Trohn

And the man on the horse is dressed exactly
as this photo of Sir Walter Raleigh’s half brother
who both had the same type of beard and
features… the style fits.

Thats a stretch in my opinion…  Seems more obvious to be
Ponce de Leon which ties directly into the Florida thoughts on this P.

Verse 11 needs an image and I am linking this image to
Roanoke Island… sight of the first English Settlement.
Also, the next Island over is called Palm Island.

Trohn – I think the case for linking V11 with P3 is iron-clad. Why is there still doubt over this?

I am skeptical,… but will let things play as they are.

I want to offer that Roanoke Island
is the exact shape of this image.

The
land near the window
:

And the man on the horse is dressed exactly
as this photo of Sir Walter Raleigh’s half brother
who both had the same type of beard and
features… the style fits.

Nice fit FB.

Upper left portion of the rock image,
nine o’clock in relation to the gem,
my wife sees a mother holding a child.
Any confirmation on this?

GoldenMartyr

A Treasure’s Trove is over though.

The more you post..the more everyone sees how small and vulnerable you are. When a child you behaved as a child. but now it is time to put your childhood away and become a man. Treasure Trove was your favorite childhood book mommy read to you. Let it go. Stop living in your fantasy world.
Byron Priess is an adult book for grown ups. Maybe you are not ready to really grasp the complexities of mature books quite yet. In time you may or may not understand your weaknesses, your inherent inefficiencies that control your childish impulses. Some believe time heals all wounds, goldenmartyr. i mean with a name like Martyr? it is all pretty cut and dried, don’t you think?
It is best you leave complex treasure hunting to adults. Your time may or may not come some day. People who believe they are persecuted (like you) tend to have warped views on reality necessitating scheduled medication not dissimilar to the program CHOICE is on. I sense you both might even be seeing the same professional. (lol)
So, let me be clear. This site is past its prime. The residual activity is nothing more than an endless boring comedy routine of wannabe intellectuals. NOT A SINGLE PUZZLE HAS BEEN SOLVED IN 16 FRICKIN YEARS…so much for the collective genius of a room full of clowns.

WilliamTater

People who believe they are persecuted (like you) tend to have warped views on reality necessitating scheduled medication not dissimilar to the program CHOICE is on

Hold on a minute, let’s not get too carried away here. There is no way that Choice is on medication or seeks help of any kind…

Okay…I surrender…you all win.

That’s right. Like Captain Kirk said: I NEED MY PAIN.
Damn it, Bones
, you’re a doctor. You know that pain and guilt can’t be taken away with a wave of a magic wand. They’re the things we carry with us, the things that make us who we are. If we lose them, we lose ourselves.

I can’t figure out the exactness of this marking on a tree at the FOY..

Here’s the negative..

Damn, you should have taken better pictures or invested in a new camera instead of hoping on that flight to Florida.

I believe it might mean 36 paces which is approximately 90 feet. There seems to be an exclamation point there also. As I have said before, it wouldn’t be surprising if BP marked a tree or two. My own observances indicate he did, and I took many more photos. The photo I posted is one that I downloaded from a page here at Q4T. The tree in question IS in the painting. But 12 years have passed and when I examined the living tree…it has weathered.

An author and arborist…awe-inspiring.

I believe this was taken in 2007.

WilliamTater

I believe this was taken in 2007.

A Treasure’s Trove is over though.

Not seeing it burnstyle. The photo is more indicative of a terra cotta planter but regardless i have reasons to believe the casque is buried behind the globe building. I do believe the paintings continue where the verse’ let off. I also believe the artist (at least on the FOY painting) repainted it several times with different clues. I found it interesting how the painting almost has been grey-washed. I think it originally was painted in colors.many artist sketch and then change and adapt from their original concept. I bet if you asked our artist he’d agree.
Happy Hunting

Unknown

Unknown:
many artist sketch and then change and adapt from their original concept.

No doubt. Which explains why so many people are keen to see the original paintings. It’s cheating, but only just a little.

Euhirudinea

No doubt. Which explains why so many people are keen to see the original paintings. It’s cheating, but only just a little.

It hasn’t helped anyone who has seen the originals at all. So far the only people I know who have seen them are Renner and gates. Both came up empty handed. Gates said they looked exactly like the book. But to be fair I doubt either of them would know what to look for as far as differences are concerned.
Aside from the random little piece of mtl kit posted I mean.
And palencar doesnt paint in a way which would allow anyone to see something under the paint, or in multiple layers or whatever…. without physically x-raying his paintings.
He DOES however, paint in a way which will allow you to see whatever you want to see, wherever you want to see it, if you try hard enough.

If there was only a place that the photos of the original paintings could be uploaded and shared with everyone…..

Unknown

Unknown:
Aside from the random little piece of mtl kit posted I mean.

Wait. What?

Euhirudinea

Wait. What?

Back in June, Kit Palencar posted on FaceBook a photo he took of a close up of a small section of the original Montreal painting. See below.
Probably the thing that most people remarked about it was how in the book printing, the color of the ‘gold square’ was very mustard-y when compared to the original – while here quite clearly ‘gold’ colored. And the original Fleur-de-lis, known since EXU of course.

Unknown

Unknown:
Back in June, Kit Palencar posted on FaceBook…

Thanks Kang.
Just to be clear, and only speaking for myself, I really don’t mind the private forums. I get that many people have found the lack of active moderation on this forum a deal breaker, and have sought other places to work the puzzle. What I do mind is the seemingly cavalier attitude toward information that should not be part of the hunt. The fact that it’s insider information, and the fact that it’s being shared privately is disturbing to those of us who continue to believe that this puzzle can still be solved fairly. And I find no consolation in the assurance by some that the information is really not helping at all.
I’ll get off my soapbox now, and with GM’s help, back onto my cross.

Euhirudinea

Thanks Kang.
Just to be clear, and only speaking for myself, I really don’t mind the private forums. I get that many people have found the lack of active moderation on this forum a deal breaker, and have sought other places to work the puzzle. What I do mind is the seemingly cavalier attitude toward information that should not be part of the hunt. The fact that it’s insider information, and the fact that it’s being shared privately is disturbing to those of us who continue to believe that this puzzle can still be solved fairly. And I find no consolation in the assurance by some that the information is really not helping at all.
I’ll get off my soapbox now, and with GM’s help, back onto my cross.

It wasn’t really shared privately – I saw this in one of the many pretty much public secret related facebook groups where as far as I know there is no restriction on joining. That said, Facebook sucks in general and for sharing information like this, and this post of info is one of the few things I’ve seen shared that have any value at all

The other thing is, we should probably create our own real wiki where we can aggregate data or at least photos as this forum isn’t great for that either and the wiki is restricted to editing.

dosethree

The other thing is, we should probably create our own real wiki where we can aggregate data or at least photos as this forum isn’t great for that either and the wiki is restricted to editing.

Ill donate hosting and a domain if anyone wants to take on this task.

burnstyle

Ill donate hosting and a domain if anyone wants to take on this task.

Sounds like a big team effort would be needed to pull that off. I would help as much as I can, if needed.

maltedfalcon

I don’t remember that picket fence by the exit  being there about 5 years ago. Is that new?

I dunno, but it was there when the goose pond was there… there’s some pictures a family took during a trip at both locations. When did the pond disappear?

erexere

Why not consider rock formations in Pyramid Lake, NV?  Are you asking what specifically makes this rock formation in Corbett, OR a better fit than any other similar looking geologic?

Yes, that was my reason. I think the St. Augustine theory has a lot more support. “The first chapter” written on the gatepost, “men with wind rose”
literally
just inside the main building of the park, “Shell, limestone, silver, salt” talked about on the signs posted on the grounds, SELOY, etc… V9 is almost indisputably tied to St. Augustine, and it must go with one of the images. P6 seems to go with it the best.

