anus905

the hudson connection is obviosly part of the puzzle bc the hudson river drains into the atlantic at the base of the hudson valley at nyc.

That’s not the point.
This is going back to lost’s post on page 71, where he shows how he’s trying to link the “D” to the Dutch West India Company, through the ship the Half Moon, Captain Hudson and the Dutch East India Company…..allowing him to write ‘W E S T’ under the columns of the picture. Which, leads him to link the WTC to the first column and the image of a rectangle.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1626919847363601&set=a.1626923197363266.1073741825.100001368034684&type=3
But….
1) The Half Moon, captained by Hudson, was owned by the Dutch East India Company.
2) The Dutch East India Company is not the Dutch West India Company. (No reason to write ‘W E S T’ under the columns, if the ‘D’ is a ‘half moon’, pointing to the ship and Hudson.)
3) Because of points 1 and 2, linking the ‘W’ that’s erroneously written under the first column to the WTC is … erroneous.
4) lost has ignored points 1 through 3. And, when asked how he links a single rectangle to the WTC,
he
points out that it has several buildings.
5). When asked again, he provides a link to Wikipedia that talks about the customs house in WTC building 6….which explains nothing. (The WTC had multiple buildings. WTC 6 was not the shape of a tall rectangle, the way that WTC 1 and 2 were. The WTC 6 customs house is
not
the same as the ‘Alexander Hamilton’ customs house….they’re two different buildings.)
So….his method, imho, does nothing to link Hudson, the Half Moon and the Dutch East India Company to the image, in a way that allows him to write ‘W E S T’ under the columns in the picture. WTC 6 doesn’t link to the image. And, when he points out that the WTC had multiple buildings, he seems to agree that the image shows a single rectangle….not multiple rectangles.

lost

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fountain_Of_The_Great_Lakes.jpg

Yeah, nice fountain.
You should go see it sometime…..there’s a giant silvery egg just down the street that you can see, too…

Mister EZ

Yeah, nice fountain.
You should go see it sometime…..there’s a giant silvery egg just down the street that you can see, too…

Fountain of the Great Lakes Chicago solved
Image represents 5 Lake

lost

Fountain of the Great Lakes Chicago solved
Image represents 5 Lake

So…..?
(Going from ‘D’ to ‘Half Moon/Hudson/Dutch East’ to ‘Dutch West/Fort Amsterdam/A. Hamilton Customs House’ to WTC6, just because it was another Customs House and was next to two rectangular buildings, is a stretch, imho….and, that’s not even considering the number of buildings that were at the WTC or the shape of WTC6. Pointing out that the fountain has more than one figure doesn’t change my mind, especially since one of the figures is a dead-on match to the figure in the Chicago image. WTC6 doesn’t even come close to being rectangular.)
Sorry…but, you asked for input/opinions.
So, I gave mine….no offence intended…nothing personal intended, either.

under the same umbrella. i could be wrong
Going from ‘D’ to ‘Half Moon/Hudson/Dutch East’ to ‘Dutch West/Fort Amsterdam.
(/ and = ) = or
the only 4word i came up with using “est” was west
the only “w” i came up with was wtc using page 148.
new
Customs House’ to WTC6 is new do to tough questions asked
the clock VI is upside down in i12
VI = 6
WTC VI Customs House

But, the VI isn’t upside down in I12.
And the hands on the clock don’t point at the VI.
By that logic, the III actually is upside down…..WTC 3….?
(Still doesn’t work for me. Sorry.)

hudson worked for DEIC and found the hudson river and valley when trying to look for the NW passage. dutch west india company founded the fort at new amsterdam.

the clock reps time square. the clock on pier 2? building (at battery park), and clock on fort ham high.

Mister EZ

‘Mandela Effect’…ah.
Got it.
I was referring to you earlier as ‘he’, but that sort of passive aggressive use of the term ‘Mandela Effect’ to dismiss my opinion, implying that I’m suffering from the Q4T group-think and selective memory, is something my wife would do. I shall henceforth refer to you as ‘she’….which may be accurate.
And, here are a few terms for you:
APOPHENIA
SCOTOMISATION
AGENTICITY
You go right ahead and keep whackin’ that square peg with a big ol’ mallet. Looks like you’re well on your way to forcing it into that round hole of yours.
(Don’t ask for opinions, if you’re only looking for those that agree with yours.)
EDIT: You have to look at that fountain from all angles, before you start invoking the ‘Mandela Effect’ claim….

1)”MANDELA EFFECT” just apply to me. its just a header or title.
2)using the clock from i7 & i12 had me seeing upside down “VI” i was wrong.
3) the pic was me finally learning how to link image to the forum.

Nice job Rabbit!  I’m still looking for the time to get out there and take pictures and search around.  I hate to keep you guys waiting.  I just have a really full schedule now.  But I really like that whole area.  ALOT!

I also am a huge fan of that area.
It feels like a place where one could
inconspicuously carry a long-handled
spade and find a secluded spot to dig a
3-foot hole…
Good luck when you get there, Boogie.
AP

I previously suggested Fort Hamilton High School as a shape in this image. I was just taking another look at it and I still like this, so I thought I’d have another go at trying to convince y’all.
View opposite:
Aerial view:
Here’s that same “V” seen from the coast road:
Note the road sign (circled above):
Maybe by that lamp?

had an idea about your “steel” horses at bliss park whiterabbit.  remember the story about the horse being stolen….stolen one night, stole back, then stole again….then he got it in the “middle of the day ( or something like that)……maybe it’s at the middle of the 3rd …..( i didn’t reread the story, so however many days and night it went on)

(Cheers Slappy…I’m kind of set on Fort Hamilton High for I12 now. Way I see it, the “four strange Indians” are the ones shown at the bottom of the page, one with a bow, and the “steel horse” is the I5 weathervane which represents Grant Park’s Native American Bowman. I doubt this concept will prove popular however. And as a useful confirmer, it sucks.
)

Gman, my original solve is on page 65
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=754&start=960
Staten Island is my location because in Image 12 the alignment of the bird’s face with SOL creates a line to Staten Island on a map.
As for the image I posted I could drop down into GE Streetview and see great details which is why I found the glass block Windows to be compelling.

Although it would be fantastic for this to be Philly, I’d even meet you there,  I’m stuck on the NYC harbor.  Brooklyn, Manhattan, Hoboken NJ, Jersey City,  balloons….. I still like the battery, though with everything turned over, it’s tough to prove.
In the water, to the right in the blue of the
wave
, I see a BD.  Brooklyn Dodgers maybe?  In the eagle at the top, when turned to the right, there’s a dark K, and then a light NY with the maroon in the back of it.  I’m thinking about image5, the Bull and the C for Chicago.

Unknown

Unknown:
It was presented like an advertisement, discussing the odd and mysterious fairies of the book.  I don’t think it was the Chicago Tribune.  The Milwaukee Sentinel perhaps?
Damn, I loaned my book out, and now i need it to jog my memory.

It was a newspaper cutting from Chicago Tribune 11/16/82:
“Preiss says some of the puzzles are easy, and some are hard. He expects at least one treasure to be unearthed within 30 days. Others, of course, may never be found.”
the “of course” is ominous

interesting door at worth obelisk nyc

looks like the hidden shape of a stop sign.

dwarf star

you know what,im going to sit back and be silent.if anyone cares to read and see whats at the train station then we can chat…good luck on your quest

I am totally confused about why you brought this up in the first place?
This forum is for sharing of ideas…  right, wrong or other wise.
After twenty-six years, the competition for bragging rights has sailed.
FYI…
The station was not fully operational in 1981.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Totte … gton_Metro
)

Four images… nothing remarkable…
http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/showpix … G1sfG5zdGE
http://transit.schuminweb.com/rail/wash … tation=E06
http://transit.schuminweb.com/rail/wash … tation=B06

Went by our Bayonne church today.  If that is the church in the image, I think the casque would have to buried right there.  Unless it’s a clue to get us in the vacinity.  Otherwise, you can see nothing else around but homes.  At the east end,oops, west end of West 28th in Bayonne is the Bayonne High School.  Colors, get this, maroon and cream.  Behind the school, on the waterfront to the Kill Van Kull River, is Veterans Park and Ahern Memorial Stadium.  Yet no whirring sound with cars abound.  No grey giant.  No weight and roots extended either.  Still more research to do before this church is discounted.  It just looks to perfect!

BM-
How about a tree surrounded by a Green Picket Fence?
I am thinking that the Grey Giant is attached to San Fran.
The weight and roots is attached to Fort Moultrie.
Leaving us with:  The first chapter or Thucydides.
For those who do not know,
Bookbinders is a famous restraunt in Philadeplphia
that is well over one hundred years old.

I know this pic is very large, but just take a look at some of the dark areas.  I’ve played with the brightness and contrast and you can most definitely see the NJ on her left shoulder.  A lot of things in the wave and water.  And very bright is the S and I directly under both armpits, left to right.

Hi, forgive me I’m new and jumping round the site.Saw this for the 1st time on TV today. My take,you want the Rockefeller Centre and Tiffany’s. No idea if they are close. The unpolished diamond ring in metal says diamond district. Flip the Maiden’s skirt for the outline of, flip and 7 and 4 ,and you get 47th St, Manhattan and Maiden lane .Tiffany, was made a Knight of the French Legion of Honour, maybe the reason for choosing the French gifted Statue of Liberty ( George and the Dragon may represent the Knight), Russian Diamonds. 47th St runs through Time Sq ( the clock ). The Maiden is Pandora, daughter of Prometheus. He gave fire to the world ( metalworking possible) punished by being tied to a rock in the sea until Hercules( Lion cape) killed the Eagle * pecking his liver ( pic) with a bow and arrow. Manhattan means where bows and arrows are in 3 Indian languages. Pandora cried acid tears, symbol for arsenic trioxide is in waves on right under tear, used in smelting. They also resemble pearls which Tiffany loved. Rhapsodic man, taken to be Gershwin, may have played a J B Tiffany piano, he worked for Steinway who have a model named Rhapsody for him. The gemstones are in the top of the image and I would guess there is some kind of permanent display on a cushion, cushion cut diamond, inside Tiffany, possible 22 steps up. It may also be outside walking the length of the fountain thing away from the statue towards Tiffany. I have absolutely no idea of the layout having never been to NYC so sorry if they are not close by. The one thing that jumps out though is Pandora’s BOX….I sorry I only had my phone to look up little bits ..I hope this MIGHT make sense to someone . Good luck. Forgot to add. If there was any building connected with housing immigrants there before they built the complex it may be commemorated in the sign he refers to. If any building was going on when he did the book it could have been put in like a time capsule gets buried… *Tiffany also worked on the Great Seal of America featuring the eagle of course.

Siskel

Whether or not the tale was a separate additional clue, I have no real thought one way or the other. It certainly seems to bare a resemblance to the road that curved beneath two countries. But ultimately there were so many better markers in place both through the illustration and the prose that the tale played no part in our search.

And that is the point I was trying to make. We don’t need to solve EVERY possible clue to get where we need to be.
The 3 pointillism panels are certainly a clue. But even though I don’t know what they mean, the eagle head on the monument, the shape of the arms on Justice – which also match the “two arms extended” on the verse, and the 4 pylons with the dark rectangular doors in the same proportion as the vertical rectangle in the other panel tell me that this is the location, as sure as the columns and the fountain told you that the Cultural Gardens was correct.

