doesn’t sinister mean left?

Sinister=left
Righteous=right
Hmmm….

Love the Olympic Stadium solution!

davinci4

Another part here that could use ‘on the ground’ perspective is the “middle of 21.” Is it really be referring to the trees surrounding the park? Only so much info you can gain from google street view. Also could there be other image confirmers that make more sense once you are on site?

No, and no
this, is the middle of 21

It is an interesting way to look at it, however, as I have said, I don’t think these puzzles are all that complex, nor do I believe that they have this particular angle. The clocks were/are merely an interesting way to associate a number with a month. Beyond that, they seem to have no use at all. There were none in either of the solutions already revealed–Cleveland and Chicago.
There ARE ways of depicting numbers in every image. But numbers don’t have to be the clocks. I think it’s the other way ’round…the clocks are merely another way of depicting number, just like counting similar objects–warts, asters, balls, etc. are.

Unknown

Unknown:
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I agree. Just trying to play with wording. I’ll stop posting if you’d like.

Unknown

Unknown:
For lack of any better response, Duh. Did anything I’ve mentioned indicate that I thought clocks or watches would be found in the area?

Oh don’t be silly.
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There’s no need for that attitude. I’m only doing what you’re doing: speculating. If you weren’t looking for a clock then why are you trying to focus on time? To what purpose?

My impression of the 9th image is “Mr. Furley goes to India.”  All this talk of razor’s has me thinking of WS Maugham’s The Razor’s Edge.  Notice the opal-third-eye and the funny/depressed quirk in the facial expression.  It’s meditative and Hessian like Magister Ludi and the Glass Bead Game.  The narrowness of the eyes has me thinking about parallax or tunnel vision.  Are there any tunnels in Montreal with nearby parks?

Glossiphoniidae

One idea I have been checking out, and related to this, is that only four images have a clock in them:
image 1 – 6 o’clock
image 2 – 4 o’clock
image 7 – 3 o’clock
image 12 – 11 o’clock
…and few verses speak of time:
verse 3 – “twelfth hour”
verse 8 – “at a distance in time”
verse 10 – “take twice as many east steps as the hour”
anymore i’m missing? i want to believe there is a connection.

I actually think this is pretty intersting. I have always thought that there had to be something more than just verifying a birth month with these numbers. The one Major flaw I see in your theory is this:  look at your verse 3 – “twelfth hour”.  Unfortunately, none of the 4 clocks say 12 o’clock.

im wilhouses son and ive decided to join and i dont think the leg is a dog, it looks more like a elk, deer or like a goat leg

yes, the leg is definitely a cloven hoof…not a canine.  The more I look at the head, the more I wonder if it is a dog too.  The main reason folks here refer to that as a dog leg is: dog’s head + leg (not necessarily a dog) = dogleg….as in a sharp turn in a road or golf course.

A very belated yet heartfelt condolences to you and your family Boogie……..

Just 76 and 77 were significant to Olympic Stadium themselves with the Olympics and the Montreal Expos.
What I find cool about this puzzle is how the flower is also represents a clock.
There are 12 petals and the little circle inside the number 6 represents the location of the dig spot in my solve. The “6” sits at approximately 7’oclock on the flower and would point you over to the esplanade in Olympic park. Continue in that direction and you will tie that together with the 12 paces west (Verse 5) of the sidewalk coming South from Olympic Park to find yourself closest to the White Stone wall with the Olympic Rings. The 12 paces will end up being the 12 stone sections that curve around the small cement wall turning to the SW and when you get to the 12th stone you are actually closer to the White Stone than the other 4 colored stone walls.

The facial markings on the animal have always reminded me of something.
I finally tracked it down, the animal head is a Thompson’s Gazelle. which is a kind of antelope.
I suspect the hoof & leg are the leg of a gazelle.
So perhaps that indicates something like “antelope rd
or Gazelle ave, or Thompson ave.
something like that….

http://www.southerntrophy.net/wpe50.jpg
this is a gazzell and i totally agree that it looks like a gazzell and not a dog; i think maltedfalcon has made sense

specifically the “thompson’s gazelle” has the same face markings.

yes, the gazelle is a good match…but why no antlers?  would it be too easy with them?
here’s a dumb idea….gazelle is quite similar to gazette so maybe the casque’s city has a paper called the gazette…nah, very dumb, sorry.
like the gazelle though

cyanide, it’s funny you mentioned Memphis.  When I showed this to my brother years ago, the first thing he said was Memphis as well.  He said there is a pyramid shaped bldg (upsidedown collar) there but I believe research found the bldg came after the hunt.  He briefly worked on the hunt and was trying the angle that each site would correspond with an ancient site…ie..Memphis (egypt).  Dont think he got very far.

I seen that pyamid building when I was looking into Memphis. I think I booked marked it so I can look into it further with the image. I haven’t had the chance to do so yet.

Unknown

Unknown:
yes, the gazelle is a good match…but why no antlers?  would it be too easy with them?

It has antlers, the pointy thing right above the ear.
its a profile view so you only see one ear and one antler.

Unknown

Unknown:
Josh, what about the possibility that we do take a look, agree with some ideas and not others….and then go along pursing our own ideas?

I think this is how it works independently of whatever Josh thinks. I doubt it will have any effect on his approach to the puzzle in general, and more specifically, his posting style. But it can’t hurt to ask, and the tone is appreciated.

thought this should go here too, moved it over from v-6 thread
had forgot about this fountain
http://www.slfp.com/ForestPark.html
map for fountain
http://www.slfp.com/SLFP-FPFEmap.htm#anchor517979
the bad thing is i think they had a notice when i was there that some more work would be done
anyway its behind zoo and if you look up the worlds fair st louis, i think something came up white
if youve never been to this city park, your missing a great experince. anyway if your near st louis on a
vac go the extra 100 mile it is worth it, there are some days, that some attractions are closed, im thinking
mon and tues. , check it out if you get the chance
some links to help
http://www.forestparkforever.org/HTML/s … _tour.html
http://www.forestparkforever.org/HTML/l … after.html
http://www.forestparkforever.org/HTML/contact.html
alpha order of what shows at the muny, may connect a line or two in verse?
http://www.muny.org/content/view/7/101/
maybe these people can help
http://stlouis.missouri.org/government/ … pagoda.htm
more info
http://stlouis.missouri.org/citygov/parks/forestpark/

Unknown

Unknown:
Arthur Erickson’s pyramidal Man in His Community was built from hexagonal frames of Douglas fir; the German pavilion, a 15-storey, multi-peaked tent of plastic, indicated how concept and materials might radically alter the design of buildings such as auditoriums; and Buckminster Fuller’s geodesic dome for the US became the prototype for a new trend in construction. The interiors of the pavilions also varied greatly. Some presented prosaic displays of consumer goods and machinery while others imaginatively depicted their history and cultural traditions. Montréal
architect
Moshe Safdie’s revolutionary Habitat ’67 was a graphic demonstration that by industrializing the building process, there are better and cheaper ways to house people.

(Someone suggested Habitat 67 as the blob. Don’t know about that, but just noticed that Habitat 67, and a fifteen-storey plastic tent, were both part of the “Expo 67” World Fair. The first World Fair was in London’s Crystal Palace. Maybe I can sacrifice Windsor Station and Ruelle Palace if I can link Expo 67 to McGill…)
(Slappy, I don’t want to hear a word about the “tall-as-Jack-pine ones” or the Geodesic Gnome. Understand?  ;))

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Unknown:
Arthur Erickson’s pyramidal Man in His Community was built from hexagonal frames of Douglas fir; the German pavilion, a 15-storey, multi-peaked tent of plastic, indicated how concept and materials might radically alter the design of buildings such as auditoriums; and Buckminster Fuller’s geodesic dome for the US became the prototype for a new trend in construction. The interiors of the pavilions also varied greatly. Some presented prosaic displays of consumer goods and machinery while others imaginatively depicted their history and cultural traditions. Montréal architect Moshe Safdie’s revolutionary Habitat ’67 was a graphic demonstration that by industrializing the building process, there are better and cheaper ways to house people.

(Someone suggested Habitat 67 as the blob. Don’t know about that, but just noticed that Habitat 67, and a fifteen-storey plastic tent, were both part of the “Expo 67” World Fair. The first World Fair was in London’s Crystal Palace. Maybe I can sacrifice Windsor Station and Ruelle Palace if I can link Expo 67 to McGill…)
(Slappy, I don’t want to hear a word about the “tall-as-Jack-pine ones” or the Geodesic Gnome. Understand?  ;))

I’m quite interested in
Doctor Penfield
Avenue since
Goldilocks and the three bears
was first published in a collection called “The Doctor”, and Paracelsus, who seems to have invented
gnomes
, was also a doctor.
Legeater bottom right of the map, three bares / Redpath museum in the centre. If you stand top left…
…you can see this…
…or turn left and see this…
I’m a bit dubious about digging up the McGill University campus so I wondered if somewhere like this might be a better bet. I’d have thought a lamppost might be a likely landmark, given the legeater.
“…the Alven’s Treasure Stone…”
“…Treasures, which were stones like glass with fire inside it…”
Like a lightbulb maybe.

I reckon the three who stand watch, and the namesakes, are the
three bares
(named after the
three bears
). I think they’re here, not a million miles from the legeater.
This building is nearby.

WhiteRabbit,
Where is that “stair-step building” located?
It looks
extremely
similar to the image!
AP

Cheers AP – the three bares fountain (bottom right I think, not sure exactly where) is on the McGill University site, and there are several McGill buildings in the step-style in the area top left.
I’m trying to include Windsor station (15 stories), Eaton’s (checkered design), Mount Stephen Club (Rue Drummond, legeater) Place Ville Marie (Calendula flower / PVM square) Ruelle Palace and University St in some kind of path based on V2, but I’m not there yet. I think I’ll have to let a couple go.  😉
* * * * *
This page
talks about “The three bares outside the
Redpath Museum
” which can be seen bottom right.

