and just for fun… the railing looking down to the path / the path looking up to the railing:

a teabag….or simply the clacker/clanger/dangly thing-a-ma-jig inside of a bell perhaps?

Hi everyone,
I am back on Roanoke Island for the spring. I am doing volunteer work at Fort Raleigh. Last year I tryed to help out by using my eyes to look into your ideas. no that I am back I will be happy to help in any way I can. I think I might get access to grond penetrating radar this season. So, maybe I can survey a few likely locations.
Best regards, Paul

Kitchen in da house!  Welcome back!
I have a fair idea that it’s in Rodanthe still, but I’m completely willing to rework my ideas.  Should they end up in Roanoke itself I’ll make them available asap.
I believe the visual clues in the image are worth closer inspection even though they might only be artistic license, we still should expect something to match closely as the wall or columns did in Cleveland.
I found the shape of a wave in the shoulder section of the armor, I think that’s a good catch.  Inside that shape is a circular O with what looks like a large letter I.  That’s much like the big O on the cover of the Baum books, only those contained a large letter Z.  I found a circular sign containing a wave shape at a park area, it is an interesting comparison, i.e. a circle containing the shape of a wave vs. a wave containing the shape of a circle, as an inside out kind of motif used to disguise what can be clearly observed.  Another idea with just the letters is in Oz, the first letter is an O, the last or second letter is a Z, perhaps we are to find some location with a name that starts with the letter O and ends with or has a second letter I.  O…I.  Doesn’t seem likely though…what, OCTOPI?  LOL.  Maybe a compound or two word set with the first word being OCEAN second word starts with or ends with I…  Hmm…
OCEANS “EYED” =  OCEAN SIDE,  maybe the circled letter I is a clue that we are to look for markers literally on the Ocean side of Highway 12 as opposed to the western Sounds sides.
Wow, I like that.  I wonder if I came up with that before, it’s been awhile since I went over this verse 11/image 3 pairing.
Here’s a somewhat random thought, but also Oz related and Ferry related,
Emerald Isle is located at 34°40′1″N 77°0′49″W (34.666994, -77.013482), very distant from Roanoke.

lol, i  can’t quite leave them be, but i try.
i think they do “obscurely”  show what is around the park or near

So I gotta ask, has everyone just competely dug out the area around the CRO tree at the Waterside Theater and not found it?
MrBackstop

I was thinking about “last touched or first seen standing” and wondered about “Bed”. That could be a raised bed, herb bed, etc., but I’m interested in the idea that this might refer to something on one of the Harriot Trail signs. So I went over Paul Kitchen’s pics and found this:
Apart from the bedstead, I liked the similarity to the verse on P32 with its New World Elf.
The general “Profit for England” theme seems appropriate. I’d be interested in some photos of that area next time anyone visits.

WhiteRabbit

I was thinking about “last touched or first seen standing” and wondered about “Bed”.

Hmm….
So you’re thinking that “bed” might be the answer to “last touched or first seen standing”? I could see it being the last thing touched (before one falls asleep) but where does the “standing” part come in? Wouldn’t most people open their eyes and see the bed
before
they stand up?

How about “floor”? It is the last thing you touch before you go to bed (taking your feet off the floor), and when you first stand up in the morning, there it is.

WhiteRabbit

I recently got in contact with a volunteer at Fort Raleigh (hi!) who’s interested in looking for the casque, and I noticed he’s been updating the Wiki…

I noted what looks like a pallisade with a cross above it. (See photo) Has anyone explored the connection to the pallisade that is around the Waterside Theater? I noticed an interesting alignment bettween the wing, two maps and July-Auguast. They seem to line up with the theater pallisade just west of that line. The image seems to have points like a pallisade. The cross might connect to the tall lighting tower? You know…Last touched first seen… by the sun rising and setting? Any thoughts?

Interesting to look at mirror of image 3 along the plumb-bob line. un skewed, rotated, or altered. the plum-bob string isn’t straight, but it meets at the tip of the plummet when you mirror using a straight line starting from the plummet’s tip going up.
MOST unlikely – as this method has already been discussed – but fun to see this leaves the plummet directly under the key hole/lock(?) that seems to fit the keys above.
How bout directly under the lock on the gate… wouldn’t that be a blast.

Try to approach it with fresh eyes. Take a color print of the image, a printout of the verse, and some strong mosquito repellent and SPF 1000 sunblock.

Take a 35 min drive to Chicamacomico and find the Wreck Pole, then hold up the image and see how the water tower landmark in the southwest overlays perfectly with the pole’s south pointing arm. If this were the original location of the Wreck Pole, the casque would be buried below the end of the north facing arm, but I don’t know for a fact that the new pole was actually planted a short distance away or if it replaced the old pole in the exact spot.

I’d love to know how many of these areas were actually dug. The Hariot Trail, Elizabethan Gardens, beach, whatever. (It wouldn’t have to be an “I dug here/there…” statement, so you don’t dime yourself out, if you are worried about that.) But it would be great to know, of all these theories, what has been tried, so we can move on to new ones.
My 0.02.
P.S. Beachside of the watergate is out.

On limited time with the kiddos so prob won’t make it there Eric sorry. But I def did approach with fresh eyes fb. And no bug spray or sunblock needed but thanks. Must say nothing stood out as an aha moment (image in hand). Been to all probable locations. I honestly think this one was lost to the elements. I like the hariot trail location but again no aha. Then tried the gardens. I like the gated northeast path but nowhere to go with all the erosion. A worker told me that path used to lead to the beach but has since eroded to a cliff of nothing. We can chalk this one up as a loss on my opinion but going back tomorrow. I’ll post pics when I can but is there anywhere specific we need a pic? The hariot trail has all new markers but the overlook is generally the same. Also some locals said there is a spot in nags head they call the dark forest due to some haunted ideas but I kinda blew them off with the land near the window line. Gotta be in Roanoke right? Not nags head. Leaving after tomorrow so if we need pics let me know.

BINGO

No disagreement with anything stated here. I was simply making a distinction between a clue and shit. Wasn’t attempting to distinguish the importance of said clue/shit either. It’s very possible that I just worded it incorrectly. My bad.

No, no, no… don’t apologize. Argue. If you think the clue is shit, say so, but be prepared to defend it when somebody asks why.
I completely understood what you were doing (i.e., trying to make a distinction between a clue and shit). I think I was the one who was misunderstood (as is often the case). I was pointing out that there are many different types of clues in these puzzles – something that anyone from any particular proclivity might be able to find. Some sports fan can find a Bears logo, some Classic Concentration fan sees a rebus, an architect sees a building, a coder finds some coordinates, an English professor finds a lit clue, and an art major notices a painting…
Just because YOU don’t see the clue and somebody else does doesn’t make it shit. A theory that makes sense to you may make little sense to somebody else. There’s a lot of arguing about one theory being “a better fit” or a “closer match,” but don’t you realize that the rationale depends on YOUR proclivity?
Who’s to say that JJP wasn’t instructed by Byron to make some stupid rebus of Car-O-Line-A, and that is how JJP worked it in? Certainly not me. I have no idea. If someone sees it, they see it. If Erexere is the only one on the board that sees a rock in Oregon, does that mean a casque isn’t there?
The point is, most every interpretation of any clue that has been offered on this board is subjective. How can you venture to argue with ANYBODY’S interpretation of a clue when your own is just as subjective and based on your own bias?
I don’t care how outlandish sounding a theory about a particular clue or a puzzle in general is, there is no amount of argument that can settle whether it is shit or not – that is, when both sides are arguing using subjectivity.
Consensus doesn’t equate with truth and, well, in truth be free.

Heading to OBX/Roanoke for a family vacation for a few days and to dig for a casque with permission (most likely early morning Friday August 16 or Saturday August 17)! Have a solid ‘solve’ that is neither Elizabethan Gardens nor Wright Brothers Memorial. If I have learned anything from prior digs for other casques, it is that I will need help digging (and, as noted below, possibly need a lot of help for this casque)—BINGO can vouch for me in this regard!
If I am correct, the specific object ‘under’ which the casque was buried in 1981 is no longer there. I should be able to get to the right spot based on other objects still there from 1981, but we may need to dig up a broader area to make sure we don’t just miss the spot. Let me know if you will be in the area and willing to help—the more, the merrier.

No changing camps for me on this one. I’m confident that I have the right read of this image and verse.  I can’t prove it so rather than admit I’m wrong I’ll turn my focus to the other locations.  30 years takes it’s toll on these sites.  I read that the soil was reworked and the hilltop sculpture was removed temporarily for restoration in Houston, I read that the lot was redone in San Francisco along with additional top soil, I read that the Kosciuszko statue in Milwaukee was removed temporarily for restoration.  I’ll just shift those locations to the bottom of my priority list.

Unknown

Unknown:
What is that behind the key? pulling it back into the wall?

I just see another key, a small one, like a luggage key, or a key to a diary.

just to keep stirring the pot.
as I said before the arch looks like an arch on the brooklyn bridge
the mace looks like the star projector from the planetarium near central park
but the large bell on the right looks like the bell on the statue in herald square…

You’ve got me puzzling over V11 again now.
…first seen standing
Look north at the wing
And dig
First of seen and standing is S
Sand dig
Cross-reference with: “Embedded in the sand”
Last touched…salt touched…”Last touched or first seen”…dors / doors…
OK, it sucks.  😛
I want to find some link with the scandal.

four21thrasher, I did some scouting and photographing there a few years ago. It was a great trip and it really helped. Pay close attention to the nature trail near Fort Raleigh, especially near the beach.
My best advice, only three words:
TAKE MOSQUITO REPELLANT
.

i found a 1982 sat img of fort R,and a 2007,they are so so,the diffs look small to me
would like to find a really good close up detailed aerial
i tried to enlrg the 07,it distorts to much
view
http://tinyurl.com/76kbjr8
found it here
http://earthexplorer.usgs.gov/

catherwood

bumping the Roanoke thread for this recent view of the gate:
https://twitter.com/DOOMer77/status/974857888035475457

Unknown

Unknown:
Just spent three days in the shoes of @joshuagates and @JamesRenner searching for the Roanoke casque from “The Secret”. I’m very certain I found it’s location. Sad news is 5 1/2 feet of the spot washed away a few weeks ago, taking the casque with it.
/
The employees at the garden said they have no plans, whatsoever, to save the gate. If I were you, I’d reach out and see if they will allow you to sort through the rubble. It’s very possible the casque is under all of that.

