I don’t understand why guys who have failed to find a casque for so long piss on new ideas

dizalot

Found something new to me. A plus sign below the spoon next to the tea bag. Spoon plus tea???

I still dont understand why folks keep thinking tiny anomalies such as this are meaningful. I think we could find any image we want by looking at individual pixels. Just my two cents though.

dont have my book with me but are the fair people from the tale, which are associated with this P, from Scandanavia?  Maybe just a confirmer of sorts.

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could it just be the statue of queen elizabeth?  would it be possible to dig there without being seen? what is on her backside?

This sounds like the lead-in for a very bad pun…”What is on the backside of the Queen of England?”  Since this is a UK based forum, maybe we can get some of the natives to chime in with a punch line.
On the practical side, Preiss said there were no casques buried in ANY public or private flower beds. This is the main reason no one has dug in the gardens–that and the fact that they would have a person with a shovel drawn and quartered if they saw you digging there.  The entire place is highly protected.

that’s good sonoran, i kept looking at that side sideways and trying to make words out of it,……..like clock and ocracoke (where blackbeard roamed)
in the litany of the jewels:
Fairies of England proudly bear
Garnet, crown-jewel of their
QUEEN
! ( my bold isn’t working, so trying to make the word queen stand out)
could it just be the statue of queen elizabeth?  would it be possible to dig there without being seen? what is on her backside?
http://flickr.com/photos/suesplace/1020628166/
http://flickr.com/photos/90523335@N00/2567770384/
looks like just flower beds, and if they are just annuals, soon they’ll be putting in something for fall….if i was a hunter, i would see to get permission to dig behind it, when they are digging back there anyway……..

Always thought Pear Pad was an odd name for a road in North Carolina.
Apparently there’s a pretty good reason for it.
I bet there was a sign somewhere in the park in 1982 that talks about this plant. Maybe it’s still there even now…
Place Names of the Outer Banks
, Roger L Payne, 1985
https://books.google.com/books?id=rGATAAAAYAAJ&q=%22roanoke%22+%22pear+pad%22&dq=%22roanoke%22+%22pear+pad%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjJlo-Dk-XjAhWEq1kKHS8yA7AQ6AEIOTAD

We have those here in Sonoma all over the place. They’re called prickly pear cactus and the leaves are called pad.
I think that whole spoon, pea and teabag is the confirmer of Fort Raleigh area. The ‘teabag’ being a dogtag.

forest_blight

I believe someone here *did* dig under the Water Gate a few years back. I forget who, though.

Once again, I am not talking about digging under, near, past, etc..the gate itself or even under, behind, etc to the small bench.  I am talking about probably very near where the photographer of this pic was standing.
Think of the 2 bubbles on the left side of the P.  One is higher and slightly smaller than the other…this could be explained by perspective showing the one with the flower inside as being closer to the eye.  Now, if you were standing a few steps to the left of the above mentioned photographer and were to look at the 2 orbs atop the gate, the nearer one would appear larger.  That is what I am basing my suggestion on.  I am ‘hoping’ that if you were standing in the “right” place, there would be an odd shaped tree (that would resemble our imp) with the nearer orb appearing to be ‘held’ by the imp/tree.  Also, notice in the first pic of the gate (from the trail), the area that I am focusing on is raised ground.  Therefor, if you were standing there looking at the orbs, the nearer & larger orb would be lower just like the configuration of the P bubbles.
I was also a little concerned about the whole N at the Wing but it appears that the E Gardens, especially this water gate is due S from the Wing so it fits perfectly.
This may or may not be the right location but it is the PERFECT place to bury something.  I only wish I could afford a plane ticket because I would be out there digging in a heartbeat.

I thought I would just dump everything I have for a Kill Devil Hills solution to just get the information out there for review and discussion.
There is a lot more images in this painting than I thought there would be.
Airplane Clues
Sheet metal Airplane skin look. Similar sheet aluminum used in aircraft manufacturing.
Rivets Represents airplane sheet metal work
Arm positions Looks like what a person would do to emulate flying, especially an airplane.
Braces under arms Typical airplane strut design.
Nose Jet engine intakes
Eyes Front of airliner windows
Circles on chest Instrument gauges found in an airplane cockpit
Stick and knob Control stick for airplanes.
Knob Cockpit control knob. Landing gear?
Line in chest Line runs from top circle to bottom belt with jewel offset. In an aerial view this would match the straight path from the monument in circle on hill down to takeoff boulder offset on left.
Hanging Loops Shows four landing spots. Spacing is similar. The brothers made three successive and slightly longer flights that day. Then they had a large jump in distance on fourth flight.
Hanging lever Control lever in cockpit?
Keys One key looks like a mechanical part. Maybe a valve cock? I have no idea why the keys are used.
Flight
Red skirt Pattern can be found in feathers. Maybe tail feathers?
Bubbles Floating in air to represent flight
Imp Represents flight by stepping off the edge and maintaining altitude by holding onto bubble. Weight hanging from foot represents gravity.
Plum bob Tied to foot to represent weight and the effect of gravity on the imp.
Bells Alexander Graham Bell was a pioneer in aviation. His team became known as Bell’s boys.
http://wrightbros.org/History/Wright%20 … lsboys.htm
Spoon with pea Howard Hughes was a pioneer in aviation. “In the 1930s, close friends reported he was obsessed with the size of peas.” “Picky about his peas, he often used a special utensil — resembling a small rake — to ferret out the largest peas, which he found unappetizing.” If you put a pea by itself in a painting without a reference it may not be recognized. But if you put it on a spoon it instantly becomes a pea, at least for me.
Area
Helmet with horns Kill Devil Hills. Helmet has a hill shape to it. Hill shapes echoed in both arms’ elbow joints.
Cross Wright Brothers Memorial Park. Cross represents that this national park is a memorial park for the departed Wright Brothers.
Window Simply a method to bring outside and inside images. Castle like to continue theme.
Light Has a ring around it. Typical view of a lighthouse light with ring seen through moisture or a sea mist.
Water Splashing breakwater for coastal location
Arms Extend outside of frame. Outer Banks?
Hump Shape of the takeoff boulder
Patch over crack Any ideas?

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Imp  Represents flight by stepping off the edge and maintaining altitude by holding onto bubble. Weight hanging from foot represents gravity.
Plum bob  Tied to foot to represent weight and the effect of gravity on the imp.

Just a couple of short responses (for now):
It isn’t tied to the foot. You can follow that bell’s string all the way up to the armor, just like for the other ones. The bubbles seem to be independent of the armor; that one just happens to be superimposed over a string.
I liked the Bell’s Boys and Howard Hughes insights.

the cross etched in stone is quite interesting indeed. nice find

That monument is at the Southern Terminus of the Bruce Trail in Ontario where Sir Isaac Brock died fighting the US in 1812.  There is another one at the northern terminus that’s almost identical  but does not have the cross.
edit
Cairn: a mountain of stone erected as a memorial or monument.
Could image 3 be a cairn?

I don’t recall pointing out this element in similarity between the life saving stations of the Outer Banks and this window outline.  Note where it breaks on either side.
I tend to think the first lines instruct us to pass the Wing memorial beacon (Red 1), and we head south and “ride the man of oz”  to a land near the window (Red 2), then we return back to highway 12 and head south til we pass Pea Island refuge (Red 3) and finally find the beckoning path in Rodanthe (Red 4).

http://mathprofhikertnnc.blogspot.com/2012/01/fort-raleigh-national-historic-site.html
…a very descriptive read and gps walking route (
http://www.mappedometer.com/?maproute=142272
).

I think the first two lines of verse place us at Kill Devil Hill southbound on hwy12 “december”, and then onto a ferry TO Roanoke as the next couple lines tell us.  I think we are then given sufficinent clues to take to the road again and continue south towards Pea and beyond to a place where we take a right turn using the line ‘a path beckons’ and the image where the right hand of the armor is making a gesture.  We then find a place far south of the “wing”, we can look south and see the Chicamacomico water tower, we can look east and see the Chicamacomico Life Saving Station and we can see a bench resting on a the sand.

421Thrasher, I think I understand what you’re showing in those pictures.
There’s a ton of stuff going on with the image, can you go into detail beyond the broad stroke perspective?  Like, what do you make of the spoon (with pea?) shape in the image?
I’m thinking it represents the Pea Island area and like the other outline of Roanoke suggests it represents having to pass that area or go to that area to find the casque.  I see both as “pass this area” as you drive south on “December”.

erexere

421Thrasher, I think I understand what you’re showing in those pictures.
There’s a ton of stuff going on with the image, can you go into detail beyond the broad stroke perspective?  Like, what do you make of the spoon (with pea?) shape in the image?
I’m thinking it represents the Pea Island area and like the other outline of Roanoke suggests it represents having to pass that area or go to that area to find the casque.  I see both as “pass this area” as you drive south on “December”.

I am with you on Pea Island, and add the Bell Islands to my list too. However, I think the verse is very clear that we
are not
going that far south on 12. Otherwise, you wouldn’t be able to “ride the man of oz
to
the land near the window.”

How do you get a ferry,
when the Washington
BAUM
Bridge is right there?
Even stronger links are
Land near the window, Dark Forest,
white is in color with two maps.
and after circle and square
Putting you unquestionably in the parking lot of the elizabethan gardens.
So from there how do you get to pea island?
also considering the Verse is how we get to the treasure site.
specifically how does this verse get you to pea island?

Another of First Colony’s archaeologists, Nick Luccketti, put the finishing touches on the final report of excavations funded by the Bloedorn Foundation of Washington, DC in the fall of 2006 between the theater parking lot and Roanoke Sound. Shoreline erosion in that area had over time revealed artifacts from the time of the Lost Colony. Several pottery sherds with a green interior glaze datable to the days of Sir Walter Raleigh have been found along the shore a short distance from the theater.
–
http://www.firstcolonyfoundation.org/archaeology/
lol!

the images are un-resized in the overlay (center). i only slid one image to the left after cutting at the tip of the helmet, and then slid it six pixles down to show the exactness of the match. i noted that the interior of the window does not have any points except for at the tip. it is a smooth line down.

That reminds me of one of these planet illustrations:
It’s a 3D of a sphere with a corner cut-out that might be visualized as the corner of a cube merging with it.  In 2d it’s a square merging with a circle.

with the recent possible linking of this P with the Boston V, I thought maybe I would bring this thread up.
One possible site being tossed around is the Back Bay Fens.  Take a look at this church across the street from the park.
http://www.dur.ac.uk/s.j.white/images/bos_bells.jpgI
found the “dangling bells” somewhat interesting….like our knights dangling bells.

Did a quick search on Paul Revere and also on the lanterns warning about the british attack. Now I dont know much about america history so dont know if you all know this but Paul Revere was one of the people who warned about the attack after seeing the 2 lanterns
http://www.reclaimamerica.org/PAGES/NEW … 20Abortion
So looks like this image and verse 3 are connected and about boston. The church is in the north end section of boston so i’ve got a link for different parts of it. So far I only have one guess of wher the starting postion could be.
Thucydides money came from gold (armour in image is gold) and wrote about the Peloponnesian War as well as being a general who lost a key city.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thucydides … /THUCY.HTM
Xenophon knew Thucydides and also was a writer and some of his work is Anabasis and the Hellenica, which is a continuation of the history of Thucydides. He also seems to  have joined the Spartans aginst Athens which I think was where he was born.
Now where there any people seen as tratiors when the events of the british attack and if so anything to mark them e.g. statues. Or perhaps someone who wrote about it like Henry Wadsworth Longfellow. I know he is burried at Mount Auburn Cemetery Cambridgewhich is outside Boston also seems to be a park there. However I thnk its going ot be the old north we should look at.
This seems to be a good link but Ive no time to search deeply but it highlights places in the old north of boston
http://www.northendweb.com/history.html

Reading recent posts finally led me to find my copy of the book the other day.  I am playing catch up, but the peaspoon would seem to link back to the Paul Revere connection with verse 3.  Revere was a silversmith who made peaspoons.  FWIW.

mgb posted back in 2005 that s/he thought the thingy on our armor’s right wrist (our left) could be a mace or a naval mine. It does strongly resemble a naval mine, but here I argue that it is meant to represent a mace. Maces came in many forms, but a common one (judging from Google images) is this:
Besides the connection that a medieval hand-to-hand combat weapon would have to a suit of armor, there is a more specific and direct connection to Roanoke Island and the Lost Colony. From a National Park Service website:
“In 1602, fifteen years after the abandonment of the colony, Ralegh renewed his search for it by sending
Samuel Mace
, who had been to America twice before. This voyage may have been an effort to keep Ralegh’s claims alive by suggesting that the colony still existed. To prevent the crew from spending time cruising the shipping lanes rather than searching for the colony, Ralegh hired the ships for monthly wages. After making landfall near Cape Fear rather than Hatteras, Mace and his men spent a month gathering sassafras, which brought a high price in London, but never searched for the colony. Bad weather was the excuse he offered. In 1603 Ralegh engaged Mace and Bartholomew Gilbert for another expedition. Gilbert failed to find the Chesapeake Bay and landed instead near the entrance of the Delaware Bay, where he was killed by the Indians. Mace may have visited the Chesapeake Bay. Powhatan later complained that Englishmen had captured some of his people, and records show that Indians were in London in August 1603. But by now Ralegh himself was in no position to send other expeditions — he was soon to be imprisoned in the Tower of London by the new king, James I.”