My take on the box around the leg-eater is from a certain vantage point(such as a square hole in a wall to let water drain out of), what is inside the box is all you would be able to see. The rest of the image has to be shown so as to identify it easier (it only took 25 years to figure it out), but would have to extrapolate the parts outside the box from that vantage point to make the total omage complete. That’s the old guy’s take!

When I watched the Olympics in ’76 there were several images that were shown on screen continually through the games. And when I read Verse 5 toward the bottom:
To the south
White stone closest
the first thing I envisioned was this from my memory banks:
https://www.bigstockphoto.com/image-148 … -australia
Here is another perspective:
https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/montrea … 944863.jpg
What’s really interesting to me is that this is the first thing I thought of and, it also is my dig spot for my solve.

I like how this Image is for October, the jewel is an Opal and the location is Olympic Park.
What let me know I’m in the right area is that I have deciphered the PX7 Box in Image 9.
The 1976 Monteal Olympics had something happen that had never happened in the games before when it came to scoring. Today the scoring is completely different for gymnastics but back then the highest score you could receive was a 10, otherwise known as a “Perfect 10”.
Nadia Comaneci
http://www.bing.com/images/search?view= … ajaxhist=0
Nadia was the darling of the games when she became the first person to ever score a
Perfect 10
in Olympic competition. The event was the uneven bars. This is important because when you look at the PX7 Box in Image 9 you will notice a bar across the top and the bottom of the box (uneven bars).
The letter “P” means Perfect
The “X” means 10
So you ask, what does the 7 mean? During the course of the Games, Nadia recorded 7 – Perfect 10s
PX7 Box tells me the casque is in Olympic Park not too far from the white stone with the Olympic rings.

Yeah, the Olympic village is the reason for the shape of the collar.
I’m still trying to figure out what the animal is in the profile of the hat. I thought at first that it could be the Golden Lion Tamarin that is in the Biodome but those arrived after the casque was buried. I just wonder if it was somewhere else before the Biodome, perhaps a zoo. Or maybe there is another well known primate in the area of the Olympic Park. Do we have any living in Quebec that could answer that question?

So, playing along, is this the flower in the photo?

Does the month in other solves come intomplay?

The flower is a calendula, or common marigold. It’s the birthflower of October (which goes with the “X,” which goes with the opal, which goes with the Dutch).
To my knowledge the month / birthstone / birthflower theme is completely irrelevant to the solves, except for that mention of “wonderstone’s hearth” in V8. Maybe someone can correct me on that.
And wow, anash – I wasn’t aware of the parks layer in Google Earth. As if Google Earth weren’t useful enough already! I use it every day.
fox – that’s what talkin’ ’bout! Keep those gears churning.

OH NO!!!
I just had a flash of a thought and I can’t get it out my head now. So I’m gonna give it to everyone else too…
Someone a lot further up this discussion mentioned the guys right hand in the same pose at the Statue of liberty…To go with that I thought all the chequered patterns may relate to New York taxi cabs…..(or did I read that further up too??)
I know I shouldn’t but I can’t keep these brainwaves in anymore…LOL
Adrian

Just trying to help the Maryland arguement
with the Balck Eyed Susie…state flower
another Gold and Black flower.
I didn’t think the month had much to
do with the solve.  Just ckecking.
Most if not all NY cabs are solid yellow.
Checkered is the name of the people who
run them.  And that being said, not really
a unique thing to NY.
Now if we qanted to talk about gypsie
cabs and the Lincoln monument…… (jk)

forest_blight

Playing With Numbers, Part II
3.
Now, we KNOW Image 9 is the “Dutch” picture, so what does Baltimore have to do with the Dutch? Perhaps as much as Image 4 had to do with the Greeks – that is, not very much, unless the burial spot has something to do with Dutch immigration or culture. I don’t know much about Maryland.

Wow, really like those.  Now, how bout something like this.  P4 was the Greek/Hellas theme.  Now, there really isnt a large greek population in Cleveland but the casque was found in the Greek Cultural Garden.
Therefore; maybe there isnt a large dutch contingency in Baltimore but maybe we should be looking for something more like:
http://cityguide.aol.com/baltimore/bars … yer=venues
Sure that isnt the right thing but just the idea I am trying to convey.

HuH?

Sorry me again…..The NY thing has really got me going again…
How about that black shape next to the cloven hoof again…
Checkered….taxi…NY….and a gap between the hulls at the bottom…I know I must stop this
Adrian

I don’t think that water taxi was around in 82′.

OK…OK…I’ll get off the St. Louis train…LOL
Found a page of (maybe) useful old images of Baltimore parks…enjoy!!!
http://uk.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9ibyJOPRxFEnUwADbxWBQx./SIG=1218bn4f9/EXP=1142069519/**http%3a//www.mdhs.org/library/Z24BaltParks.html
EDIT: I love picking up the batton on these things….How about: (checking on Google Earth (with parks layer turned on)) The shape of the small lake in Druid Hill Park is almost identical to the outline of the guys neck and collar…
Hmmmmm may be on to something now…
Adrian

Could the St. Louis logo represent the St. Lawrence river flowing into Lake Saint-Louis, Montreal?
http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&bav=on … CB8Q8gEwAA

Also, note…
the colors of the practice/workout saddles for Bob Baffert. (long time trainer)
http://horseracing.about.com/library/gr … pointg.jpg
These would be used on non-race conditions by the grooms for his horses.

I’M Back
!
Pagoda Circle is another place in Forest Park that could match Verse 6. Look at the way the hands are folded. Could this be a representation of the World’s Fair Pavilion or the Pagoda at Pagoda Circle?!
Soon I will E-Mail Verses 3, 6 and 10 along with this Image to the St. Louis Parks Department to see if they can help. The Image definately indicates St. Louis and Forest Park one of thoes three verses matches it.
This Casque may be findable. Even though alot has changed in the park over the years it does not look as though alot of paveing has been done and detailed accounts of all changes have been kept. This should enable us to easely recreate the park as it was in  ’81 on paper and find the casque.

Trohn

sounds like you are attempting to fit the image with the theory…
‘two indexed fingers crossed’ = cross, steeple, church
‘the middle finger bent’ (not turning the book at all) = hill.

Scottrocks –
“Look at the way the hands are folded”
See below.
This one is not St Louis.  (But I beat a dead horse)
Give this one a few more weeks and we’ll see about my theories.
(As long as permission is granted)

Pretty exciting.  This checkerboard area in Stanley Park Vancouver BC is directly adjacent to the parking lot that takes you to the miniature train No.374 of the CPR which is a very good associating reference to Lord Stephens, which directly associated with our precious legeater lamp.
I’m even excited to see the usual criticism that may or may not follow.
Seriously, how do these images work?  We know with image 4 the columns and wall are plainly seen as one would experience at the entrance to the Grecean Gardens.  I think that’s a sure sign you are very close to a casque.  It works that way in image 12 with the fence near the center of the image.  The sloped shoulders and steps and checkers all work here in Vancouver.

This is simply badass.
The amphitheater beneath the shelter has the dimensions I’ve outlined with red lines, only goes 3 high so it’s not an exact match to those drawn on the man’s decollage.  The shoulder lines really fit the roof pattern well and the three giant checkerboards are directly beneath it which ALSO matches the image in relative abstract.
Here’s a different angle on the shelter, amphitheater, checkerboards:

erexere

I have some new details to share soon about the Vancouver BC spot.  I’m trying to find a good image of the outdoor storage closet for the checker pieces.  Looking from the road you can only see a tiny piece of it through the trees.  It looks like it’s about 18-20 steps away from the giant checkerboards.  I turned to see the other side of the road from that spot and it had this:
I’m not familiar with that kind of sign.  Does anyone know what it means?

According to Ontario traffic manual, it (WA-8) warns vehicular traffic of road termination.
… if only this puzzle was as easy.

erexere

I have some
new
details to share soon about the Vancouver BC spot.  I’m trying to find a good image of the outdoor storage closet for the checker pieces.  Looking from the road you can only see a tiny piece of it through the trees.  It looks like it’s about 18-20 steps away from the giant checkerboards.  I turned to see the other side of the road from that spot and it had this:
I’m not familiar with that kind of sign.  Does anyone know what it means?

According to Ontario traffic manual, it (WA-8) warns vehicular traffic of road termination.
… if only this puzzle was as easy.

maltedfalcon

45.5081° N, 73.5550° W
Montreal, Coordinates
In the pictures you just posted I see
73 and 46

Actually falcon…your 46 could as easily be a 45, with the already in place outline of the flower filling in the bottom of my 5 and making it your 6.

The hands, the hands….
The negro jockey…..
the place were jewels abound….
ABC this Saturday, 5:00pm…

Yes, it will be great to have a partner in this adventure. Not sure if i’ll go this weekend because of the rain but i’ll let you know ! You can write me in private so we can share our contact info maybe ?

Hi again,
I find this new interpretation interesting, I would love to see those places with my eyes.
I’m new to Montreal and even new to this continent, I just landed from Europe less than a month ago. That’s also why I’ve just lurked from afar never getting inside the discussions, it was meaningless to me trying to decipher something in a place I though I could have never seen in person. But here I am, I know very few things about the lines and my English is not that good to understand them all. But I really would like to take a little part in this adventure, even if it was just for a day.
@erexere, I’ll keep my eyes open for that shape, maybe there’s a cut tree near the location chouin_dav is pointing out.
@chouin_dav, I don’t want to be rude and auto invite me, so I won’t take offence if you just decline, but would you want some company for your exploration this week end? I’ll be busy for part of the Sunday but will be free on Saturday and Sunday evening. I’m new in town and know nothing. I speak French. Well, not Quebecois but it’s still something!
Let me know =)
Cheers!

