ok… for those not happy with a simple solution (even though I am)
here is one a little more overthought…
15 rows down to the ground…. 15 blocks from Preservation Hall following Royal that becomes St Charles past the hotel reference and past Lafayette Square… down to Lee Circle
basically a round shaped park with a tall statue that from above looks like a sun dial… you could probably tell the hour by the shadow’s position in the circle on a certain hour of a certain day of a certain month…
in the middle of 21 … if hours it could be 21:00 (9pm) half (or middle) could be 10:30am… so where the shadow top touches at 10:30 am dig.
lol

rookhunter

The sounds from the sky line refers to an eagle statue on the corner of canal and city park. Its a memorial to a test pilot jimmy wedell.

Aces high – test pilot – stone eagle. I like that. Reminds me of the photo of the other stone eagle in the back of the book. There’s a description of it
here
.

could the “peter pan” on the clock just be another reference for LA?  The author of PP is James Barre and not far from New Orleans is Port Barre, LA.  Just some more grasping to bandy about.

come on guys…let’s get this one.  It is obviously N.O. but what in the P is an actual object at the site?  The clock?  The mask? or maybe just the arch of the clock being a nearby doorway, or the overhead shot of an outdoor auditorium or curved wallway in a park.  I am still convinced the checkered background as well as the horse head are simply referring to Morphy:
http://library.thinkquest.org/10746/morphy.html

rose? rows? rues?  see, can’t take time to smell them, i’m off on another track already…lol
just wish we had a hunter down there that had time to check out everything.
think i’m gonna move on to a different v and I for awhile.
unless someone thinks my P and I  in the ladybughour pic is possible…
stick around shrek, we need different ideas, sometimes you just have to bust down our notions………i can’t seem to move far from city park, but i ‘ve tried!

Anyone dig Lafayette yet?

Don’t know if anyone is around N.O. anymore.  I sure wish I was because I wouldv’e already dug.

Johann:
I think that what I am seeing is just part of the light color square and it seems a brighter blue then the rest.  What are the actual colors of these squares, its hard to tell on the computer?
THX
Trainor

it’s just great you are there and can tell us about the place lafitte!  we need you!  how do you feel about audubon park?  i love the “
audubon—-abound
” idea whiterabbit had!  i think we should stick here around audubon.  i’m hoping BP hid stuff around stuff that is permanent like the fountains or statuary or even behind gates and stuff like that.
the nature institute would be perfect for “namesakes” (woodland creatures) so that sara hyams fountain would be right there, somewhere in that area.  or we still have the st. charles streetcars meeting on st. charles avenue at the entrance. what do you think?  the shape of that fountain is good, and even the gumbel fountain, but you being able to see it in person could help really nail it.
i can’t seem to find a real map of the whole audubon park like city park has and i get turned around easily.  what are your ideas for the clock?  and should there be a map in the picture?  do you think the “mask” is the zoo part? do you think tulane looks like the clock shape?
shouldn’t we be able to overlay the park onto the image somewhere like the FOY map?  i’m trying but i don’t have skills, as you’ll see if you read back and see my outline of the “train” or streetcar ( which i still love
, but no one else sees)
they wouldn’t move the statuary on the golf course would they?  like that la bore statue?
and the “shelters” , what do you think about those?  i know 3 are rentals, but maybe there are more and maybe they are numbered.
“only three”  could be  1 (only)    3……………….we know there’s # 10, 11 and 12 shelter…..so maybe there’s a #13
i keep getting pulled back toward the french quarter tho……..with the big grandfather clock in the monteleone hotel on royal street, (they say it is the heart of new orleans), you could go straight from there to city park, and there is the hyams fountain there

it’s supposedly 40′ by
15 ‘
………………………….
sara lavinia hyams mcmxiv—–22 letters
in the middle of twenty minus one from end to end  🙂
is that memorial plaque on camp street??  ’cause i like “camp” for “shelter their heads for a night”  line

…yep, the Hyams fountains are still my current favourite for:
1) “jewels abound” text in “jewels to audubon” inscription
2) MCMXIV inscription suggested by 19XIV
3) “Fays delight” appears in quotation: “The fay’s delight is to await by the fountain”
4) Statue of boy staring into the water fits with the Narcissus theme for the image. (With the three kids at the other end, could also imagine “three stand watch” and “circle of friends” here.)
5) Hyams link to the St Charles Hotel
6) The apparently regular layout of flagstones around the edge of the fountain provides a possible way to identify a particular spot using references like “fifteen rows” and “in the middle of 21”. If it turned out the thing was 21 yards long, or had 15 paving slabs across one edge, it would seal the deal. If the Audubon and City Parks ones are the same, I don’t know which it might be though – seems there are matching landmarks all over the place. Giant flowers in City, shelters in Audubon, etc.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Another quick thought I’ll jot down because it’s pestering me concerns the three Hebrew
mother letters
, “Shin” being fire (cf story of dragons and shin-seen, P18) and “Mem” being water (cf story on P24, and the footnotes on P25, which talk about “grandfather” [clock] meaning “memory”. Reminds me of the Muses idea, their mother being
Mnemosyne
, or memory. I still like that memorial plaque. Maybe that’s all it means.)

fox

The 2 that were found used similar tactics…

Is “accidentally” the tactic of which you speak?

fox

In my opinion, arguing against the Wright Bros monument with basically the same words as the verse (plus other nearby confirmers) is counter productive. No, we haven’t found the casque but that does not mean that that specific confirmer is incorrect. We need to start using common sense here.

Just want to lend my strong support to this opinion in general, beyond the specific example you give.

maltedfalcon

Here is a sovereign people
Who build palaces to shelter
Their heads for a night!
Quote from Domingo Sarmiento referring to the St. Charles Exchange hotel in New Orleans. To me that directly connects this verse to NO and eliminates it from consideration in any other city.

maltedfalcon

But still my main question is why choose v7 over v2 when v2 has the above solid, historical,  literature link.

Where did you find this gem?  Even after you told me WHO said it and WHAT it was referring to, I still can not find any mention of Senor S making this statement referring to the SCEH…or for that matter, even something remotely similar ie…the tweaked version of the Wright Memorial saying.
because everything else fits…

maltedfalcon

“The layout of Jackson Square looks too similar to P7’s clock to be merely coincidental”
I dissagree a square and an arch are pretty common.

Those become less and less common when above said arch is the Moonwalk just like P7 shows the moon above the arch…and…with Peter Pan circling the interior of the clock with the second hand pointing towards the right side of the clock which corresponds to St Peter Street running down that side of Jackson Sq.
Now if you can show me that Armstrong Park is shaped….no….’looks’ like the face of a clock and that the street running outside of the park where the arched entrance is is called Moon Street you might be onto something
I still believe that the casque is not buried within Jackson Sq itself but in one of the grassy areas between the cannon and the Moonwalk.  There are a couple of areas right below the cannon that would be ideal since they are basically hidden from all of the traffic {foot and vehicle} along Decatur St outside of J Square.

Fox…we had a whole thread on here about it. Literary References in the Secret is the thread title. There’s an image from the book Abroad in America with the Sarmiento quote on that thread.

When referring to a “giant pole,” I would think that BP would be referring to something that can always be seen, and not something that appears only once per year, and you have to read about it to know that it WAS there.  So, the temporary pole in Jackson Square just does not seem to fit.
As for the “giant step,” it may not necessarily mean that the treasure is a large stride away from the giant pole.  It could be a play on words, such as a sign referring to a moonwalk or maybe a statue of a giant, etc., which could be several yards away from the pole.

This is Congo Square now. The photo you posted was taken decades ago. Congo square is just an open space where bands and dancers used to gather.
Louis Armstrong Park was largely flooded during Katrina.
We have been over and over and over this location–and nothing was concluded or found.
Yes, there are multiple images that match places in LA park. The bridge over the river that runs through the park is reflected in the arches–the statue of LA himself–the entryway. We have posted pic after pic of this park, and been over it multiple times.
Not trying to discourage anyone, but it’s been hashed, and REhashed.
Did no one see my bit on an earlier post about the “giant pole”? They erect a giant pole in Jackson Square every New Year’s Eve and a large pot of gumbo descends at the stroke of midnight–like the ball in Times Square.  Maybe THAT’s the pole BP was talking about.

Yes I understand what it looks like now. I read the date on the picture,
I was suggesting a possible translation of middle of 21.
The difference I am trying to apply the iconic image -straight line theory.
and then using that theory. pick the most likely verse-
So Montreal -Image 9 verse 7
Image 7 Verse 2 and knowing how much effort has been put into jackson square without results I thought I would look in the other direction.
and the more I look the more I like LA park
I do realize its been hashed and rehashed and Im sure we will rehash it again and again til someone goes ‘hey” and has a lightbulb moment.
and I did see your giant new years eve pole,
but after trying all kinds of poles with verse 7 and SF I realized something about the giant pole, and that is whatever pole it is and what ever place it is,
there needs to be diggable dirt within one giant step (in the Twain attention direction)  a pole in the middle of a park, a flagpole in the middle of cement
or a monment in the middle of a busy city square isnt going to work…    diggable means that BP with a shovel in the middle of the night, is not going to attract undue attention.
and While there are several places like that in LA park, there really arent around jackson park…
But even still I would love to see how verse 2 works with jackson square…
remember occam’s razor, the simplest solution probably is correct. and we already have a verse – verse2 with a definite NO connection.

What is the definite connection?

Unknown

Unknown:
When referring to a “giant pole,” I would think that BP would be referring to something that can always be seen, and not something that appears only once per year, and you have to read about it to know that it WAS there.  So, the temporary pole in Jackson Square just does not seem to fit.

I doubt that’s the case, actually—he has mentioned quite a few things that aren’t “seen” or can’t “always be seen” in these verses. The historical references are a big factor.
May 1913
and
Edwin and Edwina
and even the
Education and Justice
references in this verse–the buildings aren’t used NOW for education and justice–they WERE  used for that purpose. And as for having to read about it, well, we’ve had to read about EVERYTHING. So this argument doesn’t really sway me much.
Nor does the casque have to buried within sight of any pole. The pole is mentioned only–it does not mention that the casque is
at its foot
like it does in other verses. It said in the Cleveland verse,
seek the columns for the search
, but the casque wasn’t buried at the foot of the columns. The columns were merely another item in the vicinity.
It’s obvious to me (and maybe just me) that the verses are probably supposed to be much simpler as locators than we are using them. We’re splitting a lot of hairs, here. BP had said that he expected the treasures to all be located within a short period of time–so I don’t believe he made these all that complicated. The pole at NYears in NOLA gets a lot of attention there–if you said to a native “giant pole” he or she might possibly say right back to you, “New Year’s! Big pot o’gumbo!” in the same way that if you said to a native New Yorker “Time’s Square” they would probably fire back “New Year’s! Big ball dropping!”
1
I think the giant step is another of these sorts of clues. I don’t think he means literally move your leg away from your body about 6 feet.  I think he means “a league.” Remember these are fairy tales–what was a giant step in a fairy tale?
A league
. (Remember  the 7-league boots?) There is probably something with the word “league” on it nearby. I’d be looking for that, not a pole–OR a straight line.
And that brings up another thing: the figure called “Peter Pan.” That is absolutely NOT Peter Pan.  It’s not the Disney version and it’s not the literature version either (who looked like a baby). It looks like an old fashioned baseball player–or it might be a harlequin (but that’s even a stretch for me.) So maybe you’d look for a league as it pertains to baseball?
1
Of course some New Yorkers might fire back something like “Porn Shops!” instead.

shecrab

I doubt that’s the case, actually—he has mentioned quite a few things that aren’t “seen” or can’t “always be seen” in these verses. The historical references are a big factor.
May 1913
and
Edwin and Edwina
and even the
Education and Justice
references in this verse–the buildings aren’t used NOW for education and justice–they WERE  used for that purpose. And as for having to read about it, well, we’ve had to read about EVERYTHING. So this argument doesn’t really sway me much.
Nor does the casque have to buried within sight of any pole. The pole is mentioned only–it does not mention that the casque is
at its foot
like it does in other verses. It said in the Cleveland verse,
seek the columns for the search
, but the casque wasn’t buried at the foot of the columns. The columns were merely another item in the vicinity.

