drunknerds

I’ve read all the threads in all the messageboards, and I’ve never seen anything I really liked. Maybe I missed something though, maybe someone can share a good theory.

May seem silly, but when I think bubbles… I think children playing. Could both of these casques be buried in the vicinity of a playground?

I have to agree here also.  Out of the kindness of his heart, he confirmed for us a couple of city-locations.  And I thank you Mr. P for those.  At the rate we were going with questions, we might as well have asked him “Can you hold my hand, lead me to a casque (I have no idea where it is) and dig it up for me as I sip a lemonade.”
One thing I would like to ask him, but am now quite leary, is if he could only garauntee that all of the sites (no matter where they are) are still accessable and not removed or covered over with renovations.  Maybe he will lurk on this board and answer this query in time.

but what would you do if his answer to your question was
he couldn’t guarantee that because he knew there have been changes….
Would you give up  the entire hunt?
or expect him to tell you which are missing?
Then what happens if one of these missing casques actually turns up?….
no, half the fun of this is not knowing…

oh NO, i definitely would not give up the hunt.  I’m just speculating here….let’s say a casque’s site (in Detroit..made up locale, just a big city) has since been covered over by a highway, skyscraper, etc..and has no possible way of being retrieved..period!  If this were the case, wouldnt it be nice to know the Detroit P/V so that those could be crossed off the list?  It sure would aide in finding the rest & I personally think old BP is getting a kick out of the renewed interest.
Of course, that’s just my opinion……

hey guys,
i had read on here somewhere that a few of you contacted Byron Priess and he had confirmed locations for you, i reemmber Huston being one of them.  Well i emailed hgim and asked if Boston contained a casque, and he wouldnt confirm anything.  he said:  “no.i cannot confirm anything. i can only reply to pictures of the casques.”  so did he really confirm to you that there is one in Huston? because if he did, then thats pretty crappy that he wont confirm or deny to me that there is one in Boston. let me know

loph, I think, and this is only my opinion, that we burnt BP out with questions.
This is the second to last email I got from him:
“there is a treasure in houston. that’s all i can tell you
.”
This is the last email I received from him:
“really, i don’t think i can answer any more questions.
.”
wilhouse

yah, sounds like we might have burned him out.

This is a good idea. Any member close enough to the area should talk to the park service. It looks like we are going to need their permission and help to find this one. Also show them the image and verse maybe they can point us in the right direction. Also ask about ground penetrating radar. If an afordable non-invasive form of ground penetrating radar can be obtained it would be very helpful in finding the Houston and Milwaukee casque and maybe San Fransisco too.
If we either find this casque or can confirm the location the Image 11 is definately the Canadian casque. The thing that seems strange is that for the verses that look as though they go to this image talks about getting permission to dig out.
This means we either have the wrong verse for charlston or the wrong location for this verse. These are all things the park service can help us with. Better show them both the verse we think goes with this and the one we think goes to Charlston. An inperson visit will likely get us the best results.

True, entirely possible.

Nice find falcon, I would say that the pedestal part of thoes entrance columns are a very good match to the pedestal of our metal man.  Now we just need to find the cylindrical part that he is standing on.

This is a very old photograph. Those columns are not there anymore, and I doubt they were there in 1981.

This could well be true,
but on the other hand, is it not possible, when BP brought home photos and info and maps to be worked into the images, that he brought home a postcard….

Except that the image is pointing to the Left  OUTSIDE the image border…
which may imply outside the park confines or outside the gate…

The northern path leading to the Water Gate is lined with spoon yucca.
Of course, so is my yard, as well as my neighbors, and many of the beaches here in NC.

