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I just completed the math on the problem of how much variation you get depending on if you choose May 1st or May 31st and it ends up being about a 25 foot diameter circle.  There has to be some accounting for error at 200ft distance, which is why the fence corner works so well.  Also, someone might’ve used any old day in May, but I chose May 1st because of it’s historical importance to Charleston being the original Memorial Day date.
From wikipedia “Memorial Day”
I just double checked my work and ended up using some more precise numbers and correctly used the 264.9 degree angle.  This is Wikimapia telling me the distance, I’d rather do this on the ground with a compass.  Here is 220 feet this time.  It has to be there, or it’s by the corner of where signs of a fence were.

I do not have my book with me but I am sure it says, like all other hunts I have worked on, that even a child could solve this.

It says that: “If Man is good, and kind, and playful, he and she will find them.”

As an exercise I just learned how to apply the solar chart method to any specific spot or distance where a shadow could fall.  Its not math.  I just look at the tables and charts that are already plotted out.  I’m really thinking it will be worth it to purchase a 1980 Farmers Almanac, just to see what BP mightve used.
Whether or not this method was used, it’s real fun practicing its application.  More hunts should use it.

I was wondering, are you implying that BP wouldn’t have this method because it predates the solution to Masquerade?  I personally wasn’t claiming he had taken his inspiration from Masquerade.  Have I made it look like he reinvented the wheel?
I explored the biblical idea a little more with brothers keeper.  I wonder if that is a mark of the cross on the lion for this symbolism for Cain and Abel.  The basic idea of deciding how to divide a piece of property seems to work well in this scenario, hence finding the line that is equidistant to both lighthouses.
Another notion I wondered about was the concept of Justice, “where law defended”.  Plato’s Republic delves into this rich topic with its own pair of brothers.
I wonder if there is a reasoning here to utilize one of the five platonic solids as a geometric method to find the casque based on the two lighthouses.  The octahedral shape has eight sides and uses regular equalateral triangles for faces.  One strong push along these lines comes from the “mouth” with teeth on the Sumter-clock.  I found a close visual match to it a historical building called the Whalehead Club of Currituck.  It was in a severe state of neglect back in 1980, but I can totally see BP scouting it out for this hunt.  Thinking of that building as a 3-D solid and then seeing how it has been flattened into a 2-D shape with triangles around a rectangle is EXACTLY the model to apply here:
Use the distance between the lighthouses as the side length ‘s’ of a square.
Perceive each lighthouse as the two adjacent sides also of length ‘s’.  it connects in the sky to complete the square.
Use that square to connect equal triangles to all the orthogonal points and you have a an octahedron.  The next step is laying that solid flat, 2-D style, and seeing where a triangle meets near a white house.
This solution doesn’t use the Sun method.  Just make an eight sided solid lay flat on its face and find the point.

Steady on Josh, leave some for the rest of us…
(Welcome to the madhouse.)

Everyone round here has their theories…but narrowing it down to a couple of feet, digging a hole, and pulling out a casque – or persuading someone else to – that’s pretty tricky.

Does anyone know how many holes the U.S.S. Maine Capstan has total?

Interesting find. Marion square has been putting up a Christmas tree every year since 1913. Maybe reference to the “ornaments” hanging on the branch?
Also, if you look at Marion Square the paths make a big X across the park. With the piracy theme, maybe X marks the spot??
Regards,
Mac

I would guess 16 by looking at the different angles of photos I could find.

I thought the Daisy might represent the USS Maine Capstan but it has 17 petals :/

So in the image, the woman really bothers me. Meaning there has really been no solid idea of what she and her wings mean. I said this in another post, but it bears repeating:
“Why do we have a lack of specific location clues in image 2, but other images have very specific landmarks, etc?”
Image 2 only appears to have links to the general city, Charleston SC. Brought me to thinking about the book in general. All of the Fairy talk. Do we assume maybe she is a Fairy?
If so, should we be looking at things that pertain to the Ferry (transport) industry that used to be in Charleston? Or the many streets named Ferry?
Also, does the woman not resemble Christ on the cross, with the closed eyes, tilted head, crown of thorns and legs crossed?
Thoughts?
Regards,
Mac

Macfos

So in the image, the woman really bothers me. Meaning there has really been no solid idea of what she and her wings mean…Do we assume maybe she is a Fairy?

Bear in mind that images are associated with nationalities, and these play a part in the locations; eg Image 4 is Greece, and the casque was in the Greek garden. It’s unlikely, though not impossible, that these nationalities have any more important clues to offer; their clues have probably already been spent in identifying the cities and their immigrant populations. But anyway, they were part of the foundation of the puzzle, and are discussed in the book’s introduction. This talks about how the fairy spirits of Africa “fluttered down like a windfall of butterflies”. The woman in Image 1 is clearly a butterfly, so whatever else it might mean, it’s a clue to link it with Africa, which leads to Charleston.

Hi whiterabbit –
Yes, I agree with your statement. The problem I keep running into personally is that the clues only lead back to Charleston in general. I keep looking for something unique that would be an identifier for a more specific location, such as the post and railing for Chicago or the water tower or the horse rider statue.
I may just need to change my train of thought, but the lack of specific imagery clues has me baffled. So my strategy is to visit a long list of places I have gathered clues on and just look around, read signs and check things out, in the hopes that a shape or idea I see on the ground will some how connect me to something that has been missed in the drawing.
If not, oh well, I get to be a tourist in my own city, spend time with my family and learn some history!
Regards,
Mac

Here’s my thoughts on the woman.
She is the capstan. Remember, ships are referred to in the feminine persuasion.
Her wings are the different peninsulas of Charleston and include the different cannons (circles with white centers) in the area. The two on the lower wings are the ones in WPG today right next to the Moultrie statue. The white edges to the butterfly wings represent the white oyster shell sands that wash up all over these beaches.
Bare with me here and of course, I could be out of my mind, but the highlights across her stomach remind me of the holes at the top of the capstan. The shadow under her ribs and the “holes” are the top of the capstan with the highlights just above the ribs, along with her chest is the top of the capstan. As we move lower, the dark shadow moving down to her groin and thighs is the rest of the capstan.
Her legs rising out of the smoky blue color are symbolic of her (the capstan) rising from the sea after being retrieved from the USS Maine.
And I’ll add this, the white triangle (purposeful triangle) in the cloth around her waist points directly to the diamond.
These are many of the reasons I believe in White Point Garden as the location. The landscape bed along the battery seems like a good spot but the question remains…where? Many here and elsewhere have said that bed has been completely poked, prodded and dug. So my other spot would be to the right of the woman, now Moultrie, in the ground near the walk.

I will point out she is the only nearly naked picture out of the images and the statue of the Confederate Defenders of Charleston is a nearly naked man.
Coincidence?

I started a facebook group as well if anyone is interested.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/452250255178033/

With little punctuation on the verses,
the strength in them is how the lines are
broken.
I have always read each line as an individual
clue, with secondary thoughts of weather to link it
with the next line in a chain or stand it on its own.
Each verse tells specfically where to dig.
Beneath is the only direction in this verse on the
exact spot.
Also with the verses, BP rarely uses the exact words of
what he is describing, unless it is a proper name.
Therefore, instead of tree, he saids:
“Standing memeber of a Forest”
With this, is the “white stone” exactly that?
I have a logisitcal question,  why if we are told that this
is the only standing member, would he think we need
to know that there is a white stone closest?
I understand that from the west is telling us which side of the
“member” to look at, but with the Milwaukee verse,
the tree was enough of a landmark at the end.
hmmm… I feel we are close.

I was just reading the verse, and something occured to me.
A wingless bird ascended
Born of ancient dreams of flight
Beneath the only standing member
Of a forest
To the south
White stone closest
At twelve paces
From the west side
Get permission
To dig out.
I was thinking that the “Beneath” was describing the location of the casque.  This would make it under the tree.  However, it could also be properly read as meaning that the wingless bird ascended beneath the tree, or it could mean that it was born of ancient dreams beneath the tree.  This would make the casque be buried near the white stone instead of beneath the tree.
So what kind of wingless bird would take flight beneath a tree?  What kind of ancient dreams were born beneath trees.
Newton with his apple is the only thing that comes to mind as famous dreams born under trees, but maybe I’m missing something.
Any ideas?

Taking it further… If you are taking each line to be a seperate clue, but then added “of a forest” to the previous line, what if you did the same thing to the next couple of lines?  You would have:
–  Beneath the only standing member of a forest
–  To the south white stone closest
–  At twelve paces from the west side
–  Get permission to dig out
So, second sentence above could be possibly pointing to a white stone SOUTH?  Then 12 paces west from there?
As far as anagrams, I know the last couple of solved ones did not include anagrams, but does that really mean that none were used in any of the puzzles?

Okay, here’s a summary and some new thoughts to go along with the Charleston picture.
The pentagon mask is a clear reference to Fort Sumter, given the map of Charleston on the mask, as Egbert pointed out. The latitude and longitude add confirmation. The African connection certainly has to do with the city’s history of slavery.
People have already noted the numbers in the lion’s mane: 79, 80, 33, and 36. The first three refer to latitude and longitude, but what is the 36?
Is
it 36? Johann notes a possible 45 on the right side as well. Johann also notes that there is also what appears to be a cross in the lower left portion of the mane:
Why a lion? Egbert speculates King Street as a reason (king of the jungle), but I am hesitant to accept that. SoonerFan notes that there are lion symbols all over town. I suspect this is so because Charleston was named for King Charles II of England, whose coat of arms was covered with lions.
Here’s a thought: given that we
know
the upper mask has a map on it, do we really need more maps? It looks as if several parts of this picture may be maps: (1) the trail of mist at the girl’s feet resembles a river with islets, but nothing in the Charleston area exactly matches the pattern. There is a section of the Wando River north of Charleston that resembles it, but it isn’t exact (and would have to be reversed anyway); (2) the birthmark on the lion’s forehead looks like a map of some sort; (3) the lion’s “hairline” (for lack of a better term) seems very regular, and not at all like a hairline ought to. It may represent a coast or shoreline; (4) the white portions on the girl’s wings could be shorelines; (5) the pattern of twigs in the conifer looks like a road map. If any of these are
not
maps, what could they be?
The twig pattern:
There is a little ‘n’ or ‘h’ on the upper mask, formed by the nose and eye (a few people pointed this out).

The pear, the daisy, and the conifer may constitute a rebus as in P10 (mill+walk+key) and P4 (bell+flower) (but if it is a rebus, it doesn’t spell out South Carolina or Charleston. I think the map on the upper mask is the only clue to the city). Now I’m no botanist, but the tree in question may be a bald cypress. Is anyone here wise in the ways of conifers?
I need to visit the book store anyway; maybe I’ll take a printout of our mystery tree with me and consult the Audubon guide while I’m there.
As for the pear, think “pair of…” or “pair on” = “peron,” etc. Egbert notes the Silas Pearman Bridge exits Charleston to the east.
The upper mask’s eyes are reminiscent of coin slots, the kind you might find on parking meters or viewfinders. Does White Point Gardens / Battery Park have viewfinders so that tourists can look out at Fort Sumter? Do the coin slots look like the mask’s eyes, by any chance?
The girl’s hairdo looks suggestive of… something. If it’s not hair, what could it be? She is surrounded by that weird blue nimbus that can be found in 10 of the 12 images. Jambone’s idea of the Miles Brewton House gate may be true.
Some have asked what the “thing” behind/under the pear might be. The first thing that leapt to my mind was the gigantic Gaffney peach, a watertower built in 1981 in Gaffney, SC in the shape of a peach. It’s right by the interstate. The support column under the peach looks kinda like the thing under the pear:
The “glasses” on the right side must mean something, otherwise they wouldn’t be there. They might turn out to match a wrought-iron design near the casque.
bclews pointed out this sandbar to the south of Charleston. Note the resemblance to the butterfly wings in the picture. Also note the change that occurred in less than a year. Imagine how much this sandbar must have changed in 20+ years. Could this be the same thing? New picture from Google is on the left:

Me likes anagrams  🙂

Lions….hmmmm.

