Fenix

Sure, there is also a pair 2 blocks over on Peel in Montreal at the MAAA,
https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.5013967,-73.5757084,3a,39.6y,221.54h,91.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slnLOaBEGkDCYK84wo7f1iw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
None of these are matches to the painting though. I’ll rephrase my question if that helps. See below.
I’m sure that we can all agree that we were not intended to come across the lamps by pure luck. How do you all believe that we were supposed to find the lamps that are a match to the painting?

Not to sound glib, but once you have the city nailed down, by looking around for clues and associations. Just like some of the features in the Chicago and Cleveland puzzles.

Fenix

I suppose that could be true and am not at all trying to discredit it but would you agree that something gets you to that location in Chicago?

Coordinates, map overlays, objects that identify the city and relative area.

Fenix

In conjunction with verse lines, etc, etc. Agreed.
In Montreal, we have:
Coordinates
Maps
River
Prime Minister
and an exact match of the base of a small lamp

I agree. Is there some doubt that a casque is (or was) in Montreal? There seems to be a lot of evidence pointing to Montreal.

Has there been any correlations of casque locations with World’s Fair host locations or more just coincidence? New York, San Fran, Chicago, Cleveland seems to be there although St. Augustine doesn’t.
https://americasbesthistory.com/usworldsfairs.html

Has there been any correlations of casque locations with World’s Fair host locations or more just coincidence?
New
York, San Fran, Chicago, Cleveland seems to be there although St. Augustine doesn’t.
https://americasbesthistory.com/usworldsfairs.html

gqchu

Has there been any correlations of casque locations with World’s Fair host locations?
https://americasbesthistory.com/usworldsfairs.html

Well, the World’s Fair in Chicago wasn’t in Grant Park…..so, if there is a correlation, it’s just to the city, in general.

gqchu

Has there been any correlations of casque locations with World’s Fair host locations?
https://americasbesthistory.com/usworldsfairs.html

I have thought the same thing, however I think it is coincidental, since many of the cities are major and historically important. This theory obviously breaks down when we start looking at St. Augustine and Roanoke Island.

gManTexas

There is one in the Boston Public Library and I think another one somewhere. I think if you search on here you can find the info.

its not the same the garibaldi candelbra is from italy the bpl one is from nyc

What happened to you 421? You use to be so awesome.

erexere

Revisiting thre flower compared to stump shape on large tree,

I don’t remember seeing this before. Where is that tree located?

That’s the lumberman’s arch tree in Stanley Park Vancouver BC

A quick google search also shows that Stanley Park has lifesize checkerboards throughout…..

Egbert

I don’t remember seeing this before. Where is that tree located?

actually the best possibility for the blob I have ever seen was a fountain in St Louis. It was spot on.
If it werent for the legeater, my vote would be St. Louis.

maltedfalcon

actually the best possibility for the blob I have ever seen was a fountain in St Louis. It was spot on.
If it werent for the legeater, my vote would be St. Louis.

Ah yes, I was just going to put that in my edit.
I’m trying to avoid image manipulation as much as possible.  In accordance with the thematic style I think inherent in several images, I believe there’s a fair amount of reversal and symmetry at work as well as some negative space outlines and very minor rotation of some elements within each image, such as a 90 degree or 180 degree rotation.
I think the blob compared to itself shows a large degree of symmetry.  I’m comparing the cannon base, but only a partial view of it to the corresponding partial view of the blob.  Looks to me that the only difference between the full blob and the symmetric (right half copy and pasted in horizontal reversed) blob have some strong similarities except for the pronounced difference in the small foot on the lower left side.  I use a red arrow to suggest a small adjustment would give an exact match.

well sure, but with small adjustments, I can make it match all kinds of things.
I notice you also change the angle of the top layers sides.  and remove the bottom spaces.
I don’t think it matches very well at all.

Yes, i shrank the width to simulate the actual perspective given that the view on the gun is not directly from the side but from the rear at an angle on either side.  Also I used the Vctoria one o’clock gun as my model which is the same for these purposes.
Stairs viewed at an angle look much shorter or steeper.  Sorry to have expressed that poorly.

my original explanation is much better.

atdreamer2112

Hey Spinner, thanks so much for sharing this article, and welcome back! I read a lot of your previous contributions. I’m curious if you currently believe Image 9 is St. Louis or Montreal? I have no personal preference, but when I started reading the “so close we can taste it” thread, I desperately wanted a home run for St. Louis!