I was in a hurry, and should have added the text of the tweet, in case it ever disappears:
also, thanks for the still image – i didn’t know how to extract the video url.

Unknown

Unknown:
Had anybody ever officially dug here in years past?

Forest Blight dug there in 2005. Considering how literal the Verse is, I doubt that he was the first. I know he wasn’t the last. Nothing left there to dig. So if it was there, it’s gone. It’s a shame really. At the Elizabethan Garden, but not actually IN the EG actually made sense.

MrSeabass

Might want to contact the publishers or someone related to the book and let them know about it. If it was buried there afterall and apparently destroyed, showing them this evidence might waive the white flag in regards to this one.

Hi MrSeabass,
you might have missed the developments about there not being anybody who has the solves. The publishing company dissolved after BP died and the assets were bought. Specifically the company that bought the assets said they did not get the solutions as part of the purchase. There are re-print publishers, but they do not have the solutions either. The only way to find the answer is to find the casque and key

bumping the Roanoke thread for this recent view of the gate:
https://twitter.com/DOOMer77/status/974857888035475457

Oops. Thanks catherwood.
(Still from the video.)

Too bad. My understanding is that this area has been eroding for quite some time. …Had anybody ever officially dug here in years past?

Maybe I just don’t like change but I am still very fond of this area of E Gardens as our site:

fox

I am still very fond of this area of E Gardens as our site

Yep, definitely. I’d like to get some pics of this gate and its surroundings from the other side.
Re: the
Janus
theory for this image…(Roman god of  gateways, origin of “January”, the month for the image, holds two keys like the knight)…I just came across some stuff about “Janus Gates”. The
Gates of Janus
(within the
Temple of Janus
) were closed in peacetime and opened in wartime.
To find the keys is your reward
For Fairy, peace the real accord
(Real accord…reel of cord…? Still trying to find some hint that might pinpoint the spot.)

Unknown

Unknown:
and to continue that thought
the thing on his right wrist, always looked like a planetarium projector to me.

I’m pretty sure it’s just a mace (a medieval weapon),but it also looks like an underwater mine.  In any case I’m sure you’ll see it in the vicinity of the casque.
That thing hanging below it beneath the armor’s wrist has what looks like the head of some animal.  My guess is it’s a sculpture, or a ship’s figurehead, or maybe a carousel figure, also nearby our casque.
BTW: Good point about the arch-window.  After seeing the Cleveland picture I’ll bet that window is out there somewhere too.

Unknown

Unknown:
things keep popping back into my mind:
-the “celtic” symbols as some people have talked about……..the BOSTON Celtics
?

That might explain the four-leaf clover

ok, i WILL get this right someday
hers the new link to the pic.
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/ar … 2b-%2boutl
ine.jpg%3fbcvQcrvBeQwXheQ9&.cx=94&.cy=150&.type=u
heres another link to try as well:
http://community.webshots.com/album/145211290FXGCQr

heres a link to the “outline” i made of pic 3, that shows some other stuff etched into the walls, let me know what you think.
http://community.webshots.com/scripts/e … ity=VsAamv

loph, couldn’t see it. here’s the error message I get:
An error has occurred.
You do not appear to be the owner of this album.
Make sure you are logged in.
Please push the Back button on your browser to correct this problem.
Thank you.
if you can’t find another place, go to yahoo groups, armchair_treasure_hunting and click on files. You can post there with Egbert and me.
wilhouse

I see now that the spoon might only be there to illustrate that a small circular object is most likely a Pea.  This mostly confirms idea that Pea Island is in the vicinity.
I wonder if the bright star with halo around it is a supernova.  Also in the Rodanthe vicinity is a town named Avon, or “nova” backwards.

Don’t think anyone has mentioned this yet but the right hand fingers clearly show a 79.
Only remote places in NY, and some in Pennsylvania, Virginia, NC  and SC have 79 as long. and lats.
Here’s something interesting. Roanoke Virginia is 37 and 79.  Niagara Falls NY is 43 and 79.
again, just in case pic dissapears:
http://www.freewebs.com/boogieman13/page5.htm
Found another tidbit:
http://www.freewebs.com/boogieman13/page4.htm
If you look at the 4, it really does break at the two top lines of the #4 and the 3 below it is very obvious. Niagara Falls here we come.  Anyone agree?

http://www.teslasociety.com/teslamon.gif
Interesting and pretty close.
Notice those little bells hanging from his robe?
http://bonvoyage.free.fr/pgpresent/niagara/niag19.jpg
What’s behind the Indian?
http://salmonriver.com/04niagara06.jpg
Look at the flowers;
http://www.estrellita62.de/indianer-bro … -falls.jpg

I am eager about this one, too bad I’m on the opposite coast in Oregon.  I’ll start the process of networking to see if anyone has the huevos enough to tote a shovel and trip it down the Banks.
After a good night sleep I am preferring the telephone pole on the west side more than the watch pole on the east side.  The image has a north like perspective even though it has eastward perspectives where two or three objects are concerned.  The big belly fairy and the large hanging key ring and the lines of string or wire more indicate the telephone pole.

Can’t find anything on maces in Niagara, but found this building;
http://ah.bfn.org/a/nf/united/ext/
On this building is this:
http://ah.bfn.org/a/nf/united/ext/source/10.html
Notice the circle with the cross.  Don’t know if it connects yet.
There’s a whole lotta stuff here. again, humor me and let me know if anyone sees anything else here.
edit: geez, after scrolling down on the first link above, noticed the address, 222 First St.  Crazy.

Egbert

Okay, I figured out how to post an image, finally:

I think Egbert is definitely onto something here!
What we need now is a high-resolution map of the Elizabethan Gardens. (The
one on the EG website
doesn’t have a lot of pixels.) Does anyone have a physical copy of the map given out at the gardens? If so, please photograph it or scan it so we can all take a closer look.

Has anyone else pointed out that the Elizabethan Gardens on Roanoke Island and the Fountain of Youth Archaeological Park in St. Augustine both have the same sundial?
Here’s the one in North Carolina:
Here’s the one in Florida:
Seems like it’s got to be a coincidence. I can’t imagine that BP researched sundials before he set off across the country. Still, it’s interesting. It makes me wonder if there was at one time a similar sundial at the top of the Grand Staircase in Milwaukee.

Okay, that’s spooky.

Oregonian

Has anyone else pointed out that the Elizabethan Gardens on Roanoke Island and the Fountain of Youth Archaeological Park in St. Augustine both have the same sundial?
.

That sundial is made by Rome Industries,they have been around 50 years , you might call and see how old that particular design is.
http://www.romeindustries.com/2345big.htm
http://www.romeindustries.com/aboutus.htm

Regarding the gate theories in V11, the month for this image is January, from
Janus
, the double-faced Roman god of doors and gates. Janus is sometimes shown holding two keys (like the image), representing the solstices. (Janus looks both forwards and backwards, like the Ritch Doctor on P209.)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
I’m wondering about the 16 and 11 (atomic numbers of the two chemical elements represented on the breastplate) referring to numbers on the Roanoke tourist map that someone previously uploaded, if this goes back far enough.
“With two maps” (V11). OK, so it seems pretty unlikely that this is the identical map they were using in 1982, and that the map and the image on the forum both happened to be scanned at the same resolution…but…I love the way they line up. I’ve moved them without resizing, putting the gem in the middle of the sunken garden, and Sulphur and Sodium fall right on their numbers. An Elf guided tour…?
As well as Kitty Hawk, “Look north at the wing” could be the wings of the theatre.

Unknown

Unknown:
An Elf guided tour…?

Ughh..

Hi Roanoke – I’m working on Boston and am wondering if you found any significance to the bubbles? You have 3 and we have 2 but can’t find any reasoning for them. Are they possibly landmarks once you find the dig site? Any insight is appreciated!

its not red soaked fabric its the carolina allspice.

Haarstick

Hi Roanoke – I’m working on Boston and am wondering if you found any significance to the bubbles? You have 3 and we have 2 but can’t find any reasoning for them. Are they possibly landmarks once you find the dig site? Any insight is appreciated!

I’ve read all the threads in all the messageboards, and I’ve never seen anything I really liked. Maybe I missed something though, maybe someone can share a good theory.

Going back to the OBX in a couple months. I believe this one was lost to the elements. But does anyone want/need any pics of the area? For real ideas only!! Sorry erexere I’m not gonna check under my beach house or in my daughters underpants because she like airplanes and the color green.

No prob. Have a good trip.

i see it too, lol.  Bats in the Belfry……………
here’s what they have in the museum:
http://flickr.com/photos/gtstuff/461771 … 059739991/

Has anyone else noticed these red marks on the armor’s pectoral? It isn’t a misprint, since it is visible on the on-line hi-res images and in my book:
Also, the stylized cross-in-circle mark on the other breastplate could represent The Mount, located in the Elizabethan Gardens on Roanoke. The path layout is similar.
As for the thing dangling off the armor’s right wrist (our left), one of the very few English artifacts recovered at Fort Raleigh was an iron scythe, currently on display in the Visitor’s Center. Fort Raleigh wasn’t exactly the rich haul that Jamestown was.

Regarding the three bells suspended from the armor, Albert Quintin “Skipper” Bell was the architect who designed the Waterside Theatre at Roanoke, where
The Lost Colony
is performed.
Or, the 3 bells and 2 keys may form part of a rebus, along the lines of Mill + Walk + Key.

which way?

I don’t know how I missed seeing this film back in the 80s, but the 1984 movie Brainstorm with Natalie Wood and Christopher Walken has a great ending where he drives onto the Wright Memorial grounds in the middle of the night to use a payphone for his modem. Sadly, he was VR-patched into the afterlife and unable to look North at the wing.

Just an observation regarding the object attached to( or seen directly below the spoon handle) in the lower right quadrant of image 3 that has been so difficult to identify:   The object is pear shaped, and flat in appearance. It strongly suggests to me a pear pad, which is the pad of the prickly pear cactus, which is commonly found in the coastal regions of North Carolina.
http://www.desertusa.com/magdec97/eating/nopales.html
It is intresting to note that there is a residential street directly opposite the visitors center within the Fort Raleigh National Historic site called Pear Pad Road.
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?fo … %2bpPZg%3d
The road ends in a cul-de-sac near Roanoke Sound.  To be sure, the road has many prickly pear cactus plants growing wild  along its length, hence the name of the road.
The object in image 3 appears to be a pear pad from the prickly pear cactus plant, albeit shorn of needles.   If it is in fact a pear pad,clues to the location of the casque might be located somewhere along the length of Pear Pad Road.

