Assuming the Wiki reflects current thinking on this image, here are some ideas based on New York / V6.
I think the book includes references to Classical mythology, and this pic put me in mind of
Venus/Aphrodite
, “born of the sea foam” (aphros).
The line “Or May 1913” made me think “Mayor 1913”. This led to
William Gaynor
, Mayor of New York City, who died that year.
His
memorial
at
Cadman Plaza
was sculpted by
Weinman
, who also did the Civic Fame statue on the
Manhattan Municipal Building
.
“Constructed from Weinman’s plaster model of sheets of copper with a hollow core, she is similar in this respect to the nearby Statue of Liberty”
The model for this statue was
Audrey Munson
, called “Miss Manhattan” and “American Venus”, the model for several statues in NYC.
I had a look to see if any of these resembled image 12. Here’s one on the
Manhattan Bridge
(reversed):
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
A different line of Aphrodite research led me to the
Church of Aphrodite
founded by
Gleb Botkin
on
Long Island
. He has a Russian connection, being an adherent of
Anna Anderson
. She claimed to be
Grand Duchess Anastasia
, the daughter of
Nicholas II
, Russia’s last sovereign. (Has connections with the Russian Orthodox Church.)

Yet another thought …
Back on August 24th I posted about Egbert and my trip to Ellis Island and the lower east side of Manhattan.  I spoke to the theory that verse 10 might be coupled with image 12 as has been bandied about before.  Specifically I remember commenting on Eg’s thought that verse 10’s language regarding “the Natives still speak of him of Hard word in three vols.” might be referring to Charles Dickens, author of Hard Times originally published in three vols.  Still, I was having trouble finding how Dickens could relate to image 12.
Recently my cousin JRock (new to the board) pointed out to me the later reference in verse 10 that speaks of something being “passed the hour OR MORE” and how that very language was often used by Dickens in his writings – a google search of this term and Dickens shows he made use of this somewhat odd phrasing in a number of his works including Great Expectations and Oliver Twist.  Still figuring out Dickens part in all of this is difficult.  For thoughts on this you might start with the following:
http://www.fidnet.com/~dap1955/dickens/america.html
has some good info on Chuck.  Charts his 1842 visit to the states which had him travel as far west as St. Louis, before turning back north and east toward Canada.  Perhaps most interesting, I think, is his trip to Niagara Falls.  I have long thought that the water pictured in image 12 seems to resemble a water fall (especially the way the waves are cresting on the bottom right-hand portion of the illustration).  If image 12 goes with verse 10, the Dickens reference might be leading to Niagara Falls.  Reason I say this is that his description of the falls in his letters (also can be found on the right side of the above-referenced site under heading “Dickens’ letters to John Forster from America-1842 – visiting Niagara Falls”) is a very famous passage in that it was apparently the one place in the US that Dickens thought to be remarkably beautiful.  SO much so that when you go to a site on Niagara Falls
http://www.niagarafallsstatepark.com
you can go to the “Discover the Falls – Amazing Facts and Figures” section and pictured in the upper right hand corner is an illustration of – you guessed it – Charles Dickens.  Seems Niagara Tourism uses Dickens’ description of the falls to this day as one of the great passages ever written about the National Park.  While Dickens seems to have other connections to NY and the lower east side/Bowery area, I don’t see any other stronger connection why the “Natives [New Yorkers – thanks Eg] would still be speaking of him of Hard word” except to echo his passionate descriptive terms to promote the National State Park at Niagara.
Thus, I wonder if image 12 with the face of the Lady Liberty could actually be referring to the New York State side of Niagara Falls?? and not the lower east side of Manhattan/NYC.

I think it would now be a good time to go back and review my post in State Maps and shapes in Pics – or the Canadian connection. The Niagara link is apparent (in my mind at least) and the clues are almost overpowering.

to The_Duck.
Sorry if I inadvertantly stepped on your toes on the Niagara Falls theory.  Don’t know how I missed that posting.  Regardless, not trying to take credit for the find.  Merely offering additional info that I think might be leading to the Falls, and tying a verse to the image.  Still can’t figure out whether it would be the NY State side (which would explain Lady Liberty’s face) or the Canadian side as you seemed to suggest in your previous post.  And still troubling is the fact that if it is the Falls (and I liked your Maiden in the Mist thoughts by the way) I am still puzzled by how the rest of the image relates.

It is true that one of the casques is supposed to be a short distance over the border into Canada.

Keeping with the Niagara Falls theory, could “the isle of B” in verse 10 be referring to Bath Island?
http://www.niagara.edu/library/nfguides/or111-120.pdf

Well, we thought we were on a hot trail, especially since no one here seemed to have mentioned it…I guess there was a reason for that!
We took Image 12, and matched it to Verse 5.
Image 12 is obviously New York City. We thought it may be some place around Grand Central Terminal. Although there is no park, we thought maybe there might be something in that vicinity where someone could dig. We went, and looked around, and although it seems very improbable, we can’t seem to cross it off our list. Here is why:
Lane
Two twenty two
You’ll see an arc of lights
The tracks in the main terminal go all the way up to 117. We thought it may refer to track 22.
Right before entering, there is an archway with lights hanging from it (arc of lights). Also, this archway leads to two tracks, one of which is 22.
Weight and roots extended
Weight of the trains; roots = train tracks
Granite walls
Wind swept halls
The walls in the main terminal are either marble or granite. The floors, if you were to take pictures and enlarge it, look like the pink bubbles in the upper left; the base moulding on the walls were like the blue bubbles in the upper right. The walls were of the same cream color as what is behind the tail of the bird.
Citadel in the night
Citadel has the obvious connotation; however, the definition is “A fortress in a commanding position in or near a city; a stronghold.” Although the terminal is not a fortress, it is one of the largest railways of its kind in the northeast–we thought maybe there is a chance that it wasn’t literal.
Also in the main terminal, the ceiling is the same blue behind the bird’s face, with a celestial painting.
A wingless bird ascended
Born of ancient dreams of flight
The MetLife Building, which is attached to the terminal, used to be the Pan Am building.
Beneath the only standing member
There is a statue with a clock (although it looks nothing like the clock in the picture, other than the roman numerals) above the main entrance. Surrounding the clock are three statues of Hercules, Mercury, and another person. Hercules, in the center, is the only one standing. The interesting thing, however, was that there was another statute below this, that is not shown in any of the photos we came across on the Internet. It is of Commodore Vanderbilt, who was the shipping tycoon (ergo ocean). There is, of course, Vanderbilt Avenue right there. Then we came across the Grand Central Terminal police across the street on Vanderbilt Avenue. Perhaps this was the “citadel.”
Of a forest
Although there are no forests in that area, we thought maybe it meant Park Avenue.
All the windows are similarly shaped as the “windows” in the upper part of the picture. Also, as you stand with your back to track 22, there is an abundance of daylight coming through, which could have been the arc of light, too.
Well, we are green, but we are trying. Looking into other possibilities now.

KL – you guys are hot on the trail.  Pictures, we need pictures.
Did you go south and see if there are any trees as in the verse?  I am sure there are no real forests south.
wilhouse

The location is definitely in Prospect Park because the contour lines on this topo map match the swirling water at the bottom of image 12. You need to turn the book clockwise 90 degrees to compare it.
http://bit.ly/1wbTdCj
(13845)

The Falls looks a good spot.
http://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC1N … c1f7d3fdf8
It even won a geocaching award!
Lots of photos of the waterfall here to compare with the lower part of the image 12:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/gallery. … c1f7d3fdf8

Xieish

I solved it tonight for sure. It’s gone. I will be posting what I have of the solution soon. It is conclusive in every way. It’s been a parking lot since at least 1995.
I guess I’ll see if I can still get my gem.

so are you saying an area in the park,has become a parking lot, or the whole park is now a parking lot

to get your gem, you need the casque and key, – at this point nothing is substitute-able for that.
Since the people with the gems don’t have the solutions, the only way to check your answer is to find the casque.
Cant wait to see how you “solved” it.

This would stand up in court. I plan on pursuing it as best I can.

Comment note:  Wollstone- = Stonewall?  Have I tripped over a minor resonance with another verse?

I am referring to the building on the right side of the photo, the building with the step-like shape on top.

…or perhaps the blob on the pin by the “dogleg”

I haven’t read through all of the posts on this thread, but what I have I haven’t seen this mentioned.  Look at the part of the image that looks like russian style temples.  Now focus on the red area.  All of the sudden, to me it looks like a land mass bordering water.  To me it looks like two pennisulas with two small islands in between (may have to zoom in to see the islands, but they are there.)  Don’t know if this is anything or not, but I think it would be clever on the artist’s part to exaggerate the coast line a little bit to make it look like temples and use colors that force the eyes to see the temples first.

Here’s something that might be helpful to you—it’s the negative image of the picture. Sometimes when you see the negative image, something that pops out pops in, and vice versa….maybe this will help you see things a little better. Since this was such a large file, I’ve hosted it elsewhere.

CK, thanks for the negative image.  It really makes some things pop out.  The waves remind me of Japanese art.
Maybe someone has a more “public art” version of the wave.
Then again, it could just mean the casque is near the shore.
AnotherDoth

i have not completely mapped out nyc only finished the treasure hunt, but i do have a dutch connection via the alexander hamilton us custom house outside battery park in my solve (what i do have)…it sits at original location of Fort Amsterdam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander … stom_House
not sure how he got russia out of what he’s trying to explain.

makes you wonder if Samuel Ball was one of the former slaves moved to Nova Scotia after the american revolution.

I think he was trying to make a connection from the ship Half Moon / Captain Hudsen / the Dutch East India Company….and, the Dutch West India Company…..one of which had on-going trade with Russia.
However…..the Dutch East India Company wasn’t the West India company. The only thing they had in common was New Netherlands/New Amsterdam (New York).
And…Samuel Ball….that’s Oak Island stuff right there….
=]

i understand what he was saying about DEI, via Hudson, via the half moon; via him coming to NY when trying to find the NW passage. and obviously the Hudson River would seem to reinforce that as correct, as it exits into the Atlantic at NYC.
and shit…look what i just found…where do we follow the SOURCE of the Hudson River back to…ill let you guys look that one up…but lets just say it confirms my above statement about Gray Peak as absolutely correct haha.
that doesnt seem to be a proper connection to the russians though unless that trade connection directly led to their immigration which is possible. will have to look that up though.

it could also be the world trade center if you could only see one tower (or even the two together but they looked like one) from the park by i designated. the bottom doesnt necessarily need to mean the dutch west india company, it could just mean they went west to NYC, or a multitude of other things.

lost

The original World Trade Center was a large complex of seven buildings in Lower Manhattan, New York City, United States. It featured the landmark Twin Towers
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid … 684&type=3

Wow that one is creepy. I wish the whole field guide was like this

anus905

i have not completely mapped out nyc only finished the treasure hunt, but i do have a dutch connection via the alexander hamilton us custom house outside battery park in my solve (what i do have)…it sits at original location of Fort Amsterdam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander … stom_House
not sure how he got russia out of what he’s trying to explain.

if you are using the name alexander hamilton for the custom house it was renamed in 1990
constructed by the Dutch West India Company
seen from the steps of ny supreme court
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid … =3&theater

it was built because of an act hamilton passed, so either way you look at it…its related to him. you can call it the us custom house if you want, but its known as the alexander hamilton us custom house to everyone else.

and yet another clock tower, not sure this one looks the same now
this pic shows what it looked like in the 80s
http://www.nyc-architecture.com/SOH/SOH022.htm

cw0909

a clock tower at pier A at battery
http://www.flickr.com/photos/capedcrusa … 1/sizes/o/

looking closer at your Pier A at Battery clock tower…
Roman Numerals
Grey in color
Square background around the face
Arch below the clock matches the arched frame around the image
If you look at the bottom of the pic to the left of the tower base (below the letters “DIR” in “direct.com”) you see an arch similar to the stained glass arch in our image.
(wish I had a better picture of that section)

Here is a better picture and link:
http://flickr.com/photos/wallyg/3485344 … waterfront

We have been through all of this before.  No doubt, Battery Park fits image12 better than JPJ Park.  The clock is the closest thing I’ve ever seen and have have looked at a lot of them.  But the verse……
I wonder… I’ve noticed a lot of the image has things reversed in it.  The backwards NJ in the shoulder, Lady Liberty’s face compared to the real thing, even down to the shadow under her nose.  I wonder if you can see a mirror image or reflection of the harbor and the statue from the glass window of the clock tower.
It would be nice if the message in the water at the bottom of the image read PIER A.

Good luck. one question. Are you looking in Brooklyn?

I’d like to talk about her left hand. I may have found a match:
Now, obviously it’s a pointing finger and those are everywhere. So when considering the match, I noted three things about her pointing that’s a bit weird.
First, point somewhere. Examine your hand. If you are like me you notice three differences:
1. My index finger is straight. Hers is bent
2. My thumb is laid over my middle finger. Hers is not
3. My other middle finger is tightly curved into my palm. Her middle finger is just bent slightly
Okay, so here’s my match idea. It’s the statue of Lincoln outside Prospect park.
1. His index finger is bent
2. His thumb is not touching the other fingers
3. His middle finger is bent slightly.
Now, what would really help is a photo from the other side of his hand, since I’m comparing his right hand with her left hand. Preiss has done stuff like that before.
The clincher would be if his other hand was a match. She’s holding a flower, he’s holding a few papers, so it could check out. But I don’t know if there’s even a pic of something like that available.
https://www.nycgovparks.org/common_imag … s/1195.jpg

what you think?
The original 7 World Trade Center was 47 stories tall, clad in red masonry building

MrSeabass

OK if we’re gonna start introducing 9/11 conspiracies to these theories, then it’s probably time to take a break from visiting here…

If only one tower fell, it would be “Preiss knew! The red outline means blooooood!”

