Unknown

Unknown:
then why in the world would he ever have been afraid that all of the treasures would be found within a matter of months?

Quite simply, he wasn’t. What he said was that if the puzzles proved to be too easy, and they were solved in a couple of months, his publisher would be mad at him or words to that effect. I suspect that he knew he had created a puzzle that would take some time to solve completely, and as we continue to find out, he was correct.

If you use the Hobson Monument, you may not need a specific day at a specific hour to create a shadow marking the spot. (And what if it is too cloudy on that particular day and time?)
One could just use the arrow in the base of the monument as the direction marker – regardless of the weather. If the clue really is 12 paces from the monument, just follow the arrow’s direction.

I don’t know… I’ve read a few other “sun-shadow” theories before, but they’ve never really made sense to me. Yes, that might have been the way the “Masquerade” treasure was supposedly found, but I’m having trouble seeing it with “The Secret.”
If BP really designed the clues so that a casque’s exact spot could only be found at a certain time of day, on one particular day of the year, then why in the world would he ever have been afraid that all of the treasures would be found within a matter of months?

Not a stretch digger, good observation.
Matching the verses with the images (correctly)
has I think made this set of puzzles delightful
and frustrtaing.

Hey all,
I was thinking about how to link this image with a verse and as has already been mentioned with the casques that have been found V12 was linked to P5 with the statue of the indian riding the horse in the Picture with the line WHERE M AND B ARE SET IN STONE in the Verse.  And V4 was linked to P4 by the columns (although this could have also applied to P8).  Anyway, V5 talks about an arc of lights and if you look at P2 you can clearly see an arc of lights reflected in the eyes of the lion.  Perhaps it is a bit of a stretch but of all the images in the various pictures it is the only one where the eyes reflect something
Just my two cents,
digger7

Not content with Chicago, Milwaukee, and Montreal, I will also be in Charleston later this month (!). So if there is any detail anyone wants me to check out while I’m down there, or take pictures of, I’m on it.

Unknown

Unknown:
So if there is any detail anyone wants me to check out while I’m down there, or take pictures of, I’m on it.

Unknown

Unknown:
who knew that coming into Sullivan’s Island,
on Station 22 1/2 you crossed a draw bridge…
wouldn’t this be an arc of lights (if it is an old
draw bridge with the metal over hangs for the road
supports)

Sullivan’s Island is a hot prospect–but I’m sure that’s on your agenda.  Please make sure you start that journey back in Charleston proper, off of Rt 26.  One of my old maps lists exit numbers and the exit off of 26 at the old Grace Memorial/Pearman bridges is 221.  Very close to the
Lane Two twenty two
, there may another exit sign on that route as you cross and get on Rt 703. I know some people like the Station numbers better. Just a thought.
I thought I saw a picture of this bridge on one of my searches and its a rotating type bridge, not a classic draw bridge.  But you could find out…
Please check out all the way west of Fort Moultrie to the end of the island looking for the
wingless bird
.  That is if you don’t find it near the fort.
[V5 feels like a follow-the-trail-directions to me–very much like Milwaukee’s–see the arc of lights (lighthouse?????)–next see the Fort—next see the bird–next find the tree and white stone–next dig] Seems we may be moving westward–how far, don’t know.]
Pictures would be great.  Visiting the suspected sites are a must, you can’t get the same details from an armchair.  Will you also be checking out Ronoake again this summer?

I do hope to go to Roanoke again this summer, time permitting. I will try my best to take your suggestions, even though I’m a bigger fan of V6 for this Image.

Should  it be important to make a distinction in what type of mask this is?  I’m very curious to know if we can include Pygmy tribal mask as a possible consideration.  It might then be a rebus for pygmy + lion = Pygmalion aka My Fair Lady (hint from line “Waits the Fair remuneration).
The Greek myth about Pygmalion where he falls in like love with his sculpture which is then brought to life by Venus might be in this reference or something to do with a woman who would be accepted into a higher than expected social setting…or a reference to the slang usage of the term “bloody”.

There’s a name for the type of cut or shape of a diamond. The diamond illustrated here is called the “cushion” or “candlelight” cut. Interestingly, there is also a “pear” cut type of diamond. Looks like a little bit of thought went into the choice of drawing a pear and moth here.

bigmattyh

The rate that these sites are changing and/or deteriorating, is far outpacing the rate at which actual progress is being made on the hunt.  Unless something changes, it is getting extremely unlikely that any more casques will be found.

Here’s a general ramble/recap on where I’m at with this one. Unfortunately I’d have to agree with Bigmatty that:
When I put together my notes on Sullivan’s Island…
http://www.lemontiger.co.uk/images/misc … amaris.pdf
…the area with the war memorial seemed a secluded, undisturbed spot. But revisiting on Google Maps it seems to have changed a lot even over the past couple of years…the cables I once saw as a possible confirmer are gone, there are large new green electrical installations and buried cables. I kind of hope it’s
not
there now, although I still like it, and the ground directly beside the memorial is probably still untouched.
But…digging next to a war memorial; digging next to a boundary marker that warns of fines and imprisonment; digging next to a tree; these all seem a bit unlikely to me. On the other hand, it seems to me that “twelve paces” away from one of these is too vague to be a clear instruction on where to dig…isn’t it…? I don’t know. I’d really like something more definite.
Here are some updated notes on these two “white stone” candidates.
http://www.lemontiger.co.uk/images/misc … stones.pdf
In the vicinity of the church, I’m also interested in the white “Osceola” street marker near the memorial, and an African tree in the church grounds someone mentioned as the “only standing member of a forest”. (The part of the introduction relating to this puzzle goes on about African trees.)
If we could find a white granite wall that it was possible to dig next to, that might account for the “granite walls” in the verse, as well as the “white stone”. It doesn’t have to be “a white stone”, it could just be “white stone (wall)”.
If I was going on a photo-taking tour of this area, I’d like to see:
1) Pics showing the area around the boundary stone…I’ve never seen a general overview around this area.
2) Pics showing the area at the bottom of 12th Station St. I feel this road is significant, with the white-tipped hour hand in the image pointing at 12, and the litany entry mentioning midnight.
3) Pics showing the back of the church, next to the parking lot. Anywhere to dig in the church grounds…? We know it’s not buried in a graveyard, but we also know we apparently need to ask permission to dig so perhaps it’s private. I’d also like to see exactly where this African tree is.
4) Some close-ups of the war memorial from different sides.

Euhirudinea

Quite simply, he wasn’t. What he said was that if the puzzles proved to be too easy, and they were solved in a couple of months, his publisher would be mad at him or words to that effect. I suspect that he knew he had created a puzzle that would take some time to solve completely, and as we continue to find out, he was correct.

Hate to jump back in time like this but I missed something the first time around
“his publisher” Who would that be? He was the publisher. Bantam was just the contracted printer….
Do you know how exactly he worded it ? I can’t find it.

Unknown

Unknown:
Do you know how exactly he worded it ? I can’t find it.

I couldn’t find it either, which is why I said “words to that effect”. The implication, as I recall, was that there were others who would be adversely affected by weak sales if the puzzles were solved too quickly and that he was afraid of letting them down. However, as I said, I do not think for one moment that he shared that concern, and he never said that the puzzle was easy. Just that some are easy and some are hard. And that he expected at least one treasure to be found within 30 days.

Eg – can you supply a photograph or two of your casque fragments?
Regarding Image 2, does anyone see the letters “hwy” in the top left of our lion’s mane?
Another possible lead: Cypress Gardens, 24 miles north of Charleston, SC, at 3030 Cypress Gardens Rd. Moncks Corner, SC:
http://www.cypressgardens.org/
This attraction has cypress (obviously), a butterfly house, a reptile center, and a really big stone cross (like the one in our lion’s mane?):
http://www.pbase.com/kluken/image/46782822
Perhaps this place is worth looking into.

forest_blight

I discovered that it is still permissible, even today, to take one’s own boat to Ft. Sumter and avoid the ferry. If the same was true in 1981, BP would have had no difficulty smuggling a shovel onto the island under cover of night.

but where would he get the boat??
wilhouse

YES–undoubtedly. See the thread for Verse 6 for more info.

Huh. That’s pretty neat.

Just now worked with rotating the map to fit the orrientation of Sumter and with respect to light houses I liked the Morris Lighthouse the best as fitting the perspective of looking at Sumter in the direction from which the cat’s eyes are positioned.  Made me consider Morris the Cat for a second and then i realized that a sitting cat’s shape is ver much like a pear.  Lol.  The house nearby, which isnt underwater yet might be worth looking into.  It might be considered “below the bar”.  Watching and listening to birds is a major cat activity as well…

I don’t get it…you’re saying this is a match…?

Lower right side of the upper wing, WR.

forest_blight

Lower right side of the upper wing, WR.

. Why does that look like the line from verse 11?

Unknown

Unknown:
Thank you for your interest in Cape Lookout National Seashore.
The first Cape Lookout lighthouse was built in 1812, but it proved to be
too short to effectively warn sailors away from the dangers of Lookout
Shoals.  The current lighthouse was completed on November 1, 1859.  At that
time, it did not have the painted design (called a “day mark”) but was a
simple red brick tower.  The tower was painted it’s distinctive diagonal
checker or diamond pattern in 1873.  This pattern makes the Cape Lookout
lighthouse the only one in North Carolina which can act as a compass: the
black diamonds mark North and South while the white diamonds mark East and
West.  A historical timeline for our lighthouse can be found on this
webpage:
http://www.nps.gov/calo/historyculture/ … meline.htm
.
The Cape Hatteras and Bodie Island lighthouses
(
http://www.nps.gov/caha/historyculture/ … ations.htm
) also received
day marks in the 1870s while the Currituck lighthouse in Corolla was left
with its brick color.  This was done because all of these lighthouses we
designed based on the same pattern.  The different day marks allowed
mariners to determine their location during the day from the pattern of the
lighthouse.  Sailors could distinguish the lighthouses at night by their
light flash pattern.  The Cape Lookout lighthouse has used several
different flash patterns but the one currently used is one flash every 15
seconds.
The building used for our Visitor Center on Harkers Island is older than it
appears: it is a re-purposed motel.  It was first used by the National Park
Service in 1996.  There was a two-story Ranger Station near the current
Harkers Island Visitor Center which was removed when the visitor center was
completed.  There was also a restaurant, which has since been destroyed,
located in the picnic area across the street from the visitor center.
The anchor in front of this building is from the Olive Thurlow, which
wrecked in December 1902 in the Lookout Bight about 0.5 miles south of the
Cape Lookout lighthouse.  The Thurlow  was a three masted, 577 ton,
barkentine that was 149 feet long.  It was carrying lumber from Charleston,
SC to New York, NY when the crew sought shelter from a gale in the Lookout
Bight.  Despite the protection of the natural harbor, the ship was driven
on the sand by the winds.  The surfmen of the Cape Lookout Life-Saving
Station responded to a distress signal and rescued all but one member of
the shipwrecked crew.  John Chalky fell overboard after being struck in the
head by the mizzenmast and was lost at sea.  More information on the
Life-Saving Service in this area can be found on this webpage:
http://www.nps.gov/calo/historyculture/surfmen.htm
.
The anchor from the Olive Thurlow  is on loan to Cape Lookout National
Seashore from the North Carolina Office of Archives and History
(
http://www.history.ncdcr.gov/
).  I am not sure if or where the anchor was
displayed before it was loaned to the park.
If you have any other questions or require additional information, please
feel free to contact the park at (252) 728-2250 or
[email protected]
.

Here is an email response from the Harkers Island visitors center to my general questions about the lighthouses in area and then the anchor specifically,
Maybe something useful to somebody.  Just concluded a glancing read of the history of the Olive Thurlow December wreck and learned its anchor wasn’t recovered until 1996, so this can most certainly get crossed off the list of possibilities.

I’m sure this has been mentioned before but….. does anyone else agree that Sullivan’s Island
can be seen almost exactly within the white area of the lower right side of our lady’s butterfly wings?

just did a search on blyden and found this:
http://www.archive.org/details/africanabroadorh02ferr
guess the word “abroad”  intrigued me
“The African abroad”…like “Abroad in America”, Visitors To A New Nation”
http://ia311028.us.archive.org/0/items/ … 01ferr.pdf
p. 278 , the very last line
speaking for myself, i’m pretty convinced it’s in white point gardens somewhere….it’s a cultural garden and c3’s pic with “may 1913” is hard to get past
http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1158 … 4516ZMokAC
i feel the quote from “abroad in america” is just saying “charleston” again
the rope hanging from the tree in the image points to the marker about the pirates, and the verse speaking of pirates points to charleston harbor
just my feeling

Very nice, Slappy!
I am tending to lean toward White Point Gardens, too.
It has the sounds of water and birds, sand, palms, literary allusions and numerous visual markers.
Did Cthree ever dig anywhere in the park…or use a metal detector or probe?
AP

AP
i’m not sure if cthree dug anywhere.  did u cthree????

