Greetings boogieman. Hey, you oughta drop in on NY doll/casquemaker Jo-Ellen Trilling – last I heard she still had some dolls from the book she hadn’t sold, and she reckons she’s even got a spare casque somewhere. That would be an awesome souvenir. Though, of course, I’m sure you’ll find the one buried in Brooklyn sooner or later.  😉
http://joellentrilling.com/jo-ellen%20trilling.html
Stick this on your iPhone – we’re counting on you.
http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/file/fet … et_OCR.pdf

thanks slappy i couldnt remember the start point
ie… iconic image
sometimes the brain works sometimes not LOL

Yeah!  Thanks slappy.
I forgot about that one myself.  I’m going out to JJP this week.  Maybe Thursday… Then maybe I’ll have to jump into Battery Park, or Madison Square park.

boogie this pic still showsthe monument flagstaff still there
the link for pic where i got the pic
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/ … ing-green/
some text on pg
Updated, 5:15 p.m. | Bowling Green, the uneven gated ellipse at the foot of
Broadway, evokes history more than most spots in New York City. Legend has
it — though historians give the legend almost no credence — that Indian tribal
leaders used the land for meetings and to negotiate the sale of Manhattan to
Peter Minuit in 1626. What is known is that the site was a parade ground and
cattle market in the Dutch era, which essentially ended with the British conquest
of 1664.
a clock tower at pier A at battery
http://www.flickr.com/photos/capedcrusa … 1/sizes/o/

boogieman

Yeah!  Thanks slappy.
I forgot about that one myself.  I’m going out to JJP this week.  Maybe Thursday… Then maybe I’ll have to jump into Battery Park, or Madison Square park.

go boogie go
planing on digging?
luck to you

That flagstaff is totally surrounded with concrete.  I have close-ups of from 06′.  I’ll see if I can find them.

boogie is there more concrete, than the 22 steps
twice as many as the hr
had a second thought, it may not have looked like that
b4 they put the sphere there or some of the other construction,
that was done b4 the sphere

bigmattyh said:
yes in the two found instance
you travel several miles along a road without turning from an iconic image in the painting.
Then you turn left and left again to reach the destination…
and boogieman said this:
If you put that theory to verse10, use the WTC tower two as the iconic image, go south on Washington street about 1/2 a mile to 3/4 of a mile and you come to Battery Park. Make a left, two blocks to the end. Make another left and it takes you to Bowling Green Park across from the US Customs House.   Wallah!
this was under the “general questions” thread

Mister EZ

Ahhhhh….I needed to refocus my binoculars, zooming out to see the “D”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halve_Maen
.
Gotcha….understood.
What about the single rectangle vs the number of buildings at the World Trade Center?
And….how does all of that lead to a more specific area or borough?
(Right now, I only see you pointing to…Manhattan….in general….?)
EDIT: That Wikipedia entry says that the Half Moon was owned by the Dutch
East
India Company…? (Dutch East….Dutch West…..prolly doesn’t matter. Right?)

WTC VI .E.S.T
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St … _York_City
)

Which doesn’t answer my question…like either tower, the new location of the US Customs House just made it one of multiple buildings at the WTC.
The image shows one rectangle. Not several.
And, the shape of WTC 6 isn’t exactly prominent…or, rectangular.
Furthermore….the Half Moon was owned by the Dutch EAST India Company, not the Dutch WEST India Company. Hudson and the Half Moon has no connection to the Dutch WEST India Company, other than the words “Dutch”, “India” and “Company”.

sounds good to me!  did we find the sign nearby yet?
-regulus

Not yet, I’ll be there soon, but the entrance to Fort Hamilton is there.  Also, the street sign for Hamilton Parkway is at one of the corners to the North East.

Coming at you this weekend while I’m still riding the Barrett Wave. This is right across the street from Barrett Triangle on Staten Island. I find the window above the door frame and the shape of door frame/window combo to be compelling.
http://forgotten-ny.com/wp-content/gall … 130397.jpg
But even more interesting as I looked at it closely is the glass block windows. When zooming in I can see that they are the glass blocks with even smaller glass block shapes inside them. I believe this could be what the Image is referencing with the reddish and bluish dots in Image 12’s window…..thoughts?

MrBackstop

Coming at you this weekend while I’m still riding the Barrett Wave. This is right across the street from Barrett Triangle on Staten Island. I find the window above the door frame and the shape of door frame/window combo to be compelling.
http://forgotten-ny.com/wp-content/gall … 130397.jpg
But even more interesting as I looked at it closely is the glass block windows. When zooming in I can see that they are the glass blocks with even smaller glass block shapes inside them. I believe this could be what the Image is referencing with the reddish and bluish dots in Image 12’s window…..thoughts?

Do you have an address that we can street view. The image is tiny.
Thanks.

That’s 24 Bay St, New York.

Mister EZ

That’s 24 Bay St, New York.

Thanks. I remember someone posting about the Barrett Triangle, but I’m trying to understand why Staten Island, why this area, and how does the Verse and Image get us there?

north star

i never said i [k]new the answer. i just wanted to show you how this puzzle works.

Then show us how the puzzle works (in your opinion).  We welcome a step by step explanation of where we’ve been missing the clues.  I just didn’t want to solve someone elses cryptic hints when we have enough of the official hints to deal with.

you know what,im going to sit back and be silent.if anyone cares to read and see whats at the train station then we can chat…good luck on your quest

That is too funny.  for all of you that don’t know, I am a Car Inspector for the Port Authority Trans-Hudson Corp.  PATH. No kidding.

slappybuns

boogieman,
do you know of any sign of noah webster around the bridge?  he was an indian missionary and he wrote the dictionary. i’m pretty sure there were 3 volumes of the dictionary made. (from researching long time ago)
do you think “the isle of b” could be brooklyn?

I remember when you posted that slappy.  There isn’t anything around there about him that I have seen.  I’ll take another look.
BTW, the only thing that extends over PATH is the Hudson River that runs between Jersey City and Manhattan.  Of course if you head a little north, up river you’ll find the town of Weehawken on the jersey side..  There is a small memorial for our Alexander Hamilton there.

There’s nothing about that head that is natural.  Her face looks like a sailboat or pirate ship.  The way her hair rests on her shoulders tells me these are significant clues… for an artist to go way out of his way to paint.  A more natural flow, I think, would have been easier.  Looks like Elvis Lincoln got scalped a little.  The shadow under her nose leads directly to the Statue of liberty.  It would take a huge statue way up high, unobstructed from anything else, to cast a shadow like that.  umm.  Are we to look in NJ?  Nah, we still have the Verrazano!

Eagles do not have webbed feet
and only a handful of birds fly with
their feet extended.
I agree the beak doesn’t match.
Le Ronde is known for their (19?)
roller coasters. (May through October)

I’m curious about one thing, Trohn.  Over at Twelve.org, you posted HERE’S YOUR ISLAND OF B. w/pic on the image12 thread.  What is that exactly?

I have found this in a most unexpected place…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Moru … Gannet.jpg
Under the shadow of a grey giant,
near where you hear whirring in the summer:
Le Ronde Amusement.
But that thought would be nearly blasemous,
because that would upset three potential solves…
intersting thoughts…

Look at the beak.  Nothing like the one in Image12.  The one in 12 is an eagle which can be found in many different places (buildings and cities).  Most notable, Ellis Island and Chrysler Building.

Isle’s of B:
New York – In the East River (off of the 59th street Bridge)
Let me check my old source and see if I was referring to an original
name of Rooselvelt Island.
photo posted on Tweleve
San Fransciso – North of Alcatraz (Brook’s Island)
Montreal – Isles de Boucherville (now a bird santuary)
funny coincidence – all three over look former World’s Fair sites
Take your pick.  All have pros and cons.

Siskel

Sometimes I forget how many really smart people have done so much work on this site already. When I referred to DocZ’s theory as new I was obviously wrong. This USS Maine Memorial/Columbus Circle theory has been presented before as I saw a link dating back to 2009. I apologize for not seeing that before my earlier post.

I had come up with the idea on my own. Search was not working when I joined the board. I had to read the entire Verse #6 thread to see if the idea had been already been discussed and discredited before I posted my idea. Rookhunter had suggested it in January 2013, but White Rabbit emphatically shot him down with the “It’s not in Central Park” quote, and Rookhunter dropped it. I am of the opinion that the U.S.S. Maine Monument counts as being “at the entrance to” the park, not “in” the park. I think Byron Preiss was intentionally vague to throw us off the trail. Thus, I did not take that quote to mean that the idea had been discredited, which is why I am advocating it. I did PM Rookhunter to see if he wanted to work with me, but he is not located in New York.
However, now that Search has been fixed, I now see that I missed the fact that there was an entirely different thread on Columbus Circle & Maine Monument New York started by m220m on 6/16/09. Plus the thread mentions Bazile, who at least noticed the eagle even before that, in July 2008. m220m even mentions that he sees my same confirmers [Eagle, Woman (I assume he means the 2 arms of Justice), and Rectangle (the 4 pylons)]. Furthermore, that thread even discussed that the Monument could technically be considered to be outside the park. But then forest_blight raises a questions about the first few lines of the Verse, and the topic gets dropped. I wonder why? It was a great idea then and is still a great idea now.
I agree, there are a lot of smart members on this board. I may not be the first, but I know this is right, so I’m not going to drop it like the others.

Siskel

Sometimes I forget how many really smart people have done so much work on this site already. When I referred to DocZ’s theory as new I was obviously wrong. This USS Maine Memorial/Columbus Circle theory has been presented before as I saw a link dating back to 2009. I apologize for not seeing that before my earlier post.

I had come up with the idea on my own. Search was not working when I joined the board. I had to read the entire Verse #6 thread to see if the idea had been already been discussed and discredited before I posted my idea. Rookhunter had suggested it in January 2013, but White Rabbit emphatically shot him down with the “It’s not in
Central
Park
” quote, and Rookhunter dropped it. I am of the opinion that the U.S.S. Maine Monument counts as being “at the entrance to” the
park
, not “in” the
park
. I think Byron Preiss was intentionally vague to throw us off the trail. Thus, I did not take that quote to mean that the idea had been discredited, which is why I am advocating it. I did PM Rookhunter to see if he wanted to work with me, but he is not located in New York.
However, now that Search has been fixed, I now see that I missed the fact that there was an entirely different thread on Columbus Circle & Maine Monument New York started by m220m on 6/16/09. Plus the thread mentions Bazile, who at least noticed the eagle even before that, in July 2008. m220m even mentions that he sees my same confirmers [Eagle, Woman (I assume he means the 2 arms of Justice), and Rectangle (the 4 pylons)]. Furthermore, that thread even discussed that the Monument could technically be considered to be outside the
park
. But then forest_blight raises a questions about the first few lines of the Verse, and the topic gets dropped. I wonder why? It was a great idea then and is still a great idea now.
I agree, there are a lot of smart members on this board. I may not be the first, but I know this is right, so I’m not going to drop it like the others.

Wow, I totally forgot all that. Sometime when I have a free year I will go back and read all the old discussions.

