burnstyle

I double checked, The building was the Drummond Court apartment building. It was bought by the Y because they wanted to restore the building, but it was too far gone. It was demolished in the 90’s
https://imtl.org/image.php?id=9022

Great research, thanks a bunch!
So is that where the YMCA AND the skyscraper now sit?

Unknown

Unknown:
It’s simply my interpretation of symbolism.

And mighty fine symbolism it is. Not quite in Josh’s league, but that may be an unfairly high standard.

drunknerds

Hey, can you post whatever pic of the stadium you are using for this comparison, please? I’m finding it hard to visualize based on what GIS is giving me, this would help me understand.

http://www.bing.com/images/search?view= … edIndex=22
The retractable roof is what would be the center of the flower. This poster shows the design well before completion.

Today’s view
http://www.bing.com/images/search?view= … edIndex=19

i think its a stretch personally, fits the leg/hoof better.

I like beaver hall as a spot though.

It’s simply my interpretation of symbolism. Why does everyone describe everyone elses interpretations as a “stretch”. This amuses me.

MrBackstop

It’s simply my interpretation of symbolism. Why does everyone describe everyone elses interpretations as a “stretch”. This amuses me.

I describe most of
my
interpretations as a stretch…

I’m interested in the current state of opinion on image 9.  There seems to be strong points to both views leading to either St. Louis or Montreal.  I see what you’re saying about relating the leg eater to the St. Louis park construct.  I can almost see a decapitation motif…and amputation of the legs when I bring into consideration Saint Denis (discussed below).
I might have it wrong here, but i thought Trohn refered to this as the “jockey”.  I was liking this as a possibility when i came across a steeplechase reference to a jockey named Bill Scott who had a horse named Don John in 1838.  This idea doesnt go anywhere for me but i thought id share anyway.
Something i liked about this is the football shape of the head and the idea that Preiss is going for a referfence to Saint Denis the decapitated bishop whoms statue holds his head almost like an American football.  The patern on the statues collar matches a gridlike checkerboard pattern. (edit: corrected St. Daniel to St. Denis).
I googled football hold images and it took me a minute to figure out why there were so many breastfeeding baby images…so that’s not what I had in mind, but this image will suffice.
Another musing lead me to consider St. Leger (leg eater?).  Ill have to come back to that later since i cant recall where i came across that…maybe something related to steeples oe steeplechase horse racing.
For a moment i considered that this was an “Opal bearer” or “O Pallbearer” and then im stuck to wonder whose funeral might be associated here…another dead end, eh?
A final consideration and one that gets back to Montreal, Quebec, or possibly Philidelphia…is the Jazz label ‘Steeplechase’, which in 1975 hosted a Stan Getz recording in Montmartre…but that is France.  I liked the bearing the idea has on many famous paint artists who operated in that area.  Does ‘Hill’ and ‘Martyr’ have any potential?
(Edit: adding in something really interesting)
I noticed the origin of the photo of St. Denis’ statue is Notre Dame de Paris Cathedral.  The cathedral that was demolished in order to build the new one was called St. Stephens.  Notre Dame is a great football team.  And isnt the name of the home owner where the legeater is found also a Stephen?

I’m new here, but ever since my brother introduced me to this book, I have become obsessed. All I think about is theses paintings!!
So this may be way off base, but I keep seeing the nose as some sort of large fish, or perhaps a whale?
The fingers bother me most of all. I keep turning them around to see if I can pick out a mountain formation or some sort of design. I was going to look for a sign language book…they’re really bothering me the most.
The lego  car really reminds me of the old “patty wagons”, I recall seeing one in the Diary of Anne Frank and Swing Kids.
As far as the numbers in the hair:
I see 735 (our right side,lower curls)
J 9 (above the brow, our left)

nectarbean–
Welcome to the hint!  Thanks for sharing your insights.  I will be thinking about them, especially the 735.  I have not yet found these numbers there.
I have also been puzzled by the hands.  The fingers seem to point to varied parts of the picture.  I have spent some time flipping through a sign language book, but I haven’t found anything yet.  The vocabulary is immense.  I should just show the picture to some friends in the deaf ministry at my church and see if they can identify the hand shapes.  It probably means something like: Please pass the bananas, there are worms in my hat.

This photo was sent to me by the “Boston By Foot” tour guide.
It is of the main entrance of the Boston Public Library, where two
lampposts are almost hidden away in the corners.  They have a
great similarity to our Mount Stephen Club lamppost, with the globe on top.
The resolution is not great, so I cannot enlarge for detail on the bases.
Maybe someone in Boston can check this out.
AP
From a distance, I cannot determine if they are the same legeater
that Trohn found in the BPL.
(shown further down)

Forest,
http://www.jstor.org/pss/1593895
Here is a link to an article with reference to a book: “Boston Public Library, A Centennial History”
by  Walter Muir Whitehill
You may be able to find it in your university library…(or there would most likely be a copy in the BPL).
It may have a pictorial history of the Library…and surrounding area.
AP

I found these two thing while messing around –
don’t know where to go with them – but thought it
may help someone.
The first one is for form, the second, style.
http://www.satin-moon.com/fabric/fttcm2781-bk.html
http://www.satin-moon.com/patterns/scholar.html
http://www.artlex.com/ArtLex/b/images/b … ort.lg.jpg

Actually, it is enough to keep me busy tomorrow when I will be over there for other reasons.  But as long as I am over there . . .  So goes an obsessive hunt.
Thank you very much for the insight.  It will be contemplated most carefully.

After more hours on this one I have some thoughts. This screams St. Louis to me still. If the gazelle patch means Children’s Zoo and if the musical note is really “MO” and if the Jewel Box connection is right and if if if……
Anyway the smudge on the wall discussed earlier looks like it reads Peele? Deel? Dec.1?  Dec.10? or something to me. Does anyone else see it?
In the P7 or 47 patch the P looks like a flag on a golf course. Hole 7? Hole 10? If this goes with Verse 2 then maybe we need a retaining wall in a golf course 15 rows high and 21 feet long. Forest Park In St. Louis had a 9 and an 18 hole course. The 18 hole course has recently been redone though. (Imagine that) Maybe the fingers are saying Triple A which is the 9 hole course.
Well Johann…. is this enough to keep you busy this weekend?

Great find, Ravel07!  I am not sure how Canadian laws work, but you may be able to get a look at the blueprints for the building at the local building department office, and it may have a “name” for what that thing is called.  At the very least, you can find out the company responsible for putting it there, and if it is still around, we can contact them for more info.
I find it very amusing that we were all certain that the “dogleg” was some type of rebus since it was so unusual looking.  Just another lesson for all of us, that we should never assume anything with regard to this book.

Egbert –
as is said …. “it is a dogleg eat dogleg world”
I wonder why ravel didn’t know the building or location
when he posted the photo, and then left the country
(in a hurry)
anyways, lets hope for an undisturbed, acessible and intact casque
site (for once)

I’ve been trying to figure out how that looks like a house in the background. Looks more like a museum or courthouse.

Jambone

OMG is right.  Of all the images not solved, this has to be the most
exact
link.  But, and I don’t care if it’s Montreal or St. Louis, can’t see this image as Montreal.  With all the tie-ins you guys provided for St Louis, there has to be some connection with what Ravel07 found and Forest Park.  Alas, I’ve been wrong before!  I’ve been on this computer for two days trying to sort it out, to no avail.
Ravel, this is another great “punch in the face” clue.  Good eyes.

jayheedan1

For all we know Merlin may have found “a map” in the image that points to his inquiry of Montreal Wisconsin. I think that is the point being made and why the question was asked what clues/matches have you found.

So I ask a genuine question to try and find out what Merlin likes about Montreal Wisconsin and I get a translation to the original statement. Understand something simple, I’m one of the searchers that has found and promoted the idea that there are hidden maps (hat tip to karlene as well ) in many of these Images. So my point is, I hope Merlin has found a map. Now hopefully he will answer my original question.
And let me say this, I cant imagine that there would be two casques buried in Wisconsin. But the again, that could be one of the geniuses of this hunt huh?

I believe the Vandeventer area was just north of the Midtown area, in the near-north Grand Blvd. area near Midtown and Saint Louis U.  The gates were on the site of what is now a vererans’ hospital.

Fox,
I’m off to Lindell today.  Your picture has me itching to go to now. I have no kids and time to do it the house cleaning can wait til tomorrow . I the house up and it made me think when I saw the floor plan of the house on the web site that this could be the BLOB . When we find this Dogleg eater thing  we will know what the Blob is and it may just be a house such as this . Well I’m off hopefully Lindell will be good for us today. Carol

Carol–
Go for it!  Perhaps a long walk along those Lindell houses will reveal something.  I need to get out that way, too.

Here is a detailed close-up of the lamp in front of the St. Louis Art Museum:
http://community.webshots.com/photo/132682549/1132692995032784713FXZqmC

Cupples House is beautiful.  It is on the Saint Louis U campus.  I have passed it many times (I went to grad school there), and I do not recall seeing any leg-eaters there.

Nice find FB…that is definitely a close up of the ones in my pic.  Alas….the wrong base.  I did a search on myspace.com for persons in S.L. and sent a nice long message to a photographer in S.L.  What better person to inquire to than a person who travels the city taking pix on unique sights?  Here is his response:
“looks similar to some works in the downtown area of St. Louis. I will run it past a friend of mine that knows very much in this.
will respond later with possible findings “
Maybe he will come thru for us.  Will post as soon as he responds again….

