images/search?view= … ajaxhist=0
In summer
You’ll often hear a whirring sound
– Helicopter tours common during summertime
I agree with the Wiki on this point.
Cars abound
– Traffic on Bay Street next to Clarence Barrett Triangle
Although the sign
– A sign about the Wanamaker Indian Memorial to be built
Nearby
– Fort Tompkins inside Fort Wadsworth
Speaks of Indies native
– American Indian
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view … ajaxhist=0
The natives still speak
– Staten Islanders
Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.
– Clarence T. Barrett
The Memorial Statue of Clarence T. Barrett which sits in the Barrett Triangle was donated by Julia Oliva HARDIN who was the trustee for Barrett’s wife Anna. So Julia Hardin is the “Hard” in this line of the verse. The part “word in 3 Vols.” refers to Barrett being a volunteer. At the time of the Civil War he volunteered for the 175 New York Volunteers Regiment. After that he became a Captain of the United States Volunteers. Once the war was over he wanted to get back to public service and was Police Commisioner and then a Superintendent for the Poor.
Take twice as many east steps as the hour
– The hour on the clock is 11:00 so take 22 steps
Or more
– depending on your stride could be more than 22 steps
From the middle of one branch
– The Northern part of the Barrett statue base
Of the v
– The Barrett Memorial has a Triangular marble base with a water fountain on the backside
Look down
And see simple roots
– Landscaping with bushes on the right
In rhapsodic man’s soil
– Clarence Barrett Triangle
Or gaze north
– look North
Toward the isle of B.
– towards Liberty Island
Basically saying if you look North, you wont’ see anything to dig, just sidewalk and street.
IMAGE 12
——————
Let’s get the obvious out of the way.
The bird is the
Ellis Island stone bird
as indicated by Wiki. The
Statue of Liberty
goes without saying.
As for the window, the colored dots seem to represent reflections of common things in New York. The lighter blue dots being the sky, darker blue dots being the Upper Bay, and the redish dots being the Red Sandstone buildings around the area.
This is the backside of the Clarence Barrett Memorial:
http://www.bing.com/images/search?view= … ajaxhist=0
It is important because from this angle you can see the St. George Library across the street. This is where the statue was located originally until moved to the triangle. Notice the
windows on the Library
that are similar to the one in Image 12. Also notice the purple color above the tan color in one of the window images behind the seagull. This is representing the two different colors of the Library building itself, although not completely matched in color this is what I believe it to be.
The bottom left window sure looks like one of the
World Trade Center Towers
to me. Could be one of the Towers of Verazzano-Narrows Bridge.
The one next to that is the
Main Building at Ellis Island.
The window behind the SOL head is basically dead air, nothing important.
I have not been able to find a clock that looks exactly like this one but here is the clock across the street from the Barrett Statue:
http://www.bing.com/images/search?view= … ajaxhist=0
There is a clock on the East and West sides of that Tower which can be seen from the Barrett Triangle. This is the Staten Island Borough Hall:
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view … ajaxhist=0
Why I looked to this area in the first place.
If you line up the Ellis Island Seagull face with the Statue of Liberty and run a line down thru the jewel in Image 12 you would continue on to Staten Island on a map. If you turn her upside down you can see the resemblance of Staten Island in the SOL’s garment. Then I started looking around in the streets for the “Tiger/Lion/Mask” face in SOL’s garment. I looked at buildings, boats, anything on the street that resembled artwork and out of nowhere I saw this:
http://www.bing.com/images/search?view= … ajaxhist=0
The bottom of the Memorial for Clarence Barrett jumped out at me. I covered the bottom part of the mouth hole with my finger and realized I had it, the image on her garment. One thing led to another and I realized I had my solve.
The SOL’s garments have the same qualities of Clarence Barrett’s warrior garment. Her arms out stretched are making a triangular shape from her head to her hands and this is important because it signifies the shape of the base of the Barrett Memorial pedestal.
The Wave
This was the coolest realization of all, the Wave in Image 12 is a Bus Stop Shelter on Bay Street on the other side of the Barrett Triangle. And the stairs to the rightside of the Bus Shelter are the “slender path” in Verse 10.
http://www.bing.com/images/search?view= … ajaxhist=0
http://www.bing.com/images/search?view= … ajaxhist=0
The Clarence Barrett statue is on the other side of this bus shelter. And as you can see in Image 12 the jewel is above the Wave so this lets us know that the casque is buried above the wave.
So as you look at this angle of the Barrett Triangle, the stairs are to the left. Barrett is pointing to the North.
http://www.bing.com/images/search?view= … ajaxhist=0
If you stand at the back left side of the statue, that “v” is your starting point. Go 22 steps East or more. The or more comes from the fact that the stairs are long and flat, some people may take long strides and get there in 22 steps while others will be careful on the longer steps and take shorter strides resulting in the “Or more”. The bottom stair will bring you to the edge of the landscape bed that is at the back of the Barrett Triangle and essentially on top of the Wave ( Bus Stop shelter ).
Look down to see simple roots. Simple roots are the landscaped bushes and also simple roots represents a cool fact about Clarence Barrett. At one time he operated a plant nursery at what is now known as the Clarence T. Barrett Park Zoo. He was definitely a rhapsodic man as he was enthusiastic in much of his life.
And of course if you look away from the dig spot you would be gazing to the North where there is sidewalks, streets and buildings.
To really get a good look at my solve go into google earth and check out Clarence Barrett Triangle on Staten Island. It will show much more detail than I can find in photos. Enjoy…
Go get it NY diggers, best of luck if you decide to check it out.

