Not that I am 100% sure that verse 5 is the correct verse for image 9 but the french words L’ane = the Donkey. Does that ring any bells for those of you who live in Montreal?

Hello. Relatively new to this forum but here is a thought on Montreal:
At the place where jewels abound (Redpath Museum, McGill University, contains collections of minerals)
Fifteen rows down to the ground (15 stairs in front of museum)
In the middle of twenty-one (location of casque)
From end to end (?trees that encircle park next to museum)
Only three stand watch (three bares statue)
As the sound of friends
Fills the afternoon hours (college students)
Here is a sovereign people (reference to Canada)
Who build palaces to shelter
Their heads for a night! (nearby Windsor Hotel, closed in 1981)
Gnomes admire (reference to gnomes/opal jewel in book, p.21 ?image to verse)
Fays delight (?three bares reference again)
The namesakes meeting (Mount Stephen Club, named after George Stephen)
Near this site.
Not clear if there are any visual images in the picture that support this location. There are buildings on Pine Ave that appear to have the “staircase” roof design.

every one likes a cute ass. no one likes a smart…
wilhouse

wilhouse

every one likes a cute ass. no one likes a smart…
wilhouse

my wife thinks I’m cute…………………………………………..I think

The “Blues Logo” is actually a Flag and represents Flag circle drive in Tower Grove Park (st louis)–AAHHH,–but what do i know????

I am confident that this is the St. Louis picture. I think that because the things we think are numbers representing Lat and Long more closely resemble that of St. Louis then Montreal. Most of the other clues point to Forest Park.
Sorry Thorn but I do not think Louisville has a casque.
Verse 3 4 or 6 matches the image most likely 3.
I will soon begin to work with the STL park department to try to confirm the Verse 3 match.
But before I do I need to know One or more of you one time took pictures of a spot in a STL park and sent them to BP asking if this was the right place and he wrote back “Not the right spot”
Where was that?
And hey Boogie this can help you to once we get a match for St. Louis we will also know the NYC verse.
Another reason I think this is STL is because even the most open minded view of the three other images we do not know the location of it is hard to make a case for them being STL.

scottrocks7

But before I do I need to know One or more of you one time took pictures of a spot in a STL park and sent them to BP asking if this was the right place and he wrote back “Not the right spot”
Where was that?

johann said he received an email from BP stating that, but after many searches of this forum I cannot seem to locate the exact text of that email.

scottrocks7

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Sorry Thorn but I do not think Louisville has a casque.

I do not take offense (except you spelled my name wrong.)
My interpretation is not a popular one (in fact I haven’t found anyone who
whole heartedly agrees with it.)
I wish you luck in your searches – even if I think they are incomplete.
As has been my general belief with all of the images, the placement of the jewel
in the image is intentional – can you explain how this jewel in the hat fits in
with St Louis?

lxd

lost

lxd

Thanks! Starting to make a tiny bit more sense.
Where do you get the cross from?

that’s not entirely convincing, if only because I don’t think its a fox or moose leg (do they have moose in Italy?).
also, the ON PQ border seems a better match to the collar, than does James Bay (Hudson’s Bay is the larger bay).

theres def an English connection via the fact the statues in Dorchester Square are aligned in the shape of a cross, like it would fall on a Union Jack.
but I’m not seeing a specifically Hudson related connection, as a way of forging a connection with the Dutch.
I’m not finished this though (have only gone as far as DS for full puzzle map – treasure hunt ive completed)…so it could be there…so far I only have Rembrandt and boer war though.

I’m thinking the cover up of the fleur de lis is meant to look like either the habitat building…or possibly the Mary, Queen of the World Cathedral. leaning towards the latter myself.
the x in the square could very well represent the large cross up on Mount Royal.
much like how the large cross in st aug is hidden in the grass.

I get that, but how does Hudson bay company relate to the MSH…whats the connection? there has to be some sort of connection. I’m not seeing it.

I haven’t even seen any evidence of a naval theme in this one…this one has a railroad theme.

anus905

ok ive done it.
ive mapped out the connections derived from the Garibaldi Candelabra (aka Legeater)…
it is originally from the Giardino Garibaldi in Palermo, Italy.
it was designed by the Oretea Foundry for the 1891 Exhibition in Palermo (part of the ten year long National Exhibition series).
it was part of an exhibition on electricity, with 73 exhibitors (35 Italian, 33 French & 5 german).
gold silver and bronze medals were awarded to top exhibitors (I assume this candelabra placed either gold or bronze).
the MSH is designed in Italian Renaissance fashion.
there is a park dedicated to Garibaldi in MTL, though it’s hard to tell if it’s particularly significant, unless we’re being taken through the rest of MTL (other than the GSM).
Giuseppe Garibaldi was one of the “Father’s of the Fatherland”…and a “Hero of the Two Worlds”…admired by intellectuals across the world…he was an explorer, trader, and National icon…with particular connections to NYC.
in fact, this clue may lead to a side track in the NYC puzzle.

And the connection is what exactly? How does this lead to the casque?

lost

possible link to
Leg Eater

Cool pic.
How is this related to the legeater?

anus905

I get that, but how does Hudson bay company relate to the MSH…whats the connection? there has to be some sort of connection. I’m not seeing it.

This has been confusing me too. Lost if you could break down your connections step-by-step it would go a long way towards helping others discuss it.
Like this, “Lxd = la baie (x) d’hudson 1670 in the flower” where does the x fit in? The way you wrote it makes it look like you took something with initials LBDH, removed two of the letters arbitrarily, turned one of the remaining letters into a lowercase, then introduced a third letter. I know that can’t be what you’re trying to say, but I’m having trouble applying any logic to deduce your intent.

been crushing this.
the Dutch connection definitely relates to the Boer War.
via Boer War monument in Dorchester Square, which the image clues send us to.

possible link to
Leg Eater
Lxd = la baie (x) d’hudson 1670 in the flower

as ive previously noted the garibaldi candelabra is Italian. that seems to be british or Canadian…

MrBackstop

JC, lots of info here. I’m curious as to what your explanation is for the PX7 Box. I’ve not heard any other explanations that would get me off my solve for it.

dude I explained that when I originally posted. they deleted it!
take your google maps and follow rue peel up into McGill. on your left you will see the p (a side street) and on your right you have an BACKWARDS LAKE (backwards rune for lake) in the UNDERGROUND RESERVOIR which just so happens to have that symbol on it (a path).
https://www.google.ca/maps/search/mcgil … 806217,19z
https://www.google.ca/maps/search/mcgil … 580509,18z
I know. I’m the king.
but Preiss is God.

the x is on the building that drunknerds identified. same with the hashings.

anus905

been crushing this

Hudson’s Bay
Company

lost

Lxd = la baie (x) d’hudson 1670 in the flower

Also, in French, “La” means “the” and “d” loosely means “of.” So it’s like you took The Statue of Liberty and said Preiss abbreviated it as Txo

fox eating a moose leg, i just thought it was inspired by the crest/ coat of arms of Hudson’s Bay Company
Compagnie ( la Baie d’Hudson) the x is just a cross
Image 9 collar looks like Hudson Bay to me
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson%27s_Bay_Company

Hi everyone,
I haven’t posted anything in two years, but I still read the messageboard from time to time
So today I decided to go back to the location where I found the ‘dogleg’ – in front of the Mount Stephen Club. I took some more pictures of the doglegs:
I also took pictures of the building itself. I thought these two details were particularly interesting, since they have a flower that looks somewhat like the one in picture 9:
Finally, after walking around in the neighbourhood, I decided to go back to the Mount Stephen Club to see what’s directly next to/accross the street from it. And here’s a picture of the house that’s directly right of it:
I thought it was interesting, since it’s not at all like the other buildings in the area… and look at this:
That detail looks a lot like the “X” on Image 9:
I tried getting some information about the house, but I couldn’t find any plaque or anything. I think it used to be called “Tudor House” and it was an apartment building with shops on the ground floor; now it seems to just house a restaurant. I don’t know when it was built; it might have been after 1982.
Finally, I looked around for other landmarks that could be represented in Image 9. I found this building, which looks like it could be the pattern on the character’s collar, but unfortunately it was built in 1992 so that can’t be it.
So that’s my contribution for the day. For high-quality pictures (and some other I didn’t post here), you can check out my flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77675376@N00/
Please let me know if anyone wants to me to go check out some location in Montreal. I live there about 15 minutes from the downtown area.

ravel,
What is the building  directly across from the Mount Stephen Club?
It looks like a theater or museum.
AP

No, it was directly next to it, to its right.
I didn’t seem to me like it has ever been a museum or a theatre. It just looks like a commercial building with apartments on the higher floors.

Good observation, slaps. I never knew there was a national preference for spelling of “gray” vs. “grey.” From wikipedia:
“Grey became the established British spelling in the 20th century, pace Dr. Johnson and others,[99] and is but a minor variant in American English, according to dictionaries.
Canadians tend to prefer grey
. Non-cognate greyhound is never grayhound.”

ravel,
If you use the “virtual tour” from the Mount Stephen Club website
and use the club facade view, you can look directly across the street
at this building.  Do you know what it is?
AP

Yes, it’s now a restaurant/apartment building (another one!). But I took a good look at that building and I don’t think it was built prior to 1982. My guess is that it was built in the mid 90s. We’d have to look at an old map of Montreal to see what was there in 1982.