This place looks like a decent candidate for our legeater.  It is called the Cupples House:

I’m back from the walk . No such luck today on my Journey. I spotted a nice  lightpost while driving and stopped the car loaded the meter ran back and it was a dragon. I did take a picture , but is too big to post .  Fox I had no luck being able to park to see the Cupples  House , all Meters full. This was the wrong time of the day. I’m hoping in the evening tomorrow to try. As Johann said though it is on the University Campus.
I did start my Journey from the Jewel box.  I was standing at the colonial daughters area looking at the gates when I did notice that the concrete path in the garden comes to an arrow pointing right at those gates . I went back to the car got the map out and if you look  follow through the gates on the map it does point in the direction of Lindell.  As I’m driving down Lindell I have the Basillica on my left and the Arch right in front of me .

question…
do we even really need to locate the legeater?  this may not even be the correct P.  the V we are using seems to get us right up to the Vandy Gate {which does appear in this P}.  If this is the right P, are there any other confirmers from the P to the area around Vandy Gate?  This P isnt packed full of visual confirmers as are most of the other P’s.

Fox ,
Maybe  the Legeater was there at one time and no longer is now. Just like the trees being taken down at the park from the storm a few weeks back .

just another follow up idea with the Vandy Gate.  I am pretty well convinced the casque site is somewhere nearby the Gate.  Maybe we can reverse engineer from there to find our legeater for confirmation.
Ok, so what kind of thing would point us to the Vandy Gates?  How about Vandeventer Place….”the” well to do neighborhood of S.L. in the 1800’s which is right near Forest Park.  Maybe a stroll or short drive thru the neighborhood is in order in case legeater resides there?

Fox,
I remember it being posted where they were at exactly before the move to Forest Park , but could you Refresh my memory or Johann. I would be glad to journey to the area. I ‘m hoping it’s the Lindell area I was on today or thereabouts .  Carol

Not familiar with S.L. myself.  Google mapped the area {not sure if it is THE Vandy Place of yore} but it looks to be just NE of Forest Park near the intersection of Delmar Blvd & N Kingshighway Blvd. Only a couple blocks north of Lindell….

This is the gateway mall. Along this section I have found most of the pieces to either the  P or V  . Fifteen rows  , the separated blocks by the streets , The streets being the rows . From end  to end , it runs from the one end of the city to the end and stops at the 21st street .
http://community.webshots.com/photo/553571669/2274945180096202026EqGyEw

Thadams Mark Hotel is along that same area in front of the courthouse . The insignia is the flower petals on the dress also . It is also the part of the poem
here is a sovereign people
who build Palaces to shelter
Their heads for a night !
I think this was a reference to the Hotels here along the Gateway mall
http://community.webshots.com/photo/553565456/2753000900096202026uRsZVv

Her hands are representing the courthouse .
http://community.webshots.com/photo/553565456/2515171160096202026ZqRPlN
Here’s it without my handiwork
http://community.webshots.com/photo/553565456/2578383520096202026YoLMWS

This is our Jewel  in the dome of the old courthouse . Also what I take as the images on her face .
http://community.webshots.com/photo/553565456/2155208310096202026pRQhTQ
Her’s a picture of the dome without my writing on it
http://community.webshots.com/photo/553565456/2951374200096202026kUFXeW
Here’s the musical note from  the forehead
http://community.webshots.com/photo/553573206/2591274240096202026wHvXBM

This is a courtroom in the old courthouse . Look at the tile floors.
http://community.webshots.com/photo/553569939/2278518760096202026gVvtYo#

This is 2 floors in the old courthouse . Lower floor has our check pattern . The floor above is our Flag square on the robe . I ‘ll just call it  flag 7.
http://community.webshots.com/photo/553572100/2693143710096202026aqXHYj
Sorry here’s a better picture
http://community.webshots.com/photo/553568000/2368363420096202026VuRnqk
Could also be a tie-in  to the grid work roof in the train shed at union station.
http://community.webshots.com/photo/553571646/2588027020096202026mfKHsX

This is the fountain in front of Union Station  on the gateway mall. Named  ” The meeting of the waters ”  Refering to the Missouri & Mississippi rivers .
The namesakes meeting near this site .
http://community.webshots.com/photo/356000151/1356014545071305139PTKiyQ

Here’s the BLOB  . It’s the waterfall at Kiener Plaza
http://community.webshots.com/photo/553568000/2677493410096202026AenFkl
Here’s a view from above .
http://community.webshots.com/photo/553573321/2871995330096202026iFTLzg

I’m getting close really. These 3 ladies  Named  San Fransisco , St. Louis , & New york can be seen from the fountain in front of union station. It is also above the whispering arch in the entrance way of union station. The whispering arch is what I take to mean   As the sounds of friends fills the afternoon hours . Or could be union station itself.
http://community.webshots.com/photo/553568000/2296071090096202026AqbHAW#
I found this on the Whispering arch and the fountain.
http://community.webshots.com/photo/553565456/2574856440096202026qfZVZf

This next picture is where I’m standing at the last section of the Gateway mall  right at 21st street  looking towards the fountain in front of union station , which we could see the fountain if it weren’t for those 3 trees .
http://community.webshots.com/photo/553568000/2391230860096202026hFkfnl
This is the park area  the end of the Gateway mall .
http://community.webshots.com/photo/553571646/2243600790096202026wPcPYf
This is a hole at the park area .
http://community.webshots.com/photo/553568000/2982421970096202026kEsVUE

Here is the musical note . It is at Kiener Plaza behind the Old courthouse in St. Louis . I’m sure St. Louis is correct as I’ve gathered much on this . I will elaborate as I go so bear with me as I have a lot to share
http://community.webshots.com/photo/553565456/2797073840096202026pWshnY
http://community.webshots.com/photo/553565456/2492746350096202026WSvbMv

And they’re off!….again

Sorry it took so long to reply Trohn… I have absolutely no idea about the checkerboerd pattern. A graphic choice? A clue?
I haven’t been to D.C. in over 25 years so all of this is a guess on my part.  If anyone is familiar with this area maybe my idea will spark either an A-HA moment or a no-way it isn’t it response.  I do remember reading that Byron thought the hunts would be over within the first year of it being out because they were so easy.  Maybe we are reading far too much into it all and should pretend our brains are back in 1980 with no internet to overload them. There must be clues that are so obvious we doubt them.
I will try and look more into this but was hoping someone in D.C. would jump in! Lafitte

erexere

Is the obscurity of a reference something that just applies when I’m hanging a theory in these forums or is there some deeper awareness or level of certainty that condemns or dismisses my ideas?  My guess is it’s to do with my being a newer presence here and for lack of reading the book.

erexere

I read the speech and dedication on the Harding memorial (lucky to find a picture with good enough resolution) and it seems to resonate with the verse.  It says it’s engraved in granite by Kiwanis.  I’m not convinced of anything absolute, but I can’t deny granite is one of the most “hard” substances and Kiwanis is a Native Indian reference.  After reading this, you can turn to your right and see a giant grey amphitheater structure (only its been refurbished since and has a big green semicircular face and front door).  A picture from the area shows some seating areas under a small area that uses large checkerboard tiles similar to image 9’s hat or robe.  Across the path to the east are some Native Indian totem poles.  Lots still to be worked out here, just getting started since finding relatable considerations: hard words, natives speaking, native signs at a path, black/ivory checkered tile, large grey outdoor theater.

That has nothing to do with it.
Something like that is quite interesting.  I thiink, may be wrong, that most of the things people are disagreeing with you in the past are your ideas with ONE possibly tangible idea.  Many of these single ideas of yours just happen to be going against very SOLID theories with MANYconfirmers present.  Another thing that many may disagree with is how you just keep bouncing around and adding idea upon unrelated idea upon unrelated idea whenever you find something else.  This tends to make me believe you are just forcing a fit.  Almost like….ok, you dont like my theory on such and such place….well how about when I add this to the mix?  No?  I just happened to find this that kind of ties in with my location also but has nothing to do with any other confirmers or the verse itself.
The 2 found casques werent really that difficult.  The trees in the Cleveland image werent important.  We didnt have to know the specific type or that once every 3rd Friday of a month only with even number of letters that every 23rd leaf of each branch inverted itself to catch more moonlight. We didnt have to count the number of windows in the Chicago image nor did we have to know that those windows were made by Munster Joinery (which happens to be an Irish company & Chicago is known for it’s Irish parties.  Also, Munster could be referring to muenster cheese and there happens to be3 a cheese shop just across the railroad tracks from the casque’s location.
Let’s get back to the basics folks

I am jumping around, but not fruitlessly as you think.  What significance Priess saw in his own designs is really with him, and though he may not have made the counting of windows important, he might have seen an importance in selecting a specific architectural character to fit his ideas.  You are certainly criticizing my process, but you seem like you are mocking or presuming to know BP’s process.  I, however do not know what he did to construct all of the pieces to the puzzle, but I endeavor to learn, thank you.

In a nutshell…
1.  He found a place he would like to hide a casque
2.  He photographed things “around” said location
3.  He gave these photos to JJP who in turn (with NO knowledge of where these pics were  OR what the verses said) painted the images
4.  He came up with the verses.

Understood, but he had a brain too.

