The Mcdonogh statue.

I know nobody liked this theory when I first proposed it but I am going to revisit it.
I believe that image7(New Orleans) goes with verse1 because of the anagram that I found in the capital letters of verse1 that indicate (to me) a starting point of Spanish Plaza.  If you check Google maps, Spanish Plaza is just down the street from Lafayette square.
For those who don’t remember this theory, it goes like this: take the capital letters that begin each line of a verse and separate them by whether the lines rhyme or not and then anagram one group or the other looking for something that indicates a city and an iconic image.  What I got for verse1 is NO (I) S (I) PLA.  I used the two left over I’s as blanks to separate the word groups.  Just as I did for verse12 where I got CHI (B) WA (B) T
I admit this is ambiguous and hard to swallow for some but it is certainly no less ambiguous or obscure than using half a sentence from a book noone has ever read to indicate a hotel that is no longer there.  After all when it comes to these puzzles all we have is ambiguous and obscure, I say we embrace it.
I like Malted_Falcon’s theories about starting at iconic images and walking down the street it is on until you get to a cross street(in fact, I think I proposed something similar awhile back).  However, I don’t think they are straight shots from the iconic image to the park(that would have been too easy) so far at least there has always been a cross street.
In Chicago, start at the Water Tower walk down Michigan Ave. until you get to the cross street of Congress Parkway(which comes from the line in the verse
And to Congress R is known
) turn left and you are almost immediately in Grant Park.
In Cleveland, start at the Terminal Tower and walk down Superior Street until you get to Liberty street(which comes from the picture of L and the bell in image4) turn left and continue until you get to the Cleveland Cultural Gardens.
In New Orleans, start at the Spanish Plaza and walk down Poydras Street until you get to St. Charles Ave(which comes from the quote in the book Abroad in America) turn left and go a short distance and you are at Lafayette Square.
It always seems to be a left at the cross street.  Anybody know whether Poydras is French for something to do with water?  As all the iconic images (so far) are on a street having to do with water.  Milwaukee City Hall is on Water Street.  But I guess since Spanish Plaza is on the River Walk this would satisfy that criteria.
That’s my two cents, I like Lafayette Square a lot.  Congratulations to all of you who helped find this possible location.

For a fuller explanation of my theory about the verses containing anagrams see either one of these threads
Verse1/page 26
or
Possible Clues in the Verse/page 1

i think i found a brick building that looks like the wall. it looks like a pump house, for the watering systems
in the park. the building looks like it may have been there awhile too. i tried to cut it out and blow up to
get a count on the bricks, it was to fuzzy to see clear. the building is in the background of pic 24 in first link, not sure
if the other links will work right. this is the link cormac had posted awhile back.
i also think this is the park, a great place to dig and bury, as it is in the Business District of
N.O., and after say 7pm prob little or no traffic, weekends would be even better, that is if there are no events
going on that day, im sure bp would have known about any events, and waited maybe come back the next day
http://picasaweb.google.com/LafayetteSq … ugust2005#
http://picasaweb.google.com/LafayetteSq … #slideshow
http://picasaweb.google.com/LafayetteSq … 5626882626

Here is something interesting that goes along with Fox’s theory that these things are all somehow connected.  If Golden Gate Park is the iconic image for San Francisco one of the streets that it is on is Fulton Street(inventor of the steamboat) if you head east for quite a ways and then turn left at either Laguna Street or Gough Street you get to Lafayette Park.
Probably not useful but interesting

If people had reservations about digging in Lafayette Square, there is no way in
that this is a diggable spot.
Lee
Circle
is basically an oversized round-a-bout with constant traffic.  The logic to get there was good and made sense but I HIGHLY doubt this is our location.

If people had reservations about digging in Lafayette Square, there is no way in
that this is a diggable spot.  Lee Circle is basically an oversized round-a-bout with constant traffic.  The logic to get there was good and made sense but I HIGHLY doubt this is our location.

I agree… but it has to be close. Not totally ruling out Lafayette Park. I would like to know the dimensions of the grassy area to the south of the statue.

Unknown

Unknown:
Poydras is French for something to do with water?

Nope. Poydras is the surname of Julien Poydras, a man who founded the NOLA Female Orphanage Asylum back in the 19th century. The current Poydras St was named in his honor. A “namesake” as it were.
The name has no meaning that I’ve been able to uncover in French that has anything to do with water.  It would not have been spelled like that originally–but I can’t find anything that even comes close except
poivre ras
–“closed cropped pepper.” (?)
Both streets–Lafayette Street and Poydras Street are “namesakes” of honorees in New Orleans–and both were annexed to New Orleans proper on the same day.
The namesakes meeting on this site.

To the south of which statue?  The one in
Lee
Circle
?

To the south of which statue?  The one in Lee Circle?

shecrab

Both streets–Lafayette Street and Poydras Street are “namesakes” of honorees in New Orleans–and both were annexed to New Orleans proper on the same day.
The namesakes meeting on this site.

digger7

I believe that image7(New Orleans) goes with verse1 because of the anagram that I found in the capital letters of verse1 that indicate (to me) a starting point of Spanish Plaza.  If you check Google maps, Spanish Plaza is just down the street from Lafayette square.

digger7

it is certainly no less ambiguous or obscure than using half a sentence from a book noone has ever read to indicate a hotel that is no longer there.

This is an interesting take on that line…and makes a lot of sense.  Near Lafayette Square {where the casque is buried} is the intersection [meeting place] of the 2 [namesake] streets.
There are times that you just confuse the heck out of me digger.
This entire post of yours is full of some very good ideas but…..you state that you are not too comfortable with V2 because
You then use V1 which “obviously” has a line from the Hermann work which leads us to Hermann Park in Houston.  These references may be hard to swallow but they are impossible to overlook.  They are in many of the V’s if not all of them.
V1 – What we take to be
Our strongest tower of delight…….as shown above.
V2 – Here is a sovereign people
Who build palaces to shelter
Their heads for a night!……Sarmiento work leading us to N.O.
V3 – If Thucydides is
North of Xenophon…….reference to Walpole quote about Boston & NY
V6 – Of all the romance retold
Men of tales and tunes
Cruel and bold……….I think this is the correct section referring to
Treasure Island
&
Edwin and Edwina named after him…..seems to be referencing Sarmiento again and leading us to Charleston
V9 – The first chapter
Written in water……..not really a literary reference but the words quoted from the FOY entrance sign.
V11 – Dark forest….from the entrance sign to the Elizabethan Gardens.  Seems to be more than coincidental when coupled with:
To achieve
By dauntless and inconquerable
Determination…..found on the WB Monument which is not too far away.
If there were only one other possible quote from something, I may be more inclined to side with your thoughts about the ambiguity of the Sarmiento St Charles quote but…..

fox

Edwin and Edwina named after him…..seems to be referencing Sarmiento again and leading us to Charleston

Slight correction here, fox. The quote is from a chapter about Edward Wilmot Blyden, not Sarmiento, and refers to an Edwin and Edwina born in Charleston. Both the Sarmiento quote and the Blyden reference do occur in the same book, but in chapters written by different people.

guess i’m not done here yet  ;D
“The gnomon is the part of a sundial that casts the shadow. Gnomon (γνώμων) is an ancient Greek word meaning “indicator”, “one who discerns,” or “that which reveals.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnomon
i thought there were two sundials in city park
earth dwellers (underground) or under bridges (trolls)
bacher sundial
i always picture them as loving gold (guess thats where the krugerrands come in)
and there are those gnomes or satyrs by enrique alferez in the botanical gardens, and the ROSE garden where fairies would be delighted
i know someone dug somewhere around th sundial…just can’t find where
but i like the clock and steeple at jackson square too, and the canal street ferry
and the federal bank around lafayette square

fox

Don’t know if anyone is around N.O. anymore.  I sure wish I was because I wouldv’e already dug.

No, there’s just no solution posted that’s remotely complete or reasonable.
I looked at that brick bench today. As expected, there are far more than 21 bricks across the top. There are not even close to 15 rows of bricks horizontally. Counting mortar is trying to force something that doesn’t work. This is not even close to a possible match.
Also, you might like to know that there are far more than 21 trees, and more than 21 old oaks. No obvious rows of trees or groupings that could be used to link them to any of the verse clues.
There are a ton of great options for visuals from Lafayette Square, none of which match anything in the picture. We have plenty of things from image 7 that we know are clues, none of which match Lafayette Square – with the exception of this debatable statue, (whose posture does not match the image.) I might buy that link if there were tons of other connections…instead we have almost zero.

We are looking at (or have ruled out) the following parks: City Park, Audubon Park, Lafayette Square, Armstrong Park, Harlequin/Tourmaline/Tiara/Preidot Park, Lakeshore Park, Coliseum Park, Jackson Square, Woldenberg Park and The Garden of the Americas.
If anyone has another park that they believe is a decent candidate, and would like us to look into, it please list it below, and give any reason you think it is a feasible candidate.
Thanks.

Unknown

Unknown:
You find me another statue that looks even “remotely” similar to our clock boy and I may follow but until then……  Personally, and I don’t think it is just me around here, I think that the McD statue is ‘almost’ a dead ringer.

I completely agree here….how can anyone say it isn’t? The photos alone show that from a particular angle, that boy’s posture is almost exactly the same as the sprite on the clock face. And it doesn’t take a genius to see it.
I just love how some people think we should give up BEFORE any digging gets done.
If I were a paranoid person, I’d think they were trying to lure us away from a likely spot.

cw0909

i think i found a brick building that looks like the wall. it looks like a pump house, for the watering systems
in the park. the building looks like it may have been there awhile too. i tried to cut it out and blow up to
get a count on the bricks, it was to fuzzy to see clear.

Also like the wall, it is in no way a match for anything in the verse or image.
Here is a better picture:
Time to move on, people. (At least until there is a GOOD reason to come back.)