Okay, let’s have a little fun in New York. I have come up with a solve that I have not seen anywhere before. I know a lot of you are involved on the other side of the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge. I’m in Staten Island.
VERSE 10
In the shadow
– close to
Of the Grey giant
– Fort Wadsworth
I first thought this could be the Statue of Liberty but she’s not grey. Then I realized the “G” was capitalized and the spelling was British and not American, gray. The Grey Giant is Fort Wadsworth, not the SOL or Verrazano-Narrows Bridge.
Find the arm that
– Clarence T. Barrett’s right arm
Extends over the slender path
– narrow set of stairs
The set of stairs is just to the left in this photo.
http://www.bing.com/images/search?view= … ajaxhist=0
In summer
You’ll often hear a whirring sound
– Helicopter tours common during summertime
I agree with the Wiki on this point.
Cars abound
– Traffic on Bay Street next to Clarence Barrett Triangle
Although the sign
– A sign about the Wanamaker Indian Memorial to be built
Nearby
– Fort Tompkins inside Fort Wadsworth
Speaks of Indies native
– American Indian
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view … ajaxhist=0
The natives still speak
– Staten Islanders
Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.
– Clarence T. Barrett
The Memorial Statue of Clarence T. Barrett which sits in the Barrett Triangle was donated by Julia Oliva HARDIN who was the trustee for Barrett’s wife Anna. So Julia Hardin is the “Hard” in this line of the verse. The part “word in 3 Vols.” refers to Barrett being a volunteer. At the time of the Civil War he volunteered for the 175 New York Volunteers Regiment. After that he became a Captain of the United States Volunteers. Once the war was over he wanted to get back to public service and was Police Commisioner and then a Superintendent for the Poor.
Take twice as many east steps as the hour
– The hour on the clock is 11:00 so take 22 steps
Or more
– depending on your stride could be more than 22 steps
From the middle of one branch
– The Northern part of the Barrett statue base
Of the v
– The Barrett Memorial has a Triangular marble base with a water fountain on the backside
Look down
And see simple roots
– Landscaping with bushes on the right
In rhapsodic man’s soil
– Clarence Barrett Triangle
Or gaze north
– look North
Toward the isle of B.
– towards Liberty Island
Basically saying if you look North, you wont’ see anything to dig, just sidewalk and street.
IMAGE 12
——————
Let’s get the obvious out of the way.
The bird is the
Ellis Island stone bird
as indicated by Wiki. The
Statue of Liberty
goes without saying.
As for the window, the colored dots seem to represent reflections of common things in New York. The lighter blue dots being the sky, darker blue dots being the Upper Bay, and the redish dots being the Red Sandstone buildings around the area.
This is the backside of the Clarence Barrett Memorial:
http://www.bing.com/images/search?view= … ajaxhist=0
It is important because from this angle you can see the St. George Library across the street. This is where the statue was located originally until moved to the triangle. Notice the
windows on the Library
that are similar to the one in Image 12. Also notice the purple color above the tan color in one of the window images behind the seagull. This is representing the two different colors of the Library building itself, although not completely matched in color this is what I believe it to be.
The bottom left window sure looks like one of the
World Trade Center Towers
to me. Could be one of the Towers of Verazzano-Narrows Bridge.
The one next to that is the
Main Building at Ellis Island.
The window behind the SOL head is basically dead air, nothing important.
I have not been able to find a clock that looks exactly like this one but here is the clock across the street from the Barrett Statue:
http://www.bing.com/images/search?view= … ajaxhist=0
There is a clock on the East and West sides of that Tower which can be seen from the Barrett Triangle. This is the Staten Island Borough Hall:
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view … ajaxhist=0
Why I looked to this area in the first place.
If you line up the Ellis Island Seagull face with the Statue of Liberty and run a line down thru the jewel in Image 12 you would continue on to Staten Island on a map. If you turn her upside down you can see the resemblance of Staten Island in the SOL’s garment. Then I started looking around in the streets for the “Tiger/Lion/Mask” face in SOL’s garment. I looked at buildings, boats, anything on the street that resembled artwork and out of nowhere I saw this:
http://www.bing.com/images/search?view= … ajaxhist=0
The bottom of the Memorial for Clarence Barrett jumped out at me. I covered the bottom part of the mouth hole with my finger and realized I had it, the image on her garment. One thing led to another and I realized I had my solve.
The SOL’s garments have the same qualities of Clarence Barrett’s warrior garment. Her arms out stretched are making a triangular shape from her head to her hands and this is important because it signifies the shape of the base of the Barrett Memorial pedestal.
The Wave
This was the coolest realization of all, the Wave in Image 12 is a Bus Stop Shelter on Bay Street on the other side of the Barrett Triangle. And the stairs to the rightside of the Bus Shelter are the “slender path” in Verse 10.
http://www.bing.com/images/search?view= … ajaxhist=0
http://www.bing.com/images/search?view= … ajaxhist=0
The Clarence Barrett statue is on the other side of this bus shelter. And as you can see in Image 12 the jewel is above the Wave so this lets us know that the casque is buried above the wave.
So as you look at this angle of the Barrett Triangle, the stairs are to the left. Barrett is pointing to the North.
http://www.bing.com/images/search?view= … ajaxhist=0
If you stand at the back left side of the statue, that “v” is your starting point. Go 22 steps East or more. The or more comes from the fact that the stairs are long and flat, some people may take long strides and get there in 22 steps while others will be careful on the longer steps and take shorter strides resulting in the “Or more”. The bottom stair will bring you to the edge of the landscape bed that is at the back of the Barrett Triangle and essentially on top of the Wave ( Bus Stop shelter ).
Look down to see simple roots. Simple roots are the landscaped bushes and also simple roots represents a cool fact about Clarence Barrett. At one time he operated a plant nursery at what is now known as the Clarence T. Barrett
Park
Zoo. He was definitely a rhapsodic man as he was enthusiastic in much of his life.
And of course if you look away from the dig spot you would be gazing to the North where there is sidewalks, streets and buildings.
To really get a good look at my solve go into google earth and check out Clarence Barrett Triangle on Staten Island. It will show much more detail than I can find in photos. Enjoy…
Go get it NY diggers, best of luck if you decide to check it out.

Fun solve!
Why is Fort Wadsworth a gray giant?

wow! That is very thorough.

drunknerds

Fun solve!
Why is Fort Wadsworth a gray giant?

I agree with you, nice fun solve. Why is Fort Wadsworth important and why is it the grey giant? Doesn’t look too giant to me.

MrBackstop

It is a Grey giant because of the 226 acres it covered and was largely constructed of masonry before the era of red stone started being used at military installations.
The British took over the Fort in 1776. And what is known today as Fort Wadsworth was first fortified by the British in 1779. They held this prime defensive location for the rest of the Revolutionary War. That is why I believe the word Grey is spelled with the British version in the Verse.

The logic is sound, but like many clues it can be applied to a LOT of locations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: … ted_States
Most forts get pretty big. I assume many forts were built with gray stone.
That’s the underlying issue why a lot of these proposed solves don’t gain much traction. There are grey giants everywhere, there are arms everywhere, etc. It’s simple enough to construct a series of nearby locations that sort-of fit the clues. It’s fun, too, which is another reason why this hunt is so popular.
This is why spotting an exact image match in a real location gets people so excited: There are far, far fewer exact image matches than there are creative verse interpretations.

That said, I always enjoying reading a well-thought out solution

MrBackstop

I’m curious as to why you think it’s highly unlikely. Don’t you want to ride the Barrett Wave with me? What is the theme of the puzzle in your opinion? From what I’ve studied, Barrett is a significant historical figure in Staten Island history who has not been highly recognized.
All I can say is what I’ve said before, if our NY diggers don’t find it in my dig spot, I hope they find it in yours…good luck.

The problem is you seem to want the verse all to point to one figure, Barrett, even using his wife names to spell out hard, which is reaching very far. He is not at all an important figure in SI, there is really no connection from the image or verses that match with Barrett at all. Saying he was enthusiastic most of his life thus rhapsodic is also just adding to the confirmation bias. In the solves we do know we see Lincoln, Mozart, Beethoven, even possibly Louis Armstrong…all historical figures that everyone knows and that pops out to the reader. Nobody even in SI knows who Barrett is, and if you didn’t google him, neither would you. Like you said, he is not highly recognized. These casques seem to be in major parks, and not just a single lonely monument out in the middle of no where. If this was 1982, you would not reference Barrett at all. The whole theory should not be revolving around one figure that has low significant historical value. Even the natives of SI wouldn’t know, so how would anyone else?
Like I said, nice try, good read, but highly unlikely and I wouldn’t waste anytime going to SI at all!

Here is a good picture of the Wave Bus Stop before it was covered in graffiti. Go about halfway down the page and there is a side by side of the St. George Library where the original sight for the statue across the street from where it is today. The stairs coming down on the right side is where the 22 steps would lead and the dig spot is right behind the bus stop shelter on the left of the stairs.
http://apeshall.blogspot.com/2013/03/be … angle.html

gManTexas

I agree with you, nice fun solve. Why is Fort Wadsworth important and why is it the grey giant? Doesn’t look too giant to me.