Siskel Wrote:
“My problems continue to be, in no particular order: 1) I do NOT see Maine in the outline of her dress — the other maps (Ohio and Roanoke for example) are EXACT renditions of the place and that robe is just, by comparison, NOT spot on”
I am not sure about the Ohio map being “spot on.” The centaur’s tail matched a curved road. It is not like it was a detailed map or anything. I agree that the shape of Roanoke island in the window frame is more obvious. But I think my Maine outline is as good as the Cleveland clue.
Siskel Wrote:
“2) much of the language is guesswork to make it fit – in both the Cleveland and Chicago verses, not a word was wasted, let alone a full sentence or three. But here for example, you are suggesting the first three lines are all related to “Broadway.” While I like the interpretation generally, I do not believe BP would have devoted three lines to one thought like that”
The lines definitely refer to Broadway. Could they have meant 3 different shows currently in production at the time: Some romance show, Cats (tails and tunes), and Phantom of the Opera (Cruel and Bold)? Would you be happier if each line were a clue unto itself? Fine, it is possible that they were intended to be. But that doesn’t change the final solution. Those lines just get us to a road before we reach an approximate location. The more detailed steps come later.
Look at Verse #11. The consensus is that the first line, “Pass two friends of Octave” refer to Orville and Wilbur Wright, who have a monument nearby and who were friends with someone named Octavio Chanute. Personally, I think friends of octave refers to Highway 64 (8 x 8 ) and 264 (200 + 8 x 8 ). Either way, if you know that the next lines “Ride the man of oz To the land near the window” refer to the Baum Ferry to Roanoke Island, then it doesn’t matter that you were wrong about the octave line. In the same way, the subsequent visual confirmers at the U.S.S. Maine site mean that even if all 3 of the lines did not represent Broadway, the fact that even one of the lines led to Broadway and then to the correct location means we can let the other 2 lines slide.
As an aside, BP has lots of quotes that refer to roads, like “ace is high” in Verse #7 for Highway 1 in San Francisco.
As another aside, that is why I don’t feel so bad not knowing what “Freedom at the birth of a century” means. It was probably an important clue, but we pick up the trail after it, so I think we are still safe.
Siskel Wrote:
“3) it is just so hard for me to imagine BP digging in the sand outside the entrance to Central Park at ANY time of day, inconspicously. Someone surely would have seen him exposed there and either stopped this crazy man from digging, or, in the case of the average New Yorker, waited til he was gone and just dug it up immediately to see what had been left there.”
One of the articles after one of the casques was found mentions that BP did not do his digging in secret or without permission. In an interview, he stated that he did reach out to the appropriate park director at each site and explained what he was doing. (And was surprised at how easy it was to get them all to go along with it.) In fact, he says that at one site, a ranger came over and said something along the lines of “they told me about you” and then watched him until he was done. So no one said he had to dig inconspicuously.
As for whether anyone saw him bury the box and then dug it up when he left – that would be typical for New Yorkers. Maybe THAT is what he meant when he said there was no treasure in central park.
But one more thing, since he did get permission, in New York he would have needed a permit, not just verbal permission. I have submitted a Freedom of Information Act request to the parks department to see if they have a record of a permit being issued to Byron Preiss in 1980, 1981, or 1982. They may not have kept records like that for 30 years, but I figured it was worth a try.
Siskel Wrote:
“I sort of feel that the Edwin and Edwina line is a stretch to say there is a building across the way built by an architect named Edward. “
No more of a stretch than “M and B are set in stone” and “L sits”
Siskel Wrote:
“Same with the White House line. — UNLESS, and I have not been over there to see it myself — one of those white structures with the black or green doors could be considered a “White house” that is close at hand (meaning look for the one that is close to where one of the significant statue hands is pointing?! Just a thought.)”
I don’t disagree with you here. There is actually sand in front of those structures too. And they are more out of the way, so digging unobtrusively would have been easier. And the 3 water drops and the jewel below the Image #12 dress could be telling you which of the 4 pylons has the treasure – except the 4 structures are arranged concave away from the monument, and the 3 water drops and the jewel are concave towards the dress…
Siskel Wrote:
“That church, while it might be the one in Russia, is a big time stretch for me, as it seems more something you can see from the location, rather than a reference to a country of origin.”
I disagree. I think the church is for country of origin.
Siskel Wrote:
“And those darn red and blue bauble panels – they remain the key to me to solving this puzzle. Until someone is standing somewhere and can tie those in, this casque will never be found. NO WAY BP and JP would have wasted those many panels in the illustration on something unless it was extremely important and tied directly into the sight itself, and my guess is, again, something easily seen from the location when you are standing close to where he buried that casque. Stained glass somewhere?! I did notice that there are a number of subway stops on the map at the nearby Columbus Circle spot.”
I agree that they are a clue. Again, I don’t know what. Not the colors of the subway lines that pass through there. Could they be in a mosaic on the wall of the subway station? Could they have been some modern art hanging in the Edward Stone Building (which was an art gallery or museum at that time)? But in an interview with the artist after the Cleveland casque was found, the artist said he remembered that the helmet on the centaur was a clue, but could not remember what it was meant to represent anymore. LIkewise, we may not get all the clues, but I think we are still at the right place. We just may need ground penetrating radar to make up for what we are missing in terms of unsolved clues.

Siskel Wrote:
“My problems continue to be, in no particular order: 1) I do NOT see Maine in the outline of her dress — the other maps (Ohio and Roanoke for example) are EXACT renditions of the place and that robe is just, by comparison, NOT spot on”
I am not sure about the Ohio map being “spot on.” The centaur’s tail matched a curved road. It is not like it was a detailed map or anything. I agree that the shape of Roanoke island in the window frame is more obvious. But I think my Maine outline is as good as the Cleveland clue.
Siskel Wrote:
“2) much of the language is guesswork to make it fit – in both the Cleveland and Chicago verses, not a word was wasted, let alone a full sentence or three. But here for example, you are suggesting the first three lines are all related to “Broadway.” While I like the interpretation generally, I do not believe BP would have devoted three lines to one thought like that”
The lines definitely refer to Broadway. Could they have meant 3 different shows currently in production at the time: Some romance show, Cats (tails and tunes), and Phantom of the Opera (Cruel and Bold)? Would you be happier if each line were a clue unto itself? Fine, it is possible that they were intended to be. But that doesn’t change the final solution. Those lines just get us to a road before we reach an approximate location. The more detailed steps come later.
Look at Verse #11. The consensus is that the first line, “Pass two friends of Octave” refer to Orville and Wilbur Wright, who have a monument nearby and who were friends with someone named Octavio Chanute. Personally, I think friends of octave refers to Highway 64 (8 x 8 ) and 264 (200 + 8 x 8 ). Either way, if you know that the next lines “Ride the man of oz To the land near the window” refer to the Baum Ferry to Roanoke Island, then it doesn’t matter that you were wrong about the octave line. In the same way, the subsequent visual confirmers at the U.S.S. Maine site mean that even if all 3 of the lines did not represent Broadway, the fact that even one of the lines led to Broadway and then to the correct location means we can let the other 2 lines slide.
As an aside, BP has lots of quotes that refer to roads, like “ace is high” in Verse #7 for Highway 1 in San Francisco.
As another aside, that is why I don’t feel so bad not knowing what “Freedom at the birth of a century” means. It was probably an important clue, but we pick up the trail after it, so I think we are still safe.
Siskel Wrote:
“3) it is just so hard for me to imagine BP digging in the sand outside the entrance to
Central
Park
at ANY time of day, inconspicously. Someone surely would have seen him exposed there and either stopped this crazy man from digging, or, in the case of the average New Yorker, waited til he was gone and just dug it up immediately to see what had been left there.”
One of the articles after one of the casques was found mentions that BP did not do his digging in secret or without permission. In an interview, he stated that he did reach out to the appropriate
park
director at each site and explained what he was doing. (And was surprised at how easy it was to get them all to go along with it.) In fact, he says that at one site, a ranger came over and said something along the lines of “they told me about you” and then watched him until he was done. So no one said he had to dig inconspicuously.
As for whether anyone saw him bury the box and then dug it up when he left – that would be typical for New Yorkers. Maybe THAT is what he meant when he said there was no treasure in
central
park
.
But one more thing, since he did get permission, in New York he would have needed a permit, not just verbal permission. I have submitted a Freedom of Information Act request to the parks department to see if they have a record of a permit being issued to Byron Preiss in 1980, 1981, or 1982. They may not have kept records like that for 30 years, but I figured it was worth a try.
Siskel Wrote:
“I sort of feel that the Edwin and Edwina line is a stretch to say there is a building across the way built by an architect named Edward. “
No more of a stretch than “M and B are set in stone” and “L sits”
Siskel Wrote:
“Same with the White House line. — UNLESS, and I have not been over there to see it myself — one of those white structures with the black or green doors could be considered a “White house” that is close at hand (meaning look for the one that is close to where one of the significant statue hands is pointing?! Just a thought.)”
I don’t disagree with you here. There is actually sand in front of those structures too. And they are more out of the way, so digging unobtrusively would have been easier. And the 3 water drops and the jewel below the Image #12 dress could be telling you which of the 4 pylons has the treasure – except the 4 structures are arranged concave away from the monument, and the 3 water drops and the jewel are concave towards the dress…
Siskel Wrote:
“That church, while it might be the one in Russia, is a big time stretch for me, as it seems more something you can see from the location, rather than a reference to a country of origin.”
I disagree. I think the church is for country of origin.
Siskel Wrote:
“And those darn red and blue bauble panels – they remain the key to me to solving this puzzle. Until someone is standing somewhere and can tie those in, this casque will never be found. NO WAY BP and JP would have wasted those many panels in the illustration on something unless it was extremely important and tied directly into the sight itself, and my guess is, again, something easily seen from the location when you are standing close to where he buried that casque. Stained glass somewhere?! I did notice that there are a number of subway stops on the map at the nearby Columbus Circle spot.”
I agree that they are a clue. Again, I don’t know what. Not the colors of the subway lines that pass through there. Could they be in a mosaic on the wall of the subway station? Could they have been some modern art hanging in the Edward Stone Building (which was an art gallery or museum at that time)? But in an interview with the artist after the Cleveland casque was found, the artist said he remembered that the helmet on the centaur was a clue, but could not remember what it was meant to represent anymore. LIkewise, we may not get all the clues, but I think we are still at the right place. We just may need ground penetrating radar to make up for what we are missing in terms of unsolved clues.

I agree that the FOIA was a fresh idea, but also not the best “form.” The Cleveland map match was not the centaur’s tail being the curved road, but the actual state of Ohio hidden in the rocks and roots to the bottom left of the picture and THAT was a SPOT ON match. And when I met with Byron shortly before his passing, with Egbert to retrieve the jewel for the Cleveland casque, he spoke about scouting out locations and then just traveling there with a shovel and an idea and that he did not necessarily seek permission from any governmental agencies or private owners to dig. Rather, he just went at odd hours when possible and was secretive in his efforts to bury each casque. So please forgive me if I don’t much care what articles say. I heard it from the source and he was honest in his description of how he went about his secret missions of hiding these things. He said he did not even share the locations with his wife. Just went and buried each one and took pictures of nearby objects to sent to JJP so that he could infuse the illustrations with some specific (and also general location, i.e. states, etc) markers. He also fashioned his prose around things generally associated with the site and also WHAT HE SAW WHILE THERE. So I DO think that every word and every line tends to count. Not that it is shrouded in secrecy requiring you to go to a library and find out the architect who built a building a few blocks away. I don’t think he was trying to be THAT obtuse. But he was a wordsmith and seemed to take pride in burying as many clues as he could in a small amount of literary space.

DocZ

In an interview, he stated that he did reach out to the appropriate park director at each site and explained what he was doing. (And was surprised at how easy it was to get them all to go along with it.) In fact, he says that at one site, a ranger came over and said something along the lines of “they told me about you” and then watched him until he was done. So no one said he had to dig inconspicuously.

DocZ

I have submitted a Freedom of Information Act request to the parks department to see if they have a record of a permit being issued to Byron Preiss in 1980, 1981, or 1982. They may not have kept records like that for 30 years, but I figured it was worth a try.