Just another remark about Image 9 verse 5.
Born of ancient dreams of flight
There’s 2 bridges to access Ile Ste-Helen and Ile Notre-Dame. Jacques-Cartier Bridge but it’s the other one that’s interesting. Pont de la Concorde (Concord bridge in english i guess). Concorde, just like the Concord type of plane.
This bridge was built in 1965 especially to provide a new path to access the islands from downtown to Expo67 activities.
https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Pont+de+la+Concorde,+Montr%C3%A9al,+QC/@45.5081163,-73.5368792,16.54z/data=!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x4cc91ae4b67f3bbf:0xe92e773bd6ff025!2sPont+de+la+Concorde,+Montr%C3%A9al,+QC!3b1!8m2!3d45.5074129!4d-73.5353629!3m4!1s0x4cc91ae4b67f3bbf:0xe92e773bd6ff025!8m2!3d45.5074129!4d-73.5353629

Another clue that
MIGHT
point to Vermont is the well established “73” formed by the hair on the right side of the figure( the figure’s left side). The “73” observation has also been mentioned elsewhere on this board.  For instance, the longitude of Burlington, Vermont is 73 degrees and 9 minutes west of the prime meridian. Burlington Vermont is located on the “shoreline” or coast of Lake Champlain, so it may be possible that the casque is located in that general area.  Does anybody see a “44”, which is the latitude of Burlington?

I think what I meant (had brain freeze) was a port city.  Burlington, I suppose, could be considered a port city so it looks like we have another place to start exploring.
I am a tad leary with this though….seeing as the found casques were in Chicago & Cleveland and the most likely targeted areas are Houston, San Francisco, Milwaukee, etc….  Dont know if I would rate Burlington with any of these well known places.

I think this is the pic that matches verse 11, which we just figured out was North Carolina.  The town right nearby is called Nags Head.  The horse’s foot and strange head in this pic seems to be a match.  There is even “Old Nag’s Head Road” in Kill Devil Hill, where the treasure is apparently buried.  Let’s do some more searching in this picture.
The musical note could refer to their friend “Octave.”

Here is my take on this image and how it indicates STL. Start with the hat. An outline of Missouri as it borders illinois is on the right side of the hat. The checkerboard hat and the other checkerboard image was at one time across the street from the park entrance. The fact that the jewel is in the hat is likely saying to take this entrance into the park to find the casque. When the image is turned upside down the lower checker board pateren reveals the Jewel Box which is in the park. The Jewel Box was likely the park confirmer and not the area of the casque.
There are two reasons the jewel box are is not the location first hh colud not have gotten into the Jewel Box even back then to burie a casque and most of the area in and around the Jewel Box then as now was a flower garden and none of the verses and paticularly the three likely verses seen to fit the area.
The STL Arch was hidden in the image but culd have easilly been missed. The unbuttoned part of the shirt is the STL courthouse. These two were the city confirmers. The dogleg was likely a reference to the worlds fair pavilion. To eliminate Montreal all together do some research to confirm that no checkarboard pateren existed anyplace a casqu may have likely been.
The last clue and likely the most important is the hands the hands are likely crude representations of one of these three: The Worlds Fair Pavilion, Pagoda Circle or the long palm shadow/bar that binds from verse 6. The fountain found at the toe of the dog leg is likely important too.
You all though must assume I am in wrong about Verse 6 and do all digging in Hamilton Square now though. I will work to find a match all three verses have historical references that should enable an exact match if they are understood.

a helpful link to images some need a little more
digging as they are not titled, in search type city
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/3143010

Unknown

Unknown:
At the place where jewels abound
Fifteen rows down to the ground

Unknown

Unknown:
Cowper’s Letters ought to be printed in letters of gold and ornamented with jewels of Heaven, Havillah, Eden, and all the countries where jewels abound.

I’ve asked Sly about those steps.
The fifteen-storey Gare Windsor (sovereign people) at the end of legeater alley (Rue Drummond) bears a familiar date.
(I think the book is riddled with deliberate overlaps and cross-references of this kind, and that the Sarmiento quote is one of them.)
Back to the park…
Only three stand watch. Watchdogs…? The park has three gates with these signs…
(Sly pointed out that dogs are man’s best friend.)
Re: in the middle of 21, I think there may be 21 of these fence panels along the Redpath side…asked him to count those as well…
Each panel has fifteen spikes or “fifteen rows down to the ground”…
I think this one is in the middle of twenty one.

WhiteRabbit,
I don’t know what you do for a living,
but it should be related to detective work or searching.
You are really good at it!
AP

OK, let’s head for the hills. I’ve noticed there’s another of those stepped-roof buildings on the edge of a discreet park which is closer to the legeater, on the edge of Parc du Mont-Royal. Whatever verse people prefer, maybe they can try it here. Legeater circled right, building circled left (actually the corner of Simpson/Penfield), cross shows the park. From the legeater, you could just go Drummond -> Penfield and you’re there. The building is the Trafalgar School for Girls. Like the hospital, the roof has five steps matching the collar.
Pics of the park.
North side…
East side…
South side…

OK, let’s head for the hills. I’ve noticed there’s another of those stepped-roof buildings on the edge of a discreet park which is closer to the legeater, on the edge of Parc du Mont-Royal. Whatever verse people prefer, maybe they can try it here. Legeater circled right, building circled left (actually the corner of Simpson/Penfield), cross shows the park. From the legeater, you could just go Drummond -> Penfield and you’re there. The building is the Trafalgar School for Girls. Like the hospital, the roof has five steps matching the collar.
Pics of the park.
North side…
East side…
South
side…

Is this our flower symbol?:
http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/53/5329.html
is quite similar & I’m thinking this is probably what Stern’s tattoo (now modified into a dragon) is.
now, how does a goat with a fish tail fit into the Elizabethan Gardens?

erexere

Does anyone recall or know exactly by what process ravel07 was led to find Montreal’s legeater?

This is the relevant page…
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=737&p=42831#p42831
Forest suggests a lat/long for Montreal. ravel07 says he lives there and offers to help. Three months later, he chances on the legeater while out for a walk.

no paper used in the wright flyer.
mostly linen and spruce

Perhaps this has been said before, but maybe when BP referred to “St. Louis” he slyly meant St. Louis Cathedral in New Orleans.  Maybe this is where we must get permission to dig.  I did not know where else to post this.

Perhaps this has been said before, but maybe when BP referred to “St. Louis” he slyly meant St. Louis Cathedral in
New
Orleans
.  Maybe this is where we must get permission to dig.  I did not know where else to post this.

ah yes, back to jackson square.

Jackson Square or City Park is the location of the New Orleans Casque. The key to finding the exact location is the mardi gras mask.

Jackson Square or City Park is the location of the
New
Orleans
Casque. The key to finding the exact location is the mardi gras mask.

I can see, when you flip the image left, the gazelle, if you wish, with a foot in its mouth. There’s also a DC in there.
Not trying to confuse, it’s just that the ankle, heel and even toes on the foot look so prominant to me.
just in case:
http://www.freewebs.com/boogieman13/page2.htm

Are you kidding? You are 2 blocks from the lamp post, and prefer to sleep?
All you need is a flashlight!

So tonight I’m staying at a hotel that’s TWO BLOCKS from the Mount Stephen Club in Montreal. Sadly I prolly won’t have a chance to visit our favorite lamppost, but I can feel the nearby presence of a casque, I just know it…

erexere

I still think this reminds me of the head and hat.

Yes it reminds me of it too, it has similarities,
So thats why we know it is wrong, since if it was correct it would be an exact match like a tracing
as are the other site confirmers in the found casque images.
But this is too thick and has to high of an arch.
So not a match.

I still think this reminds me of the head and hat.

Merlot Brougham

My main issue is this. I was born in 1981 and have lived in the same general area my entire life. When I look at the radical changes that have occurred here, I fear for the recovery of any cask that requires the counting of Birch trees that existed in the early 80s.

The answers are all in Milwaukee. AP and I found them…you gotta search for them. That however is a conversation for Verse 8 thread.