I dont think so ABQ….the illustrator for all of these P’s is JJP or John Jude Palencar.

Alright, I don’t like this, but here goes…
Ya’ll know I think that Image 11 is Boston, and that Image 3 is in the Roanoke/Kill Devil Hill area, but the Horace Mann statue shown on this link (real link over on page 6 of Verse 3)here:
http://www.slivka.com/Trips/MaineBoston … g_1007.jpg
…got me to thinking.  It’s Horace Mann on a square-topped pedestal.  Image 3 has been interpreted as a
horse-man
on a similar square-topped pedestal.
Aargh……
Pine

forest_blight

I really wish I could remember where that patch of garden was located, but I think it is near where the path leads from the main part of the Garden to the Gazebo, which overlooks the sound toward Kitty Hawk (a path beckons).

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In April 1981, an authentic 16th century gazebo was constructed with period tools, using period techniques. The octagonal structure overlooks the Roanoke and Currituck Sounds, very possibly the site where Sir Richard Grenville, Walter Raleigh’s cousin, first set foot in 1585 with a fleet of seven ships and 108 men. The gazebo was made with massive hand-hewn oak posts and beams locked together without the modern nail. Wattle and daub was applied on the exterior of the five bays, leaving 3 bays open to the expanse of water for visitors to view the Wright Memorial, which stands at the site of man’s first flight, and Jockey’s Ridge, the highest sand dunes in the Eastern United States. A thatched roof was necessary for the finishing touch to the period structure. Two problems: how to obtain thatching material and where to obtain a master thatcher. Mrs. W. Marion Odom, Chairman of the Board of Governors, learned of Peter Slevin from Donegal, Ireland. Mr. Slevin had thatched the Ann Hathaway cottage in Stratford in the late fifties and also thatched many of the roofs in PBS’s Scarlett Letter in 1980. Mrs. Odom contacted Mr. Slevin at Plimoth Plantation where he lived and worked to advise the Board about the Old World craft of thatching with straw. Slevin advised that many thatchers consider Norfolk reed, Phrangmites communis, as Britain’s finest native grass for thatching. Contact was made with a reed farmer in Olde Buckeham, Norfolk, England, and 1100 bundles of the reed were cut in February 1981, tied into 24-inch bundles, and shipped to the Gardens.

Brainstorming Roanoke…
“In England, the erstwhile high-honored court of the the Fairy Queen was now much diminished. Her Majesty, Queen Mab Herself, and many of Her subjects, Pixies, Hobgoblins and Boggarts alike, had shrunk to tiny size…
…Robin and the Pixies of Britain gave lessons in archery to the Catawba braves”
W
hich may be last touched
O
r first seen standing
L
ook north at the wing
Thinking about this erstwhile high / diminished / tiny / low theme, and wondering about the
Sunken Garden
in Roanoke’s Elizabethan Gardens.
“This square area consists of 32 parterres outlined in clipped
dwarf
yaupon”
Yaupon is
Ilex Vomitoria
, associated with
Black Drink
which was held in an “Emperor Crown” whelk. It is “an important food for the American Robin”.
The garnet – an ilex berry in an emperor’s crown…
The image 3 figure may represent
Janus
. (January comes from Janus, and he is shown holding two keys like image 3). Janus is the son of Apollo (god of archery). There’s a statue of Apollo in the sunken garden.
The cross within the circle might represent this orb from the Elizabethan Gardens sign:
On the archery theme, this shape always reminded me of a crossbow.
One of the people behind the Elizabethan Gardens was Mrs Inglis
Fletcher
(meaning “arrowmaker”, from fleche/arrow).
http://www.elizabethangardens.org/detailedhistory.pdf
As mentioned before, it’s the plaque bearing the inscription by Fletcher at the entrance to the Elizabethan Gardens that talks about the “dark forest”.
The garnet is right by this “crossbow”. An arrowhead? Maybe on a sign? Flint arrowheads are known as
Elf arrows
or “Pixie arrows”.
Maybe this shows the gem on a path running beside the garden.
“Leaving the Sunken Garden to the north is the overlook terrace and a path leading to the overlook of Roanoke Sound. Here in April of 1981, an authentic 16th century gazebo was constructed with period tools, using period techniques. The octagonal structure of the gazebo is situated at a site overlooking the Roanoke and Currituck Sounds, very possibly the spot were Sir Richard Grenville, Walter Raleigh’s cousin, first set foot in 1585 upon his arrival with a fleet of seven ships and 108 men.”
The gazebo:
Dark forest
Where white is in colour
It’s octagonal. The dots on the left side of the mask indicate a hexagon, while the eight bumps to their left, or the eight vertices suggested on the right, are enough to make an octagon.
With two maps
After circle and square
The map of the Elizabethan Gardens I referenced before puts the gazebo at 17. (Someone who visited the place posted a link to it somewhere on the forum.) Dunno if the gazebo was 17 back in BPs day, but it would fit quite well.
15 = circle (the fifteenth letter, “O”)
16 = square (the square of 4)
17 = gazebo
Look north at the wing
“Look” -> “Gaze”. Gazebo comes from gaze. (cf “gaze north” in the previous verse.)
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=gazebo
Has someone taken a close look at this thing…? Wonder if there are any signs with arrowheads here.

How about the fact that this is the only painting that extends beyond the borders of the frame?  That woudl pretty much confirm “Outer Banks”
for me.

For those of you searching for a picture of a goat, the armor has the face of a goat.

I saw some pictures in the Roanoke Facebook group this afternoon and thought the original poster (OP) was on to something. The OP was saying that from the light tower at Waterside Theatre (close to the CRO tree) you can see the Wright brothers monument and the light tower was previously separate from the fort structure that the lights are attached to now. Could Preiss have buried underneath the old light tower before it was removed and attached to undiggable fort structure? I’m fairly new to this hunt, so I don’t know if this is a previously searched theory.

erexere

This reminded me of image 3,

Nice.

(I think I’ve officially abandoned the descendants now, though I’m still open-minded about the ancestors. Several of these casque theories seem about 95% there, but falter at the final hurdle without a satisfactory interpretation of the final instructions…very exasperating.)

(…been looking at Roanoke – nothing useful to add, just a couple of notes in passing…)
The whimsical map overlay would put the garnet at 13, which is Aluminium. This is one of the constituents in the Pyralspite
garnets
, such as Almandine (aka “carbuncle”, a “precious garnet” used as a gemstone).
Roanoke has a “Janus Learning Centre” (age unknown), not far from
Cave Spring Middle School
, whose Knight emblem “The Squire” is displayed on their signpost. (Not a very interesting area.)
Re: “last touched” / “first seen standing”; maybe a night-time thing like pillows, or curtains, or maybe shoes/boots (pun on cobbler’s last). One of the forms of mica is isinglass, and there’s something called an
isinglass curtain
used for peepholes in boilers and lanterns.
There’s a Trollope novel called
The Eustace Diamonds
involving characters called Lucinda Roanoke and Mrs Carbuncle.
(“Look north at the wing” reminds me of “Gaze north toward the isle” in the previous verse. Is Kitty Hawk actually visible from Roanoke?)

i believe it is whiterabbit.
i like the curtain part, for the stage curtain maybe, still like an exit or entrance somewhere for this one
the rich dr. makes me think of the dr erastus wolcott at lake park milwaukee, where there is a golf course also

rpvsurfingsalamander

My apologies if any of this has been covered already, but in order to avoid creating any preconceived notions, I’ve tried to avoid reading these threads.
I had a similar thought about pea island which is roughly south and east of Roanoke, especially when I read that the Pea Island lifesaving station had the only all black crews and had the first black commander, Richard Etheridge, so they might be considered “black peas” (or pearls?). The plaque for the station mentions this fact.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/71/Pea_island_life_saving_station_memorial_plaque.JPG
.  The tag on the spoon reminds me of the tags they used to convey directions to the stranded ships on how to help the surfmen do their jobs and the statue does resemble the apparatus for the breeches buoy.
My major issue with Fort Raleigh and that area is that it’s been a national historic site and park for quite a long time making it impossible to recover anything.  So I would expect that any cache would be outside the park lines.  Also, I don’t know how strict the hunt is directionally speaking, but if you pair verse 11 with this image, a straight north/ south line from the Wright Brothers Memorial runs outside the Fort Raleigh site near a street called Forest Ave and through the Roanoke Island Festival Park a little further south.  This actually ties in with the proposed landing site for the Roanoke Colony at/near Baum Point.  Considering how much the fae migration mirrors human migration to the new world, I think it’s worth a bit of research.

Good thought sal! I’m not sure that has been brought up (but I don’t remember near everything that’s been brought up).
And yes, I’m not sure as to whether Preiss buried on historic property in the 80s…even though it’s always been forbidden to dig on NPS property, I’m not sure if the rules were more relaxed back then. Or if Preiss cared. Regardless, there is more technology and vigilant people to catch anybody not doing what they are supposed to be doing at the sites nowadays. And I’m pretty sure several of the proposed sites that are the current front runners are historic sites too.
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At Roanoke. Any specific areas needs checked out?

anyone have plans to visit, for a look see after Hurricane Arthur, some imgs
manteo
http://wwwcache.wral.com/asset/news/loc … 00×450.jpg
slideshow highway 64
http://abc11.com/weather/photos-hurrica … ge/154226/
http://www.wral.com/news/local/image_gallery/13787221/
the whole island got hit,slow traffic
https://goo.gl/maps/JiUMv

Let’s try this again,
In December of 1977, the
Dispatch
news article reported on the efforts to preserve a Life Saving Station:
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid= … 2780&hl=en
It would seem evident that book Abroad in America would be a resource to Byron Priess in his work to create this treasure hunt and it’s tremendous that anyone would’ve discovered that without the help of a keyword search on the internet. In contrast, it’s far more palatable to consider someone looking at Image 3 would recognize the shape of Roanoke and correctly guess Verse 11’s tidbits about octave and oz would relate to the Wright Brothers and Baum. This same someone would be expected to have enough familiarity with the NC area that it’s not terribly unlikely that they might’ve chanced across the December 22nd news article in their local newspaper.
I’m biased at this point, but I wonder how likely it would be for someone like Priess to think of the Wizard of Oz and it’s Munchkins if he had possibly and read the names “Baum” and “Midgett” in the same article.
Despite all arguments that 30 minutes of travel from Roanoke is proof that my theory is crap, I think it’s worth noting that the Life Saving Station workers were irrefutably part of the Wright Brother’s famed history.
http://wrightstories.com/lifesavers-ser … port-crew/
four21thrasher or anyone else can continue to distract with vapid argumentation, but someone who legitimately cares about this puzzle can consider that it’s possible a December newspaper article about real events might enter into this.

BINGO

I was simply making a distinction between a clue and shit. Wasn’t attempting to distinguish the importance of said clue/shit either. It’s very possible that I just worded it incorrectly. My bad.

Much better! Take you chill pill. Might need help lifting it!

I am in the process of trying to obtain permission to retrieve the casque now, if it is still there.
It turns out that the city allows metal detectors, but no digging in the city parks, and I was bummed when I got that reply, but it turns out that my boss is friends with the city parks director, and he said he would contact him, tell him the story, and ask him to contact me to get the story from me, and then see what happens. He said the guy is of the type that just might go along with it and give me access. I told him I wasn’t going to risk my retirement and my wifes job over this, and so wanted to try to get legal access to attempt to retrieve it, and I am thinking, since I also work for the county, that with regs for safety and so forth, that they probably won’t allow me to dig, but might just have a parks employee on hand to do the digging. That would be sweet…..I show them were to dig, and get the prize, and they do the digging.  I will see…..but I am fairly certain, unless someone else has already been there, that I have the correct location.