DocZ

And that is the point I was trying to make. We don’t need to solve EVERY possible clue to get where we need to be.

DocZ

… the dark rectangular doors in the same proportion as the vertical rectangle in the other panel tell me that this is the location, as sure as the columns and the fountain told you that the Cultural Gardens was correct.

Agree completely. This is the case with Chicago also.
Disagree completely. The “columns” area was a polaroid, but there are many doors – metaphorically and in reality. You’d need a better/different match to be sure.

There was a time when nobody had any idea how these puzzles might work. If there is a nearby roadmap feature to be found in any or all of these, it can be a significant help to closing the gap. Roads may change though. Milwaukee had some major roadway alterations. Since the centaur tail came to my attention Ive been more concerned with flipped and rotated image tricks. I try to allow for only simple adjustments like exact 90 or 180 degree rotation. Anything else invites too much in the way of self-inflicted-herrings. Buying road maps from 1980 may be much more helpful than using modern day google maps.

Siskel

email from BP saying “nothing was buried in
Central
Park
“

The guys from Chicago also were told “There was no treasure buried in Chicago” BUT….this came from BP’s secretary not from him himself….very clever to deny everything at first. Siskel when you met with him you and Egg stated that he had a great poker face and wasn’t leaking any info about the other casques….is this just another way of him saying that he just isn’t saying…? Probably unlikely of him to bury it in the MOST LIKELY spot in New York.
He was from the Prospect
Park
area of Brooklyn, probably knew that
park
better than most, maybe spent more time there than any…Just thinking about him as a person, I would put it in Prospect
Park
. A friend of mine says there are some visual clues that can be seen there that relate to the picture, I can’t verify them yet. In any case, one way to look at it different (as I do with these) is consider the man who buried them. The New York site was probably special to him as it was his home, his birthplace…of all the cities in North America, New York may be one of the hardest places to bury something unseen, just due to the enormous population. BP also had more time with this one…much more than a handful of hours during 1 week to bury the casque. Then again maybe he knew where to put it for years, a place he’s been many times and knows like the back of his hand…somewhere familiar. I wouldn’t doubt that he has visited that statue in
Central
Park
many times, but that’s just because his office is only blocks off the
park
…he surely made use of it….
Open your mind up to more than the hunt, think about the Man…BP, think about the era this took place, and put yourself in BP’s shoes….what if you were creating this….what stumbling blocks might you encounter…what was going on in those cities back then that could effect BP’s plan…Often it doesn’t hurt to reverse engineer the puzzle….find a place that looks and feels like it could be right and work in reverse… It might be a little more tedious and difficult, but I assure you….you will see things differently, and it may help you unlock another clue.
Spend some time on the man and the myth and the answer may be more apparent. Don’t close your eyes to the person BP was…consider how his personal feelings may have influenced his placements. Look for themes in the partial solutions…in literature, anything that points to a method…I would guess when all the riddles are solved and casque locations uncovered, there may be a bigger picture, which if we knew now, may help us get there.
By the way Siskel and Egg…why did you pick Cleveland when both of you were closer to NYC? Just curious? Also can we expect a report on what’s going on with Renner’s Doc and the hunt he and Brian are apparently going on in FL?

Siskel

email from BP saying “nothing was buried in Central Park”

The guys from Chicago also were told “There was no treasure buried in Chicago” BUT….this came from BP’s secretary not from him himself….very clever to deny everything at first. Siskel when you met with him you and Egg stated that he had a great poker face and wasn’t leaking any info about the other casques….is this just another way of him saying that he just isn’t saying…? Probably unlikely of him to bury it in the MOST LIKELY spot in New York.
He was from the Prospect Park area of Brooklyn, probably knew that park better than most, maybe spent more time there than any…Just thinking about him as a person, I would put it in Prospect Park. A friend of mine says there are some visual clues that can be seen there that relate to the picture, I can’t verify them yet. In any case, one way to look at it different (as I do with these) is consider the man who buried them. The New York site was probably special to him as it was his home, his birthplace…of all the cities in North America, New York may be one of the hardest places to bury something unseen, just due to the enormous population. BP also had more time with this one…much more than a handful of hours during 1 week to bury the casque. Then again maybe he knew where to put it for years, a place he’s been many times and knows like the back of his hand…somewhere familiar. I wouldn’t doubt that he has visited that statue in Central Park many times, but that’s just because his office is only blocks off the park…he surely made use of it….
Open your mind up to more than the hunt, think about the Man…BP, think about the era this took place, and put yourself in BP’s shoes….what if you were creating this….what stumbling blocks might you encounter…what was going on in those cities back then that could effect BP’s plan…Often it doesn’t hurt to reverse engineer the puzzle….find a place that looks and feels like it could be right and work in reverse… It might be a little more tedious and difficult, but I assure you….you will see things differently, and it may help you unlock another clue.
Spend some time on the man and the myth and the answer may be more apparent. Don’t close your eyes to the person BP was…consider how his personal feelings may have influenced his placements. Look for themes in the partial solutions…in literature, anything that points to a method…I would guess when all the riddles are solved and casque locations uncovered, there may be a bigger picture, which if we knew now, may help us get there.
By the way Siskel and Egg…why did you pick Cleveland when both of you were closer to NYC? Just curious? Also can we expect a report on what’s going on with Renner’s Doc and the hunt he and Brian are apparently going on in FL?

I can only tell you from my/our experience, that that tail had NOTHING to do with finding the Cleveland casque. In fact, this is the first time I have ever even looked at that photo and seen the likeness. And while it may have been a clue intentionally buried in the illustration, it was NOT the map image I was referring to that was so helpful in narrowing down the site. Rather it was the outline of the state that got us to Ohio in the first place. Whether or not the tale was a separate additional clue, I have no real thought one way or the other. It certainly seems to bare a resemblance to the road that curved beneath two countries. But ultimately there were so many better markers in place both through the illustration and the prose that the tale played no part in our search.

Rotate the picture clockwise (90 degrees) and look closely at the seabirds tail section.  It looks like a tree, branches extending from the main trunk.

http://www.nycsubway.org/cars/nytm.html
a transit museum right below cadman plaza  and walt whitman

Here is a possible tree in Shore Rd Park, matching the shape of the robe-folds tree of image 12.
If you take about 22 steps in the East direction, from the middle of this branch of the v,
it would lead you to this tree.  Only an up-close look would tell if it resembles the image perfectly.
Two parks and two trees to check out…
both in Brooklyn (rhapsodic man’s soil)…
both are South of Bedloe’s  (Liberty) Island.. .
both near an arm over a slender path…
both in the shadow of the grey giant…

Couple of interesting picture links, and there are more on the root page.
http://www.pbase.com/reyeslp/image/39825299
http://www.pbase.com/reyeslp/image/39825286
And boogie, this isn’t an attempted shoot-down, though I do happen to believe it’s elsewhere.
Just found them and thought everyone would find them interesting.
Pine

Or this one, that Siskel and Egbert found awhile back. It’s at E. 97th and Madison Ave. just off Central Park in Manhattan:
http://www.nyc-architecture.com/UES/UES092.htm
From another website:
“St. Nicholas Cathedral is the main temple of the Russian Orthodox Church in North America. It has not only great
religious importance, but is also valuable as a unique architectural monument in the United States’ largest city. In 1934, the architectural complex
consisting of the temple and the Moscow Patriarchate’s Representation buildings officially obtained the status of being an architectural masterpiece.
The temple was built in 1902 by the command of Tsar Nicholas II.”

Springboarding from some comments from Siskel from awhile back…
Some details from P12 and from the face of the Main Building on Ellis Island:
Separated at birth? Hmm…

Nice. Good pics Pine Tree.  I’ve seen this church posted before, but not quite that good.  I must ask you though, why do you think this church has anything to do with image12?
Forgive me for the “don’t shoot me down” post.  I know how it looks in type, but it’s not really what I was trying to say.
But gosh, how long has everyone been at this?  These designated threads are an excellent idea, it’s just that now the forum should be designed for one casque at a time.  These are that hard.  The closest find seems to be Houston.  Wilhouse, wouldn’t you appreciate all efforts on this website be targeted towards
that
one for now.  Or is it that everyone really cannot stay on the same page?  I’ve only been at this for a year and a half, but it looks like this thing should move in another direction.
“Spinning Wheels” is all we’re doing.  If I’m wrong about this let me know and I’ll bud out. Hey, we really don’t owe anybody anything here, right?

I dont think we are spinning wheels at all.  I also dont think that anyone shoots down new ideas.  Yes, we have been working on this thing for quite some time….I started these threads back in ’01.  That doesnt mean we arent making any headway, nor does it mean that casques have not been found because we dont focus on just one page.  It means that this hunt is well put together and challenging.
One problem I have with all of us focusing on 1 casque at a time is this:  There is always a “possibility” (wondering if wilhouse agrees
) that we still do not have correct matchings for Ps & Vs.  I am happy with the P8 V1 pointing to Hermann Park in Houston……but….what if one of those is incorrect.  We focus on those and then we are spinning our wheels.  As each hunter finds something else “interesting” possibly pertaining to another P or V, cool…it may open up others we are working on.  I think the way we are doing things around here is working quite nicely….dont you Sir Egg? lol
The reason churches (orthodox) keep popping up for P12 is because of the sillouette of the church/mosque/? in the arched window behind Lady Liberty.
I dont think anyone is disregarding your ideas without thought boogieman.  I for one am pretty much sold on the NY casque being somewhere very near Ellis Island {if not on it}.  Still just having difficulty in pairing up the correct V….as of now, kind of like V5..but I am sure that will change several times before this casque is found.
I guess in a nutshell:  “Keep up the good work guys!  We HAVE found one of the elusive casques and it is only a matter of time before the next one falls to this group.”

Lat_ninram

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5BB9n543BcnUFVMeHJkcGdoalh0ZVRtX09Ga3haa1J6NTVv/view?usp=sharing

You created all of your evidence on your own and never even bothered to match the image to a verse.
I wanted to be a silent observer of these discussions, but after coming across this, I have to finally make a post and say this is the worst solution anyone on this forum has come up with.
Ever.

Harsh! Even for me.
I still like the Roosevelt Island that looks like her sash and the Queens bridge being the belt. The towers of the bridge are arched like most bridges and the south end of the island is in the shadow of the UN building, kinda. And to the north is the ‘I love Lucie’.

John Wolfe Ambrose-
“Once the work on the promenade is finished, you will be able to see the reinstalled memorial to John Wolfe Ambrose by Andrew O’Connor (1899). Ambrose was an Irish engineer who came to New York as a young man in the 1850’s and proceeded to change it dramatically with his work widening the channels in the harbor, developing the docks, and building elevated railroads. This little-known turn of the century monument is a small gem honoring an unsung engineer, the kind of thing we’d never even think to do today. “
take a look at what is depicted at the base of the memorial… hmmmm

(Yeah, sounds like BP did most of the legwork. Wonder what ol’ JJP is doing these days…)

boogieman

The artist, JJP, said that BP sent him photographs and he would paint the images according to those pics.  He has never been to the treasure sites.

Unknown

Unknown:
“Byron’s kind of like a little mad genius,” Palencar says. “He travelled the country picking places. Then he’d fed-ex me these dossiers with obscure photos and notes.”
Palencar came up with the idea of burying a casque in the Greek Cultural Garden. “We were kind of brainstorming places,” Palencar remembers. “I told Byron, I think I have a good spot.” He took Preiss out to the garden and then stood lookout while Preiss buried the casque.