Ravel,
Thank you for  your photos and for looking around
the area for the rest of us.  Your finding the
lamppost was indeed a great help!
Thanks again for sharing.
Maybe you can take some photos of the
grassy areas outside the ” Stephens Club”.
AP

1) what verse are you using for  montreal?
I’m not using any verse. I don’t think we have enough clues to conclude that there is actually a casque in mtl or where that casque would be, although if there is one, it would probably be near the Mount Stephen Club. Which is problematic, since there are NO parks whatsoever in that area.
2) do you think it’s mount royal park or square st. louis? or somewhere else?
Mount Royal Park is a huge park, and there aren’t a lot of recognizable landmarks in it. As for Square St. Louis, I can’t see anything that would link it to image 9. I think right now there is no reason to think that the casque would be in either of those locations, since the only clue we have is the dogleg, and both those parks are located pretty far (i.e. not within walking distance) from the dogleg.
3) what do you think that shape on the left side of his hat is?
No idea.
4) do you think st. andrew’s is the reason for the hands….you know, “here’s the church, here’s the steeple?” or what do you think the hands mean?
I looked for a church near the dogleg, but the closest one is located on Sherbrooke St., one block north and a few blocks west of where Mount Stephen Club is located. I found two churches, on either side of a nice apartment building shaped like a castle. I thought it was interesting, but I couldn’t link that to image 9 in any way.
5) do you think the collar looks like the shape of mount royal park?
I’d have to look at a map…
6) i’d been confusing “rhapsodic” with only music, but have found that it could be epic poetry, and i have read of several poets and their monuments, but i think they were in square st. louis….is there any epic poet statue in mount royal park?
I could go check it out, but as I said, mount royal park is huge, and if we have no other clue directing us to that park, I don’t think I want to spend an entire day looking for some kind of clue…
I might sound unenthusiastic, but really I am. It would be really rad if there was a casque in mtl. And I do think mtl is a good candidate: it has a long history (of immigration, too) and there are a lot of recognizable landmarks. Also, it’s a major Canadian city, unlike Sault Ste. Marie (which has been suggested, I have no idea why). My guess is that if there is in fact a casque in Canada, it would be in either Quebec City, Montreal, Toronto or Ottawa.  Vancouver is less likely, since as far as immigration goes, I can only think of asian immigraion for Vancouver, and that’s already been linked to San Francisco.
But I bet there is another dogleg somewhere… perhaps even in the US.

I have said this before, and I know it dampens enthusiasm somewhat, but…
the ONLY recognizable clue in p. 9 is that legeater, and the fact that one has been found in Montreal.
But there is nothing else that even remotely suggests Montreal to me. Not the latitude/longitude, not the shape of the hat, not the checkerboard, not the hands….nothing. The fact that the p. should have a strong connection with the Netherlands also makes it more remote than matching. Where is that connection?
And those hands…come on folks—that’s NOT the kid’s game “here’s the church, etc.” When you do that game, you don’t cross your fingers, you put the tips together into a point–just like a steeple. And you lock, or interlace your fingers–you don’t simply put them close together. the fingers DO suggest something to me—but not that game. They suggest a roof line with crossed gables (I don’t know what the term for this is.)  A roof where the top part forms an X. I’ve been working all morning to try to find the name for this style of roof–because I’ve seen it somewhere, but can’t think where.
I know everyone is all enthusiastic about Montreal being the location because the legeater is there. But if the Fiske company made ONE, I’m sure they made MORE than one, and as has been stated, I think they’re in the US somewhere.
I am not buying this p. being the Canadian casque unless someone can get more evidence; and so far, that hasn’t happened.

You said it, sister. I agree 100% (for once).
I’m still going to visit that lamp next month, though.   8)

Quote from page 44 of this thread…
“Finally having something to go on, FB roots up information on J. W. Fiske. Three sources present themselves: (1) 19th-century Fiske catalogs in the Library of Congress and elsewhere, (2) An article by Barbara Israel (
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … i_60370500
) that is very much worth reading, and, mentioned in that article, (3) a living descendant of J. W. Fiske who happens to have, in his possession, sales records for the company..”
FB,
Have you had any contact with the living descendant of J.W. Fiske who has the historic  sales info?
I have been corresponding with several  historical societies, and none has yet been able to
locate this lamppost in any of their U.S. cities.
Until we find another lamppost, Montreal is our only concrete landmark.
AP

Let us also remember that the leg-eater is drawn inside
a “golden square”, which is quite a  coincidence considering
the “Golden Square Mile” in Montreal…(unless BP is into “red herrings”.)
The nearby, Dorchester Square and Place Du Canada, offer park area.
I am open to any other location that can give at least as much confirmation.
AP

Israel was, quite understandably, reluctant to divulge Fiske’s contact information. I would dearly love to find his address, though.

ravel07

Yes, it’s now a restaurant/apartment building (another one!). But I took a good look at that building and I don’t think it was built prior to 1982. My guess is that it was built in the mid 90s. We’d have to look at an old map of Montreal to see what was there in 1982.

With our luck, it probably looked like this…..

FB,
In people search, there is a J. Fiske (age 80-something) in the New England area.
Would it be instrusive to try to contact him, ya think?
AP

I don’t think it would be necessarily intrusive, but you might not get any useful info. Worth a try, though.
Remember….this hunt is over 25 years old.  What may have been there in 1982 may NOT be there now. Even if this is the only legeater in the entire known universe, it’s not enough evidence for me to base a conclusion on that Montreal is the place. Especially when it’s the ONLY piece of evidence!

shecrab – I’m not convinced it’s Montreal, either. The point of contacting Fiske would be to see if he still has 19th century sales records for that particular piece, and that in turn may lead us to other cities where similar bases can be found.

Intrusive? Nah, the worst he can do is ignore us.
So… I’ll volunteer to write to him, if you can PM me his address.

ravel07, those are beautiful pictures!
i am so glad you checked back in here!
that dogleg is a great find!
since you live there and are familiar with the area….
what verse are you using for  montreal?
do you think it’s mount royal park or square st. louis? or somewhere else?
what do you think that shape on the left side of his hat is?
do you think st. andrew’s is the reason for the hands….you know, “here’s the church, here’s the steeple?”
or what do you think the hands mean?
do you think the collar looks like the shape of mount royal park?
i’d been confusing “rhapsodic” with only music, but have found that it could be epic poetry, and i have read of several poets and their monuments, but i think they were in square st. louis….is there any epic poet statue in mount royal park?
as you can see i am trying to fit verse 10 with this, because of the spelling of “grey”, which i think canada does and the english…………
(hmmmm, which could be image 3…….gave me an idea, i’ll post in that thread).
what are your ideas?
sorry to bombard you but it’s exciting to have someone in the area!

Xlurker…
I see what you mean about
“putting the insets back in”.
That is a very original idea
that may help us to locate
these places on a larger “map”.
Good thinking!
I see that the yellow border around the
legeater is like having a magnifying glass
on the far right bottom square in the corner.
(as if BP is telling us that the legeater is
in that location on the map…in relationship to
the “golf flag” square.)
See how the “golf flag”square is superimposed over the border,
while the legeater square is actually outlined by
part
of the border
AP

This is interesting for the St. Louis seekers and looks a lot like the ring and middle fingers. This was ordered/constructed around 1980-March 1982 and is a few blocks west of the Arch. If you check it out on google earth there is an interesting building across the street but I have no idea about the history of the bldg. The sculpture is named “Twain”.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= … n%26sa%3DN
I was thinking that the index fingers may simply be telling us to put the “insets” back into the map (squares). Not that i have a clue as to where or how.

xlurker

This is interesting for the St. Louis seekers and looks a lot like the ring and middle fingers. This was ordered/constructed around 1980-March 1982

But therefore wasnt constructed until the following year after the casques were placed and all the clues were written…

I am not sure how long it was in the planning stage. There was much controversy over it.

catherwood

Following up on a conversation in the comments of
this reddit post
led me to look up the source for the other legeater statue as mentioned. It’s in Palermo, Italy.
http://www.theresamaggio.com/blog.htm?post=952363

Okay, that’s crazy! Nice find.

Following up on a conversation in the comments of
this reddit post
led me to look up the source for the other legeater statue as mentioned. It’s in Palermo, Italy.
http://www.theresamaggio.com/blog.htm?post=952363

I came across this while walking in downtown Montreal:
To me, it looks a lot like the “dogleg” in image 9. Maybe this is a common ornament on old buildings? I think we should look for a similar fixture on a building in St. Louis or wherever we think the treasure might be.

Wow!  Nice find!
Can you tell us more about where it is?  What it is?  Do you have a wider view?

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
O Happy Day!

It’s located at the bottom of a lamppost in front of an old house which was probably built in the mid 1800s. There were 3 such ornaments around the lamppost. I think the building houses some kind of historical society, but I’m not sure. I’ll go check it out after work, and I’ll try to find out what architect or firm designed it.

Take lots of pictures! And be sure to record the street address.
From the one you supplied, it seems as if the curved rail (?) may appear as the blob in P9.

I’m not sure I’ll be able to take pictures today, and I’m leaving the country tomorrow for a week… but I’ll post more pictures as soon as I can.

I actually screamed when I saw that photo. If it’s not the same thing it is an unreal coiincidence.
we need to find out who makes it.
wilhouse

I think it’s a design after the painting “saint george and the dragon”, if that helps anybody out (just a guess though)

wilhouse – I didn’t scream, but I did just about fall on the floor! This is a most significant find. Even if the P9 casque doesn’t turn out to be in Montreal, at least we know what kinds of places to look for the “dogleg” thingy now. It’s a literal representation of something physical, not a rebus or some other trick.

did I mention that it’s so ugly it’s beautiful?
wilhouse

OMG!  Brilliant, ravel07!  I hope nobody minds me posting a side-by-side comparison (it’s just too nice not to):

johann what is par for the course at hole number 7?(the whole course, 1-7 added up)

Fenix

Check that J9 closer. I see M.

M? I kinda see what you are saying. What do you think an “M” might mean for this then as opposed to my “J” and “9” explanation?

Spiritr

the J and 9 might be other than that?
are you trying to say you alway wonder what other then what this J9 means right?
what you should be thinking when trying to solve a clue is what’s another reason for this to be here? instead of get away from it.

That’s what I’m talking about. I try to find other reasons for clues. If another path gets me away from an area and presents another, I persue that as well.

Spiritr

as per requests, i will demonstrate how I will do to get a undeniable MAP,

Don’t need you do show us how to do an overlay and transparency.
Do you overlay and point out exactly the pieces you are using to line up your images.
I basically see a map and and image overlaid that do not really have any corresponding points.
if you move the image up or down or left or right or scaled it, I don’t see it would match any better or worse.

Unknown

Unknown:
I don’t see it would match any better or worse.

That’s because he hasn’t worked his “magic” yet. Give the man a chance Matt.

Euhirudinea

That’s because he hasn’t worked his “magic” yet. Give the man a chance Matt.

Sorry, I mis-understood, I thought it was supposed to be self-evident from those images.

