forest, pretend the rock is a profile of a person, from the cheek to the chin, it’s real dark………..lol, that sure looks like a raven to me…..but i’m hoping it’s  a certain shape of part of the park map, but i guess if you turn it sideways, with the middle binder up, it might just be showing the spring hole…just hadn’t seen where anyone mentioned it
i also hadn’t realized that the floor in the springhouse looked like the rocks:
http://www.fountainofyouthflorida.com/buildings.html
it looks (to me), like a cross under the horse, and i’m thinking of the old cross that’s in the springhouse

Quoth the bird shaped cheek of the stone man, Nevermore.

my last ideas on my “raven”  :p…lol
maybe it’s representing the headband on the chief,
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/26 … 1531iUSBYR
i couldn’t find out how he died, if it was peaceful or not…but knowing ponce died from being wounded, the horse would be on 3 legs, if the indian died peacefully the horse would be on all four, or that’s how the saying goes……..and whether or not BP gave a poot about that..
i think i like the area around the springhouse, chief, fences and discovery globe…….does that narrow it down………….lol
stercox, where’d u go?  have u been listening to us?
do you all think that’s the stylus devil in the forelegs of the horse?…………i kept thinking there was something in the shades, and i think that’s it.

A cross under the horse???
X marks the spot
:-/

cormac,
make it be so……….
it’s hard being an armchair treasure hunter, all these ideas………lol
sorry guys, when i said “my last idea”………..i meant my latest….lol

has anyone poked around ponce de leon yet??????????!!!!!!!!!

Hi, I made an Imgur album with several picture comparisons to Key West, FL.
Here it is:
http://imgur.com/a/fzbdf
The one thing that puzzles me about the work done on Image 6 so far, what I’ve seen at least, is that it relies heavily on the Verse but there don’t seem to be any visual matches. Our solved Images are all full of visual matches.
So I went on a google quest to get some matches.
I am from FL, (actually I’m from a city that claims to be the landing place of Hernando DeSoto) so I guess this would be a good Image for me to work on.

does anyone know what this is, found on google maps, looking at foy park
this is in the park
had another idea for p-6 maybe all the rock looking thing, with the jewel in it
is suppose to be alligator skin, foy has an alligator pen i think
the side of the fort we couldnt see
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … rama_3.jpg

was looking into the fort and palm trees, all i got was
this wiki pic/ cant seem to find one of the other side of the fort
it appears that the fort is surrounded by a break wall, that should
take care of any questions of erosion from the water/ocean
good pic of fort
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Casti … rama_1.jpg
full resolution
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … rama_1.jpg
palm trees/ cant decide which palm trees are at the fort.
palms are a pretty hardy tree,since these are cared for, chances
are good, the tree your looking for is still there, alive and well
not sure how many hurricanes, have went over the fort, but palms
can usualy make it through one
http://www.sunpalmtrees.com/Palm-Trees- … -Palms.htm
hurricane florida, from 1851-2006 look at fla, NE listing
only 22 and no 4 or 5 category
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/E19.html
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/hurican … /whfla.htm

Huh. Neat observation!

erexere

WR, may I get a polished version of your FOY park theory?

Here’s a PDF…
Fountain of Youth theory
Taking another look at the “wind-rose” sign in the planetarium, I’m wondering if it was the inspiration for Ponce’s jacket and reins.

I added the Fountain of Youth Park map as an overlay on image 6 in the yahoo group file section.

Is it just me, or does the map on
http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/histarch/menendez_02.htm
look like a bit like the mountain’s profile?
Am I trying too hard?

Thanks catherwood for the info on the yahoo group.  I posted the file on there as pi6 its in word format.  Let me know what you all think about it.

stercox thank you for the detailed reply and….
stercox you say there is a green fence,  near the gift shop that angles out to the waters edge through very thick underbrush,
how close is this to the planetarium, and other objects mentioned in the threads
would you have a map of the park, that shows the relationship to each of the mentioned stuff
walls, globe, gift shop, planetarium, fences,sign, ect.
would there be flood lights pointing at any of walls, or anything that would shine like moonlite
in teardrops/ moonlite=lite, teardrops=wet,water
one other thing i read about a shipwreck exhibit, somewhere would could that be,
The first chapter
Written in water
is the exhibit near water
another idea for bending branches, thought this when u mentioned underbrush
underbrush as in bending branches
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeculliv … 090955065/
went back to the parks website and found this, would anyone know where this is in the park,
found on the wedding calendar pg, the tree and branch looks like my above post on trail trees
which there are many in fla.
http://www.fountainofyouthflorida.com/calendars.html
i think this is tree from above link

I find this interesting…..which supports our St Augustine idea (which seems pretty sound to me) even more..
this pic was titled “Gates into St Augustine” and am trying to locate where they are….
or how about this conquistador which I believe is at Anastasia State Park in S.A.?

erexere,
It is a wonderful photo of a rock…
but not an exact match to the painting.
The way the artist, John Palencar recreates the
photographic images that BP has given him in
previously found locations, makes me think that
he would be realistic in his rendering of this large rock.
I could be wrong…

It might help to look at the biggest most notable tourist attractions.  This is a geological option.  The Statue of Liberty is a different type of tourist option and yet we don’t call it some metal thing.  As far as State level icons there’s a reasonable list to consider.  If you are raising the exact vs non-exact argument, that’s pretty flimsy.
This is a very interesting drawing of two different angles on the same plane.  Its impossible to make such a thing exact.  Look at what the art is communicating.  See it.

This is my evocative comparison of a famous geographic landmark to the lower right corner of image 6.
It’s interesting that many many many of the photos floating around the internet of the various angles of Haystack Rock also share the nuance of it’s reflection.  Two specific angles of Haystack are included in the image.

erexere

This is my evocative comparison of a famous geographic landmark to the lower right corner of image 6.
It’s interesting that many many many of the photos floating around the internet of the various angles of Haystack Rock also share the nuance of it’s reflection.  Two specific angles of Haystack are included in the image.

Is there a scientific name for that type of rock?

I’m sure there is.  All I know it’s the most significant rock in Oregon as far as tourism is concerned.  I’m thinking that is the predominate element in the photo that gives us the State.

The wiki calls it a monolithic rock but also a “sea stack”.

rookhunter

Any idea where they may be digging? Is there anyone in FL that might stop by and look?

i dont remember seeing this, the white squares and circles,on the Gsat maps b4,not sure it may be the dig
http://goo.gl/maps/ktrm7

maltedfalcon, maybe this is you’re iconic match from the perspective of the PotLoH,
Here’s a google snap shot from road above the lands end trail:

This tree is long gone at the FOY planetarium.

That whole area beside the planetarium was dug to 2 1/2 feet over several days by Stercox and Fraiser many years ago.

burnstyle

That whole area beside the planetarium was dug to 2 1/2 feet over several days by Stercox and Fraiser many years ago.

GREAT! I hope someone has made a list of all the places dug, so by process of elimination i can win the prize!

Unknown

Unknown:
I hope someone has made a list of all the places dug, so by process of elimination i can win the prize

There are 9.4* million square miles of land in North America. If an empty hole is your sole criterion, then about .0000001* percent of the land mass has been eliminated so far.
* all numbers approximated

It’s been about 4 weeks since my email to the final arbiter over whether or not I’ll gain permission to dig at the historic site in Corbett near Portland, Oregon.  I sent a follow up mail today, hopefully it gets some kind of response.  More waiting.

Has anyone asked the archaeologists if they happened to find a 12″ plexiglass cube ??

Oh look! The ancient tribes had Plexiglas!! They were more advanced than we thought!!

forest_blight

Yes!!!

woohoo

Yes!!!

interesting insights antiquiter…  Still leaning towards FL w/ this P but you have given us yet another area to research.
Grand Ledge MI, huh?  Interesting you mention that quaint little town.  My aunt & uncle have a historic house there.  If this pans out somehow, maybe I’ll send them on the dig  😛

Hi there…..wow…my first message.
Well, anyway, i was just lokking at a map, and the cloud above the guy looks alot like michigan with the darker outlining around it representing the lakes.
as for the palm tree….’palm’ tree… hellllloooo…
Michigan ..the glove of the US…. Hand… duh
so I think somewhere in central to lower Michigan (the palm area of the state)
Maybe somewhere near Detroit.
feedback please on my first post,  did I do good?
Edit: I’m gonna want a thank you if somebody finds it!
Edit Again: I take it back, not Detroit, there is a city just west of Lansing(Lancing…the lance with the flag on it, though that might be stretching it some) called Grand ledge, and this picture has a ‘Grand Ledge’ and if you hold a map up to the picture, the jewel seems to be in that same area
Another Edit: there is a historic park there called Island Park (maybe that background landmass)
And one of the guys to settle Eaton County was Benjamin Knight(the knightly lookin dude on the horse)
there are all sorts of statues and memorials there too
Happy Hunting ya’ll, I’m stuck working….
, oh well