That was so long ago it was before the Leg Eater Lamp was found. The only way that this Image is in St Louis is if we can find that lamp in St. Louis or a record of it. There are so many places where it could have been that are just gone or have been refurbished so it’s more of a passive search. If I find a picture of it having been st the Chase Park Plaza or the Checkerdome or something I’ll be sure to light the board up.

already finished this one.

Has anyone got any further ideas relating to the theory of the index pointing at what would be Drummond Street if the 13 columns of squares on the man’s shirt were the 13 N-S streets in the Golden Square Mile?

beauseja9

Has anyone got any further ideas relating to the theory of the index pointing at what would be Drummond Street if the 13 columns of squares on the man’s shirt were the 13 N-S streets in the Golden Square Mile?

Check out the posts made by fenix on page 145 of this thread. That’s probably the best answer to your question.

I have a question: was the legeater–the specific part that IS the legeater–the part that J W Fiske made? Is it definitely one of their designs?

i have not given up on p-9 as montreal, because of the
legeater, ive inquired to a few of the older, iron work co.
here and in england, so far the reponse has been, they have
never seen anything like it. i emailed the club, no reponse
from them yet, it has been almost a month, im thinking they
are not going to respond
i think the posters name is revole, and he/she lives near or in
montreal. revloe if you could sometime, go to the club on
sunday, as it is open to the public on sundays, maybe you
could find out a little more on the lamp, it seems thier would
have to be some plans drawings ect., that would contain info on
the lamp.
revole if you could look at this park too, thanks
well ive searched almost every park in the area, and i found a
cherkerboard on these links, a very large checkerboard, one link
said it is an old pool, but not why it has that pattern.
the park can be found on maps by two names
parc notre dame de grace and girouard Park
the only dutch connection i found, is a danish club, a few blocks
from the park
club address /5455 de Maisonneuve West, montreal
http://www.danishclubmontreal.com/mem.shtml
map/club and park
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&i … _medium=ha
park maps
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=45.4728055&lo … =0&m=a&v=2
http://wikimapia.org/54576/Girouard-Park-NDG
roll mouse over squares to see the park, then zoom in

Unknown

Unknown:
the only dutch connection i found, is a danish club,

??
Last I checked Denmark and Holland were two different countries…..

wanted to post this picture and see if anyone besides me thought it resembled the legeater…been reading the book a little and read about seward, so i checked out seward park in new york and found this sculpture:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= … l%26sa%3DN
i mean the picture of “togo” on that flickr site………the dog, look at the fence behind him too, could that be the blob?
here’s another angle:
http://www.everystockphoto.com/photo.php?imageId=665437

Well yes it  sure does,
excepting the mouth is closed it is missing the deerleg and it was created and placed in 2001…
but that nose is spot on!…

Re: image 9
« Reply #1031 on: Today at 09:38:18 am
Last I checked Denmark and Holland were two different countries
yes i know but looking into it i read, that Denmark and Holland,
and finland are all part of the netherlands, and a lot of people
just call them all dutch. not sure if bp would have done this,
but i know people that have, myself included

I think you’ve been reading the wrong websites, cw0909

me to
something else i was wondering about, all the burial sites seem to be on the outer edges
of usa, except montreal of course. so why go to mid of country for a spot to bury, and
that is providng that montreal is wrong just trying to work it out for stl, and no known
legeater there

It was brought up some time ago that the casque cities are all port cities or cities of immigration.

thanks fox
that could include stl if a legeater was to be found there, because  the great M river
has many ports all along it , maybe the coastal ports are more likely then.
but i still wonder why bp chose to go the way he did, and where he started

cw0909

thanks fox
that could include stl if a legeater was to be found there, because  the great M river
has many ports all along it , maybe the coastal ports are more likely then.
but i still wonder why bp chose to go the way he did, and where he started

His path might come in handy but I doubt we will ever know.  And yes, STL still fits into the port city equation.