MrBackstop

I’m curious as to what others are thinking the “J” and “9” might be other than that. I am always trying to find reasons to get away from my solve but have not been able to when it comes to Montreal.

the J and 9 might be other than that?
are you trying to say you alway wonder what other then what this J9 means right?
what you should be thinking when trying to solve a clue is what’s another reason for this to be here? instead of get away from it.

as per requests, i will demonstrate how I will do to get a undeniable MAP, and show you what looks like, is not good enough, EXACT, is what we want, open up a tab on earth, add, add overlay image, your image 8 might look a little different than mine, that’s not gonna change anything, mine is just slightly more original, not gonna change anything until the very last step which is after we done with this wheelchair hunt at home, and head right to the spot, *maybe then it matters, but for now, just input these coordinates , into the properties tab of the name of your image. it should looks exactly like this. ( Use my image as an extra overlay to match the grid, it shouldn’t be that hard)
Now, open up the image properties and start playing around with the transparency, a very good way to verify if it’s a EXACT match or not, even the slightest hair that was missing should now be seen, from left to right, from top to bottom.
keep looking for the number “3” and match as much as you could if it still didn’t lined up, remember everything should be EXACTLY the same when it comes to Maps and Numbers, 19 is almost 20, or between 18. NO, that’s 37 year ago, today we should try matching every single lines, the creases of his dress, the back wall, if it’s in the picture, we match it, and NOT only a part of it and claim it’s done.
While some of you might be asking how I got those coordinates and what’s with this 3, well…it doesn’t really matters
Now if all the 3’s are matchable and looking exactly like this:

i already have a full map and a treasure map…and ive given you guys the treasure map…
*smacks head*

Here is the only remotely positive info that I have received regarding the legeaters:
So you know the owner, builder, the architect, the year it was built, the
location of the building etc etc and now you are trying to find out who made
and who designed the lights?
They could have been a one off custom commission designed by the architect
or others or they might have been available through any number of decorative
metal foundries open at the time of construction.
Respectfully,
Doug Bracken
President
Wiemann Ironworks
2620 E 11th St
Tulsa, OK 74104
USA
918-592-1700 EXT.12
918-592-2385 Fax
918-740-0960 Cell
www.wiemanniron.com
—–Original Message—–
From: Egbert 5 [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 4:03 PM
To:
[email protected]
Subject: RE: Railing ornament
Thank you for your help.  Here are two additional links, which you will need
to “copy” and “paste” into your browser in order to get to them:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/11924414@N00/
http://www.clubmountstephen.net/V2/lamaison_en.htm
The second link is where this lamp post is located.  If you click on
“Exterior,” and then the middle picture, you will see it.
This is actually part of a 25-year old treasure hunt, in which the
interesting design of the lamp post actually appears in one of the clues.
Attached to my first email is the lamp post designed placed next to the
clue.  So, we are trying to find out as much information as possible, since
we believe the treasure is hidden in the U.S. (not Canada).  So, any help
you can give in this regard would be greatly appreciated by many hunters!
—Egbert
>From: “Douglas Bracken”
>To: “‘Egbert 5′”
>Subject: RE: Railing ornament
>Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:44:43 -0500
>
>Egbert,
>I could use a few more photos, the detail looks vaguely familiar.
>It will not be a ‘stock’ item from anyone I know. If you want to
>reproduce…it will be custom foundry work.
>
>Respectfully,
>
>Doug Bracken
>President
>Wiemann Ironworks
>2620 E 11th St
>Tulsa, OK 74104
>USA
>918-592-1700 EXT.12
>918-592-2385 Fax
>918-740-0960 Cell
>
www.wiemanniron.com
>
>
>—–Original Message—–
>From: Egbert 5 [mailto:[email protected]]
>Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 10:15 AM
>To:
[email protected]
>Subject: Railing ornament
>
>Greetings,
>
>I was wondering if you would be able to identify the attached railing
>ornament (name, architect, where they can be found, etc.).  This one is
>located somewhere in Montreal, but I believe there may be others in the
>United States.  Thank you in advance for your time.
>
>—Egbert
>
>

Here is the only remotely positive info that I have received regarding the legeaters:
So you know the owner, builder, the
architect
, the year it was built, the
location of the building etc etc and now you are trying to find out who made
and who designed the lights?
They could have been a one off custom commission designed by the
architect
or others or they might have been available through any number of decorative
metal foundries open at the time of construction.
Respectfully,
Doug Bracken
President
Wiemann Ironworks
2620 E 11th St
Tulsa, OK 74104
USA
918-592-1700 EXT.12
918-592-2385 Fax
918-740-0960 Cell
www.wiemanniron.com
—–Original Message—–
From: Egbert 5 [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 4:03 PM
To:
[email protected]
Subject: RE: Railing ornament
Thank you for your help.  Here are two additional links, which you will need
to “copy” and “paste” into your browser in order to get to them:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/11924414@N00/
http://www.clubmountstephen.net/V2/lamaison_en.htm
The second link is where this lamp post is located.  If you click on
“Exterior,” and then the middle picture, you will see it.
This is actually part of a 25-year old treasure hunt, in which the
interesting design of the lamp post actually appears in one of the clues.
Attached to my first email is the lamp post designed placed next to the
clue.  So, we are trying to find out as much information as possible, since
we believe the treasure is hidden in the U.S. (not Canada).  So, any help
you can give in this regard would be greatly appreciated by many hunters!
—Egbert
>From: “Douglas Bracken”
>To: “‘Egbert 5′”
>Subject: RE: Railing ornament
>Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:44:43 -0500
>
>Egbert,
>I could use a few more photos, the detail looks vaguely familiar.
>It will not be a ‘stock’ item from anyone I know. If you want to
>reproduce…it will be custom foundry work.
>
>Respectfully,
>
>Doug Bracken
>President
>Wiemann Ironworks
>2620 E 11th St
>Tulsa, OK 74104
>USA
>918-592-1700 EXT.12
>918-592-2385 Fax
>918-740-0960 Cell
>
www.wiemanniron.com
>
>
>—–Original Message—–
>From: Egbert 5 [mailto:[email protected]]
>Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 10:15 AM
>To:
[email protected]
>Subject: Railing ornament
>
>Greetings,
>
>I was wondering if you would be able to identify the attached railing
>ornament (name,
architect
, where they can be found, etc.).  This one is
>located somewhere in Montreal, but I believe there may be others in the
>United States.  Thank you in advance for your time.
>
>—Egbert
>
>

Egbert

I assume you changed the Wiki to read that Image 9 in now linked to Canada, and that Montreal is the site of the Image 9 treasure.  Those are some very bold statements, and I think half of us seem to think that it is not in Montreal.

Egbert,
Your assumption is correct, I changed the wiki.  Thank you for honoring me with boldness, though I humbly don’t feel as if I deserve to be called bold.  As was stated before on this forum, you can
ALSO
boldly change the wiki.  Please, feel free to explain the link between image 9 and St. Louis on the wiki!  Be bold!  Make bold statements!  As long as they lead to casques eventually, we are all bold treasure hunters!
Im my opinion, the legeater is the “killer clue” for Montreal and Image 9, just like the Grecian wall was the “killer clue” for image 4 / verse 4 (“Socrates, Pindar, Apelles”), and the Chicago water tower was the “killer clue” for image 5.  However, until the casque is found (in St. Louis or in Montreal or somewhere else entirely), this is pure speculation.  There is still much work to be done in identifying other landmarks in the area and determining the meaning of one of the verses.  This is only my opinion, and I have been wrong before.
The legeater matches the image 9 sketch too closely to be a pure coincidence.  It is either the original statue sketched by JJP or it is an exact duplicate of the real one.  I have read throught the forums, and I can not follow the train of thought that leads from image 9 to St. Louis.  Perhaps if you point me to relevant posts, or if you summarize the logic here, you may change my mind.
Thanks,
AnotherDoth

I am not criticizing you at all for thinking that the treasure may be in Montreal — because that may be true.  I am simply pointing out that even though the comments found on the Wiki site for the other treasures all have question marks or “maybe”s, the comments for Image 9 indicate that Montreal is the treasure site without a doubt (at least it would appear so to anyone looking at the site for the first time).  I also did not know that anyone could edit it.

I think it is critical to discover when the lamps were placed in front of the Club in Montreal. There must be a record of it somewhere. Even if they were put there in 1980, they could have been taken from elsewhere – maybe saved from an endangered site, as was our 3-lion lamp in St. Louis. This is going to take a lot of digging.

hi all–
this qoute is taken from this site-
http://www.clubmountstephen.net/exterior.htm
qoute–
The fence, bordering the property, is made of a combination of stone, wrought iron and cast iron. Two bronze lampposts, converted from gas to electricity, mark the main entrance
I think the posts are original to the house— now are they unique to it?— I think most likely
even if we were to locate this legeater elsewhere— we would still have to match a verse to them– the verse 2 fits for this house.
there isn’t a lot of definite clues in image 9— only many interpretations.  the legeater is the most prominent and leads us to this house (with 15 rows to the ground
)
I know Im a ‘newbie’ to post– but Im not a ‘newbie’ to the hunt.—– I would love for you all to find another casque.
sixer

Egbert

I am not criticizing you at all for thinking that the treasure may be in Montreal — because that may be true.  I am simply pointing out that even though the comments found on the Wiki site for the other treasures all have question marks or “maybe”s, the comments for Image 9 indicate that Montreal is the treasure site without a doubt (at least it would appear so to anyone looking at the site for the first time).

Egbert

I also did not know that anyone could edit it.

Good point.  I will add the word “potentially”, and use question marks and “maybes”.
Another good point.  I thought that I had placed the same instructions at Tweleve and Q4T.  Here is the “how to edit the wiki” instructions from tweleve.com.  Sorry, I thought I placed this on both boards.
We are trying to compile the “best available information” on Image 3 at “The Secret” wiki. The wiki can be accessed at:
http://thesecret.pbwiki.com/FrontPage#status
If you have any information, then please feel free to edit the wiki. The current wiki password is:
Code:
Select all
TWELEVE
The purpose of the wiki is to summarize what we know and what we think about the solution to “The Secret” by B. Preiss. The wiki is not a place for debate or theories. The great forums available here at Tweleve.org and Quest4Treasure are much more appropriate places for debate, conjecture and discussion.

Fenix – This is probably a stupid question, but… is the manufacturer not embossed in the metal of the lamppost anywhere? Heck, even manhole covers tell you who made them, in bold print! Surely a work of art like this would be signed. Any numbers or characters printed on or under our leg-eaters, or the post itself, may provide help.