Then inside the gates it is

Egbert

Really? How can you guarantee that? I disagree, and I think it would be a mistake to be so dismissive.
This is what I think happened.
John Jude Palencar is not going to waste his time painting areas of the picture that are not going to go in the book. It looks like what has been cut out is about an inch on each side, and some part of the bottom of the painting, which is significant. All of the paintings had to be shrunk down to book size to fit in the book. However, when this one was shrunk down, I believe that BP must have thought that many of the important clues, such as the faint and small clues near the bottom, were too difficult to see. So, the painting had to be made bigger, and the edges had to be sacrificed. He could not sacrifice the fingers, since they held a clue, and it would look bad to cut it off at the fingers, so that is why they go beyond the page. But the rest of the painting, on the left and right sides, and bit of the bottom (and maybe the top), had to be sacrificed.
Now, I am guessing that since there are clues everywhere in the painting, there are probably at least a couple of clues that were cut out. Sure, most of the clues are still there, but I don’t think all of them are. It certainly would be interesting to try and find out, if anyone can enhance the image. It certainly doesn’t hurt to try.

BP would certainly have had final approval on the published version of the artwork in the book. He employed JJP, not the other way around, and if I remember correctly, it was JJP’s first published commission. I think it extremely unlikely that BP would have allowed clues to be lost when the image was cropped. If needed, he probably would have had JJP “move” the clues being cropped out by adding them further in toward the center of the painting.

You’re making a lot of assumptions about the author, and the puzzle.

Sorry, I just do not understand this logic. Okay, I guess if someone does not want to bother trying to look for additional clues in a new piece of Image 3 that was just uncovered, that is his or her prerogative. I will keep trying though.

What I like here is that the little goblin is proudly bearing the bubble-flower over it’s head. This echoes the Litany of the Jewels nicely and helps lead us to a situation where we deal with overhead things or find another example of being proud or keeping some thing protected from danger by holding up off the ground. One word that conveys “lifting up” and “safety” is the word “bouy”- to raise up, or to warn or mark something in a water zone.

Wow, I LIVE IN EAU CLAIRE WISCONSIN!  Wouldn’t that be nice!  Got some casques of my own to bury down here.  13 in total!
http://etrayu.tripod.com 

More on the “cemetary” idea. There is a “trail of death” in Fulton county Indiana. This begins in Twin Lakes, north of Rochester, and travels for 600+ miles through Illinois and Missouri, etc….it’s a trail that was traveled by Potawatamie Indian Tribes when they were being “relocated” (i.e., removed) by the US Governement in 1836. They have just finished installing hundreds of markers along this trail.
It’s also a place where the Freedom Trails, (aka Underground Railroad) used several stops. And it’s the world’s “round barn” capital.
I don’t know if any of this is helpful, but it was certainly interesting.
BTW, I doubt the casque is or was near Eau Claire–that is merely the largest and most notable city near one set of the coordinates. I figured with one in Milwaukee, it would be unlikely there was one in Eau Claire as well. But that’s just MY opinion.
ck

Numbers: They are in the “skirt” of the figure….turn the page upside down and look at the red part just to the right and left of the garnet.
I saw the “75” on the lower right corner, and there are 5’s all over the page–oddly–but as I perused this image, I found a bunch more as well.  The 41-86 is the only one that made any sense. The rest lead to places that are not likely candidates for a burial. (One in the middle of a lake).
On the floor on either side of the podium there is a four on the left, a five on the right–that four could also be a 9. That coordinate leads to a place near Adirondack Park on the border of NY/Canada. The 91 on the figure’s right hand (fingers) paired with the 45 on the floor leads to a very remote place near Eau Claire Wisconsin, and if you leave the page upright and use the “skirt” figures that way, you get 48 on the left side–pair that up with the floor numbers as 95 and you get Red Lake Minnesota. If you use 48 from the skirt, and look at the RIGHT side of it, you can maybe see 116 and that will lead to a “middle-of-nowhere” place somewhere near Coeur d’Alene Idaho.  There were also possibilities for the numbers 74 and 55 and 79, and even 114 made from various ways of looking at the numbers I’ve already mentioned.
Then I used Ms Photo Editor and lightened the picture by raising the gamma–and that’s when I discovered that the 41 and 86 were really 41 and 86 and the other numbers probably just tricks of the coloring or shadow. So I concentrated on those, even though they didn’t look promising to me. That’s when I found the “courthouse” cross–on the Rochester IN page. I also found that most of the town is undergoing serious renovation–excavation–and digging of its own. We may have truly lost this casque to progress.
The roads around the town look like the cracks on the lower right side of the image, too. And on the left, down by the baseboard molding, there is a crack that looks like a cross on a hilly landscape–I’m wondering about that being near a cemetary, or near a monument. The cracks are odd. I’ve tried to fit something in the picture to the shape of Lake Manitou, near Rochester, but haven’t had much luck. The only thing that fits (oddly enough) is that area on the armor that looks sort of like a capital E, on the figure’s left breastplate. The bottom of Lake Manitou looks similiar. I don’t hold much hope for it being a map match, though, but there might be other matches that aren’t the lake. The lake has the biggest public park, however.
Also, several of the armor’s parts look like map symbols for bridges. I’m wondering about that too. I had no time last night to research any of this, so I thought I’d throw it out for others to check out.
I’m not far at all from Rochester and could make a day trip any time.
ck