Lane
Joseph Lane
Two twenty two
Historic Highway No. 2, Exit 22
You’ll see an arc of lights
Crown Point’s light array, as seen from Interstate-84
Weight and roots extended
Fifty-ton boulder on a triple step base of squares (square roots?)
Together saved the site
Preserved the view of…
Of granite walls
Wind swept halls
Citadel in the night
Crown Point Vista House
A wingless bird ascended
Born of ancient dreams of flight
Rooster Rock
Beneath the only standing member
Of a forest
A lone tree, well over 30 years old, still stands over the boulder
To the south
White stone closest
Stand on 3 foot tall rock (9 o’clock side of outer ring, match the face of boulder), look for Mt. Hood to the southeast as its
white peak
lines up over the northernmost stone which is connected to the sign board that reads “Portland Women’s Forum”
At twelve paces
From the west side
Walk twelve paces north (yes, from the west side of “white stone”), notice how position intersects the 9 o’clock ring stone.
Get permission
To dig out.
This is basically the same result that I came up with months ago, but I’ve repackaged it with a few small adjustments.  I really like the thematic reoccurring use of “2” whereas “Two twenty two”, “root” is typically the form of root-2.  This interests me in an important way because I have assumed that the “white stone” is an alignment of Mt. Hood’s white peak with a tall piece of basalt, but the white stone might also be referring to the rock in the image itself which looks like a little iceberg.  I’ve been convinced in a few ways that this is being used to symbolize Phoca Rock which is in the background down below in the middle of the Columbia River past the view of the Crown Point Vista House.  What makes this more compelling is that it is approximately at an angle of 2 o’clock based on 12 o’clock being North (the direction that Ponce and Horse are facing).  Phoca isn’t really white, which confuses me.  Phoca Rock is also known as Sentinel Rock and the point of putting Ponce on top of the mountain and the verse speaking of a citadel lend to the Sentinel interpretation.
Here is a map showing that Phoca is at the 2 o’clock position from the viewpoint:
Here is an overhead of the ring of stones and a 12 paces north from the west side of the stone nearest Phoca as white stone:
Here is my preferred version where Mt. Hood is the white stone and 12 paces north of the sign intersects a line between the boulder and the big tree:
Lastly, I like the Mt. Hood version most, because it incorporates the primary view of the boulder from standing on the 3′ ring stone at the 9 o’clock position which is used to find the right “white stone”, but I now realize I’ve omitted attention to what “closest” means.  The tall stone that makes up part of the sign isn’t closest, there is a ring stone at the 4 o’clock position which would take precedence, and so I would end up picking this spot:
Maybe this is a sloppy assumption, but it seems that I might preserve using the Mt. Hood alignment theory AND using the Phoca Rock idea as the new 12 pace estimate puts me at a spot just next to the 2 o’clock stone.  Another interesting notion as to why BP chose the 9 o’clock stone for his vantage point is that there are three squares acting as the roots of the Weight, 3 squared = 9.

go dig!

I’m chicken.  Now that I’ve had conversations with the park folks, Women’s Forum President, and the head Archaeologist for the Historic Columbia River area, I’m afraid I’ve exposed my contact info and might be held accountable for one of these crimes.  I am allowed to probe with a “screwdriver”…maybe I’ll go buy an really long one and see if I can pinpoint something hollow and fragile.

Egbert

Thanks for all your thoughts, GP.  Since some of your posts relate to verse 6, I copied and pasted them to the verse 6 thread, just to keep things organized.  Here is Image 6, btw:

I think the upside down area outlining the big rock is the back of the head, top of back, top front of tail of a rooster.

Falcon, if I could find a verse that leads me to the treasure better than verse 1 has done so far I’d be egs – static.
wilhouse

From what I understand, the Planetarium has been checked on one side already. Enough so to tell me that it’s not by the planetarium. Getting permission to dig in the FOY park seems too difficult to me. Probably never going to be found if it’s in there, but I have been known to be wrong… Saint Augustine is just soo much fun. The whole city feels like a treasure hunt, with or without the casque.

cobock1, there is someone on this board that worked there, and she could help if you have ideas. you’d have to read all the thread of image 6 to find out her name.  verse 9 and image 6.

Thanks EZ.
So, looking at the image 6 for the 1st time this week (started from the top) I noticed a millstone in the flag. This may be a play on word for “milestone”.
Spanish trail and their milestones end up in San Diego.
Lots of animals in the image points me to SD Zoo.
Balboa park, Florida canyon near the zoo.
Statue of El Cid in the park.
Long/Lat 117/32
https://tinyurl.com/ych3wybf
https://www.visitflorida.com/en-us/thin … trail.html
https://tinyurl.com/ydxvobdv

A lot of cliffs and “canyons” in Florida are there? Asks Yoda.
The garden area looks similar to the helmet shape. Lets go dig!
https://tinyurl.com/y82cyqll

Cormac

There has also been mention of the flag possibly representing the keys.

I do like this idea but I am still a firm believer that the jewel in this P represents good old Okeechobee

lol, there’s a bamboo thicket right in front of the ponce de leon statue!  ………tall grass
from bclews picture:
http://images35.fotki.com/v1172/fileBie … 0_9531.jpg

Unknown

Unknown:
By all means mattyL, keep the ideas coming.  But as shecrab stated, before you come out and say ‘you guys are so wrong’, perhaps you should try [yes, there is alot] to catch up with all of the hard work done here.  And also, please don’t take these posts as personal attacks.  Even us oldtimers have tossed out some very outrageous ideas.  I was very hardheaded  and convinced V1P2 lead to the Four Corner area.  I KNEW I was right but no one would listen.  Too bad someone noticed that the lines on the lion’s head looked kind of like  Charleston.

Sorry for the late reply—I’ve spent the last six days in the hospital with a back injury–better now, but still under treatment. If my reply seems vague or disjointed, blame the Percocet.
Fox says:
I must concur here. When I first began searching the hunt, I found so many “matches” with the Charleston picture and the Niagara Falls area that I actually had two people convinced to meet me there in the spring when the ground thawed–absolutely convinced Iknew exactly where to dig for it and everything. I had actually made travel arrangements. Sadly, my biggest supporter and partner died, and I decided at that time to read through the remaining posts I’d not yet read through, and that’s when I discovered that yes, though the matches to Niagara WERE valid enough, the ones to Charleston were VALIDER. (hahhahah…more
valid,
you know what I mean..!)
We do want to hear new ideas. But not ideas that will not fit BETTER than ideas we already have. So please don’t take offense at our sometimes bristly replies. I had the same sort of feeling at first, too. I think we all did.
Welcome to the hunt, and keep those ideas percolating. You never know what might pop out.

The size of the horse/pony in the P has been bugging me.  Could be the previously mentioned carousel pony, or it could be the Florida Cracker horses that were brought in by none other than Ponce de Leon himself.  These are smaller saddle horses – riding one would probably make you hike your feet up just like the image.
http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/horses/floridacracker/
http://www.imh.org/imh/bw/flcrack.html
His 2nd voyage landed on the gulf side of Florida between Charlotte Harbor and Estero Bay.  This is the voyage where he brought farmers, priests, etc.  Perhaps this is the time he brought the cracker horses.
In Punta Gorda (around the Charlotte Harbor area) is a public park for Ponce de Leon.  I haven’t been able to find many pictures of it though.
UPDATE – Estero Island/Estero Bay is also around Ft. Myer – which might have a nickname of Palm City (but I’m having a hard time verifying that with other websites).
Interesting – the small horse and possible relation to the 2nd voyage and the Palm reference…..

nodon

UPDATE – Estero Island/Estero Bay is also around Ft. Myer – which might have a nickname of Palm City (but I’m having a hard time verifying that with other websites).
Interesting – the small horse and possible relation to the 2nd voyage and the Palm reference…..

Ft. Myers is known as “The City of Palms.”  Estero is just south of here, about 10 minutes away.

fox

I find this interesting…..which supports our St Augustine idea (which seems pretty sound to me) even more..
this pic was titled “Gates into St Augustine” and am trying to locate where they are….

I’m pretty certain that’s at Castillo de San Marcos.  I saw this picture this morning on Wikipedia and it reminded me a bit of the white rock and tree in image 6:
Did some looking on flickr.com and found this:
What do y’all think about Castillo de San Marcos being the white rock in the image?  It looks like the FOY Nat’l Archaeological Park is maybe 1 mile north of it.

Jambone,
Great find! Keep looking!
AP

this is for Maltedfalcon, an iconic image that’s 2 hours away from Corbett…wow, talk about a treasure path radius.  I guess it’s more about pinpointing a state in this case.  Haystack Rock near Canon Beach.