Okay, I’ll come out of hiding and agree with Forrest on this one, and it has nothing to do with us being namesakes. I don’t think the match to clock-boy is close enough, and the relative lack of other good matches in the area adds to its unlikelihood. The pose is not really the same, and what about clock-boy’s hat and the argyle socks one might find on a golfer or cyclist of yore? (note the resemblance of the clock hand to bicycles). People aren’t digging primarily because there is nowhere in the park where X marks the spot, so to speak. How do the V and P narrow it down to, say, a 2′ x 2′ area to dig? The wall idea was shot down.
And why would BP want to bury a casque in that lousy park when there are so many better options?

Aha,!
Namesakes agreeing near the site! that must mean something!!!
I think the boy on the statue is definitely a match. But jus because something is in the picture doesnt mean its anywhere near the site. It could just be along the way….
I think we are making great progress, and notice the progress comes with lots of arguing and stating ideas and shooting them down and going on.
Everybody keep up the great work and dont let yourself get discouraged as ideas are considered and put aside for better ones.
!!!

fox

You find me another statue that looks even “remotely” similar to our clock boy and I may follow but until then……  Personally, and I don’t think it is just me around here, I think that the McD statue is ‘almost’ a dead ringer.

fox

Until you find a casque elsewhere, I would say that ALL of those parks are still very valid possibilities.

It might not be a reference to a statue. Regardless,
one image clue match is not a solution!
I didn’t ask that, did I? Nor did I say that we had ruled them all out.
We have been to those parks, we have lists of clue matches for each one, if there are any – some have been ruled out of our search because there aren’t any clues that match them at all.
What I asked was if anyone had any OTHER parks to suggest, in case we are missing one.

shecrab

I just love how some people think we should give up BEFORE any digging gets done.
If I were a paranoid person, I’d think they were trying to lure us away from a likely spot.

I just love how you act like I’m trying to stop you from digging anywhere. Go dig to your heart’s content! My friend mentioned the statue’s resemblance to the picture LAST YEAR, along with his other information and hypothesis. You think he did THAT in order to hamstring you, too? I’m sure he’ll be happy to hear it.
I’m just curious – are you and fox consciously trying to run off the only 2 people in the N.O. area who are actively looking and posting here?

Unknown

Unknown:
And why would BP want to bury a casque in that lousy park when there are so many better options?

Huh???
what BETTER place than a park? Any other place is private property, most likely–and it specifically says that no casque resides in cemetaries or flower beds. Just what else does that leave? Not to mention that fact that the only two that were found were found in
parks
.
As for the other “images” in the picture—I might respectfully ask,
what images?
Are you suggesting that we look for a loup garoux? For a sleeve with a ruffled edge? for a mask that resembles Louis Armstrong crossed with Bill Maher? A grandfather clock with curly-cue hands? A checkerboard–or maybe it’s a tablecloth?  Just which of these images do you think we might actually find
in situ?
The latitude and longitude say New Orleans. No doubt about it. The word “Preservation” is associated with New Orleans, no doubt about that either. The arch can be found in City Park AND in Armstrong Park–in many places.
The rest is all symbolism
–except for that little figure on the clock–and we
found
that!  I honestly don’t see why the heck anyone is arguing the point at all!
That little boy on the statue is the closest thing we’ve come across in the
entire image
to a specific place. And now some want to step all over it as “not being close enough?”  I find that unnecessarily picayune (to use a phrase from–guess where.) It’s like a while back, when Paul Skoda was still alive….we discussed this very thing. That’s why he drew the picture (which I posted on this forum) of the sign that said “dig here.”  It’s almost unbelievable that you need MORE incentive to dig in Lafayette.
If there WERE any other images, and they didn’t match, then I’d say that yes–it’s unlikely that Laf.Sq. is the place–but there just aren’t! This is pretty much
it
.
As for the figure’s dress–he has been called at various times on this board a jockey, a baseball player, a harlequin and now he’s a bicyclist? You want a statue to sport argyle socks to make your match more firm? The fact that the statue is wearing knickers and so is the clock boy is enough for me–the fact that the statue boy’s dress is early 20th century and so is the clock boy’s is good enough for me–the reason that JJP probably DRESSED the clock boy in the argyles and cap was so we wouldn’t be able to identify it so thoroughly that there would be no doubt–exactly like the “spirit of the Great Lakes” statue was disguised–he put wings on it, and there aren’t any wings on the original sculpture–that’s also good enough for me.
I will concede that
so far
, there isn’t anything
that we can see
matches “in the middle of 21”, and the bricks/mortar rows are just a bit of a stretch. But who knows WHAT he meant by that? There are definitely more than 21 bollards in L.Square, and there are definitely more than 21 trees–maybe he wasn’t counting ALL of them for some reason. There might be 21 of them arranged in a way that made sense to him then…or maybe 21 and 15 are something else. I don’t know–because I’m not there. I only know that if you are wanting to search for something that matches better, it’s going to be a hard go. When I saw that McDonough statue, I knew in my gut we’d found the place–finally. To reject it because we also didn’t find argyle socks and a cap is just mind-boggling to me.
Oh, and Forrest, lighten up—okay? For crying out loud—did you SEE the ‘wink’ icon? That means it’s a JOKE. Honestly. I was just being facetious.

shecrab

Huh???
what BETTER place than a park?

Forest_blight specifically said this lousy park you are so hung up on, not ALL parks. New Orleans has several excellent candidates which you seem determined to ignore.
Ok, so just to sum up your argument here:
Your hypothesis is that ALL of the other visual clues in the image are general city references, or references to other parks(
seriously??
), and that it HAS to be Lafayette Park because of the statue. Meanwhile, as far as the verse goes, the digging clues don’t match the park, and none of the surrounding area helps us work backward to a strong match with any of the location clues in the verse, either.
You don’t seem to be hearing me, so I’ll say it again:
We did not ignore Lafayette Square!
We’ve gone there several times. We saw the statue, before anyone else mentioned it. In person, it is not that close of a match, but nonetheless, we were hoping it was a enough strong connection to work from.
(This is
in spite
of the fact the park doesn’t fit the pattern we have seen in the other solutions.)
We tried to work backward from every part of the verse and from every part of the image.
If you think from the viewpoint of the puzzle creator,and look around from there were LOTS of obvious choices of architectural clues from Lafeyette Square. Yet none of them are good matches for the image.
Meanwhile, there ARE plenty of clues in the image besides the figure. I believe they’ve pretty much all been posted here before.
We have :
PRESERVATION (Preservation Hall is right next to Armstrong Park)
A ball mask with exaggerated features
A strange posture for the hand
A clockface with IV instead of IIII
A distinctively shaped minute hand
Second hand pointing to III, which has a dark mark next to it.
2 different types of flowers on the clock
2 arrows pointing to P and N
Moon and stars motif within the arch.
The mask is covering 6,7,8 (sum to 21).
Architectural stylings:
A triple arch (match for THOUSANDS of windows in new orleans….yet NONE visible from Lafayette Square Park)
What looks like a bridge on the top of the clock, over checkers which are overlaid with blue and wavy as if underwater
The design of the sides and bottom of the clock
Outline possibilities
top of the cuff
right side of the sleeve
right and left sides of the clock
By the way – the harlequin is a strongly associated figure with Mardi Gras. It could just as easily be dismissed as a general new orleans clue as the other clues you so easily dismissed.
After looking at all the possible matches for both the verse and the image, this park doesn’t have much. No matter HOW much your gut wants it to be the right park, it doesn’t matter if there is no good fit for the digging instructions. If you have new suggestions, fine. Let’s hear them.
But by insisting “THIS IS THE PLACE,” you’re effectively ruling out the other parks, some of which I have many more strong matches listed for than Lafayette,  (For pages and pages of the thread!) That’s not helpful or constructive. It’s just frustrating as hell for those of us actually trying to make some progress. And winking doesn’t make it less so.

Second hand pointing to III, which has a dark mark next to it.
2 different types of flowers on the clock
Still think the 2 flowers… one a narcisus and the other is the girl’s dress
Second hand pointing to the III … isn’t that the exact direction of the Brick Wall Bench from the center statue if facing the center statue from the McD statue?
Can someone PLEASE get us a good full picture of that Brick Wall Bench thing?

Forrest

There are a ton of great options for visuals from Lafayette Square, none of which match anything in the picture. We have plenty of things from image 7 that we know are clues, none of which match Lafayette Square – with the exception of this debatable statue, (whose posture does not match the image.) I might buy that link if there were tons of other connections…instead we have almost zero.

Forrest

We are looking at (or have ruled out) the following parks: City Park, Audubon Park, Lafayette Square, Armstrong Park, Harlequin/Tourmaline/Tiara/Preidot Park, Lakeshore Park, Coliseum Park, Jackson Square, Woldenberg Park and The Garden of the Americas.

Forrest

Time to move on, people. (At least until there is a GOOD reason to come back.)