Speaking of children, in 1980 Mr. Rogers aired the opera, “Windstorm in Bubbleland”
Perhaps these casks are buried somewhere where there is wind

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Perhaps these casks are buried somewhere where there is wind

Plenty of wind in and around Fort Raleigh. Not so much as a swing set, unless you count the ones in the yards across Dare Avenue.

Has anyone here ever bothered to look up the word
casque
?
Think you know what it means?
Go look it up in your dictionary, then look at Image 3, then look up the word
coincidence
and ponder its applicability…

hmmmm, interesting.  & I always assumed………
pondering……

fox

hmmmm, interesting.  & I always assumed………
pondering……

Coincidence….hmmm   The helmet?  Coinciding or accidental?

Just some up close shots of things originally posted by johaan:
This has been suggested to maybe be a reference to the Boston Celtics basketball team.
I’m thinking more along the lines of a clover field maybe?
What is that behind the key? pulling it back into the wall?  ???

Also just an observation, but this P is the only one whose contents break the frame (the knights right hand)  😮
who knows…

I stand corrected, thank you falcon & laco.  In one of my earliest emails w/ BP, he stated that he has poloroid pictures of the locations where the casques are located.  You guys are right, if I were to tell exactly where the casque is (even if it is now under a skyscraper) the jewel would be mine.
falcon, great story of Mr. Bulldozer.  I know I would be p.o.’d if I ran across an article, looked at my cute casque atop my mantle and was told….”Sorry, that casque was declared unobtainable.”
In that case…..let the hunt continue……

I am utterly convinced this P belongs with V11. Besides the Elizabethan armor theme, V11 makes reference to “To the land near the window.” Roanoke Island is, as others have pointed out, right by the window.

Glossiphoniidae

Within the next three weeks, I plan on taking a trip to OBX. I am only an hour and a half away. Has anybody poked around in these gardens yet… near the water gate? I see where several have mentioned doing so, but can’t find any evidence of it actually happening. If not, let me know and I can surely stop by the gardens for a day and do a little sleuthin’ and photoggin’.

(Hey, great stuff four21thrasher…must surely be nearby. I’d like to see some more pics near those gates…seems to be one location just about everyone can agree on. It would be interesting to get some pics from/of the other side, and some info about contemporary maps of the grounds.)

Within the next three weeks, I plan on taking a trip to OBX. I am only an hour and a half away.
Has anybody poked around in these gardens yet… near the water gate? I see where several have mentioned doing so, but can’t find any evidence of it actually happening.
If not, let me know and I can surely stop by the gardens for a day and do a little sleuthin’ and photoggin’.

This caught my eye… apparently, they are
hanging
all over the gardens.

I feel like I never saw the watch hanging from the left hand before.  What could it mean, 1:00?

erexere

What could it mean, 1:00?

January -> Garnet -> England
Fairies of England proudly bear
Garnet, crown-jewel of their Queen

so it looks rather important toconsider the month Stone.

Yeah, I’ll have to put together some notes on these verses, they’re much neglected…

I had read on the wiki that someone had dug at the watergate and even used GPR in that area from user Manteo. Manteo also mentioned the latch on the old gate had resemblance to a part of the suit of armor. Would love to see a pic of that. Anyone familiar with this recovery attempt?

Or we can just not assume anything and accept that the image given to us in the book is the image intended for the puzzle. We don’t know why it was cropped…Brian could be right, maybe there was something in there that gave something away….maybe it did take away from other things, all we can know for sure is the image in the book is what is intended for us to use in solving the puzzle. If you want to break this down, the one thing you can debate which might lead somewhere is….that is a really good cropping job on the hands for that time period…so did he crop those hands out manually…with lines that good or did he repaint some, part, or all of the image?

So to the left of the IMP, it is weird because, in my humble opinion, it is the actual map to the tree where the casque was buried. If you look at the crack in the wall and the shading appears to be in the shape of a tree similar to those found on Roanoke Island.
as seen here:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Roano … 84!6m1!1e1
I have been out to the Island twice. The leaves on those trees always appear to be in a constant state of wind blown to one side.

if the spoon and pea is for pea island, then a diagonal line from there to the jewel…….looks like it’s about at the lindsay warren visitor center  (see, just like image 6, spanish, “all that company”……visitors
but maybe someone could figure out the angle, maybe closer to virginia dare, or straight to the gate
but still like chief wingina somewhere, “l
ook north at the wing and dig (wingina)–to ACHIEVE- to A CHIEF
and our nags head guy is spread eagled like that:
http://www.outerbanks.com/lostcolony/history/
or wherever you would have to be to see the chief to be looking north?  or up?  toward him?
so maybe that stylus devil is important as he is an american native fairy…..
but it say’s “it’s impossible to sight one”……..but maybe you can hear him?  the soundboards behind the seats at the lost colony?
i guess he could be showing a boat mast?
k, from pea island to the bells (marker is around the lost colony) you then go left toward the jewel, which since the guy has all the stuff from the museum, that’s about where you would be, so maybe the chief wingina is somewhere around there (in between the theater and the museum)
the bugbears are from england and the line says “timber wolves are every bit afraid of you as mountain lions are”…..so in the woods there? from the lost colony to the museum?
the indian chief was called a weroan
“INTO the outdoors”
“the trail is clearly marked……………..so maybe just behind the sign? (fort raleigh sign)
this marker has virginia dare,
chief manteo
and “new” fort on it:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/graceycat/140155460/
which is in the woods between the museum and the lost colony too
so maybe its in the fort raleigh national historic site:
http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WMQF … toric_Site
that sign does have the crests on them, and it’s a fort (the pedestal could just mean “base” )
“a path beckons to mica and driftwood”—-Waterside Theater
not sure if that is where the thomas hariot nature trail is
L. micare  “to flash, glitter”),———-mica?  stars, movie stars?,
or just toward the beach

Are we venturing out of the Elizabethan gardens?
What about these pillars below?  Not exact, I know, but
still in the gardens….Did we look at these before?
http://travel.webshots.com/photo/104644 … 2316TYtQPZ
http://travel.webshots.com/photo/104644 … 2316lXdihT

boogie – I saw those up close and personal, scratched my head, pondered pictures, etc. and nothing came of it. It’s a genuine vintage Italian fountain, but I could find no resemblance between it and P3.

Unknown

Unknown:
There is a mile or so trail called “The Freedom Trail” that the
freed slaves took to The Freedom Colony during the civil war.
It starts somwhere near the Fort and ends somewhere near
Roanoke Sound.  It is a self guided tour.
It is noted that there are markers and statues at the end of
the trail.
I can find no pictures that display this trail.  It is independent
of the John Herlock trail.

I know this is an older message, but I forgot to answer it before. The “Freedom Trails” in the US are not “trails” in the pathway sense. This is the new name for what used to be called the
Underground Railroad
, the series of ‘stops’ at safe houses, hiding spots, etc., for slaves escaping to the North.
Just so you know.
c

the pillars were moved to Downtown Manteo, or Downtown another city?  Here’s a map of Manteo, not sure if any pillers are indicated (unless it’s to the right of the ‘D’, in front of the ‘A’ and ‘GG’ businesses)
http://www.roanokeisland.net/map_historicmanteo.htm
I’ll keep looking, i like a challenge
interesting history, especially during the 1980’s, mentioned on this page
http://www.roanokeisland.net/history.htm

If it helps, the columns should be just east of the intersection of Queen Elizabeth (N-S) and Budleigh (E-W):

I emailed Manteo’s town clerk, a young lass by the name of Becky Breiholz, concerning the 2 mysterious pillars and got this VERY brief and unhelpful reply:
———————————————————————————————
“I think you best place to receive that information would be the Outer Banks History Center 252-473-2655
Becky Breiholz, CMC Town Clerk Town of Manteo P.O. Box 246 Manteo, NC 27954 252-473-2133 fax-252-473-2135
[email protected]
“
——————————————————————————————-
almost sounds like Becky is telling me to contact Becky with this inquiry
dropped a short email to the Outer Banks History Center and will let you all know what they say…

wrong pillars but a nice park in Manteo…

almost
the right intersection but not quite.  It being in Old Town is promising tho…. nary a pillar however.

Just an observation.  I think I see shovels in theses two images.  Check you own images.

Some observations:
–4-leaf clover with stem (on left shoulder/chest piece, the knight’s left) among the many tiny bumps on the lower edging.
–a cross at the bottom of a jagged hill, on the wall on the left side of the pic (our left) to the left of the lower foot of that creature holding the carnation-globe.
–small rounded triangle under key hanging on ring from the knight’s right arm.
–Is there a big 5 or a D in the lower right on the wall?
–Johann

there appears to be a spoon, of all things, just to the left of your big D or 5 or little b, right side bottom of pillar. Also, the spoon looks like it has a marble or round ball in it.
wilhouse

To go along with Johann’s observation about the cross, i think that may be important. It seems like there are several numbers around it. On the left side i think there is a 4 and maybe a 7. I think there are some other numbers around it as well. I don’t have my book in front of me but i think there was a 29 or or 2915 or 29’5 between the cross and the leg of the of the hanging form (on the part of the wall that juts out).

Blowing up the picture, there is definately a 38 “written” on the wall directly to the left of the key, about the same height as the small bubble with nothing in it. It looks like there is a another number right next to it, but it’s hard to see. Could be 84.
what’s hanging off the imp’s foot near the bottom?
wilhouse

As I mentioned in another thread, I believe there is a connection with the faeries’ country of origin and where each treasure is buried.  The Irish faeries buried their treasure in Chicago, where there is a large Irish population.  The Greek faeries buried their treasure in the Greek Cultural Gardens in Cleveland.
“Fairies of England proudly bear
Garnet, crown-jewel of their Queen.”
So, this picture refers to the English faeries.  Canada could fit, as well as Boston I suppose (although the colonists rebelled against England, so maybe not).  The Elizabethan Gardens in North Carolina would work nicely as well.  Any other ideas?

well guys, no good news to report.  i walked the entire Freedom Trail today, and came up with nothing.  I’ll be going to Fenway, Copely Square, Museum of Fine Arts, and Harvard tomorrow, but i was certain i would find it somewhere on the freedom trail.  i’ll post again tomorrow night to let ya know the days news.

also, i emailed Byron at
[email protected]
a few days ago, and he still hasnt read it (i have aol, so i can check the status) has anyone else had this problem of late replies??  I asked him to confirm that there is a treasure in Boston.  Let me know.

loph, I found that if he doesn’t answer pretty quickly, it won’t get answered. of the 6 times I emailed him, he responded three times same day, 2 of those within an hour, and once 2 days later (over the weekend).  The other two times, no response.
wilhouse

I’ve felt very confident in this location, only I couldn’t figure out which side of the post to dig on.
Side 1 or side 2?  I’ve never had any idea what to do about the clock in the image, it looks like it reads 1 o’clock.  Looking at the Bouy drill post I see a possible reason for the clock.  Using the illustration I think it points us to side 2.

erexere

My contact at the Rodanthe site has bad news.  The post has been relocated closer in shore and a shore wall of 8foot long lumber is an indicator for 6-8 feet of sand movement from past storm surge.  I’m done on this casque search.

There’s a gang down the road that would be happy to have you

My contact at the Rodanthe site has bad news.  The post has been relocated closer in shore and a shore wall of 8foot long lumber is an indicator for 6-8 feet of sand movement from past storm surge.  I’m done on this casque search.

Hi everyone,
Has anyone in North Carolina found a good contact person, number or process for obtaining a permit to dig? Was anyone on the board issued a permit to dig in 2019? If so, how did you do it?
Thanks in advance for any help.

I am currently running away from this one…it looks like ideas are just hovering around a consistent zone of interpretation, nice visuals too…the literary references look sweet as peas.  Not in, but just along a path from the Elizabethan Gardens looks perfect combined with a not too distant airstrip for a directional.  Looks like folks have landed their feet on this area but not otten further than the Garden Gate.  Oh, where has 30 years of shifting surroundings taken this one??  Was there an air traffic tower at one time thats been demolished or relocated?  Anything more point related?  Sux that it is described as a sandy location.  Sand changes so much over short periods….okay, im off in other directions…still not sure if two different casques might be bumping together in close proximity to another…nothing to rule that out right?

erexere

It looks like ideas are just hovering around a consistent zone of interpretation.