WhiteRabbit

In the corner behind the cannon next to the railings

…wonder what this red square is, visible on Google…

WR, may I get a polished version of your FOY park theory?  I’ll need for disclosure in a meeting with the head of archaeology if they will decide to give me permission to dig in Oregon.  She is concerned about my having such a wildly different position where others have found evidence to support a St. Augustine solution.

erexere

She is concerned about my having such a wildly different position where others have found evidence to support a St. Augustine solution.

So are we!  😀
I’ll pull some notes together…

Thank you, take your time, and sorry it’s not in a helpful context to your theory, but should I find something or not, it just eliminates a possibility, which should be considered a wee bit helpful in the long run.  Send me a link to your PDF file or email
[email protected]
.

WhiteRabbit

…wonder what this red square is, visible on Google…

it’s pure possibility… that’s what that is

It looks like one of those standard signs you can get at the hardware store, with the red letters on a black background, that says “KEEP OUT” or “PRIVATE PROPERTY” or some such.

It says “dig here for casque.”

forest_blight

It says “dig here for casque.”

Ahh, Humor… thanks for visiting the boards… we haven’t seen you for a while.

Hi guys. I had long ago sent my ramblings to Mr. Fox but unfortunately, the files may have been too big. I am resurrecting my notes and I would like to offer a few of my thoughts as I review them again.
First, I would like to say that I have been convinced for some time that the little story about the fair folk holds many clues. That being said, I believe that picture 6 is pointing to Florida. This is why (from my old notes):
The most direct hint is on page 30. “For slow centuries, the exotic Dracs and Fadas from the Riviera had sported and dozed on the beaches of newfound Florida. Perhaps the metal-clashing landfall of the Conquistadors took them by surprise…”
Page 13 mentions the Dracs and Fadas “…amidst pink, long-legged birds and high, swaying palms.”
On page 22: “…to the southern shores, where the Iberian Hadas were greeted by the Timuca and Calusa.” I found information on these Native Americans – in Florida – on this website:
http://www.ancientnative.org/timucua.htm
and one thing I noted right away is that both tribes were situated in central Florida around Tampa Bay and inwards toward Orlando.
P 6 still leaning to somewhere in FL, the shape of the rock looks like FL with the gem representing lake Okeechobee  I think the rock is not meant to look like the shape of the state, but rather, represents a kind of rock that is found in central Florida called Karst. This type of rock erodes to produce some very interesting formations.
I have some excellent pictures of these karst formations and one even looks like the rock in the painting! Unfortunately, I am somewhat limited in my message-board skills and I do not know how to post an image. Do I have to host the image on my website and then post a link? Please advise.

SeaHag – I’m with you on the fair folk story. I made some notes on that myself at one point and remember looking up the locations of some of those Native American tribes.
And I think it was mentioned before but I can’t shake the feeling that St Augustine is the city we’re after in Florida. The history of places like Roanoke and St Augustine tie in really well with the fair folk story.

fox

That is quite interesting CW…I had never heard of ‘trail trees’ before.

fox i think i remember reading,, something somewhere about……………….moonlight in teardrops
in connection to the trail trees too. just cant seem to find what it was that i read
im sure it was at some,  N.A.Indain site, i think resolving the teardrops and bending branches
will yield the  casque site

cw0909

stercox is that the only green picket fence in the park, and has
there ever been another fence someplace in the park
and is that the only wall in the park, that has shells embedded
in it, one more Q how far does the fence run down the lane,
and is there a fence on the other side of the lane/drive
sorry one more Q, is there a creek/s in the park

There are three green fences in the park.  None of them have every moved and have always been green.  There are several brown fences as well situated toward the back of the property away from the public areas to delineate maintenance areas.  Green fences run near the planetarium and runs down the lane maybe about 75 feet or so, another near the gift shop that angles out to the waters edge through very thick underbrush, and a small fence to protect the monolithic monument out by the water from the wind (this fence gets replaced quite often because the wind trashes it).  The wall runs the entire length of the property along magnolia avenue.  The wall is made from Coquina a shell and limestone mix that was used by the Spanish and which you will find throughout St. Augustine.  (Having dug at night and been in the park after closing–I was never impressed with the opulescence of the shell in the wall, and therefore don’t think if this equivalent to moonlight in teardrops, but I do respect the concept).  There are a few short stucco walls in and around the gift shop and entrance areas.  No creek really, with heavy rains there can be some flooded drainage ditches during hurricane season, which is quite dry during the summer.  About the only water on the property is ocean side out near the monument.  Hope that helps, cw.

thanks stercox, i was trying to find a bending branches,
as in fork/s in the lane,pathway, creek ect.i thought of
these type of bent branches too, didnt happen to see
a tree like these did you
http://www.trailtree.com/Tree.htm
when i read….moonlight in teardrops
makes me think of a refection in something
of a white, silver color, that would be very brite
i lived in fla.for 11 yrs, went to St. Augustine,
several times, but never went to that site.
in fact in the 80s i dont really remember seeing,
a sign, info ect. while in St. Augustine, about
the park

That is quite interesting CW…I had never heard of ‘trail trees’ before.

i’m hoping that’s not an alligator shape on the rock cobock
i hadn’t thought of that b4, but it would be scary digging in florida at night…
when i turn it upside down, i can see a man standing, with something held out in front, like a gun or a bow and arrow (in the reflection part of the rock, the blue)
as straight and slender as that tree is, it doesn’t look like a palm tree to me, so it could be representing the cross. also, when i hold the pic upside down, it looks like a road in front of the tree/cross.
another thought on the reeds:  baskets, roof thatching, mats, paper.
i just saw these pics, interesting because of the rock and the horse at the hispanic garden:
http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM2RFV
http://www.staugustine.com/stories/0819 … 3296.shtml
when i look at that garden thru google earth, it looks like the shape in the flag, but can’t find much about the garden……..well, scratch all that, one site said, cordova, the other said st. george and hypolita
on flickr.
http://flickr.com/photos/bunnygoth/527004384/sizes/l/

I think the Discovery Globe {as mentioned above} refers to years passing.  I don’t think it is related to the umbrella or the rain fall.

The stones to the left of the gemstone remind me of the stacked cannonballs

I’m thinking about getting a video of the park, as well as TONS of pictures of things that have and haven’t already been documented. All of my pics will be 10 megapixel in their raw format, btw. There are tons of confirmers in both the picture and (especially) the verse that lead us to this park. OK, so we’re looking in or around this park for an exact location where one would theoretically (must not forget this is private property) dig for the casque. That’s where I am having all of the trouble. In the two casques that have been found, there were clues leading them to an exactly area to dig, right? What we need to find is a connection between the picture and what remains unknown in the verse and an actual one square yard area in or near the park. I know BP wouldn’t have wanted anyone digging under every tall tree, near every green fence, beside every planetarium (private property or not). I have been looking for nearly two years for that one clue that will place use in the right spot. I know others have been looking at this one far longer.
Now, As for the bending branches and tall grass, I always thought that BP was referring to the braches of Hospital Creek and the tall reeds that run along the park’s shore. The tall palm tree across the water from the big rock looks an awful lot like the big cross. Take a look at it. It’s perfectly straight, and if you look at it carefully, you’ll see that three of it’s branches look as if they are masking the three points of the cross. Does anyone have any  ideas about those markings (cracks) on the smaller rock that the palm tree (or cross) is on? They look like they may be significant, but I don’t know… Also, why rocks? This has always struck me as odd…
As a kid, when we would go to St. Augustine for a couple of weeks every summer. We would sit at the children and umbrella fountain near the entrance of St. George street and eat Ice cream. If I had only known the significance this fountain once held back then….
My ancestors were among the earliest settlers of St. Augustine, so this city has always interested me greatly. It’s probably my favorite city . It’s nice to have more reasons to enjoy it.

cobock1

The tall palm tree across the water from the big rock looks an awful lot like the big cross. Take a look at it. It’s perfectly straight, and if you look at it carefully, you’ll see that three of it’s branches look as if they are masking the three points of the cross.

That is a possibility.  I just wish someone could tell me why the rock is reflected in the water and not the tree.  I remember this being discussed some time back but don’t think anyone came up with any concrete theories.