Ah –  I missed that, sorry. But if you visit here:
http://www.clubmountstephen.net/V2/lamaison_en.htm
…and click on “Exterior,” The top picture shows what appears to be a tall lamp with its base on the sidewalk, yet the pictures below it show our leg-eaters in the expected places. Of the lower photographs, the left one shows the rounded room to have walls comprised mostly of glass, whereas the others show the walls to be masonry. I reasoned that at some time in the past, the facade was renovated and the older lamps replaced. What am I misunderstanding?

Fb–
I see what you mean with the picture of the lamp post being on the ground in front of the house.  I think the other lamp post on the pedestal(one with legeater) is still there though–I can barely make it out.
Fenix–even if you don’t like the match—- can you look for the possibility of 21 please?
15 rows DOWN TO the ground– from the place
it sounds like steps to me—- I will agree it doesn’t have to be these steps though.
sixer

“15 rows down to the ground”
On a map of Mount Royal Park and the surrounding area I saw that if you travel along Rue Drummond past the house towards the park the road becomes “Promanade…..(something)” at it’s end there seems to be steps to the intersecting road (AVENUE DES PINS OUEST). Fifteen rows maybe?
Ade
P.S. This may help too.
http://www.lemontroyal.qc.ca/pdf/carte-e.pdf

forest_blight

This is going to take a lot of digging.

In more ways than one my friend…..more ways than one

Erexere, the important part here is the monkey (or anything else that it represent and that we did not identify yet), I know the “monk” thing is far fetched. I just can’t believe that the form is a mountain or land (mainly because of the shape of the summit), that’s why I’m trying to find something else. Also, I never tought you were bashing, always feel free to express yourself. I prefer honesty!

I think it’s possible to work all of these puzzles by first focusing on the big obvious things.  The details will matter only when you’re on the right track.  There could literally be a monkey element to factor in, but you’re going to have to put the idea on hold while you first gain perspective, find a spot that holds major significance and take it from there.  I suppose most people think that’s the “legeater” lamp in front of the Mount Stephen Club.  I think that’s an unfortunate assumption.  I agree the lamp is spot on, but there’s been absolutely nothing firmly established as to where to go from there or from where one came to get to that spot.  If it is a mere breadcrumb on a path, then it’s doing a terrible job behaving like one.  It could be we haven’t had enough feet on the ground to investigate the area or important features to this puzzle are no longer intact.  Instead of waiting for that assumed approach to play out, I think it’s a natural question to ask ‘why?’ should the leg of this lamp in front of the Mount Stephen Club be important?  What reason would a person have to go to the Mount Stephen Club in the first place and then to discover a lamp’s leg (at torso height) matches the design on the robed man’s lapel?  I think it’s a detail of some importance, but also one that wasn’t intended to be discovered or necessary with respect to finding the Montreal location.
The idea of a lamp leg is already discernable in the image.  I think it’s importance in at least one respect references an idiomatic usage.  As displayed on the chest, it would be like a badge or medal of some sort of achievement.  The idioms using the word leg are “leg up”, “last legs”, or this seems the best, “a leg to stand on,” a justifiable or logical basis for defense.  The man in the robe looks contemplative.  His robe is covered in checkers.  Is he playing a game of checkers or chess?

lol wow…

MERLIN

Ahhh yes…..another rich contribution from the “Lord of the Holes”

JoshCornell

lol wow…

Ahhh yes…..another rich contribution from the “Lord of the Holes”

I know that Sir Eg and maybe some others have been approaching the legeater identification from the antique lamppost makers side of things.  I decided to try to get to the answer from a different angle.  I was doing some research into the Stephen Club and kept coming up with comments from
The History of Canadian Architecture
by Dr. Harold Kalman.  He is a PhD and an expert in Canadian architecture and had written quite a lot about this building.  I decided to e-mail him and ask if he knew anything about the lamps.  After several correspondenses back and forth–I wish I could say that he knew them right off the bat–but alas, he did not.  This is what he did say:
“Since you are where you are, you probably don’t have access to my A History of Canadian Architecture. I checked the notes and see one (obscure) source that, if I remember right, addressed furnishings as well a architecture: Leo Cox, The Story of the Mount Stephen Club, Montreal: Mount Stephen Club, 1967.”
This may or may not be a good lead.  Does some one have a decent library loan system nearby and could we locate this book??  Forest, I knew that you
did
have this access, but I’m not sure if you
still
have it in your new Kansas digs??  I may try to get to Ohio State’s Library this weekend to see if I can get a hold of this and check it for viability as a lead.  Just thought I’d share this.

KU has excellent ILL – one of the first things I checked into. I will request it right away.

Would you believe our Art & Architecture library has the actual book? I will fetch it as soon as I am able.
Edit: Oops, KU has Kalman’s book (which I will look into eventually). I will have to request the Cox book after all.

It’s really just a booklet (about 20 pages) and was published by the Mount Stephen Club.  I would bet that hunters in Montreal could probably view a copy at the club.
http://www.biblio.com/books/41425062.html
The architect was William Tutin Thomas.

It’s really just a booklet (about 20 pages) and was published by the Mount Stephen Club.  I would bet that hunters in Montreal could probably view a copy at the club.
http://www.biblio.com/books/41425062.html
The
architect
was William Tutin Thomas.

True, but just in case, I requested it anyway. I’ll scan and post any interesting pictures.

Posted for Carol:

stercox

I know that Sir Eg and maybe some others have been approaching the legeater identification from the antique lamppost makers side of things.  I decided to try to get to the answer from a different angle.  I was doing some research into the Stephen Club and kept coming up with comments from
The History of Canadian Architecture
by Dr. Harold Kalman.  He is a PhD and an expert in Canadian architecture and had written quite a lot about this building.  I decided to e-mail him and ask if he knew anything about the lamps.  After several correspondenses back and forth–I wish I could say that he knew them right off the bat–but alas, he did not.  This is what he did say:
“Since you are where you are, you probably don’t have access to my A History of Canadian Architecture. I checked the notes and see one (obscure) source that, if I remember right, addressed furnishings as well a architecture: Leo Cox, The Story of the Mount Stephen Club, Montreal: Mount Stephen Club, 1967.”
This may or may not be a good lead.  Does some one have a decent library loan system nearby and could we locate this book??  Forest, I knew that you
did
have this access, but I’m not sure if you
still
have it in your new Kansas digs??  I may try to get to Ohio State’s Library this weekend to see if I can get a hold of this and check it for viability as a lead.   Just thought I’d share this.

Here is the latest info from someone in the architecture business (perhaps someone can try and track down the info he suggests):
I realize you have been thinking about this for some time but your best
chance in locating additional lamps of same design lie in tracking down the
vendor through the one architect/building you have found. Many historic
buildings have a well documented list of vendors for such items and of
course, many do not.
I will let you know if I come across anything similar.
Ps. It is a decorative cast iron foot or base for a lamp…while it is
impossible to know, such details could be combined with other elements to
make a foot for many other types of products, we often do this in our work.
Respectfully,
Doug Bracken
President
Wiemann Ironworks
2620 E 11th St
Tulsa, OK 74104
USA
918-592-1700 EXT.12
918-592-2385 Fax
918-740-0960 Cell
www.wiemanniron.com

FB,
Again thanks .  When I stumbled on this yesterday , I was actually looking at the cross someone had mentioned a ways back , I was thinking what’s going on with the Musical notes here. I then started to look at the other note in the flower and it’s backwards , which leads me to believe it may not be meant to be taken as a musical note . That’s when I started to really look at the Flower and found  2 & 7 or a 7 & 2 . There is a 7 next to what may be a musical note . Forest is posting the picture of the 2 for me . Carol Please all I would like to know your thoughts .
Sorry the above picture is really out there and kinda fuzzy.
I was told that that is a whole note ?  Does anyone know ?

Hope not to offend others but I think some are looking too hard for numbers….almost “making” them work.  The numbers (lat/long) in the other pictures are very obvious…..

Fox,
None taken. I appreciate the response . I would also add that I’m posting what I  find not to make it work . I haven’t seen where a long/lat has been determined here as yet . I just happened on it while studying the flower and looking at the other note , which I don’t believe to be a musical note now , as it is backwards . I would like your thoughts on the Music symbol I did find on the hat though . Carol

Thx slappy. The X is southwest from the legeater and NOT on the way to Mont Royal, but very close to the same street as the legeater.. almost.. kinda.. lol.
I would really like to know if that looks like a whale to anyone else tho??????

Yes fox, that’s the McTavish Monument, but I couldn’t view it from your message. I had to paste the url directly:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_k9NvPRetjBw/R8iXGZF2pRI/AAAAAAAABmI/6s4msDRDxLc/IMG_5756.jpg

Looks like a perfect place!!! WTG!!
http://www.musee-mccord.qc.ca/scripts/p … eID=186383
http://www.mccord-museum.qc.ca/en/colle … ection=196

Anyone have access to/ know any one in Montreal?
Didnt somebody say they are going to Montreal soon?
I have a solve for the Montreal Casque using image 9 and verse 7, I’m pretty sure its accurate
but we wont know till somebody digs…
This is where the rubber meets the road, so to speak , I have said the important thing is not who digs it up
but that the casques are found – on the other hand when you dig it up (whoever you are)  if you want to send it to me that would be just fine!
Now this is wonderful news to me because that means the the SF casque was not destroyed by the irrigation pipe.
So The Iconic image in p9 is the legeater-  Its unique enough that you would know it if you lived in/around montreal…
so look at the street it is on, Rue Drummond. heading east is a building,
heading west you arrive at Mount Royal Park  as a matter of fact you run right into the start of a windy path… (thanks googlemaps!)
Cool lets jump  to the verse…..
but first go back and notice that the cleveland verse is not chronological, as a matter of fact, the first step, (find the columns) is the last part of the verse…)
Verse 7
At stone wall’s door
The air smells sweet
Not far away
High posts are three
Education and Justice
For all to see
Sounds from the sky
Near ace is high
Running north, but first across
In jewel’s direction
Is an object
Of Twain’s attention
Giant pole
Giant step
To the place
The casque is kept.
So we enter the park at rue drummond. and start wandering up the path…
Not far away
High posts are three –
Mount royal is made up of three peaks, each with an antennae
Education and Justice
For all to see –
The main monument in the park is dedicated to  Sir George-Étienne Cartier. During his long career he promoted the establishment of the Civil Code as the formal law of Canada East. He also promoted the introduction of primary education in the province.
Sounds from the sky
As a matter of fact, the largest radio/TV broadcast tower in the city is straight above us at this point
Near ace is high
Atop the Cartier monument is an Angel -she is posed as she is running. she faces to the north
Running north, but first across  –
Behind her is a large Cross on the eastern most peak (which is just above us)
we keep following the path upward… until we come to a stone wall surrounded by a the forest…
Look there in the stone wall there is a gate. go through it.
You are now in a yard enclosed by a stone wall,  The area is overgrown and while not a garden has lots of flowering plants.
this is the monument to a man name McTavish.
The monument stands in the center of the yard, it is a giant Pole…
Giant pole
Giant step
To the place
The casque is kept.
Yes but which direction…
In jewel’s direction
Is an object
Of Twain’s attention
The New York Times, December 10, 1881
MARK TWAIN IN MONTREAL
There was a very pleasant gathering of gentlemen at the banquet given Mr. Samuel L. Clemens (Mark Twain) at the Windsor Hotel, in Montreal, on Thursday evening.
Mark Twain was invited to speak at the opening of a fancy new hotel, The windsor hotel – now an office building called Le Windsor, is just a block or two north of the legeater. the street it is on runs parallel to rue Drummond and actually is the street exactly adjacent to the spot we are in the park. or S/SE
So in short – my solution is…
go to the legeater
head NW up the street to Mount Royal Park
head up the path it winds around.
and comes to the McTavish Monument enter the monument
put your back on the S/SE side of the monument -or facing downtown
take one Giant Step and dig……
Now the bad news…
In June the City announced they had awarded a contract to have the stone wall rebuilt and the monument and its grounds restored….
so if we want to dig this up we need to move fast….