Two things:
First, the Edwin/Edwina connections: I think this is too weak. I do however think that the connection between Edwin HARLESTON (the painter) and his adopted daughter EDWINA (they changed her name to
name her after Edwin
) is stronger. Either way, the connection between an African-American historical figure and Charleston is very strong–and frankly, I do not think it much matters which one you like better. It places the casque in Charleston, and that’s what really matters.
The other thing is this line:
Below the bar that binds / Beside the long palm’s shadow / Embedded in the sand
I previously posted a diagram of an anchor–the two “arrow-head” shaped pieces on an anchor are called “palms”. One is normally longer than the other. The “long palm’s shadow” could mean in the shadow of that particular side of an anchor…also, an anchor is likely to be “embedded in the sand” somewhere. I think you might want to check to see if there is one nearby.
The “bar that binds” to me was always in reference to the earthquake bolts found in many buildings in Charleston–it is certainly a bar that binds–and many times the bolt heads (visible on the outsides of the houses) have lion’s heads as decorations.
Just my two cents worth.

Unknown

Unknown:
only problem is…if the park won’t let you dig to unearth the treasure, would they have allowed BP to bury it there?

I know some of you really like the battery (white Point gardens) but remember, for most of its history it was a very unfriendly place to African Americans. Edwin Blyden would not have gone there and Edwin Harleston would probably have not been allowed.
If the theme matters at all, this is not the place. I would consider either Marion Square or Hampton Park before the battery. I would consider Avery Institute, the AME church, or Jenkins Orphanage before the battery.
I don’t think we’re going to find a piece of statuary or building in the picture that exactly identifies the spot, either. Yes, the Chicago solution had a marker very close by (the fence) and so did the Cleveland solution (wall). But Grant Park in Chicago is 319 acres. That’s a half square mile for the park alone. The Cultural Gardens contains around 30 different gardens. All of Charleston is only around 134.2 sq mi and it is no were as densely populated as Chicago or Cleveland. I think we were given clearler clues in those images because we needed them. The Cleveland treasure still wasn’t found without the internet and a considerable amount of cooperation between hunters.
But that said, don’t those fairy wings look a lot like the park gates?
fox
I have worried about this a lot. Especially since the Cleveland treasure was in a private garden, inside a planter. To me this comes uncomfortably close to a flower bed.
But in 1981, Washington Square Park was used differently than it is today and the attitude of city officials has changed a great deal. Today, walking tour groups meet-up constantly in the park, the city hall has just had its first renovation since the 1800’s and there are lights in the park at night. None of this was true at the time the treasures were buried. Charleston used to take a certain pride in its shabbiness, and at that time I don’t think I would have even worried about asking permission to dig. If I had wanted to do it without permission, sneaking in at night would have been easy.
I have come to believe that everything BP did was without permission or even inquiry, because asking would have given away locations. He seems to have guarded everything very closely. At the time you could get away with this. Maybe even be admired for it, but we have all changed. The seventies were a long time ago.

I’m adding the idea that the “drumming” theme fits the African cultural element, although drumming exists in many other cultures, I want to submit that the ‘cool, clear sound’ of water is hinting a jazz slang which is in itself of African cultural origin.
Drumming is also the sound of birds retelling romance since its also the jargon for a bird type mating call.
http://www.wildbirdseedmart.com/wild-bi … act-a-Mate
According to their biological purpose to detract predators, the large dots on the wings of Ms. Lepidotera may be called “eyes”.  Perhaps there is an opportunity for homonymy with how diamonds are casually referred to as “ice”.
Another thought, loosely identifying things related to eating fruit as the golden pear suggests and relating to Odysseus, a story about lotus-eaters in North Africa, where those of his crew ate their fruit and didn’t want to come back aboard the ship has me in wonder if this ties into the Civil War fruit that was commonly foraged, called persimmons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persimmon_regiment

Hmm.  I must have been thinking of a different sign.
In any case, the 436 seems to be another confirmer for Fort Moultrie.

forest_blight

Like this one?
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/550856866/2994455360091493633APJIkW
This sign was only recently erected, but perhaps it replaces an older one…

I remember this sign.  If I recall correctly, it was placed there in 1996 by a group of local veterens.  It is interesting to note that the figure in that sign is 435, which is 1 off from the desired 436.  Everything I have seen online indicates 436.

If you zoom in really close, you can see that it was erected in 2005 by the D.A.R. Perhaps some new information was discovered last year that let them revise the figure.

I have the solution for image 2, verse 5.
I visited the site this morning and will attempt to put all information into format for solution.
After thirty years, under an oak tree, I do not believe I will get permission to dig. Hopefully, the site will have a record of when it was buried. I will be contacting them on Monday, Sept. 22, 2014.
Wish me luck.

tjgrey

Also, has anyone looked at the base of the Confederate Defenders monument as the pattern in the wings (instead of cannonballs or cobblestones)? Cannonballs are so uniform, and the spacing between the stones on Chalmers St. seems too great.

Could they be grapes?

A thin probe goes easily through the sandy soil and reaches hard pack at about three feet. The monument sits at an angle so where to start walking is not terribly clear. The top of the monument has a chalice shaped planter with nothing in it. Could represent the lions nose but it is thicker in the middle.

Thanks for the update Shelshock.  🙂
I’m not entirely convinced that “at twelve paces” should be used to measure a distance. If you’re walking it, it’s too vague to find a position accurately, and there are several different “standardised” interpretations…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pace_(unit)
It might be some cryptic reference. Sounds like a duelling reference to me. Either that, or there would have to be a couple of pretty definite physical things that were about twelve paces apart.
I was wondering about the casque possibly being right beside the monument, on its west side.
(Granite walls…white stone…is that thing made of granite…?)

So we are coming home empty handed. A few thoughts though.
The hunt is best looked into at night. The lighthouse for instance. There are two beams of light projected from the top in a v shape. The light is kept from shining back towards the land by a wall at the back of the lantern room. This definitely makes an arc of lights. There are not enough lights on the island to make a convincing arc on the land as you. Cross the bridge to the island.
As for white rabbits solution it is compelling. The site looks perfect. The problem is that twelve paces puts you over the property l

… Line. The very nice lady that lives next door has Been in the house sinc the 60s and was there when the treasure was buried. According to her all the trees on the site were knocked down by Hugo and she remembers them being pines. The world war 1 and 2 memorial there was put up in the 40s or 50s and was there when bp placed the treasure.

The power poles and supports we’re taken down about two years ago and replaced with buried cables. The junction boxes for these are on the site and if they are connected pass right through the area one might want to dig in if 12 paces means 12 steps. The little triangular shaped area used to be the property of ft moultrie but know is part of a little city park. Digging here should be fine except for the buried power cables. Yikes!

I don’t know if the colours on my monitor are right, but I see the three stripes on the Fort Sumter-shaped mask as being red, yellow, and green. I looked around a little bit to find West African (Slave Coast) countries’ flags and I found these:
Burkina Faso:
Ghana:
Senegal:
Togo:
The three stripes, the star on the right… might this be a reference to a flag?

In my copy of
The Secret
, the stripe and star appear much more white than yellow, but it could just be the lighting here.

yea the last videos are shit though, it got dark out.
where did i end at, corner of E Battery?
from there, youd walk down E Battery; along Rainbow Row; till you get to 50 E Bay St.
there you find the star (white star, tells you its a building and relates to white building in verse) and lion door knocker.
on way (at end of E Battery Wall) you find monument to first black naval commander, some haitian dude.
if i recall correctly, next clue is the edwin/edwina clue, which takes you to the Jasper monument. the connection here is that both have things named after them; mainly ships in the case of Jasper, in relation to this puzzle.
on eighth a scene…takes you to the pirate monument at NE corner of WPG…which is a ruse. the fact that the eighth is a ref to this monument is reinforced by the earlier clue about Harken to the words of a patriot, 1840″. its a ruse, bc if you didnt break the purely visual pendant clues, you will think the white house is the saussere house, the palms are the palms around it, and your focus is on the E Battery wall; instead of the S Battery wall. a similar ruse is employed in the NYC puzzle.
where law defended relates back to the first (treasure island) clue; in that it reinforces the idea that pirates were killed and buried in the park…so this is reinforcing the idea that we do NOT dig in WPG…if we didnt already figure that out in the beginning.
bw 2 arms extended…wed think this relates to 2 cannons if we fell for the ruse; but we know this is a reference to the arm of the sundial (shadow) at 4pm; and cannon across from the Fort Sumter Association Building.
the sundial is a monument commemorating a naval disaster that occurred in april (in which the ships went down in 4 minutes). the monument was also dedicated in april, as well.
the cannon and sundial are offset.
so we stand bw them on an angle; facing the FSAB; looking West down S Battery.
below the bar that binds…is a literary reference from “the history of kinyaro bitara” (#19 in the East African Studies Collection).
the quote it takes us to tells us its the “bar that binds water”.
so we know that the treasure is UNDER the protection of one of the battery walls.
wed think this refers to the E Battery wall if we fell for the ruse; but it refers to the S Battery wall.
this is reinforced by a plaque discussing the creation of the battery walls, west down s battery from wpg.
beside the long palm’s shadow…tells us the location of the treasure will be marked by the shadow of a palm tree at 4pm.
so, we can deduce that it is one of 4 palms; based on the framing of the cannon and sundial.
embedded in sand…tells us the casque will be buried in sand.
so, we can eliminate 3 of the palms…one has its shadow in WPG; one has its shadow in the street; one has its shadow fall in a garden outside the FSAB, but this garden is dirt, not sand.
so, by now we know that the treasure is under the protection of the S Battery wall; bw the 2 arms (cannon/sundial) extended; beside the shadow of our designated palm tree at 4pm; near to the white house (the FSAB).
thus, the treasure is located in the triangle sandbox on the S side of the FSAB; W outside of WPG, along S Battery; right behind the stairs.
you can see the triangle sandbox in the painting under the faery’s arms.

fyi when i refer to S Battery as a St…i meant Murray…my bad.
heres where the treasure was…
when i got there there was no little palm; coconut fibres were replaced with rocks. only half the garden bw shadow and building was sand. at 4pm shadow falls to back corner of stairs against building. leaving you about half of it.
https://www.google.ca/maps/@32.7695555, … 312!8i6656

but the traingles dont match, at all. The actual triangle box in the south wall points west and the one in the image points east.

Honestly I think that its not in Charelston but rather Sullivans Island or Mt PLeasant. Having the bridge from charelston and down coleman road as the branch is too specific to just have us go back to white point garden. It has to be telling us to go towards mount pleasant direction. Also most people see ‘sunglasses’ on the far right side but I possibly see a mountain, further points to mt pleasant, not to mention that this is where most of the slaves came in.

phinetic

Honestly I think that its not in Charelston but rather Sullivans Island or Mt PLeasant. Having the bridge from charelston and down coleman road as the branch is too specific to just have us go back to white point garden. It has to be telling us to go towards mount pleasant direction. Also most people see ‘sunglasses’ on the far right side but I possibly see a mountain, further points to mt pleasant, not to mention that this is where most of the slaves came in.

I like your ideas, they echo a lot of the sentiment about, “hey let’s just explore other avenues because the wpg has key stuff but mayyyy still just be coincidence, because other than the lion’s nose there’s literally no on-site image matches”
Show me some image matches and I’ll gladly subscribe to your newsletter.

Here you go:
I ‘ve been messing around with the photo on photoshop and found some interesting things. One is that I found 3 perfect circles in the image in different colors and decided to connect them, and they formed a perfect triangle within the image.
https://imgur.com/a/hBOs9
. I thought to myself “is this helping me narrow down where to look for the casque if I overlay Image 2 with a map of coleman road, and I didnt find anything…EXCEPT!!!
There is a cross in the lions mane above the beginning of colemans road and found a very, very interesting cemetary almost exactly where the cross lays. From wiki:
“Remley Point Cemetery is cemetery located in the Scanlonville community in Mt. Pleasant, South Carolina. It contains 41 marked graves ranging from 1867 to 1989, but residents claim there may be over 1,000 people, largely African American, buried there.[2]”
Additionally, check out an image from the cemetary, it is very, very unique indeed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remley_Point_Cemetery#/media/File:Remley_Point_Cemetery_2.jpg
By the way, Scanlonville, which is the area that is in this triangle,
https://imgur.com/a/kYCaR
also has an interesting history:
“Scanlonville is a hidden and quiet marsh-front community located on the corner of Seventh Avenue and Mathis Ferry Road just past Fire Department #3. Established after the Civil War, this African-American community enjoys a rich heritage spanning over 100 years. After the war, many former slaves began to establish their own farms and businesses. The development of Scanlonville is one such enterprise. In 1868, freedman-carpenter Robert Scanlon purchased the 614-acre Remley’s Plantation that was bordered by the Charleston Harbor and the Wando River. The property was previously owned by Paul Remley who died in 1863. Scanlon founded the Charleston Land Company and 100 African-American men paid $10 per share to purchase large tracts of land. The land was divided into two-acre farm lots and half-acre town lots. By 1870, former slaves who desired to own land could purchase town or farm lots. The Charleston Land Company and the development of Scanlonville is one of four known cooperative ventures between African-American freedmen.”
In summary I think the cross in the image represents this cemetary which is directly north of the beignning of colemand road and the cross and the actual cemetary are almost identical in their locations when you transpose both images on one another. I don’t know if this helps us at all but I think that these weird circles in the image cannot be ignored. They are diffenetly purposful and I think we need to really look at this image in different ways, we should even rotate it, even look at it upsideodwn. Hell, the 79 is written upsidedown, why not analyze it from that angle too!
There are too many clues pointing out towards Mt Pleasant (maybe there maybe beyond there), but it seems
SO RIDICULOUS
to have a literal map of Charleston in the image, have a reference going out towards Mount pleasant (the bridge/tree) to only have a reference go back towards Charelston towards white point gardens. What on earth would be the point of the bridge reference if it didn’t lead you out there. You see the image of Charlelston, you get the reference of the bridge, it leads you out thay way, not back!!!!!
This idea just brushes the surface of what I got right now and what I’ve been working on, but honestly a lot of you guys are being so snobish I dont think I’ll be sharing anything else anymore on here. You guys sure do know how to push people down and shut down any idea that doesnt fit your own theory. Im out.

you sure those arent artifacts? try looking at the image in the expedition unknown episode and see if you can spot them.
the one is particularly noticeable.
but i see at least 4. other than the 2 you note there is one in the black space to the left of the lion’s ear and another to the right of the cross in the lions mane.
so im not sure which you used.
what does a map of coleman road have to do with anything? what is coleman road? where is it? why coleman? what made you overlay the triangle on or around coleman as opposed to elsewhere? what is the connection to coleman?

phinetic

but the traingles dont match, at all. The actual triangle box in the south wall points west and the one in the image points east.

what triangles do you speak of?

are you talking about the triangle sandbox? not only is it exactly the shape it is in the painting…nothing says it has to point the same way…how can a sandbox in a painting be pointing in a cardinal direction? its a painting. its there the colour of sand marked by the shadow of the palm tree (her arms are making).