forest_blight

I think Trohn is drawing your attention to the fact that we already have a forum topic for Image 3, so there is no need to add yet another forum topic to the proliferation of forum topics. We’ve been trying to minimize the number of new topics to keep the forum manageable.

Oh, sorry.
c

For reference, here’s a comparison of the printed version with the original (using a still posted
here
by James Renner). It is kind of interesting; always thought that was a weird shape to the left of the imp.

Has our knight’s pedestal been compared to Ms Dare’s…?
Astronomical trivia: sculpted in 1859, date of the most powerful
solar storm
in recorded history.
Floral trivia: carnation is from coronation, and the Elizabethan Gardens were founded on a date chosen to mark the anniversary of the coronation of Elizabeth II.
“In England, the erstwhile high-honoured court of the Fairy Queen was now much diminished. Her Majesty, Mab Herself…”
(Wonder if
Mab
holds any clues.)

I was playing around with this image to see if I could get something that might give a clue to a location near the water gate. If you chop it about like this, several parts seem to line up quite well. Coincidence…?
Might expect to find some kind of Nixon/Watergate tie-in somewhere.
First seen standing might be “gait”.

We’ll be doing a new trip out there in the next month to get some picks and new perspective. There are some paths just outside the gardens, I went there hunting another time for another puzzle (another story). Anyway, the camera will be ready and the notebook close at hand. We’ll jet around and over to Jockey Ridge and the WB Memorial across the way to get a perspective from there as well.
Then, on to SC another weekend. (I have done 3 trips there “looking”).
Cheers and Happy Hunting.
Domino

TheDomino

We’ll be doing a new trip out there in the next month to get some picks and new perspective. There are some paths just outside the gardens, I went there hunting another time for another puzzle (another story). Anyway, the camera will be ready and the notebook close at hand. We’ll jet around and over to Jockey Ridge and the WB Memorial across the way to get a perspective from there as well. Then, on to SC another weekend. (I have done 3 trips there “looking”).

I’d appreciate any pictures of gates and gazebos.
Are you planning a trip to Charleston…? Let us know before you go. I’m hoping to get someone to snoop round Stella Maris, take some pics, dig up some paths, etc.
http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/h … 28#p112328

erexere

So where is this armored and red soaked fabric stuffed scarecrow leading us?

To eat brains

drunknerds

To eat brains

Lol, ain’t that the truth.

Unknown

Unknown:
Still wish he would’ve shown a little more initiative in tracking down those missing solves

The list of things that are often repeated, but I think are mostly nonsense is pretty long, but the “missing solves” is near the top of that list. It’s not that he couldn’t be involved because, you know, he forgot where he buried these things. It’s that he didn’t want to be involved. Hardly any upside, and way too much downside for a busy guy who had moved on at least 15 years before people started looking again.