Sorry, I was posting that from work earlier today on break, so I didn’t have time to provide the full thesis. Here’s the scoop.
– Byron Preiss said there is a treasure in Canada.
– Image 9 is the only image not fairly narrowed down to a US City
– Many of the images feature an outline of the state or regional geography (Roanoke, Charleston, Manhattan, Ohio, Illinois, Florida, Golden Gate Park)
– It seems reasonable that Image 9 is likely to contain something similar, such as a pretty good eastern Quebec Border in addition to Montreal itself in his hat and the river/islands in his mouth.
– The legeater is an inarguable exact match and no other similar lamp post has been found in North America, and it was specifically custom made for that mansion, so it’s unlikely this was some stock mold and there are a legeaters all over the continent. I’ve spent
shitloads
of time on this specific angle,
not
using hamfisted research techniques like “HAY GUYZ, I just discovered The Secret and emailed Mr. Palencar for details…”
– The legeater was discovered in front of the Mount Stephen club before a lot of the “regional” clues were discovered in the image
– Extrapolating from what is likely a treasure ground clue, we can see what Preiss uses to guide you in, in the image.
– The gnomes right collar, our left, looks like a maple leaf.
– I fancy (and it might be a stretch) that his left collar, our right, is the top of a fleur-de-lis. Each collar representing the dichotomy of Anglo/Franco Montreal which also – might explain that weird ass “this is a mirror image” theory on the Oregonian wiki. I would suggest the same “theme” is being used in Image 12 with the Ishihara test and the notion of a blending of cultures. Eric, you wax philosophically all the time about Preiss’ mindset and what the fair folk were thinking. I would suggest they were thinking about living in peace and harmony amongst other cultures and what better city to put it in than Montreal, particularly in the early 80’s. The fair folk wanted peace, love, and devil’s lettuce (deliberate Oxford comma there).
– The Legeater in Image 9 is Inside of a Golden Square. The Lamp post legeater in front of the Mount Stephen Club is within the Golden Square Mile.
-Altough the lumps on the gnomes hat are an enigma, You can see that it is as close to an outline of the island of Montreal as the flipped Illinois in Image 5. Same goes for the gnomes Mouth.
-We can argue about the numbers and map coordinates hidden in the image, but the people arguing against Montreal are looking for a reason to have it not be in Montreal because the numbers are there. Even if you think the numbers are ambiguous, you have to do some serious mental gymnastics to get coordinates for anything in the Pacific Northwest out of Image 9.
– I can provide more detail with additional clues which I think put this cask firmly in Montreal if necessary.
Here’s my wild defection: Maybe we need to look at another verse.
I’m reconsidering the “fact” that Verse 10 is solid for New York. Why does he spell “grey” with an E? I’ve tried exploring the idea of the Grey Cup (the Canadian football league’s championship trophy).
Also, the Sarmiento quote in verse 2 that we link to New Orleans. He was talking about a hotel that was built to model St. Peter’s in Rome. The Cathédrale Marie-Reine-du-Monde adjacent to Dorchester Square, still within the Golden Square Mile, and breaking through the border, just like the legeater in image 9, is a scale Model of St. Peters. Dorchester Square also has the Boer War monument in it, which would serve as a connection to the Dutch theme of the image. I think maybe exploring some different verses is the direction to go rather than suggesting this cask is buried anywhere besides Montreal. Also, if you think his hands look like a Steeple and are looking at the religious theme, then why not connect it with the Cathédrale Marie-Reine-du-Monde?
A few things to think about. But yes, I think that is a hidden image of the province of Quebec in Image 9, which means it cannot be in Vancouver. Thus endeth the lesson.
P.S. Im using my extremely long and girthy e-peen to try and re-open the SA thread, which quite honestly provided quite a few of the more recent groundbreaking clues. And hopefully Xie will resurface and tell us what he has to say about the Boston hunt.

Unknown

Unknown:
Here’s my wild defection: Maybe we need to look at another verse.

Very nice analysis, MB. Thank you. However, there is very little doubt in my mind that we have the right Verse/Image pairings (and no doubt that we have the correct cities), so the statement quoted above is one of the few things on which we disagree. FWIW.

Euhirudinea

Very nice analysis, MB. Thank you. However, there is very little doubt in my mind that we have the right Verse/Image pairings (and no doubt that we have the correct cities), so the statement quoted above is one of the few things on which we disagree. FWIW.

I am largely agreed, but I leave the door open a tad bit is all. I think the general accepted theories are mostly spot on.
My main issue is this. I was born in 1981 and have lived in the same general area my entire life. When I look at the radical changes that have occurred here, I fear for the recovery of any cask that requires the counting of Birch trees that existed in the early 80s.

Merlot Brougham

– The legeater is an inarguable exact match and no other similar lamp post has been found in North America, and it was specifically custom made for that mansion, so it’s unlikely this was some stock mold and there are a legeaters all over the continent.

Actually I agree with 99% of your post except the above.
The Legeater was a stock item available in the company catalog as a lamp base, while you could mix and match post styles ,the legeater base was stock and “mass produced” at least as much as lamp posts are mass produced at a foundry at that time.
So yes I am actually surprised that after researching it we have only found the one.
I believe others existed at some point. but the question is , is this the one in the image. (I think so)
but I have always said finding this lamp base in another city would turn this image / verse on it’s head. and then all un-used verses would be up for grabs regardless of peoples pet theories.
though until we find another, it seems to me the image/city/verse combinations have been set quite firmly.

Her
hair? I see this person as a “he.” Now I wonder.
We’ve had gender ambiguity issues with P10, too.

Without a doubt that would be the ugliest woman I’ve ever seen portrayed in a painting. I think it’s a guy.
What about these numbers and letters on the other side?

I just always thought it was a gal . Maybe the real puzzle is the gender. lol.

I agree Shecrab , but they do exist. I’ve had to do double takes before because I wasn’t sure.

maltedfalcon

So while yes I think that might be a reference to Paul Revere, it isnt neccesarily a reference to the longfellow poem or any deeper than hey look Boston!

I think of it differently, it isn’t necessarily a reference to Paul Revere, but the poem from which those words of the hour and day were popularized.  Like the M and B were glimpse references to the full name inscriptions Mozart and Beethoven, I think the lines “Eighteenth day / Twelfth hour” are a similar glimpse reference to the full poetic piece.  M and B represented a site location in Chicago.  It seems the best thing to extract from the poem in terms of a site location is something callled Somerset.

Why Somerset?

In all of the poem, Somerset (the name of the Warship) happens to also be the name of the building that is across the street from the 2C’s.

Glossiphoniidae

Well, you are right.  Those are checkers on the floor.  I am not sure what to make of it.

Spinner–
How is everything?  Do you have any new ideas about this pic or St. Louis?  I am stumped.

Have we been able to attach a checkered pattern
to something common (or uncommon) at a site?
http://www.churchilldowns.com/visit_the … 32005.html
See the Millionaires Row photos and the common
‘pattern’ in front of the teller windows here.

Note: I’ve been very curious about a the Netherlands invovement in the Carribbean. Mainly the Dutch West Indies, but also the Danish West Indies. Both established settlement and trade in the West Indies in the early-mid 17th century.
One of the nuances in the pairing with verse 10 is the use of the word “Or” in the beginning of a couple lines. “Ore” are the coinage term for their “pennies” in Denmark. Ore are also a source for native metals. A Danish scientist and friend of Hans Christian Anderson was Hans Christian Orested. He was one of the first people to discover how to extract Aluminum from Ore (bauxite?).
Orested also discovered Piperine, an alkaloid found in peppers.
My theory as it happens to involve the giant checkerboards on Pipeline Road has me tempted to wonder if Piperine is a suitable gleichwort.

I’d love to inspect the sources of this recent publication on Hans Christian Andersen: European Witness, by Paul Binding. This Scooby-snack of a passage popped up in a Google search, (I was excited when I saw words like “shadow” and “giant”…*sigh*)

maltedfalcon

I think it simply represents a lamppost in montreal, but maybe I am being too simplistic…

I never said I didn’t…just that if it did represent something, the chimera fits better then the satyr.  I too believe that it is nothing more then a lamppost in downtown Montreal.

me too guys, i was just wondering “what if” …
but while i’m wondering, does anyone see anything on p. 167, the union jack, that looks like mount royal?  i mean, besides, the handkerchief that could be a mountain, and the tea cup with maple leaf.
maybe it’s a restaurant in mount royal that serves “tea”
look at this:
“Mount Royal Park was officially opened on Queen Victoria’s birthday, Wednesday, May 24, 1876. The opening ceremony on the mountain was preceded by a parade through the streets of Montréal.”
and on page 166 in the book, “The Union Jack finds maximum scope for his activities on such patriotic occasions as the Queen’s birthday…..”
i figure that monument i found of Olmsted is here:
“Olmsted  wished to preserve the natural charm of the mountain. The winding path he laid out, which today bears his name, was designed to allow people to discover the beauty of this natural space.”

fox

I never said I didn’t…just that if it did represent something, the chimera fits better then the satyr.  I too believe that it is nothing more then a lamppost in downtown Montreal.

Well I think it’s the symbol of the Great Etruscan land migration of 3502 BC. The predator eating the hooved mammal symbolizes the greater power of the universe swallowing up the minor life-forces of the inhabitants upon it.
1
So there.
1
Yes, this is facetious.

slappybuns

i haven’t given up on houston yet,

you should, there’s not 2 casques here…
and don’t say I haven’t found one.  No, don’t!
wilhouse

shecrab

Well I think it’s the symbol of the Great Etruscan land migration of 3502 BC. The predator eating the hooved mammal symbolizes the greater power of the universe swallowing up the minor life-forces of the inhabitants upon it.
1
So there.
1
Yes, this is facetious.

Actually now that you mention it. I see the connection. but you are mistaken it was 3501 BC

AARRRGH. I got it mixed up with the OTHER Great Etruscan Land MIgration!! I hate it when that happens!!

Merlot Brougham

I just wanted to throw this out there too. Phone posting at the moment so later I’ll try to find an image to do this idea justice, but I’ve held on to the notion that there may indeed be a (portion of)  a map of Quebec in this image.
It is represented by the entirety of his  “robe” on the left hand (our left) side of the image above his hands. If compared to a map, the flower would be the portion of Labrador that juts into Quebec (for lack of a better description). The robe along the checkerboard and the flower would be the eastern border of Quebec, the top of his right hand and arm are the southern border, etc
That would also help explain why his hands are positioned that way.  Don’t look at the hands, by themselves, look at how his hands affect the shape of the black area to make it into an outline of Quebec.
Just a thought.
Edit:

and his head is Montreal!

I didn’t see this brought upbut it’s worth mentioning, I heard Mount Stephen is going to be turned into a hotel.
SOmeone nearby should take pics before it changes more.

rookhunter

I didn’t see this brought upbut it’s worth mentioning, I heard Mount Stephen is going to be turned into a hotel.
SOmeone nearby should take pics before it changes more.

There are some good detailed pictures on wiki commons that show a lot of the recent construction to the back side of the building. As far as I know, the plans are for the front yard and street-facing facade to remain relatively unchanged. I think I put some of those pics up on the SA Secret wiki, but the SA wiki is being overrun at the moment.

If you drop down to this view you can see the corner wall where the narrow walkway meets the Esplanade. The twelve “paces” (steps) are just to your left and the “white stone” is across the lawn with the Olympic Rings.
https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5551113 … 312!8i6656
You’ll notice on the overhead view in the previous post that you can see a fence around this corner section and that it is being renovated in some way. The ground view hasn’t been updated to show the construction area so I don’t have a clue as to what is actually being done to my dig spot.

