Never mind. Close, but no cigar. Scroll down this page and you will see a closeup of the lamp.
http://weylin.com/about/restoration/

darkplacehospital

I saw a legeater lamp, two actually, in Brooklyn, New York. They’re in front of the old Williamsburgh Savings Bank right near the Williamsburg bridge. Unfortunately I couldn’t get a picture, I was in a car with other people when I saw it and we had places to go so I had to be on the move, but it’s there. Not any really great pictures online and the google maps stretview for it is blocked due to construction but here’s a very low quality picture I found online.

Interesting. It looks like those lamp posts are paws, though. Not hooves like featured in the clue or at the Mt. Stephan Club. The only known hooved, matching legeater(s) besides Montreal is/are located in Italy.
There are a few known examples (some even in Montreal) of pawed lamp posts that have been uncovered.

I wish I could be on board with this (especially because of the NYC / Dutch connection!), but I just can’t. The legeaters just aren’t a match. The ones at the Mount Stephen Club are a 100% exact match.
vs.
BTW, the facade and steps area (including the lamps) of the Mount Stephen Club underwent some major renovations last year, according to Google Street View. Is everything important still in place??

Oops, looks like our posts crossed in the aether.

forest_blight

BTW, the facade and steps area (including the lamps) of the Mount Stephen Club underwent some major renovations last year, according to Google Street View. Is everything important still in place??

Yes. It is now a bar/restaurant and hotel. I’ve had lunch there not long ago. Couldn’t spot anything relevant, but took several photos of the place (it’s opened to visit).
If anyone is interested to check what it looks like inside:
https://goo.gl/photos/772AscoNSssBQDE87
Façade is still exactly the same from all I can tell.

I saw a legeater lamp, two actually, in Brooklyn, New York. They’re in front of the old Williamsburgh Savings Bank right near the Williamsburg bridge. Unfortunately I couldn’t get a picture, I was in a car with other people when I saw it and we had places to go so I had to be on the move, but it’s there. Not any really great pictures online and the google maps stretview for it is blocked due to construction but here’s a very low quality picture I found online.
This building is very interesting, it has many parallels to image 9. For instance the way the sun hits it creates shadows that make the building look checkerboarded just like the man’s clothing in image 9.
Also worth noting that it’s patterned above the doors covered in Xs just like on his shirt and there is flower reminiscent of the one in the image on the top left part of the building. And there is a prominent steeple just like he is making with his hands.
I had to leave New York about 2 hours after seeing this so I didn’t get back for a better look. Is there anyone there who can check out the building and the surrounding area?

marcomcarneiro

Yes. It is now a bar/restaurant and hotel. I’ve had lunch there not long ago. Couldn’t spot anything relevant, but took several photos of the place (it’s opened to visit).
If anyone is interested to check what it looks like inside:
https://goo.gl/photos/772AscoNSssBQDE87
Façade is still exactly the same from all I can tell.

Thank you very much for sharing these photos. Nothing stood right out while you were there in reference to the image 9 blob, I take it?

Merlot Brougham

Thank you very much for sharing these photos. Nothing stood right out while you were there in reference to the image 9 blob, I take it?

Unfortunatelly not

I have played golf once, many years ago.  I scored a 97 on 6 holes; my brother made me skip the last holes because I kept sinking his balls in the lakes and he couldn’t afford that.
So, I can’t offer a GOOD game, but I can offer a game.

xlurker, you were right on!
I went to the Jewel Box area today, and checked out the AAA golf course, which is one of three courses in the park and is immediately next to the Jewel Box area.  One of the holes runs all along the Jewel Box area: Hole #7
!
I looked around the course without being hit by any balls, and I could not find anything that matches the 15 and 21 numbers.  (I did not look through the entire course, but only what is in the vicinity.)  I have converted the numbers into letters, considered that the middle of 21 could be 11 or K, and I still am at a loss.  Perhaps I must keep hunting the area and dodging rabid gazelle’s.

Good work Johann!!
I wish I could find more pictures of the courses and the area.
I’ll keep my eyes to the picture for now until I can talk someone into a good game of golf!

I’ll tell you why Im pretty sure the image does not refer to px-1 a golf club.
Byron Priess was a professional.
The PX-1 is a trademark patented product. to refer to it in his hunt, he would legally need to put a trademark symbol anyplace he used it.
There are so many other things that can be used to infer golf, fairways, tee’s etc..
So why open that can of legalese
I admit it looks like a golf flag. and then an X and 1 or a 7 more like a 7 to me,
so is this a px-1 or a px-7?
but the dogleg, is not a dogleg. Its the leg on a lamp in montreal. so there is a very low connection factor to golf here, 1 the flag, 2 the fingers (sort of not exactly) and 3 the dogleg which is actually not a dogleg.
but that does make me curious, is there a golfcourse near the legeater in Montreal?

i think i read fletcher’s field was the first golf course in north america,  and i think that was at the southern end of mont royal, but then it was moved somewhere else…….how do you move a golf course?……….i better look it up again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Montreal_Golf_Club
oops, oldest golf club, not oldest golf course

forest_blight

Okay, that’s crazy! Nice find.

It’s the claw not the hoof, but there is a legeater in BPL
https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/0182/rumbyrkp2c74m2f6g.jpg

Here’s a photo of that lamp that I took in August, 2008:
Definitely not “our” legeater.

Deuce

And a stone sculpture in the park. I can’t find any info on it so I don’t know how long it’s been there. And I’m not sure if a different angle will make it look even better.

placed in the park in the fall of 2006… too bad I liked that one.
http://ville.montreal.qc.ca/pls/portal/ … ing_en.pdf

I don’t think I’ve seen this posted before (apologies if so) but it looks like there is a good fit for that set of wrinkles on the right side of the hat. Looking at it from the white space side, there is a almost a shark fin type of bulge: compare that with voie camillien houde, which wraps around the west side of Mount Royal. Seems like a match. It doesn’t do much more than confirm Montreal as the city, but maybe it keeps the focus in the general area of Mount Royal as opposed to the Olympic Park or islands in the St. Lawrence?

its very close, and connected to the mount royal clue in the beret, taking you to the belvedere there, where you are taken to get a particular view…youd go that way to get to the old cemeteries (i picked some awesome chicken of the woods while i was there lol). in the cemeteries you see two of the three high posts are three ruse clues (with the third being the cross). youd also go there. and the chalet is an obvious choice for one use of the windswept halls clue. go there too. but most importantly the maison

Great photos, Fenix – thank you for posting them. Is it your understanding that the lamps are original to the house, or could they have been moved to their current pedestals from some other location?
(and if so… what was their former location?!)

Any thoughts on why the hoof (in the image)
extends beyod the boundries of the box?
Nothing on the lamp post suggests this detAIL.

FYI, I have sent out about 20 emails to iron/metal railing manufacturers/distributors, and even the association to which they belong, seeing if anyone can identify it.  I have received about 8 replies, none of which could identify it (although 2 said they could duplicate it!).
My 2 cents are that the casque is not in Montreal (we have too many other cities identified as possible treasure holders), and that this railing ornament is not unique.  If we could identify the name of the piece, or the manufacturer, we would be able to trace it to other locations in the U.S.  Alternatively, even if we cannot identify it, the people that live in or near St.Louis or NYC should make an effort to go for walks throughout the neighborhoods near the parks in those cities where we think the casques may be.  NYC may be a problem because it is so large, but you St.Louis people should go get some exercise pronto!

I dont know if we should discount Montreal all together tho.  The first step is to obviously find this thing there since we KNOW of one there and then try to research its origins.  We know there is a Canadian casque so I think we should atleast leave this door ajar…but, my gut also says that this may be one of our US casques.
So….as Egg suggested:

Fenix

Old Montreal and downtown are two very separate areas.  Old Montreal would be the first place I would have thought of as well.  Like I mentioned above, my wife thought it was City Hall at first too.  It is definitely not.  You can find close ups of those lamp posts.
Since Ravel mentioned downtown, I am fairly sure it is one of the old houses in the area that has been converted to a museum or something like that.  You will understand the steps if I can find it and snap off a few photos.  I will be headed out in the morning to try to locate this lamp post.  I finally managed some time away from the office.  Wish me luck all.

God, I hope the blob
is
there.  Good luck lad!!!

Good Luck and Godspeed young lad.  Once you locate it {not “if”} see if you can inquire as to its meaning or whom the sculpture was with the current resident/owner of the property.
ps…find us our blob darn it

Have camera will travel.  Just let me know what area you need looked at in particular. I have been beveral times to Forest Park and have yet to see anything like this , but will keep looking. Carol

The first picture of the virtual tour
has a stained glass image that looks
similar(not exact) to our image 12… weird.
http://www.clubmountstephen.net/V2/visi … lle_en.htm

Wow!  Is that a boob hanging out?