I don’t believe the lamp was unique, In that I suspect you could order that particular lamp from a particular foundry at a a particular time.
however, how many people ordered that lamp base and installed it is unknown.
perhaps many, perhaps the St Stephens club was the only purchaser…
or perhaps there was one in St Louis or Vancouver in the 1980s and it has since been removed.  however if that was the case I would think it would have been noted or remembered. Since it seems to fulfill the role of an iconic object, it would seem BP thought it noteable wherever he saw it.
I’m not against literary references at all – he obviously used them in the verses. however I have never seen evidence of a literary reference more than one layer deep. moreover, I think the verses are very straightforward
Assuming the legeater in montreal refers to a person who had connections in vancouver so the casque must be in vancouver strains belief.
Isn’t it more likely that the legeater image indicates nothing more than a location along the treasure path?
I am a firm believer that there is one methodology applied across all the casques.  and so far none of the found casques have needed deep literary knowledge of obscure details to find them.

All that is very understandable.  The Chicago and Cleveland verses didn’t demonstrate literary material like some of the others and so I question any constraints that have been developed without that inclusion.
Yes the Vancouver Montreal stretch defies belief unless you consider a special case where the CPR specifically spans Canada from points Montreal and Vancouver.
Btw, i got a vintage map in the mail today.  It clearly marks the location of the checkerboards I’ve been looking for.  There are in a triangle bordered setting.
(I should’ve been more careful cutting this open, I cut the map by accident).
I outlined several of the park’s tourist attractions,
1) Checkers:  there are three patches of checkers on the man’s robe and each estimate to have the same number of black checker squares, which is a good comparison to the three checkerboards here in Stanley Park.  The configuration is almost exactly the same for both, having one board in the center and two boards shifted off center.  Those in the park are turned at an angle making a cup shape \ _ /.
2) Miniature Railway:  legeater lamp belongs to George Stephen, as does the No.374 of the CPR which is in miniature in this park.
3) Harding Memorial:  Him of Hard word, this is an extremely good link to the verse.
4) Lumberman’s Arch:  It’s a grey arm extending over a slender path and it’s base is similar to the flower outline in the image.
5) Nine O’Clock Gun:  This is also an arm, but it links to the interesting choice of words in verse “take twice as many east steps as the hour,” the hour being “nine o’clock”.
6) Hollow Tree:  This is just a hunch, the hands along the wrists have approximately the shape of the tree.  This might also be the grey giant.
7) Pauline Johnsons Monument/Gravesite:  More than a few things about this site stir my interest.  (will discuss more later)
8. Deadman’s Island:  A Natives tribal burial grounds with boxes in the trees containing the bones of warriors.  Possibly why a big X is drawn inside a square.
As you can see, there’s a lot of markers that can potentially fall into place and they account for almost all of the attractions of the park.  I don’t know how St. Louis or Montreal might be considered a better fit at this point.  I’ve studied the St. Louis theory enough to see it’s largely vacant as far as having any serious take on the verse or even a cohesive working of the image.
I still don’t know what the ‘v’ could be.  I’m uncertain on whether “east steps” is steps coming from the east or steps going east.  I know I’m looking at a wind direction perspective, but why wouldn’t Preiss simply say “steps east”.  There’s no preservation of rhyme to utilize the reversal.  I think it’s clear that if we are taking steps, then it’s not going to be through a heavy brush or very rugged terrain.  My guess it’s in a setting close to grass and near a trail.
Here’s another comparison, again it’s not in perfect match territory but this being one of Vancouver’s most recognized buildings, I think it’s very good in terms of gut feeling.  The man’s overall headshape, skinny neck and square filled torso area all work into this fit, The Harbour Center,

maltedfalcon, I see you’re logic is based on an unwillingness to assume the lamp is unique, is that correct?
I’m open to that idea, which makes sense, but it defies one simple consideration, that being the George Stephen connection to the CPR railroad.  You’ve omitted that inference from your response.  All considerations of St. Louis and Vancouver aside, why are you set on arguing against linking information?  I think the lack of literary references in the Cleveland and Chicago solutions have fouled the picture path methodology.  If we’re going to move on and solve more casques I think we need to understand the literary, historical, and even mythological links.