I guess this posting would fall under the “other ramblings” section:
Has anyone ever been emphatically told (by BP or others) that the “Field Guide To The Fair People” following the V’s is NOT important to the hunt?  I have always believed (as stated in other parts of the book) that all we need are the P’s & V’s.  The reason I’m asking is a stretch but is this….while flipping through the field guide looking at the pictures, I found myself at page 199.  There is no “9” there but that locomotive is #82.  Could this be a subtle clue to letting the stumped know that 982 in V1 is a train?  Thinking I may be on to something, I went back and looked again…finding myself on page 83.  Another coincidence (more than likely) but there in black and white is “222” (“Lane 222…..”).  There is an actual UGL spackle 222 (
http://householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov/cg … d=21004001
) which appears to be hq’d in PA…but nothing much else stands out.  Just curious as to what everyone thinks…..probably just mere coincidence…..  8)

Well Cthree and I were instant messaging and talking about confirmers or other hints in the rest of the book and I noticed that the fairy from Ohio, (mind boggles – pg 94-95) is listed in the index (pg 56) under the section labeled, “Cultural”
The ohio treasure was found in the Cultural garden……
make of it what you will…

Fox, I remember reading somewhere in these posts that someone said BP told them that you don’t NEED anything but the p and v to solve that puzzle.
However, I don’t remember reading that there were no CLUES in the rest of the book.  I’ve always thought it suspicious that the list of sightings (221, 222) is littered with those places we have theorized casks are.
I havent sat down and reread the whole book for a while, maybe it’s time.
your train comment is extremely relevant.
wilhouse

Some random thoughts…
If johann’s 6/16/04 conjecture is correct (he’s been right before!), and if my eyes aren’t fooling me and there is a backwards 30 (the 3 is the cheek of the rock profile), then that puts us on the coast near Tallahassee. Which, by the way is in Leon (as in Ponce de) County. Of course, one could extract almost
any
numbers from this picture. I could say the cheek is 113 (note the vertical lines just after the backward 3), and the lines on the rock island could be 41. That would give us Salt Lake City again (!).
That rock at the bottom right seems like a strange kind of rock to be out in the marshes. I doubt it is to be taken literally as a rock.
Is that a coastline at the bottom left?
…or something creepy and sinister?

Ya know, on further reflection, this part of the picture looks a little like a landscape profile with three trees outlined against the sky, the middle one being most prominent.

The owner of FOY has asked me to share with the group his concerns about unauthorized digging in this park.  He reports more inquiries and visitors regarding The Secret.  Frankly, it makes him a little nervous.    The park has unfortuantely become an archeological park of greater significance than when BP buried the casque there all those years ago.  The owner has employed further security to prevent any unauthorized digs.  Please be respectful of his wishes.  It would be unfortuante for someone’s actions to cause a severing of the relationship with this park (a known Secret site) and/or get arrested.  I would hate for this to happen to any of my fellow hunters.  The owner is well aware of the treasure being there and is invested in finding it.  He is on our side and has a warm heart for us Q4T’ers– But all digging there must be done at the right time and with the full knowledge of the archeologists, the state,  and on the owners terms.    Thank you for your understanding.

Unknown

Unknown:
I know two people who drank from it and turned into
girls.
But I guess it would make me smarter.

Some punch lines just write themselves, don’t they?
That’s why I’m not going to reply to this one.

burnstyle

I’ll just leave this here.

thats an incredibly far stretch. IMO another example of shoehorning.

“Shoehorning” Is that what this says? These new fonts are getting harder to read as I approach 50.

erexere

“Shoehorning” Is that what this says? These new fonts are getting harder to read as I approach 50.

is that a stab at what i said or the picture? lol, its hard to tell.

I was just kidding. These sorts if stretched or selective letter extractions are always extremely suspect.
I’m still not too excited about “Peel” in Image 9.

exactly. here are other “letters” in the grass.

Of course! The statue of Itjkzflkwyvn

drunknerds

Of course! The statue of Itjkzflkwyvn

actually its an old building called Itjtzflk Wyvn

Looks like a clear case of the Polish Celtic language being etched in stone by a Mason of the Seloy Order.

So.
The first line of the verse is a phrase plastered all over the fountain of youth.
The verse contains two series of words taken from two different info signs in the fountain of youth
The verse contains a quote from the Grave of the man who attacked St. Augustine
The painting possibly contains a map the man who attacked St. Augustine, made of St. Augustine (though reversed)
The painting contains Latitude and Longitude coordinates given to you in an exhibit at the Fountain of youth
The painting contains the word St. Augustine (though it’s shoehorned in)
The litany of the Jewels talks about the fountain of youth
The face of the mountain in the painting bears a striking resemblance to the Fountain of Youth’s Archological dig map (displayed in the park)
And the verse ends with the acrostic ‘Seloy’ which is the name of the Indian village the Fountain of youth is built on top of.
But you’re right… It’s probably in Daytona.

MrBackstop

So have you found the artillery anchor in the Fountain of Youth Park anywhere? I haven’t been able to anywhere other than the fort.
You know my solve burnstyle. It is totally connected to the Castillo.

That is not an artillery anchor, its the base of a lamp post.

im not buying the coordinates thing. ponce de leon didnt think he was in key west when he landed in st augustine. when they landed in st augustine they thought they were a bit more north than they actually were.

So.
The first line of the verse is a phrase plastered all over the fountain of youth.
– its on one sign
The verse contains two series of words taken from two different info signs in the fountain of youth-
what words and signs
The verse contains a quote from the Grave of the man who attacked St. Augustine-
Sir Frances Drake attacked st augustine and he was buried at sea and no one knows where.
The painting possibly contains a map the man who attacked St. Augustine, made of St. Augustine (though reversed)
The painting contains Latitude and Longitude coordinates given to you in an exhibit at the Fountain of youth
The painting contains the word St. Augustine (though it’s shoehorned in)
The litany of the Jewels talks about the fountain of youth
-true, but doesnt it also talk about places that the casques arent at?
The face of the mountain in the painting bears a striking resemblance to the Fountain of Youth’s Archological dig map (displayed in the park)
-the top portion, maybe
And the verse ends with the acrostic ‘Seloy’ which is the name of the Indian village the Fountain of youth is built on top of.
– not name of village, but name of the chief of that village.

rlhuguenin

– not name of village, but name of the chief of that village.

Seloy was the name of the village. the village chief was also called Seloy (though most likely as a title rather than name. ‘Chief [of] Seloy’, though I’m not a native american expert so take that with a grain of salt. they were a group of Timucuan Indians. The tribes Chief’s name was Saturiwa.
http://www.fountainofyouthflorida.com/e … n-village/

I
assume
that means the hunt is still valid and on…but I hate
assuming
things…

Sooner Fan–
That is exactly what I am talking about.  I was gathering info, but check out my post on the thread for the verse that pertains to “Beneath two countries” (I for got the number).
–Johann

I posted info on the verse 4 and image 4 threads.
–Johann

Wow,
Very good finds GP.  Many folks did indeed feel this V was for FL but some of your finds seem to confirm it even more.  Now, like you said, we just have to decipher the last of the V and see how it, matched with a P leads us directly to the burial site.  I cant wait until I get home (been out of town for a week) to do some more digging on this one.

Thanks for all your thoughts, GP.  Since some of your posts relate to verse 6, I copied and pasted them to the verse 6 thread, just to keep things organized.  Here is Image 6, btw:

(FOY never tried digging for this, and don’t reply to my emails any more. Very frustrating. Maybe Cobock will return one day and get it moving again.)

Unknown

Unknown:
If the Seloy connection had been discovered today would yesterday’s Selby connection be reconsidered?

That was pretty much my whole point…ideas come and go. Get considered, and REconsidered. Come front, then drift back. After several years on this board, I can say we’ve seen quite a few. And I haven’t been on here nearly as long as some.
Go for it, Ex. That the idea. Quit asking us to agree and just do it, if you’re confident.

Ok, fair enough. So….where were you going to dig the other day
and…why do you need those other 2 recruits?

I shared everything I could in two other threads concerning Boston and San Juan Island.  I’m excited to know if anyone is interested in dusting off their shovels.
I’m not meaning to keep secrets and I have actually done the leg work and a lot of extra research before saying anything about this find.  I had an overheating issue on my laptop and just got my files transferred off of it tonight, so I can start posting details in a few moments.
BTW, I just suggested that I’m undecided if I’ll do this dig or not.  I’m not even asking for a volunteer for this one, since it’s in my neighborhood.  Still no word from those folks.  Hrmph.