I believe, and I am an expert on such things,
that that is a fan.

FWIW, until Fenix uploads his pics, here’s a picture of the front of the Mount Stephen Club that includes our lamppost (bottom right).
http://community.webshots.com/photo/99164368/1102539452045983124mFiZjM

I believe Boogie is referring to the part above said fan, which appears to me to be an appendage clad in an undershirt.
Now, back to business.  The image is indeed similar to our P, especially the holding of the flower..dont many pix like this show the flower holding tho?????  Doing the 360 tour outside of the building shows that there just isnt much grass around, save for 1 small square of dirt in the sidewalk.
Check out the map of the area:
http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q= … 42915&om=1
Closest by are both Dorchester Sq (which I had looked into before this known location) & Place du Canada.  However; just down the street is our favorite Parc Mount Royal.
could the offset “blob” represent the way the blocks of the bldg are?  hmm, maybe not, there are no rounded areas as shown in “blob”
Thanks for pinpointing our thing Fenix!

this is interesting…
“Amenities:
The Mount Stephen Club is open for lunch from 12:00 to 15:00H and for dinner from 18:00 to 21:00H. The Sunday Brunch is a not-to-be-missed event.”
www.iacworldwide.com/display_club.cfm?club_id=84
there is our musical note in the P.

Egbert–
Yes, indeed, it is time for some serious footwork here in St. Louis (as in Montreal, too!).

Fenix

A quick wiki link to the architect, William Tutin Thomas,  who designed the house.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Thomas_(architect)

Everything this guy made is either in Canada or England.  Way back when, I tried linking Sir isaac Brock to image3.  Interesting that this guy designed his monument by Niagara.
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Brocks+monument

Here’s your guy.
http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/ … RTA0007966

erexere

MAD, to comment on your verse 2 breakdown, it looks like you have good ideas where you make associations that may well work if thats the right image-verse fit.  Once you go all-in and tie things together, it might look like you have a solve like Chicago or Cleveland.  My issue with that method is it assumes what we know about previous solves is true in its application and also that Preiss used that specific framework in the other locations.  I think he designed each destination according to what opportunities were provided and he evolved his process to include some variety.

Yeah erexere, very good point. Preiss could have done it in a very different way for the other destinations.
About Image 9 :  I noticed the hat of the character has some bumps in it that could look like a landscape or something else… when you rotate the image and concentrate on the dark part only, it looks like the profile of a monkey! A monk with a monkey on his hat. I tought about the Monkland neighborhood when I saw that, named after James Monk.
you know : The namesakes meeting
EDIT : here is the image of the monkey profile (having too much fun I think)
:
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Niteowl-
The associated countries comes less from the map in the book
tha the litinary of the jewels which details which jewels are associated with
which areas.
Carol-
I have always had a hard time coming to grips with the numbers
in this image.  I see that some things are trying to hard to look
like numbers but I am not cofident of the conclusions that are being drawn.
With that, I still think Montreal is viable, not just with this image.
(I do agree the legeater is a dead match.)
Major Items in this Image:
Theme – Portrait
Colors – Black and Gold and Roan
Shapes – Cap
Left Color
Risers around neck
Patterns- Checker Board
Clue to Location – Hands and their meaning
I am taking the other details to be secondary confirmers
for on site.

Trohn,
Thanks for your honesty . I know the  0 in the 90 is not as clear as the 9 is but it is there .  I do agree with you on the Leg eater and the other point that lead to Montreal . I’m still looking for a legeater in St. Louis.

Forest,
Thank you . If I could give you some  Homemade brownies I would . Does anyone See the 90 ?

forest_blight

niteowl – Pine was asking about the link between Montreal and the Dutch. P9
must
be the Dutch picture, by elimination if nothing else.

In looking at the book, I’m trying to get the countries straight.  The map on page 10 starts with
Scotland and Holland as 2 of the 13 Nations.  Then, in the old world to new world section it again mentions
the Dutch/Lowland group migrating to the Catskills/Manhattan and the Scots going to ‘a Nova Scotia’.  But
then the Scots get lumped in with the Irish and the Cathay/China nation appears.  So the Scots went to
the new world, but not as a separate nation?

How about a picture of the Arch and the Mississippi River right in front of our noses?
Look close:

ok see my post this morning in the chicago thread.
lets assume for a moment that the legeater is the iconic image in image 9
and it indicates montreal.
That means rue drummond is the road we have to follow.
one direction it dead ends in a building
the other it dead ends into Mount royal park.
so now which verse…
lets wiki mount royal park
The mountain consists of three peaks: Colline de la Croix (or Mont Royal proper) at 233 metres (764 ft), Colline d’Outremont (or Mount Murray, in the borough of Outremont ) at 211 metres (692 ft), and Westmount mount at 201 metres (659 ft) elevation above mean sea level. At this height, it might be otherwise
hmmm 3 high points… You probably see where I am going with this…
At stone wall’s door  Is there a stone wall and door at the intersection of rue drummond and mount royal park?
The air smells sweet  well it is a park…
Not far away
High posts are three  see above…
Education and Justice
For all to see
———————-Other features of the park
well-known monument to Sir George-Étienne Cartier. During his long career he promoted the establishment of the Civil Code as the formal law of Canada East. He also promoted the introduction of primary education in the province
Is there anybody actually on the ground in montreal on this list???
love to see if there are any other possible links…

It is possible that this image goes to Montreal. We know one casque is in Canada and one casque is in St. Louis.  The thing is 8 of these images we have found definate information for a city. We may not know the exact park or verse but we know the city. of the four we do not have a definate city match on one is definately in Florida. that leaves three images one goes to STL one goes to Canada. If this goes to Montreal though the other two images do not indicate STL as much as this one. In the rare event this is Mointereal then the Metalman image is likely STL.

but there is that dang legeater…
so besides the checkerboards which remind of purina.
what about this image specifically says STL and not just “might” say STL.
ie the water tower -in chicago
and the building in cleveland.
and the rebus that says milwaukee.
is there a lat/lon or a map? or an exact image? something like that?

MAD

Yeah erexere, very good point. Preiss could have done it in a very different way for the other destinations.

While that is possible. It is important to remember that at this point 100% of the found casques resolve the exact same way.
Everything else is pure supposition.

I recall this scene in the pac-man game where you clear the first five mazes and it has an act where the red ghost chases after Pac-Man and snags his sheet on a nail, tearing a piece free and showing his bare leg. I’m toying with the idea that the blob is a tweaked hint for Pac-Man.

erexere

I recall this scene in the pac-man game where you clear the first five mazes and it has an act where the red ghost chases after Pac-Man and snags his sheet on a nail, tearing a piece free and showing his bare leg. I’m toying with the idea that the blob is a tweaked hint for Pac-Man.

Honestly, I think Byron used this as a clue to identify the location. The George Stephen House was built with extremely similar visual detail to the Old Courthouse in St. Louis, from the steps to the pillars. It was also constructed during a similar time frame in the 1800’s. As you can see, the “leg eater” is not exact. I think it was included for readers to start in the former “Jefferson Expansion National Park” and further direct them to a building of similar visual detail and to focus on the steps. I’m not sure why there are two different versions of the image – one reflecting a fleur-de-lis, and one reflecting a black image. However, the “black blob” certainly looks like the “ah ha” location marker, much like the images in Cleveland and Chicago. I’m not saying my theory is right, but it was fun to think about for a few days.

There is something that has always been in the back of my mind about this image. The New Orleans Saints football team….the team colors are black and gold – and the team symbol is the fleur de lis – just look at one of the helmets. If it weren’t for the legeater find, I would think these clues were directing the viewer towards New Orleans. Always wondered if that is why the fleur was altered?

MERLIN

There is something that has always been in the back of my mind about this image. The New Orleans Saints football team….the team colors are black and gold – and the team symbol is the fleur de lis – just look at one of the helmets. If it weren’t for the legeater find, I would think these clues were directing the viewer towards New Orleans. Always wondered if that is why the fleur was altered?

moi aussi
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=737&hilit=new+orleans&start=2014

Choice

moi aussi
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=737&hilit=new+orleans&start=2014

you sneaky devil >:D ! When did you slip that in there LOL

Lafitte

1. Hard word in 3 vols.  This really threw me. But… Hard words, books? 3 Vols. The Library of Congress consists of 3 buildings. Jefferson(rhapsodic man?), Adams, and Madison.
2.The face could be a combo of 2 of these and the collars go with this style.
3.The cap…Capital hill?
4.39 N 76 W  D.C lat and long.
5.Perhaps the dogleg ironwork is found on the grounds.
6.Twice as many east steps as the hour or more from the middle of one branch of the v…from the middle of the Jefferson building?
Just musings here.
http://www.loc.gov/loc/maps/images/map.gif
What do y’all think? Lafitte

Interesting…  Have you thought about Indies native?  It seems to me that after you find the arm that extends over the slender path, where in the summer you would hear a whirring sound with cars abound, there would be a sign nearby that speaks of Indies native although the natives still speak of him in Hard word in three volumes.
And the isle of B?  Why doesn’t it say the isle of b?  (Baltimore?)
I can tell you this, I went to DC to see the Mets the 1st weekend in October, went to the Library of Congress one day and naturally thought about The Secret.  Pretty much convinced there was a casque somewhere down there.
??  I know v12 is Chicago, but the word Congress in it would have led us first to DC, (and thanks Shadowrunner for saving us from that nightmare).  Red herring by BP?