Peeling a pear for the kids last night, I got to thinking about the pear in the image.  Everything else in the image has a coherent identity, but this is a willfully created hybrid, a pear growing on a pine tree (no relation).  As it was that deliberate, shouldn’t it mean something?
So I couldn’t go to sleep without a reasonable answer, and this is what I came up with:
1.  With a nod to the previous NM theory, the tree is a pinon pine.
2.  The pear is a Bartlett.
3.  Therefore, this that we see is a Bartlett Pinon.
4.  Pinon can also be spelled pinyon (Webster’s says so, and I needed a “y”.)
5.  So now it’s a Bartlett Pinyon.
6.  I’m not fond of anagrams, but you can make this into Battery Point Ln.
7.  Then I could go to sleep.
Battery Point isn’t exactly synonymous with White Point Gardens, but it’s not far off, either.  A list of fortifications also shows a Battery Point on James Island.  I haven’t yet found its exact site on the island, but it must face the harbor and is likely visible from White Point Gardens.

fox

Tying in with both:  my longstanding belief of this referring to a hot air balloon…. as well as…… with FB’s mention of Poe’s
The Gold Bug
.. why not look to
The Great Balloon Hoax
by Poe.  In part:

I had always thought that the wingless bird would begin to narrow down the location, but I just realized that this is completely unecessary!  If this is just another way to point to Fort Moultrie, then the next lines are still more than enough to find the tree and rock.  If we are to believe that this verse goes with Sullivan’s Island, which I still believe it does, then I think this is the most plausible explaination for the meaning of the bird.

Glossiphoniidae

If we can accept that Image 2, with its map of Charleston, actually points to Sullivan’s Island, is it far fetched to conclude that Image 3, with its map of Roanoke Island, might actually point to one of the other nearby islands (Pea, Hatteras, Ocracoke, etc.)?

It’s a fair point. But the verse says “Ride the man of oz /
To
the land near the window.”

Bad luck with the dig request, but thanks for sharing these ideas, and kudos for getting to the point of putting one in….

Skunkboy — that’s a great theory. But I wonder what you would say about the fact the verse says
Beneath
the only standing member. It can’t literally be beneath Osceola, unless BP disinterred the unfortunate fellow. To the south, perhaps?
Also, I pair the line “A wingless bird ascended” with “Born of ancient dreams of flight” — how does that reconcile with Osceola?

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Cask 2 – Charleston, SC
This is what the geodetic triangulation marker looks like.
I put a blue star on the Battery map to show its location. You can also go to the location (though you land a couple of feet off) in Google street view:
http://goo.gl/maps/yNFNw
Standing on the top of the seawall at the spot of the marker and looking toward the park, you see this.  The Fort Sumter statue is just to the left out of the shot.  The statue of General Moultrie you see in the picture is on the same spot where the USS Maine’s capstan stood in the 1980s.  The “white house” is off to the right.
High Battery is just that, it’s about six feet high.  It is also about six feet wide and is flagged with slate to make a promenade on top of the wall.  The marker is on the water side of the wall at the edge of the promenade, embedded in the concrete surrounding the flagstones. The picture was taken while standing on top of High Battery on the promenade at the spot where the marker is embedded.  The gentleman in the blue shirt is standing at street level in the planting bed.  I plan to set a plumb line on top of the geodetic marker and run the string across the wall to drop down into the approximately 5-foot-wide planting bed that is between the wall of High Battery and the street. I’ll then set markers for a foot on each side of the plumb line, which will give me an area approximately 2’x5′ to dig in.
The spot I’m going to dig looks like this.  It’s hard-packed sand but it loosens when water is poured on it (and there’s plenty of water handy
I just have to bring a bucket.)
The logic for choosing this spot:  I am assuming that the verse is not a series of descriptors of one spot, but more a set of directions to get you to the casque’s location.  So the first part gives a general indicator for WPG, with the verse that paraphrases the opening of Treasure Island (a story about pirates) to point you to a location with a strong pirate association, then the bandstand (stand and listen), the Hunley marker with its fountains (cool clear sound of water), the Simms statue (harken to the words), the Jasper Revolutionary War monument (freedom at the birth of a century), the Maine capstan (May 1913, the date the Maine capstan was given to Charleston, that date appeared on a plaque on the capstan’s pedestal), and the actual pirate monument (on the 8th a scene etc.) This gets you to the east end of the park.  The location then narrows down with “Between two arms extended” (stand in the area between the pointing arms of the Jasper and Sumter statues, facing the Battery and the harbor), below the bar that binds (the “bar that binds” is the Battery itself, below it is the planting bed), beside the long palm’s shadow (there is a tall palmetto there, and I think Preiss wrote  the clue to specify the shadow, not the palm itself, because the casque is technically outside of the park proper), embedded in the sand (the sand-filled planting bed, because the only other major areas of sand in WPG are the walking paths and I tested them, they are hard-packed like cement and tremendously difficult to dig in.)  Preiss is being very specific here: the box is in sand, not soil, and the curious word choice, “embedded”, hints at the planting bed.  Finally “white house close at hand”, the large white mansion of 2 S Battery is in direct line of sight from the spot, about forty feet away.
My logic for choosing the geodetic marker is a bit shakier; I am going by the coordinate numbers in the lion’s mane (the geodetic marker is registered with the USGS using that latitude and longitude), because the marker is a triangulation marker and the Fort Sumter mask’s string forms a triangle, and because the marker is directly in front of you when following the verse as I’ve laid out above.  It’s a hunch, essentially.  🙂  I keep asking myself, well, if it is the marker, wouldn’t Preiss have included some disguised version of the marker in the image?  I don’t think so, because that would be too big of a clue.  A verse all about WPG, a visual that looks like the geodetic marker, bam, you dig there.  It would be too easily solvable, he had to leave the marker out of the image.  Or so I keep telling myself. You were right in your earlier post, confirmation bias is a real stumbling block here.  But I think this has as good a chance as most theories, so I’m going with it.

A poster called bonestructure at SA came with up with an interesting theory about another of those markers at White Point Gardens, but couldn’t get permission to dig.

very nice find cthree…its obvious that the river system depicted on the mask is definitely charleston SC.

Recap on what I discovered: this is more than anything you mihht find on the pbwiki…
The introductory story un the Secret about the migration of the Fair Folk used the following phrases and references in connection with the African culture:
“The Glory that was Greece” (and a reference to the god Pan)
“Jump up” (Trinidad and Tobago local color meaning “dance contest”)
These phrases also appear in quotation marks in the November 1971 issue of National Geographic Magazine in an article about the “Pan” drum.

http://www.ci.charleston.sc.us/photo_winners041.html

There seems to be a yellow extension between the pear/apple and the daisy.  Also, it looks like the daisy has a bent-down petal.
–Johann

Ok then more to let your brain grind:
I found an interesting flag from the civil war era. details are as follows:
1775. George Washington’s military secretary, Colonel Joseph Reed, proposed that all American ships fly this Massachusetts Navy flag. The Massachusetts Navy flag was one used by some New England ships before the revolution. It had the red flag of the English Naval ensign with the Union Jack in the corner replaced by an American pine tree. This version of the flag links the regional symbol, a New England pine, with the red, white and blue colors displacing the plain red flag area…
The stripes match the order on the -sumter/mask, and the pinetree is of course in the pic–the flag was flown on ships in charleston harbor for sure.
Also, early on Cat mentioned that the mask was a Fang Ngil type.–this applies of course to the african theme but keep in mind that this mask signified a judicial responsibility. Ive taken a few looks at courthouses and such.  🙂

any one care to educate me on what Verse the April image should wed to?

James V and White Rabbit’s solutions are best I have seen to date (Fort Moultrie).

are you kidding me? mine is way better….

Mine are better.

Been out for a while… but reading the post above leading to Washington Square is intriguing. I have been interested in this location for a while…
Another item rarely discussed is the second set of numbers in the lions mane. 32/79 are coordinates for Charleston, but what about the 33 and 80?
Washington Square Park has two entrances. One is at 33 Chalmers Street (which is cobblestone) – The other entrance is 80 Broad Street, at the Four Corners of the Law.
Just my 2 pennies…
Regards,
Mac

davinci4

James V and White Rabbit’s solutions are best I have seen to date (Fort Moultrie).

No real updates from my end on Image 2/Verse 5 since I haven’t been able to make it back to Charleston, although Burnstyle looked into the spot a little more back in April. He was able to link up with an NPS employee at Fort Moultrie to go over the spot we’d described, and although there was no GPR available that day the two of them did make contact with a ground probe. So there’s something there… although given the area outside of the fort, it could very well be just a brick, or something similar, and I don’t think there’s any way to tell for sure without digging it out.
As always, the casque isn’t found if it’s still in the ground.

Wow! That’s actually pretty significant. Could be a brick or rock, but hitting something is better than nothing. Very interesting. Please keep us in the loop.

TEL

Notice the picture with the colors that match what is in the puzzle? look at the bottom left corner Ft Sumter may have that shape now so many say its Ft Sumter as an area landmark but then why the 3 stripe colors on the one in puzzle – was it to lead you to this sign that shows FT Moultrie was rebuilt 3 times the 2nd ft Moultrie has the same shape as the pendant in the puzzle.

TEL (aka “the guest”) has had an email to say that his application to join Q4T has been rejected. (?) But he kindly emailed me some photos from his recent visit.
Taking another look at the flag and the book side by side…I’m not sure they’re all that similar after all. I guess it still could be a representation of it though – it’s the closest thing anyone’s found.

JoshCornell

that image doesnt look like the woman to me…

YES! it’s a catfish upside down

fox

the map/mask has an odd pointer thing which has not been identified yet…it appears to be pointing dead center Charleston at the park which I believe to be Marion Square.  X marks the spot

I think if you look at the verses and want to go with V5, Fort Moultrie is the place to look.
If you want to go with V6 or V2 (don’t hit me anyone), then you can move to Marion Square.
I can’t imagine V5 going anywhere else in Charleston, not after all the work done on it so far.
Can you dig there anyway? I don’t think so- With or without permission.
But the other two verses…..

MrSeabass

Right off the bat, the pond in Hampton Park was completely rebuilt into a different design in 1984. And pretty much everything from the forehead interpretations on down is highly interpretive.
Sorry, but as much as I wanted to link Hampton Park to the solve (especially with the seemingly common Expo theme with most of these cities), this doesn’t do it for me.

I’m not focused on the pond at all. I’m looking at the eastern side of the park. Speculative interpretations, yes, to a degree. Like I said, there is a dearth of physical objects in any of the parks in Charleston that we can point at and say, “there’s our columns!”
One thing I forgot to mention is if we enjoy the concept of map overlays, the gemstone is a virtual replica of the park shape.
Mull it over. I’m seriously not asking to be right. If it works, hey great! If not, it’s intellectual fodder.

MrSeabass

I’m referring to the ‘glasses’ match you made. You looked at the park/pond first, then looked for things in the image that fit what you wanted to see. Turns out that’s not how the pond looked when the painting was made, so the connection is invalid. And the forehead stain definitely isn’t a horsehead. Gemstone looks nothing like the shape of the park; vague rectangle shape != vague rectangle shape. Misses like these turn the solve into a house of cards after that.

Okay, throw the glasses out. Forget they exist. Go into your favorite image editing program. Overlay the gem on the park. It’s a really, really good match. The irony is that people want image matches, yet when presented with them, they say, nope, not good enough. Has anyone matched anything in Charleston besides Fort Sumter?
Second, While I value your feedback, I am not going to defend the proposed solve to the very last stitch. If you see some value, great. If you see absolutely no value, okay. However, if you are going to throw out everything because of slight interpretation issues, why the hell are we even on here? Really.
I am trying to move this forward in the hopes that someone, yourself included, might gain something. Maybe it’s there in Hampton Park. Maybe it’s 20 feet to the right of where I picked. I’m not 100% sure, but I can tell you this, if given a choice of parks, this is the one I would pick.

I too am baffled by the lack of exact markings of imagery in Charleston based on the solves for Chicago and Cleveland. We have to be missing something visually accurate or this solve has more to do with verse than imagery.
I continue to scour the parks, looking for imagery matches.
Thanjs fir posting gMan. Gotta run every possibility down. I do agree with Seabass on the protection of sites in Charleston. Always been well protected.
Regards,
Mac

Macfos

I too am baffled by the lack of exact markings of imagery in Charleston based on the solves for Chicago and Cleveland. We have to be missing something visually accurate or this solve has more to do with verse than imagery.
I continue to scour the parks, looking for imagery matches.
Thanjs fir posting gMan. Gotta run every possibility down. I do agree with Seabass on the protection of sites in Charleston. Always been well protected.
Regards,
Mac

Hey Mac, that’s what I’m referring to when I pick Hampton Park. Most of the other candidate sites are either Federal or Historical Preservation protected. From what I understand, Hampton Park is public and you could, possibly with permission, dig there.

gMan… I agree with your process. Right or wrong.
Hampton Park is a city park and there is a no dig/metal detect sign 10 feet from your dig spot.
Either way, working through theories as you do is the way to solve. I am open to everything.
The hunt continues…
Regards,
Mac

BTW – I have other theories (plural), but will not rule out Hampton Park. A lot of connection, but I am stuck on the lack of visual markers with most theories.
My tunnel vision though…
Regards,
Mac

Macfos

BTW – I have other theories (plural), but will not rule out Hampton Park. A lot of connection, but I am stuck on the lack of visual markers with most theories.
My tunnel vision though…
Regards,
Mac

Everything is fair game. I just have my one option. I do think it needs to be a non-Federal site though.