Seriously fam?
The bend in the pine branch near the pear could represent the bend in Route 703 (Coleman Blvd) as it passes through Mt. Pleasant just east of Charleston. To the southwest of this bend is Patriots Point, which is one of two departure points for ferries to Fort Sumter. Prior to its demolition in 2005, the Silas N.
PEAR
MAN BRIDGE
, PEAR!!!! would have connected at the upper left corner of this map, where Route 703 splits in half to form the on-ramp and off-ramp for the bridge. The bridge passed over Drum Island and connected to the Charleston peninsula.
https://imgur.com/a/9Io1L

wtf are you talking about? i never mention the branch…the branch takes from charleston to georgetown, with the section on the right kicking you down into the islands in the next inlet up. i always said the pear represented pearman bridge, so im not sure wtf it is youre disputing, exactly…
yes the branch takes you over pearman, past patriots point and through down into dewee’s island.

So why do you think its in some area to the south of Fort Sumpters House if all these clues lead out from Charelston towards Mt. Pleasant?

what does any of that have to do with the triangle sandbox? or any triangles whatsoever for that matter?

are you on crack? how do all the clues lead you out of charleston to mount pleasant? you are doing it backwards. you start in mount pleasant and make your way into charleston bro…you literally have to ignore 85% of clues to make that statement…

also, there is the greater puzzle and the treasure hunt…if you follow the treasure hunt clues, you get to the location i have posted. without question lol.

fyi the reason you start across the river is because you would need to start there in order to take the ferry over to Fort Sumter (from Patriot’s Point); and you need to go to Fort Moultrie before that.

one more thing…even by your own logic…wouldnt the cross be on the charleston side? lol

lol bro theres a map of Charleston. Its in the picture. Anyone can get that reference. Theres no reason to have a reference to pearman bridge if it didnt go that way. You’re telling me most people would see the pearman bridge reference and then notice the map of charelston? Answer me this, which one is it:
1) You notice the map of Charleston, and then notice the pearman bridge reference leading you to mount pleasant
2) You notice pearman bridge, and then notice the map of charelston and think its leading you to charelston
What is the purpose?

anus905

one more thing…even by your own logic…wouldnt the cross be on the charleston side? lol

https://imgur.com/a/kYCaR
Can you read a map? Where is the cross? Mt. Pleasant. Is there an age requirement for this website?

sorry i didnt realize you arbitrarily placed a triangle on a map…

could also be the start of the cooper river, which goes from lake moultrie to the ocean.

phinetic

lol bro theres a map of Charleston. Its in the picture. Anyone can get that reference. Theres no reason to have a reference to pearman bridge if it didnt go that way. You’re telling me most people would see the pearman bridge reference and then notice the map of charelston? Answer me this, which one is it:
1) You notice the map of Charleston, and then notice the pearman bridge reference leading you to mount pleasant
2) You notice pearman bridge, and then notice the map of charelston and think its leading you to charelston
What is the purpose?

cause the casque is buried in charleston. the puzzle takes you all over, not all of it relates to the treasure hunt, specifically.
the exact reason, he takes you over the pearman bridge to patriot’s point, is because that is where you would need to go to catch the ferry to fort sumter in 1981…

you actually follow the path the cannons took for the most part.

A while back, Sullivan’s Island Magazine asked me to write an article for them about the ongoing I2 search. Here’s the link in case anyone’s interested:
http://sullivansislandmagazine.com/s/20 … ns-island/

wheres sullivans island?

anus905

wheres sullivans island?

Don’t ever change, Josh.

oh I see, that’s where fort moutlrie is didn’t realize that was a separate island. why do you think its there?! I think that’s in or around where you start. might go back to Dewee’s Island via the butterfly relating to the sea pansy, which is bio luminescent and buries itself in sand.

JamesV

A while back, Sullivan’s Island Magazine asked me to write an article for them about the ongoing I2 search. Here’s the link in case anyone’s interested:
http://sullivansislandmagazine.com/s/20 … ns-island/

Great article James! …did the archeologists ever give you a sense of their process? Do they require some physical evidence (GPR, ground probing) of the casque before they will actually dig? You have such a great solution mapped out in a very specific area. Wondering what ‘steps’ are required on their end to move forward.

Vesey has been a focal point at times but I think there’s other considerations that might fit better.
Freedom also means Liberated.
“Freedom at the birth of a century” could be a person born in Liberia more than 100 years ago. Hilary Richard Wright Johnson (b. 1837) became the first African born President of Liberia in 1884.
The link that Charleston has to Liberia is significant and the connection of Liberia’s Edward Wilmot Blyden as referenced to naming of twins Edwin and Edwina in Abroad in America also derserves consideration.

How should I go about discussing this image with verse 8?

erexere post it on this thread and verse 8 thread (just copy it over there)
can’ t wait and hi

Nice post Thanar,
welcome to the fun house
One point to highlight from your rundown
“lane
two twenty two”
Starts off the verse and the first lines of the verses are both
specfic and cryptic in that they put you in a very very exact spot to then
follow the rest of the clues (on the poetic journey as it were)
If you start off at the right spot as BP you are more than half on your way.
‘Lane’ by itself is significant that the road you are on should be obvious, directional,
and unmistakeable.  I believe the draw bridge onto Sullivan Island fits this bill.  (No turning arouind
once you get started)
‘Two twenty two” by itself is also significant.  It recomfirms that you were on the
right lane.  The road onto Sullivan Island from the draw bridge is ‘Station twenty two’ and
just a street in when you are forced to bear right, you are confronted with ‘Station twenty two 1/2’
So there in fact, from the proper ‘Lane’ you are on twenty-two and then when you ask yourself,
should I be going right?, you are confronted with the ‘second’ twenty-two.  Heading to Fort Moultrie.

Greetings fellow armchair treasure hunters,
I’ve only been working on The Secret for about 1 month, initially through downloading the images and verses, and reading the extended threads for the casques in Houston, TX and Milwaukee, WI.  I just received a used copy of the actual book in the mail, I decided to read through this entire thread today.  Here are my current beliefs regarding Image 2 / Verse 5:
1)  The casque is definitely in the Charleston, SC area.  The combination of the 32/33 79/80 lat/long box, the map of rivers and land masses in the mask, and the precise shape of Fort Sumter in the second mask put this into the DEFINITE category for me.
2)  The Verse 5 argument for the Fort Meier area is in the “very good possibility” category for me, but not definite.  The 22 1/2 = “Lane two twenty two” is almost a match, but is just enough of a reconfiguration to leave some room for doubt in my mind.  Same with L’on avenue matching the large lion in the image – possibly.  I like the granite walls connection to the Fort itself.  But I’m not sure that the “A wingless bird ascended” is supposed to point to the Balloon Hoax of Edgar Allen Poe.  In his story, the balloon started in England and arrived (descended) on Sullivan’s Island, so why isn’t the clue “A wingless bird descended”?
3)  As for the particular tree and white marker found by lobster411 (great post by the way!), I have one main reason why I don’t think it is the right location:  The distance from the tree to the white stone marker was described in this way: “It was 25 steps.  That’s 12 1/2 of my paces.” .  As far as I know, the definition of “pace” is ambiguous, either one step or two (see
http://www.letterboxing.info/articles/00000014.php
).  Can we determine which definition is used in The Secret from the “100 paces” distance mentioned in verse 8 for the Milwaukee, WI casque?  I know that one hasn’t been found either, but most of the path for it was nailed down pretty well, so was that based on 5 foot or 2 1/2 foot long paces?
4)  Some have suggested that the three bands of color in the Fort Sumter shaped mask are red, white and blue, matching the French flag in the display near there.  I have examined my book very carefully under bright light and judge that the colors are in fact red, yellow, and green.  The yellow is clearly different in color than the white star to the right of it, and the green is definitely different from the blue present on the rest of the image.  I believe the red/yellow/green combination is another pointer to the Africa country theme, because these three colors are known as the Pan-African colors:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-African_colors
So, there’s my first post, for what it is worth!
Thanar

Whoops, my post above under (3) should read “I have one main reason why I’m UNSURE IF it is the right location”, rather than “I don’t think”…
Thanar

No bites on this one?  Thoughts?  Confirm or deny,  I know it looks absurd.  I know it doesn’t look to fit in BP’s style, but maybe it does for JJP.

Hummm.  Creative…  Not bad.  Thanks Fenix, I was expecting “hallucination”.

I actually also looked into Hampton Park when I joined the hunt last year– that area’s gone through a lot of changes in recent decades, but back in the 1980s it would’ve been a dark, secluded place, perfect for BP to have buried a casque at night. I didn’t personally find any clues which might indicate that a casque is buried there, though.
Fun fact: the late, great Pat Conroy, a Lowcountry author, included a few scenes in his novel “The Lords of Discipline” (1980) which mentioned how Hampton Park used to be home to a small zoo… including a lion. Oddly enough, the book also had a scene which discussed how Chief Osceola’s body was stolen from Fort Moultrie in the dead of night…

JamesV

I actually also looked into Hampton Park when I joined the hunt last year– that area’s gone through a lot of changes in recent decades, but back in the 1980s it would’ve been a dark, secluded place, perfect for BP to have buried a casque at night. I didn’t personally find any clues which might indicate that a casque is buried there, though.
Fun fact: the late, great Pat Conroy, a Lowcountry author, included a few scenes in his novel “The Lords of Discipline” (1980) which mentioned how Hampton Park used to be home to a small zoo… including a lion. Oddly enough, the book also had a scene which discussed how Chief Osceola’s body was stolen from Fort Moultrie in the dead of night…

There are no tangible clues in Hampton Park, unless you count the Wayside Inn and the Fountain, maybe the bandstand.

We know Edward Wilmot Blyden lived in Sierra Leone and his grandson Edward Wilmot Blyden III became the first advisor to the president.
Sierra Leone borders the country of Liberia, which we know has it’s roots in the history of Charleston, SC.
We also know Sierra leone is also a major player in the diamond mining industry,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining_in_Sierra_Leone
I’ve been attempting to answer the question of what about Sierra Leone or Liberia helps point us in the right direction of a location in Charleston? (see verse 6 discussion)
I’ve been thinking the teeth of the pendant/clock/Sumter are jagged like the teeth of a saw or the triangles are like facets of a diamond.
I’m also wondering if the triangles are an attempt to recognize the
http://www.landofthebrave.info/triangular-trade.htm

33 79/80 is the latitude and longitude of Charleston SC. There are lots of posts i know but if you read them a bit it explained. I like your idea on the poet but it seems kind of unrelated. is there anything connecting her to SC? Also if you could make an image of the ship you see above pear that would be awesome. Im trying hard to see it but have no frame of reference. Good to have you!  🙂

The clock seems to most obviously be pointing us towards Ft. Sumter.  The casque may be nowhere near the fort but we believe this is what got us in the general vacinity of SC.

erexere

tj, I like the pillory idea, it certainly fits snug as one way to interpret those lines.  I wonder if the information about it’s being located there in 2006 was inaccurate in some way.  Why would they put it there to begin with?  It’s historical right?  Perhaps there was evidence of that history back in the 80’s.
I’ve had a lot of fun analyzing this image and it’s verse.  I have a feeling I’m no where close to understanding it.

I wondered that (hah enough to probably warrant a second call) too. And there is another pillory in front of the Powder Magazine downtown. And it stands next to two guns. (Attached)
Yeah the divided camps for the verse fit to this image doesn’t help in narrowing any one location. As I’ve said, I’d be happy to do any ground work here locally. Just trying to find a spot that’s actually “dig-able” as if it’s on historic property I think we we may be out of luck.
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Also, as much as I like Charles Towne Landing, if we are going on the basis of seeing a major landmark or character for the city, one cannot see Fort Sumter from Charles Towne Landing…

I think people hold on to the idea that a clue must always be a physical place or object.  It sure makes sense to name a street or identify a major landmark shape, but then the digspot can still be miles away depending on the theme choice.  Does the fruit fall far from the tree?  Most say it doesnt.  It all depends.  Line of sight becomes especially important once youve identified the final markers.  I dont think Sumter is a final marker.  I dont think this is a very easy puzzle.  The verse is extremely hard to find anything that suits it.
Major theme to contend with is Africa, then Civil War because of the historic relevance of Charleston.  I keep tbinking Preiss would want us to ask the question of what would those specific fairies do with the jewel?  The references about the African tree spirits and earth born star (diamond) from the supporting pages must figure in somehow.  Africa is hot often it becomes difficult to find water.  The Bilibao (i forget how to spell it…got hobbits on the brain) tree was a keeper of massive amounts of water.  I say my ideas concerning cisterns is the way to go.  Ive identified Cape Romain as the location that fits best but maybe thats wrong.  Maybe theres a cistern to be found in Charles Towne Landing or somewhere else nearer to Charleston or Sumter.