Is it known that BP’s”St. Louid” response was directly relating to johann’s use of this image, but unknown as to which verse?

In my opinion, this is by far the most important thread on this forum in terms of recoverable casks and us to apply the correct verses.. I’ll wait for the response to the question.

I saw that too. Maybe the casque is at the club. I still think there is enough ground there.

xlurker

I saw that too. Maybe the casque is at the club. I still think there is enough ground there.

that would suggest v-5………….Get permission To dig out.
i think it is just a confirmer to the general area, but could also mean close by,
if the other two, had the flower, real ,carved or any other type of look a like
near the casque site, and im not sure if this was the case in the 2 found

Well you know I am a proponent of the montreal caque because of the legeater.
But I want to point out, the legeater is an exact match and is basically inarguable, until a legeater is found elswhere,
the flower on the pillar is not an exact match. the petals on the pillar are even and perfect.
the flower in the picture has irregular petals and is not perfectly formed. and it has many centers rather than one dot.
So far site confirmers in the images have been perfect. I would say -not a match…

so malt have the flowers been used as a confirmer

not sure what your question is.
I was saying in cleveland the images that were local confirmers in picture, (fountain, columns, wall, etc…)
were exact representations.
Same thing with chicago, (statue, fixture, fence. etc..)
So I would expect if there were site confirmers in image 9, they would also be exact.
The flower in image 9 really does not match the flower on the column…
What did your question mean?

any current thoughts on a tie to a verse?

Cormac

of course there is the Legeater (lamp base) at the Mount Stephen Club‎, 1440 rue Drummond, Montreal

Here’s what I found today…that I had not seen… so forgive if it’s a re-post…
also at the Mount Stephen Club… a close-up of the columns behind the legeater lamp post….
What are the chances of the “legeater” and the flower being at the same place…

Turns out the picture was found with other pictures posted by one of our hunters…
didn’t realize it until after I posted…
so I’m sure it’s probably a repost….
but I still like it

Then again, in the Chicago find, the Water Tower (featured in the image) is nowhere near the treasure site.

But the Water Tower is a well known landmark, something that says “Chicago” – a city confirmer, not a site confirmer. You can’t look at the lamp base and think “Montreal.” It just feels more like a site confirmer to me. I wonder if there has been any new construction on an adjacent lot or block where once there was a park. Anyone have 25-year-old maps of Montreal handy?

(1.Lane)
Road, street, highway.
(2.Two Twenty Two)
220 x 2 = 440 (Maybe route NY440 , NJ440)
(3.You’ll see an arc of lights)
Possibly the Bayonne Bridge its the shape of a Arc and its route NY440 & NJ440 ) Or the Holland tunnel
(4.Weight and roots extended Together saved the site Of granite walls)
The Palisades Interstate Park Commission was created in 1900 by the states of New Jersey and New York to protect the cliffs of the Palisades, an internationally significant geological formation. Palisades Interstate Park, stretching 12 miles north of the George Washington Bridge, was dedicated in 1909. To further protect the Palisades, a narrow strip of land at the summit going west from the edge of the escarpment and running the length of the park, was purchased by John D. Rockefeller and donated to the Commission in 1933. Existing buildings along the summit were removed to return the tree line to its unbroken natural state, followed in 1948 by construction of the Palisades Interstate Parkway, complete with overlooks and service buildings, hidden from view among the trees. The parkway was completed in 1958, since which time the Palisades have stood pristine, surrounded on both the New Jersey and New York sides by some of the densest development in the world.
Hudson Palisades NY/NJ
(5.Wind swept halls)
maybe the George Washington Bridge
(6.Citadel in the night)
??Little Red Lighthouse In George Washington park (under the bridge)??
(7.A wingless bird ascended, Born of ancient dreams of flight)
Destiny was on Commander Frank Erickson ‘s side in December 1943 as he started the world’s first helicopter school at Floyd Bennett Field. Floyd Bennett Field only airfield with alot real Helicopter history.
Bennett Park is really close to the Little Red Lighthouse. Bennet park is build on the old Fort Washington (citadel)
(8.Beneath the only standing member, Of a forest)
?? ??
(9.To the south, White stone closest, At twelve paces , From the west side)
But there is a small white square tile in Bennett Park(The Highest natural point on Manhattan)
There is also a Fort Washington memorial in Bennett Park( Maybe this is 8, the white tile is a little to the south)
Painting clues
76 – 1776 Battle of Fort Washington
Fingers – Maybe the highest point (in Bennet park)
P 1 – President 1? George Washington
Locations:
http://i.imgur.com/eTBZNZp.jpg
Most people look for this one in Canada. I believe alot of Greeks traveled to Cleveland and Irish/Scots to Chicago, i’m from the Netherlands so for me it has to be somewhere in New York. (Canada is also not America thats also why i tried NY)Russians maybe in Chicago.

cobbelpot

Canada is also not America thats also why i tried NY

Hi cobbelpot – welcome to the forum…
For info, back in 2003, Preiss replied to an email asking about Canada by saying: “yes, there is a treasure in Canada”.
Another indicator for Canada is a lamppost in Montreal which is apparently depicted in this image, and has been found nowhere else.
That’s why Montreal is the current favourite for this image.
WR

Ok my mind has collapsed into a puddle….
anyway I read that as 82
but remember I know have permanent brain damage..

Unknown

Unknown:
The Montreal Lacrosse Club was a lacrosse club in the Canadian city of Montreal, Quebec. The Club is notable in the history of lacrosse as it was responsible for establishing the first set of written rules of the game

…fair enough, could be one or two…a lot of the numbers in the book are pretty ambiguous. At the moment I suspect this legeater is the right one though, with trains and George Stephen part of some trail.
The Montreal connection seems to fit. Originally called “
City of Mary
“.
Marigold
(Calendula) likewise comes from Mary.
When I first saw this pic, the chessboard cloak and the pious look made me wonder if he was a bishop. Considering the X, been thinking about
Brebeuf
and
Lacrosse
, which he apparently named from the resemblance of the racquet to a bishop’s crozier.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Lacrosse_Club
(Someone mentioned sand.
Sandford
was another CPR croney.)

My feeling is the legeater represents a few things: 1) Lord Stephens close connection to something, 2) the foot of something tall (long), and 3) a cougar eating a ruminant.
The blob doesn’t seem directly relevant to the legeater in Montreal, so it poses another layer of complication and I really have no idea what it represents.  The border around the bulk of the legeater is very similar to the Vancouver sculpture, Gateway to the Northwest Passage, while displaying that similarity in the slanted break where the leg crosses the border of the square, (this assumes the Latitude of 49 rather than 46 and a Longitude of 123).
Edit: maybe the blob resembles something about the H.R. MacMillan Space Centre next to the the Vancouver Museum and the Gateway to the Northwest Passage sculpture.  H.R. MacMillan has something to do with a famous tourist spot called Cathedral Grove.

Let’s not forget the Legeater on the painting is in a golden square and that legeater was found in a notable house inside an area called the Golden Square Mile. That’s just too big a coincidence.

I thought carefully about your New York suggestion, Egbert. I like this theory a lot, but I am not sure I agree with it. Still…
Let’s consider only the latitude and longitude information, with only Montreal and New York City as contenders. The 74th parallel splits Manhattan into two parts, and is an “enclosing” longitude for Montreal, so we can expect there to be a 74. Sure enough:
Now there is ambiguity about the 73 vs. 75. If we find a 75, this would be evidence in favor of New York, since 75 is not an enclosing longitude for Montreal. Unfortunately, there is a very clear 73 in our guy’s hair:
…and no evidence of a 75. So if this is New York, the longitudes would rule out some places we have strongly considered before (Verazzano, Ellis Island, Battery Park…). So in choosing between Montreal and New York, we may have to rely on latitudes. The enclosing latitudes for Montreal are 45 and 46, and for New York they are 40 and 41. I can’t see evidence of a 45, but one could argue that there is a 46:
On the other hand, this same image could be the 40, and you could argue that this could be a 41:

FB, you are leaving out the 39 in his hairline on the forehead.  That is very clearly a number there.  If that is a coordinate, then that kicks out Montreal.
Plus, I think the intro to the book itself makes this the NY picture.  It’s the Dutch.  It’s the Netherlands.  It’s the Opal.  It’s the month of October – roman numeral X.  The only reason I see to link this to Canada is that legeater lamp that someone happened to run across.  Nothing else really suggests Canada.  For all we know, John Jude Palencar ran across that legeater in some picture, and decided to use it in this Image to symbolize something else.  I immediately thought of some type of rebus, like “dog leg,” but it could be naming something that we have not figured out yet.
It appears that all of the Images have some type of site confirmer in the Image, but we have yet to find one here.  The legeater could be one, but the Montreal lamp is probably not unique.  We just haven’t found another one yet in NY.
I am not thrilled with saying those runes are the number 74.  It just seems like “too much trouble” to do that to a number, and have it only mean 74.  I think those symbols mean something else.  As for the Statue of Liberty’s hands, I see it is not an exact match now, but maybe John Jude Palencar did not have as good a picture to copy from at the time.  It IS pretty much an exact match if you only look up to the first knuckle on each finger.
WhiteRabbit, I see the NY references, but those are also not exact.  The Chrysler building in the waves is a stretch. You did not mention the bird on the Chrysler Building, which also is close, but not exact.  I hadn’t heard about Shore Road Park before, but it looks like a backwards map.  I don’t think BP would go that far (although didn’t he do that in Image 1?  I don’t remember now).  Liberty’s face is the main thing in that Image which makes everyone think of NY.  However, I go back to the book’s intro, which I believe talks about the Russian immigration.  I can easily see the Russians landing in Vancouver.  That part of Canada is near Russia.  The onion domes are probably a Russian Orthodox Church.  Erexere, you are probably closest to Vancouver – go take a trip and look around!
Sorry if I am going over old clues, but there are just too many pages to review these days, and I have been away for awhile.  Also, it probably helps the hunt to put all of the pieces together and look at the overall picture that we have.  For example, I think we have knocked out St. Louis at this point, despite the peculiar email from BP that seemed to imply that one was buried there.  However, he did impress me as an “absent minded professor” type.  Perhaps he just did not remember correctly, or maybe he had considered St. Louis but decided not to bury one there.  He gave me the wrong jewel.  He found $25,000 in savings bonds that he forgot that he had in the vault.  He couldn’t find the solutions in the vault!  It took him nearly a year to find the key to the vault.  His instructions in the verse for Cleveland were backwards.  I am not sure how much weight to give to his St. Louis email.  I see the 12 cities as San Francisco, Charleston, Kill Devil Hill, Cleveland, Chicago, St. Augustine, New Orleans, Houston, New York, Milwaukee, Boston, and Vancouver.  Goodbye St. Louis, Montreal, Baltimore, Portland, Philadelphia, and Salt Lake City.
PLEASE feel free to criticize, chime in, etc.  This is just 1 person’s opinion (mostly based on the intro in the book).
I enjoy being back in the threads active again, but darn it, it’s such a time waster!