Pardon my intrusion. I’ve been reading and following this for several months now, but I only tonight made an account. Is anyone planning a trip out to Roanoke in the near future? I recently moved back to America from the UK and would be interested in going. I’m not exactly nearby, but it’s only a 4 hour drive away.

A couple of images for consideration.
These are of Marsh Plaza, a part of Boston University.  It sits along the Charles River on Commonwealth Ave.
In this photo notice the arches to the left and right.  Also notice the large symbol in the center of the plaza.
In the center of the large symbol is this symbol.
Now the bad news — these symbols MAY have been added during a restoration project in 1999.  I’m checking.

This reminded me of image 3,

Merlot…

RourkeSavage

I saw some pictures in the Roanoke Facebook group this afternoon and thought the original poster (OP) was on to something. The OP was saying that from the light tower at Waterside Theatre (close to the CRO tree) you can see the Wright brothers monument and the light tower was previously separate from the fort structure that the lights are attached to now. Could Preiss have buried underneath the old light tower before it was removed and attached to undiggable fort structure? I’m fairly new to this hunt, so I don’t know if this is a previously searched theory.

I recently re-read this entire thread and I’m pretty sure the light-fixture being moved was never covered. Nice job! Can we find more info about the 1980 location of the light tower? Isn’t that the one that is kinda represented by the support holding up the knights (stage) left arm?
I kinda like light tower for “last touched but first seen standing…” although you could massage in almost anything to fit that vague description.
Also, welcome! Be sure to wear a poofy dress so you don’t fall too fast down the Secret rabbit hole.

Check these pictures out and look closely at the separate light tower. The photo of the sign was taken in 2011, but not sure how old the photo of the theatre is. Image 1:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6033/5910022337_4e0ce7fbb7.jpg
, Image 2:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51AZLGdz5gL.jpg

RourkeSavage

Check these pictures out and look closely at the separate light tower. The photo of the sign was taken in 2011, but not sure how old the photo of the theatre is. Image 1:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6033/5910022337_4e0ce7fbb7.jpg
, Image 2:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51AZLGdz5gL.jpg

Thanks!
The thing on the right? Yeah, I see it. Is there any on-the-ground evidence remaining of the light towers 1980 location?

I’ve been there to dig but the ground is packed solid with clay, it always has been. The tree is made of metal too to oppose weathering. There is however a wooded area called the Thomas Hariot Trail that connects the CRO tree down a narrow path. You might have some luck digging there.

The historic building and the water tower would be in the near and distant background of the wreck pole. The station workers would pull a square cart with big wagon wheels over to a position to launch their lifesaving aparatus during july and august drills (reenactments).
The coolest connection is that station workers like these were instrumental in the First Flight.

I am new here, but will post my 2 cents worth and see where it goes.
I have been stumbling around, until I found this site, going from Image to Image, focusing on St Louis, where I live, but ONE post on here got me looking, and that regarded the guy who developed the parks in Chicago and Cleveland, and guess what, while researching him and his developments, I am fairly certain I have stumbled across the correct Image for St Louis and it is image 3.
Looking at the area in the “Tin Mans” stomach, this IDENTICALLY lines up with the entrance into Washington University, look it up on Google earth. It is at the NW corner of Forest Park. Going from Skinker to the entrance is an exact match for the representation in the image, AND the sports team logo is a BEAR, which is what I think the face on this image represents.
I think this is a pretty positive hit for this image, and having read through ALL the postings, I noticed that St Louis HAD been mentioned as a candidate for this image. The color featured in whatever is pictured below the waist area also matches the main color for their sports team.
The SAME guy that did the Chicago and Cleveland Parks also did College Campus’s. I know that from reading the posts that the Author had indicated that there was a casque buried here, and if the Developer is a link, then that makes connections. Now the bells might represent towers, I am not sure.
I have spent most of the day online researching this, and Google earth has been somewhat helpful, but I am wanting to see inside the perimeter, and so will have to plan a trip next weekend to have a look around.
The supports on his arms look similar to some of the walkways as seen from Google Earth, and looking at the Football Field complex, if this links with verse 2, then I think I can count 16 rows in the bleachers, and it is looking right onto a football, with standard markings on the sidelines every 10 yards up to 50, from both ends, which might also relate to the phrase “In the middle of 21 From end to end”
I have been playing around with the rest of verse 2 in the context of this location.
Any help would be appreciated.

I see you finally got in. I thought you were considering another image for St. Louis?

Unknown

Unknown:
Heading to OBX/Roanoke for a family vacation for a few days and to dig for a casque with permission

The best of luck to you. Having vacationed in the Outer Banks for over 20 years, I know that you and your family will have a wonderful time, regardless of whether the dig produces a casque.

I spent a few hours on this image today, assuming it is related to NC, specifically Roanoke Island, or Kill Devil Hill.  Apart from the outline of Roanoke Island to the right of the window, I there don’t appear to be any other definite ties, which is odd considering how many details this image contains.  Frustrating.
I did find this one sculpture in the Elizabethan Gardens that is a decent match for the cross/circle logo on the armor.  It’s funny, what struck me first about the sculpture was the bell shape at its base.  But, that bell doesn’t match the bells in image 3.
I also found this picture of Sir Walter Raleigh.  I thought that his attire seemed to match the armor fairly well.  Note the chest area, the upper arms, and the elbows:

Just an idea to link this P to a V – the knight’s fingers could be signing out a ’19’ and a ’13’ to give ‘1913’ reading left to right.  This is the same as the only year specified in any of the verses – V6.  Also, the line ‘between two arms extended’ seems to match with this P.

ran across this story, and maybe we need to put out, one of
those have you seen me pics of the casque
seems it is a pos that it could have been found, and the collectors
are not aware of what it is. not sure what he means by collectors
Virginia archaeologist Nick Luccketti, who also has worked at Fort Raleigh, says he has a reason to believe that maybe the village site hasn’t been lost to erosion.
“I’ve talked to collectors who have walked the beach on the north end for 30 years, and they don’t have any 16th-century European artifacts in their collections,” Luccketti said.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news … ony_2.html

I am reading a detailed and engaging archaeological report of excavations of Fort Raleigh on Roanoke Island:
Harrington, J. C. (1962).
Search for the Cittie of Ralegh: Archaeological excavations at Fort Raleigh National Historic Site
. Washington, DC: NPS.
…which I heartily recommend to anyone wishing greater familiarity with the area. It may shed some light on our hunt.
For example, it contains several maps of the island, one of which references a “tar kiln on Bell property.” I’ve mentioned Bell before – Albert Quintin “Skipper” Bell designed the Waterside Theatre, which forms the eastern boundary of our suspected burial site and is the home of the outdoor drama “The Lost Colony.” The same map contains “Baum Point.” In fact, Bell and Baum are family names that crop up frequently where Roanoke is concerned, and have obvious relevance to us. There are three bells in P3 and there is the Baum ferry/bridge reference in V11 (“
Ride the man of Oz
“).
There was an earlier question of how much the beach may have eroded, and whether or not the casque site may be simply gone. The report contradicts local rumors of extensive erosion, saying instead that available evidence suggests only 120 feet had eroded into the ocean between 1896 and 1962 on the north side of the island. At an average of 1.82 feet per year, that means about 49 feet would have eroded between 1981 and 2008, *assuming* the beach had not been protected. Of course, the beach has now been protected from erosion for many years, so I think our casque is still safely buried somewhere on the north end.
Recent comments here make me lean away from the Elizabethan Gardens – it would have been way more difficult to sneak a shovel into the enclosed Gardens as opposed to the wide-open Ft. Raleigh grounds. The wall is high, and entering the EG from the beach would involve clearly illegal trespassing, as well as dodging barbed wire fencing in dense foliage. It is much more likely that the casque is buried either in the Ft. Raleigh park grounds or on the beach (with the driftwood).
Naturally, it is extremely, extremely illegal to just go into either place and dig. Federally protected and archaeologically significant sites are one of the worst places to start sinking holes on flimsy evidence.

It’s a key that’s buried, so perhaps the position of the casque is represented by one of the keys in the pic. These might be seen as either side of the gate, which is represented in the image by the arch and pillars. I’m wondering, by the fence…? (I’m still a bit dubious about casques being buried within the grounds of private attractions with an admission fee, so I’d like to consider the beach side of the gate as well as in the inside. I’ve never seen a picture of that.)

Just keep in mind that digging inside the gate would require permission from the owners, which would be pretty much impossible to get without a solid reason, and digging outside the gate is a federal crime.

And also take a backhoe, a la wilhouse
, and dig up that entire area by the bench and water gate.  It is there darn it….let’s find it.