Deuce

Thought I added a comment in that post. Guess not. I just haven’t seen this mentioned as a state outline. I know this image is SC and everything but thought I would add this to the thread. If it was mentioned already my bad.

This is good though! I think that image is a good confirmed of the state…just wish we could decide on either a verse or a spot in Charleston. I think with either of those pieces one could wholeheartedly work toward a single solution for this area.
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Charles Towne Landing Historic Site
If the image is inverted, this swampy water area resembles the marks on the Lion’s Forehead.
http://goo.gl/maps/svBTj

I was talking to erexere about Charles Towne Landing at one point. There was a theory I had developing but the thing that killed it (my theory anyway) was the “…two arms extended…below the bar that binds…” part. I always thought that a pillory fit these lines and one of only two pillories that I know of that exist in Charleston is in Charles Towne Landing. I called them and asked and they told me their pillory was put there in the last decade (2006 if I remember right).
And if anyone else were to mention that they like a pillory for those lines, the only other one that I’ve seen around, was just walking by it by chance, was at the Powder Magazine.
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tj, I like the pillory idea, it certainly fits snug as one way to interpret those lines.  I wonder if the information about it’s being located there in 2006 was inaccurate in some way.  Why would they put it there to begin with?  It’s historical right?  Perhaps there was evidence of that history back in the 80’s.
I’ve had a lot of fun analyzing this image and it’s verse.  I have a feeling I’m no where close to understanding it.

so if the pillory, was put there in 2006, where did it come from, or is it a replica
maybe need to call again, would they let you see the docs on the info

the one at Charleston Battery Museum, is a replica
http://www.flickr.com/photos/51744281@N08/4870759814/

Trohn

you are reading the map correctly.
The mask is representative of Fort Sumpter.

Kinda like the map thing.  Looks alot like some of digger’s ideas on the “Possible Clues” thread.  The limbs pointing down to the jewel.  Sullivan’s Island.  Can we nail the darn verse now?  WTF?

Hi Mr. Backstop! You mentioned the girl referencing the capstan. Have you seen the statue on at Gibbes Museum of Art on Meeting Street? I believe the girl in Image 2 is a reference to her. Animal Painter posted a picture on Oct 18, 2009 post, 6:38 pm. It is on page 25 of this thread. I read something about the way the girl is drawn as being a nod to the Flying Charleston and the Hand to Hand Charleston (dances). (Crossed legs, hand to hand and wings to fly) I thought that was pretty clever.

Has anyone seen this?  Located just a tad northeast of Charleston.  It’s an ariel shot with # 80 just sitting there.  I believe it’s Bull Island in SC.
http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image. … Y=9105&W=1
The shape looks like Charleston.

cw,
ck was all into that research with the anchor, but now i can’t remember if that was for image 3…….but then i remember looking in charleston for an anchor before
that quote from the book about “edwin and edwina” must be to show this is for charleston and blyden, so verse 6 for sure goes with charleston, but i guess we could have the wrong image, lol………….but this is a puzzle so …….that “or” sure makes it a puzzle, lol
with the colon in verse 6, just seems there’s some kind of word puzzle, code, there somewhere
breaking it down into the simplest, if the field guide has anything to it, we have the GARDENgoyle, and the BOOGIE man…………..garden and dances, or music
that would seem to be the bandstand, and it has bars on it, and i believe the flagpole for “stand” is close to it, and “simms” is close to it for the “harken to the words”, and maybe even the water fountain is close to it, i just don’t know.
i am trying to find out if blyden gave any speeches there
i know i get sidetracked easily, but fox’s saying “twins”, got me to thinking of pairs, pears, and there is that pear in the image, and i know we think that’s for the bridge, but what if it has  a “double” (lol) meaning in the picture
my computer is acting up, so gotta save a bunch of stuff today, (don’t want to lose my pictures, like what happened to ck, i’d be sick)

oops, sorry bout that FB….  Just trying to generate more interest again on a P that we are SURE of the city location…

This clinches it for me. Right next to that white thing I’m always on about, next to the church (yeah, yeah)…
…this.
The trail follows Poe Ave from the lighthouse to Moultrie. My reading of those final lines is:
Beneath the only standing member
Of a forest
To the south
Just south of the church on Osceola
White stone closest
At twelve paces
This white stone thing, close to St Mary, Stella Maris, at the junction of Station Twelve St (“at 12”) and Osceola (“at twelve paces”, duellist), also confirmed by 12 and 04 on the clock (it’s 1204 Middle St) and star. Trail begins with a lighthouse and ends at Stella Maris, the beginning and ending tied up by the “star of the sea” theme.
From the west side
Get permission
To dig out.
Casque is buried on the west side (where those wires are), “permission” probably being a pun on “by mission” (church) or something.

Noting compass magnetic declination for Charleston, SC in 1980 is 4 degrees 26 minutes West.
Here is the Polyphemus moth,

I think my approach to finding the lion will be to knock on doors in the area and ask, “Have you seen this lion?”
I’m serious.  If there is an actual lion image in the area, I think would be a very effective approach.

Unknown

Unknown:
I think my approach to finding the lion will be to knock on doors in the area and ask, “Have you seen this lion?”

That is logical, but be prepared to be considered crazy by the locals. We got many weird looks while digging in Milwaukee.

forest_blight

be prepared to be considered crazy by the locals. We got many weird looks while digging in Milwaukee.

Crazy is fine.
By the way, where can I find information about the Milwaukee dig?  I checked the appropriate image and verse threads, but can not seem to find anything.
Did you get some sort of digging permit or permission, or did you just go out and dig?

At one time there was a lion in a park across from The Citadel.  I mentioned in an earlier post.

There is also a Vietnam era helicopter on the Parade Grounds of The Citadel.
That’s so far away from Ft. Moultrie though….

Unknown

Unknown:
By the way, where can I find information about the Milwaukee dig?  I checked the appropriate image and verse threads, but can not seem to find anything.

The Verse 8 thread has oodles and oodles of information on the unsuccessful Milwaukee dig. We did seek – and received – permission to dig.

Who did you get permission from?
Another problem:  If we find the correct tree,  if we are 100% certain that it is the right tree, there is still 360 degrees worth of dirt that it could be in.  What side of the tree should one dig on?  How close or far from the base?

Unknown

Unknown:
If we find the correct tree,  if we are 100% certain that it is the right tree, there is still 360 degrees worth of dirt that it could be in.  What side of the tree should one dig on?  How close or far from the base?

If we’re still talking about V2 (are we?), then the verse is clear:
At twelve paces / From the west side
. A pace is about a yard, so go 12 yards west of… whatever we’re supposed to go 12 yards west of, then dig.

My thoughts (and it depends on how you read it) is that the “ONLY STANDING MEMBER” is the one that has a white stone closest, then 12 paces west from there.  I know usually people take it to mean a white stone 12 paces west from the only standing member.

I am probably going to get flamed for this (especially from Cat) but here goes.
Although the Charleston coast seems quite obvious on the large mask….there are so many other things in this P that keeps leading me back to NM.  sorry cat.
1.  also on the large mask
a.  there seems to be an obvious letter outlining the left eye (n)…now going over both eyes could be an (m) = NM?
b.  look at the lines extending down from the eyes of the mask.  I think they look very similar to the NM state flag :
http://educationamerica.net/facts/flags/nm_flag_l.gif
…known as a Zia symbol.
2.  The smaller mask clock (yes…shaped as Ft Sumter) could also represent a style of a Hopi indian kachina mask.  These masks, interestingly enough have many types of symbols displayed on the cheeks:
” Harold S. Colton (12) describes the five types of masks manufactured by the Hopi: , a half-mask for the upper half of the face; a circular mask; a spherical sack mask; and a helmet mask. This latter type, as the most characteristic kachina mask, is a cylinder formed from rawhide with a circular top piece sewn on to the top. The painting of each type is different and such various accessories as ears, noses, snouts and horns are attached. Most are ornamented with feather headresses. No attempt is made at realism when painting a mask that represents an animal or plant Kachina because the mask does not represent the object itself but the spirit of the object that is visualized as having a human form. Paint color is significant as it is symbolic and indicates the direction from which each Kachina came. Hence, Kachina masks painted yellow, green, red or white denote one of the Hopi six directions:
a. ;
b. ;
c. ;
d. White refers to the East or Northeast;
e. All the above colors taken together refer to the Zenith or (the direction) “up”;
f. Black refers to the Nadir or (the direction) “down.”
Furthermore, symbols serving as important distinguishing marks are often painted on the forehead or of the mask. The principle symbols can be classified as:
a. Animals and bird tracks;
b. such as clouds, lightning, sun, moon, and ;
c. Vegetable symbols: corn, flowers, cactus, etc.;
d. A pair of vertical lines under the eyes represents the footprint of a warrior;
e. An inverted “V” over the mouth indicates certain kachina officials;
f. Phallic symbols represent fertility. “
3.  a pear in NM?  perhaps a prickly pear cactus?  http://www.davidpride.com/USA/NewMexico/NM_02.htm  note the coloration of the cactus flowers compared to the pear in the P.
4.  the tree limb in P is the Pinon Pine or the state tree of NM
http://www.50states.com/tree/newmexico.htmnote
, most pines have single needles while this pine contains double needles…which are very noticeable on the upper branch farthest to the left in P2.  Also, could the pear hanging on the pine = pair or double needles?
I know Cat……I’m sorry, just had to air my thoughts.  Is there anyway NM ties into Charleston since that coastline is hard to dismiss?
just more to bandy about……    :-X

Awesome thats all i can say….
never say die fox  😉

thanks for the tour around the park c3. as i stated before, i really like your connections of the lines of the V and the monuments you come across in same order walking through the park…but one thing concerns me.  Although the above mentioned matches fit….I can’t help but notice that those monuments (or any other images in the park) match any shape to a tee (as in egg’s find in Cleveland).  Maybe each P has different confirmers (not all exact matches)?  The only things in this P are SC-Charleston coastline in strange mask and the small mask similar to Ft. Sumter….other than that…?
There is something I just noticed that maybe someone could blow up.  There appears to be below/behind the pear which extends down behind the flower.  Any ideas what this is?  Once we figure out what it is…maybe we are to look for a pair of them since they are behind a pear.

I received the Cleveland paper describing egg’s find today and noticed the clues mentioned around P4 near the end of the article.  One that stood out was the flower above the bell = Bellflower Rd.  Now, is there anything like this in P2?  I was focusing on the small mask (Ft. S) and was trying to use the lines on the cheek along with the star on the cheek but could not come up with a Starline or Linestar nearby.
Just something else to consider….

Being a new charter member to Wilhouse’s DTYD club myself,  I can feel your disappointment.  But I can also tell you that it is far better to be able to put a shovel in it and try and dig it up than to know a possible location where permission is not granted to dig at all.  Been there done that.  You are out of the arm chair–think about it
—
you really went digging for buried treasure.
Just like in Milwaukee–there seemed to be part of the verse that we could never really account for.  Yours is that darn wingless bird.  Or like you said–its a different verse.  Look over your pictures in a few weeks–try to divorse yourself from previous asumptions– and see it with new eyes–see if something strikes you.  Nice job all around.

I went today and found nothing.  We dug 4 feet deep over an area of about 16 square feet.  This took 4 hours.  This is the area where the casque would have been expected to be.  Possible reasons the casque was absent include:
1)  They were moved/found/decimated when new water and electrical pipes were put in underground after hurricane Hugo (1989).
2)The casque is actually under the tree, which is NPS property.  Even in 1981, it was a major offense to dig on NPS property.  I expect a man of BP’s genious would not make such a simple error as putting this where no one can possibly dig.
3) I used the wrong verse.  I personally do not believe this to be the case.  Everything fit perfectly.
Looks like no one owes anyone a dollar yet.
Thoughts?

Well, here’s my 2 cents anyway.  The other casques I think were buried by stone walls.  I can’t see a tree being part of any dig site.
At least you have a shovel in the ground though.  Good work Lobster.
As far as the verse goes, you made it fit real nicely.  Yet it still goes real nicely in NY.  Will it ever be proven either way?  Who knows.

As I have said previosuly,
if it were not for the Cleveland find,
we may all be thinking that this was a big hoax.
Verse and Image fit here just as they fit in Milwaukee.
The tree is in the same spot.
The rock is in the same spot.
Is there possibly another rock and tree?  (unlikely)
“Beneath the only standing member
of a forest
to the south”
“Get permission
to dig out”
You did not need ‘permission’
to dig where you were today.
The white stone seems to be for verification
of the ‘only standing member’
You have now given a good casue to
believe it is on NPS property.
I wonder if he hid this on just like he hid
the Houston one or if he did get permision….
I feel your frustration.