You find me another statue that looks even “remotely” similar to our clock boy and I may follow but until then……  Personally, and I don’t think it is just me around here, I think that the McD statue is ‘almost’ a dead ringer.
Until you find a casque elsewhere, I would say that ALL of those parks are still very valid possibilities.
I would say a casque is a pretty good reason…

Unknown

Unknown:
probably completely random, and flying in the face of all the work done on P8/V1, but the statue in the upper left image (the Grand Army of the Republic Memorial at Chalmette Cemetery) seems to have three things slight (and winged?) in the center of 4 alike (cannons)

So, are you certain that the image in one of the squares is from Chalmette Cemetary, or it just looks similar?
Trainor

how about this for your mnemonics:
at the place where jewels a
bound-
———audubon
f
ifteen rows down to the gr
oun
d———–fount, go, ground
in the middle of twen
ty-one
—————– tain   (tion), one, women
from end
to end
——————————————ten, on, one, end
only three stand w
atch
——————————————take
as the sound of
friends-
————————————————–find, side
f
ills the afternoon h
our
s——————————-four, our, honor, hour, for  (shower, lol, find take shower)
here is a sovereign
people–
——————————————–people, pole, popp
who build palaces to s
helter
——————————————-here, shelter, three
their heads for a n
ight
————————————————–git
gn
omes adm
ir
e——————————————————————–ring, dream, mad, (diamond?) (lol, git mad)
f
ay’s d
elight
———————————————————————-left
the
namesakes meeting
————————————————————————–(makasine) magazine
near this
site
—————————————————————————————–st.
i’ll work on it …..it’s early……..
remember the solved ones didn’t go in order ( i think)
is there a flagpole near?
and sheesh what if this is the wrong verse and it’s just saying “meeting” st…….ugh……….no, not gonna go there, ’cause that is pointing to the sundial obelisk at white point gardens on meeting street in charleston
4 pole shelter?
audubon ground (go, round) one end take find four people (pole) here git ring left magazine st.
audubon go one end take side for people shelter git ring left magazine st.
find hour?  from image? 12 o’clock, or take the word
jewels
from the first line with audubon…..so start at the fountain and instead of “shelter” maybe use the word “here” and “four people”

slappybuns link

it’s supposedly 40′ by 15′

slappybuns

is that memorial plaque on camp street??   ’cause i like “camp” for “shelter their heads for a night”  line

Cheers…where did you find that…?
(…yep, I wondered about that too. It’s the Memorial Hall at 929 Camp St…)

it’s back on that picture i posted……..hold on i’ll find it
http://www.saveaudubonpark.org/web/saparchive/p4043.htm
2nd paragraph
it’s on p. 47 of this thread
lol, and here now……..sorry waiting on coffee

I think we must link the jockey in the picture to gambling and then link a few elements to the game of roulette.  With that, everything falls snugly into place.  Anyone care to guess what those elements are?

There are good similarities between the classic and antique roulette style table and the image7 clock.
The stick and mask may have been necessary to represent the croupier rake used to clear the chips off the table.
I really like the reverse pairing of the sides of the image to represent the older style spin-tower.
Well, there might not be any hat eating on my part, but I better start cleaning up the mess I made with so many of my errant theories.
R.I.P. Pizza Oven Theory
R.I.P. Paul Morphy Theory
…

A CNN report from earlier this evening might be of interest to this group:
Aerial shots indicate the city jewel — the French Quarter — remains
intact and relatively dry…
Café du Monde, the home of sugar-dusted beignets — puffy, rectangular
doughnuts — is still there. Just across the street behind Jackson Square,
the Cabildo and Presbytre museums still squat beside St. Louis Cathedral.
“By and large, the French Quarter seems to be dry,” Foreman noted.
“That’s important. That’s home to Preservation Hall.

I saw a video yesterday of the french quarter. turns out that area is well above sea level. it had some wind damage, but in general looks ok.
wilhouse

Hi everyone, Fox got me into this hunt!  I’ve lived in Louisiana all my life and in New Orleans for 1 1/2 years a few years back.  Just a little input, Traveler probably has much more to offer.  First of all, please pray for both the people and the beautiful city of New Orleans.  I now live on the other side of the state and we have been helping the evacuees for the last week and it is desperate.  I am destraught about my beloved oak trees in City Park, hoping they can survive the water.
Anyway, I finally read all the post for this P.  Ya’ll have done some really good research. Right now, all I can add is that if it is in the Vieux Carre’…you will definately need permission to dig.  Unless, the author had a piece of land privately that goes along with the lock theory and you can get there via a lock as has been mentioned in a previous post.  When I look at the mask, I don’t see a Mardi Gras mask…some people have mentioned a death mask, but there are also things called “life masks”.  This is what it looks likes to me.  A mask of someone in their youth or at least while they are alive.  Yes, it really looks like Satchmo. Also, the sleeve looks almost like a vase. And, the hand is not natural. I have several masks and have tried to hold in that position and just can’t do it.  It seems the artist is too good to draw the hand in such an unnatural shape.
I’ve sent several posts to Fox reguarding City Park because he asked if anything just screamed N.O. at me without doing the research.  With no research…just going with my gut, I put V2 as the verse for these reasons. 1. At a place where jewels abound…at Mardi Gras plastic beads are thrown and coveted like precious jewels. 2.As the sound of friends Fills the afternoon hours I thought of the peristyle and other places in City Park. 3.Here is a sovereign people…the Mardi Gras krewes have the Kings and Queens which rule for the entire year till they are replaced the next year. 4.Gnomes admire Fays delight The namesakes meeting Near this site…Storyland at City Park is a Fairytale theme park.  The best website for City Park is not working because of the disaster there right now.
However, all this was done with no research…just gut feeling and memory.  Ya’ll have done a great job and I am proud that so many people are learning about one of my favorite cities.  Just at this time, please give to the Red Cross, Salvation Army or some legitimate charity.  New Orleans, the city that care forgot, really needs your care right now.

Glad you are finally officially aboard Frosty.  Hope you are prepared for many sleepless nights and raging headaches.

We’re established that the flower in the right corner is a narcissus. What is the flower in the left corner? A lilly? I don’t know flowers.

I think they’re both intended to be narcissus (narcissuses? narcissi?).

From the sky view at local.live.com, Lee Circle reminded me of the clock face in Image7.  The arrow on the outer face, just beyond the roman numerals, looks like it could be the direction in which the traffic flows.  Then I counted the steps from the monument to the ground and it looks like 15.  Still looking for a better pic.  Maybe you guys in N.O. can look at it.  Here are two pics.  Do jewels abound around there?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/neworleans/523867003/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/anearthling/373411784/

boogieman

From the sky view at local.live.com, Lee Circle reminded me of the clock face in Image7.  The arrow on the outer face, just beyond the roman numerals, looks like it could be the direction in which the traffic flows.  Then I counted the steps from the monument to the ground and it looks like 15.  Still looking for a better pic.  Maybe you guys in N.O. can look at it.  Here are two pics.  Do jewels abound around there?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/neworleans/523867003/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/anearthling/373411784/

Lee Circle has crossed my mind a handful of times. Hell, I had a drink there last night (at the Circle Bar). But, I dunno, it’s a really bad place to be digging (lots and lots and lots of onlookers, in the middle of a hotel/museum/office building district).
The commercial building immediately behind Lee in the second image is the old headquarters of K&B Drugs, a huge drugstore throughout this region before they were purchased by Eckerd, IIRC. There was a sculpture garden in front of the office building that has since been moved to City Park.

Okay, let’s see some ideas on the moon and stars at the top of the clock. You know my thoughts, what are yours?

MrBackstop

Okay, let’s see some ideas on the moon and stars at the top of the clock. You know my thoughts, what are yours?

Super dome seems as good as any reference; also the water meters
https://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2018/07/water_bill_dispute_resolution.html

how do you get a permit in NOLA? for a dig

As far as I know NOLA does not allow digs or give out permits.
you would need to work with the property owner or local groundskeeper.
But on city property they are very strict.

Several people have mentioned the sewer covers but my question with that is, how does that relate to the Image? Those sewer covers are all over New Orleans. I think their designs are pretty cool but I don’t see how they could tie in with a solve.

The manholes are just a popular image of Nola because it known as the crescent city. I’ve seen it on t shirts coasters all sorts of merchandise. Just part of the Orleans culture imagery of moon and stars. In addition to beads they also throw out moon pies at Mardi Gras. To me it just confirms “yeah this is the city you’re looking for.”

fox

Yes, but Perseverance and Preservation are two different things…   :-\
i

i know was trying to find something else besides louis A, to put us in that park
just throwing it out there

fox

because everything else fits…

But it also fit San Francisco and now it also fits Montreal,  Kind of a generic verse so to speak…. it seems it’s easy to make that one fit anywhere.
so that it “Fits” in New Orleans, isnt actually a great reason… If it really really fit, you would have a casque or at least a pinpointed location…
but here in v2 you have a definite link to Link to New Orleans….

Yes, I see that now falcon.

In addition to the clock looking like Jackson Square, I am hoping someone can do some closeup magic and show the hands of the clock.  You will see a JS hidden in there.
There are also parts of the circle around the clock that are shaded.  They must mean something – either a location or some type of encoded word or numbers.  Hmmm.

Call me crazy, but all I can think about when I look at the clock is bicycles. Old ones. The large circle looks like a bicycle wheel with the part of the frame that connects to the hub. The hands of the clock resemble a stylized reflected bicycle, complete with handlebars. The fellow (who is NOT Peter Pan — sorry, no resemblance at all) looks like he is wearing sensible cycling clothes, with pants tucked into his socks like these fine gentlemen…

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i think of the guy on the clock and think of this
http://www.golfknickers.com/
and speaking of the clock, i found this and a pole
Perseverance Hall
http://crm.cr.nps.gov/archive/24-02/24-02-12.pdf
scroll down click on pics
http://www.crt.state.la.us/hp/nhl/searc … pageno=891
i think its a giant pole in pic on the left, no idea where in new o
has an option for larger view
http://monster-island.org/gallery/v/new … 4.jpg.html

That looks like a cell phone tower, which would not have been in place in 1981

cw0909

and speaking of the clock, i found this and a pole
Perseverance Hall
http://crm.cr.nps.gov/archive/24-02/24-02-12.pdf

Yes, but Perseverance and Preservation are two different things…

I’d like to share some, but the verse 2 thread seems to be broken… Are all the posts on the last page of v2 showing up for you? It stops loading halfway down for me, even though messages are being posted.

It does seem to be acting up.

…yeah, I PMed Mr Parry earlier, but meanwhile best continue here. Let’s hear what you got.  🙂
(Deuce, Verse 2 broke after your last post so maybe you could try editing/deleting it to see if that helps…)

Deuce

I’m exhausted on this New Orleans site. By all means share. Or give a hint.