Wright Bros…right orbs…left orbs…

I apologize for the length of this post. However, I wanted to post the whole theory that I am presenting, the logic of which is below. I believe the armor image is supposed to be representative of a bridge, rather then a cross (or a play on words…”a cross” = across). The arms bridge across from the left side of the page to the right. The bridge for this theory would be the Mackinac Bridge in Michigan that connects Macinaw City with St. Ignace.
SIGNIFICANT HISTORY
St. Ignace was founded as a mission by a man by the name of Father Jacques Marquette.
PLAY ON WORDS
The governor of Michigan when the Mackinac Bridge was built was Gerhard Mennen Williams (known better as “Soapy” Williams). “Soap” + water = bubbles.
The Mace on the suit of armor could be a play on words (Mace on = Mason, the county in Michigan where Father Marquette died).
The Pea on a soup spoon (could be a reference to the phrase “Fog as thick as pea soup”…there are some fogs called “Pea Soupers”).
Assuming the pea soup reference, the bells could be fog bells (there was one attached to each tower of the Mackinac Bridge until very recently)…
http://www.flickr.com/photos/artreyous/4738329303
SYMBOLS
There are bridge symbols found in a few different spots on the armor.
The symbol that represents the “stone bottom at the water’s edge” that can be found on the faceplate of the armor (the section with the cross and four dots).
The cross symbol can be found on the bridge itself…
http://www.flickr.com/photos/artreyous/4738961662
MAP
The Mackinac Bridge is a section of Interstate 75.
The number 75 that was previously pointed out elsewhere could refer to Interstate 75.
The center of the armor could show a section of road just before the bridge on the south side…
http://www.flickr.com/photos/artreyous/4738328917
The “number three” that the armor is forming could actually be a section of 75 just before the bridge on the north side…
http://www.flickr.com/photos/artreyous/4738961192
MISC.
The general area is originally called Michilimacinac, whose meaning is debated.
Some say that the meaning of this term is “The Jumping Off Place”, which could be what is happening with the fellow hanging from the bubble (he jumped off and is now hanging on)
Most people conclude that nearby Mackinac Island got its name because the word Mackinac supposedly means “Giant Turtle”, “Giant Snapping Turtle”, etc. This picture could be of a Giant Turtle…
http://www.flickr.com/photos/artreyous/4738961672
The weird creature image on the halberd could be a Wolverine (Michigan is the Wolverine State, even though there are no wolverines in the state)…
http://www.flickr.com/photos/artreyous/4738961698
The two different keys could represent the two different cities (for example, symbolically “keys to the city” are given to people). Also, though it doesn’t seem to match anything in this theory, the keys may have a link to Greek Mythology. Janus, from where we get the name for the month of January, was the Greek god of gates and paths (keeper of keys), and also god of beginnings and endings. Janus is represented with two faces, one facing forward and one facing backward.
The red “slops” (what the red strips of material coming out of the armor may be) could be representative of the time where Michigan was under British control. Nearby Mackinaw City and Mackinac Island are historic reminders of that time period.
The light poles on the bridge have a match to the supports of the armor. However, all of the lighting on the bridge was changed in 1999 and older pictures of the bridge that show the lights show no supports.
The bumps on the shoulder piece of the armor could match bumps found on a section of the bridge used for maintenance…
http://www.flickr.com/photos/artreyous/4738961624
VERSE (Verse 5)
Lane (Could be the Shipping Lane that the Mackinac Bridge goes over)
Two twenty two (convert to letters 2=B, 22=V … Could be nearby Bridge View Park?)
You’ll see an arc of lights (“See” could be a confirmer for “View” of Bridge View Park…”arc of lights” would be the lights on the bridge that arc up with the cables) …
http://www.flickr.com/photos/artreyous/4738961304
Weight and roots extended (suspension bridge…”roots extended” could be a play on words for “routes extended”, which the bridge extends Interstate 75).
Together saved the site (“Saved” could be a reference for nearby “church street”, off of which is Straits State Park which contains Father Marquette National Monument).
Of granite walls (most memorials are made of granite)
Wind swept halls (?)
Citadel in the night (Another play on words where night = knight, connecting the picture with this verse?)
A wingless bird ascended (Father Marquette was the first person to document an old Native American drawings of what is called the Piasa bird. The Piasa, according to legend, was a beast like monster without wings that could fly. Hopefully, there is a reference to this nearby.)
Born of ancient dreams of flight (See previous note)
Beneath the only standing member (Quote from the memorial statue of Father Marquette “He stands as one of Michigan’s greatest men…”)
–I don’t currently have a solution for the rest of this verse, as I have never been there–

the armor has a face of a horse… Nag’s Head!!!!!!!!!!!! Do a Nag’s Head search on google maps, and you’ll understand.
-regulus

Horses don’t have ears that flop down, nor do they have little nub horns… also, their faces are WAY longer, and everyone wants to find some reference to Capricorn.  Now, is it fair to assume that the fact it LOOKS like a goat is enough to cast reasonable doubt about it being a horse?  Maybe.  Maybe it’s a Goat-Horse!  A Hippocorn!  Or very possibly a chimera, which has a lion’s body/head, a goats head, a snake for a tail, et cetera (and on Apulian images dated at about 350 BCE, udders)… That would also be quite fairy-ish.  Anyone else notice what looks like a Sand Dollar below and to the right of the spoon?

cw0909

i found a 1982 sat img of fort R,and a 2007,they are so so,the diffs look small to me
would like to find a really good close up detailed aerial
i tried to enlrg the 07,it distorts to much
view
http://tinyurl.com/76kbjr8
found it here
http://earthexplorer.usgs.gov/

You are corrct in that the diffs are very small and it is hard to draw any conclutions from this comparison. I am busy looking through the Museum Resource Center here at Fort Raligh. I am looking for photographs and documants that might help us to see the area as it was in 1981/2 in hope to identify that key feature that leads to the right spot. More news to follow as I dig. So far no luck at all. However, there are thousands of photos and doucments to look through.

I think its buried under this bench in the center of this image.  This is the spot at the end of Myrna Peters road in Rodanthe.  Originally i thought it would be buried next to the telephone pole.  I never thought of looking for a bench, but then maltenfalcon mentioned the “seat” answer to the riddle.  I was surprised to see there is a bench!

Thanks for the update 421.

I have been there, too, and my experience was much the same as yours except (a) I did not dig and (b) I made the mistake of going later in spring when the mosquitoes had hatched in great numbers. Wonderful job doing recon and probing! That is valuable information, if frustrating.
Photos??

MrBackstop

Exactly. Right where the jewel is on the Brassman should be a great spot to poke on the small viewing deck off the Roanoke path. Thank you.

Great! Just for fun, here’s another version…
The breastplate symbol on the right is “Soda” or Sodium, atomic number 11…
….and the crown is compass crown. Depends what the original map looked like though.
Either way, I quite like breastplate-map and litany-crown connections.

Unknown

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When Siskel and I finally met BP, he ended up taking us to the bank vault in NYC where the jewels were kept. He also said the solutions to the puzzle were in the same drawer… I did not get to see the open drawer. He also said that there were no solutions in the drawer, and made the comment, “they must be in closet at home I guess,” or something like that.

Unknown

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I regret to tell you that Byron kept all of the information about this book and the results to himself

Unknown

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According to John Colby from Brick Tower press, the jewels are still attainable. The only issue is that now you would have to physically show them the casque due to the fact that they have no idea where they are hidden

The only info I remember seeing on the forum about BP’s solutions is Egbert’s original description of BP retrieving the jewels:
…a later post from Egbert where BP’s wife said that she had no info…
…and a 2016 post from my4sonz giving a reply from John Colby of Brick Tower Press who bought the rights to the book…
It’s strange that they were never found, and maybe they’re still out there somewhere. One day someone will pick up a dusty copy of
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer
in a second-hand bookshop and they’ll be tucked inside the flyleaf.

MrBackstop

If you go to google earth and click on the 360 PHOTO you can see exactly the spot I’m indicating. The casque should be just to the West of the line created by walking from the statue in the middle of the #14 Sunken Garden through #11 Overlook Terrace and over the Ancient Bird Bath.

This is the view from the Google photo, including bird bath and gazebo.

Don’t forget this one.

Euhirudinea

Do people keep bringing this up because they think it’s true, think it might be true, or just want it to be true?

We keep bringing it up because people keep suggesting contacting the publisher to see if their solve is correct (without a casque in hand).

Unknown

Unknown:
Specifically the company that bought the assets said they did not get the solutions as part of the purchase.

Sigh. Do people keep bringing this up because they think it’s true, think it might be true, or just want it to be true?
One day I will dig up a casque. Or, maybe I won’t. But the day that I find out that the puzzle can be cheated is the last day that I devote to the effort. In the meantime, spring has sprung. It’s digging season.

Unknown

Unknown:
We keep bringing it up…

Let me try again.
People (who IMO should know better) keep suggesting that other people (who may or may not know better) contact the publisher. Is this because they (the former) think it will do some good? Or is it because they (again, the former) think it might do some good, so, why not? Or is it because they (still the former) want it to do some good?
I would hope that anyone else who is actively working the puzzle like I am would hope like I do that there is one, and only one way to know if your solve is correct. Digging up the casque, using only the information in the book, is the prize. Everything else is a distant second. Although I will admit that lunch with JJP while the price for the artwork that goes with the found casque is negotiated would be awesome as well.

Euhirudinea

Although I will admit that lunch with JJP while the price for the artwork that goes with the found casque is negotiated would be awesome as well.

As I understand it due to new publishing agreements, the original paintings are no longer for sale
that is different than it was before since Egbert was asked if he wanted to buy the original.
but a few weeks ago someone contacted jjp about releasing the images as high quality posters and jjp’s company spokesman
said although they had them they no longer controlled the images and that the images were no longer for sale.

Unknown

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the original paintings are no longer for sale

Have either Andy or Brian contacted JJP recently and offered to buy the Cleveland artwork? How about the members of the Chicago group? I’ll defer to a lawyer who has seen the publishing agreement of which you speak, but in the meantime, my sense is that JJP owns the original artwork and can dispose of it any way he sees fit. Otherwise, he probably would have destroyed them by now.

I’m going to give a quick solve for Roanoke Island. The major parts of this Image have been previously solved by years of hard work and I want to share the “map” I see on our Brassman in the artwork.
First of all the Gate is not the spot for the Casque so I believe the erosion doesn’t matter there, but it could matter if someone knows the spot I’m talking about.
I’m basically standing in my dig spot in this photo:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-K7jP2srD-qI/ … 06-001.JPG
This is the view looking into Overlook Terrace and the Sunken Garden with the Statue in the Center. The item in the foreground is the “Ancient Bird Bath” mentioned on some of the park brochures. Everyone has pretty much ignored this piece of the puzzle.
Here is a map of the Elizabethan Gardens showing all the prominent areas. One area that is not labeled is my dig spot.
https://outerbanksthisweek.com/sites/de … k=xEbSSGSc
Notice the small triangular shape on the map at the top to the right of the #13. This is the area to:
Look north at the wing
And dig
To achieve
By dauntless and inconquerable
(Ancient Bird Bath)
Determination
Your goal.
If you go to google earth and click on the 360 PHOTO you can see exactly the spot I’m indicating. The casque should be just to the West of the line created by walking from the statue in the middle of the #14 Sunken Garden through #11 Overlook Terrace and over the Ancient Bird Bath.
So how did I come to this conclusion? Well, the map is right on the chest, stomach and waist of our Brassman.
Start with the little circle in the center of the chest plate right under the neck, this is the #14 Statue in the center of the Sunken Garden. On Brassman’s right chest plate is the indication of the area for the “#9 Mount and Well Head”. On the left chest plate you can see the stippled look of the brass which is showing us part of the Hedge that surrounds the Sunken Garden. The smaller circles in the stippled area are open holes in the hedge.
As you come down to the stomach and see the diamond shape, that is the center of the #11 Overlook Terrace where many weddings are held. The darker area around the highlighted stomach is just an indication of the treeline and bushes going around the sunny open area. The tiny circle on the map at the top of Overlook Gardens is the Ancient Bird Bath. At the bottom of the “path” on our Brassman just above the jewel is a small circle indicating the Ancient Bird Bath.
The belt on our Brassman is actually more like an upside down crown. That is why you see Queen Elizabeth’s hair coming out of it from underneath. But the belt is also showing us what is called the “Roanoke Path” in the park. The jewel on our Brassman is located just to the West of the Birdbath on the visual line from the Sunken Garden center statue. See how the path on our Brassman’s body goes just to the left on the jewel in Image 3? The jewel part of the belt is the outlook area on the Roanoke Path.
Now the question is, did any erosion get up that high on that part of the Elizabethan Gardens? It appears to have more shore over there than what the area around the Gate did. But that is impossible to tell without being on the ground.
Anyone ready to go check this spot out? Or has it already been searched? I can’t find anything other than just now searching for Overlook Terrace and seeing that WhiteRabbit mentioned Overlook Terrace and his brainstorming on Page 22 back in 2011.