I disagree with boogie about the tree – the Milwaukee verse is pretty explicit about it being buried at the foot of a tree. Why should this one be any different?
And I agree completely with Trohn (for once!).
Paraphrased, the end of the verse could read:
Dig beneath the tree that’s all alone to the south,
You know – the one that has a white stone 12 paces west of it.
And you’ll need to ask before you dig.
or…
Dig beneath the tree that’s all alone to the south,
You know – the one that’s nearest to the white stone.
But you’ll have to walk 12 paces due west first.
The upshot is that the treasure could be (a) on the NPS side of the white stone or (b) 12 paces west of the tree, ignoring the stone altogether. These are different because the stone isn’t exactly due west (as the raven flies!). Pacing off a treasure location was likely a deliberate play on the fact that Poe’s “The Gold Bug” – one of the best treasure hunting stories ever – was set on Sullivan’s Island, and pacing off locations is a classic part of unearthing buried pirate treasure in fiction.
In “The Gold Bug,” by the way, they get the location wrong at first (Jupe couldn’t tell his right from left, and it turned out to be very important). But they realize their mistake and on the second try they find the treasure. The moral: don’t give up!
I very much doubt that BP got permission before burying the casque on NPS property, because then someone else would have known a casque location, something he kept closely guarded. Even JJP knew only a couple of locations.

lobster411

I went today and found nothing.  We dug 4 feet deep over an area of about 16 square feet.  This took 4 hours.

welcome to wilhouse’s “dig till you drop club”
there are several members.  you are the newest.
the only perk to being in this club is calluses…
wilhouse

I can’t shake the belief that BP would be smarter than to bury it on NPS property, but it seems like the tree may be a viable option.  In the book, it was written that if one correctly solved the riddle, and was unable to dig it up, they could write in their solution and get the jewel anyway.  Could this be worth contacting Bantam Books about?

Hey folks, just wanted to post 2 possibilities for this image:
I believe it’s a possibility that this P represents Boston. Both of these aerial views resembles the mask above the fairy.
http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image. … d%20States
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/map_item. … eye+view+o
f+Boston,+United+States.+T.+Sulman,+del.&style=citymap&legend=
One last thing, the baseball home plate. It has the look of a monster. Could this be a reference to Fenway Park, home of the ‘green monster’?
Also, for some reason I have the urge to associate Verse 9 with this P.
The first chapter
written in water
Perhaps a reference to the Boston Tea Party, which was the start (first chapter) of the American Revolution.
Lion perhaps symbolizes King George III? The ‘birthmark’ on the head of the Lion sort of resembles England.
Pear – America’s oldest pear tree happens to be the Endicott Pear Tree which was planted in 1852 and actually still stands, although it’s located in Danvers which is about 30-60 minutes north of Boston.
http://www.ars-grin.gov/ars/PacWest/Cor … .pear.html
I admit, it might be far fetched after you all have already made many more connections with other cities than me but all possibilities are open until it’s solved.

Just a quick update on my own progress…after a few months of emails, the National Park Service ultimately denied my dig request. It’s a little disappointing, but completely understandable given the location. The NPS staff I worked with were very open-minded about the whole thing, and they seemed pretty interested in the progress of the continuing hunt!
It was a little challenging to scour Fort Moultrie for clues from the other side of the world, so special thanks goes to TJGrey and Erexere for taking a look at my I2/V5 theory. I’ll try to get a write-up posted this week, just in case the resources/reasoning I used would be helpful to any of the other hunters out there.

I’m pretty sure “the only standing member of a forest to the south” refers to Osceola(as in Osceola National Forest in Florida), whose tomb is in Fort Moultrie where he died while imprisoned, and whose ceremonial headdress was made from three ostrich feathers, which would connect the “wingless bird” part.  Additionally, keeping with the African theme of this puzzle, more than 50% of African slaves brought to North America were processed through Sullivan’s Island.
Anyhow, Osceola’s tomb is probably key.  I’m in Charleston on vacation for a few more days. Fort Moultrie, here I come!

Has anyone else noticed what looks like a curvy arrow pointing right to Drum Island? I wonder if it’s intentional.

Looks to be a whole lot going on in the map here.  How about this one in the butterfly…

erexere

This is great work. My favorite part is how the guided tour was available in the same basic form. I’m thinking these sorts of insights are really key to many of the remaining puzzles.
So James, what are you going to work on next?

I think I’ll probably drag my feet on this location around for just a little while longer…I still plan to visit Fort Sumter in October, at least to meet with the NPS team in person and thank them for all their help over the past few months. Needless to say, conducting a “rogue dig” is pretty much out of the question for this site. I’m not sure if there’d be any local media interest in the story like there has been in Milwaukee or Houston, but who knows?
This may have been all it took to get me hooked on the armchair treasure hunts, though! I’ve been going back and forth through everyone’s previous work on two other possible locations, since I’ll be spending the next year back in the US. Shovel at the ready…

With consideration of the May issue of National Geographic in 1913 and the article titled the Monsters in Our Backyards, about insects, I think an interesting notion about identifying the wings of the woman in the Charleston image as that those of the Polyphemus moth, the same name as the “monster” in Calypso’s backyard, Polyphemus who was blinded by Odysseus during his escape from the island.
Combine this with the notion that Denmark Vesey also had the same name as the son of Odysseus and that he bought his freedom at the birth of a century in Charleston we start seeing how the puzzle takes context.

Something I have often found myself wondering about this P is why would a location in SC have an african feeling P representing it?  Lions, african masks, etc…..  Does that spell out SC to you….?…..nor I… Until now that is.  And the connection will kick you in the rump.
http://www.streetswing.com/histmain/z3chrlst.htm
also, look down in the middle of the page where it says alternate pattern names are:
Flying Charleston, Hand to Hand Charleston, Crossed Arm Charleston etc….  flying..?..hand to hand..?..crossed arm..?.. sounds kind of like our butterfly lady.
hope I’m not the only one who likes this fit…seems pretty concrete to me.

shecrab

So why hasn’t anyone dug anything up in Charleston? If you’ve been working on it that long, why hasn’t anyone found anything yet?

Wow.  I go on hiatus for a couple of months, and people being to light up this thread again.
The explored location was dug at twice.
EVERY part of the verse fit.  Even directions and distances were accurate.
The only cryptic part of the verse is whether the casque is buried at the tree or the white rock.
If it is buried under the tree, it is on the property of the National Park Service and is completely irretrievable.  To say that it wouldn’t make sense to bury it here is misdirected.  Preiss buried these in secret in the dead of night.  He lacked permission to dig anywhere, and while I’d like to think he’d have the forsight to not bury it here, it should not be ruled out as a possibility.
If it is buried at the rock, it has been displaced or destroyed.  Since 1982, the spot was hit by Hurricane Hugo, displacing up to a foot of the sandy ground.  Since then, 3 kinds of pipe have been laid over the exact spot the casque should be.  That means that dirt was clumsily moved by indiscriminate bulldozers thrice.
Why wasn’t the casque found?  It is either impossible to retrieve, or it is scattered in hundreds of beautifully unique shards over several hundred feet of earth.
I appreciate hope as much as the next guy, but I don’t think anyone could ask for a more perfect solution than the one I tried to employ.  I hesitate to say ‘mine,’ because many here did far more work than I.
Continue on whatever strand you have if you must.  I pray that you’ll be able to tell me you told me so, but I have no shred of uncertainty as to the solution to this riddle.

Unknown

Unknown:
Continue on whatever strand you have if you must.  I pray that you’ll be able to tell me you told me so, but I have no shred of uncertainty as to the solution to this riddle.

I am encouraged in this hunt only because after 20 years, a casque was still found underground. That is really the only thing that keeps me interested in it–I do not care if I “win” anything or if what I do win is worth any dollar figure.
Thing is, I know you all say you have these “perfect” solutions–and believe me, I’ve been through every post on here and tweleve.org as well, and followed as many links as possible, when they work–and still I can’t help feeling that you sometimes “talk yourselves into” a solution more than have a perfect one. That’s not a criticism–not by any means. I may be doing the same thing here–and only my own experiences will tell me if that is the case.
But a lot of times, what I see is that once a location is possible, or once there is some marker found to link a verse and an image, that few other ideas are entertained.
Again–I’m not criticizing, this is the observation of someone who read all the posts at one time–from beginning to end. It may not be easy to see this pattern emerging if you’re starting a thread and posting every day or week for a long while. And there are far fewer of you who are actively doing this hunt, so you tend to believe in each other more than if you were not known well to each other, or just single members of a very large forum.
So, that said, I will say that I don’t have this image (2) paired with the verse(s) you have used. I have it paired with Verse 10. The markers, the image elements, the latitude and longitude and the map all fit very tightly–I have not dug there yet, because the ground is frozen and will be for some time. And the areas I would need to visit are now closed.
I understand that there might be some shifts in landscape and location over the past two decades. However, I can’t help thinking that Preiss would have chosen locations where this would be less likely to happen. Who knows, really? I don’t yet. And I’m not claiming that my solution to this image/verse is correct–only a casque will prove that. I’ll post my solution after I go there and scout out the terrain and possibly try to dig. If I’m wrong, then I’ll post it and we can all laugh at my folly.
As far as I’m concerned there is no certainty until something has been found or until all possibilities have been entertained equally.
And remember, this is not criticism of anyone here or their methods–it’s just my opinion coming at it from the ‘outside’ and from a distance away.
ck

That white stone IS a benchmark, but it is called a “Triangulation Disk” it is a different form of a benchmark.
It sounds like it is there.
By the way, those three colors seem to be the French Flag colors.
I think we got it.

shecrab

And there are far fewer of you who are actively doing this hunt, so you tend to believe in each other more than if you were not known well to each other, or just single members of a very large forum.

I hear you, shecrab. Passionate defense of cherished theories keeps the debate raging and motivates us to look for more confirming evidence. But the fact that multiple theories are entertained by the group is a good thing. I think anyone here would be more than happy to have their favorite theories quashed if it meant finding a casque in an unexpected location.
And for the record, I believe only 1% of what trohn says. But it’s that 1% that keeps me coming back for more!

forest_blight

And for the record, I believe only 1% of what trohn says. But it’s that 1% that keeps me coming back for more!

Finally, I am being heard!!!

um…Did you say something?
edit: shecrab, I’m with FB on this.  Meaning, I hope you are right.  I love V10 for NY, but i’ll give it to you on a platter.  I have a strong gut feeling for NY.  I had the “moment” of clarity for sure, but I’m not 100%.  I can see it fitting almost anywhere with a grey giant and a bridge.  Why not Canada?  But, P2?  What lats and longs do you have?  Maps?  Landmarks?  Call me crazy, but I think out of all the unsolved images, Charleston has got to be the closest to 100% as you can get.  I’m curious, but I’ll wait til spring if you feel that strongly.  Ah, 2 more weeks! LOL

MrSeabass

Notice how there’s no image of California in the San Francisco image. Notice how there’s no image of Texas in the Houston solve.

the map of California is under her right arm, above the table.
the map of the texas coast (where houston is) is behind the djinn fountain.

I still think it’s confusing that there are people still using two different verses to solve this.

phinetic

I still think it’s confusing that there are people still using two different verses to solve this.

I constantly go back and try all the verses on different images to see if there is something I have missed.

phinetic

I still think it’s confusing that there are people still using two different verses to solve this.

The thing that baffles me is people trying to promote a theory by using a verse, without citing parts that are verbatim on plaques or statues, or using exact matches from a related image. It’s short prose, anything can tunnel to anything.

drunknerds

The thing that baffles me is people trying to promote a theory by using a verse, without citing parts that are verbatim on plaques or statues, or using exact matches from a related image. It’s short prose, anything can tunnel to anything.

While there are definitly image matches from the casque location, were there verse matches in Cleveland or Chicago that matched plaques or statues?

Seabass –
Let me tell you why I think you’re wrong, just like youre telling me why I’m wrong.
1) In both casques that were found the state was outlined in the painting. Yes, I understand there is a map of Cahrleston is in the picture, my point is that Byron used outlines in the previous two images. The purpose to acknowledge that this is an outline of SC atleast allows us to possibly look away from the branches and trying to make any sense of them and waste time looking for something. I dont know why you dont think this could be the outline. Here is a imagine from another painting:
https://imgur.com/a/ga5g5
Not perfect, but its there. I dont think anyone can say for sure whether it is or not an outline.
2) You posted a picture from Hampton Park in 1971, which is way, way too early. If you look at aerial picture in 1989 (
https://imgur.com/a/T4KwZ
), you can clearly see a similar outline and image as it is today. Unless you know for a fact what the detail was when Byron burried the casques in the early 80s I’ll take your dismissiveness which a large grain of salt.