1. Portland Women’s Forum
2. Crown Point Vista House
3. Bonneville Dam power station
4. Beacon Rock
5. Mt. Hood
P6/V5
Take Historic Highway No.2 to exit 22 and you’ll soon find yourself at the Portland Women’s Forum site in Corbett, Oregon.
The “arc of lights” I believe is the power station at Bonneville Dam which is viewable from this site.
The 50-ton boulder is a record/saved/memorial to Sam Hill is the Weight on extending steps/roots.
The circle of stones around the boulder is an homage to the windswept granite halls of Sam Hill’s Maryhill Stonehenge.
The Crown Point Vista House is very Citadel-looking, also seen in the distance.
The wingless bird is akin to the beakless bird in the yellow triangle.  Beacon Rock or as I call it “Beak on a rock” is within view of this site just north of Bonneville Dam.
The Fir tree at the site is being mimicked by a Palm tree in the image.  The wordplay of Noble and “member of standing” and a close up of the tree needles helps affirm that.
The helmet looked like the shape inside the chain link around the site.
The direction that the horse and rider are important when finding the dig spot.  So is the centered gem stone in the image.  There is no stone that is white.  When standing in a precise position and looking at another rock you are suppose to be able to see the white snow cap of Mount Hood, which now has become obscured by foliage and homes on the other side of the street.  The stone that lines up with Mt. Hood is the “white stone”.
I don’t know what the flowers mean.
*filler*
here’s a close up of those tree needles
An important history about this site is that it is also called Chanticleer Point where an Inn once stood.  It overlooks Rooster Rock for which the word chanticleer is a French metonym for rooster and I think the real reason why BP focused on the site.  The Beacon Rock inspired me with parallels to Beacon Hill/St. in Boston and the Lighthouses that seem to be referenced in a couple verses.  I’ve got a few ideas stemming from French roots.  Perhaps they’ll help track down more casques.
WR- nice timing on the Eye.
Edit: adding in my analysis of the camera angle for Image 6 (white rhombus), the orange line is in the direction of Mt. Hood’s white snow cap, 12 paces (green line) in the direction of the horse and rider’s gaze from the west side of the stone that lines up with Mt. Hood.  The jewel drawn on the rock creates an intersecting line with the camera angle and the 12 paces line to confirm the location.  The thin orange line with red dots is the alternate line in case I misjudged the alignment with Mt. Hood.  The view is obscured so there’s some added difficulty here after 30 years of growth.

Xieish

The Mission’s entrance is also on Ocean St or Ocean Ave, and it’s the first mission in the US. Very humble beginnings.
I have also seen the sign that shehunter posted and liked it for a different reason, I’ll see if I can dig up my notes. I’ve asked Shehunter to take a photo of this statue from the side, as I believe it may reveal itself to be our Ponce de Leon figure, head bowed, praying. From the side even his hand would match up with our saddled figure.
I
firmly
believe this casque is not in FOY park – the flag does not match the flag on FOY park (why would Preiss/JJP suddenly switch from Polaroids to “inspired by”) and the flag is a map of the path in the mission. In the other topic I talked about red herrings. We’re looking at one here.
edit: Shehunter – could you give me a spot on Google Maps where that palm photo was taken? I’m an awful visualizer.

Here is the photo you wanted from the side:

Here is a different statue not far from the first:

Thanks for taking those! Much appreciated. They don’t look as much a match as I’d hoped

@ erexere
LOL… “in the form of a lovely poem”… I didn’t have my daughter that day and was enjoying, well, you what ’cause you read the lines.
I’ll tell you what, I really like your theories. Nobody else comes on here and boldly throws out entire new theories that are at least plausible. Heck, nobody else really comes on here. Some of your stuff is highly complex, though; but, then again, so is fox’s, WR’s, shecrab’s and fb’s (hunters whose tone and ideas i’ve come to respect). The puzzles do seem to follow a pattern, however; and BP confirmed many things before he died that confirm that pattern. Many of your offerings don’t use those patterns though. I think that’s why you catch so much grief. It makes the seniors have to go and re explain stuff for the umpteenth time (this is not to say that they are right).
I hope you know my poem was in good humor, and that you’ll never here me dog your ideas. I simply agree, disagree, or don’t comment. I kinda think that until someone pulls some ceramic from the ground, who’s to say you’re wrong?  It’s just been too long, and people are getting antsy feeling the time is near… At least one of the popularly held solutions has got to be right! All these available casques and so many broke people with jobs… It makes for a lot of frustration.

Thanks for the feedback… What do you think about the picket fence outline? Have there been any other considerable offerings as to flag?

Four21, I think your solution shadows the Cleveland approach to the verse where it was super straight forwards and folded multiple lines into a clear path to a well defined target using image to confirm.  If anything is missing its a distinct step to pinpoint, which isnt in this verse choice.  It has to then rely on image for direction.  Ponce and horse both gazing in same direction and a pole in hand touching down on a hill…that seems like the way to go here.
P.s. i was reading over one of your cricisms, in the form of a lovely poem piece, and I understand better now how my all-in-one presentation ‘don’t make no sense’.  It helps to consider much of what we lay out on the table is a work in progress and its here to help shape a community effort, its absolutely not a problem to disagree or explore other ideas.  I’ve grown frustrated recently when i translate some criticisms as foolish sounding, like (paraphrases incoming) when someone refuses to see the Columbia River as a major port-way or claiming the war history with the Native Americans as insignificant or obscure.  I’m sorry that just blows as a worthy refutation.
Please continue to help me and others understand the Seloy-based theory.  That Planetarium looks like the key feature.  Too bad they are stonewalling the dig effort.  When a specific dig spot is determined, maybe then the authorities will support the recovery effort.

if you get over there, some imgs of the line of site, side of rock would be great
im hoping a probe then dig can happen there

one of my favorite places in oregon!

Most of the statues, paths, and displays that you all are talking about were either moved or erected between the late 80s and late 90s. I took a bunch of pictures and threw them in an album, some of the pictures are of the church grounds. Have a look through the album.
http://imgur.com/a/hornE

Xieish

Do you think the open foundations on the property could have anything related to salt limestone etc? That PoP labeled area seems removed enough from the rest of the grounds to intrigue.

There is a limestone kiln on site, and part of a coquina wall… but they weren’t discovered until 2003

Check this out.  The main focus in the image seems to be the Spanish explorer.  He’s up high, on top of the rocks.  Down
low and to the right
of the image and
in the distance
is the white glacier next to the tropical tree.  I do believe this works perfectly for the Corbett site when looking at a map.  I hadn’t ever done this exactly this way before.  It’s simple.  I outlined the site of Mt. St. Helens in red, where I believe is the absolute focus of the line “wingless bird ascending, born of ancient dreams of flight,” and I’ve outliend Mt. Hood in blue, where I think applies to something far in the distance that’s white and glacial.  The yellow outline in the map is where the Corbett site is and I’ve just guestimated where it’s position should be on image6 to see if it brings anything into focus.  I don’t think it does anything except it is at the position where a bundle of flowers are.

Burnstyle, I gotta say, I think I’m redirecting my energy elsewhere. The more I study this Image the more I’m inclined to take your advice and get out of Castillo de San Marcos.
As I’ve continued to look around the area I now see the Castillo as a Way Marker and nothing more than a part of the map Priess created for Image 6. Thanks for getting those photos for me. And thanks to all the others out there with the many different clues you’ve broken down. I hope to add more to this to help in the quest for the next Casque.

MrBackstop

The more I study this Image the more I’m inclined to take your advice and get out of Castillo de San Marcos.
As I’ve continued to look around the area I now see the Castillo as a Way Marker and nothing more

I see it as the start, like the chicago water tower or the transit building in cleveland

That’s kind of how I’m trying to look at it now myself. As I’ve come up with solves for the Images I try to do what I can to get myself “away” from my solve and look into other possibilities that also make sense. And now I’m off into another direction. Hopefully I can find several more clues that are logical in another area.

Tiny piece of metal, like a small finishing nail or thick paperclip wire, used to hold the clay together for the key inside the casque.

erexere

Tiny piece of metal, like a small finishing nail or thick paperclip wire, used to hold the clay together for the key inside the casque.

i’ve added you to Choice and Martyr as a friend here..not sure if anyone knows. but I respect high intellect and even crazy people are smart; not that you are crazy, just some of the others. My goal is to find the F OY casque.. if you think about it…so much has been eliminated already..how hard can it be to follow the mind of Byron Priess? There is far too much reading into the puzzles here…BP wanted people to find these things..anyway..thanks for the tree digging comment..I couldn’t agree more. I HATE to dig. Let’s keep this dialogue going and maybe something good might suddenly come of it.

Dinner and bottomless beer on you, the independently wealthy one.
. o O (
mmmm… panda meat n taters … aaaaggghhhh )

Choice has responded quite predictably. Trust is a huge issue and he often pushes the boundaries to the extreme when emotionally charged. Just look how many posts he has added in the last 24 hours. This is a common measurable response he exhibits when his emotional bunker is threatened. Behind his anything goes rhetorical posturing is a sensitive caring intelligent mind. He, again, has trust issues. He never wants to appear weak and vulnerable, and yet, his verbal striking out de-masks his true nature. I hope he will not close the door I have opened for him. I could use a great mind to assist me in my goal of finding the FOY casque.

I was confused by your response Tater.
….but using your methods, now I understand.

ATT was no childs game. It was fun and required some keen observation to work the puzzles and got people risking life and limb cavity searching suspicious trees nationwide. Good times.
What are the medicinal requirements for the Secret these days?

erexere

ATT was no childs game. It was fun and required some keen observation to work the puzzles and got people risking life and limb cavity searching suspicious trees nationwide. Good times.
What are the medicinal requirements for the Secret these days?