I concur….but he DIDNT bring along the Northeastern Chapter of MENSA along with a handful of rocket scientists and Albert Einstien’s ghost.  These are simple riddles with very little wordplay…meaning, basic wordplay, not no wordplay.  He didnt research these areas for months (remember, no internet for poor BP back then) upon months before hiding them.

I like the way you put that.  He was just a smart guy all on his own and I’m taking flak for referencing obscure things and others who refer to old works not so much.  I’ll have to go back through to posts to find the references, but I’m certain there’s lots of enthusiastic investigation that has a lot more wonkiness than my stuff.
‘The ties that bind’are words on the Harding granite memorial..made me think of BP’s choice in words with a different verse ‘bar that binds’.

Unknown

Unknown:
but he DIDNT bring along the Northeastern Chapter of MENSA along with a handful of rocket scientists and Albert Einstien’s ghost

ROFL Fox…
And just for the record, I
am
a member of Mensa and I can tell you for a fact that if he
had
brought them along, there would have been absolutely no agreement on where to bury the casques.

erexere

‘The ties that bind’are words on the Harding granite memorial..made me think of BP’s choice in words with a different verse ‘bar that binds’.

That is interesting….but…here I go again….  If it werent for one verse “Hard Words” possibly leading to a Harding memorial (which I think is a great idea), you wouldnt have seen “Ties that bind” on said memorial which is from a DIFFERENT verse.  Now we are merging verses?  Dont think we can have that.  If one verse mentioned both “Hard words” AND “bar that binds” then I would say you are DEFINITELY onto something.
It is, and has been for quite some time, this hunt that leads me to
, not you.

No, I’m not merging verses for the purpose of discovery.  As far as application goes, I’m strictly consigned to the method Maltedfalcon proposed: image reveals path and treasure ground, verse reveals casque within treasure ground.
My quizzical nature causes me to wonder if “[bar] that binds” was a choice of words based on BP’s experience with Harding’s “[tie] that binds”.  An innocent question, nothing earthshaking or needing quasi-Mensa-relativistic bombardment.
I personally dont go around dropping phrases from old hymns or Keats quotes.  That’s why the phrase caught my attention.  I’m putting out here to elicit further understanding if others are here to assist.  If its absolutely clear and certain and deserves no further consideration, then let’s move on.

Works for me.
where to next?
wilhouse

I’m diggin’ ya, but we can also add that the Forest Park World’s Fair included many temporary structures called Palaces and there is the statue of King Louis.
The Palaces were temporary structures (hence “palaces to shelter there heads for a night”?).

could not fair be a namesake of fairy?

PVM is bordered by Rue Mansfield. Mansfield wrote a story about
Pearl Button
– reminds me of the Ducthman’s cap.

Just for kicks, look again at the upper square emblem on the cloak.  Imagine you were painting this, and trying to get some clever information in, but not being too obvious.
The rune on the left is a reversed “4”.  The rune on the right could be a couple of things.  It’s a European “1”, but it’s an American “7”.  Reversing the 4 keeps things from being too obviously numerical, and makes it fit nicely (almost a mirror-image) with the other.
Read it left-to-right and you get 41.  Read it right-to-left and you get 74.
NYC
I think the dog-leg is either utterly irrelevant (it happens) or is the last physical confirmer once you’re standing near the site.
Pine

I think the numbers in the flower and the X can be interpreted in a number of ways. But if we regard them as latitudes, on their own the first could be 70, 76, 40, or 46, and the second could be 47, 41, 17, or 74. But since they are in the same picture, they should be read as adjacent latitudes – either 40/41 or 46/47 (probably the latter pair). Other pictures contain latitudes and encapsulate the casque on a map. For example, P1 contains 37/38 and 122/123, entirely capturing San Francisco. P2 contains 79/80 and 33 (Charleston), P4 contains 41/42 and 81 (Cleveland), etc. There are other examples.

Spinner (or anyone)–
Any new ideas?  How is it going?  I’m stumped.

thanks whiterabbit, i’m going to look up near the cn tower (for a min. or two til i get distracted, lol ) (grey giant)
it would be a giant, and there is a shadowlands island close to it and ward island (to
ward
isle of  B)
and it said something about following the forest fathers (olmsted) and the moss maidens (moss park? toronto)
and i like the skydome for the bowl in the tupperwerewolves, but i’m gonna try to concentrate on all the olmsted parks around buffalo too.
up that way,
because for sure the russian image is around the battery  (or long island or staten island or …) because he says  “(could it be that they believed peter minuit’s glass baubles possessed the same
worth
as the alven’s treasure stones?) so i’ll be looking at both
that word
“worth”
is making me look at madison square some more, always liked that area with all the architecture icons
the worth monument
oh, and i’m not forgetting golf, ’cause of the dutch image (#9)  and even in the tupperwerewolves, it looks like golf clubs in the mustard, or croquet mallets?
that buffalo in the russian image is so confusing if the dutch image is in or around buffalo
and was thinking that grey giant could be for the civil war/ blue and grey or giant (oak tree),  or one of the heroes of the civil war?
torontogre mentions
cn tower
several times,
buffalo
, kingston,
hamilton
and owen sound, and kapital of kulture, and mentions “
one of everything
” several times
(history and geography, yuck, not my best subjects)

Ive been rethinkin an thinkin some more on the Leg Eater.  My current theory of Stanley Park uses the Shakespear/hockey interpretation which reasonably predates the creation of George Stephen’s lamp.  The lamp however is an exact match and so it remains to be considered why/how is it being used?  The Shakespear is really a folklore connection.  I believe there are two sides to this and a double meaning on one side.  The “puck” side is both a horned/hoofed mythological figure and the playing piece in hockey.  The other side of the coin is George Stephen in Montreal.  I believe the connection is to the CP railway, which George Stephen spent much of his life’s focus.  Stanley Park built a miniature railway in honor of the CPR in 1964.  Perhaps BP discovered this fabulous George Stephen connection when looking for someway to tie the railroad element into Stanley Park.

JFC…
The whole point of this is to decipher the paintings and verse clues. Then find the location where the casque was buried. The reason why the blobs, purple dots, etc. were put there is nearly irrelevant. The fleur de lis cover up is without question. The Castillo cover up isn’t as evident, but very likely.
Does it really matter if it was to make the puzzles harder (which I personally disagree with) or to protect the publisher from future liabilities? The clues are there for us to use. These arguments are subjective and unproductive.
I think that the lead has been buried with Drunknerd’s original post. Why not use the fleur de lis in conjunction with the legeater and find a reasonable and more definitive spot that the casque may have been buried.
Just because a rock solid image match has been located in no way means you are ready to start digging. Ask Rob Wrobel how his original digs directly in front of the Chicago fence posts went.

Harley Quinn

On the St Augustine image that circle thing (whatever you want to call it) I do not believe it is Castillo de San Marcos. Looks nothing like it. The fort is square not a circle. There are statue bases with a square base with a circle within it. That is my guess.

I think you are misunderstanding.
The circle thing is covering the castillo.

BINGO

JFC…
The whole point of this is to decipher the paintings and verse clues. Then find the location where the casque was buried. The reason why the blobs, purple dots, etc. were put there is nearly irrelevant. The fleur de lis cover up is without question. The Castillo cover up isn’t as evident, but very likely.
Does it really matter if it was to make the puzzles harder (which I personally disagree with) or to protect the publisher from future liabilities? The clues are there for us to use. These arguments are subjective and unproductive.
I think that the lead has been buried with Drunknerd’s original post. Why not use the fleur de lis in conjunction with the legeater and find a reasonable and more definitive spot that the casque may have been buried.
Just because a rock solid image match has been located in no way means you are ready to start digging. Ask Rob Wrobel how his original digs directly in front of the Chicago fence posts went.

I don’t know man, we gotta talk about something in between figuring these crazy puzzle out.

This conversation is fun! I see Bingo’s point, but I agree with gman that we’re having an interesting debate. I even think it might lead somewhere. Heck, it’s the first and only new visual clue we’ve ever received, let’s pick it apart.
The thing is, if he wanted to make the puzzles harder, Preiss could’ve changed the verse. If legal said the drawings my friends made needed to be scribbled over, my first response would always be “uhhh, that’s art… can I just change my text?”

The fleur-de-lis may not have been removed because of legal matters but BP may have requested it to be removed. The casque may not been buried there and he didn’t want two visual clues for one spot.
On the St Augustine image that circle thing (whatever you want to call it) I do not believe it is Castillo de San Marcos. Looks nothing like it. The fort is square not a circle. There are statue bases with a square base with a circle within it. That is my guess.

burnstyle

I think you are misunderstanding.
The circle thing is covering the castillo.

Do we know for sure that it was a cover up? Have not seen where it was fact, just speculation

well, i’m experimenting on this one with niagara falls, the WHIRLPOOL RAPIDS, on the left we have the botanical gardens , queen victoria park  and a GOLF COURSE  ;D and on the right, robert moses parkway
we have an obvious “79” in the image in the X block for lat and long
and i really like this shape of whirlpool rapids for the collar (just align the big curve from map onto the image)
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source= … 15000&z=13
oh, and NIAGARA means THE STRAIT, and strait means “a slender path”………………….verse 10??
and would HARD WORD mean the PRINTED word?
http://www.niagaraparks.com/heritage-tr … useum.html
haven’t had much time yet to do much research

There is no need to squeeze a “73” out of the legeater — it’s in his hair on (our) far right.

