I see it, yet there is so much more in that section of hair to assume that there is only a 73.  Just below the 73, at the same angle that you posted FB, is a 25, and a few other things that are open to interpretation.

Oh yes, I agree that there are other things in the hair.  We will not know which ones refer to latitude and longitude until the treasure is found.  Some could actually mean nothing — just red herrings.  For example, Image 2 has several numbers in it.  Also, Image 4 has entire years, only the last 2 digits of which were relevant.  Also, the numbers could have other meanings (highway numbers, etc.).

In Image 2 I’ve spotted 32, 33, 79, and 80 in the lion’s mane, which happen to be the four latitudes/longitudes that capture Charleston. In Image 4 I think the 14 is meant to be read backward (41), the 42 foreward, the 18 backward (81) and the 81 forward. 41, 42, and 81 are three of the expected latitudes/longitudes for Cleveland. I can’t explain why 81 is in there twice or why there’s no 82. I believe the backwards-number thing was also used in Image 7.

Trohn – there is thinking outside the box, which I applaud because it can inject new ideas and bring us all closer to a solution. Then there is thinking across the street, down the hill, and five states away from the box, which… well, I’ve done it too so I won’t throw stones. Ya never know.
Let’s play games with numbers.
I revisited the issue of what numbers could potentially be extracted from this image. Keep in mind that not all numbers necessarily represent latitudes and longitudes (e.g., the possible street address in Image 1). But let’s go with it. Bear with me.
The number in the flower could be:
40, 46, 70, 76
The number in the X could be:
47, 74
The numbers in the hair could be:
5, 39, 73
The numbers near the top right could be:
4, 11, 114
(Earlier I said the X number could be 17 or 41, but I don’t think so anymore).
Longitudes that fall within the contiguous 48 states / Canada include (roughly):
67 W, 125 W
25 N, 49 N
…so that rules out 4, 5, and 11 as geographical coordinates, leaving all possible combinations of 39, 40, 46, 47, 70, 73, 74, 76, 114.
39 N
40 N
46 N
47 N
70 W
73 W
74 W
76 W
114 W
All 20 possible coordinate pairs are:
(39,70) (39,73) (39,74) (39,76) (39,114)
(40,70) (40,73) (40,74) (40,76) (40,114)
(46,70) (46,73) (46,74) (46,76) (46,114)
(47,70) (47,73) (47,74) (47,76) (47,114)
Some quadrants can be eliminated as falling squarely in the ocean, leaving:
(39,74) (39,76) (39,114)
(40,73) (40,74) (40,76) (40,114)
(46,70) (46,73) (46,74) (46,76) (46,114)
(47,70) (47,73) (47,74) (47,76) (47,114)
More can be eliminated because the same glyph can’t represent two different latitudes/longitudes at once:
(39,74) (39,76) (39,114)
(40,73) (40,74)         (40,114)
(46,73) (46,74)         (46,114)
(47,70) (47,73)         (47,76) (47,114)
Judging by locations we’ve managed to identify with high confidence in other images, the latitudes and longitudes are not exact; rather, they form boundaries for quadrants. Thus, “46” without any other information could signify anything between 45 N and 47 N, etc. So
without any other information
, each coordinate pair could signify something in a 4-quadrant area. (39,70), for example, could represent a location within the square formed by (38,69), (38,71), (40,69), and (40,71). Given these “rules,” the remaining quadrants refer to these areas:
(39,74)
Southern NJ, Atlantic City
(39,76)
Baltimore, Philadelphia, part of Washington DC, the entire state of Delaware
(39,114)
Middle of nowhere, Utah / Nevada
(40,73)
New York City, Long Island
(40,74)
New York City, Long Island, most of New Jersey
(40,114)
Middle of nowhere, Utah / Nevada
(46,73)
Montreal
(46,74)
Montreal
(46,114)
Middle of nowhere, Idaho / Montana
(47,70)
Northern Maine,
maybe
a corner of Quebec City
(47,73)
Middle of nowhere, Quebec
(47,76)
Middle of nowhere, Quebec
(47,114)
Middle of nowhere, Idaho / Montana
Removing the “Middle of nowhere” areas leaves:
(39,74)
Southern NJ, Atlantic City
(39,76)
Baltimore, Philadelphia, part of Washington DC, the entire state of Delaware
(40,73)
New York City, Long Island
(40,74)
New York City, Long Island, most of New Jersey
(46,73)
Montreal
(46,74)
Montreal
(47,70)
Northern Maine,
maybe
a corner of Quebec City
Something to chew on. We might also note the absence of Kentucky from this list. Something else to remember is that this is the Dutch image. We’d need to find
some
connection between the Dutch and our casque’s location. NYC fits (old New York was once New Amsterdam; why they changed it, I can’t say), but what about Baltimore, Philadelphia, Montreal, and Quebec?

(sigh)
There have been eleven horses to win the Triple Crown.
This has been the same as in 1982.
Seattle Slew won it in 1977. (see ‘X’ button)
Secretariat won it in 1973.
They happened to stay in the same barn in
Churchill Downs.
Secretariat did not have a French jockey.

And it just happened to be twenty five years
between triple crowns before Secretariat.
(Citation 1948)
I do not know where he stayed during
Derby week.

OK, so img9 has no definite long and lats.  We will find them when we find what Trohn’s horse is (big stretch right now), the square with the p and 7 (?) in it, the flower, design of clothes, along with the collar and neck line.  Really, for the most part,except trohn’s work, the rest of us are at square one.  FB, to pick your brain a little, the square w/the P and 7, looks to me like an intersection.  Main highway crossed with a residential or rural road.  P=parkway  7=exit #.  Maybe?

Unknown

Unknown:
FB, to pick your brain a little, the square w/the P and 7, looks to me like an intersection.  Main highway crossed with a residential or rural road.  P=parkway  7=exit #.  Maybe?

It is the Roman numeral “X” for October (the calendula and opal go with this theme as well). Honestly, I think that is the only significance of the X shape. The P and 7 I think are a 7 and a backwards 4, although the 4 could be (as you say) a P. I think there is nothing else of significance in that square.
Now for the square below it. I think the horse idea is just plain incorrect. I’ve turned it around, squinted, etc. and it just doesn’t look anything like a horse or jockey to me. Sorry, it just doesn’t. I firmly believe this is another rebus like the “Mill + Walk + Key” one, and that we just haven’t hit upon the correct answer yet. One of these days, we will.

And the photo of Jean?

I also fail to see the resemblance between Jean Cruguet and our gnome.

Meaningless, maybe, but there is a symbol for the X inside a square.
http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/27/275.html
This is the reason I began thinking “intersection”.  The symbol means STATION.  Although the context of that page refers to station as meaning
stanading still
, with the thicker line of the x crossing the thinner line, it occurred to me that it could possibly be an intersection like I described above. This may be the clue for a street name for this puzzle. The site also indicates that the symbol could be used for time,
month
to be more specific, with, like you said, the x meaning October.

OR A BARN DOOR!!
(as I have held secret)

I like this image as the way I use it
for simultaneous purposes:
but note that besides the top and bottom lines,
the middle section is of two different colors one white
and one black.  a forward 7 and a backward 7.
similar to:

Unknown

Unknown:
But when I cut and paste the quote out of my email into this board, this is what happens:
“after 22 Years all I can say is l

I’d like to bring up a quote from Wilhouse from May 04′. Edit: from the “Huge Discovery” thread.
I was reading up on things about BP and found this thread.  This is another symbol used by BP, like I think he used it in most of the images.  Again, think outside the box when reading this.
http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/10/101.html
“When placed between other signs, (symbol) has a demarcating and dividing meaning. In logic, A and B can mean either A or B, not both.”
Since he posted nothing on either side of this symbol in his email to you Wilhouse, maybe he was saying, the verse and pic are indeed
one
, unity.
This maybe his way of telling us about the use of symbols.

Yes,
for the Houston Zoo solve,
that is a totem pole.

What is a totem pole, the symbol?

Unknown

Unknown:
I suppose there is a third now, who thinks they solved multiple puzzles in a week.

If you are talking about Josh, I think he is just a subset of your first group. An extreme outlier perhaps, but sincere in his desire to see these things solved and doing the best he can to try and make that happen. Given the extreme amount of ridicule, animus and outright hostility directed his way, I seriously doubt that he is in it for fame, fifteen minutes, or profit. That’s someone else.

Unknown

Unknown:
I don’t mind Josh and would agree with you on where he falls.

My apologies.

Here is my dig spot for Montreal:
http://parcolympique.qc.ca/wp-content/u … lanade.png
Go to where the walkway of section 200 meets the tip of the teardrop of section 100. This will put you South:
Beneath the only standing
Member of a Forest
– The partially built tower over Olympic Stadium
To the south
– South of The Tower and Olympic Stadium
White stone closest
– You will be closest to the white Olympic Rings stonewall
At twelve paces
– Follow the 12 stone sections on the curved teardrop wall
From the west side
– you will be to the West of the Section 200 walkway
Get permission
To dig out
. – You’re going to need it in this park
Up against the 12th stone section of the teardrop wall of section 100 is my dig spot.