Ok guys I did some digging to try and atleast solidify Image 2 with Verse 6. I specifically did some digging regarding “Edward and Edwina named after him”
This exact line is in the book “Abroad in America” and links a man by the name of Edward Blyden. Doing some research I found quite a few essays and papers written about Blyden and found some good stuff. One is that he was an educator, politician in Liberia (fitting the African theme). Most of you all know this I think. However I found a really interesting fact reading a dissertation (yes, I read part a dissertation for this) and found this very, very interesting!!
“Sierra Leone, unlike Nigeria or Ghana, began mining mineral resources only in
1929. It was at the time an important producer of
diamonds
and iron. It is important to
note that it was
after the death of Edward Wilmot Blyden in 1912, that mineral mining
began in both Liberia and Sierra Leone.
The reason for this development was that the
colonial powers blockaded the development efforts of the Creoles. They accused the
Creoles (African Americans) of being responsible for poisoning the minds of the natives
against the colonial powers.”
“Moreover, the freed black’s anticipation that they were going to become rich upon their
emigration to Africa proved false as some of them lived in poverty. Others who
established their own companies obtained reasonable economic gains, but when they
were confronted by the Colonial powers’ blockade they began to experience serious
economic challenges. Creoles no longer had privileged position in village commerce;
they were gradually moved to Freetown and its suburbs from the villages where they
were first settled on arrival from the United States via Nova Scotia and London.”
Liberia seems super important, and, yes:
The national animal of Liberia is the Lion
I have proclaimed to have found pretty “big” things in previous posts, but guys, this cannot be a coincidence. Edward, liberia, the lion, and the diamond.

phinetic

Ok guys I did some digging to try and atleast solidify Image 2 with Verse 6. I specifically did some digging regarding “Edward and Edwina named after him”
This exact line is in the book “Abroad in America” and links a man by the name of Edward Blyden. Doing some research I found quite a few essays and papers written about Blyden and found some good stuff. One is that he was an educator, politician in Liberia (fitting the African theme). Most of you all know this I think. However I found a really interesting fact reading a dissertation (yes, I read part a dissertation for this) and found this very, very interesting!!
“Sierra Leone, unlike Nigeria or Ghana, began mining mineral resources only in
1929. It was at the time an important producer of
diamonds
and iron. It is important to
note that it was
after the death of Edward Wilmot Blyden in 1912, that mineral mining
began in both Liberia and Sierra Leone.
The reason for this development was that the
colonial powers blockaded the development efforts of the Creoles. They accused the
Creoles (African Americans) of being responsible for poisoning the minds of the natives
against the colonial powers.”
I have proclaimed to have found pretty “big” things in previous posts, but guys, this cannot be a coincidence. I think this concludes that Image 2 goes with Verse 6. After his death mining became prevelant for specifically diamonds in Africa. Let me know what you guys think!!

Great work! I am a huge advocate for historical research into these puzzles.

Some solid research on Blyden, and though I support looking deeper, because Preiss would’ve had his reasons, I think it’s not completely necessary to know the background of the obscure quotes.
I think what needs to be addressed is the unisex name situation. Edwin and Edwina can both be referred to as Ed or Eddy/Eddie. I just realized that the word “eddy” is also used to describe a circular current like a whirlpool or vortex.

Even if we found an outline of South Carolina, or the other states in the other Images, what does this buy us? Getting back to Charleston, there is a very prominent map on the skull. What more do we need?

I forgot to mention something else I noticed. I made a post about things I noticed in the previous solved casques and noticed in each of them the state was outlined and think that if you rotate the picture (which each picture had you do to identify marking / landmarks) you can see the outline of south carolina in the photo.
https://imgur.com/a/OXwIC
It might not be perfect, but niether was the illinois state outline. If anyhting it might atleast allow us to not pay attention to the branches in that particular area?

Hey yall I think my focus here on out is Hampton Park.
1) “During the mid-20th century, the park included a zoo. It was opened in 1932, and an
aviary
was added about six years later.[12] Most of the animals, including a
lion
, were donated to the zoo or bred at the zoo”. I think whats important here is that they had a single lion, and they also had an aviary. For what its worth,
I think that in the top two images within the ferrys wings are two birds, maybe even peacocks.
2) The USS Maine was previous at Hampton Park which has been a focus of a lot of peoples searches.
3)
https://imgur.com/a/pvpdM
This image illistrates the face in both the painting and the overhead view of Hampton Park.
4) Hampton Park itself has a lot of history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hampton_Park_(Charleston)#Union_Cemetery

gManTexas

Even if we found an outline of South Carolina, or the other states in the other Images, what does this buy us? Getting back to Charleston, there is a very prominent map on the skull. What more do we need?

And some interesting lat/log numbers, right?

phinetic

Hey yall I think my focus here on out is Hampton Park.
1) “During the mid-20th century, the park included a zoo. It was opened in 1932, and an
aviary
was added about six years later.[12] Most of the animals, including a
lion
, were donated to the zoo or bred at the zoo”. I think whats important here is that they had a single lion, and they also had an aviary. For what its worth,
I think that in the top two images within the ferrys wings are two birds, maybe even peacocks.
2) The USS Maine was previous at Hampton Park which has been a focus of a lot of peoples searches.
3)
https://imgur.com/a/pvpdM
This image illistrates the face in both the painting and the overhead view of Hampton Park.
4) Hampton Park itself has a lot of history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hampton_Park_(Charleston)#Union_Cemetery

You are hot on my trail. I posted a potential solve a few pages back. Link to PDF is in there.

Did anyone ever come up with a good explanation for the slit-like eyes in the mask and the Ft. Sumpter plan view?  Where they show up in 2 places like that, I can’t help but think there’s some significance.
I think you found the tree, Lobster.  The verse sounds like it’s by the tree, itself, to me.

The only other thought I had was about the pear tree branch in the image.  There’s the pear hanging from it but it doesn’t seem to have pear tree leaves.  I decided the tree was bald cypress from looking at a website of South Carolina trees.  For awhile I was thinking the only standing member of a forest might mean the only bald cypress in an area of other trees, but based on Lobster’s findings, I don’t think so anymore, although I’m still wondering why they aren’t pear tree leaves.

I think the common theory is that the pear represents the Silas Pearman bridge, which would have been where the pear is hanging when the branch is interpreted as a map.  The discrepancy between the needles and the fruit is something that I’ve noticed, but haven’t put much thought into.
…and the findings belong to the group, not just me.

UnprovenFact

If you use the Hobson Monument, you may not need a specific day at a specific hour to create a shadow marking the spot. (And what if it is too cloudy on that particular day and time?)
One could just use the arrow in the base of the monument as the direction marker – regardless of the weather. If the clue really is 12 paces from the monument, just follow the arrow’s direction.

Great point! And that would explain why you are to start on the west side of the monument (where the line for the arrow starts). I appreciate the feedback!

Well, after spending a month working on Image 2 I finally stopped stalling and sent off an email request for a permit to dig. Fingers crossed, wish me luck! I still won’t be back in Charleston until later this year, but I figured I’d send in the request early in case bureaucracy happens. In any case, the casque ain’t found if it’s still in the ground…
FWIW, I’d say there’s only about a 50/50 chance that this request will be approved. In the event that it’s declined or I just never hear back, I’ll start writing up my solution to post either here or on my own blog. The theory is built on a lot of the work that you all have previously done, plus 3 or 4 additional items that I haven’t seen mentioned anywhere yet. Hopefully the thought process and resources I used will be helpful to some other hunters.

Can’t wait to see those three or four additional items
good luck!

Full disclosure: Admittedly, I was not even aware of The Secret until the airing of one of my favorite shows earlier this year. Yes, I am one of those people on here. Unlike the real diehard fans of the book who have been collaborating and searching for years, I just dvr’d an episode of ExU, and here we are. However, I will try to do my best. (If short on time, Scroll to last paragraph for the good part. But where is the fun in that?)
A couple things about me before I get started… First, I do not proclaim to be an expert at anything. If what I have to say sounds uninformed, it might actually be. Second, even I will agree that some of my ramblings may get a little repetitive and off track at times, and I will try to stay as coherent and on-point as I can. No guarantees. Third, I have been reading hundreds of posts and looking at thousands of photos, traveling up and down the streets of Charleston (with Google Maps, of course), perusing magazine and newspaper articles, as well as reading up on the overall history of Charleston and its many museums, forts, historic homes and the people who lived there. If I post something that seems like old news, my apologies. I have so much bouncing around in my head on this that I can’t keep it all straight.
I like Charleston and the surrounding area as a vacation spot. I had been there a few years ago with no knowledge of The Secret. To think I may have been standing on top of it and not even known. After doing some reading, I drove down there earlier this month to poke around a little. Clearly, I didn’t find anything, or my one and only post on here would just read, “Found it!” I formed a plan and made two carefully thought-out lists: One was buildings, parks, streets and forts to inspect, photograph and crawl around. The other was restaurants. I like to eat, and I needed my strength for all that searching.
Now, let’s get to it…
Unfortunately for you all, I kind of have to start at the beginning. For me, that is Image 2. Obviously. Although it appears not everyone is in agreement that it is depicting Charleston, I think I am in the majority who say it is clearly Charleston. The Charleston area has a clear historic link to Africa. By no means am I saying it is a good link, but it is what it is, and we can all learn from history.
Breaking down the parts of Image 2 from top to bottom:
The Lion: I was not able to get a real lion at the zoo to sit still long enough to inspect its face, so I went online for photos to make some comparisons. Overall, the image looks pretty spot-on when compared to photos of actual lions. Some similarities are the general shape and coloring of the head, the eyes and the light patches underneath, and the contemplative look on the face. Some slight differences between the online photos and the Image 2 lion are the shape of the nose, ears and mane. However, I know not all lions are the same, so it seems like the differences are maybe coincidental or artistic preference and not necessarily intended to be clues other than the clear connection to Africa. There is a shadowy image on the forehead. To me, it looks like the designs in the slate rocks used to make sidewalks all over Charleston. Or maybe a rough sketch of a city’s boundary lines. So why a male lion? There are female lions in Africa. Female lions have foreheads. Maybe a male is a more powerful image. Maybe we need the connection of “King” later. Maybe it has to be a male lion, so he can give it a strange hairline and hide markings in the mane that appear to be letters, numbers, and/or shapes. Some think they see “Navy Yard” in the top of the mane. Maybe it is “Heyward”. As for the numbers, we all seem to think we know what they are, so I will move to the Mask.
The Mask: It appears to be a reference to African culture as well. Some tribes or groups would carve masks for specific purposes – rituals, ceremonies, special occasions, war, etc. I found so many examples online. Some are big. Some are small. Some are short. Some are long. Some have huge holes for eyes. Some have tiny slits for eyes. Some have an outline over the eyebrow area. Some are painted. Some have hair, fur, feathers, teeth and such. Some are very crude carvings. Some are beautifully crafted, ornate pieces of art. But not one of the examples I saw online had a map of Charleston on the forehead. Pretty sure it’s Charleston. Moving on…
The “glasses” are not glasses. It looks more like a line (rope) draped over the crossbar or boom of a ship’s mast. Or something very similar. Any sailors, please chime in on the correct terminology. As an example, check out the mast/flagpole at the Carolina Yacht Club located 50 E. Bay Street. Or, really, any sailboat anywhere. The Yacht Club’s flag is a red and blue pennant with a white star in the center. That may come up later.
Now, The Fairy: We are apparently not all in agreement here. Cannons? Peacock feathers? Birds? Eskimo? Cobblestones? Beaches? I think I see a reverse of Sullivan’s Island on her lower right wing. Maybe. While I do see what other people are referring to as cannon(s) and stones and birds, the book talks about fairies, maybe it is just a fairy. But then why not go with a cute little smiling Tinkerbell-looking fairy? I think the image of the woman is more important than her fairy-ness. So, to me, she is not a fairy. She is a woman in a bikini standing in front of some butterfly wings. And for the wings, I would like to think that if JJP wanted to make mirror images of the wings, he would have the talent to do so. There must be some reason that the wings and the images on them are not symmetrical. Back to the woman. Her arms are folded with her hands just under her chin. Some think the shadows formed by her hands resemble a palm tree. Maybe. But I don’t think that correlates with the Verse 6 “Long Palm’s Shadow” unless it is just meant to connect the verse to the image. She has bracelets on which could symbolize slavery. Another post pointed out her resemblance to Wonder Woman. Maybe we are looking for an amazonium mine. Her eyes appear closed. Is she asleep? Just waking up? And why is she wearing what she is wearing? It must be to emphasize her body form. I believe there are only two other painted fairies in the other images – 5 and 11. The Image 5 fairy is a reference to a fountain in which there are several loosely-clothed figures, and fairy 5 is clothed similarly. The Image 11 fairy appears to reference a painting in which the figure is fully clothed, and fairy 11 is again clothed similarly. So, we need to find something similar-looking in the area. A statue or painting maybe. Also, I don’t think there is any writing or numbers in her hair. I think it is again meant to look like something in the area. Her “bikini bottoms” appear to be folded and loose, except for the middle portion. It appears brighter and sharp. An arrow? A sail? Not sure, but it is clearly different from the rest of her outfit.
The Tree: The branch looks like any tree branch on just about any tree. It kind of resembles the shape of the live oak tree branches in the parks. I don’t know that the exact type is as important as the overall reason for it being there. One school of thought is that it is a map of the highway connecting Charleston to Mount Pleasant, and then on to Sullivan’s Island and Fort Moultrie. I understand that Sullivan’s Island was said to be the “Ellis Island of slavery” which further connects the image to Africa. However, while I enjoyed searching all over Fort Moultrie and the surrounding beaches and connecting everything to Poe, Osceola (or Oceola), and so on, I still think the location is Charleston. We might need to know about Sullivan’s Island, Fort Moultrie, Poe, etc. But having everything else point to Charleston just to have the location be on Sullivan’s Island is like having all the clues pointing to San Francisco and saying, “Ok, now let’s go look in Oakland.” Our tree branch may resemble the roads, which have changed since the 80’s, but I think it is more likely that it just represents a tree. It may also be a decorative addition to have something from which the pear and pedant hang.
The Pear: Some think it points us to the Pearman Bridge, which came down after the new Ravenel Bridge opened in 2005. I think it is just a pear. Actually, I think it is a loquat. But rather than paint a loquat and have readers wonder what that funny looking pear is doing there, JJP pained a pear – something most people would recognize. There are loquat trees all over the area, and if I need to make a loose connection here: Loquat… in the Lowcountry? Heh? Maybe not. It is also possible that the faint image below the pear is a base, and the pear resembles a ball shape. This can be seen atop the brick gateposts at some of the historic homes and plantations. Or maybe it’s just a pear.
The Flower: It appears to be a daisy. But the center is not a raised fluffy yellow button like you see on daisies. It is a flat oval shape. Given that the round table in the SF image is thought to be the trolley turnaround, maybe this is also pointing us to something flat and round (or oval) we should be seeing. Like a penny, or a table top. The daisy also has a shadow, which I think is just a possible connection to the verse. Daisy looks like a palm tree, has a shadow… “Beside the Long Palm’s Shadow”. That may be the only connection. It does look pretty busted up for a normally pretty flower. If it is only supposed to resemble a palm or palmetto tree, then ok, it does. Sort of. But if it is intended to reference something else, I don’t yet know what.
The Pendant (Fort Sumter): I don’t get it. We have this beautiful painting of a lion, a mask, a pear and a fairy, and then… a cartoon-looking pendant. Where is all the intricate detail found in the rest of the image? This is just a clock with big goofy eyes and a jacked-up grill. I have looked all over for anything that resembles the mouth. Could be stairs. Maybe a boat of some sort. Maybe it looks like teeth, because it is supposed to resemble the pointy teeth found on some African masks. At first, the eyes looked to me like manhole covers. Look at the sidewalk outside the First Presbyterian Church at Market and Tradd. Maybe they are FDC caps from a specific building we are looking for. Maybe they are really screws. I think they look like Do Not Enter street signs – like those at King and S. Battery… or Church and Water St. Water is a theme in the images and verses, and there is a cross in the lion’s mane. Again, not sure. This next part is a little tricky. Mostly because I just really want it to be right. After looking at the Ft. Sumter pendant and then a map of Charleston, and then back and forth, back and forth, it finally hit me. The Sumter clock is set to 4:00, but it is off-center just slightly. Maybe this is True vs. Magnetic North, maybe something else… like what it refers to is also not quite North and South… like the streets of Charleston.
*Follow me here: If we overlay the Sumter clock hands on the map, they are a near-perfect match for Church and Water St. or Meeting and Water St. including the star on the face matching the star of the yacht club. If we use Church St., we have Do Not Enter signs for eyes. If we use Meeting, we have the manhole covers that we would pass as we move north. Either way, it puts the tip of the hour hand near the stairs on the battery. If we use Meeting St., the tip of the minute hand is near Four Corners of the Law, but more specifically, Washington Park. With Church and Water St. the tip of the minute hand is at the Heyward-Washington House and either way, “White house close at hand”. The HW house is not white, but Washington was a president… White House… Hand of a clock… We are close! I think the Sumter clock is a map to our location. That is why it looks a little off when compared to the rest of the painting. To help it stand out as a “Hey, look at me. Use me.” Then the mouth with 12 white pointy teeth falls right about where White Point Garden is. It is not that the cask location is in WPG, it is just confirming the alignment of our map. If I can tie in the colored bars on the other cheek, we are good to go!
Thanks All!