(Don’t mean to put you off erexere…I think it’s one of those where most folks would agree on the general area, but it will take a splash of inspiration to nail it.)

Here is a splash of inspiration: “A Pea” = “uh-pee” or “U” “P” or “near a bathroom facility”

erexere

Here is a splash of inspiration: “A Pea” = “uh-pee” or “U” “P” or “near a bathroom facility”

Ahh, yes… this may be a confirmer for my theory, which I have already taken a step further: “A pea on a spoon” = uh peein’ an’ uh pooin’
This could tie in with the sicknesses that “ran” through the settlers or Roanoke Island.
Does anybody have a shovel, I smell a casque… wait a minute… that’s not a casque I smell!

Potty humor isn’t anything new…The Clock Without a Face is hunt I’ve been working on and it really is about toilets…along with T.S. Eliot references.

I’ve just given this thread one good pass and it just confuses me to no end.  Before I forget or go on, I just want to convey some immediate thoughts that might gel with someone.
The spoon and pea: could it be a spoonerism hint?  Or is it a clue about a launch point, or catapult mechanism? Some kind of tower siege device…I am just reminded of my boyhood dinner table medieval war games…

Together with Verse 11, there are strong leads for Roanoke, so the possible pea references include “pea island” just to the south. The trail seems to involve the Elizabethan Gardens, though the two found casques were in public parks, and I’m slightly averse to the idea of BP burying anything actually within the private grounds of a ticketed attraction.
I was thinking again about this verse recently. Here’s a recap on how I currently see it.
Pass two friends of octave
In December
The Wright Brothers, friends of Octave Chanute. Dec 17th is Wright Brothers Day.
Ride the man of oz
To the land near the window
The Baum ferry to Roanoke, the outline of which is shown by the window in this image.
There’s a road that leads to
Dark forest
“Walked away through the dark forest into history” appears on a sign at the Elizabethan Gardens. It’s a line from the play “The Lost Colony” by Paul Green, played at Roanoke’s Waterside Theatre near the gardens.
Where white is in color
John White
is one of the characters in the play. I suppose you could say that White is in Green.
With two maps
Dunno.
After circle and square
In July and August
A sign talks about the play performed each summer…dunno what the circle and square are. The bells in this image seem to have a circle and a square on them. The theatre includes the “Producer’s Circle”.
A path beckons
To mica and driftwood
The Water Gate has been suggested for this, leading onto the beach.
Under that
Which may be last touched
Or first seen standing
This is a mystery…keep thinking “gate” – last thing touched before you leave the gardens, “gait” – manner of walking. Also wondered about what might be in the “first scene” in the play.
Look north at the wing
And dig
To achieve
By dauntless and inconquerable
Determination
Your goal.
North of here you’re looking towards the Wright Brothers’ wing-like memorial at Kitty Hawk with its matching quote about “dauntless resolution and unconquerable faith”.
The character seems to draw on elements possibly including the suit of armour and Virginia Dare’s plinth at the Elizabethan Gardens, with a wing-like depiction of the character’s arms. There’s plenty of unexplained details though.
I’d like to get hold of a copy of the play, which has a familiar-looking figure on the cover…
http://www.learnnc.org/lp/media/uploads … 1937lg.jpg
I was recently wondering about this spot…
“Dauntless and inconquerable” sounds daring. This is the end of Dare Ave, named for Virginia Dare whose plinth we might see in the pic…
…near John White Blvd. Can’t really explore this shoreline on Google though. The darn thing can’t be far away.

Catapults (taking from the pea on the spoon idea) are used to assist aircraft launching.  The first flight near Kitty Hawk used a track ramp type catapult on a Kill Devil hill to assist.  So, I bet the stone tower at First Flight is to be aligned with a specific spot.

jambone, I really like your BPP tie in with this pic.  The lamps on the bridge do fall in line perspectively with the bubbles.  Is that the GW statue in the background? Did you know that that bridge is the worlds smallest suspension bridge?
Take a look at these lamps as well….they also look bubble-like with the clear glass..and these things are all over the park.
http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Orig … 0_6688.jpg
or
http://web.mit.edu/pgibbs/www/images/Ap … C02164.JPG
almost looks like a flower inside of it.
Large image wont load but look here:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= … en%26lr%3D
“back to the water” = there is the large pond/lake in the middle of the park…also this:
http://www.migulski.com/Boston-Park.jpg
this statue has a nice BELL shaped pedastal =?= the hanging bells
http://www.hodgman.org/travel/genealogy … verett.jpg
cool aerial:
http://www.backbaypress.com/images/aerial-land-07.jpg
simple map:
http://pages.emerson.edu/Courses/Archiv … apHand.gif
I really do like this as a possible match.  Some time back we found ourselves in the Back Bay Fens area and low and behold…..we are back in the Back Bay.  Definitely deserves looking into

Preiss had certain “signposts” that he appeared to like to use.  I believe ornate or specific lights are one of them. He used them in Chicago and Houston and it appears here too.
wilhouse

http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/11/115.html
This symbol appears on the right side of the face, just under the nostrils.  When you read what it means, it sounds a little like Niagara.
Maid of the Mist?
http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/08/0813.html
This is the so-called baseball symbol on the images right shoulder. I’m thinking split; US-Canadian border.
Starting to feel retarded, but some of these symbols look interesting. There could literally be hundreds of these symbols hidden throughout the 12 images. Note the symbol that is to the
left
side (our left) of the face under the nostrils. Or the circle with the cross.
http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/26/index.html

I feel like I might be close.  Finding the bell an figuring out the locations of everything nearby that fits surprisingly well with the image makes it look tempting.
It’s hard to see, but the pink line identifies a possible match with the inside curve of the scythe and the overall shape of the area containing the telephone pole above.  The red circle is the location of the boathouse which I think is the primary inspiration for this image.  There is a second green star marking a second pole as a possibility, notice it is in the background of the boathouse, which is actually a “watch” pole.  Also, Blackmar Gut has the same shape as the hanging key.

looks really promising.

There’s this spot where a telephone pole sits on the edge of Blackmar Gut bay.  From this perspective you can see a water tower that looks a lot like that mace jutting up from the armor’s arm.  See it just around the center of the image (sorry for the poor quality), followed by a flickr closeup of what it looks like.
This life saving station has an interesting look,
http://beachbum.homestead.com/files/Lif … tation.JPG
Chicamacomico is very “mica” sounding. The station uses a loga of a life preserver with a boat oar crossed with a barbed harpoon that looks a lot like the scythe on the arm.

Random trivia:
The two symbols…
…could be Sulphur and Sodium from Dalton’s elements:
These combine to form
Sodium Sulphide
, which takes the form of red flakes.
It is primarily used in the pulp and paper industry. It is used in water treatment as an oxygen scavenger agent, in the photographic industry to protect developer solutions from oxidation, in the textile industry as a bleaching, as a desulfurizing and as a dechlorinating agent, and in the leather trade for the sulfitization of tanning extracts. It is used in chemical manufacturing as a sulfonation and sulfomethylation agent. It is used in the production of rubber chemicals, sulfur dyes and other chemical compounds. Its use in other applications include ore flotation, oil recovery, food preservative, making dyes, and detergent.
Alternatively, could provide a date. Taking the atomic numbers of Sulphur and Sodium ->
1611
. Loose Raleigh connection via
Rolfe
.
Brainstorming: 1611 is the year of Shakespeare’s
The Tempest
. The character of Prospero was based on John Dee, who was associated with the
Muscovy Company
. (Ties in with alchemy/pre-chemistry). Re: “mica and driftwood” (V11), the most common form of mica is
Muscovite
. There’s a road on Roanoke called “Driftwood”. Maybe there’s another one which relates to a “Muscovite”, or someone associated with the Muscovy Company.

Below is what I think the shredded red material is supposed to represent. It looks similar to “paned slops,” which would have been worn by Elizabethan noblemen. If you use Google images to search for “paned slops” you can see many examples.
During a recent trip to see fellow treasure-hunters Voltaire and czg, we shared photographs from our recent trips to Roanoke and San Francisco. I was hoping they would spot something I had missed (and vice versa), and czg did not disappoint. Below are two images, the paned slops and a random piece of driftwood I thought looked interesting enough to photograph.
At the time, I did not connect the driftwood to
The Secret
, but czg pointed out a suspicious resemblance between the driftwood and the slops. The more I look at it, the more I can see it. Driftwood, if it began life as a sufficiently dense wood (this one looks like cypress to me), can hang around for decades, slowly bleaching in the sun. This beach is on the north side of the island, one of the leeward sides, so strong storms would not necessarily sweep it back out to sea from its perch on the beach. Roanoke is
inside
the barrier islands, so it is normally spared strong waves. On the day I visited, Roanoke Sound was as calm as a puddle.
This particular stretch isn’t exactly thick with tourists at any time of the year, and driftwood is everywhere. I photographed this piece because it was the most striking on that stretch of beach.
Connections to Verse 11? You bet! First, Verse 11 explicitly mentions
driftwood
. I don’t know why it would be
last touched
, but
all
trees are
first seen standing
before they fall. Think about it. And then think how easy it would have been to dig a 3-foot-deep hole in the soft sand of Roanoke Island, on the north side of a distinctive piece of driftwood…

Interesting tie ins of the driftwood and the text….but why P3?  I think it is a very long shot that even if the maroon whatever did indeed represent slops, linking them to driftwood is just too far out there.  Maybe it is just me, who knows.  Just think that is just trying to make something that doesnt fit fit.
“last touched” could mean the tree or driftward farthest from the water or furthest inshore.  That would make them last touched by water as the tide rolled in and out.

“A path beckons / To mica and driftwood”
There are various Roanoke road names that might tie in with the lines in this verse – eg John White Blvd, Forest Ave, Driftwood Rd…
There are actually three Driftwoods – Rd, Dr and St, all connected and running alongside the airport. The English section in the introduction talks about Robin and Sherwood, and Sherwood Drive isn’t far away. I was wondering whether, despite the undoubted references to the Elizabethan Gardens, the Wright Bros, etc., the clues might lead to a more accessible location south of the airport (“Look North at the wing”).
The airport includes a small aviation museum with a Wright Bros model…
http://www.co.dare.nc.us/airport/Museum/Models.htm
Re: After circle and square in July and August…July and August are 7th and 8th months. Letters 7 and 8 are G and H. Image 1 includes all these elements together, which might be a coincidence, a red herring, or possibly shed light on the interpretation…
“U” is in July and August, and follows “T” which is a square (T Square) – doesn’t account for the circle though.
Perhaps the photos in the museum might shed light on the image. (Flying helmet…?)

Is it significant that NC is the #1 producer of mica in the US and it is found almost entirely in the blue ridge mountains due west of the dark forest? Seems like a path that becomes could lead us west towards the shore instead of north.
I’m new to this forum, so I’m just throwing something out there.

Haarstick,
The bubble gives the flower the power of flight. It may even act as a circular safety device, like one of those floaty donuts, the “Kisbie” ring.

anus905

obviously you missed my solve XD

And obviously you continue to demonstrate that you cannot add anything of value to this forum. You see that a question was asked, then you mock someone’s attempt to help in their answer, then you decide to hit the reply button, and yet you still provide nothing of substance, just your snide remark. Further proving your standpoint was/is never meant to “HELP” anyone. Also, you do not have a solve, you have an idea, which is only a prospective solve.

obviously you missed my solve XD

atdreamer2112

Q4T went down and I thought it was a dream… “but it wasn’t a dream, it was a place, and you, and you, and you, and you were there… and I remember that some of it wasn’t very nice, but mostly it was beautiful. But just the same, all I kept saying to everybody was, I want to go home… oh Auntie Em, there’s no place like home!”

they were scrubbing my comments lol.

i add loads get outta here. ive not gone to boston so im not obligated to reveal what i know to you…sorry.

i released complete solution for this and they deleted it!!!!!

I saw this sculpture in Chicago recently.
Could not find the name of the artist.
It looked so much like the little globe-holder
hanging from the armor-guy, that I thought
there may be a similar sculpture near the
casque site.