I will print this and take it with me when I scale Mount Royal next month.

When was the pole monument taken down? If it was before 1981, there is no reason to consider this site likely.

Hmmm.  Most of it fits.  Could be the place.  Certainly worth a look.
1.  I am with Fox on not seeing “near ace is high.”
2.  Also, Education and Justice are capitalized, which would seem to represent 2 distinct objects (or words), not just a reference to someone who has a connection with education and law.
3.  I do not see how “peaks” can be viewed as “posts,” and I bet BP literally meant “posts.”
4.  The verse refers to an “object” of Twain’s attention, not a meeting place.  I would think it refers to something like a steamboat, or the Mississippi River, or something like that.
Good luck, though!

I’m here! I’m excited! I don’t have much time right now to review the solve or go to Mount Royal, but I’ll do it as soon as I can. Probably Sunday or Monday.
Good work guys!!

hah! here’s a lion at mont royal, lol
“To avoid excessive competition in the fur trade of the North West these Montreal trading firms pooled their interests in 1782 to form the North West Company, among the partners being Todd, McGill, the Frobishers, Alexander Henry and, at their head, “The OId Lion of Montreal” Simon McTavish. “

Here is a map of the locations malted mentioned:

falcon,  I really like all of your tie ins except for one.  You really didnt explain what “Near Ace is high” means.  You listed that but then went on to explain the “Running north but first a+cross”  which I really like…

I am still looking for an image of this McTavish Monument.  I found a verrrrrry small image that I can not seem to open but it does look
pole-like.  I have found several references including this one which talks of the garden.  The last line seems much less than Giant though…
“Simon McTavish of Garthbeg died in early 6 July 1804 in Montreal, Lower Canada from an illness that supposedly started with a cold while supervising the contruction of his mansion on a slope of Mount Royal. McTavish was buried at the foot of Mount Royal in the garden of his half-finished mansion, leaving a young wife and four children. The city never protected the spot, so the family about 40 years later transferred the remains to another place that remains a secret. Today, a
small
monument marks the original resting place, even though he is not there.”
AND
” In his book, British America,  published in 1820, John McGregor, writes about the original grave site which had been marked with a pillar as a “retired and beautiful spot, a pretty path winds among the trees. McTavish used frequently to sit for hours reading on this spot, where, on his death bed, he requested to be buried.”  A
small
cairn  erected  in 1942 marks the site, but does little to explain how important McTavish was to the neighbourhood. “

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/f … 06335425b4

Is this the one?
not anything like the tiny image I saw…

maltedfalcon

Look there in the stone wall there is a gate. go through it.
You are now in a yard enclosed by a stone wall,  The area is overgrown and while not a garden has lots of flowering plants.
this is the monument to a man name McTavish.
The monument stands in the center of the yard, it is a giant Pole…

Where did you get this description?
Check this overhead of PMR…{too big to attach as photo}
http://flickr.com/photos/djipibi/2450709402/sizes/o/
There sure is a Giant Pole here but I do not think it is the McTavish Monument

There is an actual lion monument there, as well…it looks exactly like the Milwaukee lion bridge lion,and also reminded me of the Charleston picture.
heh heh…

Unknown

Unknown:
From Maltedfalcon:
So The Iconic image in p9 is the legeater-  Its unique enough that you would know it if you lived in/around montreal…
so look at the street it is on, Rue Drummond. heading east is a building,
heading west you arrive at Mount Royal Park  as a matter of fact you run right into the start of a windy path… (thanks googlemaps!)

I don’t think everyone in Montreal knows about the lamp post.  I thought Ravel just happened upon it one day.
Hey, don’t get me wrong, I like what you’ve done with the verse.
But there is nothing else in Image9 that says “Montreal” except that legeater.
That would be great to solve this with just the verse and lamp post!
FB, are we missing a post in this thread?  What happened to the pole?

Unknown

Unknown:
FB, are we missing a post in this thread?  What happened to the pole?

I inferred its absence from one of Fox’s posts last night. I hope I’m wrong.

oh wow malted!! this is exciting!
ravel07 lives there!  wake up ravel07!
xlurker, someone else has brought up beluga whales, i remember reading about it, but i’m not sure which image.
it does look like a whale like that….
what about “the air smells sweet”.  i know it said he was buried in the garden of the half finished mansion. is the garden still there? or the mansion?
here’s a timeline for mont royal park……it doesn’t mention mctavish,
http://www.lemontroyal.qc.ca/en_anniversaire/5.html
is there a magnolia road or something for that line?
forest,
after bp’s golf game, he didn’t want to walk up the mountain so he buried it at the foot.
ravel07
is this burial ground well known?

animal painter

Fox,
Some obvious “checkerboard pattern” somewhere close by would be nice…
(I agree that the legeater is a very convincing anchor to Montreal.)
AP

Next door… to the left while facing the restaurant door. This is the left side of that building. The face of it has a different pattern.

wow, good find four21thrasher!

Montreal districts
If you put the name of a Montreal district into Google maps, it gives a shaded outline of the district. Try these:
– Ville-Marie ( west boundary matches hands and finger)
– Outremont (boundary in Mount Royal)
– Le Plateau-Mont-Royal(possible matching curve of collar)
Notice the alignment of the streets and turn the map about 30 degrees anticlockwise to match the checkered pattern on the clothes.
While trying to align Mount Royal Park to the artwork of the fingers, I noticed that there were other green areas on the map which aligned with the image.
The stepped neck outline lowest part results in a three sided square which is Sir Wilfrid Laurier Park.
The square with the P X 7 symbol is La Fontaine Park. Its lake resembles the shape of a P and 7. Island fountain is in the centre of P. The paths in this park do cross.
The flower petals resemble the paths in Jarry Park.
If the dogleg symbol is the Golden Mile then it is relatively in the correct place on the map.
Finally, I noticed one more green area to the north west, and on zooming in, its outline bears a resemblance to the mystery shape inside the dogleg square. Maybe the artist just used this for the Libra zodiac symbol. Anyway the shape matches even if it is not in the correct place.

I’ve once again read all posts. We still don’t have the foundry mark, artist, or any idea of who made the lamppost base, correct?
Isle of B.  Bizard isle? This is north of West Montreal. Seems in the 80’s some arrondisements were created in this area. I would love to link this legeater to this area, then we could be sure this is the correct verse. I now understand why this has gone on for 20 years….. AAARRRRGGGHHHH!!!!!!!! Lafitte

Unknown

Unknown:
We still don’t have the foundry mark, artist, or any idea of who made the lamppost base, correct?

Right, we still don’t know, and I consider this the most promising direction for research on P9. Best guess at this point is that the lamps are as old as the house itself, i.e. 1883-ish, and were either imported from Europe or made just for the Stephen House. We know that the architect and contractor hired skilled artisans. If an artisan made the lamps specifically for the Stephen House, the casque must be in Montreal unless the pattern was taken from elsewhere. But they also imported European decorative items, and if the lamps number among those, there is simply no telling where else we might find similar lamps.
We have someone who lives near who will check out the lamp base for foundry marks soon. Once we know, we cross our fingers and hope (a) there is some information online that could lead us in the right direction or (b) that the company still exists in some form and may have 19th century sales records. A long shot, but maybe the only shot we have.

Unknown

Unknown:
We still don’t have the foundry mark, artist, or any idea of who made the lamppost base, correct?

Right, we still don’t know, and I consider this the most promising direction for research on P9. Best guess at this point is that the lamps are as old as the house itself, i.e. 1883-ish, and were either imported from Europe or made just for the Stephen House. We know that the
architect
and contractor hired skilled artisans. If an artisan made the lamps specifically for the Stephen House, the casque must be in Montreal unless the pattern was taken from elsewhere. But they also imported European decorative items, and if the lamps number among those, there is simply no telling where else we might find similar lamps.
We have someone who lives near who will check out the lamp base for foundry marks soon. Once we know, we cross our fingers and hope (a) there is some information online that could lead us in the right direction or (b) that the company still exists in some form and may have 19th century sales records. A long shot, but maybe the only shot we have.

I’ve contacted he Assistant Manager of the club about these lampposts. Am still waiting for details.
I was hoping that someone else had more info due to the flurry of posts previously. Oh well…we’ll see what happens, I  am looking forward to getting some kind of response.. I don’t believe the Club is the only place  these legeaters exist. Blahh blaaahh blah… lafitte

It is interesting what you find in your own backyard…
http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/i … pic=1294.0
I knew this, of course, but didn’t have this article linked.
All of the derby winners are honored with a name plaque
that adorns the buildings of CD.  I wonder where this one
is/was located?

Even though alot may have changed in Forest Park over the last 25 years, from what I can tell from the website, they keep detailed records of all changes they make to the park. This would enable us to on paper recreate the park as it was in ’81. I think Verse 10 goes with this. I know alot of people thik this goes with New York but it seems to fit Forest Park more. I sent verses 5, 6 and 10 and Images 2 and 12 my aunt who lived in New York for 15 years and now lives a few hours drive outside Charleston. Hopefully she can get us a positive image to verse match.

