DocZ,
You have my attention but I respectfully do not see Maine at any angle. Regardless, your certainty intrigues me and I am hoping there is more to go on. Looking forward to your future image postings.

You see no similarity to the bottom left of her dress and an inverted Maine?
Well I just tried to upload an image – but I got an error that the board has reached its attachment limit.
I made the image my Avatar, so you can see what I am talking about, but it had to be scaled to 95 pixels on a side and a file size of 6 MB or less.
You can try to see it, but it is less clear when scaled down.
This does not bode well for all the visual clues I was going to add when my cousin sent them tomorrow.
Any Mods out there who can free up some memory?

Siskel,
They may have refaced and/or changed the hands on that clock tower since 1982.
Did you (From Verse 10) “Take twice as many east steps as the hour
Or more” from the monument?
I’m thinking that you would need to take 22 steps or better east from that monument.
I come up with 22 because of the hour in the pic, 11 o’clock.
I’m wondering where you would wind up.
In the street or (hopefully) somewhere you could dig.

Her forehead also has a similar shape of the Clarence Barrett Triangle.

Glossiphoniidae

When viewing the eagles from the west side of the monument (which was massively run down in the 70’s/80’s –
http://www.grantstomb.org/tdr2.html
) looking east, you would be looking over the cracked ceramic/ceramic bench murals by Antoni Gaudí.
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“Four hundred feet of undulating free-form cement benches… A third of the benches honor the life and interests of Ulysses Grant. Others are known as the Ice, Medieval,
Native American
, Spanish,
Caribbean
, and New York City benches.”

Oh, I see what you mean.  I’m no longer trying to shoehorn every solution into a super precise math and angle kind of method.  I’m sure there is a precision method, but it’s not going to be math.  A rectangle here or there might apply, but given the nature of the verse and image, there is bound to be some very precise perspective, which will be clear when you’re standing at the right spot only.
I’ve produced a lot of crap for folks to sift through or ignore if they prefer, but I should be doing a reevaluation soon and I’ll provide a short summary of what I believe to be keeper ideas.  In the future, the lines I draw are really intended as “stand here and look there” or “here’s a rough path along the streets or through a park”.
I hope folks find they are closer to something fruitful in the coming year.

wouldnt you need to draw the lines to the bottom of the flag pole
the lines you drew would only work for the picture taken from this exact angle.

I’m unsure of what is really expected as a locating method.  I think I have a rough idea laid out, which aims at finding a specific tree.  I have some variables in my graphic which is presented in a standard north as top perspective.  The lines I drew were from the markers themselves.  I like using the flagpole itself as an alignment element.  It still depends on what’s really going on here.  For now, I have used the idea that you walk through the arch (a path perpendicular to the picket fence) until you find a spot that has 90 degrees on the No.12 marker.  That is a spot in the middle of the parade grounds.  It’s out in the open, and inside the fence.  I don’t really like that spot if Preiss was trying to be somewhat sneaky in his burying.  Also, does “behind bending branches / and a picket fence” translate to “behind a picket fence”?  Does behind a fence mean inside or outside the perimeter?

yeah its tough.
In florida I was standing beside the only green picket fence around and I couldnt figure out a verse.
I was just noting that if you were going to draw lines on the image and say look at those and the figure they make.
that if you drew them to the top of the pole, then the lines would “hang” in space change in every picture you took from a different location.
however if you drew to the base of the pole the lines would be fixed along the ground.

erexere

There are no rules, no guidelines, beyond if you come up with a radical idea be prepared to defend it.

Is Fast and Furious involved?

Nice resource on possibly historically relevant matters:
http://www.nps.gov/sajh/parknews/upload … -Color.pdf

erexere

I don’t want to upset anyone if there’s some rule about making certain there is absolutely no underlying connections.  That’s just what I’m wondering…if there is to be a connecting branch of history, then why not look more closely at the prunings?

Totally go for it. There are no rules, no guidelines, beyond if you come up with a radical idea be prepared to defend it. I personnally love to hear new ideas, but I will try very hard to shoot it down.

at this point in time i would have to say that this p does not go to florida. mainly because of the images that scream ny & also because of the near perfect outline of florida in the other p. anything & everything is possible until the treasure is found though.

guys, do you think there is any way this image goes to florida?
just listen, ok?
for one thing, verse 9 (which has to be FOY, with the First Chapter written in water)…….”like moondrops in teardrops”……….look at the teardrops in the image….
and, that could be “29” on her right arm…….
and, um. that’s about all i have because i just now thought of this
[me=slappybuns]dodges the  onslaught[/me]

look at image 12, to the left of Lady Liberty is a picture of a grey rectangle, (grey giant?)

Hi Emily !
Animal Painter, did you see in that article that when she talked about Marine Park, she did this:
img12!!
that was a great article for us!
we’ve mentioned marine park b4 and the street V:
here’s what she said:
.”Then he tells me that George Washington had a mill just over there, and sure enough I can see dark pilings protruding from the iced-over Gerritsen Creek near where Avenue V meets Burnett Street. He says Washington burned down the mill in advance of the invading British…”

doing searches on  marine park….
gerritsen creek named after wolphert gerretse, whose descendents are franklin and teddy roosevelt, and  floyd bennet flew with
Bird
who flew over the pole, and Amelia Earhart (AIR hart) flew from floyd Bennet field and Howard Hughs
one thing, one of
Richard E Birds
planes or ships was called “
The City of New York
“, and with our
bird
(
r. Bird
)(in the image)……….
always wondered what the evil neckromancers (transylvania, romanian, Hungarian?) were for and there is a Gravesend
Neck
Road right between avenue U and V at the salt marsh entrance
Charles Lindbergh
made his famous flight from long island to paris, but not sure yet if it was here at bennett field, but keep finding articles calling him “
the lone Eagle”
and he flew
“The Spirit of St. Louis”
i can’t seem to find where olmsted had anything to do with marine park
(ughhhhh, that big x at the airport reminds me so much of image 9!)

Trying to find the tree in the robe-shoulder-folds…
Looking around JPJ
Park
, I found this tree across the
street from “Jackson Ct.” (Stonewall Jackson…”him of Hard word”)
So we can see signs for Hamilton (Ft. Hamilton Parkway to the right)
and (Stonewall) Jackson within feet of each other.
The tree is now about 30 years older and larger…but has the
same shape.  (I had to flip the image because I could not find
a photo of the tree from the
park
-side.
Taking 22 steps in the East direction from the middle of the branch
of a “v”…which “v”??  Maybe a “v” formed by the obelisk pavement
or foundation.
This possible location does consider the Verrazano Bridge as the “grey giant”,
and looks at the yard
arm
mast as the “arm over the slender path”.
(The yardarm was added to the
park
in 1980.  BP would have heard about it.)
http://www.brooklynrail.org/2003/04/str … er-preview

herman melville wrote moby dick or the whale in 3 volumes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moby-Dick
http://www.melville.org/others.htm
he lived down by battery park:
http://www.hmdb.org/marker.asp?marker=18320
“A man thinks by mouthing hard words he understands hard things”
well, i have too, he’s quoted on at least two of the verses and he lived right there in ny
our bird’s head, lol, j/k…….i think
http://ladderonwheels.blogspot.com/2009 … whale.html

the lone eagle….it looks more like an eagles head and a seagulls body

Look at a recent post on the image 11 thread.  It points to a seabird, onion domes and a Statue of Liberty replica in Seattle.

look at this chapel at greenwood cemetery, brooklyn:
http://www.teachersparadise.com/ency/en … etery.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/peterlaw/1 … otostream/
clock at the cemetery:
http://www.bridgeandtunnelclub.com/bigm … /index.htm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/peterlaw/1 … otostream/
http://www.museumplanet.com/tour.php/nyc/gw/45

First time post, but long time viewer (well at least since September 2018). Attached is a link to our family ‘solve’ for the NY casque (in pdf with all of the clues from the verse and the image that led us to the location). The casque is buried beneath a tree in John J. Carty
Park
in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn (in the literal shadow of the Verrazano Bridge). I am sorry to say that the casque is irretrievable for now because it was buried at the edge of a 2’x2’ tree pit 37 years ago and the tree in that pit has grown so large that its trunk (and roots) now cover the casque site. We dug in January 2019 with NYC Parks Department approval (after a previous dig in a nearby area in the same
park
in September 2018, also with approval), using a certified arborist with an air spade, but we were unable to get beneath the trunk of the tree. We do not have a casque in hand, so we look forward to being challenged. Much of the credit for our solve comes from the lively discussions on Q4T and from some of the clues on the Wiki!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5BB9n … sp=sharing

First time post, but long time viewer (well at least since September 2018). Attached is a link to our family ‘solve’ for the NY casque (in pdf with all of the clues from the verse and the image that led us to the location). The casque is buried beneath a tree in John J. Carty Park in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn (in the literal shadow of the Verrazano Bridge). I am sorry to say that the casque is irretrievable for now because it was buried at the edge of a 2’x2’ tree pit 37 years ago and the tree in that pit has grown so large that its trunk (and roots) now cover the casque site. We dug in January 2019 with NYC Parks Department approval (after a previous dig in a nearby area in the same park in September 2018, also with approval), using a certified arborist with an air spade, but we were unable to get beneath the trunk of the tree. We do not have a casque in hand, so we look forward to being challenged. Much of the credit for our solve comes from the lively discussions on Q4T and from some of the clues on the Wiki!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5BB9n … sp=sharing

I always thought the numbers that you believe are on the clock are actually Palencar’s signature.
Also, a lot of people see very small numbers and letters throughout this image but nobody ever discusses the large UN. What could we possibly match the letters UN to that is unique to NYC?