Incidentally, I just noticed that JJP actually thought of the Greek Cultural Garden, and they went there together.
http://www.angelfire.com/dragon/egbert/secret.html

Nice !  I forgot about that Cleveland thing.
But I still suspect that BP sent him images for our #12 and he painted from those.

Like this eagle alot.  Never saw it there though.  Doesn’t mean it’s not there.  Must go see.
http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigi … s=12&pNum=
edit: check out these awesome pics of the OLD lady.
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?co … &maxCols=4

I’ve been trying to find a match for the domes.  No luck.  None of the domes
suggested in this thread, except for the one found by macmail in Pittsburgh
(
http://www.clpgh.org/exhibit/neighborho … _n221.html
)
have the ‘double dome’ form as seen in image 12.
The Pittsburgh church is not Russian, but Ukranian so instead of searching for ‘russian dome’
or ‘onion dome’, I tried ‘ukranian church’ and found that there are many more double
dome style churches of Ukranian origin than Russian.  The Ukranian domes also tend
to have a short vertical section with narrow veritcal windows separating the 2 domes
which would also match image 12.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image … church.jpg
There’s a Ukranian Musuem in New York.  Maybe they would have more examples
and/or history of this style of chrch?
FWIW

oK?
My question would be why would St. George matter one bit? Why do you feel Barett’s history has anything to do with the verse or image?

Warning: rabbit hole
I was doing some mindless poking around the NYC casque when I decided to look for some specific imagery related to the figure in the wave (M7-8). To me, it looks like the figure of a person kissing the ground, but others have noted the similarity to a buffalo.
Somehow, I stumbled across a monument that was to have been built in the Fort Wadsworth/Fort Tompkins area, literally in the shadow of the Verrazano Bridge, and across the Narrows from Fort Hamilton:
It was to be even taller than the Statue of Liberty (being built on a bluff overlooking the Narrows), and it looks like it was going to have two buffalo statues.
I thought it was interesting that the Native American statue was posed with two fingers extended, much like a “peace sign” or “V for Victory” (though in the image it looks like he’s flipping us off). Maybe because I have too much Churchill on my mind. But I keep coming across the themes of Peace and/or Victory in these puzzles.
So maybe the natives speak of someone related to this proposed monument? Tompkins? Wanamaker (the monument was his proposal)? Taft (dedicated the site)? There was even a politician by the name of Nathan Scott who opposed the monument.
More info.

I like the reasoning as well.  great pics cormac!
I read this post yesterday and have been trying to match it with v10 ever since.  Nothing solid yet.  Still looking for the “Ah Ha” moment….

Cormac

Now… how do we connect my last two posts…
I appologize in advance that I have to skip protocol and use a verse here.
Verse 1
“Perspective should not be lost”
Keep the church blocking one of the towers
“In the center of four alike”
Between the church and McCarren Pool Entrance are 4 tennis courts that were there at the time and can still be seen by google maps or google earth. These tennis courts have a strip of grass between them that is the exact same shape as the #12 image as a whole.
“Small, split”
Toward the church from this point is another piece of grass separated from the first by sidewalk that is the same shape as the stain-glass area of the image.
“A whistle sounds”
Could reference wistles blown from the track behind the tennis courts or the pool area beyond that (depending when the pool actually closed as a swimming pool.

This is all very solid reasoning…..but, you left out the most important lines of V1:
“Our strongest tower of delight” which ties directly to Hermann leading us directly to Hermann Park in Houston which just so happens to have to old locomotive “Nine eight two”.
BP has confirmed that there is a casque in Hermann Park {right wilhouse?} and if so, I can’t see how any other V would get us there except for V1.

Another interpretation of her hands: Between Diamond district and east river.

http://www.peruvian-tours.com/nazca2.jpg

Yep, I knew it. It’s buried in Peru!

Has anyone ever considered Governor’s Island as the search area? Any theories or useful research?

Choice

Has anyone ever considered Governor’s Island as the search area? Any theories or useful research?

Trohn

Up until 1996, when it became a National Park
Governor’s Island was first military
and then Coast Guard exclusively.
BP would have had zero access to this island.

Great question. If you go to the top of this page and enter “Governor” into the search box, you can see all the discussion over the past 18 years.
Unfortunately, there’s not a lot of discussion because, as Trohn posted:

Choice

Has anyone ever considered Governor’s Island as the search area? Any theories or useful research?

Trohn

Up until 1996, when it became a National
Park
Governor’s Island was first military
and then Coast Guard exclusively.
BP would have had zero access to this island.

Great question. If you go to the top of this page and enter “Governor” into the search box, you can see all the discussion over the past 18 years.
Unfortunately, there’s not a lot of discussion because, as Trohn posted:

Thanks DN, I read that and also shecrab’s rebuttal that people could travel freely because of the 3000+ residents of the island.

Consider if a book publisher actively interested in not getting sued. (as is any business) would encourage people to go dig on an active military base.
regardless of access the odds are close to zero (if not less)

After 1966 it was turned over to coast guard which was a part of dept of transportation then. Were they as strict as military?

Choice

After 1966 it was turned over to coast guard which was a part of dept of transportation then. Were they as strict as military?

Maltedfalcon brings up a great point in that we have to consider not whether he could bury it, but whether Bantam’s lawyers would allow it. Bantam was a huge company (not as megacorp as it is now, but still a huge company)… I wonder if they’d allow it at all. BUT if there was a significantly residential area where digging and stuff wouldn’t upset the military, that seems fair game.
Growing up, I lived on the military base where the a-bomb refueled on it’s way to Hawaii, then Japan. It was pretty strict. But we lived in civilian housing that had been decomissioned. God knows we screwed around digging, setting off fireworks, etc. in our neighborhood… but if we ventured onto active military property it was a serious deal.

In 1966 the island was turned over to the coast guard.
Coast guard was part of the dept of transportation.
So the question is: Was the coast guard as strict as the navy so to treat the island as a military base?

nice list of churches Cat and not a bad idea FB.  I just ran google image searches on every church on the list.  Granted, many of the churches came up with no results but the ones I did see were not very likely candidates for our P.  One semi interesting tidbit I noticed was that there were several of these Orthodox Churches in Canada….might we have the wrong locale?  Seems highly unlikely but……..

what if it isnt even a real church?  what if it is on something like a famous mural?  just tossing out maybes since we seem to have hit a dead end

i know we thought of times square long time ago because of the clock in the square in the image.
but think of these references…………..in summer…………
.time
of year
take twice as many steps as the hour……………………..
twice
= 2
times.
……………….
.hour (time)
will be doing more research tomorrow at times square..oh
here’s a pic of the ball for new years…………..another “
time”
reference
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Times_Square_ball.jpg

Howdy all, I haven’t looked at this one too much… Definitely the Statue of Liberty face, I like the bird head/ gargoyle correlation…. and the color blind panels… excellent! I had allway assumed the panels layout would be a match to a window panel very close to the casque location, round top panels and square lower panels, for some reason the double line on the bottom made me think that…

IIRC,we were looking in brooklyn at some could be sites,i ran across these maps,and not
sure if these old maps mark things that are no longer marked on newer maps,or no longer
there, anyway maybe they will help,and IDR if we decided on a V,hey spring is around the corner
http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Map/Maps.Main.html

…
John Barry
…?
http://www.wexfordassociation-newyork.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_Barry_Park
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Navy_Yard

i like that whiterabbit!! and that’s near my “buffalo”, ny
a lot about nicola tesla up there and he was austrian…..

This Wexford County Irish flag looks like the two blocks of color in image 12.
Just wondering why these colors in these shapes were used in this image.
http://www.flagsoftheworldshop.co.uk/in … cts_id=399

WhiteRabbit,
That is a very interesting find!
Wonder if they fly the Wexford flag at Commodore Barry
Park
?
AP

erexere

This image is refreshing, certainly less to evaluate visually than all the other images. I think it is more direct in some ways. A robed woman floating over the water like a rain cloud and a floating window with interesting little panels and a bird.
I’m thinking the verse is nearly everything when it comes to understanding the primary goal.

Agree 100%. The verse is everything, here…..once you have your location.

For what it is worth, my opinion is the exact opposite. I believe there is a truckload of very specific information in Image 12, but that davinci4 is correct that it absolutely does not work like Cleveland or Chicago. Image 12 – along with some of the other paintings – 2 and 10 come to mind off the top of my head – don’t seem to have a Bowman/Greek Wall level image match. As in no doubt about it – that is this thing in the real world – and it can only be this to the exclusion of all other possibilities.
As for the verse, my approach is that the verses are descriptive of a general area or specific things that will be seen along the way but they are too vague to be relied upon without corresponding visual matches from the image. The verses are just too easy to shoehorn into any given park and spot. Just my opinion.

Just a thought on this painting. Wondering if this image contains less visual clues at the cask site than some of the other paintings (if any clues at all). The paintings for Milwaukee and Montreal would be similar in this regard. Perhaps the verse is the only treasure map with regards to the burial location.
The logic that similar methods that were used to the recover the first two casks in Chicago/Cleveland may be flawed. Perhaps they were recovered because those paintings gave more visual information and less clues than are being offered here.

This image is refreshing, certainly less to evaluate visually than all the other images. I think it is more direct in some ways. A robed woman floating over the water like a rain cloud and a floating window with interesting little panels and a bird.
I’m thinking the verse is nearly everything when it comes to understanding the primary goal.

davinci4

Just a thought on this painting. Wondering if this image contains less visual clues at the cask site than some of the other paintings (if any clues at all). The paintings for Milwaukee and Montreal would be similar in this regard. Perhaps the verse is the only treasure map with regards to the burial location.
The logic that similar methods that were used to the recover the first two casks in Chicago/Cleveland may be flawed. Perhaps they were recovered because those paintings gave more visual information and less clues than are being offered here.

Finally realizes the images don’t show you where to go.
Doesn’t realize the same thing is true of the verses.

We probably shouldn’t be digging in cemeteries.

I noticed two strange features of Image 12 that I don’t think have been mentioned before. Both are continuity “errors,” illustrated here:
First, the edge of the window does not continue between the wings like it ought to.
Second, if you draw a line straight up the middle, the blue pebbled pane protrudes too far to the left at its top.

kato great find
slappy my cuz thinks, we are pirates, still checking, on that
been busy, still busy for a few more weeks
found this site, a show and tell of new york city
maybe you guys will see something, that connects
http://www.museumplanet.com/location.php/nyc/0

Euhirudinea

You are really arguing with BP, and what he said.

Hi Ren. You’re not entirely clear in your messages above but you seem to be saying that BP has said that “All you need is the image and the verse.” If I have that right, I’m unfamiliar with this statement from BP or the source of it. Is it from an article/interview or can you point me in the right direction as to the source of this statement from BP?
Thank you!

Page 34 covers it pretty well.
“Read the book”…
No venom intended. Just having fun.

BINGO

Page 34 covers it pretty well.
“Read the book”…
No venom intended. Just having fun.

Right. Where it says the pairing of the verse and the image will lead you to a casque (*not all you need is those two things). That is not the question. The question is, are there any other clues in the book, other then verse and image, that would help?
Or are we to assume BP created a published a well written and researched allegory, paid the cost to publish it, with the only intention of distracting us from the puzzle and verse?

Kang

”All you need is the image and the verse.” If I have that right, I’m unfamiliar with this statement from BP or the source of it. Is it from an article/interview or can you point me in the right direction as to the source of this statement from BP?