Euhirudinea

Have either Andy or Brian contacted JJP recently and offered to buy the Cleveland artwork? How about the members of the Chicago group? I’ll defer to a lawyer who has seen the publishing agreement of which you speak, but in the meantime, my sense is that JJP owns the original artwork and can dispose of it any way he sees fit. Otherwise, he probably would have destroyed them by now.

An email (copied from FB)
Hello Justin – Thank you for the kind words and your interest in Mr. Palencar’s art for “The Secret – A Treasure Hunt”. Regrettably, the copyright for all of the art produced for this book is owned by another publishing entity that purchased the copyrights, catalog and intellectual property rights formerly owned by Byron Priess Visual Publications. This contract prohibits Mr. Palencar from merchandising or distributing these particular images as prints or in any other method.
Mr. Palencar was a loyal friend & business associate to Mr. Preiss. Beyond his past friendship with Mr. Preiss, the existing contract(s) legally prevent him from imparting any information as to the locations of the treasures. That being said, Mr Palencar does not know the locations to any of the remaining treasures.
The Travel Channel & Expedition Unknown had to secure the art reproduction rights & permissions for the “Secret” paintings from the other business entity for use on the television program. We will not reveal the name of the new publisher/ business entity.
The original paintings for this book are not currently for sale.
Thank you again for your interest. Good luck hunting.
Sincerely,
J. Parker Antrim
Assistant to Mr. Palencar

Thanks MF. So it sounds like JJP doesn’t have the rights to merchandise the images, and currently isn’t minded to sell the originals. If people were interested in posters I guess they’d need to persuade Colby.

Unknown

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and determining if the conclusion you came up with ties to that tightly defined spot that is now destroyed and gone

Back when the book came out, this eventuality was considered, and there was an option if you found yourself in this situation:
“You may also send an inquiry if you believe you have determined the location of a treasure but are unable to explore it in person.”
I think finding that your spot has been inextricably altered by man or nature qualifies, since it would prevent you from “exploring”. However, Preiss himself let it be known to multiple people back in 2004-2005 that this option was no longer relevant. So by the rules in place today, there really is no difference at all.

MrBackstop

…As you come down to the stomach and see the diamond shape, that is the center of the #11 Overlook Terrace where many weddings are held. The darker area around the highlighted stomach is just an indication of the treeline and bushes going around the sunny open area. The tiny circle on the map at the top of Overlook Gardens is the Ancient Bird Bath…

Just trying to be helpful here, but, I don’t think many people will follow these kinds of verbal instructions. There are tons of theories posted all the time, a lot of them highly implausible, and if you really want to convince someone to dig you’re going to have to present a case that’s easy to see at a glance and also pretty convincing, without someone having to pore over a copy of the book and a copy of the map to try and figure out what you mean.

Unknown

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and currently isn’t minded to sell the originals

I don’t think he was ever minded to sell the originals to anyone but the finder of the casque associated with that Image. Now that I have seen the original artwork associated with Montreal, I understand better why that is. Digging up the casque entitled the finder to it, a jewel, and a special signed copy of the book (probably the hardbound version that 421 had). I think it also entitled that person to purchase the original artwork, assuming they were willing to meet JJP’s price.

I was trying to help people visualize the map that is right in front of them. I don’t really see how this is difficult to follow.

MrBackstop

I was trying to help people visualize the map that is right in front of them. I don’t really see how this is difficult to follow.

MrBackstop

….Start with the little circle in the center of the chest plate right under the neck, this is the #14 Statue in the center of the Sunken Garden. On Brassman’s right chest plate is the indication of the area for the “#9 Mount and Well Head”. On the left chest plate you can see the stippled look of the brass which is showing us part of the Hedge that surrounds the Sunken Garden. The smaller circles in the stippled area are open holes in the hedge.
As you come down to the stomach and see the diamond shape, that is the center of the #11 Overlook Terrace where many weddings are held. The darker area around the highlighted stomach is just an indication of the treeline and bushes going around the sunny open area. The tiny circle on the map at the top of Overlook Gardens is the Ancient Bird Bath. At the bottom of the “path” on our Brassman just above the jewel is a small circle indicating the Ancient Bird Bath.
The belt on our Brassman is actually more like an upside down crown. That is why you see Queen Elizabeth’s hair coming out of it from underneath. But the belt is also showing us what is called the “Roanoke Path” in the park. The jewel on our Brassman is located just to the West of the Birdbath on the visual line from the Sunken Garden center statue. See how the path on our Brassman’s body goes just to the left on the jewel in Image 3? The jewel part of the belt is the outlook area on the Roanoke Path….

With two maps
OK…fair enough…so you’re suggesting something like this…?
Speaking of crowns…I wonder if the original 1982 map had a crown on it like that modern one. That might be an area worth looking at.
Fairies of England proudly bear
Garnet, crown-jewel of their Queen

Exactly. Right where the jewel is on the Brassman should be a great spot to poke on the small viewing deck off the Roanoke path. Thank you.

interesting idea indeed…has anything else come of this?

both links work for me!!
wilhouse

since they work, what do you think???    not sure if any of those secondary pics are clues.  doesnt really matter for me anymore, i had no success here in boston
kinda of a bummer, thought i was going to get this one.  oh well.  still going to work on it though.  talk to you guys later.

now looking at my book, I can definitely see the 38.  I had never seen that before, thanks!

I’m thinking that the pea spoon next to the potato chip shape is a general reference to pea island much like our reference to nag’s head.  I believe pea island is part of the outer banks.
Also, a question was raised about some gate pillars that used to be at the entrance of the Park itself and were later moved.  I may have found a picture of them on this page…
http://news.webshots.com/album/557204063aDEtlz?start=12
It should be the second photo named “Fort Raleigh”.

This is the front of a B-25 Mitchell bomber:
http://mitzel.us/Photo/B25.jpg
.
To me, the face in image 3 looks like the front of an airplane, especially the eyes/windows.  The “snout” looks quite a bit like the front bubble from the B-25, but the proportions with the windows are off.  It may not be a B-25, but if I’m right, it’ll be a plane from the 1930’s or 1940’s.  The windshield of a B-17 looks like a decent match.

i think its prob a coincidence, in my small town i know of 2 of the same dial
this one is popular too
http://www.romeindustries.com/2312big.htm

Unknown

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I think it is a very long shot that even if the maroon whatever did indeed represent slops, linking them to driftwood is just too far out there.

I hear you, Fox, but two things. First, this is the biggest, prettiest piece of driftwood on the beach. Second, the driftwood doesn’t remind me of a pair of slops per se, but the way the roots stick out and criss-cross remind me strongly of the outline of the shreds and tatters in P3.

Unknown

Unknown:
Forest Blight did *not* dig there.

My apologies FB. I must have been confusing you with another poster from that time (nodon?), or someone else entirely. Over the last 12-14 years, the Water Gate has been a very popular place to explore and dig.

Euhirudinea

Forest Blight dug there in 2005.

To his infinite regret, Forest Blight did *not* dig there. He has dug only in Milwaukee.

forest_blight

To his infinite regret, Forest Blight did *not* dig there. He has dug only in Milwaukee.

Hey forest_blight, I’m in your stomping grounds. Sadly, there are no bridge marker plates, only stubs of Iron where they used to be attached.
Not sure why I am posting this in the Image 3 thread.

That trail is the one by the Gazebo. It’s called Roanoke trail. The spot is just to the west of the Gate.

Unknown

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i thnk its called the Thomas Harriot trail

No. The Harriot Trail is in Fort Raleigh proper, between the EG and the Theater. It starts and ends near the fort and takes you out to several places where you can access the beach, including the Overlook. It might be represented by the elongated loop in the image, right below the key hanging from the knight’s left arm. It’s an unlikely place for Preiss to have buried the casque IMO. But not nearly as unlikely as anywhere actually in the Elizabethan Gardens, which is where the panorama picture that Backstop posted was taken (north of the Sunken Garden and east of the Gazebo, on the bluff that separates the garden from the beach).

ahhh gotcha. you cant even access Elizabethan Gardens half the year.

Unknown

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you cant even access Elizabethan Gardens half the year

Well, if by half you mean from the time it closes for the day (3-6 PM, depending on the month) to the time it opens the next day (9-11 AM, again depending on the month), then yes, technically it is closed for more than half the calendar year, including all of February. It’s still accessible though, just not through the front door. Point being, if Preiss did bury the casque inside the EG, there is no reason for him to have done it during normal business hours.

i thnk its called the Thomas Harriot trail or something of that nature. but yea, i did it. i actually have a vid of me walking the whole thing lol.

Elytron.  Greek for “sheath” is the name given to the hard shell section that covers the hindwing of a beetle.
In this image we see an armored upper torso that seems to be covering the folds of red fabric that juts out from the base.  With beetles, the wings might drape beyond the shell momentarily during retraction once the elytron are relaxed back into their neutral position.
I believe the intention of armor and weapons extending from the arms are indicative of the elytron of a beetle.  I think it works to guide us to the conclusion that “in December” “where white is in color” “with two maps” equates to the December of 1968 when the Beetle’s White album held the No.1 position in two charts (a map may be a chart), US and UK.

Unknown

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The story has no relation to this hunt, but how do you build a hut out of mica and driftwood?