Okay, I haven’t been able to get to the location yet. But I am going….soon, I hope. So I’ve decided to go ahead let you all know what it is I found and why I’m going with this instead of the Charleston thing.
Unfortunately, I don’t have my notes with my at work today, and won’t be able to post anything about it until later today.
So I hate to leave you with a teaser, but it will simply have to wait until later today.
ck

…awh … c’mon, is your post a clue? Missing notes, teaser… Cat Stephens…

http://www.freewebs.com/patcash/nj.htm
It’s possible.  Trying to make out a name of a town or city is tough though.  Trying the lighter patterns in that part of the gown.
edit:  I still like the shaded S and I or a 51 under armpits.

In my heart, I can not see BP developing a 12 part
treasure hunt and not including his home city,
but I have never thought that this lady is tied
to Lady Liberty.
And there are many loose ends that have a NY
tie, but then again NY has a little of everything.
I have not found a solid trail from point to point.
See my point about the Blue Domes..
only three Russian Orthodox’s in America
with Blue Domes…. Kodiak, Pittsburgh, Phillie.
Find me another, and I’d be happy to consider it.
Here’s one out of left field… the image to the
left of the domes.. “BookBinders”

NYCNative

Where is the proof that the dig happened with a permit?

Wait.. what? I need to provide proof to you that a dig happened? The permit was properly applied for and attained from the parks department. As far as that, what did you want me to do, send you the dirt off the shovel?
It happened.

@rolenrock,
For me, it’s not the proof that matters so much as where you are digging(perhaps shown in a photo?), so people unfamiliar with the area know what to avoid. Many have dug that area but not many have posted photos of where.

You cah-razy, cah_raaaaazy NYC hunters…competing with old guys who are looking for mercury dimes, making the residents trip on divots….
2017
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/11/28/prospect-park-treasure-hunters/
2014
https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20140903/todt-hill/treasure-hunters-blame-city-park-restrictions-for-lack-of-loot/
2009
https://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/32/5/32_5_mm_metal_heads.html

This has probably been pointed out before, but maybe the image represents a depiction of Mary in one of these NY Russian churches or somewhere. Not this one, but something along these lines.
Eg, this is in Carroll Gardens, Brooklyn.
It’s a common pose. I think this kind of thing must have been one of JJP’s artistic influences for the pic.

Ironically I”m just starting to get into Prospect Park since Siskel mentioned it. That statue isn’t far, Gershwin lived nearby at one time, eagles all over the place…perhaps the sign about the Indies native was at the zoo, which seems to have species native to the West Indies…

Ironically I”m just starting to get into Prospect
Park
since Siskel mentioned it. That statue isn’t far, Gershwin lived nearby at one time, eagles all over the place…perhaps the sign about the Indies native was at the zoo, which seems to have species native to the West Indies…

This is my original comparison of the bear and the foamy creature in image 12.
But we know that the casque is not in the park … so it is only a verifying image for NYC.
AP

This is my original comparison of the bear and the foamy creature in image 12.
But we know that the casque is not in the
park
… so it is only a verifying image for NYC.
AP

im very close tpo breaking the clue relating to the isochromatic windows in the nyc painting.
can someone take different colour films (maybe start with red, like from a pair of 3d glasses) and use them to view the images?
not sure this will result in anything.
alternatively, it may be pointing us to MacBeth. or the use of colour tests for subway drivers in nyc.
i havent gone over all the info i need to yet, so i might be able to add to this.
i def have a clue telling us to use a red filter (or more generally relating to 3d imagery). and was brought to an exhibit about opthamology, where the answer definitely lies. just didnt have time to read it all (i photographed it though)…so i can look at it later.

JoshCornell

im very close tpo breaking the clue relating to the isochromatic windows in the nyc painting.
can someone take different colour films (maybe start with red, like from a pair of 3d glasses) and use them to view the images?
not sure this will result in anything.
alternatively, it may be pointing us to MacBeth. or the use of colour tests for subway drivers in nyc.
i havent gone over all the info i need to yet, so i might be able to add to this.
i def have a clue telling us to use a red filter (or more generally relating to 3d imagery). and was brought to an exhibit about opthamology, where the answer definitely lies. just didnt have time to read it all (i photographed it though)…so i can look at it later.

Seriously you don’t think this has been tried, and by people with access to a whole lot better equipment than you have?

Wow!
That is most amazing!
Will have to wait until they begin Ellis Island tours again to head there for a scouting/dig?
Kudos to you and Siskel!
Edit
Seems the tours are back on for Ellis Island.
Limited tours, but they are on. Did a search and found this.
http://www.nycvp.com/statue_of_lib_WalkingTour.htmI
took the Statue of Liberty/Ellis Island tour via Liberty State Park in Jersey City,NJ some 15 or so years ago.
I didn’t know about this hunt at that time.

Look at the shape of the windows inside the “Great Hall” on Ellis Island.
Hmmmm.,
http://www.historychannel.com/ellisisla … athal1.gif
Another with 3 steeples on Ellis Island.
You think?
http://www.historychannel.com/ellisisla … ntro_2.gif

Well, Siskel and I teamed up again and went on a scouting expedition of Manhattan.  I will allow him to fill all of you in on the details — he has lots of good ideas on Image 12, Verse 10, and New York.
However, I would like to present you with my thoughts on that rectangle in Image 12.  I first suggested it was one of the World Trade Center towers, and someone else suggested it was Central Park.  However, now I think it is neither …. take a look at the overhead image of Ellis Island:
http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?t=1&s=11&x=1452&y=11263&z=18&w=1
Since it appears that the immigration of the Faeries are closely tied to the real life immigrants, I think it would be only fitting to have Ellis Island in one of the pics.  So Siskel and I last week took a trip out there, along with other spots in NYC.  I will let him post our findings.  Happy hunting all!

Once I played around with the possibilities, I found the acrostic puzzle might have a little more to do with Washington:
According to the historical walking tour at San Juan Island’s American Camp (Military Base), General William Selby Harney ordered Captain George Pickett and his men to go to San Juan Island in NW WA to settle a dispute between American settlers and British soldiers. 1) move the “W” from the 2nd line to the 5th line. 2) move the “B” from the 5th line to the 14th line. 3) move the “O” from the 14th line to the 2nd. 4) shift the letters on lines 7-10 from AYSS to SAYS, you now have a coherent and complete message: TO NW WA SAYS SELBY. It’s fascinating that there’s a visual reference to a window relating to Washington in Selby, England and a veiled reference to a US Army General with the middle name Selby.
T
T
T
W
T
O
N
N
N
W
W
W
B
B
W
A
A
A
A
A
S
Y
Y
A
S
S
Y
S
S
S
S S S
E E E
L L L
O O B
Y Y Y

erexere

you now have a coherent and complete message: TO NW WA SAYS SELBY.

No, we don’t. Honestly. We don’t.

Is that because you’ve solved something to the extent that you’re willing to ignore any alternatives?

I like your thinking boogieman! If we tie NYC to “in the shadow of the gray giant”, I always thought that it would literally mean:
In the shadow of the World Trade Center Tower ( I know that is a huge shadow ). Maybe at 11:00 am? That should at least narrow down the search to a few ( dozen ) city blocks?

The shadow of the WTC would never have fallen on Battery Park, so if that interpretation is true the casque site would need to be north, east, or west of the WTC. Interestingly, City Hall Park (which has come up before) is just east of the WTC and I can imagine that the entire park would have been in the shadow of the grey giant in the evenings.
I’m not so sure the WTC is our giant, though. Wouldn’t BP have said “giants” given that the WTC was always spoken of as the “twin towers”?

Here is another domed church in NYC.
It has
3
domes…St. Jean Baptiste Church…
just East  of (Olmstead’s) Central Park…
and south of the Bronx. (Look North to the Isle of B.)
The smaller domes have a bump-out on their very tops, like
image 12.  But they do not have as much of the “onion” shape.

Here is another domed church in NYC.
It has
3
domes…St. Jean Baptiste Church…
just East  of (Olmstead’s)
Central
Park
…
and south of the Bronx. (Look North to the Isle of B.)
The smaller domes have a bump-out on their very tops, like
image 12.  But they do not have as much of the “onion” shape.

In 1784, he founded the Bank of New York, now the oldest ongoing banking organization in the United States, and was also instrumental, along with John Jay, in the revitalization of King’s College, which had been severely crippled by the war and discredited for its Tory affiliations, as Columbia College. His public career resumed when he attended the Annapolis Convention as a delegate in 1786 and drafted its resolution for a Constitutional convention.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bootbearwdc/359047222/
I dont know why but I stumbled on this while looking for pictures of St John Baptiste.  The Bank of New York was founded by Alexander Hamilton and that bank sits on the edge of Battery Park, at the entrance to the Brooklyn-Battery tunnel.  At the opposite side of the park there is the Hamilton Customs House.  Wonder if we can find some
Hard Word
on that bank….

In 1784, he founded the Bank of New York, now the oldest ongoing banking organization in the United States, and was also instrumental, along with John Jay, in the revitalization of King’s College, which had been severely crippled by the war and discredited for its Tory affiliations, as Columbia College. His public career resumed when he attended the Annapolis Convention as a delegate in 1786 and drafted its resolution for a Constitutional convention.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bootbearwdc/359047222/
I dont know why but I stumbled on this while looking for pictures of St John Baptiste.  The Bank of New York was founded by Alexander Hamilton and that bank sits on the edge of Battery
Park
, at the entrance to the Brooklyn-Battery tunnel.  At the opposite side of the
park
there is the Hamilton Customs House.  Wonder if we can find some
Hard Word
on that bank….

bigmattyh

Either way, the onion-dome building should be a relatively easy landmark to identify for this solution. There aren’t
that
many orthodox churches in the New York area.

That assumes the church is in NY.  Am I the only one who still thinks this is Vancouver?
http://www.holyres.org/
“Him of Hard word” I believe is a reference to the Warren Harding monument in Vancouver.

Egbert

That assumes the church is in NY.  Am I the only one who still thinks this is Vancouver?

I see a 74 and a backwards 41 in the water. The 74 is clearer than the 41 — which I see just above the 74 — but they’re definitely there. Can’t find any more numbers than that, but 74 and 41 would be two sides of a bounding box around NYC.
As to which verse goes with this one… dunno.

Egbert

That assumes the church is in NY.  Am I the only one who still thinks this is Vancouver?
http://www.holyres.org/
“Him of Hard word” I believe is a reference to the Warren Harding monument in Vancouver.

I think so Egbert.  Besides what seems obvious to me, I like what BigMatt had to say.  I wish I could convince you.  What a boost that would be….The way I read the verse, i think the
man of hard word
would have to be an Indies native anyway.
Vancouver AP (S)          49° 11′ N    123° 10′ W

Near men with wind rose,
Notice the positions of No.11, the Flag Pole, “stars move by day,” a US flag moved by wind.
The markers are viewable almost in line with eachother from a spot near the arch,
I noticed that taking a straight line through the arch across the parade grounds puts you at point that might resemble the angles of the arms on the clock panel with a short arm pointing to the No.11 marker and a longer arm to the No.12 marker just to the right of center at the porch of the Officer’s Quarters (Near Men).

http://www.nycgovparks.org/parks/prospe … ghts/11746
maybe it is this tree AP, it was dedicated in 19
22
um, i mean, it would have been a “symbolic” tree, since it was cut down  🙂
it has an oval shape in front of it like in the image:
http://jp.zooomr.com/z/photos/zoom/4619721/size-32/
2 of these plaques mention “north”
http://www.bridgeandtunnelclub.com/bigm … /index.htm

slappybuns

maybe it is this tree AP, it was dedicated in 19
22

…in November.
Re: this area,
this book
lists several of the Gershwins’ addresses including “1310 8th Avenue, near Prospect Park” (and Webster Place).
The nearby Brooklyn Museum has
this painting
…I guess you could call it rhapsodic man’s oil…
Prospect Park was designed by Olmsted and Vaux after they finished Central Park.

In Brooklyn (rhapsodic man’s soil)…South of the Isle of B (Bedloe’s) Liberty Island…
Being right next to “Jackson” Ct. (
Stone
wall…
Hard
word) and “Ft. Hamilton” Parkway (indies native sign)…
being in the shadow of Verrazano Bridge (grey giant)…cars certainly abound…(with the double-decker bridge)…
where a “yard
arm
” was installed in 1980…and there are several v-shaped sidewalks…where helicopter tours whirr by in summer…
this area of JPJ Park  is getting more interesting…
The tree in JPJ Park near Jackson Ct. has the same “bulge” under the crotch of the tree tapering to a slimmer trunk,
as seen in the image 12  tree shape.
In the winter months, the shape of the tree is more visible without leaves…
…if anyone can check it out from the park side.

Nicely done AP.  Do you know how many times I parked my car just in front of Jackson Ct, and I never even noticed it?  dang.  If that is the tree, than it, and the bridge are the only visual confirmers on site.

Here are some videos to hold you over.
http://www.google.com/search?q=john+pau … a=N&tab=iv

animal painter

this area of JPJ Park  is getting more interesting…

JPJ/JJP…? Couldn’t see a sig on this pic though. Curious how he seemed to initial some and not others.