WhiteRabbit

If it
was
at the MSC, then Wilhouse beat us to it.

it most definitely was not at the george stephen house LMAO
wil…who?

davinci4

Not sure I have seen this discussed before but has anyone incorporated the Roman numeral “X” into their solution? The “74” has been identified as the likely coordinates that match the city. Removing them, that leaves the “X” as a possible clue.

yes. i did. the x is representative of the number 10, 10 pm and October. Telling us we should do the puzzle in October at 10 pm. This is confirmed by the clue relating to the “Arc of lights” which will only be lit up at night.

Unknown

Unknown:
*crickets*

Why are you surprised? Why is anyone surprised? The next time that someone comes onto the forum saying they have solved a puzzle and are going to dig it up, and then actually digs it up will be the first time this has happened in almost 14 years.

FFS Josh, now you’re back then change your username already. Please. I just don’t want to keep seeing your anus every time I look at this forum from now on.

Fenix

JMdemster didn’t seem quite as arrogant as some. Based on what he told me, he was getting a lot of joy out of the hunt with his family. My guess is he was excited and wanted to share it. He was able to convince whoever he needed to grant permission to dig which is an accomplishment in itself. Especially since he was in the wrong country!

My issue was that he called out people for jumping dig sites without providing any evidence. That undermines the trust this board has worked so hard to build, which hurts our ability to groupthink. Plus, it’s kinda paranoid to not provide any part of a solve.

Can I get a list of the people with trustworthy status?

erexere

Can I get a list of the people with trustworthy status?

Anyone? Anyone…?

Unknown

Unknown:
Can I get a list of the people with trustworthy status?

FWIW, I have never shared anything someone on this forum has told me in confidence with anyone else, without their express permission. I will patiently await an upgrade to my status.

Im currently at a dead end.  My pop oddly enough went and used dowsing rods near the Vandeventor Gate site and said he got 3 hits that he thinks i should check out.  Has it really come to this?  Yes, yes I believe it has.

actually, my sister lives in houston and my dad flys down there multiple times a year.  I will take a look at that puzzle more closely and see what to make out and where to send him

The jewel in the hat = crown.
Also, keep in mind, the overall theme
to this image is a portrait or head shot.

Fox-
Not that I don’t like a good debate,
so..
how do the checkered boards link to Boston?

Trohn

The jewel in the hat = crown.

Couldnt have said it better trohn.  What lead to the revolution…..crazy old King George III
i chose this photo because he is older and as he aged he fattened up.  also, look at his collar.  King George III was always lampooned in the papers and this may (note the use of may) be a caricature
ie..
caricature – defined as: A representation, especially pictorial or literary, in which the subject’s distinctive features or peculiarities are deliberately exaggerated to produce a comic or grotesque effect.
As i stated before tho, I am not by any means saying this is a definite…just more fodder.  Still swaying between this and P3 being our Boston. (adding a nice tie in to George III on P3 thread when I’m done here  hehehehehe
)

“Shovel, shovel, shovel”
Has to be around here somewhere….
such a small world.

How about this possibility?  Trinity Church in Copely Square:

to go along with the checkerboard pattern of the church in Copley Square….check out the roofline of the red bldg (2nd one down at URL)
http://www.mit.edu/~georg/web_photos/copley/

I think you are digging…
and in not the way that moves dirt…
This image is the most simple of all of them.
I agree he is dressed like a king – in silk.
I agree he is sitting for a portrait – head shot.
I do not see the connection to Paul Revere’s ride,
but glad to see you see a horse.

Thought I would bump good old P9 up for other ideas:
So, what does this P have?  An odd looking man in a strange collar, a possible “76” in the flower, an odd horse/goat/? head and hoofed foot, hands in the shape of what many have called a church’s steeple. So…
Why can’t this P go w/ our Boston V?
– collar similar to those worn in the 1700’s
– 76 as in 1776
– horse & hoof for the Midnight Ride
– steeple famous for the hanging of the lanterns
for a huge stretch…. getting back to the horse’s head.  I always thought that the whole head looked odd, especially the ears.  What if an important image of the area was incorporated into the head?  Something like this…
just some more food for thought…….

Hi Delilah84, welcome,
I’m not a big fan of Montreal as many have proposed, because the book describes how the Fair Folk first got settled in the new world but when the first white settlers arrived many Fair Folk migrated once again to new areas. I believe there are Montreal clues, just like there are New York or Florida clues, but those are just indicators of the first settlments.
I could be wrong, so I’m still interested in finding more clues in Montreal like the infamous “legeater” at the Mt. Stephens Club. I’m curious if you might come across any large tree stump features like this one, which I think looks something like the flower like shape on the mans robe.

Hi, I’m actually in Montreal and will be until October. I’d love to meet someone interested in going through the Montreal path for this treasure. Or just let me know if you want me to go somewhere to collect picture or exploring places. Bye!

Hi everyone, (I’m french speaking, mostly, sorry for the bad english)
I learned about this quest last week, been really hook about it since. I’m living in Montreal and ready to explore a few things during my free times if any path to explore seems “credible”. Just let me know.
With all the clues in the image pointing to Montreal, I took some time on my own this weekend to explore a few clues that can be found in verse 5. In the 70s and 80s, Parc Jean-Drapeau and Ile Ste-Helen was one of the cool place to visit in Montreal. With Expo67 a few years before and everything. So i’m confident that the casque is hidden on Ile Ste-Helene.
Anybody ever heard about Tour de Lévis ? An old water tower on this island…
Lane
Two twenty two
(the address, or at least old address of Tour de Lévis is 220, chemin du Tour-de-l’Isle…)
You’ll see an arc of lights
(From the top of it, you can see the whole city of Montreal. Maybe this ? Or the rotating light on top of Place Ville-Marie that can be seen from almost anywhere even miles away from the city.)
Weight and roots extended
Together saved the site
Of granite walls
(the tower is made of granit. Information about the tower here;
http://patrimoine.ville.montreal.qc.ca/patri_municipal/fiche_bat.php?batiment=oui&requete=simple&id_bat=9999-24-0025-01
)
Wind swept halls
Citadel in the night
(The tower is part of an old fort, with a citadel :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_de_l%27%C3%8Ele_Sainte-H%C3%A9l%C3%A8ne
)
A wingless bird ascended
Born of ancient dreams of flight
Beneath the only standing member
Of a forest
Only standing member of a forest ? Look at the tower from far away, looks like the only standing member in a forest to me !
To the south
White stone closest
At twelve paces
From the west side
Get permission
To dig out.
Anyway, just a theory. But i’m planning on going for a walk around it this weekend. I’ll take some photos !

Sounds interesting, good luck with it.
I don’t think the tower resembles the “only standing member of a forest”, but it’s also an odd way to describe a tree, so I think the jury’s still out on that line.
It’s curious how several of the verses sound as if they might be describing a tree; sometimes in a slightly ambiguous way, but real trees featured in the locations of both the solved casques. Maybe the whole puzzle was based around trees.
“Socrates, Pindar, Apelles / Free speech, couplet, birch”
(According to Eg, “Birch referred to a birch tree that had been there.”)
“The end of ten by thirteen / Is your clue”
(Apparently rows of trees.)
“Walk 100 paces / Southeast over rock and soil / To the first young birch”
“Behind bending branches / And a green picket fence / At the base of a tall tree”
“What we take to be / Our strongest tower of delight / Falls gently”
(The original goes: “What we take to be our strongest tower of delight, only stands at the caprice of the minutest event — the falling of a leaf”)
“Beside the long palm’s shadow”
“From the middle of one branch / Of the v / Look down / And see simple roots”

A brief follow-up to my April 11 post about the lamppost. I’ve sent out a couple dozen interlibrary loan requests. It seems that three libraries have copies of 19th century J. W. Fiske catalogs: The Library of Congress, Winterthur Museum (Winterthur, DE), and the Athenaeum (Philadelphia, PA). If anyone lives in or near Philadelphia, it may pay to visit the Athenaeum and see the 18 Fiske catalogs they have for library use only. It’s possible our lamp base can be found in one of them, and possible that they won’t be found on a lamp but on something else, like an urn, a candelabrum, or furniture. That would open up all sorts of possibilities.
Anyway, one of the decorative lighting experts I contacted gave me a tip and I pursued it, a book by Franz Sales Meyer entitled
Handbook of Ornament
(1888/1892). On Plate 135 is this picture:
…which appears to be some strange animal eating a clawed leg. This is a candelabrum base. The caption reads “Legs from antique candelabra; the former [above] found in the ruins of Paestum; the other in the Museum, Naples.” Paestum was an ancient Greek/Roman city in Southern Italy, so this motif goes back
way
before the Renaissance, which is when I thought it originated.
The text on candelabra feet reads:
“To afford the necessary steadiness, the base of the Candelabrum is planned on a comparatively large scale, and divided into three legs, which stretch-out, towards the points of an equilateral triangle. For the foot, the claw of an animal, and in particular the claw of the Lion, is used. Not infrequently the claws rest on balls or discs (Plate 135. 6). The transition to the shaft is designed with a double calix, the upper leaves of which rise and encircle the shaft, and the lower leaves descend and mask the junction of the three legs (Plate 135. 1 and 5). A delicate anthemion may be perceived between each pair of feet on richer examples (Plate 135. 2 and 3).
In exceptional cases the leg appears to grow from the mouth of an animal (Plate 135. 6)
. Occasionally a circular, profiled and decorated disc is used instead of the double calyx and anthemion. Sometimes, too, the shaft is prolonged downwards beneath the disc in the form of a knob, but does not touch the ground.”