My response was directed at that statement only.
I wasn’t answering for Renovator nor was I attempting to address any other topic. I simply answered a question that seemed to contain a bit of irony when asked by Kang.

BINGO

Page 34 covers it pretty well.
“Read the book”…
No venom intended. Just having fun.

Touche, BINGO. That was funny. No venom taken. Honest and serious discussion. And an important one I think.
Below is the text from page 34.
It certainly gives the instruction that we are to match an image to a verse.
Can we agree that it does not anywhere say “All you need is an image and an verse?”
It certainly also does not anywhere indicate that image and verse is the
only information
in the book that is either needed or helpful to solving the puzzle.
So any opinion as to what information is helpful/needed or not needed based solely on this page would depend that person’s reading of unstated intentions here. Agreed?
Bottom line for me is – this page does not serve as any evidence that “BP said – All you need is the image and the verse.”
So, if BP actually said that – I’d still like to pose the question as to what the source of this quote is.” In all seriousness. And without malice. Thank you.

Again, I have no intention to speak for Renovator, but his comment also makes me think of the quote from Priess that explained that the rest of the book was unnecessary to solve the puzzles. I believe it was reported by the Cleveland guys after their meeting with Preiss.
I may have it wrong, but I do believe there was much debate over the value of that statement and whether it was purposely misleading or fact.

BINGO

Again, I have no intention to speak for Renovator, but his comment also makes me think of the quote from Priess that explained that the rest of the book was unnecessary to solve the puzzles. I believe it was reported by the Cleveland guys after their meeting with Preiss.
I may have it wrong, but I do believe there was much debate over the value of that statement and whether it was purposely misleading or fact.

I kind of remember something about that but if memory serves me correctly, the text that was said to be nonsense was the guide to the fair people. I am not 100% sure though.
Wasn’t there an interview or article that spoke to how important the immigration story was to BP? Maybe from the podcast?

Egbert

5.  B.Preiss was a very good poker player, and was not giving out any hints about any of the other locations.  However, he did confirm my theory that the countries of origin of the faeries do connect with the sites.  He also said that the pages following the verses (which make up the bulk of the book) have NO connection with the puzzles, and contain no additional clues.

Page 18 of threads.
Thread name: Cleveland
Page 4 in that thread.

BINGO

Page 18 of threads.
Thread name: Cleveland
Page 4 in that thread.

That clears it up nicely, I think.
Gracias BINGO!

Unknown

Unknown:
I just want to make sure that we’re not running down a line that isn’t backed up by a reasonable grounding…

I agree completely. And the most reasonable starting point that I can imagine is that while some of the puzzles are hard, and some are easy, all can be solved using just the Images and the Verses. As they appeared in the original book (although I’m inclined to think that a resonable reproduction works just fine for those of us who don’t own a copy). That’s not just my opinion. It’s BP’s contract with anyone who purchased the book.

I think there is room for consideration that some minor clues may have been lost in the process and a pass was given to the print versions for having good clarity on all major hints and most minor hints. That’s just saying the significant clues are all there.
As for the visual synonym content of window sash and robe sash, I think its foolish to ignore whatever reason it has for being there. It surely wasn’t an accident. I posed just one idea that the name Sasha could be relevant. It’s a popular Russian name. A non name based idea is it functions as a boundary, a frame border for each pane of glass, or it’s a loop that makes a good separation of the lower end upper half of the robe. Could be a reasonable case for focusing on a place where a state line, or property line exists, even the fence line of a park, etc. Sashes are used in military or official uniforms too. I think theres some potential to look deeper into this.

Unknown

Unknown:
I think there is room for consideration that some minor clues may have been lost in the process

Once again, you are making the assumption that BP didn’t know what he was doing. Which I reject categorically. There are no minor clues. Only clues. Find them all, and you may be able to find a casque.

It isnt perfect. Milage may vary. We dont know whether it was a degree of acceptability or not involved in moving the project forward. I’m trying to make it clear that we should not assume too much and we might consider some variability in terms of visual detail, or anything that’s hard to make out. Subjectivity also varies. If it’s good enough detail for just one person to make out, then we are all good, and BP and JJP did know what they were doing. The question is, who is that person?

XeroDM

We’re just not going to decide whether it’s lavender purple or off-lavender purple. I am sure we all agree on that …

XeroDM

As for the image matches, I think it’s more important to have a multiplicity of image and verse matches. Yes, there could be 1000 bowman statues, but if 500 of them had an “L” near them, you could rule out 500 statues, and if 250 had 10×13 near them, you can rule out more, and so on and so forth until you know which bowman statue you’re looking for.. look for supporting other matches, and decrease the importance of anything that isn’t supported by other things.

Thank you XeroDM!
Totally agree here.
Given the flaws that we can’t control, here is an attempt to pose my question in a way that attempts to allow for XeroDM’s optical mixing. Without zooming in, is the color represented here (flawed though it is) closer to Purple or Maroon? My proposal is that it’s clearly closer to Purple. Others are welcome to judge and come to their own conclusion.
That is a common sense approach. And will work if this puzzle works like the solved ones did. However I propose that approach becomes exponentially more difficult given two apparent things:
1. Nothing in Image 12 that are thought to be tangible objects look
exactly like anything
in NYC. Examples include The woman in dress, dress lion, stained glass window a fairly generic clock, etc. The firmest one is SOL face and even that one triggers debate.
2. OR – the other items thought to be tangible objects are so generic their matches are too numerous to count. Tall arch, Tall rectangle, Scottish Lion, purple square, yellow square, arch shaped things, 3 water droplets and colored dots.
Given the vagueness of the verses, it’s the same situation. Endless possibilities for ‘matches.’ Slender paths, arms, hard words, whirring, v’s. No Congress. No L sits. No Socrates, Pindar Apelles.
So any theory location using this approach ends up being something along the lines of: spot or path to spot includes a statue that sorta looks like the woman with arms, droning sounds, a tall arch, a tall rectangle near a stained glass window and a clock that contains roman numerals near a v. Which is fine but ends up being a theory that given those things is more or less no more persuasive than 10 other theories doing the same thing with different objects in 10 other spots.
There’s nothing wrong with trying to work the puzzle that way.
All I’m saying is – is anyone willing to consider that the puzzle may just work differently from that? That there may be meaning in the items JJP put into image 12 beyond just
what they look like
??
Thank you X for your insights and for constructively improving this conversation.

Queens NY flag – note the Blue color…
https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/u/us-ny-q-l.gif

Euhirudinea

… the most reasonable starting point that I can imagine is that while some of the puzzles are hard, and some are easy, all can be solved using just the Images and the Verses. As they appeared in the original book (although I’m inclined to think that a resonable reproduction works just fine for those of us who don’t own a copy). That’s not just my opinion. It’s BP’s contract with anyone who purchased the book.

Agree with you Renovator that it was up to BP to ensure that anyone who bought the book had the information (including information contained in the images as printed) that one would need in order to solve the puzzles. And I for one have confidence that he delivered on that.
However, I disagree that all one needs is image and verse. Can it be done only with those? Certainly. At least for two puzzles for sure. Is it the same for others? As yet to be determined. Is there a difference between what you really
“need”
vs. information elsewhere that might be
“very helpful?”
Possibly. I wouldn’t argue that. Just my opinion.

Kang

XeroDM makes some excellent points. I did not zoom in on the colored square in order to examine microscopic details or find writing.
I was only trying to isolate the colored square – so the the neighboring colors did not distract from the question at hand.
Exactly. Purple is purple. But that’s the problem.
Purple isn’t purple when other people say it’s red or maroon.
Because it’s part of a larger point I’m working my way towards. This particular ‘clue’ if we can call it that is not the be all, end all of solving the puzzle. But it’s illustrative. That this puzzle appears not to work like the solved ones and how this one may be different.
Yes they’re easy to see but LESS likely to yield results. Because they are difficult to understand. And the ‘why’ questions may be most important in doing that. It’s not that there are no image matches to the tall rectangle. Or a stained glass window. Or a purple square. There are too many. It’s like if there were 1000 Bowman statues in Chicago or 1000 Greek Walls in Cleveland. How would any of them with just an image match provide proof you were in the right place? I believe understanding why JJP put these things in the painting is more important than finding a physical object that is a yellow square or a tall rectangle.
You are of course right about all the above things. And there’s nothing we can do about any of those. But if we can agree to set aside the question of why would it be important for a moment, since you seem very knowledgeable about these things – do you have any recommendations for how we can discuss the topic of whether the color is purple or maroon? Or are you saying that it’s 100% not possible because it’s unknowable and therefore moot?
Thank you for your help.

Understandable points all around.
To discus the last point of is it purple or maroon. My point is twofold. 1. We’re just not going to decide whether it’s lavender purple or off-lavender purple. I am sure we all agree on that, and trying to get that one shade is just impossible due to the process of reproductions. 2. Is it maroon, or purple? Due to the process, your best bet is to not stand too close. The process of printing relies on a thing called optical mixing. You will see it in stippled, impressionist paintings. Lots of little dots laid right next to each other. Stand across the room, and you get a great vibrant colour. Single colour. Stand too close, and you get an array of different colours next to each other. The only way to tell what colour a section of the painting is, is to stand back and look at it. Otherwise, all you see is lots of colours, and you can’t tell what singular colour it is. Painters do this, because if you put two contrasting colours next to each other, due to the nature of the colour receptors in the eye (and I won’t go into that) the colours seem more vibrant and alive. If you take those two colours and mix the on the palate, you get a muddy brown. The same process occurs with offset printing where you get all these dots that you see when you zoom in.
So, if you ask me… put the book or image at arms length and see what your mind tells you what colour it is. That’s what is intended by the printers. Digital images are of course, a different kettles of fish.
As for the image matches, I think it’s more important to have a multiplicity of image and verse matches. Yes, there could be 1000 bowman statues, but if 500 of them had an “L” near them, you could rule out 500 statues, and if 250 had 10×13 near them, you can rule out more, and so on and so forth until you know which bowman statue you’re looking for. That’s what I have been doing. Finding as many matches as possible, then look for supporting other matches, and decrease the importance of anything that isn’t supported by other things. I am also shotgunning interpretations, and not trying to rely on one interpretation. Is it a stained-glass window, or is it a colour-blindness test? Or maybe the different shades mean something, or… or… or maybe the colour is important. Who knows? I just want to make sure that we’re not running down a line that isn’t backed up by a reasonable grounding…
Happy hunting!
X

Hi Kang. I would agree that this puzzle could work differently than the others and ‘line by line’ the verses can have a significant amount of interpretations. However, I would argue that the verses do convergence to a single spot when viewed collectively. While I have heard many ideas of the verses discussed here and on the podcast, very few have narrowed it down to a single spot (or perhaps more have and just don’t wish to share it). Regardless, I wouldn’t classify the verses here as “vague” when the ‘whole is greater than the sum of the parts.’ I have looked at theories of Central Park, battery park, Staten Island etc. while they make interesting connections, they fail to connect the entirety of the verse with each individual line.
On a side note, I still can’t believe more people are not looking at south Brooklyn when south of Bedloes Island, Alexander Hamilton and Gershwin are staring you right in the face.

Unknown

Unknown:
Is there a difference between what you really “need” vs. information elsewhere that might be “very helpful?