Here is a sovereign people
Who build palaces to shelter
Their heads for a night!
Quote from Domingo Sarmiento referring to the St. Charles Exchange hotel in New Orleans. To me that directly connects this verse to NO and eliminates it from consideration in any other city.
You mentioned historical references… I suspect that when all plays out the historical references will have a physical manifestation near the casque, ie. a hisorical marker with the date may 1913 or mention Edwin sombody and his decendants…  For instance Education and justice for all to see… In montreal the statue with the angel on top of it is dedicated to a man, whom the marker notes was famous for bringing education and justice to the area….
Actually it said first seek the columns as in the first place to go is the columns at the entrance to the italian gardens. Then it took you step by step. to a specific place.
narrowing down the area until the area to dig in was obvious and confined.
My point with verse 7 is for it to narrow down to a diggable area. the casque must be  1 giant step from a pole in a specific direction. otherwise the search area is too vague and the casque couldnt be found.  7 leagues is about 21 miles by the way.
I should also point out there is no way of knowing if the gumbo pole was put up in the exact same place year after year. which would make a big difference to a digger.
But still my main question is why choose v7 over v2 when v2 has the above solid, historical,  literature link.

Wondering if anyone knows sign language.  Most images have hands in it. Like mentioned prior, image 7 has a weird grip on the stick mask. Open the first two fingers, it could be a U or the letter V.  Any hand signs that depict a whole word?  Image 9 looks real interesting.

boogieman

Wondering if anyone knows sign language.  Most images have hands in it. Like mentioned prior, image 7 has a weird grip on the stick mask. Open the first two fingers, it could be a U or the letter V.  Any hand signs that depict a whole word?  Image 9 looks real interesting.

It would also be a good idea to examine each image for dot patterns, as some such patterns might represent Braille.
Drew

I’ve had two beers…consider it an early celebration.  I really like your theory WR.  Best of luck on the response.  Its shoveltime!

My pic had him facing the right way, arching his back the right way, etc…  If we rotate that pic and compare it to our clock jockey, I think we will be pleasantly pleased.

The arms are reversed but I think this is it…
not sure if image is showing so… go to
http://www.travelphotobase.com/s/LANBL.HTM
and enlarge the pic titled:  625 Saint Charles with statue of John McDonogh.
The credit for this find goes to Cormac!!!

Here are better angles of the boy.  It looks really good, but not exact.  Can anyone do a side-by-side comparison?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:LafSq11Oct07McDonoughC.jpg
http://www-sal.cs.uiuc.edu/~friedman/canal/Pic083a.htm

compared it seems the right and left arm are wrong, this may have been deliberate, i think bp has turned
and changed the look of some objects, in other pics too

https://1drv.ms/b/s!An5iiS4FlLlEgyIbfiiffjLsNi7v
A picture of a Scottish Rite Temple in N.O. I thought it looked somewhat like a checkerboard. I think image 7 doesn’t have the crisp white and black checkerboard, it seems a bit weathered.

wilhouse

“It was after our dig that my wife came up with her theory of V1 and P7..which I am really buying into.  I had considered Jackson Square long ago and when she started describing her theory of V1, I took another look.  It was then that I was stunned by the resemblence of the P7 clock and the layout of Jackson Square.  It is quite striking I must say.”
Well, then you’d have to come up with a better verse for houston. If you do, maybe I can get closer to where it is!!
wilhouse

I believe he meant Verse 7 with image 7.

hello fox it sure is exciting to dig for a casque!! i was courious about your dig location, was it at the 1:30 spot which would be in the middle of 21 and 3 stands watch is near

no, I did not dig at the 1:30 spot.  Most of the area around the entire sundial had very hard ground.  The only place I actually dug was at the 3 (or slightly off of it towards the 4)…since this is the only place I found very soft dirt.  I focused on this spot because it not only had soft dirt…but P7 shows the second hand of the clock pointing at the 3.  This was also the only place around the sundial where there was a strange wooden post.  It just looked like a nice place to bury a casque…you know, between the 3 and the post…a very distinctive spot.  I took quite a few pics of the area which I will try to get online somewhere as soon as possible.  I should be rolling into my hometown tomorrow (Sunday) evening so the pics should be up sometime Monday I hope.
Sure wish I could have dug it up for you guys but it looks like another one of us (sans Sir Egg
) will have that pleasure.  Nah…even the Eggman is welcome!

jmyoung15

…I’m glad to skim through tables of contents/indices to see if there is any info on Hermes, though it will likely be later in the workweek before I’m back at the library.]

Thanks jmyoung15!

An alternative interp of the clock hand and elements:
The clock hand scrollwork is similar–not exact, but similiar–to the scrollwork on the gates at the Fairgrounds race course:
and the Moon/Stars at the top of the clock is a repeated symbol throughout New Orleans, although the moon is not a full moon, but a crescent moon. It appears on the Police department badges,
and on the manhole covers. Note also that on these manhole covers, the words “water meter” appear–and the two small circles on the clock hand DO look like meter gauges of some kind.
I am still trying to find some “21” for V. 2. I believe that is the V. that goes with this image; it is the only missing piece–but it is the final one. The FairGrounds Race Course seems rife with possibility, but I cannot find enough pictures and information on line to do much with. Also, it was very heavily flooded during KAtrina, and was closed for a year. That may have hampered some of the 1980’s features.

However, there are four things that stand out about the Fair Grounds that make me believe it could be a location.
(1) The words “Fair” and “Grounds” are two synonyms for Fay (Fey)  and Gnome. Fey, or Fay, means Fair. Gnome means “ground dweller”.
Namesakes meeting near the site.
(2) The gates scrollwork is, as I’ve said, similar to that on the clock hand–and there is a jockey statue right in front of the gates.
(3) The general
shape
of that gate post is very much like the clock in the Image.
(4) The checkered background on the Image–could be a visual trope for the Checkered Flag that starts and ends races.
You might also note that two relatively famous race horses are buried on the infield. And there is a HUGE jazz festival there every year–with musicians who were and are notable at Preservation Hall (as well as other places in NO.) So that is a tie-in also. Not to mention the horse’s head in the lower right corner of the Image.

shecrab

The clock hand scrollwork is similar–not exact, but similiar–to the scrollwork on the gates at the Fairgrounds race course

I like the gate.
Wondering about this section of water as a shape in the cuff. (Clock-boy also kind of looks like he’s swimming.)
Fairgrounds is upper right. (The cross marks the steps I was looking at where St Ann reaches the river.)
Toulouse St is shown below in red, at the base of this blue squiggle. (He painted various
jockeys
.)
I was interested in the way Toulouse runs parallel to St Ann, which is the one that goes through the white Armstrong arch I associate with the mask.
Maybe you could say the point where St Ann hits the river is 29 streets down from where it starts at the Jackson flower sign.
Running north, but first across
In jewel’s direction
Is an object
Of Twain’s attention
(The thing that’s running north could then be St Ann. Twain wrote about her in
Life on the Mississippi
. New Orleans has a
shrine
for her.)

I believe I have a lead on the New Orleans casque. I am a city native but currently living out-of-state. Might need help….

Boogieman– Sorry about the general “we.”  I meant no offense.

According to this site
http://www.nps.gov/archive/jazz/Armstrong%20Park_map_history.htm
the hall is called “Perseverance hall No. 4” not “Preservation hall”
But it does have a couple of nice bridges that would match the arch on the clock
http://photos.nondot.org/2001-06-13-AlabamaTrip/08%20-%20New%20Orleans%20-%20Luis%20Armstrong%20Park/

What’s this
we
crap?  The figure on the clock is definetly Trohn,
passing
time.  I got it, Trohn’s the jockey!!  Love you man!
Seriously, talking about bclews’ bridge, the significance of the water line makes this arch bridge an image confirmer, no?  Makes the top of the clock housing a bridge.  Can anyone see the water line in the image?

The Satchmo statue was found quite some time ago and should be somewhere around these boards.  I think it was dismissed because it just wasnt close enough…
The “figure” has been called Peter Pan in the past…not really sure if it is PP but I think it looks more like PP or some fairytale guy than it does a jockey.  sorry Trohn.

Erexere, these guys will do GPR in NOLA to see if your theory is correct.
https://www.nationalgpr.com/ground-pene … -louisiana

Mark X

…our last expedition was foiled by fellow hunters that used our own work to beat us to the finish within 24 hours of us finding the location ourselves. Stolen.

I’m curious which hunt that was. (and maybe this is not the proper thread to discuss it. sorry, didn’t mean to derail.) Different hunts, different tactics, different communities. We’re much nicer here (we hope).

I wasnt really upset, but I tend to get the fodder treatment without seeing that better side of people. I have a lot of respect for the other Secret enthusiasts here. Even if they dont agree with my perspective, I’m still willing to compensate for their assistance.
I recall a member here asked their brother to help search a TCWAF site for me. He came up empty, but I still made good and sent him a nice present for his efforts.

Jambone, that is stating the obvious but I do not think it has been posted here.  How could we overlook that?  That is definitely a knights move in chess.  Now, are there any chess aficianados (damn that is hard to spell  :-/ ) that know if this particular move has a specific name or term?

Wow.  How did I miss it being a knight?
I need to go back to sleep.
Here’s a restaurant I found in the FQ that almost relates to chess, it’s probably just a reach, but hey, sometimes reaches work.
http://www.brennansneworleans.com/royalstreet.html
This restaurant was owned by the father of a famous chess player, and the aritcle in the link discusses how there is even a full size chess board painted on the floor inside.
Just another (reaching) thought.
~~Tracy

oh, this is too bizarre. Morphy’s father owned the building Brennan’s is in!!
I have been there many times. there is a courtyard area inside. hard to believe the casque is buried in there, but it is all tying together.  OR perhaps this is just a landmark for the image in which to work off of.  In 1982, Brennans was no where near as famous as it is now.
wilhouse

Mark X

After 34 years, everything is a stab in the dark. Preiss underestimated the complexity of his work. I think we have a good idea of where it is now, we just have to lock down the X. I went to the area last week with one of my team members and we felt that the casque was close by, just waiting for us to unearth it. It just seems like the place Preiss would have chosen after arriving in New Orleans.

I think “Preiss underestimated the complexity of his work” is accurate, and probably an understatement.

Offically in New Orleans for the week. Down on Lafayette street looking at the three statues. Spent some time at jackson square and preservation hall.
Eating dinner now and maybe doing a little pub crawl while enjoying the post christmas lights and music festivities.
I set up a facebook page: The Secret A Treasure Hunt (New Orleans) Byron Preiss
Just posted a few of todays photos. Its just a page for me to quickly post while im on the go. When i get home after the new year i will post more to the Q4T forums.

Reminder note. It may be important, given the clock face context, to consider any numbers 13-24 alternatively as 1-12. 19 would then be 7, 15 is 3, 21 is 9.

EDITED:
The character in the clock face could be a combination of both.
The ornate clock hand looks like a map of the Armstrong Park on top (north) then traveling south to Lafayette square, center of the clock.
On top are the entrance arch then moon bridges with reflections and then position of statues (owl eyes).
Backward G and L for Gilbert Lafayette.
At the center of the clock, Clay’s statue, then an eastward turn to Lafayette St. that ends up to a round circle at Fulton.
https://tinyurl.com/yd2ysq7k

Choice, i 100% agree that if it is Lafayette Sq then that is obviously namesakes but that is not enough to discount everywhere else if they too have a reasonable/logical explanation for namesakes.
I was curious about y’all’s explanation for the differences in the boy in the clock and the statue. If I could get past that, I would be way more behind the square. To me it is way too many differences to overcome without more explanation.

Kao, Fays delight The namesakes meeting Near this site
Fay
, La
Fay
-ette
Lafayette St and square also meet.

gManTexas

I’m pretty sure that the Big Ben clock face uses a IV for the four hour. Others do as well.
Could be a hint for Super Bowl IV, which was played in New Orleans @ Tulane.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_IV

The terms Big Ben and the Super Bowl haven’t been written or said together in 10 years…
Go Pats!!!!!!

BINGO

The terms Big Ben and the Super Bowl haven’t been written or said together in 10 years…
Go Pats!!!!!!

Lol!

Kao, agreed…there are others areas other than Lafayette Square where namesakes meet. But the clincher for me is the Geodesic Stone in Lafayette Square.

Let me preface this by saying that I DO NOT believe a casque is in Nashville. However, I was driving through downtown Nashville today, looked up, and saw this:
This is Mercury (or Hermes, depending on your inclination), affixed to the top of Union Station. Striking, eh? So I’m wondering if our “jockey” could be mimicking the pose of another Mercury statue somewhere.

forest_blight

This is Mercury (or Hermes, depending on your inclination), affixed to the top of Union Station. Striking, eh? So I’m wondering if our “jockey” could be mimicking the pose of another Mercury statue somewhere.