Can you remind us where you read this? I’ve seen a few contemporary articles in the Chicago Tribune and they don’t mention this aspect.
Creative, but… wow, way to ruin a hunt, buddy. Did you ever read about how Masquerade’s “Golden Hare” was discovered? By subterfuge, investigating Kit Williams’ movements around the time he buried the treasure, not by playing the game he devised. It’s not very cricket.

DocZ

In an interview, he stated that he did reach out to the appropriate
park
director at each site and explained what he was doing. (And was surprised at how easy it was to get them all to go along with it.) In fact, he says that at one site, a ranger came over and said something along the lines of “they told me about you” and then watched him until he was done. So no one said he had to dig inconspicuously.

DocZ

I have submitted a Freedom of Information Act request to the parks department to see if they have a record of a permit being issued to Byron Preiss in 1980, 1981, or 1982. They may not have kept records like that for 30 years, but I figured it was worth a try.

Can you remind us where you read this? I’ve seen a few contemporary articles in the Chicago Tribune and they don’t mention this aspect.
Creative, but… wow, way to ruin a hunt, buddy. Did you ever read about how Masquerade’s “Golden Hare” was discovered? By subterfuge, investigating Kit Williams’ movements around the time he buried the treasure, not by playing the game he devised. It’s not very cricket.

Siskel, so you don’t think a road map feature could be used from any old city map existing at the time? I thought the tail looked pretty convincing for Cleveland.

forest_blight

Can you remind us where you read this? I’ve seen a few contemporary articles in the Chicago Tribune and they don’t mention this aspect.

forest_blight

Creative, but… wow, way to ruin a hunt, buddy. Did you ever read about how Masquerade’s “Golden Hare” was discovered? By subterfuge, investigating Kit Williams’ movements around the time he buried the treasure, not by playing the game he devised. It’s not very cricket.

A) My bad. It was in an article about the San Francisco treasure. I mis-read it. It was a hunter named Matthew Sparks who got permission to dig, not Byron Preiss.
B) i) Now that we just established that maybe he didn’t get a permit, it is a moot point.
ii) I was not using the Freedom of Information request to solve the puzzle – like going to Milwaukee where I have no clue where within the city the treasure is and asking for the copy of his permit to narrow my search. I already figured out the majority of clues in both the Verse and the Image. I was only using the the request for a historical document to confirm what I already know. Since I will need to ask for a permit too, and since the bureaucrat evaluating my permit application may not appreciate my riddle solving ability, having an actual document as proof might make the difference in terms of getting permission to dig. The game is not over until the casque is out of the ground, so making sure I am allowed to dig is not ruining the hunt.

Mr merit

It works with the brooklyn mirador ….the grand army plaza arch also frames up the empire perfectly .

I was waiting for it. lol

Mr merit

It works with the brooklyn mirador ….the grand army plaza arch also frames up the empire perfectly .

The Mirador theories are actually pretty fascinating.
I haven’t had time to research this, but there are probably some connections here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirador_( … ,_Virginia
)

It works with the brooklyn mirador ….the grand army plaza arch also frames up the empire perfectly .

I posted this before, only I rotated and cropped it differently.  What I like about this is it fits with the view of the Rock and the roof which matches the dark shaded portion on her other elbow area.  Given there’s practically nothing else of note this area of the San Juan Island landscape, this is what I prefer to call a significant observation.  It’s like looking at the horizon and seeing one notable iconic building in the distance.

i had seen those b4, but i had it under image 9:
Re: image 9 by slappybuns
… …
but then again…i go see all these mosaic benches at grant’s tomb ….(which goes  …
…  image 12)
http://mosaicartsource.wordpress.com/2007/02/01/
…
… -tomb-mosaics-new-york-city/
which has these eagles  …
that article said the mosaics were done in 1973 i think.

I believe some people have referred to the odd color blindness test windows as mosiacs.  Well, while researching Riverside Park after reading Kato’s ideas, I came across this:
http://www.cityarts.org/images/grants_t … nypost.jpg

Not sure how long these have been there…..

Now you can camp on Governor’s Island
https://www.collectiveretreats.com/retreat/collective-governors-island/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=paidsocial&utm_campaign=CGI&utm_term=2ndseason&utm_content=2ndseason
Rent the rent tight and pull an “El Chapo”

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?95571
the columns have the color of the clock
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?59787

nice view from the air accross the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/145464.jpg
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/145464

OK, everything is a stretch in The Secret.  But you must admit, the
sink
thing, whatever it may be, is there for a reason.  The same way the the 74 is there, and the wierd patterns in the water.  The splash has a million things in it which once the location has been pin pointed, should all become clearer.  Image2 and the lion hair is the same way.  Image2 got us to Charleston the same way, I believe, image12 got us to the Statue of Liberty area.  Decphering all the little things will come once we’re all agreed to the location.  This is no offense to anybody here, but it seems that when different ideas are brought up, they are quickly shot down by someone who believes something else.  I’m guilty as well.
Suggestion:  If everybody here would agree to humor all the ideas put forth, then some of the ideas like Ellis Island would not disappear for a year before someone reintroduces the concept.  How many casques would be found now if ideas weren’t dismissed.  I’m quite sure, with all the intense hunters here, the all the treasued grounds have been discussed at length, and forgotten about.  Whew!  Exhausting.  Just got home from Liberty state Park.  The snow chased me out, but I’m going back!!!!
edit: Sorry for the rant.  But, Hey Yo, I’m from Jeersey. can’t expect much.  Fox, what do you think about the verse?

See the word
sink
? Click on image to make it larger.
http://www.freewebs.com/patcash/water.htm

I think I see sink….not sure if I am with you on this one.  Pretty much of a stretch so far…but then again….who knows until it is found.

Hey everyone! Renner here.
So I was in the city a couple days ago and on my way to Newark airport, I saw a sign for Liberty State Park. On a whim, I decided I’d check it out.
I’m really excited about this location for a couple reasons, but mostly, because you can see the onion domes, the statue, and the Verrazano Bridge quite well from directly behind Lady Liberty (in the shadow of the grey giant).
Also, near this abandoned nature center, I found what could be interpreted as an arm (little roof extension) over a slender path. The path led into the woods a bit but I couldn’t find much back there, unless he meant a field of reeds (marked by a plaque) as “rhapsodic soil”.
Anyway, I thought I’d share some photographs. Wonder if there was more here in 1982.
Link to imgur album.
http://imgur.com/a/fESsh

I try to be pragmatic here, these visuals aren’t necessarily eye compelling, but among few options in a sparse setting, I think the historic points of interest marked by small numbered posts all pull together for someone standing near this large glacial rock, located at the Redoubt between the camp and the distant lighthouse,

Hey Karlene, I’ve got something for you, but don’t tell anybody, it’s our little secret.
The book also has clues in the written word, not just in the illustrations. Take this illustration of NYC tokens and what is written at the bottom of page 196:
I know you don’t agree with my dig spot at the Clarence Barrett Triangle in Staten Island but consider this…..you see the cutline under the token art?
Toll trolls love Rhode Island, the little state that is almost all paved!
The Clarence Barrett Triangle IS a
Road Island
that is almost all paved. The only part of CBT that is not paved has the same shape of the blue-highlighted area under Lady Liberty’s right shoulder and arm on her hanging sleeve. That’s how these clues fit together.
Now I have a question, why do the tokens have a letter “Y” on them? A native NYer might know but I don’t. Why wouldn’t there be a NYC on a NYC token, …sure it could stand for York but that seems strange to me. But I will tell you what I see that as meaning…the base of the Clarence Barrett statue is a Y-shaped triangular base and I see this as another hidden clue in the book.
I bring this up because I keep seeing words or sentences in the book that seem to point to certain cities….and no I’m not talking about when actual cities are written down but when words or clues are sprinkled in the creative writing itself.

saved you a search.
https://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/New_York … way_Tokens

Thanks Catherwood. I’ve seen some of those last year but I guess I should have been more clear. I’m curious as to why the “N” and “C” weren’t on the token illustrations and my take was because of the shape of the “Y” being a clue to the base of the Barrett monument. I didn’t know if there were any other tokens out there with just a “Y” on them or punched out of them.
The tokens are significant to my solve because St. George (Rhapsodic man) Ferry Terminal is directly across the street from the triangle. This has a bus terminal and the Staten Island Ferry.
Oh and Karlene, are you referring to the chicken reference, as in CHarles dICKENS?

MrBackstop

Thanks Catherwood. I’ve seen some of those last year but I guess I should have been more clear. I’m curious as to why the “N” and “C” weren’t on the token illustrations and my take was because of the shape of the “Y” being a clue to the base of the Barrett monument. I didn’t know if there were any other tokens out there with just a “Y” on them or punched out of them.
The tokens are significant to my solve because St. George (Rhapsodic man) Ferry Terminal is directly across the street from the triangle. This has a bus terminal and the Staten Island Ferry.
Oh and Karlene, are you referring to the chicken reference, as in CHarles dICKENS?

My take on the tokens is that the subway is near the dig site–the Y being a NYC subway.
As for Dickens—I don’t believe it’s Dickens. But it is a riddle.

Hey Karlene, I’ve got something for you, but don’t tell anybody, it’s our little secret.
Backstop, I don’t think you understand how to keep a secret if this is how you tell me about one………..hahahahaha
As for the rest, I’m happy to look at it and I’m thrilled that you, as well as others, are reading the rest of the book for clues. How does Rhapsodic man and chicken figure into this?
@catherwood – thanks for the link

where is that bear?  i forget it’s locations……..but of course seeing it again i thought of bayer…lol
adele bayer…….the navy yard, orphans and widows, landscape gardening, 1st horticultural garden
saint adele———mentions st. gregory of
utrecht
http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=467
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Utrecht,_Brooklyn
http://books.google.com/books?id=T2cQAA … yn&f=false
i like gates, WhiteRabbit, in the book it mentions nw gates

speaking of brooklyn, maybe this will help us
http://brooklynhistory.pastperfect-onli … est=random
and did we check this church and surroundings
Russian Orthodox Cathedral of the Transfiguration of Our Lord
228 Driggs Avenue brooklyn
http://www.roct.org/

how could he not use asimov or sagan for brooklyn….
asimov pronounced his name with 3 small words…………as him of…………tried and tried to get that to fit the line “of him of hard word”
he is russian and he had a 3 volumes of short stories
then i thought any science could be a hard word or math
still looking for stuff for “harp” on it…….utter, speak, or harpoon…..harper’s magazine,  william tell , leif ericson, moby dick (melville)
william tell would fit new york……….you know, splitting the
apple,
lol
hard words…….religion, truth, beliefs, faith(something you can’t see)…..
volumes–masses.
…..statue of liberty (huddled
masses
)
church mass
mass migrations
newton’s law of motion
the amount of space? 3 spaces……asimov

One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn’t belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?
Did BP give us an “X marks the spot”?
This little spot has been bugging me…
Here’s the next part of the idea….  x doesn’t mark the spot…  3x actually marks the spot
If you were to find a semi-circular piece of ground that you believed was the spot here is how I would measure to the spot…
The image starts off already dividing the width by half then fourth…
half of that gives us our unit of measurement  (  or “x” )  (also 1/8th the total length)
Multiply this by 3 puts us at the approximate height of the spot

Cormac

meanwhile on the other side of town..

This brings me back (again) to McCarren Park
Looking at the stained glass windows we have nearly exact shapes
I then found something else quite interesting from a video filmed in McCarren Park .
I’ve paused and cropped images from the video where we can see that church…
Look in the background !  (it gave me the shivers)
You can see that the church could have easily blocked one of the towers from view leaving our single tower.