It was a good read, nice try, but i find it to be highly unlikely. Does not match the theme of the puzzle and its historical figures, and the same mistake is being made where the whole verse revolves around one figure, and he is of low importance, even to Staten Island.

we could say the woman is symbolizing manhattan, new york……….and find the arm that extends over the slender path……..the manhattan bridge (with my buffalo), and from there go straight to prospect park
scratch all that, i’m back to herman melville, look at this quote from him:
“A man thinks that by mouthing hard words he understands hard things.”
and he wrote typee, omoo, and mardi……….all about sailors
i swear moby dick is the face of our bird, that bird has teeth
http://listsoplenty.com/blog/?p=8402
http://www.flickr.com/photos/70323761@N00/2373108796/
http://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives … yn+Wire%29
and he was a native new yorker

we could say the woman is symbolizing manhattan, new york……….and find the arm that extends over the slender path……..the manhattan bridge (with my buffalo), and from there go straight to prospect
park
scratch all that, i’m back to herman melville, look at this quote from him:
“A man thinks that by mouthing hard words he understands hard things.”
and he wrote typee, omoo, and mardi……….all about sailors
i swear moby dick is the face of our bird, that bird has teeth
http://listsoplenty.com/blog/?p=8402
http://www.flickr.com/photos/70323761@N00/2373108796/
http://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives … yn+Wire%29
and he was a native new yorker

I sent a message to an expert in American Islamic architecture about the minarets in the window panel. He wrote back within hours stating, “The picture is of the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn, Michigan, inaugurated in May 2005.” Of course it isn’t, but I do think this is a good strategy. Perhaps we should identify people more familiar with NYC mosques and ask them if they recognize it. At least one should recognize this structure, surely!

boogieman

…… will be in a museum one day, along with a casque I dig up in NY.

hmmmmm, if the key no longer works since you have a new fleet….then would I be correct in assuming the cars have changed as well?  So you COULD swing one for us
Just be sure to post Fragile on the package….a damaged subway car would do us no good.  lol

If I had the money my friend, I would happily take another trip to the Apple to dig up another casque….and my family (probably) wouldn’t laugh at me.  Last week, my son took the NY Subway key you gave him to school for show and tell… all his friends thought it was sooooooo cool!  Maybe
if we get up there again to help you dig, you could swing a subway car to go along with the key….
Go out and dig this thing up my friend…with or without your family.

. Those keys are out of service now.  We have a whole new fleet.  A key like that will be in a museum one day, along with a casque I dig up in NY.

Similar to San francisco image, NYC image has arched top frame. As in SF, I think this is an important clue to the puzzle; either start or destination. In NYC case it may be Chrysler building, grey giant. It fits the clues of being between diamond district and east river. Also the eagle gargoyle.

with FB here.  this seems to be an orthodox church to me.  Thinking we have probably already located said church (ie…
http://www.lisawhiteman.com/pictures/ny … bsnow2.jpg
) but we just dont have the right perspective.
think back to the Milwaukee bldg.  People thought..yeah, that looks kind of like it but what about..?  Then a pic was found online from the exact same perspective and viola….EXACT match.

Fox, do we know where this church is located exactly?

I doubt this is the one. The small and large minarets (?) differ too much in size for it to be the same one that’s in Image 12, and
we can’t see through the base of the large minaret like you can in the Image. Same style though, and I can easily see how a similar
church might fit the bill.

So, I found some pics of JPJ Park in Brooklyn.  I tried fitting the pebble/mosaic parts of image 12 to the many cannonballs in the park, but I didn’t find anything solid.  The grey square with the red-outlined grey rectangle is similar to some things I saw in the pics of JPJ Park.  They’re not great matches – the proportions aren’t perfect, and I don’t see any red outlines.
First, the bit from image 12:
Look at the base of the obelisk:
Look right behind the park bench in the bottom center of the pic:

Anything with this building?
http://www.harbordefensemuseum.com/

hey trohn…nice arches or what! now if we could just rotate the image to get a better look at the stones in those arches… happy huntin’!

Maybe the line in V10 “gaze north-towards the isle of B”, with the B being Brooklyn (birth place of BP), could be talking about an isle
belonging
to B, or Brooklyn.  Coney Island could be the isle of Brooklyn.

I don’t recall if I posted this here.  I had tried looking down this list of Russian Orthodox churches in New York
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/ocf/getdirectory.html
Ended up with this one church
http://www.forgotten-ny.com/STREET%20SC … thodox.jpg
McCarren Park
Bedford Ave and N 12th St,
Lorimer & Driggs Ave
Brooklyn, NY
but it’s not a perfect match, just an example of what you can find if you keep digging.

clocks:
http://www.forgotten-ny.com/SLICES/clocks2/clocks.html
hmm, tiffanys clock is on atlas’s shoulders, stained glass….and i just mentioned (somewhere here) what if it is showing atlas, the world on it s shoulder
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/ … ready.html

I promise to use some digital magic and apply a color filter, then post a higher res version of the resulting blob so that nobody needs 3D glasses.
Gimme a little time and I will try to scan it this weekend.

Lots of opinions on this one, which is good, but, if in fact FB is right, we’ll lose ground on this if anyone gives up on a solid idea, the only real idea on this image so far. If there was a longtitude and latitude, it would be a little easier. We need everyone to find just one. I beg all of you to keep trying on this being in NYC and churches possibly being involved.
On that note, check out this wild coincidense, or is it?  Schroll down and read the caption under the pic of St. Nicholas Church, NYC.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= … D%26sa%3DN

If you take a look at page 5 of this thread, you will see posts by me and Siskel regarding this pic and NYC.  We have been all over, have visited every onion-domed church in NYC and Brooklyn, and nothing matches the pic exactly.
I also believe that this is Vancouver — somewhere on these boards is a complete discussion of all of the tie-ins.  There is even an onion-domed church there.  It makes sense, because one of the treasures is supposed to be in Canada, and this is the only possibility which has a connection.  I do believe that a treasure is in NYC, but I don’t think it connects with this pic.  I believe it is the Dutch-looking gnome pic which is NYC, and there has also been a discussion about that (regarding NYC’s Dutch connection, and the reference in the beginning of the book to the Canarsie tribe).  If anyone is able to locate these threads, it would be appreciated if you could post where they are.  I could not find them.
Of course, this is all conjecture, and until a treasure is found in NYC or Vancouver, no one on these boards knows the true answer.

Can’t find the thread but I remeber it. Valid points as well. So… image9 or image 12 for NYC.  Egg, have you looked at this church? (image9)
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= … D%26sa%3DN
I’m sure you have.  It’s a Dutch structure. Hmmm.  If you look at the NYC Municipal Building, it says NEW AMSTERDAM on it (Dutch) and one could relate that to image12 as well.
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q … a=N&tab=wi
We need lat. and long. on these.  Real tough to rule anything out.
ps: image3 has a 79 & 43 in it.  Those #s are definite, just may not be lat and long. If they are, that area is Niagara, both US and Canada.

erexere — I think we’ve established that there was a goose pond on the FOY premises at the time the casque was buried. Actual, honking geese *right there.*

forest_blight

erexere — I think we’ve established that there was a goose pond on the FOY premises at the time the casque was buried. Actual, honking geese *right there.*

Thank you FB, now you have forced my hand…I must put a tracker on a goose in FOY and see if it migrates to San Juan Island.

I have just two friends who actively play in the symphony.  One plays harp and the other is violin.  I also vendor with the Eugene Symphony office and I just asked them for their thoughts on the social graces with the use of the term ‘honk’ in reference to horn players.  Of course they agree with shecrab as it applies to classical musicians but interestingly it serves in an endearing capacity in jazz circles.
Aint that a hoot!

No sorry, Owls Hoot.

oh look there it is, in that hole,  next to that orange plastic fence on the right…

…just checked to see where “chry” comes from in chrysanthemum – apparently Greek chrysos, golden, or yellow.
The Chrysler building is an art deco icon. Don’t know much about art deco, but I’m wondering if that’s the overall style for the top panel, with its red-bordered grey panel, and “colour-blind” panels – art deco stained glass, maybe.
(Noticed another colour-blind person linked to the book…Twain…though I haven’t seen him connected with this casque.)

When I saw this bandshell in East River Park, it looked like the top of the arch in image 12.
(I know that it also resembles the arch of the Verrazano Bridge.)