Well, I really do think you all will have a fun time looking around, so my last post on V2 that didn’t show up is as follows:
I’ve already given you my three cents.
Turn the image counterclockwise and gather the jewels!
Gnomes would certainly admire you if you dared to dig.  D:)
Check out the middle of the 21 jewel, and fence there:
U n i  t  e d   S t a  t  e  s    o  f    A  m e  r  i  c  a
1 2 3 4 5 6   7 8 9 10 11 12  1314  15161718192021
I can hear the drums, and see them.
And the St. Charles is no longer there.
I would even say it’s possible that the Charleston image might have been inspired by BP’s visit
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3500/4001884379_93649464be_z.jpg?zz=1
😮
… Unless I am crazy.

I’ll try but four21 posted again after me last night. I saw it but now it’s not there.

Well, did my clues above make sense? I really wanted you all to be able to piece it together yourselves. Do you want me instead to just spit it out?

Have you been at the wacky baccy again?

WhiteRabbit

Have you been at the wacky baccy again?

yes.

Ah.
In that case, I’ll leave it to Erexere to figure out…

Did you see the poster at the link?

Too early on a Sunday for my brain to function properly!

Mm, yeah, not sure what you mean. Filmore West? Harlequin Park area?

I just thought the poster really obviously evoked the charleston image… no? The main portions all seem to map to each other – the lion, the dead, the fairy and her legs, triangle teeth with a star, the black circles on the fairy wings…

I saw the Greatful Dead poster..  You can follow the user specific posts from their profile. Click on show last posts by user.

erexere

I saw the Greatful Dead poster…

But did you find the coin?

I’m lost now, I don’t even know if we’re working NO, SF or Charleston.

WhiteRabbit

I’m lost now, I don’t even know if we’re working NO, SF or Charleston.

I was working on NO, and at my solve location I found that poster. It made me wonder if the poster inspired the Charleston image.
This is a sidewalk running alongside the spot (it’s practically jewels next to jewels):

Glossiphoniidae

But did you find the coin?

…
three cents
.
Start at the coin, find the sidewalk, start at jewelry, walk 21 from end to end on your left, go back to the middle, just across from gnomes, see the central image.

Nutz.

erexere

Nutz.

I’m nutz? The theory is nutz? Nutz we won’t be able to dig? Deez nutz?

So where is the jewelry sidewalk at?

My latest thoughts on the number 19 in the image, it is possible it represents the start day of Mardi Gras in 1980, Feb. 19th.  It also might be DAY&MONTH, 1 & 9, for November 1st, according to literal meaning (Novus = 9).  The interesting thing is the observance of All-Saints Day beginning at midnight is literally when the masks come off from Halloween.  Here in image 7 we have only an outstretched arm holding a mask, no longer wearing it, but raising it up to the midnight clock.  Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Deuce

So where is the jewelry sidewalk at?

Running along side the building where jewels abound.

Ohhhhh…… Ok. Now I got it.

Deuce

Ohhhhh…… Ok. Now I got it.

Great, where is it?

Its in New Orleans!!!
I was being sarcastic. Can’t get a straight answer.

If you really know just say it so we can move on to the other ones. Unless you plan on going there to get it then I understand.

The mint.

I’m off in my own corner here thinking about the LotJ and why it would mention the Summer Solstice day.  Then I considered how that is the Winter Solstice of the southern hemisphere.  Where does that put Honduras?
I’m beginning to see that the No.21 can be related to both a particular tomb and the solstice days, such as June 21 and Dec. 21.  In the middle is another way of saying 45 degreez of 90.  Its the link between astronomic postion and holidays.
Maybe it answers the question of why make use of a Sarmiento quote?

Glossiphoniidae

The mint.

Got it. Working on it.

I’m on the right track but not seeing your central image.

Seems to be Jackson Square…
…is that 15 rows…?

just an observation
the overhead view of the park resembles an hourglass…

Cheers Erexere…
Currently wondering ways in which the clockface might be interpreted as a Lafayette map. There are  decent street views available on Bing, eg here’s S Maestri…
…but the clearest overall view of the park layout I’ve found is from Google Earth…
I quite like the hand pointing to 3 as one of the paths leading to a circle on the map. Wondered about the mask as below, but don’t think so.
I’m still interested in the possibility of reading “XXI” as “21”. Eg, clock-boy might be looking at the dot in the middle of this one.

Cheers Erexere…
Currently wondering ways in which the clockface might be interpreted as a Lafayette map. There are  decent street views available on Bing, eg here’s S Maestri…
…but the clearest overall view of the park layout I’ve found is from Google Earth…
I quite like the hand pointing to 3 as one of the paths leading to a
circle
on the map. Wondered about the mask as below, but don’t think so.
I’m still interested in the possibility of reading “XXI” as “21”. Eg, clock-boy might be looking at the dot in the middle of this one.

Bravo,
this looks Great to me!

cw0909

compared it seems the right and left arm are wrong, this may have been deliberate, i think bp has turned
and changed the look of some objects, in other pics too

fox

The arms are reversed but I think this is it…

yes, that is what I said
…but this looks toooo close to be coincidental…even the space between back arm and leg/butt area…

Congrats!!!!! Beautiful baby… And great photoshopping too.

NOW I know who that mask reminds me of!!
Nice baby. Really. Very nice. You make nice babies.

While this may not ultimately propel the discovery of the casque, I’m convinced that the mask in image 7 (while certainly a reference to Mardi Gras) is meant to represent Louis Armstrong, who performed in “white face” as a teenager in New Orleans
https://tinyurl.com/l3esowl
. If you look at the broad nose and full lips on the mask and consider the Armstrong connections, it’s a match.

fox

Now that is interesting.

I know, right? To be sure, I’m still inclined to think that the lines with numbers (15 rows, 21 end to end, 3 stand watch) almost have to be specific dig instructions if a casque recovery is ever going to be possible. Even so, it seems like an interesting possibility, especially with the general interest in Lafayette Square and the direct connection to St. Charles.

jmyoung15

Very interesting! I may have to look into that possibility a little more, then. It would certainly be a good choice/fit with the book from a thematic standpoint.

Yes, the port of disembarkment where tens of thousands began the American adventure is maybe 50 yards away. There is an immigrant monument(placed post 1981) near the spot.
The starting point in our theory is at the top of the steps near Artillery Park directly across the street from St. Louis Cathedral (fifteen rows down to the ground). This spot also provides the iconic beautiful view of Jackson Square and St. Louis Cathedral as well as a good bit of the French Quarter.

jmyoung15

4. According to the New Orleans Pictorial History, the 1894 fire burned down fifteen buildings from the old St. Charles Hotel to Lafayette square.

Now that is interesting.

BrandonH

Yes, the port of disembarkment where tens of thousands began the American adventure is maybe 50 yards away. There is an immigrant monument(placed post 1981) near the spot.
The starting point in our theory is at the top of the steps near Artillery Park directly across the street from St. Louis Cathedral (fifteen rows down to the ground). This spot also provides the iconic beautiful view of Jackson Square and St. Louis Cathedral as well as a good bit of the French Quarter.

I’ve definitely been intrigued by the Jackson Square area, too. In addition to the fifteen steps (rows?) down to the ground, the three spires on the cathedral are the most clear-cut “three stand watch” match I’ve experienced–one of those “aha!” moments, for sure. However, what concerns me is that interpreting those two clues in that way seemingly leaves “in the middle of twenty-one from end to end” as the only remaining clue as to a specific shovel-in-the-ground location. That’s not to say that doing so is wrong, of course, but if the poem doesn’t give a specific dig site, I’m afraid that a casque recovery is going to be very difficult.

i think whiterabbit, because you are still using verse 7 to get where you are going, and i just can’t get past verse 2, with the references to new orleans
because without that, and with the hour hand pointing to the “v” and louis armstrong (rhapsodic), you could try verse 11  also……..see it’ll drive you crazy.
that would be really cruel of BP to use a quote from a book about a place (tho we don’t know if he means “new orleans” the city, or “st. charles street/hotel”)
or even if he used a double meaning like “new orleans” /mushroom (hotel)
so, you might have the right place from the image, but (as they keep telling us), the verse is going to get you to where to dig
can you get to where you are going from verse 2?  (jewels abound/elsian fields road or all the jewels parks above storyland?)
but i think that line still gets you to “storyland”, jewels abound in fairy tales
you do such good map work, can you get us somewhere specific from verse 2? (i’m sorry, i’m stuck with verse 2 here)

slappybuns

that would be really cruel of BP to use a quote from a book about a place

The same book puts Edwin and Edwina in Charleston. So do you connect V6 just as assuredly with I2 …?
It’s funny though, because V6 also has a much better-known quotation with a clear connection to San Fransisco.
This puzzle has cross-references all over the place, and it’s an amazingly obscure source to base two of the solutions around. I’d rather go with something that seems crashingly obvious, like that sign…!
OK, I’ll leave it now. But if anyone tells me to focus on the obvious again, they’d better look out for flying paperbacks.  😉

yes i do
(verse 6/image 2)
that book: abroad in america, visitors to a new nation…..says it all,  immigrations, the point of the fair folks, i think
treasure island is about pirates and treasure——and it could point to the author himself…..hopefully,
but you are right, we haven’t solved any of the others yet, so maybe you’ll find something that no one can refute.
i’m not a good refuter
believe me, if you find “the one thing”  we will jump behind you all the way

I believe I’ve found most of the elements in the image vis-a-vis Lafayette Square and surrounding area. I have only one element of the verse yet to find for an exact location.
It will not be Storyland OR Armstrong park. The girl’s dress on the McDonogh statue is similar enough to the cuff around the loupe-garoux hand to make a match. The figure on the clock is not merely similar to the boy on that same statue, it is identically posed except for the costume it wears. The “namesakes” fit for Lafayette and gnome (little person) for that same statue. There are at least 21 trees in the park–but the difficulty is finding what might be considered “end to end” and “the middle”, since the park is square and the trees are scattered around that square, not in a line anywhere. The bollards along the path have been dug up and replaced since 1980. The casque will not be in one of the flower beds. Nearby is Gallier Hall, and James Gallier is buried in a tomb in St. Louis cemetery #3, which is next to a racetrack (the fairgrounds  racetrace: Fair- Ground–also a “namesake” for Fey and Gnome, since the word gnome means “earth creature”) and the figure on the clock is dressed as a jockey. The scrollwork present in the cemetery is eerily similar to the clock hand, and there is a distinct 3 on that hand (above JJP’s initials.)  The animal figure in the bottom of the I. is possibly a horse–hard to tell. Gallier Hall is James Gallier’s “namesake” building. It is directly across from Lafayette Square.
The only difficulty I’ve been having is that there seemed to be no “15 rows down to the ground”. But I found that today. Just diagonally across from Gallier and Lafayette is Lee Circle–and the monument is circular, at the top of a mound with 15 STEPS DOWN TO THE GROUND at each point of the compass. This presents a bit of difficulty in one way–iLee Circle is a traffic circle and there is almost NO place one might be able to conceal a burial for a casque. Unless one were to maybe dress up like a road-crew worker? (as has been noted in past information). However, if that IS part of the location, then “in the middle of 21 is not in the middle of 21 trees, because there aren’t any there at Lee Circle and never have been. I am still researching what 21 might be in that case.