Fine. Just keep in mind that you are not arguing with me, or anyone who necessarily agrees with me. You are really arguing with BP, and what he said. And while there is ample evidence to suggest that BP was trying to trick us with his choice of words, there is very little evidence that he ever lied outright. And none, to date, to suggest that this “very helpful” information is actually helpful at all.

i always thought the birds beak looke, like seattle seahawks logo

A canceled flight last week left me with an opportunity to spend a day in Manhattan. We made it a “daycation” so I didn’t have much freedom to hunt for casques, but I was able to take a few snapshots of Columbus Circle between bagels and pretzels:
http://kspot.org/trove/columbus.circle.1.jpg
http://kspot.org/trove/columbus.circle.2.jpg
http://kspot.org/trove/columbus.circle.3.jpg
http://kspot.org/trove/columbus.circle.4.jpg
http://kspot.org/trove/columbus.circle.5.jpg

Here is what turtle123456 and I have found so far for P12. I will add to
The Secret Wiki
.
Clock
Eleven O’clock for 11th month November. “Times Square”?
Chysanthemum
Birth flower
for November.
Topaz
Topaz is November
birthstone
and jewel for this picture.
Robe
Face
of
George Washington
. The the nose and the lower lip and chin proportions seem to fit. The farther away you look at it the more the face seems to come out.
Arch Window
Simular to Judson Memorial Church
windows
.
Woman’s Face
Statue of Liberty
face.
Bird
Oversized head. Could be Chrysler Building
Gargoyle
or typical eagles on monuments, consists of a strong eyebrow and large beak.
There are birds mentioned in Verse 6, “Stand and listen to the birds”.
Grey Silhouette
One the Twin Towers?
Towers
could be
seen
through
the arch
down 5th Ave.
Three fields of color
Represents stained glass windows.
Judson Memorial Church
?
Square Panels
Could simply be space filler? Obscured by bird.
Water Droplets
I have no ideas. Could they be used in the final dig spot?
Waves
The water has been used for coordinates. So it already served a purpose. But there is so much more water in the picture.
Domes
Seems to be Byzantine style. Not sure color blue is important. Blue may represent typical mosaics of this style.
Arch Picture Outline
Shape of
Washington Square Arch
? Multiple arches and arch windows in
Judson Memorial Church
?

Posting this here too…
Kind of new to this all, and have been catching up on 30+ years of research, time, and frustration. I’m not trying to reinvent the wheel here or challenge anyone’s theories, but it’s been three decades with no real progress. Could we be thinking about this all wrong? There is no clear verse to image matching pattern. The Preiss girls had conflicting reports about one actually being in NY. I am not convinced of anything until.
Let’s talk.

Image 12 is the Russian puzzle. Talk about that.

erexere

Image 12 is the Russian puzzle. Talk about that.

I completely agree with you and I feel like these forums, and others across the internet lose sight of that. Each image was telling a story of a group of immigrants. If Russia is image 12, then why are we focusing on that? Brighton beach shares more of a similar shape to her dress than most comparisons. Brighton Beach is also one of the highest concentration of Russian’s outside of Russia.
Just want to keep an open mind and look at this all from a different perspective instead of hammering away at linking a verse to this image.

Something in each verse makes sense for each picture. Not much to go on here except a woman in a dress, a bird, some onion domes, a window, some ocean.

After bouncing some stuff off my brain and a couple of other people, I have a good feeling about a couple of things.
If we look at Image 12, the lady is a representation of Lady Liberty. You can also see a partial lion’s face in her dress. When we put the two together, you get
Lion of Liberty
which is a reference to Patrick Henry, who famously said, “Give me Liberty, or Give me Death!”. I went into more detail in the Verse 10 thread, but suffice to say that I believe that the verse:
The natives still speak
Of {him of Hard word in 3 Vols.}
When we read it and study the construction of the sentence, means to substitute
Patrick Henry
in where the brackets are. Now, since the lion’s face is incomplete, so is the name. In Brooklyn, there was a state senator named Patrick Henry McCarren (1849-1909). He was loved by the natives of Brooklyn. There is a park named after him, and a Russian Orthodox Church across the street from his park in the Greenpoint neighborhood.
I still believe that the casque is in Prospect Park, however I think this truly grounds us in Brooklyn. See the Verse 10 thread for more background info.

I’m new to the forum, but I live in NYC and will be happy to visit locations and take pictures! 🙂

I have a whole different outlook on these domes now.  I think when turned upside down, it becomes a map.  I used google maps and looked at Sandy Hook NJ and Breezy Point NY.  They fit nicely with what seems to be land masses jutting out into the ocean and JJP may be simply be confirming the Russian theme.  Between these two land masses is the gateway to NY and the Narrows Inlet.  Again, when turned upside down, Lady Libert’s face becomes a sailboat.  I havent pieced this together yet but I like where it is leading me.
When I was on one of my trains the other day, the car I was in was dedicated to the town of Keansburg NJ.  Keansburg has one of the oldest amusement parks to date, just like Coney Island NY, by Breezy Point, while Keansburg is near Sandy Hook.  The inscription in the train said “Keansburg has a wonderfull panoramic view of the NYC skyline” which I know to be true.  You could see the top of Lady Liberty and the WTC tower from there.  I’m going there to look around next wkend.

in reference to the shrine, I’m not exactly sure what you are talking about that we have all seen.  the statue of the lady?  Would love to see a close up of her before making up my mind.  there are similar statues of ladies all across the us of a.

I think boogie’s point is that
this
lady’s statue is right there, adjacent to Battery Park. I too would like a close-up. Can you go there and take a few zoomed-in pics, boogie?

those are great, cw! found it interesting that on one of the pictures he mentioned the sad look of the face of the eagle.
i’m wondering if her black hair being inside that beige  block means anything, or the brown color of the clock, or maybe even the light blue line that outlines all the blocks.
hopefully knowing the subway lines and colors will not be necessary for the solve at jpj park

slappy links to the tiled/mosaic, train signs
http://www.forgotten-ny.com/SUBWAYS/ori … nal28.html
http://www.forgotten-ny.com/SUBWAYS/ori … inal2.html

Hi folks,
I have a suspition that image 12 refers to Battery Park in NYC and may be linked with verse 10.
(I analysed the pic and came up to battery park, the folks over at the verse 10 section came up with battery park as a possibility, and I said “hey, why not?”)
The eagle looks like the one at the war memorial.
If you turn the image upside-down the red-outlined rectangle becomes the space between two towers (the trade centre that isn’t there any more?)
between the minarettes/ russian dome thingys there is the silhouette of a man
also, when the image is upside-down, the woman’s hair on the side of the russian domes looks vaguely like the sillhouette of a man’s face.
The general outline of the crescent inset is quite similar to a crescent shaped garden at battery park (google maps satelite-hybrid setting).
now for the kicker: 1) copy and paste the image into microsoft paint (found in the accesories section if you’re a windows user), 2) select the “image” menue, and then choose “invert  colors”  3) look at the woman’s robe – there is very clearly the statue of liberty’s eye in one fold and her lips in another.
(also, in part of the tide swirls a low angle image of New york around the brooklyn bridge area, can be seen)
that’s all I got
cheers

corvus, we’ve hashed these points up, down, left, right, and 6 ways from Tuesday. The possible face in the robe has been noted before, but what makes you think it is the face of Lady Liberty? We need convincing.

Well I’m a newbie since Feb. And I’ve had some crazy ideas and been all over trying to think outside the box .frankly this puzzle eventually makes you quite humble .there is always something you havent found .you think you have some intellect ,artistic sense and maybe a little better feel at finding the obscure but you find yourself wrong .as a searcher you evolve into this seek .the veterans already know this and it must be hard to see all the ideas, trolling and digging without proof or at least somewhat concrete proof .Just my 2 cents

Mr merit

Well I’m a newbie since Feb. And I’ve had some crazy ideas and been all over trying to think outside the box .frankly this puzzle eventually makes you quite humble .there is always something you havent found .you think you have some intellect ,artistic sense and maybe a little better feel at finding the obscure but you find yourself wrong .as a searcher you evolve into this seek .the veterans already know this and it must be hard to see all the ideas, trolling and digging without proof or at least somewhat concrete proof .Just my 2 cents

I’ve dug many holes ,but Im not sure I ever took a picture of a single one.

I thought the Cattle Point Light house as a 2 for 1, since the door resembles the left most corner pane and the top looks like one of the 3 spires in the next pane over.
The woman looks like she could be Morning Mist, the name of George Pickett’s American Indian wife, as she floats over the sea-surf like mist.
The Officer’s Quarters house in the fenced in area with an arch that is same proportioned as this whole image also has a flag pole.  It’s columns remind me of the Roman Numeral’s III…
The Orca is a stretch, but hey, it kinda works.  Lots of Orca’s in the waters around San Juan.
The Pickett monument in Richmond, VA looks like one of the spires.  An inlet on San Juan looks like a spire too.
The Pickett monument stone in San Juan on the right illustrates a proportionality that seems consistent with the image layers.  The base block is the height of the water, the next portion aligns with the base of the woman’s feet, and the top portion tapers like the rounded top of the image.
Legend: circle = inlet, diamond = officers quarters, triangle = monument stone, 4-point star = lighthouse

Unknown

Unknown:
“Cathedral of the Resurrection, 228 N 12th St., Brooklyn, (Russian Orthodox Outside Russia)
Dramatic and detailed recreation of a Russian Church, onion domes and all.”
No photo. Argh.

I did find a photo of this church.
http://maniacalrage.net/photos/2004/04/ … dex_13.php

Dante’s Park is an interesting find. I like the 3 volumes. Looking at a map, you are at a “V” intersection, and you can look North toward the aisle of Broadway. Don’t forget, Hard word is capitalized in the Verse, so I think that word has more significance than just appearing in print.

Egbert

Dante’s Park is an interesting find. I like the 3 volumes. Looking at a map, you are at a “V” intersection, and you can look North toward the aisle of Broadway. Don’t forget, Hard word is capitalized in the Verse, so I think that word has more significance than just appearing in print.

I agree, just kind of brainstorming with the “Hard word” thing. That seems like it’s going to be the hardest part of the verse to parse. And it might just be the kind of clue where it’s completely useless until you’re at ground level, see something that reveals a play on words, and say “oh…”
Also: I took a trip out to Staten Island (hadn’t been there in fifteen years!) to take a look at Snug Harbor. I liked the St. George reference in the waves, there’s a music hall there with an arch similar to that on the image, if you look north you can see the isle of Bayonne, and there’s a Hamilton Ave nearby. But I didn’t see anything that fit the other clues and it seemed a little too far off the beaten path to have been a hiding spot. Nice place to visit, though.
BTW, one thing I feel confident in saying as a result of the trip:
if the casque was hidden somewhere near the northeast shore of Staten Island, it’s gone
. The whole area has been or is in the process of being redeveloped and the sheer amount of dirt being moved around means that 1981 reference points, if not the prize itself, have been destroyed.
I have a few more shots in the dark to pursue and will try to update within the next few weeks. Even if I don’t get anywhere I’ll try to take pictures. Maybe they’ll help someone recognize something.

Hi all.
I kind of wish I had never heard about this game, because now I have been obsessively scouring NYC maps for clues. I have read every page of this thread; it’s fascinating the kinds of ideas that people have had over the last decade. I wonder how many of these casques haven’t been dug up accidentally or destroyed.
Anyway, I like your stained glass window find, Egbert. You know, if you walk a few blocks uptown from there you will find:
Dante, of course, may have written the most important three-volume work of Western literature, the Divine Comedy. Early on in which we see:
…Though who knows whether that’s a phrase that’s universal in the translations.
I don’t think that this actually leads anywhere, as if you go 22 steps east there’s nothing but buildings. On the other hand, Lincoln Center is right across the street from this park… so I have to figure around here would be rhapsodic man’s soil, no?
I may visit this area next week to check it out from ground level, though I don’t have high hopes.