When you over-expand the image any brush stroke could look like a character.
In the image below one could see many possible writings. No need for color manipulation.
Just let your imagination go wild.

There appears to be a word beneath the palm tree? Take a guess.

Hello, yes. I was intrigued by the line in verse 5:
“Beneath the only standing member
Of a forest
To the south”
So I googled around a bit on famous trees in Florida and I think the best candidate is probably the Banyan Tree that was planted by Thomas Edison in Ft. Meyers. It is near the Big Cypress Indian Reservation, and this fits my theory regarding the native tribes (posted last year.)

We were looking at “The Senator” in Big Tree Park – 3500 years old – oldest cypress in the country.  Here are some pics from the park:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/madrigar/s … 183032268/
If you have a Yahoo account, sign up for flickr (uses same account) and you can see the full-size pics.  Otherwise you just see the default size.  I’ll post more on this later…
(strange – someone smited me for presenting a different idea?)

Great pics! The Senator was on my list of famous Floridian trees as well. Also the Treaty Oak in Jacksonville. Check this out:
Jacksonville, Florida’s “Treaty Live Oak”–a vast old tree growing in the spot where the
Timucuan
tribe sat for tribal councils.
(please excuse my ignorance, but what do you mean when you say “someone smited me”?)

Another item of interest regarding Jacksonville is the official seal of the city, which features a fellow on a horse, a fellow with a hat. Not exactly a conquistador, but…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacksonville,_Florida

And here’s something else. If you take a look at a map of Jacksonville, you see that the east bank of the river matches the right outline of the rock formation in image 6 and that the jewel corresponds to a park:
http://www.tc.umn.edu/~cabra004/jacksonville.gif

I was talking about the Karma indicator under peoples names
If you blow up the picture from the park with the writing, it mentions that it is believed Indians camped under the tree.  I made several notes on the pictures too that show up as squares – you can read them by hovering the mouse over a square.

Any new or updated thoughts on pic6?  I am working on this one almost exclusively, but bouncing a couple of verses.  adoks53 (from tweleve) and I have been collaborating on a central florida location tied to verse 5 recently.  I am also skeptical of the Fountain of Youth Park only because it has always been an archeological site, and the park is closed off by gates and charges admission (and the fact that the Fountain of Youth was SPECIFICALLY mentioned at the beginning of the book – would he GIVE it away?).  If it was in that area, it would have to be OUTSIDE the park, but even those areas are archeological sites – it would have been very hard for him to have buried something there.
So… anyone else looked at v5 tied to this much, or looked anymore at the more recently posted idea of v3?
Also, any conjecture as to why the LARGE palm tree is NOT reflected in the water like the “rock” even though it is right next to it?  And the green whisps on the water – looks like a marshy area to me…

erexere

If you are raising the exact vs non-exact argument, that’s pretty flimsy.

I disagree totally, the iconic images have always been almost exact copies, The Terminal tower, the map of GGpark and the Chicago Water tower all are almost tracings of the exact images.  While I agree some of the objects in the images have artistic license in their representations,  There is always some items that are an exact perfect fit. usually the image that starts the route to the treasure ground.

Unknown

Unknown:
If you object to something that has been posted then report the post…

Unknown

Unknown:
initially BP as a name involved in this hunt was not a thing

I do not think this means what you think it means Matt. You are welcome to post any fool thing you want. You are not allowed to be offended when you are called on it. That’s just immature and so not worthy of Mark’s time and attention. In this case, just because you didn’t know in 1997 that this puzzle was the work of Byron Priess doesn’t mean that you couldn’t know in 1997 that this puzzle was the work of Byron Preiss.
Dozens of interviews in newspapers, trade publications, television, and radio suggest otherwise.

Euhirudinea

I do not think this means what you think it means Matt. You are welcome to post any fool thing you want. You are not allowed to be offended when you are called on it. That’s just immature and so not worthy of Mark’s time and attention. In this case, just because you didn’t know in 1997 that this puzzle was the work of Byron Priess doesn’t mean that you couldn’t know in 1997 that this puzzle was the work of Byron Preiss.
Dozens of interviews in newspapers, trade publications, television, and radio suggest otherwise.

Dont be afraid, I have no desire to report a post -ergo my use of the block, now no problems at all
reguardless, of what was put out there and what can be viewed through archives. I never lived in a city where I saw any interviews, newspapers, trade publications/ television and radio. The people I worked online with, never knew/heard about Byron until the Chicago find became known and it was years between word that the Chicago caque had been found and the actual method of the find became known. People going back and finding old articles interviews and recordings, is actually a rather new thing, not more than 10-15 years old.
Besides that if you read my post, it was written in the first person, I was and am speaking for myself. Thanks for your input, but I will always be offended if someone calls me a liar, but after viewing the source… what more could we expect…

WilliamTater

Matt, we’ve known each other for years. You can do better.

Ummm please forgive me, If I should know your real name -but you have 23 posts and have been a member since this month…
You are…?

Unknown

Unknown:
Besides that if you read my post, it was written in the first person, I was and am speaking for myself.

Me, and the 3 other people who responded to one or more of the points that you made in that post clearly didn’t see it that way. Perhaps you should express yourself more clearly. It might go a long way toward alleviating these misunderstandings. For example, you can just say that until the early 00s, you didn’t really have any idea about how this puzzle worked or who designed it. No shame in that. Apparently, very few people did.

maltedfalcon

Ummm please forgive me, If I should know your real name -but you have 23 posts and have been a member since this month…
You are…?

Lol..Matt..we talked two days ago..in person!

WilliamTater

Lol..Matt..we talked two days ago..in person!

LOL define in person!

I am willing to meet up with true treasure hunters at the FOY once a date is selected. It will be a talk and walk ad nauseum venture with Golden Martyr buying lunch and drinks for all. I’m in. Who else wants to get a free lunch? Let’s do it!
WilliamTater
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Hey..Lets do it! Someone find a good bar or tavern. Golden Martyr has a new VISA card!

Euhirudinea

you didn’t really have any idea about how this puzzle worked or who designed it. No shame in that. Apparently, very few people did.

Yes exactly, thats what I said, thanks for agreeing with me.

Wait, what’s this about free beer?

WOW! Here is a comparison of a large tree at FOY in 2019 VS same tree in 2005. Now remember it might have been initialed by Byron Preiss in 1982. He knew as josh gates said..”there are hundreds of trees”. So did he secretly initial this tree to assist in the hunt?

BP part 2

WilliamTater

So did he secretly initial this tree to assist in the hunt?

I doubt it – He might have put up a carving of an X or the word Secret…
but initially BP as a name involved in this hunt was not a thing
The authors of the book were Sean Kelly and Tedd Mann, didn’t even know BP had an actual hand in desiging the hunt until the late 90s
if you look at the Personae section at the end of the book he is last and simply listed as editor.
He wasn’t pushing himself as a contributor until later….

Thanks for the response. Just trying to think out of the box. Didn’t BP do the digging?

Unknown

Unknown:
The authors of the book were Sean Kelly and Tedd Mann, didn’t even know BP had an actual hand in desiging the hunt until the late 90s
if you look at the Personae section at the end of the book he is last and simply listed as editor.
He wasn’t pushing himself as a contributor until later….

Lulz.

maltedfalcon

He wasn’t pushing himself as a contributor until later….

He was on television, radio, and in newspapers promoting the hunt in 82. It was quite clear he created the hunt and buried the casques. IMO, given that info, it is possible but highly unlikely.
I’ve actually considered a carving in Roanoake as a possibility but not his initials.

MaltedFalcon

The authors of the book were Sean Kelly and Tedd Mann, didn’t even know BP had an actual hand in desiging the hunt until the late 90s
if you look at the Personae section at the end of the book he is last and simply listed as editor.
He wasn’t pushing himself as a contributor until later….

This by far surpasses the stupidest thing I have read on this forum. An outright lie by a “lt”… isn’t the first, won’t be the last.

Here is another pic of the same tree in 2011…

Just another way of looking at another clue…

Unknown

Unknown:
I’ve actually considered a carving in Roanoake as a possibility but not his initials.