The zoo is a great idea in the park. I’ve always thought that her wings resembled peacocks. Peacocks might have been there?

gMan.. totally agree.
Regards,
Mac

phinetic

The zoo is a great idea in the park. I’ve always thought that her wings resembled peacocks. Peacocks might have been there?

I didn’t come across a specific inventory of animals. Info on the zoo is hard to come by.
Here is one article:
https://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/cha … id=4569740
It interesting that Kevin Eberle, the author of a history of the park, says everyone remembers the zoo. That shows the importance of the zoo and possibly a bunch of the imagery we are seeing. Yes, there’s an arc to Africa, but the lion, as sad as he may have been, was important. I wonder if someone digging in the city records can find photos of the lion. Maybe the markings match up.
Within the two aviaries, peacocks may have lived there. The zoo was kinda organic, people just dropped off animals there.
The zoo is one of the connections I made to Hampton Park. I don’t think we’d see any of those animals in any other area of Charleston, except the preserve, which came later I believe. I think some of the animals from Hampton Park were moved to the wildlife park in the 1970s.

Yes, the lack of visuals is driving me crazy, and I like to think it’s driving the other severely-literal puzzle solvers daffy, too.
Gman, the wings matchup is intriguing. I forget, did you research that the paths were like that in 1980?

Just wanted to comment that Ruby Dr is not on Sullivans Island. It is in Mt Pleasant, across the Ben Sawyer bridge from SI, in an area referred to as the “Old Village”. While historic I don’t think there are any links to either Image 2 or Verse 6 there. I know because I live about 6 blocks from the Ruby Dr shown in your image. Keep searching, and best wishes. Happy Hunting! Chris

Hey everyone.
I’m new here, but noticed this the other day while I was in sulivans island. If it helps anyone please keep me posted. I’m close by and I’m down for a dig if anyone feels like it.
https://imgur.com/a/PsStJ

phinetic

Hey everyone.
I’m new here, but noticed this the other day while I was in sulivans island. If it helps anyone please keep me posted. I’m close by and I’m down for a dig if anyone feels like it.
https://imgur.com/a/PsStJ

Man if that said Diamond Street instead of ruby. Well seen!

phinetic

Hey everyone.
I’m new here, but noticed this the other day while I was in sulivans island. If it helps anyone please keep me posted. I’m close by and I’m down for a dig if anyone feels like it.
https://imgur.com/a/PsStJ

Do you guys think the casque was dug up when they switched statues (for Moultaire)? Also if you are on battery street looking at Moultaire, would the treasure be buried on the left or the right? In the image the triangle of the fairy’s garments points down and to the right (or the ferry’s left), which would mean it would be on the right hand side of the statue facing the houses (White House close at hand). I honestly think this is the spot. Why not grab a metal detector to just see if in fact there is anything there (no digging) and proceed from there?

Personally I don’t think it is, or was, buried in White Point Garden. I have been hunting for a couple months, and my current thinking is in downtown Charleston, but not WPG. I think I have narrowed it down to a couple likely spots, but looking for the ah-ha moment when I can narrow it down enough to consider probing or digging.

phinetic

Do you guys think the casque was dug up when they switched statues (for Moultaire)? Also if you are on battery street looking at Moultaire, would the treasure be buried on the left or the right? In the image the triangle of the fairy’s garments points down and to the right (or the ferry’s left), which would mean it would be on the right hand side of the statue facing the houses (White House close at hand). I honestly think this is the spot. Why not grab a metal detector to just see if in fact there is anything there (no digging) and proceed from there?

graceandhayes

Personally I don’t think it is, or was, buried in White Point Garden. I have been hunting for a couple months, and my current thinking is in downtown Charleston, but not WPG. I think I have narrowed it down to a couple likely spots, but looking for the ah-ha moment when I can narrow it down enough to consider probing or digging.

Great questions. The current consensus is that they left the base of the capistan, so there wasn’t much need to dig. Also, it’s apparently only 2 feet down before you hit solid clay, so a lot of people have just rummaged through down to the bottom all around the statue.
It freaks me out that WPG is small and has limited artwork, yet no one has found an image match beyond “blue circle with white circle inside it, that isn’t really the same size as the cannon hole.” That’s what it takes to convince me: Anyone can interpret flowery prose into any solution they want.
I’ve spent a long time google image searching every single park for some sort of hexagonal shape, or double archway, or pointy teeth, or anything, and it’s just not findable from an armchair. At least not by me. I bet this one is going to be cracked open by someone putting boots on the ground, and noticing something really cool not visible from an online streetview.

I did some research on what was done to the soil when the Maine capstan was replaced by the Moultrie statue. I found this in a book titled “A Walk in the Parks” by John R. Young, who is an official tour guide registered with the City of Charleston. On page 27 of the book, in reference to the Moultrie statue, it says, “In April 2007, the battleship Maine’s capstan was removed from the site. In May, the soil was strengthened to accommodate the new base and statue. A concrete pad was laid atop the newly compacted soil.” From viewing pictures of both monuments, the base of the Maine capstan appears to have a similar footprint, maybe a little larger, as the Moultrie statue, but was significantly lower in height. The Maine base appears from photos to have been either poured concrete, or concrete covering brick or block, painted white. The base of the Moultie statue is made of 5 pieces of stacked granite. I do not believe the casque was buried on the west side of the Maine capstan, but if it was, I would agree it is likely gone or destroyed by the compaction of the soil and placement of the concrete pad, which is still visible below the Moultrie statue base.

graceandhayes

I did some research on what was done to the soil when the Maine capstan was replaced by the Moultrie statue. I found this in a book titled “A Walk in the Parks” by John R. Young, who is an official tour guide registered with the City of Charleston. On page 27 of the book, in reference to the Moultrie statue, it says, “In April 2007, the battleship Maine’s capstan was removed from the site. In May, the soil was strengthened to accommodate the new base and statue. A concrete pad was laid atop the newly compacted soil.” From viewing pictures of both monuments, the base of the Maine capstan appears to have a similar footprint, maybe a little larger, as the Moultrie statue, but was significantly lower in height. The Maine base appears from photos to have been either poured concrete, or concrete covering brick or block, painted white. The base of the Moultie statue is made of 5 pieces of stacked granite. I do not believe the casque was buried on the west side of the Maine capstan, but if it was, I would agree it is likely gone or destroyed by the compaction of the soil and placement of the concrete pad, which is still visible below the Moultrie statue base.

This was amazing research! You’re going to be a valuable resource here, I can tell.
I think the cask was never there, because the clay is two feet down. That means the top of the cask would be ~15 inches under the ground. Maybe Preiss would have consider that a “safe” enough spot, but I don’t know, dude seemed to like digging.
Also, I kind of feel like someone who cared so much as to write about the monument switch in such detail would have also thought it important that a huge section of a box was found and some cask remnants. Although I guess a bulldozer might prevent that discovery.

Drunknerdz, there is. If you look at the lions nose, it replicates, almost exactly, the old statue that used to sit were Moultaire is now standing (USS Maine Capstan . On the North side of the old statue (facing the White House close at hand!) Had engraved: Presented by the Navy Department to the city of charleston through the courtesy of US Senator Benjamin R Tillman,
May, 1913
If this isn’t the spot, I don’t know where is.

I think the May 1913 clue is too obvious. I don’t think BP would have buried a casque right under a plaque containing the exact words in the verse. Just my opinion, seems too easy. Also, any digging by the public has been illegal in WPG for many years, and was illegal at the time BP would have buried the casque. I don’t think BP would have buried the casque in WPG for this reason. He admitted to wearing costumes or uniforms when burying some of the casques, but I think this was drawn to avoid attention and questions, not because he was trying to hide illegal activity. The location of the Maine/Moultrie in WPG is very visible. It is in the middle of a main path through the park, and right next to a busy street with both car and pedestrian traffic. I can’t prove any of this, unless I find the casque somewhere else, but I spent a few days in and around WPG, and I just don’t think this is the spot. If it was there, I believe it would have been destroyed or discarded when the Maine capstan was removed. With regards to the lions nose. I have stared at it for a long time, and while it may be similar, I don’t think it is close enough to be a clue to the capstan. Just looks like a lions nose to me.

So do you think the roads leading towards Sullivan Island, MNT pleasant, or Fort Moultaire is a clue it’s out that way somewhere?

Also don’t buy into the cannons on either side being the arms extended, and the capstan being the bar that binds. Why give a direct reference to the exact spot early in the verse, then in the lines that seem to be pointing to the exact location use more cryptic hints. Just doesn’t work for me. I think extended arms could be referring to actual arms, guns or cannons, or in Charleston there is a popular style of staircase outside many homes and building called “Welcoming Arms Stairs”. Google it for an example. I think this may be the extended arms. Just my current thought. Either way, if you believe the casque was buried beneath the Maine capstan, then game over. It is most likely gone forever. Even if it was still there, the city will not issue a permit to dig in WPG unless for a registered archeological dig. That is why I continue to search other possible locations. Hoping to find another location that fits the verse, and has something that matches the image.

No, I think the roads, Pear(man) bridge, Ft Sumter, etc are either just clues to Charleston in general. Or could be show the path from SI to Charleston. The slaves were brought to SI first and quarantined in shacks on the beach before being brought to Charleston for sale.

Problem with Ft Moultrie is again you can’t dig there. Ft Moultrie and Ft Sumter are federal property and any digging or metal detecting is strictly forbidden. You will be arrested if you even set foot on the property with digging tools or a metal detector. I talked to some of the rangers there. They said no way a private citizen would ever be given permission to dig there.

My thought process was that the Charelston map on the mask would narrow down the area but that all the other clues would bring you towards the casque, whether that be in Charelston or not. My thought process was the road going out from Charelston was a clue. It would seem redundant to me to use the charelston map in the mask to only have pear road going back towards Charelston. Seems to me since the road goes from left to right, and more importantly towards the diamond, we should follow it.
Who knows though I’m usually wrong with these things lol. Just thinking out loud.

I followed the same logic, and tried using both verse 5 and verse 6. Ultimately all the clues I found pointed to Ft Moultrie as the only likely spot on SI. Again, per the rangers there, the NPS would never give permission for a private individual to dig on Ft Moultrie property. Not many other public spaces on SI other than the beach and a town park by the fire station. If it is on SI it would have to be at Ft Moultrie. So, your choices are: perform an illegal dig in the middle of the night, beg for permission you will never get, or if you are sure it is there, accept the fact it will likely never be recovered. For me all those are game over. For that reason, like WPG, I want to believe BP put the casque where it can be recovered without breaking any laws, and it must be somewhere else.

So, that leads me to the question, if you think it is on SI, which verse are you using, and how does it match to locations on SI? Other than an African fang mask being on display in the Ft Moultrie visitors center and there are lots of cannons at Ft Moultrie, what other clues in the verse, or the image, lead you to SI.

The skull mask is a huge link to SI. Even if is just another general location clue, the literary-loving Preiss had to have meant it to reference The Gold Bug

MrSeabass

As of now, just the road. And likewise burying something at a protected fort would be a very bad idea, even more so when sumter is in the image and moultrie is not.
Someone else came up with the strings coming off the necklace and overlaying it onto a map to show the area between them as places to prospect. Edward’s Park is something I’m researching as it fits things… somewhat. For now I’m focused more on the image than the verse, but still use verse 6 as a guideline.
It’s a very weak assessment, I admit…

What are those extremely similar blue lines to the left of Sumter?

double post

Bear with me cause I found two clues which point to different directions.
Found this regarding the statue at WPG from the sculptor, his own words.
1.
[O]n October 20, 1932, the people of Charleston (eight thousand in attendance) dedicated a monument at White Point Gardens, the Battery, to the Confederate defenders of Fort Sumter…Many present had
fathers, uncles, and grandfathers who had fought
in what many still called “the Confederate War.” The sculptor Herman A. MacNeil said of the monument:
“Its motif in brief, is that the stalwart youth, standing in front with sword and shield symbolizes by his attitude the defense not only of the fort, but also of the fair city behind the fort in which are his most prized possessions, wife and family. And she, the wife, glorified into an
Athena-like woman, unafraid, stands behind him with arms outstretched toward the fort
, this creating an inseparable union of the city and Fort Sumter.”
I feel like this descrption fits the first part of verse 6:
Of all the romance retold
Men of tales and tunes
Cruel and bold
Seen here
By eyes of old
and
Where law defended
Between two arms extended
I’m not sure how much has changed, but it would be interesting to see if there were any places along the battery (maybe a median between roads, maybe what is now known to be a flower bed?) that would be an ideal spot.
*************************************************************
Seabass, in your response, I am also curious about edwards park. I dont know if you saw my post earlier (
https://imgur.com/a/PsStJ
) but although its Ruby and not diamond, it’s still kind of an interesting correlation, especially Edwin and Edwina (Edwards Park). I checked out the area once and the only super concerning thing is that there infact is a white house in Edwards park, although its a police station!! hahahaha.