Just left my AA meeting and stopped by the liquor store for a bottle of Johnny Walker Blue Label…however I suggest my cohorts in delusion here at Q4T abstain from medicin al spirits and in stead use yoga and meditation as a means to alleviate duress, angst, and frustration.
Have a nice day

WilliamTater

…so much for the collective genius of a room full of clowns.

Zossima what’s your deal? I told you before. Just don’t react. Work on the puzzle however you want, and if people don’t like it they’ll make their jokes, and we’ll all laugh, but it doesn’t matter! Certainly doesn’t stop Choice from dripping diarrhea all over this board and taking tons of guff for it. But you know what? Every now and then there’s a kernel of corn in that ‘rhea, and we all harvest it and share it amongst ourselves and live to hunt another day.
Choice. Don’t drag Stimpy down to his level!

Maybe the 36 is inches or one yard and the r is for right. X marks the spot.

WilliamTater

Maybe the 36 is inches or one yard and the r is for right. X marks the spot.

I will say—having tried digging that close to a tree, it’s nearly impossible. Roots are amazing beasts.

phrabbott

…dripping diarrhea… a kernel of corn in that ‘rhea…

That explains the “poopy doo doo head” title!
Gross… corn!

Choice

That explains the “poopy doo doo head” title!

Nah, that’s just the “p” in phrabbott. Birth name.

I wonder if BP had any metal of any kind in those casques? There are newer MDs available that can detect very small metal fragments up to five feet. It seems feasible if even a tiny metal pin were somehow involved in the matrix of the casque that using a high tech MD would be very advantageous. Since i am independently wealthy and have more free time than any Californian should have…

I agree with WhiteRabbit the casque could just be nearby the FOY. You could make a case for the Mission Grounds in this image being the smaller rock structure of image 6, and the water area next to the mission grounds being the reflection of the rock in image 6.

I am new to this forum. I am originally from St. Augustine and still live nearby. I am happy to take photos and investigate anything promising. Per Stercox’s and the FOY owner’s request, I will not dig on their property without permission. But, I am willing and have some ideas about digging in other nearby areas.

It would be great if that tall cross was part of the solution. Does its long shadow ever reach FOY?
If you look at Google Earth Historic 31 December 2010, the shadow of the cross is on the beach near Ocean Avenue.

WhiteRabbit

Taking another look at the “wind-rose” sign in the planetarium, I’m wondering if it was the inspiration for Ponce’s jacket and reins.

I’ve really pondered this, and I have come to the conclusion that it is almost certainly what the author and illustrator intended when they married the image and verse. I say this because interpretation of signage is already proven to be heavily incorporated into the verse. The board and its pattern, imho, is an exact match. Also, the majority of visual and poetic clues seem to incorporate the planetarium.
I’ve also been thinking a lot about the rock, the tree and the reflection…
At the base of a tall tree…
Speaking in the scale and the horizon shown in the image, the “rock” is actually quite large, as it is distant out in the water. Keeping this in mind, the tree next it (which overwhelms it in height but does not cast a reflection), must be quite “tall.” Perhaps this is the tall tree we should be looking for?
I’ve considered the rock might be the outline of the small cove behind the park, as there is a lone palm just to the west of it that has been there prior to the casque’s burial. I have no other reason to believe it might be under that palm, and I also don’t think the outline match is that good (but it is a similar artistic match to the fountain match of Chicago).
So, if the majority of clues surround the planetarium, and the “rock” in the water is really a mountain that is only included to contrast the tree, maybe the rock isn’t there to match with anything. This would give credence to lines from a verse helping to determine the image (land near the window, seek the columns, fence and fixture, etc.) Maybe we should be/are looking around the planetarium for a palm.
Conveniently, there is one, one that is
WAY
out of place and, incidentally, the shortest tree for blocks (an ironic clue?). Everything around it is symmetrical (a reflection), but the palm itself has no reflection:
This is the only palm on Magnolia, and it is almost square in front of the planetarium. If you are standing at the planetarium, this palm is
behind bending branches
(set behind the tree line on the road) and
behind a green picket fence
(on the other side of the FOY wall). Perhaps the verse is meant to be read as though the base of the tall tree is behind both the branches and the picket fence, making it
between
them.
Looking at the image again, perhaps the tree doesn’t have a reflection because it is behind the wall when standing at the planetarium. The image could be interpreted in two ways: as water to help us determine the scale of the tree, and as a wall with grass at the base with a tree behind it. Maybe the “fence” BP was hopping was not to get
out of
the FOY property to escape the guards, but to get
in to
the property (from the base of the tall tree) to escape cars that may have been passing by to hide. As in, he buried it outside the wall at the base of the palm.
Either that, or it is at the base of this tree inside the property.

burnstyle

Ill donate hosting and a domain if anyone wants to take on this task.

Wow. This sounds great. You guys could hold secret meetings, have secret handshakes, invent secret codes to communicate, hold initiation rituals, and raise cash by selling baked goods in from of thrift shops on the weekends! But your secret society needs a great name..something that symbolized greatness of intellect..how about:
THE CRACKERJACK CODE BREAKERS INTERNATIONAL! And each new member gets a genuine plastic CCBI decoding ring with verified membership payment.

WilliamTater

Wow. This sounds great. You guys could hold secret meetings, have secret handshakes, invent secret codes to communicate, hold initiation rituals, and raise cash by selling baked goods in from of thrift shops on the weekends! But your secret society needs a great name..something that symbolized greatness of intellect..how about:
THE CRACKERJACK CODE BREAKERS INTERNATIONAL! And each new member gets a genuine plastic CCBI decoding ring with verified membership payment.

Are you ok?

Rule number one since the dawn of time.
Don’t feed the trolls.

WilliamTater

Wow. This sounds great. You guys could hold secret meetings, have secret handshakes, invent secret codes to communicate, hold initiation rituals, and raise cash by selling baked goods in from of thrift shops on the weekends! But your secret society needs a great name..something that symbolized greatness of intellect..how about:
THE CRACKERJACK CODE BREAKERS INTERNATIONAL! And each new member gets a genuine plastic CCBI decoding ring with verified membership payment.

we prefer ‘Shhh the Secret Podcast’.
Thanks.

i found and downloaded stercox’s old album, and the green fence at the exit seems to have been there at the time of visiting. Let me know if ya’ll want any of the pics (183).

Here’s the dump:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/t0ubkaytspxze1d/8d57EtAG-g

cw0909

i like your your work on it, lines up nice, verse and img
im glad my where to dig idea, has someone interested enough to want
to dig, but i would like to caution you, as that piece of property, and the
one across the street, ( that you see in your, i can see everything img )
belongs to ,,,,,,,,,,,,,
FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH PROP INC
161 SAN MARCO AVE
gis mapping
http://www.co.st-johns.fl.us/gis/IMap.aspx
if i remember right, there was a prob digging their prop, not sure if is/was
the park area only or all the FOY props, so maybe consider, probing 1st
i always thought if you stood on the other side of the rock, and looked back
at the fence, from same angle in img6, you would see the tree, where you
should dig, and that line of sight would include the flagp rock you found
great find, i always thought there would be a flagp, and its rock base confirms
it to me, the bending branch is lined up too,
line of sight
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.907416, … !2e0?hl=en

Thanks for the cautioning. I have no plans to dig without the owners approval. Like others on this forum, I only want to see the casque found. I would be happy if someone else found it. But, I am also willing to do the digging work if necessary.
I really like your line of sight idea. I hope to make it over there sometime over the Labor Day weekend to really check that out.

One good thing about this lot is it is out of the “archaeological zone” established by the city. So, an archaeologist would not need to be present for a dig on this particular lot. The FOY is inside of the “archaeological zone” and digging there will be much more difficult. These zones had not been established in 1982.

Locals understand, appreciate, and value the historical significance of St. Augustine. The city has an ambiance that is attractive to tourists and important to preserve. The FOY owners have been good stewards of their property working closely with the UF archeology program and donating numerous valuable artifacts to museums. Trying to dig-up a plexiglas box buried in a game is really tricky here — especially in the most historic areas.

Her name is Sawdusty on this board and she has now moved from St. Augustine to a place out west.  She is a wealth of knowledge but no longer attached to FOY as before.

i know this thread is for p-6, just thinking
Verse 9 for p-6,  and if so may help pinpoint
location, if one of the below is what was, meant by
these lines
The first chapter
Written in water
Near men
With wind rose
could this mean
anemometer stations and/or a data bouy
data bouy
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/obs.shtml
anemometer stations or a Meteorological Station
http://www.infomonitors.com/weather_station.htp

I like the fellowship in these forums.  People have worked together for a long time.  Not everyone has to agree and it can be helpful to keep options open.  When someone finds the next casque it will surely lend support to finding another.  Anyone actually doing legwork and digging is awesome in my book.  Even if I find nothing, i want to thank you all for working on these goals which is what fuels my courage to go out and find the facts and find the proof despite the obstacles.

erexere

When someone finds the next casque it will surely lend support to finding another.

Why is the 3rd found casque any different than the first 2 found?  You see, the 2 found casques DO lend support to finding more….let’s keep doing “basically” the same we did with the first 2.