Not a chance: “It is not the intention of the Fair People to destroy the beauty of nature or Man through their challenge.” In fact, I’d be willing to bet that BP was so good at covering his tracks, there was no hint of where he buried these things even right after he put them in the ground. Having dug my fair share of empty holes, I know that it’s really not that hard to do, and my holes were, by necessity, a lot bigger than the holes he dug.

I have a list of interesting perspectives to check out. I have made a list of nine so far. i will be exploring their possibilities when i visit the FOY very soon. MY best compass is to avoid all that has been done and come up empty. It helps with the elimination process. After all is said and done..i will be close, very close. Thank you for your honest advice.

Glossiphoniidae

This by far surpasses the stupidest thing I have read on this forum. An outright lie by a “lt”… isn’t the first, won’t be the last.

You must not be reading most of your own posts. And for the record you are completly wrong. I still remember where I was sitting in 1997 reading the Geocites site and thinking “who the hell is this Byron Priess guy?”
what were you 15? I’m sure you remember it well…
but you seem to know best… obviously I just ran through your last couple hundred posts.
you used to contribute to this forum but lately you are just an angry troll… How sad. I honestly have never blocked anyone, congrats you are my first.
For those who want to improve their reading quality on this forum, click the name of the person then click add foe- poof gone.

maltedfalcon

For those who want to improve their reading quality on this forum, click the name of the person then click add foe- poof gone.

wow! it actually works!

Matt, we’ve known each other for years. You can do better.

WilliamTater

Matt, we’ve known each other for years. You can do better.

Mark Parry

I have been asked by several forum members to sort this forum out.
If you can’t behave like adults then please stop visiting.
If you have a personal beef with another member then communicate via private messaging.
If you object to something that has been posted then report the post and like a good headmaster I will assess the posts both of the complainant and the target of the complaint and if I think what has been said by either or others in the thread I will ban all those involved.
I am Suspending all new enrollments so you will never get back on the board.
We have enough members I don’t need anymore.
If this gets too onerous a task I will be closing the forum down.
Enjoy your time on the forum, it used to be a fun place to visit.
Mark

yes, but now – no need to….
especially considering Mark’s latest messages.

I am willing to meet up with true treasure hunters at the FOY once a date is selected. It will be a talk and walk ad nauseum venture with Golden Martyr buying lunch and drinks for all. I’m in. Who else wants to get a free lunch? Let’s do it!

yeah, most people forget there is a central California
most geographers consider Bakersfield part of Southern CA
but socialogically Californians consider Southern California
ends at the grapevine which is the southernmost point of the San Joaquin Valley (big valley goes down the middle of the state)
Still some people would argue the grapevine isn’t in Southern CA cause its on the other side of the San Andreas Fault.
From there to about Monterey is Considered Central California
then everything North of that (San Francisico and Sacramento included) is northern California.

Unknown

Unknown:
yeah, just what we need, another city…
I’ve always wondered how SoCal could be left off the list…
wilhouse

sorry about my naitivitie (sp?) of California but isnt San Francisco considered SoCal?

Fox, many experts will disagree, but having been raised in southern california and lived there for over 35 years, SoCal ends when you leave the San Fernando Valley, about 20 miles northwest of downtown LA, or malibu on the pacific ocean.  San Francisco is 400 miles north, not southern anything.
wilhouse

Not as much as these:
http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/page/22148522/6_LL

Here’s another possibility. If for some reason you can’t access the link above.
By
shecrab2
at 2011-06-09

GoldenMartyr

Yes, I do. At Boat T <--- this T, sorry thought that was self explanatory. After digging into the location and clues, I do not believe it is a T but instead is telling you At boat anchor. I am treating it like a puzzle.

I do not know much about St Aug but could this be a match?? There is a tree right there. Probably was a taller one there before, who knows unless anyone has pics. So the rock w the plaque…maybe a match the the thing on the flag. Possibly the circle on the flag is there because the anchor and that rock are in a circle. Like that turnaround patch of grass.
https://imgur.com/JM05djB

https://tinyurl.com/yxrk7w5e

The park is in a neighborhood. you drive through the neighborhood, passing houses and you come upon a long wall
about 5 feet high made of local materials, rocks, shellls cement…
it has a gate in it big sign next to the gate – read the forum for exact text.
and your in a parking lot. you park, you have to go through another gate/pay admission to enter the park proper
near the parking lot is picnic areas and an access road that goes back past the actual park.
It is in this area that I think the casque rests.
When I went there were peacocks nesting in the area  so there were signs saying do not disturb.
or about 100 yards south of the park is a large public park.
but to get there you have to go out to the main road drive south then turn and drive back to the coast.
The one thing that makes me not like the fountain of youth park is it is locked at night and the “Non park” is actually the front yard of the owners house that sits next to the park.

Hey falcon…question.  I’m in the majority that feel confident about this park for this casque…but, is there anywhere directly outside of the fence of the actual park that could be a burial site?  Was this a pay to enter park back in 81 or is that something new?

rlhuguenin

what if its not in st augustine? what if its in another place associated with Juan Ponce De Leon? like Ponce de Leon park in punta gorda in the charlotte port of florida. a site where ponce was believed to have been. or maybe at the ponce de leon lighthouse station south of daytona. also a possible area that ponce actually landed.

I’ll just leave this here.

rlhuguenin, I agree that it’s not in FOY. The casque is in The Castillo.

i really doubt that BP would pick FOY and hope someone has been there and hope they saw the light show and hope they remember some numbers that were in the show and then add them to a painting and then hope that someone who did all that stuff buys his book. and i also dont really think the fort would be a good place to dig up and bury something, but then again idk how security was at the fort back then. and the fort isnt a “park”. why would st aug be the only casque buried in a pay to enter park or buried at a fort?

rlhuguenin

and i also dont really think the fort would be a good place to dig up and bury something, but then again idk how security was at the fort back then. and the fort isnt a “park”. why would st aug be the only casque buried in a pay to enter park or buried at a fort?

Fort security has always been lax. and the fort sits in the middle of a park.
Your only other choice is a park near the FOY which had a library built on top of it in 1985.
Davenport Park.

rlhuguenin

i really doubt that BP would pick FOY and hope someone has been there and hope they saw the light show and hope they remember some numbers that were in the show and then add them to a painting and then hope that someone who did all that stuff buys his book.

It’s no less likely than him hoping someone had read a passing reference to edward blyden in an obscure companion book to a Smithsonian exhibit from 10 years prior to the puzzle coming out, and being able to connect that with a reference he put in the Charleston verse…

It’s no less likely than him hoping someone had read a passing reference to edward blyden in an obscure companion book to a Smithsonian exhibit from 10 years prior to the puzzle coming out, and being able to connect that with a reference he put in the Charleston verse…

Unknown

touche on that. and if its the fort what verse are you pairing it to?

There is absolutely nothing at all, in the verse or the painting that connects to the fort better than it connects to the FOY.
It’s a stretch to say that anything connects to the fort.

burnstyle

There is absolutely nothing at all, in the verse or the painting that connects to the fort better than it connects to the FOY.
It’s a stretch to say that anything connects to the fort.

exactly. i agree with that. but why FOY? its the only park anyone is looking at that is a pay to enter tourist attraction on private land.

rlhuguenin

exactly. i agree with that. but why FOY? its the only park anyone is looking at that is a pay to enter tourist attraction on private land.

Maybe BP had a stake in FOY and got a cut of gate fees.

burnstyle

It’s no less likely than him hoping someone had read a passing reference to edward blyden in an obscure companion book to a Smithsonian exhibit from 10 years prior to the puzzle coming out, and being able to connect that with a reference he put in the Charleston verse…

This is how Preiss did the puzzles. I know it sounds bizarre at first-glance, but there’s overwhelming evidence that he just did super, super obscure stuff: Two-inch sculptures at the base of a light, unknown quotes, reversed letters that aren’t actually representing the exact same reversed letters irl. Doesn’t make for the most elegant puzzle, but does make for a 40-year head scratcher over which one can totally obsess.

if its at FOY then why hasnt anybody found it? especially after all the attention that EU has brought to the park. ive been to the wiki page and it seems like the park has been hit with numerous dig propositions and illegal digs. if that many people are digging/ trying to dig in the park why arent any of their spots the right spot?

rlhuguenin

if its at FOY then why hasnt anybody found it? especially after all the attention that EU has brought to the park. ive been to the wiki page and it seems like the park has been hit with numerous dig propositions and illegal digs. if that many people are digging/ trying to dig in the park why arent any of their spots the right spot?