My 2 cents on this Image.  This guy has been pegged for Montreal, St. Louis, Maryland, and a couple of other sites.  However, it is pretty clear to me that this is New York.  The evidence:
1.  This thread is 100 pages long because of all of the possibilities.  I have tried to go back and find the image, but somewhere, someone posted the striking resemblance between the man’s right hand and the Statue of Liberty’s right hand holding the torch.  I think it was Malted Falcon or Forest Blight.  He is definitely doing something with his hands, and that is the only logical explanation that I can see.  It is a dead match.
2.  This is the Dutch picture.  “The Opal of the Lowland Gnomes:  A cloud of shining, shifting smoke.”  The roman numeral X stands for October, the 10th month.  The Dutch came and settled in New York.  It was originally called “New Amsterdam, New Netherlands.”  “Netherlands” is where the Dutch are from, and it literally means “low lands.”
3.  Byron Preiss was born in Brooklyn.  He died while vacationing in East Hampton, New York, which is not that far away.  It would be impossible for me to believe that a book based on immigration would not have a treasure buried in the same State as Ellis Island.  The book itself talks about the immigration to New York.  (Just for kicks, check out Three Mile Harbor near East Hampton.  It looks a lot like the neckline in Image 9.
http://goo.gl/maps/9b0hc
).
4.  Looking at coordinates, there is a 73 in his hair that is pretty clear.  That could be a coordinate for NY.  The musical note/number in the flower could also be a 40, which gets you to NY.  You could also see a 39 in the hair on his forehead.
That’s what I have for now.  I was trying to match the top right of his hat to a coastline, but there are millions of ins and outs in the New York area coastline.  The dogleg – still unknown.  I know we found one in Montreal, but guys and gals – this is the New York picture!
There are many parts of this Image which are still unexplained.  I think the large part of the brown collar – the one on the left side of the Image – is definitely a clue to something.  There is an S or a 5 in his hair, near the 73.  Even the lines on his face could be outlining something.  The “runes” (for lack of a better word) near the roman numeral X obviously mean something.  I initially thought that is refers to golf.  The left symbol looks like a flag, and the right symbol could indicate hole number 7.  “Dogleg” is a golf term.  Just thought I’d put all this out there.  I think the Canadian casque is Image 12, and is in Vancouver, for what that’s worth.

Egbert

The Dutch came and settled in New York.  It was originally called “New Amsterdam, New Netherlands.”  “Netherlands” is where the Dutch are from, and it literally means “low lands.”

Unknown

Unknown:
Consider a group of those frugal Lowland Dwarves, the Alven, hovering, invisible, and observing in economic agony while their old friends the Canarsie tribe traded Manhattan Island for a handful of trinkets! (Could it be that they believed Peter Minuit’s glass baubles possessed the same worth as the Alven’s Treasure-Stone?)

Unknown

Unknown:
The Hurons competed with the Iroquois for the Dutch and French fur trade.

The introduction mentions this connection…
…though having said that, it also mentions the Canadian connection.
I like the 39/40/73 coords.
As for the hand, I’m not sure…the finger is similar, but, that’s what a crooked finger looks like.
In a head-to-head Statue of Liberty contest, Image 12 surely has a better claim.
I still like the Chrysler as well…
…and Shore Road Park.
Then there’s the incontrovertible dogleg.
But, Image 9 wins on coords. I’ll give you that.  😉

when in the found casques images we find exact matches. we can surmise that JJP had a methodology for transferring the exact image he wanted to his paintings. whether he traced it projected slides, or xeroxed things is immaterial, The point being he used extremely close likenesses in his painting.
To say he generalized to avoid obfuscations is a bit oxymoronic. you specify to avoid obfuscations, generalizing adds obfuscation.
Sounds more like you’re thinking with your Pinot Noir…

You shouldnt see it as a matter of generalization, even though it is less specific in detail to aim only for simlarity.  My point is to consider if the likeness is close enough and less like anything else in the region.
The plaque below looks like it has a round green jewel in the bottom centervbelow the text.  Perhaps a similarity to the top centered opal or pearl in the hat.

Instead of assuming this one is different than the others perhaps we should just assume that is because it is the wrong region.

Well, don’t swing your gavel lke the god of thunder just yet.  you should adjust the size of the green ouline to 110% and rotate the lobe just to the right of top center by 100 degrees instead of 90.  I think it fits much better.
Also, I really like the idea that a grey giant is tree.  I’m not sure his Lumbermans Arch is really grey, but t does cast a shadow over the path it extends.  A more playful thought is that a foot has an arch and a fairytale kind of giant would have feet with arches of this kind of proportion.

I’m troubled by the idea that an “X” could match up to nearly anything. My best attempt to refine the idea is as follows,
1) the Roman numeral “10”,
2) an intersection (wide street intersecting narrow street/path),
3) a sign in Stanley Park referring to the Native Tribe name for the land as “XwayXway”,
4) or anything else that looks like an X and may be associated with a P and a 7, such as parking lot 7, or the variation from 180 rotation, PL, d7, or dL.
5) an X could mean “bones” as in skull and cross bones.

Well here’s what i have found in Montreal so far. I am inclined to believe this image is like the Milwaukee treasure, where you have to walk throught the city.
The X
checkered pattern
Trying to find that strange shape next to the leg eater. could be a building or fixture.

I think this is what White Rabbit means
A
wingless bird ascended
B
orn of ancient dreams of fligh
B
eneath the only standing member
O
f a forest
T
o the south

white rabbit, what do you mean by “abbot in the initials” ?

Another V5 / Abbot idea –
“At twelve paces” sounds like a duel. There was a
notable duel in 1819
which was connected with the beginnings of the
Montreal General Hospital
.
It was established in 1819, then opened for the second time at a different location in 1822 (“two twenty two”).
Maude Abbott
trained there (she was a relative of John Abbott), and was involved with some anatomical object called the “Holmes heart” – see
here
. It’s not a million miles from the Mount Stephen Club; it’s further west, towards the Parc du Mont Royal.

lucky you cw0909!  maybe seeing a place where a casque was found will give you some insight to BP’s thinking.
Thanks for the milage of the found casques.
i looked at your map for girouard park and it said the real name is Notre Dame-de-Grace Park.  our old man in the image could be a woman and she could be saying grace

Bowman picture
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e … Indian.jpg
Yes… much more exact
I really think that researching 2 locations is not a waste of time.
Start 2 new posts…  Image 9 Montreal Possibilities    and  Image 9 St Louis Possibilities…
The real wast of time is arguing about anything when we really know nothing.
We have some good ideas both ways… no reason not to keep looking.

Of course the other things are all debatable until the cows come home…
the real question I wanted an answer to was:
Why should we quit looking in Montreal? In what way does looking in Montreal, limit or impede looking in St Louis?

right thats why i posted this link, it is the only real checkerboard ive found in montreal
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=45.4728055&lo … =0&m=a&v=2

Oh heavens…I don’t care where anyone looks. It’s not my personal belief, but it matters not at all to me if someone else believes it’s there….and can show me.
Checkerboards don’t have to be reality–they can be symbolic. The most symbolic checkerboard I’ve seen is in St. Louis—the Purina logo. Other people have other ideas.
I should have added this to my other post, but forgot.