When I saw this bandshell in East River
Park
, it looked like the top of the arch in image 12.
(I know that it also resembles the arch of the Verrazano Bridge.)

The Chrysler again…?
…Chry/Chrysanthemum/Chrysler/Cars…
I was trying to figure out what else this might be:
1) Wide, curving steps…?
2) A gap, with a view over water to an island…?

WhiteRabbit,
I like the Chrysler Building comparison.
I had been seeing a Madonna/Grotto in that same area.
Not quite seeing your  “gap with a view…”
Can you explain or show a more visual reference?
AP

…steps to the left, something like a mushroom-shape or cliff-edge to the right…? The arrowhead is in a “gap” between these foreground elements. (Just a random idea.)

Following the Prospect Park idea from my previous posts… (most of which are in the v10 section)
with a gray background and a dark rectangle… could that be an unadorned entrance to the Brooklyn Public Library?

Following the Prospect
Park
idea from my previous posts… (most of which are in the v10 section)
with a gray background and a dark rectangle… could that be an unadorned entrance to the Brooklyn Public Library?

Its interesting to look at the history of Russian immigration of Washington compared to other areas. Niche communities of Slavic peoples were prominent in West Coast communities from Seattle area to San Francisco, and NY had a heavy influx, higher in numbers but often less relative to other cultural numbers. Russian communities propagated in ways and at times that I have yet to fully understand but it seems that you can’t argue Washington is a good candidate for the Russian prize.

fox

here is an email from BP to FRSTPRZFA which she forwarded to me concerning a possible casque location in
Central
Park
.
—————————————————–
From:
To:
Subject: Re: Sorry to bother you.
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 8:08 PM
there is no treasure in
central
park
—————————————————-
drats, there goes my ideas….looks like we need to turn to other parts/parks of NYC

I don’t believe that this is all that correct.
I think
Central
Park
is the starting point in located the jewel.
http://www.centralpark2000.com/database/bethesda_fountain.html
Bethesda Terrace; Bethesda Fountain: C72
The Angel Of The Waters
[Unveiled 1873]
Sculpted: 1868
Sculptor: Emma Stebbins 1815-1882 • USA
Gift of New York City
Following is more quoted from the above page:
” this neoclassical
winged female figure symbolizes and
celebrates the purifying of the city’s
water supply when the Croton Aqueduct
opened in 1842 bringing fresh water to
all New Yorkers.
For this reason she
carries a lily, the symbol of purity in one
hand while her other hand extends
outward as she blesses the water below.
The stimulus for the idea of the
“Angel of the Waters” comes from the
Gospel of Saint John, Chapter 5, the
story of an angel bestowing healing
powers on the pool of Bethesda in
Jerusalem. Beneath the eight-foot
gilded bronze statue are four smaller
four-foot figures symbolizing Temperance,
Purity, Health, and Peace. The base of
the fountain was designed by Calvert Vaux
with detail work by Jacob Wrey Mould.”
Is it just me? Doesn’t this have a striking similarity to Image 12?
I underlined in bold above which gives me a strong impression about Image 12.
It may not be buried in
Central
Park
(or not?), but this leads me to believe that this
may
be the starting point.
Then again…..
In looking at Image 11…
The portal that is centered in that Image looks a 99% dead ringer for the circle path around that fountain.
Image 11 could well be a NYC location. No?
Study the Bethesda Terrace and the portal in Image 11. Striking resemblance.
http://www.wirednewyork.com/parks/centr … thesda.jpg
Notice the outlines in the terrace and the outlines with the portal (what I call it) in Image 11.
Map of
Central
Park
and the adjacent streets and some of the landmarks here:
http://www.centralpark.org/locator/cpcl … /cpl1.html
I would need to find a little more solid evidence in Image 11 for trully believe it is indeed NYC.
I don’t think that portal in Image 11 is necessarily a window portal. To me it appears more like a foot path around a fountain or statue.

Has anyone considered the bottom of the dress matching the north shore of Staten Island? It looks like a decent match to me. I am new to this board but have been researching on my own for a while. And I live in New York so if anyone needs anything from here please do ask. I don’t mind going to a location to do an observation and take some pictures or check out a site for a dig.

WhiteRabbit

I don’t think there are any generally accepted solutions to any of the unsolved casques, though I like that area. Although the parks have changed so much, I still think it’s possible someone might spot a previously unrecognised shape in one of the images that will help pinpoint a location.

Very true. I’m thinking of posting to Fort Hamilton alumni Facebook groups with little cropped pictures of the various window tiles and aspects of the dress and asking if anything looks familiar in that park area. I’m wondering if the black posts that had the lights were different than the ones in NYC today, but I don’t think they are because there are un-renovated parks from around that time with the same style of posts.

WhiteRabbit

I don’t think there are any generally accepted solutions to any of the unsolved casques, though I like that area. Although the parks have changed so much, I still think it’s possible someone might spot a previously unrecognised shape in one of the images that will help pinpoint a location.

Very true. I’m thinking of posting to Fort Hamilton alumni Facebook groups with little cropped pictures of the various window tiles and aspects of the dress and asking if anything looks familiar in that
park
area. I’m wondering if the black posts that had the lights were different than the ones in NYC today, but I don’t think they are because there are un-renovated parks from around that time with the same style of posts.

Has anyone looked into Greenwood Cemetery? It has a chapel there that looks like the Russian style buildings (
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YUjfDJkJL70/U … G_8211.jpg
). It’s also right next to the Ft. hamilton parkway subway stop (that has been there for a very long time – there are 2 so make sure you’re looking at the right one.)

Precisely what I was referring to Tornado…Now, if that is the case, let’s look at P12.  I believe it has
two
very obvious pointers to NYC… 1) Lady Liberty & 2) Chrysler Bldg gargoyle.  If this is true, does it seem logical that
one
of the two leads us to NYC while the other is nearby?….  Is there a nice large park right next to the C bldg?  I’m sure the big apple would not allow anyone to bury anything on LL’s island.  There is also the church to deal with as well as the door/bldg/rectangle & the color blind tests.  Geez, where does that leave us besides having a huge headache?  lol

Precisely what I was referring to Tornado…Now, if that is the case, let’s look at P12.  I believe it has
two
very obvious pointers to NYC… 1) Lady Liberty & 2) Chrysler Bldg gargoyle.  If this is true, does it seem logical that
one
of the two leads us to NYC while the other is nearby?….  Is there a nice large
park
right next to the C bldg?  I’m sure the big apple would not allow anyone to bury anything on LL’s island.  There is also the church to deal with as well as the door/bldg/rectangle & the color blind tests.  Geez, where does that leave us besides having a huge headache?  lol

Unknown

Unknown:
just a simple thought tossed out….Is it possible to see both Lady Liberty
and
the Chrysler Building from a specific park in NY?  The reason I asked is this…. It seems that all of the visual confirmers in the P that Egg found in Cleveland was right there in the park.  Oh wait,  could you see the upside tower from the park?
Maybe there is one specific image per P that confirms the city, then the rest are near the site.

I agree with your assesment of the clues in the pics fox.  I am from Cleveland and while I don’t believe the Terminal  Tower is visible from the Cultural Gardens (I have not benn there but I know the area) but I think it is a valuable clue to Cleveland.  The map shows Ohio and the Tower (which was the largest building in Cleveland in 1981) tells you that it is Cleveland.  The remaining cluse tell you where in cleveland the casque was located.

Unknown

Unknown:
just a simple thought tossed out….Is it possible to see both Lady Liberty
and
the Chrysler Building from a specific
park
in NY?  The reason I asked is this…. It seems that all of the visual confirmers in the P that Egg found in Cleveland was right there in the
park
.  Oh wait,  could you see the upside tower from the
park
?
Maybe there is one specific image per P that confirms the city, then the rest are near the site.