The Knights of Hermes… kinghts. Made floats since 1937 for the Mardi Gras Parade… floats. How many plays on theories is that idea? LOL.
BTW, that photo is remarkable.

He is floating isnt he?  I did some of my usual sloppy searching in trying to find the float routes but I got very confused when it looked like they change it up year to year.

Unknown

Unknown:
but I have to admit myslef that I am making huge jumps here, practically disregarding most of the associated verse and other established comments

No harm in disregarding the other established comments, if you think you have a more promising solution. However, and in my opinion, it’s a short list of verses that could apply to New Orleans, with ample evidence to suggest that #2 is the most likely. Of the rest, Verses 4 and 12 are no longer in play, and Verses 1, 8, 9, and 11 are spoken for with a high degree of certainty. That leaves Verses 3,5,6,7, and 12 to work with if you reject #2, and which one you pick depends on how much you like the fit of that verse to your solve, and also how much you dislike the solve typically associated with that verse. That is to say, not only do you like Verse 7 for New Orleans (as an example) but you also like Verse 7 for New Orleans better than Verse 7 for San Francisco, which seems to be the prevailing wisdom. Regardless of which way you go, one thing is certain and that is you ignore the verse and the information it contains at your own peril. If you can’t make a verse fit a city in a logical, one degree of separation kind of way, then you probably are working with the wrong verse, no matter how strong you think your visual matches might be.
Welcome to the hunt. And good luck.

Euhirudinea

You can put him on your “foes” list (User Control Panel) and then you don’t have to read his posts. Or you could, you know, just ignore him. It’s not like he can knock on your door and make you listen to him. Lots of different personality types on this Forum. That’s what makes it so interesting IMO.

“you were so cocky and 100 sure you knew where it was so much you were crying
then it was 70%sure
now it is pretty sure
maybe you should just shut your mouth until you have something to share
what an ass”
Yeah, that’s not interesting. That’s just just a whiny, little bitchboy. I’ve done nothing to provoke that response.

drunknerds

Okay, help me out here:
Where do I look from here?
Also, I don’t agree that the bricks are a checkerboard match, BUT, zoom up from the intersection and you get this:
Looks like it might have the oddly asymmetrical pieces? Hard to tell from satellite.

Do you see the potted plant sitting in the middle of the little circle of the sidewalk? That is the circle of the little hand.
There is a tree to the left of the sidewalk and a Lamp to the left of that. Fays delight, from Verse 2, is that lamp. Delight meaning the New Orleans business District light,…District light, or D-light. I believe a line from the Lamp to the circle, closer to the circle would be a good spot. Another good spot would be on the other side of the sidewalk in line with the Lamp.
The brick pattern in the sidewalk is a square like on a checkerboard. It is not a checkerboard itself. But those squares connect to the small circle shape on the end of each corner of Lafayette Square.
Anyone poking in that area would probably have to deal with feeling tree roots, especially 35 years later. But keep in mind BP said the casques were buried “up to 3 feet deep”. They don’t necessarily have to be that deep.

gMan, I agree with what your saying but one of the things BP mentioned in interviews was being hurried from time to time, or having a cop inquire what he was doing.
And as I mentioned in the previous post, he said the Casques were buried “up to 3 ft deep”. Maybe this was one of the more shallow ones. After years of using a metal detector in various soils, clays and sands, I have become quite adept at quickly digging deep holes with my hand shovel-pick. I would definitely poke the ground for targets first before digging. Moving yards of material is no fun.

MrBackstop

How about this for some help renovator.
Here’s the key to what I see:
Fay means Lafayette. Lafayette Park and Lafayette street are the Namesakes meeting.
Gnomes admire. These are the 3 statues in Lafayette Park. All three of these men are gnomes. What many people don’t realize is that “gnomes” also refers to financial experts. McDonogh, Clay, and Franklin are all financial experts.
Another important piece I keep noticing in the Secret Images is the shape of a triangle or a triangle with a dot in the center. These US triangulation stations or markers are all over the country.
If you stand and face the Benjamin Franklin statue and look over to the grounds to the right you will notice a triangulation pyramid by that tree. And in the Image artwork you’ll notice a very light colored triangle at the bottom right of the grandfather clock.
My interpretation is that this represents a Forefather (Franklin statue) pointing in the direction of the triangulation pyramid where the casque is buried.
Thoughts?

Time for an adjustment to my thoughts on this Image.
At the time of my statement above I felt the forefather clock was the answer to Ben Franklins statue in Lafayette Square Conservancy. Now I can see that Ben was just a part of the background. After figuring out what the Big Hand on the clock is today, I have changed my dig spot to the opposite corner of that park. Also, this will solidify Lafayette Square as my solve.
As I looked at the face of the clock today and trying to figure out, like so many others on here, just what the hell is this Big Hand in the clock face, I realized that all hands on a clock turn in a complete circle. So I took the Image and turned it upside down. It smacked me in the face immediately. The Big Hand is one of the lamp posts on the streets of the business district surrounding Lafayette Square.
So, the Big Hand pointing to the 12 as well as the jewel in the Armstrong arch is an upside down lamp post. Along with the letter “V” in PRESERVATION,pointing to the center of the clock hands here is my updated dig spot.
The center of the clock hands is the McDonogh statue. The boy on the clock face is the boy on the McDonogj statue. The clock shape itself is the Henry Clay pedestal in the center of Lafayette Square and the Franklin statue is the idea of the overall “Forefather/Grandfather Clock.
The small hand pointing to the 3 is the sidewalk path to the corner of St Charles and S. Maestri. If you use google earth street view and place yourself at this corner you can see the lamppost to the left and the little circle of the small hand, to the right, on the corner of the sidewalk. Also notice the sidewalk pattern has a brick pattern of big checker squares, …just like the background of Image 7.
My updated dig spot is between that lamp post and the circle on the sidewalk at the corner of St Charles and S. Maestri.
Has any of our New Orleans diggers dug in this unassuming spot?

Okay, help me out here:
Where do I look from here?
Also, I don’t agree that the bricks are a checkerboard match, BUT, zoom up from the intersection and you get this:
Looks like it might have the oddly asymmetrical pieces? Hard to tell from satellite.

Whenever you use things like lamp posts, planters, trees, etc. keep in mind that you have to go back to where things were and what things looked like in 1981-1982. Just post-Katrina here are a few things that have been done to Lafayette park that could impact our clues:
Removal of seven trees downed in Katrina (including removal/grinding of stumps)
Installation of a fully automatic irrigation system
Removal of wood bollards (replaced with “historically accurate” iron bollards)
Installation of human and dog water fountains (including new underground plumbing necessary to hook up the fountains to the water system)
Planted four new oak trees to replace those lost in the storm
Installed new sculpture (Eye Benches IV)
Added eight benches and six trash receptacles
Installed new lighting at the four corners of the park and around the three central statues
Leveled, prepped, and planted all new turf (grass) in the park
Removed nine diseased trees
Planted 62 new bushes
Removed and replaced the granite paving in the park (which had been installed in 1984 for the World’s Fair, so even the previous version was different than when Priess was there)
Installed an entirely new irrigation system (to replace the fully automatic one already mentioned)
So just in the last 10 years there has been a heck of a lot of digging, feature changing, etc. in this park. And that doesn’t even cover anything that might have happened between Priess’s visit and 2006 which weren’t documented in the source I used.

Thanks for all that info Mindy, good stuff.
I try not to use trees as much as possible. Although I do believe there is an important one in Milwaukee, my key reference here is the Lamp post itself and over to the little circle in the corner of the sidewalk.

MrBackstop

Time for an adjustment to my thoughts on this Image.
At the time of my statement above I felt the forefather clock was the answer to Ben Franklins statue in Lafayette Square Conservancy. Now I can see that Ben was just a part of the background. After figuring out what the Big Hand on the clock is today, I have changed my dig spot to the opposite corner of that park. Also, this will solidify Lafayette Square as my solve.
As I looked at the face of the clock today and trying to figure out, like so many others on here, just what the hell is this Big Hand in the clock face, I realized that all hands on a clock turn in a complete circle. So I took the Image and turned it upside down. It smacked me in the face immediately. The Big Hand is one of the lamp posts on the streets of the business district surrounding Lafayette Square.
So, the Big Hand pointing to the 12 as well as the jewel in the Armstrong arch is an upside down lamp post. Along with the letter “V” in PRESERVATION,pointing to the center of the clock hands here is my updated dig spot.
The center of the clock hands is the McDonogh statue. The boy on the clock face is the boy on the McDonogj statue. The clock shape itself is the Henry Clay pedestal in the center of Lafayette Square and the Franklin statue is the idea of the overall “Forefather/Grandfather Clock.
The small hand pointing to the 3 is the sidewalk path to the corner of St Charles and S. Maestri. If you use google earth street view and place yourself at this corner you can see the lamppost to the left and the little circle of the small hand, to the right, on the corner of the sidewalk. Also notice the sidewalk pattern has a brick pattern of big checker squares, …just like the background of Image 7.
My updated dig spot is between that lamp post and the circle on the sidewalk at the corner of St Charles and S. Maestri.
Has any of our New Orleans diggers dug in this unassuming spot?

I see the exact spot you are talking about. I’d like for you to zoom out and look at Lafayette Square. You are talking about digging a 3 foot deep hole at least a foot around, if you happen to get lucky and are directly over the casque. It’s more likely it ends up like Cleveland and you are moving many cubic feet of dirt over the course of hours. Can you honestly convince yourself that it is buried there, right by the street in a tiny park, with heavy pedestrian and vehicle traffic? Not to mention that it is flanked on all sides by federal buildings. I don’t think it’s an unassuming location.
I see the appeal of Lafayette Square, but I don’t see the practicality.

MrBackstop

Thanks for all that info Mindy, good stuff.
I try not to use trees as much as possible. Although I do believe there is an important one in Milwaukee, my key reference here is the Lamp post itself and over to the little circle in the corner of the sidewalk.

Just keep in mind that area of pavers has been redone twice since the casque was buried. It would be worth trying to dig up pictures of what it looked like before the 1984 changes to be sure there was any type of design feature there.

drunknerds

Okay, help me out here:
Where do I look from here?
Also, I don’t agree that the bricks are a checkerboard match, BUT, zoom up from the intersection and you get this:
Looks like it might have the oddly asymmetrical pieces? Hard to tell from satellite.

the building you’re referring to as the checkerboard pattern was erected in the early 2000s. It wasn’t there in 1980.

Oh how easily we’ve forgotten. If this isn’t our clock boy I’ll eat my hat.

I cannot find this posted anywhere in this thread. Has anyone noticed this geodetic stone before in Lafayette Square?
http://www.waymarking.com/gallery/image … 6ba7d023ee
After realizing some mistakes and assumptions on my part were off track I’m working my New solve. This marker locks me in to Lafayette Square. Thanks to all for your info thus far. This stone is the square part of the face of the clock.

MrBackstop

I cannot find this posted anywhere in this thread. Has anyone noticed this geodetic stone before in Lafayette Square?
http://www.waymarking.com/gallery/image … 6ba7d023ee
After realizing some mistakes and assumptions on my part were off track I’m working my New solve. This marker locks me in to Lafayette Square. Thanks to all for your info thus far. This stone is the square part of the face of the clock.

Its been spotted by people and nee orleans and has been probed to death and back. If you flip the clock so that the latitude longitudd match up then the second hand points straight up leading me to beleive you need to look past it possibly. I will be checking it out in person soon. But i personally think its a match.

MrSeabass

I think ‘standard geometric shape = standard geometric shape’ is a very poor and anbiguous match, IMO.

100% agree. The issue most times is balancing our abstract notions when we develop a perspective in view of that non-unique type shape.
I think Preiss must’ve made a distinction for some physically unique shapes to make this a process of confirmation rather than a process if ambiguity.
In cases where he does use a standard shape, I believe there’s a combination aspect to it where two or more of the shapes anchored together match exactly from a given viewpoint like when you see both spires of Mike’s city hall from E State street. Or the wall and columns being centered in Cleveland.

It’s creative…and I hate to repeat the cynic’s mantra of “If there was anything in it they’d have found it by now”…but it does seem to me that the lines convey a pretty clear meaning, and its interpretation is not readily apparent at this site.

Glossiphoniidae

only three stand watch – the three doors?? the three people in the murals??