Back in Montreal then.
The venerable Dutch merchant empire…
Consider a group of the frugal Lowland Dwarves, the Alven, hovering, invisible, and observing in economic agony…
The Dutch dwarves are merchants, bankers. Money-grubbers. The Alven are venal. It’s no coincidence that their Litany initials spell Gloat. (OK, it probably is, but whatever. You get the idea.)
The legeater points to the home of George Stephen (“1” on the map), banker and railway baron, first president of the Canadian Pacific Railway. Just down the road we find their headquarters at Windsor Station (“2”).
At the place where jewels abound
(I’m so over Sarmiento…)
At the place where jewels abound
Fifteen rows down to the ground
The place where the jewels abound is a Royal House. The fifteen rows are a 15-storey building.
“In 1916,
Windsor Station
was enlarged upwards with its main tower rising to 15 stories, dramatically altering Montreal’s skyline.”
“The
House of Windsor
is the current Royal House of the Commonwealth realms.”
Let’s skip to:
Here is a sovereign people
Who build palaces to shelter
Their heads for a night!
The Windsors are the sovereign people, but the palace was in Montreal – the Crystal Palace.
“The
Crystal Palace
was an exhibition hall built for the Montreal Industrial Exhibition of 1860″
This was at (3) on the map. Nearby we find this:
This is the Eaton shopping centre in Sainte-Catherine. Its ninth floor is a noted restaurant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eaton%27s_Ninth_Floor_(Montreal)
So what, you say? Well…
As the sound of friends
Fills the afternoon hours
This is the ninth, in liturgical terms.
“None, or the Ninth Hour, is a fixed time of prayer of the Divine Office of almost all the traditional Christian liturgies. It consists mainly of psalms and is said around 3 pm”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/None_(liturgy
)
Just to the north, we find another grand shop…
(The red line shows Ruelle Palace, site of the old Crystal Palace.)
Gnomes admire
Fays delight
Gnomes suggests the Dutch verse, from the P10 map. What is now “The Bay” was
Henry Morgan’s
department store.
Morgan’s delight -> Morgan le Fay -> Fay’s delight
Opposite we have
Phillip’s Square
…
…with its statue of
Edward VII
. And that takes us back to the Windsors.
“He was the first British monarch of the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, which was renamed the House of Windsor by his son, George V.”
Only three stand watch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_VII_Monument_(Montreal)
In the middle of twenty-one
From end to end
There are twenty-one straight lines from end to end of the collar:

TexWriter

I have a hard time getting the numbers to match up with Montreal. I can get 46 and 47 but that is the quadrant above Montreal. I cannot find a 45

I know what you mean, but I eventually decided that this was good enough.
73 and 45. It’s not very legible in the scan, but you can convince yourself from the book.

Stunning find, Fenix! Just wonderful. But Where did you find this image?
It was certainly a confirmer for Montreal or maybe the casque site (there is a fleur-de-lis just feet – metres? – from the lamp). It is very good to know the blob is just a blob and not an object we need to find.
Some theories:
1. The fleur-de-lis was obscured because the hint was too strong, and BP did not want to make it too easy.
2. This is not the France image — that would be P7. The fleur-de-lis is strongly associated with France so maybe he wanted to remove the ambiguity of having it in another image.

ravel07

I really doubt that the lampposts were designed specifically for the Club.

WHY?  Forgive a possible air of negativity taken but the lamppost you showed on Flikr wasnt even similar.  Sure, you can find allllllllllll sorts of lampposts if you want to waste your time…possibly even something remotely similar  (BUT)
we have an EXACT match…

the blob is not pixelated. as shown by the curving lines at the top and corner.
If it were pixelated those would not show up at all.
It is a silohuette of something, we just havent found it yet.

I’ve been thinking it looks somewhat like a train’s front.

Unknown

Unknown:
im hoping its the blob
may have found the blob, not sure what it is called or how long its been there
it is at the, Musée McCord Museum on sherbrooke
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/36370445
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/19208884
g map blob spot
http://tinyurl.com/6l9mzt7
http://tinyurl.com/64s29la
G street map of blob
http://tinyurl.com/6ddvq2l

man i was so hoping to get near that legater,from something in the img,but doest seem like its going to happen
found info on that blob, it was put there, not sure when,but was an exhibit in the Old Port of Montreal in 1992
it is called An Inukshuk
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: … ntreal.jpg
must be something from the verse that gets us to the legeater, or maybe im going backwards,like start at the
Parc Jean-Drapeau, on Île Sainte-Hélène , and work toward the O stadium, when i get more time ill look at parks
near the  O stadium

went back down sherbrooke from O stadium, and found some things i missed
prob nothing but is across street from zig zag building
Lanni Restaurant
3132 Sherbrooke E
Montreal, QC H1W 1B6, Canada
http://tinyurl.com/4gdfqnf
veiw of zig zag and statues
http://tinyurl.com/4veskd2
hands, prob nothing,on the sw corner of sherbrooke and rue st. denis
http://tinyurl.com/6eb2jj9
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/mS … 6pINkESvrw
—————-
kinda looks like the frump on his hat,that rough edge on our right, its at parc la fontaine
http://tinyurl.com/62kbvnj
close up
http://tinyurl.com/6fmgvuo
more pics
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/42481597
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/orig … 481597.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevan_ahma … otostream/
——————
im hoping its the blob
may have found the blob, not sure what it is called or how long its been there
it is at the, Musée McCord Museum on sherbrooke
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/36370445
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/19208884
g map blob spot
http://tinyurl.com/6l9mzt7
http://tinyurl.com/64s29la
G street map of blob
http://tinyurl.com/6ddvq2l
Musée McCord Museum
http://www.mccord-museum.qc.ca/en/
intersection of sherbrooke and drummond
http://tinyurl.com/666wqu6
and the legeater
http://tinyurl.com/5tbf5ql

LOL–no no! i was just kidding!  😀 You’d be hard pressed to offend me–you are my treasure buddy!!

What specifically is the pagoda we are talking about?

Tower Grove could be the park. The clues though for now seem to indicate Forest Park. The key is to figure out the rest of verse 6. If we come up empty on Forest Park Tower Grove is the next most likely location. Soon I hope to get some outside help decodeing the middle section of the verse. They are historical clues that will tell us the park and the location. For now though it looks like Forest Park is correct but I will test both before trying to dig it out.

forest_blight

I will be attending a conference this September, oh, about 3 blocks from everyone’s favorite Montreal lamppost. Perhaps I will have a chance to scout out the area and take some pictures.

Do us a favor, FB, and take one at a slightly different angle than the one we’ve got posted….So that the brick work and archway that is just slightly visible to the right of the lamppost is visible.  And have fun!

Shecrab,
Here is a 360 degree virtual tour of the facade of Mount Stephen Club in Montreal,
supposed to be where the two lampposts are located.  Can’t see the legeaters,
but you can see the surroundings.
http://www.clubmountstephen.net/V2/visi … lle_en.htm
AP

forest_blight

My understanding is that the lamppost is pretty obscure. Just one more pretty piece of metalwork in a city full of beautiful architectural details. Either it is meant to be a site-marker (i.e., very close to the casque site) or, more likely, there is another such lamppost in another city altogether. The odds are very small that the two lamps in front of the Mount Stephen Club are the only ones of their kind in the whole world.

have been thinking prob only one co. made that post too, have been looking, no luck
i emailed [sorry forgot name] of lamp post co. to see if they have ever seen it or know
anything about the legeater, i think the co. ad said have been around for 50+ years,
and i think in aps’ post at this link i read no rework on the house till the 90s’  i will recheck that
http://www.clubmountstephen.net/V2/visi … lle_en.htm

FB,
If you’d take a number of photos for a 360º image I’d be happy to stitch them together.  In fact, I’ll make that offer for anyone at any of the proposed casque locations.
Take 12 to 20 photos in a circle.  Keep the camera as level as possible and make sure the images overlap by about 20%.

I have looked at this image and think it is STL. I also think Forest Park is the location. I thibk Verse 6 goes to the image. I think the thing that ties the image to the verse is the arms extended bar that binds. I think that is represented by the checkard image in the chest aresa. Turned upsidedown it looks like arms extnded and a bar that binds.
I am not as sure of the location within the park. The verse appears to be hinting at the [agoda circle area but I am not as sure now that I saw the pagoda in the image.
Acording to the Wiki you think the colar area is the STL Court House. I asume you mean the old Courthouse by the arch. Do you mean the black colar or the exspoesed neckline. If you mean the black colar then the hands must be a clue I would be more inclined to think maybe the World’s Fair Pavilion area.
The way to know if I am right is to figure out the middle part of the verse.
What do the hands represent
I hope this is not STL Quebec because STL MO is only a 3 hour drive from where I am at.

I will be attending a conference this September, oh, about 3 blocks from everyone’s favorite Montreal lamppost. Perhaps I will have a chance to scout out the area and take some pictures.

Forest,
That seems like a very serendipitous conference.
If anyone can find some connection there, I am
sure that you can!
Do you think that the lamppost is the city landmark
which BP tends to include for each location?
Would it be recognizable to most Montreal residents?
AP

My understanding is that the lamppost is pretty obscure. Just one more pretty piece of metalwork in a city full of beautiful architectural details. Either it is meant to be a site-marker (i.e., very close to the casque site) or, more likely, there is another such lamppost in another city altogether. The odds are very small that the two lamps in front of the Mount Stephen Club are the only ones of their kind in the whole world.