You guys talking about NY and NJ may want to take a look at these pics first.  They were found by Pine Tree, if I recall.
http://www.holyres.org/eng.htm
Go to “Photo Albums” “Sobor Views”
Also go to “Church History” “The construction of the new Church” and “External Views of the present Church”
My money is on Vancouver for this treasure.  I can’t find any other good pics of this church.
Also, Verse 10:  “Him of Hard word in 3 Vols.” has got to be the Harding Memorial.  It even has the bird in Image 12 (though not an exact match, I admit).
Look at #38-40.
http://www.seestanleypark.com/statplaq/page9bstat&plaq.htm
http://collections.ic.gc.ca/sva/bc/van_01/pg_14e.htm
http://collections.ic.gc.ca/sva/bc/van_01/pg_12e.htm
I have searched high and low for a rear view of the Harding Memorial, but I have not found one.  I would love to see if his words are on 3 tablets rather than just 2.  I have seen a close up pic of a lion’s face on the rear of the memorial, but there is no large pic of what else is back there.
The Grey Giant?
http://www.trailcanada.com/photos/photos-bc-17-08.asp
The arm that extends over the slender path?  Look at #33-34.
http://www.seestanleypark.com/statplaq/page9bstat&plaq.htm
Or perhaps Pic #1.
http://www.seestanleypark.com/statplaq/page9astat&plaq.htm
I am hoping that this will attract some interest in Vancouver again, and perhaps we can do some deeper digging.  I think we have found that nearly every Image has some geographic outline.  Perhaps those lines in the water in Image 12 is an outline of Vancouver or Stanley Park.
I am also posting this in the Verse 10 thread, so we can have a summary of the Vancouver findings.

Egg, I take it that you do not see the outline of Northern NJ in the image12 hair. I can’t say I blame you.
http://www.freewebs.com/patcash/pics.htm
It’s was hard for me to believe at first, but I feel confident. The stand out things in 12 seem obvious to me now but there’s so much more in the pic to decipher before it really gets nailed.  Pretty tough without lats. and longs.  What else makes you think Vancouver?

Here’s a web site on Historic paulus Hook in Jersey City.
http://www.paulushook.org/
It contains the church posted and it’s where St peter’s Prep School is located.  Their school colors, maroon and cream!
It has a small park contained within and has a great view of NYC and the harbor. It’s just north of Liberty State Park. One block from Washington Street.
Here’s an interesting piece about immagrants coming to Paulus Hook.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= … D%26sa%3DN
After the snow thaws, I’ll go down there, next week sometime.

Now this seems promising indeed.  Washington Square Park.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Square_Park
Hope you can take lots of pix of your visit to the park boogieman.  We still dont have a V for this P do we?  Let’s find this one…

A detail from the Arch in Washington Square Park:

fox

We still dont have a V for this P do we?  Let’s find this one…

Banking on V5 for this one.  Think it’s in NJ, somewhere in that harbor.

This picture shows a beautiful v-shaped sidewalk
in Owl Head Park, but I do not know exactly where it is
in the park.
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/10825598

This picture shows a beautiful v-shaped sidewalk
in Owl Head
Park
, but I do not know exactly where it is
in the
park
.
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/10825598

how about this for “root”, ———–william “root” bliss————–we can’t get a break
http://books.google.com/books?id=0V1IAA … ny&f=false
oh which reminds me, brooklyn stands for “broken land” that might be why the arch is broken between the wings
also, in the evil neckromancers it mentions life of “bliss” and  ” future “bliss”, but it also mentions valentinii (valentino park?(think it’s too new) and kitchens (coffey park) and soldiers and sailors and nosferatu (which leads to transylvania, romania, hungary, maygars (louis kossuth, riverside park)  :)…………….and it talks about jealousy……….harry thaw and stanford white and evelyn nesbitt?
loopholes………….gaps in the wall ………….taxes? hamilton custom house…wall street……or a tunnel
stanford white designed the prison ship sailors monument in fort greene park (and the visitor center)….but he was killed at madison square garden, and its by washington street
law of Moses–the Pentateuch, containing the Mosaic dispensations, or system of rules and ordinances, and forming the
first of the three
Jewish divisions of the Old Testament.
sure would be nice if we could find tchaikovsky somewhere what with “nutcracker” for hard word and domino sugar for the sugar plum fairy

how about this for “root”, ———–william “root” bliss————–we can’t get a break
http://books.google.com/books?id=0V1IAA … ny&f=false
oh which reminds me, brooklyn stands for “broken land” that might be why the arch is broken between the wings
also, in the evil neckromancers it mentions life of “bliss” and  ” future “bliss”, but it also mentions valentinii (valentino
park
?(think it’s too new) and kitchens (coffey
park
) and soldiers and sailors and nosferatu (which leads to transylvania, romania, hungary, maygars (louis kossuth, riverside
park
)  :)…………….and it talks about jealousy……….harry thaw and stanford white and evelyn nesbitt?
loopholes………….gaps in the wall ………….taxes? hamilton custom house…wall street……or a tunnel
stanford white designed the prison ship sailors monument in fort greene
park
(and the visitor center)….but he was killed at madison square garden, and its by washington street
law of Moses–the Pentateuch, containing the Mosaic dispensations, or system of rules and ordinances, and forming the
first of the three
Jewish divisions of the Old Testament.
sure would be nice if we could find tchaikovsky somewhere what with “nutcracker” for hard word and domino sugar for the sugar plum fairy

Unknown

Unknown:
forest and boogie! are you guys listening??

Always, slappy. You are a source of infinite amusement.

animal painter

This picture shows a beautiful v-shaped sidewalk in Owl Head Park, but I do not know exactly where it is in the park.

Cheers AP. Here’s another image from the same collection. I suppose the “glass bauble” texture might be a representation of the ground surface somewhere.
I was curious as to whether there were any plane trees in OHP. I expect there are, as they’re apparently common in Brooklyn. The tree on the right is a plane tree. The one on the left from the park pic looks quite similar.
Also wondered about this element as an indication of the “roots”; three roots with the tree above…
(With a bit of imagination you can see an “O” and an “H” on the trunk.)
I’ve only just cottoned on to the idea of using Youtube to look at locations. For instance, there’s an amateur short movie called “Destiny’s Child” that was filmed at OHP.
http://www.destinyschildmovie.com/

animal painter

This picture shows a beautiful v-shaped sidewalk in Owl Head
Park
, but I do not know exactly where it is in the
park
.

Cheers AP. Here’s another image from the same collection. I suppose the “glass bauble” texture might be a representation of the ground surface somewhere.
I was curious as to whether there were any plane trees in OHP. I expect there are, as they’re apparently common in Brooklyn. The tree on the right is a plane tree. The one on the left from the
park
pic looks quite similar.
Also wondered about this element as an indication of the “roots”; three roots with the tree above…
(With a bit of imagination you can see an “O” and an “H” on the trunk.)
I’ve only just cottoned on to the idea of using Youtube to look at locations. For instance, there’s an amateur short movie called “Destiny’s Child” that was filmed at OHP.
http://www.destinyschildmovie.com/

I’ve put together a PDF summarising my solution for image 12…
http://www.lemontiger.co.uk/images/misc … ytrail.pdf
I really think this is the spot. So frustrating that boogieman gave up the challenge.  :bang)
Before, I didn’t understand: “twice as many east steps as the hour or more from the middle of one branch of the V”. I think it’s like this.
Take twice as many east steps as the hour
Or more
From the middle of one branch
Of the v
Look down
And see simple roots
In rhapsodic man’s soil
If you take 22 east steps from the casque site, then you reach the middle of one branch of the V, and
from there you can look down and see simple roots – grass.
The “rhapsodic man” is George Gershwin of Rhapsody in Blue, who was raised here in Brooklyn. (Also note that his family was Russian, and this is the Russian image.)
Or gaze north
Toward the isle of B.
Or instead, you could gaze north from the casque site, and see the “isle of B”. This is Bedloe’s island,
the old name for Liberty Island. You can look north and see the statue from here.
Sure it’s convoluted. But then we all know it’s no wonder no-one has solved it in 30 years.

Since only BP had/knew the solutions, what is getting the photographer or sculptress to look at your site, going to do for you?

I’m still here rabbit.  I’ll tell you what, after checking out your PDF, I got interested again.  My problem is time.  My kids were all under 10 when this started and now they are teenagers and I coach all three in their sports which is year round now.  I promise that in the near future I will go there and DIG!  I could use another set if eyes with me.  My family just laughs at me now.  Lol. Maybe Fix can take another trip up…….thanks for keeping up with this.