Look at the image catherwood posted for Verse 11:
http://www.elizabethangardens.org/garde … .aspx?id=1
The brickwork near the roof looks exactly like the checkerboard pattern on the shirt!

I was searching for numbers on this image last night and the 2 that stood out the most was a 77 in his hair on the left side (our left) and the 39 that lacoperon mentioned on his brow. That would lead to Wash DC or possibly Baltimore using the fox theory (can we make that the fox law yet?).

getting back to the “musical note”…is that what that is?  take a look at Howard Stern’s tattoo:  http://www.vanishingtattoo.com/tattoo/celeb-stern.htmlooks a lot like our symbol, but what is it?
It also looks like a 76.  Now, 76 may (or may not…may be a stretch) come in quite handy in matching this P w/ our Wright Bros P.  Take a look at the checkerboard pattern on the front of the the shirt.  It looks similar (not exact) to:
http://www.webelements.com/if
my memories serves me, the shirt pattern & the per table (as usually represented) have the same # of columns and rows.  I believe the left finger is pointing to a specific element which is also represented by 76. ….. Osmium – atomic #76 – symbol OS (pronounced oz)  Still trying to find a pic of Smithson Tenant (the discoverer)…wondering if he is a big nosed, pudgy faced gent represented in the P.
now, could the “dogleg” & “X” represent other elements…..

Hmmm.  I see the strands of hair, but I don’t see the numbers that you people are getting.  On our right, it definitely looks like the number 73 sticking out.  That’s on the east coast — I’ll have to dig my chart out to see if it goes through our North Carolina site.
I see a 9 or an upside-down 6 on the left side of his forehead, and I see something which looks like a J next to it.  But I don’t see any other numbers.

“Hands” Christian Andersen??

There are so many things to reply to, it would be easier for anyone to check out my latest reply on the verse 6 thread.
I know the park well.  If you come this way again, you may want to let me know, Dan, and a team effort may prove fruitful.  If we come up with nothing, I can still show you some cool stuff in this town (nothing illegal, don’t worry).  But that is your choice.
I have thought about the Dogtown idea, and a friend of mine has pointed out 3 “arch” shapes: the fingers, the neck of his white shirt upside-down, and his nose upside-down.
This can be said to be a reach, but a clear arch would be too obvious.
St. Louis (far from Forest Park) also has a “Dutchtown” and the opal is from the Lowland Gnomes.
Actually, Dogtown is connected to the World’s Fair.  It was rumored that the imported Pygmy tribe was stealing dogs from that neighborhood for food.  Crazy rumor.  But, the neighborhood got its name.  (Maybe someone in the neighborhood was eating the dogs.)
Thanks for the info everyone!!!
–Johann

Sorry for not getting back to you, FB.  I lost a good friend in a motorcycle accident last week.
I’m reading all the posts, just toning it down a little.  I’ll be back soon.

I’m sorry for your loss, Boogie

that “thing” under the animal’s nose has always bugged me as stated in previous posts.  I just cant figure out what the heck it is.  I think once we figure out what it is, we will be well on our way to finding this casque.

Wilhouse and neVar–
Thanks much.  (Though I was not able to see the neg scan.)
I can’t make anything of all this yet, but I will try to process it.  You have a good point, fox.  What the heck is that thing?
–Johann

Thanks for the ideas. Please keep them coming on this one, especially anything you may find in the high res.  Anything in the lower left of the hair (left as we look at the pic)?
–Johann

Ok Johann – the leg is NOT a kangaroo. It is a cloven hoof, deer, goat, something like that. The head looks like a goat or antelope or something.
There is definately a half note in the flower.
If you check out the negative image I posted, you can see some of this clearly.
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/arm … ing/files/
In the hair on the left side is an 8, I think that was pointed out before. But the insignia on the jacket looks like a semiphore signal. there is a flag on the left side.
wilhouse

At 300 dpi still, the resolution is not good enough for some filtering. I’ll try again when my book comes in… although the downloadable pictures are not bad – and thanks to he that provided those for us.
Lower left of her (his) hair:
X – box symbol (and reversed under blue line) – seems to be a “4” and / or a “7” perhaps?
Dog leg and CAR?

Who here thinks the background hides the word “Peel”? I don’t…but I’ve been thinking about the sport of curling, popular in the Scottish highlands and the European lowlands. The glossary of terms for curling have the following:
Peel: A takeout that removes a stone from play as well as the delivered stone. These are usually intentional, such as for blanking an end.
Peel weight: A stone delivered with a heavy takeout weight.

Mr. Seabass, keep trying and eventually you might accomplish some form of actual communication.
Its been discussed that the “Peel” is a reference to a street name in Montreal. I’m wondering if the word might have a culturally specific appication. Opal is the Lowland Gnomes jewel, so it might be worth considering something based on ice skating or curling.
The legeater lamp has also been much discussed. Its a great find. The purpose of the lamp leg is still up to debate. I wonder if the leg bone of an animal as historically used to make ice skates could be applicable.

Hate to say this, really, but there is a painting of Edwin Forrest at the Smithsonian.  Hope it aint it. It’s from him portraying “Shylock”.
http://www.npg.si.edu/exh/brady/gallery/34gal.html
Hey, think the collar on the Shylock in p9 resembles something that George Washington may have worn.  Looks familiar but can’t find anything on it.

Research about the history of the Montreal Chess Club is inconclusive.  Any significant history could only point to Chessmaster Henry Bird who visited there for a simul exhibition…but it really doesnt land on any specific location.  Bust on that idea i guess.
The St. Denis idea has more promise, it points to three things, the Notre Dame Church, the street name, and a music hall/theater.
Has anyone come across a building named ‘FAIRYLAND’?  Not much is known about it…all i could glean is it was a theater in 1908.
The facade of the Corona Theater has little block features shaped like a + sign, similar to the pixel block shape next to the dog legeater.  The window work above is shaped like the [X] box symbol above the eater.
I wonder if the legeater / drummond is possibly a ‘drumstick’ reference.  Synthesis gives us a ‘bird’ reference.  Ack, i thought i was done with the chess idea… If Bird is even remotely the gist of this puzzle, all I could see as useful is the fact that the Bird’s Opening is f4 or Pawn to King’s Bishop four…wow, there’s a wacky way to get ‘bishop’ out of this.  The notion is supported by the diagonal motif.  What if we are in a strictly diagonal or stair’step route for a long on foot walk that will literally eat your legs…like a nice 2 miler uphill…anyone familiar with Montreal enough to see where to go from here?

Has anyone figured out Blob?
I Think I saw it earlier, but I cat remember which building I was looking at.  It was a clover behind a shape, I wasn’t looking specifically for the blob, so it’s just a ghost version in my recall.  Tired now, so I’ll have another go at retracing my steps tomorrow.  Or maybe someone already knows.  hmm…not on Drummond.

my personal take is it is the walls and steps and planters behind the legeater.
it also could be the modular housing experiment that was installed for expo67
There was a fountain in St Louis that was a good match…
or it could be something not yet found or no longer existing

I think this couldve been discovered early on in this hunt. A good start to finding the right resource material to support further investigations,

erexere

This sculpture offers too much to be disregarded.

Without a legeater in vancouver, your case is out and out weak,
and The sculpture is similar to the arch in Pic 11,  It’s exact and I mean exact match was found in Boston
They lined up perfectly with lines and breaks.  Except the arch was built years after the book came out.
I think your frame is like that.  Too many of your vancouver clues are “similar” or this object leads to a clue that…
Thats not the way it worked in the found casques.
however, find a legeater or a casque in vancouver and I will believe.

About Boston, do you agree that the verse has anything to do with the Midnight Ride poem?  What do you have to say about the proposed “2C” site across the street from the Sommerset building?  I thought the mention of the Sommerset Warship in the poem makes an interesting case for looking into methods that involve a deeper understanding of the elements.  Chicago and Cleveland were detached from that sort of strategy.