You
could
build a house from driftwood and mica. Mica was used as window glass at one time. And driftwood is, well,
wood
.
Something interesting just occured to me. Mica was used as window glass. DUH. It was called “Isinglass”.  Anyone remember the song “The Surrey with the Fringe On Top” from the musical
Oklahoma
!
? A line in that song goes “…with isinglass curtains you can roll right down/in case there’s a change in the weather…”
So I looked up Isinglass….and came up with this from Wiki:
Other uses of the term “isinglass”
Isinglass (collagen) should not be confused with Isinglass (mineral) which is made from sheets of mica and was once commonly used as a heat-resistant substitute for glass, or Project ISINGLASS, a 1960’s CIA secret spaceplane project.
The 1960’s CIA spaceplane project?  Space
PLANE
? Hmmm…Well, needless to say I checked and it had no connection with the location or any of the landmarks therein.
Mica is now primarily used as an eletrical insulator. So maybe, instead of continuing to search the beach, (which I think is absolutely FRUITLESS because of the nature of beaches and sand and surf,) perhaps he was referring to a power station, an electrical tower, or a telephone pole! Which would possibly be NEAR a place where driftwood could be found. Nothing says you have to have both mica AND driftwood in the exact
same
location–they might be in line–or next to each other.

Here is a link about North Carolina that may be of interest:
http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/North_Carolina
In 1870 North Carolina’s mica mines were reopened, and they produce the best grade of sheet mica for glazing and a large percentage of the country’s yield of this mineral. Most of it has been found in the N.E. portion of the Mountain Region;
There is also a Driftwood Ave. in Manteo…

Okay, nobody wants to play with this one.  Check this out anyway.  Part of the Niagara Parks Heritage Trail.
http://www.adventurepluspublishing.com/ … 20carn.jpg
It’s also on this page if you scroll down:
http://www.adventurepluspublishing.com/ … ites_3.htm
Notice the cross at the bottom of the monument.  Etched in stone just like the cross on the bottom left of image 3.

wave = beckon.
Maybe a sign like this is near the path that beckons.

I don’t have the book, and I don’t remember the order.  I believe the high res scans call this image 2, but I could be wrong.
In any event, here are some links for the sculpture garden in Minneapolis:
http://www.artsconnected.org/search/art.cfm?DBowner=WAC&id=713
http://www.artsconnected.org/search/classroom.cfm?DBowner=WAC&id=77&nonav=no
http://www.theslowlane.com/91tripb/web.html
http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:mj1veI262mwJ:www.conmicro.cx/~kturtle/diaries/swed/photos/+sculpture+giant+spoon&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
http://daryllang.com/dogs/day01.html
http://www.walkerart.org/resources/res_msg_mapframe.html
Someone had mentioned the spoon with a cherry in another thread, and it seems to match.  The “dangling items” in the wire mesh sculpture (with columns) certainly parallel the dangling items in the armor pic.  Also, looking at that sculpture from above, it would look like the design on the mouth of the armor.
btw, yes, the “holes” to which I was referring are the dents in the armor.  I was thinking that we would see more matches with the armor somewhere in the sculpture garden, but I can’t find any more.

Unknown

Unknown:
The book was published before those sculptures existed.

Oops!  Didn’t catch that.  Oh well, back to the drawing board.  I originally thought that this picture related to Boston, anyway — I will have to go back and look at my notes to see why.

Just some confirmers for Roanoke (latitude 36, longitude -75):

Here’s another # to throw at ya FB.  Look at the center image and click.
http://www.freewebs.com/patcash/image6.htm
With regard to your post above, I still see a 79 in the right hand.  It just won’t go away.

Today I e-mailed a couple of authorities on American Sign Language, saying, “In the attached image, does it appear to you that
the suit of armor is expressing something in sign language?”
One replied almost immediately with:
Not really. Although it somewhat reminds me of the Abraham Lincoln
Memorial (!!!). Some people say that in that statue he is holding his
hands in the form of the two fingerspelled letters “A” and “L” (for
Abe Lincoln). Your drawing sort of looks like this too: the left
handle resembles an A, and the right an L (but it is only a remote
resemblance).
For comparison:

I see what you’re saying about the 79, boog, but it’s a real stretch. To address your other point…
There’s definitely something there, but given that digits can be reversed and in any order, it could be 67, 76, 23, 32, 35, 36, 39, 53, 63, or 93.

Well Fox,
since you brought up the coliseum, the only place that REALLY looks like a coliseum is Harvard Stadium.  Check it out:  http://www.216design.com/lab/harvard/harvard.html  But it is located so far away from where we are snooping around, it doesn’t seem to fit.
ABQRAM

I’ve wondered whether the struts represented some of the many wooden beams at the Lost Colony Theatre…
Where white is in colour
I’m sure this is “where White is in Green”, referring to the character White in their Paul Green play. Maybe the pea suggests “pea (P) green”. There’s isn’t much white and green in the image, but they’re shown together in the flower.
There’s a road that leads to
Dark forest
The line “walked away through the dark forest into history” which appears on the sign is from the play.
Under that which may be last touched
Or first seen standing
I suspect this is another reference to the play, and some connection in the first and last
scene
– maybe a reference to beach/sand/dune, or a tree, or something. Nearly ordered a copy just now but it’s at least a tenner secondhand, so I’ll check out the clips on YouTube first.
I think the book references the Elizabethan Gardens as well as the theatre, though considering the verse again, it seems closer to the theatre than the gardens to me.
I still like the water gate – in fact I just wrote to them again asking if they have any pics of it from the other side – but if digging there is out of the question as Forest seems to think, I’m still interested in the alternative possibility of “look north at the wing” as a cryptic hint for the theatre/wing.

I just figured that the pea was a location reference to the nearby Pea Island Wildlife Refuge.  Similar to the Euclid triangle in image 4.

balancing spoon and weight
I think it could be a road map because the shape of the object and its string matches the looping Fort Raleigh Road.
Then the Pear Pad road has a bend like a spoon handle and the pea is where the Fort Raleigh Nation Historic Site is marked on the map.
http://goo.gl/maps/tUkdO

I think the spoon and pea are two things, 1) reference to Pea Island (refuge = shelter or safe place <- land near the window, a window may imply a wall and a wall may imply a shelter), 2) reference to carrying something which is about to be swallowed, such as someone at risk of drowning at sea during a shipwreck.  This also echoes a reason for why the armor has no legs.  Breeches buoy rescue.

entrance to Elizabethan Gardens
http://goo.gl/maps/kE3ZI
Is this the arch in the background of image 3?

wk

Is this the arch in the background of image 3?

Yes. And the belt of the armor (upside down) is most likely representative of the complete entrance, as opposed to just the door.

My apologies if any of this has been covered already, but in order to avoid creating any preconceived notions, I’ve tried to avoid reading these threads.
I had a similar thought about pea island which is roughly south and east of Roanoke, especially when I read that the Pea Island lifesaving station had the only all black crews and had the first black commander, Richard Etheridge, so they might be considered “black peas” (or pearls?). The plaque for the station mentions this fact.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/71/Pea_island_life_saving_station_memorial_plaque.JPG
.  The tag on the spoon reminds me of the tags they used to convey directions to the stranded ships on how to help the surfmen do their jobs and the statue does resemble the apparatus for the breeches buoy.
My major issue with Fort Raleigh and that area is that it’s been a national historic site and park for quite a long time making it impossible to recover anything.  So I would expect that any cache would be outside the park lines.  Also, I don’t know how strict the hunt is directionally speaking, but if you pair verse 11 with this image, a straight north/ south line from the Wright Brothers Memorial runs outside the Fort Raleigh site near a street called Forest Ave and through the Roanoke Island Festival Park a little further south.  This actually ties in with the proposed landing site for the Roanoke Colony at/near Baum Point.  Considering how much the fae migration mirrors human migration to the new world, I think it’s worth a bit of research.

http://elizabethangardens.org/whats-in-bloom/tour/
There is a map on this page which shows the location of the trees around a lawn.
I think it matches the blue blobs inside the arch.
If you take the audio tour, at the Gazebo location, it mentions you can look towards the Wright Memorial at Kitty Hawk.

RourkeSavage

Yes the lights used to be on steel towers separate from the fort structures on each side of theater. I believe in the 80s the light towers were separate and at some point along the way the lights were placed on top of the fort structures and the tall steel towers were removed.

Still, I think you were right on when you noted most of the place was shallow dirt over wood and rock. I’d imagine the light tower was on a similar platform in 1980, which means it couldn’t be under it

That’s a shame. I live close to Roanoke so the fact that it may be lost now is rather sad. I was about to try and get a permit and take the trip.

I know this has basically been solved but I still wanted to ask if anybody looked into the Run Hill State Natural Area located just south of the Wright Brothers Memorial? Which may be first seen and last touch makes me think of the dunes there, and the look north to the wing made me think of it also because it’s located just south of the memorial.
I know it’s a major stretch as I’m basically just pulling from the verse, but maybe someone smarter might be able to dig deeper. Forgive me if it has already been discussed.

Mrshamrock:  where do you see the baseball symbol?

There is a similarity to the Wright Brother’s Memorial takeoff boulder in the lower right painting area. I couldn’t figure out that area for a while. Then Turtle made a breakthrough. There is a sort of flourish like object drawn in above the boulder object that does a nice job of camouflaging the boulder. Once you remove everything else the boulder shape jumps out for you.

regulus, was there a statue of chief wingina anywhere, or anything about the tribes that lived there? monuments or inscriptions? i read yesterday that harriot learned the algonquin language.
the stylus devil’s (in the image)  area of origin is native american.  i know wingina is in the play, but is there something that talks about him anywhere else?

I was close to saying that the round object above right wrist was not a mace because I thought maces had sharper points for more damage.  That was until I found this
http://www.bimmini.com/studios/mace.jpgmaybe
this type of mace was used more to pummel…

Unknown

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just speculating here….let’s say a casque’s site (in Detroit..made up locale, just a big city) has since been covered over by a highway, skyscraper, etc..and has no possible way of being retrieved..period!

But how do you (or Brian) know that the guy running the first bulldozer through the site popped up this cute little pottery thing in a plastic box, took it home and its sitting on his mantlepiece. he has no clue what it is… but BP announces the detroit casque can never be found
and you are able to eliminate a verse and picture – making it easier to find other casques… every succsessful hunt will eliminate possibilities of verses and pictures making the other hunts easier and easier…
meanwhile the bulldozer operator reads about the “impossible” quest in the paper… he turns up to get his jewel… will BP give it to him?
BP isn’t ever going to “eliminate” a casque, I seriously doubt he actually keeps tabs on them.  The rules have been posted, if you can’t get to a casque, and send BP the exact location
you still get the gem, but not the casque. The only way to eliminate the casque is to claim the jewel.