Where in Chicago, AP?

FB,
It was in the atrium of the River City Condos…on the Chicago River
http://www.rivercitycondos.com/
AP

Some of us are considering the Washington-Baum bridge crossing over to Roanoke.
I’m considering the Verse11 line “ride the man of oz”.  If Baum is indeed the “bridge”, then perhaps we first acknowledge this simple connection between Baum and Oz, but we aren’t done.  Next we consider the nautical reference for “the bridge” is also a “lookout” or the more antiquated “crows nest”.  These are much like a scarecrow on watch over a field.  The Life Saving Station has one of these on the beach, perhaps that is gist of the Oz reference beyond simply recognizing a local bridge name.  Men using this particular lookout earned the Grand Cross for the Mirlo Rescue according to the Historical Marker nearby.
I can’t help but think of the meaning behind the scythe on the arm.  Does it translate as Oz’ scarecrow made of hay?
What of this, an “I” in circle and a larger “I” in a larger circle?  All of this with a window in the background?  Could it translate to “what do we do with a window?  We LOOK OUT of the window with your EYES.”

I strongly feel the perspective size of the ball is relative to the position where the bench in Rodanthe is found at the end of the road to the beach.  I also like the symbolic of a key ring hanging on a hook as a phone clue.
A lot of analogous points here, hand, elbow, shoulder-to-shoulder as the body, etc.  And the lines that follow the belt/girdle match the extra set of arms below the hand set supports.
The above comparison is the Grand Cross medal which was awarded to the crew of the Chicamacomico Life Saving Station for the Mirlo Rescue, it was reported as a very significant event.
I posted this awhile ago already and it’s one of the best matches seen in awhile: old fashioned glass insolated wire resistors from a telephone pole.

Unknown

Unknown:
The symbol on the armors right side(our left) looks to me like the cross used by the knights templar.

It’s also a symbol for Earth:
http://symbols.com/encyclopedia/29/291.html
The symbol on the left shoulder, and in the center of the chest, looks like the symbol for a bridge:
http://symbols.com/encyclopedia/10/1015.html
This one’s more of a stretch… out the window, above and to the left of the head, the blue circle with the bright spot in the center is the symbol for the Sun:
http://symbols.com/encyclopedia/26/268.html
I have no idea what these mean in the context of the treasure hunt though.
– Jambone

I took another close look and it looks to be a tag with the initials “L L L” in it.  Could it be the illustrator’s initials.
ABQRAM

I like the comparison including the beecher lines, rigged up to the post.
I like how the characteristic gambrel or gothic arch style barn matches the window and the water tower in the background matches the battle mace on the armor’s  arm.

I think the outline of a spoon with a little circular pea sized object works in a number of ways.  Two ways I like most,
1. Pea Island comes to mind, an area not to far to the south of Roanoke.
2. Dictionary: To lift, scoop up, or carry with or as if with a spoon.
The first line of the verse says pass two friends of an octave and starting wise that puts us at Kill Devil Hills for a reason, which is north and east of Roanoke.  However we regard that outline of Roanoke in the image, we must consider passing Kill Devil Hills either on our way towards Roanoke or from Roanoke.  If we consider the spoon as a clue about Pea Island we should decide how that fits into the process.  Not much else gives us an indication of a specific location other than being at a place where we might look north at the “wing” and if that wing is the Wright Memorial, then we are surely south, near Roanoke.
A Wright brother related discovery I found involves the Life Saving Station of Kill Devil Hills.  Those Surfmen were responsible for doing the work required to get the Wright Flyer up on the hill and were present and active in getting it set for it’s December first flight.  Other Life Saving Stations were located along the coast, including one at Pea Island.
The Beecher Buoy I’ve recently drawn attention to might also be what the spoon refers to.  It is simply a device used to lift and carry a person to shore.

Now, that’s amusing.  I went to B.U. Law School, and walked through Marsh Plaza nearly every day!  I seem to remember those symbols being there when I was there, which was 1984-87, but I am not 100% certain.
BTW, I searched all around the Fenway/Kenmore Square area (where I lived) for anything which may have been connected with The Secret, and did not notice anything.

One more —
This is “The Truth Window” at Marsh Chapel (in the plaza).
The text displayed?  “And the truth shall make you free.”

Albemarle Sound and river inlets match this part of the image.

I found something new which may not have been considered before. The topological view of the north coast of Roanoke Island has these contours that match the outstretched arm and hand of the armour. The outstretched arms are in my opinion a representation of the north coast.
I downloaded a very useful map from the USGS map store for free. You zoom in on a location, place a marker on the area, in this case Manteo, then click on the marker to get a list of maps of various dates and detail. Then select one to download a zip file which is actually a very impressive pdf. Some are quite large around 20Mb even compressed. The pdf has lots of layers, even a satellite image. and since it is a pdf then it can be magnified.
http://store.usgs.gov/b2c_usgs/usgs/map … 8&uiarea=2
)/.do

1950ish
https://i.imgur.com/sf3sHGj.jpg
I think the old light towers location is paved over now.
It’s hard to tell.
its possible they are in nearly the same spot. If they are, they have concrete footers.
In fact most of the theater is about 8 inches of dirt over concrete or wood.

I’ll look tomorrow if the weather is better. I don’t actually see lights in your photo. I think the show used to be a daylight only show.

oh you are talking about the steel towers. my bad.

Yes the lights used to be on steel towers separate from the fort structures on each side of theater. I believe in the 80s the light towers were separate and at some point along the way the lights were placed on top of the fort structures and the tall steel towers were removed.

In Rodanthe there is a dock with little braces like those under the arms and pulleys and ropes hanging from it for what looks like assisting in moving freight.  The telephone pole nearby marked with the red circle is where I believe digging needs to happen.  Careful though, it has a bit of a lean.

BINGO

… Fairy pointers come in twos?
… but it seems like a possible method to greatly narrow down a search area or path to look. Do the other images have similar pointers, possibly in pairs?

The pocket watch seems to be inside a bubble. The bubble near it is on top of a stone. This may point to a sundial.

Possibly of relevance to the line “Ride the man of oz,”
Carolista Baum spearheaded an organization Save Our Sand Dune in 1975-76 to secure the site of what became the Jockey’s Ridge State Park.
Definition of a “jockey”: a person who rides in horse races, especially as a profession.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fTbLdT … e=youtu.be

erexere

The historic building and the water tower would be in the near and distant background of the wreck pole. The station workers would pull a square cart with big wagon wheels over to a position to launch their lifesaving aparatus during july and august drills (reenactments).
The coolest connection is that station workers like these were instrumental in the First Flight.

I’ve been looking at your information about Pea Island, and this most recent information has inspired me with a complimentary theory…
1)
[outlined peach]
the cart handle (sticking straight out) and life saving aparatuses (hanging just below the handle) are reminiscent of a sword and a shield, which would tie in nicely with the image’s figure of armor that is missing a sword and shield. The right-side hand certainly looks like you could slide the handle right into it… Is this the hand that, like the staff in the image, would pull the cart handle and launch the lifesaving apparatus?
2)
[circled white]
the plumb bob can also be called a “lead.” Private i’s/eyes gather “leads”… Detectives like Dick Tracy run a business that is based on “leads.” We are like detectives in this hunt. Coincidentally, you can also end up shooting people full of “lead.” Perhaps this is a play on the phrase – “give you enough rope to hang yourself” – and a warning by Preiss: these clues are either a “lead” you should take, or the “lead” that you can shoot yourself in the foot with.
3)
[pointed to with red arrows]
this is just a side note, because I am still trying to decide whether I should include or cut them out of my theory, but… the seamen in the image appear unkempt even though they are in a public place. Nowadays, you would typically see them much more in line, but I guess I can brush it aside since the image is vintage. Perhaps Preiss sought out an image just like this to represent the midsection of the figure in our image… a mess of red lines.
I don’t really know where to go from here with this idea, so I’ll hand this thing over to you. I think it’s pretty solid now, though. After you noodle with it a bit, I would encourage you to jump on it… see if you can get anything out of it. I’ll keep knocking it around myself, too, and I’ll let you know if anything comes from it.

Preiss-Less

Reposting with added content,
Starting at the Wright Bros Wing Memorial and heading south on hwy 12, there is a road to Roanoke, but just 30 min further there is this historic Life Saving Station building in which a perfectly square cart with two large circular wagon wheels is brought out for training drills in July and August for rescue reenactments on a Wreck Pole, a mock shipmast.
The mast of a ship is definitely the last thing touched and first seen standing.
Standing at the Wreck Pole you can see the congruence between the archway of the station, the two points off the roof that angle like the horns on the helmet and a water tower just to the left which proportionally matches the mace on the arm.
The workers of a life saving station like this in Kill Devil Hills were instrumental in the First Flight of the Wright Bros.
This is the Chicamacomico Life Saving Station in Rodanthe and the home of the most famous maritime rescue family known by the last name Midgett.
The name Midgett is an excellent fit for the subject of “man from oz”, since the Munchkins of Oz are portrayed by midgets.
I believe the casque was buried beneath the end of the north side arm of the Wreck Pole. Unfortunately I am told that the current pole is not the same as the one present nearby in 1982 and which was badly damaged in a hurricane storm.

erexere

Reposting with added content…

You win, E. You are the master troller. I can’t compete.

dont remember if this was ever mentioned
bells:
The House that Skipper Bell Built,Albert Quentin “Skipper” Bell
Waterside Theatre
when a fire broke out in the backstage area
The entire main stage, left wing, two dressing rooms and the scenery docks were destroyed.
The only items saved were the costumes, tossed into the sound by costumer Irene Smart Rains,
and the assembly bell, which refused to burn.
where is the assembly bell, now and in the 80s
http://thelostcolony.org/about-us/
i think this is the plaque, does anyone know what it says
http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM83 … National_H
istoric_Site_Dare_North_Carolina
http://lostcolony.wpengine.netdna-cdn.c … amicWT.jpg

he was trolling you XD

Unknown

Unknown:
he was trolling you

There’s a lot of that going around. All part of the plan Josh. All part of the plan.

Very frustrating Indeed.  Even though V11 can just about lead you to the beach near Fort Raleigh and the Elizabethian Gardens, there are (at least none that I can find) no discernable matches between Image 3 and any physical objects within the area that can lead you to a specific dig site.   I have studied the relationship between V11 and Image 3 extensively, and have explored the possibility that perhaps the line in V11, “Ride the Man of Oz,” does not necessarily refer to the Washington Baum Bridge connecting the Outer Banks to Roanoke Island, but perhaps, for instance, the entrance to the Jockey Ridge State Park.This State Park and natural wonder was saved from the Bulldozers in 1973 by Carolista Baum.  The Road leading into the park is called West Carolista Drive in her honor.  There are many paths (that beckon) to mica and drifwood within the park, and once on the beach you could look north at the wing, which is just about 3 miles distant. Just a thought, but perhaps there are solid links to Image 3 in area of Jockey ridge State Park.
http://www.cobx.com/ridge.htm

The keys in the verse that link to the Fort area are:
“white is in color”
“past circle and square”
“in july and august a path”
This last one is specfic to the play
which until only recently started
doing June ones.

Kato

Just a thought, but perhaps there are solid links to Image 3 in area of Jockey ridge State Park.

I looked at Jockey Ridge on flickr and webshots and didn’t really see anything except sand and dunes.  There were a couple of pictures of a big faux sand castle for kids, but I still didn’t see anything to tie it to image 3.  Not ruling it out, I just didn’t find any matches.

Trohn – I think it far more likely that the July/August reference is to the first line of the historic marker at the head of the trail at Ft. Raleigh.

Jambone

Apart from the outline of Roanoke Island to the right of the window, I there don’t appear to be any other definite ties, which is odd considering how many details this image contains.

Kato

Even though V11 can just about lead you to the beach near Fort Raleigh and the Elizabethian Gardens, there are (at least none that I can find) no discernable matches between Image 3 and any physical objects within the area that can lead you to a specific dig site.

Kato

This State Park and natural wonder was saved from the Bulldozers in 1973 by Carolista Baum.

Am I the only one who sees this? It’s from a bench in the Elizabethan Gardens. And not a small detail, either – it’s the primary image.
That might work, but Carolista Baum is a woman, not a man. And “ride” implies a vehicle or road of some sort named for Baum (not Carolista), like the bridge or the ferry (both named Baum).