Now… how do we connect my last two posts…
I appologize in advance that I have to skip protocol and use a verse here.
Verse 1
“Perspective should not be lost”
Keep the church blocking one of the towers
“In the center of four alike”
Between the church and McCarren Pool Entrance are 4 tennis courts that were there at the time and can still be seen by google maps or google earth. These tennis courts have a strip of grass between them that is the exact same shape as the #12 image as a whole.
“Small, split”
Toward the church from this point is another piece of grass separated from the first by sidewalk that is the same shape as the stain-glass area of the image.
“A whistle sounds”
Could reference wistles blown from the track behind the tennis courts or the pool area beyond that (depending when the pool actually closed as a swimming pool.
In the pictures below also note the part of the park in the triangle between the tennis courts and the church.
This area is now called “Father Jerzy Popieluszko Square”
It was renamed and a few monuments where added after the book was published but the shape of the “square” (triangle) has not changed since the 1930s.  In the center of this is another shape similar to our image 12.

I’ll try to dig one out of the ocean.  Some were used to make artificial reefs. I could use a hand on that one too!
And just so you all know, the toll to get to Brooklyn has gone up to $16.  Send money!!!!

boogieman and fox: This is fox’s church:
http://www.oca.org/DIRlisting.asp?SID=9&KEY=OCA-WA-BROHXK
It is at the corner of 12th St. and Driggs Ave. in Brooklyn. I post this not so much to prolong the debate over
whether or not this is our church (I don’t think it is), but more to illustrate just how utterly cool Google Earth is.
Also:
http://www.roct.org/

Okay, so maybe I overstated the prevalence of this kind of architecture in the U.S. The church’s website claims
that it is the “…only example of its kind of Byzantine Revival architecture in New York and perhaps the United
States.” Its style is “Byzantine revival,” so perhaps we should restrict our search to Byzantine revival structures.
I have contacted a local expert in Byzantine revival architecture for pointers. I’ll send an update as soon as I
hear back from her.

bman, I was just using that church as an example.  I dont think we have located the correct church yet.  I was just stating that I think “that” church is out there somewhere, and perhaps we have come across it…but it just hasnt looked right to the one who found it because of the wrong perspective.

catherwood – it would help if I had read your entire message instead of pouncing on the one you singled out.
Now
who looks stupid?
It would certainly be worth contacting these churches and asking if anyone recognizes the silhouette. I’m thinking of a mail blitz including blown-up printed images of the panel from P12.
Or (ooo, better!!), using Google Earth to view each and every one of these churches from the air, and narrowing the list that way. We can instantly dispense with most of them, I’m sure (and most of them should lie within Google’s “fine detail” range like the one above). Perhaps I will do this when I return from my travels in a couple of weeks.
Wow, it’s nice to have a glimmer of hope. Now if wilhouse will just get his backhoe in gear…

catherwood – that’s the same church we’ve been discussing above.

forest_blight

catherwood – that’s the same church we’ve been discussing above.

yes, now i look stupid.  But was the list of Orthodox churches in NY at all helpful?  That’s really what I was offering, um, yeah, that’s it, honest…

i like the ny tribune clock, scroll down to 7th picture, but it’s been gone since 1955, and the world building to build the brooklyn bridge
http://www.nyc-architecture.com/GON/GON021.htm
http://www.emporis.com/application/?nav … &id=102515
this is near “printing house square” …..and “pace” university

look at these colors for this subway!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/249 … otostream/
how close is this to the image………
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ritzphotos … otostream/

Unknown

Unknown:
The blue church may be St Nicholas Orthodox church (not far from Chrysler Bldg).

There may be more than one in NYC, but other than the Russian theme and the possibility that it was next to WTC (and was destroyed along with it)–and our gray monolith picture is next to the blue church in the painting–I don’t spot any visual correlation.
http://www.wirednewyork.com/churches/st … efault.htm
If the casque was buried next to or near the WTC, I think it is sad but safe to say that we will never find it. We can contact the publisher if we have a good guess, of course.
However, I did find this on a listing of NYC area cathedrals:
“Cathedral of the Resurrection, 228 N 12th St., Brooklyn, (Russian Orthodox Outside Russia)
Dramatic and detailed recreation of a Russian Church, onion domes and all.”
No photo. Argh.
Unrelated: I feel that the hemline of her dress is in a specific shape. It does not quite match the lower tip of Manhattan, though it might match the outline of another land mass. I’m thinkin’.
I used to live in Brooklyn so I would really like to see this one solved.

boogieman

I flipped the real pic to make the face turned the same way as P12.
If I flip it back, and turn the P12 face to match, look at the shadow under the noses!

Somethings in here.  Too much going on for it to be nothing.  Any ideas?
edit: The line dividing the cream and maroon squares seems to crease the wing.
Almost looks like that part of the wing is a book….opened to a page….
Is that a face on the left side of the book? Wow.  Clear….
(Moved this from V10 thread)

I have also heard that a nose is sometimes called a “honker” but that doesn’t mean it’s polite.

my problem is (well, one of ’em), the russian orthodox church, could be any russian orthodox church, and the tower building, could be any tower building
i remember someone said “BP” said there was not one in
Central
Park
, which always kept me from looking there, but with this church being right down the road from
central
park
:
http://sites.google.com/site/mygothamph … 901—1902
and shakespeare there with “three” on the pedestal and “23” (or more)
http://centralpark-nyc.blogspot.com/200 … tatue.html
and then fox got a reply from BP when he said the image spoke of NY and asked if after the attack on the trade center would it be gone forever and BP replied, ” Not so.”
so,………could that be “not so”  about NY or “not so” about WTC?
oh and did some research on the I beam architecture……….developed by henry “grey’, bethlehem steel, and i believe they did the george washington bridge and almost all the skyscrapers in ny

Who was it that communicated with Byron Preiss about
Central
Park
?
Do we have an email that specifically says there is no casque
in
Central
Park
..or are we going on only an assumption?
AP

Unknown

Unknown:
as I posted in another thread, here is an email from BP stating there is not a treasure in
Central
Park
————————————————-
From:
To:
Subject: Re: Sorry to bother you.
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 8:08 PM
there is no treasure in
central
park

Unknown

Unknown:
BP reponded three diffrent times about NY locations.  Nothing in
Central
Park
, the Statue of Liberty (or Liberty Island), and this one on point, Ground Zero.  I assume that his ***not so*** came after the other two.  Why wouldn’t he just say ***get out of NY***?  He gave up Canada, Houston, and St Louis for us.  I think one has to believe here, with the history of his contacts, that his ambiguity surrounding NYC is about not handing anyone the shovel to dig.  Afterall, his office was located on 25th Street, Midtown Manhattan, and born and raised a Brooklynite…..Image12 has the Statue of Liberty, Two WTC, and the Verrazano Bridge.  You can tinker with the verses, but the image belongs to NY.

Posted by Fox:
Posted by boogieman:

Thanks WhiteRabbit.
My searching did not find those threads.
New York City…but not
Central
Park
…

You may want to check out my pic 12 & verse 5 theory on the verse 5 thread, May 26.  No one has responded to the idea yet.  It is a possibility, including a park, the Statue and a church.

You may want to check out my pic 12 & verse 5 theory on the verse 5 thread, May 26.  No one has responded to the idea yet.  It is a possibility, including a
park
, the Statue and a church.

I wouldn’t give too much time to a zoomed in version of an offset printed and scanned image.
Is it maroon? Is it magenta?
Well, the printing process is such that it’s not either. You will notice the dots on most all scanned images that were offset printed when zoomed in. The print is actually a series of dots next to each other that are visually combined in your brain when you look at it. In art terms, it’s called optical mixing. Simply put, you’re not supposed to view a square millimetre of the image in isolation. When scanned, these images and the pixel-by-pixel scanning process do not line up, and the scanner interprets the colour of that pixel because the printed dot does not align with the border of the pixel. What needs to be done when scanning is a process called “descreening” where the scanned data is equalised with neighbouring pixels, to create a less dotty image without the ‘artefacts’. This process probably wasn’t done when scanning the book that we are now working off of.
Also, any printer will tell you that matching blue shades is nigh on impossible. And matching anything with a blue shade in it (purple, green, etc.) is made more difficult due to the presence of the blue.
If you want do any close up analysis, you are best to do it on the original image. Give JJP a ring and see if you can just have a quick look at them. Good luck with that!
That’s the only way you will know what colour anything is, and what is or isn’t there at a small scale.
Remember that JJP said that the printed book wasn’t a great reproduction (and the reprint was worse), but that aside, none of the necessary information was missed in the print in the book.
Maybe we should be doing what was recently suggested and taking a step back and looking at the image as a whole, rather than pixel-by-pixel. IMO that is a better way forwards.
X

XeroDM

I wouldn’t give too much time to a zoomed in version of an offset printed and scanned image.
Is it maroon? Is it magenta?
Well, the printing process is such that it’s not either. You will notice the dots on most all scanned images that were offset printed when zoomed in. The print is actually a series of dots next to each other that are visually combined in your brain when you look at it. In art terms, it’s called optical mixing. Simply put, you’re not supposed to view a square millimetre of the image in isolation. When scanned, these images and the pixel-by-pixel scanning process do not line up, and the scanner interprets the colour of that pixel because the printed dot does not align with the border of the pixel. What needs to be done when scanning is a process called “descreening” where the scanned data is equalised with neighbouring pixels, to create a less dotty image without the ‘artefacts’. This process probably wasn’t done when scanning the book that we are now working off of.
Also, any printer will tell you that matching blue shades is nigh on impossible. And matching anything with a blue shade in it (purple, green, etc.) is made more difficult due to the presence of the blue.
If you want do any close up analysis, you are best to do it on the original image. Give JJP a ring and see if you can just have a quick look at them. Good luck with that!
That’s the only way you will know what colour anything is, and what is or isn’t there at a small scale.
Remember that JJP said that the printed book wasn’t a great reproduction (and the reprint was worse), but that aside, none of the necessary information was missed in the print in the book.
Maybe we should be doing what was recently suggested and taking a step back and looking at the image as a whole, rather than pixel-by-pixel. IMO that is a better way forwards.
X

I couldn’t agree more.