As well as being a silversmith, was Paul Revere ever a currier (one who works with leathers)?  If so, another definition of a mace: ” A knobbed mallet used by curriers in dressing leather to make it supple.”  Could the red sections of whatever in the P be strips of leather?

just as a word to the discussion, remember that I did ask him if he knew if the CLUES were still there, and he gave the indecipherable answer ‘”after 22 years, all I can say is l”.
I would assume the answer for the casques would be similar, if less obtuse.
wilhouse

According to the book, it would be possible to claim a jewel without sending in the key.  On the treasure claim form, there’s a box for “I’ve determined the location of a treasure but am unable to explore it”.  You  just don’t get to keep the casque.  So, even if it is underneath a highway, if you’re *sure* of a really specific solution, you can send it in.

Although I’m not yet convinced this picture signifies Boston, the hook hanging off the right arm looks a lot like Cape Cod.  Does anyone see anything else nearby to indicate a Massachusetts map outline?

I did a web search for pea spoon this one thing I found:
“Pea spoons are quite rare. They are usually designed with long handles and shallow, pierced circular bowls.  A wonderful aesthetic design of swirls, a single flower and a paisley device at the top decorates the front of this handle.  The great bowl is pierced to resemble a large flower in bloom. The back of the handle is plain with a classic tip at the top above an engraved ‘ALS’ monogram.
This lovely server is stamped on the back with Davis & Galt’s trademark along with the great Boston retailer ‘BIGELOW, KENNARD & CO/ STERLING’. It measures 9.25 inches long, weighs 2.55 troy ounces and is in very good condition with very light wear to the handle.”
http://www.spencermarks.com/html/k310.html
hmmmmmmm………

Hey everyone… happy solstice time and welcome to summer…
Slappy… you actually bring up a good point…
I’ve been offline for a while, but I try to catch up on posts occasionally…but I don’t seem to see posts about “Hunting”.
Who is actually hunting?  Who is out there with a metal rod or shovel, poking around or digging?
All the speculation in the world means nothing if someone is not actually poking and/or digging.
It is unlikely that I will be able to travel any time soon, but I seriously wish I could go to NY or NO and put a shovel in the ground.

…yeah, the first thing Slappy asked me when I signed up is: “Are you a hunter?”
Now I can see why.
As soon as The Ultimate Quest has ground to an end, I’m going on a recruiting drive.  😉

The bigest clue that we may all be overlooking is the “metal man” its self. The metal man may likely be an artist’s adaptation of an actual suit of armor that is or was in a museum or visitor center near the approximate area of the casque.
It is possible that additional clues were added to the armor as well.
My guess is that the arms were added by the airtist. Looking at other examples of his work reinforces that idea. The helmet and chest plate could be an exact reproduction of the actual display with possibil more clues added.
It may be helpful to see if a suit of armor similer to that in the image is located or at one time was on display in a museum or visitor center in the area.

Just a random thought, but I was wondering if these might be stairs. (Not necessarily these ones.)
In general, I think it’s worth scouring these images for different perspectives and interpretations. I expect there are disguised dig confirmers we haven’t seen yet.

I’ll offer an alternative theory. Judging from that low-rez video, the painting has nothing but blank walls behind the hands, all the way to the edge. Preiss rightly decided that it was better to draw attention to the hands by letting them be cut out, surrounded by white (instead of expensive ink!), and expand the rest of the image to fill the normal space. I could compare this to the technique used in comic book (graphic novel) page layout, where items which break the frame draw attention to them. The use of space can be an artistic choice. JJP painted an environment literally; BP enhanced the composition for his purpose.

It doesn’t look like there is much detail in the borders of the original image, and I disagree that clues (however small) would have been removed. I think they simply agreed to crop the image so that what remained (including all the important stuff) could be presented in a slightly larger format.

I’m detecting a hint of Lincoln in everything I look at:
Does the man in armor represent a scarecrow?  It can be said the armor is “cover’n the flowers”, a wile indeed.
(Scarecrow)
I could wile away the hours
Conferrin’ with the flowers
Consultin’ with the rain
And my head I’d be scratchin’
While my thoughts were busy hatchin’
If I only had a brain
I’d unravel any riddle
For any individ’le
In trouble or in pain
(Dorothy)
With the thoughts you’d be thinkin’
You could be another
Lincoln
If you only had a brain
(Scarecrow)
Oh, I would tell you why
The ocean’s near the shore
I could think of things I never thunk before
And then I’d sit and think some more
I would not be just a nuffin’
My head all full of stuffin’
My heart all full of pain
I would dance and be merry
Life would be a ding-a-derry
If I only had a brain

this is great thedomino!  are you taking a shovel too?
seems to me the verse is leading you from the gardens to the lost colony theater and i think virginia dare is toward the theatre.
besides the gates front and back and benches and seats (that we all like)  i was thinking maybe……….virginia dare was the “last touched or
first seen standing”
, because she was just a baby and this statue has her grown up (and standing)
and in the book “shrunk to tiny size”.(dare),  “right gladly” and “right swiftly” could be the wright brothers, but “all that company”  could be “the lost colony” or i guess a visitor’s sign
“diminished” could be “shrunk” or “close” (an exit) “coast”
all that stuff is in the museum (armor, struts and stuff)
robin was exiled to Sherwood….exiled=cast “out”……driven “out”,  turn “out”……….outside the gardens i think, or outer banks?
“court” can mean “square” or “bench” (the erstwhile high-honored court was now much diminished ()
the image looks like chief wingina but i guess it could be the boat (lost colony)
oh, the “pedestal” at the bottom could mean “base”, like the “lost colony” fort
“haven in the west”———-haven can be shelter, pier, dock, harbor
just wanted to throw out these thoughts, maybe they will help when you are there
seems there was something about well known paths…
the bells (albert bell, skipper bell? built the theater) and keys (the outer banks) are a mystery, but maybe you’ll see something and maybe it’s really “tiny”
maybe the bell clonker is a gravestone
http://history.howstuffworks.com/americ … colony.htm
can’t wait to see your pictures!  and your thoughts!
thanks for keeping us involved!

slappybuns

“right gladly” and “right swiftly” could be the wright brothers

Yep, I thought the same. Re: “In December”, someone recently pointed out that December 17 is Wright Brothers Day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_Brothers_Day
(This could also be another confirmer for the Gazebo at No. 17 on the map if the same numbering was in use then.)

i haven’t really gone back and looked at everything from the map or the threads
i found it strange that court could mean square, and just found out circle could mean amphitheater ……..and crown and belt and girdle and bell shaped (her dress) (same as garter?) : (
i was hoping it was like after the gardens and after the theatre………
the gazebo would be a good shelter, wonder if it was new in 1980  (the book said new haven)
and then the word “seen”…could be “scene”……….i know most of this is rehashing, but wanna keep it fresh for thedomino

slappybuns

wonder if it was new in 1980  (the book said new haven)

Unknown

Unknown:
and then the word “seen”…could be “scene”

Yep, constructed April 1981.
http://www.elizabethangardens.org/detailedhistory.pdf
I’d like to get hold of a copy of the script. (Apparently Fletcher’s line on the entrance plaque about “From this hallowed ground they walked away through the dark forest” is in the play, so the path could actually lead away from the stage for all we know. I doubt it, but who knows what clues are hiding in there. Something standing in the 1st scene maybe.)
Under that
Which may be last touched
Or first seen standing
Did I mention “that” + last “touch” = “thatch” (Gazebo has a thatched roof), first seen standing before it’s cut…?
OK, that’s a bit of a stretch. 😉
You previously suggested a shoe, and I think the intro mentions cobblers, who use a “last” – so it would fit “last touched” also.

lol, i don’t remember talking about a shoe, but that doesn’t mean i didn’t :/ ………but that’s funny for some reason, i keep thinking of sole and soul, and it had something to do with “dream” but can’t remember what i was thinking about

This article gives a date of 1930.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic … id=googlep
Although I do not know if it was when they were dedicated at the Fort or in Manteo.
Edit:
Visit the Fort Raleigh National Historic Site
Fort Raleigh National Historic Site, located on Roanoke Island, was designated as a National Historic Site in 1941. Situated on more than 500 acres, this location offers a sound side beach, the Fort Raleigh Visitor Center and nature trails. The Visitor Center is home to a small museum with interpretive exhibits, and this site is a must-see for American history enthusiasts. Self-guided tours or tours led by knowledgeable National Park Service staff are available. The Site is open year-round from 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., seven days a week (hours are extended during the summer months.) For more information, contact Fort Raleigh National Historic Site at (252) 473-5772.
transferred to NPS after 1941….
Edit 2:
Administrative history
The National Historic Site was established on April 5, 1941. As with all historic areas administered by the National Park Service, the site was listed on the National Register of Historic Places on October 15, 1966. Fort Raleigh is co-managed with two other Outer Banks parks, Wright Brothers National Memorial and Cape Hatteras National Seashore, and is the location of the group headquarters.
Final edit:
http://www.cr.nps.gov/history/online_bo … /hh16i.htm
Confirmed 1941 transferred to NPS.

Thanks trohn – this make it highly unlikely that this is our column. I was hoping that it was still there in 1981.
But just for completeness’ sake, can you (or anyone) find a photo of one of these memorial columns so we can rule it out?

I was leafing through the
Roanoke Island Guidebook
today looking for inspiration on P3. The book contains a walking tour of Manteo, the largest town on the island. Most of the stops on the walking tour are accompanied by photographs, but not stop #34:
Memorial Gateway Pillars
Queen Elizabeth Street
These pillars commemorating the site of the first English settlement in America were originally located at Old Fort Raleigh. They were moved to the downtown area when Fort Raleigh was transferred to the hands of the National Park Service.
Since the suit of armor is sitting on a pedestal or pillar of some sort, I thought it might be interesting to see if they match, but I can’t seem to find photographs of the Memorial Gateway Pillars anywhere. Who’s good at finding online images?
And when was Fort Raleigh transferred to the Park Service?

AmeliaElf and I were in Boston last year and spent a considerable amount of time looking for clues in the city. One of the places we checked out extensively was the Paul Revere Mall, as it somewhat resembles a “coliseum”… unfortunately, nothing in the surroundings seemed to match the picture. I have pictures of the Mall and other places in the North End somewhere, and I’ll try to post them.

If you find post your pictures,
please indicate if you looked at
“Training Field Park”.
Located between USS Constitution
Museum and Bunker Hill Cemetary,
across the street from a baseball field.
From the satellite image, it looks
vaguely similar to the middle plate
in the suit of armor.
There is a single monument in the center,
if what, I do not know.
Used to be space owned by MIT I think.
I do not knowwhere the Citgo sign sits
in relation to the park.