Double Life Theory: P9 V10
Stanley Park Map Ideas
This deserves some serious consideration. I call it the Double Life Theory for it’s relevance to the poet Pauline Johnson, aka Tekahionwake (translates to mean “double-life”). Her mother was English and her father was Dutch-Mohawk. She was born in Brantford, Ontario and her grave is the only established grave site in Stanley Park, Vancouver B.C. There are many great books and about 100 poems by her. A mix of considerations bring some connection to this idea of “double-life”.
1) Hans Christian Anderson’s tale of the Little Mermaid is about the youngest daughter of the Sea-King who seeks to live a double life. A powerful “draught” tranforms her tail into a pair of legs so she can be as a human on land and meet a young prince. The first sentence of the story talks about measuring the depth of the ocean by stacking church steeples. P9 shows a man making steeples with his hands and IMHO is a caricature of Hans Christian Anderson.
2) The first line of V10 is also the same title as a poem by Pauline Johnson. She writes often about shadows in Legends of Vancouver and talks about Native gods/chiefs that were transformed into large distinctive rocks formations. There is Homolsom rock at Point Grey and Siwash Rock at Ferguson Point. Siwash looks very similar to the outline of the collar in P9 which also has features similar to the map of Montreal.
3) “Double” jumps are used in the game of checkers. V10 tells us to go twice as many steps as the hour to see simple roots. There is a landmark named “9 o’clock”. See map. It looks like a doubling of the distance from the 9 o’clock Gun to a spot just outside of Brockton’s Cricket Oval will take you to the Giant Checkerboards. Checkerboards are made of squares. “Square-roots” are the lowest order or simplest root in math.
When you look at the map link I’ve provided, there are some shockingly intense riddles.
“Or gaze north to the isle of B.”
Based on the legeater lamp, having three legs, I was tempted to consider the three legged symbol for Isle of Man. The captial of Isle of Man is Douglas, thus the last line gives us the name of Douglas B. and with a lot of luck, someone can learn from some archive that Douglas Brown commisioned the “Girl in Wetsuit” to mimic the Mermaid of Copenhagen. I find it absolutely compelling that the Isle of Man is considered to be named for Manannan Mac Lir, the King/Son of the Sea. This looks like as good as it gets to work with the Little Mermaid motif.
“You’ll often hear a whirring sound”
I think this fits just fine with a word definition where whirring means a repetitive, low, continuous sound when you consider the Brockton Oval is a large cricket playing field. I think the jewel position adjacent to the oval shaped caricature of Hans Christian Anderson.
I’m still very puzzled by how to interpret things in a linear fashion. I’m unsure if we’re being told to dig near the checkerboards or near a spot where you look north at the Girl in Wetsuit sculpture. I don’t know what the “middle of one of the branches of the v” points us towards. I’m still overwhelmed by more questions than answers. I don’t see myself traveling to Vancouver anytime soon. I’d like to see some feet on the ground if anyone knows anyone local.

wb bigmattyh, we need you
are you there in montreal?
( i know it doesn’t help), the musical note numbers could also be “40”, 4 at the top and 0 at the bottom , and also beside your “73” in the hair i can see “45”.
your post had me looking here again and because of the whole rembrandt look of the picture, i found rembrandt did a picture of “st. joseph’s dream”, and there is a st. joseph’s oratory right there at mount royal park……
so far, i’ve found this “way of the cross, fountain of redemption” picture” with a lamb (cloven hooves, lol), ‘tho i know we already have the lamp post at the st. stephen club.
still, the reference to rembrandt in this picture is overwhelming to me.
http://flickr.com/photos/flyingkumquat/212691346/
“way of the cross”………..the crossed fingers, and of course the big cross at mount royal
thinking of verse 10 with this, because of the “grey” spelling………..”him of hard word in 3 volumes could be frederick law olmsted:
http://books.google.com/books?id=1GcEAA … &ct=result
found these pictures, look at the hat on jacques cartier, does it look like the hat on our guy?
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/p/m/3a8e6d/
“St. Joseph’s Dream”
http://www.abcgallery.com/R/rembrandt/rembrandt167.html
st. joseph’s oratory is “45”  “73”………….the numbers i see in the hair, but i don’t know if those plaques are close to it

Okay, I’m coming back out of the shadows.  I thought I could stay away.  I couldn’t.
A Case for Why This Image Is One City and Not the Other
Or, Let’s Look at the Latitudes and Longitudes and See If We Can Make Any Coherent Sense of Them.
It’s long been established that longitudes and latitudes are baked into the pictures to give the reader clues about which city the image corresponds to.  I’d like to point out a couple of points, though, that are probably important to keep in mind.  Just to be totally on solid ground here, I’ll point out the examples of the confirmed solves:
Cleveland:
* Real lat/long: 41°28′56″N 81°40′11″W
* The numbers 1442 and 1881 are large and obvious.
Chicago:
* Real lat/long: 41°52′55″N 87°37′40″W
* The collar has an 88
* The sails of the windmill have a 41 and an 87.
A couple of points:
1. The coordinates describe a bounding box, forming a square around the city with a combination of latitudes and longitudes.
2. Sometimes the digits have to be flipped.  (For example, 1442 becomes 14, 42 — which becomes 41, 42.)
Not too controversial stuff here.
But notice something too — BP doesn’t always have to give all four sides of the bounding box.  Just three.  Three is the minimum you’d need to zero in on any particular city.  So for Cleveland, we have 1442 and 1881, which becomes 41, 42 and 81, forming a box around its coordinates.  For Chicago, we have 41, 87, and 88, forming a box around its coordinates.
We use this to confirm other images.  For example, in image 7, we have around the corners of the clock face, 19, 29, 90.  Flip the 19 to make it a 91, and you have 29, 90, 91.  That bounds New Orleans pretty well.
Maybe we can do the same for this picture and get a little more confident as to whether this image is St. Louis or Montreal or some other city.
Okay, so let’s start from scratch and see what numbers we have in this picture. Can we make out a clear bounding box?
A few possibilities:
The weird hair curl: 73 or 37
This flower symbol: 46 or 64
Another interpretation: 67 or 76
Another: 57 or 75
This could be 47 or 74.  Also maybe 41, 14, or 91, 19.
Are there others?  Hard to tell.  But you can make a pretty solid case for any of these.
We’ve got — in numerical order — 14, 19, 37, 41, 46, 47, 57, 64, 67, 73, 74, 75, 76, 91.  Of these, we can form pairs with: 46-47, 73-74, 74-75, 75-76.  The singles are 14, 19, 37, 41, 57, 64, 67, 91.  Of course any of the pairs could be singles too.
As long as we have a pair and a single, we have enough to form a bounding box.
This is a lot of combinations.  But I do think it can help us eliminate some possibilities.
St. Louis: 38°37′38″N 90°11′52″W
Bounding box: 38, 39, 90, 91.
Of all those numbers, I can only find 91.
Montreal: 45°30′N 73°40′W
Bounding box: 45, 46, 73, 74
We have 46, 73 and 74 clearly
in the image
.
Of course it could be some other third city as well.  But I think if it’s between St. Louis and Montreal, the numbers in the image
do
support Montreal, but they
do not
support St. Louis.
Hope this is helpful and/or constructive.

well i found jacques cartier monument:
http://www.dcmemorials.com/index_indivAllPix0008331.htm
luckily the jewel (in image 9) isn’t right beside the dents in the hat
couple more photos i thought were interesting:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_-0fi4Q9KP54/S … tory+2.jpg
our blob?
http://family.webshots.com/photo/294642 … 3124FepPiW
the brickwork at the top
http://family.webshots.com/photo/250861 … 3124LRkaUk

Unknown

Unknown:
Frederick Law Olmsted (April 25, 1822 – August 28, 1903) was an American landscape designer and father of American landscape architecture, famous for designing many well-known urban parks, including Central Park and Prospect Park in New York City.[1] Other projects include the country’s oldest coordinated system of public parks and parkways in Buffalo, New York, the country’s oldest state park, the Niagara Reservation in Niagara Falls, New York, Mount Royal Park in Montreal, the Emerald Necklace in
Boston,
Massachusetts, the Belle Isle Park, in Detroit, Michigan, the Grand Necklace of Parks including Washington Park in
Milwaukee,
Wisconsin, the Cherokee Park (and the entire parks and parkway system) in Louisville, Kentucky, the Jackson Park, the Washington Park, the Midway Plaisance in
Chicago
for the World’s Columbian Exposition, the landscape surrounding the United States Capitol building, George Washington Vanderbilt II’s Biltmore Estate in Asheville, and Montebello Park in St. Catharines, Ontario.

Perhaps there is a common thread in the book with reference to these parks—all designed by the same man….?

shecrab, that has been mentioned before, i’m not sure by who……the only original part i had was maybe the line “him of hard word in 3 volumes” could be referencing him or the monument

slappybuns

are you there in montreal?

shecrab

Frederick Law Olmsted…

Nah, I’m in Austin.  Wish I were closer to a casque city though.  I grew up in Houston and spent many hours in Hermann Park and the Children’s Zoo as a kid, but alas, that casque is gone.  Fun to know that I may have walked right over it, maybe even within months of it being buried.
We need more people in Montreal — or at least more people here who know the city.
It is interesting how many parks he’s been involved with that have shown up in the hunt.  But also, look at just how prolific he was as a landscape designer.  Who else had anywhere near the level of involvement with so many parks in this country — or this continent?  He was the leading park designer at the height of a phase of development that saw an explosion of public parks.
Is Olmsted a deliberate connection?  Nah.  Grant Park in Chicago — where we know for sure a casque was buried — was designed by D.H. Burnham.  I couldn’t find who designed Rockefeller Park in Cleveland, but it isn’t on any list of Olmsted’s commissions that I could find.

bigmattyh,
http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory. … s/538.html
i haven’t found the other one yet.