MrSeabass

Yeah I noticed the roads a while back but kept them in the ‘circumstantial’ bin. I’ll probably check out the park next time I’m there but not expecting anything new to be discovered.
Also I am iffy about Sullivan’s Island, and one of the few things that still attaches me somewhat is doing a full overlay with a map, which ends up with the jewel in one of SI’s coves.
Again, very circumstantial and i don’t personally feel strongly about the link.

I’ll point out too that the base of the flower, or essentially, where it’s growing from with retrospect to the map, is SC department of Natural Resources.

Is there anything to Sullivans Island Lighthouse? Considering the “pole” in the face has a distinct black tip both in the “shadow” and the pole itself. As you guys probably already know, Sullivans Island Lighthouse is literally black on top with the bottom half white.

Honestly, I live very close to Edwards Park. There are some historical sites in the park – the original post office (Patjens), the town hall was here, a house that was used for Revolutionary War soldiers, Ferry St is the street where the dock was to take the ferry between Mt P and CHS, etc. But, there is nothing there, other than a white house, some sand, and palm trees that links it to the verse. This is so obscure and has nothing to do with the slave trade. I find it even more unlikely than WPG that BP would bury the casque here. It is mostly just a dog park now. FYI, When hurricane Hugo hit in 1989 this park was about 5 feet underwater due to the storm surge. Don’t think it was here. If it is anywhere in Mt Pleasant it would likely be what we call the Pitt St Bridge. This was the site of the first bridge to SI during the Revolutionary War. It was even a trolley car bridge in the early 20th century I think. It is now a causeway, pier, kayak launch, recreation area/park owned by the town of MT P. Let me know if anyone wants me to take pics or probe anywhere in the old village of Mt Pleasant. Don’t think the clues point here, but I am happy to help any treasure hunters.
I have also done some hunting around the SI lighthouse. There is nothing in that area that matches anything in the image or any connection to the verse.
Access on Ft Johnson SCDNR site is also limited. Doubt it is there.

IDK part of me wants to think its actually at Fort Sumpter. It literally is where law defended. It’s between two arms extended (Both Fort Moultaire and Johnson). Part of me wonders what implications and how different and scary “land laws” where when he burried the casques, because now I don’t know a single public place you could just dig without needing some permit or permission. Maybe he burried it outside of Fort Sumpter and technically at the time it was “whatever as long as its not
in
fort Sumpter”, whereas now basically a SWAT team would fall from the sky if they saw you digging there now. It’s just so much more difficult this day in age. Same with anywhere near Fort Moultaire. Maybe if it was outside of the Fort nobody cared but now everything around it is off limits given security and what not. I wonder if Byron ever took that into consideration or if he ever followed laws to see if any of his casques could have transitioned into a closed off or illegal area. I suppose after writing the book, putting all the effort in the paintings, the maps, the poems, the pottery and keys and jewels,
theres no way you would alert the readers
that casque X or Y is no longer reachable. You would just probably say to yourself “welp, nobody will ever find that one” and not tell anyone. Legacy lives forever cause nobody can legally dig it up. Treasure always remains.
Sorry, just a ramble.

Right, but like I said, who knows what the laws would have been around Fort Sumter, or any other Fort at the time. Now, present day, no way would you be able to even dig in a 30 foot radius. I think literally all the clues point to it. The ferry (literal boat), fort sumpter literally being on image and between the two arms from WPG. IDK where else this thing could be. I think he had said he assumed most all the casques would be picked up within the first year. I think we’re looking too abstractly. The answer is there.

phinetic

who knows what the laws would have been around Fort Sumter, or any other Fort at the time.

OOoo! OOoo! Call on me! I know this…!
Since 1969…
In a national Park.
It is a federal offense
(1) Possessing, destroying, injuring, defacing, removing, digging, or disturbing from its natural state:
(iii) Nonfossilized and fossilized paleontological specimens, cultural or archeological resources, or the parts thereof.
(iv) A mineral resource or cave formation or the parts thereof.
(3) Tossing, throwing or rolling rocks or other items inside caves or caverns, into valleys, canyons, or caverns, down hillsides or mountainsides, or into thermal features.
(5) Walking on, climbing, entering, ascending, descending, or traversing an archeological or cultural resource, monument, or statue, except in designated areas and under conditions established by the superintendent.
(6) Possessing, destroying, injuring, defacing, removing, digging, or disturbing a structure or its furnishing or fixtures, or other cultural or archeological resources.
(7) Possessing or using a mineral or metal detector, magnetometer, side scan sonar, other metal detecting device, or subbottom profiler.

&
(a) Unauthorized excavation, removal, damage, alteration, or defacement of archaeological resources. No person may excavate, remove, damage, or otherwise alter or deface, or attempt to excavate, remove, damage, or otherwise alter or deface any archaeological resource located on public lands or Indian lands unless such activity is pursuant to a permit issued under section 470cc of this title, a permit referred to in section 470cc(h)(2) of this title, or the exemption contained in section 470cc(g)(1) of this title
Also if you dug and found it, not only would they prosecute you they would take the casque and key away and anything you acquired as part of possessing the illegal gained object. (meaning the jewel)
So 6 months in jail and or a $5000 fine….

I have been working on this for a while and had to do a ton of research. One of the issues with Charleston is that while it has a long history, there is very little displayed with respect to the African narrative and regarding slavery. I believe this puzzle relies heavily on historical events and information, along with the sparse visual clues on the ground.
In fairness, I shared this with a couple of people prior to posting, just to get some feedback and see if someone wanted to probe. In reading this thread today, I sense the same feeling that many of the possible locations are either off limits or just don’t seem to line up with the Image and Verse. Having looked at possible solves, nothing seemed complete.
I’ll take the story from The Gold Bug as the allegory to this hunt. In The Gold Bug, the narrator is faced with two choices (and a cipher) but initially chooses the wrong one. I think the hunt in White Point Gardens is the initial wrong choice. The second choice, which in the book uncovers the treasure, in my opinion is Hampton Park.
I put the details of the solve on dropbox.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/h2ogmry8k4xym … n.pdf?dl=0
If you like it, go probe there. If you don’t, feel free to pick it apart. While I have been to Charleston years ago, I did not base any of this on being on the ground. Your results may vary. Happy hunting!

I search this forum for statues and did see anyone talking about it, I could be wrong about that.
anyone else see the fairy wing on the left side the page that looks like a statue of mary holding a leaf?

I noticed something on the image and I could not find any reference on the board so I thought I’d share. If you look under the pear there is what appears to be a stand of some kind reminds me of a water tank but I can’t find one like this in Charleston.

erexere

Ooh, nice. Please share more from these encyclopedias in as much as they might apply to each of the puzzles.

sure, looking for “May 1913” just something that from translation i think is discoverable, World Book Encyclopedia 1978
Still looking for a period dictionary

The coastline is almost an exact match. I’m sold on this one being Charleston. I found the following on Charleston-related website (
http://www.charlestonlowcountry.com/abo … gtour.html
)
“The washers at the ends of the rods can be seen on the outside of the homes. I noticed that several of the washers had been covered with decorative metal lions’ heads. There is a definite lion theme in this area. It can be seen in statues placed at front doors of homes, lion decorations placed on top of and around buildings, and lion faces forged into the iron gates.”
Maybe this is the reason for the lion in the picture. Charleston had a minor league baseball team in the early 80’s (and still does) which might connect to the image in the shape of a home plate.

Seeing as Charleston is about to be dug up soon I will post my analysis.
Fair warning: I am using these videos to help get a job also, I do put out for potential sponsorship. Please don’t repoint that out it is free information I am tending out.
It is safe for work, I intend to keep them clean.
I also overlayed some ‘fanart’ over images not to show the original art in the video. It does cover up a bit of my line drawings but I was in a rush plus I have family members who are severely ill to attend to.
Also the production quality is not slick, but I want to keep it somewhat home garage in feel.
25 minute vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIriklgLBMg
Criticism is welcome. Be kind.

I recently heard from someone planning a visit to this area in June, so get your thinking caps on…I’d still like to see that monument investigated…

I believe this image falls under the following theme:
April (4 o’clock)
Diamond
Daisy
African Theme
“Africa’s Diamond, earth-born star,
Bright harvest of the midnight rock.”

WhiteRabbit

White stone closest
At twelve paces
From the west side
I’ve always been suspicious of that “closest”. Maybe it could be “close St”, or “close to the street”. Twelve paces from the west side of the street…?
I’d like to know what was on this sign beside Fort Moultrie at the bottom of Station 12 St., and whether there’s any white stones down that way.
The Twelfth Station is where JC died on the cross.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stations_of_the_Cross
There aren’t many actual “lanes” on Sullivan’s island. Sea Breeze Lane is near the church. Doubt if it’s suitable, but can’t really make it out.
Sullivan’s Island has these markers all over the place that look like they might be white stone. Or are they wood? Street signs I suppose; I haven’t been able to read the writing on any of them…
I’m completely open-minded about this really; open to radical theories. It might not be right next to the monument. It might be several feet away from it.  ;D
Maybe you could take 12 paces from that white stone “street marker” by the monument shown above, and see where that gets you.
Is this about 12 paces…?

I am new…I have been waiting on admin approval for the forum, but have used a guest login to browse through a few of the threads awhile back…
White…I can go down anytime to grab some shots of this sign (or any sign for that matter)-I live and work in and around Charleston, and am game to go gather information!

tjgrey

I am new…I have been waiting on admin approval for the forum, but have used a guest login to browse through a few of the threads awhile back…
White…I can go down anytime to grab some shots of this sign (or any sign for that matter)-I live and work in and around Charleston, and am game to go gather information!

Greetings TJ! Nice to have you aboard. The treasure in your city is quite the enigma. Hopefully we can crack the case.
If you are ever in the area, would you mind taking pics of the area below? I think there might be something of interest there.

rookhunter

Greetings TJ! Nice to have you aboard. The treasure in your city is quite the enigma. Hopefully we can crack the case.
If you are ever in the area, would you mind taking pics of the area below? I think there might be something of interest there.

Thanks! And not a problem! I will keep you posted on when I get down there!
And a few posts back, the tower structure was brought up (probably again) on the forehead of the mask. I ran across this, and it reminded me of the shape if one were to look at the lighthouse at the right angle.