Ha.  Didn’t have iPhones when I started this either.  I would have quit a lot sooner if they did.  Lol. I meant to say Fox, not fix.

Hey Boogie, good to see you still hanging around this crazy forum! MF, just reaching out for possible interested NY contacts.

could it be portraying “atlas” with the “world” on his shoulders?
and what does everyone think with the buffalo on the right side of the wave in the image……………………….

If the negative space were important, it would be highly coincidental that the remaining area strongly resembles a Kremlin-like building. There must be thousands (hundreds?) of buildings in the country with cupolas / minarets like these. I’m also going on JJP’s habit of inserting actual buildings into his paintings, for example the Cleveland and Chicago finds, and the building identified as standing in Milwaukee. I think this panel may be the key to Image 12.

I don’t know if this is relevant, but I found these images on the side of Booth Theater. Which is in Manhattan and right on 8th ave pretty much, named after Edwin Booth. I haven’t read anything where the theater was mentioned.
Sorry for the quality of the image…they are the best I could find, but they look very similar to the woman in P12.

wk

Another confirmer for Prospect Park. This yellow dotted line follows the light contrast on the dress and indicates a direction from the west entrance to the Lookout Hill.
The more I look at this image, the more I am impressed that the artist achieved the task of depicting a map of the park as a work of art.
Do you think he knew about this hill?

Where the yellow dotted line meets the red outline of the park in the middle of the waist belt is the entrance to the park.

wk

Another confirmer for Prospect
Park
. This yellow dotted line follows the light contrast on the dress and indicates a direction from the west entrance to the Lookout Hill.
The more I look at this image, the more I am impressed that the artist achieved the task of depicting a map of the
park
as a work of art.
Do you think he knew about this hill?

Where the yellow dotted line meets the red outline of the
park
in the middle of the waist belt is the entrance to the
park
.

PT – you could be right about the silhouette being merely a reference to Russia. I still believe it’s a real building, but I would be happy to be proved wrong, particularly if it results in the discovery of a certain casque.
Another thing to consider is that, if the silhouette ISN’T of a real building, then we’re almost completely clueless about what to do with this image. It seems to me that we have a direction to go if we think of it as real, but we don’t if it’s just a reference to the litany.

Shecrab pointed out that Geese honk, not bugles.  I really like the way that works with the line “I can still hear the honking”.  It gives me the idea that it might be “I can still see Goose Island” when standing at the casque site.  I expect someone will say its free association to get Goose Island from ‘honking’…but what else is there given the situation?  San Juan Island is a very simple landscape without many distinct place names or structures.  The lighthouse edifice is a good stand out.  I think Shecrab is right on the money with the Goose reference.
The green box is the location of the American Camp, the yellow box looks similar to one of the shapes in the spires on the window of image 12, the blue box is the area where the cattle point light house is located, and the “A” is the location of Goose Island, a sizable island right off the east coast of San Juan Island.  The lighthouse has a door and wall that really is a spot on match to this other panel in the window.
Btw, reevaluating some I believe there are five or six good possible casque locations in SJI.  A closer perspective will be needed.

Over in the what’s been found thread, Pine hypothesises that Image 12 might be Vancouver.
Poking around, I found a russian artist who lived in vancouver in 1982 and painted some there.
take a look at picture 4, at both the russian looking building and the tall rectangular one. the question is, is this vancouver or russia?
wilhouse
http://www.curios-city.com/list.asp?var … 20Khazanov
another 1982 shot
http://www.rcw.bc.ca/Photo/Van.htm

I found this collection of photos of Statue of Liberty replica’s, labeled according to city.  There are many:
troop101.thescouts.com/liberty/

maltedfalcon

Somehow colored filters and 3d glasses and connect the dots don’t seem to me to rise to “That’s really difficult”

No, of course not. Especially when you compare the method to, “hey, those are the exact same columns and wall in the image!!!” Using multiple color filters to manipulate the dot configuration is like way easy, compared to that.

maltedfalcon

So to be clear JJP has indicated that no data was lost in the printing

Can you expand upon this, please? Regardless of if we agree with what would be considered difficult, this is interesting.

Yes. I definitely see it there. This may have been JJP’s attempt at steganography. I could see him putting lighter colored dots to spell out 85 st. then concealing them with various shades of slightly different colors that surround them. I am actually not a huge fan of hidden images in these paintings (like Lincoln in SF for example). This one actually makes sense though given the attention to detail JJP put in creating all these dots and the fact there have been little meaning given to them thus far.
Not sure about the other panels because there doesn’t seem to be as much color variation as this one.
And the fact that you arrived at independently as we looking in this area in southwest Brooklyn makes it a very significant find in my opinion.

Unknown

Unknown:
Can you expand upon this, please?

I’ll take a shot.
Having access to the original painting (and what he was told by BP when he made it), and having access to the re-print in the book, JJP has concluded that one can still deduce the information that those panels were meant to convey, if any. So, as an example, that information may depend more on the size and placement of the individual dots than on their color. Or perhaps it’s a conceptual thing (the dots and what they represent) more than an actual clue that you can see under the right conditions and with the correct filters. One would think, as a practical matter, that if this wasn’t the case BP would have made the necessary changes before the book went to print. But of course, that assumes that BP actually cared about the puzzle he created.

Euhirudinea

I’ll take a shot.

I understood the statement. I missed when and where JJP indicated that no data was lost in printing.

GoldenMartyr

I understood the statement. I missed when and where JJP indicated that no data was lost in printing.

Does this mean there is a group of beautifuller people amongst the group of beautiful people?

BINGO

Does this mean there is a group of beautifuller people amongst the group of beautiful people?

Nah, you are confused. Just trying to validate the comment.

Unknown

Unknown:
Just trying to validate the comment.

Good luck with that. JJP isn’t talking. Whomever he told directly isn’t talking. And Matt, who presumably got the information secondhand didn’t say either. Honestly, my speculation above is probably more reliable.

Euhirudinea

Good luck with that. JJP isn’t talking. Whomever he told directly isn’t talking. And Matt, who presumably got the information secondhand didn’t say either. Honestly, my speculation above is probably more reliable.

K, thanks.

GoldenMartyr

Nah, you are confused. Just trying to validate the comment.

Not confused, just poking fun at a user who I think has the ability to handle a little light-hearted ball kick every so often.

Got ball fetish BINGO?!

So to be clear JJP has indicated that no data was lost in the printing
(this was one of my pet theories)
So whatever the data that was hidden in there it is there.
it is just really difficult to “unencrypt”
Somehow colored filters and 3d glasses and connect the dots don’t seem to me to rise to “That’s really difficult”

I think there are 3 levels of difficulties, perhaps related to the verse line 3 Hardness levels/volumes.
Red panel is the easiest since it has the least amount of dots and the most color variety.
The purple one, second hardest and the blue one the hardest.

GoldenMartyr

Can you expand upon this, please? Regardless of if we agree with what would be considered difficult, this is interesting.

yes- I made it a point of saying in the process of printing data/colors were lost that made the bubbles impossible to solve so why bother.
I was told JJP said nothing was lost in the printing. I am not sure if this was in an EU outtake or from Podcast research, and at this point I am not sure who told me this.
it was during prep for a podcast.

Euhirudinea

…Having access to the original painting (and what he was told by BP when he made it), and having access to the re-print in the book, JJP has concluded that one can still deduce the information that those panels were meant to convey, if any…

maltedfalcon

yes- I made it a point of saying in the process of printing data/colors were lost that made the bubbles impossible to solve so why bother.
I was told JJP said nothing was lost in the printing.

MaltedFalcon and Renovator – just to clarify as to make sure there are no misunderstandings – Ren when you use the word “re-print” I assume you’re referring to when the original paintings were re-printed
into
the
ORIGINAL printing
of the book (1982). And Falcon – I assume you’re referring to same?
(And that neither of you are referring to the images in the re-print OF the book (2015). Can you confirm my assumptions (just so no one misunderstands)?

hmmm, i just saw lefferts homestead, and i wonder if that’s why i remember “laffer’s curve”
in my defense, i feel strongly BP played with words.
here’s another clock, i think it’s on the SE side of the park: (bottom of the page)
http://www.forgotten-ny.com/SUBWAYS/Fra … nklin.html
this one you have to scroll down a bit
http://www.planetplg.com/3b2b.htm
the bond bread clock tower

Another thing popped into my head!
The horse/Pegasus looking thing present in the seagle.
Pegasus was fathered by Poseidon, god of the sea.
Connection to the Chrysler building?
Chrysaor was the brother of the winged horse Pegasus and son of Poseidon and the Gorgon Medusa. When Medusa was decapitated by Perseus, both Chrysaor and Pegasus were born at the same time. Little is known about Chrysaor; he was considered a stout-hearted warrior, and his name means “he who bears a golden sword”.

Durian

The Romanov coat of arms is really intriguing, with the same blue color and the tri-pattern. Do you have any thoughts on how the Romanov family might be a clue for something? Or point in a particular direction?