Unknown

Unknown:
I think the statue of liberty face is one clue and the body is another.

yes, that is definitely not Lady Liberties garb.  How about this as a possible match?
http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_about/pa … thesda.jpg
I cant find a real good, clear close up but I believe the robe to be quite similar.  Also, read this little blurb about her and see if something stands out:
http://www.centralpark2000.com/database … ntain.html
only problem is, I think it may be illegal to dig in the
park
.

Unknown

Unknown:
I think the statue of liberty face is one clue and the body is another.

yes, that is definitely not Lady Liberties garb.  How about this as a possible match?
http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_about/pa … thesda.jpg
I cant find a real good, clear close up but I believe the robe to be quite similar.  Also, read this little blurb about her and see if something stands out:
http://www.centralpark2000.com/database … ntain.html
only problem is, I think it may be illegal to dig in the park.

Hi all, I am new to this board and am hoping to join in the hunt. I do not have a book yet but it should be arriving soon. In the mean time I came across this site which I thought might help some of you. If you scroll down there is a place to get lots of photos of things in NYC. I do live just outside the city and my Husband works there everyday so if you have any questions I would be more than happy to help.
http://www.vacationidea.com/new_york_ci … lery7.html

There is another new york in Las Vegas:
http://www.wildnatureimages.com/Las%20Vegas%20Strip%203.htm

Ohh, neVar, I think that was great thinking on your part, but I am almost sure that the Vegas NY was not there 20 yrs ago. Can anyone comfirm this?

well, the roller coaster on top of the hotel opened in 1997. I think the hotel opened at that time too.
wilhouse
http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com/co … s/express/

Hello all. Animal painter, you know where this is. So do i. I know the exact v to dig in, just need to figure out twice as many steps. There’s a park between Fort Hamilton HS and the Belt Parkway. From there you can see the clock on the HS. It’s quite shocking when standing there. Who wants to go measure?

The clock is different, but if you are going to paint an image from a picture sent to you, as JJP has done, it’s close enough. IMO. But if you stand below in Shore park looking directly at the clock, from down below, you’ll notice that you are standing on a v. Last time I went there, over a year ago, it was 11am. It gave me the chills. I had no shovel but if I did I would have tore it up.

CW this is what I was onto a while back…I proposed that what people see as stained glass designs, looked more to me like a sidewalk or path design or something in a subway station….also I thought maybe there was a subway connection with blue line.

There’s an East Dr. that goes through the park starting near the entrance. Maybe used for our “east” steps?

Deuce

There’s an East Dr. that goes through the park starting near the entrance. Maybe used for our “east” steps?

was just going to ask where to start,as we can Gman walk park, i wondered from CG and
ended up under bridge LOL
http://goo.gl/maps/UFIKA

?? Is the darker shadow Prospect Park Lake ??

This one is a pretty good match too.  I like how the onion dome in the center has decorative pillars to support it, which is hinted at in the silhouette in the image.
It’s the St. Nicholas Russian Orthodox Church on E 97th.

forest_blight

Nice find boog! It’s the closest match I’ve seen.
This is Sts. Peter and Paul Orthodox Church in Bayonne, New Jersey at 98 W 28th St, Bayonne, NJ.
http://www.oca.org/DIRlisting.asp?SID=9&KEY=OCA-WA-BAYSPP

This is located in NJ which would be south of the Statue of Liberty and behind her.  Slappy, you cannot see it from anywhere unless you are in Bayonne.  I’ve been there a few times.
edit;  I do like that pic of the eagle in Battery park cormac, the side view especially.  Been there with V5 but why not revisit it with V10.  Can pretty much match up the verse already but that “one side of the v” line is killing me.  The isle of B is a tough one as well.

forest_blight

Nice find boog! It’s the closest match I’ve seen.
This is Sts. Peter and Paul Orthodox Church in Bayonne, New Jersey at 98 W 28th St, Bayonne, NJ.
http://www.oca.org/DIRlisting.asp?SID=9&KEY=OCA-WA-BAYSPP

This is located in NJ which would be south of the Statue of Liberty and behind her.  Slappy, you cannot see it from anywhere unless you are in Bayonne.  I’ve been there a few times.
edit;  I do like that pic of the eagle in Battery
park
cormac, the side view especially.  Been there with V5 but why not revisit it with V10.  Can pretty much match up the verse already but that “one side of the v” line is killing me.  The isle of B is a tough one as well.

If you can still consider this for the domes like we have in the past, and i guess you can, than you have everything in the image seen from Battery park.  The Ellis Island domes, the arch from the Verrazano, the Statue of Liberty, the eagle from the memorial, the twin tower, the water, the square clock at the heliport…All we got to do is match it up with verse10.  Easy!!!!  Not.

If you can still consider this for the domes like we have in the past, and i guess you can, than you have everything in the image seen from Battery
park
.  The Ellis Island domes, the arch from the Verrazano, the Statue of Liberty, the eagle from the memorial, the twin tower, the water, the square clock at the heliport…All we got to do is match it up with verse10.  Easy!!!!  Not.

In Image 12 the building is a silouette…
If you squint your eyes to see the picture as a silouette you only see 3 domes against the skyline
the others are hidden by the shape of the building

Either way, the onion-dome building should be a relatively easy landmark to identify for this solution. There aren’t
that
many orthodox churches in the New York area.

I shouldn’t have to explain how an art object can be a point of reference and yet be located elsewhere in a museum.
I’m not making a foolish assertion.  But thank you for the light humor, fox.  But you might consider that Corbett is on the Columbia River and then recognize it’s history and use.
I researched some great stuff yesterday, so let’s actually discuss it for what it is rather than what it’s not.
Washington D.C. is not the same as Washington the State.  The 1929 memorial statue is a valid comparison.  Im not the first person to think the image12 face looks like Lady Liberty and there really is some good NY ideas here.  Are we allowed to consider BP is trying to mislead us?  The idea that I focus on a women’s organization about the involvement of women in our country’s history is worth consideration when looking at a picture that uses a woman as it’s focus.  The similarities are enough to consider.  I’m not claiming to have an exact match.  When we do we are foolishly assuming everything JJP has done must follow the same silly rule, which of course he has not, thankfully we have chicago and Cleveland to show this.
What I have done is located a large rock, classified as a glacial erratic, that was carried by water/ice to the top of a high meadow.  This rock, called Robert’s Rock, has a plaque dedication from
the first chapter
of the Daughters of the American Revolution, which has many chapters in every state, but it’s first organizational meeting actually happened in Washington [State of,
NOT D.C.
].  That match to verse alone might not be convincing, but it does draw some interest.  The memorial for this organizations founders is in D.C. and it happens to have similarities to our character in the image, a woman, white gowned, parted hair, arms extended.  There are also differences, why?  I maintain this is being used as a clever “late morning” (11 o’clock) depiction of Morning Mist, General George Picketts late 2nd wife of Native American decent, note the brownish skin.

erexere

Are we allowed to consider BP is trying to mislead us?

Very possibly.
Incidentally the National Portrait Gallery at the Smithsonian a few blocks away has the photo of “Edwin Booth and daughter Edwina”…
http://npgportraits.si.edu/eMuseumNPG/c … yle=single
The Smithsonian also published “Abroad in America” from where we get Sarmiento and Edwin, to accompany an exhibition of that name.
http://www.ramakrishna.org/sv_sa.htm
(…although I still think this image is NY, which has plenty of white-gowned women of its own…)

I’m not using light humor here.  BP said this is a simple hunt, when no internet existed.  Why would he use 11 easily recognizable cities such as Cleveland, Chicago, etc and 1 unknown town with a population of appx 4,000?
Forgive me for assuming we were discussing DC.  I saw the DAR pic captioned in DC and the Picket Memorial in VA….I just assumed it was Burke, VA which is basically a suburb of DC.
Back to my curiosity:  Now not only are we in a tiny town, but we are using visual confirmers located on the other side of the United States?  I don’t get it

Maybe we all dont interpret simple the same way.  BP was wicked clever.  A visual confirmer or a non visual confirmer is simply information and because of the internet and because of 30 years passing time that information has propagated and perhaps metamophised to an extent by the subjective retelling of history.
So, i dont wish to provoke or argue boldly against anything someone else here is working with.  Please allow me to apologize since i clearly dont understand your refutations or help in this forum.  I have detected some casual humor and maybe i dont understand that either.
I like the NY elements too.  I know Priess said it should’ve all been solved sooner.  He also said NY’s
central
park
wasnt a site.
As for Corbett, I dont hold a narrow view such that select statistics must compare.  Its less than 30 minutes, like a pizza delivery away from Portland Airport.  Portland isnt such a small population center as you must think.
As for NY, I lived there for a couple years, maybe thats the only reason I like that point of view as well.

Maybe we all dont interpret simple the same way.  BP was wicked clever.  A visual confirmer or a non visual confirmer is simply information and because of the internet and because of 30 years passing time that information has propagated and perhaps metamophised to an extent by the subjective retelling of history.
So, i dont wish to provoke or argue boldly against anything someone else here is working with.  Please allow me to apologize since i clearly dont understand your refutations or help in this forum.  I have detected some casual humor and maybe i dont understand that either.
I like the NY elements too.  I know Priess said it should’ve all been solved sooner.  He also said NY’s central park wasnt a site.
As for Corbett, I dont hold a narrow view such that select statistics must compare.  Its less than 30 minutes, like a pizza delivery away from Portland Airport.  Portland isnt such a small population center as you must think.
As for NY, I lived there for a couple years, maybe thats the only reason I like that point of view as well.

Wait, I’m confused.  Now we are in Washington DC for this Image?  :-[
another not exact match but mine is holding a plant  ;D
pretty much a perfect match for the face
another near perfect match
and yet we find ourselves in DC?    ???

decibalnyc

Back on topic….
Do we feel that 421T’s theory holds water or not… there are key visual confirmations there correct? Is it a matter of the right bench or???

421’s Boston theory should be discussed more in the V3/I11 threads. It was nice of him to share it and it helped me see there are other ways of looking/finding a prospective solution.
The only thing I’ve liked in this image 12 discussion is the likeness to the Statue of Liberty. The visual compelling features suggest there’s a window, a clock, maybe a pier clock, a Russian Orthodox church shape and a flying seabird involved. I believe V9 goes with it for a link to San Juan Island in Washington. I’ve manufactured most of my points of interest based on faulty premises. Oddly, that doesn’t cause me to reject the location entirely. The more I read the book and lay attention to some more literal targets, the closer I think I’m getting to a place where I feel confident enough to explore in person or hopefully share with someone who wouldn’t mind taking a closer look.

Xieish

I solved it tonight for sure. It’s gone. I will be posting what I have of the solution eventually. It is conclusive in every way. It’s been a parking lot since at least 1995.
I guess I’ll see if I can still get my gem.

If it’s unrecoverable then no one can steal it from you. If it’s unrecoverable then there’s no way to ever know if you’re correct. EVER. So I don’t understand your reasoning for not sharing. It doesn’t make sense. So I’m gonna go ahead and call bs on this one. But feel free to prove me wrong.