Because the park has changed a lot…. and I mean A LOT over the years.
Paths have changed, fences moved, attractions come and gone, portions of the coquina wall were redone… so was the entrance and ext. The grass has been cut. The entire north side of the fence (in the parking lot) was changed, then widened, then extended, then shrunk and an apartment building was built on it. fountains have come and gone, walls have come and gone, trees have come and gone.
Odds are, to be honest… it won’t be found.

rlhuguenin

if its at FOY then why hasnt anybody found it? especially after all the attention that EU has brought to the park. ive been to the wiki page and it seems like the park has been hit with numerous dig propositions and illegal digs. if that many people are digging/ trying to dig in the park why arent any of their spots the right spot?

Because the exact dig locations of these puzzles are ill-defined. Keep in mind this casque is less than 1 cubic foot. The park is 15 acres. You could dig literally 500,000 holes in the park and still have a 1-in-4 chance of not finding it.
It’s good you read the wiki, but if you really want answers, especially to common sense questions, the Q4T threads for the image and verse are mandatory reading. And they’re fun to read, too!

I’m working with another member (who asked me not to share his solve) He found a dig site that is in a spot which hasn’t changed much, and you would have been able to wander into at night without breaking any rules or paying any money. It’s the most logical place I have heard of so far… and there is only a very slim chance it is a correct solve.

burnstyle

I’m working with another member (who asked me not to share his solve) He found a dig site that is in a spot which hasn’t changed much, and you would have been able to wander into at night without breaking any rules or paying any money. It’s the most logical place I have heard of so far… and there is only a very slim chance it is a correct solve.

I was going to say, since that new poster has issues with being in the park and paying $ (which are significant issues, I agree), they could find some great spots right around the park, but not in it. Best of both worlds.

drunknerds

I was going to say, since that new poster has issues with being in the park and paying $ (which are significant issues, I agree), they could find some great spots right around the park, but not in it. Best of both worlds.

i could get behind it if someone was looking around the park/outside of it, but i dont think its actually in the park.

drunknerds

Because the exact dig locations of these puzzles are ill-defined. Keep in mind this casque is less than 1 cubic foot. The park is 15 acres. You could dig literally 500,000 holes in the park and still have a 1-in-4 chance of not finding it.
It’s good you read the wiki, but if you really want answers, especially to common sense questions, the Q4T threads for the image and verse are mandatory reading. And they’re fun to read, too!

and i have read through almost everyone of the threads. thats why i havent posted until now, i wanted to actually read through what other people have said and come up with so i dont come on here and sound like an idiot.

The thing you have to remember is that the park has changed so much, that what is technically inside the park now, may have been technically outside of the park in the 80’s.
And in the 80’s there were things you could just walk up to at night, that are now fenced off.

Most of the stuff in red would have been fair game in the 80’s

so whats in red used to not be part of the park/not behind a fence or wall?

It was accessible in one way or another, or wasn’t part of the park at all.

having said that… bordering the red would have been another coquina wall. So you wouldn’t have been able to see into the park either.

bordering the outside or inside of the red?
if the wall bordered the inside of the red then BP would have had to climb over a tall coquina wall to bury the casque there. youre obviously familiar with coquina. good luck climbing a coquina wall that you cant see over.

rlhuguenin

bordering the outside or inside of the red?

I dunno, the red isn’t exact… and it’s made from memory. So, both? Neither? it’s hard to actually say.
the wall went through the parking lot and stopped at the back, (you can actually still see some of the old wall’s supports in the parking lot) the rest would have been dense palmetto woods and chain link fences. I think you are right that he wouldn’t have went over the wall, and he also wouldn’t have went through the woods.

so would you agree that its more than likely not at FOY? perhaps near it or within view?

burnstyle

There is absolutely nothing at all, in the verse or the painting that connects to the fort better than it connects to the FOY.
It’s a stretch to say that anything connects to the fort.

So have you found the artillery anchor in the Fountain of Youth Park anywhere? I haven’t been able to anywhere other than the fort.
You know my solve burnstyle. It is totally connected to the Castillo.

what if its not in st augustine? what if its in another place associated with Juan Ponce De Leon? like Ponce de Leon park in punta gorda in the charlotte port of florida. a site where ponce was believed to have been. or maybe at the ponce de leon lighthouse station south of daytona. also a possible area that ponce actually landed.

rlhuguenin

what if its not in st augustine? what if its in another place associated with Juan Ponce De Leon? like Ponce de Leon park in punta gorda in the charlotte port of florida. a site where ponce was believed to have been. or maybe at the ponce de leon lighthouse station south of daytona. also a possible area that ponce actually landed.

All it takes to convince me of any alternate location is an exact image match or a quote directly lifted from a plaque or something on-site.
Never forget that the search box is really good. I just typed in “Punta Gorda” and now I’m up-to-date on the schools of thought around that being a site.

Johann, you have been an excellent contributor in our endeavor.  I was just kidding around.

Egbert–
No problem.  I apologize for being edgy.  My friend and I just lost a mutual friend to diabetes and heart-failure, so I have been touchy and you did not deserve my rant.
–Johann
By the way, who is in or near Cleveland?  I think I found something pertaining to the Centaur image and the “Beneath two countries” verse.  It looks promising, and I really want someone to find something.

I think it’s splitting hairs really; it’s as near as dammit. I’d expect it was simply because JP was also referring to other sources, it looked a little better on the page, or he just wasn’t that bothered.

I saw these steps… think that these are directly
at the burial spot…
I had looked into matching these with the Spanish Fort
at St Augustine…
didn’t work too hard on this..
went back to concentrate on other images.
But I do concur, thoseare indeed steps…
Other things found…
Blue man’s face and beard (lower left)
Fly Fisher Man (upside down palm island)
Golf Club (left side – head up)
Man standing and peering forward (to the right of golf club)
This is besides al lthe rock images of parrots.

Just using my new-found website thanks to FB.  Don’t think anybody mentioned this.  Steps.

Has anyone thought of the jewel here looking like an easter egg?
Does the asterism look something like the old Christian symbol with a X and I combined into one letter?

I can’t escape the feeling that several of these include words, or at least letters, that haven’t been deciphered…in the grass of this image, the hairs of the lion’s mane, the coils of the SF dragon…

Btw, I mean Easter egg in the traditional chicken sense…”shy(chicken) as a wild field flower.” [LotJ]

Choice

Thanks EZ.
So, looking at the image 6 for the 1st time this week (started from the top) I noticed a millstone in the flag. This may be a play on word for “milestone”.
Spanish trail and their milestones end up in San Diego.
Lots of animals in the image points me to SD Zoo.
Balboa park, Florida canyon near the zoo.
Statue of El Cid in the park.
Long/Lat 117/32
https://tinyurl.com/ych3wybf
https://www.visitflorida.com/en-us/thin … trail.html
https://tinyurl.com/ydxvobdv

That is seriously Josh Cornell’s solve for St. Augustine…

I can get you some better pics of the mile marker if you want.
I think the bricks are gone now, or they may just be covered up with sand. I’m not sure.
To stroke your solve a bit… I remember it having a green fence behind it at one point when I was a kid.
It doesnt anymore though, not since they built the fountain nearby.

Yeah, that’s what I meant, Wrabbit.
No word on getting permission yet.