Went over the Corbett site layout with an archaeologist today.  Hoping to get to the dig permit step soon.
shecrab, I know you said NOBODY CARES, but you were probably just venting or being upset.  It’s cool.  I think the general consensus here is that people do care to recover a casque.  Even maltedfalcon brought up the legal issues about digging.  I don’t think you should take such a hard stance against a process to do something by legitimate means.  Personally, I think it’s no big deal to dig a hole and then fill it back up and leave it looking relatively undisturbed.  All this nonsense about having to get a permit is just the way things work in this day and age if you wish to be an upstanding citizen.
I applaud maltedfalcon’s recent attempts in SF.  I seriously cared that he had the courage to do it and worked hard for the casque.  My sympathy and support goes out to him.  I think he’ll find it once he works out the bugs in his approach.
I’m sharing my progress with you all to lend a positive spirit to a common goal.  This is in no way a contest.  I have an earnest desire to meet a challenge with the tenacity to complete a task, that is all.  Finishing what I started is a great motivating principle.  You should appreciate altruism.  I’m trying to help despite the claims that I’m not working on the same hunt or I’m trying to steer everyone away from solid ideas, or everything I say is reverse logic.

sorry guys, i can’t blame drugs on my disjointedness  (more disjointed?
)
i am sorry to hear about your back ck, i sure hope it’s going to be ok soon.  we always miss you here

You miss me??? I try to be as loud as possible! How can I keep getting missed???
HEE HEE HEE…..I loved the Percocetolating!! That’s just about the way it feels! Which reminds me….what have I done with my coffee? I know I made some…it’s around here somewhere….
We is indeed peeze now. After a rocky beginning, we managed to find common ground (
grounds
—where
is
that coffee?)
and that is good.
Thanks, Slaps, my back is feeling much better. Of course, not much hurts on this medicine. I suppose if I bang myself in the knee with a 2X4 it might, but I don’t really want to do that, and besides, it would weigh more than I’m allowed to lift.

shecrab

the ones to Charleston were VALIDER.

shecrab

So please don’t take offense at our sometimes bristly replies. I had the same sort of feeling at first, too. I think we all did.

shecrab

Welcome to the hunt, and keep those ideas percolating.

Love it!  Let’s get Noah on the phone
And unfortunately, I think I may have been the main culprit there as well…but look at shecrab & I now…
….. along with forest blight, trohn, boogieman & slappy who are all asleep after spending too many hours following up leads…
Unless you are shecrab who currently has her ideas Percocet’olating.

good idea on the horses Nodon.  I have always thought something was amiss with our equine friend as well.  My take on it was that there will be an exact statue (horse looks like it is stone) nearby the casque.
something similar to this….but this is in Vermont:

Here is one in Manitoba Canada:

Of course, now I realize you’re being as literal as possible.  Saying its a bad fit only because it isnt a literal white stone looks to be a judgement based on your personal methodology.  Saying its a bad fit because there is absolutely no creative, figurative, metaphorical type context in this hunt would be a more believable statement as a commonly understood point, but the problem here is there is much creative language in the verses and images so I think it’s a mistake to just say bad fit when someone might not understand where you’re coming from.   I’m sorry, I didn’t see how far you were taking your methods at first.  Its hard to see clarity among the hodgepodge of blunt responses.  That isnt to say you are being blunt, its clear now how determined and sharp is your point of view.  Thanks for clarifying.

erexere

I was mistaken on the 1818 date.  Image4 says “1881” not 1818.
Here’s a cool shot of where I think a casque is buried.  I have my back to the 50 ton boulder and I’m looking right at the spot 12 paces North from the west side of the white stone.

I think it should be clarified that this spot was reached from an absolute compass heading from the west side of a natural grey rock just like the one in this image.  The white peak of Mt. Hood sits above that stone.  I’m using a creative approach here, but what’s interesting is the origin of perspective is from a place that fits the perspective from standing on top of a stone and seeing what looks very much like the perspective in the image.  The tree in the background is the only standing member of a forest.
Here’s the rear view when standing at this spot, does it look like a bad fit or does it have as much characteristic similarity as the columns in image4 do to the similar columns in Cleveland?  (might as well stop arguing that they are exact, they’re rendered differently in the image with a different texture and hue)
This is a weird lookin boulder, it has a very different profile from every angle.  Being very similar in profile to the white rock formation in the image at this specific spot adds to my excitement.
The permit to dig is going to take a few months at a minumum.  Would anyone else like to volunteer to be there if I cant make it?  Running a business and two kids have me pretty much pinned down even though its just a couple hours away.  The cost for recovery will be taken care of.  If nobody is interested and I cant make it, the archaeologist will just do the work on his own.  I’m hoping for middle of August or September at the latest.  Send me a PM for details or if you wish to keep your participation a private matter and i’ll be happy for your support, thanks.

erexere

I am calling the stone that lines up with the white mountain peak the “white” stone.

No I totally understand your theory, I think its bogus, calling a snow covered mountain a white stone, is a forcing a bad fit.
Its not a stone, and its not white. its covered in snow.  it just doesnt fit.  even if the mountain was a solid piece of white granite. I wouldnt consider it a stone. it just doesnt fit the verse at all.
In reading your latest posts I thought you had actually found a white stone. I was just asking for clarification on which stone was white.  If you are basing your theory on the mountain as a white stone, I am not expecting you to find anything.

No.  The stone with the white mountain peak above it.  Its strange to see you argue that granite isnt stone and snow doesnt fit as something white.  Both are poor choices for factual argument.

Thats because I didnt.
I said its not a stone, as a mountain it would be made of many many stones.
and I said snow is white. a dark stone is not.
A dark stone covered in snow is not a white stone.
a mountain is not considered a stone.
Half dome is a single solid white rock, and would not be considered a stone.
Its a bad fit.

I know two people who drank from it and turned into girls.  I’m not going anywhere near that thing!
But I guess it would make me smarter.

I just started paying attention to image 6 a couple of weeks ago. I’ve read a lot of people’s ideas and the links to St Augustine and I think it’s all really good stuff. I don’t mean to come off obnoxious – I can appreciate the amount of research that goes into this stuff.
I just keep getting Key West from this image, and at first I thought I was just being silly but I made a few images to share with you all to show you why I think there may be a link to Key West.
Key West coordinates:
http://imgur.com/hHZ0djy
Monroe County comparison:
http://imgur.com/6PxpVYO
Monroe County seal:
http://imgur.com/4X3R87g
Off for more research…

fox i think you may be right about lake O
lake O seems a little off, the rest seems ok though

every time i look at the rock, and the rocky texture of pic, i think
of hutchinson island, hutch is farther south of foy, maybe bp was
just trying to get you to the right coast. if i remember there are
some state parks near by. link to some pics of hutch
http://outdoors.webshots.com/album/557330801XDeaDx

Jambone

I’m pretty certain that’s at Castillo de San Marcos.  I saw this picture this morning on Wikipedia and it reminded me a bit of the white rock and tree in image 6:
Did some looking on flickr.com and found this:
What do y’all think about Castillo de San Marcos being the white rock in the image?  It looks like the FOY Nat’l Archaeological Park is maybe 1 mile north of it.

I really like this idea.  Is this fort visible from parts of FOY park?  Maybe we should limit our search area to only that portion of the park where the fort is visible…ESPECIALLY if the palm tree is visible as well.

hmmmm, I just Google Mapped the area and I don’t even think the fort is visible from anywhere in FOY….but, even if it is visible, it would not look like the white rock in the water of P6 [we would be looking at it from the wrong angle]

And where would Oregon be hiding the palm trees?

shecrab

And where would Oregon be hiding the palm trees?

All over the place…
BP set us up to eat right out of his palm…

in all honesty, whether you are correct or not… if you flip the pine along a vertical axis, it is an exact match.

Ok, after some more Googling, I’m 100% sure about Stercox’s location.  The verse “confirmers” are almost exactly like the ones I found at Ft. Raleigh…. which leads me to my next question.
Why did Mr. Preiss bury these things at archeologically significant sites?  Sure, it probably meant that the sites wouldn’t be demolished and rebuilt, thus preserving the location of the casque, but there’s no way we’re going to get permission to dig at these places.  The Fountain of Youth Park is an archeological site with Indian burial grounds… we need friends in high places!

I’ve been the to park recently.  I am trying to post my pictures, will try another route.  http://community.webshots.com/user/stercox
Let me know if these go, and if they don’t then I need some suggestions on how to get these posted.

The pics looked great! Nice work.  Were you able to find a green picket fence?  If so, I’d say start digging around the base of any tall trees nearby…  (if you can get away with it).

I think that those pictures will come over now on the post.  There is not much in the picture that tells you that you’re in the right place.  Its the verse that sells it, see verse 9.

seahag….  <------this Mr. Fox?  dont think I ever rcvd anything...but i do like your ideas.  I too am still convinced this P to be FL.