Progress

I do the same thing. Occupational (recreational?) hazard, I suppose.

New pics of the legeater:
http://www.clubmountstephen.net/newsite … erior.html

Unknown

Unknown:
shecrab – I have no trouble believing one of the “hair” numbers is 73, thus indicating Montreal. Look at the right-hand side and turn your book counter-clockwise.
The flower in this pic isn’t a daisy – it’s a marigold / calendula.

Well, I only said it was close–I didn’t say it was a daisy. (I actually said aster–but calendula is close also.)
However, I’m not buying into the 73. That “7” is not angular enough for me–not when he’s made them look more like real 7’s elsewhere. He’s got two other 7s in that
same image
–and they aren’t rounded at all.  Besides, there’s a clear 5 right of the 3, which makes the number 35, not 73.
I certainly haven’t forgotten the Dutch connection. It’s another reason I ain’t buying Montreal!

I will be away for a few days but when I get back I will try to figure out if this is or is not STL. If it is STL I will try to dig up the casque if possible or account for where it was should work in the park have destroyed or lost the casque. I am more and more thinking that it is someplace near the pagoda. The one big reason I think this is STL is the lack of other images that could be STL if this is not. I am cautiously optimistic that I have the right area. I will not go for the casque unless I have something more concrete.
One thing for sure if this is STL it will sure turn this forum upsidedown as to some of our therories and could be the death blow to Boston.
I will see ypu in a week

but ceekay, you just told us not long ago that latitude and longitude weren’t reliablly useful in all the images. and there is the dogleg in montreal.
and i just found “grey nuns museum” not far from mount royal as i’m still trying to fit this with verse 10.  still looking for a good picture of the museum, if someone finds one please post it, ok? also, this is a good time for everyone to concentrate on the canada cask as forest is going to be there soon, and something we say might hit him when he  sees it.
i hadn’t noticed the comedy/tragedy side of this image. i still think it looks like the rembrandt portrait
————-the coloring
and rembrandt was dutch,
lurker, are you in canada?
here’s one photo.
http://www.musee-mccord.qc.ca/en/collec … ection=196
does anyone know what building this one is…….5th row down, middle……
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= … f%26sa%3DN

i think that building is the one that the ny empire state building was modeled after.

Unfortunately I am near St. Louis, Slappy…lol

cw – I have a hard time believing there is a casque in Atherton, CA given its proximity to San Francisco
no i just meant the legeater, i just cant imagine how many of those lamp posts,
are still around and not in some storage area. i know no matter where im at ill,
be looking for a legeater, even if the  casque was found. ill look all old lamps just to see
what it has on it

I have been doing research on image 9 and I only saw this mentioned a a couple of times in the whole long thread.
The leg eater and the “blob” are both in a golden square. As an alternate to my theory I submit that those two clues are not immediate area visual clues but rather general area visual clues like the Chicago bow hunter statue and fountain statue. This would narrow down the Montreal treasure to the area of The Golden Square Mile. It would make sense that an area known for luxurious houses would have have a lamp post from one of its more historic houses as a clue.
So, I am now searching the houses and mansions of Montreal’s Golden Square mile in hopes of finding the blob. The blob looks like part of a house or the dome of a large one. Maybe an architect would recognize it.

Yow….I forgot about that.
(Was the beginning of March that he declared that he had a non-Canadian site he was gonna dig in…)
So ya….how’d it go, JMDemster….?
If it was a bust, then clue us in as to where you were looking and why, por favor.

A voice in the wilderness, Fox. A voice in the wilderness.

Glossiphoniidae

could “jewels” be children… at the place where jewels abound… a children’s park…

If that is the case….look where it brings us right back to……..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/4562331078/

This thread had no action for months. Wake up Canada!
So I was flipping through pages of the book and came across a prison and window bars and a lawyer and his briefcase on page 127.
The lawyer is pointing to the initials on the case. The biggest letter is C. (handle) so I figured it must be his last name. Then G. and E.
I think these may be initials for George-Étienne Cartier. He looks Canadian

its def that flower by the museum that we saw fenix…musee mccord…where you go to get info directly relating to the puzzle. also probably dawson college. better fit for dawson than le stade imo. i think if anything le stade is the hoof turned upside down, but it wasnt fully complete in 81. though prob complete enough and preiss would have def saw an image of what it was supposed to look like youd think.

Let me throw out a couple of additional items regarding the possible St. Louis connection:
1.  Photos of the Jewel Box in the park show that it has five levels to it – with the front view looking a lot like the pyramid shape below our friend’s neck.  The Jewel Box area has undergone some recent renovation, but I don’t think it impacted the building itself.  See the photo at:  http://www.slfp.com/ForestParkJB.htm.
The Jewel Box is a flower conservatory as well, as I think someone noted.
2.  The checkerboard – Ralston Purina has its headquarters located in St. Louis.  The better connection – At the World’s Fair in 1904 in St. Louis, Purina won a number of awards and “acquainted thousands of people with the products bearing the checkerboard…”  See the Purina web site, which contains this nice summary:
“The Louisiana Purchase Exposition in 1904 drew thousands of people to St. Louis. It also acquainted thousands of people with the products bearing the Checkerboard. The Purina booth served Ralston breakfast food and pancakes made with Purina Pancake Flour. Checkerboard bags filled with Ralston Breakfast Food, Purina Whole Wheat Flour and Purina Pancake Flour were distributed to Fair visitors. Each of those products won a first prize in its category, helping Purina share the spotlight with St. Louis. “
BTW, I am also a recent convert due to the Cleveland Plain Dealer story about Egbert.  May we find the rest!

welcome to the mad mad mad mad world of the secret blake.  St. Louis is indeed a city the masses are trying to focus on at the moment and your ideas merit some research.
way to go Egg, your find is bringing in the cavalry.

If you want the page with the jewel box
you need to remove the final period from the url above.
http://www.slfp.com/ForestParkJB.htm

I have been all around Forest Park many times, including last week at the Shakespeare Festival.  While awaiting friends, I again stood outside the Art Museum, near the St. Louis statue, yet again looking out on the park from a high vantage point and taking a romp to examine yet another thing.  I’ve looked at every “thing” in the park, but tomorrow I will go look again with this pic in mind (this too, again).
Thanks for some info that I had not discovered (the gazelles and Purina’s role in the Fair).  I’ll post my discoveries, if any.
I still wonder about that “thing” in the box with the gazelle.  What the heck is that thing?  I am partial to neVar’s Lego police car.
–Johann

lord…

I did find a split stairway fountain in Forest Park, on the hill beneath the World’s Fair Pavilion.  The stair on each side makes a turn, as does the “stairs” on the left side of the image but not the stairs on the right side.  The circular bowl fountain shoots water up high (like the top vertical line in the image) and the water spills over the bowl (like the curved lines in the image) and then the water descends as a waterfall in the middle between the stairs and into a rectangular or squarish pool.  Could the light-colored square on the bottom of the image represent the pool or the waterfall?  This could be a reach.
Of course, this interpretation strongly depends on the image as being representational.  It is definitely not a literal picture of the fountain.  But, that is all I have found so far.

I know that we have discussed the runes in the X box.  I believe it was fox who contributed info.
Another idea: upside-down, the one on the right looks like a V.  Right-side up, the one on the left looks like a P.
If so, this VP (unless it is a PV) could represent Vandeventer Place, which I mention in my long post above.  If so, could the X, aside from indicating the month of October, simply mean “X marks the spot”?  I know this is a lot of supposing, ending with the most ridiculously obvious joke in treasure hunting, but what do y’all think?   –Johann

Hi everyone. I asked my boss to look at the leg and head photo. He is a taxidermist and knows animals pretty well. His impression was a fox head and a horse leg because the hoof does not appear split. This made me think immediately of the Missouri Fox Trotters. I live in Missouri but I know very little about these horses.

Unknown

Unknown:
I did find a split stairway fountain in Forest Park, on the hill beneath the World’s Fair Pavilion.  Could the light-colored square on the bottom of the image represent the pool or the waterfall?

Any chance you could post or point us to a picture of the fountain.  I know I am extrapolating lots from very little data, but this is the kind of thing I was thinking when I was thinking it looked like a fountain.

this fountain?
could be…
and does this match?
or is it not close enough…

xlurker–
Thanks for the info on the Fox Trotters.  There are mounted police in Forest Park, but I’m not sure what breeds they ride.
Where are you in Missouri?  I am in St. Louis.
maltedfalcon–
Yes, that is the fountain I had in mind, but I am not sure if it is represented by the “thing.”  If your photo was back a bit, you would see the stairs on each side of it.  As you can see, the square on the bottom of the “thing” (and your drawing) does not match the fountain well.  And by the way, nice drawing!  That will help.

Just having fun… you never know…
http://www.winforkids.org/About/Churchi … 0Bookj.jpg
http://www.downwardwave.com/%5Cimages%5 … harlie.jpg

No offense taken. I have done awful awful things.

erexere

No offense taken. I have done awful awful things.

Awful, but Great

First post ever…
Digging Friday at 11 AM for this image, at a location that has yet to be mentioned anywhere online.
Took 6 weeks to secure permission, so forgive me if I am reluctant to share my info…… yet!

Jmdemster

First post ever…
Digging Friday at 11 AM for this image, at a location that has yet to be mentioned anywhere online.
Took 6 weeks to secure permission, so forgive me if I am reluctant to share my info…… yet!