Symbols of Russia and JJP’s design and color choices – Part II (B)
See Part I here:
http://quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=754&start=1320#p154801
See Part II (A) here:
http://quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=754&p=154835#p154824
More symbols of Russia.
The colors Purple, Green and Gold are associated with Moscow/Russia and are the Romanov family colors.
Moscow coat of arms. Includes Purple, Green and Gold. (And that blue from the domes again).
Wait, aren’t those the same as Mardi Gras colors? Yup – and there’s a reason for that. They were made the official colors to honor a Romanov prince who visited during the festival.
https://www.mardigrasneworleans.com/history/
That’s why I believe JJP used these (disguised) colors in Image 12. Because they are a symbol of Russia and the Romanovs.
The two squares. Purple and a light goldenrod. And the green dots/bubbles next to it.
Green? Those are not green!
Here me out. Take a look at Image 7. It should by all rights have purple, gold and green. First two – check. Green?
The squares at the top of the image are a light shade of green/teal.
He uses the SAME EXACT color in that bubble panel in image 12. Take a look.
So I propose those colors in Image 12 are purple, green/teal and a pale, pale gold. A Russian clue.
Others may not like it and that is fine. But I would say – it’s a puzzle people. It’s not supposed to be obvious. They are hiding the clues.
Are the coordinates in the the images in a regular, standard type-face font? No, they’re hidden as hell. Hard to find. The clues are not easy.
If JJP wanted the clues to be easy – he could have used the colors below for both paintings and people would have figured it out real quick.
Give these interpretations a chance. Think differently. That’s all I’m asking.

NYCNative

It just makes so much sense! Praise be!

LOL. Phenomenal pic.

BINGO

It might be time for us all to zoom out a little and get another look at what we are missing.

When I zoom out all I see is 3 blue balls.

NYCNative

It just makes so much sense! Praise be!

Isn’t that the church of the Fonz?

BINGO

A true solution doesn’t consist of a neat little pdf file with pictures of landmarks and literary quotes that someone has force fit into a path that leads to a clearly premeditated location. Even then, assuming the solved location is correct, most of those locations never clearly pinpoint a clear spot to dig. It’s always some vaguely described tree or light post or lion statue.
The Chicago and Cleveland scavenger hunt doesn’t seem to work, the finding of image matches and verse interpretations isn’t working very well either.
Any chance we are so focused on the little details that we are blinded by the real solution staring us in the face? It might be time for us all to zoom out a little and get another look at what we are missing.

All the mud slinging back and forth sort of buried what I believe are very wise words from BINGO here, people.
I cannot recommend this approach more strongly. (emphasis mine).
I have dug up zero casques. But I have an interpretation of this puzzle that is very different from how Cleveland and Chicago worked. It’s well outside of the box of accepted workings of the puzzle. Am I onto something or just another loon with a crazy theory or two? Jury’s still out would be the kind way of putting it. Others would say lunatic until proven correct. No matter.
But for what my opinion is worth, BINGO is entirely correct. Lots of folks are offering up proposed
answers
to who, what and where questions here. And that is natural. But is like throwing a dart and hoping it lands at the dig spot.
I would recommend that is not all that productive until you start
asking
the important questions. And those all start with the word – “Why……..?”

Agreed. More attention needs to be paid to verse. I think that Cleveland and Chicago may have set this hunt back. People relying too heavily on image for confirmers. I would argue those were two of the ‘easier’ (hate to use that word) puzzles because there were so many non-ambiguous confirmers in the painting. Just my two cents.

Symbols of Russia and JJP’s design and color choices – Part II (A)
See Part I here:
http://quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=754&start=1320#p154801
Someone asked a question the other day about the “maroon” square. It has often been referred to as such, by many people.
I don’t agree that it is maroon at all. I don’t believe there is a ‘standard’ for color codes or naming. But colors used in web design are a good start.
https://www.rapidtables.com/web/color/maroon-color.html
https://www.rapidtables.com/web/color/purple-color.html
So is the color closer to maroon or purple??
Before you answer, think about this.
Mardi Gras colors are Purple, Green and Gold. Without question.
So in Image 7 –
Are JJP’s squares maroon? Or are they purple?
Keeping in mind that this is a puzzle and that clues are hidden rather than hit you over the head obvious – I believe that JJP’s choices and use of colors may be clues to certain things. More to come in Part II (B).

Was someone’s posts removed? Pages look out of whack.
I think these puzzles have been over-analyzed to death. How about the old fashioned way of finding image matches and connecting the dots?
Here are a couple of possible matches:
The ship bows on Columbus Circle look like the seagle or eagull feet. There are 3 to the E and 3 to the W.
Also the bow of the USS Main looks like the eagull’s wing.
https://tinyurl.com/y5eza2x8
https://tinyurl.com/yxdqzp43

davinci4

Agreed. More attention needs to be paid to verse. I think that Cleveland and Chicago may have set this hunt back. People relying too heavily on image for confirmers. I would argue those were two of the ‘easier’ (hate to use that word) puzzles because there were so many non-ambiguous confirmers in the painting. Just my two cents.

I believe Kang would argue that that is not the point. It’s not that we should use more verse and less image, it’s that maybe we should use the image in a different way.

Kang

So is the color closer to maroon or purple??

My only concern with color things is the printing process. We’ve seen that Image 9 turned more of a mustard brownish than the vibrant gold that it was originally. That would indicate that this square might actually be more of a brighter magenta IRL, and would certainly take it away from the Purple end of your argument.
That being said, I like what you’re saying and do think it’s worth some hive mind investigation.

Choice

Was someone’s posts removed? Pages look out of whack.
I think these puzzles have been over-analyzed to death. How about the old fashioned way of finding image matches and connecting the dots?
Here are a couple of possible matches:
The ship bows on Columbus Circle look like the seagle or eagull feet. There are 3 to the E and 3 to the W.
Also the bow of the USS Main looks like the eagull’s wing.
https://tinyurl.com/y5eza2x8
https://tinyurl.com/yxdqzp43

phrabbott

My only concern with color things is the printing process. We’ve seen that Image 9 turned more of a mustard brownish than the vibrant gold that it was originally. That would indicate that this square might actually be more of a brighter magenta IRL, and would certainly take it away from the Purple end of your argument.
That being said, I like what you’re saying and do think it’s worth some hive mind investigation.

Ah, but that’s why I included the Image 7 comparison. As long as you think I7 is NOLA, the colors there are supposed to be purple. Right? Not magenta or Maroon.
It is reasonable to assume that whatever color deviations happened in the printing process happened to all images, not just one.
If that is the case what you propose above should have happened with both. So JJP’s “original painting” color for both 7 & 12 started as a form or purple or a form of maroon/magenta. And based on NOLA/Mardi Gras, maroon/magenta don’t make any sense (to me).

NYCNative

There’s no point arguing with an angry nothingburger.

Choice

I think these puzzles have been over-analyzed to death. How about the old fashioned way of finding image matches and connecting the dots?
…the bow of the USS Main looks like the eagull’s wing.

Choice

I think these puzzles have been over-analyzed to death. How about the old fashioned way of finding image matches and connecting the dots?

Not sure I believe I’m actually going to say this out loud.
Choice and I actually agree on something in Image 12.
Well, sorta.
Yes, I believe that part of the bird’s wing may well have been inspired by the USS Maine monument at Columbus Circle.
And maybe a few other parts of the bird.
However, I also believe that if you don’t know the answers to the “why” questions…
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/a1a2ca7e-9c84-4036-9288-120d94acac7c
Because if one tries to solve this the “old fashioned way” like Cleveland/Chicago – I”m pretty sure that’s going to work…

Check this out.  Step back from the screen and you’ll see it.  It’s either the # 51 or letters SI

I see a 15 pretty clearly–
but and I hesitate to say this becuase Im one of the ones that think this is actually Washington State.
but doesnt the one in her right armpit look sort of Empire State Buildingish?

Here’s a map/image correlation the way I see it.
Note the shape of Carl Schurz park and location.
Also Roosevelt Island just off shore.

Wailing Wall

Star of David

The ONLY circle of stones..eleven..with a colored one (number 12) the 12 tribes of Israel.