I wasn’t talking about specific parks–just specific cities in the hunt.

i haven’t given up on houston yet, bigmattyh,
i just can’t, still think it’s closer to the hospital, because of the mask, i didn’t see a djinn in the book with a mask. ………….. i still believe in magic
…………i wish i could go see these places…..well, i’ve been to battery park in ny, and kitty hawk and charleston, but that was all b4 i ever heard of this hunt, except charleston i got a fast trip there after i knew about this hunt, but it was kindof not that great, too much to see in too little time……..i’m not even sure if i would even ever dig, but would love to see the places and hope for an epiphany (is that the word?, and is it spelled right? lol)
mostly, i’d just like to find the very thing someone needed to solve the location.

So, did anyone probe the spot?

Choice

So, did anyone probe the spot?

I don’t believe any of our Canadian members have done so or even like this area as a possibility. And unfortunately, that exact spot in my solve may no longer be possible to probe or reach. I just noticed this overhead view on google maps. They have rounded off the edge of the wall to make it flow better for the pedestrians.
https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5551092 … a=!3m1!1e3

Looks the same to me. Maybe I’m not looking at the right spot. Your dig spot area is the same.

Merlot Brougham

I do have a specific request, Unicorn, if you would indulge me I would be much obliged. I know it’s been mentioned and speculated before, but is there any way you would be willing to get a proper count and arrangement of the stairs at the entrance to the Mount Stephen Club?

Unfortunately, the Mount Stephen is currently under huge renovation, and the whole place is impossible to explore/see… I thought of taking a picture, but it looks worse than it does on Google Earth: big signs in front of the building to hide the renovation… I couldn’t even see the lamps, and it even looked like they might have been taken down (gasp!).
Next time I’m in the area, I will take a picture and look more closely with your request in mind to guide my observations (it gets a bit overwhelming on the field…). I’ll also stop by Dorchester park
I’m looking forward to read your thoughts and theories you are compiling!

Nyarlane

First time posting… I’m the unicorn guys… I live in Montreal, and I’m available to investigate plausible theories!

I do have a specific request, Unicorn, if you would indulge me I would be much obliged. I know it’s been mentioned and speculated before, but is there any way you would be willing to get a proper count and arrangement of the stairs at the entrance to the Mount Stephen Club?
It would relate to:
15 rows down to the ground
In the middle of twenty-one
From end to end
Only three stand watch
Three legeaters per lamp, each with one “standing” hoof.
Any assistance you would be able to lend would be appreciated. I hate to sound like I’m just barking demands here. Like I’ve said, most of my time on The Secret has been on Image9/Montreal. Happy to discuss any theories or prove I have enough skin in the game to try to talk you into doing my bidding.
p.s. Still working on a proper response to your earlier post. Just lots of theories and info over time. Trying to weed through it. And by weed, I of course mean the devil’s lettuce.
Also, nobody has ever been able to explain the “blob” behind the legeater in image 9.
There’s this one that kind of does it justice, but obviously not a match:
Is there any angle/perspective at the mount Stephen club where you can look through a legeater similar to the picture but find something that matches better for the blob? I’m not sure how much of this is even possible with the recent construction.

burnstyle

I am neither great nor powerful.
I may however be a tiny frail man behind a curtain.
Josh is an odd dude, I’ve hung out with him twice now… both times I think he wanted to fight me because I told him he was wrong. Once he punched a desk.
Hes a good example of what’s wrong with the hunt… since EU came out anyway… people who wont listen to reason because they obviously are smarter than everyone else.
Hes family in the same way a racist drunk uncle is family. It’s a good ide to keep him around so you can point at him on Thanksgiving and tell your kids “dont be like him when you grow up”

Oh man, that’s actually super scary, and creepy, and awful. In a really bad way! Thanks for clearing that up, I won’t feel the slightest bit sorry for him getting a boot-in-the-ass off this forum anymore, ever again!
And as for you, Mr. G. burnstyle, a “tiny frail man behind a curtain” is as good as any Great and Powerful Santa Claws as far as I’m concerned! LOL! I’m trying to stay on the Good side of the Christmas List. My name’s Sarah for the official record.

Whenever someone says you’re family, just ask them if you’re in their will!
I kinda like Krampus better. Character builder!

Breakthrough.  What hand gesture do you make to say the word “mesh”?  What popular Canadian sport evolved from Native American origins?
Does his head have the shape of a football? The Grey Cup of 1982 featured the Edmonton Eskimos and Doctor Death’s run of 5 straight victories.
The Stanley Cup of hockey was certainly in the shadow of the CFL that year.

What could something that happened in 1982 have to do with a book written in 1981?
and the hand sign for mesh is similar to pretending your two hands are gears ans the fingers spin into each other.
the hands are held vertically and parallel to the body,
So nothing like the image.

I have a November/1982 publication date on my copy of the book.  I don’t know for sure if Byron didn’t edit or make entries to his book for any of the 10 months prior in that year.
The events of the CFL in 78 to 81 were still of great significance.
I’m working on a theory about “roots”, not just because the word appears in the verse 10.  More to come.

Just to be clear. in 1982 a november publish date would have meant that the book would have been completed and set , to allow for print scheduling typesetting and photosetting – at least 1 year in advance. add into that having the paintings made, the casques created and then buried.  The book would haved basically been written by the end of 1979 The casques into the ground in 1980 and 1981 to put it all together.

Good news for those of you who use Google Earth – the clouds have lifted from Montreal!
The Mount Stephen Club is the building just to the northwest of what Google Earth thinks is 1440 Drummond St.
There does not appear to be anywhere convenient to bury a casque for nearly three blocks in any direction.

I did put the “other” clue back and did some more digging as long as I had the shovel in the dirt.  Nothing, nothing, nothing.
But, I am going to pursue the sonar plan, looking into costs and other options.
Also, the pic does have a vague image of Missouri in the square at the bottom right (with the X square at the St. Louis spot) and the upper left diagonal curve in the pattern on man’s right shoulder, which runs into the “step” pattern (his right).  A friend of mine noticed this.

like this?

Johann, can you post a shot of Missouri next to where you are talking about?
wilhouse

Fox, I respect your opinion here, but I don’t think his river is any more “confirming” than mine:
The little blobby part in that collar where I have the arrow drawn is the same shape as the city of St. Louis. And the bends of the river match also–as well as MF’s.  Also, note arch at bottom. Upside, down, but most definitely an ARCH.
MF: yes you can get the “Blob” to fit your St. Stephen’s steps–but WHY? Why would BP have picked out such an arbitrary outline, and also not included the REST of the blob? You account only for the step-like parts–not the top loopy parts. you don’t address anything that includes them.  And why note
that particular part
of the club, when it would
not
be a place the casque could be buried?
It’s just
too
arbitrary–part of a staircase, part of a window box, part of an image blob–part of a building facade? That makes NO sense at all.  If there was something self-contained about that outline, or if it was on a place where one could dig, I’d think it was more valid. This does not say confirmation to me. It’s not like the statue of the boy in Image 7–his outline, his clothing, his pose–even his hands–as vague and small as the Image has them, they MATCH. There is no doubt when you look at them. Not like this blob and your Stephen’s club steps.

Parc Rembrandt (I’d never heard of it) is in Cote-St-Luc, which is pretty far from downtown Montreal. I would be extremely surprised if there was anything there. There doesn’t seem to be anything distinctive there either, judging from the park’s website:
http://www.cotesaintluc.org/en/RembrandtPark

I totally understand what you are saying,
why those particular architectural elements,
it might be simply those are the elements that appeared in the photo that BP took of the legeater.
if he took one shot of the lamp from one spot and sent that in, those could be the elements that stood out in that picture and were framed by the shot. That is a simple logical explanation. If Montreal is the location, then there must be a blob in Montreal and at this time I think the blob,is probably the planter box et al, if it is not Montreal it’s moot.
It makes sense, that the proximity of the blob to the legeater in the image indicates some kind of proximity in the real world, so if the fountain in St Louis is the blob, then the legeater in St Louis must be nearby.
From the lamp in montreal we know that the legeater is the base of a lamp, It is a real item not a metaphorical indicator or composite of other things.
Why not try a “have you seen this lamp” posters put up in the area around the blob fountain (does that fountain have a name or location, blob fountain seems kind of vague.) that kind of thing would catch peoples attention perhaps even news coverage…
Have fun with it, get some milk cartons and past a missing lamp label to it and leave them around in the area…
here….  I will email the original to whoever wants it, it’s sized to print 8×11

Unknown

Unknown:
I totally understand what you are saying,
why those particular architectural elements,
it might be simply those are the elements that appeared in the photo that BP took of the legeater.

Errrrr…..I doubt that. Not to be argumentative here, but I don’t think that would have been what JJP put in a painting to “mark” an area.  I think BP took photos of
whole things
–and gave them to JJP to paint. So they could be definite markers–not indefinite ones.
I like your poster idea, though. Why not put it on a website, too?

shecrab

Fox, I respect your opinion here, but I don’t think his river is any more “confirming” than mine:

shecrab, I think its just a little bit closer, but still not an exact match…

Then too , which of these is closer…?

shecrab

Why not put it on a website, too?