Looking at the colored dots in image 12. I thought at first they might be
colored lights on a famous NY fountain.  Being unable to find such a fountain,
I thought they might represent fireworks.  It appears that Macy’s has presented
the
nations largest fireworks display
on July 4th…
(on or near Liberty Island over the East River) since 1976…first for the Bicentennial…
and before that, a fireworks display over the Hudson River since 1958.
This could be another New York City visual clue….easily viewed from Brooklyn.
“Macy’s 4th of July Fireworks in NYC is the largest display of pyrotechnic creativity and firepower in the nation.”
http://www.nyctourist.com/macys_fireworks.htm
“The Macy’s July 4th fireworks display originally made its debut on the Hudson River in 1958 before becoming an East River tradition in 1976.”
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s … google.com

Well said, well said Fox.  After further review, my suggestion wouldn’t work at all.  Everyone here is spread out across the country.  There’s only so much one can do for Houston while living in Jersey.  Recon is what will find that one.  Good luck Wilhouse!  For now, I will keep plugging at Ellis and post whatever I find.  I pass that area going to work every day and I just know it’s there.
Just found out that Liberty State Park is mostly built up from landfill as well, and by another railroad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_State_Park
weight and roots extended
here’s a great page for NY churches:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= … D%26sa%3DG

Thanks boogieman.  I too am pretty much sold on the Houston casque.  The Milwaukee casque seems to be becoming clearer as well.  You have me now convinced with the Ellis Island casque as one of the next to be found.
Here is another big window similar to the P.  This one being in the Train Station at Liberty State Park.  Do they all have to look like this?  lol
if you look at the lowest left corner of the window (as in the lower left hand of our P) you could {maybe a stretch} almost see the similarities between the two.
same train station has yet another clock as well….not like ours but clocks seem to be everywhere also.

WhiteRabbit,
Thanks for the refresher on how J Palencar incorporated visual clues!
AP

St. George doesn’t matter, it was just the location Barrett’s statue used to be located across the street from where it sits now. I’m just following the clues and the visual clues in the image, along with the Verse led me to the Barrett triangle. Barrett, while being insignificant to you, has a interest history in Staten Island and perhaps BP had an interest in his Barrett’s story.

Interesting stuff, but V1 goes with Houston.  I suppose it’s technically up for debate, since the casque wasn’t found (and probably won’t ever be found), but it’s the closest thing to a solve as there has been without actually turning up a treasure.

Yep, I’m with you matty…that is what I meant by my post.

Choice

In 1966 the island was turned over to the coast guard.
Coast guard was part of the dept of transportation.
So the question is: Was the coast guard as strict as the navy so to treat the island as a military base?

yes it was treated exactly the same.

still thinking Vancouver, myself

fox – I continue to believe this is a silhouette of an actual structure. The aspect is as if someone were standing on the sidewalk across the street taking pictures. I think BP probably took a picture of the place from somewhere on the street, gave the picture to JJP, and the silhouette was painted from the photo. The Milwaukee structure is a precedent for this idea – we see it in silhouette, but the exact vantage point can be identified if one were there in person.

Pine_Tree

still thinking Vancouver, myself

like this one?
http://www.holyres.org/
I too am with you FB.  I still think this is an actual church in NYC & that it is the perspective that is throwing us off.  The Milwaukee bldg is a perfect example.  This IS an actual church, whether it is in NY or not..only time will tell.

Does anyone see the similarity of this image to that of the origin of Pegasus?
The white winged horse sprang forth from the sea.  White robed woman floating above surf.
Pegasus created the Hippocrene.  Keats refers to the fountain in Ode to a Nightengale.
Maybe the woman is to be seen as Aphrodite and the seabird is to be seen in reference to a winged creature.  I’m surprised this aspect of sea foam and origins in Greek myth haven’t been discussed yet.

look at this clock at herald square, with minerva
http://www.whichyetsurvive.com/?p=4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HSquare.JPG

Slappy,
I know that you see a buffalo in this part of image 12.
Maybe it is a row of trees…at the edge of a wooded area.
They would certainly be recognizable if they were growing
with that curve in their trunks!
AP

That does look a bit forest-like…
One thing that bothers me about these puzzles is the final detail. Even if you could identify a particular tree or statue, it wouldn’t be reasonable to expect someone to excavate a trench round it. Or would it…? What could be the key that tells you precisely where to dig…?

it does look like a forest like that, but, seeing it so big, looking  sideways……maybe it’s showing a tunnel, under the water….or ..in the water.

maltedfalcon

yeah its tough.
In florida I was standing beside the only green picket fence around and I couldnt figure out a verse.
I was just noting that if you were going to draw lines on the image and say look at those and the figure they make.
that if you drew them to the top of the pole, then the lines would “hang” in space change in every picture you took from a different location.
however if you drew to the base of the pole the lines would be fixed along the ground.

For those of us that have never been to florida, how big is the area of the green fence? Is it a fenced off square or is it just one long fence?

cw0909

IIRC,we were looking in brooklyn at some could be sites,i ran across these maps,and not
sure if these old maps mark things that are no longer marked on newer maps,or no longer
there, anyway maybe they will help,and IDR if we decided on a V,hey spring is around the corner
http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Map/Maps.Main.html

thanks buddy. these maps are beautiful. it cool to think that the city was so big over a century ago.

While I understand there is a ‘push’ to think that everything is easier than we think it is/can be, going for the obvious cannot be the answer either.

maltedfalcon

yes it was treated exactly the same.

Everybody who went to the island walked off a boat and by a security checkpoint where you had to show id and explain the reason for your visit.
yes it could be simply to visit a friend who lived on the island
but carrying a shovel would probably cause issues.
It is plain and simply not on Governor’s Island.

I think so too. While Preiss wasn’t above dressing like a construction worker, I’d think even that wouldn’t fly on a military island. Even a risky dreamer like him had to consider that the military would come down hard on him when people started digging up holes on a military property, even if Preiss had buried a cask on a public section of it

I spent some time researching poses for angel statues over the weekend. The pose in P12 is not a common angel pose, but it is a common pose for the Virgin Mary–it’s a pose of reaching out and compassion.  There are a lot of VM statues about posed exactly like that picture’s lady. The tilt of the head, the drape of the dress, even the style of the dress all suggest virgin Mary rather than angel to me. So I wondered about that — in light of the other markers that lead to NYC, and did some poking about with Google. There is a replica of the statue of the Virgin at Lourdes at a NYC church…and the lady floats over the water pool.  This water is being used similiarly to that healing stuff at Lourdes in France, but the pose of the virgin’s statue is crossed-arm, rather than open armed.
http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/studentwork … 03/322.asp
The rectangle might be the nave of a church–or represent a niche. I agree about the gargoyle on the Chrysler Bldg–that bird looked more like a griffin to me at first, then i saw the Eagle gargoyles and it matches too well.
Anyway, I thought I’d add my 2 Cents worth about it. I don’t know if the stuff about the Virgin Mary might spark something else, but you never can tell.
c

I agree with shecrab, fox. I don’t see a strong resemblance between our flower-lady and the Angel:

Ok, I confess, I have been holding out on a theory I have been working on in hopes of amazing everyone, but alas, I have come up empty handed.  Bear with me…this is quite off the wall but I have been trying to explain the images (which have yet been explained) in the window area of the P.
I believe the lady in the P simply gets us to NYC.  The face (as shown of late) seems obviously to be Lady Liberty and her body representing the “Angel of the Waters” statue atop the Bethesda Fountain in Central Park.  The angel “carries a lily in one hand, representing purity, and with the other hand she blesses the water below”.  Description from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethesda_Fountain. 
Yes, I know, our P has a chrysanthemum and not a lily but the general pose seems to much to be coincidence.
Now comes the oddball idea.  What exactly are all of those images in the window area?  Possibly more specific directions to the casque.
1 –  the bird head.. I still think this is our Chrysler Bldg gargoyle…
2 –  the rectangle …  is it a building of some sort?
3 –  the church…  We still have yet to find an exact match of this church.  Does this orthodox church which looks like something from the Ottoman Empire even exist?
4 – the 3 “color blind test” looking areas…?… what the heck is this stuff?
matter
can be defined as:  the substance or substances of which any physical object consists or is composed… and there are 3 states of matter – solid (the red area), liquid (blue area) & gas (greyish area)
soooo…if we look at it in a very general way and order it 3,4,2 from above we get:  ottoman EMPIRE, STATEs of matter, BUILDING.
Now, I have the Empire State Building & the Chrysler Building depicted in the window area an low and behold, there is one park that sits pretty much in between the 2.  Bryant Park.  I have researched this park and it seems quite small and not a likely place for a casque though.  It is near the NY Public Library…and libraries have been coming up.  Like I said, it is a real stretch but it kind of explains some of the items.  To stretch it even more…..a possible explanation of the bird’s head:
To a Waterfowl
by William Cullen Bryant {similar to
Pierre
by Herman leading to Hermann Park in Houston}
Whither, ‘midst falling dew,
While glow the heavens with the last steps of day,
Far, through their rosy depths, dost thou pursue
Thy solitary way?
Vainly the fowler’s eye
Might mark thy distant flight to do thee wrong,
As, darkly painted on the crimson sky,
Thy figure floats along.
Seek’st thou the plashy brink
Of weedy lake, or marge of river wide,
Or where the rocking billows rise and sink
On the chafed ocean side?
There is a Power whose care
Teaches thy way along that pathless coast,–
The desert and illimitable air,–
Lone wandering, but not lost.
All day thy wings have fann’d
At that far height, the cold thin atmosphere:
Yet stoop not, weary, to the welcome land,
Though the dark night is near.
And soon that toil shall end,
Soon shalt thou find a summer home, and rest,
And scream among thy fellows; reed shall bend
Soon o’er thy sheltered nest.
Thou’rt gone, the abyss of heaven
Hath swallowed up thy form; yet, on my heart
Deeply hath sunk the lesson thou hast given,
And shall not soon depart.
He, who, from zone to zone,
Guides through the boundless sky thy certain flight,
In the long way that I must tread alone,
Will lead my steps aright.
The second paragraph does mention “crimson sky” and we do have a crimson colored square behind the bird.  Also..Bear Bryant coached the Crimson Tide (U of Alabama)…just another Bryant tie in..
there you have my wacky ideas which have so far lead me nowhere….just thought I would toss it out there for anyone who may wish to research the same path……

We only looked at the onion-domed churches, and could not find a match.

it’s funny, i mentioned grover cleveland b4 because he was the
22nd
and
24th
president, and he was sheriff and mayor of buffalo, then later the governor of ny:
http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WMQQ … Buffalo_NY
and they have those replicas of the statue of liberty ontop of the liberty national bank building:
http://www.buffalonews.com/city/article199136.ece
and olmsted parks:
http://www.andrle.com/markers/mark093.htm
lol, i told u guys i wasn’t good at maps……i thougth it was up there by my niagara falls (wexford county)…..but oh well, why would we have an irish flag with a russian picture anyway?  oh, i know, just ’cause he could

I will be posting a video later on today regarding the importance of the back of the book. I will be using the Houston location to provide examples of this so I will be posting part 1 under Image 8. Stay tuned.

Unknown

Unknown:
The back of the book is important and it helps tremendously for Houston and NY.

In what way? We can be fairly certain that NY and Houston are casque cities without any additional information from the rest of the book. I mean, it’s Step 1 (at worst, Step 1B) in my opinion. What would help tremendously is if the important information in the back of the book helped with Steps 3, 4, and/or 5. That’s the problem that needs solving, not just in those two puzzles, but in all of them.
Nice to see you posting again Karleen. I’m looking forward to the YT video and hopefully will have more to say once I’ve seen it.

davinci4

Agreed.
Will throw out two ideas:
1) Site is south of SOL (Bedloe’s Isle)
2) Site is in Brooklyn (Rhapsodic Man’s soil)
Draw an imaginary line and exclude everything north of SOL (Bedloe’s Isle). Narrow focus to Brooklyn with higher probability of parks on west side (Owls Head, JPJ) and less likely the further you go east (Prospect). Hard to imagine SOL north when you are standing in Prospect park, but wouldn’t completely exclude it. Agree?

Wait…why is Brooklyn “rhapsodic man’s soil”? I would strongly disagree with Prospect park though. Besides all the research that goes no where as far as connection to the puzzle in Prospect, we are way out of range of view of SOL.
J

Kang

For what it is worth, my opinion is the exact opposite. I believe there is a truckload of very specific information in Image 12, but that davinci4 is correct that it absolutely does not work like Cleveland or Chicago. Image 12 – along with some of the other paintings – 2 and 10 come to mind off the top of my head – don’t seem to have a Bowman/Greek Wall level image match. As in no doubt about it – that is this thing in the real world – and it can only be this to the exclusion of all other possibilities.
As for the verse, my approach is that the verses are descriptive of a general area or specific things that will be seen along the way but they are too vague to be relied upon without corresponding visual matches from the image. The verses are just too easy to shoehorn into any given park and spot. Just my opinion.

Agree and disagree as the book has so many image matches pertinent to image 12 that no one seems to trust nor discuss. I will be adding another video in the next week to explain all of this. The back of the book matters. Please–everyone–do not quote how BP said all you need is an image and a verse. That is true only to a point. The back of the book is important and it helps tremendously for Houston and NY.