I think the point was just missed…
If you manipulate data in photoshop, GIMP or whatever… you are manipulating data that is already not likely to be what the original was.
If you use sharpen and soften over and over again enough times, and compare the original image with the manipulated image, you won’t get the same thing. Data is
changed
when you do that. Which makes it inherently different.
The photo process changed the colours (due to lighting, film type, etc.)
The printing process changed the colours (due to the printing process being made of dots, not the actual colour. Also, it’s made of only 3 (RGB) or more likely 4 (CMYK) colours, which cannot accurately reproduce the pigment-in-medium that is paint)
The scanning process changed the colours (due to technical limitations of the scanner, the pixel-to-dot offset which causes the moire pattern)
The photoshopping changes the colours (by averaging neighbouring pixels, etc)
Even the saving process changes the colours (if you have set certain settings such as colourspace, RGB/CMYK, compression ratios, file type, etc)
So if we are to believe that what we have at hand is correct, I think we are kidding ourselves…
And why would a possible solve rely so heavily on the exact colour of an area of an image?
JJP had a lot of experience with painting images and getting them printed on book covers etc. BP was in the business of writing and printing books. It’s fair to say they knew what was going to happen when they painted a picture and got it printed in a book, and consequently wouldn’t have relied on something that was outside of the technical abilities of the medium that they chose.
Purple is purple.
There’s plenty of unexplained images that are easy to see which are more likely to yield results than scouring over pixels and exact RGB colour mixes…
Just my opinion!
X

XeroDM, all true. However most of us work with what we got which is Wiki scan, 12treasures or worse the PDF version of the book. The best resolution is 12treasures scan (Thanks again George!). Problem with 12T’s scan is it’s too large/high-res. therefore, as you noted too sharp and dotty. I found a simple remedy for that. You can merge the neighboring dots by using “soften” function of some graphics programs. This is basically the opposite of “sharpen”. Here’s a before and after:

XeroDM

I think the point was just missed…
If you manipulate data in photoshop, GIMP or whatever… you are manipulating data that is already not likely to be what the original was.
If you use sharpen and soften over and over again enough times, and compare the original image with the manipulated image, you won’t get the same thing. Data is
changed
when you do that. Which makes it inherently different.
The photo process changed the colours (due to lighting, film type, etc.)
The printing process changed the colours (due to the printing process being made of dots, not the actual colour. Also, it’s made of only 3 (RGB) or more likely 4 (CMYK) colours, which cannot accurately reproduce the pigment-in-medium that is paint)
The scanning process changed the colours (due to technical limitations of the scanner, the pixel-to-dot offset which causes the moire pattern)
The photoshopping changes the colours (by averaging neighbouring pixels, etc)
Even the saving process changes the colours (if you have set certain settings such as colourspace, RGB/CMYK, compression ratios, file type, etc)
So if we are to believe that what we have at hand is correct, I think we are kidding ourselves…
And why would a possible solve rely so heavily on the exact colour of an area of an image?
JJP had a lot of experience with painting images and getting them printed on book covers etc. BP was in the business of writing and printing books. It’s fair to say they knew what was going to happen when they painted a picture and got it printed in a book, and consequently wouldn’t have relied on something that was outside of the technical abilities of the medium that they chose.
Purple is purple.
There’s plenty of unexplained images that are easy to see which are more likely to yield results than scouring over pixels and exact RGB colour mixes…
Just my opinion!
X

I can surely understand both perspectives on this debate but the simplistic approach to this problem is having faith that the makers and contributors of the book, especially JJP, have no reason to believe that the distortion and degradation of the images will affect the hunt. I think we should leave it at that. no?

Choice

You can merge the neighboring dots by using “soften” function of some graphics programs. This is basically the opposite of “sharpen”.

Actually what you want is Moire pattern removal.
usually under the filters or photo tools.
Soften actually adds data to round edges
To be honest so does Moire pattern removal it just does it in a more uniform fashion and is less likely to generate artifacts.

Can you post a processed result of my before image Matt?

XDM, my preferred choice is still using the original book and a 5X magnifying glass. That said, these books are getting pricey and I hate wearing my cotton gloves to handle the book. So I really don’t see a problem using a copy of the image and manipulating it enough to get it as close to the original as possible. Unless your are one of those searches that looks for microscopic lines, shapes and letters for nonexistent clues. Otherwise it’s all good.

XeroDM

Purple is purple.

XeroDM

…And why would a possible solve rely so heavily on the exact colour of an area of an image?…

XeroDM

There’s plenty of unexplained images that are easy to see which are more likely to yield results…

XeroDM

The photo process changed the colours (due to lighting, film type, etc.)
The printing process changed the colours (due to the printing process being made of dots, not the actual colour. Also, it’s made of only 3 (RGB) or more likely 4 (CMYK) colours, which cannot accurately reproduce the pigment-in-medium that is paint)
The scanning process changed the colours (due to technical limitations of the scanner, the pixel-to-dot offset which causes the moire pattern)
The photoshopping changes the colours (by averaging neighbouring pixels, etc)
Even the saving process changes the colours

XeroDM makes some excellent points. I did not zoom in on the colored square in order to examine microscopic details or find writing.
I was only trying to isolate the colored square – so the the neighboring colors did not distract from the question at hand.
Exactly. Purple is purple. But that’s the problem.
Purple isn’t purple when other people say it’s red or maroon.
Because it’s part of a larger point I’m working my way towards. This particular ‘clue’ if we can call it that is not the be all, end all of solving the puzzle. But it’s illustrative. That this puzzle appears not to work like the solved ones and how this one may be different.
Yes they’re easy to see but LESS likely to yield results. Because they are difficult to understand. And the ‘why’ questions may be most important in doing that. It’s not that there are no image matches to the tall rectangle. Or a stained glass window. Or a purple square. There are too many. It’s like if there were 1000 Bowman statues in Chicago or 1000 Greek Walls in Cleveland. How would any of them with just an image match provide proof you were in the right place? I believe understanding why JJP put these things in the painting is more important than finding a physical object that is a yellow square or a tall rectangle.
You are of course right about all the above things. And there’s nothing we can do about any of those. But if we can agree to set aside the question of why would it be important for a moment, since you seem very knowledgeable about these things – do you have any recommendations for how we can discuss the topic of whether the color is purple or maroon? Or are you saying that it’s 100% not possible because it’s unknowable and therefore moot?
Thank you for your help.

It pains me that I am in Manhattan
RIGHT NOW
and I can’t go treasure hunting. I’m in a Starbucks at Madison Square Garden. I’m in town for a wedding (not mine) for a few days, but there will be no opportunity to spend my time as I would truly like to. One of these days…
You can bet your britches I’ll be keeping my eyes open, regardless.

forest_blight

It pains me that I am in Manhattan
RIGHT NOW
and I can’t go treasure hunting. I’m in a Starbucks at Madison Square Garden. I’m in town for a wedding (not mine) for a few days, but there will be no opportunity to spend my time as I would truly like to. One of these days…
You can bet your britches I’ll be keeping my eyes open, regardless.

Wow Mr Blight!  Just an hour ago I was at 33rd and 6th ave., one block away.  I was working there and then had to go to Jersey City, then Newark.
Hey, maybe you can accidentally miss your flight and head over to Brooklyn as well as Washington Square.

I drew it as a reference line.  I wanted to draw attention to the thicknessof that portion of the fence’s arch as a possible match to the thickness of space between the windows and outer arch.

11 o’clock.  Does that possibly mean the “last hour”?  “Eleventh hour”, seems like something I’ve heard to describe the last possible moment before a significant event.  I’ve tried putting the “Judgement Day/Gabriel’s Horn” idea to work in Image 1, but I’m recycling the idea with respect to a woman rising up from the surface of the world (ocean surf in the image) towards the sky (heaven?).
Is this possibly a representation of St. Catherine?  I’m looking again at verse 9 and seeing the line ‘with wind rose’ and I wonder if ‘wind rose’ is close enough to ‘rose window’ which is referred to architecturally as a Catherine window for it’s similarity in shape and design to the spiked wheel used in the execution of St. Catherine (which broke, she was was then beheaded).
St. Catherine was a patron of virginity.  Does a woman wearing a white dress symbolize virginity?

Howdy Trohn,
This one’s the Russian image.  Not Greek.  There’s one for each set of immigrants.  If you peruse the “What Has Been Found” thread, you’ll find several tables proposing the relationships.  Some are fairly certain, and some are quite disagreed-upon.
Pine

But the prominence of the lady,
to the site –
Liberty wasn’t Russian either.
But I did read the immigrant connections.
Thanks for reminding.

A topaz of the blue “frozen fire” variety may have been chosen for the blue and white colors of the Smolny Cathedral,
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smolny_Convent

This is good!! And it makes perfect sense, too since BP was Jewish.  I think we all assumed that since the drawing showed domes that they must be Russian Orthodox. No one to my knowledge so far suggested a Moorish revival synagogue! Good find! Have you been successful in matching other images in the picture to anything in that particular area?

Hello all,
I’m new obviously.  I bought this book back in the eighties because I liked the faeries.  (I was 8 or 9).  At any rate I have looked at it off and on for years whenever I visit my folks.  This last time, I brought it home with me and started reading everyone’s posts.
I live in NYC so image 12 has a special appeal to me.
I haven’t gotten through all the back posts yet, but I’d like to make a suggestion.  I see all sorts of posts about Russian Orthodox Churches.  But on the corner of 55th and Lexington there’s a Synagogue that is the oldest and most famous existing in NYC.  Viewed from the Northeast corner the domes match the shapes of the ones in image 12.
http://www.nyc-architecture.com/UES/UES004.htm
The 4th image down has a pretty good shot of this.
Just a thought…

Too much emphasis on the domes i think.  Look at it upside down.  just sayin’…Why would the middle dome have ears and eyes?  to throw you off, that’s why.  Without the dome shapes, we wouldn’t have the penninsulas.  It’s the gateway to NY IMHO.

boogieman

No panic here.  I like the way Battery Park may fit.  But let me and bemo tear up JPJ park first.
Still, if we don’t find it there, CW, you are going to have to go line by line with the verse to direct us where to dig at the Battery.
The grey giant, the slender path, (notice it doesn’t read “A slender path”.)  If you are going to find the Verrazano from the WTC in Manhattan, why would you come all the way back to Manhattan from Brooklyn?  It can be done, just how?

ok you guys dig and ill work on plan b
im hoping your right i would love to see another found

Nice work on the Milwaulkee hunt.  Brilliant!  Just a reminder that the 3rd (or fourth) casque will be found in NY very soon.  The Peter Minuit Plaza is the key.  The place where they commemorate the purchase of  Manhattan from the Indians is right across the street from St. Elizabeth Bayley Shrine;
Schroll down to the pic of the shrine.  Something we’ve all seen before…..
http://www.bridgeandtunnelclub.com/bigm … buildings/
Looks like State Street through Battery Place was the original shore line of Manhattan before they filled in the Battery, with the shrine and the Plaza right there.
http://maps.google.com/?ll=40.703042,-7 … 006062&t=k

for some reason, and it’s probably from reading the fair folks guide (BP talks about mies van der rohe), that one tower makes me think of the seagram building on park avenue:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seagram_Building
now i’ll try to see what color the subway lines are for that building

NYCNative

Oh I did not forget, that is why I emphasis this makes no sense. Your logic is saying that JPP used a random statue, in a park that is not the casque site (nor does it seem to have anything to do with it) to confirm that you are in the right city? As if anyone not familiar with the statue would stumble upon it somehow, see it and have a confirmation that it is new york?
I think the SOL face and the 74 alone are your confirmations that it is NYC. you forget that in Chicago, the monuments used was all within a route to the casque. Plus you have to ignore the rest of the wave to try to make that dancing bear fit.
I think you are reaching hard to make this fit, when it just doesn’t. Nothing supports it but your assumption that JPP put the hidden image there to confirm NYC, for at least the 3rd time. I do not think he was that repetitive especially when more essential clues had to be placed in the image for a more specific location then just general NYC.

Growth mentality, my friend. M and B should be the only people set in stone on this solve.
I too love passionate discourse and people having strong opinions, but there’s a way to share them that does’t derail the entire thread. I too agree that it is absurd and utterly pointless to use a random statue as a landmark for a huge city, but that seems to be what Preiss did. From two-inch-tall legeaters to Milwaukee hair sculptures, BP has repeatedly shown a frustrating inability to link the visibility of a clue to its proximity to the dig site
If you look at it from a flexible perspective, rather than assuming you have the complete answer and everyone else is wrong, then you won’t do stuff like force the odd notion that the clues for cask 5 follow a route to the casque, when BP himself said the second to last line of the verse (“brush”) refers to a building half a mile away from the dig site.
Remember, both solves were made through trial and error, and amended solves between multiple parties communicating. This site needs a lot more back and forth, and a lot less condescension (which has no place in a discussion between grown-ups), if it is to ever yield another solution.
Personally, I blame the wiki for speaking in a black-and-white, definitive manner for most of the inflexibility coming into this hunt. Haha, just yesterday I saw this in a comment on the wiki for New York (which brings this discussion back on topic):
Can someone please explain exactly which tree we currently think this casque is located at? I don’t want to go digging, I just am confused because there seems to be quite a bit of debate.