I would simply aim it at the people who frequent the area of the blob fountain.
People will see it and read it, and the people in that area are more likely to know about it if it exists or existed.
A website would aim at entirely the wrong people and why would people go to the website in the first place? but feel free…

I have done this below….I think it may be helpful to visualize something other than a fountain for the blob. I’m not saying the blob isn’t a fountain–but it might be a building as well–and this is pretty much what I’m seeing. I think this may be the marker for the casque wherever it is.  MF, if you can find something like this near the Montreal legeater, I’ll graciously accept everything you put forth and go with it.
Otherwise, I’m still looking, despite your stairstep building. Because—-yes, that architectural detail is more accurate in your pic—but it’s distinctive to a St. Louis
LANDMARK
in mine. And when it all comes down to it, that may (MAY) be more important.

If you want to go literal, the bottom one is closer….
but I like the concept of the “Jewel Box”

shecrab

I think BP took photos of
whole things
–and gave them to JJP to paint. So they could be definite markers–not indefinite ones.

by taking the legeater and the background behind it. in two separate pieces, you make the puzzle a bit tougher and still have an exact site confirmer.
Question – you seem to be having more trouble with the why then the what… If a picture taken 20 or so feet to the left matched up perfectly, even though they are arbitrary elements, the flower box, plinth stair runner etc., all matched up exactly, would you still believe this is not the blob?

shecrab

I have done this below….I think it may be helpful to visualize something other than a fountain for the blob. I’m not saying the blob isn’t a fountain–but it might be a building as well–and this is pretty much what I’m seeing.

I really need to go back and repost all my old pictures, I had them hosted on a website that I ended up selling so all those photos in the old threads are not showing. but this is one I posted back in 2004.
It shows the arches removed because the assumption was they represented water, and I wanted to see the underlying structure.
Now I think they represent flora draping out of the box, that is why they dont continue down the steps…

shecrab

MF, if you can find something like this near the Montreal legeater, I’ll graciously accept everything you put forth and go with it.

Oh no!, Please don’t accept anything I say until we find a casque in St.Louis, Montreal, or somewhere else?
Disagreement, breeds creativity, Please, try very hard to shoot down everything I post, If it cant stand up to scrutiny of intelligent observers then it is not a very good idea. If I seem to be picking on you, it is because your arguments against definitely make me work harder at proving mine…
I think that this board is making very good progress lately, if you look you will find it happens during the middle of big “arguments.” People try to support their position and make a breakthrough or connection and on we go…

http://www.forestparkforever.org/HTML/f … e_2005.pdf
following the river idea… this map has similar bends…
Also, his head is the basic shape of the area called the Grand Basin

I think that the light brown blob just to the right of man’s ear in this image looks like the coastline of Newfoundland.  Does this look like that to anyone else?
I’m not saying it is Newfoundland, just a confirmer of Canada.

like this?
I wouldnt now newfoundland if I tripped over it , but it matches as good as the others…

LOL….MF, I think he meant the light brown blob to the right of the entire figure. And yes, it vaguely resembles it in spots.
But I’m one of those that doesn’t believe that the light brown areas in the painting’s background are meaningful. I can be “turned” though…..that one piece of coastline there—maybe maybe maybe……
I have been trying to match up the hat wrinkles with the edge of the state of Missouri. I can’t get a decent size map to use to match them, but they match fairly well. One or the other of them–either my snippet of the hat, or the map I’ve been using, needs to be rotated just slightly–and I can’t do that on this computer here at work. I will be able to do it when I get home later, using another imaging program. So we’ll see. Until then, I’m workin’ on it!!
I agree MF–good exchanges aren’t good exchanges unless they include disagreements! I’m sooooooooo glad you don’t get defensive and upset! I certainly don’t mean to upset anyone.
BTW: your images of the blob without the loopy things—look MORE like the Jewel Box….

shecrab

LOL….MF, I think he meant the light brown blob to the right of the entire figure. And yes, it vaguely resembles it in spots.

yes, that is what I meant.

Nope, I was wrong if you move more to the left in front of the blob, it becomes even less lined up.
I agree the planter box is not our blob.

Re: image 9
« Reply #1020 on: Today at 02:45:29 pm »
I have been trying to match up the hat wrinkles with the edge of the state of Missouri. I can’t
get a decent size map to use to match them, but they match fairly well. One or the other of
them–either my snippet of the hat, or the map I’ve been using, needs to be rotated just
slightly–and I can’t do that on this computer here at work. I will be able to do it when I get
home later, using another imaging program. So we’ll see. Until then, I’m workin’ on it!!
shecrab try this, it may still be too small
http://thesecret.pbwiki.com/
i still have people looking for a legeater in STL

I found the road segment “curve” match to Cleveland and so it works to consider basic maps of areas or aerials.  I know folks have been largely against those comparisons, understandable given the risk of inumerable similarities wherever one might look…o road segment, where have you not been?
Is it true that there the symbol above the legeater shaped like an X in a box can be considered to represent a totem
pole
?  Trohn mentioned that awhile back.

I found the road segment “curve” match to Cleveland and so it works to consider basic maps of areas or aerials.  I know folks have been largely against those comparisons, understandable given the risk of inumerable similarities wherever one might look…o road segment, where have you not been?
Is it true that there the symbol above the legeater shaped like an X in a box can be considered to represent a totem pole?  Trohn mentioned that awhile back.

WhiteRabbit,
New ideas are always welcome!
Here is a suggestion,
go look at the chicago and cleveland solutions.
Then find the links in the Fair Folk section that you think correlate to those specific solutions
Then explain how those links support one of these points.
A – Associating a picture with a city
B – Associating a Verse with a city
C – Associating a picture with a verse.
D – Assisting in clarifying a specific (exact) casque location.
If you can demonstrate a consistent methodology that would be really interesting.

(…cheers maltedfalcon, I’ll have a think about that…)

I can dig it.

Egbert

Now, back to Image 9 – what clue is on his forehead?  J9?

This is the Dominion Square Tavern:
Dorchester (Dominion) Square is also within the Golden Square Mile and has the Boer War monument (Dutch connection).
Here’s Dominion Square in the 60’s. No idea how long that facade stayed up:

Thats a p7 for parking lot 7

erexere

I know they arent exact but even so the similarity with so much time passed and whether nature has altered the wood along with how accurate the flower was intended to be leaves me with a buzz of suspended excitement.

I doubt the shape of the tree has changed enough to make it a radically different shape. While there might be some missing the parts that are there do not match. Again all the other site confirmer images are exact matches.
So theories based off this connection are a stretch.
And the for the square to match the railing the would have needed to be a circle in the middle of it.
again not a match.

erexere

Years of weather may have caused the tree to split and widen a little at top.  Not a stone statue or a metal lamp, but it looks like one of the best matches I’ve seen in awhile.

If you showed me a 122, 123 or 124, I’d be inclined to agree.

Glossiphoniidae

If you showed me a 122, 123 or 124, I’d be inclined to agree.

I keep looking at those bits of hair like it’s a “23”, but that’s about it.  Sorry.
I’ve been very interested in this possible “blob” comparison.  My hand at recreating a side view and a rear view of the 9 o’clock Gun from a recent photo.  Older photos from the 60’s and 80’s show that nothing significant has been altered other than the building surround and armature restoration.

So I looked at your trace and it looked “off”  So I did an accurate trace from the image.
After considering how exact hidden images are in the Found images and comparing the accurate outline of the stump to the flower.
The definitely do not match. not even close. outside of a general similarity that just about any cross section of a lumpy tree trunk would show.
It looks more like when you made your “Handdrawn” trace you either consciously or unconsciously emphasized the features that made it look closer.  I don’t think you have found a match here.

possibly this is a fit for
in the shadow of the grey giant
find the arm that extends over the slender path.

erexere

Stanley Park Lat/Long:
49
.3037° N, 123.1452° W
The Montreal alternative: a 4 combined with a 6 to make 46.  Near Mount Stephen Club Lat/Long:
45
.5081° N, 73.5550° W.  Technically we could round it to 46.

I think you are going  too specific a lat/lon, the found casques have multiple coordinates that describe a box that surrounds the city where the casque is found. not a particular single spot.

Maltedf.  That is excellent work.  I don’t know how you did it but you sure know how to compare graphical images.  I know they arent exact but even so the similarity with so much time passed and whether nature has altered the wood along with how accurate the flower was intended to be leaves me with a buzz of suspended excitement.
Whats that rune square all about?  Is it a big letter D with a smaller H and L within?  DHL…D.H.Lawrence maybe?

Fenix

In my opinion, there are still a couple of items that do not have great explanations. The line along the top right of the hat and the left side of the hair, specifically.
All that said, I only have one question to anybody who does not believe that the legeater is the dig spot confirmation in the image. What else could be? I’m open to discussing if you can find a better option.

Glad to see the discussion revive here.
I think the top right of the hat is voie camillien-houde which defines the northwest border of Mount Royal. So by itself it doesn’t lend any more specifics. The leg eater definitely could be the dig spot indicator, as nothing else is so specific. But I am still doubtful that the dig would have happened in such a conspicuous privately owned spot. So what else could be the identifier? 2 suggestions: 1. The runes are not 74, and are out there on a plaque/rock/statue still to be discovered. 2. The stair step collar, which unfortunately has 4 or 5 reasonable locations in the area that ended up as an unintentionally poor locator.

Something more obvious to explain, what are the hands representing?