–beneath the 33 is a diagonal cross
–above and to the left of the 36 (right side of pic, in mane) is a 4, possibly a 45 if the 5 “melts” into the upper half of the 3 in 36
–to the right of the mask is what looks to be a horizontal pole with a “rope” hanging so that this arrangement is in the shape of eyeglasses.  Behind this arrangement of lines is a diagonal line leading up and to the right and then bending up and to the left towards the 36.
Does this mean something?  I have no idea.
–Johann

lol

UnprovenFact

Full disclosure: Admittedly, I was not even aware of The Secret until the airing of one of my favorite shows earlier this year. Yes, I am one of those people on here. Unlike the real diehard fans of the book who have been collaborating and searching for years, I just dvr’d an episode of ExU, and here we are. However, I will try to do my best. (If short on time, Scroll to last paragraph for the good part. But where is the fun in that?)
A couple things about me before I get started… First, I do not proclaim to be an expert at anything. If what I have to say sounds uninformed, it might actually be. Second, even I will agree that some of my ramblings may get a little repetitive and off track at times, and I will try to stay as coherent and on-point as I can. No guarantees. Third, I have been reading hundreds of posts and looking at thousands of photos, traveling up and down the streets of Charleston (with Google Maps, of course), perusing magazine and newspaper articles, as well as reading up on the overall history of Charleston and its many museums, forts, historic homes and the people who lived there. If I post something that seems like old news, my apologies. I have so much bouncing around in my head on this that I can’t keep it all straight.
I like Charleston and the surrounding area as a vacation spot. I had been there a few years ago with no knowledge of The Secret. To think I may have been standing on top of it and not even known. After doing some reading, I drove down there earlier this month to poke around a little. Clearly, I didn’t find anything, or my one and only post on here would just read, “Found it!” I formed a plan and made two carefully thought-out lists: One was buildings, parks, streets and forts to inspect, photograph and crawl around. The other was restaurants. I like to eat, and I needed my strength for all that searching.
Now, let’s get to it…
Unfortunately for you all, I kind of have to start at the beginning. For me, that is Image 2. Obviously. Although it appears not everyone is in agreement that it is depicting Charleston, I think I am in the majority who say it is clearly Charleston. The Charleston area has a clear historic link to Africa. By no means am I saying it is a good link, but it is what it is, and we can all learn from history.
Breaking down the parts of Image 2 from top to bottom:
The Lion: I was not able to get a real lion at the zoo to sit still long enough to inspect its face, so I went online for photos to make some comparisons. Overall, the image looks pretty spot-on when compared to photos of actual lions. Some similarities are the general shape and coloring of the head, the eyes and the light patches underneath, and the contemplative look on the face. Some slight differences between the online photos and the Image 2 lion are the shape of the nose, ears and mane. However, I know not all lions are the same, so it seems like the differences are maybe coincidental or artistic preference and not necessarily intended to be clues other than the clear connection to Africa. There is a shadowy image on the forehead. To me, it looks like the designs in the slate rocks used to make sidewalks all over Charleston. Or maybe a rough sketch of a city’s boundary lines. So why a male lion? There are female lions in Africa. Female lions have foreheads. Maybe a male is a more powerful image. Maybe we need the connection of “King” later. Maybe it has to be a male lion, so he can give it a strange hairline and hide markings in the mane that appear to be letters, numbers, and/or shapes. Some think they see “Navy Yard” in the top of the mane. Maybe it is “Heyward”. As for the numbers, we all seem to think we know what they are, so I will move to the Mask.
The Mask: It appears to be a reference to African culture as well. Some tribes or groups would carve masks for specific purposes – rituals, ceremonies, special occasions, war, etc. I found so many examples online. Some are big. Some are small. Some are short. Some are long. Some have huge holes for eyes. Some have tiny slits for eyes. Some have an outline over the eyebrow area. Some are painted. Some have hair, fur, feathers, teeth and such. Some are very crude carvings. Some are beautifully crafted, ornate pieces of art. But not one of the examples I saw online had a map of Charleston on the forehead. Pretty sure it’s Charleston. Moving on…
The “glasses” are not glasses. It looks more like a line (rope) draped over the crossbar or boom of a ship’s mast. Or something very similar. Any sailors, please chime in on the correct terminology. As an example, check out the mast/flagpole at the Carolina Yacht Club located 50 E. Bay Street. Or, really, any sailboat anywhere. The Yacht Club’s flag is a red and blue pennant with a white star in the center. That may come up later.
Now, The Fairy: We are apparently not all in agreement here. Cannons? Peacock feathers? Birds? Eskimo? Cobblestones? Beaches? I think I see a reverse of Sullivan’s Island on her lower right wing. Maybe. While I do see what other people are referring to as cannon(s) and stones and birds, the book talks about fairies, maybe it is just a fairy. But then why not go with a cute little smiling Tinkerbell-looking fairy? I think the image of the woman is more important than her fairy-ness. So, to me, she is not a fairy. She is a woman in a bikini standing in front of some butterfly wings. And for the wings, I would like to think that if JJP wanted to make mirror images of the wings, he would have the talent to do so. There must be some reason that the wings and the images on them are not symmetrical. Back to the woman. Her arms are folded with her hands just under her chin. Some think the shadows formed by her hands resemble a palm tree. Maybe. But I don’t think that correlates with the Verse 6 “Long Palm’s Shadow” unless it is just meant to connect the verse to the image. She has bracelets on which could symbolize slavery. Another post pointed out her resemblance to Wonder Woman. Maybe we are looking for an amazonium mine. Her eyes appear closed. Is she asleep? Just waking up? And why is she wearing what she is wearing? It must be to emphasize her body form. I believe there are only two other painted fairies in the other images – 5 and 11. The Image 5 fairy is a reference to a fountain in which there are several loosely-clothed figures, and fairy 5 is clothed similarly. The Image 11 fairy appears to reference a painting in which the figure is fully clothed, and fairy 11 is again clothed similarly. So, we need to find something similar-looking in the area. A statue or painting maybe. Also, I don’t think there is any writing or numbers in her hair. I think it is again meant to look like something in the area. Her “bikini bottoms” appear to be folded and loose, except for the middle portion. It appears brighter and sharp. An arrow? A sail? Not sure, but it is clearly different from the rest of her outfit.
The Tree: The branch looks like any tree branch on just about any tree. It kind of resembles the shape of the live oak tree branches in the parks. I don’t know that the exact type is as important as the overall reason for it being there. One school of thought is that it is a map of the highway connecting Charleston to Mount Pleasant, and then on to Sullivan’s Island and Fort Moultrie. I understand that Sullivan’s Island was said to be the “Ellis Island of slavery” which further connects the image to Africa. However, while I enjoyed searching all over Fort Moultrie and the surrounding beaches and connecting everything to Poe, Osceola (or Oceola), and so on, I still think the location is Charleston. We might need to know about Sullivan’s Island, Fort Moultrie, Poe, etc. But having everything else point to Charleston just to have the location be on Sullivan’s Island is like having all the clues pointing to San Francisco and saying, “Ok, now let’s go look in Oakland.” Our tree branch may resemble the roads, which have changed since the 80’s, but I think it is more likely that it just represents a tree. It may also be a decorative addition to have something from which the pear and pedant hang.
The Pear: Some think it points us to the Pearman Bridge, which came down after the new Ravenel Bridge opened in 2005. I think it is just a pear. Actually, I think it is a loquat. But rather than paint a loquat and have readers wonder what that funny looking pear is doing there, JJP pained a pear – something most people would recognize. There are loquat trees all over the area, and if I need to make a loose connection here: Loquat… in the Lowcountry? Heh? Maybe not. It is also possible that the faint image below the pear is a base, and the pear resembles a ball shape. This can be seen atop the brick gateposts at some of the historic homes and plantations. Or maybe it’s just a pear.
The Flower: It appears to be a daisy. But the center is not a raised fluffy yellow button like you see on daisies. It is a flat oval shape. Given that the round table in the SF image is thought to be the trolley turnaround, maybe this is also pointing us to something flat and round (or oval) we should be seeing. Like a penny, or a table top. The daisy also has a shadow, which I think is just a possible connection to the verse. Daisy looks like a palm tree, has a shadow… “Beside the Long Palm’s Shadow”. That may be the only connection. It does look pretty busted up for a normally pretty flower. If it is only supposed to resemble a palm or palmetto tree, then ok, it does. Sort of. But if it is intended to reference something else, I don’t yet know what.
The Pendant (Fort Sumter): I don’t get it. We have this beautiful painting of a lion, a mask, a pear and a fairy, and then… a cartoon-looking pendant. Where is all the intricate detail found in the rest of the image? This is just a clock with big goofy eyes and a jacked-up grill. I have looked all over for anything that resembles the mouth. Could be stairs. Maybe a boat of some sort. Maybe it looks like teeth, because it is supposed to resemble the pointy teeth found on some African masks. At first, the eyes looked to me like manhole covers. Look at the sidewalk outside the First Presbyterian Church at Market and Tradd. Maybe they are FDC caps from a specific building we are looking for. Maybe they are really screws. I think they look like Do Not Enter street signs – like those at King and S. Battery… or Church and Water St. Water is a theme in the images and verses, and there is a cross in the lion’s mane. Again, not sure. This next part is a little tricky. Mostly because I just really want it to be right. After looking at the Ft. Sumter pendant and then a map of Charleston, and then back and forth, back and forth, it finally hit me. The Sumter clock is set to 4:00, but it is off-center just slightly. Maybe this is True vs. Magnetic North, maybe something else… like what it refers to is also not quite North and South… like the streets of Charleston.
*Follow me here: If we overlay the Sumter clock hands on the map, they are a near-perfect match for Church and Water St. or Meeting and Water St. including the star on the face matching the star of the yacht club. If we use Church St., we have Do Not Enter signs for eyes. If we use Meeting, we have the manhole covers that we would pass as we move north. Either way, it puts the tip of the hour hand near the stairs on the battery. If we use Meeting St., the tip of the minute hand is near Four Corners of the Law, but more specifically, Washington Park. With Church and Water St. the tip of the minute hand is at the Heyward-Washington House and either way, “White house close at hand”. The HW house is not white, but Washington was a president… White House… Hand of a clock… We are close! I think the Sumter clock is a map to our location. That is why it looks a little off when compared to the rest of the painting. To help it stand out as a “Hey, look at me. Use me.” Then the mouth with 12 white pointy teeth falls right about where White Point Garden is. It is not that the cask location is in WPG, it is just confirming the alignment of our map. If I can tie in the colored bars on the other cheek, we are good to go!
Thanks All!

I like this, most of it at least. The pear is a deliberately strange object to put in this image. It has significance.
It is hard to picture the mask in the shape of Fort Sumter as not being a reference to Sumter. Now, it could have a dual purpose and be a map overlay as you’ve suggested.
I also do not agree that the branch is insignificant. If I am correct, there are no pines in WPG, but there are in Hampton Park.
What is interesting to me is that you’ve analyzed the location without applying a Verse. That’s pretty cool, but the way this game works is to pair them and use both to determine the final location.

Unprovenfact, you put a tremendous amount of work into this….well done.
You may find people here who agree with all or some of your ideas, or you may have people that think you are out of your mind. I’ve been in both boats myself. But keep this in mind, we are all correct until someone proves your solve right or wrong.
Good Luck

Boone Hall also has butterfly-shaped lakes. At least, they say they do – I can’t see them from satellite images.

A wingless bird ascended
Born of ancient dreams of flight
Perhaps this is a bit far-fetched, but I’ve previously wondered if the “wingless bird” and the flying woman in the picture might relate to the figure of Mary that stands atop Stella Maris.
(Trivia corner: Osceola was imprisoned at St Augustine in Florida before being taken to Fort Moultrie. “Juan Ponce de Leon” means “John punched the lion”.)

If the thing is buried at Fort Moltrie, why include Fort Sumter??
Fort Moltrie is part of Fort Sumter in the national Park system…
they are managed as one unit.  The verse supports Moltrie over
Sumter because you can drive to Moltrie by car (Lane)
but Sumter, you need a boat.
And historically, Sumter was built to replace Moltrie.

Here is a link for all of the lights of South Carolina.
http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/history/WEB … /LHSC.html
It has been common for BP to use words in place of other words
so as to not give away a term…. (ie mica for sand)
Can he have chosen ‘arc’ to be used instead of ‘range’?
Lots of old photos.  The verse fits.
Can wingless bird be a cannon ball?

This may have been mentioned already…

“The wings of war”

Unknown

Unknown:
One thing to look at in the book:  There is a map that shows how the fairies traveled from Europe to America.  Each group has a horizontal line from their country of origin heading east.
Maybe the lines intersect with the state that the fairies settled in?  Tie this together with the type of stone each fairey had from the verse on pp 20-21 and the picture of the stone in each image to figure out what image goes with what state?

The problem with this theory is regarding the information that one casque resides in Canada and the rest in the United States.  By simply extrapolating those straight lines on a latitudinal map, the top 3 or 4 (at least) could be in no location other than Canada because they are so far north — unless I am mistaken.
I had wanted this map to be an additional clue very badly, but if it is, it doesn’t appear to be that simple.

Yes, Mardi Gras is a specific day–it’s Tuesday. Fat Tuesday, specifically, the day before Lent begins on Ash Wednesday. It’s always the day before, which will be exactly 47 days before Easter occurs (since Ash Wednesday occurs 46 days prior to Easter.) That means it can fall any time between Feb 3 and March 9.

So here’s a comparison of the capstan in White Point Gardens to the nose of the lion in Image 2:
I realize that any similarity is only “suggestive” and not exact, as so many other examples are (e.g. wall, columns, fountain in the Cleveland pic, and the fence post, arch, and statue in the Chicago pic).  But I figure what the heck, can’t hurt to throw it out there.

slappy pm me the # ill call
and ilke your connections to the flag
across the street from the monument with the sundial on it
is and old hotel,fort sumter hotel, one king street
now condos

I think you have found a secret to JJP’s skills here Slappy.  He is a trickster.