Other plantations in the area that may be of interest include  Middleton Place Plantation Gardens (which have lakes in the shape of a butterfly, cypress forests and an African American Tour).  In fact, the gardens were built on the backs of slaves.  Also Boone Hall Plantation which have gardens laid out in the shape of butterfly wings.  I EM this place a long time ago to see when the gardens were constructed, done in 1936.  The person who EM’d back said that they could either be a butterfly shape or a spider–are we back in ATT again?
Anyway, these may be of nominal interest if you happen to be in the area or have the time when you go to Charleston FB.

Nothing is certain. This is still a big “what if” game.
Preiss was clever. Clever to what extent…unknown.
A basic scavenger hunt is a collection of clues.
The hunt gets more complicated when split between visual and word clues. It’s further complicated when those clues entertain the possibility of abstraction or symbolic association.

erexere

I have some updates for Cape Romaine following a fact checking of the mythological elements that may be involved. I was mistaken when I said Leto gave birth to twins Apollo and Artemis on the island of Cos. Leto’s birthplace is Cos, but Apollo and Artemis were born on Delos after Leto, transformed into a bird (quail), landed there. Delos is the site of the Terrace of Lions, at least a dozen great stone lion
statues stand in honor of Apollo.

Wow…that theory makes my methodology seem almost lowbrow by comparison!

I am only a guest of the Rabbit but plan to check out his theory within 2 weeks – if his theory dose not pan out is there any others that need to be checked while I am there? I am going to retrace some of the hard work done here to see if I see any new thoughts on it while there but Rabbit’s seems well laid out. If its a miss – I want to make good use of the time there any others that want me to check on if Rabbits dose not pan out? post here and I will check back before we go. And thanks to you Rabbit there is allot of interesting reading here and as of yet the forum admin still has not approved my own log in so thanks for the borrow as well. Happy Memorial Day.

ok…2 things..
-in the left portion of the lions hair, there is an 80-rather obvious once you find it  33/80 is lat/long for charleston, SC
-also check this link out and tell me its not the creepy EXACT physical shape reference weve been looking for. The river system is depicted in the mask forehead. Directly above Charleston ;]
http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image. … d%20States

* i meant the aerial photo was taken directly above charleston…i didnt mean north of it ;]  😮

gotta love it.  here is another map:
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?co … pcode=&sea
rch=++Search++

as long as we may be in Charleston and parks seem to be the locale of choice.  A possibility may be:
http://sciway3.net/outdoors/park-charlestonhampton.html
especially since it is near The Citadel.

Please see my post under Verse 6 about the Old Slave Market–
and did you notice that the little woman figure in the picture is wearing what are commonly known as “slave bracelets?”  Just a thought.

In the past there’s been some interest in Washington Square Park. Eg it’s been pointed out that the “Persephone” statue at the nearby Gibbes museum is a possible match for wonder woman, and the Washington Light Infantry monument is a possible candidate for the ‘mystery obelisk’ on the mask.
Given that the image features a clock signifying April in the shape of Fort Sumter, I also like jstarr’s old observation about the park’s April Fort Sumter time capsule.
I’m just mentioning this place again because I don’t know if it’s been considered much with V5.
Lane
Two twenty two
Although there’s clearly stuff in these verses that you can only see when you’re walking around, the book also claims that you might figure one out without leaving your house. “Two twenty two” might indicate Feb 22nd, Washington’s birthday. This has been mentioned before, but I’m not sure if it’s been explicitly linked with Washington Square Park. I think jstarr and others were only looking at the more popular V6 and ignoring the Poe angle.
Quick Poe reminder: his story “The cask of Amontillado” features “walls of solid granite”, his “Gold Bug” story features buried treasure on Sullivan’s Island found by hanging a weight from a tree, and his “Balloon Hoax” features the arrival there of a hot air balloon (“wingless bird”). There’s also the Citadel link, the logo being a nice match for “Citadel in the night”.
Has anyone investigated any white stone / twelve paces in this place…?

WhiteRabbit

Lane
Two twenty two

WhiteRabbit

There’s also the Citadel link, the logo being a nice match for “Citadel in the night”.

There is an unassuming, industrial street on the east side of Charleston called “Washington Street,” which would mesh well with “lane.” It doesn’t look too promising from Google’s street view, though.
Now
that
is interesting, and not something I recall reading here before. Nice insight.

Just looking around Charleston for any statues that may look like
the butterfly-lady.  Here is one I found.  It is Persephone…which
is located in the courtyard of the Gibbes Museum on the Gateway
Walking Tour.  Notice the similarity of the torso and the rounded belly.
It may just mean that BP went on the Walking Tour on his way to
Washington Square Park…
AP

I have found a Daisy Geyser located near a pear shaped stream, with Lion Geyser and a twist of Roads looking like the African Mask and hanging pendant mask (string and all) in the wood no lion fears because it is the Petrified (frightened) Forest.  Water always veers into the sky with geysers, so and the whistle always sounds for Old Faithful.  Also, the fairy lady’s wings are exactly like the colorful mud pits that bubble through the park.
Check out the area near the Old Faithful Geyser with Google Earth.
(This is just in case you don’t find it where you were already searching).

Merlot Brougham

Again(!), I believe that to mostly be nonsense.

No problem funsun
Merlot, I know you do. That’s what makes these puzzles so entertaining. You think the highlights are simply artistic style and ignore them, that’s why I wrote what I wrote. I see them as quite helpful like in the two that have been found.

Mr. Backstop. Thank you for your worthy input.

funsun

Mr. Backstop. Thank you for your worthy input.

Again(!), I believe that to mostly be nonsense. Palencar uses the same technique throughout his art, and the blue highlights that appear in both solved images did nothing to assist in the solves.

MrBackstop

No problem funsun
Merlot, I know you do. That’s what makes these puzzles so entertaining. You think the highlights are simply artistic style and ignore them, that’s why I wrote what I wrote. I see them as quite helpful like in the two that have been found.

I definitely did/do not ignore them. I find that comment to be pretty patronizing. I formed an opinion about them after taking time and considering the available information. I could easily say “That’s what makes these puzzles so entertaining. You think the evidence is simply subjective and choose to ignore it”
In Image 5, the entire head and shoulders of the subject are surrounded by the halo. In image 4, the entire centaur has a halo. I do not accept the tail to be any kind of shoehorned map. But what if it is? The centaurs legs/back/arms, all with blue halo are insignificant as far as I can tell. I also cannot find any of the blue aura to be associated with any important hint in Image 5 (Chicago), unless where it stylistically has to extend up to include the fairy, but that’s being generous.
What I do find is Palencar using this technique throughout his art to the point that it cannot possibly be used as a hint to zero in on anything. Surely something in some image with a halo may be important, but that’s a matter of statistical probability since there are auras everywhere.
In either case “The blue halo around X, led us to Y and this was very important to our solve” was never uttered by anyone involved in finding either of the two retrieved casks.

i still think it possibly denotes a water reading of the clue…its def not map, cause there are loads of map clues that are not highlighted in blue. see mtl, roanoake, etc.

WhiteRabbit

I can see where you’re coming from. And I can tell you that, at the point where you think those images have any relation in connection with the puzzle, you’ve completely lost the plot.

I’m not saying I think this image is a direct match. I was just throwing it out there as someone said in the Milwaukee thread that there was a painting (or something) that could have been the source or idea for JJP when the images were created because this was in Abroad as well.

This image is in “Abroad from America”. It is on page 119, the chapter on Fredrika Brema. At first glance, it looks like the hill thing in the middle (underneath the tree) kind of resembles the mask with the map of the Charleston peninsula. Maybe not, but if we were onto the idea that there was a particular painting/drawing that inspired the theme of each image (like the woman in the Milwaukee image),this kind of has some similar parts.
It states:
“
Southern Vegetation
, by Fredrika Bremer, ink on paper, circa 1850. Carolina Rediviva Library, Universitetsbiblioteket, Uppsala.
Tiring of the bleak winter and severe morality of New England, Fredrika Bremer headed for the milder climate of the South in February 1850, arriving in Charleston, South Carolina, in mid-March. Her travels through South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida left her in awe of the South’s extravagance. Possessed of a “wild, luxuriant beauty defying the power of man,” the sensuous southern landscaped was “un-speakably interesting” to her.”

I can see where you’re coming from. And I can tell you that, at the point where you think those images have any relation in connection with the puzzle, you’ve completely lost the plot.

The Citadel has a baseball field. “Joseph P. Riley Jr. park”. and
” Star of the West Monument” and Wind swept halls.

Casque 2
Africa’s Diamond, Image 2, Verse 6
I’ve already posted a main theory on this location as it fits with ALL the criteria except for any stupid misconceptions based on how people have “expertly” studied Cleveland and Chicago’s reported solutions.  All the solutions deserve an adjustment in how we treat them.
How does the Litany of the Jewels apply?
Africa’s Diamond, earth-born star,
Bright harvest of the midnight rock
earth-born star = literally “from the earth” + “celestial body”
Bright harvest of the midnight rock = “rock that collects light at midnight”
THE MOON.  How was the moon thought to have been formed?  From the earth right?  This was known or at least believed by many at the time this casque was buried.  I read that it was officially settled in 1984 that an impact event on the proto-earth material created the lunar body.
Now, consider how this cryptic reference to the moon is applicable to this location.  My proposal is that it has to do with the moon and diamond both are rocks that reflect a light source.  This applies to my theory of a lighthouse which is a composition of a lamp and reflector.  This surely isn’t the only possible interpretation, but it cooperates with various visual and textual interpretations.
1. (visual) Mythical interpretation of the lepidoptera identification: Polyphemus Moth = Polyphemus the Cyclops, giant with 1-eye, blinded by Odysseus.  Compare to tall lighthouse structure built in 1827 with it’s lamp removed.
2. (visual) hidden in the shape of the daisy, the circular center of a daisy presented as an ellipse, matches the shape of the top of the reddish brick 1827 lighthouse as seen from a photo taken from the newer taller 1857 lighthouse built just 200 meters away (this lighthouse received it’s lamp/reflector from the defunct 1827 lighthouse)
3. (textual) beside the long palm’s shadow.  Each of the three words, “long, palm, and shadow” may be understood in different ways and have a specific implication depending on whether they are differential based on somethings surrounds.  In this case, there are two lighthouses, the shorter 1827 lighthouse with a “closed” top (having no light apparatus), and the taller (long?) 1857 lighthouse with an “open” (palm?) top.  In fact, the 1857 lighthouse does cast a daytime shadow that is next to the 1827 lighthouse.
4. (textual) Edwin and Edwina named after him.  Succession, the name “Edwin” being passed down from parent to child.  The “light” being passed “down” from the predecessor-house to successor-house.
Perhaps the African element to this location is the “dark” association in the “blinded” 1827 lighthouse.  The older lighthouse represents the lion, the father, and the blind cyclops.
Check this out, there is one pedal on the daisy that is shadowy, it might look like one of these cistern “arms”, does it relative to the top of the lighthouse point to where the casque is buried at the cistern (below the bar that binds)?