The Jefferson building is covered with neoclassical art, busts, sculptures, etc. Indies native I really don’t know except that in the book  a number of tribes are mentioned. Isle of B, or aisle of B?
Has anyone found the foundry that cast those weird legs on the lamppost yet?  I’ve been doing some research on the internet but haven’t had any luck. I did find out that the neice of George Stephen inherited some property from him. It is called Les Jardins de Metis. Didn’t see any lampposts .

boogieman

Fox, you made me double over with this one!  Could almost hear the starting bells in that quote.

I am waiting for someone to provide me with a more complete solve….  Hasn’t happened.
(Image 9 – Verse 2)

Personally, I think there have been several complete solves….unfortunately, none have proven to be correct yet.
I cant say that your solve is incorrect…it just doesnt seem to fit all of the other ideas….especially the immigrants.  I still think that you are forcing things to fit.  Like I am one to talk.  You should have seen my early solve for V1P2 being in or very near the Four Corners Monument.  You want to talk about ALL images in P and ALL lines of V being explained…..

maltedfalcon

actually that looks just like the montreal 67 expologo to me

Unknown

Unknown:
In the two found casques, there were ZERO Allusions, a total of no word plays-  and zip allegories.  So if there are some in the remaining casques I will go out on a limb and predict they might be there but arent necessary to solve the puzzles.

And to me as well.
I agree again. I think that you go WAAAY overboard in trying to fit in your theories with parts of the images and verses.
These puzzles are NOT that complex. Nor are they all in Oregon.

The verse has allusions.  When you seek the sounds of rumble / Brush and music / Hush, you’re having to connect those to something specific such as the train tracks and the art school.  If you dispense with all allusury style you’ll have problems.
The truncations will require some work. (as in the one letter abbreviations).   How does arguement to narrow or restrict the application of alternate methods help unless you know for a fact that ALL the solutions use ONLY the same methods applied to the first two found casques?  It doesn’t help and even being right about one thing doesn’t make you right about everything.  It’s embarrassing to witness such lobbying.

maltedfalcon

actually that looks just like the montreal 67 expologo to me

“that”?  Mitchell Island or the hat?

shecrab

Nor are they all in Oregon.

You think I or someone else is saying that?

the 67 you are reading it as 47,46 or 49

erexere

You think I or someone else is saying that?

No she was just joking nobody thinks that,
however Verse 7, Image 1, Image 6, Verse 5, verse 9, Image 9 …

Yeah, the flower and 67 are totally worth considering.  I’ve worked hours on a Montreal solution but that’s meaningless if I even for a moment come at it with a “fit my theory” approach that demands anything beyond a degree of liberty.  In other words, if it isn’t an exact match, forget about it.
The problem with anyone showing distress over my ideas is that they haven’t addressed in the slightest the underpinnings of any historical or artistic context with regard to archetype.  If they have, I have missed the conversation among the distractions.
Let me stress the idea again, it’s not so much a theory of mine in the least, whether people who write stories or draw pictures, there’s evidence that ideas are shared or stem from some origin.  If I were to make up a super hero whose only weakness was a strange green glowing rock, I might claim it was an original idea but most people would say “yo, you’re ripping off Superman, not cool.”. In my image above I address briefly the comparison of the leg eater to an image from a Shakespeare reference to Puck that existed previous to the lamp in Montreal.  How do we know the lamp crafter didnt draw from the same inspiration as Palencar?  I dont know that answer, which is why I share this viewpoint and hope it can be constructive to others.  If you wish to consider this a far fetched idea, go right ahead, I have a great comic book to sell you…

This?

When is the St. Louis(d) podcast?
Seriously, it was a good listen. Fenix was a valuable member here not too long ago. It’s a shame to see guys like that leave.

Goldengate

It’s funny, I have zero skin in the game on this image or verse, but after listening to the information, I’d have a hard time seeing it in St. Louis.
Totally agree about Fenix — wish he was still around. He brought an immense amount of smart research and boots on the ground knowledge to this treasure hunt — but glad he’s still at it. I hope he’ll be the one to dig up this casque!

I have a hard time believing the St. Louis theory based on The Passage to the New World in the book and all of the clues in the Image and Verse.

After listening to the podcast I do agree that there’s a similarity to image 1 concerning the pointing fingers to the blocks or squares.
Looking at the hands and fingers, the 1st thing that pops to my mind is the shape similar to The Sydney Opera House that was opened a few years earlier in Australia.
Is there an opera house or music hall in the interest zone?

Looks like his nose.
https://tinyurl.com/ydevg4tg

forest_blight

An interesting sequence of events
1981
. J. J. Palencar paints a weirdo animal eating a hoof
Aug. 11, 2006
. ravel07 finds this guy hanging out at 1440 Drummond St., Montreal:
Aug. 12, 2006
. fox says “Lets research this thing to death.” FB says “Okay!!”
August, 2006 – March, 2007
. FB researches this thing to death. Many letters were written to vintage decorative iron
dealers and lighting specialists describing the situation with enough detail to intrigue, yet not enough to spill all the beans. These letters are accompanied with full-color photographs of the lamps at Mount Stephen Club. A couple bear fruit.
March 30, 2007
. Wayne Fuller of Robinson Iron Corp, Alexander City, AL writes:
“The post shown in your pictures contains a portion of ornamental detail from
a J. W. Fiske Lamppost No. 470 C. in a historic catalog in our collection.
Fiske had showrooms in New York, Philadelphia and Washington, DC. The three
hooved/paws motif can often be found on posts of the period but as to their
meaning I am sorry to say I do not know. Perhaps you might consult The
Library of Congress or The Smithsonian Institute to find out more. Good Luck
in your pursuit.”
Accompanying his message is this little gem:
…which matches the middle section of our lamp perfectly, as you can see (but
not
the base or the upper half). I guess the bottom wasn’t ornate enough for Lord Mount Stephen. The base was either replaced with another part on-site, or else ordered from a newer catalog.
Finally having something to go on, FB roots up information on J. W. Fiske. Three sources present themselves: (1) 19th-century Fiske catalogs in the Library of Congress and elsewhere, (2) An article by Barbara Israel (
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1026/is_3_157/ai_60370500
) that is very much worth reading, and, mentioned in that article, (3)
a living descendant of J. W. Fiske who happens to have, in his possession, sales records for the company.
.
April, 2007
. Jubilant now, FB seeks said catalogs through interlibrary loans. He also writes Barbara Israel for more information. Armed with serial numbers or catalog numbers for specific items (like, hopefully, our ornate lamp base), he will approach Mr. Fiske himself and figure out who else – hopefully someone in St. Louis – ordered one of these things.
That’s an update. My search is active and ongoing, and I’ll post more here before too long, I hope.

This is where the clue for Montreal seems to have started.
I notice that Drummond St leads to the Mount Royal Park.

vaq45

well-I have read a lot of posts and figure i should inject an observation—-the fingers on this image have bothered me and thought i would look at them more closely–the two index fingers are crossed-that would be a “10” in roman numerials–the middle finger is a “C” if you turn  the page 90 degrees–that would be “100” in roman numerials–(the index fingers are still crossed)the 10 is before the 100 so subtracting 10 from 100 leaves 90 which is the longitude for st louis–i have been to forest park a lot as i live near there and can tell you that a LOT has changed in 20 years-I don’t think anything can be found there-but what do i know-i’ll keep trying

sounds like you are attempting to fit the image with the theory…
‘two indexed fingers crossed’ = cross, steeple, church
‘the middle finger bent’ (not turning the book at all) = hill.

yeah—guess your right

I did not have alot of time to write last time but one other thing I forgot to mention was the whirring sound could mean Interstate 64 that runs right by Forest Park.