I have worked on pix 6 over the last 2 months extensively.  I firmly believe it is St. Augustine Florida.   I actually have some hard facts that match a particular site in St. Augustine and fits firmly with verse 9 also matching same site in St. Augustine.  I thought that I actually had the dig site narrowed down to with a few feet.    I have visited this site recently and have alot to share about this trip.  Unfortunately, I am limited on time right now, hope to post more this weekend as it is a lot to share.  The trip overall was somewhat disappointing because I think I’m right, we’ll see what you guys think, but due to hurricanes, shore line erosion etc, it may not be recoverable, in addition, we were prohibited to actually dig at the suspected site.  I do have local contacts there that may be able to help, but we’ll need to do a lot of historical research to narrow down the exact dig site (mostly pictures of the property in the early ’80s) if that’s even possible.  If nothing else, be assured that V9 goes with P6.  That should help other searches.  More later.

[1]   P6 + V9.  St Augustine Florida  Fountain of Youth Archeological Park.  I was not able to dig up a casque, and so I will keep the picture and verse threads separate for organization sake.   P6 represents Birth month Sept–Sapphire–Aster (wild flower of NE Florida)–Spanish Theme.  This looks like Ponce de Leon as our Spanish Conquistadore. Heavy Spanish theme in all of St Augustine.
Prologue of Book:   “…Iberian Hadas were greeted by the Timucua and the Calusa.”  The Timucua greeted Ponce in St Augustine showing him the Fountain of Youth.  The Calusa are a west coast tribe that battled Ponce, fatally wounding him.  [AND]  “…the Conquistadores took them by surprise, and they fled without taking time to disenchant their Fountain of Youth…”.
There is not much in this picture that gets you to Florida, except the depiction of the Spanish Conquistadore (Ponce de Leon).  But the site of the Fountain of Youth is so specific, you don’t need too much more to get there.  See attached pictures below.  “82” shows up in the middle the rock which is nearly the longitude for St Augustine.  See verse 9 for more information from my trip  [2].     http://pak06.pictures.aol.com/NASApp/ygp/Login?event=ViewFilm&filmId=497.1274.1106417910352.1&locale=en_US

Well, I wasn’t able to get the You’ve Got Pictures link to work, but your post intrigued me enough to do some Googling…
And I definitely think you’re right about the connection to the Fountain of Youth Park!   The image of “Ponce De Leon” on the
http://www.fountainofyouthflorida.com/
page looks strikingly similar to the rider at the top of the image.  And as for the connection to the verse, check out this picture I found showing the entrance to the Fountain of Youth park:
http://www.glennhubbard.com/florida/sta … C01003.JPG
Nice work!
One more thing… I’m color blind, but is this picket fence green?
http://www.glennhubbard.com/florida/sta … C-023S.JPG

cw0909

thanks stercox, i was trying to find a bending branches,
as in fork/s in the lane,pathway, creek ect.i thought of
these type of bent branches too, didnt happen to see
a tree like these did you
http://www.trailtree.com/Tree.htm
when i read….moonlight in teardrops
makes me think of a refection in something
of a white, silver color, that would be very brite
i lived in fla.for 11 yrs, went to St. Augustine,
several times, but never went to that site.
in fact in the 80s i dont really remember seeing,
a sign, info ect. while in St. Augustine, about
the park

I didn’t see any interesting trees like that there.  I think the park has always been somewhat of a cheesy touristy spot despite its historical significance–I remember visiting it on a family vacation in the 70’s.  Seeing it 30 years later–at least in my memory–it has not changed that much.    With everything else there is to do there, it doesn’t surprise me that it flew under the radar for alot of the local Floridians.

is that rock a marker, is anything written on it?

fox

That is a possibility.  I just wish someone could tell me why the rock is reflected in the water and not the tree.  I remember this being discussed some time back but don’t think anyone came up with any concrete theories.

not sure about the reflection of tree, did notice this rock in stercoxs foy tour album pg 10
http://good-times.webshots.com/album/55 … ?start=108
i put them side by side, close maybe

It is similar.  Is that tree behind it a palm?

slappybuns

is that rock a marker, is anything written on it?

Yes, it reads:
Site of the first fort
San Jan De Pinos
Built by
Pedro Menendez de Aviles
A.D. 1565
Destroyed 21 years later
By sir Francis Drake
1586

cobock, stercox, and anyone who has been to the park,
are their writing in on markers/whatever in the old fountian
i like fox book with the writing in water, i think bp so far has kept
all the confirmers, outside in and around the parks
sorry forgot link to another veiw of marker
http://community.webshots.com/photo/ful … 0493tskNww

(accidental double post)

Yes, that was one of the most intriguing pictures to me when I first started looking at this forum. If my memory serves me correctly it is indeed a palm tree. The trunk sure looks like one. I mean it’s really one of the closest things we have to an actual marker from the picture that can be identified at the supposed location. In the Grant Park picture there was the fence post, and in the Cultural Gardens picture there was the fountain/columns/etc. that led them to the wall and planter where they found the casque. P6 should have something similar. This would fit the bill, or part of it, at least. We need more like this. That is why I’m making my trip in Febuary.

I have also always found it interesting that the path that extends from the Ponce landing obelisk monument (item seen on conquistador flag in p6) to the small marker follows a very similar path as that of the flag. It could perhaps be leading us to that small marker.
Once again Stercox, thank you for your pictures!
http://community.webshots.com/photo/ful … 0493UGsSsv

Just let your imagination go wild…

You aught to be a detective…wow.

Choice

Wait, what’s this about free beer?

I’ll only go if Spiritr pops out of a cake!

burnstyle

in 82 the sundial was set in concrete in the middle of the walkway between the fountain house and the 3d globe.
The zodiac sundial was by the current gift shop.

Most if not all Northern sundials all point towards true north…so when BP visited the park in 82 it might be important to know where the sundial was placed and of course ..facing.

Lol..Matt..we talked two days ago..in person!
LOL define in person!
I wear a uniform and …

MERLIN

I’ll only go if Spiritr pops out of a cake!

I think Spiritr has moved on to bigger and better things. You have to pay for your stripper now!

WilliamTater

Just another way of looking at another clue…

Does it matter that this has been moved a couple times since the 80’s?
Because its been moved a couple times since the 80’s.
It used to be set in the middle of a concrete path.

burnstyle, your knowledge is the key to solving the puzzle. Please share.

Unknown

Unknown:
Yes exactly, thats what I said, thanks for agreeing with me.

It might be what you meant Matt, but it’s hardly what you said. Be that as it may, if that is what you are saying now, fine. We’ll go with that. Now, about the ensuing 15 years…

WilliamTater

Lol..Matt..we talked two days ago..in person!

LOL define in person!
I wear a uniform and …
still blank, we spoke Woednesday
in person you wear a uniform
in Sacramento…

Euhirudinea

Now, about the ensuing 15 years…

Yes? what about them?

in 82 the sundial was set in concrete in the middle of the walkway between the fountain house and the 3d globe.
The zodiac sundial was by the current gift shop.

Unknown

Unknown:
Yes? what about them?

Doesn’t seem to me that much has changed. Oh well, it’s a puzzle.

maltedfalcon

LOL define in person!

I wear a uniform and …
still blank, we spoke Woednesday
in person you wear a uniform
in Sacramento…
Again still a blank – so you are in Sacramento but you are going after the St Augustine casque…why dont you PM me

dear Maltedfalcon…

ooooohhhh your the server lady at panda express!

Thanks for the geography lesson wilhouse and falcon.  🙂  I didnt realize SF was so far north and therefor considered NoCal.
Any new revelations with your GGP train of thought falcon?  I sure hate it when we think we must be right there at another find…then things start to stall on us.  We have to find another soon..lets not give up now.

hmmm, thanks for the info.  This has to be the place…but I’m leaning towards outside of the park proper.

I just reread this whole thread, because I was kinda shocked that someone could claim to have read the thread and still have questions like “have you ever thought of anywhere besides FOY?” I have to say: It is the most painful thread to slog through. And it pulls it off with only ~1/3 the posts of other threads. About 1/2 through, buncha people jump in who aren’t great at discussion other than, “I see why you dont like my theory BUT if you look at it from my point of view you’ll see why I’m right.”
So, let’s all be extra vigilant to make sure we’re not simply hand-waving away refutations without at least furthering the discussion, and realize that arguments against a theory, while quite helpful, are not arguments FOR any other theory. I saw those two easy mistakes grind this thread to a halt a lot. A lot of “my theory is right because your theory is wrong!”

Good summary of basic think tanking.

I just started working on this hunt last week (the book is on its way) so i don’t have much right now, but i did find the connection to Cleveland in the verse.
Johann, are you talking about the Cleveland Cultural Gardens for verse 4? I think that is a good possibility.
http://www.clevelandmemory.com/ebooks/tpap/PG51.html
Check out the picture at the top of the above website. “Seek the columns for the search” may be refering to these. Also, from the text on that site,
“The chief feature of this garden is a pylon symbolizing the wall of the Parthenon, dedicated to the Greek spirit in philosophy, art, literature, and science. It is inscribed with the names of Solon, Ictinus, Callicrates, Phidias, Aristophanes, Pericles, Euripides, Sophocles, Aeschylus, Homer, Praxiteles, Zeuxis, Apelles, Myron, Lysippus, Scopas, Sappho, Socrates, Anaxagoras, Aristotle, Plato, Aristarchus, Demosthenes, Pindar, Archimedes, Herodotus, Xenophon, Thucydides, Euclid, Hippocrates, Ptolemy, Pythagoras, Polycletus, and El Greco.”
so we have Socrates, Apelles and Pindar. The Greek Garden borders the Italian Garden and the Lithuanian Garden. There is walkway between the Greek and Italian Gardens. I would guess that the casque is buried somewhere near that path between the 2 gardens.
The Greek Garden is also sunken so that may explain the “bottom level” and the steps.