JoshCornell

i still think it possibly denotes a water reading of the clue…its def not map, cause there are loads of map clues that are not highlighted in blue. see mtl, roanoake, etc.

@josh Cornell Hey I was just reading that this was from thee Josh Cornell. I watched some of your videos on you tube. I think they are good for a beginner like myself to watch to help disect what to look for in a puzzle. Thanks for your comments on my posts.

Heh heh. Makes me wonder how many lurkers we have!
Here’s another idea. What is an “arc light,” and do lighthouses make use of them?
Alternatively, it’s possible that BP is using another of his plays on words here — like “cast in copper” or “pass the compass” — that should not be interpreted literally. This
is
a riddle, after all. Try to think of interpretations of
arc of lights
that do not involve
actual
arcs of lights.
And welcome, mobhit!

I did a little hunting on that sandbank that so resembles our butterfly’s wings. To remind you, it’s just south of Charleston at the mouth of the North Edisto River:
Turns out it’s called Deveaux Bank:
http://www.dnr.sc.gov/managed/heritage/deveauxbnk/description.html
It sank beneath the waves in 1980, but soon rose again and now supports all sorts of wildlife. I have contacted Clemson’s library asking where I can find 1980’s-era satellite photos.

No one specfic tree left from a forest to the South.
Seems as if you would have to find an original one
as opposed to one replanted for landscaping.
May take a lot of holes if not scouted properly.
May be a job for Pine Tree

Unknown

Unknown:
“Weight and roots extended”  “Together saved the site”  The defeat of the British due to the plentiful Palmetto Tree.

I agree with you guys, one of the historical researches I did discusses that Fort Moultrie was defended not just with Palmetto logs (roots extended) but also sand and sand bags (weight).  Looking at pictures of the fort it fits our granite walls and windswept halls as well with the tunnels and chambers that it has.  I’m liking V5 for P2.  A little further research and FYI–the Pearman bridge no longer exists–it was blown up in 2005 and replaced with Ravenel Bridge.  Lane two twenty two and the arc of lights–could this be at a distance viewed across the water from the island?  Also the lighthouse is a strong contender for arcing lights and is a prominent landmark.  This seems like a hot prospect–nice work everybody. Now to find the bird…

erexere

Returning to the linking of ideas after harken: perhaps fatboaC refers to Lady “Bird” Johnson receiving the Presidential Medal of Freedom, perhaps Edwin/Edwina’s Blyden links us to Liberia, perhaps May 1913 is the birth if the most recent Liberian President Tolbert, and perhaps April 8th is our murder scene involving a man with the same full name as a US President, Andrew Johnson, same last name as a previous Liberian President in Blyden’s time, same last name as a “Bird”. Maybe thats what our harkening is to determine.

I suppose I should reiterate that I’m not saying this isn’t interesting, just that it is demonstrably much more tenuous than the WPG interpretation.
A couple of thoughts/points of clarification:
1.) Tolbert was assassinated in 1980 by Samuel Doe and other revolutionaries. If May 1913 (when Tolbert was born) is another Liberia reference, it is also another death by violence reference (to go along with the lighthouse murderer) and in that case, you maybe should look for others in the verse. (I would posit that Vesey’s life also ended violently after his freedom was bought just before the birth of a century.)
2.)I haven’t read a good explanation for the spelling of “harken” as opposed to the much more common “hearken” and I think it may be significant.
3.) Since this is the thread for Image 2, do you have any image matches for your theory?

Hmm. Let me reset fkr a moment, because I am not opposed to WPG and other ideas and then my own exposition has my mind blown. I’m not fully convinced of much other than the references to Robert Louis Stevenson and Blyden. I havent found any image matches to sync anything together in the way the Cleveland or Chicago puzzles demonstrate the integration of visual clues. The Sumter and Charleston shapes are clearly symbolic of looking at a map. The woman seems most like the Persephone statue in town. Oh, and the SC state shape looks apparent in either the branches or wings (i forget which).
My main take on the image is that it is stocked with symbolism. The lion represents Africa but might also be symbolic for the Sun or the subject of trophy hunting or the fact that a lions roar has a huge range. The lepidoptera woman represents something like an Atlas, Luna, or Polyphemus moth, which sounds like Greek mythology stuff, perhaps symbolizing the Moon. The tribal mask might symbolize hunting. Keeping those things in mind, especially the possible blend of Greek mytbology, I wondered about any examples of fraternal twins (like the Edwin/Edwina) and quickly hit on Zeus and Leto having fraternal twin children Apollo (Sun) and Artemis (Moon/Hunting). That blew my mind, since notionally I couldnt fathom how it linked to a location method. As for Vesey, I continue to keep in mind the Greek name he once lived by, Telemaque, same name as son of Odysseus. That is certainly a hook for thinking about Greek mythology.

Unknown

Unknown:
verb
1.
skin the head and neck of (an animal) to prepare a hunting trophy

As I wondered if the reference to fraternal twins to Blyden was selected for some added reason, and I found Apollo/Artemis was another case albeit a wild example, I didnt see that their names followed Zeus like Edward -> Edwin/Edwina, but I did learn something mini-mind-blowing about their mother Leto. She isn’t notable for much other than being a lunar goddess, she was cursed by Zeus’ jealous wife Hera to never be able to have children on land, but Leto discovered the Island of Cos was an exception for its floating above the sea floor, disconnected from the Earth itself, allowing her to give birth to Apollo and Artemis.
I learned of something called “cos lettuce” for its origin to the Greek island Cos. Its better known as romaine lettuce. So maybe thats an idea involved with identifying Cape Romaine.
A definition for the word cape:
Large lion head w/ mane
Birthplace of mythological fraternal twins named Cos and origin of romain lettuce

WR — you’ve circled the correct spot for that sign.

JoshCornell

pearman bridge

>:(
Yes I know about the Pearman bridge and that it’s no longer standing being demolished in 2005; that it extended over Drum island. I wanted to know, if collectively, the q4t at large believes that to be the correct clue. It had never been mentioned that it could be a gourd, and if there are any other possible connections then pearman.
After having a map and a road route why also emphasize this bridge? Why is there a representation of fort sumpter and not the other forts in the bay? (Yes I read you feel it’s buried with in the fort, some claimed by Osceolas grave). I don’t think Priess would have buried in a fort, but maybe that a bias of my generation. Preiss was born in ‘53, Does anyone that grew up in the 50’s or 60’s feel the same way? Or is the fort up for grabs?

Unknown

Unknown:
I wanted to know, if collectively, the q4t at large believes that to be the correct clue.

There is very little that the Q4T at large (whatever that is) believes collectively. And ultimately, it only matters what you believe. IMO, too many people are spending way too much time (or so it seems) trying to convince others of what they believe to be true, instead of just putting the information out there and letting everyone decide for themselves whether that information is useful.
In that spirit, “fairy secrets come in twos”. Pear=Pearman/Pear=pair. FWIW.

Euhirudinea

I wanted to know, if collectively, the q4t at large believes that to be the correct clue.
There is very little that the Q4T at large (whatever that is) believes collectively.

At Large:
2. as a whole; in general.
“there has been a loss of community values in society at large”
synonyms: as a whole, generally, in general
“society at large”

every clue has twofold meaning, the gold colour of the pear takes us very clearly to poe.

the other forts are implied in non visual ways. this puzzle has you following the path the cannons took from moultrie to wpg.

Unknown

Unknown:
At Large:

Thank you, but I know what “at large” means. I’m just not sure how to apply it to this forum. Is it the people who are active now? Is it the people who were active recently, but no longer post. Is it everyone who has ever participated? Does it include lurkers? The point is the bigger the group, the less likely you are to get consensus. Which makes any question (not just yours) about what “people” believe somewhat pointless IMO.

Was it decided that it’s a pear in image two or a gourd? The gourd has a better connection to Africa.
http://www.amishgourds.com/product/kett … argain-box

JamesV

This one?
The book didn’t have any information about these trees out front, what type, when they were planted, etc.

James – Yes that is the one. On your image it is the big tree on the right side of the cover, not the little skinny ones. Apparently it is a red or Jordanian cypress. I can’t remember. I will have to try to find the link again and post it.
If you are standing in front of the church, it is planted in the middle of the grassy area to the right of the entrance.
Regards,
Mac

jayheedan1

Was it decided that it’s a pear in image two or a gourd? The gourd has a better connection to Africa.
http://www.amishgourds.com/product/kett … argain-box

pearman bridge

I don’t believe it had a state fruit prior to 1984!! Ain’t that a peach?
wilhouse

I live in Mt Pleasant, SC and have been working on Image 2 and Verse 6 for a few months on and off since I saw the EU episode in January. Yes, I am one of those people who feel like they arrived at the party 30 years too late. I seem to have hit a roadblock in my research. I have read all the posts on Image 2 and Verse 6. I have read all the theories posted here and on The Secret wiki. I have physically visited many likely spots in Charleston and Sulllivan’s Island. Like most of us I have found multiple spots that match some of the clues, but have failed to have the “a-ha” moment or find any convincing visual clues. Looking to collaborate with someone who is not already convinced they know the location of the casque, and is open minded and willing to consider all possible locations and solutions. Please don’t reply by telling me to read your solve. Most likely I have already seen and read it. Since I am still hunting that should tell you your “solution” was not convincing enough for me. Since you are still reading the posts on this board, that tells me you are not totally convinced of your solve either. I’m not saying the casque isn’t in WPG under the Moultrie statue, or buried in the garden next to the Ft Sumter House, near Osceola’s grave at Ft Moultrie, or destroyed and no longer recoverable. I just have not seen enough links to the verse or image to convince me of any of the published locations or “solves”. So, if you goal is to convince me of your solve, don’t waste you time, I’m not interested. If you are interested in sharing ideas and thoughts, and collaborating to find a solution without guessing or assumptions, contact me. If you are in the Charleston area, that would be great. If not, I am willing to work with and help anyone trying to solve from afar. Thanks, Chris

Unknown

Unknown:
So, if you goal is to convince me of your solve, don’t waste you time,

Yeah, you’re still going to get an earful from Josh. But there are at least a few people in your area who are working on this puzzle and maybe some of them will reach out to you. Collaboration is good.
Happy hunting.

graceandhayes

I live in Mt Pleasant, SC and have been working on Image 2 and Verse 6 for a few months on and off since I saw the EU episode in January. Yes, I am one of those people who feel like they arrived at the party 30 years too late. I seem to have hit a roadblock in my research. I have read all the posts on Image 2 and Verse 6. I have read all the theories posted here and on The Secret wiki. I have physically visited many likely spots in Charleston and Sulllivan’s Island. Like most of us I have found multiple spots that match some of the clues, but have failed to have the “a-ha” moment or find any convincing visual clues. Looking to collaborate with someone who is not already convinced they know the location of the casque, and is open minded and willing to consider all possible locations and solutions. Please don’t reply by telling me to read your solve. Most likely I have already seen and read it. Since I am still hunting that should tell you your “solution” was not convincing enough for me. Since you are still reading the posts on this board, that tells me you are not totally convinced of your solve either. I’m not saying the casque isn’t in WPG under the Moultrie statue, or buried in the garden next to the Ft Sumter House, near Osceola’s grave at Ft Moultrie, or destroyed and no longer recoverable. I just have not seen enough links to the verse or image to convince me of any of the published locations or “solves”. So, if you goal is to convince me of your solve, don’t waste you time, I’m not interested. If you are interested in sharing ideas and thoughts, and collaborating to find a solution without guessing or assumptions, contact me. If you are in the Charleston area, that would be great. If not, I am willing to work with and help anyone trying to solve from afar. Thanks, Chris

Welcome! I love that you did your research.
Have you tried the Facebook group devoted to Charleston? This forum here is intended for open sharing of ideas. If you have any, we’d love to hear them.

you should watch my video on youtube if you are unconvined its at fsab/fsah
seems bizarre he would include a random little garden in the painting, if it didnt have significance. lol but go wild the puzzle is large so theres lots of extraneous stuff to discover in charleston still.

Oh I have been following the exploits and postings of Josh and others for a few months. No offense, but my comment in my original post was meant primarily for you Josh. I also knew you couldn’t resist a response, Josh. Everything going as expected at this point. LOL! I am not trying to offend Josh, or anyone else. My only comment to Josh and others – Stop trying to convince everyone you have solved it. If you are so sure, it shouldn’t matter what anyone else thinks or says. You have stated you case for the location, now leave the rest of us alone. For those of us still searching. I have some ideas, but I am not great at organizing or presenting my thoughts in writing, and I am terrible at editing or highlighting things I think I see in the image. I guess I need some good photo editing software and a lesson on how to use it. I’ll see what I can do on posting ideas or things I don’t think have been mentioned yet.