NYCNative

I agree with the majority of the assessments.
We obviously know that the puzzles raises in difficulty and the the two that have been solved are of the easy level. So in order to make the puzzles more difficult we should expect less or no exact image matches and a change in the relation of the verse/image.
I think one of the safest assumptions is that the SOL is involved. Matched with the verse line “isle of B.” and the theory that all clues in the image can be seen from the dig site. So if all that is correct, we have to be looking south of SOL. I think this is the strongest clue a majority of us can agree on.
Other then the SOL, nothing else in image 12 is an obvious match. We can not play the same game as Chicago and Cleveland to find the solve here. I think we all have solid ideas that we can mostly agree on, after that we are going to have to think outside the box a bit to figure this out. However, if the above is true or at least makes sense to a majority of people, I would say that is a hell of a good start to solving it.

Agreed.
Will throw out two ideas:
1) Site is south of SOL (Bedloe’s Isle)
2) Site is in Brooklyn (Rhapsodic Man’s soil)
Draw an imaginary line and exclude everything north of SOL (Bedloe’s Isle). Narrow focus to Brooklyn with higher probability of parks on west side (Owls Head, JPJ) and less likely the further you go east (Prospect). Hard to imagine SOL north when you are standing in Prospect park, but wouldn’t completely exclude it. Agree?

Kang

I believe there is a truckload of very specific information in Image 12, but that davinci4 is correct that it absolutely does not work like Cleveland or Chicago. Image 12 – along with some of the other paintings – 2 and 10 come to mind off the top of my head – don’t seem to have a Bowman/Greek Wall level image match.

I’m under the same impression. I know a lot of people believe it, but I don’t think that each painting has an “on the spot exact match.” I understand that the two that were found did have such matches, but that also leads one to maybe think that not all of the puzzles included the same clues, especially since only two have been found thus far. People are looking for the other ten expecting to find an “on-site” clue, but it might not be there.
It seems that the individual images and verses each contain clues that are only shared with a few/small number of other images/verses. They don’t
all
contain the same types of clues, so this makes sense. Think about long/lat, state shapes, rebus puzzles, literary references, artistic references, on-site visuals, etc. Some have them, some don’t (as far as we know).
For those who think Image 12 might have a visual ID, as it were, I’ll just ask, what part of the painting could that ID
even
be? The onion dome? The SoL look-a-like? The “stained glass window”? There doesn’t seem to be anything that could possibly be an “on-site” match. If there is, please prove me wrong, and I say this with all sincerity.

As for the verse, my approach is that the verses are descriptive of a general area or specific things that will be seen along the way but they are too vague to be relied upon without corresponding visual matches from the image. The verses are just too easy to shoehorn into any given park and spot. Just my opinion.
Hi Kang. I agree with you in this aspect (“stonewalls door” could literally be put in every city in the US). I think the unique lines in verse 10/image 12 are regarding the ‘v.’ Presumably a physical description of two paths/streets at the cask site and running in a N-S or S-N direction. The person that solves this will riddle would presumably find a park with a distinct v border. I always liked 101st and 4th as the v at JPJ Park. But nothing really impressive 22 steps east from the entrance (middle) of 4th at least on Google views. No cannon, cannonball, obelisk, ship mast or gazebo either in the painting. Feel like you are supposed to see this special, distinct ‘rhapsodic soil’ once you find the treasure spot that is distinctly different from other grounds in the park.
Idyl. I agree with your assessment. This makes NY one of the most difficult puzzles. The verse is the only treasure map we have.

I agree with the majority of the assessments.
We obviously know that the puzzles raises in difficulty and the the two that have been solved are of the easy level. So in order to make the puzzles more difficult we should expect less or no exact image matches and a change in the relation of the verse/image.
I think one of the safest assumptions is that the SOL is involved. Matched with the verse line “isle of B.” and the theory that all clues in the image can be seen from the dig site. So if all that is correct, we have to be looking south of SOL. I think this is the strongest clue a majority of us can agree on.
Other then the SOL, nothing else in image 12 is an obvious match. We can not play the same game as Chicago and Cleveland to find the solve here. I think we all have solid ideas that we can mostly agree on, after that we are going to have to think outside the box a bit to figure this out. However, if the above is true or at least makes sense to a majority of people, I would say that is a hell of a good start to solving it.

karleen

…the book has so many image matches pertinent to image 12 that no one seems to trust nor discuss…

idyl

…but I don’t think that each painting has an “on the spot exact match.”…People are looking for the other ten expecting to find an “on-site” clue, but it might not be there…For those who think Image 12 might have a visual ID, as it were, I’ll just ask, what part of the painting could that ID
even
be?…There doesn’t seem to be anything that could possibly be an “on-site” match. If there is, please prove me wrong, and I say this with all sincerity.

davinci4

The verse is the only treasure map we have.

Karleen – I believe this is a symptom of what I was referring to. In essence, we are saying the same thing. Bowman and Greek Wall are so exact as to reality, no one can argue them. They put you in a location
to the exclusion of all others
. Image 12 (and others) by all reason do not work that way. There is nothing in Image 12 or 2 or 10 that say “this is the park/spot” and it can’t be anywhere else. The alternative is that there is a park somewhere in those cities that has
exact image matches
– and that park has escaped everyone’s notice. I do not think that is a remote possibility. So interpretation comes into play. And as soon as you introduce interpretation, 100% consensus disappears. As different folks are going to agree or disagree as to the interpretation. To me, that means that we need to look at things another way. Looking forward to your new video. I hope you choose to post it here as well.
Idyl – see comment above. I believe all the things you’re looking for are there in Image 12. But they do not work like Cleveland/Chicago. I do not believe anyone can prove you wrong without pulling the NY casque from the ground. I could put forth my interpretations, but that will not be proof to anyone’s satisfaction.
You are asking great questions. But I could not disagree more with the conclusion you propose here. I have nothing but empty holes to my name, but for what it’s worth I recommend looking for an alternate conclusion. See comments above.

davinci4

Will throw out two ideas:
1) Site is south of SOL (Bedloe’s Isle)
2) Site is in Brooklyn (Rhapsodic Man’s soil)
Draw an imaginary line and exclude everything north of SOL (Bedloe’s Isle). Narrow focus to Brooklyn with higher probability of parks on west side (Owls Head, JPJ) and less likely the further you go east (Prospect). Hard to imagine SOL north when you are standing in Prospect park, but wouldn’t completely exclude it. Agree?

This logically makes the most sense for a NY solution. Of course there are people who believe that Isle of B and Rhapsodic Man’s Soil mean something completely different or ignore them all together. But, realistically, I’d say we’re looking at southwestern Brooklyn (which many of you are probably well, well aware of).

Everytime I see rhapsodic man’s soil I think of two things: poetry and plow.

ahhh, I see what you mean johann.  It looks like an idea worth digging into again.  Dont you hate it how good ideas are researched a little only to be buried in the thread and forgotten about?  😛

Reposting a relevant comment relating to Image 12 from slappybuns
Re: General Questions
« Reply #357 on: July 11, 2009, 10:43:30 »
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if the shape of the park is somewhere in the images, like the Fountain of Youth park in florida, then i think the golden gate park in san francisco has to be it for image 1, and i’m wondering since, the lady in image 12 reminds me so much of the shape of prospect park in new york, maybe that’s the place……?

I like slappybuns’ idea …
not only because f the shape of the bottom of the lady’s dress is so similar to that of the shape of the park,
…
but it also gets us across the water at Manhattan Bridge and could confirm the “foo dog” in the wave
(the foo dog idea I posted previously can be found at a Buddhist Temple in Chinatown New York at 113 Canal Street …basically the beginning of the bridge)

NYCNative

The games theme is still the same. The tools and methods may very well be the same as well, just in a much different order. I have a suspicion that the day the next casque is found, we will realize we had all the right ideas, all the right clues, and just not in the right order or perspective. I also think time has played a big factor. HOw many of these burial spots are going to look the same 40 years later?

Having been to many of the sites, it is amazing to me how little has changed in the suspected and actual (Cle-Chi) sites. My take is that either BP chose his locations very wisely, or it is sheer luck that to this day you can still see many of the clues in each location. The issue that I see is that some of the finer details may have changed or have been removed, and this may be the the final casque location clues.
Having said this, NYC is an ever changing, dynamic place. If the casque was buried in a major park that has not undergone significant renovations, then it is probably still obtainable.

Unknown

Unknown:
My take is that either BP chose his locations very wisely, or it is sheer luck that to this day you can still see many of the clues in each location.

My money is on the former. People like to say that BP figured the puzzles would be solved relatively quickly (a few years at most), so he didn’t pay much attention to where he buried them. IMO, this is yet another thing that people get wrong. Have some of the sites changed? Absolutely. Is it still possbile to recover some or all of the remaining casques despite those changes? Again, I’m on the record as saying that all the puzzles are solveable, and that at least 6 of the remaining 10 casques are recoverable.

gManTexas

Having been to many of the sites, it is amazing to me how little has changed in the suspected and actual (Cle-Chi) sites. My take is that either BP chose his locations very wisely, or it is sheer luck that to this day you can still see many of the clues in each location. The issue that I see is that some of the finer details may have changed or have been removed, and this may be the the final casque location clues.
Having said this, NYC is an ever changing, dynamic place. If the casque was buried in a major park that has not undergone significant renovations, then it is probably still obtainable.

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t the Chicago puzzle the one that had to do with a row of trees that had no longer been there when the casque was dug?
Yes, a majority of these sites should be fine. Historical parks and sites rarely get demolished, replaced or move. But these little details, like trees, do change. So if all we had to go by was a clue about a row a trees that is no longer there, then it would be easy to say the location is wrong and move on. The casque would still be there, but one or more of the clues might be irrelevant at this point.

NYCNative

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t the Chicago puzzle the one that had to do with a row of trees that had no longer been there when the casque was dug?
Yes, a majority of these sites should be fine. Historical parks and sites rarely get demolished, replaced or move. But these little details, like trees, do change. So if all we had to go by was a clue about a row a trees that is no longer there, then it would be easy to say the location is wrong and move on. The casque would still be there, but one or more of the clues might be irrelevant at this point.

Yes, that is correct, but the Chicago guys had put it together nonetheless. They did get some assistance from BP, but if you look at the map they drew, they were nearly spot on.
Here we are almost 40 years later and we are working with the assumption that some of the clues may be gone, so we can dig in and try to find old photos, etc. that shows areas as they were, to help fill in the blanks.
What is more difficult is finding the little things that may be actual casque location clues. Maybe a light pole, or planter, or wrought iron fence. These things may not have been documented as well.

Kang

Thank you XeroDM!
Totally agree here.
Given the flaws that we can’t control, here is an attempt to pose my question in a way that attempts to allow for XeroDM’s optical mixing. Without zooming in, is the color represented here (flawed though it is) closer to Purple or Maroon? My proposal is that it’s clearly closer to Purple. Others are welcome to judge and come to their own conclusion.
That is a common sense approach. And will work if this puzzle works like the solved ones did. However I propose that approach becomes exponentially more difficult given two apparent things:
1. Nothing in Image 12 that are thought to be tangible objects look
exactly like anything
in NYC. Examples include The woman in dress, dress lion, stained glass window a fairly generic clock, etc. The firmest one is SOL face and even that one triggers debate.
2. OR – the other items thought to be tangible objects are so generic their matches are too numerous to count. Tall arch, Tall rectangle, Scottish Lion, purple square, yellow square, arch shaped things, 3 water droplets and colored dots.
Given the vagueness of the verses, it’s the same situation. Endless possibilities for ‘matches.’ Slender paths, arms, hard words, whirring, v’s. No Congress. No L sits. No Socrates, Pindar Apelles.
So any theory location using this approach ends up being something along the lines of: spot or path to spot includes a statue that sorta looks like the woman with arms, droning sounds, a tall arch, a tall rectangle near a stained glass window and a clock that contains roman numerals near a v. Which is fine but ends up being a theory that given those things is more or less no more persuasive than 10 other theories doing the same thing with different objects in 10 other spots.
There’s nothing wrong with trying to work the puzzle that way.
All I’m saying is – is anyone willing to consider that the puzzle may just work differently from that? That there may be meaning in the items JJP put into image 12 beyond just
what they look like
??
Thank you X for your insights and for constructively improving this conversation.

Purple, and a slightly deeper shade is shown than the one you picked. That’s what I see.
Having looked into all of the puzzles (some more deeply than others, I would suggest that you are 100% right in saying that they don’t all work the same. There’s no way SF and Charleston work the same way. SF has different parks with loads of statues, markers, etc. Charleston has very few parks with these things. SF verse has what can easily be fitted into a single path, point-to-point. Charleston verse has the word “or” used more than once. How can a single path have a “this way” or “that way” in it? Not likely. The pictures have different stylistic natures. SF can be construed as a map, Milwaukee would be almost impossible to find a map in. Boston and SF have a lot of picture similarities, etc.
Each location has a different set of variables in the environment, so the puzzles need to adapt to that. The materials that BP gave to JJP for each picture would undoubtedly have been different because he could or couldn’t find maps of locations/ parks, some would not have distinctive buildings nearby, etc.
I have been playing around with making my own puzzles to see how they could have made the Secret, and that’s what I have learnt. You can’t attack every location the same way, it just doesn’t always work with the variables at hand.
Plus… if they were all the same style of puzzle, once you found the formula for one, you have cracked the rest. And the formula has been cracked: Faerie, Gem, flower, clock. These are the constants, but none of these have anything to do with the city. They are laid on top as part of the story. The rest of the “clues” become very inconsistent quickly- Milwaukee rebus stands out as unique…
If the encoding of clues if different, we certainly should be looking at what possibilities were available to BP & JJP and start exploring them. They’re all valid as you said!