Euhirudinea

The list of things that are often repeated, but I think are mostly nonsense is pretty long, but the “missing solves” is near the top of that list. It’s not that he couldn’t be involved because, you know, he forgot where he buried these things. It’s that he didn’t want to be involved. Hardly any upside, and way too much downside for a busy guy who had moved on at least 15 years before people started looking again.

GReat point. And even so, I’d be totally fine with it if losing the solutions didn’t ensure him possession of $10,000 worth of jewels. Just find the solves, get a personal assistant to do everything else: start giving out heavy clues and responding to inquiries and mailing out prizes… Within a month he’d probably never have to hear about it again.

Unknown

Unknown:
Within a month he’d probably never have to hear about it again.

Or, just do what he did, and keep the jewels. And lest you think that I think it was all about the money, my way let him keep the integrity of the puzzle intact, which was probably more important to him. People can choose to believe whatever they want DN, but I believe that if anyone had come to him in the early days of the revival with a complete solve, he would have given them the same help he gave the Chicago group. When that didn’t happen, he washed his hands of it…again.

catherwood

(glad to have the forum back online)
Where you say the symbol on the right shoulder is “soda” I would disagree. Yours has straight lines (like II or 11 as you said), but the armor has outwardly bending lines. I remember someone pointing out a long time ago that a map icon meaning “bridge” was a closer match (try a google image search using “map symbol bridge” terms). Maybe it could mean footpath somewhere as well.

Q4T went down and I thought it was a dream… “but it wasn’t a dream, it was a place, and you, and you, and you, and you were there… and I remember that some of it wasn’t very nice, but mostly it was beautiful. But just the same, all I kept saying to everybody was, I want to go home… oh Auntie Em, there’s no place like home!”

So where is this armored and red soaked fabric stuffed scarecrow leading us?

I want to offer up this image as linking to Boston
(can not see the image by the window as others do)
-two arms (a prominent feature)
-the red skirt
-the pea spoon
-the general bell tower design
-and the photo below of the pedistal
Paul Revere Mall (next to the old North Church)
and also next to Paul Revere’s House
(feel at home)

Trohn

-two arms (a prominent feature)

Ok, a nice tie in with George III and Boston for this P.  Many portraits of George III show him as so…..w/ the crest of the Order of the Garter Star emblazoned on his breast.
confused trohn, how do 2 arms tie into the Boston idea.

“Two arms, two arms, the Brisitsh are coming.”
Paul Revere Mall is all bricks, no nice green grass
to defile.
The verse on “with metal walls” always seemed
redundant to me, until I saw where
“Old Ironside” has been parked.

Thanks 2fast, that was exactly what I wanted.  And while I don’t have anything to match them up to right now, I do have to say that now that they are mirrored they look more like real suits of armor.
Thanks again.
digger7

its not there cause it very specifically does not fit the clues lol…you do go through it. but the treasure is not there. the verse very clearly says circle then square not square then circle, so its not even debatable as far as I’m concerned.

Unknown

Unknown:
Cat,
thats a good connection between the island and that design.  but i still think image 3 points to Boston.  All the metal thats in the picture, the “crucifiction” pose of the armor, and the metal bells point to Paul Revere (he was a blaksmith) and the church theme of his freedom ride at midnight.
NOTE:  anyone please post any ideas you ahve about this pic being boston going along with verse 3

You’re all probably tired of my naysaying, but I don’t recall any “symbolic” clues in the centaur or castle pictures; just straightforward (although disguised) representations of things found in the neighborhood of the casques.  And Revere was a silversmith, not a blacksmith.

Here is the 900 lb bell in the courtyard as well as other info.  It isnt a dead ringer (groan) but it looks like the smaller bell hanging from the left arm.

blacksmith, silversmith….its all the same to m
.   Anyway, the whole picture screams “metal worker”, and thats what Revere was.  also, theres a huge bell that he made sitting in the courtyard of his house. not quite sure what that little “bat” looking critter is hanging off the left (our left) wrist off the armor.  also, on the left side of the pic, theres two bubbles and one bell.  on the right side, theres 2 bells and one bubble.  whats that all mean???