Looking at the butterfly lady’s hair in image 2, I first thought it
looked like thorns…then I thought..it’s more like an eagle’s nest.
There is at least one business in Charleston, called “Eagle’s Nest”.
It is a gift shop at 188 Meeting St., in the Market Hall and Sheds.
No luck yet in finding out if they were in business in 1981.
It would take “feet on the ground” to see if there were a sign or
visual confirmer.  It might explain why John Palencar drew the lady’s
hair in such a hard stick-like way.

thanks boogieman!  but it wasn’t just me and……nothing has been found yet
…….think we’re going to have to get up a fund for our hunters, or if we could find someone in the towns to give someone free room for a week or something, i think i’m gonna ask my friends on facebook if they know someone living in charleston.  maybe we can do this for all the cities.  and when someone can go a certain city, we can all concentrate on that “one” city or image at the same time.  what do you think?
ck….
i’ve been concentrating on this little area in the image:
wondering if the limbs could be..
the one on the left–james island ferry
down the middle–king street
bottom one–white point gardens, wherever the best view of ft. sumter would be, because it goes on down toward ft. sumter
doesn’t really seem to point to any one place, maybe someone can see better than me
unless it points to something specific…….or someone can see something in the shapes, i’m not seeing anything
i tried rotating a map…..but i closed it b4 saving it, will try again later
earlier, i was trying to work on the word “century”…..can just mean “a period in time” or 100 of something, maybe “1 C”, tried to find something with any of those, no luck so far
also wonder if that drooping petal on the daisy means anything…like jasper’s drooping flag:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tmartin/45 … otostream/
http://popartmachine.com/item/pop_art/L … -D4-5794..
.

The limbs representing streets is a good idea…the do look rather ‘map-like’.  However, if this isn’t the case, they sure do look a lot like the tree behind and to the right of the Jasper statue you linked.  Would BP, thinking that these would be solved rather quickly, use tree trunks in his images?

animal painter

There is at least one business in Charleston, called “Eagle’s Nest”.
It is a gift shop at 188 Meeting St., in the Market Hall and Sheds.
No luck yet in finding out if they were in business in 1981.

Today,I called the phone number which was listed for “The Eagle’s Nest” gift shop.
It was answered by another store name.  The person who answered said
that The Eagle’s Nest was in business for many years…including the 1980’s.
It closed 3-4 years ago.  She said that the shops at Market Hall and Sheds can be seen
from the sidewalk. (It is not an enclosed mall.)
This tells me that there at least
was
an “Eagle’s Nest” in our historic area which
had a sign visible to the public in 1980.
Whether that is of any use now…
AP

look what they’ve done to the gazebo
but it doesn’t look like 3 to 4 feet to me
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_X7M7a33yq-k/S … ++9.09.jpg
i’ve got the guy’s phone number if someone’s brave enough to call and see if they found something  ;D

Oh my! What are they doing..and when?
Thank goodness for old photos.
Here is a link to a photo taken on the promenade
along the Battery.  What is that obelisk-looking thing
in the background?  a smokestack?…a memorial?
Jstarr, do you know what that is?
I can’t seem to find it on any aerial shot.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thomasawol … 0/sizes/l/

AP, here’s the original site…i just always enlarge it so i can see.
this past summer
http://paintcharlestondaily.blogspot.co … stand.html
they’ve got that flagpole blocked (same site, lower down)
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_X7M7a33yq-k/S … +9.+09.jpg

I have a cultural note for anyone interested in some of the introductory text. Whiterabbit mightve asked about this, but I couldnt find it in a search. Also, I dont have my book anymore, so i might be fuzzy on the details.
There was a phrase used in the story about the African fair folk or tree spirits: “jump up”. From context, you know it had to do with dancing to drums. In a book about the early days of Calypso music. Major recognition in America came from huge artists known as Lion in the 1930’s and 40’s, and Sparrow in the 50’s. The term “jump up” is loosely connected to the Carribbean but it was popularly used in connection with drum bands from Trinidad and Tobago.
Does anyone have a good archive collection of National Geographic? This is very old in my memory, but I did a school presentation on Trinidad in 1980 and cited an issue of National Geographic which went into such details. I would like to know if “jump up” was used in that article.
I still think the moth winged woman is Calypso, supporting the idea that the treasure is somewhere in conndction with a steel drum cistern. A container for holding (bind) water for drinking (a bar) is more accessible a notion to me than earthquake bolts. I like the association that drumming might have to an earthquake, but I wonder if its just too loose a fit.

forest_blight

Yep. The same could be said for the Statue of Liberty — only the face is a match.

Made me think of the fairy that represents the Spirit of the Great Lakes sculpture in Image 5. A similar stylistic choice there too

Does anyone see any kind of resemblance with the lines around the cross to the lower left in the lion’s mane? I kind of see the outline of Middle St (possibly in two areas). Just throwing that out there…
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i like her AP!

Lions forehead appears to be the reverse image of Charleston waterway. I can make out Charleston’s’ Peninsular, Cooper river, Wando river and Mt. Pleasant. I noticed that each MAP image does not include Sullivan Island. There is also an unusual outline, of woman’s right wing, that matches a distinct waterway for image 7.

wk

Charles Towne Landing Historic Site
If the image is inverted, this swampy water area resembles the marks on the Lion’s Forehead.
http://goo.gl/maps/svBTj

yes, I had this idea last year. Unfortunately, the outline seems to change depending on the view, map or tide.

Yeah, and with Charles Towne Landing, there are several things that have happened more recently (since the 2000s). I always liked the idea, but I could never find the visuals there, and from the times I’ve gone anyway, you can’t really get too far into the historic landmarks and such without having to pay for a ticket to get in. (Unless this was different in the 70s/80s…)
I always liked the pillory as “two arms extended…bar that binds” too…

Those are some interesting thoughts, Rookhunter.  West Coleman is a Boulevard, so may I suggest that if you are going to look in the area, look for the word “Lane” somewhere.  Since Lane is separate from 222 in the Verse, this would make sense that they would be 2 separate clues.

Hmmm… too quiet here.

Sorry Merlot That was not my intent.

Good luck.
How did it go?

Wow, there’s a lot going on in that image. Look closely at it for awhile. Figure vs. ground.

forest_blight

Wow, there’s a lot going on in that image. Look closely at it for awhile. Figure vs. ground.

You mean, it’s not just a lion?

I have no doubt this is an influence.  I just don’t see it being a clue in itself, particularly the roman numeral III as recerence to the 3 cent piece.

Just for fun:
1968

It’s a lion all right…the similarity ends there…

hi WhiteRabbit!
i’m just rereading all the posts myself and taking notes.  i’ve been gone for quite awhile, and it  seems quiet here, but i’ll be getting back into it once my notes are up to date.  welcome to the hunt! the outline of charleston and fort sumter are all in the image. and the old pearman bridge and oysters or cannons. seems it just needs to be pinned down to exact place.  good luck!

gManTexas

Let’s reel this in a bit. There is clearly animal imagery in Image 2. We have a huge lion, a primate, and what appears to be birds. Where in Charleston do we or did we have these animals?
Or do people think this is just a reference to Africa in general?

I think Lion may have two meanings, one to signify Africa and the other to possible signify a person or that person’s persona. I see the the mask as also being representative of the slave trade, not necessarily a primate. I’ve seen a few people talk about birds but I see them more as a cobblestone design worked into the fairy’s wings. I’ve had the pleasure of visiting Charleston many times and these cobblestone streets seem to pop up everywhere when you’re downtown.

the lion is representative of e Africa and the door knocker on 50 East Bay St….I already released the full solution for this…
the birds are the birds that nest above the bandstand in april (see my youtube video)…they are large and loud waterbirds.

Actually, in this spot, there are three lighthouses that
work in tandom… the one highlighted here,
is the most modern and the one at the Fort.
I believe, drving down Station 22, the three of them
form a spread of lights in front of you.
I am using the mathematical image of arc as meaning
a space connecting points…

Since the main clue to its location comes from a map would the light not arc from above?
I have been watching this for awhile but never had anything constructive to say…..but this really gets the juices flowing

Nice job.  I think we’ve put it all together now.  We just have to find the right park, and the right verse.

I’m going to try to post these here.
Most of P2 is a map.
I’ve been playing around with Google Earth.  Fun!
If the pictures don’t post here correctly, check it out at:
http://community.webshots.com/user/stercox
(Under V2 which should really read P2 sorry)

Patriot’s Point has a huge golf course.  Its hard to guess if its the possible dig site or just a marker on the map and the site is further east?  (or where the site really is at all or what the map means or where its leading…) The one fully visiible eye on the large African mask could be a golf club head??

If the cypress stem is a map, which I am inclined to believe, how does it advance the search? We already had enough information to tell this was in Charleston from the harbor map on the mask. Is there something about the map that narrows it down?
If stercox is correct about the map, then following it far enough would lead to Sullivan’s Island, which has four very big points in its favor.
1. Sullivan’s Island has beaches which, when viewed from above, remind one of the edges of our butterfly’s wings.
2. It is very close to Charleston, which we
know
P2 leads us to.
3. As fox noted recently, “Sullivan’s Island, a tiny quarantine station in Charleston harbor, became the Ellis Island of black America.  Thousands of slaves taken from Africa and shipped to America landed here between 1619 and 1808.”
4. (and this is my favorite…) Sullivan’s Island is where Edgar Allen Poe’s famous treasure-hunting story
The Gold Bug
was set — and where the treasure was found to be buried. What better place??

And Sullivan’s Island has the fort
that pre-dated Sumter as it was being
built:  Fort Moultrie.
The only way into Sullivan’s Island is via
Ben Sawyer Way… but the military
designation is Station 22 1/2.
Could this be our:
Lane
Two Twenty two  ?
Or more descriptively…
Two Lane Road – Twenty Two.

As a followup to my last post connecting the
verse to the image…
take a look at the towns homepage
(and the historic photos used as its header)
http://www.sullivansisland-sc.com
The last photo on the right….
unlabled but….
“Beneath the only standing member
of a forest to the South”
hmm…..

More confirmation of the connection….
http://www.funbeaches.com/Sullivan’s-Island.html
“Weight and roots extended”
“Together saved the site”
The defeat of the British due to the plentiful
Palmetto Tree.  Recognized on the state seal and flag.
Now, seems like a single standing member of a forest.
Remember to get permission to dig out.
Are we having fun yet?

“Weight and roots extended
Together saved the site”
Wikipedia, on Fort Moultrie: “The fort was unnamed and not yet complete when Admiral Sir Peter Parker and nine British warships attacked it on June 28, 1776, near the beginning of the American Revolutionary War.
Legend has it that the soft palmetto logs did not crack under bombardment but rather absorbed the shot
; in any case, Charleston was saved from capture, and the fort was named for the commander in the battle, William Moultrie.”
“Of granite walls”
Wikipedia, on Fort Sumter: “
Seventy thousand tons of granite
were imported from New England to build up a sand bar in the entrance to Charleston harbor, which the site dominates.”
Fort Moultrie is a unit of Fort Sumter National Monument.

NOoooo!  Say it ain’t so!  At this point, it’s possible.  Ouch

Sulivan’s Island’s lighthouse (
“Citadel in the night”
?) is kind of famous. Built in 1962, it’s known for being:
– Just down the street from Fort Moultrie;
– One of the most modern lighthouses in the US, perhaps the most powerful;
– Being the only lighthouse using an elevator to take Coast Guard personnel to the lantern room for maintenance (
“a wingless bird ascended”
?)
The
“arc of light”
in the verse may be referring to the lighthouse; you would certainly see it, the light being visible from 26 miles out to sea.
Also, there seems to be a forest/bunch of trees south of it; the lighthouse could very well be
“the only standing member of a forest (to the south)”
.

If anyone can see more than I,
more power to you, but I can not
fathom how to get closer than this without
being there.
A tree and a white stone… where’s waldo?

And…

The cross in the lion’s mane:

Why is this an
arc of lights
? I don’t get it. The
arc
has to be key, here, the thing that makes you go “ahh,
now
I get it.” I don’t get that from the lighthouse.

davinci4

. One question I had was regarding the tree that was out front in the 80s. Do we know what type it was? Would have been really amazing if it was a pear tree.