During the 80’s, the Arena in St. Louis was just across the highway from the jewel box site.  What those of you from St. Louis forget is what it was called back then….
http://hockey.ballparks.com/NHL/St.Loui … dindex.htm
“During the late 70’s (I think, maybe early 80’s), Ralston Purina bought the Blues and the building, and changed the name of the Arena to “The Checkerdome”. It was the Checkerdome for at least 6 or 7 years.”
This helps to make the checks on the outfit, espesially the hat, fit the St. Louis solution.
I think I solved the hands too.  You golfers out there should have caught it.  Grab a golf club with a standard grip, and then raise the club so that your hands are pointed the same way as our ‘friend’.  Looks the same doesnt it?  I am guessing that the hands could not be shown pointed down as they would with a club as this view would be just too obvious.  I think that the dogleg also refers more to golf than it does a bend in a road.  The flag and 7 on the right not only refer to the 7th hole on a golf course, but the 7th hole at AAA in Forest Park which is right next to the Jewel Box.
Only three stand watch
As the sound of friends
Fills the afternoon hours
If Verse 2 goes with this picture, then I really think golf plays a big role.  ‘Only three stand watch’.  Ever play golf?  Usually the group is 4 and only one person hits at a time, leaving 3.  The lions for the three stand watch line works very good too though. (see Johann’s posts).

There are many Montreal photos at
www.trekearth.com/gallery/North_America … c/Montreal

stercox

Nope.  Checked it out when I got home–not the same columns at all–sorry.

FWIW, I looked at those same pics in the book a couple of weeks ago… they’re at the New York County Supreme Court .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Nyc-supremecourt-60centerst.jpg

wow, those ice palaces are quite impressive!  but, why wouldnt BP have put more of a wintery/snowy/cold feel to the P?  I too, have been trying to research Square Dorchester-Place du Canada  because of its close proximity to Mt S C.

OK, how bout this…Square Dorchester-Place du Canada is yet another small park in Montreal.  It is 2 blocks from Mount Stephen Club.  It use to be called Dominion Square.  In the late 1800’s as part of the Montreal Winter Carnival, ice palaces were built at this location.  Perhaps the line in V2 “palaces to shelter their head for a night!” refers to the temporary shelter created by these palaces and the such a structure had never been seen before thus the !
http://www.victoriana.com/WinterResort/ … rnival.htm
http://www.georgeglazer.com/prints/spor … lcarn.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/15615105@N00/382464850/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/15615105@N00/382464852/
And look at the view from the park:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/58811959@N00/41035785/
There appears to be several statues and monuments in the park, but I haven’t been able to find good, up close pictures to examine.

looks to be quite a nose on Mr. (Sir) McDonald here.
Sir John A. Macdonald statue in the Place du Canada
another look at the real McD

what the heck is that blob in the background….?……

Wow, amazing research, Fox! Congratulations! It would be amazing if Montreal turned out to be a casque location.
I just want to mention (again) that my workplace is located two blocks the Club. I’ll start bringing my digital camera to work so I can go take pictures of the area during my lunch hour. I will take special requests too!

As promised, here is the link to the PDF that I put together with my proposed solution to Image 9 and Verse 5.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3uzw1tyt02bau … l.pdf?dl=0
If you have questions, feel free to post them here or PM me.
gManTexas

Went on recon last night after work.
Vandeventer and Kingshighway does have a fountain in a little patch of grass, but nothing resembling anything that we know.
Also walked the length of Kingshighway along Forest Park.  Looking for anything, but mostly the 15 rows and that little shape under the dog leg.  Nothing jumped out at me except for the obvious changes since 1982.  Metrolink was not there in 82.  All those refurbishments along Kingshighway like the light poles and Center Medians were not there back then either.  I hope some of these are still solvable considering what can happen in 20 years.

is there a brick or rock or cinderblock wall somewhere along the way that you could count the rows or bricks to get you to some point?
Part of my thinking is my hypothesis that Preiss hid these things next to permanent features, like walls or such, so that he could easily come back and claim them if needed.
wilhouse

I have walked all over Forest Park in quest of a wall, including on the golf course.  Nothing matched the numbers.
I have been to the Missouri Historical Society, researching old photos of the Jewel Box area, but there was no wall.  There was a giant clock on the ground made out of a flower bed, I believe roses.  This made me think of 15=O rose=rows, but still that did not lead anywhere.  As Spinner says, there is a lot of rock beneath the Vandeventer Gate.

Still looks like a jockey on a horse to me.

Trohn

Still looks like a jockey on a horse to me.

Oh wow, so thats what youve been calling the Jockey….all this time I thought you were talking about image 7.
I need help seeing how that looks like a jockey on horse.  Got any pics?

Turn the book (photo) 90 degrees.

spinner, so cruel! You had me going there. I hold out hope for a St. Louis legeater lamp.

Sup Homies!!!
Over the past 6 months I have tried to locate a legeater in St. Louis.  Again the idea being that more than two objects in the world have that feature.  Well, through research of the lamp posts and an intensive social media search involving thousands I have big big news!!!!  Ok, not really.  Nothing.  Have found a couple of Candleabras that are close, but no where nearly as exact.  I will keep my eyes open, but so far nada and this pic continues to be Canada until a legeater can be found somewhere else.

WhiteRabbit

I’d still like to confirm whether that fence in 1982 did have the fleur de lis, or was the same one that’s there now; seems possible. Emailed the place on the
[email protected]
address, no reply.

I know your post there is from a few weeks ago, but I was looking at some of the pages of this thread from 2006 when the legeater was first found, and it includes correspondence with a photo archivist who mentions “the iron fence with the fleurs-de-lys” and implies it was added prior to the 1930s:
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=737&start=555#p54697
The photo archive in question is the Notman Archives and you can find the photo drunknerds posted there, but it is dated mid-1930s, and I think you can make out the fleurs on the fence:
http://collections.musee-mccord.qc.ca/e … VIEW-25493
…in addition, the fence is there in this photo from 1903:
http://collections.musee-mccord.qc.ca/e … /II-147452
(I found those by putting the numbers in the email from the archivist, such as II-147452, into the search box at the top right of the musee-mccord website.)
Of course, that doesn’t prove beyond doubt that it was there in 1980-1981 but it makes clear that the fence with the fleurs was a longstanding identifiable part of the club’s front presentation to the street for decades before that at least.

analysisdead

I was looking at some of the pages of this thread from 2006 when the legeater was first found, and it includes correspondence with a photo archivist who mentions “the iron fence with the fleurs-de-lys” and implies it was added prior to the 1930s

Well spotted, thanks.

your suggesting there were two in Ohio?

No.  Its an outsider reference.  Similar to Keats epitaph.  You wouldnt want to suggest a casque is near his tomb just because a few words or a checkered pattern are associated with the process of understanding the puzzle.

I’m still liking the Harding connections.  The Harding memorial in Stanley Park looks suspiciously like the inspiration for a the wide headed mashup in this image:
Also, I like the 180 degree rotated Mitchell Island as a rough fit to the hat:
Then there’s the curving checker pattern of the Harding Tomb in Ohio:

boogieman

Yeah… Exact for sure.  But is anyone sure what it is that is doing the eating, and what has been consumed so far, at least down to the knee?  Wonderering what it actually symbolizes.

It has been mentioned earlier that the “leg eater”
is a Chimera
http://www.informatik.uni-bonn.de/~idea/chimera.html

I think it is simply an ornamental lion. The hoof-eating bit is odd, granted, but it resembles the kind of lion seen in renaissance art before European artists knew what lions really looked like. Not exactly many photographs to go by in those days.

adoks53

I think it’s a design after the painting “saint george and the dragon”, if that helps anybody out (just a guess though)

In addition to the Chimera, I liked adoks53’s explanation:

thanks jambone, if you go to the wikpedia under st. george, a gold half- soverign from england (about half way down the page) shows st. george slaying the dragon… take a good look at the dragon’s head… i think you’ll like it!  comment poeeze!…

Here ya go…

Sorry adoks, I don’t see it. I’m sticking with my lion theory.
Even if it is a dragon and not a lion, what does it have to do with St. George?
And who rides a horse naked anyhow??

… all I was trying to show was the dragon’s head looks a lot like the leg-eater head (the gragon on the coin just hasn’t bitten down yet…)… the theory being that St. George is english in origin, and the fair folk UNION JACK (pg. 166-67) reads and associates to canada (british colombia and Vancouver specifically). Why? I don’t know… just wanted to throw it out to see if someone else sees what i do… guess not.

and oh yes… Jambone, thanx for the pic… if i could only grasp this darn computer contraption…

Good point, to merge or not to merge, its difficult to say what’s a distinct vs a partial clue, such as a rebus item like millstone-walkingstick-key or in this case a box that contains the legeater AND the blob.  We’re at a loss if we were expected to identify the blob in the immediate vicinity of the legeater.  If we widen our radius around the lamp discover, then the Golden Square mile is reasonable.  I’ve always wondered if the blob is a blocky redacted object with only faint hints exposed in those round edgings.  What kind of thing could look like that? Rotated 90 or 180 degrees maybe? Does the size of the clue matter?