Yes, he made bells, cannon balls, some of the metal supports that are in the USS Constitution were made by Revere.  Also, look at whats hanging from the two bells on the right side.  What looks to be a cannon ball, and what looks to be a tea bag.  Boston tea party anyone???  So by now, you should be 100 percent convinced this is the pic for Boston.

things keep popping back into my mind:
-the “celtic” symbols as some people have talked about……..the BOSTON Celtics
?
just more evidence pointing to boston

just to confuse things….
I was looking for the archway on behind the suit of armour.
I thought it might be a window in a famous boston church.
but I looked and looked and couldn’t find one – almost all the ones I found in boston are semi circular arches – not pointed like the one in the picture.
But I did find a dead ringer for the arch – unfortunately its on the brooklyn bridge…

and to continue that thought
the thing on his right wrist, always looked like a planetarium projector to me.
The most famous one I know of is the Zeiss projector
at the hayden planetarium in New York.
The statue of liberty face always seemed to obvious in pic 12 for it to be New York, the author likes red herrings i.e.,
the Congress reference in the chicago verse.
but thats just me…

The teabag is interesting.  I never saw that as a teabag before, but it could be.  Any idea what the bell looks like which is at Paul Revere’s house?  My guess is that those bells match something in real life.

At the risk of sounding like an idiot, does anyone see the 75 formed by the cracks in the wall on the lower right (EDIT: to the right of the spoon in big numbers)?  I noticed this about a month ago and haven’t been able to “unsee” it since.
I also like the idea that the hands are forming a 3 (left) and 9 (right) which caused me to do some checking into Philadelphia over the past few weeks.
For you Boston fans out there, Paul Revere frequently made rides to New York and Philadelphia from Boston, most notably regarding the Continental Congress.
Philadelphia is full of statuary and the there are some comprehensive sites online:
http://fpaa.org/
(virtually map of major statuary and information)
http://www.philart.net/
(even more listings of public art)
I’ll spare you some tenuous connections unless this discussion appears fruitful, but there is one interesting thing that might be there.
I always felt strongly that there would be a statue or fountain corresponding to the dancing woman figure holding up the bubble/orb thing.  An exhaustive search turned up this:
http://www.askart.com/artist/F/beatrice … p?ID=41220
As far as I can tell, the picture on this page is of another one of her works, but it appears more similar than anything else I’ve been able to find.  Fairmont Park has a statue of Beatrice Fenton’s called “Nereid” and I have not been able to find any picture of it.  But the descriptions I have read sound quite similar to this — a dancing figure emerging from water with some sort of ocean creatures beneath her.
Does anyone live in the area that has actually seen this?
Also, she has another piece named “Fairy Fountain” located in Wister Woods Park, which is a ways north from the Fairmont Park, Philadelphia area.
Just some food for thought.
>>>Dan

here I am in Minneapolis MN,
and in the sculpture garden outside of town is a sculpture called the spoon bridge
http://www.zvan.net/photogs/assignspoonbridge.html
is this a common sculpure? This one was placed in minneapolis in 1988 but I don’t know when it was created or where it was before that.

Here’s a link to the artists’ webpage:
http://www.oldenburgvanbruggen.com/

the sculpture is dated 88
so it couldn’t possibly be involved in the hunt.
too bad

In the earlier part of this thread, you’ll see a thorough discussion of Minneapolis, and then a realization that the spoon sculpture came AFTER the book.

True my ppint was its not a unique image
the sculpture here in Minneapolis and the image in the painting
my question originally was are there other instances of this image around?
Then I got caught up in the dates of the one here
I new it was installed in 88 but that didn’t necessarily mean that is when it was created -turns out it was though.

maybe we should try to contact the artist and see if there was possibly another similar sculpture that inspired his creation.  It sure does look too close to the spoon in P3 to be mere coincidence.

did anyone notice the outline of Utah in the floor on the lower right side?? not sure if it means anything…

Sorry, I don’t see that “funny fish shape” being a match with Goat Island at Niagara Falls.  They just aren’t the same shape.
On another note, assuming that there is a 43 there (and I can see it), and assuming that a 79 can be found on the right hand (I can see that too), Toronto is a great fit for lattitude 43 longitude 79.  Looks like there are a TON of parks there.