Even though alot may have changed in Forest Park over the last 25 years, from what I can tell from the website, they keep detailed records of all changes they make to the park. This would enable us to on paper recreate the park as it was in ’81. I think Verse 10 goes with this. I know alot of people thik this goes with
New
York but it seems to fit Forest Park more. I sent verses 5, 6 and 10 and Images 2 and 12 my aunt who lived in
New
York for 15 years and now lives a few hours drive outside Charleston. Hopefully she can get us a positive image to verse match.

bignate

But there is a good argument that BP didn’t bury at the club and realized that 2 visuals for a dead end was a bad idea.

Even one perfect visual for a dead end is a bad idea if the image contains no other visuals.
I would have loved to witness the lawsuit though.
MSC -Your book caused somebody to dig a hole on our lawn.
Bantam – Our apologies, could we pay for the landscaping?
MSC – The hole has already been filled in.
Bantam – Understood. Is there something else we could do to right the situation?
MSC – This has caused us great pain and suffering and we will require compensation in the form of $1,000,000.(cue maniacal laughter)

Johann,
I dug, and dug, and dug.
I really thought you had something with the Vandeventer Gate.  It is shaped like a U which could be the reference in the twenty-one line of the verse.  Also, the crows feet coming off of the pictures eyes distinctly have the same shape as the Vandeventer Gate.  When you said that there were 3 lions there on the lampost, I had to check it out.  If that was like that back in the 80’s, which looks possible, then a statement like ‘only 3 stand watch’ seems like a reference to the fact that there could have been or should have been more.
In the middle of twenty-one
From end to end
What this means to me was that you draw a line from the tip of one side of the U to the other tip, making a line accross the top.  The middle of that line is where I dug at the Vandeventer Gate and found a layer of rocks pretty hard to get through about 6″ down and nothing else down to 3′.  This layer was all over the area and everywhere I dug, I had to go through it.  It seems to me that if the treasure was here, then BP would have had to break this layer down a long time ago, but that would not be enough time for this layer to reform as solid as it was.
Sadly, but gladly, if we read the verse but take the context a bit further…
In the middle of twenty-one
From end to end
Only three stand watch
We see that we could interpret this to mean that the three stand watch in the middle of the U from end to end, which is pretty darn close where the lions are (but not exactly, they are maybe 8 feet away from the exact spot, but still centered in the U).  I think I have to accept this as the meaning of those 3 lines of verse.  The Vandeventer Gate is an important position of some sort, but not necessarily the spot to dig.  One of the things I was trying to make work is the fact that in image 9, the dudes eyes are looking through the Vandeventer Gate made by his crows feet.  I stood there for a long time looking, but saw nothing that made me say ‘eureka’.
So there you have it, I think that if we concentrate on the thing under the dogleg in the picture as this is still not solved, any sort of the number references in the picture, Possibly try to match the flowers petals to some kind of local path or road pattern, and the unfinished lines of the verse, we got it nailed. (easily said but not done)
Fifteen rows down to the ground
Here is a sovereign people
Who build palaces to shelter
Their heads for a night!
Gnomes admire
Fays delight
The namesakes meeting
Near this site.
PS, I checked out your Jahn U too, and did not think it matched close enough to start diggin in front of it.
PSS,  I was also trying to make sheltering heads into the heads of golf clubs.

Spinner, this is excellent work.  Don’t give up you are on the right track.  I know how frustrating it is to dig and dig and get nothing.  I suggest you get a long thin metal pole with a handle (I use a “pipe feeler” from Home Depot) so you don’t have to keep digging, because if he put it there you can get through the rocks at that point.
Could there be a Knight’s Inn, or Kings Pub or some kind of clubhouse with a royal title that would fit those lines of the verse?
wilhouse

Spinner–
Good work!  I had tried where you tried, but with a Home Depot probe and not a shovel.  I also found that 6″ down was something hard all over the place.
I was considering behind the Jahn sculpture.
Why don’t we get together somewhere like a Starbucks or a St. Louis Bread Co.  Two heads are better than one.

hockeydenis

I’m going to go with Fenix on this having been in Montreal many times. The theory taking you from Parc Jean Drapeau to the top of Mont Royal is definitely taking a round about way and would take multiple hours if you did it in a straight line, it seems out of sorts with the other locations that have most of their clues in a reasonable walking distance.
As previously noted the Biosphere didn’t have any lights in the early 1980s.
As for the race track it was just called Grand Prix du Canada or Circuit de l’Ile Notre Dame back then and probably didn’t have a street number at the time or if it did it wasn’t widely known and wasn’t even on the tickets or programs of the race for the time period in question. Even today if you didn’t have Google and Google Maps you would be hard pressed to find the address.
Another note to a previous theory about the white stone near the southern tip of Ile Ste Helene, I contacted the PJD administration and they confirmed that this section of the park was remodelled in the early 90s to create the belvedere/look-off, cycling track and they also added the “Rose des Vents” to the site, so if the casque was there it, it probably isn’t there anymore.

Hey, thanks for the info. Other than the start point, how do you feel about the Cross? Does that make sense for the casque location?

The idea of the casque being on Mont Royal is a possibility since the designer was Dutch it would give a connection to the Dutch settlers, however I haven’t able able to figure out how the verse gets you up the mountain.
The area around the Cross was worked on in the early 90s when they replaced the electrical and changed the lights from bulbs to a fibre optic system and again in 2008 when these changes were made from what I could find in public records:
– remove the fence surrounding the cross and cover the leg base with a perforated metal siding preventing climbing ;
– rearrange the base of the cross;
– modify the landscaping around the cross;
– redevelop the adjacent trails;
– open and frame views of interest;
– relocate the furniture of the sector.
To me this means any visual indicators around the cross are long gone and probably the casque too if it was there to begin with.

Howardjthomas

Don’t forget under the scratched out area next to the legeater is a flur de lis. As shown on the original on exp unknown.
I also believe the final dig area will be in a 200yd to 500yd area.

The two found casks where in a smaller(200yd to 500yd) area once you get to the verse. The image should get you close. Then the verse to the dig site.
I’m not too familiar with the image but I think the legeater and flur de lis. Will be in the dig area for sure. There is a fence with a legeater and flur de lis I saw someone post. How common is this in Montreal.

hockeydenis

The idea of the casque being on Mont Royal is a possibility since the designer was Dutch it would give a connection to the Dutch settlers, however I haven’t able able to figure out how the verse gets you up the mountain.
The area around the Cross was worked on in the early 90s when they replaced the electrical and changed the lights from bulbs to a fibre optic system and again in 2008 when these changes were made from what I could find in public records:
– remove the fence surrounding the cross and cover the leg base with a perforated metal siding preventing climbing ;
– rearrange the base of the cross;
– modify the landscaping around the cross;
– redevelop the adjacent trails;
– open and frame views of interest;
– relocate the furniture of the sector.
To me this means any visual indicators around the cross are long gone and probably the casque too if it was there to begin with.

Yeah, I mentioned that the lighting had been updated, although the electrical panel looks like it was reused, probably to save money. Also, possibly that if something was unearthed, maybe someone saved it. Might not hurt to talk to the park dept.

Don’t forget under the scratched out area next to the legeater is a flur de lis. As shown on the original on exp unknown.
I also believe the final dig area will be in a 200yd to 500yd area.

Howardjthomas

I also believe the final dig area will be in a 200yd to 500yd area.

Can you explain this a bit more?

Okay, thanks to the feedback from Finex and hockeydenis, I have revisited my proposed solve for Montreal. I failed to research the history of the race track and Biosphere, assuming they were reasonable clues. This was wrong of me, I should have been more thorough.
As I thought about it, placing the start of the hunt in downtown made a lot of sense. I thought back to when I visited Montreal in the 80’s and the entertainment district, including the red light district came to mind. Looking at the first verse “Lane”, I thought about a narrow street or one-way streets. Then it hit me, 2-22 Rue Sainte-Catherine! It’s a one-way street. This was sort of the heart of the arts and entertainment district. McGill University and art museums, shopping, red light area. This is the start point in my mind. It is really important to understand that this area looks nothing like it did back in 1980.
Walking down St. Catherine, you would pass parks, The Sun Life building, Dorchester Square where the Beaver Hall Hill house used to sit. From there you go over to the Mount Stephens Club (MSC) with the leg eater pole. From MSC, head up to the Royal Victoria hospital at Mount Royal Park. From the steps at Rue Peel it’s about a kilometer to the Cross at the top. The casque should be buried near the electrical junction box 12 paces from the Cross.
I have revised my solve and included the walking map in the PDF this time. The path is very straightforward and definitely walkable. It should take about an hour or so and is under 2.4 miles total.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/b7qo3prt3oca9 … 2.pdf?dl=0
Again, if you have comments, please post here or PM me.
gManTexas

The 2-22 Saint Catherine is a great find. Haven’t seen that before.
Although they both seem to be in the same area, the ample distance between 2-22 and the next part of the solve: MSC (2.2 km Which I think is like 1.5 miles roughly), makes me wonder if this one isn’t a “walking tour” puzzle but more a “just some buildings around the area” puzzle just like Chicago.

drunknerds

The 2-22 Saint Catherine is a great find. Haven’t seen that before.
Although they both seem to be in the same area, the ample distance between 2-22 and the next part of the solve: MSC (2.2 km Which I think is like 1.5 miles roughly), makes me wonder if this one isn’t a “walking tour” puzzle but more a “just some buildings around the area” puzzle just like Chicago.

That could very well be. I think this one is not a bad walk, but maybe others wouldn’t want to walk it. Sean Kelly, who is Canadian, may have had something to do with this puzzle. His interpretation may be embedded in this Montreal hunt. If we assume that you are spending a couple of days in Montreal, it wouldn’t be so bad at all. I’m not sure that anyone has established what a reasonable distance for the path of clues to be, so it’s hard to judge.

Sitting here at the bar on my 40th birthday, having a big dish of Poutine in honor of going through all the posts in this thread. Why is the secret so fascinating? Is it the stony pics?
Cheers!

drunknerds

Sitting here at the bar on my 40th birthday, having a big dish of Poutine in honor of going through all the posts in this thread. Why is the secret so fascinating? Is it the stony pics?
Cheers!

Happy birthday!