The war eagles of Q4T are about to descend on you.
Good luck.

I know. Iv’e been actively reading this site for about 2 months now, and have noticed characters who I feel would take that info, swoop in and illegally dig. Took too long to secure this to jeopardize anything. Regardless of the Friday outcome, I will share everything this weekend.

Fenix

Good luck is right! Especially at this time of year.

Thanks! Weather looks suitable though.

Absolutely!
I haven’t claimed to find anything, just claiming that I will be digging. I hope you understand why I cant share yet….I was going to wait to post too, but I’m antsy and excited!

No

Fenix

That’s what I thought. Are you digging in Canada?

Nope

Jmdemster

Nope

Okay, time for questions…
How does the location fit with the immigration theme? The rest of the imagery? You’ve got a 800 pound leg eater to explain, lol!

Scottish-Irish

Neither, especially since both of those have been found. Would be rather fruitless on my part…

Fenix

Not to mention Lat/Long

I’ve got the whole image interpreted. Whether I’m right or wrong will be determined.

If this is the same guy i was talking to on reddit, then its sf.

thesonofhades

If this is the same guy i was talking to on reddit, then its sf.

Not the same guy….

lol…

Could you at least share part of your solution, so I can hate on it from my ivory tower while providing nothing constructive? That’s kind of my thing.
I hope this is in St. Louis.

Jmdemster

I haven’t claimed to find anything, just claiming that I will be digging. I hope you understand why I cant share yet….I was going to wait to post too, but I’m antsy and excited!

I’m not sure I understand this emotional urge to make a post to a forum where you haven’t been participating before, not getting to know us first, only to say you think you’ve thought of something we haven’t. (And after more than a decade of discussion, I’ll be surprised to hear anything we haven’t already at least considered in the past). Why not wait until after the dig, successful or not, to join our group and tell us a good story.
Am I just old and cranky?

catherwood

I’m not sure I understand this emotional urge to make a post to a forum where you haven’t been participating before, not getting to know us first, only to say you think you’ve thought of something we haven’t. (And after more than a decade of discussion, I’ll be surprised to hear anything we haven’t already at least considered in the past). Why not wait until after the dig, successful or not, to join our group and tell us a good story.
Am I just old and cranky?

So be it…

If you cpould match up any part of this image(9) with a map or outline of Kentucky, or even Louiville for that matter, you’d really be on to something.  I tried, couldn,t find anything.

Hi there!
New here.
Just read the whole of this thread…great read.
I just took a look at Forest Park on Google Earth. The lake near to the golf course and (what I think is) the Jewel Box looks a lot like the shape of the mouth and nose of the Picture.
The corresponding “eyes” have funny trails off of them like the picture but are not close together like the pic.
Just a newbie…don’t shoot me down…LOL

Bogieman-
I saw no map.
Did Houston image have a map?

Additionally:
The triple crown is comprised of three legs (the three jewels):
Kentucky Derby, Churchilll Downs, First Leg, 1 mile and 1/4 = 10 furlongs
Pimlico, Maryland, Second Leg, 1 mile and 1/8 = 9 furlongs
Belmont, Long Island, 1 mile and 1/2 = 12 furlongs
Horse Racing is referred to as The Sport of Kings (just so expensive)

anash27–
Interesting find.  The golf courses have been greatly redone since BP buried the casques.  I have worked with this image and St. Louis extensively, but alas, I am stumped.

The hat worn in the photo seems to be
a Hounds Ivy Beret Cabbie Hat –
no pointed top, no brim, no tassel.
And the right hand side emphasizes a crushed
worn style.
This is a common European style with
versions in London, France, Spain.

Trohn, take a look at this site I posted on image12.
http://www.freewebs.com/patcash/pics.htm
Northern NJ looks like the shape of the liberty hair when she’s upside down.  Some time ago, it was posted here that the part of this hat that looks
crushed
may be an outline or part of a map.  Not everyone agrees with my image12 obsevation, but I see it clearly.

Unknown

Unknown:
The hat worn in the photo seems to be
a Hounds Ivy Beret Cabbie Hat –
no pointed top, no brim, no tassel.

Trohn – It looks like nothing of the sort to me. Think late 15th / early 16th century European (French / Italian). It looks like something Columbus would have worn:
http://www.northernelectric.ca/medieval/hats/hats.htm
http://www.northernelectric.ca/medieval/hats/hatpix/raphae14.jpg

I see the following head wear.
It is warn straight, not slanted.

BoogieMan-
I can not help but see NJ coast all over
Image 12.
I see no maps on Image 9.
I see at least four images of horses.
My book came in the mail this morning
so I will be able to get a new perspective.

regulus

the winners circle? can you dig there?

who knows now…
back then I am sure it was much more open.
Churchill Downs was not as corporate in 1981.

Regarding the St. Louis theory, I am just plain stumped.  Let me know when you are coming this way, Forest Blight.

Insane, what is the St. Louis logo?

Unknown

Unknown:
Thanks to Dan’s high-res pics, I was able to notice something in this picture.  Like many of the other pictures, this one also seems to have a geographic outline of something — it’s on the top right side of his hat, and can be seen very clear in the high res pic.
If you look at his hair, on the right side, you will see the number 73.  There also appears to be something else — the letter “C”?

Let’s use that “73” to figure out the possible city — using Fox’s latitude/longitude idea.  Probably somewhere in New England.

Unknown

Unknown:
Thanks to Dan’s high-res pics, I was able to notice something in this picture.  Like many of the other pictures, this one also seems to have a geographic outline of something — it’s on the top right side of his hat, and can be seen very clear in the high res pic.
If you look at his hair, on the right side, you will see the number 73.  There also appears to be something else — the letter “C”?

Let’s use that “73” to figure out the possible city — using Fox’s latitude/longitude idea.  Probably somewhere in
New
England.

WhiteRabbit

Sly didn’t find the casque, but it was great to make contact with a veteran puzzle-solver in the city with a willingness to go out and dig holes in local parks. I can post up his thoughts and findings if there’s any interest. Montreal has always seemed a difficult one to progress though, and I don’t really know what other people make of it. For one thing, I’m pretty focussed on V2 for Montreal, which I know is an unpopular choice. I don’t know how many people on this forum still think there’s a treasure in Montreal, or what verse they’re trying to use for it. I still have no idea how anyone even found the legeater in the first place. Was it suspected that there was a casque in Montreal before that, or was the discovery sheer coincidence?

This news is a bummer, but good on ’em! And thanks for the updates!
Montreal was suggested long before the “legeater” discovery, which made it even more palatable. I’ve given this one lots of thought, as have others, and Verse 2 is very reasonable. What makes it hard, though, is that the verse is so consistent with a couple of other known locations as well.
I wish I would have known he was going… Did Sly check behind the wall at the top of the steps, in the back-center of the park? That’s been my proposition for a while.
One really interesting aspect of a Montreal solve would be… I think it would break open the verse conundrum: There are many verses with literary quotes that seem to specify/confirm a specific place (St. Charles Hotel = New Orleans), as well as lines (Paul Revere’s ride = Boston); It would be great for a solve to come along that either proved the lines to be complimentary to the location, or prove them as red herrings (i.e. the Revere line verse is NOT in Boston).
I guess we’ll have to wait and see.
Thanks, again, for the update WR.

(Thanks for that four21thrasher. I’m not sure exactly where he dug, but I’m hoping for some pics. I’ll see if he might be tempted towards the forum, though he’s pretty busy with the legendary French puzzle “Sur la trace de la chouette d’or”…
)

Unknown

Unknown:
We went to dig the hole yesterday…there was a lot of rocks….

Sly didn’t find the casque, but it was great to make contact with a veteran puzzle-solver in the city with a willingness to go out and dig holes in local parks. I can post up his thoughts and findings if there’s any interest. Montreal has always seemed a difficult one to progress though, and I don’t really know what other people make of it. For one thing, I’m pretty focussed on V2 for Montreal, which I know is an unpopular choice. I don’t know how many people on this forum still think there’s a treasure in Montreal, or what verse they’re trying to use for it. I still have no idea how anyone even found the legeater in the first place. Was it suspected that there was a casque in Montreal before that, or was the discovery sheer coincidence?

Please go with this.  Perhaps the pic is NOT St. Louis.

I looked at Tower Grove Park online. We should keep this in mind but I do not think this is the park. I did not realy see anything in the image that looked like anything there. However the Gray Giant verse could possibly fit. If I rember right johann you used what we now think is the New Orleans verse to search Tower Grove.
I am open to other ideas but judgeing from the image it looks like the casque is in forest park somewhare around either the World’s Fair Pavilion or Pagoda Circle.
Looking at Forest Park online Verses 3 6 and 10 could fit. The correct verse among these three can be decerned by figuering out the historic event clues in the verse.
I will review everything and let you know if find out something. I will be updateing my image to verse match thread soon with what may turn out to be the correct combination depending on what we find in STL.

I looked at Tower Grove Park online. We should keep this in mind but I do not think this is the park. I did not realy see anything in the image that looked like anything there. However the Gray Giant verse could possibly fit. If I rember right johann you used what we now think is the
New
Orleans
verse to search Tower Grove.
I am open to other ideas but judgeing from the image it looks like the casque is in forest park somewhare around either the World’s Fair Pavilion or Pagoda Circle.
Looking at Forest Park online Verses 3 6 and 10 could fit. The correct verse among these three can be decerned by figuering out the historic event clues in the verse.
I will review everything and let you know if find out something. I will be updateing my image to verse match thread soon with what may turn out to be the correct combination depending on what we find in STL.