Glad to have you onboard King.  We WILL solve this thing if it takes us……..who knows how long.

It’s a real treat to see this one revived.
I also see that somebody went through the trouble of digging up some of my old posts about this one on the American Treasure Hunt BB.
I hope that hunters do not take my conclusions of Pennsylvania, Yellowstone Park, Washington DC, etc., as gospel.  They were just guesses on my part at that time.
I do feel that image six does relate to Florida. The empty space on the right of the picture ( not the rock upside-down )is a very good respresentation of the west coast of FL, with the rock being the Gulf of Mexico.
Also, Ponce de Leon was searching for Fountain of Youth, which is supposedly located in St. Augustine, located on the east coast of Fl.  They do have a ‘fake’ fountain there ( really just a trickeling natural spring ) set up for tourists.
Maybe the palm tree in the pic shows the town location?
Or the circular area in Ponce’s flag?
I do think that the stone in each pic depicts the jewel to be found, not an indicator of where it is.
I also believe that pic 12 is New York, which is strange because the flower for New York is the rose, which is in pic 1.
Also, page 10 ( not pic 10 or verse 10 ) in the book has a map showing the lines of travel used by the fairies when they left Europe.  Maybe these lines extend across to cities in the US?
Well, I still have my copy of the book, which I pulled out and re-read when I saw all these posts.  It bought back many memories.
I do live in NYC and would be glad to search out any potential sites for any hunters with a firm guess of a site in the city.

Unknown

Unknown:
(PS Please don’t worry about being diplomatic. We don’t do that here.)

Actually, we do. This is an incredibly polite board.

Unless I misunderstand some of the responses, there’s little or no room for any alternative to the St. Augustine/Seloy/FOY ideas, which all come from Image 6 paired with Verse 9, is that correct?
I’m just trying to clear my head today.  One too many glasses of wine and no coffee in the house this morning has me in a deep dark funk.  Got a birthday cake cooling on the countertop and I’m trying to find some rays of hope to brighten the day.
On my first day working on this hunt I chose to pair Image 6 with Verse 5, which seems to be going well for me.  Then I mucked around with Image 2 and Image 10 paired with Verse 8, which caused me to find some bearings but get more lost in other ways.  I collected my thoughts and THEN researched the Cleveland solution to regain perspective and finally finished getting a good feel for the Chicago solve -thanks ForestBlight.  With the 9th verse orphaned I landed on the idea that picket fence might be a reference to George Pickett and that seems to be hitting strong when paired with Image 12.  I reached the point where no more progress can be made without going on location with those and so I’ve most recently moved on to Verse 3 paired with Image 11 and once I used google earth to get some visuals underneath the overpass along Beacon St. between E/W Charlesgate, again I’m at the point where a closure inspection of the area on location would be best.
I’ve had a series of breakthroughs and I can see they are meaningless without physically producing a casque.  I only hope the flaws in my offerings would be called out in a frank or precise way before being smothered under the blanket of “favorite flavor” constructs.
As best as I can tell, Priess had a taste for art, history, architecture, and romantic literature.  He’s pulled from the Greek, Civil War and Anti-slavery, Native American, French-lingual, Art Deco, focus on columns, walls, windows, statues, …gosh, you name it, and a nuance for literary obscurity.  Multiple themes seem to abound and I’m sure I’m missing some, but I see many things as related to birds, such as the word “Beacon” is actually like saying “beak on…a bird of course”.  Some things maybe related to Byron the poet, or to something just to do with ‘Lord’ or alternate titles, rank, or standing…I wonder if I should expect some homage to Cyrano de Bergerac… Of course I’m not taking things at face value, I’ve worked with a number of treasure hunts that offer puzzles that are bathed in the mud of one subject and end up not being the substance of another.  We assume to much.  Our assumptions are what make us the favorite fodder of a treasure hunt author.
Today I feel like my ego is the size of a worn out hiking boot and I am out of coffee, but at least I am comforted by a book of J.L. Borges poems and an cake that is ready to be frosted.

erexere,
If the birthday cake is for you, I hope your day is full of wonderful things!
If it is for someone else…may you still have a wonderful day!
AP

Erexere – All your ideas on this book are interesting and welcome…

Sorry to bring P6 back into the limelight but, is it just me or does there appear to be the outline of a city skyline in the lower portion of the mountain?  Just above the flowers and slightly to the left, there is a sunlit section of the mountain with 3 or 4 distinctive shadows that look like buildings.  It is a similar match to Miami except for the odd building on the far right.
Maybe finding this skyline locates our city?

Glossiphoniidae

I know this is kind of out of the blue, but I’ve compiled many of everybody’s thoughts – as well as a few of my own – and made a PDF that I think discusses the V9I6 connections pretty well.

That green picket fence is a tempting spot. I like your ideas about reins and moonlight. It’s the back of the Howard Johnson Inn at 137 San Marco.
http://www.hojo.com/HowardJohnson/contr … tyId=01235

About my choice of location tying in with image vs verse- Yes, I really went with verse 5 and then found the location had features that matched image in multiple ways.  Two historic rocks blended together make the whole mountain image and then that little bird shape seemed to be “beakless” and it put me on a viewing angle of Beacon Rock mountain just down the river.
I can’t argue the florida shape and your reason.  You’re right, I’m totally claiming that BP set in place a very elaborate and maddening red herring directing us to the opposite corner of the country.  But I’m also agreeing with FOY in most ways because it could be I’ve found the red herring connection in Oregon and Florida is right.  Can’t discern which for sure, but when I looked on to other verse image pairings I found some decent justifications that put verse 9 with image 12 and that is my main draw away from Florida.  Sorry to put up a fight, either way, I have a real solid intersection of 12 paces and line of sight connecting two points.  I can’t look further into FOY without understanding what method we’re suppose to locate the exact spot.
Okay, the images came in clear on my desktop, thanks, it looks very clean.

no worries

Looks like FOY is likely the park. Punta Gorda is near Tampa not an area I would think of. Soon I hope to scan the image and find a confirmer for FOY park. Possible Lats/longes were no help their are about 8 possible cities. Another area to think about is PDL on the horse. This could be a clue we are over looking.

Not to put a damper on what you want to do, but….Scott, if you read the threads for imge 6 and it’s verse, you will find that there were more than enough “confirmers” already found. You’ll just be duplicating all the work that others have already done.

not over looking
pdl is the name of the main drag through st augustine.
it is roughly 2 blocks from FOY park
also the line in verse 9 about the shell limestone….
check this out
the caption on this picture says…
Buildings, walls in St. Augustine, FL are made of crushed oyster shells and the mortar was made of salt, water and lime.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= … l%26sa%3DN

Shehunter

Locals understand, appreciate, and value the historical significance of St. Augustine. The city has an ambiance that is attractive to tourists and important to preserve. The FOY owners have been good stewards of their property working closely with the UF archeology program and donating numerous valuable artifacts to museums. Trying to dig-up a plexiglas box buried in a game is really tricky here — especially in the most historic areas.

Here is an article reflecting $3.5 million in donated artifacts:
http://www.gainesville.com/article/2014 … ?p=1&tc=pg

erexere

This is my evocative comparison of a famous geographic landmark to the lower right corner of image 6.
It’s interesting that many many many of the photos floating around the internet of the various angles of Haystack Rock also share the nuance of it’s reflection.  Two specific angles of Haystack are included in the image.

I’m confused……is it Haystack Rock or the weird looking boulder with the plaque on it that you posted above? It can’t be both. This sounds too much like a force fit….look, it is this boulder….and if you don’t like that, it is Haystack Rock.  And the nuance of the reflection really isn’t that amazing…it happens pretty much every time something is photographed at still waters. Just do a google image search for reflection in water and you get these…..
https://www.google.com/search?gs_rn=26&gs_ri=psy-ab&cp=10&gs_id=12&xhr=t&q=duck+on+water&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.51773540,d.cGE&biw=1366&bih=667&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=UP4qUojpIar-igK9wYHQCg#hl=en&q=reflection+in+water&tbm=isch&um=1
I really don’t want to try to dig on the moon.