Get permission
To dig out.
If verse 5 is your choice for this image. Those two lines seem like a pretty reasonable instruction for digging up the manicured front entrance of the George Stephen House.

Trohn

Something more obvious to explain, what are the hands representing?

Trohn, I see the fingers as representing the rib supports of Olympic Stadium. This is one of the many reasons my solve is in Olympic Park.

BINGO

Get permission
To dig out.
If verse 5 is your choice for this image. Those two lines seem like a pretty reasonable instruction for digging up the manicured front entrance of the George Stephen House.

Agreed. You would definitely need to get permission for a manicured entrance like GSH or on the fine manicured lawn between the Esplanade, South side of Olympic Stadium, to the East of the White Stone wall with the Olympic rings.

I visit these boards every once in a while, but I usually don’t have much to add. I was just very curious about that tree, because it does look like that flower.
However, I gave up on Vancouver a long time ago. Probably just a coincidence.

Egbert

I visit these boards every once in a while, but I usually don’t have much to add. I was just very curious about that tree, because it does look like that flower.
However, I gave up on Vancouver a long time ago. Probably just a coincidence.

I say there’s more evidence than just the legeater lamp to conclude there’s a connection to Montreal, but I I think there’s far too much in Stanley Park to brush aside as mere coincidence. I think verse 10 contains clues towards explaining this transcontinental paradox.

Cenotaph is in victory square in Vancouver.
This wiki page describes the helmets which are portrayed in giant size on each of the corners of the cenotaph,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brodie_helmet
Looks like a ringer for the helmet on the centaur.
I dunno, maybe this curved smile is here:
Maltedfalcon, I’m not sure which idea you’re not buying.  I think the main idea is that its not required to find the lamp in Montreal.  I agree it is a match, but even so, it is still an assumption for us to say that means the casque s in Montreal.  On some level we must define our attachment to an idea and everyone at some poi nt in their lives has learned that they can be mistaken despite the odds .
I think the Flower could represent a poppy.  What do you think?  If it does, then a thematic focus towards Remembrance Day is justified.  Pursuing that idea might quickly lead one to the cenotaph of Victory SQUARE.  Squares seem to be a large compo nent of image 9.  There is even a square outlining the lamp and blob as well as the X and P/7.  The lamp leg actually extends past the border.  Could that be a clue for the gap one might see at the base of the 1980 installment f the Gate to the Northwest Passage scupture whch is a large square in one perspective and then a shape like the Atari logo in the other?.

Im totally lost by this one. why wouldn’t he have just put a picture of the cenotaph.
your saying to solve this clue, one needs to first find the legeater lamp and then use it to solve an obscure symbolic rebus.
Im not clear, where is this cenotaph?
If it helps you find a casque great,  but I think this idea is a true waste of time.

I’m trying to evaluate this boxed portion as a symbolic rebus.
I’m relating the 3-legged lamp combined with an early era military canon to a three sided cenotaph in honor of fallen soldiers.
Each of the 3 corners of the cenotaph has a large cement replica of a WW1 steel helmet.  I think of this as a strong equivalent to the three heads eating the legs of the lamp.

shecrab

I know that the “stairstep” configuration has been found, but that particular architectural detail is found everywhere; it’s not conclusive enough for me in this case. If it were really unusual, I’d have to go with it. It’s not. The collar bends, and the hat bends–I feel in my gut these are borders. They have not matched Missouri, but they haven’t matched Quebec either.
I am going with BP’s own assertion that there is a casque in St. Louis–he never asserted as much about Montreal, though he did say there was a Canadian one. Somewhere there is a better match, and MORE of a match. I just have this really strong gut feeling about it.

The thing about the stairstep is it is an exact match.exactly the width & height, it overlays perfectly.  The Jewel box merely is similar… dont forget the p7 which is the parking lot next to the building with the stairstep.
you are right about the maps * the lat lon they are there but can be read several ways…
Earlier though I asked a question to the person who reported the St Louis comment by BP, after reporting the comment, he later said he wondered if he mis-understood what BP meant. which leads me to believe BP did not unequivocally state there is a st louis casque, again he was being vague.
I asked exactly what BP said but never got an answer, does anybody know exactly what he said?

1917
It took bold and decisive civic action in April of 1917 to give
St. Louis
and the world
The Municipal Theatre
. The Convention Board of the St. Louis Advertising Club decided to proceed with plans to host the 13th Annual Convention of Advertising Clubs of the World in June of 1917. At a time of recession and with war raging in Europe, that itself was a risky decision. But these promoters of St. Louis wanted to showcase our city to the 5,000 business
people who would come from across the country and Europe
.
hehehehe

Slightly amusing….
Ok… so I look up J W Fiske and what do I find….
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= … n%26sa%3DN
this little boy looks familiar…. my brain hurts.

FB:  I do understand that the match must be exact. I was trying only to track down some possible other manufacturer. Looking closely at the base of that lamp in Montreal, it looks very much like it was added later–and your match of the post itself is, of course, absolutely EXACT. It is my opinion that we aren’t looking for a
Fiske
lamp base, but another, different, manufacturer where we might find OTHER legeaters that are exact matches. And as you said, they may or may not be in Montreal–or St. Louis.
I don’t believe there is anything like it in Forest Park. The park was literally scrubbed clean of all of the Exposition stuff, and returned to it’s former, park identity after the end of the Expo. That never even crossed my mind, actually. There just
have
to be other legeaters–that CANNOT be the only one. I refuse to believe it. And I also don’t believe the casque is in Montreal–and that the legeater would be the only thing linking it to Montreal–I need more than just that legeater. I know that the “stairstep” configuration has been found, but that particular architectural detail is found everywhere; it’s not conclusive enough for me in this case. If it were really unusual, I’d have to go with it. It’s not. The collar bends, and the hat bends–I feel in my gut these are borders. They have not matched Missouri, but they haven’t matched Quebec either. I am going with BP’s own assertion that there is a casque in St. Louis–he never asserted as much about Montreal, though he did say there was a Canadian one. Somewhere there is a better match, and MORE of a match. I just have this really strong gut feeling about it.
But that could just be indigestion too.

forest_blight

It’s in Forest Park in St. Louis, right outside the Muny. Here’s a more modern picture:

Put these lat & lon in google earth for the location of the fountain
38°38’27.73″N    90°16’47.41″W

Unknown

Unknown:
The neighborhood’s name comes from the “Bevo Mill building”, a local landmark that was designed in the style of Dutch and German windmills for grinding grain. The Mill building was built in 1916

Unknown

Unknown:
The vaulted ceilings of the foyer and Mill Room have groined arches which end in stone-carved gnomes, unusual in design and character. The gnomes were exhibited at the Paris Exhibition of 1898

Stephen King, Salem’s lot

It settles in the way an old friend will settle into your favorite chair and take out his pipe and light it and then fill the afternoon with stories

Co-ords for St Louis are 45/73.
I guess this could be a 73…
…and this might be a reversed 73…
As for the 45, it’s October, 10th month, and the X has been suggested for roman numeral 10. In which case, the V could be roman numeral 5, and the squiggle on the left a reversed 4.
* * * * * * * * *
I’m currently thinking about V2 for this image in St Louis.
There’s a place called “Bevo Mill” which has a dutch connection…
Gnomes admire / Fays delight
…it has gnomes…
And it’s on Morgan Ford Rd…Morgan le Fay…? (St Louis also has a Lafayette Park, with cannons that were used for the attack on Moultrie.)
* * * * *
The Chancery Building on the grounds of the Cathedral Basilica of St. Louis was designed by an architect called
Sarmiento
.
If Forest Park was the place where jewels abound (jewel box), perhaps you could say that Tower Grove Park is about 15 streets or rows down to the ground.
Through all this flow’r-embroider’d grove,
Where elves and fays delight to rove
You can reach it by heading up Morgan Ford from Bevo Mill.
* * * * *
…as the sound of friends fills the afternoon hours…

I think Mr Backstop’s effort is interesting but far-fetched. It makes sense in the abstract, but at any rate, many other possibilities could fit the image with such a high level of abstraction.
If we take the 2 puzzles that have already been solved as examples, we need to find elements in the city that, when compared to the image, fit it without any reasonable doubt. IMHO, the Olympic Stadium theory do not meet that threshold.

I still have dbouts about the verse but I think I the clues in the image less the legeater tell us STL Forest Park and the Muny theater area. The STL clues are the Arch and the Black Colar. The Forest Park Clue is the checker pattern. The Muny clue is the half smile half frown in the mouth. I wish I could figure out one part of the middle section of Verse 6 to know for sure I had the match. Their may be two links the arms extended that I have previously talked about the other could be the cool clear song of water the fountain you think you see in the image. I am not sure it is a fountain. I also wonder if that thing some of us think is a STL Blues logo is actually a representation of the road around Pagoda Circle.
Soon I will update the Image to Verse Match again to try eliminate some verses and look for possible alternate verses.

Well my bad, the German reference is Milwaukee. I largely think of Dutch as German people but it also includes Netherlands, which is the immigrant reference I meant to use in this case.