Trohn

“Two arms, two arms, the Brisitsh are coming.”

ahhh, very nice.  That is just like what BP would do.

Unknown

Unknown:
Here is the 900 lb bell in the courtyard as well as other info.  It isnt a dead ringer (groan) but it looks like the smaller bell hanging from the left arm.

ooops, sorry…forgot the link  http://www.paulreverehouse.org/theman/coppermill.html

The marker is located right at the head of the trail, which extends behind and to its left. If memory serves, the trail winds its way past the remains of Ft. Raleigh, and then one branch goes to the amphitheatre and another to the Hariot nature trail.

Hi everyone, I just started looking at hunts outside of dar.  This book and Image 3 really caught my eye.  I believe it goes with verse 11.  Has anyone figured out the lines:
“With two maps
After circle and square”
And I’m wondering….where exactly is that Virginia Dare stone marker located at fort raleigh, at the beginning of a trail?  If not, can you see a trail behind it?  I can’t find it on any map and all the photos I’ve seen are too close up to see surroundings.
Thanks!

Thank you, forest blight.  It sounds like it marks the trail beginning near the visitor’s center, then?  Appreciate your input as I have never been there.  Someday I hope to go…

Yes, it’s at the edge of the woods behind the visitor’s center.

Unknown

Unknown:
Here’s where the stretch comes in, but it’s not a huge one. Look at the hands. The one on the right seems to be shaping the number “9” with his thumb and ring finger. THe left hand, using the first, middle and ring fingers, makes a black “3”. “93”
Look at the wall to the far left and far right above the floor molding. The cracks suggest a “4” on the left and a “5” on the right. “45”

Whoa!  Bwayjace, I think I inadvertently ripped off your theory.  I didn’t even bother to read through the last few posts before I wrote that.  On the other hand, it may confirm that I am not crazy and seeing numbers everywhere.

The coordinates for Boston are 42 x 71.
Fooling around with the numbers 39 and 75:
Philadelphia:  39 or 40  x 75
St. Louis:  39 or 38  x 90
Cape Hatteras, N.C. :  35 x 75
Bwayjace’s suggestions may of course be correct, but I doubt that a number would be split up on the wall (ie, the “45”).  The hands are a different story.  I actually thought the hand on the left was signaling the number “3,” but I do see the possible “9” there.
By the way, there’s a round object to the right of the spoon.  It’s too faint to make out what it is, so it’s probably the shape that is important.

I’ve been putting off posting these ideas because I wanted to tie them in better.  But, I think I better post them before I lose them…
The red-strap-thingies are somewhat similar to the piers in Boston harbor.  See this link for a pic:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=boston,+m … 3065&hl=en
.
The pedestal is pretty similar to the ones at the entrance to the Boston Public Garden:
http://nanosft.com/freedom/common/bgent1.jpg
.
The large bubble, with the flower in it, being supported by the long skinny arms looks kinda like a light post on the bridge at Boston Public Garden:
http://nanosft.com/freedom/common/bgbridge.jpg. 
Wish I had a better pic to show this, but in Image 3, the bubbles look like a perspective of the light posts on the bridge.
I think at best these are merely suggestive.  Certainly not definitive.  Perhaps someone who is familiar with that area could support, or shoot down, these ideas?

Wasn’t thinking of Canada.  Good call.  I do have relatives in Ontario, just in case we need them.

I am in buffalo… so IF we can get more specific…I can check out niagara falls anytime…though it is starting to snow today….

the utah image i am seeing is the central floor tile on the lower right side of the pic. it is the largest floor tile on that side and is shaped exactly like utah … blow up the pic and you will see it… the tile has a curved line going thru the upper right corner of it to create the utah shape… might be a coincidence..but you never know….

Great ideas
shecrab
, especially the armor having airplane resemblances!
I can’t believe I never noticed that.
There are even struts under the arms and rivets that would be used in aluminum sheet construction of aircraft. His arms are also extended like someone would do if they were pretending to fly.
I always thought the armor suit had a lighthouse feel to it, with the round base and slender transition. But I never could find lighthouses in the coordinate area. With the Verse 5 match to the Wright Brothers National Memorial and the monument having a beacon installed on top, this theme makes sense now.

Shecrab I like your direction. Here is something to help you…. Sometimes the answer is right before you, you just have to look for it…Sonoran and I have solved this one and sonoran will post what you seek soon…..Be Patient

Yeah…I read what you posted!! LOL…
See? refutation leads to ideas…and ideas lead to, er, more ideas!!
Verse 5 could easily fit as well. And I don’t think there’s much wrong with it.
The “forest to the south” line bothers me a bit, though.
But the “weight and roots extended” is finally explained. That bothered me more.
I just thought of something else:….a “forest to the south” could be something other than TREES…it might be referring to a quarry—where the markers for the first flight airstrip were first cut. (the only ‘standing’ member?)
who knows…that’s why I like this puzzle so much.

The Secret is cryptic enough.  No need to add to the anticipation.  If you have it, post it!

I have been a lurker until now.  I feel that in the pictures a designated long \ lat number can always be made if there is one to be seen (mill walk  key). In this picture there seems to be numbers all over, however, for those that have the book if you turn the pic upside down in the red you willl see most clearly 40,84. which puts us along the lines of indianapolis,IN? OR maybe not just throwing out my finding.

Exfox….I once thought so too…in fact, I found several numbers, as you said. That was one location, but nothing else ever confirmed any of the Imagery. I really like this image for the Wright Brother’s location in Kill Devil Hills/Kitty Hawk area, and those numbers are also there.

forest_blight

But the gate doesn’t resemble the pic to me:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/stumilam2/The%20Secret/12.jpg
.

The gate really doesnt but that orangish fleshy looking object on right side of pic sure looks familiar.

Hey Slappy – re: the bench…
…I was flipping through the intro…
“Robin and the Pixies of Britain gave lessons in archery to the Catawba braves, who passed their skill in bowmanship along to the neighbouring Cherokee”
The archery stuff ties in with Fletcher, and the Chero
kee
jumped out at me.
Cherokee / Chair Key…?
Re: that which is last touched or first seen standing, maybe it’s “bottom”; last part you get to, first seen when you stand up. In other words, you’re sitting on it; it’s under a bench. Interesting to get a better shot of that one. (The overall image shows someone supported on stone, rather than on their legs.)
Seems to be this kind of general shape.

The symbol on the armors right side(our left) looks to me like the cross used by the knights templar. Another thing that suprized me is that I saw no mention to the fact that the face of the armor is not human, but looks more like that of a bull, sugesting a minatour? I am interested if any one has thoughts on the symbol on the left shoulder(our right) which also apears as a clasp? on his chest. As a final thought my feeling is this is the canadian treasure. though I am lacking confirmers as of yet, it is just a gut instinct. The only thing I have so far to suggest this may be true is that this image is the only one to extend outside its borders. intersting eh? 1 treasure outside the U.S. 1 image outside its borders?

Hey Oregonian, that was a keen spotting….how did you find that info out…just curious

decibalnyc

Hey Oregonian, that was a keen spotting….how did you find that info out…just curious

After extensive research, I determined the true secret behind
The Secret
: Byron Preiss was actually moonlighting as a traveling salesman for a sundial company!
No, it was actually just a random bit of déjà vu when I was browsing through some photo collections on Flickr.

I found a surprising architectural term paralleling the insight I had about the window and the life saving station lookout which closely resembles a scarecrow’s armature.  It’s uncanny that these under supports to a cornice are also called “strong arms”.

Dan’s high res pics have really brought this image to life.  BTW, I believe this is really image 2 in the book, although we are calling it image 3.
Near the bottom right of the picture is a spoon with a pea in it.  I bet this is an actual work of art somewhere.  Time to do some searching……….
On the body of the armor appears to be an outline of something which has a hole on the right side.  Can’t think of what this is, though.  My guess is that this pic has a lot of imagery reflecting the location of the casque, just like the Grant Park picture.  Notice the symbols on the armor body and arms, and the different left and right armor on the body (one has “stonework” and one doesn’t).  Even the mouth has different left and right symbols on it.
Now for the delusional stuff.
Take a look at the hands.  The fingers seem to be indicating something.  The hand on the left side has its fingers showing the actual number 3 sideways (ignoring the finger not in the picture frame).  The fingers on the right hand look like “P” and then a sideways “v”.  There are other possibilities too depending on which way you tilt your head, and how much coffee is in your system.

Unknown

Unknown:
Take a look at the hands.  The fingers seem to be indicating something.

So, don’t any of you lot speak American Sign Language?  Anyone?
Shawn

Really? How can you guarantee that? I disagree, and I think it would be a mistake to be so dismissive.
This is what I think happened.
John Jude Palencar is not going to waste his time painting areas of the picture that are not going to go in the book. It looks like what has been cut out is about an inch on each side, and some part of the bottom of the painting, which is significant. All of the paintings had to be shrunk down to book size to fit in the book. However, when this one was shrunk down, I believe that BP must have thought that many of the important clues, such as the faint and small clues near the bottom, were too difficult to see. So, the painting had to be made bigger, and the edges had to be sacrificed. He could not sacrifice the fingers, since they held a clue, and it would look bad to cut it off at the fingers, so that is why they go beyond the page. But the rest of the painting, on the left and right sides, and bit of the bottom (and maybe the top), had to be sacrificed.
Now, I am guessing that since there are clues everywhere in the painting, there are probably at least a couple of clues that were cut out. Sure, most of the clues are still there, but I don’t think all of them are. It certainly would be interesting to try and find out, if anyone can enhance the image. It certainly doesn’t hurt to try.

https://youtu.be/Z-GZWpb-ojQ
If you go to the 0:51 mark on this clip, you will see Image 3 in its original form, as drawn by John Jude Palencar.
It is bigger than what is in the book! The hands in the book go outside the page border, but in the painting, there is much more to it, since the hands are within the painting. So, there may be clues in the original painting that are not in the book.
Can anyone enhance this image?
Thanks.

bumping this thread up with all of the discussion of V11.
This, I believe, was introduced long ago as possibly being the “cross” on our “knights” armor so I thought I would bump it as well.
it is a stone marker memorializing the lost colony.

2 quick notes just looking at the pic……
the letters the figure forms are o, and q…….(in asl)
why does the face for the armor look like it fits a lion, tiger or some other animal instead of a human……just jumped out there…..
it so looks like boston to me, (the baseball symbol is there, which could mean red sox…like 29 other cities…..but I remember the chicago pic had a chicago bears symbol in it……
anyway…im ramble on more later….