NYCNative

Oh I did not forget, that is why I emphasis this makes no sense. Your logic is saying that JPP used a random statue, in a
park
that is not the casque site (nor does it seem to have anything to do with it) to confirm that you are in the right city? As if anyone not familiar with the statue would stumble upon it somehow, see it and have a confirmation that it is new york?
I think the SOL face and the 74 alone are your confirmations that it is NYC. you forget that in Chicago, the monuments used was all within a route to the casque. Plus you have to ignore the rest of the wave to try to make that dancing bear fit.
I think you are reaching hard to make this fit, when it just doesn’t. Nothing supports it but your assumption that JPP put the hidden image there to confirm NYC, for at least the 3rd time. I do not think he was that repetitive especially when more essential clues had to be placed in the image for a more specific location then just general NYC.

Growth mentality, my friend. M and B should be the only people set in stone on this solve.
I too love passionate discourse and people having strong opinions, but there’s a way to share them that does’t derail the entire thread. I too agree that it is absurd and utterly pointless to use a random statue as a landmark for a huge city, but that seems to be what Preiss did. From two-inch-tall legeaters to Milwaukee hair sculptures, BP has repeatedly shown a frustrating inability to link the visibility of a clue to its proximity to the dig site
If you look at it from a flexible perspective, rather than assuming you have the complete answer and everyone else is wrong, then you won’t do stuff like force the odd notion that the clues for cask 5 follow a route to the casque, when BP himself said the second to last line of the verse (“brush”) refers to a building half a mile away from the dig site.
Remember, both solves were made through trial and error, and amended solves between multiple parties communicating. This site needs a lot more back and forth, and a lot less condescension (which has no place in a discussion between grown-ups), if it is to ever yield another solution.
Personally, I blame the wiki for speaking in a black-and-white, definitive manner for most of the inflexibility coming into this hunt. Haha, just yesterday I saw this in a comment on the wiki for New York (which brings this discussion back on topic):
Can someone please explain exactly which tree we currently think this casque is located at? I don’t want to go digging, I just am confused because there seems to be quite a bit of debate.

Unknown

Unknown:
when BP himself said the second to last line of the verse (“brush”) refers to a building half a mile away from the dig site.

At the risk of being perceived as pedantic, I feel compelled to point out that lending credence to things Preiss said, or might have said, creates a lot of problems in its own right since much of that information is contradictory. Having said that, the Art Institute of Chicago is right across the street from where the casque was buried.

Euhirudinea

At the risk of being perceived as pedantic, I feel compelled to point out that lending credence to things Preiss said, or might have said, creates a lot of problems in its own right since much of that information is contradictory. Having said that, the Art Institute of Chicago is right across the street from where the casque was buried.

You are right, this was, I believe, in the same interview where he told Egbert Chicago was won by some stockbrokers and 10×13 was feet.
Great, I’d love to be wrong on this, a walking tour gives us a solid clue to apply to other puzzles.
I still think that bear statue is a solid match because of the weird nose, even if it isn’t helpful. Preiss wasn’t the greatest puzzlemaker

you guys realize i already posted the complete solution for this right? lol…

Good luck

The Secret by Byron Preiss (New York) it is a closed fb page sorry for that
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2029208 … oup_header

lost

The Secret by Byron Preiss (New York) it is a closed fb page sorry for that
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2029208 … oup_header

the main page
The Secret: A Treasure Hunt Byron Preiss
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1669016820051443/
links you to the others 10 groups ie ny….

Euhirudinea

At the risk of being perceived as pedantic, I feel compelled to point out that lending credence to things Preiss said, or might have said, creates a lot of problems in its own right since much of that information is contradictory. Having said that, the Art Institute of Chicago is right across the street from where the casque was buried.

Unknown

Unknown:
you guys realize i already posted the complete solution for this right?

Josh, rather than argue, we will have to agree to disagree on the meaning of the term “complete solution”. To me, a complete solution not only leads to an actual casque, but also moves the rest of the puzzles forward. With regard to the former, I simply refuse to believe that the remaining 10 casques are no longer recoverable.

Unknown

Unknown:

Yeah, sorry NYN. I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.

drunknerds

Don’t forget, PReiss said “there is not a cask in central park.” So the bear must be something else. Hopefully it’s some sort of clue and “bear” or “music” or “clock” are what we should take from that. But really it’s probably like that Chicago Dryad fountain, and is just a really hidden way of saying “yeah, NY.” Sigh.

Oh I did not forget, that is why I emphasis this makes no sense. Your logic is saying that JPP used a random statue, in a park that is not the casque site (nor does it seem to have anything to do with it) to confirm that you are in the right city? As if anyone not familiar with the statue would stumble upon it somehow, see it and have a confirmation that it is new york?
I think the SOL face and the 74 alone are your confirmations that it is NYC. you forget that in Chicago, the monuments used was all within a route to the casque. Plus you have to ignore the rest of the wave to try to make that dancing bear fit.
I think you are reaching hard to make this fit, when it just doesn’t. Nothing supports it but your assumption that JPP put the hidden image there to confirm NYC, for at least the 3rd time. I do not think he was that repetitive especially when more essential clues had to be placed in the image for a more specific location then just general NYC.

drunknerds

Don’t forget, PReiss said “there is not a cask in
central
park
.” So the bear must be something else. Hopefully it’s some sort of clue and “bear” or “music” or “clock” are what we should take from that. But really it’s probably like that Chicago Dryad fountain, and is just a really hidden way of saying “yeah, NY.” Sigh.

Oh I did not forget, that is why I emphasis this makes no sense. Your logic is saying that JPP used a random statue, in a
park
that is not the casque site (nor does it seem to have anything to do with it) to confirm that you are in the right city? As if anyone not familiar with the statue would stumble upon it somehow, see it and have a confirmation that it is new york?
I think the SOL face and the 74 alone are your confirmations that it is NYC. you forget that in Chicago, the monuments used was all within a route to the casque. Plus you have to ignore the rest of the wave to try to make that dancing bear fit.
I think you are reaching hard to make this fit, when it just doesn’t. Nothing supports it but your assumption that JPP put the hidden image there to confirm NYC, for at least the 3rd time. I do not think he was that repetitive especially when more essential clues had to be placed in the image for a more specific location then just general NYC.

It does kind of look like “a” trade center.  Maybe they thought if they put both up it would be too easy.
Ah yes, one of those silly decoder things one would find in cereal boxes.  I’ve dug around my house looking for anything clear and red (like acytate) but to no avail.  I did, however; find a clear purple ruler.  When placed over the red spotted panel, the purple dots were brought out a little better but I could not make out anything.  I think if you were to use red, it would make it real noticeable.

weve covered the eagle statue before, it post datest the book.

Cormac

Facing the Statue of Liberty across New York harbor, …
On the eastern side of the plaza a monumental bronze eagle, sculpted by Albino Manca (1898–1976) and set on a pedestal of polished black granite, grips a laurel wreath over a wave–signifying the act of mourning at the watery grave. The monument was commissioned by the American Battle Monuments Commission (ABMC), a small independent agency of the executive branch of the United States federal government, and was dedicated by President John F. Kennedy (1917–1963) on May 23, 1963.

How does this postdate the park?
I ran a search on eagle through the posts and didn’t see coverage of the eagle postdating….
I’ve probably missed it…. could you please reference it for me?
Thanks,
Cormac

Cormac

Facing the Statue of Liberty across New York harbor, …
On the eastern side of the plaza a monumental bronze eagle, sculpted by Albino Manca (1898–1976) and set on a pedestal of polished black granite, grips a laurel wreath over a wave–signifying the act of mourning at the watery grave. The monument was commissioned by the American Battle Monuments Commission (ABMC), a small independent agency of the executive branch of the United States federal government, and was dedicated by President John F. Kennedy (1917–1963) on May 23, 1963.

How does this postdate the
park
?
I ran a search on eagle through the posts and didn’t see coverage of the eagle postdating….
I’ve probably missed it…. could you please reference it for me?
Thanks,
Cormac

Merlot Brougham

…the Statue of Liberty is “obviously” a red herring…

Unknown

Unknown:
Bryon Preiss gives you an exact match of the birds on the Ferry Building terminal on Ellis Island that several people missed on their trips to Ellis Island. Must mean it’s buried at Fort Hamilton, or somewhere on Staten Island, right?

Merlot Brougham

…we may have to consider alternate verses…

OK, OK. It’s NYC.
(But I still say the book contains misdirection. Fact.)
Other puzzles have clues that are just as widely separated. (Eg, “Dark forest” / “Dauntless and inconquerable”). So, yeah, possibly.
Definitely. The jury’s still out on several pairings IMHO.

WhiteRabbit

OK, OK. It’s NYC.
(But I still say the book contains misdirection. Fact.)
Other puzzles have clues that are just as widely separated. (Eg, “Dark forest” / “Dauntless and inconquerable”). So, yeah, possibly.
Definitely. The jury’s still out on several pairings IMHO.

What if the Isle of B. Is the Pitcher’s mound on a baseball diamond?
Does this seem to work?

That bird can be found everywhere and has been easy to spot in at lease NYC, Philly, DC, and Hartford. It’s ubiquitous among decoration of buildings in the late 19th and early 20th century.

IanH84

That bird can be found everywhere and has been easy to spot in at lease NYC, Philly, DC, and Hartford. It’s ubiquitous among decoration of buildings in the late 19th and early 20th century.

But we have
THE
Bird(s).

have we ever talked glass sidewalk vault lights
http://www.phosforus.com/?p=290
http://untappedcities.com/2014/04/29/ci … s-of-soho/
bird eagles, just throwing it out there
http://www.bridgeandtunnelclub.com/bigm … ushingave/
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6978368 … e0!6m1!1e1

…and the long sash hanging from her waist is the part of the park called Long Meadow.

I like it wk. Concert Grove might be our place.

i think someone was looking for b4 and after pics of Battery Park,
found some at this link
http://www.thebattery.org/rebuilding/

i think someone was looking for b4 and after pics of Battery
Park
,
found some at this link
http://www.thebattery.org/rebuilding/

Cormac

Just a “what if”
It seems the dark rectangle has been assumed to be one of the twin towers…
What has us thinking this, wouldn’t there be 2 in the image?
Then I got to thinking… there wouldn’t be 2 if the angle of view put one behind the other.

If there were two, the artist would have given it away immediately.

I posted on the Image 12 thread before, but it doesn’t appear as though it worked.
I am in New York, it is not too bad out at the moment and it is supposed to get very warm over the next couple days. I am planning to visit the site of where I believe the NY casque is over the weekend, although I don’t plan to dig unless I get adequate permission from the relevant authorities. I have already started a dialogue with the necessary department, and hopefully I’ll be able to dig early next week.
That being said, if Oregonian has an additional theory that they would like me to explore, I am more than open to doing so. I live in Brooklyn, so I can get to anywhere in the NYC area relatively easily. I am trying to avoid an “unlicensed” dig, so the potential solution would need to be under the same jurisdiction as the organization my dialogue has been with. If you are as confident as I am, I’d imagine we have the same solution.

wells, i’ve been thinking and maybe the image is pertaining to (robert ) moses parting the sea…………..since he did so much for the parks in new york and the subways  ;D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Moses

Thank you Slappy.  I am reading it all….just waiting for something to click.

Only that one seems to have seven domes, six that you can see in the pic.