What I’m finding slightly baffling here is that I’m trying to simplify, to focus on the obvious, to look for clear visual matches, since this is what people keep telling me. But now I’ve actually found one, no-one will comment on it.

Sign for Preservation Hall, a famous New Orleans jazz club. Hmm, sounds a bit like the “Preservation” sign on the clock.
Doorway opposite that looks like the clock.
Just down the road, another sign. Oh look, a golden flower.
And another one!
Looks a bit like a golden arch above them…
In fact, now I come to think of it, the whole thing looks exactly the same.
At stone wall’s door
The air smells sweet
I wonder what that could possibly mean.

WhiteRabbit — I don’t disagree with the Preservation Hall link. And I like the door across the street matching the grandfather clock. But what does all this gain us? There is nowhere to bury a casque near there, and we already know the image is a reference to New Orleans.

(Thanks for the feedback Forest. I know Preservation Hall is old news, but the floral sign at Jackson Square is what caught my attention, continuing the trail a short distance down St Peter’s. Take the Preservation Hall doorway plus the sign, add Louis as a symbol of the cathedral, and that accounts for pretty much the whole image. Just to clarify the map, I’m going from Preservation Hall to the sign at Jackson Square, not the other way round. I’m not actually sure exactly where it is, or if there might be more than one.)
These lampposts are everywhere.
(Yeah, I know I sound like a broken record. I just like lampposts, OK.)
Here’s a lamppost and a Dame Blanche to boot. I’m in hog heaven.
Was it impossible for BP to dig in some quiet corner of this place…?

I have a new idea for New Orleans.
In my last trip to New Orleans, I believe I’ve found the right location, but time did not allow for digging.
The spot has not been mentioned in any posts I’ve found.
If you live there, or are seriously going there I will share what I’ve found.
Please email me privately
[email protected]
Thank you,
Chad

chad, the hunters here all share ideas freely. we are not in it for the prize, heck, the prize may not even exist anymore. we just want them found. please share what you have found and maybe number three can be found. welcome to the hunt!

An observation- look at the clock face and the little rainbow shape above it. Is it my imagination, or is that a picture of a padlock. And if so, could the three numbers in the corners be the combination to said padlock?

well, according to the book, all the casques are buried.

This is true, but many preserves have combination locks on the gate, where only invited parties are given the combination.

Yes, I do think that area is the solution.
If you use verse seven to start at DuMonde and
walk the mile along the river towards the (now) casino
you will get to the boat dock.
I strongly believe that the solution was across the street
of that spot where ‘Liberty Place’ used to be.
It was a Giant Pole (and although) it was in the middle
of a busy street, the greenry of the street island provided
exactly one direction to take a giant step from the pole and
land on diggable earth.
Sadly, the street, the pole, and the street island have been
recontrusted or moved since later in the 1980’s.
I have a well documented trail of photos on the threads here
(probably under verse seven) with street views and original
obelisk shots.
The boat took you to a Mradi Gra factory across the river and
there was a large masked sculpture beconing one to board.
I’m sure you would be staring at it when you were digging up the
casque.

Hi!  New guy here.  Upon looking at this picture, the two numbers in the upper portion of the clock (19 29) stuck out to me as a date.  A quick google search led me to January 2, 1929.  On this date, the US and Canada agreed upon a new plan to preserve Niagra Falls.  Has this possibility been followed?  Please LMK.

eljayo

“In the middle of twenty-one”
a football filed have 21 lines… Roosevelt Mall Dr run between two football field…
looking for more…

Also to consider, the stands around the football field form a U, the 21st letter in the alphabet.

one more…
“At the place where jewels abound”
==(tourmaline park/ harlequin park) neighborhood
If you stand in Robert E Lee Blvd and Orleans Ave (neighborhood’s south border) and go south…
“Fifteen rows
(streets)
down
(south)
to the ground”
(?)
1-. Walker St
2-. Mouton St
3-. Chapelle St
4-. Filmore St
5-. Porteous St
6-. Lane St
7-. Bragg St
8-. Harrison Av
9-. French St
10-. Germain St
11-. Polk St
12-. Brooks St
13-. Kenilworth St
14-. Florida Blvd
15-. Roosevelt Mall Dr=>
You are in an entrance of City Park!
“In the middle of twenty-one”
a football filed have 21 lines… Roosevelt Mall Dr run between two football field…
looking for more…

Question:  in 1981-2, would BP have had some kind of aerial view of the city park map?  It’s a great match from the air, but would he have known it existed then?
c

shecrab

Question:  in 1981-2, would BP have had some kind of aerial view of the city park map?  It’s a great match from the air, but would he have known it existed then?
c

I think no needed an aerial view (available on that date), just a park’s map.
Even the clock’s elements are so easy to see from the ground… they are just concentrical semi-circles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tad_Gormley_Stadium
http://clarionherald.org/20000817/art501.htm
Nice find Eljayo!  According to this, the field is located within City Park.  I don’t know how I missed this years ago.
The verse screams football field.  I had always thought it was college ball.  Can the high school be nearby,
Namesakes meeting near this site
?  Hear is your link to City Park from Local.live.  Scroll north and you’ll see the field.
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&c … &encType=1

If the casque was indeed buried in City Park, it seems to me a lot more likely that the “namesakes” refer to statues of fairies and gnomes that are in Storyland, the children’s fairy-tale park.
c

Thanks Boogie,
My reaction was similar, when I was counting the streets from “jewel abound” neighborhood, and found 15th street (Roosevelt Mall Dr)  entering City Park and then see both fields beside Roosevelt Mall Dr.
One of them is obvious (Tad Gormley Stadium), the other field is a running track, but inside is a football field!!!
So Roosevelt Mall Dr run between two american football field matching the part of verse “
In the middle of twenty-one
“
Here is the link with the best point of view:
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=29.989699~-90.09797&style=h&lvl=17&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=2712062&encType=1
(Close welcome window and expand it)
Is hard to find other verse’s details using internet resources (something like Giant squid’s find in
http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/http://test.quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?p=66992#p66992
), I think We need to visit the park and take a look of details to complete the verse.
keep looking…

If you think that miss muffet’s dress seems like the sleeve in P7…
I think this mask seems like a shovel…
Perhaps the casque spot is in front of Miss Muffet???? Verse isn´t clear…

I haven’t seen anybody mention this but it seems so obvious. The time being shown on the clock goes from 9 to 5. I can only imagine this is an extremely obvious clue that we should be in the central business district (CBD) in new orleans. It’s a popular area, right next to the french quarter, contains lafayette square park, the super dome, the former location of the st charles hotel from the quote in the verse etc. I can’t think of another explanation and I have a hard time believing it’s just by chance. Also, anyone from new orleans knows that the term “central business district” is as commonly said as “the french quarter”, meaning this isn’t by not some obscure reference, but something that anyone from new orleans would be very aware of once they saw the 9 to 5 clue.
This would rule out Armstrong Park, City Park, jackson square, lee square etc.
I think this is very good evidence that any theory outside the CBD is very likely not it.

Thoughts in the words DIG and JAX in clockboy’s leggings?

Grant Park?  Grant Park was in Chicago where the casque was found.  Is there a Grant Prk in NO as well?  What happend to Jackson Sq?

So if this is a construction type puzzle and the key is applying the unit width of the Turquoise in the image in a pseudo-chess motif, you get a 8 x 2 rectangle, and used as paces looks like this in the middle of Basin street,
After the 8 paces from Morazan, you could go either direction, 2 paces towards the Cemetery or 2 paces towards the center of the neutral ground,

I’m running on visual estimations and relying on Google Maps here, but this is looking better now that I see some reasonable evidence to support each piece of the puzzle:
1) Indicators of Tomb No. 12: clock time is 12, child statue on tomb is sad (blue), floating figure looks like Hermes, contour of the side of clock looks close to contour of weeping statue
2) Indicators of Morazan: PRES of Centeral America (where namesakes of Amerigo Vespucci meet), triangle in circle looks similar to shaded crescent of moon on clock, hem of pants fits the reversed hem of arm sleeve, one of only three standing statues along Basin street, from end to end
3) Midsummers Day = June 24th = 6/24. 6/24 is a ratio of 1/4 or one-quarter. The estimation of distance shows that 19 paces is the distance from Morazan’s base to the intersection perpendictular to the line with Weeping statue. Turn 90 degrees, like the knight chess piece and walk a quarter of that distance further.
I have two dig spots to consider. The meaning of “In the middle of 21” is still something of a mystery to me.