I was searching for some location confirmers and found these. It might be nothing but maybe something to look into.
Possible outline of Mt. Royal Park.
And a stone sculpture in the park. I can’t find any info on it so I don’t know how long it’s been there. And I’m not sure if a different angle will make it look even better.

Guardian

Sorry if I’ve asked this before, but does the candelabra at the George Stephen House have a name?

lol….calling it the ‘legeater’ used to cause JC to have a conniption fit:
http://quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/search.php?keywords=Garibaldi+candelabra

Sorry if I’ve asked this before, but does the candelabra at the George Stephen House have a name?

Guardian

Sorry if I’ve asked this before, but does the candelabra at the George Stephen House have a name?

I don’t know if it has a name but it may be based on Piranesi’s drawings. He has many chairs, tables and of course candelabrum designs similar to that.
Google Piranesi candelabrum

Choice

I don’t know if it has a name but it may be based on Piranesi’s drawings. He has many chairs, tables and of course candelabrum designs similar to that.
Google Piranesi candelabrum

J
In the podcast the Creator’s name was Fisk.

Looks like it is time to bump the lamppost discussion to the forefront again since I just finally received a reply from the Mt Stephen Club.  Here it is in it’s entirety:
———————————————————————————————————————————–
Mr. Fox,
Here’s the information we retrieve from our oldest member regarding your request:
As far as I know the lamps you refer to were designed for the house, although they may have been moved
from their original position on the front exterior stairway.
Earlier photos taken by Mr. Notman at the McCord museum in Montreal, may give you an answer.
Hoping these details may help you in your search.
Marie France Filipovic
Administrative Assistant
Club Mount Stephen
1440, rue Drummond
Montréal, Qc  H3G 1V9
Tél. (514) 849-7338, poste 236
Dear Sir,
I am trying to find any and all information on the beautiful lampposts outside of the club.  I am referring to the ones with the gargoyle/horse style heads with a leg extending from its mouth.  Was this design chosen specifically for the Club or can these be located at other locations around Montreal?  I understand this is a very odd request but any and all information would be greatly apprectiated.  Thank you for your time and assistance…
—————————————————————————————————————
There you have it….one of the club’s oldest members “believes” the lampposts were designed specifically for the club.  If this is the case then we can assume
1)  Montreal IS the correct location for this V  (or)
2)  we have to find the designer and tie him in elsewhere.
My gut feeling says that since we were told by BP that 1 of the casques is in Canada…Montreal is where it is at.
I have since emailed the McCord Museum and will let you know what they say.

I hope this is the case because
(1) I can find no other solid link to Canada
(2) it means we have someone local to follow up leads
(3) we can hope that a possible location hasn’t been
hopelessly renovated.
When I become the oldest member of something, I hope that I
can contribute to something of this importance!!

Has anyone looked at pictures of Habitat ’67? You can veiw these apartments from the old port in montreal, and it resembles the “blob” next to the moutheater. It’s the only thing that I can find in Montreal that even resembles that image

hmmm…now that may be promising.
Habitat 67

H-67 is 3.07 miles from the Mt Stephen Club.  Doesnt sound too far but looking at a map…
“start”=MSC —  “end”=H67
http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main … =QC&2z=H3C

Please review the following two links to images of the Trafalgar Apartments in Montreal:
http://www.imtl.org/montreal/building/Appartements-Trafalgar.php
http://travel.webshots.com/photo/1094927587045983124OCMEKd
I believe this could be a representation for the man’s collar.
The apartments are located at
3980 CHEMIN DE LA COTE-DES-NEIGES, MONTRÉAL
(right next to Mont-Royal park)
and were designed by the firm Hutchison and Wood.
I was not able to find any relation between A. C. Hutchison (of Hutchison and Wood) and J. F(?). Hutchison, the contractor who worked on the Mount Stephen Club. But of course that doesn’t mean there isn’t one. The name itself may be enough?
There is also a Rue Hutchison on the north-east side of the park that if it extended into the park would hit the George-Etienne Cartier monument, a monument around which many people gather on Sunday afternoons to play tam-tams (drums) in the summer.
Verse 2: “As the sound of friends / Fills the afternoon hours” ??
Here is a part I’d like some help with the graphic work. I believe the land on which the Trafalgar Apartments sit, the shape bounded by Chemin de la Cote-Des-Neiges, The Boulevard, and Chemin McDougall, could be the shape of the left part of the man’s inside shirt collar.
Do you think it’s too much of a stretch?
-bazile

Re: blob:  It looks a little like the dome at McGill University. There’s a well-known music school there, too, which would account for the note.
c

Great work on this fleur find.
Is there a chance Preiss was afraid people would see the legeater and the fleur, and start digging up that flower bed behind the fence at Mount Stephen House?

drunknerds

Great work on this fleur find.
Is there a chance Preiss was afraid people would see the legeater and the fleur, and start digging up that flower bed behind the fence at Mount Stephen House?

I’d still like to confirm whether that fence in 1982 did have the fleur de lis, or was the same one that’s there now; seems possible. Emailed the place on the
[email protected]
address, no reply.

JoshCornell

its possible, but only an idiot who could not follow the puzzle to its completion and ignored have the damned verse would ever do that…

Unknown

Unknown:
I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken.

– Cromwell
Hence evil spirit, begone to the place of something-awful-ness.

WhiteRabbit

I’d still like to confirm whether that fence in 1982 did have the fleur de lis, or was the same one that’s there now; seems possible. Emailed the place on the
[email protected]
address, no reply.

Nice job emailing them. I never think to reach out. Here’s a GIS image of the place, labeled 1984
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e6/e6/dc … 567d31.jpg

JoshCornell

right, cause theres totally a white stone that you can make paces from on the south side of something…totallllllllyyyyy

Sure…when you can match that verse to Montreal as well as it’s been matched to Charleston, call me.

JoshCornell

wait so you think the mtl verse relates to charelston? no dude. that is insanity

Now Mr Cornell, with due respect you are in no position to challenge others on the matter of sanity.

I see one image I associate with the Secret
and 8 images that I do not.
I dont even get your legeater/midsummer nights dream connection
yes puck has hooves. however he does not have a lions head nor does he ever put a hoof in his mouth.
The connection is not there, any more than any horse in the 1981’s Kentucky derby has a connection.
and they have 4 hooves so they have twice the connection you see with puck.
but this is purely personal opinion, if this gets you closer to a casque, I am cheering for you

maltedfalcon

but this is purely personal opinion

Aw, don’t negate the value of your opinion like that.
Eric, you won’t be surprised to find that I think you’re really off in left field again.  The images of the only confirmed solutions depict literal visual confirmers along the path to the casque and at the casque burial site.  With some other things thrown in there, of course.  But all this interpretive stuff just isn’t supported, anywhere, by anything that’s actually been found.  It’s like you’re off solving some other treasure hunt sometimes.

Trust me it’s stronger as a thematic interpretation than you think. Only a pro like BP could pull it off.  It’s so sweet when it clicks.  Remember there are fun and playful things here to be discovered.
I appreciate the opinion.  I see it as a beast and hoofed leg.  I’m not taking the foot in mouth approach.  It conveys eating and that works perfectly when adapted to “puck-man”.  The Oct 1980 US release of Pac-Man works perfectly as an iconic reference.  BP was a video game developer and to say he wouldn’t have considered Pac-Man would be a mistake.  The logo for CP Rail, which was the main venture for George Stephen of the Mount Stephen Club which has the Leg Eater Lamp distinctly resembles Pac-Man.  Ignoring this connection would be a mistake.  The CP rail extending from Montreal to Vancouver is a real connection.  Not seeing the absolute fact that Puck is the focus of this is a mistake.  The half smile half frown of the mans face is Shakespearian.  We only need to consider the name of the famously hoofed character in his work…nothing fancy.

erexere

Trust me it’s stronger as a thematic interpretation than you think. Only a pro like BP could pull it off.  It’s so sweet when it clicks.
I appreciate the opinion.  I see it as a beast and hoofed leg.  I’m not taking the foot in mouth approach.  It conveys eating and that works perfectly when adapted to “puck-man”.  The Oct 1980 US release of Pac-Man works perfectly as an iconic reference.  BP was a video game developer and to say he wouldn’t have considered Pac-Man would be a mistake.  The logo for CP Rail, which was the main venture for George Stephen of the Mount Stephen Club which has the Leg Eater Lamp distinctly resembles Pac-Man.  Ignoring this connection would be a mistake.  The CP rail extending from Montreal to Vancouver is a real connection.  Not seeing the absolute fact that Puck is the focus of this is a mistake.  The half smile half frown of the mans face is Shakespearian.  We only need to consider the name of the famously hoofed character in his work…nothing fancy.