I don’t see Utah, but I do see, on an ariel shot of Niagara, what I think is Goat island and it looks like the funny fish shape just above the 43 in my post above.
http://www.niagarafallslive.com/Attract … _Falls.htm
I need help.  Even if the help knocks Niagara out of the box.  But I have a gut feeling about this.  LOL
I saw that posted somewhere here before. Amazed if anyone here still has a gut, or a feeling.

Unknown

Unknown:
Take just a few steps into the forest from the beach, and the view of the “wing” is completely obstructed by the trees and other foliage.  Unless the casque is buried on the edge of the beach or on the beach itself, (which seems unlikely) you cannot see the “wing” from the “path that beckons,’ or from any other path in the Roanoke National Park maritime forrest.

That isn’t quite true. There are a few (3?) points along the Hariot Trail where one is still in the woods, but can look north and view the Memorial. Here is one such place that provides an unobstructed view:

Cool theory!
What about Lockheed (lock-keyed)? Nyuk nyuk.

Shecrab: if you like the idea of the Wright Brothers location in Kill Devil Hills, its intresting to note that there is another connection to Baum, just west of Wright Brothers National Memorial : Baum Bay Drive is just off the end of runway 02 at First Flight Airport, and connects with Collington Road, which actually traverses the eastern end of the National Memorial.  Thus, one could ” ride the man of oz” on Baum Bay Drive, and also “look north at the wing”, which is  in fact to the north, and very close by.  Also , the view of the “wing”  from Baum Bay Drive, would be unobstructed, unlike the view from the “dark forrest” in the National Park on Roanoke Island. In my opinion, to “look north at the “wing” from Roanoke Island means you have to be on the beach….  Take just a few steps into the forest from the beach, and the view of the “wing” is completely obstructed by the trees and other foliage.  Unless the casque is buried on the edge of the beach or on the beach itself, (which seems unlikely) you cannot see the “wing” from the “path that beckons,’ or from any other path in the Roanoke National Park maritime forrest.   If the casque is on Roanoke Island in the National Park, then the “path that beckons” takes you to whatever it is that can be last touched or first seen standing.  The next part of the verse then directs you to look north at the wing.(provided you have discovered what can be last touched or first seen standing)  My point is that  you cannot look north at the wing from any path
unless
you have reached it’s terminus where it connects with the beach.

I think we need to send soemone to dig…and maybe to do more photos. There is an extensive photo collection on line of Kill Devil Hills, but it’s almost all the beach.
http://www.outerbanks.com/wrightbrothers/
And there are some good pics of the memorial as well.
I did notice that Baum Bay Drive thing! What a great pun, too—Baum Bay=Bomb bayI always thought that little studded ball on the armor’s right wrist looked like one of the underwater mines from WWII or a bomb of some sort.

Kato

Shecrab: if you like the idea of the Wright Brothers location in Kill Devil Hills, its intresting to note that there is another connection to Baum, just west of Wright Brothers National Memorial : Baum Bay Drive is just off the end of runway 02 at First Flight Airport, and connects with Collington Road, which actually traverses the eastern end of the National Memorial.  Thus, one could ” ride the man of oz” on Baum Bay Drive, and also “look north at the wing”, which is  in fact to the north, and very close by.  Also , the view of the “wing”  from Baum Bay Drive, would be unobstructed, unlike the view from the “dark forrest” in the National Park on Roanoke Island. In my opinion, to “look north at the “wing” from Roanoke Island means you have to be on the beach….  Take just a few steps into the forest from the beach, and the view of the “wing” is completely obstructed by the trees and other foliage.  Unless the casque is buried on the edge of the beach or on the beach itself, (which seems unlikely) you cannot see the “wing” from the “path that beckons,’ or from any other path in the Roanoke National Park maritime forrest.   If the casque is on Roanoke Island in the National Park, then the “path that beckons” takes you to whatever it is that can be last touched or first seen standing.  The next part of the verse then directs you to look north at the wing.(provided you have discovered what can be last touched or first seen standing)  My point is that  you cannot look north at the wing from any path
unless
you have reached it’s terminus where it connects with the beach.