We know the Turquoise is patently linked to France, but I can’t shake the thought that there’s also room for a Turkish connection. Obviously I’m thinking of the word sound similarity, but I just now realized there is actually a good reason behind this idea if the thematic key really is linking the two crescents in this image. The symbols on the flag of Turkey are a moon crescent and a star.

WhiteRabbit

(There’s a cute 360deg panorama at
www.jackson-square.com
. “Contact us if you have any questions about Jackson Square”, they say. Did they have any idea about Semele? Nope.)

Unknown

Unknown:
The sole citation I have been able to locate concerning the statues in each corner of Jackson Square is a cursory mention in the Daily Picayune of 16 November 1856:
…The four corners of the square are each encircled with a marble representative of the four seasons, with its appropriate symbolism…
Without seeing photographs of the statues and analyzing their iconography, I cannot say with certainty if they were meant to depict specific deities.    Many local 19th century journalists were well-versed in classical mythology, so the failure of the local press to more fully describe the statues is both unexpected and disappointing.     It is clear that, when the statues were new, they were described as representing the four seasons.  Unfortunately, neither the artist’s name nor more specific information about the statues seems to have published.

They suggested I contact the ‘Historic New Orleans Collection’, which I did, and they just got back to me. Doesn’t sound like anyone knows anything about these.

forest, i think the checkered pattern was just to lead us to harlequin park. i think bclews mentioned harlequin park  and eliayo had the 15 streets down to city park to go with verse 2.
i did think your lines could make RR and there is a historic train garden at city park.
the football fields- “in the middle of 21”
the peristyle building–the shape of the clock——–does anyone know how many lions are on that building?
the barking horse–the carousel
http://flickr.com/photos/ventriloblog/1 … otostream/
the puffed sleeves–storyland (and maybe my humpty dumpty w/stick also)
the two designs (flowers?) to left and right of clock face remind me of the two angels at the entrance of City park
peter pan—-http://www.roadsideamerica.com/tips/getAttraction.php?tip_AttractionNo==4433
the hand in the image looks like an archer’s hand (to me). is there an archery range  there in City Park? or maybe a Robin Hood in Storyland? or sherwood forest?
i had a great “aha” moment this morning when i found this in the Botanical Garden (rose garden):
http://www.neworleanspast.com/art/id49.html
but i’m not sure how long it has been there
the dirty nails are probably his way to tell us to dig, lol. (or the big bad wolf)
are the 3 little pigs in storyland? for only 3 stand watch? night-knight, gnomes and dwarfs or trolls? surely there’s a fairy or ogre.
i really feel it’s right there at Storyland.

Nope, no theory, but I though it was interesting. Let’s see what people think.
Still seeing new things even after 3 years… who’d a thunk?

slappybuns

…the two designs (flowers?) to left and right of clock face remind me of the two angels at the entrance of City park…

Jambone found those symbols in this flower —
http://www.agilitynut.com/06/3/story3.jpg

I’m showing this again for the new guy Ringo, assuming everyone else has seen this.  The most glaring thing in the image is the one, maybe two arched bridges over the water.  Can you see this color difference?  My guess, the bridges in City Park…

Gnome= a person regarded as having secret or sinister influence, especially in financial matters.
Gnome may also mean actual gnomes! This is a snippet from the Roosevelt (formerly the Grunewald) hotel in New Orleans
Located among the flurry of excitement on Canal Street, the Grunewald quickly established itself as a centerpiece of the city’s acclaimed entertainment scene. The Cave, with its grotto-like atmosphere, filled with architectural rock formations, nymphs and gnomes, was regarded as one of the country’s first nightclubs, and kept revelers up all hours, dancing to the sounds of Dixieland jazz.
Gnomes admire the Fay’s delight??
Fays=French??
Gnomes watching in admiration as the patrons of The Cave eat drink and be merry????
Super new to this, which is most likely already obvious but I thought this was interesting.

Captain Mike

Gnome= a person regarded as having secret or sinister influence, especially in financial matters.
Gnome may also mean actual gnomes! This is a snippet from the Roosevelt (formerly the Grunewald) hotel in New Orleans
Located among the flurry of excitement on Canal Street, the Grunewald quickly established itself as a centerpiece of the city’s acclaimed entertainment scene. The Cave, with its grotto-like atmosphere, filled with architectural rock formations, nymphs and gnomes, was regarded as one of the country’s first nightclubs, and kept revelers up all hours, dancing to the sounds of Dixieland jazz.
Gnomes admire the Fay’s delight??
Fays=French??
Gnomes watching in admiration as the patrons of The Cave eat drink and be merry????
Super new to this, which is most likely already obvious but I thought this was interesting.

That’s a great find!

Some pics of The Cave

JoshCornell1

to be fair, someone already came up with this and related it to the statues in lafayette square

On this forum…? Shecrab mentioned it, but not the gnomes. Credit where credit’s due.

gManTexas

That’s a great find!

Yeah, well spotted…they’re about the most plausible gnomes anyone’s come up with yet.

I was pretty sure the ‘dragon’ was a outline of louisianna
like the cleveland picture contained an outline of ohio….

Malted, that’s another reason I *originally* thought it was N.O., and also why I no longer think it is. His hidden pictures are hidden well… maybe others saw it, but never saw the Ohio outline until I found out about the find.
If you ask me, there are too many obvious pointers to New Orleans. My money (which is none, of course) says it’s anywhere but there.
Matt

A couple more thoughts on this image —
Might the clock face indicate direction rather than time?  The ‘twelve o’clock’ position meaning directly ahead.  Someone mentioned what looks like a second hand on the clock.  I believe it is the alarm hand.  This is how the alarm time was set on older clocks (do grandfather clocks have alarms?).  Why is it set at three o’clock?  Direction again?
Also the 19, 29, and 90 MIGHT indicate feet or paces in the given directions.  Go straight for 19, turn right go 29, turn right again and go 90.

mxb, I have to say I disagree.  If we discounted all the obvious pointers to every picture I don’t think we’d have anything at all.
As for being obvious, it hasn’t helped us determine which verse is tied to this, or really gotten us any closer.
I still believe this is NO, but without the verse, we can’t go anywhere at all.
wilhouse

One other thing; the seconds hand points to III and the edge is the only one colored in.  There is definately a clue there, but I don’t know what it means….
ABQRAM

I don’t know, this may be too obvious.
I believe the figure on the clock face is a
harlequin
figure, the mask is a
harlequin
mask, and the pattern on the wall is a
harlequin
pattern (though usually diamonds, not squares).
So the keyword (for me) seems to be
harlequin
.  Besides the obvious Mardi Gras reference, there just happens to be a Harlequin Park in New Orleans.
What do you think?

Well, I’m all for disagreement… that what makes forums like this all the more valuable. The odds of getting something right are a lot higher when there are a lot of differing voices heard from.
Anyway, my main reason for thinking it’s not N.O., besides the oddly visible state outline, are the lat/long numbers. In no other picture are numbers that are (or are believed to be) lat/long numbers so blatantly displayed. Pic 4 (Cleveland) had the l/l numbers visible, but they were masked by the fact that they were in the engraved years. In my opinion, if the l/l numbers were real, they wouldn’t be so overtly displayed.
Also, don’t forget that N.O. *isn’t* at 90 and 29… it’s at 90 and 30. Since he’s not trying to disguise the numbers in the pic, why would he use a number that’s simply wrong?
Last thing on this and then I’ll shut up. I’ve read through the posts on pic 4 before Egbert found it. Seems like most posters to this forum, including Egbert, were convinced it was Philly (as I was) because of the somewhat obvious “L Bell” reference. You can bet that Preiss did that on purpose and it worked.
In my view, it’s working again on this pic. Now, I have no idea if my Isle Royale theory is any good, and I would tend to suspect that it has a few too many holes. But I think we need to start thinking outside the box on this one.
Respectfully,
Matt

For the record, Harlequin Park in New Orleans is on Jewel Street on one side and Turquoise Street on the other.  The other streets in the area are also named after gems.

while it’s not as obvious as in some pics, Image 8 in the trees clearly shows the lat/long of Houston (95/30).
here’s the link
http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/yabb/cg … 9&start=30
wilhouse

as far as the lat lon being spot on or not.
Pix 1 to me is undoubtedly San Franciscol
The Lat and lon is actually Richmond. close enought that if you were reading Lat and Lon off of a Globe, its about what you’d get.
Mind you in 1982 that was about the easiest way to get a lat and lon, prior to gps, and the internet…
So far the pictures are pretty blatent, without a lot of red herrings – i.e the majority of the clues in the chicago picture points to chicago. The majority of the clues in the cleveland picture point to ohio, there were a couple ringers but in all the pictures but still, I mean everybody was sure pix 1 was SF before the lat/lon clues and the GGpark clues were found. it was just a look and feel thing, so far, look and feel of the pictures hasn’t been a red herrring…
and the look and feel of image 7 is definetly New Orleans…

Matt, how can you call the clues in the pictures blatant? Two jewels have been found in 22 years! How far has going with “the look and feel thing” gotten all of us? You don’t know pic 1 is SF just as much as you don’t know pic 7 is New Orleans. None of us do. And less that a year ago, the common expectation was that pic 4 was Philly.
Yes, the clues in the Cleveland and Chicago picture point to their respective cities. They’re supposed to. But they’re anything but blatant. Look at pic 4: the Ohio outline is very subtle, as is the building outline in the trees. The lat/long numbers are evident, but they’re buried in the years. The wall and fountain are specific to the park. Basically, what I’m saying is that this pic doesn’t “scream out” Cleveland. Nor does the Chicago pic scream out Chicago.
So all I’m saying is that we have to give BP some credit here. For 22 years, even through the advent of the Internet and forums like this, he’s been able to keep us fooled. And I contend that a big part of it is his ability to get us thinking one way so that we overlook others.
If the casque is in N.O., then I’m wrong and maybe going with the “gut feel” you get from a pic is correct. But two casques in 22 years? My gut says we need some new guts.
Please don’t take offense to anything I’m saying. You may very well be right. But I’d love to see all of these solved and all I’m trying to do here is foster new thoughts. Not necessarily rule the old ones out, but just drive new ones.
Matt (B)

How about a “spoon” is a golf club, back when they were wooden. The spoons were the clubs in a set of “woods,” not inclusive of the driver… think about the line, “Of a forest.” The hand does seem to be holding a wooden stick. City Park Golf Course… to the south?
Darn the interwebs and my wandering mind.