XeroDM

Purple, and a slightly deeper shade is shown than the one you picked. That’s what I see.
Having looked into all of the puzzles (some more deeply than others, I would suggest that you are 100% right in saying that they don’t all work the same. There’s no way SF and Charleston work the same way. SF has different parks with loads of statues, markers, etc. Charleston has very few parks with these things. SF verse has what can easily be fitted into a single path, point-to-point. Charleston verse has the word “or” used more than once. How can a single path have a “this way” or “that way” in it? Not likely. The pictures have different stylistic natures. SF can be construed as a map, Milwaukee would be almost impossible to find a map in. Boston and SF have a lot of picture similarities, etc.
Each location has a different set of variables in the environment, so the puzzles need to adapt to that. The materials that BP gave to JJP for each picture would undoubtedly have been different because he could or couldn’t find maps of locations/ parks, some would not have distinctive buildings nearby, etc.
I have been playing around with making my own puzzles to see how they could have made the Secret, and that’s what I have learnt. You can’t attack every location the same way, it just doesn’t always work with the variables at hand.
Plus… if they were all the same style of puzzle, once you found the formula for one, you have cracked the rest. And the formula has been cracked: Faerie, Gem, flower, clock. These are the constants, but none of these have anything to do with the city. They are laid on top as part of the story. The rest of the “clues” become very inconsistent quickly- Milwaukee rebus stands out as unique…
If the encoding of clues if different, we certainly should be looking at what possibilities were available to BP & JJP and start exploring them. They’re all valid as you said!

This is well said and I agree with most of it. I think the puzzles are different not only because each location has different properties but also because of the raised level of difficulty (which I am sure has been stated a thousand times). I don’t think the verse are more cryptic or have hidden meanings to it. Seems like an over kill to hide a riddle within a riddle. The obvious difficulty comes from the image and how well hidden the clues are. BP’s writing is no where as strong as JJP’s art.
The games theme is still the same. The tools and methods may very well be the same as well, just in a much different order. I have a suspicion that the day the next casque is found, we will realize we had all the right ideas, all the right clues, and just not in the right order or perspective. I also think time has played a big factor. HOw many of these burial spots are going to look the same 40 years later?
With that being said, I think it is worth exploring the idea that SF and NYC puzzles have some things in common. More specifically, BP put so much emphasis on immigration from the old world to the new. NYC and SF fits his theme better then any other location because of being the two major ports of immigration to America. As many of us have speculate, Image 12 seems to have multiple image clues to Ellis Island and I wonder if that was the same case with Angel Island?

I am just point out the fact that a clue of the Chicago verse was based on something that would not, and did not, stand the test of time. Which just means that is a possibility in others. That is all. So it is possible. Meaning, even if you find a spot and everything fits perfectly but you can not find a v shaped path ( lets just assume for this example) that shouldn’t exclude said spot. Make sense?

To me, that is just a popular excuse.
The sign is gone, the tree was cut down, the statue was moved.
It leaves the possibility of your “solve” to still be correct while having nothing to show for it.
I’m not preaching here, I am speaking from experience. I am just as guilty as anyone who has used this excuse.
It’s usually accompanied by the old “missed it by a few inches” routine. The sooner we can admit it, the sooner the analysis paralysis will subside.
Edit:
Gman’s earlier point is solid. If it was there at one point, there is likely some record of it. Aerial photos, historic park photos, old city plans, family picnic photos, etc.
Don’t use the excuse just because it’s readily available.

BINGO

To me, that is just a popular excuse.
The sign is gone, the tree was cut down, the statue was moved.
It leaves the possibility of your “solve” to still be correct while having nothing to show for it.
I’m not preaching here, I am speaking from experience. I am just as guilty as anyone who has used this excuse.
It’s usually accompanied by the old “missed it by a few inches” routine. The sooner we can admit it, the sooner the analysis paralysis will subside.

For sure I can see how people can use it for an excuse.
What I am trying to get at, and Gman made this point as well, is one missing element of the clues we have been given does not mean that you need to throw in the towel. The reason I am mentioning it is because people seem to look for clues separately to confirm a location, to then do more research on it, which would be tragic if you have the right spot but gave up because one thing did not fit.

For those interested, a synopsis of my recent trip to New York with James Renner:
Met up with James and his film crew AND Byron’s two daughters. Lovely girls and they were THRILLED to be part of the search. Was so interesting to see it through their eyes. Showed them all the Roman Orthodox Church in Brooklyn across from McCarren Park and got some ooohs and ahhs. Went next to Prospect Park, after first stopping at the house where Byron was born (near the park!!). After traveling from one end to the other and ending in Concert Grove (aka Rhapsodic Man’s soil) I can confidently say that the treasure is NOT buried there. The girls were excited at the “prospect” (excuse the pun) and felt confident their dad would have buried a casque in the borough of his birth. And there were even some high hopes – like when we were looking at a map in the park and saw a refernce to a small man made island just north of Concert Grove called Musical Bear Island (The Isle of B???). And then when we found a large gazeebo that looked like it might have housed a carousel (cars abound) many years back and, after jumping over the do not enter fences to do a more thorough investigation, we saw not only the same color scheme in the inside roof (pale yellow, maroon and blue) but more amazing, there is a stain glass panel at the very center that even had some small circlular baubles in different spots that sort of resembled the color blind panels, albeit in small doses. After some initial goosebumps, we traversed that Concert Grove area looking for a V and walked 22 steps “or Moore” (towards the bust of composer Moore) in an area near busts of Mozart and Beethoven, both of whom have been referenced in previous prose, hoping we might find a suitable spot for digging. But alas, we all came to the conclusion that there is simply no way that the casque is buried in Prospect Park. And that was after exploring the large arch (grey giant?) adjacent to the Brooklyn Public Library (that was adorned with gold images including an indian and Moby Dick — Melville, him of Hard Words?). Bottom line is that this entire location seemed like a stretch at best and there was NEVER that “A-Ha” moment that I experienced so clearly in Cleveland when Egbert and I discovered the treasure in the Greek Cultural Gardens 10 years ago.
From there we headed to Downtown Manhattan and explored the Battery Park area. Lots of clues to match up to the prose – the fact that the Fraunces Tavern sign mentions the West Indies native being a block from Mellvile’s birth plaque (“A man thinks that by mouthing Hard Words he understands hard things”) and standing at the very end of Broadway and looking north up that long “aisle”/isle of B (Broadway) the only structure visible in the distance is CLEARLY the Chrysler building, perfectly framed by the aisle of B itself (that dreaded Eagle gargoyle?) Whirring sounds from the nearby Staten Island Ferry and the nearby helliport, and clear sight lines for both Lady Liberty and Ellis Island (though not the docking area that appears to be referenced outlined in red in the illustration) and also some nice sculptures above the Battery Tunnel that show both the archway for the Verrazano Bridge and (in a separate panel) Peter Minuet buying Manhattan from the Indians (for the glass baubles?) Still, despite some better clues all around, the Battery Park area just did not feel right. Too spread out with no one place that seemed right.
We did NOT get to explore the area at the base of the Verrezano (JPJ Park and Ft. Hamilton) which remains a popular theory for some. We also did not get to visit Roosevelt Island, a theory that I feel is quite valid (formerly Blackwell’s Island and if standing at the Southern tip in the park area, you can gaze north to the Isle of B (Blackwell). From there, you can hear the whirring sound of the overhead Roosevelt Island Tramcar, opened in the late 1970s and according to his daughters, they lived right there, and their dad loved taking them on that tramcar to Roosevelt Island. It also stands in the shadow of a Grey Giant (the UN Building that looks like the grey monlith in the image) and has a remarkable view of the Chrylser building (the eagle). But I digress …
So, after traversing a LOT of ground and re-exploring some old theories with some new friends, the consensus is that while Byron MUST have buried a casque in his hometown area of Brooklyn or lower Manhattan, it is NOT at Prospect Park and probably not at Battery Park. Again, JPJ Park remains in the hunt, assuming the prose can really be tied in, and Roosevelt island (where Dickens visited — him of Hard [Times] Words in Three original Vols. — to write about the Lunatic Assylum there) remains a personal theory of some value, Image 12 and NY as a whole remains one heck of a mystery. When comparing Cleveland to Chicago, both images contained specific images that could be seen at the site location and the prose contained specific words or imagery that could also be seen at the exact spot, giving you the X marks the spot undeniable feeling. Unfortunately, that feeling did not exist at any of the locals we had a chance to visit, leaving us to feel more like we were trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. The search, and the documentary, continues …

For those interested, a synopsis of my recent trip to New York with James Renner:
Met up with James and his film crew AND Byron’s two daughters. Lovely girls and they were THRILLED to be part of the search. Was so interesting to see it through their eyes. Showed them all the Roman Orthodox Church in Brooklyn across from McCarren
Park
and got some ooohs and ahhs. Went next to Prospect
Park
, after first stopping at the house where Byron was born (near the
park
!!). After traveling from one end to the other and ending in Concert Grove (aka Rhapsodic Man’s soil) I can confidently say that the treasure is NOT buried there. The girls were excited at the “prospect” (excuse the pun) and felt confident their dad would have buried a casque in the borough of his birth. And there were even some high hopes – like when we were looking at a map in the
park
and saw a refernce to a small man made island just north of Concert Grove called Musical Bear Island (The Isle of B???). And then when we found a large gazeebo that looked like it might have housed a carousel (cars abound) many years back and, after jumping over the do not enter fences to do a more thorough investigation, we saw not only the same color scheme in the inside roof (pale yellow, maroon and blue) but more amazing, there is a stain glass panel at the very center that even had some small circlular baubles in different spots that sort of resembled the color blind panels, albeit in small doses. After some initial goosebumps, we traversed that Concert Grove area looking for a V and walked 22 steps “or Moore” (towards the bust of composer Moore) in an area near busts of Mozart and Beethoven, both of whom have been referenced in previous prose, hoping we might find a suitable spot for digging. But alas, we all came to the conclusion that there is simply no way that the casque is buried in Prospect
Park
. And that was after exploring the large arch (grey giant?) adjacent to the Brooklyn Public Library (that was adorned with gold images including an indian and Moby Dick — Melville, him of Hard Words?). Bottom line is that this entire location seemed like a stretch at best and there was NEVER that “A-Ha” moment that I experienced so clearly in Cleveland when Egbert and I discovered the treasure in the Greek Cultural Gardens 10 years ago.
From there we headed to Downtown Manhattan and explored the Battery
Park
area. Lots of clues to match up to the prose – the fact that the Fraunces Tavern sign mentions the West Indies native being a block from Mellvile’s birth plaque (“A man thinks that by mouthing Hard Words he understands hard things”) and standing at the very end of Broadway and looking north up that long “aisle”/isle of B (Broadway) the only structure visible in the distance is CLEARLY the Chrysler building, perfectly framed by the aisle of B itself (that dreaded Eagle gargoyle?) Whirring sounds from the nearby Staten Island Ferry and the nearby helliport, and clear sight lines for both Lady Liberty and Ellis Island (though not the docking area that appears to be referenced outlined in red in the illustration) and also some nice sculptures above the Battery Tunnel that show both the archway for the Verrazano Bridge and (in a separate panel) Peter Minuet buying Manhattan from the Indians (for the glass baubles?) Still, despite some better clues all around, the Battery
Park
area just did not feel right. Too spread out with no one place that seemed right.
We did NOT get to explore the area at the base of the Verrezano (JPJ
Park
and Ft. Hamilton) which remains a popular theory for some. We also did not get to visit Roosevelt Island, a theory that I feel is quite valid (formerly Blackwell’s Island and if standing at the Southern tip in the
park
area, you can gaze north to the Isle of B (Blackwell). From there, you can hear the whirring sound of the overhead Roosevelt Island Tramcar, opened in the late 1970s and according to his daughters, they lived right there, and their dad loved taking them on that tramcar to Roosevelt Island. It also stands in the shadow of a Grey Giant (the UN Building that looks like the grey monlith in the image) and has a remarkable view of the Chrylser building (the eagle). But I digress …
So, after traversing a LOT of ground and re-exploring some old theories with some new friends, the consensus is that while Byron MUST have buried a casque in his hometown area of Brooklyn or lower Manhattan, it is NOT at Prospect
Park
and probably not at Battery
Park
. Again, JPJ
Park
remains in the hunt, assuming the prose can really be tied in, and Roosevelt island (where Dickens visited — him of Hard [Times] Words in Three original Vols. — to write about the Lunatic Assylum there) remains a personal theory of some value, Image 12 and NY as a whole remains one heck of a mystery. When comparing Cleveland to Chicago, both images contained specific images that could be seen at the site location and the prose contained specific words or imagery that could also be seen at the exact spot, giving you the X marks the spot undeniable feeling. Unfortunately, that feeling did not exist at any of the locals we had a chance to visit, leaving us to feel more like we were trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. The search, and the documentary, continues …

Mr merit

Well I’m a newbie since Feb. And I’ve had some crazy ideas and been all over trying to think outside the box .frankly this puzzle eventually makes you quite humble .there is always something you havent found .you think you have some intellect ,artistic sense and maybe a little better feel at finding the obscure but you find yourself wrong .as a searcher you evolve into this seek .the veterans already know this and it must be hard to see all the ideas, trolling and digging without proof or at least somewhat concrete proof .Just my 2 cents

and that is not the worst part, there was this “wiki” that i still have no clue even to this day of how to just make comments to
whatever they post there made it seems really official if another one way thinker saw it then that’s it, path set
when one imagination goes wrong, the dream becomes nightmare, but when more and more one way thinkers join in and keep adding more and more imaginations to make it seems extremely complicated and non-sense
but can’t blame them, the books story is about USA history and after one or two history class from looking into these Verse I have discovered this is EXACTLY how the system work* if you know what I mean
those in limbo will never wake up, but if you look and search around, you will see, you’re not alone

I was in Manhattan a couple of weeks ago, and randomly found myself walking by the entrance to the children’s zoo in Central Park. There was talk some time ago about the Delacorte Clock bear appearing the foam in P12. That may be true. I was unable to get a clear shot of him, but decided to post these anyway:

Here is a comparison for the robe face. This match is between the robe and a computer generated image of a George Washington likeness.
Here are some links to image projects.
http://www.nriinternet.com/Section3Who/WhoUSA/A_D/Anshuman_Razdan/index.htm
http://prism.asu.edu/research/gwproject.php
http://www.benjaminrush.com/washingtongeorge.com/

I know that the focus is on the Holley monument right now, but I just wanted to throw out a piece of info that I saw on the NY Parks website.  Apparantly, Garibaldi was known as the “sword of Italian unification.”  You could translate that to be “that bar that binds.”
http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_your_par … hp?id=8712
Shannon

And look at this.  I never thought this to be true, but you can see both of them!
edit: I don’t know Italian, but Shannon, this is on the Garibaldi monument.  I assume it references what you found.