I agree with your assesment of the clues in the pics fox.  I am from Cleveland and while I don’t believe the Terminal  Tower is visible from the Cultural Gardens (I have not benn there but I know the area) but I think it is a valuable clue to Cleveland.  The map shows Ohio and the Tower (which was the largest building in Cleveland in 1981) tells you that it is Cleveland.  The remaining cluse tell you where in cleveland the casque was located.

just a simple thought tossed out….Is it possible to see both Lady Liberty
and
the Chrysler Building from a specific park in NY?  The reason I asked is this…. It seems that all of the visual confirmers in the P that Egg found in Cleveland was right there in the park.  Oh wait,  could you see the upside tower from the park?
Maybe there is one specific image per P that confirms the city, then the rest are near the site.

just a simple thought tossed out….Is it possible to see both Lady Liberty
and
the Chrysler Building from a specific
park
in NY?  The reason I asked is this…. It seems that all of the visual confirmers in the P that Egg found in Cleveland was right there in the
park
.  Oh wait,  could you see the upside tower from the
park
?
Maybe there is one specific image per P that confirms the city, then the rest are near the site.

I really hate pic 8. There is nothing in that pic that I have seen that confirms the city except the lat/long.
Everything else seems to point to the zoo. But if you didn’t get the city from the lat/long, you’d be nowhere. Except of course the possible outline of southern texas near the djinn.
wilhouse

wow, kato, i’d never noticed that!
would brooklyn still fall in this block of latitude and longitude?
it was something like 73.3…………can’t make that into 74…

Excellent find, Kato!

A
very
close look at the inverted flower in Image 12
perhaps
reveals the well hidden and elusive “41” latitude that would clearly link this Image to New York City. With the “74” longitude inscribed on the foamy churning waters, the “41”  latitude on the flower strongly indicates New York City. (The actual longitude and latitude of New York City is: Latitude: 40.71027777  Longitude: 73.88499999, or to round off: 41 latitude, 74 longitude.

A
very
close look at the inverted flower in Image 12
perhaps
reveals the well hidden and elusive “41” latitude that would clearly link this Image to New York City. With the “74” longitude inscribed on the foamy churning waters, the “41” latitude on the flower strongly indicates New York City. (The actual longitude and latitude of New York City is: Latitude: 40.71027777  Longitude: 73.88499999, or to round off: 41 latitude  74 longitude.

This thread went quiet. Lets stir the pot!
Top half of this image is on page 67 of the book.
Got domes ova hea’

wow…cant believe that wasnt mentioned yet.  sure looks like Empire State Building to me……just like the 2 found casques with bldg outlines.
http://members.aol.com/nycskyscrp/mid/3505th2.jpg
still convinced this P has to be NYNY
or would this be closer?
http://www.howardmodels.com/Architectur … r/pic1.jpg

Getting back to “Image 12”.
I downloaded and viewed and printed the high resolution pictures.
The first thing I noticed upon looking at this picture:
1. The top/left window pane with the red/blue/orange/etc/ dots.Immediately what caught my eye is the numeral 8.
2. the top/right window pane with blue and darker to lighter shades of blue….nothing immediatly jumped out at me.But there definately is some sort of pattern there.
My thought on the woman and the ocean….She has risen from the ocean and the 3 droplets of water have beaded off of her gown.
About the jewel. My take of that is she has released it from her left hand to return back into the water.Whereas she keeps the stemmed flower secured in her right hand.
The Cloister “Medieval Castle” I was thinking about with verse #10.
I couldn’t remember the name of it even though I have been there many times years ago when I used to fgo there in the summer months via bicycle across the GW bridge when I was a yourg teenager.
I did my research on that late last night from home, and today I see a mention from a post posted some time ago that mentions The Cloisters Gardens.
Another not so significant fact was that Donald Trump had purchased it at one point some years ago.Which is now apart of the Metropolitan Museum. Maybe he still is owner of it.Don’t know.
Just my observations here. Which I thought would or might spark some more interest into getting ideas thrown out there.

Unknown

Unknown:
…..but bpruess shot that down, saying “there is no treasure on liberty island”…..

on 5/6/2004 mrshamrock
So that rules out that, but I stll think that battery park is an option.
This should be under the verse 10 thread, but i was thinking arm extended might be a mechanical arm, like the one used in a parking garage.

Unknown

Unknown:
i’m not sure, but have any of yall thought about a church. When ever i look at this it reminds me of a church…..maybe there is a church near one of you locations… i dont know
Doc

Doc:
I had the same thought.  It looks like it could be a picture of the Assumption or the Annunciation (not really familiar with Marian images).  Or maybe a female Saint.  If it was a male figure, I’d say the Transfiguration.  Or it could be a late 19th century actress.  Any other ideas?
Also, does anyone else think that the bottom of the dress looks like the the coast of either the Bronx or Brooklyn?  I’d try to overlay them, but I’m horrible at graphics work.
-Dan

erexere

This is what I’m thinking. Osprey.

Our bird’s head has been found in a couple of locations. The bird’s body is obviously that of a sea bird by looking at its wings and feet. An osprey is far from being a sea bird. Finding an image of an osprey in a similar position as our bird is meaningless. If we had enough time and patience we could find any bird in the same position. I’m sorry, I just don’t buy it.

fox, you raise a fine point about the generic quality of the bird.
I wonder if theres some form of rebus going on. I noticed some words that almost seemed to identify with eachother though not truly related: skua and squaw. Very curious, though you may argue that this isnt a seabird…and you may argue that this couldnt posibly be an indian woman floating above the sea.

erexere

fox, you raise a fine point about the generic quality of the bird.
.and you may argue that this couldnt posibly be an indian woman floating above the sea.

That’s correct, there is nothing about the woman at all that indicates Native American.
The dress is European The face is un-arguably french.
Please point to anything that says “Indian”

I’d be happy to, but first let me reread the Vanishing. I think it’s worth mentioning the Fair Folk pespective, their peaceful coexistence with the natives and their decision to Secret away their gems and casques as they witnessed the coming colonization of civilized man. I suppose my approach to these puzzles has more and more gravitated to this perspective and the fact that this image portrays a female person regardless of her origin, it may be a Fair Folk’s perspective to generalize a woman as a squaw.
They adapted themselves…the field guide shows that…i wonder if the idea behind each location is to show how each site that was chosen long long ago also adapted by their invisible influence. The choice to build the Greek Gardens may have been inspired by the Nymphs presence in Cleveland, ect.

If you are a Queens searcher I tripped over this one:
https://tinyurl.com/y5cvas3w
https://tinyurl.com/yydbvacb

fox..thanks!  getting the love over here already..hehehe…btw..i already have an idea about san francisco…who is there that could check out something for me…ive not yet received the book…but have the verses and the images to go from…is there more that i am missing?
or do i shout it outloud and hope someone would share it in the event that im right?  lol…let me know the way of things here please…thanks
holli

I just got back from a 4-day trip to NYC. My wife and I spent much of the trip walking around Manhattan, from
Central
Park
to lower Manhattan, and parts of Brooklyn. Because of the situation, I did not have freedom to choose the walking route I would have preferred, but it was a great visit, and I got to see some of the locations, buildings, etc. we’ve discussed on Q4T. I pretended to be listening to conversation with the friends we were visiting, but really I was scrutinizing every architectural detail for signs of something familiar. No hits, but here are some pictures from the visit, in case you want to see some of these places from ground level very recently.
The first 6 are from Washington Square
Park
, which was crazy crowded:
The next 6 are all from the Brooklyn side of the Brooklyn Bridge:

I just got back from a 4-day trip to NYC. My wife and I spent much of the trip walking around Manhattan, from Central Park to lower Manhattan, and parts of Brooklyn. Because of the situation, I did not have freedom to choose the walking route I would have preferred, but it was a great visit, and I got to see some of the locations, buildings, etc. we’ve discussed on Q4T. I pretended to be listening to conversation with the friends we were visiting, but really I was scrutinizing every architectural detail for signs of something familiar. No hits, but here are some pictures from the visit, in case you want to see some of these places from ground level very recently.
The first 6 are from Washington Square Park, which was crazy crowded:
The next 6 are all from the Brooklyn side of the Brooklyn Bridge:

Very nice pics. Thank you.

i’m not sure, but have any of yall thought about a church. When ever i look at this it reminds me of a church…..maybe there is a church near one of you locations… i dont know
Doc

I see what your saying.
it almost looks like a 25
I wonder though how much of the really really difficult to see objects we should consider – BP couldn’t be sure with print quality changes – if stuff like that would be visible in every book. most of the stuff we know about in the solved puzzles was obvious – not barely visible.

possible map match????
the left portion of that half moon window. The one with multi-colored stones.(orange, red, lavendar) possibly Brooklyn. I need to scan the Image to see if it matches. I was looking more in the area of where the Statue of Liberty is. Look at the Lavendar stones as water(Hudson River, Right?) also that one does resemble the Trade center, OR Central Park. (ariel view).

possible map match????
the left portion of that half moon window. The one with multi-colored stones.(orange, red, lavendar) possibly Brooklyn. I need to scan the Image to see if it matches. I was looking more in the area of where the Statue of Liberty is. Look at the Lavendar stones as water(Hudson River, Right?) also that one does resemble the Trade center, OR
Central
Park
. (ariel view).

I have always felt that if this is New York, then
it probably represents Brooklyn.
The Russian population of New York can be found in
Little Odessa, in the south of Brooklyn.
A possible park would then be Prospect Park.
On the north end of the park is a monument to
soldiers and sailor.
See a pic here:
http://www.the-meltingpot.com/grand_arm … iption.htm
Doesn’t the arch look like the arch in the picture?

I have always felt that if this is New York, then
it probably represents Brooklyn.
The Russian population of New York can be found in
Little Odessa, in the south of Brooklyn.
A possible
park
would then be Prospect
Park
.
On the north end of the
park
is a monument to
soldiers and sailor.
See a pic here:
http://www.the-meltingpot.com/grand_arm … iption.htm
Doesn’t the arch look like the arch in the picture?

Unknown

Unknown:
most of the stuff we know about in the solved puzzles was obvious – not barely visible.

yes, like the Bowman in Grant Park, Lady Liberty’s face & the numerous exact matches around the Cleveland Park that Egg located.

Has anyone noticed an elongated A in the water (not the wave)?  Turn the pic so that the right side is at the bottom and look for it in the dark streaks of water.
–Johann

close not perfect,
there is a extra room above the real door.  (the layer just under the roof)
The door is narrower than the rectangle.
or the rectangle is taller (take your pick)
what does the red line on the gate indicate?

kittykatz

Does anyone know if the “accepted” solution is that it’s under a tree in front of Fort Hamilton HS in Brooklyn, NY? I want to go by there and take some pictures if so because the google maps street view is a bit old and hard to see small details.

I don’t think there are any generally accepted solutions to any of the unsolved casques, though I like that area. Although the parks have changed so much, I still think it’s possible someone might spot a previously unrecognised shape in one of the images that will help pinpoint a location.

When touring Brooklyn, keep your eyes out for
spots where this one is in view….
http://www.oca.org/DIRlisting.asp?SID=9 … -WA-BROCHT

I’ll tell you one thing, Brooklyn is crowded and pretty large too.  I drove from Manhattan through Brooklyn to get to Breezy Point last summer and it took over an hour.  Straight line too, maybe 5 miles or so.  It is so over populated.  But I’ll find that church!!!!

I used to drive home on summer Sunday afternoons from
the Outer Bridge, NJ to Woodside, Queens (12 miles tops)
and it would take me two and half hours!
Have fun.

While I do think this is a NY image,
I must use the other finds as an example to
point out perspective.
The larger the image, the closer to the
hole.
The Chicago photo a perfect example.
A large building in reality, but perspectively
smaller here due to its distance from Grant Park.
Also, Cleveland, the upside skyscraper is not
prominently displayed because it is only seen
from the distance from MLK.
Here, the promint points in the photo are
in order… The girl
The Ocean
The bird in flught
Everything smaller can be taken as a
skyline reference.
So, what bothers me… the colors.
Also, I believe the girl, to follow the Greek
theme of the other photos, can be Themis
(also known as Dietas, Justia, Lustia)
This is the symbol for ‘Blind Justice’.  Most courts and
law symbols have a deravation of this theme.
As well as the Eagle, a legal theme.
Lady Liberty is in the mode of Themis, but with
specifically a different pose. And  different arms.
The original image of Themis was not a blindfolded woman,
unnecessary because she had second sight.
Its this prominence in the image that begs for exactness.
The Church in the background may be a characticature
of the orginal, but not the Lady of the Water.
Same thing with the bird.  A sitting bird is not the bird in
flight.  Think post office symbol.
And the other thing which make this hunt tough still
today, is that the larger the image you need to find,
the closer you are to the actual location, IN REALITY,
probably the less significant a symbol to the whole
location.
Its like Alice in Wonderland…. What’s big is small
and what’s small is big.
Oh… and a hi to all.

slappybuns

how could he not use asimov or sagan for brooklyn….
asimov pronounced his name with 3 small words…………as him of…………tried and tried to get that to fit the line “of him of hard word”
he is russian and he had a 3 volumes of short stories
then i thought any science could be a hard word or math
…….

Answered the 3 vols. today in the Verse section (again
)

I believe the onion domes in image 12 is, at face value, just the link between the image and the Russian lore of the book. On page 15 of the shorter book, below the passage that explains the Russian immigration to the West, is a picture of the actual characters, sailing with and onion dome behind them.
I was hoping that perhaps the domes created an outline of some other hidden clue. I understand that the topaz puzzle would be more difficult, but nothing here but the SOL face is a given.

while the central synagogue has domes, they dont match at all the domes in the image from any angle.
and we have seen from chicago and Clevleand and Milwaukee that the architectural details in the images match exactly.

If the odd rectangular thing in P12 isn’t one of the Twin Towers, then I really like your idea of it being one of the inscribed pylons in Battery Park.
Referring to Bowling Green cw said “The park is bordered by Broadway on both sides”.  Looking at the above pic he included, Bowling Green could indeed be considered an island and when bordered by Broadway…couldn’t it be an “isle of b”?  Don’t panic yet Boogie…I am still with you on the JPJ Park idea.  I am not sure but wouldn’t Bowling Green be pretty much due north from JPJ?  The V doesn’t specifically say look at {or physically see} the isle of b…it says gaze towards it, or, basically look north.