So, does anybody else see a spoon in the image?

The wrist fabric is spoon, clearly.

any thoughts on what it may be?

I like the implication that the spoon is a shovel and it’s set at the base of a pole in connection with Louis Armstrong.

erexere

I like the implication that the spoon is a shovel and it’s set at the base of a pole in connection with Louis Armstrong.

… literal. I like it.
I found Ben Butler captured New Orleans during the civil war. He was known as “Beast” and “Spoons,” because he put a bunch of silver spoons from some mansion “up his sleeve.” Considering the “Loup Garoux” history in Lousiana and the very-Frenchly surrendering (read waving white flag) claw, the silver would make sense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVzU3DnLC0A
– LOL!!!
“My precious!!”
He’s also the one who tapped “Preserved” into the Jackson monument base.
Or, consider Storyland, and the “Hey, Diddle Diddle” scene… the dish ran away with the…

I like silverware = silver were-wolf.  Amending my previous thought, spoon = dig, located at wrist = base of hand.
The center pivot of the clocks hands = base of hands.  I think its a good case for finding a dig spot at a position relative to 12 and almost 3 o’clock.
A reason for the werewolf tie-in may mean look for a full-circle shape like that of a full moon.

regulus, i think that little flying guy is what led us to harlequin park (and the checkered design), and the roads named for jewels, and 15 streets down from that is city park (from verse 2).  but the baseball cap, or jockey hat, i dunno.  i do like peter pan because he is flying, and the stars make me think of fairy dust. (2nd star to the right and straight on til morning, or something like that, to neverland)  there’s lots of characters in peter pan, just not sure if storyland has them.  i’ve tried to find images in the outlines of his body, like where his hand touches his leg, i could imagine a crocodile (who swallowed the clock), but that’s just my imagination probably. (most likely, lol)
when i first got my book, i thought the splash of green between his legs was the jewel, lol. not until later did i realize it was above the clock.
do your books have that splash of green between his legs?
the clock hands look like an owl or bug or something to me.
i think maltedfalcon said the barking horse was shaped like new orleans, but i like the carousel horse.
i figured the checkered pattern got wavy because it was material, like a flag, or the white rabbit’s jacket
i have no idea what those scratches (columns) are on the clock
scottrocks, why do we need a fence? i’ve been using verse 2 with this.
i just looked at the carousel horse head again and it looks like a checkered pattern around the top, look:
http://flickr.com/photos/ventriloblog/1 … otostream/
jambone, mushrooms could also  be “palaces to shelter their heads”, i like that!
looks like a mushroom behind this gnome.
http://flickr.com/photos/nerboo/2136094 … 564639462/

regulus

also… have we located the horse?

That “horse head” might be a decent match for a dragon (the dragon is a slide), or maybe the big bad wolf, in Storyland:
Neither is as exact of a match as I’d like them to be, but I’ll throw them out there anyway.

the dashes on the clock face is what I was talking about around the rim of the clock face.  they seem randomly placed, i can’t find a pattern.  Palaces to shelter there heads for a night!  was from that book that the guys found.  I remember that it pertained to a hotel in New Orleans, Fox? Boogie? FB? anyone… confirm?  Obviously that line has been nailed and it couldn’t be anything else but the book quote?
-regulus

so…. now we just need to figure out what the little flying guy on the clock means… the random dashes on the outer rim of the clock.  and why the checker pattern starts to go all wavy towards the bottom of the image.  also… have we located the horse?  i remember someone posting a picture of these horse polls on a street.  BUT THOSE FLOWERS RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!

I agree that City Park is the likely park but I am not sure Storyland is the place. We need to find out if Storyland was fenced in baxk in the early ’80s. If it was it is not likely in Storyland. We will definately need the help of the Parks and Recreation Department on this one more then anyother. Not only do we have the suttle changes that 27 years bring but we also have the larger changes that Katrina brought. The P&RD likely has pre-katrina maps and pictures as well as maps and pictures from the early ’80s. Not just of City and Armstrong park but of sites in other parks that may match the verse.
If Storyland was not fenced in and something looked as though it matched back then. Then Storyland should be given thought.

regulus, i hope that didn’t sound like i figured out city park, i’m still new to the hunt. the people here found city park long time ago.
i’m just having fun with the hunt

If the cask is in new orleans, then Katrina, Dennis, even Andrew might have destroyed it, washed it away, or buried it under tons of rubble.

If the cask is in new orleans, then Katrina, Dennis, even Andrew might have destroyed it, washed it away, or buried it under tons of rubble.

We have thought about this much and have discovered that City Park was out of the floded area. and thinking from a psychological aspect
if BP realy knew what he was doing he would have burried this casque in area that was not likely to flod in the event of a hurricane.

Dambala

I met Travis today at his dig site …which I will not reveal under penalty of death
While I don’t agree with him on the site, I appreciate his path and how he got there. Also, he’s actually digging so that’s a good thing.
One thing someone said on another one of the puzzles that I completely agree with is that I think many people are making these puzzles out to be much more elaborate and cryptic than Preiss himself designed them to be. I’m not saying I think they’re easy but I think people get carried away and think they have to use the pythagorean theorem mixed with some witchcraft to solve these things. I personally don’t think they were meant to be that convoluted….but then again I don’t have a casque, do I?
I hope Travis is right, or someone local is right, I am admittedly biased towards a New Orleanian solving the puzzle. Of course I think I’m right but I’m struggling with the actual excavation part. Those who actually are digging have my mad respect because I have learned quickly that it ain’t as easy as you think.
Hats off to Travis, he was working his ass off today.

I wont ask where the site is obviously but did he find something in the picture that says dig here and matches up perfectly to his area? Kinda like the fence post in the solved one? Or is he going off the 15 rows in the middle of 21 clue?

JoshCornell1

yes. yes i did. thanks for asking. no not that clue. sorry, a niagara fallsian solved it…my apologies.

The sound and the fury signifying nothing.

JoshCornell1

yes. yes i did. thanks for asking. no not that clue. sorry, a niagara fallsian solved it…my apologies.

I guess they must define “solved” differently in Canada.

Dambala

Dambala, I’m at least listening to your song in a separate tab while I catch up on these boards… hope that says something for me as a Newbie.

JoshCornell1

@malted…thing is…i think my best bet to dig up a casque without getting arrested is in the north around boston or montreal…and i cant fathom they actually survived this long in the cold weather…the expanding and contracting from the winter to summer would have destroyed it completely id think.

And THERE it is. The excuse…..laid out long before even setting foot in the city. Well done

Regardless of the condition, the Plexiglas will still be retrievable and possibly shards of the casque. This depends on the casque material.

I think BP was not above using backward numbers. It’s just 91 (the longitude).

In any case, the image gets you to the place where the casque was buried.  I think there is concrete evidence that Image7 is N’orleans.  That is indisputable! (In my opinion
) Whether it is just a Mardi Gras mask or Armstrong might not matter much.  I think the task now is to take the verse and make it New orleans.  None of the verses remark about a mask or Armstrong.  Or do they?  Finding the starting point from the verse will lead you to recognize some things in the image, but not all.  We know there are visual clues and….can’t think….clues that are not visual that are worded in the verse that will put you on the X.
edit:   http://www.pbase.com/septembermorn/city_park_after_hurricane_katrina
Just adding this for the new hunters, tell me these first two picks don’t look like the top of the clock.  I know they are not exact, but the painting is a clock and the real things are bridges.  One right on top of the other.  Literally in the painting, figuratively in the pictures of City Park.(gee, that was smart)  Making the verse fit is the hard part.
…and another
As the sound of friends fill the afternoon hours
http://www.pbase.com/septembermorn/image/47200780

Kuh-Lai-Bah-Ti

Well, Preservation Jazz Hall is just that– a Jazz Hall.  What Louis Armstrong played was the Blues.  Even literally, it’s too far from being a match.  However, I said that the mask looks like Ray Charles.  Even the top part looks just like his hairline…

I think the mask more strongly resembles a young Louis Armstrong anyway.
Occam’s razor here.  Louis Armstrong is strongly identified with New Orleans (which, all other indicators point to, being the city for this image).  What would the significance of Ray Charles be?

Never one to challenge Mr. Occam –
this should visuallize a mute point:
http://www.maskworld.com/english/produc … g-mask–44

This is what I was thinking:

Personally, I think it’s too generic to resemble either one with any certainty.
Also, it’s MOOT point, not MUTE. Unless you’re being quiet about it, that is. And moot means “Open to debate”.

shecrab

Personally, I think it’s too generic to resemble either one with any certainty.
Also, it’s MOOT point, not MUTE. Unless you’re being quiet about it, that is. And moot means “Open to debate”.

I mix my metaphores quite regularly.
(I do know the diference between the two)
I tended for MUTE because it shouldn’t be worth discussing.
The mask is related to Mardi Gras.
We know this casque should end up in New Orleans.
We know that Ray Charles and Louis Armstrong were not white.
I have reasons to believe why it is white – which was part of my
previous solution.

Well, here’s Louis. I don’t think the mask resembles him that much. Just, as I said, generically (African-American male.)
The jawline is not full enough for me to identify it as Armstrong.

Not in King Louie’s case– it’s a determination of whether we need to see a Key or a Mute…
If anything, the Ray Charles idea is a ‘Blind Alley,’ on which I will remain mute.