I think that is a good possibility, but imho, it’s not a “definite” like the wall, columns, and fountain in the Cleveland pic, or the tower, fence post, and arch in the Chicago pic.  I guess I feel that way because the circle/cross figure is pretty common and we could probably find several matches for it.  If we’ve narrowed down the casque location to being near the bench in the Elizabethan Gardens or the theatre, why can’t we make more connections with image 3?  What are we missing?

There is a mile or so trail called “The Freedom Trail” that the
freed slaves took to The Freedom Colony during the civil war.
It starts somwhere near the Fort and ends somewhere near
Roanoke Sound.  It is a self guided tour.
It is noted that there are markers and statues at the end of
the trail.
I can find no pictures that display this trail.  It is independent
of the John Herlock trail.

Specifically because there are no obvious definitive connections between Image 3 and any physical landmarks in the area surrounding Fort Raleigh and the Elizabethian Gardens, I believe that all roads ( including Carolista Drive ) should be checked for any physical landmarks that may be represented in Image 3.   There are other streets on the Outer Banks with the Baum name: West Baum Street just south of the Wright Memorial, and Baum Bay Drive just west of it.  Also, I believe “The Man of Oz” refers to L. Frank Baum, author of the Wizard of Oz.  This has been discussed by others on the thread for V11.  Thus, it has nothing to do with gender (as with Carolista Baum) but with the name Baum itself.  Failure to explore
any
road named after a Baum in this general local could be a mistake.

It’s tough to nail longs and lats here as well.  Too many darn #s.  The pedelstal and archway are key.  Plus the cross at the lower left.  Whoa, and the bubbles, they are in image 11 too.

Kato

Failure to explore any road named after a Baum in this general local could be a mistake.

I suppose that’s true. Personally, I think that whatever these signposts once held could be the key to it all:
One person who might know is Ken Johns, an intern who worked on the Hariot trail in late 70’s. But so many people are named Ken Johns that it will be difficult to find the right Ken Johns, short of doing a mail blitz.

Hey there everybody.
Look at the base of the bottom right stone that makes the base of the window. It does not match the same section on the left side, in fact it actually looks like the State of Pennsylvania, but upside-down (hold a map up to it if you doubt me, though the bottom part is really dark so it may be hard to see) it even has the little angled jut off the top, but in the floor like a crack
Also check my reply on image six also
In the Cleveland one, there was a hidden image of the state it was in, the same should be true for the first one that was found also and the rest as well(in my opinion), the trouble is finding it
I have yet to read any of the verses, i’m just going on the pictures themselves, cuz they should be able to give the State the key’s in (at the very least)
what do you all think?

forest_blight

digging outside the gate is a federal crime

So is this a special area for some reason…?

I better get out to Brooklyn quick so I can save everyone some time.  Greyman’s points are interesting.  Certainly you can make it fit somewhat in halifax, but your gonna have to rip the shovel out of my dead fingers!

Hi All
I randomly stumbled across the Secret just a few days ago and quickly made a few observations that I think might be of use (or not…time will tell).  I have read nearly all of the previous post on both Q4T and Tweleve so I feel that I am somewhat up to speed.
Firstly, my apologies for the length of this post but I thought I might as well get all of my observations down at once.
Alright, here goes:
I live in Halifax, NS so my attention was obviously drawn to the idea that one (maybe more) of the casques were/are buried in Canada.  A quick perusal of the images leads me to believe that Image #3 is for the Canadian site, based on the fact that it is the only image in which the picture extends “outside of its borders” (ie outside the U.S.).  Reading older posts on Q4T, I found that others have made this same observation and I believe it to be logical.
From the work of others, I was under the impression that Montreal and Toronto were the expected sites of the Canadian casque, however upon beginning my study of Image #3 I quickly came to a startling conclusion:  I believe that P3 is actually depicting my own city of Halifax!
Perusing older posts have led me to the mention of Point Pleasant Park as a potential site in Halifax, which I believe to be plausible
In PPP there are several very old towers and memorials, notably this one:
I was immediately reminded of this site by P3 (incidentally, this is the Sailors Memorial which lists the names of men lost in WW1, WW2 and the Korean War).  Also, to my eye, the pose of the figure in P3 resembles a ships rigging, which should be a self-explanatory link to Nova Scotia.  Alsio, the reflection in the abdomen section of the armor resembles a ship’s anchor and there is indeed a very large ship’s anchor monument very close to the Sailors Memorial pictured above.
At first, that was all I had and passed it off as mere coincidence, until I thought of another site on the other side of the Northwest Arm from PPP, The Dingle Tower:
Then, I really got to thinking.  The Dingle Tower was built by Sir Sanford Fleming, builder of the Intercolonial Railway and the “inventor” of the standard time zones which are currently in use throughout the world and stands in Sir Sanford Fleming Park.  Once I made that connection, I began to see things in P3 which lead me to believe that I may be onto something.
For example, the bells hanging from the figure could be a reference to “dingle”.  The armor is clearly English or Scottish, and “Sir” (ie knight) Fleming was indeed a Scot who moved to Canada.  As you can see in the photo, two bronze lions sit at the base of the tower and I find that the figure in P3’s helmet resembles the face of a bronze lion.  Furthermore, the mace attached to the figure’s right wrist could be taken as a reference to Mason (Fleming was a famous Freemason), as well as an ornate ceremonial mace being the symbol of the Nova Scotia House of Assembly as a symbol of the shift of power between the (then) king of England and the first colony in the New World (Nova Scotia=’New Scotland’).
Also, the figure contains the cartographic symbol for ‘bridge’ in two places on its armor and Halifax is famous for having two huge bridges spanning the harbour.  The other symbol on the armour is both the symbol for ‘earth’ (as in he united the Earth with standardized time) and is also the Templar cross (it is believed that the Templars fled to Nova Scotia in the late 14th century after being driven out of Scotland, well before Columbus ‘discovered’ America, and set up a battery in the province under the leadership of Sir Henry Sinclair–there is also the theory that the Templars led to modern Freemasonry).  The cross on the figure’s cheek is one which is used to represent the four corners of the Earth (also a reference to the uniting of the globe).  The four-leaf clover on the figure’s armor could also tie into Fleming as he is said to have come up with the idea for standard time while on a trip in Ireland.
If this picture does in fact represent Nova Scotia, then I believe that the ‘pea’ in the spoon in the lower right in in fact a blueberry (the provincial berry).  I believe the object hanging from the other end of the spoon to be a sand dollar (sand=Sanford, and a reference to the sea).
I have also noted these things in the background:
I believe that the “key” hanging from each arm means to take one number from each side for each co-ordinate.  Doing this reveals the numbers “63” and “45”, the exact latitude and longitude of Halifax!  I also believe that the image in the red square is an outline of the province of Nova Scotia, minus Cape Beton Island.  I was thinking that the image of the cross on the wall in the lower left could be a part of a map of Point Pleasant Park, if the cross is taken to be the Sailors Memorial:
Following the outline of the marks on the wall to the point where the small “shovel” appears (directly under the left key) would lead to Martello Tower, in the middle of the park (more on the signifigance of this later).
The other red square at the base of the pedestal contains letters which I cannot make out.  Maybe someone else has some insight into this?
Okay, so where does that leave us?  Which verse would tie into this?  I know it goes against the generally accepted linkings, but I believe that verse 10 is the most likely candidate (though others could fit as well):
In the shadow
Of the grey giant  (Dingle Tower)
Find the arm that  (The Northwest Arm)
Extends over the slender path  (Arm Drive in PPP–just across the water)
In summer
You’ll often hear a whirring sound  (the park is infested with pine beetles which prduce a sound like chainsaws in the summer and have for decades)
Cars abound  (Rail cars–Fleming built the first Intercolonial Railway and there is a huge railyard nearby)
Although the sign
Nearby
Speaks of Indies native  (the sign by Martello tower tells how it was based on a design used in the West Indies and is the first of its kind in north America)
The natives still speak
Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.  (“Hard Words” = the names of those killed in 3 wars — ‘3 volumes’ engraved in metal on the plaque)
Take twice as many east steps as the hour (I believe the hour to be 13, not 1 as in the clock in P3 since Fleming developed the 24 hour clock, hence 26 paces)
Or more
From the middle of one branch
Of the v (the v in the path?  Not sure…)
Look down
And see simple roots
In rhapsodic man’s soil  (Any suggestions??)
Or gaze north
Toward the isle of B.  (Baffin island is directly north from Halifax, or could refer to the Battery which is north of this section of the park).
So, why Halifax?  It is a major port (as many of the sites are) and is world famous as a site for real buried treasures.  It was used for centuries as a hiding place for pirates from the Caribean and would be the most logical place in Canada to hide a buried treasure.  Of course, I could be wrong (and probably am), but there seems to be a fair number of reasonable linakges here…
In any case, I apologize again for the lengthy post and I look forward to insights from fellow members.

Thanks for sharing all the great new ideas! I will think about them.
The writing you cannot make out at the base of the pedestal is likely the artist’s faint signature – “John Jude Palenchar,” just as it is written in the first painting.
I spent a week in Nova Scotia last summer – Halifax is beautiful.

Here’s an absolutely perfect example of my statements made under the Verse 8 thread.
Congratulations for a well-done analysis. I don’t know what I believe now, but I think it merits some thought!

boogieman

I better get out to Brooklyn quick so I can save everyone some time.  Greyman’s points are interesting.  Certainly you can make it fit somewhat in halifax, but your gonna have to rip the shovel out of my dead fingers!

Spoken like a good New Yorker

Excellent analysis Greyman.  Interesting name choice, by the way.

first off, welcome to the hunt. even though i am basically sold on both Blight’s theory of this image being Roanoke and Boogie’s theory of that verse being New York, you sure have a convincing argument. sorry guys, but i think this merits some investigation.

Greyman….here are some questions for you…..How do you account for the images below? Especially the Roanoke Island map/shape?

shecrab

Here’s an absolutely perfect example of my statements made under the Verse 8 thread.
Congratulations for a well-done analysis. I don’t know what I believe now, but I think it merits some thought!

funny that you say that and then follow it up with your images of Roanoke.  Boogie is just being Boogie.  He is not saying Greyman is absolutely wrong.  He just feels that he is absolutely right.
Wilhouse said you could borrow this Boogie:

hi greyman77, it’s gonna take a lot to convince me that this image 3/verse 11  isn’t roanoke island. i take the picture being oustide the border to be for the “outer banks”.
and the face to be nag’s head. i’ve seen the armor in the museum (in pictures) and there was even some red velvet outfit in the museum.
i do like the “dingle” reference, that is good
,
i will try to keep an open mind, because i have read some of the treasure stories.

Unknown

Unknown:
funny that you say that and then follow it up with your images of Roanoke.

That’s right I did…because I was interested in finding out how
they
fit into his theory, since he hadn’t mentioned them. Sheesh, Fox…..

shecrab

Greyman….here are some questions for you…..How do you account for the images below? Especially the Roanoke Island map/shape?

Actually, I was thinking that the little thing holding the keys could represent the stylized “lion/griffon” at the center of the NS flag:
Since it has a lion’s head and eagle talons, I just made that jump.
As far as the mask, I still contend that it looks more feline than anything else (though I can’t explain the pointy horns/ears either).  Look:
Look at the nostrils…it’s way closer to the lion than the others, plus the holes on the left side match where the whiskers would be.  IMO anyway.
I apologize for the poor resolution on the goat–first good face-on image I found.
In any case, however, you’ve got me with the image outline.  That definitely looks like Roanoke Island (I had never seen a picture of it before).  You can make it look like NS with some creative rotating, but it’s pretty spot on to Roanoke, huh?
But what about the co-ordinates on the walls?

I am just goofing with you Ms crab. I am with you, it is the island outline that is hard to dismiss.

There are numbers all over these paintings–check out all the numbers in image 2!  Look at the red “skirt” under the armor. There’s a 98–or 38…or 86…(upside down).  I wasn’t trying to convince you to change your mind or your ideas! I just wondered how you felt about these particular things.
Okay, Fox, no harm done!!

erexere

so it looks rather important toconsider the month Stone.

as far as I have ever seen the only thing the month helps is for what kind of stone you get if you find the casque.
I have not seen it have any bearing on the location of the casque

Unknown

Unknown:
Preiss was a very good poker player, and was not giving out any hints about any of the other locations.  However, he did confirm my theory that the countries of origin of the faeries do connect with the sites.