Unknown

Unknown:
pretty colors

JUD SUB ROSA…

Choice

(I’m stealing Choice’s image because it was close by…)
Have we been looking for the 3 domes the wrong way around.
I mean, LITERALLY the wrong way around???
Cleveland puzzle had a building hidden in the trees… upside down.
Has anyone flipped the image upside down and looked at the dome image? It looks a lot like a couple of peninsulas or inlets. Why are the domes blue? We’ve been asking… well, maybe the blue is water, not domes…
This is the point where someone jumps in and says a hunter thought of this about a year back, and you all realise how lazy I am with back-reading the forum posts!
On another note, I have been thinking about this puzzle from the perspective that we need to change the perspective of viewing of the image. We may need to view the dress from a steep angle from the bottom (or top) of the page. When you do this, there seems to be text in the folds of the dress. (If you’re working digitally, you can run it through photoshop to emulate the compressed and perspective changes that you would get by tilting the book… and yeah, I know I am anti-photoshop when it comes to these puzzles, but it is reproducing something that can be done physically and simply!) Also, the water below the wave could be viewed with a mirror with a tight curve on it (about the same diameter as a tinfoil tube) to undo a possible anamorphosis. There seems to be some text there too. I can’t work what words are there, but there’s definitely letters in those areas. Maybe this image is more about how you view it, rather than what you simply see…
X

XeroDM

(I’m stealing Choice’s image because it was close by…)
Have we been looking for the 3 domes the wrong way around.
I mean, LITERALLY the wrong way around???
Cleveland puzzle had a building hidden in the trees… upside down.
Has anyone flipped the image upside down and looked at the dome image? It looks a lot like a couple of peninsulas or inlets. Why are the domes blue? We’ve been asking… well, maybe the blue is water, not domes…
This is the point where someone jumps in and says a hunter thought of this about a year back, and you all realise how lazy I am with back-reading the forum posts!
On another note, I have been thinking about this puzzle from the perspective that we need to change the perspective of viewing of the image. We may need to view the dress from a steep angle from the bottom (or top) of the page. When you do this, there seems to be text in the folds of the dress. (If you’re working digitally, you can run it through photoshop to emulate the compressed and perspective changes that you would get by tilting the book… and yeah, I know I am anti-photoshop when it comes to these puzzles, but it is reproducing something that can be done physically and simply!) Also, the water below the wave could be viewed with a mirror with a tight curve on it (about the same diameter as a tinfoil tube) to undo a possible anamorphosis. There seems to be some text there too. I can’t work what words are there, but there’s definitely letters in those areas. Maybe this image is more about how you view it, rather than what you simply see…
X

I think Forest_Blight did some interesting manipulations (or at least was privy to them) years ago. Basically doing what you’ve proposed and flattening the stretched out look, not unlike the old MAD or other magazine images that you could adjust with a mirror. This seems fair game to me.
I believe there was a 74 and 41 in the water swirls, and possibly a few other things.

The area between the two domes has resemblance to the east river side of Manhattan, my area of interest. I proposed that a while back and met a lot of resistance.
Nyet, nyet to be exact!

Jewel: Topaz
Fair Folk: Russian (Rus-alki)
Likeness of the Statue of Liberty in NY: check
Shape detail similar to Manhatten, NY: check
Interestingly a Statue of Liberty is located in Alki Point, WA (Seattle). A year or two prior to the City being called Seattle the name claim on the land was a competition between “Duwamps” and “New York Alki”.
I continue to like the “Alki” and “Rusalki” connection and the proximity to Russia that the Seattle area represent.

Possibly a couple more options for the eagle from around NYC:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/annebartle … 212/ 
– Grand Central Terminal
http://www.flickr.com/photos/annebartle … 212/ 
– Maine Monument at Columbus Circle

The pier clock, “XII  III  VI  IX” might simply be a way of saying “quarters”.  If it isn’t a way of suggesting the Colman Dock clock which wasn’t there at the time Preiss set this in motion, then the idea of ‘quarters’ and a pier follows well enough to sync with my idea that the casque rests on the grounds right outside the Officere’s Quarters building on San Juan Island.

Spiritr

I’m sure and “
almost certainly
” there are people out there who have the answer for you all.
Here’s to the Shinning Ones~
for the first time in the past 36 years, in case you’re still looking for him, I bought him to you before I go, as my contribution to you all
I’ll be gone for a while, mostly because of work, I hope by the end of June I’ll be able to do this dig I’ve always wanted to.
But you know, hobby is hobby, can’t mix into reality.
PEACE~
Good luck guys~~

Spirtr,
who did you bring ?
in the head left to right, i see an image for Boston,sol and possibly george washington.
Spirtr plz name your images

Spirtr,
I disagree with that overlay comparison. What’s gives you the motivation to attempt that added layer of subjectivity?

I’m sure and “
almost certainly
” there are people out there who have the answer for you all.
Here’s to the Shinning Ones~
for the first time in the past 36 years, in case you’re still looking for him, I bought him to you before I go, as my contribution to you all
I’ll be gone for a while, mostly because of work, I hope by the end of June I’ll be able to do this dig I’ve always wanted to.
But you know, hobby is hobby, can’t mix into reality.
PEACE~
Good luck guys~~

I too need to correct myself
The 50 on the bird is as plain as day.
The 74 is a bit iffy.
as it could be 14 74 or 141 or 741…
Here are the numbers on the page we’ve found so far…
http://www.papermodeler.com/images/pix12nums.jpg

Theres also a 3 in the bloom of the flower.
and although the birds are both hawklike – the beaks don’t look anything alike. The one in picture 12 is almost a parrots beak.

I thought the ends of both hands ended in circles.
The minute hand is just harder to see.
–
missing the two, be more specific on the location.

Just noticed a 15 in the wave if that helps anybody.
look about dead center in the white froth of the wave
you will first see 4 verticle dots of water. (white)
Thats the 1
Then look to the right just a bit and you will see six dots arranged in a 5 shape.
once you spot it its pretty obvious.
I think more obvious than the 74
So what does 74 and 15 get you?

oh I have the book and hi rez scans and I can’t see any numbers on the bird…

Unknown

Unknown:
So what does 74 and 15 get you?

Somewhere in the Caribbean I believe.
NYC is 74 & 41(or 40)

The bird isn’t an exact match for the chrysler bldg bird
http://www.papermodeler.com/images/birds.jpg

forest_blight

hope you are similarly right about the musical notes. Can you illustrate exactly what you mean using images?

Sorry it’s taken me so long to reply. I don’t have a good photo editor installed at the moment. Attached is a pic that illustrates the idea, although the scale of the lines against the picture are different than the one I was using on the actual book. In this pic, the notes appear to be c , middle c, e, and d. Someone with a piano and a sheet music would have to play with the scales to see if it means anything.

This is near perfection as a match given that other factors mainly the verse brought me to this area and then in the spass landscape here is a lone radio beacon lighthouse in the background.  A radio beacon specifically designed for total darkness navigation where a ship is 100% engulft in misty fog.  It’s also a much better interpretation than a dark planetarium, because it applies to total darkness and not just a low light setting.  Notice how the boundaries of this lighthouse and centered door fit precisely the panel in the image.
This view came up a few times when I googled for images, so I expect it’s a common spot to take photo’s from.  A bench?
I cut the water part into two main sections and then flipped and rotated each and stacked them to see if some of the contours or striations matched at all.  I can’t tell, but the scene looks like it could’ve been developed from a polaroid.
And this is nearby, the arched portion of fence around Pickett’s military encampment,

Does anyone know if the “accepted” solution is that it’s under a tree in front of Fort Hamilton HS in Brooklyn, NY? I want to go by there and take some pictures if so because the google maps street view is a bit old and hard to see small details.

NYCNative

Well, it is a bit difficult to rule out anything just based on a he said, she said source without much to back it up but reputation.

More than that – at the time prior to the influx of television viewers.
we were actually a pretty tight knit group.
And on behalf of all of us, I must strongly encourage you to look exclusively Central Park.

NYCNative

Well, it is a bit difficult to rule out anything just based on a he said, she said source without much to back it up but reputation.

More than that – at the time prior to the influx of television viewers.
we were actually a pretty tight knit group.
And on behalf of all of us, I must strongly encourage you to look exclusively
Central
Park
.

Unknown

Unknown:
More than that – at the time prior to the influx of television viewers. we were actually a pretty tight knit group.

Now we’re a bunch of tight-knit groups. Things change. People come and go. The hunt continues. And there is still no treasure in Central Park.

Euhirudinea

Now we’re a bunch of tight-knit groups. Things change. People come and go. The hunt continues. And there is still no treasure in Central Park.

awesome. Thank you for the clarification fox. i will be sure to keep my question and comments to a minimum so that I do not disturb the tightly knitted group.

NYCNative

awesome. Thank you for the clarification fox. i will be sure to keep my question and comments to a minimum so that I do not disturb the tightly knitted group.

No need for that! LOL that ship sailed ages ago…

Euhirudinea

Only fox knows for sure, but my guess is that he is referencing the same email. The one that BP sent to FRSTPRZFA, the one she forwarded to him, and the one that he posted on this forum with her email address redacted. I agree that the wording in the second post is confusing, but the message is perfectly clear. And given the source, perfectly accurate IMO. There is no casque in Central Park, NY.
Which won’t stop people from searching in Central Park because…clues.

As far as I recall (it has been several years since I started these threads some 16 years ago) I did not correspond directly with BP. I believe I was simply sharing the email of FRSTPRZFA.

So I’m not the only one who thinks that woman’s face resembles the Statue of Liberty?  Good.
About that “Russian Church” (presumably, St. Basil’s in the Kremlin in Moscow).  There’s a famous restaurant, the Russian Tea Room, in NYC, next door to Carnegie Hall.

I am pretty sure that most of us agree that the woman’s face is that of The Statue of Liberty:
http://www.cr.nps.gov/worldheritage/libface.gif
If this were the case, NY would be the obvious location, right?  Another confirmer can be seen in the bird flying over the lady.  The bird’s head comes from the gargoyles on the Chrysler Building in NY:
http://www.allposters.com/images/35/017_PP0037.jpg
Also, (I’m sorry I dont have my notes with me) a fellow hunter found a very similar match to the blue building sillouette as a church or synagogue in NY….not sure which one it was though.
So, it does look as if this P is leading us to somewhere in The Big Apple, but where?  I’m not even sure if any of the hunters has matched a V (verse) to this P.  Anyone…..?