Sorry to be so long in posting but I had a death to deal with. Shocker. Anyway the Bienville statue is out as it was moved from the train station to it’s spot now after this hunt started.

thanks lafitte.
i’m sorry you had to go through that.

erexere

I see your emphasis on constructive input. I’ve outlined several ideas of my own recently. You haven’t responded to them with any interest, so I’m inviting you to talk about your own ideas. Again, I’ll be happy to give you some constructive criticism.

This sure sounds like, “Keep trolling me, Dave.”

What do you think of this?
If the 29 and 90 represent degree measures for latitude/longitude, then perhaps the 19 is also a degree measure. I think at some point we arrive at point A and travelling 19 degrees takes us to point B (casque).

Unknown

Unknown:
If the 29 and 90 represent degree measures for latitude/longitude

Unknown

Unknown:
then perhaps the 19 is also a degree measure

Unknown

Unknown:
I think at some point we arrive at point A and travelling 19 degrees takes us to point B (casque)

Lots of evidence that this is true across all twelve images…
Very little, if any evidence to support this.
Way too many variables in the above equation for it to work with the level of precision we need to locate the Dig Spot. This is a word puzzle. The boys in Chicago tried to make it a math puzzle, and they ended up digging a dry hole big enough to hide in.

Thanks R. I didnt know that the Chicago team went with a math-heavy approach.
As far as evidence to support the 19 as a degree measure, I’m only citing that the lat and long numbers are in degree units. The visual consistency of the 19, 29, and 90 being drawn in the corners of the clock face ties them together in a simple rational way. When you say very little evidence supports the 19 as a degree measure and that theres lots of support in the other puzzles to suggest 29 and 90 are lat and long, it sounds like you’re unwilling to see any commonality.
If we have any basis to assume the 19 is a degree measure, then how can that be made useful to the puzzle? I’m suggesting one possibility, but it requires defining a precise point A in New Orleans. On that note, Im not sure of how that works with Basin street, or Lafayette Park, Storyland, etc. My goal isnt to perform a math exercise, but just to use a compass at some position and see if walking in a 19 degree direction provides some interesting results.

Good luck, remember to have fun, and be safe. It’s a tough puzzle, no matter how you look at it.

Hi, new to the board. I live in New Orleans and I think I have figured out a couple of things. If you turn the image upside down the clock actually becomes a map showing Jackson Square with the amphitheater across Decatur Street. I believe the clock hands are actually a sextant and the “90” means 90 degree angle from Jackson Square with the small hand on the clock point what would be SouthWest (if you invert the image). I think the “Namesakes” in Verse 2 refer to “St. Louis”. He’s guiding us through the Quarter from the middle, St. Louis Cathedral, to other landmarks that are named “St. Louis”.
In Verse 2, he states “Here is a sovereign people, Who build palaces to shelter, Their heads for a night”
That’s clearly a hotel.
He also states “As the sound of friends, Fills the afternoon hours”
I think that’s a bar.
Now it gets interesting because of this verse, “Gnomes admire, Fays delight, The namesakes meeting, Near this site.”
I think…I’m not sure…but I am have a hunch…”Fays delight” would mean what a fairy delights in. In New Orleans we are known for Absinthe “The Green Fairy” which also coincides with the turquoise theme. Now if we back up and look at the bar reference we come to the possibility he could have been referring to The Old Absinthe House which is an historic landmark on Bourbon Street.
I still haven’t figured out the “Gnomes admire” reference but I think I know what he means by “The namesakes meeting, near this site”. He’s referring to “St. Louis” and I think I know where he’s talking about. I’m going to go down to the Quarter tomorrow and check it out.
I will let you guys know if I’ve found anything.

I thought the gryphon head, was a horse head, in fact there is a hitching post in front of preservation hall with a horse head on it: it can be seen in the picture of the band sitting out front.
http://www.preservationhall.com/hall.html
Also here are some references that helped me tie this to verse 2:
“As the sound of friends
Fills the afternoon hours”
(the clock in in image 7 is 15 sec afternoon)
“gnomes admire
Fays delight”
(Tourquise the Fays of France keep: stone Rare as a blue midsummer’s day.) from the litany of the jewels (page 20)
“The namesakes meeting near this site”
(the preservation hall band)
Let me know what you think? anyone near new orleans?

Solid observations right there. I really like the McDonough statue as a chess piece on the checkerboard…..that’s brilliant.
I’ll restate my interpretation of the stars and moon to go with this:
The moon is the Superdome. The stars are the stars from the Dallas Cowboys helmet and this ties to the moon because the Cowboys played the Broncos in the first Super Bowl at the Superdome. The final score was Dallas 27 Denver 10. If you count the full stars you will find 27.
There are also 4 partial stars around the jewel in the image….3 to the left and 1 to the right. These are the 4 green lampposts in Lafayette Square around the Henry Clay statue. The lamppost to the right is my dig spot as I showed in the graphic.

I’ve noticed people use the moons/stars/celestial maps above the images and interpret it down below on the image as a map. This is the freemason’s concept, “as above, so below”.
Yet everytime I mention this I always get a pushback and read the “there’s no evidence” line. Perhaps people are using this concept without realizing it.
Great job MrB. I like to add that there might’ve been a fleur de lis, perhaps upside down that has been wiped off. A nod to saints and superdome.

Choice

Great job MrB. I like to add that there might’ve been a fleur de lis, perhaps upside down that has been wiped off. A nod to saints and superdome.

If any thing it looks more like one of the flowers in the upper corners.

Hey folks…on day 6 of prodding I am about 70% positive I hit the plexiglass today. I am going to ask the officials for permission to dig in the spot, I am optimistic they will allow me to because it’s not really going to damage anything but I want to get permission first.
Something occurred to me last night while putting together the video I’m making explaining where the general area is located. The clock face is actually a topographical feature of the area…it’s a perfect match down to the concrete. I was convinced I was in the right spot but last night I realized there are two of these features in the area. I had ignored the other one because I was so sure it was the one I had been searching around.
I remembered that on the other puzzles Preiss always buried the casques next to a man made object. This had been bothering me the whole time I was prodding because the only objects that lined up with the clues were trees. The other thing that had me really aggravated was that I couldn’t figure out the Moon and stars clue.
Today, as soon as I got there I went to the other one and took a look at it with fresh eyes and I almost cried…and laughed hysterically. I followed the clock clue from the new site to where I thought it should be and I’ll be damned if the “Moon” wasn’t right smack dab where it is in image 7. It’s a perfect match…the area is even shaped like the sky in the picture. I did the other calculations in the clock from the “moon” to where I thought it should be and I made the first prod. When I did it hit something much different than I have felt so far (and I’ve done about 100 or more prods at this point) and I felt it catch something then slip down further. So I moved over a few inches and hit it dead on…it made a hollow sound. I kept prodding in a small grid and the object is definitely square at about 2 1/2 to 3 feet down.
I say I am about 70% positive because I am being cautiously optimistic here. However the only two clues I haven’t been able to identify are the “paper boy” and the Moon and stars. Now I know exactly what the moon is….that is the physical marker of where it’s buried….with some measurements you have to follow from the clock.
I am almost done editing my video on the general location and I will post that later tonight. It does not go in to detail on the clues once you get in the area, it just explains why it is this area.
Basically there are three main themes to the clues which I will explain…it’s really an amazing puzzle and I’ve had the time of my life tracking it down.
I will let you know as soon as I hear about the permission to dig but it’s probably going to take a couple of weeks considering the authoritative entity….it’s New Orleans so things run on tropical time
.

Dambala, does this at all fit in with my theory above or are you chasing something different?
gManTexas

You want to bet a grand but you think it’s gone? Yeah…you’re on.
I have not misinterpreted the clues. There are at least 6 clues in the image that are absolutely definitive…one is unmistakable but you have to actually be here, on the ground, to understand. You are over 1000 miles away thinking you’ve solved it on Google Earth. I’m telling you…..it is not in Jackson Square…you can’t dig in Jackson Square…it’s not there. The path starts there but it’s not there.
Yes …I will absolutely take you 1000 dollar bet.

No I haven’t seen yours because I know it’s not right. I and numerous others here in the City know where the location is. I’m making the video right now that explains almost all of the clues. It won’t reveal the minute clues at the location but I’ve figured out what most of those are as well.
If you actually go to the location, you will understand. I even know the “themes” he was following to get there. I will explain that in the video.

You can make it in bitcoin for all I care. Make it in Turquoise.

You two are amusing the hell out of me with your back-and-forth. Thank you for that. And I will throw this out there for fun, My solve does not have this located in Jackson Square. I have a real good idea of where I think this “secret” is buried.
The Gnomes are the key.

Unknown

Unknown:
I have a real good idea of where I think this “secret” is buried.

Said everyone, ever, right before they dug a hole. All 2,653* of them.
*more or less

Euhirudinea

Said everyone, ever, right before they dug a hole. All 2,653* of them.
*more or less

I won’t be digging any holes in NOLA, just here to help. Maybe I’ll get around to Charelston or Roanoake.

Euhirudinea

Not for nothing, but playing “I’ve got a secret” doesn’t help. Discussion helps. Collaboration helps. DIgging helps. The rest, with all due respect, is self-serving nonsense.

How about this for some help renovator.
Here’s the key to what I see:
Fay means Lafayette. Lafayette Park and Lafayette street are the Namesakes meeting.
Gnomes admire. These are the 3 statues in Lafayette Park. All three of these men are gnomes. What many people don’t realize is that “gnomes” also refers to financial experts. McDonogh, Clay, and Franklin are all financial experts.
Another important piece I keep noticing in the Secret Images is the shape of a triangle or a triangle with a dot in the center. These US triangulation stations or markers are all over the country.
If you stand and face the Benjamin Franklin statue and look over to the grounds to the right you will notice a triangulation pyramid by that tree. And in the Image artwork you’ll notice a very light colored triangle at the bottom right of the grandfather clock.
My interpretation is that this represents a Forefather (Franklin statue) pointing in the direction of the triangulation pyramid where the casque is buried.
Thoughts?