It’s a fun thought, though since there are two sets there are six of them really…
As we all know, there’s a danger of overthinking this.
At the place where jewels abound
Fifteen rows down to the ground
In the middle of twenty-one
From end to end
Dig spot by a wall?
Only three stand watch
As the sound of friends
Fills the afternoon hours
Park with three things, probably people or creatures, represented in some way.
Here is a sovereign people
Who build palaces to shelter
Their heads for a night!
Image gives us New Orleans, this ties the verse to that image.
Gnomes admire
Fays delight
The namesakes meeting
Near this site.
A lot of this stuff like “Where jewels abound” (the casque?), “As the sound of friends fills the afternoon hours” (park?) and “Fays delight” (French image, French fairies) might either be throwaway lines, of little significance, or so vague that it could be anywhere.
Perhaps all we need is some overlooked pointer to a particular park where we’ll find the mystery wall. Eg, maybe Audubon mentioned “abounding with gems” or something, and we find the wall in Audubon park, or whatever, and that’s all there is to it.
Clock boy has been considered as a dig spot confirmer, but remember that the two known dig spot confirmers were
right there
, a few feet away. You can’t dig a few feet away from clock boy. He might have no more significance than Joan or Louis.

In the middle of twenty-one – United States of America
from end to end – On each end of the Federal Building
only three stand watch –
the three doors?? the three people in the murals??
Directly across from Lafayette Square.

While this fits the phrase, I think that when a verse is specifying a position in a numbered group (“In the middle of twenty-one, from end to end, only three stand watch.”) we’re being pointed to the exact dig location–a place we could stick our shovel–and not the general area.
Something else to consider about these lines: are the three that stand watch three of the twenty-one, or a group of three things in the middle of twenty-one other objects?

WR and ttops, you are both right. But, if clockboy is a confirmer, use the 3 doors standing under the 21 letters on
his
side (as opposed to the other). I realize it’s not an “x marks the spot” type direction to the dig site, but chicago’s didn’t seem to be either, nor do many of the unsolved verses. Use the fact that the middle of 21 is an exact spot (both in letter count and in total word length, it is the same spot), and it is pointed to by the short hand:
So, if you went directly across from the middle of 21, you’d be here… a decent dig spot in the 80’s:
http://goo.gl/maps/oGGhh
Just sayin’, it could be an exact spot alignment rather than a random interpretation.

Also, consider this, but I don’t know if there’s cement back there… probably…
1 – in the middle of 21 three stand watch
2 – the long pole in the image
3 – locked fence with 15 spires (
http://goo.gl/maps/o2CHm
)
The image does show a lock, the spires look like the hand pointing to 12, and the circles at the base of the same hand match the circles on the doors under the 21 (
http://goo.gl/maps/Hgkwl
), maybe even the cirlces on the image’s clock itself.

Along the same lines as the possible house window match found in Cleveland. This building is on the same corner of the park on St. Charles.

Here’s the streetview taken about midway on the line where we connect the circular plaque of Morazan to the circular window on the top of the Alamo-like facade of the church building,
The final step in understanding this puzzle involves finding the casque where the knight lands in the middle of the neutral ground,

Frisco

That seems to be all you do around here. 30-something posts in a year and most of them devoted to erexere.
I hear there’s also a treasure hunt going on.

While I understand that you do not like to hear people be critical of other people, I think you are not understanding the criticism regarding this one particular member on our boards.
It appears that he just posted 8 consecutive times prior to my post here. I blocked him, so I do not know (nor care) what he posted.
The criticism is this: If someone makes a gazillion posts and floods the boards, it makes it incredibly difficult for newcomers – or anyone else for that matter – to read what others have posted. Most people – especially newcomers – would not know how to block someone, or even if they should block a particular person, just because they post a lot. What makes it even worse, though, is that IMHO, 99% of what he posts is totally off-base. So, it is now virtually impossible for a newcomer to “catch up” on the hunt, mostly because of one person – which is a shame.
I think the person in question is very intelligent, but again IMHO – he is posting things that are way off base (mostly because they are so complicated – something BP would not have done, again, IMHO).
I hope this is not taken the wrong way – I am just trying to explain the frustration that is out there.

Wow, Egbert. How embarrasing that you would make any argument based on “baseless” content that you are ignoring. I’d be willing to discuss any specifics. A polite conversation should always be possible.
I’m investigating this puzzle with a lot of enthusiasm. I’m very appreciative of any criticisms that lead towards keeping or discarding a particular approach.

This is a basic attempt to see how the number 19 could be connected to a degree measure. We already consider numbers 29 and 90 to be lat/long degrees, so I placed a compass tool on the image and discovered a line of interest when connecting opposite sides of the moon-mouth crescents. I then studied some of the relationship of a square matched to the diameter of the inner circle of the clock numbers. This looks interesting, so I wondered if anyone could pitch in on what this might be telling us,

…just been catching up with the V7 theory for this image and came across another Blanche connection – the mother of
St Louis
of cathedral fame was
Blanche of Castile
. She features in a stained-glass window in the cathedral from fave date 1929.
http://travelphotobase.com/f/LANVJC/LAN1251.HTM
V7 is an appealing theory – shame there’s nowhere obvious to stash the thing. The French quarter has got everything going on.
Back in Lafayetteland, “The air smells sweet” reminded me of the
Sugar Bowl
again.
(19 complete stars to the left of the moon – left number – and 8 to the right. Might crop up somewhere.)

hope its not too out of your way
can you go from preservation hall up st peter
onto basin
onto orleans
turn right onto marconi
pass city park
to lake shore( where the jewels abound)
turn left
go to the mardigras fountain
and could you please take pictures of all the crewe tiles. (I cant find pictures of them anywhere.
look around there for any thing that counts 21.
and 15 rows of bricks in a wall or something.

I’m sitting in Louis Armstrong park right now, drinking a daqueri. It’s a nice park, but man oh man is there absolutely nothing here related to this hunt. The only thing at all is the arc of lights when you first walk in
This isn’t “my” hunt. I’ve been to Jackson (nothing really works there either with any of the most liked NO verses, and even in the 80s it’s so busy, small, and central that I’m not sure) and the other parks down here. There are horse head hitching posts all over the place that look like our horse head, but I have yet to find any with an open mouth.
Does anyone want anything specifically checked out? I’m spending tomorrow at city park.

Hi there….this is my first post about the hunt, so i’ll get right to the point.
As soon as I saw the high-res scan of this picture, I thought about Louis Armstrong Park.  Several reasons: First, the shape of the clock top is the shape of the arch over the entrance and the bridge. Second, the little “horse head” picture in the lower right, to me looked like a howling wolf–and Howlin’ Wolf is a name associated with jazz. It’s also the name of a club in New Orleans.
http://www.howlin-wolf.com/
It’s also suggestive of a chess knight–and Chess was the name of a record label that recorded black music and jazz/blues; Howlin’ Wolf recorded on this label.
http://www.howlinwolf.com/images/chess/wolf_(chess1
).htm (See label)
Also, the numbers around the clock, 19, 29–which to me said 1929 at first (before I realized it was part of the latitude/longitude) which is a year significant to Armstrong–he broke out into the national scene in the year 1929 after having played with local bands until then. The years 1929 -1941 were among his greatest recording years, and there is a CD that bears that designation.
That horse/wolf head was significant in another way too–it reminded me of the first place I’d ever seen Armstrong park: in the hunt called “Treasure, the search for the Golden Horse.”  There’s an entire segment filmed in Armstrong park. I’m still researching other factors in this image.
I don’t know if there’s been a concensus on the verse that matches this image..I’m voting for V7, unless there’s some rule that says you can’t have the same number as the image. I’ve ordered my book but haven’t received it yet.
c

Welcome to
The Secret
, shecrab!
The Howlin’ Wolf Club was established in December, 1988, 6 years after
The Secret
was published. Howlin’ Wolf was also the trade name of blues artist Chester Arthur Burnett, who died 6 years before
The Secret
was published. I cannot find anything that links him to New Orleans, though.
There is no rule prohibiting coinciding V/P numbers. In fact, we know V4 is paired with P4.

It wasn’t that it (The Howlin’ Wolf) connected so much as
reminded
me of certain aspects of music and NO. The little head reminded me of the club logo. Since I knew of the club, I thought of the city.
I’m not convinced the head is a horse’s head–on the surface it might be, but you rarely see them with their mouths open so wide.
c

I am brand new to the forum. I too live in New Orleans and found out about this earlier in the week. I am quite certain that I know where the casque is. I went to the location yesterday and low and behold it’s like looking at the picture. If I am right, the picture even tells you where it is down to the inch.

I am not blowing smoke up anyone’s butt. I know where it is within a about a 20 by 30 yard radius. I went back yesterday to prod for it but didn’t get any definitive results. The issue is I don’t think I will get permission to dig in that spot because it’s a quite literally one of the most historic spots in the country. Just prodding I was hitting bricks and items that are probably of significant archaeological importance so I’m feeling ambivalent about continuing to even prod for it again. Although significant construction has been done in the location at one time.
If it pisses someone off that I am making the claim, well I guess they’ll have to be pissed because I have found the location down to 20 by 30 yard area. It is right next to a landmark (building) very slyly identified in the painting. There are two aspects of the painting that are definitive tells as to the location once you get in the general area. But you would never know what it means until you’re standing right there on top of it…you can’t do this from Google Earth (although it helps one to get there). It HAS to be this location because it identifies a New Orleans topographical trait that simply doesn’t exist anywhere else. It was actually a brilliant clue.
So, to be clear, I said I have found the location down to a very small plot of dirt. I didn’t say I have found the casque burial spot within that plot of land. And I am almost positive I won’t get permission to dig there. I could probably just do it and get away with it but I don’t want to take a chance on damaging anything in that spot because it’s sacred ground in New Orleans. I have a friend who does surveying and he uses GPR routinely so I’m going to find out how much that would cost and see if I can get permission to do at least that if I share the results with the entities who maintain the area. Even if they won’t allow me to dig at least I want to locate the exact (or where I think) burial spot via GPR.
I will say that I think the clock face has another hidden clue…the clock hands and possibly 90 could mean 90 degree turn from the landmark building (I know 90 is also the latitude coordinate). I think 19 may be significant to denote “The middle of 21, end to end”. I think of the 21, 19 may be the actual spot but it’s not very clear on which end one should start counting. From one end, the 19th of the 21 is right in the middle of the area.
If anyone here actually knows the location they know exactly what I’m referring to here.
It’s also worth noting that it looks like other people have put markers out as well, so I know I’m not the only one who knows the general spot.

Unknown

Unknown:
The issue is I don’t think I will get permission to dig in that spot because it’s a quite literally one of the most historic spots in the country.

So you subscribe to the notion that Preiss would have buried something of relatively little value in “one of the most historic spots in the country”? And expected other(s) to go and dig in “one of the most historic spots in the country” in the hopes of finding it? In “one of the most historic spots in the country”? Really?

Catty bunch here, huh?
I believe at the time he buried it, it wasn’t as “controlled” as it is now. I mean digging anywhere without permission inside a city is risky but in this area it very much is. The entire Quarter/CBD is historic and there are parks and areas built on burial sites.
And from the IM, I’m having trouble responding via IM but it is not City Park. It’s within the areas that have already been mentioned on this forum and others.

Dambala

Catty bunch here, huh?

Hey Dambala, applaud your efforts and wish you the best of luck! This forum has always been based on open collaboration, so people who post about locations they’re not willing to reveal will ruffle some feathers. It’s understandable if you’re not willing to share it yet, but in that case you might prefer to keep it to yourself until you’ve got something you can talk about.

Thanks man, and I will tell you guys where it is and why it has to be there as soon as I can find out from the officials if I can or can’t dig there. I’m not trying to be a dick, it’s just that my daughter and I put a lot of time in to it and it was incredibly fun for us. If I can dig and get it I want her to be the one holding it if it reveals itself. I don’t really care about it past that. I’m headed back there right now to prod some more.
I’m actually a journalist and videographer. I will make a video showing you guys how the clues work…it’s not as complicated as many people made it but you absolutely have to be here and have a knowledge of the City to understand what path he took. I lived in the Quarter for 3 years so there were clues there that I immediately recognized. The whole thing is literally a stroll from one namesake to the next, as stated in Verse 2. My daughter and I walked it and when we got to the end the “Aha!” moment was right there under our feet….it was brilliant.
I will post again after I get back. I don’t think I will be able to locate it with the prod because there are too many possibilities in that 20 by 30 yard area but I’m going to give it a try any way.