Yeah, so, when you say “nothing fancy,” you are tying in:
1) biographical facts about BP unknown to the reader (that he worked as a video game developer, and is this even true?  First I’ve heard of it.)
2) the fact that Pac-Man’s original name was “Puck-man”
3) a visual connection between Pac-Man and the logo for CP Rail (but acknowledging that for some reason, BP and JJP chose not to include a simple line drawing of the logo, or Pac-Man in the image, and instead opted to go for the far more obscure way of representing this)
4) connecting CP Rail with George Stephen (also not common knowledge)
5) tying George Stephen to the Mount Stephen Club, and
6) getting you back to the legeater, which you interpret as the specifically the half-fawn half-man character from Shakespeare’s A Midsummer Night’s Dream
That’s beyond fancy.  It’s baroque.
More likely, the legeater is just a visual confirmer of an object you see on the way to the casque site, or at the casque site.  Just like Chicago and Cleveland.  You’re making this *way* too complicated!

H.mm.  I concur.  Those are the facts.  Thats what ive done.  I am going for baroque here.

Unknown

Unknown:
I am going for baroque here.

Fenix

If you all were able to check out the sight here in MTL then you would realize the Mount Stephen Club doesn’t fit for a final burial ground which is a bummer but I am not going to try to fool anyone.

Fenix, I was reviewing this thread and I wondered if you would expand on this comment?  From the pictures,
it appears that there are patches of grass on both sides of the stairs and these would be possible locations
for the casque.  You wouldn’t need more than a few square feet.  You had mentioned it would be difficult
to sneak in and bury something on the Club grounds, but I wonder if that would have been true in the 80’s?

I’m with you Jambone….a lamp post, no matter how famous, doesnt seem to be “the” thing that would get us to Montreal.  But, what in the P does that though?
Maybe just some simple searches of just Montreal will garner hits on most famous locales of the city…

Ok, I got a much quicker response from Ms. Holland, unfortunately, she was of no help at all.  Here is her very brief response;
———————————————–
Dear Mr. Fox,
I am sorry to report that we do not house works by this architect.
have you tried to contact the Mount Stephen Club directly?  Here is the website:
www.clubmountstephen.net
.
I would also suggest to look in Notman Photos of the house, if you have not already done so.
There are alot of books about the history of the CPR and George Stephen, which may lead you to what you are looking for.
Best of luck,
Ann Marie
Ann Marie Holland
Preservation Librarian/ CAC Curator
McGill Library
McLennan Building
Rare Books Division, 4th floor
Tel.: [514]398-4707
[email protected]
———————————————————-
sounds to me like she just didnt want to put forth the effort that Helene did.  oh well….back to the drawing board…

Don’t know if any of this has been mentioned before.  I’ve tried to read as much of the post here and on tweleve as possible to catch up on all of the theories.
St Joseph’s Oratory and/or several of the cathedrals in the Mont Royal area could fit the dome shaped collar outline.  The waterway is a close match to the white collar (right side).  I think I came across something that the Bank of Montreal is famous for checkerboard marble floor?
Has there been any discussion of the shape of the mouth?  Half smile, half frown.

It has been proposed that the smile and frown represent Comedy and Tragedy.

Hi everyone,
I live in Montreal and was introduced to the quest by a friend a few months ago. I’ve read all this thread, but have been just silently watching it here, while looking for clues around Montreal, anything that could spark a new clue.
This weekend, I went to visit the Biosphere, the sphere shaped building, built for the Expo ’67. There one can find some pictures from the Expo, and then I saw this (can’t upload pics, board quota was reached):
https://goo.gl/photos/QRLNgyaEWKWgQCax8
I really thought it could mean something, since the checkers pattern is there – and is not Purina, at least on this example.
However, I haven’t seen this building, and I’ve drove through that bridge several times, so after a quick research I’ve found out that the building was demolished on early 1970.
The only information I could find was in French, links below.
http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2015/02/28/camping-expo-67
http://archivesdemontreal.com/2013/07/25/du-camping-dans-la-metropole-1955-1967/
It’s not as meaningful as it would have been were it still there in 1980, but I thought sharing it with you may (or may not) help with future investigations.
Thanks y’all,
Marco

Good job Forest.
Pine

In support of NYC is a possible 73 on the right side of his hair. NYC is at 74 W. longitude, but is quite large. Looking for a 40/41 (for NYC’s latitude), the weird number thingy in the flower could easily be a 40 (has anyone pointed that out?), and the number in the small square on his other lapel could be a 41. The Dutch theme definitely goes with NYC. I wonder what
new
insights could come of considering this picture as referring to NYC?
Incidentally, the X in that same box looks very much like a Roman numeral X.

In support of NYC is a possible 73 on the right side of his hair. NYC is at 74 W. longitude, but is quite large. Looking for a 40/41 (for NYC’s latitude), the weird number thingy in the flower could easily be a 40 (has anyone pointed that out?), and the number in the small square on his other lapel could be a 41. The Dutch theme definitely goes with NYC. I wonder what new insights could come of considering this picture as referring to NYC?
Incidentally, the X in that same box looks very much like a Roman numeral X.

Hmm…

Uncanny resemblance! Very close.

Concerning an earlier post on this thread about the Missouri Fox Trotters (the controversial dog/fox/gazelle with a hoofed leg), today I trotted over to the St. Louis Forest Park mounted police headquarters to ask about their breeds.  They are definitely not Fox Trotters nor do they use any fancy gait.  It does not seem as though they ever have used fancy horses for their kind of work.

Some ideas pointing to Vancouver:
–ruffled collar of the white shirt and the neck inside, upside down: British Columbia Province
–Captain George Vancouver descended from the Dutch Van Couverdens
www.direct.ca/news/cdutch/dutch01
although the area is not conspicuously Dutch in its immigration history
–upside down arch in collar: Lumberman’s Arch in Stanley Park (near zoo and aquarium),
although it doesn’t look a thing like the arch in the image
www.vancouverhistory.ca/chronology1952
–black and gold checks: nearby Black Gold Lodge, a fishing lodge?

I know I have proposed St. Louis and Baltimore for this pic, but I also wonder if Quebec Province, Canada is a possibility.  I don’t think I am the first to suggest Canada.
If we consider the lat/long numbers to be 73 (upside-down in hair) and 47 (what we have called runes in the X box), here are the cities close to 47, 73:
Quebec City–46.75, 71.17 (one source says 46.48, 71.15)
Montreal–45.50, 73.58 (one source 45.31, 73.34)
Trois-Rivieres–46.21, 72.33
Laval–45.36, 73.44 (NW suburb of Montreal, an island,
and 2nd largest city in the province)
Gatineau–45.29, 75.39
Sherbrooke–45.24, 71.54 (E of Montreal)
Hull–45.26, 75.44
So, Trois-Rivieres would seem to be promising if 47, 73 are indeed the numbers.  Then again, there is the upside-down 39 in the curl of his hair.

Can you give us the link to that post, Trohn?

maltedfalcon

I am going to suggest an application of Occam’s Razor here.
The Simplest solution is the best….
a -There is a casque in Canada
b-There is a picture of the leg of a lamp located in canada in Image 9…
c- while the lamp’s manufacturer is known, the base seems custom made and unique.
d – no one else recognizes this lamp as a local landmark
a+b+c+ d = image 9 is the Canadian image…, montreal is the Canadian City…

I’ve got to agree with maltedfalcon here.  It is possible that the legeater thing is located in other places and we just haven’t found it yet.  But until someone finds another one somewhere else I vote that we assume that image 9 is Montreal.

Coupla interesting things about Montreal.  Mont Royal Park was designed by Frederick Law Olmstead.
When you google “Grant Park” and “Cleveland Cultural Gardens” one of the hits you get is for
www.pps.org
which is the homepage for Project for Public Spaces.  And I found this when I was googling images for St. Louis Square.
Great Public Space:
Square St. Louis, Montreal, Quebec
A classic Victorian fountain is the centerpiece of the park, along with an old gazebo with a small selection of snacks. It is said to be favorite haunt of writers, painters and filmmakers seeking artistic inspiration, but on a sunny day everyone in the neighborhood seems to be there, making it a true town square. The major attraction are plentiful benches, where you can relax, meet your neighbors or just watch as the world passes by.
This nomination is from the Project for Public Spaces (PPS) website. PPS is building a database of “Great Public Spaces”, which can be viewed at:
http://www.pps.org/great_public_spaces/
.
Now obviously this nomination for St. Louis Square comes WAY after The Secret was written but maybe BP and this organization had a similar eye for interesting places.

animal painter

cw0909…
Wow is right!
BP could really have been having a lot of fun, being able to truthfully
say that there is a casque in Canada (Montreal) and in “St. Louis”, Montreal.
These are just a few photos in that park Sq. St-Louis in Montreal….
I cannot make out the writing on the base of the statue.
AP

Digger, I did find photos of the fountain and other sights in “Sq. St. Louis”
Which verses are left that may be related to Image 9?
AP

digger7

I’ve got to agree with maltedfalcon here.   It is possible that the legeater thing is located in other places and we just haven’t found it yet.  But until someone finds another one somewhere else I vote that we assume that image 9 is Montreal.