…but the connection with nationalities is well documented, and made via month -> stone -> litany. It might not have proved particularly useful, but it’s there, and BP confirmed it to Egbert.
Having established that the litany does play some part in the solutions, I’d hazard a guess that it contains other clues as well.

How many people, other than PK, have actually been to Fort Raleigh and the Elizabethan Gardens? I went last weekend, but I want to find out if anybody else has been to a specific spot, so that I can ping what they recall.
First off, “octave” is heavily described as the the Wrights’ “friend” throughout the TINY museum at the Memorial. We got a personal tour being the only people silly enough to pay nine dollars to enter on a 34 F/steady 15+ day. Shout out to the guide… old men who fought in WWII are awesome. The wing was cool (I’ve been before in the summer), and I noticed that the side mentioning “to achieve…” is in line with Roanoke Island (the monument is roughly a triangle). On the door at the top is a bronze paneled door, which has several mythical/ancient winged characters.
Traveling south-ish, toward the WB Bridge, you pass the Ben Franklin store at MP10, with it’s 8-foot key squarely between the “n” and the “F” (On Driftwood Ave). The locals didn’t know when it was built, but one person knew it to be over 40 years old. Across from the store (the key) was a water tower, again looking toward Roanoke Island (not to discount the Samuel Mace clue, but this didn’t require a book – only to be on-site). There was also an additional water tower, that was shaped like the hand under the “mace.” The first doesn’t seem to have been there in the 80s.
Continuing down the main road, the Washing Baum bridge was quite adequately and repeatedly marked. We made a right and traveled to the land near the window (keep in mind, we are told the land is near a “window”). Then, we made our way to the Gardens just down the road, and read the plate indicating the “dark forest.”
Another nine bucks and we got to roam the Gardens freely as it’s only occupants (we were laughed at by the desk attendant as we arrived). The Dare statue pillar isn’t a good match to the image, but we probed behind it anyways. There was a date and name etched behind it, but nothing connected with the rod. The sunken garden was still a circle in/and a square.
The gazebo and and water gate proved just as fruitless. In fact, the trail down to the gate is now paved with some weird rubber conglomerate. There was nothing solid below the gate. The path to the sound from the gazebo had eroded to a drop-off, and it wasn’t feasible to probe close to the gazebo. The water gate has ancient barbed wire fencing leading from both sides, so I couldn’t see jumping over.
We left the Gardens finding nothing but the entrance yielding anything of note and walked on the sidewalk from then entrance to the Dare memorial. As we neared the memorial, five feet away, a sign noted that the land was called “
Wingand
acoa.” Looking north was the sidewalk leading from the Dare memorial to the Waterside Theatre, with the Harriot Trail between the two leading off to the left.
I studied the Dare memorial, carefully reading both sides, and noticed that the cross in the circle at the top really looks like a circle in/and a square (with part of the square punched out). The points on the cross are quite pointed and come close to meeting. The symbol was also DIRECTLY above the words “… in July-August…” So, “after circle and square” we went (the verse was leading in a very linear fashion).
We took the Harriot Trail and and studied all the signs. We walked all three paths that lead off the trail to the beach. When we got to the overlook, the posts were gone and the bench had been moved back 40 or so feet. I probed and dug freely… everywhere. And not just a few times, every six inches and three feet down. There was nothing to be found. I probed the entire rail line and about two feet on each side of it; I probed under the maps sign, and the sign at the overlook entrance; I probed between where the posts were and under every tree branch that hung over the sand; I probed down on the beach by the breaker pylons; I probed around the base of all the trees. Not a damn thing. I walked around the loop and repeated everything again with the same result… squat. A couple digs yielded ancient timber that had been buried to stop the erosion.
We gave up and walked from the trail head to the ticket booth. The signage clearly had two maps and amply discussed one map being in watercolor. It also read at length White in Green’s play. Then, we walked over to the theatre… I was pleasantly surprised at the matching clues within. These are the clues I would like to discuss. They include a “hall” of eye bolts in the standing room area, in front of a concession window. The window opens in the middle and is made of thin vertical slats (it looks like the “window” under the image’s arms when open).

Thanks for the post Thrasher, this is most discouraging
With the bench moved, the exact spot will elude us without GPR.
Photos?

Only a few photos. Most of them were taken at the WB Memorial (I was trying to the fit the “Lane 222” verse as well during my visit). I’ll put them up soon.
@Rookhunter – I probed all around the bench posts… fruitlessly. After this visit, I really think that the Harriot trail has nothing to do with the dig spot. Sand had definitely been blown/washed away from the area, but none was added (i.e., a 3+ ft probe was more than enough to find anything, if it was there). Additionally, the clues in the theatre were
really
good. I really think that the spot might be under the theatre, or the building from which the ship tracks originate. All of these buildings are on stilts. Running down the stilts from/through the flooring above are thin water pipes with spigots.
I get the impression that we are to be at the window in the standing room area (why the verse points out the land is near a “window”), look down the path of eye bolts at the furthest building, and then go under it.
Under that which may be last touched (or first seen standing) – this would be a good description of the northwestern most building as seen when standing at the window and looking down the eye bolt “hall” from the standing area. When you pass through the hall, you must walk across the sand to get to it. The structure has a HUGE tree that is entirely driftwood laying across its porch. This is the same structure that can be seen when looking toward the theatre from the Harriot Trail overlook.
It also reads well that you can see the spot when standing at the window, but you must walk over to the last building through the eyebolt hall (seen first from the window, otherwise it’s hidden by the towers, trees and stage), and then crouch down and go under the building to get.
The only thing I could get out of the nature trail was the sign about “Silk.” So, Ben Frankilin (the key) used a key on a silk ribbon as an insulator when trying to figure out about electrical insulators. Mica, is a prime insulator, much like driftwood. This involves levels of interpretation though, which I do not like.

fox, you don’t think someone has dug by those gates by now? and the bench? or no one has???!!!  thedomino have you tried there?
i’ve been thinking more to the stage.  our tinman looks like he has a
spotlight
on him, or maybe wherever the spotlight comes from.
whiterabbit!  i had been  thinking maybe the keys (besides the cays) and bells weren’t important but the strings holding them also!  and i hadn’ t remembered that part about the “real accord”!   maybe wingina, or the stage
curtain
or
boat rope or the ropes hanging from the boat
, since it could be a boat shape from the tinman. maybe where they tie the boat up?
i like that!  (but in the book, that part is talking about all the jewels 🙁  )
or, maybe where they show a movie…………..seems someone said that on the tinman, there were parts that went to a projector,but i don’t remember who said it, i thought the tinman just had parts on him from the museum,  but it could  be from up the hill from the stage where the spotlight is? ?
i think the
boat
is tied up to the right of the stage, so you would have to look up or north at the wing (of the theater) or maybe it’s tied up right behind the theater, then it could be tied up right in the back middle of the stage?
and i think that is a
stage curtain
behind the tinman
since i can’t upload anything, the
curtain
is in the window part on both sides, looks like some kind of
molding, but i think it’s the stage curtain
pushed to the sides
this guy tells about behind the scenes of the lost colony:
http://www.uncpress.unc.edu/browse/page/382
maybe his bust is like the pedestal?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gtstuff/46 … otostream/
or the rock wall in the image like in front of the stage:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gtstuff/461741094/
i think i remember now why i was thinking of soul or sole, i think it was the riddle part (first
SEEN
standing) you know your shoe 🙂
but, in the first
SCENE
, wouldn’t the
BOAT
be in the first
SCENE
??
!! !! !! !! !!
LOOK GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!! !! !! !!
>
The first scene shot for the film is in fact the last scene in the film
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:David … ost_Colony
ummmm  well, maybe that film is showed somewhere
but still, makes sense for WHATEVER is in the first scene  ;D
in this image, looks like strings
, but also, maybe that isn’t the curtain from the stage (the molding), but the big fence hiding the boat
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dong0r/3850984964/
thanks for the photos dongOr!
i like the plaque that has “newe” cottages on it too (new haven) and Raleigh
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dong0r/385 … otostream/
because surely Raleigh is in the first scene and maybe Queen Elizabeth??
or the historian?  from that website i posted the historian is the first to talk, but that doesn’t mean he is scene 1.. he was to the left of the main part of the stage
http://www.uncpress.unc.edu/browse/page/382
“The first consequential change in the deployment of the Historian occurred in the mid-1960s, when the cubicle was done away with and the Historian became mobile. Stage directions in a text from 1980 suggest what audiences saw during those years: “(light) comes up at the front of the center stage to disclose the historian of the occasion who stands illuminated in a circle of light. He is a kindly, elderly man, dressed in a scholar’s dark robe and carries a ledger book. . . . He opens his book, glances at it and closes it. Addressing the audience: ‘In the time of Queen Elizabeth the First . . .'” (1980, pp. 1-3). This is the way the Historian was handled for about three decades. Some years his costume was the scholar’s…..Whatever his costume and props, he delivered his lines from the
sloping front of the stage (center, left, or right). “
would u call him the first scene??
or the fireworks?
“Weather even determines the kind of
FIREWORKS
display the audience sees. It can be spectacular, with a quarter of a minute of booms, bangs, and whistling sizzles as rockets streak into the night sky and burst into plumes and pinwheels and globes of colored blazes that drift gently down before some of them explode again and broaden the beautiful shower. The display comes in the
FIRST ACT
as the Queen entertains the common people of England (and the play entertains children in the audience and adults like me). But if you are sitting in the audience some night and feel a pretty good breeze in your face, you can forget about the A-1 version of the display. “
“On the back side of the stage is a
PIER
extending maybe a hundred feet into Roanoke Sound, and fireworks take off from the end of the pier out over the water.”
so does this mean the Queen ?  but not sure if raleigh is with her and do they show fireworks at the end or is it the
STAGE
itself?:
“The end came as “Stand by L Q–140. (Pause.) 140–go.” “
this picture (p. 3)  looks like the
cracks in the wall in the image
:
http://www.ncmuseumofhistory.org/collat … y.play.pdf
shakespeare was in Act 1, scene 4:
http://books.google.com/books?id=CXvZJC … ay&f=false
if you look inside the book, the first pages,  it says Scene 1 is the prologue, which is just the narrator on the
STAGE,
right?
strings hanging:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8gFyPhLuB0
http://www.southernliving.com/travel/sl … page3.html

After spending a lot of time with Verse 11 leading me to Roanoke, i decided to scrutinize the images in search of a visual link.  How about the shape in the wall on the right side of Image 3, just to the knight’s left side?
I cut out a section of the high-rez image to zoom in on what i mean.
http://catwood.leftbrained.org/TheSecre … oanoke.jpg
Use MapQuest to zoom in on Roanoke Island, NC, or compare to this map:
http://www.insiders.com/outerbanks/map- … island.htm
While I have your attention, there is a repeated theme on the armor that strikes me as an important symbol.  It is a circle (or oval) with two vertical lines which angle away at both ends.  Here is another look:
http://catwood.leftbrained.org/TheSecre … ircles.jpg
They appear on the shoulder of the armour (on his left shoulder, our right side of the image) and is repeated on the center breastplate and even in each “elbow pit” as ovals.
Tell me i’m crazy, or help me find the international symbol for “dig here”!

I thought the 38 was in Pix 1

Unknown

Unknown:
Blowing up the picture, there is definately a 38 “written” on the wall directly to the left of the key, about the same height as the small bubble with nothing in it. It looks like there is a another number right next to it, but it’s hard to see. Could be 84.
what’s hanging off the imp’s foot near the bottom?
wilhouse

see my earlier post. it is definately this image.
wilhouse

Fox–
Where is the 38?  Can you please explain?  I may have missed something in the thread; I am a bit under the weather tonight.
–Johann

Johann, it is almost impossible to see unless you know what you are looking for.  I would have missed it completely had it not been for loph’s post.  look at the bubble with the flower in it…now, do you see the crack-in-the-wall/line curving down appx 45 degrees under the hanging key?  The 3 of 38 is slightly above the line underneath the knights(?) downpointing thumb.
falcon – “a” 38 seems to also appear in P1.  geez, how many 38’s are we going to find  ::)  what else could a 38 be?  a street name, lat/long, a gun, etc…the possibilities are endless.

Unfortunately the area you circled no longer exists due to erosion. It’s about a ten foot drop off now from the base of the gate to the water below.