I’m excited to hear your solution and see the casque, Dambala! Don’t let the haters get you down! The older members are just mad that you figured it out before they did.
People do come to the forums and say they have the “for sure” solution and then disappear so I can imagine why they would be skeptical, but there’s no reason for them to be as rude to you as they were.
Good luck! If it were me, I would just go at night and not ask. It’s easier to ask for forgiveness than permission. Just make sure it looks exactly like it was when you got there if you can’t find it. Use a ground probe first before digging! (They can be found at hardware stores or online)

Thanks! I can tell you I don’t think it’s possible to figure it out without physically being here. There’s no way my daughter and I could have figured it out without having spent all day walking the route. That was what made it so amazing.

Steph53282

Don’t let the haters get you down! The older members are just mad that you figured it out before they did.

Unknown

Unknown:
Good luck! If it were me, I would just go at night and not ask. It’s easier to ask for forgiveness than permission. Just make sure it looks exactly like it was when you got there if you can’t find it. Use a ground probe first before digging! (They can be found at hardware stores or online)

That’s just it… we are tired of hearing that someone “figured it out.” We’ve all “figured it out” many times over. “Figuring it out” is much different than digging one up. Understanding that you haven’t “figured it out” until you’ve dug it up is why the “older members” get so mad when they hear it and, frankly, what makes them “older” members.
Agree completely.

Xieish

Malted, I have your pics, it’ll take me some time to get them up. I’m almost positive this is the wrong spot, but it was a neat foutain
We rode bikes all around city park to get around easier.

Sound like lots of fun!

I have a critical update: I no longer put any faith into my Tomb#21 solve. Anyone following these boards and performing their own “unsanctioned” activities should be fully aware that my little Basin street theory ended up being wrong. I sure liked some of the ideas, especially the fun times I had researching parade routes for Krewes Rex and others. I still like Mr. Bingles as a better example of the clock boy than the pose of the child on the McDonough statue.
At the risk of being a complete wanker, I will share that based on a recent correspondence and proof (or claim), I know definitively where I went wrong, which has helped me take a closer look at something based on Egbert’s findings. (To Egbert: i’d PM you directly unless the hacking isnt too much a worry). I have an new and exact spot in mind now. What sux tho is I dont think I can successfully get the solution across to another person except for a select few. I can only consider planning a trip and doing the dig myself.

Malted, I have your pics, it’ll take me some time to get them up. I’m almost positive this is the wrong spot, but it was a neat foutain
We rode bikes all around city park to get around easier.

drunknerds

Can anyone tell me anything about this bust: {image}
It’s in Armstrong park, but I can find no info on it. Can’t even find it in image search

I believe you are pointing to the “Sidney Bechet” bust, unveiled in May 6, 1997.
(btw, this was discussed in this thread back in 2008)
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burnstyle

And that’s where I break from everyone here. I don’t think Preiss was good enough at this to have a method.

I also disagree. The whole concept had a method, which is outlined in the book. There is a whole backstory in the beginning of the book regarding the Fair People, the logistics of traveling to these places and hiding the casques, etc. etc.
I also believe that while this hunt did not have the same hysteria as the Masquerade, as BP had hoped for, if his methods were terrible, the casques would have been found long ago.

Euhirudinea

Sorry Backstop, missed this the first time around. There is a lot more new information recently, so it’s harder to keep up.
Unfortunaley, most of that information is speculative (what if, I think, etc.) and it is really hard to argue against that. For example, you think that there is a connection between triangles and the US Geodetic Survey Markers which is fine. Except that most of the Survey Markers are round, and not all of them have triangles. And that neither the Chicago or Cleveland solves required them in any way. Which is not to say that they might not be relevant where they do exist (Charleston or New Orleans as examples). But if they are in some, and not in others, then the argument that you are really making is that each puzzle, more or less, stands on its own. Find the relevant Image, combine it with a Verse that you like, follow the clues and dig up a casque. Basically, it’s trial and error, and I just don’t think the puzzle works that way. But I had to move a lot of dirt to come to that conclusion, and until #3 is found, I can’t really say that my ideas on how the puzzles work are any better than yours (or anyone else’s for that matter).

I don’t necessarily think there is a connection between geodetic markers in all the images but these could have been used by Preiss in his secrets. And of course there are all kinds of geodetic markers and shapes. But what is noticeable in these Images is the use of triangles which is an important symbol to the Freemasons.
A perfect example is the triangle in the Cleveland solve. The triangle on the stone globe points directly to the aquamarine and then to the dig spot. Freemason symbols are all over these Images. It doesn’t mean that a Triangle will point to the stone in every Image but I find this happening in a few I have studied. San Francisco lady has Freemason symbols across the top of her cloak as a perfect example. Now they might not be in every one but purposeful triangles are and crosses are.
Thanks for the input, the hunt goes on.

As a guy who has designed puzzles professionally, which may make me an authority on the situation but also might make me totally out of touch with humans, I think it’s a bit of both columns
I like how Preiss made a walking tour that had to be deciphered. That was genius. But, while he had several redundant references and landmarks on the voyage to the spot, the spot itself is painfully ambiguous. I see why he did it: fear of being discovered too soon, but that’s where you make your obscure clues like burying hints in Abroad in America. He had the tools and used them mostly correctly, but the final points were severely lacking.

drunknerds

,… the spot itself is painfully ambiguous. … He had the tools and used them mostly correctly, but the final points were severely lacking.

I’m with you there.

gManTexas

I’m with you there.

I really think it hurt Preiss’ execution that MAsquerade came out in 1979, but wasn’t solved until 1983. So during the 1979-1982 time period when Preiss was developing this book, the successful treasure hunt paradigm appeared to be “make it unsolvable,” when in fact it turned out to be “make the final digging point really, really, really specific”

Unknown

Unknown:
but the final points were severely lacking.

Is this an analysis of the two solved puzzles, or the ten remaining puzzles? Or both?

We started a new post with our idea after our dig this morning. This was our only shot because we live 4 hours away, so we are sharing everything we’ve found. Please go take a look, and let us know what you think. We just want New Orleans to be found!

I dont think Ive mentioned this here yet, but the letter V in PRESERVATION may be of special significance given the way the clock hands are pointing directly at it. I think V is for Amerigo Vespucci, the Italian explorer and source of the America’s namesakes.

Judgeing from the imageit looks like either Armstrong Park or City Park is the New Orleans casque location. Jackson Square was gated shut after hours so despitde some possible evidence to Jackson Square it is not likely to be the location.
Of the two I would say City Park is more likely because what I have seen of Armstrong park I do not see anything that looked as though it matched or could have matched the verse.

I used to think the Mardi Gras mask was just to confirm New Orleans. I now think that the face is an exact representation of whoever the namesakes meetin is. If we can match this face to an exact statue bust etc we have likely found or will be very close to the place to dig.
I further think this because their are alot of clues to New Orleans in the image but relatively little to indicate a park. The Jackson Square idea is one to consider but even back then it would have been hard to get in a burry a casque in the middle of the night.
My interpritation of the image is this: the coordinates of new orleans are in the corners of the clock, the word preservation is a clue to New Orleans and the clock face is either not a clue or a repsentation of Jackson Square/St Louis Cathedral. Locals would know though that he could not sneak into Jackson Square in the middle of the night and burrie a casque. I think the Peter Pan like image on the clock is a clue to City Park as is the checkerboard background (Storyland). The mardi Gras mask is of a spacific person and statute, bust etc that will get you to or close enough to the dig site that it could be seen from this statue bust etc.
If we ever see what JJP looked at to paint the mask we will find the casque.
I will revisit New Orleans later for now I am working on St. Louis and Charlston I think I am close on both.

the mask looks like one of those molds, for plaster models i think thats what they are called.
looking around i found this…
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/1727111
of louis armstrong they kinda look alike, anyway good idea that, the mask may look like someone

scottrocks7

If we ever see what JJP looked at to paint the mask we will find the casque.

I’ve mentioned this before, but i see a great resemblence with the Sidney Bechet Monument in Congo Square, a part of Armstrong Park.
link to one image
another image at
http://www.gnocdc.org/IMAGES-nbhd/iberv … uare-t.jpg
The statue is just a head on a stalk, and the facial features are a good fit (and not in that “they all look alike to me” way).
For more information about this section of the park and its significance, visit these sites:
http://www.soulofamerica.com/index.php? … 60,0,0,1,0
http://jocelyn.richez.free.fr/NOjazz.html
On that last link, you’ll also notice an “arc of lights” at the entrance to Armstrong Park, if we would like to remap verse 5 to this image.

I absolutely love that concept catherwood.  The mask/face does look like old sydney bechet.  I can even see how it resembles the pedestal that the head sits on.  Something sticking out of the ground with a face on it…..like it alot.  It all goes back to Presecvation Hall where these faces will haunt the place forever.
Maybe the dead hand that holds the mask is suppose to represent just that.  The spirit.

The Sidney Bechet bust was unveiled May 6, 1997.

You are a bummer FB.

forest_blight

The Sidney Bechet bust was unveiled May 6, 1997.

The bust itself is a replica of the famous 1960 original in Juan-les-Pins, France. — Let’s all go dig up France!
btw, the original even looks white in this photo, like our mask:
http://www.student-job-france.com/image … bechet.jpg

fox, we see something too, here. and purple is mardi gras color.
wilhouse

…yeah, it reminded me of the Cleveland setup, though that particular bed might be too exposed. I have a tendency to leap on things I think I see in the picture and say: “It’s there!” But even if it is in the picture, it might only be a clue to the general area. This park is my favourite spot for New Orleans at the moment though. It’s near enough to Lafayette for clock-boy to be seen as a clue, but it looks a better place to dig.

I’m struggling to find anything definite about when the fountain was built. I guess city hall and planning office might have the records.
As far as I understand it mayor Morial began putting his name on everything immediately after he was elected including the Dutch Alley around 1978.
Look under “World famous Dutch Alley”
https://www.frenchmarket.org/history/

Yes creating a more “pedestrian friendly” alley was one of his big projects. The French Market as a whole had undergone quite a bit of renovation in the late 70s and the alley became his pet project starting not long after. I think it was officially renamed Dutch Alley in the mid-80s as a result of his work, but I can’t remember the exact year.

If anyone local is curious I’m sure they’ll check with the planning department and get the definite answer to when the fountain was built. Who cares if it was named Dutch alley or not! Also a picture of the original backdrop would be nice. Maybe it will answer the 15 rows down. I just have the later image. It maybe the same. Who knows? I know who, the planning department!
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mariska

I’ve always read this as :
Gnomes admire : other word for admire is ‘court’
Fays delight: other word for delight is ‘appeal”
This takes me to the Court of Appeals

Hey that’s cool. This is fun!
Fays delight = delight fays = the light fades
Gnomes admire = revere gnomes = river’s name = Mississippi = Mrs. sippy (cup)

Choice

Gnomes admire
Fays delight
The namesakes meeting
Near this site.
As I mentioned before the key to solving this puzzle may be to hit the English/French translator.
Namesakes translated to French are homonymes.

I’ve always read this as :
Gnomes admire : other word for admire is ‘court’
Fays delight: other word for delight is ‘appeal”
This takes me to the Court of Appeals

Evidently King Louis IX led the Seventh Crusade against a Sultanate largely composed of Egyptian and Turkic people. He was captured and ransomed for his freedom.
I think BP did some of this historical research in order to apply the France theme to theTurquoise puzzle.

Something of interest might be the King Louis IX of France is best known as “Saint Louis”. He was born in 1215, though the time on the clock is almost 12:00:15. From what I’ve gathered so far, he was a very good king, crowned king at age 12, his mother Blanche was regent til his adulthood. He was also a great builder of cathedrals, churches, and libraries.

Yeah….was. I doubt we’ll ever find anything in Nola.
As the song says, “they’re tryin’ to wash us away..”  I think they (Katrina, etc.) already did. Sadly.

has anyone noticed the statue figure in square H2 next to the clock?
it appears to be a knight in armor

jhwebste

has anyone noticed the statue figure in square H2 next to the clock?
it appears to be a knight in armor

That actually does look like the bronze statues at the Gallier Hall portico.
The flame below it in the lighter square could be the torch she’s holding.

I’m fairly certain those lampposts were replaced/updated in 2010 so hopefully the casque is far enough away that it wasn’t disturbed (but not so far away that it got dug up in the installation of the underground sprinkler system). I can’t find any old reference pictures to see how extensive the lighting upgrade was.