MrBackstop

Nate, I believe the PIE IX is a red herring in this Image.
The box or as I call it, the PX7 box is in reference to Nadia Comaneci in the ’76 Olympics. She was the first athlete to ever score a Perfect 10 in the Olympics. She had a total of 7 Perfect 10s during the games. They were achieved on the Balance Beam and Uneven Bars. The design of the box in Image 9 has a bar at the top and bottom representing the Uneven Bars. The “X” is for the 10 and the thicker diagonal bar of the “X” represents the Balance Beam.
P – Perfect
X – 10
7 – Qty of Perfect 10s
I found that nobody agrees with how I deciphered this but that’s okay. I keep trying to learn more about the Images everyday and out of nowhere new possibilities pop up from what I see or others see.

I get the connection to the Olympics and that could play into this puzzle, but why would we emphasize Nadia Comaneci? With all of the possible clues, why a Romanian gymnast? (with all due respect to her and her accomplishments)

MrBackstop

Nate, I believe the PIE IX is a red herring in this Image.
.

A red herring is an intentionally wrong trail in a treasure hunt. Calling something a red herring is literally the equivalent of saying “NO! YOU’RE WRONG” except adding an element of ridiculous misuse of rhetoric. You’re much better than that, come on.

Hi guys,
Sorry to write about something irrelevant and useless, but I just bumped into this today:
Don’t you think there is a surprising similarity between these two guys?
Well, meet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A._Macdonald
, Canada’s prime minister between 1867–1873, 1878–1891, also well known because he was on 10 dollars banknotes, also in the 80’s…
Of course, it’s in “gnomified” version, but that peculiar nose shape, the unkempt hair, the puffy eyelids (in other pics this trait is more evident).
Sorry in case this was already pointed out, I couldn’t find any relevant post about this…
What do you think?

Scotty-
I do believe (am I the only one?) that it is an intentional image/clue.
Yes, to the right of the hat.
For whatever location the image is associated with, I think this is an
‘obvious’ clue (for the general location) – that is why it is concealed as it is.
If one looks at the image from the book, there should be no question that
the clue exists.

could you guys specifically outline the area you are speaking of in detail.
so that we could compare it to the other “images” that are possibly there.
Can you match this horse rider to a specific statue in St Louis?  “A popular statue in the park is Louis XIV on a horse.” Does it match? There are lots of equestrian statues in montreal also, so a specific match would be important.. If you outline the area you are seeing perhaps we can match it to a montreal statue.
as far as the checkers go, there are checkers that match all over montreal and in the location around the legeater, for instance, the floor of Christ church is checkered,  Checkers are a recurring theme in the decorations around montreal’s china town. there is even a local checkers store who’s marguis is checkered.
Checkers is a pretty common pattern and not unique to a particular city.

Unknown

Unknown:
Checkers is a pretty common pattern and not unique to a particular city.

However, the
checkerboard pattern
is particular to Purina, which is based in St. Louis. I’d say that gives it a BIG edge.

Shecrab, I really want to take your word for it, but I see three faces in image2 and cannot for the life of me figure out how they got here if JJP didn’t do it intentionally.  This is image 2, the lions nose.  The dude in the middle has guns pointed at him from the two other guys.  I know i posted this a long while ago, but, does anyone else see it?  Pirates?  To me, it is as intentional as the images on the lions forehead….

shecrab

However, the
checkerboard pattern
is particular to Purina, which is based in St. Louis. I’d say that gives it a BIG edge.

Unless the picture is for montreal, in which case its not. checkerboards are pretty common, it seems though legeaters arent.

Also found within a block of Mount Stephen Club is this image.  Notice the X on the building in the bottom left corner..
we could now possibly have the “legeater”, the flower, and the “X” all within one block…

a few weeks for Trohn to leave the paddock

forest_blight

The Chicago casque was found a few yards away from the fence, and
far
away from that particular fencepost (the one with the arch over it).

The placement of the jewel in the image for Chicago was not under the detail for the arched gate,
it was used as a location reference.  The image has the jewel pictured as an ear ring – hanging from the
metal link.
Still though, I haven’t seen answered why (for St Louis) image nine has the jewel fashioned to the hat.
Any takers?

fox

I too at one time believed that the jewel placement meant something but those beliefs are fading.  Trohn, can you explain why or what the meaning of the jewel placements in the Chicago & Cleveland pictures were?