No panic here.  I like the way Battery Park may fit.  But let me and bemo tear up JPJ park first.
Still, if we don’t find it there, CW, you are going to have to go line by line with the verse to direct us where to dig at the Battery.
The grey giant, the slender path, (notice it doesn’t read “A slender path”.)  If you are going to find the Verrazano from the WTC in Manhattan, why would you come all the way back to Manhattan from Brooklyn?  It can be done, just how?

cormac got me onto this…..Reply #435 on: December 10, 2008, 09:14:26 am
Could this be the face in hidden in Liberty’s dress?
George Gustav Heye Center, is located at One Bowling Green
http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/i … ic=754.435
i was trying to fig out what bowling green was
or what the street  name for
the isle of B
if you click on square,for bowling green, in the click map link…
see pic below of bowling green from pic, for click map
this is what you will read
Bowling Green (New York, NY (Manhattan))
New York City’s Bowling Green is the oldest park space in the city.
The park is bordered by Broadway on both sides, but the west side becomes
State St and the east side becomes Whitehall St. At it’s north end sits
the famous Bull statue and the plaza on the south side has the canopied
entrance to the Bowling Green subway station.
The Alexander Hamilton US Customs House (Cass Gilbert, 1907)
faces the park on the south side. The park dates from the 1630s.
Before the American Revolution (1770) an equestrian statue of King George the III
dressed in Roman clothing stood on this site. On July 9, 1776 after the Declaration
of Independence was read to Washington’s troops at the current site of City Hall,
the lead statue was toppled amd shipped to Connecticut to be melted down into bullets.
link to click map
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=40.7034157&lo … =0&m=a&v=2
thinking the casque is at battery park,have not pin pointed it though
i think the walls, would look like the tower in pic 12, if seen from
the Statue of Liberty……….sorry looks like pic got cut off for tower in p12
14 pic down eagle
http://www.thebattery.org/battery/monuments.php
veiw from battery / Statue of Liberty
http://www.thebattery.org/battery/timeline.php

Gman, interesting thought with this photo. I’m going to givet Hat a further look.
Has anyone ever discussed the meaning of the 3 water drops floating with the jewel? I’ve seen a mention of someone theorizing smaller islands but nothing more. Has everyone just accepted that interpretation?

boogieman

The sign I saw didn’t have the seal.  It was big though.  About 6 x 8 feet, located opposite the park on the corner of Fort Hamilton Parkway and 101st St.  I saw the eagle on the seal before.  I think you posted it a while back Trohn.  I didn’t think anything of it back then but I do now.  I like it!

Me too.
I just reealiized that the design of it is the same design as the image.
(of course with some other details)

The sign I saw didn’t have the seal.  It was big though.  About 6 x 8 feet, located opposite the park on the corner of Fort Hamilton Parkway and 101st St.  I saw the eagle on the seal before.  I think you posted it a while back Trohn.  I didn’t think anything of it back then but I do now.  I like it!

Drunknerds, that’s a great idea. Even though there are other searchers who don’t post here or don’t come to this message board, it would be great to see photos or small videos of everyone and the efforts they put in to finding the casques. A separate thread with all the info from our community would be helpful in everyone’s efforts. I’ll be able to put up my first photos sometime in August after my vacation to Charleston. But of course my efforts could be futile by then.

Ok, we seem to agree on Chrysler Bldg gargoyle head & Statue of Liberty face.  The blue church may be St Nicholas Orthodox church (not far from Chrysler Bldg).
Now, the clock may just be there to match the month/gem/flower…but what about the others?  Bottom left with the red rectangle?….a door?, Washington Arch, etc…?
A smooth maroon panel above a smooth yellow panel means..?
The rest of the panels look similar to colorblind tests.  http://www.toledo-bend.com/colorblind/Ishihara.htmlanyone see any numbers in there?

Unknown

Unknown:
Bottom left with the red rectangle?….a door?, Washington Arch, etc…?

Unknown

Unknown:
The rest of the panels look similar to colorblind tests.  anyone see any numbers in there?

How about the silhouette of the World Trade Center?
I agree with you about the colorblind test.  It could also be one of those “secret decoder” things I used to have as a kid — if you put an opaque colored lens over it, it may reveal something.

erexere

I was literally at this beach today — and when we were motoring down Pickett road, I remembered that this was part of your theory.
The beach is basically a long stretch of black and light gray rocks, with some black/dark gray sand higher up, with about a 30-foot-deep ribbon of white driftwood stretching the entire length.  There really aren’t many more features other than that.  I took a picture or two.  I’ll post them later when I get a chance.

Very cool.  My guess is there might be clues closer to the big tree with branches bent upwards (what kind of tree could that be?) that stands about a 100ft northwest of the Officers Quarters building up the road from the Redoubt.  I’ve been busy around here and haven’t focused too closely on the breakdown for this one, but a lot of clues line up.  Probably should disregard my upside down Orca…that was just silly.
Think you might be toting a shovel with you in the near future, bigmattyh?

wow Jrock, those were all very plausable ideas… sorry they turned up naught.  I, personally, am still kind of sold on my long ago theory of V10 being in Pittsburgh… but alas, nothing there yet either

Great work JRock!
Sorry nothing turned up…..yet?

I took the ferry out to Staten Island a few weekends ago and got really strong feelings on the trip. Starting at the WWII eagle memorial in Battery Park, the myriad giant waterfront clocks visible from the harbor, past Ellis, Bedloe, and Governor’s islands, and then past the old lighthouse in the harbor that has coloring similar to the left-center window panel.
Once at St. George terminal, I wandered over to the lighthouse museum and learned some cool stuff. At this point I stumbled upon something exciting (at the time): from the middle of one branch of the viaduct (the V?) there was a pedestrian bridge east that led to a large steel lighthouse sculpture. It was old and boarded up, and the bridge fenced off, but I could see along the pedestrian bridge were the words to a poem by Wallace Stevens. Very BP, I thought. Maybe he’s the rhapsodic man? Or the man of hard words? The lighthouse had 4 stories, and the bridge led to the third. Maybe that’s why we can take 22 steps “or more”–steps UP! I looked down at the soil, then north at the Statue of Liberty.
I went home really excited and tried to firm up the find. In the process, I learned that the lighthouse sculpture was built in the mid-90s.

I took the ferry out to Staten Island a few weekends ago and got really strong feelings on the trip. Starting at the WWII eagle memorial in Battery
Park
, the myriad giant waterfront clocks visible from the harbor, past Ellis, Bedloe, and Governor’s islands, and then past the old lighthouse in the harbor that has coloring similar to the left-center window panel.
Once at St. George terminal, I wandered over to the lighthouse museum and learned some cool stuff. At this point I stumbled upon something exciting (at the time): from the middle of one branch of the viaduct (the V?) there was a pedestrian bridge east that led to a large steel lighthouse sculpture. It was old and boarded up, and the bridge fenced off, but I could see along the pedestrian bridge were the words to a poem by Wallace Stevens. Very BP, I thought. Maybe he’s the rhapsodic man? Or the man of hard words? The lighthouse had 4 stories, and the bridge led to the third. Maybe that’s why we can take 22 steps “or more”–steps UP! I looked down at the soil, then north at the Statue of Liberty.
I went home really excited and tried to firm up the find. In the process, I learned that the lighthouse sculpture was built in the mid-90s.

I returned to SI the following day (I love the ferry ride), and while I got the same “right track” feeling, I didn’t see much else the second trip. I checked out the courthouse, and while the lion sculpture was there, there wasn’t much else in the way of visuals. I meant to check out Barrett Triangle, but forgot. I spent a lot of time walking up to Curtis High School (est. 1904). Why? Their mascot used to be the Indians (natives still speak of him of Hard word?). George Curtis was an author. He wrote three volumes of “Essays From the Easy Chair” where he actually writes from the POV of a chair. He also has a couple books on the Howadji (sounds like Hard word?)
Haven’t gotten much further on George Curtis, but he writes a lot of poetry, speaks often of the Fay (at least in his book “Lotus-Eating”), and has written essays on many of the other people I’ve run across while researching the other 11 casques.

animal painter

Okay…Is there an animal in the water foam?
I see a kind of creature like a badger, a wolverine, an otter…a squirrel on steroids…
It looks like it has its paws outstretched to the right.
What do you think?
AP

This is a good idea… the Charleston image has the University of South Carolina Mascot blurred into the Lion’s forehead.
Maybe other images show a local mascot image.