I have recently upgraded my computer and monitor and wow!
I cropped and zoomed the upper right hand
background and  previously unseen detail has emerged.
(I was shocked in fact)
I am having trouble posting it (too large) so if someone wants to
assist me, I would be grateful.  Send me a PM with your e-mail and I will
forward you the document and let you judge.
If you want to do it yourselves, the image is directly diagonal (45 degress)
up from the hair sprouting out from the ear.
I posted it to the wiki –  here:
http://thesecret.pbwiki.com/9_LL

I give up what am I looking at?

maltedfalcon

I give up what am I looking at?

What did you see?  Look at the image in the center of the document – comprised
of a black lined image (with the negative space of the image being the brown –
as the rest of the background)

how about just telling us what is there.

fox

how about just telling us what is there.

Because I really want someone else to view and say it – so I am not told I am full of crap.
I will post another image of it on the wiki and provide the description.

understood trohn. i would check it out but i am using my cell right now to scan the boards

I just dont see it.
I see lots of vague shapes but nothing I can point to and say aha.
oh hang on, maybe… let me pull out my paintshop pro…

trohn just sent an email with a jpg to the address in your profile
is that what you meant?

Malted Falcon-
Send it to:
[email protected]
The e-mail posted on this profile is old.
Thanks.
Tron

sent

maltedfalcon

sent

see reply.  Not looking at what I was.

then nope, dont see it…

I looked at the image on the wiki and I see the artifacts you are pointing at.
and I do see what you are talking about, but above that I can see a face and below that I can see jabba the hut,  I think this is a case of seeing things in the shapes of the clouds rather then an actual image. Also the trouble with having to blow up the image and process it to see things is something that BP could not have expected the readers to do in 1981 as nobody would have access to that kind of stuff.

Choice

That part of the flower looks like a cathedral type building. Flag part of the note looks like steeple/spire part. Note symbol for bell chime?

For the yellow and green lines….sure, why not.
But, the red one comes from the disjointed, pixalated ink blob that covers up the Fleur de Lis. No idea if that blob was added intentionally to hide the Fleur de Lis or if it was an error from the printer (that became pixalated when digitized…was probably not from digitizing, the blocks are too large to be pixels).
I think that if those lines were intended to be used together, they would have been grouped together in the image, placed in the correct orientation. (Just my opinion.)

Mister EZ

For the yellow and green lines….sure, why not.
But, the red one comes from the disjointed, pixalated ink blob that covers up the Fleur de Lis. No idea if that blob was added intentionally to hide the Fleur de Lis or if it was an error from the printer (that became pixalated when digitized…was probably not from digitizing, the blocks are too large to be pixels).
I think that if those lines were intended to be used together, they would have been grouped together in the image, placed in the correct orientation. (Just my opinion.)

I think the blocks were added so the image doesn’t get automatically accepted as New Orleans. Connection to the church is the goat gargoyle I mentioned earlier.
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=737&start=2067

In the flower, the so called “40” is a flipped musical note “eighth” or “quaver”.
Could also symbolize a flagpole.

Choice

In the flower, the so called “40” is a flipped musical note “eighth” or “quaver”.
Could also symbolize a flagpole.

Looks like a quaver to me….too big to be a hemisemidemiquaver.
(Edit: and, it only has 1 tail, not 4….it couldn’t be anything but a quaver, if it actually represents a musical note.)

That part of the flower looks like a cathedral type building. Flag part of the note looks like steeple/spire part. Note symbol for bell chime?

Wonderful pics fb!!!!! Thanks so much for taking the time.
cw:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= … n%26sa%3DN
If you scroll down to Loyola Campus it is building FC. Find this on google earth and it is in 3D. You can see the railing around the porch if you zoom in.

have fun forest!

Forest,
if you are on the ground by the leg eater.
do me a favor
walk left and right on the street and see if you can come up with an angle where the horizontal lines on the building behind the legeater and the large planter box with the angled sides matches the object in the picture to the right of the legeater.
I always thought it was a fountain of some kind, but with the steps/platforms/horziontal lines on the club
and then the planter box whose sides match the angle of the top of the strange object…
My guess is move up the street toward Mount Royal and see if the foreshortening effect causes you to percieve the view as matching the object.
If so this would indicate you are going in the correct direction if you move toward mount royal from the legeater
pictures that contain images of the planter box I am talking about…
http://www.flickr.com/photos/11924414@N00/

Unknown

Unknown:
Insectarium de Montréal
4581 Sherbrooke Est
Montréal, Québec

Darn. The hotel I am sitting in RIGHT NOW is at 1659 Sherbrooke, but it looks like my schedule is completely packed
for the entire conference
. Of all the rotten luck.
I did walk past our favorite lamps today, though. Quite a thrill. Maybe I will get to walk past them tomorrow with a camera.

I’m sorry malt, but I just came back from the one and only Secret-related jaunt I will be able to make during this trip. I wish I had more time, and that I had read your message sooner.
I just uploaded all my pics to webshots:
http://good-times.webshots.com/album/567344018kobdGv
bclews suggested that I take panoramic photos while standing in front of the Mount Stephen Club. I did that, but I’ve never done it before, so it may be difficult to stitch them together. Anyway, if someone is so inclined, the pictures are there for stitching (start with 2097 and end with 2108).
I also took some pictures of the dirt areas around the Club. I would regard the club grounds a highly UNlikely site for our casque. Not really a good spot, has flower beds, private property, etc. Plus, it isn’t Dutch, and the casque site needs to have some sort of Dutch connection to go with P9.
Loads of great architecture and culture in Montreal; I highly recommend a trip.

I’m glad that somebody else saw that the area near the legeater is really not a good place to hide a treasure!

Egads boogie…the middle guy in your outline looks an awful lot like one Mr. Homer Jay Simpson.
Sorry, just had to do it.  I still think these ‘images?’ found in brush/pen strokes in the Ps are a huuuuge stretch.  Let’s see if we can find an “obvious” one in either P4 or P5 and then maybe I will become a believer.

Oh, and this opinion in no way detracts from your discovery, ravel07 – at least we know what we’re looking for!

ravel07

I’m glad that somebody else saw that the area near the legeater is really not a good place to hide a treasure!

It never really has been a good place…but, you found our legeater!

ravel07 could you in your spare time, see if you could find the box with the X, and take some pics for us
xlurker posted one at this link, thanks
http://www.fidnet.com/~debbil/TheSecret.html
great pics fb

This is cool. Thanks Jay.
I still feel compelled to wonder if image 1 links to the the three shades of Adam and the Thinker in SF. A fun idea to wonder about from pop culture if you ever watched Godzilla films is the character Rodan looks like a giant dragon. It is the dragons pearl after all…

Hi Guys,
I’ve finally found the time to share with you some pictures that a friend of mine and I have been checking lately.
Someone came out with the interesting theory that the treasure could be on Montreal’s St. Helene Island.
Well, the one in the picture is actually Ile de Sainte Helene, just upside down. Don’t you think there’s an impressive match with the man’s collar? You can match it with nowadays google map’s image and with satellite’s pics from just before the Montreal’s Expo in 1967.In the third image with the red line there’s also a bend on the collar which could match with a little street right next to the one marked.
What do you think?
Also, referring to the poem, I wanted to point out, in case it could be of help, that two twenty two in French (Montreal’s first language) would be “deux vingt deux”, whose pronunciation sounds like “dévant de” which means “in front of”.
Checkered patterns have been said to look like checkered grand prix flags. Flag in French is “drapeau”. The park on St. Helene’s island is parc Jean-Drapeau.
I thought that the wingless bird could be the Concorde plane, whose shape is peculiar and “less winged” than other planes. We have Concorde Bridge which links the island to Montreal.
“Lane” can be translated as “circuit” and we have Villeneuve Circuit on the island.
I’ve been visiting Lévis tower and the nearby area but couldn’t find anything else relevant. The tower should have been part of a citadel in the past. There’s a cannon museum on the island and cannons could look similar to the little thingy next to the legeater in the picture. No white stones next to the tower, apart from some guardstone bollards which probably haven’t been there forever.
This is just a sort of brainstorming, everything that I’ve been thinking about in my last months here in Montreal.
I hope these pictures could be of help. I’ll be here in Montreal until the 6th of October. I’d love to meet some of you and go visit the island if you think it could be relevant.
This last one is just for fun, I’ve been there today and I was shocked seeing the actual size of the legeater (which I’ve been waiting for years to see in person!)
I look forward to meeting you or discussing here!
Chiara

The hand gestures looks like one of Auguste Rodin’s works called “The Secret.” An exhibit of his work is at the Montreal Museum of Art, not far from the George Stephan House with the leg eater lamp.
His works could possible be referenced in other images as well.
https://arthouse-online.nl/en/rodin-and … 55284.html
https://www.google.com/search?q=rodin+t … HijL3VQvyM
:
Dorchester Square? The paving could resemble the checkered pattern on the coat.

Actually the World’s Columbian Exposition of 1893 was also called and expo but was more commonly called the Chicago World’s Fair.

Is there anyone local to Montreal or anyone heading up there any time soon that would search for us?
I’m searching photos online around the area, but online resources are limited.
I also can’t get street level views there like I can with certain cities in the US.
I would love to see the image that is next to the legeater that matches the fountain/sculpture in the St Louis park as well as a better match for the checker patern.
I would also love to see support of a V with this image pointing to Montreal.