If you remember, I did post a photo of another ‘leg eater’ found inside the Boston Public Library.

xlurker–
Great observations, by golly!
I had never noticed these things.  Coincidentally, I had planned to intensively check out the St. Louis theory (again, of course) tomorrow (and perhaps Friday as well, of course).  Much thanks!

This pic is driving me nuttier.
Lego car looks like a child/person peeking over the back of a bench or a school bus seat. (with a  satchel on floor?) It looks like a pedestal type bench though. This “patch” may be telling us children’s zoo.
Outside the open eyes on her/his face are another set of closed eyes. The arched eyebrow is actually over one of the closed eyes. If you fold to almost cover the open eyes you get another more normal looking mouth. Kind of looks like the Grinch. What has 4 eyes and still can’t see? Mississippi.
Musical flower- viola/ violet
Musical note makes “MO”. O being under the M.
I can’t really make much of the collar but I found a cool site looking.
http://www.cupola.com

I have searched around the Muny in Forest Park (some time ago), and I do not recall a legeater.
If anyone comes to STL, I would love to help.

There are just too many stone walls.
But we shall perservere!!

I found a small stone wall in Montreal
http://www.vieux.montreal.qc.ca/fortif/ … depl_a.pdf

xlurker

There are just too many stone walls.

So true…
But atleast there is only 1 exact legeater
.  This coupled with the knowledge of a for sure Canadian Casque….

I don’t know that I would call it a bizarre leap of logic, but I am aware that it may very well refer to the Wright Brothers Day. That would totally make sense because it cues you in to Wright Brothers Memorial and the ‘wing’. But, you are likely passing it on Highway 12, also known as Virginia Dare Trail, cueing a person in to Virginia Dare and the statue base. We already assign numbers to the months to get the birth flower and stone…
Just saying, it takes just as many steps to get to WBD as it does HWY12, one. December = 12. Come to think about it, how many steps does it take to get the Washington Baum Bridge out of “Ride the Man of oz?”

This thread was fun to read through.  Great work everyone!  What’s even more remarkable is how hard it is to choose the right verse to go with it.

The pattern four21thrasher pointed out on the building next to the legeater resembles Image 7.
I’ve written randomly to a few people in Montreal trying to find someone interested in this puzzle.
No luck yet. I think we’re alone.  😉

scottrocks7

We do not know the location within the park yet. But the clues strongly indicate Forest Park. Does anyone know the location of the mumy in relation to Pagoda Circle. For now I still think Pagoda Circle is the area of the casque I think the pagoda is the “white house” mentioned in the verse.
For now though we need to asume our original therory about verse 6 being New York is true and act on it now that the concerte has been removed from the NY park until I can get something more definate.

yes
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/5810017
i think the fountain is behind the pagoda, out of that view
sorry did not see or look at those posts for the fountain

scottrocks7

The hands then are likely a representation of Pagoda Circle the pagoda is on a hill and Trohn said it looked like a church on a hill. What Trohn was likely seeing was a pagoda on a hill.

No.

this fountain is very near the muny in forest park
has about the same shape as pic
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/7468017

There are several pictures of this fountain posted in the thread “St. Louis Compilation,” July 2006.

We do not know the location within the park yet. But the clues strongly indicate Forest Park. Does anyone know the location of the mumy in relation to Pagoda Circle. For now I still think Pagoda Circle is the area of the casque I think the pagoda is the “white house” mentioned in the verse.
For now though we need to asume our original therory about verse 6 being New York is true and act on it now that the concerte has been removed from the NY park until I can get something more definate.

fox

ah yes, back to jackson square.

Of course i did not mean for this V to lead to N.O.  I was only excited about the mention of Jackson Square (where {or near where} I believe the N.O. casque to be).

Note the
horses
leg here.  (Sorry Trohn)
Art Museum of St Loius.

erexere

I’m working on a general theory (no pun intended) that one line per verse is designed to pair with a picture unrelated to that verses intended location.  Of course I’m going on flimsy evidence, so its hardly worth mentioning.  One such example comes from verse 3 (as paired with pic 11 for Boston) which has the word Coliseum, which could be a New Orleans hint to Coliseum Square Park where I’ve recently posed a theory for being that casque’s location.

I think you are confusing things (from what I had meant, anyways).
The verse/image link would be a line in the verse which is identifiable
in the image
, not the location.
fence and fixture – in the picture (also, a location)
seek the columns – in the picture (also, a location)
land near the window – in the picture (also, a location)
coliseum would
not
be a link to image 11 because there is no coluseum in the image.
One idea I have been checking out, and related to this, is that only four images have a clock in them:
image 1 – 6 o’clock
image 2 – 4 o’clock
image 7 – 3 o’clock
image 12 – 11 o’clock
…and few verses speak of time:
verse 3 – “twelfth hour”
verse 8 – “at a distance in time”
verse 10 – “take twice as many east steps as the hour”
anymore i’m missing? i want to believe there is a connection.

I’m working on a general theory (no pun intended) that one line per verse is designed to pair with a picture unrelated to that verses intended location.  Of course I’m going on flimsy evidence, so its hardly worth mentioning.  One such example comes from verse 3 (as paired with pic 11 for Boston) which has the word Coliseum, which could be a New Orleans hint to Coliseum Square Park where I’ve recently posed a theory for being that casque’s location.

I’m working on a general theory (no pun intended) that one line per verse is designed to pair with a picture unrelated to that verses intended location.  Of course I’m going on flimsy evidence, so its hardly worth mentioning.  One such example comes from verse 3 (as paired with pic 11 for Boston) which has the word Coliseum, which could be a
New
Orleans
hint to Coliseum Square Park where I’ve recently posed a theory for being that casque’s location.

I agree with that statement, WR.

I don’t know, I’m not convinced.

Just looking at those enlarged pictures, the dog leg looks more like a hoofed leg to me.
Chris.

ok, here’s something to throw out…
go to:
http://www.cityofmemphis.org/
the top left symbol. doesn’t it look alittle like it?
I was looking into Memphis because of the music note.
It reminded me the gate at graceland.

Fenix

When BP or Kelly buried the casque it would have probably been in the Spring of 1982.

Based on the lead time to get a book to press in 1982, and assuming the casques were in the ground by the finalization of the verses.
The last casque would have been buried Fall/Winter of 1981…

Fenix, I see what your are saying but that doesn’t change my vision of the Olympic Stadium as a symbol for the flower.
The center of the opening of the roof was a big deal when I was a kid because all that was being bragged about was how Montreal was going to have the first and largest, bestest, greatest retractable stadium roof in the world. It could be opened on hot days and closed during the cold months to protect the fans and players from the Canadian weather. The models were on Television and in print magazines/newspapers promoting the upcoming games and the top-notch facilities that the players were going to have access to.
So basically, what I’m saying is everything you stated about the big O is true but in my mind it is still the flower tied into the PX7 Box, The Olympic Village, The Oval Esplanade, Shape of the Monk’s Nose and Fingers. These things scream Olympic Park to me.

do you guys not look at anything i do? lol

Hows this for a possibility for the lego thing.
knowing BP has demonstrated a liking for fountains.
– at least 3 fountains involved in cleveland
– arieal view of grant park fountain dangling from ear
what if on the lego thing, the curved lines represent water.
(so lets erase them)
then the lower shapes become a split stairway leading to the fountain…
let me know if I’m reaching here.

Sorry this is the first time I am trying to imbed a picture
let me try again.
if it doesn’t work the picture is at:
http://www.papermodeler.com/images/legos.jpg

there – thats better
now the question is does anyone recognize this fountain?