I’m more inclined to think the mace is just that – Mace, especially with all the other clues in the image/verse that point to a name (Baum, White, Green, Fletcher, Cannon, Chanute, Bell, et. al). Not only that, but the church and cross are pretty far from the road to “Dark Forest,” and there is seemingly no direction in the verse to get you over there.

edit: error, double post

That’s assuming the “Dark forest” line is the correct and only one for it. In 1981 the Elizabeth II wasn’t docked at Roanoke Island Festival Park, and the bridge that leads to it (from where you can see the Bodie lighthouse) likely used to lead into something very different.
The lines under the statue (from which things like the keys are hung) resembles a mast to me with ropes.
It’s a small bicentennial park (!) that has the following plaque on the rear of the cross, the side closest to the water:
AMERICAN REVOLUTION MEMORIAL PARK
A MEMORIAL
FOR ALL TO REMEMBER
THAT WITH THE HELP OF GOD
AND
A DEDICATED PEOPLE
WE CAN STILL BUILD FROM RUINS
which has an odd cadence to it, as well as fits with the idea of Determination. It’s also the last thing you can touch, and the first thing you’d see standing as you sail in that way. It’s near Roanoke Island Festival Park, which I don’t believe has been explored, and next to the Roanoke Maritime Museum. The park it stands in is un-googleable. There are almost no pictures of it. In 1976 when it was built there was a 20 foot statue of Sir Walter Raleigh in the park, carved entirely out of a single piece of wood.
I mean look it’s been 30 years and tying us to the gardens we still have a tentative pedestal match and the words “dark forest.” In an area that’s changed way less than downtown Boston and downtown Milwaukee.
It is also perfectly south of the memorial:
http://imgur.com/HFz49er
These are the base of the lamps in the park, the look like bells:
These are the top of the lamps, which look like the part the “bells” are hanging from.
And here is the Roanoke Weather Tower, with similar support struts to the ones under the suit of armor’s arms.
All of these photos are taken from the front size of the cross in the same location.
I’m not saying go dig up the park, but it’s been 30+ years, can someone take a look?
I’ve been spending a lot of time trying to find the “iconic building” in each painting, because it’s there in the two solves, it’s there in Boston. It’s probably a theme. This is just research – this isn’t a theory I’m going to argue or defend, but this puzzle has been stalled for ages.
Here’s the Bodie lighthouse, which is visible from this site and the bridge to Roanoke Island Festival Park, note the windows.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … y_2007.jpg
edit: Not for nothing, but if you look at the things hanging off the suit of armor, there’s a bell with a circle under it, then another bell (lamp post?) that has a square under it, then the key which has the cross.
After circle and square?

Xieish

That’s assuming the “Dark forest” line is the correct and only one for it.

… It is.

30 years and the best match we have are the words “Dark forest” – and the verse doesn’t even instruct us to take the path to the “Dark forest,” just that we’ll see one. I’m sorry, someone find a match in these frickin gardens that isn’t the pedestal of that one statue.
You and I have worked well together in the past, but you can’t see how to anyone else posting that your response is completely maddening? People have spent over a deccade pouring over that location because of those words and turned up almost
literally
nothing. There is no smoking gun saying the prevailing thought couldn’t be wrong and we’re supposed to pass the sign, not take it. When you come off the bridge is there a fork of some sort? I’m not seeing anything that proves we’re not supposed to just pass the road.
The Wright Bros clue refers to things written on a monument 10+ miles away, maybe we’re supposed to see the Dark Forest road but not take it? Look how far the exit off the Baum bridge is from the Gardens… you definitely pass this part of town first…

Xieish

30 years and the best match we have are the words “Dark forest” – and the verse doesn’t even instruct us to take the path to the “Dark forest,” just that we’ll see one. I’m sorry, someone find a match in these frickin gardens that isn’t the pedestal of that one statue.
You and I have worked well together in the past, but you can’t see how to anyone else posting that your response is completely maddening? People have spent over a deccade pouring over that location because of those words and turned up almost
literally
nothing. There is no smoking gun saying the prevailing thought couldn’t be wrong and we’re supposed to pass the sign, not take it. When you come off the bridge is there a fork of some sort? I’m not seeing anything that proves we’re not supposed to just pass the road.
The Wright Bros clue refers to things written on a monument 10+ miles away, maybe we’re supposed to see the Dark Forest road but not take it? Look how far the exit off the Baum bridge is from the Gardens… you definitely pass this part of town first…

I can see how it is maddening, but that doesn’t make it incorrect. You do not see the “Dark Forest” sign in any way except for entering the Gardens way back in the woods well off the main road… seemingly next to the “iconic” building. There is not way to just go past it, like we can the WB Memorial – it is not visible from anywhere except a few feet in front of it, and you have to intend on getting to that spot. The remainder of the verse points directly to the things found behind that sign, unambiguously. If you read the forum back a bit, you will see that I am not a fan of the Dare statue column match either. However, there is another column that is a dead ringer. Also, it’s not the Baum bridge to which the verse is referring (i.e., ride the man of oz).
People have definitely been looking at this picture for quite a while; however, because it is out of the way, it has been largely physically unexplored. With the exception of myself and Paul Kitchen, I think only one other person has visited. These two reasons are largely to blame for the fact that almost nothing has turned up on the forum.

WhiteRabbit

Considering the various cross/tombstone suggestions…

Will this do?
Don’t worry, I checked. The plaque was added in 2009. Try to imagine the cross without.

For what it’s worth:
The first thing I thought when I saw the Mace on the right arm was “Mace.”
And the next thing I thought was “Anti-Ship Mine.”
So I did just a cursory search for a few webpages/screenshots for ya’ll to check out.
The type of mine the image evoked is apparently referred to as a “Moored Contact Mine” or “Floating Contact Mine”
There are a few images of the like here:
http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/pages/3895.html
, here:
http://www.regiamarina.net/arsenals/mines/mines_us.htm
, and of course here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_mine
This style of mine seems to have been in wide use in WWI and WWII, particularly in the defense of ports, which is one possible connection; might Philadelphia or Boston (or other port cities) have been defended by mines at some point, and now have one on display somewhere? Perhaps at some sort of park or museum, of WWI/WWII or Naval History especially?
Edit:
Forgot to include this earlier, but that also opens up possibilities for any sort of “Mine” reference as well.

Re: the maroon tatters (or whatever they are) – I can’t remember if I saw this mentioned before or if it was just an idea out of the blue.  Take a chrysanthemum and shove something hollow on top of it – pvc pipe, model of armor, etc.  Seems like the petals would splay down and around.  Don’t have a chrysanthemum handy or a piece of pvc, but it might look like the maroon parts of the image.  The blackened/shadow part of the image?  Maybe not.
Pic of a whole chrysanthemum at our favorite place:

Just stirring the pot some more, and maybe some of this has come up in the past, but….
– If he had semaphore flags in his hands, he’d be making the letter “R”.
– Maybe he’s supposed to look like the letter “T” — Boston T Party?……..
– Why’s he not centered on the window?  If you were the artist composing this picture, wouldn’t your natural inclination be to center him up?  He obviously isn’t, so does this mean anything?
Pine Tree

Unknown

Unknown:
I don’t understand why guys who have failed to find a casque for so long piss on new ideas

Because you fail to make the distinction between new ideas that are good, and new ideas that aren’t (good or new, take your pick). Be that as it may, there is nothing stopping anyone from taking an idea, working through it with other like-minded searchers, and probing (and/or digging) where that leads if they are so inclined.

dizalot

I don’t understand why guys who have failed to find a casque for so long piss on new ideas

You could have chosen anyone on this forum to say that to…. and you chose fox….
Also the plus sign is not in the book.

I was looking through some symbol dictionaries today (for Image 1) and I saw one that pertained to this image. Jambone posted a couple symbols earlier, but I haven’t seen this one listed yet:
26:29 · An ella cross or elf cross from Scania, Sweden. Elf crosses were carved or drawn on walls, household appliances, and so on, as a protection against trolls and evil magic. In the Icelandic myths the elfs were supernatural beings, not of the same dignity as the gods, but almost. The elfs were vindictive, beautyloving hunters and forest dwellers.
The sign [five-pointed star], too, was sometimes called elf cross.

Just the “Viking craftsmen Elves” who built the casques and could be, hence, associated with any picture/treasure.

i was hoping to wake up to some good ones ceekay
i haven’t seen any pictures of keys or bells (that i recall) at either ft. raleigh or wright brother’s memorial.  has anyone seen any?
think they could be another play on words?
keyringkeybellbell
ringkeykeybellbell
keykeybellbell
keybellkeybell
or maybe since bells ring…
keyringringring
ringkeyringring
or since there are two of each
keysbells
bellskeys
keysrings
ringskeys
ringbellkeykeybell
lol, this is how my mind works on 1 cup of coffee
the shapes of the keys are different
and there is Bells island close by…

animal painter

I keep looking at the “thing” dangling from the knight’s right hand…
the thing holding the keyring…and I see a bat !
Anyone else see it?
AP

I see it too.

I tried that too, slappy. I looked for place names and family names like “Belsky” or “Keeble” but no dice. “Bell” is an entrenched family name there, and a Bell designed the amphitheatre for
The Lost Colony
. The mace on the armor’s wrist may be a reference to an individual named Mace who was connected to the colony.
The pea in the spoon is a tough one, though. There is a Pea Island nearby, but the connection is pretty tenuous. On the other hand, it probably wouldn’t have occurred to us that it is a pea without the spoon, so maybe BP was trying to emphasize the “pea” interpretation? Maybe Pea = P?

FB,
There is such a thing as a “pea spoon”.  (who knew?)
http://www.spencermarks.com/html/tiffan … sterl.html
No research on its significance yet…a local silversmith, a cafe, a gift shop..perhaps?
AP

slappybuns

i was hoping to wake up to some good ones ceekay
i haven’t seen any pictures of keys or bells (that i recall) at either ft. raleigh or wright brother’s memorial.  has anyone seen any?
think they could be another play on words?

Well, sort of….
Bell is an aircraft manufacturer.
Keystone is another.
There is a Pea Island National Wildlife refuge and Belsl Island is also near the WB memorial site.
There is also an airplane known as an IMP–(
I’M  P
?–see also the little dangling figure of the
imp
) The word “IMP” is an acronym which stands for Independently Made Plane. (No lie)

i just read this and  thought it was neat because queen elizabeth’s skirt does look like a bell:
” Cool statue of the Queen Elizabeth that sent the first colonists to Roanoke. Sean kept hitting it, like a bell, since it was metal and made a loud “gong.” “T
i’m thinking the bench closest to queen elizabeth
also i read where in the fire everything was lost except the costumes (they were thrown in the ocean) and the” assembly bell”, and that their is a plaque there somewhere for albert quentin “skipper” bell
i’m thinking a bench close to queen elizabeth

I keep looking at the “thing” dangling from the knight’s right hand…
the thing holding the keyring…and I see a bat !
Anyone else see it?
AP

Choice

We have those here in Sonoma all over the place. They’re called prickly pear cactus and the leaves are called pad.
I think that whole spoon, pea and teabag is the confirmer of Fort Raleigh area. The ‘teabag’ being a dogtag.

Hmm. Never thought it was much of a teabag.
My interpretation is that it was a pear pad. That in combination with the spoon is a reference to the name of the road shaped like a spoon. Pear Pad road.

Your pear pad may have a hole on top of it with chain running through it.
In either case it gets us to the same Fort Raleigh area.

yes i liked the bell’s boys too, that was all pretty interesting.  you kindof have me second guessing, but having seen those arms in the museum and the armor and those other things, even that red feathery skirt, i remember seeing something in the museum that looked like it,  i’m holding on to thinking it’s representing chief wingina for now, but i will keep an open mind because those bells have to mean something.

you mean besides roanoke being near pea island and bell island…

maltedfalcon

you mean besides roanoke being near pea island and bell island…

Thanks…

I think I may have something… but only if the signs along the thomas hariot nature trail are old enough (e.g., food from greenbriar). i also might be thinking too hard. can anybody confirm either?
i’ve often wondered at the symmetry/asymetry play in the picture, especially in the cuffs. could this be why the “keys” are hanging from the cuffs:
http://www.mediafire.com/conv/14e2f7797112d10a81ba378a4d42156b81259bddba1260c8e645e3475a2edb726g.jpg