Line-by-line, it translates to:
The 2nd of June
1888
The Italians
of the United States
of America
they erected

Wind rose is a compass, I dont see any assocation past that indicated.

maltedfalcon, yes, with the cut and dry point of view, wind rose compass is the given.  The nice historic presentation in FOY looks like a great find for this, only nobody including Stercox has drawn a decent point of reference from it’s location compared to other spots of interest.  The whole perspective seems lost in a discussion about shifting fence boundaries.
I’ve been looking at Image 12 as a “window” painting.  I wouldn’t expect the verse to draw attention to the same item of reference if the image is already doing that job, but just in case, I wanted to consider a word playful idea.  ROSE WINDow is just a small adjustment to WIND ROSE.  I’m using both to focus on San Juan Island and unfortunately I’m not seeing any circular windows or nearby Cathedrals.  Seems like a dead end for that thought process.

I’m wondering if we should start a thread about the buildings/icons in each painting?
With the Cleveland solve, we have–very definitively– the colums, the wall, the fountain and the Terminal Tower. They are represented in an exact manner in the Cleveland Painting.
With the Chicago solve, we have–very definitively–the water tower, the fence post with the arc, the Bowman statue. They are represented in an exact manner in the Chicago Painting.
What do we have for New York? An illusion of the Statue of Liberty. Her face is not quite her face. Her hair is not her hair. We have blue turrets that might be a Russian church but there’s not crosses as finials. We, kind of, have an Ellis Island Eagle? But just the face, with the body of a gull or duck and tail feathers that don’t quite make sense.
Thoughts?

MrSeabass

No because the forum is fragmented enough already.

Agreed

karleen

I’m wondering if we should start a thread about the buildings/icons in each painting?
With the Cleveland solve, we have–very definitively– the colums, the wall, the fountain and the Terminal Tower. They are represented in an exact manner in the Cleveland Painting.
With the Chicago solve, we have–very definitively–the water tower, the fence post with the arc, the Bowman statue. They are represented in an exact manner in the Chicago Painting.
What do we have for New York? An illusion of the Statue of Liberty. Her face is not quite her face. Her hair is not her hair. We have blue turrets that might be a Russian church but there’s not crosses as finials. We, kind of, have an Ellis Island Eagle? But just the face, with the body of a gull or duck and tail feathers that don’t quite make sense.
Thoughts?

Okay, so we won’t create a new thread, but we need to put our heads together on this one because IT. IS. DIFFICULT.

karleen

Okay, so we won’t create a new thread, but we need to put our heads together on this one because IT. IS. DIFFICULT.

Well, that’s what we are doing.

gManTexas

After bouncing some stuff off my brain and a couple of other people, I have a good feeling about a couple of things.
If we look at Image 12, the lady is a representation of Lady Liberty. You can also see a partial lion’s face in her dress. When we put the two together, you get
Lion of Liberty
which is a reference to Patrick Henry, who famously said, “Give me Liberty, or Give me Death!”. I went into more detail in the Verse 10 thread, but suffice to say that I believe that the verse:
The natives still speak
Of {him of Hard word in 3 Vols.}
When we read it and study the construction of the sentence, means to substitute
Patrick Henry
in where the brackets are. Now, since the lion’s face is incomplete, so is the name. In Brooklyn, there was a state senator named Patrick Henry McCarren (1849-1909). He was loved by the natives of Brooklyn. There is a park named after him, and a Russian Orthodox Church across the street from his park in the Greenpoint neighborhood.
I still believe that the casque is in Prospect Park, however I think this truly grounds us in Brooklyn. See the Verse 10 thread for more background info.

Also,might be good to give John Howard Payne a look up as well, when considering prospect. I found an amazing book on the history of Prospect park and Botanical gardens, since there have been statues and monuments that would have been there in the early 80’s that are no longer there today.

As I see rhapsodic man as a directional clue, how does Payne help in that regard, unless we use the former statue location as a directional marker? Or should we use East Hampton perhaps?

gManTexas

As I see rhapsodic man as a directional clue, how does Payne help in that regard, unless we use the former statue location as a directional marker?

I do not think Payne himself has much to do with anything. however, he is a prime example of the type of transformation the park has seen consistently. Whole statues have been stolen from the park or vandalized. Payne was taken down in the mid 70’s but the base of the monument stood there until 2000. That part of the park was named Payne hill, not sure if it is anymore. So much research needs to be done in regards to what was happening there around the time the casques had been buried. And that brings up another important question…
What is the time line between the book being produced/the creation of the paintings and verses, the casques being buried, and the books release in 1982? Since we do know that he placed markers that would not stand the test of time as well as local references of that time.

NYCNative

I do not think Payne himself has much to do with anything. however, he is a prime example of the type of transformation the park has seen consistently. Whole statues have been stolen from the park or vandalized. Payne was taken down in the mid 70’s but the base of the monument stood there until 2000. That part of the park was named Payne hill, not sure if it is anymore. So much research needs to be done in regards to what was happening there around the time the casques had been buried. And that brings up another important question…
What is the time line between the book being produced/the creation of the paintings and verses, the casques being buried, and the books release in 1982? Since we do know that he placed markers that would not stand the test of time as well as local references of that time.

It was approximately 2 years.

gManTexas

It was approximately 2 years.

Gracias senor. That helps!

Nice find on the Central Synagogue!  I like it a lot!

boogieman, i really really feel, the mosaics are the bus stops, (train stops, subways)
http://nycsubway.org/articles/indcolor.html
and, i really really feel the green and red and brown and yellow in the fair folks guide is for the bus stops, or train or whatever.
not sure if it helps in anyway, ’cause not sure how to read the image, but i think the stop around walt whitman park is violet and grape……which makes me think of the first mosaics in the image

One of the most frustrating yet fascinating parts of image 12 is that the first clue (statue of liberty face) is right there for the naked eye to see without thinking twice about it. I think because of that, many people just assume that other objects, such as the “onion domes” should also be taken at face value. This seems like a mistake while knowing the artists talent to hide shapes and objects in images. It also seems redundant to make 3 clues connect to one small area (liberty face, ellis island, governors island).
A common theme in some of the images is the outline of the state, a park or nearby major highways. After all this time, one has yet to be found that outlines one of the boroughs or the state itself. Some can argue that there are two possible parks outlines in the image and perhaps one of those theories are correct. Beside the face of image 12, not many other clues are agreed upon and clear. is there a 74 in the water? is there an eye of horus in the water also?
This image frustrates me more then any other and by the lack of attention it usually gets, i bet my sentiment is shared by the majority.

One of the most frustrating yet fascinating parts of image 12 is that the first clue (statue of liberty face) is right there for the naked eye to see without thinking twice about it. I think because of that, many people just assume that other objects, such as the “onion domes” should also be taken at face value. This seems like a mistake while knowing the artists talent to hide shapes and objects in images. It also seems redundant to make 3 clues connect to one small area (liberty face, ellis island, governors island).
A common theme in some of the images is the outline of the state, a
park
or nearby major highways. After all this time, one has yet to be found that outlines one of the boroughs or the state itself. Some can argue that there are two possible parks outlines in the image and perhaps one of those theories are correct. Beside the face of image 12, not many other clues are agreed upon and clear. is there a 74 in the water? is there an eye of horus in the water also?
This image frustrates me more then any other and by the lack of attention it usually gets, i bet my sentiment is shared by the majority.

NYCNative

One of the most frustrating yet fascinating parts of image 12 is that the first clue (statue of liberty face) is right there for the naked eye to see without thinking twice about it. I think because of that, many people just assume that other objects, such as the “onion domes” should also be taken at face value. This seems like a mistake while knowing the artists talent to hide shapes and objects in images. It also seems redundant to make 3 clues connect to one small area (liberty face, ellis island, governors island).
A common theme in some of the images is the outline of the state, a park or nearby major highways. After all this time, one has yet to be found that outlines one of the boroughs or the state itself. Some can argue that there are two possible parks outlines in the image and perhaps one of those theories are correct. Beside the face of image 12, not many other clues are agreed upon and clear. is there a 74 in the water? is there an eye of horus in the water also?
This image frustrates me more then any other and by the lack of attention it usually gets, i bet my sentiment is shared by the majority.

I share that view. It is purposefully vague.

NYCNative

One of the most frustrating yet fascinating parts of image 12 is that the first clue (statue of liberty face) is right there for the naked eye to see without thinking twice about it. I think because of that, many people just assume that other objects, such as the “onion domes” should also be taken at face value. This seems like a mistake while knowing the artists talent to hide shapes and objects in images. It also seems redundant to make 3 clues connect to one small area (liberty face, ellis island, governors island).
A common theme in some of the images is the outline of the state, a
park
or nearby major highways. After all this time, one has yet to be found that outlines one of the boroughs or the state itself. Some can argue that there are two possible parks outlines in the image and perhaps one of those theories are correct. Beside the face of image 12, not many other clues are agreed upon and clear. is there a 74 in the water? is there an eye of horus in the water also?
This image frustrates me more then any other and by the lack of attention it usually gets, i bet my sentiment is shared by the majority.

I share that view. It is purposefully vague.

There’s a reference to NYC Chinatown pagoda phone booth in the book.
https://tinyurl.com/y4nqjuxb
https://www.payphone-project.com/chinat … vered.html

NYCNative

One of the most frustrating yet fascinating parts of image 5 is that the first clue (The Chicago Water tower) is right there for the naked eye to see without thinking twice about it. I think because of that, many people just assume that other objects, such as the “Bowman Statue” should also be taken at face value. This seems like a mistake while knowing the artists talent to hide shapes and objects in images. It also seems redundant to make r clues connect to one small area (The Bowman, That weird fence rail, the fountain of the lakes, or even the trim off that building).
This image frustrates me more then any other and by the lack of attention it usually gets, i bet my sentiment is shared by the majority.

Lets Just Say for fun… that BP never helped the guys in Chicago, so it was never actually dug up, you would probably be saying…
]
of course the trouble is the water tower is no where near the bowman or the location. Why should the SOL be any different?

That is the point I am trying to make. Chicago is a great example of clues in the image that match up really well with the actual object on the ground. in image 12, all we really have is the SOL face, which to me, stand out more then the Chicago water tower. Even someone with little to no knowledge of NYC would spot that iconic face right away.
I understand that there can be multiple clues about the same area hidden in the image, my point was that it seems unlikely, for image 12, for all the plain sight clues to be in that one area, as it has been suggested in the past.

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Even someone with little to no knowledge of NYC would spot that iconic face right away.

And conclude that there’s treasure buried in New York. Seems like a great way to sell some books.

I don’t want to slow the momentum on Milwaulkee.  Stercox is driving this home.  Let me just say, Battery Park is it.  Wilhouse suggested an outlying area.  Peter Minuit Plaza is actually concidered part of the battery, but just outside the park.  If it is indeed Battery Park, I would have certainly included the St Elizabeth Ann Bayley Seton Shrine in my clues if the casque were buried right across the street.  I will get a close-up.  I was staring at it the last time I was there, but was hooked on The Walloon Memorial at the time. BTW, Peter Minuit was also a
Walloon
.
Born of ancient dreams of flight?
Walloon-Balloon-geez, that’s a reach…. I hope it’s still there.

Keep in mind that in all of the other solves,
all aspects of the image fit into a nice synopsis
of the site – of course, it depends on perspective
in size and perspective in mindset.
Image 12 overall indicates a window and the upper
portion indicates a stained glass window.  Note the water
drops beading below the floating woman (with gem)
The woman is a religious icon, but as she is floating, she is
in the position of being assumed both in body and spirit.
Catholics believe that this only relates to Jesus and the Virgin Mary.
I have not been able to find a matching image of the Virgin Mary
in this manner without head covering.  The stained glass in the
Holy Resurrection of Vancouver has one similar but not close enough.
The bird is not an eagle.  The feet are webbed.  I believe that this is
more closely related to a Sea Hawk (also known as a sea eagle or an osprey)
Note the brown on the wings and underbelly.
An important item which I have looked into are the Sea Pebbles, Cobblestones,
Ocean Glass.  (These do not look like beads to me.)
This is individualized in three seperate window panes.
I do concurr that in the water is ’74’ for the lats.
FWIW….
I am attempting to link the Pandora image with Vancouver Island.