Kind of reminds me of the chinese dog/lion statues
Maybe near Chinatown

Cormac,
I can see a similarity
AP

Info on that location….
Standing tall across the Manhattan Bridge, the Mahayana Buddhist temple is the largest Buddhist temple in New York City. Located at 133 Canal Street, Mahayana is one of the two primary sects of Buddhism, which place more emphasis on the teachings of Buddha. The temple was built to honor Mrs. Annie Ying’s 83rd birthday. Its main goal is the liberation and enlightenment of all conscious beings. Love, kindness, compassions are stressed in this form, and Mandarin is the main language used in the temple.
The temple contains a sixteen foot golden statue of the Buddha sitting on a lotus, with a blue neon halo glowing behind him. It is one of the largest statues of Buddha in New York. Around the hall are numerous depictions of events in Buddha’s life. At the side of the entrance is a large golden incense holder burning incense before the image of Guan Yin (bodhisattva). There are also benches available for visitors to rest.
Public services are held on weekends. It is usually carried out with all the formalities such as drums and bells. Fortunes are read inside the temple every day for a dollar.
The exterior of the temple was inspired by Chinese architectural designs. Two giant golden lions protecting the temple from evil spirits guard the main doors. It is also customary for homes belonging to traditional Chinese families to be guarded by stone or bronze lions.

An Eagle on a Wave…. kinda covers the top and bottom of the picture.
Is in Battery Park and may have a view of the Statue of Liberty
EAST COAST MEMORIAL
Battery Park
Facing the Statue of Liberty across New York harbor, the East Coast Memorial is located at the southern end of Battery Park. This memorial honors the 4,601 missing American servicemen who lost their lives in the Atlantic Ocean while engaged in combat during World War II. Designed by the architectural firm of Gehron and Seltzer, the monument consists of a large, paved plaza punctuated by eight massive 19-foot tall gray granite pylons (four each on the southern and northern sides) onto which are inscribed the names, rank, organization and state of each of the deceased.
On the eastern side of the plaza a monumental bronze eagle, sculpted by Albino Manca (1898–1976) and set on a pedestal of polished black granite, grips a laurel wreath over a wave–signifying the act of mourning at the watery grave. The monument was commissioned by the American Battle Monuments Commission (ABMC), a small independent agency of the executive branch of the United States federal government, and was dedicated by President John F. Kennedy (1917–1963) on May 23, 1963.
The blue building behind the statue went up in 1988… looking for an image of the buildings behind around 1982
Here’s another view

An Eagle on a Wave…. kinda covers the top and bottom of the picture.
Is in Battery
Park
and may have a view of the Statue of Liberty
EAST COAST MEMORIAL
Battery
Park
Facing the Statue of Liberty across New York harbor, the East Coast Memorial is located at the southern end of Battery
Park
. This memorial honors the 4,601 missing American servicemen who lost their lives in the Atlantic Ocean while engaged in combat during World War II. Designed by the architectural firm of Gehron and Seltzer, the monument consists of a large, paved plaza punctuated by eight massive 19-foot tall gray granite pylons (four each on the southern and northern sides) onto which are inscribed the names, rank, organization and state of each of the deceased.
On the eastern side of the plaza a monumental bronze eagle, sculpted by Albino Manca (1898–1976) and set on a pedestal of polished black granite, grips a laurel wreath over a wave–signifying the act of mourning at the watery grave. The monument was commissioned by the American Battle Monuments Commission (ABMC), a small independent agency of the executive branch of the United States federal government, and was dedicated by President John F. Kennedy (1917–1963) on May 23, 1963.
The blue building behind the statue went up in 1988… looking for an image of the buildings behind around 1982
Here’s another view

decibalnyc

Yes….Puzzling 🙂

Or, as I suggested in the Image 9 thread… we may have to consider alternate verses. Hell, look back at all of the “facts” and read the threads about what image/verse pairs there were prior to the Cleveland solve. The Conventional wisdom isn’t always spot on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFIBwS0GVX0

It is Prospect Park. I tried fitting the outline of the park over the shadows on the body and it matches the clothes.
Turn the map of the park so that the Grand Avenue Plaza is at the bottom right or turn the image on its side like this.

Wollman Rink
Litchfield Villa, Prospect Park copywrite
© Matthew X. Kiernan
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mateox/459 … 3125756940
http://www.prospectpark.org/about/histo … llman-rink
if in prospect park hopefully its not where the new pk lot is going
http://www.prospectpark.org/lakeside
eagle

looking at image 12 her left hand looks so much like the hand of adam in the picture of god giving him life….you know the one where god and adams fingers are touching…just saying

Now to be fair, he is from a foreign country, Some United Kingdom or other.
English is probably his second language…
He probably doesn’t understand the difference between the concepts of a theory and a solution.

forest_blight

Oh please. “Solved”? Color me skeptical.

I feel like even erexere would look at his work and say “don’t you think that’s a little convoluted ?”

Heresy.
Brooklyn FTW! Represent! Viva le VaterWiki!

Could someone in New York give us an update on the digging conditions there? Specifically, how frozen is the ground?
According to
Weather Underground
, it’s 29 degrees in the city right now, but there’s going to be a warming trend over the next three days. On Monday it’s supposed to get up to almost 70 degrees, with a 99% chance of rain between 2am and 5am.
Unless the ground is really frozen solid and deep, it sounds to me like Monday and Tuesday would have ideal conditions for digging. Does that seem reasonable? Are there any New Yorkers on this forum who would be free those days and willing to dig?
I’ve got a NYC solution that’s shovel-ready, but I’m not exactly in the neighborhood, so I can’t do the digging myself. I’d like to find someone on this forum who would attempt an excavation in a responsible way. Failing that, I’ll just post the solution on the wiki and see what happens.

I can’t dig this fall (preoccupied with sorting out the legal in Boston) but if
Nobody is closer NY is a bus ride away if you want to wait. I’m originally a NYer so fairly Familiar with NYC. I also have 2 friends in NY who are Secret-friendly.
Completely understand if you don’t
it’ll be a while. While estimating Boston we pegged it at 2-3 more diggable weeks and my dig partner grew up using backhos in upstate NY so I trust his analysis. Since Thicydides is North of Xenophon they should be warmer

Unknown

Unknown:
I’d like to find someone on this forum who would attempt an excavation in a responsible way. Failing that, I’ll just post the solution on the wiki and see what happens.

While digging one up is the ultimate proof of a theory, it is important to note that the opposite is not necessarily true. We have to be willing to accept that some of these are long gone. A compelling theory that is consistent with the image and verse, and the two solves we already have, might be the best we are going to get. Having said that, I think there is enough anecdotal evidence to suggest that if your solution is compelling enough, someone is going to at the very least, probe the area. The problem with probing however, is that it’s not likely to reveal much, especially for the northern casques which are very likely in pieces by now unless they were buried well below the frost line (and the two that were dug up were not). There is always a chance that someone is going to get lucky with a random hole, but the more likely scenario for digging the next one up is a responsible, organized dig, as you suggest.

I found an apple…

Egbert

I would tend to agree with Merlot on this.  Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe the eagle on Ellis Island is at an old building which is no longer in use, and you actually have to walk pretty far from where you land on the ferry, to see it.  It is not one of the eagles on the main building, since I did not see the correct eagle when I got off the ferry on Ellis Island.
In other words, if the correct eagle is on an obscure building, far from where the ferry lands, then that would not just simply be a NYC “confirmer.”  Rather, it is more of something that you would see when you are near the treasure spot.  A city “confirmer” would be the Cleveland terminal tower or the Chicago water tower, or the Statue of Liberty.  Not the eagle over there in the corner on that abandoned building that nobody knows about.

The birds are on the Ferry Building.
Here’s a video
with a little history about that particular building and some relevant dates.