I grabbed a lot of different shots of the iconic tourist attraction which has been on many magazine covers and post cards.
It’s sufficient to say it’s a consideration similar to the noteworthiness of shapes like the Terminal Tower or the Transamerica Building or Empire States Building, etc.
The prominence of a natural rock structure followed by a small white rock structure with a reflection in the image is a simple composition of theme.  I sought to show you a widely popular option.
A historical significance to the monument to first scenic highway which is designed to bring travelers from the coastal inlet to deep along the Columbia River Gorge is certainly worth consideration.  You’re confused about a lot of things it seems.  Like bigmatty, you say something is insignificant only because you’re ignorant.  Just study a little more and you’ll eventually get to a point where not everything is as insignificant as you think.
The secondary reason for so many pics of Haystack Rock was to illustrate how different angles present a different profile.  Being so close to the beach, tourists have the opportunity to pick many angles.  This is as good as saying the artist could’ve drawn it many different ways.  For those here who think exact matches of things need to come into play, this is to help them understand we don’t live in a tunnel…the world is 3D.  Don’t be an idiot and say something doesn’t look like the image if you haven’t considered that it could’ve been achieved by a different angle.  Remember, if we’re not taking pictures in person, then we’re all just grabbing pics that we grab from Google, so use an intelligent eye.
So, a recap, the white rock in the water looks like it represents one particular angle of view on the Sam Hill monument.  It also sits in the water with reflection much like Haystack Rock, but it doesn’t itself look exactly like any of the angles I’ve presented.  The negative upside down shape around the white rock does look like many of the pictures of Haystack, an iconic natural coastal structure of the Oregon Coast near the mouth of the Columbia River.  The rock that supports the Spanish explorer is much like a second angle of view of the Sam Hill monument.  Other features in the image seem like they’re populated by other popular rock formations nearby: phoca rock (from the Lewis and Clark Journals), rooster rock, and possibly face rock, but that’s not critical to the puzzle, just an observation.  Image 6 presents us with one primary view on the Sam Hill monument for the reason that we need to perform orienteering.  The sixteen smaller ring stones around the monument become useful when finding the position to walk 12 paces (towards the only standing member of a forrest).  It’s all very credible and not as random or forcibly fit as a lack of imagination might have it.

erexere

This is my evocative comparison of a famous geographic landmark to the lower right corner of image 6.
It’s interesting that many many many of the photos floating around the internet of the various angles of Haystack Rock also share the nuance of it’s reflection.  Two specific angles of Haystack are included in the image.

More importantly, I checked it all out, and I think I found a match:
Now all we need to do is figure out what’s in the basement of the restaurant.

Nice! I wonder who else will get that reference.

Oh, I got it right off. As should any true treasure hunter!

Behind the Globe building on the back there once was this object. It no longer appears there…but it IS in the painting and I believe it is a huge clue to which tree teh casque is buried.

I think you’re as confused as your ideas are. You want a friend go to Tender. You make a huge assumption that I’m so low of self-confidence that I give a damn what anyone thinks about my methods or ideas. I just put them out there for public domain; useful or not. Stop with psycho analysis. You sound like a dumbass; not the whiskey!

Choice

I think you’re as confused as your ideas are. You want a friend go to Tender. You make a huge assumption that I’m so low of self-confidence that I give a damn what anyone thinks about my methods or ideas. I just put them out there for public domain; useful or not. Stop with psycho analysis. You sound like a dumbass; not the whiskey!

20%! Very good grasshopper! I mean expressing your …feelings! A good first step. Now, we must address that other issue you think no one can detect. The one that is the centerpiece of your very existence. But you say why? Well in all fairness you have a nasty habit of spitting venom everywhere. Certainly you’d expect someone sometime to respond accordingly? How do YOU think YOU sound? Once the bell is rung…you can’t bring back the ring. You are not invisible as you so think. Now, why don’t we just focus on solving puzzles etc and cease and desist with the forked tongue?
I am sincerely trying to find answers and look at this FOY problem with new eyes. i intend on getting results. If you desire to continue to post in my threads your sideshow circus routines, then please I ask, just go. Otherwise i might have to resort to addressing your..well..you know.

You’re tedious.
Mariska hargitay loathe guru

Namaste..

I have always thought I see a crucifix in image 6, but do not recall anyone else mentioning it. Here is a very grainy view of the area I am referring to:

The highway entrance to the Mission Grounds has a landscaped roundabout. If the circle on PDL’s flag is sized to match this roundabout, the shape of the flag follows the grounds nicely – – including the arc of the bridge.

maltedfalcon

well he was copying this, and if the painting was small maybe those were just difficult details
( if we are to believe the image on EU was the real painting)
then the StAug image was really a tiny painting and maybe it was just easier to paint that way….

On the assumption that the flag is the milestone marker of the old Spanish trail marking the end of the trail at St. Augustine, then the horseman maybe modeled after “end of the trail” paintings. Note the horseman’s lowered head.

Anyone ever try matching the symbol on the flag to a Native American or Spanish symbol?
It kinda looks like the “Great Spirit” symbol.

hello all
i am here to burst all your bubbles. I’ve been looking at image 6 for a few hours and I am SURE that it is not Florida nor does it have anything to do with Ponce de Leon.
This image refers to Dallas, TX.
First the co-ordinates:
Lat 32, 33
Long 96, 97
Second, the guy on the horse is a conquistador, it could be Ponce or any other Spanish explorer, but note that he is dressed in Red, White, and Blue and has a star on his helmet. This refers to the Texas flag.
Third, there is the image of the Dallas skyline on the bottom left of the image. Notice the Fountain Place building with its distinctive diamond shape and the sphere of Reuinion Tower.
Here is a real image of the Dallas skyline—>
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/samclark/
Fourth, the negative space on the right side of the image (the sky) is not the Florida peninsula but actually resembles the south west border of Texas.
Now, here’s where the palm tree fits in. I know the palm tree is commonly associated with Florida and California, but there are palm trees native to Texas as well. I came across the following article on the web—->
http://dallaspalms.com/DallasPalmsNewspaper.htm
Here is a quote from it:    “Displays of hardy palms can be seen at the Texas Discovery Gardens (formerly known as the Dallas Horticulture Center) at Fair Park, the Dallas Arboretum and Botanical Garden, the Dallas Zoo and the Fort Worth Zoo.”
I started to look into Fair Park and then many pieces began to fit.
First, there is a mural in the “Hall of State” building. Here is the link—–>
http://www.hallofstate.com/tour/great_hall.htm
Click on LEFT MURAL!
Do you notice anything interesting in the bottom left of the mural? Here is a clue: he’s wearing striped pants and a conquistador’s helmet and riding on a horse!
Now, click on Right MURAL!
In the left third of the mural there is a tower, hill, structure, whatever you want to call it, but it is drawn using the SAME TYPE of stones that the hill of image 6 is drawn with.
Now, let’s move on to the verse. I believe that the verse that goes with this image is verse 1.
Here’s why…
Here is a map of Fair Park——>
http://www.fairparkeducators.com/miscpics/fairparkmap.pdf
“friendship south”
This could refer to “the Friends of Fair Park”—->
http://www.fairpark.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=195
There offices are in the Magnolia Lounge, this will be our starting point.
“take your task to the number nine eight two”
This could be towards certain gate numbers. 9 & 8 are next to each other so we will go in this direction. We need to find how the 2 fits. We need to get the park map from 1981 that Preiss must have had.
“through the wood no lion fears”
Leonhardt Lagoon, duh! Look at a satellite image of the area,(i like
http://www.maps.live.com
) and you will see that the walking path does have trees along it so it could be considered a wood.
“in the sky the water veers”
Within Fair Park is a spectacular esplanade with water fountains. Here is a pic—–>
http://flickr.com/photos/stevenm_61/378092704
Notice the water veering through the sky from both sides!
Now, you would not be walking by it at this point but still, it is a part of the park.
“in the center of four alike”
The only area on the map that is in the center of four alike is located in the top right of the Discovery Gardens (which has the palm trees on display) it looks like a circular walking path with four alike patches of grass. See the satelite image for clarity.
“What we take to be our strongest tower of delight, falls gently in December night”
This could refer to the Ferris wheel. After all, riding one does give “delight” and it does seem to fall depending on where you are viewing it from.
That’s all I have for now. I must say that I am sure the Image refers to Dallas, TX but I’m not sure that the verse is the correct one or that Fair Park is even the exact location within Dallas, but I’m sure it’s Dallas, The co-ordinates, skyline, and Texas border prove it.
Let me know what y’all think?

sorry mattylaroche, no time to explore other places, this place just has to many things that fit.
looking for the raven outline inside this park..could this be it? (from stercox’s pictures)
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/25 … 0493ZPqPkr
is the silver salt cellar, shells and limestone, and the seloy marker inside this area? (more of stercox’s album)
http://family.webshots.com/photo/274918 … 0493UtPpMJ
http://family.webshots.com/photo/227624 … 0493VCCsUN
http://family.webshots.com/photo/292821 … 0493ekznCM
the only other raven shape from the map that i can see would be from this map:
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/28 … 0493ylFMHx
if you think of the parking lot circle as the head of the raven and the tail being “C” on the map……..?  i kind of like this shape best, as i think those 3 markers are in this area…plus the discovery globe “immersed in total darkness”, and the fences and the chief and the seloy..
i am working on the theory that an area (shape)  in the parks (where the gems are located) are depicted in the image somewhere
i tried a mirror on the reflection and rock……….lol, just saw those big pots the ships had…..or i guess it could be the hole for the spring…
one thing, i think that is the stylus devil in the forelegs of the horse….he’s the native american fairy