How dumb are we? (me)
Can we assign someone to look at the forest,
while someone else looks at the trees?
Please take a look at the FORT HAMILTON Seal:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hamilton
I bet there is a large sign some where outside the Fort
with this on it….. can someone look for it?

NJ written right to left.

I understand how it’s hard to see what I see (above).  I’ll try to explain.  The map and the hair are perfect together.  What does it mean?  With the image’s neck, which represents the harbor of NY/NJ, the upside down face, which is a sailboat (or pirate ship?), the water at the bottom of the image, (the upside down wave has
sink
written in it), tells me that some event happened here but I can’t find it yet.
edit: gosh darn!  keeps disappearing.  FB- ever happen to you at geocities?

I’ve never had a problem with Geocities. I’ve had my account for 12 years, and I host three websites off of the same Geocities site. I pay $4.95 per month for that and for the storage bin where I dump all the images I post. The free account probably has tighter bandwidth restrictions than the paid accounts, but I am surprised the limit is already exceeded for you.

Trohn

I can see the link,
and it would be a stronger arguement if the bottom
half of the hair (turned upside down so the top
of the head) turned the same way as the bottom half of
the state – which it turns the other way.

I see your point, but I think they are trying to keep us in that harbor.  Otherwise we could have a great time with the half sunken ship down at Cape May.

Something to add.  Pickett comes from thinking about fences.  Fairy could be Ferry boat.  This image reminds me whale watching.  I think there is an outline of a blue whale below the surf.  There is a replica Pickett memorial in San Juan near Seattle area.  I have no idea what V to pair with this.  Just brainstorming.

Had this idea about George Pickett

Has anyone ever checked out Sunset Park in Brooklyn? It’s a lovely park that provides a bit of unique perspective for this image. It’s up on a hill so when you’re standing in in the right spot of the hill you get a great view of Manhattan and the river. You can see The Statue Of Liberty, Ellis Island, and all the skyscrapers. I visited Sunset Park once and the grey rectangle with the red outline reminded me of a slight reddish orange glow the skyscrapers got around them as the sun sets. I have to figure when the World Trade Centers were standing they would probably look a bit like the grey rectangle with the red outline at sunset. So if you’re on the hill you can see three things referenced in the painting.

slappybuns

i’m gonna be gone to NC for over a month!  have fun guys!

We’ll try and save one or two for when you get back.

Oh wait, that birds head reminds me of the Seattle Seahawks sweater I had back when I was 9…hey, that was 1981!

just saw this picture of integrity on top of the NYSE bldg.
http://www.forgottendelights.com/images … diment.JPG
here’s another one:
http://piccies.flybywire.org.uk/General … 6/NYSE.jpg

Unknown

Unknown:
just saw this picture of integrity on top of the NYSE bldg.

I’m sorry….did you say
integrity?
on the
STOCK EXCHANGE????

Glossiphoniidae

Or can you?

Yes….Puzzling 🙂

Siskel/Egbert and those who have been there before. I know that McCarren
park
really
only has the church going for it directly, but has anyone ever noticed that at the rear of the
park
is NYC’s
Automotive High School
, bordered on one side completely by Nassau St?
There are a few things that intrigue me about the surrounding area, but more in a “here’s a dump of some stuff” not a solid theory way. Forgive me if some of this is repeat. I tried to search back for McCarren stuff but if anyone spelled it “McCarran” etc I might’ve missed it.
This bird can be found at 911 Manhattan down the road.
http://i.imgur.com/WIn5XDI.jpg
(of course there were Eagles in McCarran
park
in the past as well which we all know)
This clock is actually on 3 sides of this church, and looks more familiar than I’d care to admit, but so do lots of them:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7295415 … e0!6m1!1e1
There also used to be a clock on the McCarren pool, but lord knows when it was/wasn’t there. You can just barely see it on the left of this photo. It’s been restored today I believe:
http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_about/pa … 2-1937.jpg
And just for kicks, if you keep heading down Nassau you very quickly bump into a small
park
that has a War Memorial statue. The statue has both arms outstretched and is holding a Palm Frond in her right, and a Branch in her left.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4099/4764 … e037_z.jpg
Otherwise she bears no resemblance
Sorry again if this is duped, just some stuff I hadn’t seen posted before. The Automotive HS to me is actually the most compelling.

Siskel/Egbert and those who have been there before. I know that McCarren park
really
only has the church going for it directly, but has anyone ever noticed that at the rear of the park is NYC’s
Automotive High School
, bordered on one side completely by Nassau St?
There are a few things that intrigue me about the surrounding area, but more in a “here’s a dump of some stuff” not a solid theory way. Forgive me if some of this is repeat. I tried to search back for McCarren stuff but if anyone spelled it “McCarran” etc I might’ve missed it.
This bird can be found at 911 Manhattan down the road.
http://i.imgur.com/WIn5XDI.jpg
(of course there were Eagles in McCarran park in the past as well which we all know)
This clock is actually on 3 sides of this church, and looks more familiar than I’d care to admit, but so do lots of them:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7295415 … e0!6m1!1e1
There also used to be a clock on the McCarren pool, but lord knows when it was/wasn’t there. You can just barely see it on the left of this photo. It’s been restored today I believe:
http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_about/pa … 2-1937.jpg
And just for kicks, if you keep heading down Nassau you very quickly bump into a small park that has a War Memorial statue. The statue has both arms outstretched and is holding a Palm Frond in her right, and a Branch in her left.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4099/4764 … e037_z.jpg
Otherwise she bears no resemblance
Sorry again if this is duped, just some stuff I hadn’t seen posted before. The Automotive HS to me is actually the most compelling.

maybe we are looking for a flag pole top ornament

Yes, The bird head is exactly as Ellis Island gargoyle. The rectangle in the left bottom window pane of Image 12 is the same shape as the Ellis Island ferry port where boats leave for Liberty Island as show as a dotted line on the Google Map. If you instead of turning right to Liberty Island, but go straight forward in a south east direction, the gulls wings could be indicating “Fly to” and we are back to Prospect Park.
There is a “Statue of Liberty” statue in Prospect Park outside the Brooklyn Museum.

Merlot Brougham

The Ferry Building bird… hell, it even has the tongue in image 12, just like the sculpture.

+1

Yep, definitely a better match.

I’m in agreement with the intention to match the Ellis Island gargoyle.  Is it fair to assume the reason is only to say thebcasque is to be found on Ellis or could it be a way of informing the hunter of some necessary link to the motives or habits of that particular Fair Folk handling the frozen fire topaz?
Is there any meaning to be ascribed to the bird presented in flight versus perched?

Oh goody just in time for the holidays, another hoax.

Oh please. “Solved”? Color me skeptical.

I think my
latest edit to the wiki
is going to get my privileges revoked.
(just modified the 7th bullet point)

Frisco

I think my
latest edit to the wiki
is going to get my privileges revoked.
(just modified the 7th bullet point)

Nice. We all exist in a fog of preconceptions.

maltedfalcon

unfortunately the wiki was taken over by someone who feels they know best about possible solves, if you try and post solutions that don’t match his pet theories, he deletes them.
He also then posts possible solutions as fact which actively discourage, people from considering original ideas. To read the wiki you would think several casques are moments away from simply being dug up because the exact solutions are known…
He makes it sound like there is a consensus and group of people actively working under his guidance.
Its kind of sad really.

Agreed. Also recognize that is the first place people end up when they first do an internet search on The Secret. I know we throw around terms like “consensus” quite a bit, but I have no idea where some of the “facts” on the wiki come from.
edit: “Currently narrowed down to a single tree In Hoboken. Case closed” – The Secret Wiki. Who had that detailed spreadsheet saying it was 99% certain Cask 9 was buried on the grounds of Olympic Stadium in Montreal? Upload that to the wiki. Consensus is based upon who shouts the loudest and has the prettiest spreadsheets.

SOLVED Verse 10 and Image 12.
Hi all,
Verse 10 and Image 12 has been solved by
[email protected]
Here is the word document which describes everything about verse 10 and image 12:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=3 … ile%2cdocx
Thanks.

For info, someone just posted up these image 12 notes on Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php? … 8563372090

I would tend to agree with Merlot on this.  Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe the eagle on Ellis Island is at an old building which is no longer in use, and you actually have to walk pretty far from where you land on the ferry, to see it.  It is not one of the eagles on the main building, since I did not see the correct eagle when I got off the ferry on Ellis Island.
In other words, if the correct eagle is on an obscure building, far from where the ferry lands, then that would not just simply be a NYC “confirmer.”  Rather, it is more of something that you would see when you are near the treasure spot.  A city “confirmer” would be the Cleveland terminal tower or the Chicago water tower, or the Statue of Liberty.  Not the eagle over there in the corner on that abandoned building that nobody knows about.

img someone took from across street,see the space between the dome on the right
looks like the space in img 12…….
http://goo.gl/maps/aUEoi
looking at area pic was taken from……
http://goo.gl/maps/c6gQ9

Out of curiosity, where did the name “JRock” come from?
Pine Tree

Long story about the nickname – but I am in a rock band, if that helps (
www.thehandful.com
).
FYI – Siskel & Egbert don’t think my site is accurate, and they may be right – but then again, they may be wrong – I do have a backup though, possibly.

ach! woudn’t you know it, This saturday I will be in Meadow Vista, CA… come to think of it most saturdays I’m in Meadow Vista— oh well good luck! love to hear your ideas even if we can’t help hunt we can enjoy vicariously.