Good call about Kelly. Makes me want to search the book more, as this puzzle is frustrating in it’s apparent lack of detail. I want an image-match at the dig location, but I can’t even think of something in the image there is to match

probably not serious but i still see the blob as a weeble or “kilroy was here” , the guy peeking over something………..which brings me right back to….guess what?  the american transit company gave a trolley car to the real kilroy!……circles circles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilroy_was_here
3rd story
http://www.allmilitary.com/board/viewtopic.php?id=24573
and isaac asimov wrote a short story about “kilroy” who went back in time to witness important events in history and then
they found a “stone wall” on mars  with “kilroy was here” on it……….and guess where isaac asimov grew up………..brooklyn!

Unknown

Unknown:
In an interview in January, structural architecture professor Pieter Sijpkes of McGill University explained the reason new construction poses a threat to historic buildings like the Mount Stephen Club is that Montreal is built on clay soil, which shrinks when it loses humidity, causing foundations to shift. When construction crews excavate a site, they pump out water, which affects the humidity in the soil, he said.

Interesting item on the soil composition of Montreal from an article about structural problems at the Mount Stephen Club during the building of the attached hotel:
Link:
http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/structural-problems-date-back-15-years

So, what are the odds that it was hidden behind that fleur de lis fence right by the left legeater? On the one hand:
– We have no other confirmers for a dig location, and nothing else that could really be interpreted as an exact-match. It’s just checkers and giant head
– Preiss could have thought it was too easy having those two right next to each other, and crossed out the fleur
– This could be the “get permission to dig out” verse
On the other hand:
– Wow, you just jumped onto a private club in a foreign country, dug a huge hole, and are now offering a financial reward for others to do so as well
I feel like the area in question has been excavated at least once since 1982, with all the construction.

In discussing with drunknerds, we came to the conclusion that referencing Eugene Godard’s hot air balloon fight in Montreal in 1856 may be a bit too obscure, so I looked at this again and came across some information regarding hot air balloons used during the 67 Expo to deliver air mail. If we look at the Monk’s lapel, there is what we thought to be a flower, but it actually looks like the underside of a hot air balloon with gondola. There is even a 67 on the side of it. I have revised the solve to version 3 to reflect this. I have left the Godard reference in there, since there may be a plaque or something related to his flight in Montreal. This does not change my opinion on the casque location at the Cross on Mount Royal.
Thanks drunknerds!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pxtaaq0wr0zyz … 3.pdf?dl=0

gManTexas

In discussing with drunknerds, we came to the conclusion that referencing Eugene Godard’s hot air balloon fight in Montreal in 1856 may be a bit too obscure, so I looked at this again and came across some information regarding hot air balloons used during the 67 Expo to deliver air mail. If we look at the Monk’s lapel, there is what we thought to be a flower, but it actually looks like the underside of a hot air balloon with gondola. There is even a 67 on the side of it. I have revised the solve to version 3 to reflect this. I have left the Godard reference in there, since there may be a plaque or something related to his flight in Montreal. This does not change my opinion on the casque location at the Cross on Mount Royal.
Thanks drunknerds!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pxtaaq0wr0zyz … 3.pdf?dl=0

No need to thank me for being my usual, cynical-to-a-fault self.
I don’t see the underside of a hot air balloon, but I think this expo 67-ballooning connection could have legs. Time to check some old Expo ’67 brochures, maybe there was a monument left to the balloon mail.

Fenix

What if you are supposed to ride the balloon through the path and then up the mountain? Just don’t pop the balloon while landing on the cross. Solved.

LOL, Just go up there during your two weeks of summer and dig this thing up.

The new hotel at MSC should do a promotion: All guests get to dig one hole

drunknerds

The new hotel at MSC should do a promotion: All guests get to dig one hole

Is there still a red light district?

Fenix

Wait, we get two weeks this year? Amazing!
I’ll dig for you when you tell me how to get from downtown to the peak of the mountain in a logical manner(using the verse or image), the significance of the acrostic, and something in the image that I will see near your dig site….oh, and why the only standing member is sitting atop the white stone closest. I mean other than all of that, your solve is
electric
, haha.

Okay, I’ll bite. Which acrostic are you referring to? The canoe one? ABBOT? That would only reinforce my idea that the monk is religious and pointing literally and figuratively to the cross. Maybe something else?
So, I came up with a proposed solve, and it is probably the most complete theory that I have seen. I’m not saying it is correct, the only way to know is to dig up a casque, or conversely not dig one up after trying at this location. Surely, there must be someone willing to try, even if not you. If nothing else, it’s a nice day in the park.
What is your theory? Maybe we can swap notes and crack this together.

I’m not seeing it, fox. Here is a satellite image of the same thing:

ah, from above it looks more uniformed (unlike the collar) than it did from my angle. I just saw the odd lines and the colors were similar. oh well, back to the drawing board.

If this turns out to be the P for a possible Philly V…take a look at the strange patterns around the collar.  Could they be this?

i’m thinking that is a golf cart now (not kilroy)  and that is just a dogleg (in golf ).  and i’m thinking this pic goes with new york, so tomorrow, oh wait, it’s the weekend, sometime soon, i’m gonna concentrate on van cortlandt and all other golf courses and parks in new york  ;D
lol, latourette’s park in staten island could fit for “hard word” or many hard words

Kovy

Hello all,
I am a Montrealer currently living in the Golden Square Mile and have recently stumbled upon this quest. Just checking in to see if anyone else is still on the hunt!
Cheers

Absolutely. What is the current status of the construction at the new Hotel Mount Stephen?

Kovy

Hello all,
I am a Montrealer currently living in the Golden Square Mile and have recently stumbled upon this quest. Just checking in to see if anyone else is still on the hunt!
Cheers

Absolutely. What is the current status of the construction at the
new
Hotel Mount Stephen?

I have a theory about why the fleur was blobbed.
A lot of my friends drew art for this book deal I’ve recently finished. Burnstyle and Malted Falcon did some great drawings. I can’t image ever taking a pen and just scribbling out any part of it, it’s art.
Why did I mention this? I wanted to get in a free plug. But the one thing that would make me grab a pen and mark up these beautiful pictures is if the legal team insisted. I wonder if Bantam’s legal department said, “dude there’s a legeater right next to a fleur-de-lis at the Mount Stephen Club. People are going to dig up the front lawn of that historic building, and there are some super rich guys in there who will sue our pants off. Take out an image. Not wanting to obscure the legeater, Preiss crossed out the fleur. Perhaps he also added “get permission to dig out” tacked onto the end of the verse on the insistence of legal.
What does this mean? It’s not in the MSC. I suspect that it’s like New Orleans, where there are images in the park that can be seen from Gallier hall. Maybe it was buried in a planter/grass that one can see the legeater from.

Hi all!  I’m pretty new to the whole treasure hunt thing, finding this site a couple of weeks ago while looking for info on various hunts.  The Secret has caught my eye and I have been looking at the images and verses a little bit.  Just a few things about Image 9 possibly being the St. Louis site that I haven’t found anywhere else:
Most of the discussion about the Forest Park site has been around the immediate area around The Jewelry Box as noted in #1 below.  However, if you zoom out a little, cross the golf course (from end to end only three stand watch) and compare the wrinkled collar to the waterway, it looks like a match to me.
Now on to #2 from the above picture…
Several of the post on the St. Louis thread have suggested that the blob in the picture is a fountain:
http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/i … c=2919.105
Another possibility however is the Joie De Vivre sculpture shown below:
The statue seems like a reasonable fit.  look at the photo as though you are standing in the 6 o’clock position.  Now imagine yourself looking at the sculpture from the 3 o’clock position.  Now look at the blob.  Pretty darn good resemblance?  Now, I can’t say for sure because I haven’t found a map or photo that has given me a difinitive answer, but from what I can tell this statue is located in the bend of a dogleg created by the waterway, much like our blob is in the bend of the dogleg in image 9.
Now if you are looking at V2 as the one that goes with P9, I still don’t have a good answer for the Gnomes admire Fays delight but one idea I just kind of stumbled on for the namesakes meeting at this site by doing a google search not expecting to return anything much.  I did a search for Forest Park namesake and the very first link came back with a discussion about its namesake trees.  Doh!  Forest Park…Trees!…anyways in the satellite image, there appears to be a grouping of trees very close to where I think the statue is located.  Could it be that there could be a visual clue near these trees?
St. Louis is the closest to me of all the possible sites for each of the casque.  I’ve taken an interest in it since someone had mentioned somewhere that the author had said there was one in St. Louis.
These are just a few ideas that I had and wanted to share.

2fast4u2c – welcome to The Secret!
I am not convinced about the statue. The match does not seem very close to me. But you may be onto something about the waterway. That’s the closest match to the collar I have yet seen. Nice job! Now if we can only find another of those darn lamps that
isn’t
in Montreal…

I too am not too sure about the sculpture being our blob.  It just doesnt look close enough like it to me…ie, the Montreal lamp post being EXACT.  I think once we find our blob, we will know for sure.  Here is a little info about the sculpture just in case:
Jacques Lipchitz sculpted the Joie de Vivre or “Joy of Life” in 1927 at a time when the sculptor was changing from his early Cubist style to a more impressionist, abstract form. Considered to be an important modern sculptor, Lipchitz studied art in Paris and fled to the United States in 1941, ahead of the Nazi invasion. He was inspired to create this vibrant work by his sister’s serious illness, hoping that it would help her hold on to life.
Welcome to the hunt 2fast!

I have seen no one comment on the totem poles in this image. Am I the only one that sees them?

Im not seeing the totem pole shapes yet. I like the idea though.

Im not seeing the totem
pole
shapes yet. I like the idea though.

I don’t see them. Can you describe where you’re looking?