Okay, Lets roll into Lafayette Square. Here is a copy of my post on Verse 2:
At the place where jewels abound
New Orleans, Mardi Gras
Fifteen rows down to the ground
New Orleans Jazz walking tour consists of 15 Jazz “row houses’ and buildings running on St. Charles Avenue from Clio to Canal.
https://www.nps.gov/jazz/learn/historyc
… tte-bd.pdf
In the middle of twenty-one
From end to end
Lafayette Square is in the middle of 21 blocks from the Superdome and the Mississippi.
Only three stand watch
Hebert Federal Building “Flood Control” limestone sculpture
http://www.bing.com/images/search?view=
… ajaxhist=0
As the sound of friends
Fills the afternoon hours
People coming to visit Lafayette Square
Here is a sovereign people
Gallier Hall is the old New Orleans City Hall and has seen many Mayors during the years that would be the Sovereign people in this verse (rulers).
Who build palaces to shelter
Their heads for a night!
Others have stated that this is in reference to the St. Charles Hotel which no longer exists because of an excerpt listed on wiki from the book Abroad in America: visitors to the new nation. I’m more inclined to go with a building that was around while BP was standing in Lafayette Square. Their heads for the night! (with an exclamation point) refers to jail cells that would be in City Hall or perhaps the US Court of Appeals.
Gnomes admire
Fays delight
Statues of McDonogh, Franklin and Clay are the Financial Gnomes observing Lafayette Square’s Beauty.
The namesakes meeting
Near this site.
Lafayette Street runs into Layfayette Square.
Image 7 ———–
Lafayette Square Conservancy
Louis Armstrong Mask
This mask if very important if you understand it for what it is….a mask. ….not the real thing. Priess was acknowledging the great Louis Armstrong with the mask and the arch shape design at the top of the clock but letting us know that this is not the real treasure spot. I’ll get to the hand holding the mask later.
Checkerboard Background
This photo contains the location for where idea for the Checkerboard Background came. It also contains the Central Business District lamp post which is the Big Hand on the clock.
http://photos.wikimapia.org/p/00/01/35/68/61_big.jpg
While looking at some photos one day I noticed the maroon squares on the Hebert Building and there it was right in front of me, the Checkerboard pattern and color. I’ve looked everyone and not been able to find any reference to this previously.
The flat and wavy pattern of the background has been discussed before but I believe the flat New Orleans typography is represented by the top half of the background and the wavier bottom represents the Mississippi River.
Let’s build a Forefather Clock
The wood at the top is a common architecture feature in New Orleans. We can find this style in the
windows of Soule College
across the street from Lafayette Square.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8378/8528 … 9bf4_z.jpg
The actual square base back of the clock face is the
Geodetic Stone
listing the latitude and longitude.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ … odetic.JPG
Priess could have created the idea of the
2 flowers
on the clock from the John Minor Wisdom US Court of Appeals building facing the park. These flowers are carved all over this building’s entrances. These aren’t the actual flowers on Image 7 but the idea is there.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ … ircuit.jpg
Upside Down #41
on left side of clock in the wood could be representative of the USS New Orleans that was involved in the Attack on Pearl Harbor in WWIIl but that’s highly speculative. If you have a better idea please chime in.
“PRES”
on the underside wood of the clock face is for the man in the middle of Lafayette Square, Henry Clay. He ran for President 4 times and lost all 4 elections. Each letter in PRES represents his 4 attempts.
29 and 90
are the latitude and longitude numbers….we all know this.
19
has been the big mystery and I believe I’ve solved it. Marquis de Lafayette, for whom the Square is named, came to America to fight in the Revolutionary War and became a Major General at age 19. He was commissioned an officer in his native France at age 13.
Mask Covers the VI and VII on the clock
– The VIII is partially visible but the 6 & 7 are blocked for a good reason. The St. Charles Theater used to sit on land in the square and was destroyed twice before being rebuilt the 3rd time. The Theater was demolished in 1967.
The
Full Moon
at the top of the clock is the Superdome. How do we know that? Do you see the
8 white dots
in the blue arch? When the Superdome was opened in 1975 it was referred to as the 8th Wonder of the World. Of course many man-made items have been called that before and I’m sure many more will be in the future.
Now, notice the partial stars (4) around the jewel, I’ll put those on the back burner for now. But, the
full stars
are what caught my attention. As a kid growing up that star meant one thing to a sports fan…..Dallas Cowboys. Hate ’em or love ’em they played in the first Super Bowl (XII) held at the Louisiana Superdome and beat the Denver Broncos 27-10 in 1978. Go ahead and count the stars, I know you want to.
As we look from one end of the square to the other starting with the
McDonogh monument
, the boy is partially responsible for the man in period clothing in the center of the clock. I say partially because the picture is of a man, not a boy. And this man is also representing
Henry Clay
who you can see here with one arm forward and the other hanging toward the back of his body on the pedestal.
http://www.aviewoncities.com/img/neworl … 10046s.jpg
The other part of the clock is the statue at the other end of the park,
Ben Franklin
. One of the Country’s Forefathers. And this is where I came up with the term Forefather Clock instead of Grandfather Clock.
The
Circular Base of the Clock
in Image 7 is the base of the Henry Clay Statue in the middle of Lafayette Square.
The word
PRESERVATION
is simply representing the fact that Lafayette Square is an area set apart for protection.
The Big Hand, as previously noted, is one of the lamp posts that is unique to the Central Business District.
The little hand is my Actual Dig Spot. The little circle on the little hand is the target.
If you stand at the base of the Henry Clay statue facing the Hebert Federal Building you can look up and see the Checkerboard pattern of the building. If you look at ground level and take your eyes back to the Hebert Building to the left you will see this:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4043/4570 … b557_z.jpg
These are the “Only three stand watch” in the Verse.
If you look at ground level just to the right center of the building you will see this:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2452/3716 … 71fe_b.jpg
This piece is called “Harvesting Cane” and it is the reason for the torn up looking hand in Image 7 holding the Armstrong Mask. Harvesting will destroy your hands just like pictured in the Image. And it is interesting to see this artwork has all three people “holding” sugar cane just like the ugly hand is holding the Armstrong mask.
MY DIG SPOT
Remember the 4 partial stars at the top of the clock surrounding the jewel? These stars represent the 4 green light poles in the park that basically surround the outer area of the Henry Clay Monument. The most important being the one that is in between Henry Clay (center of the clock) and the Hebert Building (Checkerboard Background) artwork “Harvesting Cane”.
As someone pointed out in a post, the little hand of the clock is not directly pointing to the Roman numeral “III” on the clock, it is just slightly short of it. This is the spot where the
Green 3 O’Clock lamp
is located in the Square.
So how do I get the half-circle jewel in Image 7 to make sense. When you look at the Green Lamp and the sunlight hits it there is a highlight and shadows as there is with any object. But because of the shape of the base or the top of the lamp, when it is hit by sunlight, the highlighted part looks like a half circle of light green or turquoise color. Check it out, you’ll see what I mean. You can look at this photo (not the actual did spot but same kind of lamp) or drop down into street view on Google Earth with your back to the Clay Statue, facing the Hebert Building.
http://www.aviewoncities.com/img/neworl … 10040s.jpg
So there you have it, a new look at an old park. The area around that Green 3 O’clock lamp is the spot. The safest area would seem to be between the lamp post and Henry as there shouldn’t be any wiring in the center of the park.
Good luck to all the New Orleans pokers and diggers.
MrBackstop

Okay, Lets roll into Lafayette Square. Here is a copy of my post on Verse 2:
At the place where jewels abound
New Orleans, Mardi Gras
Fifteen rows down to the ground
New Orleans Jazz walking tour consists of 15 Jazz “row houses’ and buildings running on St. Charles Avenue from Clio to Canal.
https://www.nps.gov/jazz/learn/historyc
… tte-bd.pdf
In the middle of twenty-one
From end to end
Lafayette Square is in the middle of 21 blocks from the Superdome and the Mississippi.
Only three stand watch
Hebert Federal Building “Flood Control” limestone sculpture
http://www.bing.com/images/search?view=
… ajaxhist=0
As the sound of friends
Fills the afternoon hours
People coming to visit Lafayette Square
Here is a sovereign people
Gallier Hall is the old New Orleans City Hall and has seen many Mayors during the years that would be the Sovereign people in this verse (rulers).
Who build palaces to shelter
Their heads for a night!
Others have stated that this is in reference to the St. Charles Hotel which no longer exists because of an excerpt listed on wiki from the book Abroad in America: visitors to the new nation. I’m more inclined to go with a building that was around while BP was standing in Lafayette Square. Their heads for the night! (with an exclamation point) refers to jail cells that would be in City Hall or perhaps the US Court of Appeals.
Gnomes admire
Fays delight
Statues of McDonogh, Franklin and Clay are the Financial Gnomes observing Lafayette Square’s Beauty.
The namesakes meeting
Near this site.
Lafayette Street runs into Layfayette Square.
Image 7 ———–
Lafayette Square Conservancy
Louis Armstrong Mask
This mask if very important if you understand it for what it is….a mask. ….not the real thing. Priess was acknowledging the great Louis Armstrong with the mask and the arch shape design at the top of the clock but letting us know that this is not the real treasure spot. I’ll get to the hand holding the mask later.
Checkerboard Background
This photo contains the location for where idea for the Checkerboard Background came. It also contains the Central Business District lamp post which is the Big Hand on the clock.
http://photos.wikimapia.org/p/00/01/35/68/61_big.jpg
While looking at some photos one day I noticed the maroon squares on the Hebert Building and there it was right in front of me, the Checkerboard pattern and color. I’ve looked everyone and not been able to find any reference to this previously.
The flat and wavy pattern of the background has been discussed before but I believe the flat New Orleans typography is represented by the top half of the background and the wavier bottom represents the Mississippi River.
Let’s build a Forefather Clock
The wood at the top is a common architecture feature in New Orleans. We can find this style in the
windows of Soule College
across the street from Lafayette Square.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8378/8528 … 9bf4_z.jpg
The actual square base back of the clock face is the
Geodetic Stone
listing the latitude and longitude.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ … odetic.JPG
Priess could have created the idea of the
2 flowers
on the clock from the John Minor Wisdom US Court of Appeals building facing the park. These flowers are carved all over this building’s entrances. These aren’t the actual flowers on Image 7 but the idea is there.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ … ircuit.jpg
Upside Down #41
on left side of clock in the wood could be representative of the USS New Orleans that was involved in the Attack on Pearl Harbor in WWIIl but that’s highly speculative. If you have a better idea please chime in.
“PRES”
on the underside wood of the clock face is for the man in the middle of Lafayette Square, Henry Clay. He ran for President 4 times and lost all 4 elections. Each letter in PRES represents his 4 attempts.
29 and 90
are the latitude and longitude numbers….we all know this.
19
has been the big mystery and I believe I’ve solved it. Marquis de Lafayette, for whom the Square is named, came to America to fight in the Revolutionary War and became a Major General at age 19. He was commissioned an officer in his native France at age 13.
Mask Covers the VI and VII on the clock
– The VIII is partially visible but the 6 & 7 are blocked for a good reason. The St. Charles Theater used to sit on land in the square and was destroyed twice before being rebuilt the 3rd time. The Theater was demolished in 1967.
The
Full Moon
at the top of the clock is the Superdome. How do we know that? Do you see the
8 white dots
in the blue arch? When the Superdome was opened in 1975 it was referred to as the 8th Wonder of the World. Of course many man-made items have been called that before and I’m sure many more will be in the future.
Now, notice the partial stars (4) around the jewel, I’ll put those on the back burner for now. But, the
full stars
are what caught my attention. As a kid growing up that star meant one thing to a sports fan…..Dallas Cowboys. Hate ’em or love ’em they played in the first Super Bowl (XII) held at the Louisiana Superdome and beat the Denver Broncos 27-10 in 1978. Go ahead and count the stars, I know you want to.
As we look from one end of the square to the other starting with the
McDonogh monument
, the boy is partially responsible for the man in period clothing in the center of the clock. I say partially because the picture is of a man, not a boy. And this man is also representing
Henry Clay
who you can see here with one arm forward and the other hanging toward the back of his body on the pedestal.
http://www.aviewoncities.com/img/neworl … 10046s.jpg
The other part of the clock is the statue at the other end of the park,
Ben Franklin
. One of the Country’s Forefathers. And this is where I came up with the term Forefather Clock instead of Grandfather Clock.
The
Circular Base of the Clock
in Image 7 is the base of the Henry Clay Statue in the middle of Lafayette Square.
The word
PRESERVATION
is simply representing the fact that Lafayette Square is an area set apart for protection.
The Big Hand, as previously noted, is one of the lamp posts that is unique to the Central Business District.
The little hand is my Actual Dig Spot. The little
circle
on the little hand is the target.
If you stand at the base of the Henry Clay statue facing the Hebert Federal Building you can look up and see the Checkerboard pattern of the building. If you look at ground level and take your eyes back to the Hebert Building to the left you will see this:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4043/4570 … b557_z.jpg
These are the “Only three stand watch” in the Verse.
If you look at ground level just to the right center of the building you will see this:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2452/3716 … 71fe_b.jpg
This piece is called “Harvesting Cane” and it is the reason for the torn up looking hand in Image 7 holding the Armstrong Mask. Harvesting will destroy your hands just like pictured in the Image. And it is interesting to see this artwork has all three people “holding” sugar cane just like the ugly hand is holding the Armstrong mask.
MY DIG SPOT
Remember the 4 partial stars at the top of the clock surrounding the jewel? These stars represent the 4 green light poles in the park that basically surround the outer area of the Henry Clay Monument. The most important being the one that is in between Henry Clay (center of the clock) and the Hebert Building (Checkerboard Background) artwork “Harvesting Cane”.
As someone pointed out in a post, the little hand of the clock is not directly pointing to the Roman numeral “III” on the clock, it is just slightly short of it. This is the spot where the
Green 3 O’Clock lamp
is located in the Square.
So how do I get the half-
circle
jewel in Image 7 to make sense. When you look at the Green Lamp and the sunlight hits it there is a highlight and shadows as there is with any object. But because of the shape of the base or the top of the lamp, when it is hit by sunlight, the highlighted part looks like a half
circle
of light green or turquoise color. Check it out, you’ll see what I mean. You can look at this photo (not the actual did spot but same kind of lamp) or drop down into street view on Google Earth with your back to the Clay Statue, facing the Hebert Building.
http://www.aviewoncities.com/img/neworl … 10040s.jpg
So there you have it, a new look at an old park. The area around that Green 3 O’clock lamp is the spot. The safest area would seem to be between the lamp post and Henry as there shouldn’t be any wiring in the center of the park.
Good luck to all the New Orleans pokers and diggers.
MrBackstop