Great JRock!
I live in Cresskill and I can bring a shovel,my book and help you dig.
I have a car. I am minutes from the GWB.

When the pic is turned sideways-clockwise, the water appears to spell out an elongated N (dark water) A (light water) and then what could be an O (or I?).  Can anyone else see this?  Also, when the pic is rightside up, there are some crossed lines in the water that look like some kind of crossing highway/road.

I think this one is top tier difficulty. Full on red herring both visual and verse wise.

.

I solved it tonight for sure. It’s gone. I will be posting what I have of the solution eventually. It is conclusive in every way. It’s been a parking lot since at least 1995.
I guess I’ll see if I can still get my gem.

The more I learn about this cask the more I think it may be unrecoverable.

Xieish

The more I learn about this cask the more I think it may be unrecoverable.

What reason(s)? Missing markers or other changes to landscape?

Both. I know making pronouncements like this without proof is bad form, but as far as I know my solution to this one isn’t public. My research has been done entirely in private (by myself) and I’m very confident I know approximately where it was buried. I am not confident that the verse can be followed to the casque anymore.
I’m going to come up with a time in the near future to put my money where my mouth is and go look, I guess

These forums are less private than they use to be, so your position on the subject is understandable. Its up to you to decide whether you are generating your own IP. It takes a lot to say you havent used anything said by others to help you form your approach or sense for the methodology. Its safe to assume here at this forum that everyone shares and shares alike to find these casques. Sir Eg and others have done a great job pioneering that philosophy.
I myself have to be careful of a particular solution that I’m currently only willing to trust a few folks with. My solution is probably out if bounds in its scope, but all the same, I really want to further the cause with a sense of whom exactly has access to that information. You know who you are. If you havent got a PM from me lately, send me a request for the intel. As far as 87.5% of my work goes, I’ve done my best to share it with all y’all. I know PMs can be cumbersome, but maybe we should tolerate that level of security for however long anyone remains concerned.

I do not mean to say that my work is not ‘standing on the shoulders of giants’ at all – but at the same time borrowing methodologies or using an image/statue/etc. that someone suggested isn’t quite the same as sharing resources. Even I don’t have that level of hubris. What I meant is that besides a few odds and ends my proposed solution is not on the internet at all, or on anyone’s (public) radar. As such, I would like to keep it that way. If anyone else is hot on the same location, they’ve kept it 100% off of these boards and others.
If I felt I needed help or some guidance I would absolutely say “here’s what I have, I’m stuck.” But I’m past that, there’s nothing anyone can do here – the next step is to visit the site.

Is it somewhere secluded where you could bury a casque without being interrupted?

I spent all my hubris on junk so I went and borrowed some from a goon at SomethingAwful…pretty high interest too.
Visiting a site if it has anything confirming is bound to be an awesome experience. Good luck when you go for it.
Where on the scale of difficulty to you think this casque lands? Which casque do you think is the hardest to solve?

Neither of the other solved ones are particularly secluded. There was a wedding going on when Egbert & Siskel dug, and Grant
Park
has the ‘hush’ line for that reason. It’s right by a road.
I know the
park
with 100% certainty, the area with STRONG certainty, but need to be on site to see if it can still be dug. I believe Preiss made an error burying it here in the first place, & all of NY got obliterated during Sandy as well, wiping away a ton of signage and markers, as well as generating millions in new construction.
There is a clear, unmistakable path that culminates in a location that I have also located in the painting with almost 100% certainty. Unfortunately, the rest is up to luck, whether or not you can solve the final piece of the riddle still. I suspect you can’t. But I’m in Boston, it’s not hard to arrange a trip.
I thought this one was he hardest for a long time due to the image’s… Bleakness. but now I don’t think so. I believe it’s one of the more confined ones, I know some of them stretch over a few miles.

Neither of the other solved ones are particularly secluded. There was a wedding going on when Egbert & Siskel dug, and Grant Park has the ‘hush’ line for that reason. It’s right by a road.
I know the park with 100% certainty, the area with STRONG certainty, but need to be on site to see if it can still be dug. I believe Preiss made an error burying it here in the first place, & all of NY got obliterated during Sandy as well, wiping away a ton of signage and markers, as well as generating millions in new construction.
There is a clear, unmistakable path that culminates in a location that I have also located in the painting with almost 100% certainty. Unfortunately, the rest is up to luck, whether or not you can solve the final piece of the riddle still. I suspect you can’t. But I’m in Boston, it’s not hard to arrange a trip.
I thought this one was he hardest for a long time due to the image’s… Bleakness. but now I don’t think so. I believe it’s one of the more confined ones, I know some of them stretch over a few miles.

just an opinion here.  I really do not believe BP would bury 2 or more casques in one location (city), simply because I think some hunters may say that is unfair for those living outside of the apple.

I am finding sufficient material to support a strong thesis of feminism at work in this image.  As I said, the Virginia Woolf connection appeals solely from verse 9, but things get moving when I land on the lighthouse idea, also hinted by verse.  There’s a snug connection to Keats (writ in water) if we allow a Shelley perspective.  Mary Shelly’s mother Mary Wollstonecraft, a huge mover in the feminist world, was biographied by Virginia Woolf.
Byron Preiss uses a rooster as his publishing logo.  Florence Nightingale’s statistical chart, the Nightingale Rose, is more commonly known as a coxcomb, which happens to be a flower and a roosters iconic head growth.  Florence is a remarkably strong figure in the history of the woman’s movement.  I think the first chapter of the DAR movement, founded in Washington State really embodies the role of women in times of war just as Florence Nightengale bore the lamp for the wounded.

Perhaps the roofline in Boogieman’s photo is the neckline in image 9.  (I suppose I could have posted this in the other thread.

johann

Perhaps the roofline in Boogieman’s photo is the neckline in image 9.  (I suppose I could have posted this in the other thread.

Roofline?
Please expand!

fox

Something tells me that we will be finding clock towers ALL over NYC   :-\

In regard to the Pier A clock, this was a common style used at the time.
If it was still around in the ’80s, I am sure you could find an example to point to.
I commuted to and from NY for fourteen years.  I do not have a photo of this,
but I believe the clock to be closer to the one on on the Water Street Heliport.
This heliport has a clock face on two sides of the building (street side and water side)
The key is (if I remember) that it only have the four roman numerals (XII, III, VI, IX)
rather than all tweleve.
Regardless of the exact clock picture, we can all agree (hopefully) tjhat it will be found
fronting water.

What grabbed me most about that picture was the arched window below the clock.
The shape matches the frame of the picture.
I have only seen that shape in one other place… (which I still like better)
An arial veiw of the little (triangle shaped) “square” attached to McCarren park across the street from the church that blocked the view of one of the twin towers that also has the domes that are close match to the picture and has the stained glass window which shape exactly matches that of the stained glass window in the picture.
Though I can not prove a verse match… I would be poking there if I had time to get up to NY.

Something tells me that we will be finding clock towers ALL over NYC

This is just a suggestion from someone not at all familiar with the area, or the attractions, OR the research done on this verse and picture–but–
Perhaps, like the imagery in p. 2, perhaps the DOMES are not meant to be taken literally–but are simply the picture for the
word domes,
in the same way that the pear was the picture for the “pearman bridge”?
Is there anything nearby that could be called a “dome”? Anything at all? Even something like the
Dome
-icile of someone? Or the name of some institution that has the word “dome” in it–like the DOME-inion Gas Company? (Dominion)
Just asking. These items seem to be among the most elusive of the images in this p.

Wow, great find! Definitely a blow against my theory

its the wrong hand.

boogieman

I really like that whole area.

WhiteRabbit

(Image11 / Image12 comparison.)