Xieish

That is incorrect. I have the full solve and can point to you where it was and where it should be today.

I will pass on some info that Sir Egg passed to me…These are not easy to find, maybe be a little more humble about your theories. I have devoted the last 5 months of my life reading, researching, walking the verse etc… and compared to what I know now, I didn’t know squat even last month. I was SURE I knew where it was THREE TIMES. I was positive I solved the riddle more than once. If the blisters on my hands from prodding aren’t a reminder of why one should be humble, the weeks of sleepless nights can re-affirm.
I was extremely excited when I found a few clues that had not been discussed on the forums yet, and it is powerful when something finally makes sense, but it’s been 32 years and only 2 have been recovered. All I am saying is… it’s not as easy as it seems, even when you think you are 100% correct on a location…there is a chance (and ask Forest Blight, or Egg, or Siskel) that you will dig a big hole and find nothing. Egg was almost ready to throw in the towel right before the Cleveland find, and I was in the middle of prodding a location when another clue hit me right in the face making me think I was way off.
I’m not trying to discourage you, by all means if you feel you know the location there are steps you can take to recover it, but with the way the federal and state governments usurp power on our rights these days, the harder it is for someone to just go dig it up without repercussions . You need permits and you need to convince people that your idea is worthy of exploring. The ONLY way I am able to do what I am doing is because I tested my belief…I took it to a respected archaeologist with the backing of a museum and a camera crew. Even that wasn’t enough, I chose to contact others who have been on this project longer than me and ask for their help…sharing all my theories with them. If you really believe you know where it is, start taking the steps to recover it…when you start contacting the media, and other professionals about your findings it will certainly test your resolve.
I am fully aware that I could be wrong, and it may be egg on my face (no pun intended B,) but even if I am wrong I will be able to rule out several locations, narrowing the search some, and maybe through that shared knowledge, someone else may be able to solve it one day…but as Egg pointed out, until you are holding a casque, you might be a little more humble about your belief’s.
Most people on this board are here to help and seem to be reasonable, intelligent people. All of us want to know the answers, I personally will be donating my casque to a museum for a display if found, then people can see one up close and learn the story of the find….there is no selfishness in what I hope for with this, all I want to do is solve the puzzle. You might have other ideas, and this is still the land of the somewhat free so that’s fine, but maybe just pull back a little until you have a casque.
Again, no hard feelings and please keep looking, just my 2 cents.
“Don’t we all want what’s best for each other” – Levon Helm

PM me and I’ll tell you if you’re right. I promise there is no doubt. What would it take to convince you?
If you will never stop hunting until your death that’s admirable, but I can’t hand you a casque. It’s under concrete.

My bad,
It was a late night last night and I was in the wrong forum….too much off topic back and forth…I probably put my NY post in the Boston forum also

Xieish,
If it’s under concrete then it’s safe…put your theory out there, and even if it is where you think, there are ways to determine if you are on to something or not based on the image and the verse together. You can also obtain a GPR and penetrate through the concrete to verify. What would you be waiting for…if you feel you are right FIND a way to check…we are treasure hunters are we not?

I know I’m right, I do not need validation. I have my reasons for keeping the solution for now. Mostly that While it seems I’m being some kind of coy dick, I don’t think people would stop looking anyway, and don’t like or want the media
Attention this hunt has gathered.
If Egbert missed the cask in Cleveland and left empty handed would you not consider it solved? I’m curious.
The only thing I can say is that you’ll know when you solve it. Egbert can tell you the feeling – I don’t have a theory for people to dissect, with a few “if you squints,” I know the solution from start to end.

Xieish

If Egbert missed the cask in Cleveland and left empty handed would you not consider it solved? I’m curious.

Well if you read back in the forums, Siskel considered Verse 8 solved at one point even after a casque wasn’t found… I didn’t feel the solution was correct and that led me to find all kinds of other clues in the verse and image…now I feel I am closer to finding that casque…but even with as much confidence I have on solving the verse…I will not be satisfied with it until I can verify it. Even if Siskel & Egbert decided to quit that day, I doubt THEY would have been satisfied either. Any solution is a theory until you are holding the treasure.

Then you see why I don’t post the solution. It’s more about the journey for many, and finding it yourself
Would still feel wonderful, even when it leads you to the same parking lot.
I want to go there even though it’s gone just to walk the riddle and stand approximately where I know one was buried (final markers are all gone now). I can’t go for a while though, hopefully in fall.

Well it’s hard for me to comment on that…it’s like saying I have a time machine but only I can use it. I hope you are right, in the same respect it would be nice to get other opinions.

You don’t want the media coverage? Maybe its late or maybe I am just kind of cranky, but this “coy dick” attitude (and I am trying to use YOUR words here verbatim) seems to bypass pompous and head right towards irritating. The beauty of this site has ALWAYS been that is comes off a true shared endeavor. Most everyone seems to work well and play nice with others and information and theories are routinely shared in an altruistic way that makes this more than one treasure hunter pitted against all others. But this whole back and forth about “You KNOW WHERE IT IS START TO FINISH” and then telling people to private message you and NOT giving anything up other than extolling your own virtues and tooting your own horn, is in stark contradiction to what I have come to enjoy most in reading through the magnificent and varied thoughts of others shared in a communal setting for the good of all those involved. It has long been like one big team, with some having more to say than others, but no opinion ever trashed or treated too harshly. For the good of the site, if you think you have something then go and get it. But for the love of God and the good folks who have been pounding the pavement and digging underneath it for all these years, I urge you to lay off the “I know the answer and you don’t” rhetoric. First time I have ever posted anything even close to negative on this site and its a direct result of your overconfidence that boarders on a sense of hubris you have not earned heretofore. I was there, part of a team that actually UNEARTHED a casque – and there are not a whole lot of us who can actually say that. And I just happened to be the in the right place at the right time, having done a LOT of research compiled with the help of a LOT of good people on this site (and the expertise of my friend Egbert). And I would NEVER take to this board with these sort of know-it-all rants that are being professed. It reminds me of when Daffy Duck is fighting with Bugs about finding the treasure in the cave and the genie shrinks him down to size and Bugs find him in a clam shell hugging a pearl shrieking “Its mine, all mine. You can’t have it. I’m rich. I’m wealthy. Mine, mine mine.” In other words, and tone of emails are REALLY hard to read, I am hoping yours is not meant to be as self important as you sound and that mine is interpreted more as friendly advice to “tone it down a few notches, PLEASE.”

Siskel

It reminds me of when Daffy Duck is fighting with Bugs about finding the treasure in the cave and the genie shrinks him down to size and Bugs find him in a clam shell hugging a pearl shrieking “Its mine, all mine. You can’t have it. I’m rich. I’m wealthy. Mine, mine mine.”

ROFL – That brings me back
Geez…I am old

It’s not self importance – I want to dig up a casque myself and there is always the slimmest slim skin sliiiiiiiiiiiiiim chance I’m off by a few feet & it’s part of the 5×3 patch that isn’t paved. That has to be obvious. Plus absolutely the media thing. Why would I post the solution (again, it’s not a theory – at worst in off by what 10 feet? It’s gone then if I can’t get there) in public?
For what it’s worth I’ve never had particularly good discussion on this board, I don’t have tons of posts, but nobody had ever helped me with my theories. Some people are helpful via PM, but many are non responsive or rude. I’ve posted things and shown up to see evidence of prodding/digging. I’ve always assumed that we all keep our most promising theories either close to the vest, or in small groups. I think it’s a bit haughty to come out here and pretend like this place is a magical fairyland of socialism.Why would I post my theory if I didn’t need feedback on it? Did my solve not take work as well? Does telling me how much work you did diminish mine?
Have you not noticed the uptick in activity here? I am not making up this media thing – there are more people here now than ever before. I liked the idea of this hunt as a group of somewhat weirdos trying to solve an old puzzle, not a Kickstarter and a guy who reads like MensHumor.com making a film. I want a casque on my mantel, that’s my
Only goal.

Well by all means, go get one…no seriously….just get one.

wk

The location is definitely in Prospect Park because the contour lines on this topo map match the swirling water at the bottom of image 12. You need to turn the book clockwise 90 degrees to compare it.
http://bit.ly/1wbTdCj

maltedfalcon

Prospect Park sounds great. How does the verse play out to get you to the dig spot.

Previously I was looking at the water at the bottom of the image…
Now I am turning my attention to the surf part of the waves.
This view of the waterfall shows some hidden paths nearby that might be a possibility.
http://binged.it/1qFIyOp
But more importantly I believe the white spots depicting the surf in the image might be the location of nearby trees. I am basing this theory on the leaflet of Elizabethan Gardens which shows trees that match the stars in image 3.
(13962)

wk

The location is definitely in Prospect
Park
because the contour lines on this topo map match the swirling water at the bottom of image 12. You need to turn the book clockwise 90 degrees to compare it.
http://bit.ly/1wbTdCj

maltedfalcon

Prospect
Park
sounds great. How does the verse play out to get you to the dig spot.

Previously I was looking at the water at the bottom of the image…
Now I am turning my attention to the surf part of the waves.
This view of the waterfall shows some hidden paths nearby that might be a possibility.
http://binged.it/1qFIyOp
But more importantly I believe the white spots depicting the surf in the image might be the location of nearby trees. I am basing this theory on the leaflet of Elizabethan Gardens which shows trees that match the stars in image 3.
(13962)

Back on topic….
Do we feel that 421T’s theory holds water or not… there are key visual confirmations there correct? Is it a matter of the right bench or???

Here’s some shapes to study:
I know I posted an image of the lighthouse door before but I don’t think I cropped it properly so we can see how it completely fits rather than an carefully manipulated cut and paste to muck up interpretation.
This is a vertical inverse exactly as is done in the Cleveland #4 image to match the curved road along the park.  Here it fits the one and only main road along this part of the island and the one and only junction off of it to meet this particular historic site.
Here is a 90 degree rotation, not too bad for 30 years worth of errosion and some road work.  The belt of the sash even holds the same slight angle curve of road.

Virginia Woolfs book To the Lighthouse has three chapters in its table of contents:  The Window, Time Passes, To the Lighthouse.  This image IS a window with panes.  The Window IS the “first chapter”.  The last line of verse 9 is “years pass, rain falls”.  These words do stand out in the book as well.  This is all verY lighthousey.

I just noticed that shape outlined between the seabird’s feet where his legs are tucked together is the shape of Goose Island.  The neckline of the woman is also the basic shape of the roadway where it branches off to the historical Redoubt and American Camp sites.  This is all starting to look very much like the Cleveland solution.  Using maltedfalcon’s approach, I think the iconic feature is the rear view of the Cattle Point Lighthouse with Goose Island in the immediate background, then it’s east along Cattle Point Rd. till you hit Pickett’s Lane (left) and then the next right towards the Redoubt (these two turns match the line between color and shade along the woman’s neckline when turned upside down).  Then there’s the two memorials, fruit trees, narrow arch and flagstaff.  Among all these features, there’s nothing much else to look at, in otherwords, there’s no other choice, just a simple look around a big open prairie and notice there’s just a few prominent features which are perfectly hinted at when switching perspective to verse 9.  Since this leads to an army base with a tall tree, within or behind a picket fence, I think the treasure ground is in a remote spot outside it’s perimeter, near the fruit trees at an intersecting point between “arch and flagpole” and “the Rock” (nickname for Robert’s Rock).  See how the bird is “flying” in the middle of the arch?  Perhaps we need to center our perspective on the flag “flying” in the middle of the picket fence archway.  This actually creates a line that intersects closely with the fruit orchard (bending branches).  I think it should be no problem digging in that area.  I’ll post a map later.