I’ve done as much research as I could on the Vancouver B.C. area and shared a lot of thoughts on the Opal puzzle already, but only now is it starting to make sense. There’s still work to be done and there’s several problems to manage, especially given that there’s little agreement on how to solve these puzzles.
Image 9 + Verse 10: Vancouver B.C.
Begin with the fact that Image 9 holds the Opal, the jewel of the Lowland Gnomes and described in the Litany of the Jewels as “a cloud of shining, shifting smoke”, and the term Lowland is typically associated with either Holland (Netherlands) or Scotland (to differentiate the Lowlands from the Highlands).
In terms of looking for a connection to Holland, Vancouver makes the most sense of anywhere for a couple reasons:
1) Van-couver. The word
“van”
is typically used in names or as a preposition for “of” or “the” in the Netherlands.
2) The word ‘Holland’ according to the Oxford source for word origins has listed that
Holland
is derived from
hol land
(“hollow land”) and was inspired by the low-lying geography of Holland and this might identify well with a feature in Stanley Park, Vancouver B.C. known as the
“Hollow Tree”
.
Image 9 features a caricatue of Hans Christian Andersen with his fingers and hands positioned as in the church-steeple-see-all-the-people. Given that he is a well known fairy tale writer, it’s possible Preiss wanted to honor him with one of the puzzles. Andersen is from Denmark, just northeast of Holland, so regionally speaking he and his stories are a prime candidate choice for the Lowland Gnome puzzle. The very first sentence of
The Little Mermaid
story by Andersen talks about how the deep ocean couldn’t be measured by stacking many church steeples. This then compels us to wonder why The Little Mermaid might serve as an inspiration for this puzzle.
A sculpture in Stanley Park,
Girl in Wetsuit
is closely based on the
Little Mermaid of Copenhagen
sculpture made in honor of Hans Christian Andersen.
The first line of verse 10:
In the shadow
, points us further in the direction of HC Andersen if we read his short tale
“The Shadow”
, in which a learned man becomes separated from his shadow. His shadow travels and learns about the world and returns to show his former self that he has become as much a “man” as he. It gets married to a woman and has his former self executed.
Preiss uses these literary references to help us understand the nature of this puzzle as it’s based on duplicates or things which are “evenly split”. After pondering the Shadow for some time and thinking about the idea of measurement by stacking steeples, I started to understand the principal theme of this puzzle involves splitting things up evenly, which brought a common idiom to mind known as “going Dutch”.
But wait…what about the
Mount Stephen Club
in Montreal? What about all the other clues that people have determined MUST fit Image 9 and Verse 5, etc.? Doesn’t that contradict everything I’ve put forth? Short Answer: it depends. Most of peoples insights have been brought forth from a process of combing the region, which is essentially a random or scattered way of picking and choosing details almost completely from highly selective visual interpretation and for some odd reason people seem utterly satisfied to think the puzzle puts you in the Golden Square Mile and are ultimately remiss to explain how anything makes sense as a whole. Scraping together a bunch of crumbs doesn’t make a sandwich. Following the crumbs is what we’re meant to do. This three-legged lamp, shaped as a cougar eating the leg of it’s prey, on the front steps of a Scotsman and founder of the Canadian Pacific Railway, was selected by Preiss in accordance with a theme. What characteristics of this lamp and it’s location in Montreal so far away from Vancouver B.C. could possibly his design?
It’s split evenly into three legs. It’s the head of one creature, eating another creature’s leg. It’s an easy tie to the CPR, first transcontinnental railroad taking people from Montreal to Vancouver. If we liken it to the idea that the Girl in Wetsuit is a replica knock-off of the Mermaid in Copenhagen, then we might recognize that there is a miniature replica train which includes CPR No. 374 in Stanley Park, Vancouver B.C. We might also recognize that “three legs” is a symbol that appears on the flag of
Isle of Man
just west of Scotland.
The last line of verse 10:
Isle of B
, just might connect to man responsible for installing the Girl in Wetsuit sculpture His name: Douglas Brown. The main character of the Shadow is only referred to as “the learned man”. This “man” is an important clue for the Isle of B. The capital city of the Isle of Man is Douglas. Thus, the replica mermaid sits on the Isle of Brown.
Some other features in Stanley Park provide much interest. The grave of poet E. Pauline Johnson of Mohawk-English decent, named Tehaniawake which means “double-life” is in Stanley Park. There are three giant checkerboards next to Pipeline Rd. just west of the Miniature Train.
I’m not really sure where to dig yet, but I have some ideas. Any help figuring out the Vancouver location would be appreciated.

What?!
so sorry.

333 commonwealth is where the lamp is there are two, one on one side of walkway
and the other side of walkway
the building is condos, so prob has change managment and owners several times over the years
slim chance of finding out anything about the co that made the lamps

@mr backstop
Just a general question about your Montreal solve. Does the legeater come into play with your interpretation of the verse at all? Does your solve include the legeater as part of a walking tour theory? Is the legeater a mere coincidence?
I admittedly know very little about this particular verse/image combination and Montreal in general, but the legeater match is a very powerful thing that I don’t think should be underestimated.
To me, any verse can be applied to any city or park if you really want it bad enough. Unless you have a bowman caliber match to keep you looking in the correct area, it is very difficult to know if we are chasing our own tails.

Sorry catherwood, I am going to let this image through because I fear nobody would click my link otherwise,

Or maybe it’s a puzzle

Glossiphoniidae

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Sounds like they put in enough time to figure out SOME things right. I wouldn’t say they were way off point.

I agree I think this is STL although the legeater will need more investigation. I also think the Image is telling us Verse 6 and it looks like Verse 6 goes to Forest Park. Same old broken record therory have not had time to investigate further.

i was thinking what if… the legeater is just to represent a satyr……..
i wanted to see if there was one in st. louis, the museum or something, and i see where “Puck’s cafe is in the art museum in forest park…i think puck is a satyr………i haven’t done any research on that cafe, but i do know, there’s a lot of mention of four star restaurants in the field guide, plus pictures…..
i started out in new orleans looking at the satyrs in the botanical garden, thinking, “namesakes”
here’s some pics of satyrs:
http://narzil.tfcentral.com/za13.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ladysatyr.JPG
and the ones in new orleans:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= … l%26sa%3DN
all that, and it doesn’t take you to the page, lol…………….click on enrique alferez 1901( 3rd column), then scroll down to #27

If that were true ,then I would expect it to be more generic and not an exact copy of a lamp that exists in montreal….

Pauline Johnson loved Stanley Park. A favorite activity of hers was to paddle her canoe named “Wildcat” around Lost Lagoon. Her poem “In the Shadows” is a nice short read. I noticed the words FLOAT in the 6th stanza and CANOE in the 9th as they are letters found in the acrostic of verse 10. The letters are a bit mixed up, so I played with it like a jumble:
I O F E I Y C A N S T O T O F O L A I O T
I F
Y CANOE IS
T O T O O
I FLOAT
Line in 6th stanza: WHERE
I FLOAT
.
Line in 9th stanza: M
Y CANOE IS
GROWING LAZY,
The letters that don’t seem to fit a fragment of the poem: IFTOTOO. TO I FOOT? TO IOO FT?
The legeater looks spot on for being a wildcat eating a foot.

I believe that visual cues send us to Dorchester Square fka Dominion Square in downtown Montreal.
The Square is flanked on one side by the Sunlife Building (Metcalfe St.), and by Windsor Hotel (Peel St.) on the other.
Here is an album I compiled with visual cues from Image 9:
http://imgur.com/a/6V7Xb

Xieish

This isnt the only way to get there, but the Cartier monument isn’t very far from the legeater:
http://goo.gl/maps/g0N1S

yes we looked into the cartier monument heavily but I think at the time we were concentrating on verse 7
First Across
just above the monument up the hill is a large cross
and if you first came from the leg eater to the top of the mount, you would first reach the cross before reaching the giant pole of the cartier monument.
I forget what the results were when we examined it in light of the other verses.
other then we figured we needed someone actually onsite, with local knowledge.

Here is confirmation that image 9 is Montreal. I have mirrored the outline of the river and rotated it. It is not possible to accurately fit the outline to the image like some of the other images but there are lots of features which are noticeable on the head:
– the widening of the river corresponds to the neck.
– the raised hair on the right.
– the hanging hair on the right.
– the eyes match the bend in the river.
– the chin where the land bulges into the river.
– his right ear is positioned where there is a small island.
– crumpled top of the hat where the river width varies.

That’s too bad. He had some good ideas. It’s easy to get into pissing contest trap here. BTDT. As Goldengate mentored me before, “get thicker skin or get the F out!”

Choice

That’s too bad. He had some good ideas. It’s easy to get into pissing contest trap here. BTDT. As Goldengate mentored me before, “get thicker skin or get the F out!”

burnstyle

I started this puzzle, like many of you did, alone in my hunt. Slowly I started making friends which eventually lead into the podcast, and the facebook pages you all enjoy so much. The podcast completely changed the way I view this hunt. Sitting around for hours, listening to people like Jo-Ellen and Ben reminisce about Byron made me realize that this book didn’t start out, like many of us thought, as a cash grab…
From people who restructure their family vaction just to hang out for a bit, to people who blow up and call us assholes on facebook… and yes… even Josh Cornell, you have all become a part of the wonderfuly large disfunctional Secret family.