Cheers Boogie. I’ll try not to quote too much stuff about the Fair Folk, but I can’t resist adding a couple of footnotes…
The main claim to fame for Fort Hamilton High seems to be that it was built on the site of an athletics organisation called the “Crescent Club”.
http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/ … _the_c.php
I see the Russian puzzle as an ice-bound thing.
“…from the Far Marches, from the wide snowy Steppes…”
“…they cherish silver, for it puts them in mind of moonlight and icicles…”
The crescent is a symbol for silver, and the moon.
* * * * *
Take twice as many east steps as the hour
Or more
From the middle of one branch
Of the v
Look down
There’s a flight of steps in front of the school, and I’m wondering if these might be the 22 (or more) steps. That would mean that we could base the location on “the middle of one branch of the v”, instead of 22 (or more) steps away from it, which is a bit vague.
This is the last image. At the beginning of the book, there’s a dedication to “voices of freedom in the Russian darkness” or some such, and I’m wondering if he’s shoe-horned a ‘message’ or two into the puzzle. Freedom/liberty seems to be one of its preoccupations, and lights also seem to crop up a lot. (“Lit by lamplight” etc.) This is partly why I like the lamp which appears to be around the middle of the “branch of the v” which is closer to the coast road, and the yellow sign. (There’s a few of those about though…there are a couple more near the school entrance.)
* * * * *
A Topaz is the Russian prize
The royal sunstone, frozen fire.
Peridot of old Italy
I noticed that Topaz basically used to mean any yellow gemstone. It gets its name from St John’s Island (“Topazos”) where they used to mine a yellow stone…although that was actually a form of Peridot, the image 11 gem.
“This gem makes the island notable as it is believed to be the first discovered source of peridot, which was called topazios in ancient times, hence the Greek name for the island, Topazios.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topaz#History
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._John’s_Island,_Egypt
* * * * *
(Couple of Gershwin quotes I noticed, probably irrelevant. Re: the “simple roots in rhapsodic man’s soil”, Bernstein wrote that Gershwin was “deprived of the chance to plunge his roots firmly into the new soil”. He was disparagingly described by Aaron Copland as “the best composer of light music that America has yet had”.)
* * * * *
Re: “him of Hard word”, I’m thinking school books / Webster’s dictionary.
* * * * *
Look forward to seeing some pics when you get time to make a visit.

Cars abound
can also refer to a parking lot. Or auto dealership.
c

…or a railroad car! Hey boogie, you of all people should be able to tell us if that idea holds water.

Did BP say something about no treasures being buried somewhere dangerous such as too close to a highway?  If he did say so, why would he have to provide a warning if a treasure was not somewhere in the vicinity of a highway?  Am I making any sense?  Perhaps not.

Boogie, I like your fishing reel idea. More believable for “whirring sound” than helicopter blades.
However, I can’t get past the fact that, at Fort Hamilton, one cannot
gaze north / Toward the isle of B.
. On the other side of the Narrows that would be possible, but not here.

johann

Did BP say something about no treasures being buried somewhere dangerous such as too close to a highway?  If he did say so, why would he have to provide a warning if a treasure was not somewhere in the vicinity of a highway?  Am I making any sense?  Perhaps not.

Maybe he had V10 in mind when he said that.  If
cars abound
even alludes to a highway.  But I think somewhere under a bridge, 22 steps away from a highway, there must be a safe place to search.  I wish I could nail down a specific visual at JPJ.  The verse fits so well at this point that any clues in P12 just seem so subjective, which bothers me a little.  Some things I am certain of that others doubt, the reversed NJ in her right shoulder.  The map of North NJ in her hair, I watch the weather maps every day, and gosh darn it if that ain’t the map!  The darkened shadows under her arm pits,
S
under the right and
I
under the left suggest
Staten Island
to me.
But what about
Brooklyn
?  The dark blue in the crest of the wave has a BD in it.  I want to put
Brooklyn Dodgers
in there but how?  Bottom line here, the
slender path
puts you at the Verrazano.  Now I’ve got to go look.
Been working close to 80 hours a week lately but I’m going to take some time in the next week or so to get there.

forest_blight

However, I can’t get past the fact that, at Fort Hamilton, one cannot
gaze north / Toward the isle of B.
. On the other side of the Narrows that would be possible, but not here.

I guess you mean to gaze at you must see it.  You can gaze north from anywhere and be facing the Isle of B.  The bridge basically runs west to east.  Look at the link I provided earlier on this page.
check this out too:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/darn/118256388/

NYCNative

Anyone had any thoughts on the Osage Orange tree in Prospect park?

sent a friend to check it out and probe. Nothing.

NYCNative

Anyone had any thoughts on the Osage Orange tree in Prospect
park
?

sent a friend to check it out and probe. Nothing.

karleen

sent a friend to check it out and probe. Nothing.

Personally, I really don’t like trees as a marker or dig spot. Not saying that they could not be involved, but I like things that are more permanent.
Also, unless Preiss was a total tool, I don’t think he would risk destroying a tree, with potentially millions of people digging around them, had this book panned out like expected.

Anyone had any thoughts on the Osage Orange tree in Prospect park?

Anyone had any thoughts on the Osage Orange tree in Prospect
park
?

just below center of the clock there is something there…cant see it clearly….looks like letters…anyone see it

On sober reflection, I’m starting to think that digging round lampposts sounds dangerous.
Metal clock hands…
Could the “baubles” be the mesh wire fence…?
That would put it closer to the yellow “topaz” sign, and the view of Bedloe’s. The simple roots could be fence-posts. Reminds me of Gershwin’s Second Rhapsody, the
Rhapsody in Rivets
.

Gman, you can also find this little beauty on top of the St. George Theater which is in site of the Clarence T. Barrett Monument.
http://photos.cinematreasures.org/produ … 1325795045

shecrab

And here is another idea: There is a man named Scott Jordan who is an artist and a self-styled “urban archeologist” who grew up on Governor’s Island. He has dug up most of the place and uses the shards and artifacts he finds to make jewelry or art objects. He also digs up a lot of stuff all over NYC. We could maybe contact him–he has a website–and ask if he (1) ever dug up a plexiglas box at any time, and (2)  if he might be interested in digging around in Battery
Park
. He gets permission easily because he’s well-known and respectful of the site–and has a (smile) “higher purpose” to his digging.  What do you think?

Unknown

Unknown:
Sounds fun, but I really don’t have time to look for something buried by someone in the 1980’s. My search is for older artifacts. These boxes will most likely found over the next one hundred years. Happy searching.

I emailed this dude today. Friendly reply, but he doesn’t have time for such recent burials unfortunately.
Wish I could share his confidence that someone will find one of these things…

shecrab

And here is another idea: There is a man named Scott Jordan who is an artist and a self-styled “urban archeologist” who grew up on Governor’s Island. He has dug up most of the place and uses the shards and artifacts he finds to make jewelry or art objects. He also digs up a lot of stuff all over NYC. We could maybe contact him–he has a website–and ask if he (1) ever dug up a plexiglas box at any time, and (2)  if he might be interested in digging around in Battery Park. He gets permission easily because he’s well-known and respectful of the site–and has a (smile) “higher purpose” to his digging.  What do you think?

Unknown

Unknown:
Sounds fun, but I really don’t have time to look for something buried by someone in the 1980’s. My search is for older artifacts. These boxes will most likely found over the next one hundred years. Happy searching.

I emailed this dude today. Friendly reply, but he doesn’t have time for such recent burials unfortunately.
Wish I could share his confidence that someone will find one of these things…

I didn’t expect him to actually look for it, I was hoping that maybe he had run across something that might have been a casque/box in his digging. Oh well.

Yes!!! Keep the Prospect Park idea alive. Siskel, I value your opinion. I’ve been adventuring down new avenues since your NY visit. I’m keeping Prospect on the back burner though. I agree that there isn’t much going on there as far as visual clues. How confident are we that Central Park isn’t a possible site? A lot of ideas I find point there but I dismiss them because of the email saying it’s not there. I’ve been working on the letters in the image to try and figure something out. Got a few ideas. I’ll post if I find something.

Yes!!! Keep the Prospect
Park
idea alive. Siskel, I value your opinion. I’ve been adventuring down new avenues since your NY visit. I’m keeping Prospect on the back burner though. I agree that there isn’t much going on there as far as visual clues. How confident are we that
Central
Park
isn’t a possible site? A lot of ideas I find point there but I dismiss them because of the email saying it’s not there. I’ve been working on the letters in the image to try and figure something out. Got a few ideas. I’ll post if I find something.

JoshCornell

the 3d thing is somewhat obvious…you may have to have a colourblind trait…normies might not be able to see…or it might just ref one of the above, i gotta go through some photos to be sure.

Ah!!! another literature reference
http://www.andersen.sdu.dk/vaerk/hersho … hes_e.html

kevinschwoer

Posting this here too…
Kind of new to this all, and have been catching up on 30+ years of research, time, and frustration. I’m not trying to reinvent the wheel here or challenge anyone’s theories, but it’s been three decades with no real progress. Could we be thinking about this all wrong? There is no clear verse to image matching pattern. The Preiss girls had conflicting reports about one actually being in NY. I am not convinced of anything until.
Let’s talk.

im insulted by this post…

maltedfalcon

Seriously you don’t think this has been tried, and by people with access to a whole lot better equipment than you have?

the 3d thing is somewhat obvious…you may have to have a colourblind trait…normies might not be able to see…or it might just ref one of the above, i gotta go through some photos to be sure.

Thanks BM-
I would not reccommend giving
up any location, this thing is very
fluid.
I have found statues of Queen
Victoria in Montreal that look
closer to the image than this one.
But who am I to judge woman,
I only see dog legs and horse faces

Yo trohn, i believe you asked for this pic a while back. I still haven’t given up on Battery Park just yet.

Okay, I’ve been having alot of trouble posting a pic…
But what about GW statue in front of FED Hall (Wall Street) as a match for IMAGE twelve.
I’m sure there are a few statues out there with this pose, but this looks like an identical (mirror) match??
If anyone else could post the picture I’d be grateful!
King