The FOY at the Dali museum in St. Petersburg looks more like image 6 than anywhere I have seen in St. Augustine.
There are actually 2 FOY in St. Pete, just a block from each other from the same underground water source. The Dali museum moved to this location in 2011 I believe…. but the fountains were there long before.
Here is a picture of the lower second one added from the higher altitude fountain.
https://postcardmemory.files.wordpress. … urg-07.jpg
Here is the fountain from the postcard today
https://www.google.com/maps/@27.7669988 … 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1280& … M7PI5FQlhM
:
https://www.google.com/maps/@27.7663021 … 240!8i5120
The palm trees in this area look to be a better match.
A possible poem clue:
The First Chapter
Written in Water
John Keats (writ in water) on tombstone – died in early twenties
several of his poems and stories seem to have taken place or had characters from St. Pete
https://books.google.com/books?id=yR5LD … rg&f=false

I downloaded twice and couldn’t see any pictures accompanying the nice text balloons.  I’ll try later on a desktop.
I like the assumption comparison but disagree with the research aspect.  But enough folks will know Ponce as a FOY clue and once there on site they’ll be convinced or bound to have the same perspective.  I had a much similar but simpler view, only I belong to a a minority in which anyone from the state of Oregon knows about Lane (but probably not a thing about the soldier and politician), Just based on population of state vs US that’s only about one out of every hundred folks and then someone who has even heard of Secret.  How many folks have heard of the Oregon Ducks college football team AND know they are from Lane county?  I don’t really know what county FOY is in, but that’s not required in this case…so, sorry if im ranting or stumbling on that really good PDF.
Years pass, rain falls = how about elderly pass, or cemetery for “years pass”, and rain false, like a fountain or mist spewing upward like a geyser or one of those man made ponds that have aeration spouts, so the water drops coming down are not TRUE rain?  Is that in FOY?
What feature of image or verse reveals the dig spot exactly?  At the very top of a hill?  In a purple daisy flower bed?  Or just at the base of that tall tree and some line up work with a visual?

erexere

I downloaded twice and couldn’t see any pictures accompanying the nice text balloons.  I’ll try later on a desktop.

Unknown

Unknown:
I like the assumption comparison but disagree with the research aspect.  But enough folks will know Ponce as a FOY clue and once there on site they’ll be convinced or bound to have the same perspective.

Unknown

Unknown:
I had a much similar but simpler view, only I belong to a a minority in which anyone from the state of Oregon knows about Lane (but probably not a thing about the soldier and politician), Just based on population of state vs US that’s only about one out of every hundred folks and then someone who has even heard of Secret.  How many folks have heard of the Oregon Ducks college football team AND know they are from Lane county?  I don’t really know what county FOY is in, but that’s not required in this case…so, sorry if im ranting or stumbling on that really good PDF.

Unknown

Unknown:
Years pass, rain falls = how about elderly pass, or cemetery for “years pass”, and rain false, like a fountain or mist spewing upward like a geyser or one of those man made ponds that have aeration spouts, so the water drops coming down are not TRUE rain?  Is that in FOY?

Unknown

Unknown:
What feature of image or verse reveals the dig spot exactly?  At the very top of a hill?  In a purple daisy flower bed?  Or just at the base of that tall tree and some line up work with a visual?

Bummer. Let me know if I should reupload. Thanks for checking it out.
You’re right… research is needed; but not the type of in-depth tangential research I (we) have been doing on a lot of these puzzles. I really think the pictures lead directly to a very small location if the clues from them alone are cross-referenced at any local library (remember, no google). This way, anybody could reasonably and confidently travel to search… it would be accessible to everybody, not just locals. Then, if you brought all the verses with you and walked around, things would start to click.
For instance, if you go to your library and look up spanish conquistador and florida, you would immediately find books and encyclopedias about Ponce, the Fountain of Youth, and St. Augustine. Look up Fountain of Youth and find pictures of the entrence in enclyclopedia or specialty book. The coords would match, too. You’d travel.
The only thing I can say is that I can’t shake the inset image of florida. illinois and ohio didn’t lie.
I do like your theory on this verse and image. But I think you must match a picture to a verse, and not vice versa – thus my simple research response.
I think this image leads to the location in for this theory, and then relies on taking all the verses with you and looking at them as you walk around and narrow them down according to visual/textual confirmers. Am I wrong that your verse ties in the image, and not the other way around?
I don’t know that I think there is any line that says directly. I think if you just were walking around observing things and trying to follow the verse, you would eventually find yourself in a ’bout 50 yard area from which you would be able to follow the verse and pictures to an obvious place to dig – a tiny 3X8 alley in the cut. I think you’d have plenty of time to be unnoticed while digging given the spot, so no down to inch line necessary.

I know this is kind of out of the blue, but I’ve compiled many of everybody’s thoughts – as well as a few of my own – and made a PDF that I think discusses the V9I6 connections pretty well.
I rely heavily on the fact that no research is needed to solve these puzzles, only visual confirmers. I think that the Chicago and Cleveland finds followed that assumption. I don’t lay out all the confirmers which have been concrete so far, such as the cannon bone or bird sundial; or SELOY and other words found scattered about the FOY Park; but, I think the document represents a pretty logical solution.
take a look, please? let me know if you think any of my assertions at the end there are valid. i think you will like some of them
Thanks in advance – the PDF is located @
http://www.mediafire.com/?5ly419d1s5myatj
(completely clean, I swear)

i knew i wouldn’t get that just right

It is important to remember that the cross had an absolutely huge base around it that has recently been removed. Look at the pictures of the cross, do you see the large square of concrete underneath it? That was part of a large observation area and step system. the observation area was maybe 30 feet wide

OK… I will bend and assume that this picture is Florida
which would fit fine with the Explore Immigrant story….
Lets take the waving flag to represent the keys
(turn the photo upside down)
That would make the flag pole the bridge
from the mainland to the islands….
The jewel now would be just East of
route 1 and just South of Miami…
This would put it at the original site of
the Parrot Jungle Island… which was
started in 1923 and at the same location until 2003..
now the Parrot Jungle is at a new home and the
original home is called PineCrest Gardens..
a similar type of facility but I am sure with rearranged
landmarkers (circa 1982)
I am attaching a photo from the original park…
can anyone assgin it to a verse….

She is right about the child i have seen this for months.
i can’t see the mother but there are letters between the gem and the baby.
it looks like i,E,? i cant make out the last letter

If it is here, or anywhere near this area,
the clues maybe worthless to finding it.
http://www.tropicaldesigns.com/pjag.html

Very well documented though…
http://www.upf.com/Fall2000/gittner.html

I’m not convinced yet that this image isn’t tied to Verse 11 and Roanoke
I know alot of people like the Florida thing, but that image 6 has been driving me crazy.
I think the profile (right side) of the rock mount looks alot like the outer banks

one more time

In addition, the banner looks like it could be one of the rivers that run into bay?

I have given up this line if thought
because of the fact that with the
prominent roads in this area,
only a single road to get on and off
the island, a confirmer would be
highlighter on the image.
With all of the rock contours, I didn’t
find anything to match up.
I have defaulted this back to Florida.
But it doesn’t change the verse solves,
just makes the left overs harder to nail
down.

What about this??
I know coast lines can be tough, they all can look similar, but imagine the alignment

This is such a wonderful hunt.  It will be so exciting to see another casque found.  I’ve seen a good list of ideas here and done my best to pursue them as far as I can see.  Many ideas, including my own, are deadends and haven’t been formally rejected or crossed off the list as they should, but that’s because the proof against an idea is as hard as recovering a casque.
I am truly happy with my focus these days.  I’ve noticed that I’ve developed the need for a sort of rhetoric to preface and explain where an idea begins and where it ends.  It’s difficult to just show a side by side comparision of a photo and the Secret image and expect people to automatically see the “where’s waldo”.  I think I’ve failed to show my focus on something which could potentially lead to a casque by not having a clean and graceful rhetoric to present the idea.  It would be interesting to see how many people just skip over my ramblings.
I appreciate those who have interacted with me on any level.  Thanks, it’s really a fun hunt.  It’s about the fun, and the promise of reward isn’t a distraction.  It’s fun to separate the ego at times and just be good natured.  Even the bad ideas are gems we can meet over beers and laugh about one day.  I’m sure the next time a casque is reported found there will be a mild resurrection and folks will have a good ol’ time.

erexere

I appreciate those who have interacted with me on any level.  Thanks, it’s really a fun hunt.  It’s about the fun, and the promise of reward isn’t a distraction.  It’s fun to separate the ego at times and just be good natured.  Even the bad ideas are gems we can meet over beers and laugh about one day.  I’m sure the next time a casque is reported found there will be a mild resurrection and folks will have a good ol’ time.