I like the Battery Park location much better than JPJ park, but…
what are the “simple roots?” And why is he(Minuit) “rhapsodic?”
And where are the mosaics?
I don’t think the domes match, either. I do like the concrete squares & V-shaped memorial however.

in case boogie hasnt dug it up yet, he might try this
plan b for casque
i think i have found a link in battery park
for the casque site, i think this
part of the v
And see simple roots
In rhapsodic man’s soil
is referring to peter minuit/ pronounced like the minuet waltz
Legacy
Peter Minuit is commemorated by Peter Minuit Plaza, north of the Whitehall Ferry
Terminal; by a marker in Inwood Hill Park at the supposed site of the actual
purchase of Manhattan; by a
granite flagstaff base in Battery Park,
which depicts
the historic purchase; by a school and playground in East Harlem; by the Peter
Minuit Chapter of the Daughters of the American Revolution; and by a memorial on
Moltkestraße in Wesel, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany. He was played by Groucho
Marx in the film The Story of Mankind.
the above found under LEGACY here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Minuit
Or gaze north
Toward the isle of B. / i think this would be bowling green
From the middle of one branch
Of the v Look down
i think this means the 3 arms on the flagstaff,they would form
a V scroll down, a pic here. not to sure on this as it, is a concrete
area and not sure if, walking the 22 steps for the hr. would be
enough for a dig site
http://www.thebattery.org/battery/monuments.php
In the shadow
Of the grey giant
and this part of v maybe the T Towers or this
http://travel.webshots.com/photo/294903 … 4010IkqeHJ
found some domes/ i think mentioned b4
The Immigration Museum at the Ellis Island National Monument
could this be the domes in pic
http://img2.scoop.co.nz/stories/images/ … a1c86.jpeg
another view and story
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19206
if the robed lady is not liberty then, she could be this/ i think was mentioned b4
a Statue of St. Elizabeth Ann Shrine of
St. Elizabeth Ann Seton Church of Our Lady of the Rosary 7 State Street New York, NY 10004 …
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_GLfZG0Cd4L8/S … G_1422.JPG
another look
http://www.greatwhatsit.com/wp-content/ … street.jpg
i think all these places except, the domes, and if it is liberty
are on the north side of park.
cars and whirring sound, is prob the tunnel, on the north
side of park, and the vols. is prob volume as in size
maybe 3 different size plaques/ or sides with writing on
the flagstaff base/monument
ill see if i can find some better pics of the flagstaff monument
the colored windows, may have been something, there or near by
but ny has done a lot of renewal in the park, and surrounding areas
since the 80s, so that could be gone

cw0909 – I think your Peter Minuit idea is inspired.

Thucydides seems to obviously be our Boston V.

I think Fox is right here Trohn.  I THINK.  As always, we can’t really know til it’s dug up.  As for the green picket fence, seems there would be something like that in an image, like maybe image6.  When Fox brought up V5 for image12, it started to click, even though I had considered weight and roots for image2 a long time ago.  The roots give you the real literal piece you are looking for with the palmetto trees.  Yet, in my mind, it feels right for Battery Park.  Except for the “saved the site” part.  Can’t really line that one up without a little reaching.
I’m looking at the grey giant for this one now because of the grey giant twin tower.  I don’t think it is a bridge, but the trail, for now, is dictating that it could be, putting the literal piece (twin tower) on a shelf.  This church in Bayonne, like Forest wrote, is the best match I’ve seen and I was hoping that it would hit me square in the face when I got there.  It didn’t, but I actually enjoyed the trip.
With a wife and three kids, time is very valuable so the going is slow.  Alas, I could really use some help on the recon.  This is a big area and the traffic stinks, plus we lead the country in toll roads.  Thanks to you all that it is still fun and there is still hope.

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Thanks to Dan’s high res pics, I was able to look at this pic in more detail.  In the middle of the ocean appears to be the number 74 with an X below it — it is very faint, written in the white part of the ocean.  Am I just seeing things?  Anyone see anything else?  I would think that the ocean, which takes up half the picture, would hold a couple of clues.  If you delude yourself enough  😉 you can see a large letter “N’ written in white foam on the blue ocean.  Anyone else see that?

Thanks to Fox, the 74 can now be said to apply to the latitude/longitude of New York City.  Now all we need is a 40 or 41.  Anyone care to count the dots?

Hi all–I have another connection that I don’t see discussed anywhere.
The rectangle with the red outline in the lower left of the window/grid. The fact that it’s red has always been very important to me.
This is certainly a stretch, but…
Could it be a representation of the White Hall Building?
http://www.nyc-architecture.com/LM/whhall.jpg
Perched so conveniently facing Battery Park next to a gray clock face with roman numerals?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Manhattan_-_Pier_A_from_the_harbor_02_%289440383581%29.jpg
Designed by Henry
Hard
enbergh? Is that too convenient or what? haha. I haven’t made headway with this theory unfortunately. I can’t fit 3 Vols into it. Also where’s the Indies Native sign? Hamilton Custom House doesn’t work because it was named in 1990.
I fear that a lot of my clues lead to Battery Park. The casque would have had a hard time surviving that one over the last 40 years.

Not that I’m the expert
I usually just roll one
And google away the day
Looking for information.
Finding some, :app)
Believing a ton D:)
Creating some of my own…
So I apologize
If in this reply
I’ve offended you,
But you must know why.
Cause if you read the lines
Which describe my time
Spent here, you’d know that I’m high.
But your shit don’t make
no
sense.

Err…

I haven’t done much to propound this theory yet.  There must be a reason why BP would choose George Pickett.  It could be that he drew some ideas from visiting the Smithsonian Museum in 1979 when he saw the work of sculptor Edward Valentine in the form of a bronze bust of George Pickett (verifiable).  Edward Valentine’s studio is at 1015 Clark St. in Richmond, VA.  George Picket “sat” there for the Edward Valentine on May 3rd, 1975.  BP then decided to use the semi-circular arch of pane glass above the entrance there for a portion of Image 12.  The four panes below the curved sections have been added-in to act as various location clues that point to George Pickett’s post in the State of Washington when he was constructing Fort Bellingham in 1856-1860 just before the attack on Fort Sumpter in 1861 which caused George Pickett to make the hard decision to leave behind a new born son Jimmy, just bereaved of his mother Morning Mist who died of illness.  Morning Mist left behind a red box of Russian design containing two white gloves from the marriage ceremony.  I presume the groom wears one glove and the bride wears the other.  Perhaps the Russian inspired spires in Image 12 might be linked to the box. [
http://www.westranchhighschool.com/band … Russia.jpg
].  The one white flower in the woman’s hand might be linked to the gloves.  The name Morning Mist is appropriate to describe the “phenomenon of water droplets suspended in air.” [
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mist
].
It’s an interesting process to consider how BP put together his idea to bury in San Juan knowing that George Pickett was primarily memorialized in Richmond, VA where he is buried.  This is also a way of suggesting that there’s less or no likelihood of any of the other Images pointing to a Washington location, but doesn’t mean he didn’t bury a casque in a nearby state like Idaho or Oregon.  From what I’ve seen, nobody has really concluded anything likely for the Northwest yet.  It’s one whole corner of the country, it seems like a reasonable assumption that one would be found there…perhaps just wishful thinking.
I find it too convenient that Byron shares the same name as the famous poet Lord Byron and the verses are basically poems as well.  I suspect BP drew from this connection since San Juan also shares name in one of Lord Byron’s great works “Don Juan”.  Seems an irresistible opportunity to construct a puzzle based on George Pickett.
In Verse 9, the line about a green picket fence has me thinking it would apply well to Image 12 as San Juan because “green” is characteristic of the US Army and would parallel the Officer’s Quarters building and “fence” would also serve with respect to defense or protection.  There’s an actual picket fence around the Officer’s Quarters, not that it’s green.  BP might be making use of word play when it comes to colors.  Verse 5’s “white stone” has me thinking “wide stone” or “why test one?”.  Verse 9 has me thinking about “with wind rose” as wind like a clock or a spiral staircase and rose as in rows or the color red.  The line about bending branches overhead almost makes me think of lightening.  Is there a lightning rod at the Cattle Point light house?  As for hearing the honks, I’m thinking about a military officer or forest ranger stationed at the old Officer’s Quarters who gets up each morning to blow a bugle and check on the flag mast.
I’m definitely not going to go to San Juan to scout the area for hard confirmation.  It really looks like an on location diligence is needed for these.  Google Earth/Maps or Wikimapia only gets our foot in the door.  The photo of the Pickett monument stone in San Juan looks like it’s in a grassy area near trees, but the aerial map looks like it’s in a desert plain.  I’m sure the only way to be sure is to go there in person.
So, anybody interested in taking a closer look?  It’s bound to be a fun ferry boat ride from Seattle.
http://www.clippervacations.com/ferry/s … njuanferry

boogieman is the weather getting good there?  please check out bliss park, all the times he says “bliss” in the book, just seems to perfect for our “rhapsodic” part
and whatever parks are around there
hope u have a fun summer!

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to The_Duck.
Sorry if I inadvertantly stepped on your toes on the Niagara Falls theory.

You didn’t – I’m just glad to see more people focusing on that area – I’ll some detail to the info I put there in a bit.

I saw a painting on the internet of Niagara Falls dated 1848 or something that actually looked a lot like the falls in the image, so I guess I’m starting to become a believer.  I wasn’t able to check my potential NYC site this weekend, but will be doing so tomorrow (day off for the vote).

A moment ago I was saying how great the wiki looked in terms of organization. Now I have my doubts. Oregonian, the new chief editor, says this image with V10 has been solved as of Oct 19th. I dont see any reports of a casque recovery though. He also makes a point that Q4T has nothing to do with the discovery.
Does anyone know anything about this solve?

No, he’s very secretive about it. I live in NYC and have been asking, and he won’t say more than is on the wiki. Personally, I don’t think it’s been located. It’s definitely not been unearthed.

unfortunately the wiki was taken over by someone who feels they know best about possible solves, if you try and post solutions that don’t match his pet theories, he deletes them.
He also then posts possible solutions as fact which actively discourage, people from considering original ideas. To read the wiki you would think several casques are moments away from simply being dug up because the exact solutions are known…
He makes it sound like there is a consensus and group of people actively working under his guidance.
Its kind of sad really.

I followed The Secret a few years ago, but lost momentum as I wasn’t near any of the potential locations. I just read through everything in this thread and the separate thread for Verse 10, and I am cautiously optimistic that the casque is across the street from Fort Hamilton. A couple of notes that I haven’t seen already posted here that provide a little more evidence to that idea:
1. If you look at the top of the bird’s wing and compare it to the waterline from Brooklyn Heights down to Fort Hamilton, they are a very close match. I believe that the jagged rectangles in the wing are meant to show the piers along the shore, and there is a sharp indent that almost perfectly reflects the indent just south of Red Hook. The wing also smooths off at the right point.
2. If you look at the picture of what is generally assumed to be the Russian Orthodox Cathedral in Williamsburg, you’ll notice that the space between the right two spires isn’t natural. I’m of the opinion that the space there is also intended to symbolize the waterfront, and the white circle at the bottom is meant as confirmation that the casque is buried there.
I am headed over to that site now in order to see if there is anything that might suggest a starting point for the “steps”; I’ll report back with anything notable.

Another confirmer for Prospect Park. This yellow dotted line follows the light contrast on the dress and indicates a direction from the west entrance to the Lookout Hill.
The more I look at this image, the more I am impressed that the artist achieved the task of depicting a map of the park as a work of art.
Do you think he knew about this hill?

Yes , I agree the lake does match. I was using the drawn map –  yours is better. I had to turn it 15 degrees and stretch it slightly but it is now quite convincing proof.
Back to verse 10 now?

wk

Back to verse 10 now?

Absolutely. Trying to work out “him of Hard word”.

i know boogieman.  i’m trying
and trying not to just write everything i think
i do want to mention this…..and i don’t know what it means………if this is the russian picture, the only 2 true russian fair folks are
1. the devil dogs (marines, sailors, john paul jones, leif ericson drive? )
and
2. the tax burden p. 214
which talks about the “gnomes of zurich”, which is a bad name for bankers or swiss bankers, illegal stuff  (wall street?  or hamilton (money)….or is the important part the “gnome”, which would make me think of a
tunnel,
like a troll  and having to pay tolls
anyway the picture on p. 215 , and this is what is confusing, has that same symbol that is on image 9…the “76” or musical note or whatever it is.  but then it has the belt on it , like the “beltway” , and shore road (summer) like around john paul jones park.  the picture also has an
X
on the left side of his mouth (our right), and all that money
could the money bag be this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/1993680335/

erexere — I’m not buying your theories, but I sure love window shopping here.

fb, thanks for having a look.
Maybe you can clear something up for me, which came first the Pickett or the fence?

erexere

I agree 100% that the detail and similarity in image 12 is intended to match Ellis Island.  I think that conclusion goes one of two ways, 1) the casque is buried on Ellis Island, or 2) some kind of clue is represented by Ellis Island and it justifies the final location and/or the method of orientation.

I’m thinking Ellis Island as shady as it would seem to dig there. With the solved locations the visual clues were pretty close to the casque site. If the gargoyle is indeed a match, which i think it is, then how in 1982 would we find the gargoyle unless we went to the island to see it. It would be out of the way and redundant if it weren’t the correct place to end up anyways. I just can’t imagine going all the way there just to get a clue and then saying ‘ok cool now lets get back to main land’.