Thanks, Fox.
Well, here is my present theory, matching this pic with verse 2 for a St. Louis treasure.  I will post the other side of the theory in the verse 2 thread.
I poked around at the park and researched in the library of the Art Museum.  Some of the following is gleaned from the input of others on this thread (and a hardy thanks).
–gnome: Vandeventer (Dutch) Place structure, which is U-shaped like his long eye-wrinkles with a nose-opening in the middle.  The structure is split by a doorway in the middle.  It was backdrop for a rose garden, part of the Jewel Box garden.
–mouth: half smile, half frown; comedy and tragedy (nearby Muny opera).
–musical note on flower (the Muny, again); this symbol is debatable as a number (90, 67, 76, 767) or other symbol.
–the Purina checkers and Jewel Box tiers have been noted by cswblake.
–one of the runes in the X box has been connected with water, and there are a pool and fountain in the Jewel gardens.
–dog/gazelle’s head and hoof: could be the gazelle/Zoo (cswblake) or a dog’s head and horse’s hoof (Dogtown is the closest neighborhood, where dogs chased the horses to keep them moving, and there is also the World’s Fair connection when it was rumored that the dogs were being eaten by a tribe on display).  There seems to be an upside-down arch on the dog/gazelle’s face.
–base of gnome’s collar: upside-down arch
–his nose and mouth upside-down=an elephant=zoo
–right (his rt.) curl in hair contains a 39, and St. Louis’s lat is closer to 39.  Or, there seems to be a 7 or 17
–hat checkers on his left: substitution of a gold square for a black square seems to make a cross (Apotheosis of St. Louis sculpture or is this a far reach?).
–folds at top of hat on his left: part of it could be an outline of St. Louis on the Mississippi, but that is a big reach.  Perhaps the shirt and collar may say more about this, but I can’t see anything.
–hands, fingers pointing: one points to #s in hair on his left, one points to dog/gazelle box.  The left hand does look like one of the hands of a woman gymnast on the Jahn sculpture, which is not very close to the Jewel Box gardens.
–sandy-colored background: sand used to make glass, the main component of the Jewel Box (OK, a big reach).
Qs: the musical note could be a combined 90, the STL long.
Could the X mean more than the month? An hourglass? (see verse 2 thread) And, by golly, what the heck is that “thing”??!!  It has some squared edges and some rounded ones.
The arch-mark on the dog/gazelle’s face could be a 5 when the pic is sideways (clockwise).
Gnomes hairline has J9 (or upside-down, a 6P); big 9 or 6, 73, another 9, a K.  (????)
Well, scrutiny is needed and more details.  The central gates on the Vandeventer Place structure were moved in 1985 to Cochran’s hospital (formerly a vet’s hospital) and I’d like to take a look at them.  I would also like another look inside the Jewel Box itself.  There is some kind of chime structure in there, possibly donated in 76.
So, I’m not reaching for the shovel yet, even though much may be clarified by verse 2 (assuming this is the correct verse-pic match.
–Johann

Thanks, rob.  I will hunt around with this in mind.  Perhaps I need to shift my perspective in order to see the “thing.”
–Johann

Bringing this back, since I discovered a new photo from 1967.  The lines seem to indicate a better similarity although it looks very off as a comparison.  A chunk has been taken out to make it more concentric?
The Lumberman’s Arch and plaque, note the plaque was moved from the tree itself to a spot below it’s base,

Bringing this back, since I discovered a
new
photo from 1967.  The lines seem to indicate a better similarity although it looks very off as a comparison.  A chunk has been taken out to make it more concentric?
The Lumberman’s Arch and plaque, note the plaque was moved from the tree itself to a spot below it’s base,

If you ever need me to go somewhere on foot, let me know.  I’ve been up and down, back and forth through this city so many times that I’m dizzy.

Johann,
I’m in Rosebud, Missouri. If I can get time I’m going to look into Lafayette Park a little. On the street map Missouri and Mississippi “meet” at the park. Also reference to “fays”. I can’t drive in the city and don’t get there very often so I’m at the mercy of the internet even being this close. Good luck!

I’m still stuck in Manhattan on this clue. Manhattan is solid streets and buildings…except for a small park here and there. so… if you consider that the manhattan jewel district is “the place where jewels abound” , going to 21st st, and finding its middle, then counting down 15 rows (streets) takes you to Washington Square Park, about the only “ground” you can get to. It just seems like too strong of a coincidence to ignore. Then theres the 3 standing watch… Garibaldi, washington, and the other guy as statues…the namesakes meeting ( 2 washington statues on the arch), after all, it is his park. just seemed like too many things gelled for me.

adoks53

I’m still stuck in Manhattan on this clue. Manhattan is solid streets and buildings…except for a small park here and there. so… if you consider that the manhattan jewel district is “the place where jewels abound” , going to 21st st, and finding its middle, then counting down 15 rows (streets) takes you to Washington Square Park, about the only “ground” you can get to. It just seems like too strong of a coincidence to ignore. Then theres the 3 standing watch… Garibaldi, washington, and the other guy as statues…the namesakes meeting ( 2 washington statues on the arch), after all, it is his park. just seemed like too many things gelled for me.

go with your theories and see what materializes.

But why “only” three? “Only” makes sense for the lamppost in St. Louis because at one time there was a fourth ornamental lion on it. There are “only” three now.

forest_blight

But why “only” three? “Only” makes sense for the lamppost in St. Louis because at one time there was a fourth ornamental lion on it. There are “only” three now.

only three horses in a race “hit the board” and pay money.
(these are the three to watch)
my current theory at Churchill (out of deducing a location untouched by renovation)
puts one out in the infield directly in front of the payout tote board.
I had been looking at more remote burial spots,
but with the lack of directional clues in this verse,
I am leaning towards a more prominent, can not not see spot.
If one goes to “the place where jewels abound”
and I am deducing that to mean Churchill Downs and jewels being
a description for million dollar horses….
the first floor seating (grandstand/clubhouse) has in the general number
of fiftten rows (from front rail to next level).  I have to cehck this going back to
1981 because the first floor seating has been completely overhaualed.
At this vantage point, looking out upon the infield (past the dirt track and turf course)
one sees the center horse shoe .

this is for F.B. questi0n above… because there are 4 statues there, but “only 3” people represented by them… Washington (on the arch) has 2 images of himself, “the namesakes meeting” near this site.

Trohn– Be careful.  Don’t get arrested digging in the infield.

johann

Trohn– Be careful.  Don’t get arrested digging in the infield.

as can be seen in some posted photos, it was fairly accessible back in the day.
I am looking for a solid solve and then to determine if it is still a valid unadulterated
location
way
before I buy a shovel.
I am attracted to this verse because of all of them, this is the one
that is so meager with its clues.
Bevity is beauty.

Not sure I have seen this discussed before but has anyone incorporated the Roman numeral “X” into their solution? The “74” has been identified as the likely coordinates that match the city. Removing them, that leaves the “X” as a possible clue.

davinci4

Not sure I have seen this discussed before but has anyone incorporated the Roman numeral “X” into their solution? The “74” has been identified as the likely coordinates that match the city. Removing them, that leaves the “X” as a possible clue.

A weird, and totally understandably confusing thing is that the search function on these boards seems remarkably more advanced than the boards themselves. It’s at the top right of my screen. I typed in “Roman Numeral X” and a buncha results popped out (most were just 1-2 words together, but the speed made it easy to scroll through for an exact match. Quotes didn’t work.)
Was glad I did. Some interesting stuff. Thanks for mentioning this.

Yes. I think most just assume it’s part of the ‘month theme.’ Probably so, it just stands out a little here because there seems to otherwise be a lack of possible confirmer images (unlike most of the other paintings where there is much more going on). It is similar in that regard to the Milwaukee image.

Yes.
A graphically simplified representation.

Then, it may very well mean a
graphically simplified representation
of BP giving us the finger.  No, I think it was his way of introducing symbols to the hunt.

Yes, I did step back and reevulate
from a clean slate and I COULD NOT
eliminate this object from any final
answer.  Once this is accepted,
it controls the answer.
There have only been two (three)
objects found, there is nothing to
assert that the puzzles are designed
and solved in identical methods.
In fact, I would argue that he would
devise more than one method for the
overall process.
See picture…. and then look at the book.
After I have relooked at the solved images,
all clues could be ascertained without the
aid of a magnifiying glass or imaging.  One would
just need to turn the book to the proper
orientation and in the proper frame of mind.
Go back and see this image in the book from a distance
of four to five feet.
The proof is only digging it up.

Image of animal leg button
rotated.

First off, FB, brilliant deductions. Second, Trohn, I have
some
doubts about all the casques and methods to finding them, but, I haven’t any proof that they don’t work either.  To be outside the box is the way to go.  Just don’t fall down the rabbit hole with no way out.  But I’m rooting for you.  BTW, your last post, the pic’s to fuzzy to see.
edit: Here’s one of my observations which I had posted some time ago, to go with FB’s deductions somewhat.
http://www.freewebs.com/patcash/image9.htm
click to enlarge

Not to be funny,
but look at your photo,
yes very clear,
but only look INSIDE
THE BOX.
Tron.
p.s. the image even has the
black stirrups under the saddle.

You gotta help me with this. I can’t twist my eyes to see a horse or a saddle, never mind stirrups.  Which way is your horse facing?

forest_blight

(46,114)
Middle of nowhere, Idaho / Montana

There was a guy in my dormitory in law school who was from Middle of Nowhere, Montana.
Very nice work, Forest.  My money is on NYC and 39, 73.  Those numbers in the hair are there for a reason.

Lets see if this works….

Nope! I’m trying to see a horse…..
What I’d like to see is Egbert’s 73.  I see 39.