Here are a couple of Montreal ideas I found.
Looking at the right side of the shirt the bent collar makes a similar shape to that of the Island of Montreal
of course there is the Legeater (lamp base) at the Mount Stephen Club‎, 1440 rue Drummond, Montreal
now here is a long shot….
Looking at his hands we get the idea of a church…    his hands in the “here is the steeple” pose…
so I looked into churches near the Legeater
Only a few blocks away is The Church of Saint Andrew and St Paul
which is the regimental church of The Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment) of Canada.
Rue Sherbrooke Ouest at rue Redpath, Montréal, QC
corner of Sherbrooke and Redpath
Here is the badge of The Black Watch of Canada…
note the Oval shape like that of the Opal in his hat…
note the X shape like that on his broach…
note the Step shape like that on the neckline of his coat…
even the squares (though not checkers) like the squares on his coat.
then note a nearby park with the markings much like the hashmarks (for lack of a better word) above the Step shape on the neckline of the coat
then note a view from that very park from near the lake … the building seen overtop the trees…
(Lac des Castors, Mont-Royal, Montreal…. my guess is the Oratoire St-Joseph)

shecrab

Oh heavens…I don’t care where anyone looks. It’s not my personal belief, but it matters not at all to me if someone else believes it’s there….and can show me.
Checkerboards don’t have to be reality–they can be symbolic. The most symbolic checkerboard I’ve seen is in St. Louis—the Purina logo. Other people have other ideas.
I should have added this to my other post, but forgot.

i know that is the first thing i thought of when i saw pic
then the legeater showed up, im still looking for one in STL
but looking in montreal also for more clues
still looking at blob also, blob seems to go with that legeater
have been on the thought ,blob is a fountian and has a legeater in, on around,
or maybe  the blob represents someother type of structure

ravel07

cw0909: I’m all for hearing new ideas and I’d be happy to look at possible locations in Montreal. However, I think we need to focus the search a little bit more. The legeater was found in the heart of downtown Montreal, and that makes sense if there is a treasure in Mtl: Preiss wouldn’t have buried a treasure in a remote part of the city. So I think we should focus on downtown Montreal instead of finding things all over the city. For instance, parc Notre-Dame de Grâce is not at all close to the legeater (not within walking distance, anyway), and I highly doubt that Preiss would’ve gone in that part of the city. So unless we find additional clues, I’m not going to make a trip out there.
As for the club, didn’t someone already ask them about the legeater? I’m pretty sure it’s on this thread, and I remember the club saying that they didn’t have any information about it. If I’m wrong and nobody actually asked them, then I’ll be happy to go there on a Sunday and get some info.

ravoel07, in cleveland the terminal tower is in the heart of downtown cleveland, yet it was buried
4.2 miles away …i drove it today from st clair 2 blocks north of tower, and doing a google map check i got,
miles by car for the below
chicago art institute…  grant park  1.3 mile
milwaukee city hall…  lake park east newbury  2.9 miles
Girouard Park, NDG Rue Sherbrooke Montréal….  drumond  4.5 miles
checkerboard link
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=45.4728055&lo … =0&m=a&v=2
im thinking it is worth a look, as there is a fountian there also
3-4 miles does not seem remote to me, and i dont think he walked to any of the sites
sorry no time for pics, here in cleve
thanks ravel07 for your reply

Still convinced it is Lousiville.

Egbert

Here is the latest info from someone in the architecture business (perhaps someone can try and track down the info he suggests):
I realize you have been thinking about this for some time but your best
chance in locating additional lamps of same design lie in tracking down the
vendor through the one architect/building you have found. Many historic
buildings have a well documented list of vendors for such items and of
course, many do not.
I will let you know if I come across anything similar.
Ps. It is a decorative cast iron foot or base for a lamp…while it is
impossible to know, such details could be combined with other elements to
make a foot for many other types of products, we often do this in our work.
Respectfully,
Doug Bracken
President
Wiemann Ironworks
2620 E 11th St
Tulsa, OK 74104
USA
918-592-1700 EXT.12
918-592-2385 Fax
918-740-0960 Cell
www.wiemanniron.com

Can anyone in the Montreal area check out the local building department, and see what you can find out about this building?  You may be able to view the blueprints/plans, and it may indicate on the plans what the name of the legeater lamppost is.  At the very least, it will have the name of the architect or builder, and we can perhaps write or call that company and ask them about the lamppost.  It should not be too difficult to do this.
Let’s go people!  We have a major clue!

Egbert

Here is the latest info from someone in the architecture business (perhaps someone can try and track down the info he suggests):
I realize you have been thinking about this for some time but your best
chance in locating additional lamps of same design lie in tracking down the
vendor through the one
architect
/building you have found. Many historic
buildings have a well documented list of vendors for such items and of
course, many do not.
I will let you know if I come across anything similar.
Ps. It is a decorative cast iron foot or base for a lamp…while it is
impossible to know, such details could be combined with other elements to
make a foot for many other types of products, we often do this in our work.
Respectfully,
Doug Bracken
President
Wiemann Ironworks
2620 E 11th St
Tulsa, OK 74104
USA
918-592-1700 EXT.12
918-592-2385 Fax
918-740-0960 Cell
www.wiemanniron.com

Can anyone in the Montreal area check out the local building department, and see what you can find out about this building?  You may be able to view the blueprints/plans, and it may indicate on the plans what the name of the legeater lamppost is.  At the very least, it will have the name of the
architect
or builder, and we can perhaps write or call that company and ask them about the lamppost.  It should not be too difficult to do this.
Let’s go people!  We have a major clue!

Fox,
Not A problem . I am doubting the horses too. The other side the legs are standing and going the correct way , or the horse would fall , I t’s the whole when the Adams Mark was there . It was another Hotel , but I can’t even Get the same year From the Corporate offices, So now am startin to doubt it all. I’m still convinced though it is in this area Of the Gateway mall. Just this horse being the Legeater . For now . , Until I can get an exact year on this .

Fenix

Perhaps the arrangement of the hands is indeed sign language but possibly Quebec or French sign language……too far out?
Fenix

and I’m reaching .

looking at the horse pic again, I just am not convinced.  It still doesnt look EXACT to me.  even if the same “figure” is on both sides of the leg, the leg still would not be going the right way…..actually, you couldnt have the “figure” on the right side of the leg for perspective since it would be underneath the horse itself.  The leg is also not correct…the P leg does not have it’s hoof pointing up.  This just doesnt do it for me…..forgive my skepticism.
For now {yes I have been proven wrong in the past} I think the most logical area would be Forest Park.

….or Montreal.  No, St louis.  No, Montreal.

CMSCHUT

Not A problem . I am doubting the horses too. The other side the legs are standing and going the correct way , or the horse would fall , I t’s the whole when the Adams Mark was there . It was another Hotel , but I can’t even Get the same year From the Corporate offices, So now am startin to doubt it all. I’m still convinced though it is in this area Of the Gateway mall. Just this horse being the Legeater . For now . , Until I can get an exact year on this .

Carol – often dates can be reconstructed fairly easily from old telephone directories. Large local libraries typically keep old phone books, sometimes stretching back several decades. You can look for the first year that Adam’s Mark is listed as occupying that address.

Very funny…thanks for the assets

People see manatees in the water in Image 12.
People see sailing ships in daisies in Image 6.
People see numbers in hair in most of the images that look like swiggles to me.
In image 9, the background is one third of the image, I do not think it is
inconceivable that an in your face clue is there – other wise, what is the point
in making the background a gradually changing shade of browns.  (artistic license?)
I see the black line drawing, I have posted my findings, I did not expect universal
lauding – it would cause too many theories to come into question.
For those who haven’t looked, look at your book with the naked eye.
The ‘blacked stenciled jockey on horse’ is at ‘two-o’clock’ in the image in the lighter
tan section of the background.  Just below and between the two white posts –
that may also be there RANDOMLY!!  (geez)

my daughter sees those two white posts as the ears of a horse with a bridle look slightly to the right.
I see it too, but I think its just a printing artifact.

maltedfalcon

my daughter sees those two white posts as the ears of a horse with a bridle look slightly to the right.
I see it too, but I think its just a printing artifact.

If you see it differently than I, so be it, no problem.
If you dismiss it as the bathroom floor spinning uncontrollably with
furry bugs – you’ve got more issues than a twenty-five year old treasure hunt can solve.

We had lineoleum on the floor of my bedroom when I was a child that was a floral pattern, small, with brown and green flecks and an occasional pink flower center. Over the years, I was convinced there were small pink bugs crawling on the floor of my room–as in a jungle. If I squinted my eyes in a certain way, I could imagine that the floor turned inside out–and became the forest canopy above my head, and the bugs crawling were then pink birds moving from tree to tree. It’s not that the patterns weren’t THERE–it’s what I made of them that was the significant thing. The longer I stared, the more varied it became.
I do not believe these are deliberate artifacts. I am a painter, an artist–and I know that in any random swirl of paint, or any collection of artist’s pastel on pebble-textured paper, some pigment will collect in a way that suggests something ELSE–other than a brushstroke or pencil-stroke, or shadow. I have done this myself–with watercolors, with pencils, with pastels, with oil or acrylic paints. It happens. It’s never deliberate. It’s sometimes interesting and sometimes even disturbing. I accidentally “painted” a face in a window once. That was a bit freaky.
But the bottom line is that it’s not deliberate.
The original art work, whether painted or drawn, was not meant to be viewed with a magnifying glass to glean clues. There is enough mystery in the fully-visible objects in the painting. Neither Cleveland nor Chicago casque required this sort of intense detection.
Whoever said it was correct–they just didn’t have the sort of technology available and ready to use in 1981 that would have made it possible to see such things. It would have HAD to be just human eyes looking at book paper from a normal distance. The paintings/drawings were larger because that’s how a book illustration is made–larger–and would then have been reduced to book size. Anything that showed up in the book is probably the result of the printing process.
When I was working on Dar, it drove me crazy when someone would say “I have these little circles in my book–maybe they’re only in MY book?” when the little circles in question were the result of ink blobs from the color processing. As if a publisher would go to the trouble, expense and literally maddening ridiculousness of putting clues in only SOME of the books sold! It didn’t matter, though–once someone found one, suddenly everyone found DOZENS. Common sense flew right out the window.
And if you want to really hear something weird, I can see parts of what may look like the top part of a jockey on a horse–the horse’s head is missing, and floating above him in the sky is a mermaid with rather large, er….assets.
So should we look near the ocean?

What she said.

shecrab

And if you want to really hear something weird, I can see parts of what may look like the top part of a jockey on a horse–the horse’s head is missing, and floating above him in the sky is a mermaid with rather large, er….assets.

I must have missed the er…assets, can you blow them up and post them for us?

fox

I must have missed the er…assets, can you blow them up and post them for us?

I did try that actually—however (and this will probably prove my point even more!) when you click on the Wiki picture and “copy” it and then paste it down somewhere else, it
changes drastically
. You can’t see anything recognizable in it at all.
However–I did manage to use MY jpg of the image, and outlined where the mermaid’s, um, assets are–and I will post that.
The mermaid is more visible than the horse/jockey. I also found an interesting face. I’m posting the whole thing so you can see.
There is THIS also:
“Issues”, eh?