Just a quick follow-up on this one, as I was never able to find a definitive answer. Besides NPS, I also reached out to the Seminole Nation’s Ah-Tah-Thi-Ki Museum with a research request, but the manager I spoke with had no information since Osceola’s burial and subsequent gravesite maintenance was handled entirely by the US Government. Her best guess was that the “missing tree” beneath Osceola’s grave might actually be a mahogany, and that it could have either grown naturally or been planted by Fort Moultrie personnel.
So there’s that.

Detroit Lions are a football team.
My former college roommate currently has my copy of the book, but as I recall, there may have been something hidden in the lion’s mane.  For anyone who has the book — is there anything there?

Yes, Johnson is a common name. I’m exploring and explaining just one approach best I can. I’m not saying its the best approach, just an option for consideratuon, so you might want to adjust the tone of your arguement.
Note the use of the word “or” being used to connect the various lines after “harken”. I believe that LINK is expected to be some commonality. What is that?
Harken, by the way, doesnt mean only spoken words, just words that are given special attention, written or otherwise. Im exploring the track that harken is being used in the sense that there is a subject of leadership involved. We might harken to Vesey leading a revolt, or MLK delivering his speech, or the words of our President. I explored the name Johnson first as common as it is when I learned the Keeper story, significant for a number of reasons: April 8th event (on the eighth a scene), being a murder (the scene of a crime), his wife buried a box of diamond jewelery and other valuables on the Cape Romaine island (Treasure on an Island ties in with the Robert Louis Stevenson reference), Cape Romaine’s two lighthouses might be thought of as twins (giving reason for the use of Edwin/Edwina), and the Keepers name was Andrew Johnson same as the Vice President of Abraham Lincoln (White house close at hand, such as when VP becomes acting President as happened when Lincoln was shot at the theater).
I’ve looked into the “neck order” selection of medals introduced in US history.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neck_order
Medals of Honor, Merit, Valor, Freedom, etc. If the medal of Sumter featuring a single star in image 2 is any indication, then the medal of Freedom is possibly an accessible idea readers of the Secret in 1982. I dont know the details of the public record for the Presidential Medal of Freedom, but in combination with “birth of a century” being specifically the first year of a century in terms of US with a beginning year of 1776, then 1877 and 1977 are both candidates. As common as the name Johnson may be, there is room for consideration that “Bird” Johnson is an important discovery as we stand and listen (hearken) to the birds.
Also, in terms of lat and long, Cape Romaine isnt to be ruled out, since people have argued that it is too far away from Charleston. If the lat/long are to be adhered to, than any place within about 50 miles is possible, since then you’d be looking at a new lat or long, thats what it means to be “too far away”.
My guess about Liberias first African born President is just a guess. Its possibly a blip on the “radar” or its just coincidental. He ties in only vaguely given he held the same job as Blyden as Secretary of Foreign Affairs and later became President. His birth has importance only as much as people might argue some detail about Virginia Dare in search of Image 3’s casque near Roanoke, since she was the first American born English person of the Colonies. The question is whether this information is accessible to BP’s 1982 audience and whether it fits his paradigm for the Fair Folk treasure hiding. I think he uses uniquely important details and makes work for the keen observer. Symbolism and near exact matches are blended in to carry specific ideas that point to a location. If there is a “bar that binds” to be found at Cape Romaine’s lighthouses, then I think the water cistern drum barrel standing above ground is an option. A “bar” is a place you might go if you’re thirsty, so why not go to a water cistern which holds (hold = to bind) water.
Returning to the linking of ideas after harken: perhaps fatboaC refers to Lady “Bird” Johnson receiving the Presidential Medal of Freedom, perhaps Edwin/Edwina’s Blyden links us to Liberia, perhaps May 1913 is the birth if the most recent Liberian President Tolbert, and perhaps April 8th is our murder scene involving a man with the same full name as a US President, Andrew Johnson, same last name as a previous Liberian President in Blyden’s time, same last name as a “Bird”. Maybe thats what our harkening is to determine.

Since both pear and flagpole’s ball (minute hand of the clock) are hanging off the branch then maybe they are one of the same.
The flagpole’s shadow (hour hand) is at 4 O’clock.
The clock is hanging off the branch by the minute hand’s tip (flagpole’s ball) and pointing to 12 O’clock position.
The pear ball is hanging upside down off the pole meaning it’s pointing to 6 O’clock direction.
This means turn the clock 180 degrees.
Then the pole’s shadow (hour hand) would be pointing to 10 O’clock position, pointing in direction of white point garden.

burnstyle

Most people seem to think it represents the old pearman bridge near WPG.

Yes, this is kind of going against the grain here, much like using a verse that is not Verse 6… but until we really
know
what the pear represents, it could be anything. I think if it was only intended to reference the bridge, it would only need to look like a pear – not a shiny gold ball with a base, perhaps a pole, which extends down into the flower. Also, if it was a reference to the old Pearman Bridge, I would have thought it to be more of an obvious reference. If it had a little man painted inside it, I would absolutely agree Pear + Man = Pearman… Bridge. Much like the Mill(stone) + Walk(ing cane) + Key = Milwaukee. Maybe they didn’t want to use that method twice. I am not the artist or the author, so I really can’t say for certain what it is. I am just throwing out another possibility.
While we are here, what if it really is the gold ball atop the flagpole in WPG? And somehow, the Ft. Sumter face-clock is the key? The eyes are the two cannon on either side of the path, the flagpole is the flagpole, the star and stripes are the flag, the ‘mouth’ is the sewer grate, etc. Maybe the flagpole casts a shadow on the dig spot? Possible?… yes. Likely?… ok, I’ll keep working on it.
I also wondered if the Hobson monument was the “White stone closest..” But that is another issue.

Unknown

Unknown:
Can we determine which definition is used in The Secret from the “100 paces” distance mentioned in verse 8 for the Milwaukee, WI casque?  I know that one hasn’t been found either, but most of the path for it was nailed down pretty well, so was that based on 5 foot or 2 1/2 foot long paces

Welcome Thanar!  When I paced out the Milwaukee site it was just a regular walked off measurement around 2 1/2 ft per pace–if it helps.

Nice to have a new set of eyes around here Thanar..welcome to the Zoo (no wilhouse, not your zoo… hehehehehe)

Welcome! Glad you could join in the hunt! There’s still one or two casques left, I think!

Oh…I finally read through this whole thread.  I feel completley okay with tossing out all of my ideas linking P2 with Milwaukee…or V8.  I feel like I’ve just recovered from a high fever and now things look all neat and tidy with respect to P2 as Charleston and V6 looks very good as its pairing.
I’m trying to judge how the picture could have a proportionality preference with respect to having a set of photos of key locations that all fit into a “nice” order when sticking the poetic sap to the purpose of directing us to the casque location.
Is it concievable that BP took photos from a scenic highpoint like a bridge or fort sumpter or downtown building?

Looks like it’s here.

Another “Alice” reference.
http://www.litchfieldplantation.com/litind.htm

I’ve been reading this and thought of something.  The state fruit of south carolina is the peach.  But it wasn’t the peach until 1984.  The secret was published in 1982,  2 years before the state fruit was changed to the peach.  the state fruit before that might have been the pear, and then we would know for sure that the casque was in charleston.  so far i havent been able to find out what the state fruit was in 1982 but i’ll keep trying.

I’ve noticed it too.  It could be rope hanging from a horizontal pole, but it is still in the shape of glasses.

Trying to keep Lobster going.  Do these #s mean anything to you?

boogie – interesting, but now that I look at your July 30 posting, I suddenly see what you were talking about. It’s a good match to the white part of the butterfuly wing. What statue is that?

That statue is located at Brookgreen Gardens at Pawleys Inlet SC.  A little too far north for where we are looking, but I thought I would use it to express my thinking.

Additionally I think in both of the actual found casques, none of them have been in different states than what was initially outlined in the paintings. I can appreciate the work and thought, but you’re way too far down the rabbit hole

…yeah, wasn’t being entirely serious there…

You need to come back to the conclusion that it’s possible that the lions main (no pun intended) symbolism could be the lions MANE and that the lions nose represents the MAINE capstan that was removed from white point garden.

…probably, although in seriousness I did wonder whether BP would base clues for the casque sites around military figures and hardware, as has often come up in the past, based on the central themes of the book. I’ve also been hoping for a proper human translation of the
arms extended / bar that binds
Japanese hint, because I think it might rule out solutions based on sand bars and cannons…
To find the keys is your reward
For Fairy, peace the real accord.

Unknown

Unknown:
Same goes for “Bar that binds”, the question of which bar becomes a riddle.

Want an ACTUAL bar that binds? Look up “Earthquake bolts”. Especially ones with lion heads on the ends. You might be surprised that there are actually BARS that BIND. And that they are in Charleston.
Charleston lies on a fault line known as the Woodstock fault, which geologists have determined was caused by a subterranean lava “bloom” that cracked tectonic plates millions of years ago. The adjusting layers caused a severe earthquake in Charleston on August 31, 1886, destroying hundreds of homes throughout the city and damaging many more. Because of the shaking effect that the earthquake shocks had in knocking down walls in many homes, thereafter a number of houses in the city were adorned with metal rods passing through joists and connected by bolts on outer walls. These earthquake bolts can be seen in the form of stars, crosses or round plates on many older homes around Charleston.
Also…just a pet peeve of mine: it’s not Fort SUMPTER. It’s Fort SUMTER. There is no P in it.

If the earthquake bolt theory is correct, then we can have some confidence this casque is still findable. Buildings that are old enough to have such a bolt are worth preserving, so if a casque is under such a bolt, I’d be inclined to think it is still there.
P.S. Some of them have lion faces on them.

Image 2 and verse 6 ideas.
Note: Blackbeard works better as a NC Beaufort Inlet connection, but I’m taking a moment to consider thenBeaufortnin SC just south of Charleston.
Searching to see if other mentions of this came up empty in the forums.  The image has Africa themes, then verse has Blackbeard themes.  There is Beaufort in SC and theres Fort Beaufort in Africa.  I see pigeons in the wings.  There’s a Pigeon Point Park in Beaufort.  Theres a Lady’s Island and a Cat Island.  In the art world a sitting cat is the shape of a pear…not my cat though, he’s on the slim side.  Other ideas about the pear have me thinking ‘garden of Eden’ (gold fruit) but also “pair”…which is why I liked the double lighthouse theory so much.
I spent a couple days looking at Edwin/a and 1913 May stuff.  Lots of Gettysburg 50th year veterans stuff, but no distinct SC related memorials or plaques. I thought 1913 might be a Centennial 100 year of something born in 1813, but again nothing discernible, yet.
Charleston is the oldest town in SC.  Beaufort is the 2nd oldest.
I know its Sumter, but why do those old historical maps use Sumpter instead?  In reference to wk’s link I simply deferred to what was n use…
I know this doesnt add anything new but the shape of South Carolina sorta looks like the shape of the upper left wing.
The Beaufort Lighthouse has a white house close at hand.  Does the word “hand” imply a Sundial Clock method is in use?  Im still in favor of the idea since a spherical golden colored orb seems to be in the forehead of the mask up and to the left of the tower outline/shadow on the charleston image.

Merlot Brougham

Other than the Preiss’ listed exceptions for flower gardens and cemeteries, nothing is specifically mentioned, no.  At the same time though, we do know that he was burying the casks covertly, so I do consider the implications Preiss would have had to think about in terms of leaving a busted up patch of sod in a high traffic area.
Pure speculation, but had I been Preiss, I would have been very concerned about someone randombly stumbling upon a “disturbed” area and checking it out without necessarily knowing anything about the hunt.
There’s an annual treasure hunt in my city involving a silver medallion and a similar situation has actually happened in the past (i.e. Someone not involved with the hunt uncovered the medallion and ended the game due to chancing upon it).

Thanks Merlot! I agree. Maybe part of the reason he buried them kind of deep at 2-3′ was for that reason? I don’t know many that would stumble on something in a public park or the like that deep. Unless park renovation…
Anyway, just thinking about the historic sites here in Charleston. So MUCH falls under that when you talk parks, the downtown, forts, etc. I’m just trying to think from his point of view…because I doubt the NPS rules have relaxed much, even in 30 years.
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in the summer time and through most of the fall, you can crawl the bridge to folly faster than you can drive. although, many times I did this because i simply couldn’t drive… mmm… beer.

421, that reminds me more of a bridge.  Maybe a bridge that has a traffic jam once in awhile.  That plays into a Jamboree theory i have about the boyscouts.  Which bridges in Charleston have daily traffic jams?  Any of them raise or lift?