Okay, too excited, I think something I initially hoped wouldn’t matter, but now I’m thinking does factor in and most likely affects other solutions in the same way is that a land mark has been relocated.  The Washington Historical Society placed an obelisk monument in 1904 just a small distance away from Robert’s Rock.  It’s about the same distance the flagpole and picket arch in the camp are separated.  I think it’s original location might affect how we locate the spot in the orchard just north of the Redoubt.  It might not look like much but there are just a small number of trees, I think 4 trees stand symmetrically which is why it was recognized as a remnant to an old orchard farm.  Anyone who knows orchards would see that the trees are all planted in plots, like the “ten by thirteen” of Chicago.

Ahh, discovery.  Too bad, my intersecting lines theory doesn’t pan out.  I discovered the obelisk was located up on the east side edge of the Redoubt fortification wall.  It does not participate in forming an alignment consistent with my theory.  Perhaps the simplest way to look at this is flagpole to arch, center to center directs us to the area where four fruit trees stand.  Dig in the center?  Looks like some luck will be needed unless someone wants to use a hundred feet of string and run it from tree to tree to determine the exact center…or just eyeball it.  I’m thinking Preiss just performed a quick study of the site and planted the casque thinking it was an easy task to navigate to the center of four droplets…

i had an out there idea, which was maybe pic 12 is the
first casque bp buried, since his office is in NY, so
that would be his start point, so i went to look see
and found this church across the street
Serbian Orthodox Cathedral of St. Sava‎
look at pics,b4 and after
http://stsavanyc.org/photo/2006/2006-11 … img57.html
http://www.stsavanyc.org/
Byron Preiss Visual Pub Inc‎
aka
Byron Preiss Multimedia Co., Inc.
24 West 25th Street
New York, NY 10010
in the google map link, click on the pic of truck, if you walk
down to where, the front and back of trucks are that would be west,
and look at building youll see the address on it. if you turn around and look
behind you youll see the church
http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=na … e&resnum=1
i know the spires dont look exactly like pic, maybe the key here is the word
Orthodox, so we would be looking for that
http://stsavanyc.org/photo/2006/2006-11 … img12.html
i know no mosaics, so prob im wrong, but colored
http://stsavanyc.org/photo/2006/2006-11 … img54.html
nice old pic, i dont think its from the 80s though
http://stsavanyc.org/photo/2006/2006-11 … img25.html
at the secret wiki, you can see not really dead on, but close enough
that you know your right
http://thesecret.pbwiki.com/4_site
http://thesecret.pbwiki.com/5_site

Hello everyone!
I learned about this book a short while ago and, being from NY, I got really hooked on trying to decipher the NY painting. A particular place came to mind right away, but it’s a place I am very familiar with, so I thought my brain was just making an easy connection, and so I pushed it aside and concentrated on other ideas. After a few days I decided to give my initial idea some looking into and I was shocked to find pieces fitting. Some so perfectly that they are just right there “in plain sight”. Without any stretching of the imagination. And I was then able to find things that didn’t even seem like clues before. I showed my ideas to a friend who thought I was on to something but wanted to remain skeptical. So he asked me for the NY Verse and with a little digging we made an important connection there, which convinced him we were in the right place. He showed his brother, who is familiar with the area, and right away something looked familiar to him and he was able to make another connection. It’s just a matter now of going and seeing if we can work the Verse out. It may be a few weeks before I do this, as I have a couple of friends that I think would do good with the Verse, I do not think it’s something I can sort out on my own, and I have plans to see them next month.
I’m sure this place gets a lot of posts like this but I did want to share my progress. Some ideas in this thread got me back on the right track. It’s a collaborative effort and I hope I can share my findings soon. Thanks for listening.

It is where I keep seeing everyone mention 74. But the number I see is a 2, not a 7 and in the lighter colored water next to it is a 3. And you can say it is def not, but that doesn’t make it so does it? I’m just looking at the image on the wiki sight.

oops wrong forum subject

def a 74 to me man I dunno.

Just got into this hunt..
I know I’m probably stating the obvious, since all believe image 12 is NYC..
but the Hem of the Garment is Definitely New York Harbor (mirror image) with islands (drops) and all.
check it out!

http://terraserver.microsoft.com/ImageI … =22479&W=1
Notice the lats and longs, east and west, north south.  The 74 couldn’t be more on the spot.
Thinking, 22 steps east from the water, somewhere where there is a whirring sound, and BTW, whirring could
be fishing reels.  Lots of fishing in the summer.  When is the last time anyone casted a rod?  Whirring sound?
Anyway, 22 steps
must
, according to V10, put you on rhapsodic man soil.  But you wouldn’t want
to walk across the Belt Parkway counting steps, cars abound.  So, you start on the east side of the highway, count 22,
and you should be able to look up, and see the middle of one branch of the v.  Turn and face north and WALLAH!  Who knows?
BTW, you can type in any location at the link on top and get all that info on your favorite sites.  One thing I noticed on that page, if you leave your cursor on a grid in the image, it gives you ground coordinates.

fyi. A very large area of land near the lincoln statue in prospect park was dug a month or so ago, with permit, to no avail.

fyi. A very large area of land near the lincoln statue in prospect
park
was dug a month or so ago, with permit, to no avail.

rolenrock

fyi. A very large area of land near the lincoln statue in prospect park was dug a month or so ago, with permit, to no avail.

Where is the proof that the dig happened with a permit?

rolenrock

fyi. A very large area of land near the lincoln statue in prospect
park
was dug a month or so ago, with permit, to no avail.

Where is the proof that the dig happened with a permit?

wrong park anyways.

wrong
park
anyways.

Yes, no more digging for me for a while. When I was there I saw the other group digging too. We all pretended not to notice each other. Quite comical. I think that area is well tilled now. Hahahahahaha

Ok Trohn, you are like a grenade, blowing all my ideas out of the water. LOL  Speaking of water, has your eagle eye found anything in the water on Image12?

Yes, but I can’t place exactly what it is.
Why let good ideas festered that don’t fit into
the time frame.  There are plenty of good ideas
out there, just have to shift through them until
all of the pieces fit.
The water to me hides an image similar to the image of
the old man in image six (bottom left)
I do see the numbers in the water fairly easily.
The lady here will be right on top of the burial location,
I have not in my efforts been able to find an exact match,
but my belief is that she is a cultural representation of
the assumption of Mary – just haven’t found this particular one.
The key I have been working on is the window panes behind her.
I think this area will dicate a map of the region.
Overall, the jewel is on an island.
The island will have a famous view of the mainland with an
appropriately recognizable skyline.
Question, why the double lines below the window lanes?
No grenades here, just more land mines.

Egbert, if you are still around, I have a proposed solution for one of the verses for New York. It is a bit of a stretch and I have to make guesses about the area as I can not find anything to show me a picture of the area. The majority of the solution will have to come from being at the place, but I did come up with a possible starting point.Or if there is anyone else who wants to check out the New York area, I will gladly post my idea in hopes that I may, in some way be right…Thanks to all

it starts today! find the connection….

north star

it starts today! find the connection….

When does it end?
…and what’s with the name change?
CHRYSANTHEMUM: Cheerfulness, optimism, rest, truth. Considered to be a noble flower in Asian culture, mums are used as an object of meditation per a suggestion by Confucius. Also the birthflower for November.
CHRYSANTHEMUM, RED: I love.
CHRYSANTHEMUM, WHITE: Truth, loyal love.
CHRYSANTHEMUM, YELLOW: Slighted love

LADY LIBERTY and a CHRYSANTHEMUM…find the connection? Princess Kikuko?  Not exactly sure where you are headed but Welcome to the hunt.

I want to share something with you.research floating chrysanthemum and the statue of liberty infantry.

Are you talking about the tournament of roses parade?
ck

north star

I want to share something with you.research floating chrysanthemum and the statue of liberty infantry.

WWII and the attack on Okinawa.
Its called the Operation Kikusui or “Floating Chrysanthemum”
using submarines.
I do not see it fitting into this solve… but it was a nice war lesson

research the 77th infantry..where did it come from

Fort Totten NY.  Queens actually.  I was down this road a long time ago with my buddy Keylime.  Got nowhere.
What have you got? (nice try joe)

Every day on my walk to school, I would pass Madison Square Park. One day I actually sat down there. The view from the park is:  on East 23rd Street the Flat Iron Bldg…You can see the Chrysler Bldg, and also the Empire State Bldg.
1.Madison Square Park was home to the Statue of Liberty’s torch for 6 years to attract attention before the statue was completed.
2.The Chrysler Bldg, is obviously dedicated to the automotive industry: cars abound if we’re going with verse 10. (?)
Other info: Madison Ave is bordered by 5th and Madison aves., 23rd and 26th streets. There are many statues in the park..one of senator Conkling who froze to death in 1888.
If we choose Bryant Park as a possible location:
1.The park contains five statues plus the Josephine Shaw Lowell fountain. Built in 1912 and designed by Charles Adams Platt, this was the first monument dedicated to a woman. Lowell (1843-1905) was a pioneering social reformer.
2.On the east side of the park is the 1911 New York Public Library.
3.In 1884 the square was renamed Bryant Park after William Cullen Bryant, a poet and lawyer. He was one of the most influential advocates for abolition of slavery in the United States and one of the forces behind the creation of Central Park.
these are all just thoughts and facts to be considered.

i always thought it was the color blindness test……went into that when i first got into the book…not sure where i posted it..lol, i was getting all of them all mixed up to start with, think i’m getting better.
http://www.toledo-bend.com/colorblind/ishihara.html

Unknown

Unknown:
i always thought it was the color blindness test

Wait… you mean the rest of you can’t see the message “The casque is hidden at the southeast corner of the foot of the Narrows Bridge” hidden in the window? You guys need to get your eyes checked!

i couldn’t stop seeing naked men……….lol  j/k!!!
(like the ink-blot tests)

i know we think “slender path”  is for the  verrazano-narrows bridge but i’d never noticed the resemblance to the image until i saw this picture:
http://flickr.com/photos/wallyg/1530637 … 164131264/

Hey. Doc. Lookin’ forward to your posts later regardless what you find!
Yeah… the message attachment way of embedding a pic in a post doesn’t seem to work. You’ll need to use a third-party image hosting service and then link to the images. For instance, upload your images to MediaFire (free .com website). Once uploaded, grab the image URL and paste it in the text of your post. Be sure to put the tags around the link, though – both open and close! You can do that easily by highlighting only the link and then clicking the “URL” button in the formatting buttons during post edit.
Best of luck!

My cousin will be going to the site tomorrow for recognizance. She will text me some iPhone images.
I have seen several visual confirmers on Google Maps, but their images are copyrighted.
I have given her specific instructions of what I want photographed, and will post some of the images
once I have my own pictures.
It is one (or really 3) of those things that will give you chills, like
“Of course! How could I have been so blind to miss it until now?”
As a teaser, I will give you the 4th clue: On the Secret wiki, Sonoran claims that the bottom of the
flying woman’s robes look like the coast of southern Manhattan.
Google map Manhattan and it just is not true. Now google map Maine and tell me we are not
looking at the northern and eastern border, rotated 180 degrees clockwise.