Nice find!
(As a sop to Lafayette believers, the guy who suggested Hermes for the Krewe was F Edward Hebert, whose name appears on the F Edward Hebert building…at Lafayette Square.
)

The flying man on the clock has been driving me crazy for years. I knew I’d seen him before. And I never bought into the theory that he was from the statue in Lafayette park. It just wasn’t similar enough. But for the longest time I thought the circle meant it was from some old Louis Armstrong record, so I kept searching for a record logo that had him on the center. But I finally found him instead in a collection of old Mardi Gras doubloons! (Seriously this drove me crazy for years). This is the Hermes doubloon from
1982
. I hope this is a convincer. The image is not of a statue at all, but of Hermes. But not just any old Hermes, but specifically the Hermes from Krewe of Hermes — and the 1981/1982 (ish) doubloon. The IV convinces me that it’s meant to represent the doubloon, anyway. I suppose it *could* be a coincidence. But I doubt it.
(I know someone else once posted they though he looked like Hermes and that the clock hand looked like his caduceus — but I don’t think anyone believed it. Now I think this doubloon proves he was correct).
I am thinking this is possibly a clue indicating a parade route… Anyone know what the route was in 1981/1982?

kibitz is back! coolness.

Thanks erexere. What do you think of my find?

I think its a very good find. I believe it mattered to Preiss that we think about how Hermes relates to something, like a parade route, or the subject of leading the dead to the underworld, or as a messenger.

If true, that’s a neat find. The sandal straps on Hermes were reimagined as argyle socks on the painting.

In the most origin related perspective, we may want to assess the relationship of the figure as it js derived from the work of Italian artist Giambologna.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Mercury-by-Giambologna
Similarly, the Sarmiento quote looks back to Italy’s St. Peters.
Although this is primarily a French themed puzzle, there’s some allegorical relationship to Italy to consider.
Kibitz, do you know which year that doubloon is from? Im thinking that depiction of Hermes was specific to certain years.

1982

If we take a step back and look at the visual clues in the two paintings that were solved – they all directly related to a location of some sort. They were images of landmarks or items located near the burial site. Simple as that. If this painting follows the pattern, then I don’t think we need to read into the meaning of the symbolism too much. More we need to figure out how the doubloon (or the image on it) directly related to a location of some sort. Perhaps in 1982 the Krewe had a headquarters somewhere with the logo on the building. Perhaps it’s a clue to the parade route. I have been unable to locate historical parade route information and I don’t know if a Krewe even has a headquarters. But I feel it has to be something simple along these lines. Or at least we need to explore these simpler possibilities before moving on to more complex symbolic meanings that don’t seem to have a precedent in the prior paintings. Just my humble opinion of course.

Well thats rad, because the 1982 theme for Mystic Krewe of Hermes is “Dreams a Midsummer Night”…
Consider the verse lines about sleeping for a night and the LotJ turquoise: “rare as a midsummer’s night”.
Good job Kibitz!

Indeed it was. That seems to be a bit more than a coincidence. Here’s the back of the coin…
…

(Also good job erexere! I looked at the back but didn’t make that connection. I think it is very unlikely to be a coincidence.)

erexere

Consider the verse lines about sleeping for a night and the LotJ turquoise: “rare as a midsummer’s night”.

The line is: “Rare as a blue midsummer’s day”.

Yes thank you. I’m starting to really lean towards centralizing the puzzle around the McDonald Monument.

Lafitte

All speculation at this point but what can we do without a confirmer?

I say we head on down to Lafayette Square.

I hope this isn’t off topic.
Verse 2 goes with image 7 (Image 7 has turquoise which is the treasure of the fays who are mentioned in verse 2) also the pace where jewels abound (a set of streets named after jewels ) is very near harlequin park (the flying guy has harlequin socks) in New Orleans.

Just keep in mind the extensive damage to City Park from Katrina. Over 2000 trees destroyed (6500 new ones planted since then), and virtually all buildings damaged or destroyed and then rebuilt. Using any architectural or natural landmarks for this puzzle requires extensive research to be sure the referenced visual existed prior to the storm.

that travis schuler guy has been making some AWESOME progress on NO puzzle. everything hes doing leads him to city park, where he has been digging for treasure (3 attempts made, going for his fourth I believe) at the same spot, to no avail yet. though he thinks he has it down to a precise location.
we have been talking extensively and it has come down to the point that either his spot reinforces mine or mine his.
his reinforcing mine is stronger in that I am of the believe that like in the NYC puzzle with Central Park, City Park is the main place which the extra-treasure hunt aspect of the puzzle takes you.
only I have a direct visual representation of the spot, his is discerned via 3 layers of six degrees of separation and some mathematics.
so I’m pretty damn sure he just confirmed my spot as correct!!!
but one of us is def right for sure.

Permit to dig in NO acquired.  Soon, weather and schedule permitting.  Thursday is a maybe.

Avoiding what seems to be a forum civil war, I just wanted to reference a cross post I am doing. I am heading to NO to take pictures tomorrow, if anyone would like any in particular posted here I’m happy to try and oblige. My only other current post on the forums under Verse 2 thread if you are interested in reading the whole thing, however there is nothing more of interest there. Let me know. Thanks and happy hunting.

There are 3 bridges in the vicinity of Pigeon Island. Kind of where the 3 is on the clock. Just a thought.
The sundial is also nearby. Don’t know of any connection but its there.

It’s raining and I’m board today. Started looking at this thing with a more generalized view, with a 1982 perspective. I believe this thing is supposed to be less complicated than I have been thinking with all the modern tech tools.
Anyway, I am no genius but just a few observations:
1. Piazza d’Italia: Notice the clock with IV instead of IIII. Also the general shape and rings that look like the clock. There are different color sections in the layout of the brick rings, similar to the irregular shaded spots on the clock in the image. The rings also remind me of the unusual wrinkles on the hand holding the mask. There are plenty clues at this spot, but no logical dig spot since its all concrete and brick.
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9477985 … a=!3m1!1e3
2. The mask: Certainly the assumption it is modeled off Louis Armstrong’s face is undeniable, IMO. I do not put too much stock in Armstrong Park, but there are plenty arches and other shapes that draw you there still.
3. Lafayette Square: It has been said the boy at the statue is similar to the boy in the image, I agree. But the thing that really brings me here is “three stand watch”, referring to the 3 statues.
I know none of this is revealing, and has been talked about, but just trying to regroup my thoughts from a more generalized POV. I’m starting over, trying to block out the noise and look at this thing with a “low tech” approach (I realize I have referenced GE imagery, but what I am illustrating could be seen through a 1982 “boots on the ground” perspective).
Man, I hope one of you guys solve this thing, so I can move on! Ha!

Lafayette square has a limited “protected” area to hide a cask unless he was willing to dig in the middle of the park. That little patch of green next to the Gallier Hall was fenced off then till I think 2012. I don’t think he would’ve jumped the fence to bury the cask. I think George dug that area and found some petrified dog turd that he mistook for decomposed ceramic.
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=740&hilit=fenced&start=1949

Lafayette square has a limited “protected” area to hide a cask unless he was willing to dig in the middle of the park. That little patch of green next to the Gallier Hall was
fenced
off then till I think 2012. I don’t think he would’ve jumped the fence to bury the cask. I think George dug that area and found some petrified dog turd that he mistook for decomposed ceramic.
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=740&hilit=
fenced
&start=1949

Choice

. That little patch of green next to the Gallier Hall was fenced off then till I think 2012. I don’t think he would’ve jumped the fence to bury the cask.

you mean the small thigh high fence with 21 posts? (middle of 21)
The one that is removeable so they can construct bleachers there once a year?
The one that you could easily step over like he stepped up to the planter box in cleveland.
That fence?
Thats not how I would describe “fenced off” by any stretch of the imagination…

Choice

. That little patch of green next to the Gallier Hall was
fenced
off then till I think 2012. I don’t think he would’ve jumped the fence to bury the cask.

you mean the small thigh high fence with 21 posts? (middle of 21)
The one that is removeable so they can construct bleachers there once a year?
The one that you could easily step over like he stepped up to the planter box in cleveland.
That fence?
Thats not how I would describe “
fenced
off” by any stretch of the imagination…

You call those posts? Just a thin wraparound fencing. Now come up with 15 down.

egads, dont say “jockey” too loudly around here

or do what bp did, dress as a maintenance guy, luck to ya

if you want to ask permission, find the park director. there’s probably a sign somewhere (around where the name of the park is) that lists names and phone numbers.
wilhouse

Be sneaky!
be careful and let us know how it goes ok?

Narcissus is the flower….not belladonna. Something tells me this has some implication for going to the river for a drink. Seeing a reflection…something which is the same on each side like 2 columns right and left of eachother.

LotJ on the turquise: Rare and blue as a midsummer’s day
I really take it that blue can mean sad or depressed. A midsummer’s day doesn’t seem “sad” at first thought, but then I consider how easy it is to ascribe the Sun’s climbing to it’s highest point followed by days where it will achieve less and less apogee until the next winter’s solstice where it turns back to climbing higher and higher in the sky. It happens once a year, so that makes it somewhat rare.
I think it’s telling us to consider what kind of day is sad and happens once a year. A day you visit a loved one’s grave?

erexere

LotJ on the turquise: Rare and blue as a midsummer’s day
I really take it that blue can mean sad or depressed. A midsummer’s day doesn’t seem “sad” at first thought, but then I consider how easy it is to ascribe the Sun’s climbing to it’s highest point followed by days where it will achieve less and less apogee until the next winter’s solstice where it turns back to climbing higher and higher in the sky. It happens once a year, so that makes it somewhat rare.
I think it’s telling us to consider what kind of day is sad and happens once a year. A day you visit a loved one’s grave?

How about a Blue Moon? There is a moon in the image. A full moon on a summer solstice is rare so a blue moon would be very rare.

Good plan about contacting the Lafayette Square Conservancy – that could definitely make things easier. Some Thanksgiving digging in the Square sounds like a great idea.

Toasty,
Just a reminder, finding photo’s of City Park pre 2006 is very difficult. City Park was 8′ underwater after Katrina, and things in the park have moved around. I encourage you to try to make a dig, but do it yourself, and check your solution against any pre 2006 photo’s you can find.

I think everyone is in agreement about the image being NO. Is there another verse that fits, since 7 does seem to fit SF? I was one of the first to believe it was NO, and I still have strong feelings but I wanted to throw it out there.
wilhouse

How about verses 3, 6, or 10?

I think I have found a great lead for the majority of this image….
http://www.dailylush.com/archives/the_c … ns_la.html
I goggled New Orleans and grandfather clock and I got one
consistent hit:  The Hotel Monteleone (over one hundredyears
old)
http://secure.hotelmonteleone.com/hotel/info.html
Has a famous Grandfather Clock in the lobby which I assume from what I read
about the large windows, can be seen from the street.
It is a faurly good match (see the link, photos, lobby)
except that the image uses roman numerials and the one in the hotel
uses english digits.
Might be interesting to see the view of the streets.