Thought the official logo is a pretty good match.
http://stellamarischurch.org/page/christmas-schedule-2017
Regards,
Mac

In case it turns out to be relevant, here is yet another satellite image of bclews’ sandbar a few miles SW of Charleston. Note the resemblance to the fairy’s wings. Also note how much erosion has occurred since the last photos were posted.
I wonder what it looked like in 1982? Worth pursuing?

Can we speculate on what the markings on the lower mask might represent? If the colors red, white, and blue are significant, what could they represent? The U.S.A.? That’s hardly helpful. The colors occur in that order on the flag of the Netherlands, though. Could that tie in? And what about the star?

slappy found this in reference to
simms wrote the Cassique of Kiawah”, looks mighty close to “casque”, couldn’t find out what it meant
this is all i good get, second paragraph
http://books.google.com/books?id=128X55 … &ct=result
and the golf course
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=n … +of+Kiawah

does it mean chief cw?
the bust of simms is in white point gardens, that’s why i mentioned him.  i looked through so many pictures, mostly, cthree’s, cedarcell’s,  and forest_blight’s i think.  i was trying to find something from verse 6 to fit,
………..and to see if there was any merit to studying the fair people
http://www.waymarking.com/gallery/image … f533de0874
forest_blight’s picture of pirate’s:
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/24 … 3633hzSGsQ
“just deserts”………which could be “deserts” like saharan and serengeti………..doesn’t this sound like the wordplay BP would have used?
cedarcell’s hunley fountain:
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/14 … 2359KzjRve
“abiding taste for water”
cthree’s pics”
http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1158 … 4516Evwswu
is washington, dc one of these?………..and is it close to the pirate memorial?
cthree’s pics”
http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1158 … 4516qTWxLz
defenders
slit in gazebo:
http://flickr.com/photos/13453262@N03/2246137271/
cthree’s sandlapper:
http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1158 … 4516eVcMgF
i was thinking this was the clubfoot from the boogie man………but now i’m thinking,  foot……square (“clubfoot set so square”)
cthree’s sundial:
http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1158 … 4516VPPbnP
cedarcell’s base of hunley:
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/14 … 2359jyKbjc
the lady’s hair
cedarcells water meter covers:
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/14 … 2359JwCArz
cedarcell’s sumter memorial:
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/14 … 2359SgtTtm
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/14 … 2359fwQWyG
and another one:
http://flickr.com/photos/badbadivy/190419838/
cedarcell’ arm extended:
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/14 … 2359IjFexK
forest_blight’s:
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/29 … 3633uqfzBi
you know, fort sumter is just “hanging” by a rope (in the image) ( a reference to the pirate memorial?)………..i’m leaning to the pirate’s memorial because our lady (in the image)  is just
HANGING THERE, OUT ON A LIMB!
…………

i’ve been rereading this thread,  unschliemann and i saw where ravel07 had mentioned that elevator b4, i just didn’t remember it.
but since i reread all this, i have lots of new ideas to add
what with my studying the fair folks, i do think they are just generalizations, this image is the african image, and only 2 of the fair folks go with specifically with this one ( i think)…….the
GARDENgoyle
: HOUSEHOLD, and the
BOOGIE MAN
, CULTURALl……………….the spirit of ’76-POLITICAL, jack b. nimbus-ENVIRONMENTAL and chicago world’s fairy-rREGIONAL, go with all of the images (if i recall)
i like white point gardens ,  because it’ s (duh) a garden and cultural and i like the white points on the butterfly girl
notes from “the gardengoyle”: garden, sand, (sandlapper statue) (Saharan, serengeti desert), abiding taste for water (fountain), large frisky green spirit resembling an ambulatory shock of corn,, small withered brownish rust slighted
ambulatory to me meant laying down, but it means able to move around………like the parrot guns? it also means a place for cover out of the weather i think (the gazebo)
notes from “the boogie man”: music, dances, black, tan and blue, lion’s pride (image, king street), “shines on the wings of a jungle bird” made me think of the parrot guns,, middle class defectors (stede bonnet, gentleman pirate)looking to score on a credit plan, making beauty out of junk (the capstan? , or the guns?)
,he’s still getting down, when youre getting up ….sundial, morning hours?  2 white puppets trying to dance in too tight (the defender’s monument)
another idea i had for “Fair” was like “fair weather”. (jack b. nimbus)…for the sundial, hmm and the shadow would move
and then usually in poetry, “Fair” is usually talking about a woman and that defender’s monument with the shields (looks like the circles in the image to me) has the state seal, with the lady representing charleston and “hope” (spirit of ’76 mentions hope also).
the lady seems to be “hanging” out of nowhere………(pirates were hung)
limbs, arms (between two arms), tree limbs, or statues’ arms or legs, or the military arms (cthree’s munitions) (in the image the lady’s arms are crossed)
jambone found “below the bar that binds”, homer, about achille’s “heel”, a statue’s heel, or ……….maybe just the sandbar
i saw someone’s picture where at the base of the hunley, had scrollwork like the butterfly lady’s hair
captain flint from treasure island…..capstan, lol
simms wrote
the Cassique of Kiawah”
, looks mighty close to “casque”, couldn’t find out what it meant
one of cthree’s pictures had bricks with state names in it….was washington, dc in one of the bricks?  like for, “white house”?
sorry, my notes are so jumbled, most of this is not new, most came from cthree’s posts and everyone else’s, i think forest_blights find about edward blyden, is just pertaining to charleston (on one of the statues?)
cthree said the “hunley” said something about the 8th.
anyway, hope you guys are still looking here

erexere

try a drumstick.

That’s what I was using for my initial probing. There’s something down there, like 1-2″. But it may just be a root

drunknerds

Looking for some help with this solve:
I’m trying to take out my eyeballs, do I want to use a flathead screwdriver or a hexagonal socket wrench?
Thanks in advance, Preiss was really ambiguous about this part of the puzzle

I think a grapefruit spoon will work nicely.

Thanks Josh, here’s what I have:
The key to this picture is the eyes. Note that the lion’s eyes glow like a gem. The fairies eyes are closed: She doesn’t want to give away her gems. The pentagon at the bottom right resembles an african tribal mask to reinforce the African theme and direct our attention to the eyes:
The key is the eyes. If you want to reveal someone’s Secret, you look behind their mask
Now, pay attention to the double-arched skull, which is an exact match for when I x-rayed my brain while arching my eyes:
So, all I need to do is remove my own eyeballs and It’s in there. But both a hex-wrench and a flathead screwdriver seem necessary, which is confusingly redundant. So I’m stuck.

JoshCornell1

that wasnt serious…was it?

If it was serious, I would have said, “I’m 100% sure about my solve, but I don’t want to share details yet. All I can say is, someone’s getting stabbed in the face.”

drunknerds

If it was serious, I would have said, “I’m 100% sure about my solve, but I don’t want to share details yet. All I can say is, someone’s getting stabbed in the face.”

Hahahaha!

may have found the lion [ lion theme ]
Once the rods were in place, they could be slowly turned until the house was once
again level. The washers at the ends of the rods can be seen on the outside of
the homes. I noticed that several of the washers had been covered with decorative
metal lions’ heads. There is a definite lion theme in this area. It can be seen
in statues placed at front doors of homes, lion decorations placed on top of and
around buildings, and lion faces forged into the iron gates.
not sure if this would affect the casque ( Hurricane Hugo in 1989 )
the above from here
http://www.charlestonlowcountry.com/abo … gtour.html
cool clear water
http://community.webshots.com/photo/ful … 6643CjrMtz
sky view of battery 1980
http://www.sciway.net/photos/coast-sc/b … erial.html
white house close at hand…. governors house inn
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Edwar … Charleston
).jpg
map to house bottom of pg
http://www.twomeetingstreet.com/directions.htm
did not know this was in park, must be other stuff there
as yet unkown too, though this has nothing to do with verse
http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM9J1

cw, that obelisk site, had the word “embedded” in the description.
and it could be our “shock of corn”
something about it reminds me of the “h” in the mask in the image.
and “washington, dc” might be one of the markers at the bottom………..for “white house”
didn’t i read where someone saw an arrow in this image?
hmm, in “the boogie man”, twice it talks about the “sun” (for sundial)
“you hear him in the moonlight but lose him in the dawn” , ( moonlight would still cast a shadow), and “the boogie man’s still getting down when you’re just getting up”   ( which i thought was part of the flag stuff)
i would find washington, dc  here and dig, lol (maybe it’s around 8 o’clock)
http://www.waymarking.com/gallery/image … c41f4a45c2
also, there’s a part in “the boogie man” that mentions “ali” , the boxer..and he had that well know poem about “float like a butterfly, sting like a bee”.
in the book it says: “He made you want to blow like Bird, or shuffle like Ali.  Invisible and Beautiful.  Unsuppressible and Free!”
and here is forest_blights pic:
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/28 … 3633yBLHBj
the “wasp” and a “scene”
so……..maybe the guide does help?
by giving obscure hints, don’t you think?

tjgrey

Yes they said they put it in during a renovation then (2006 I think). I don’t think it was moved from somewhere (I.e. An original piece). To me it sounds like it was constructed but I can’t say. I can call them again but I’m just not sure entirely on the location itself. What do you guys think?
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Back to this, here is the email I received from someone at the College of Charleston library:
“Here is some general information on pillories in SC. An SC law in 1785 authorized each county to build a stocks and pillory and whipping post.
I scanned the list of laws passed in the city of Charleston before the American revolution and could find no specific mention of stocks or pillories.”
(It was just a couple scanned pages of a book that mentioned what pillories were used for. Nothing specific.)
So my takeaway is, each county was authorized to build, but I’m not certain that there were really any (original) built. Think this idea is out.

Unknown

Unknown:
– remember he also said a child can solve these –

Actually, he
didn’t
–that is not in the book.  It was, however, in
Michael Stadther’s
books. Both of them. Turns out, however, that it wasn’t true. No child actually DID solve either hunt, though one or two children helped their parents gather up the tokens in the first hunt.  The second hunt remains unsolved and unsatisfied, and if a child could solve it, it would have to be one very special child–with superpowers.

shecrab

Actually, he
didn’t
–that is not in the book.

I knew it wasnt in the book I thought he said either as a response to someones email or in one of his interviews. but I admit right now I can’t find it.
I thought it was when he said some are harder than others.

maltedfalcon

I am sure that the general methodology is the same from casque to casque

I very much agree with this. This has been an exceptionally stubborn hunt.  Naturally, people are going to get more and more creative with their proposed methodology as time goes on and the casques get less and less likely to be recovered.  But if your methodology isn’t very similar to the Chicago and Cleveland solves, you’re very, very likely barking up the wrong tree (and seriously wasting your time).

if you wish to adopt a successful methodology you might have to expand your horizons.
BP uses a triangle, a rectangle, a column in image 4.  How he uses a triangle might differ from casque to casque.
I’m proposing BP uses a triangle face of an octahedron in image 2.
Im wondering if image 5 used something of a spiral.

erexere

if you wish to adopt a successful methodology you might have to expand your horizons.
BP uses a triangle,

He used it to say Turn left at The Triangle, the name of a big shopping center.
If the shopping center was named the Brontosaurus, he would have put a picture of a Brontosaurus in the image.
he didnt use it for geometric or trigonometric plotting of a path.
you are over thinking this.

I presented some simple ideas as well.  Looking at a situation that requires counting the same number of steps to converge on a point shouldnt be too difficult to understand.
If theres a classic greek approach to one puzzle, why argue that there cant be one in another?

erexere

If theres a classic greek approach to one puzzle, why argue that there cant be one in another?

well thats easy. each image has a different “nationality” because of where each tribe of fairys come from.
did you read the book yet?

Maltedfalcon, you were suppose to recover a casque before I buy the book…
Why, are you saying Egbert couldn’t have found a casque with just image and verse alone?
Your Brontasaurus comment was especially weak.  Either you have no appreciation for the Classical Greek world or you are a Paleontologist and you’re implying that I should read the book to see the dinasaur connection…
Yes, my analysis comes from just those two sources.  Are you willing to consider my verifiable results?  How much more air tight can it be to see the relationship between predator and prey, mask and face, military and time, zookeeper and lighthouse keeper, fraternal twin names and fratriciding children of Eve, an eight sided building and an eight sided platonic solid?  If 19:13 using the suns shadow didn’t overlap precisely in May in the same area as described by a triangular face strictly defined by the “eyes of old” distance from each other, then I might not have believed in this myself.  We have the option to over think, but we also have the option to under think…