There are two distinct totem poles (for a lack of a better description). You do know this is two pictures combined into one right? You have to create the two original images from this one image. Now this does not mean he literally painted two physical paintings but it is amazing how Palencar concealed this in the painting. I would love to see the original paintings.
As mentioned earlier here or on another forum, you can use a mirror and create a left mirror image and a right mirror image to get the two different images, one smiling and one frowning. I used photoshop to create the images. Split the image down the middle of his nose. One image has no hands, the other has 4 hands. Once you have these two images, zoom in on the center of either one and you will see the images that go from the top of the page to the bottom of the page. They are not crystal clear but they are definitely there.
Here are my photoshopped images. On the frowning picture the right half is one pixel out of alignment but does not distort the hidden images much. I need to go back and fix that some time but it works for me like it is.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/128861399 … res/JqQ0GE

And to throw another kink into the puzzle, I have a hard time getting the numbers to match up with Montreal. I can get 46 and 47 but that is the quadrant above Montreal. I cannot find a 45. But then again, those numbers that yield 46 and 47 can also yield 40 and 41. The symbols in the box above the legeater could be 79 or 97. If it is 79 I can get 80 in several diferent ways from the center of the flower. So, those degrees take us to Pittsburgh PA! And to top it off, the curvature on the top right half of the hat matches the Ohio and Monongahela rivers exactly. This may all be perfect nonsense but it all can be read in the picture. I’ll stick with Montreal myself until I can get more evidence to make me think otherwise. (Looking for a legeater candelabra in Pittsburgh)

Hmm, this casque has obviously been moved to Palermo Sicily now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu09fYE1xyQ
Brochure on the park says the posts were cast at a foundry a couple of blocks away. (Fonderia Orotea)
At least I now know there are more of these than the two in Montreal still in existence.

circular reasoning… if the legeater and the fleurdelis did not = the club,
how would bp be aware that it indicated the club too much?

maltedfalcon

circular reasoning… if the legeater and the fleurdelis did not = the club,
how would bp be aware that it indicated the club too much?

After the fact. Between the inception and copy proofing (1.5 years or so), someone finds the MSC. It’s reasonable, but unlikely.

Yeah, wow, well spotted. We can finally stop looking for a match with the darn thing.
I don’t know how useful it’ll be as a clue since they seem to appear everywhere, eg right by the legeater.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@45.49932 … 312!8i6656
(I don’t have access to images from the show at anything like that resolution, just dodgy YouTube clips, so more screen grabs would be nice.)

Could there have been a printing error when the image was published in the book?

My bad – shoulda known better.
All the same, it appears there was a fence in
1989
– it would interesting to see what that looked like.

i think i finally found, the dutch connection to montreal,the
INTERNATIONAL OLYMPIC COMMITTEE, voted in Amsterdam. Netherlands
in 1970 for the summer olympics to be held in montreal,in 1976
about mid pg
http://www.aldaver.com/votes.html

Unknown

Unknown:
The Beaver Wars, also called the Iroquois Wars or the French and Iroquois Wars, commonly refer to a series of conflicts fought in the mid-17th century in eastern North America. Encouraged and armed by their Dutch and English trading partners, the Iroquois sought to expand their territory and monopolize the fur trade and the trade between European markets and the tribes of the western Great Lakes region.

Unknown

Unknown:
The Great Peace of Montreal was a peace treaty between New France and 40 First Nations of North America. It was signed on August 4, 1701, by Louis-Hector de Callière, governor of New France, and 1300 representatives of 40 aboriginal nations of the North East of North America. The treaty ended 100 years of war between the Iroquois, allied to the English, and the French, allied to the Hurons and the Algonquians.

Here’s another possible link.
“The Hurons competed with the Iroquois for the Dutch and French fur trade”
– P27
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_and_Iroquois_Wars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Peace_of_Montreal

I really doubt that the lampposts were designed specifically for the Club. Searching for “lamp post base” on Flickr, I found a bunch of pictures that resemble the one in the picture; granted, they’re not exact matches, but that general design seems to be rather common.
e.g.,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/laurie_poon/50178460/
Also, Habitat 67 is pretty far from the Club, and I’m pretty sure you can’t see it from there…

maybe you will see something better,that youve looked at or,something you have
been looking for and cant find
http://www.360cities.net/image/mcgill-u … ,0.54,68.9
sorry forgot the HP
http://www.360cities.net

Update. Out of two dozen folks in the 40-50 age bracket only four knew the Puck Man reference. I put a poll to everyone on my facebook friend list and a high number of younger folks 25-35 got the reference…then I learned it was used in a recent film, Scott Pilgrim vs the World.  My experiment is broken…
Make that five folks.

Unknown

Unknown:
We simply can’t know how far BP took this game.  Arguing for a universally simple approach is a tad short-sighted.

That isn’t short-sighted, it’s sensible. In any sort of puzzle or treasure hunt, you must gauge how the general public is going to view what clues you leave. Leaving layers of obtuse clues does not make it easier to attain your goal, it makes it far less likely.
If you pick apart either of the solved hunts, you will see that there was little or no wordplay, no “third-party” clues at all and they were both arranged in “rebus” form–i.e., they had some direct and some indirect parts that made up the truth–the answer. “Where M and B are set in stone” is just THAT–M=Mozart, B=Beethoven, both were carved in a stone building.
M & B, Set in Stone
. It doesn’t mean anything ELSE. There is no historical reference there, no little bits of Americana, no obscure quotation to find in an equally obscure book. It was SIMPLE. How many times do you think people went over and over M’s and B’s, separately and together, before the truth was known? A lot.
Yet it eluded everyone until the casque was found. It was not “hidden”–not twisted, not buried under any other layers of meaning. But it is exactly that simplicity–that smack-on-the-forehead simplicity–that kept it unknown until the casque was found.
It is my opinion that we will not be able to find these by Googling. We might narrow down a location to a generalized area, but until a sight-confirmed visual marker is found, we will only have a great deal of speculation for the actual burial site. Not many of these verses are as specific as Cleveland (beneath the tenth stone from right to left, beneath the ninth row from the top, etc etc OF THE WALL, etc) or contain such accurate visual aids as the Chicago image. It is a waste of time and effort to find all these supposed “connections”, no matter how tempting their connectivity, when you should instead be looking for actual visual confirmation that fits precisely with the verse elements.
In other words, it IS simple. But that doesn’t mean you’re going to find it faster.

Grr, that blob. Here’s a rubbish comparison to a trellis near the legeater.

WhiteRabbit

Most people will only accept simple methods, because only simple methods were used for the two solved casques. The fallacy here is that the two solved casques were solved
because
they were simple, and the other casques require methods that are more complex.

It’s actually not a fallacy at all.  There is one very good reason why the other casques might not have been found yet: the fact that the world has changed a lot in the last 30 years, and many of the signposts leading the way are just plain
gone
.  I’m sure at least a few of the casques themselves are gone.  Dug up by a bulldozer and dumped in the back of a truck and hauled away forever, with no one making a note of it.
Also — and people keep forgetting this — BP himself admitted that he grossly miscalculated how “easy” he’d made the puzzle, even for the world of 1982.  He expected most of the casques to have been unearthed within a year or two after the book was published.

Erexere –
Most people will only accept simple methods, because only simple methods were used for the two solved casques. The fallacy here is that the two solved casques were solved
because
they were simple, and the other casques require methods that are more complex. But there is no precedent, so people won’t apply those methods. It’s a chicken-and-egg problem. The way out of this impasse is to solve a puzzle using more complex methods and then induce someone to actually dig it up as proof positive, setting a new precedent. This final step is the most difficult one.

…yeah, I’ve thought of trains and bridges in the background to this pic, and billows of steam or smoke, though I’m not sure I’d have seen the trains if I hadn’t expected them. There’s not much to go on in this one.

Here is Concordia (?) bridge in Montreal…from Expo ’67.
Just a hint of similarity.
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/4a9c6/dd4ad/

Trying to discern pictures in this one is maddening. You’d have to refer back to the book, but this reminds me of a building, like a cathedral or something, or a bridge. I get a sense of this “rugby-post” shape repeated in the distance, anyway.

or a bridge…

http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=2919.0
Check out my compliation here if you want.  What do you guys think?

The jewel is in the
middle of the crown (hat of the king).
(the first jewel in fact)
How does the lamp post
(in the middle of twenty one – U)
relate to this jewel postion.
Figure this out, and you are that much closer.
St Louis is a good possibility.

The dogleg could be makeing reference to dogtown. This would be something only locals would know. The other two or three other clues to the city of SRL were easy to miss.
I have had alot of time to think about both the image and potential verses recently.
I think the image is telling us either the pagoda  circle or world’s fair pavilion area of the park.

looks more gazelley then doggy to me.
I think you are trying to hard to shoehorn clues into your presumed site.
i.e..
Turn the image upside down and you will see a crude representation of the pagoda. Not perfect but close enough.
on the cleveland and chicago images hidden images (window, fixture, tower, wall, fountain, etc.,) were exact representations. cut and pasted and hidden, but exact.

Sounds great, fenix!  I am really back and forth (more likely, scattered) on this pic with several simultaneous theories.

that legeater
i think is lead , it is there , because it is a a lead, too where?
how many could there be, in the 80s’. and how many, have been moved since then.

The LegEater is the kind of architectural detail that might get moved  but not removed.
So basically the one in montreal is an exact match, not close, but exact. Finding one similar would not work, because what would the odds be that the painter changed it enough to make it exactly like one in a different city…
So either find one exactly like it in St. Louis or pick a different image for st louis.
This in no way says there isnt one in st louis, just that your are using the wrong image.

Trohn ,
I only want to say that the area the horse is standing on is a  U shaped patio looking out over the great basin. The 2 statues  on either side of the door to the art museum are named … SCIENCE & ART… namesakes meeting at this site .  I ventured down there on Monday to find some gnomes and Fays. I taled to the man at the Jewel box and asked him  how old the urns outside the jewelbox were , they had fairiies on them . He said they came from the original jewel box in 1936. I explained I was on a scavenger hunt and he suggested to look at the art museum inside . It also made me think of the part wher they rest their heads for a night . There are Busts in the art museum. Also there are fairies on the muny walls outside , sorry no gnomes . Carol

Regarding the St. Louis Jewel Box area theory, I went there today with sticks, thread, measuring tape, thin trellis pole, tapping hammer (marked for each half-foot), and my copy of The Secret.  Then
I tapped all ’round
The treasure ground
To uproot something
And brought up nothing.
Nothing, nothing, nothing, and I’m quite stumped.

Johann,
I know exactly how you feel. I have been to the zoo 6, 7 times and got nothing.
I know this is a funny suggestion, but perhaps you should try to contact some local environmental companies and see if you can borrow a gpr (ground penetrating radar) unit. there are small ones that you just pull behind you. You will need a 400mhz unit to see 3-4 feet down.
You can try and trade some free publicity for the use of one if you find it.
the internet will be your guide to who has one.
wilhouse

Ever noticed how the left sideof his face looks sinister (arched eyebrow) and the left side looks pleasant? hmmm… Just a thought.  🙂