Thanks… must have missed that week…
Besides the Grandfather clock, the thing that really interested me
is if you read the article of the first link, it describes a feature of the hotel bar/lobby:
Arms sticking out of the wall holding lamps/lights with circus like frilly sleeves.
(couldn’t have described out stickholder any better)
Also, this image, unlike most, has an indoor feel to it.
(What are the chances that BP was standing outside the hotel,
looking in a large window and having an obstructed view of
thegrandfather clock, with a wall ornament arm just inside this window.
He could have been standing in the bushes outside the hotel and started
making a hole.)
Maybe this should be in the verse section,
but as the Hotel is on Royal Street…
can “Near ace is high” refer to
“a king and queen” to refer to Royal Street??
(Near ace would not be sufficient because the ace could
be either high or low.  And it helps with the ryhming)
But what about the giant pole…..

This hotel, bar & grandfather clock was brought up quite some time ago Trohn.  It generated a brief amount of enthusiasm which promptly died out w/in the week.
Lafitte…anything in this P take you to Hotel M?

Let me put everyones minds to rest about the Monteleone. There are no bushes out front. It would be impossible to bury anything remotely near this hotel. The only green space in and around the Quarter is the following;
1. Jackson Square. Impossible. Gates are locked in the eve. and there is no way to dig without getting arrested..
2.Armstrong Park. This was mentioned last year  as a possible location. Not bad. However the Park falls under the Park service jurisdiction and their rules are quite strict about digging.
3.Lafeyette Square.Has statue of Henry Clay, and John McDonough. Could be Education and Justice.However the Giant Pole, Giant Step is weird.
4. There is a triangular green space on Decatur. Sorry to say that if anything is buried there it has been covered by a huge statue of Bienville. This is near the riverboat docking area.Twains attention?
5. Washington Square Park. No statues, walls, monuments,poles, steps or anything else that fits with this poem.
I would forget the Quarter as a location(except for the triangular park…). If you look at images of the Cathedral you will notice arches that look like the “grandfather clock” as you chose to call it. Big landmark.
The color purple represents justice. Rex wears gold. Louis Armstrong was the King of Zulu one year.
The ragged nails are odd.
Checkerboard pattern, and color purple are in other images in this book as well.
Preservation is too obvious to be Preservation hall as a location. Besides, there is no area to bury a casque here.
I will post more later but wanted to get your minds of of the Monteleone. Lafitte

P.s. Trohn, where are you from?  Lafitte

Thanks Laftite for the green rundown of the Quarter.
My thoughts on the Giant Pole (of New Orleans) have focused
on (1) Liberty Monument – moved and was in the middle of a street
but from what I saw in photos was on a stretch on landscaping
(2) Lee Monument (rules on burying here are probably as stringent
as any other square in the city.
If you start at Jackson square (Stonewall’s Door), looks to be
too far West for the clues.
I am living in Central Pennsylvania (now – for the past year)
I had been working in New York city (for the prior fourteen years)
and living in New Jersey (born and bred)
I went to college in Chicago.
Met my wife in Kansas.
I have family in DC, Boston, and Miami.  (other cities I know fairly well)
I have never been to New Orleans.
As far as Preservation being too obvious a clue, do not let the easy ones
throw you.  The numbers on the clock signify the Log and Lat for New Orleans,
so Preservation could be just what it is.  True nothing at the hall area, but the
sign may be visible from wherever BP had been digging.
A small detail on the image which your knowledge may help nail down,
on the lower right, within a purple square, is a “Dragon Head” off on its own.
Does it resemble anything you know of?
I saw on the photo of Grandfather clock, an animal head sticking off of the right
side.  Really couldn’t tell if it was the same of not.
Thanks for the thoughts.  Keep them coming.

Preservation Hall is between Royal and Bourbon st. If you stand with your back to the door and look towards the river you will be able to see a smidgen of trees from the square. But I can’t see how anything was buried here. I’m still not really certain that this is the correct verse for this image.
At first glance the horsehead was similar to all of the hitching posts in the Quarter. I don’t have the book yet so all I have to work with is what i see on my screen.
Has anybody come to any conclusions yet about the weird wrinkles on the hand? Mirror images? Folded images? That funny smiley mouth line is making me suspect there is more here.
Since you filled me in on your history here’s some of mine. My history is far too extensive so here is a brief outline.
1620’s; some family members arrive in Nova Scotia and were in the Angel Guard.
They came to Louisiana after the b.s. with England. (We’re still waiting for an apology)
In the 1700’s; after the French Revolution Sorrento Italy became a haven for nobility. No heads rolled here, however we sailed our own boats to La. just in case. Ran boats up and down Bayou lafourche. Changed our last name to be more “French”. Married French and were lucky that first cousins didn’t. The N.S. relatives and the Italians came really close!
Had businesses in F.Q.
My grandfather went to Loyola and then Julliard on music scholarship. Married my Grams whose family came from Ireland. Luckily they came late and didn’t have to dig any ditches. My grams’s parents had a restaurant on Bourbon st. ( WE don’t show our you know whats, tourists do) Grams dad dies, it’s the Depression, restaurant gets sold, girls go into showbiz.
At that time WWL radio was BIG. Look up the Dawn busters. My Great Aunt Marge was a major part.
My dad is Spanish and Indian. Don’t ask which nation, was told it was “bad blood” and they tried to bury this info. Idiots.
Granparents moved to Brooklyn, Pawpaw(grandfather) was big with Jerome Robins and sang on Broadway and in Radio City.
Everyone moved back to N.O. asap except my Pawpaw and Grams who are still in Bklyn.
I was conceived in N.O. and born in Bklyn. F*in A  y’all! Moved back to N.O. at 17. Was on my way to A.B.T. but was sick of the city… Spent summers in N.O. and winters in N.Y. Yeah ,I know, ridiculous.
So here we are.  Keep the ideas flowing and I’ll do the same. Lafitte

Glad you finally got your book Lafitte….now you are officially in on the hunt.
WELCOME
now, let me spare you some time and just give you this now…..
…… hehehehe.

fox

definitely?  Why so definitely?  Not that I disagree with you.  Leaning towards Noon/Midnight myself but why is the second hand on 3

The rotating plate above the face of the clock will show the moon and stars during the night and the sun during the day, so the hour is somewhere between 6 PM and 6 AM.  And since we don’t see the transition between the two images on the plate is must be right between the two times — midnight.  That little hand on the 3 is similar to the hand used to set an alarm on old alarm clocks (before digital).  Does a grandfather clock have an alarm??  Perhaps a special chime?
Fox, the park might be more willing to let us dig DURING the restoration, rather than after it is completed.  Somebody get down there!!
Maybe one of us could offer to restore the area near Cinderella’s coach.

City Park does seem likely, especially because of that giant narcissus. But don’t forget that Jackson Square has much going for it, too. Consider:
1. If one orients the Jackson statue’s horse so that the clock face is directly behind it, it resembles the horse thingy at the lower right of P7.
2. A few have noted that Jackson Square resembles the clock face in P7. Jackson Square is a circle within a square. The small semicircle at the top could refer to the amphitheatre-like structure at the southern end of the Square, across Decatur St. The moon at the top (frishkie mentioned this) could be a reference to the Moonwalk, located just beyond it on the riverbank.
3. One of the buildings flanking the Square is the Pont
alba
Apartments. “White house close at hand”?
If this interpretation is correct, the position of the second hand might be pointing us toward the western gate.

regulus

Actually I’m pretty sure it says 3:00

Nope.  Definitely midnight.

bclews

Nope.  Definitely midnight.

definitely?  Why so definitely?  Not that I disagree with you.  Leaning towards Noon/Midnight myself but why is the second hand on 3

DUH!
MUST be 12 o’clock to fit.  December = turquoise, narcissus, 12 oclock .
but why the 3?  hmmmmm

This kind of concerns me:
Should this bother us Lafitte?  Any chance of losing our casque forever?

This is what I meant by above post:
this is what it looks/looked like during restoration after the Hurricane.  Mother Nature sure is making it difficult with this casque.  Will it ever be found

I wanted to share something I ran across. I too have been wondering why the P, V, and N in PRESERVATION have arrows pointing to them.
Here’s a photo comparing the text to Plessy v. Ferguson, the landmark case that started in NOLA. This particular sign is very new, but it illustrates what I mean, I hope. The case was tried locally at the Cabildo (before ascending to the US Supremem Court). The Cabildo is located next door to St. Louis cathedral. If this is a valid clue, it keeps us anchored near the cathedral.
Link to Image:
http://imgur.com/sPPbmhP

Unknown

Unknown:
The “V” in “PRESERVATION” is off-center to deliberately bisect it with the clock hands. The actual center of the word would be between the “R” and the “V”.
The colored circles on the rim of the clock, when connected to the center, form a peace sign exactly (45-degrees for the left and right lines).
The loup-garoux hand is in a wholly unnatural position (try holding a stick like that). The index and middle fingers, as someone pointed out in the I7 thread, look like the hand is about to put up two fingers.
On the loup-garoux’s arm at the sleeve is the letter “V” (upside down).

Frisco recently posted, in another thread, some interesting observations:
Frisco also pointed out that the XI in the clock was the only number with shading. If you look more closely, though, you’ll see that most of the numbers have some degree of shading. So I’m not sure the XI is special. There are other peculiarities about this clock that have been pointed out in the past. For instance, of the dark rectangles along the outer circular rim, three are grey but one is smaller and black. The spacing between the lines in the outer rim is uneven, and different on the left and right sides of the clock. The just-visible “..II” of the VIII are at a weird angle. In the inner circular rim, there is a black rectangle under every number except XII, and the one under XI is larger. Why is there a small clock hand pointing to the III?

Another thing I don’t remember being discussed (perhaps it was, long ago), are the curved arrows pointing to the word PRESERVATION.
Do they have directional significance? Are they there just to call attention to PRESERVATION? Or are they just for decoration?

I only felt the XI was special because it has far more shading than any other number. More than if it had just been shadowing, which is what I assumed the shading on the other numbers was. Just another thing that jumped out at me early. YMMV.
I considered that the 19 was just 91, and another coordinate boxing the casque between 90 and 91-degrees. There’s also a number in the bubbles on the clock hand. A 61 (or 19 when the hands are rotated).

cryptenigma

Another thing I don’t remember being discussed (perhaps it was, long ago), are the curved arrows pointing to the word PRESERVATION.
Do they have directional significance? Are they there just to call attention to PRESERVATION? Or are they just for decoration?

I didn’t come up with anything for that. It struck me as merely aesthetic. But maybe it’s something.
The uneven spacing of the thin lines on rim of the clock could be something as well, but it could also just be a side effect of messing with the spacing by adding the shaded rectangles.

forest_blight

For instance, of the dark rectangles along the outer circular rim, three are grey but one is smaller and black…Why is there a small clock hand pointing to the III?

Unknown

Unknown:
The just-visible “..II” of the VIII are at a weird angle.

Unknown

Unknown:
In the inner circular rim, there is a black rectangle under every number except XII, and the one under XI is larger.

That’s where the casque is buried, of course.
Maybe it’s not a VIII under there. Maybe it’s a “W”. (okay, that’s a stretch :p)
Maybe that, alongside the extra shading, is drawing more attention to the XI?

No offense to Falcon, but I’ve always liked Verse 7 for the NO picture.
wilhouse

No offense taken
cause until its used to find a treasure -its all theories…
but just curious, if you think V7 is NO, Which one is SF?

I honestly don’t know.
wilhouse

ck and forest  ;D
;D  (could someone make an emoticon for a smiling heart or a singing heart??  🙂  )  it’s good to see you guys!
in the image, the upper part that makes it look like a grandfather clock, the curves:
i was watching a movie yesterday “billy budd”, by herman melville (strange huh, same author as for verse #1)  i missed some of it, but there was this one scene with the boat, and the boat looked just like that.  i will try to catch it again and record it.  really good story, but really sad too.
but anyway, was just wondering if there was a boat like that in new orleans, i remember in storyland the captain hook boat with peter pan.  i’ll try to find a pic.
well, i found this one, but it’s not exactly what i saw in the movie:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gjcharlet/ … otostream/

I found a better all around application derived from the word “costume”.  I think “hem” goes along with it well.  Costume works with jewelry, Halloween, or Mardi Gras in a more plain way.