I already tried the distortion on the San Francisco panorama at the top of image 1.
http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/i … ic=770.780
I wondered if JJP’s use of outlining in bright blue was a hint that the picture needed to be looked at differently.
If you try it on FOY image you get an enhanced three dimensional result from the rocks that indicates a Y shaped path.
However, the sleeve on the left of this image 12 if tilted gives 73 perhaps.

I’ve not found lat long coords here.  If there are anh, I’d hope they would be 48 and 123.

WhiteRabbit

If we take the Image 9 coords for NY, then what do you make of possible Image 12 coords Egbert…? The clearest numbers I see are 36 on the flower (turn sideways)…
…could also be 63,38, 83 etc…
…and 50 in the waves. (Turn the picture 90 deg anticlockwise and the “5” is the breaking wave.)
63, 50 is the Havre-Sainte-Pierre area near Newfoundland.

Image 12 is difficult, since most of the hidden objects appear to be in the water and waves.
The flower appears to me to have either the number 30, or even 300.  I don’t see 36, WhiteRabbit.
As for the waves, my gosh, you can see almost anything in the waves.  I outlined below what I think I see if you turn the image upside-down, but 1-digit numbers are not much help.  There are numbers to the right, but the first digit may not be a 1, and it may only be a 2-digit number.  The middle digit is either a 2 or a 3, and the last digit is either a 4 or a 1.
In the water are also quite a few things, and they could be letters or numbers.  I just circled the 2 items I thought were relevant.  They could be letters or numbers.  From the angle below, they look like 19 or JP, and 74 or 174 or 24 or 124.  If you turn the picture upside-down, the 74 then looks like FL.
There are also what I believe to be letters in the water.  I can definitely see the letter A, but I think there are 3 letters, and A is in the middle.  I remember an optical illusion book I read once, where the letters were elongated, and if you looked at the page from a lower angle (you can’t do that with a computer), you can see the letters clearly.
Lastly, take a look at her robes.  The sleeve on the left appears to have a shape that is relevant.  It “pops out” of the picture, and is trying to blend in with the rest of the robe.  I believe we will find that symbol near the treasure.  Also, I see a partial face in the robe.
I have to admit, I am disappointed that I cannot find the coordinates for Vancouver (unless you use 124, but that is a bit of a stretch).  Here is a link to a pretty good map of Canada with latitudes and longitudes (scroll to the bottom):
https://gcps.desire2learn.com/d2l/lor/viewer/viewFile.d2lfile/6605/5027/39CanadaMapSkills_print.html
I like WhiteRabbit’s book find of Newfoundland.  I still think this is the Canadian picture for the treasure, not NY (I know, you are going to point out the 74 in the water).  I am hoping that the silhouette of the Russian Orthodox Church is that of an actual building, and that once we find it, we will know we are near treasure ground.  It is an unusual silhouette, since the onion domes are different sizes.

Egbert

There are also what I believe to be letters in the water.  I can definitely see the letter A, but I think there are 3 letters, and A is in the middle.  I remember an optical illusion book I read once, where the letters were elongated, and if you looked at the page from a lower angle (you can’t do that with a computer), you can see the letters clearly.

I like that. That’s the first thing I thought of when I saw that water. That old optical illusion. I tried it on the robe in the image a while back too. Didn’t get much feedback though. Flip the image and use the same process to look at the spot where you see that face on the robe. I see a left side view of the Statue of Liberty’s face with the wrinkled sleeve of her raised arm in the background. Maybe an ink blot test but that’s what I see. Can’t really post a pic of that angle here to show it though.

I can’t shake how similar these features are to this monument piece.  Looking closely at the circled area reveals some small gaps as implying this is a columned structure, note the columns in George Pickett’s Virginia monument.  This was an easy find given the idea to read consider picket = Pickett.

I found a 1929 monument in honor of four of DAR’s founding women, the comparison isn’t exact, but it looks good:

There is also Queen Victoria Park in Niagara Falls Ontario.
www.niagarafallslive.com/Queen_Victoria … ntario.htm
Boasts to be the best point from which to look at the Falls, stretches from Horseshoe Falls to the Oakes Gardens Theatre.
But this may not fit the “isle of B” issue.

http://www.brooklyn.com/map.php?nbhd=57
Nothing new here, but look at the link above and compare it to verse 10.  You cantraverse all over NY and beyond with this sattillite image.        Boog

Unknown

Unknown:
BTW, is there any chance that there is more than one jewel buried in the nyc area?

Great question!

We have pictures. Trying to figure out how to upload them so that others can access them. Hopefully, it’ll be done over the weekend.
BTW, is there any chance that there is more than one jewel buried in the nyc area?

If you register here:
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/arm … e_hunting/
You can upload images and then link to them on the board.
Mark

in the center of the north and south lanes of park ave there is a strip of trees.

ok, get permission to dig.
wilhouse

Yahoo groups is a great place to put pictures, but I have found that
www.shutterfly.com
is also a good place.
wilhouse

Correct me if I’m wrong
but it kind of sounds like you didn’t solve it. that you more likely have a general idea of the location.
Prospect Park sounds great. How does the verse play out to get you to the dig spot.

maltedfalcon

Correct me if I’m wrong
but it kind of sounds like you didn’t solve it. that you more likely have a general idea of the location.
Prospect Park sounds great. How does the verse play out to get you to the dig spot.

That is incorrect. I have the full solve and can point to you where it was and where it should be today.

if we put a crew together maybe we can dig LOL
kidding

Xieish

This would stand up in court. I plan on pursuing it as best I can.

What, you’re going to
sue
them for the prize?

Squirrel on steroids….too funny
but yes, I see what you are talking about now that you mentioned it but am not sure I would’ve otherwise.

animal painter

Okay…Is there an animal in the water foam?
*snipped*
I see a kind of creature like a badger, a wolverine, an otter…a squirrel on steroids…
It looks like it has its paws outstretched to the right.
What do you think?
AP

It looks like a koala bear to me.

If you look at the entire area of the water foam,
it may even look like a dragon…
AP

Okay…Is there an animal in the water foam?
I see a kind of creature like a badger, a wolverine, an otter…a squirrel on steroids…
It looks like it has its paws outstretched to the right.
What do you think?
AP

Promyshlenniki Russian traders met with Pickett and he traded furs for a red cedar box which was filled with personal affects and sent with his half-Indian son Jimmy after the death of Morning Mist.  I think the Moorish architecture present in the window pane just left of the woman’s face is an indication of that box. I think this image and verse 9 both connect with a focus on Pickett’s life.  I like the connection between Pickett, the events of Gettysburg and the book by Preiss, American Heritage History of the Battle of Gettysburg.

lost

field guide page 221 & 222 hints
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid … =3&theater

In the picture where you wrote, “World Trade” under the first column, the bottom pane has one rectangle. That implies one building (if it signifies a building). Your explanation indicates multiple buildings: “The original World Trade Center was a large complex of seven buildings in Lower Manhattan, New York City, United States. It featured the landmark Twin Towers”
1) How do you go from a single rectangle in the image to multiple (7) buildings….or, two towers?
2) Furthermore, if the upper left pane is a “D”…..what is the blue upper right pane in the last column? A reverse “D”?
3) And, outside of being able to spell “W E S T” along each of the columns, coupled with saying that the upper left pane is a “D”….how did you come to the conclusion that all of that pointed to the Dutch West India Company?
4) Finally…..how does the Dutch West India Company fit into a more specific spot in the puzzle, other than pointing to New York in general?
(Dutch West India Company hasn’t been in that area since the British took control, renaming a portion of New Netherlands as “New York”)
I think all of that are what DN and NYCN are curious about….me too.
(The text / image about the Spirit of ’76 doesn’t answer those questions.)

lost

trying to get feedback attempt # 2

I like where you are going with this, but some of the connections are a little questionable, and why the Dutch West India Company? Yes, they played a role in the very early history of New York (New Amsterdam, if you like), but basically failed. Maybe you can study this and revise it a bit to reflect something more contemporary that would tie into some realities on the ground and give us clues to finding the casque.

gManTexas

I like where you are going with this, but some of the connections are a little questionable, and why the Dutch West India Company? Yes, they played a role in the very early history of New York (New Amsterdam, if you like), but basically failed. Maybe you can study this and revise it a bit to reflect something more contemporary that would tie into some realities on the ground and give us clues to finding the casque.

Yeah….what he said.
=]

Mister EZ

In the picture where you wrote, “World Trade” under the first column, the bottom pane has one rectangle. That implies one building (if it signifies a building). Your explanation indicates multiple buildings: “The original World Trade Center was a large complex of seven buildings in Lower Manhattan, New York City, United States. It featured the landmark Twin Towers”
1) How do you go from a single rectangle in the image to multiple (7) buildings….or, two towers?
2) Furthermore, if the upper left pane is a “D”…..what is the blue upper right pane in the last column? A reverse “D”?
3) And, outside of being able to spell “W E S T” along each of the columns, coupled with saying that the upper left pane is a “D”….how did you come to the conclusion that all of that pointed to the Dutch West India Company?
4) Finally…..how does the Dutch West India Company fit into a more specific spot in the puzzle, other than pointing to New York in general?
(Dutch West India Company hasn’t been in that area since the British took control, renaming a portion of New Netherlands as “New York”)
I think all of that are what DN and NYCN are curious about….me too.
(The text / image about the Spirit of ’76 doesn’t answer those questions.)

upper left pane is not the “D” the D is the half moon on its back
half moon = henry hudson = Dutch West India Company= russia link worked for them

lost

upper left pane is not the “D” the D is the half moon on its back
half moon = henry hudson = Dutch West India Company= russia link worked for them

Ahhhhh….I needed to refocus my binoculars, zooming out to see the “D”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halve_Maen
.
Gotcha….understood.
What about the single rectangle vs the number of buildings at the World Trade Center?
And….how does all of that lead to a more specific area or borough?
(Right now, I only see you pointing to…Manhattan….in general….?)
EDIT: That Wikipedia entry says that the Half Moon was owned by the Dutch
East
India Company…? (Dutch East….Dutch West…..prolly doesn’t matter. Right?)

lost

upper left pane is not the “D” the D is the half moon on its back
half moon = henry hudson = Dutch West India Company= russia link worked for them

While I am capable of researching, it would be helpful if you laid out a reasonable progression to get us from Dutch to Henry Hudson (English) to Russian. I’m rooting for you, but if you want this to be taken serious, you’ll have to do a lot more explaining.
Also, generalizations that we should be in NY are moot since we are already there.

anus905

you guys realize i already posted the complete solution for this right? lol…

Josh, I posted my solve as well, just as I have for many other cities. But until those areas get probed or dug it’s just an interpretation of the clues.
Are you saying everyone should stop looking? That’s not gonna happen until there is an end game. I have a lot of confidence in my solves too but it doesn’t mean jack until a casque is found.

Unknown

Unknown:
But until those areas get probed or dug it’s just an interpretation of the clues.

And how would you know if this is happening?
At least Josh is digging. From where I sit, that’s the ultimate act of confidence. Especially if it involves expense, and/or risk. And in his case, we know both are true.

I’m going to do a treasure hunt like this, and the “image” will just be a photo of a bunch of clouds.

drunknerds

I’m going to do a treasure hunt like this, and the “image” will just be a photo of a bunch of clouds.

And what literary references will be in your verse/poem?

Euhirudinea

At least Josh is digging. From where I sit, that’s the ultimate act of confidence. Especially if it involves expense, and/or risk. And in his case, we know both are true.

Josh’s voyage is/was commendable. I, and would expect that others, would love to have the opportunity to make the same tour and attempts at the sites.
The problem is that Josh doesn’t have a solid grasp of the line between ultimate confidence and actual reality. When a rock solid solution goes wrong, that ultimate confidence doesn’t allow for the required dose of humble.