I’m not a member of the Wiki, and I haven’t looked over there in months, so it was interesting when you brought up Dambala’s recent postings. The last time I was on the Wiki, he was having a pissing contest with those members and then announced he was starting his own blog/forum/cite where he would continue his quest; he posted a link, then checked out. I can’t find the original post to cite my source (I think the Wiki dumps content regularly to make space), maybe I just don’t know how that forum works. Dambala, aka Jason Berry, is some sort of rogue warrior in this hunt and believe me, I hope more than anything else he finds himself a treasure and he boasts about it loud and proud somewhere so we can all celebrate alongside him.
Josh Cornell is definitely a loony-tune, but for whatever brief time he occupied this forum, he was and always will be “our Josh.” I’m truly sad he burned his bridges and got himself the forever boot. Even the Great and Powerful burnstyle (of the podcast fame) recognized Josh Cornell as “family” once upon a time:
Retrieved from: Ok, let’s talk about this casque. pg. 1. July 31, 2018.

I’ve found nothing to support the Cougar is/was still on display since 1980.  Stanley Park has been in the news in recent months for a number of arson incidents.  Why do people have to screw things up for others?
I thought the legeater shares the characteristic ears back while teeth barred same as the cougars in these images.
forestblight has done some of the most extensive research on this lamp.  The photo from 1903 suggests the lamp has been there long before the events of Oct. 1911 when the cougar went on a leg bender in Stanley Park.  Given this logical beginning I might be best off concluding that Preiss studied the Mount Stephen Club for sometime and concluded that a beast-eat-leg in connection to train-cross-country could be enough to spark a leap to Stanley Park.  Both points are giant clues.  The chess boards “3” and the presidential speeches in 3 volumes are also huge.  Even the latitude number, currently consider a 4/6 combo is a little suspicious given the lat of Montreal is 45.5 and the strong alternative of the 6 being flipped as a 9 inverted on the same line as the 4 is a better fit with the lat of Vancouver, 49.2.  It really is too bad I can’t find the image that shows how all the strands of hair on both sides of the mans head matches the same flow of strands including the curls on each of the two women’s statues.  It is EXACT.

technically I think you only need the passport to come home. but I could be wrong about that.
and again it might look somewhat like a cougar, but it looks exactly like a lamp, making all other comparisons moot and therefore pointless.

could habitat 67 be our weeble wobble thing?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habitat_67
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt … CBoQ9QEwBA
if the hands are symolizing “here is the steeple”,  wouldn’t you just dig somewhere around the ‘big cross” at mont royal park?….umm, using  the right verse of course  ;D  😀
i know a steeple’s not a cross……..but an “X”, can be a symbol for  “cross”

image 9 is a rebus. turn the image 90 degrees counterclockwise… his nose, an arrow, shows the way it flows:
monk
three
all

Glossiphoniidae

image 9 is a rebus. turn the image 90 degrees counterclockwise… his nose, an arrow, shows the way it flows:
monk
three
all

Damn, that’s dope.

erexere

Damn, that’s dope.

Fitting… I give creative credit to my other girlfriend, MJ.

Glossiphoniidae

image 9 is a rebus. turn the image 90 degrees counterclockwise… his nose, an arrow, shows the way it flows:
monk
three
all

(sigh)  Okay, I give in.  This is Montreal.
Montreal’s coordinates are 45.5 x 73.6
So, that flower probably holds the 46.  As for the 73, that’s in his hair.  Bingo.
Congratulations, everyone, we got it.
That means Image 12 is
New
York.  Since Boston is probably Image 11, there is no St. Louis, no Vancouver, no Salt Lake City.
Now, back to Image 9 – what clue is on his forehead?  J9?

(sigh)  Okay, I give in.  This is Montreal.
Montreal’s coordinates are 45.5 x 73.6
So, that flower probably holds the 46.  As for the 73, that’s in his hair.  Bingo.
Congratulations, everyone, we got it.
That means Image 12 is New York.  Since Boston is probably Image 11, there is no St. Louis, no Vancouver, no Salt Lake City.
Now, back to Image 9 – what clue is on his forehead?  J9?

Ooooh, I never noticed that! Nice.

Or perhaps this one…
This is Trois Rivieres, 46N/72W. Maybe the big 3 is our clue since Trois=3.

Now that I can hang my hat on. Didn’t really buy the rebus but this is concrete. Leg eater is back in business. He never went out of business for me though.

fox

Now that I can hang my hat on. Didn’t really buy the rebus but this is concrete. Leg eater is back in business. He never went out of business for me though.

There really was never any doubt.

maltedfalcon pointed out the resemblance of the collar to the St. Lawrence River in 2008, but I’m glad to see the theory resurrected. It’s a good one.
Now, what verse?
There are several possibilities for “Isle of B” in Montreal toward which one may look when facing north(ish). Here is a nearly complete list:
Iles de Boucherville (or Bouchard)
Ile Bizard
Ile Bonfoin
Ile Bourdon
Ile au Bois Blanc
Ile Bellegarde
Ile Boutin
Ile Bigras
Ile Boisee
Ile Belair
shecrab suggested Cartier as “him of Hard word,” and there is a gigantic statue of him on the north side of Mt. Royal Park.
There is a St. Louis Lake right beside Montreal, and this may agree with my theory that our fellow’s arched eyebrow (look close) signifies the arch in “our” St. Louis, and agrees with BP’s statement that we wouldn’t be wrong to look in St Louis. There is also a St. Louis Park, and probably several other St. Louis named locations.

I admit, I know very little about the details in Montreal. But, I visited there this summer for a few days to visit friends. While there, I treated the legeater (post demolition) as an area indicator much like the bowman in Chicago. The short time I was there was spent looking for something else in that general area that matches the image. Obviously, I didn’t find squat, nor did I really expect to.
My point is, someone with more time and who is more familiar with the area may be able to find what Fenix is looking for. If Montreal has the equivalent of Chicago’s fence and fixture, my bet is that it isn’t (or wasn’t) too far away from the legeater.

Fenix

My question has always been, how do we arrive at the legeater? Nobody has been able to get there without stretching the verse. So what is left in the image that we may be missing? The line at the top right of the hat….maybe some additional detail in the flower. What are we missing in this image? Or does this work slightly different than Chicago and Cleveland?

So let’s pretend we are looking at the book with fresh eyes, and have some knowledge of Montreal, like the kids from Chicago did for Image 5.
What do we see? Some outlines that look like features in Montreal. Maybe we even catch the coordinates to confirm. Now what? There are a ton of gold squares and a weird looking dog with a leg in it’s mouth in a gold square. Other than how strange the monk looks, that is the focus of the image. Being aware of Montreal, we can easily jump to the conclusion that it has something to do with Gold Square Mile. This narrows things down significantly.
At this point is where competing theories regarding approaching the puzzles comes into play. Some do not believe that there should be any historical research and that the image should reveal things we can see in and around the dig site. in other words, purely visual. Others, myself included, believe that the book, being a pseudo-historical tale, should make us look into historical references for answers.
There are some other techniques which I believe BP utilized in constructing the puzzles that no one is in agreement about. However, it leaves us to wonder if after 36 years and only two casques located, if the current accepted beliefs are correct on how these puzzles are constructed.

Fenix

My point here is I believe it doesn’t. What if you are told where to find it?

I’m not following, can you clarify please?

Fenix

Sorry, I completely missed your post Gman. I don’t believe this puzzle or more specifically the image works like Chicago.
You made some excellent points that I agree with. Let me get to my PC and I will show you how I believe it works.

Sounds good.

Fenix

My point here is I believe it doesn’t have much more. What if you are told where to find it?
The legeater is certainly not the equivalent of the bowman, is it?

Why not? It is distinctive, and proven to be rare. If you have deciphered enough clues to get you to Montreal and you actually find the legeater, how could you be steered away from that area without another perfect image match? Or, if the verse starts to direct you quite literally.
The bowman kept the Chicago crew in the correct area even when they misinterpreted the verse. I hope you have a new angle to look at this solution. The seemingly simple approach isn’t working and neither is the deep literary diving approach.
I’m looking forward to your thoughts.

Fenix

My point here is I believe it doesn’t have much more. What if you are told where to find it?
The legeater is certainly not the equivalent of the bowman, is it?

Why not? It is distinctive, and proven to be rare. If you have deciphered enough clues to get you to Montreal and you actually find the legeater, how could you be steered away from that area without another perfect image match? Or, if the verse starts to direct you quite literally.
The bowman kept the Chicago crew in the correct area even when they misinterpreted the verse. I hope you have a
new
angle to look at this solution. The seemingly simple approach isn’t working and neither is the deep literary diving approach.
I’m looking forward to your thoughts.

Fenix

Can we rewind 10 years or so? Ravel07 stumbles upon the two legeater lamps in Montreal. Nobody has been able to find another in North America since.
I’m sure that we can all agree that we were not intended to come across the lamps by pure luck. How do you all believe that we were supposed to find the lamps?

There is one in the Boston Public Library and I think another one somewhere. I think if you search on here you can find the info.

gManTexas

There is one in the Boston Public Library and I think another one somewhere. I think if you search on here you can find the info.

One at 333 Comm Ave too here in Bos.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/333+C … 71.0875216