True!
I like to think of it as an acid test, throw out an idea and see if it survives. if you can’t defend your idea against doubters, it probably wasn’t a good idea to start with.  Or better yet prove others wrong and go dig up the casque where you think it is!
Then we can all go celebrate how right you were and how wrong the doubters were!

No doubt the verse brings you to the FOY. But, these two properties almost touch. You can easily see and hear (honking) everything at the FOY from here. Someone also mentioned you can hear boats honking for the Bridge of Lions from this area. Back in 1982 the bridge tender opened the bridge when a boat honked their horn. These days the bridge is opened on an hourly schedule – – with no honking required.

I am not convinced the casque is buried on the Mission Grounds. I am just throwing out the few ideas I have had about this property in case anything sparks a new train of thought from the group. I believe a couple of people have mentioned seeing a mother holding a baby in image 6. I assume they are referring to this part of the image:
Here is a picture I took of a stone monument on the Mission Grounds that somewhat matches:
There are a lot of these stony monuments on the grounds. Here is a picture of the back on one:
Here is another that could be a match:
I almost think I see a foot in image 6 in just about the right spot. Here is a grainy picture of the area:

I like it. I think the banner could be scaled to go further so that the end is touching the trees SE of the cross. If you zoom in you can see the shadow of a large palm tree there. I looked at lots of photos but there does not seem to be any photos pointing in that direction. You would have to stand behind the cross.
There is an amazing fountain in the correct place on the banner too!
… but we may have trouble with the verse.

That is an interesting theory, four21thrasher, but I do not see how that tree would be considered “behind a green picket fence.”  It is behind a wall, but the fence is far to the left, out of the picture.
However, I just noticed something unusual.  If you look at the planetarium, it has walls sticking out of it which are slanted at 45 degrees.  I wonder, if you are standing inside the park at a certain angle, looking at one of those walls, you can possibly line up a wall with a palm tree so that it looks like the rock/palm in Image 6.  The palm would have to be behind the angled wall, and you would probably have to be standing at some distance from the planetarium.
I will be there in September, and check it out, unless someone else can do it sooner.

Well, I probably shouldn’t show you this but since the cat is out of the bag….
Link to large image :
https://i.imgur.com/foNw7nE.jpg
Another Link:
https://www.latlmes.com/arts/return-of-the-golden-age-of-comics-1

maltedfalcon

Well, I probably shouldn’t show you this but since the cat is out of the bag….
Link to large image :
https://i.imgur.com/foNw7nE.jpg
Another Link:
https://www.latlmes.com/arts/return-of-the-golden-age-of-comics-1

Good one! I salute you, sir.
https://youtu.be/iMU-tCiWncw

burnstyle

we prefer ‘Shhh the Secret Podcast’.
Thanks.

Wait, this is way to accurate, somebody must be violating their sacred oath of secrecy!

Euhirudinea

and with GM’s help, back onto my cross.

Wait, I thought you were playing the role of Pilate….

Unknown

Unknown:
I thought you were playing the role of Pilate….

That’s 421.

Glossiphoniidae

i found and downloaded stercox’s old album, and the green fence at the exit seems to have been there at the time of visiting. Let me know if ya’ll want any of the pics (183).

Can you put them online for everyone just in case? I would certainly like to see them.

rookhunter

Can you put them online for everyone just in case? I would certainly like to see them.

Here’s the first part of a dump (this link will be updated as files are named):
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/t0ubkaytspxze1d/8d57EtAG-g

Glossiphoniidae

Here’s the dump:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/t0ubkaytspxze1d/8d57EtAG-g

nice, thanks
Does anyone remember who dug at the planetarium in the corner where the tree used to be? I remember seeing an album online somewhere with pics of the dig. I thought it was Stercox but I don’t remember seeing a girl in the pics.

hmmm

Cobock, post your pictures here. You can upload them to a picture server like Imageshack or Flickr and then just insert the URL in your posts.

thanks stercox!

maltedfalcon

What am I looking at? Layout of the museum?
If you’re looking for a windrose just look north to the Flagler College. Flagger… Flagler.

Choice

What am I looking at? Layout of the museum?
If you’re looking for a wondrose just look north to the Flagler College. Flagger… Flagler.

http://www.starforts.com/gr/sanmarcos/sanmarcos.jpg

Aah, yes, the end of the trail milestone marker!

Right catty corner from the fort.
The stone blocks in the Mile zero marker look similar to the surface where the flagpole is mounted.
https://tinyurl.com/yaxtrhzs

dizalot

someone pointed out the parrots in Image 6 and once I saw them I saw a cartoon animal also. Its outlined in the pic I am attaching. It looks so familiar but I can’t place it. Definitely not Disney. I haven’t seen this posted before so I thought I’d share and maybe someone else might recognize it or have a thought. I hope this helps.

Maybe this was pointed out before. A lot of people see FOY everywhere so here’s what I see! To the right of giant BM!:

Zero milestone:
Round purple circle could be zero (0) and/or a millstone hinting to a milestone and/or shape of the zero milestone marker.
Milestone marker present to the north-west of the fort image.

Choice

Zero milestone:
Round purple circle could be zero (0) and/or a millstone hinting to a milestone and/or shape of the zero milestone marker.
Milestone marker present to the north-west of the fort image.

I think, the round circle with the small square in the middle looks much more like the map view of a monument in FOY.
specifically the 1513 ponce de leon landing monument.

maltedfalcon

I think, the round circle with the small square in the middle looks much more like the map view of a monument in FOY.
specifically the 1513 ponce de leon landing monument.

I’m going with the positioning of the flag ball and the purple circle which is north west direction. The statue is way up north.

animal painter

If you turn the picture 1/4 turn to the left and look at the entire “rock” including
the reflection, it looks somewhat like a crown.
AP

Really? I’ve always seen a moth myself. I’ll have to look for this crown.
Also, I don’t think anyone has asked the artist anything. If I’m wrong, could someone direct to me to the forum page where this was discussed. I did once send a letter to the only address I could find for John Jude Palencar. Just a fan letter, letting him know that I was an admirer of his work (other than just his Secret work, check it you if you havn’t, btw). The letter was returned to me. On the envelope it said something along the lines of “Does not live here”.

I guess that makes this a Rorschach test.
Hey, wait a minute – Rorschach is a spoonerism for “shore rock.” JJP trying to tell us something here?

forest_blight

I guess that makes this a Rorschach test.
Hey, wait a minute – Rorschach is a spoonerism for “shore rock.” JJP trying to tell us something here?

LOL! I’m glad someone got the humor in that. Thank you.

cw0909

not sure about the reflection of tree, did notice this rock in stercoxs foy tour album pg 10
http://good-times.webshots.com/album/55 … ?start=108
i put them side by side, close maybe

Has anyone asked the artist about the lack of reflection from the tree?

If you turn the picture 1/4 turn to the left and look at the entire “rock” including
the reflection, it looks somewhat like a crown.
AP

i skimmed over this whole thread and haven’t seen anybody mention the “bird/raven” outline…….what are u guys thinking it means?  did i miss it?

What raven are you referring to?

mattylaroche

Here is a quote from it:    “Displays of hardy palms can be seen at the Texas Discovery Gardens (formerly known as the Dallas Horticulture Center) at Fair Park, the Dallas Arboretum and Botanical Garden, the Dallas Zoo and the Fort Worth Zoo.”

Wow…now not only have you determined that P1 {yes, all agree is SF} is paired with the Milwaukee V, but you have also concluded that P6 is not FL {which seems almost prepostorous to me} but Dallas TX and is paired with V1.  Since you like quotes so much:
..it seems apparent that you have not read through the pages upon pages {yes…there are ALOT} of this hunt and seen probably the most solid quote we have: “What we take to be our
strongest tower of delight
, only stands at the caprice of the minutest event—the falling of a leaf, the hearing of a voice, or the receipt of one little bit of paper scratched over with a few small characters by a sharpened feather.” by Hermann Melville leading us to Houston’s Hermann Park.  V1 P8 have almost basically been confirmed by BP himself.
plus, I am sorry to say, Dallas just doesn’t fit into the other well accepted theory of port cities holding these casques.  I really respect your enthusiasm but it seems unfortunate that you have picked two of the more solid pairings we have worked on for years to explain.