Not only that, but the word “wing” is not metaphorical…it is actual. The memorial is carved with the image of a bird’s wing on each side:
The Wright Brothers National Memorial, in Kill Devil Hills, is carved on each side with the image of a bird’s wing, in towering recognition of the fact that birds provided much of the inspiration and knowledge needed for the development of manmade aircraft.

Anyone remember Ziggy? He’s a figure from the funny papers from the 70’s and 80’s.  He’s in the image right below the
key
on our left side. Big round head and big nose.  Looks like he’s sleeping.
Here’s a pictue:
http://www.comcast.net/providers/uClick … /ziggy.gif
Did a search for Ziggy in Niagara Falls, came up with Ziggy’s Restaurant on the Canadian side.
ps: bought a video from History Channel on Niagara Falls, the main gist, how man was afraid of nature and sought to control it.  Sound familiar.  If it’s not image 3, it has to be one of them.

I am in NC, I’m in Wilmington!
And I think it does
maybe not perfectly…but it has the sphere and then the square trunk.
I feel like after seeing how the location matched the pic for the Cleveland find
that there should be something specific in this image to show us where to go

This is a display of Elizabethian Armor inside the small museum within the Lindsay Warren Visitor Center at the Fort Raleigh National Historic Site.
This is a close up of the Halbred within that display.  Notice the curved knife-like component on the upper edge of the weapon.  It is strikingly similar to the object under the right wrist (left side of image) upon which the skeleton key is dangling.  Although it is
upside down
and the perspective is different, it is nearly an identical match to the Image 3 object.  It “jumped out” at me when I saw it, and I am convinced it is part of the Image, and a solid marker for the Roanoke Casque.  Any thoughts?

I thought I would go back and revisit this one for a bit since it has laid dormant for a while.  In both this thread and the V11 thread, I didn’t see any mention of this gate:
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/25 … 8999hOZqis
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fallingstar/718893104/
Doesn’t the tops look like the pedestal the suit of armor is sitting on to anyone else?  Here is my pathetic attempt to cut and paste for illustration purposes:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/15615105@N00/1404223323/
To the left is a plaque that has the saying mentioning the dark forest from V11.  I’m not sure where at in the gardens this is located, but might serve as a visual confirmer linking P3 to a specific park/area/garden/whatever.

This thread reminded me that i had run across these pictures when I was researching the Missouri Botanical Gardens. A couple of things really stood out for me:
One is the trio of angels–look at the one in the middle–and then look at the little figure on the left in the image, dangling from the carnation. The poses are very similiar.
The fountain angel is in the same pose as the suit of armor–and the pictures using the mirrored halves of the picture a few posts back–if you look at the one on the left, that armor “head” looks like a dog face. It’s interesting that the fountain angel has four dog heads surrounding her at the base. You can’t see them well in the picture, but if you look just below her feet you can see one of them. There’s something of a similiarity there, too.
I don’t know if this helps or hurts, but I found it interesting nonetheless.

My “Field Guide” entry for this image is The Rich Doctor. (Note the horns and the position of the saw, as if he’s about to amputate his legs.)
In terms of the Wizard of Oz, he’d be the
Tin Man
(who also had his limbs cut off).
Considering the English connection, the garb reminds me of Roman soldiers, with their red skirts.
Garnet and England seem well established. I was wondering about a “Q” in the first key – maybe a “U” in the second – to go with the Queen of the litany.
There’s also a tie-in with the Elf Alpha, who’s illustrated by a spoon.