Merlot Brougham

Ferry Building:

Hmmm.  8 years ago, Siskel and I took a trip to Ellis Island and the Statue of Liberty, as well as a trip all around Brooklyn.  We saw these eagles, and did not think it was quite a match back then.  However, in this photo, in certainly looks like it.
Alright, I am going to throw up my hands and throw out all the NY clues for Image 12.  However, it still does not make sense to me that the topaz, the Russian prize, is New York, while the opal of the Dutch lowland gnomes is Canada.
First, there is the 74 in the water, one of the coordinates for NY.
Second, the bottom of the robe looks like the bottom of Manhattan, complete with the 3 water droplets symbolizing the 3 islands.
Third, and I do not have a clear picture of it right now, but there are onion domes on Ellis Island.
Fourth, as you know, the Ellis Island harbor looks like the rectangle in Image 12.
Okay, someone please explain how the Russians and the topaz are associated with New York, while the Dutch and the opal are associated with Canada.  If you can do that, then I am back on the New York bandwagon for Image 12.

Egbert

Okay, someone please explain how the Russians and the topaz are associated with New York, while the Dutch and the opal are associated with Canada.

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The first Dutch people to come to Canada were Dutch-Americans among the United Empire Loyalists. The largest wave was in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century when large numbers of Dutch helped settle the Canadian west. During this period significant numbers also settled in major cities like Toronto. While interrupted by the First World War this migration returned in the 1920s

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Composer George Gershwin’s life and music is remembered for the centenary of his birth and a consideration of the history and post-Soviet boom in Russian immigration to New York.

The Dutch are all over Canada. You can’t move for Dutch people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadians_of_Dutch_descent
The footnotes on P27 reference the “Beaver Wars” between the Dutch and the Iroquois which were up north somewhere, Canada probably.
The Russians settled in New York, Gershwin is most likely the “rhapsodic man”, and his family were Russian immigrants. Eg, quick Google search:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00yjnv1

I think I’ve found the match to the sleeve of the robe.  It’s a rooftop.

Yes, I know that Russians immigrated to New York City.  My family was one of them.
I really want Image 12 to be New York, but let me tell you what is puzzling me:
pp. 13-14:  “The venerable Dutch merchant empire of the Lowland Alven was also in its autumn.  Their sailor-servants, the Klabautermannikins, made ready their broad-bottomed boats, and away they sailed, to settle peaceably, at length, among rolling hills by a wide river richly lined with cliffs and trees.  Clear, running creeks they found there, and wildcats in abundance, wherefore they named their new home ‘Kaaterskill’ (Wildcat Creek).”
Kaaterskill is in the Catskill Mountains in New York State.
http://thekaaterskill.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaaterskill_Falls
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaaterskill_High_Peak
pp. 29-30:  “Consider a group of those frugal Lowland Dwarves, the Alven, hovering, invisible, and observing in economic agony while their old friends the Canarsie tribe traded Manhattan Island for a handful of trinkets!  (Could it be that they believed Peter Minuit’s glass baubles possessed the same worth as the Alven’s Treasure-Stone?)”
Peter Minuit was Dutch, from the Netherlands, and he was the one who supposedly purchased Manhattan from the Native Americans here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Minuit
p. 21:  “The Opal of the Lowland Gnomes:  A cloud of shining, shifting smoke.”
Image 9 has an opal in it, the birthstone of October.  There is a roman numeral X in Image 9.
I could have missed it, but I do not see a reference to the Lowland tribe in Canada.  When the book talks about the Russians, who hold the topaz (Image 12), there is almost no description as to where they landed.
So, this is what I am wrangling with.  How do we say the Dutch are NOT associated with New York?

Russia works with the NW of America (Canada or US).  Hasn’t anyone here played RISK?

Maybe this shows better what I’m looking at.  The exact angle I want isn’t available, so things are a little off.  The second house wasn’t there in 1982.

looking the other way, towards Cattle Point and Goose Island you can see Robert’s Rock at the Redoubt,

Egbert

Hmmm.  8 years ago, Siskel and I took a trip to Ellis Island and the Statue of Liberty, as well as a trip all around Brooklyn.  We saw these eagles, and did not think it was quite a match back then.  However, in this photo, in certainly looks like it.

I know you did the whole tour, but I guess we’ll have to disagree on the match.
Some folks around the net seem to be confused about the fact that there are two sets of eagle sculptures on Ellis island, and most of the time when people are dismissing the “no match”, they’re looking at and discussing the bird on the main building which definitely does not match. The Ferry Building birds, on the other hand…. hell, it even has the tongue in image 12, just like the sculpture.
Regardless, I think it’s a much better connection (both visually and geographically) than the Chrysler gargoyle theory.

Oh, I’m not disagreeing on the match.  I did not know that there were a 2nd set of eagles.  I guess I never went over to look at the ferry building.  That’s definitely a match.
Now, if someone has the time, the feathers of the bird in the Image, or the negative space between them, look a lot like the piers that stick out everywhere around Manhattan and the surrounding area.  It could also be a skyline.  I tried matching them to something, but I did not come up with anything.

I agree 100% that the detail and similarity in image 12 is intended to match Ellis Island.  I think that conclusion goes one of two ways, 1) the casque is buried on Ellis Island, or 2) some kind of clue is represented by Ellis Island and it justifies the final location and/or the method of orientation.
I’ve been analyzing some other treasure hunts and it’s not uncommon for them to build a clue around a location that isn’t anywhere near the treasure.  Does anyone remember the Silver Key?  It was a Music CD type hunt with a 1000 dollar cash prize plus an album sales royalty.  Art work in the packaging and on the CD itself were stylized as clues.  One in particular was a bingo card.  Egbert would’ve solved it in a heartbeat with his trusty Periodic Table cheatsheet.  The numbers on the card transcribed as “Eu Ge Ne O Re”, which was confirmed one year into the hunt by the hunt’s author on their website/blog as the correct answer: Eugene, Oregon.  That’s when I got involved.  I traced the clues to a spot just on the southeast edge of town called Mt. Pisgah on Highway 58.  Another confirmed clue read “HEMILY SUNFLOWER” which I surmised meant “Mile HY Sunflower” and I decided to continue on Hwy58 til I reached Mt. Ray (Sun and rays drawn together look like a sunflower) at the south end of 1 mile elevation Waldo Lake.  That’s where my journey ended without finding the Silver Key.  After the 2 year hunt expired, the author announced the state that it was hidden in: NC.  WTF???  What the author had done is used the fact that there are two Mt. Pisgah’s in the US, one in OR and one in NC.  It was a dreadful red herring, given that the author confirmed the Oregon based clue.  It just goes to show you how the discovery or answer to something in a puzzle isn’t always for the purpose of THAT specific location.
So, Ellis Island:  1) it’s an island formerly known as Oyster Island, 2) ferryboats bring many tourists to it’s shore, 3) the Statue of Liberty holds a torch of “frozen fire” for those who believe in the LotJ.
I belive this all fits with San Juan Island: 1) it’s an island formerly rich in abalone, 2) ferryboats bring many tourists, 3) a miniature statue of Liberty at Alki Point in Washington might be a worthy lateral shift.

I remember The Silver Key — it was good fun while it lasted, but you’re right, what a dreadful red herring!
If it’s on Ellis Island, I suppose we’ll have to start looking for New Jersey maps in P12 rather than New York maps!

To be fair, Roanoke Island isn’t exactly a bustling metropolis, yet we’re pretty sure there is a casque buried there. On the other hand, it *is* a significant site with respect to the immigration theme. I believe all 12 sites will have a tie-in to immigration.

Has anyone looked at the DeSoto history?  That explorer dude dressed just like Ponce deLeon.  The bird in image 12 looks remarkably similar to the Chrysler Building in NYC.  Interestingly the “DeSoto” was an early Chrysler product line.  To clarify, since Ponce is in image 6 I hope it’s not wrong of me to raise the DeSoto question about image 12.  I don’t want to upset anyone if there’s some rule about making certain there is absolutely no underlying connections.  That’s just what I’m wondering…if there is to be a connecting branch of history, then why not look more closely at the prunings?

The big fountain in Bryant
Park
was put there in May ’13. I actually had put the same verses together recently myself but in a different direction. Bryant is very close to the Chrysler building.
Edwin and Edwina
Booth
are both actors, and the
Booth Theater
is over on
eighth
.
There’s a statue of a portuguese revolutionary there, as well as the NYPL. It’s not even close to fleshed out like your theory is, but I’m in Boston not NY.

The big fountain in Bryant Park was put there in May ’13. I actually had put the same verses together recently myself but in a different direction. Bryant is very close to the Chrysler building.
Edwin and Edwina
Booth
are both actors, and the
Booth Theater
is over on
eighth
.
There’s a statue of a portuguese revolutionary there, as well as the NYPL. It’s not even close to fleshed out like your theory is, but I’m in Boston not NY.

i remember when i first looked at img 12, i looked around this church, thinking cleve
but had never put a verse to it.
and i missed the TT in img 4,and shortly after the book was misplaced for years
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Theodo … _Cathedral

Was there an Eagle airline in 1982?  Wings?  Airport?
Anyway.  The way the hair flattens on the shoulders is not natural.  The artist must have done that intentionally.  When flipped, it stands out even more.  The hair, collar, and neckline have been used in other images for clues.  Here, the neckline of the dress and the upper bare chest seem to fit like a child’s puzzle.  Most of you know that I believe the left part above looks like north NJ when looking at a map.  Defining the right side is tougher.  Facial profile maybe.  Lincoln?  The shadow under her nose crossing through her lips…  Looks like a symbol on a sail.  Can’t quite make anything of it yet.  Is her face a sailboat, or another hallucination?  I need you Jersey lads, regardless of your thoughts on image12, to see if you can make something of this.  I know, blah blah blah, I’ve mentioned this all before.  Just trying to do a little more convincing to you all to maybe find this blasted thing.

I am very new to this hunt, and thought I’d start with Image 12 because I live in New York.  I apologize if this idea has been thrown out and rejected before, but I noticed that only this and image 1 have the domed shape on the top.  At least insofar as image 12 is concerned, I think this might indicate a bridge.  If you look at the Verranzano bridge, the cut out portion of the bridge support is
exactly
the same shape as image 12.  If there is some significance to this, it could suggest that the casque is buried either in Staten Island or Brooklyn (the boroughs at the opposite ends of the bridge).  Don’t know if this is helpful at all, but thought I’d mention it.

Not sure if anyone will find this helpful or not, but I thought it was interesting at least . . .
http://www.photovault.com/Link/Cities/N … ridge.html

I’m a long-time lurker around here…got hooked on Masquerade as a kid and have been poking around The Secret for several years now. Really enjoy seeing how everyone approaches things differently and sees things differently.
For a long time, I, like many others, have felt sure there is something deliberate about the dress folds in this image and that there’s
something
hidden there. Based on a few other things I’m noodling around with related to this image, I was just wondering if anyone might happen to be able to see how whatever it is hidden in her dress might be a whale…while I’d take any whale, actually, I’m hoping there’s a beluga hidden in there by chance. Honestly, I can’t really see it myself, although when I’m exhausted I can
almost
convince myself otherwise.
But if anyone can figure out a way to see one of those in her dress, then it would go a long way toward strengthening a theory I’m percolating on this image!
Here are Google image results for belugas, just in case….
http://images.google.com/images?q=beluga+whale&hl=en&rlz=1T4GFRC_enUS211US211&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=images&ct=title

People have seen a lot of things in that dress, but I don’t think belugas number among them.
By the way, welcome!! We’ll be happy to
trash
listen carefully to your theory if you care to share it.

Hey Sercet hunters!!!!
Glad to be back.  I was just visiting Fort hamilton High.  I took my kids and walked around Shore park.  It was just a stop over after a weekend trip so I was not prepared to dig.  But I am going to.
A lot of the park is under construction just across the street from the school.  I was able to walk to those familiar triangle lots just off the Belt Parkway.  The place was wildly overgrown and from the area where this thing may be, you can barely see anything through the trees and brush. I did however catch a good view of the clock.  And guess what time it was?  Guess-what-time-it-was? 11:00 on the nose. I am going back soon.  LOL  How is Regulus?  I first need to reaclimate myself to this site,  i have no idea how to post pics anymore.  Is there a Facebook site for this?  FB, Fox, Cw, malted, and others, I’ve missed you all.

Hey Sercet hunters!!!!
Glad to be back.  I was just visiting Fort hamilton High.  I took my kids and walked around Shore
park
.  It was just a stop over after a weekend trip so I was not prepared to dig.  But I am going to.
A lot of the
park
is under construction just across the street from the school.  I was able to walk to those familiar triangle lots just off the Belt Parkway.  The place was wildly overgrown and from the area where this thing may be, you can barely see anything through the trees and brush. I did however catch a good view of the clock.  And guess what time it was?  Guess-what-time-it-was? 11:00 on the nose. I am going back soon.  LOL  How is Regulus?  I first need to reaclimate myself to this site,  i have no idea how to post pics anymore.  Is there a Facebook site for this?  FB, Fox, Cw, malted, and others, I’ve missed you all.

nice to see you to boogieman, so not so busy now cool,how many free wknds
do you have b4 the deep freeze LOL

Still busy, but most of Nov and Dec are free.  Looks like I found a smartphone app to post pics.  Cool.
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