MERLIN

NOW U GONE AND DUN IT!!! –
https://miraimages.photoshelter.com/ima … IbQMoT4MgU

Mea culpa mea culpa mea maxima culpa.

Choice

Mea culpa mea culpa mea maxima culpa.

Did you just put a spell on us???? –
https://thiscougarhassomethingtosay.fil … il_nun.png

I think I’m gonna go search in the Nun’s Island!

I apologize if this question was answered previously – but there are just too many pages to read. Was the mystery of the “Blob” ever resolved?

MERLIN

I apologize if this question was answered previously – but there are just too many pages to read. Was the mystery of the “Blob” ever resolved?

Yes. Search for fleur de lis. Essentially, the thought is that prior to printing, it was covered up.

gManTexas

Yes. Search for fleur de lis. Essentially, the thought is that prior to printing, it was covered up.

I was looking at it – and I think it’s a Hockey player wearing all the pads and protective equipment – and it looks like the end of the hockey stick extends into the center of the Legeater joint….thoughts?

MERLIN

I was looking at it – and I think it’s a Hockey player wearing all the pads and protective equipment – and it looks like the end of the hockey stick extends into the center of the Legeater joint….thoughts?

Maybe in an 8-bit world.

I’m not sure we are talking about the same Blob. We need Malted Falcon

gManTexas

Maybe in an 8-bit world.

The early ’80’s
was
an 8-bit world.

I think I feel a seizure coming on

MERLIN

I think I feel a seizure coming on

Poképong GO!!!!!

Time to file for a patent!

More like space invaders

Johann,
Awesome news!! Congrats. Just what do you think the odds of stumbling across another hunt? I think not much. Anyway what about local hunting clubs? Try this.
http://www.coinshooters.freeservers.com/about.html
Surely someone in the club can help with a gpr or knows someone who can. It says they have 120 members and they do help individuals.
Keep us posted!
X

Re: image 9
« Reply #965 on: Yesterday at 10:50:48 pm »
The building at the top (black and white) was demolished and the lower building was built on the same site and is there currently.
malt your french is better than mine, but thats what i thought it read too.
have been trying to find more info, maybe over weekend, ill have a little more
time to look see

The picture caption says it was
demolished
at the beginning of 1970.
There is no clear indication of which building they are referring to.

been thinking on the dutch connection, maybe we are looking for a name, the Netherlands Embassy
is at
1002 Sherbrooke West
Suite 2020
Montreal, QC H3A 3L6
CANADA
not far from legeater
name link
http://surnames.behindthename.com/php/s … &usage=yes

Unknown

Unknown:
we thought was the STL Blues logo

Who’s “we”, kemo sabe?
I said over and over again it WASN’T the logo.

well the bottom picture shows cars that are way too modern to have been around in the 60s or 70s so i am guessing that building is still around, whether it was there in 81 and where exactly is it would be the question.  It is on Bleury street which is about 9 to 12 streets north of our legeater

cw0909,
I love the photo you found of that building….good work!
AP

I think the thing in the flower that we thought was the STL Blues logo is actually the Numberr 90. If this is the case then we have the cordinance of STL 90 23 39 some say 38 is in the Lat/Long. The legeater is nice but the rest of the image looks like STL and Forest Park. Another indicater that Verse 6 may be the match is that the jewel in the hat is in the mibble of the chest checker patern. When turned upside down it looks like it is below the bar that binds. Thus it looks like arms extended bar that binds is illistrated in the image. I am open to other ideas but it looks like Image 9 and Verse 6 go together and they lead to an area in the Muny/Pagoda Circle area of Forest Park less likely the World’s Fair Pavillion area. I will soon write about what needs to be done next to confirm we have the right area. I think we are very close but not yet enough to get me to make the 3 hour drive to the park.
I will also update the image to verse match thread to show the likely combinations if this is correct.

shecrab

The picture caption says it was
demolished
at the beginning of 1970.
There is no clear indication of which building they are referring to.

The building at the top (black and white) was demolished and the lower building was built on the same site and is there currently.

interesting that the buildiing in the picture that looks like the collar
is exactly at the same address, but 7 blocks over,  of the hotel that mark twain spoke at/about when he visited montreal.

i really like that building too cw, and the netherlands embassy idea.

That building is
SNC-Lavalin
455 René-Lévesque
Blvd. West
Have some green area beside…

scottrocks7

I will soon write about what needs to be done next to confirm we have the right area. I think we are very close but not yet enough to get me to make the 3 hour drive to the park.

I just don’t understand your infatuation with the Muny… & … if I were a mere 3 hours from a possible casque site, I would be all over it:  exploring the area looking for ‘things’ that fit, taking pictures, digging at possible sites, etc…

Eljayo,
Great piece of detective work…
I am attempting to find out when it was built.
AP

http://www.imtl.org/montreal/search.php … cation=Ren
é-Lévesque&kind=1&kind=1
says 1987 here

Maybe we can find out who the architect was and see if he
has any other buildings in the area.  He may use that
“step” detail as a recognizable trademark.

and Édifice Gérald-Godin.

also
here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sh … ntreal.jpg
here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Georg … _(Montreal
)
here: corner of mcgill and st paul st w
here:
https://imtl.org/montreal/image.php?id=454
and the faubourg des recollets.
from here you go all over. ohhh and a niagara falls connection! how fun.

damn im good.

here via bmo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Place_d%27Armes

place d’armes takes you to the place des arts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Place_des_Arts

george stephen pretty much takes you all around mtl lol.

MrBackstop

I was just hoping to get some thoughts on what the Leg Eater connection was and I haven’t been able to find any in this thread.
.

I mean, the image has a legeater next to a fleur de lis. The MSC has a tiny legeater next to a fleur de lis. It’s either buried at the club or across the street. I strongly feel that anyone who chooses not to believe that hasn’t paid attention to how the Chi/Cle puzzles were solved, and also doesn’t understand the black-and-white nature of good puzzlemaking. You don’t have a picture of a two-inch-high statue in a generally featureless puzzle and not have it be an exact dig site indicator. Even as a “hey, you’re going in the right direction,” it doesn’t work because it’s so small and the building next door already has a couple of good matches.
I’d love help researching if that skyscraper was always there across the street, or what it looked like on the outside.. You can see at least four things in the image from there.

drunknerds

I mean, the image has a legeater next to a fleur de lis. The MSC has a tiny legeater next to a fleur de lis. It’s either buried at the club or across the street. I strongly feel that anyone who chooses not to believe that hasn’t paid attention to how the Chi/Cle puzzles were solved, and also doesn’t understand the black-and-white nature of good puzzlemaking. You don’t have a picture of a two-inch-high statue in a generally featureless puzzle and not have it be an exact dig site indicator. Even as a “hey, you’re going in the right direction,” it doesn’t work because it’s so small and the building next door already has a couple of good matches.
I’d love help researching if that skyscraper was always there across the street, or what it looked like on the outside.. You can see at least four things in the image from there.

I thought the same thing. (if we are talking about the same building) I got excited about the planter box next to the lone tree.
Then I found out that property used to be a YMCA which was demolished and the new building was built.

burnstyle

I thought the same thing. (if we are talking about the same building) I got excited about the planter box next to the lone tree.
Then I found out that property used to be a YMCA which was demolished and the new building was built.

The skyscraper was a YMCA? Thank you! I’ve been trying forever to figure out what it was. Yeah too bad if he buried it there (or at the MSC) it is almost certainly pulverized. But maybe someone with boots on the ground can spot another dig site maybe just tucked away right there.
Or did you mean the building next door with the X and the brickwork like in the images neck was a YMCA? Too bad, I never even researched that because I assumed it was old because that architecture is so 1960s

drunknerds

The skyscraper was a YMCA? Thank you! I’ve been trying forever to figure out what it was. Yeah too bad if he buried it there (or at the MSC) it is almost certainly pulverized. But maybe someone with boots on the ground can spot another dig site maybe just tucked away right there.
Or did you mean the building next door with the X and the brickwork like in the images neck was a YMCA? Too bad, I never even researched that because I assumed it was old because that architecture is so 1960s

Don’t take my word for it… but I was told that yes it was part of the YMCA, which is next door.
General consensus (among the few searcher that I know who live there) seems to be that it was buried at the MSC and was destroyed during the many renovations… but who knows.

burnstyle

Don’t take my word for it… but I was told that yes it was part of the YMCA, which is next door.
General consensus (among the few searcher that I know who live there) seems to be that it was buried at the MSC and was destroyed during the many renovations… but who knows.

We’re on the same page. Even if it is just on the other side of the left fleur de lis fence (a 1980 photo seems to show that this area might have remained unmolested), what is someone going to do, dig it up outside a 24-hour-hotel on a bustling street? I guess there’s always room to charm one’s way into permission, though.

burnstyle

Don’t take my word for it… but I was told that yes it was part of the YMCA, which is next door.
General consensus (among the few searcher that I know who live there) seems to be that it was buried at the MSC and was destroyed during the many renovations… but who knows.

wtf. that is mental. nothing. literally nothing leads you there, in relation to the treasure hunt…my lord.

drunknerds

The skyscraper was a YMCA? Thank you! I’ve been trying forever to figure out what it was. Yeah too bad if he buried it there (or at the MSC) it is almost certainly pulverized. But maybe someone with boots on the ground can spot another dig site maybe just tucked away right there.
Or did you mean the building next door with the X and the brickwork like in the images neck was a YMCA? Too bad, I never even researched that because I assumed it was old because that architecture is so 1960s

I double checked, The building was the Drummond Court apartment building. It was bought by the Y because they wanted to restore the building, but it was too far gone. It was demolished in the 90’s
https://imtl.org/image.php?id=9022