BINGO

Josh’s voyage is/was commendable. I, and would expect that others, would love to have the opportunity to make the same tour and attempts at the sites.
The problem is that Josh doesn’t have a solid grasp of the line between ultimate confidence and actual reality. When a rock solid solution goes wrong, that ultimate confidence doesn’t allow for the required dose of humble.

I have to admit, “I did everything right. I just fell for the red herring path,” is Nadia Comaneci levels of mental gymnastics to avoid saying, “oh, it looks like I was slightly wrong once.”

erexere

And what literary references will be in your verse/poem?

Great question. I’m thinking it will be a bunch of consecutive & unanswered texts from my mom. Here’s one batch I’ve been particularly fond of, from when I took my 4 year old sons camping:
We’ll take the boys
Fir the night
When you get back
Even if you have to come home Saturday
Or even Friday
We’ll take the boys
So you can recover
How’s it going?
Remember we’ll take the kidsnif
The woods get too hard.
I remember
Taking you camping
You cried and cried
So we went back
We will take the kids
For an ivernight
If you run
Into similar trouble.
Welcome back!
I think we are too tired
To take the kids tonight

Unknown

Unknown:
Josh doesn’t have a solid grasp of the line between ultimate confidence and actual reality.

So what else is new? The forum is littered with posters who solved the puzzle, dug a hole, found nothing, and concluded that it must be gone. Or variations on that theme. Unless and until it is dug up somewhere else, and if history is any guide, there is no other way to convince them otherwise. That’s the reality that I know, and the one that guides me on this forum. YMMV.

drunknerds

Great question. I’m thinking it will be a bunch of consecutive & unanswered texts from my mom. Here’s one batch I’ve been particularly fond of, from when I took my 4 year old sons camping:
We’ll take the boys
Fir the night
When you get back
Even if you have to come home Saturday
Or even Friday
We’ll take the boys
So you can recover
How’s it going?
Remember we’ll take the kidsnif
The woods get too hard.
I remember
Taking you camping
You cried and cried
So we went back
We will take the kids
For an ivernight
If you run
Into similar trouble.
Welcome back!
I think we are too tired
To take the kids tonight

Well duh! its in the woods…

Unknown

Unknown:
is Nadia Comaneci levels of mental gymnastics

Ha. Josh is currently the most vocal, but in terms of mental gymnastics, he doesn’t even crack my Top 10.*
*See what I did there?

BINGO

When a rock solid solution goes wrong, that ultimate confidence doesn’t allow for the required dose of humble.

Renovator, you missed or ignored this part, so I’ll repeat it.
*I haven’t seen many people who are convinced of thier solves, continue to profess perfection with nothing in hand to show for it.

q4tm can you see the image using this link ty for your help.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid … 684&type=3

Unknown

Unknown:
continue to profess perfection with nothing in hand to show for it

That’s exactly what I was responding to Bingo. The forum is littered with former posters who did just that. The difference between them and Josh is that most of them have given up, concluding that the casques were irretrievable, and therefore continuing to search is a waste of time. It’s actually a very rational conclusion that’s based, IMO, on an irrational premise. But maybe I’m the one who is deluded, thinking that these can still be found 36 years on.

When you look at an example like Cleveland you see that it’s possible to find extremely good evidence to support a conclusion where someone might enthusiastically claim to have a solve. I think it’s reasonable to evaluate a visual and thematic basis to say, “this it it folks”. Then We have the next hurdle, which is where exactly is the treasure ground and can we hope to gain permission to dig.
So far, places of first hurdle significance can be counted on less than one hand. Everyone is entirely too focused on second hurdles when they haven’t yet gotten up from of their seats…

BINGO

Josh’s voyage is/was commendable. I, and would expect that others, would love to have the opportunity to make the same tour and attempts at the sites.
The problem is that Josh doesn’t have a solid grasp of the line between ultimate confidence and actual reality. When a rock solid solution goes wrong, that ultimate confidence doesn’t allow for the required dose of humble.

but i do…cause i tweaked my mistakes on the ground. in houston i realized you had to stand BW the spout and auditorium. in san fran (it took me coming home and mapping out everything) to realize i had been tricked. and there is no way you could even tell its a trick without doing that. cause its designed into the puzzle as such. even if i had the spot i do now and the other spot id still probably choose the other spot first, even though this one fits more of the clues, better. i was right the whole time in charleston, nyc, boston and mtl. and i have the right spot in st aug, just not sure on the side. i got ran off by the police before i had a proper chance to check. i was also right in roanoke, but the casque seems to be gone by my estimate as that beach has been decimated. i talked to all the people at roanoke and they think i was likely right (also guy from the play wants you to stop emailing him lol). still need to go to mw bos and mtl which i will be over the next few weeks after i finish working.

charleston is gone and roanoke is gone…i would say the rest are all plausibly retrievable. houston will def be hard as hell though considering the changes made. and nyc is possibly there albeit broken and distributed. its possible its not right on the beach in roanoke i guess. seems almost illogical to bury it near a beach, but it was buried right by the water in charleston too.

I have had that great pleasure to meet and sit down with a park historian, who did not dismiss me as another loon looking for a treasure, thank god!
She is very intrigued and is on board to help us with the park many of us are sure the casque is in.
If anyone has any questions for her, please message them to me. She is looking at the panels and going through archives for us currently.
We are studying what could of been in the park and its changes from 78-82, just to be thorough.
Thanks.

i already told you guys the park THAT IS IN THE PAINTING…multiple times lol…last i saw borntalent said he dug some of it up…and he may have…

lmao. wrong park, bro.

anus905

i already told you guys the park THAT IS IN THE PAINTING…multiple times lol…last i saw borntalent said he dug some of it up…and he may have…

And we already told you that you are not wanted here by the multiple bans you have been given. How do you have any pride left when people tell you to get lost, and yet you still come back where you are not welcomed?
The only thing you have contributed to this forum is gathering people together to point and laugh at you!
Better hurry up and reply before the cut off your internet connection for the day, butthole.

anus905

i already told you guys the
park
THAT IS IN THE PAINTING…multiple times lol…last i saw borntalent said he dug some of it up…and he may have…

And we already told you that you are not wanted here by the multiple bans you have been given. How do you have any pride left when people tell you to get lost, and yet you still come back where you are not welcomed?
The only thing you have contributed to this forum is gathering people together to point and laugh at you!
Better hurry up and reply before the cut off your internet connection for the day, butthole.

NYCNative

I have had that great pleasure to meet and sit down with a park historian, who did not dismiss me as another loon looking for a treasure, thank god!
She is very intrigued and is on board to help us with the park many of us are sure the casque is in.
If anyone has any questions for her, please message them to me. She is looking at the panels and going through archives for us currently.
We are studying what could of been in the park and its changes from 78-82, just to be thorough.
Thanks.

This is great. WOuld love to hear any insights/observations she has. Even if it doesn’t lead to a solve, this hunt has given me a greater appreciation for artwork in parks.

NYCNative

I have had that great pleasure to meet and sit down with a
park
historian, who did not dismiss me as another loon looking for a treasure, thank god!
She is very intrigued and is on board to help us with the
park
many of us are sure the casque is in.
If anyone has any questions for her, please message them to me. She is looking at the panels and going through archives for us currently.
We are studying what could of been in the
park
and its changes from 78-82, just to be thorough.
Thanks.

This is great. WOuld love to hear any insights/observations she has. Even if it doesn’t lead to a solve, this hunt has given me a greater appreciation for artwork in parks.

haha truth drunknerds…youve no idea lol…

drunknerds

This is great. WOuld love to hear any insights/observations she has. Even if it doesn’t lead to a solve, this hunt has given me a greater appreciation for artwork in parks.

I agree drunk. I have lived in this City all my life and never knew about all the amazing history it holds. I now go to the park just to have my coffee and enjoy the beauty of its design and history. Which is the point of any treasure hunt. The real treasure is the experience and all that you will see in the adventure.
But again, any questions about the verse or image as it relates to the park is welcomed.
Thank you

drunknerds

This is great. WOuld love to hear any insights/observations she has. Even if it doesn’t lead to a solve, this hunt has given me a greater appreciation for artwork in parks.

I agree drunk. I have lived in this City all my life and never knew about all the amazing history it holds. I now go to the
park
just to have my coffee and enjoy the beauty of its design and history. Which is the point of any treasure hunt. The real treasure is the experience and all that you will see in the adventure.
But again, any questions about the verse or image as it relates to the
park
is welcomed.
Thank you

lost

q4tm can you see the image using this link ty for your help.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid … 684&type=3

trying to get feedback attempt # 2

lost

trying to get feedback attempt # 2

Great, I can totally see it. Thanks for sharing, I’ve not seen any speculation about either of those things
Now, I need you to explain it to me. Why “Dutch” and is the letter D the only clue that led you there?
WEST is an interesting find, makes me want to try that on other images. However, the WTC seems really forced to me: It’s not red, it’s not one tower

lost

trying to get feedback attempt # 2

drunknerds

Great, I can totally see it. Thanks for sharing, I’ve not seen any speculation about either of those things
Now, I need you to explain it to me. Why “Dutch” and is the letter D the only clue that led you there?
WEST is an interesting find, makes me want to try that on other images. However, the WTC seems really forced to me: It’s not red, it’s not one tower

The original World Trade Center was a large complex of seven buildings in Lower Manhattan, New York City, United States. It featured the landmark Twin Towers
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid … 684&type=3

Great, I can totally see it. Thanks for sharing, I’ve not seen any speculation about either of those things
Now, I need you to explain it to me. Why “Dutch” and is the letter D the only clue that led you there?
WEST is an interesting find, makes me want to try that on other images. However, the WTC seems really forced to me: It’s not red, it’s not one tower
The original World Trade Center was a large complex of seven buildings in Lower Manhattan, New York City, United States. It featured the landmark Twin Towers
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid … 684&type=3

and…?

field guide page 221 & 222 hints
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid … =3&theater

lost

3) the pic was me finally learning how to link image to the forum.

Great! It makes image connections so much easier to relate. I really can’t follow when somebody links to, say, a google maps overhead and says “this resembles his collar,” or whatever.

MANDELA EFFECT
your right. VI is wrong.
wtc still works 4 me
Fountain of the Great Lakes (Chicago solved)

the hudson connection is obviosly part of the puzzle bc the hudson river drains into the atlantic at the base of the hudson valley at nyc.

Which doesn’t answer my question…like either tower, the new location of the US Customs House just made it one of multiple buildings at the WTC.
The image shows one rectangle. Not several.
And, the shape of WTC 6 isn’t exactly prominent…or, rectangular.
Fountain of the Great Lakes Chicago solved
Image represents 5 Lake

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Foun … _Lakes.jpg

lost

MANDELA EFFECT
your right. VI is wrong.
wtc still works 4 me

‘Mandela Effect’…ah.
Got it.
I was referring to you earlier as ‘he’, but that sort of passive aggressive use of the term ‘Mandela Effect’ to dismiss my opinion, implying that I’m suffering from the Q4T group-think and selective memory, is something my wife would do. I shall henceforth refer to you as ‘she’….which may be accurate.
And, here are a few terms for you:
APOPHENIA
SCOTOMISATION
AGENTICITY
You go right ahead and keep whackin’ that square peg with a big ol’ mallet. Looks like you’re well on your way to forcing it into that round hole of yours.
(Don’t ask for opinions, if you’re only looking for those that agree with yours.)
EDIT: You have to look at that fountain from all angles, before you start invoking the ‘Mandela Effect’ claim….