Chicago – under the chain link (found beneath the chain fence)
Cleveland – in the stone wall  (found in the concrete planter)

The Chicago casque was found a few yards away from the fence, and
far
away from that particular fencepost (the one with the arch over it).

I too at one time believed that the jewel placement meant something but those beliefs are fading.  Trohn, can you explain why or what the meaning of the jewel placements in the Chicago & Cleveland pictures were?

Euhirudinea

Antartica. Go.

Lol, go.

the image introduces a connection to the 76 Olympics…so he might be onto something…I think he’s wrong about the uneven bars though.
if anything, it points us toward Olympic Stadium as a location in the greater puzzle.
I think it’s a fair reading.

fact that there’s three things on the guy might reinforce this even, in relation to her three gold medals.
with the leg/hoof acting as Olympic stadium in this regard.

MrBackstop

I like how this Image is for October, the jewel is an Opal and the location is Olympic Park.
What let me know I’m in the right area is that I have deciphered the PX7 Box in Image 9.
The 1976 Monteal Olympics had something happen that had never happened in the games before when it came to scoring. Today the scoring is completely different for gymnastics but back then the highest score you could receive was a 10, otherwise known as a “Perfect 10”.
Nadia Comaneci
http://www.bing.com/images/search?view= … ajaxhist=0
Nadia was the darling of the games when she became the first person to ever score a
Perfect 10
in Olympic competition. The event was the uneven bars. This is important because when you look at the PX7 Box in Image 9 you will notice a bar across the top and the bottom of the box (uneven bars).
The letter “P” means Perfect
The “X” means 10
So you ask, what does the 7 mean? During the course of the Games, Nadia recorded 7 – Perfect 10s
PX7 Box tells me the casque is in Olympic Park not too far from the white stone with the Olympic rings.

I’m bumping my original solve for the PX7 Box. When Nadia got the first “10” in Olympic history it was a huge moment in sports. She ended up with 4 “10”s on the uneven bars and 3 “10”s on the balance beam. The box shows the uneven bars at the top and bottom, it also shows the representation of the balance beam with the thick part of the “X”.

the lines arent uneven though…
i think its much more likely that the X is the Cross up on Mount Royal.
the black blob is def meant to represent 2 buildings…the Mary, Queen of the World Cathedral via its location in the image and via the connection bw the two…to St Joseph’s Oratory, which they claim has the largest dome in the world.
also might be a ref to the habitat building which you walk past on the waterfront. (in Old Town)

its hard to believe he wouldn’t at some point push you up Mount Royal.
that’s about 5 things pointing you up there now
Oratory
Hospital
Cross
Chalet (Windswept halls)
and one other clue I’m not revealing at this point.

so the x in the square is DEFINITELY the Cross on Mount Royal.
and here’s why…
the Boer War Monument in Dorchester Square (the leg/hoof sticking out of the square in the painting) was designed to face the cross on Mount Royal.
and you could see the cross from the square up till 1929.
so 100% the Cross.

so I’m not sure its important or not at this point…but there IS a hudsons bay connection.
via Lord Strathcona (Boer Monument is dedicated to Strathcona who sent a bunch of horses to the Boer War).
Strathcona was also a railroad man (which fits with the railroad theme of this puzzle).
and he joined Hudsons Bay Company when he was 18.

he was also its largest shareholder and CEO in the late 1880s.

oh, and he’s first cousins with Stephen lol. theres that too.

MrBackstop

I’m bumping my original solve for the PX7 Box. When Nadia got the first “10” in Olympic history it was a huge moment in sports. She ended up with 4 “10”s on the uneven bars and 3 “10”s on the balance beam. The box shows the uneven bars at the top and bottom, it also shows the representation of the balance beam with the thick part of the “X”.

I know people love to do this, and they are fun and enlightening to read, but I am convinced that association creates too many solutions, infinite almost, for it to be useful in a puzzle. This is why there’s never been a successful puzzle that uses association. Throw in the fact that there were exactly zero associative clues in the two solved casks, and it just baffles me why people keep doing this. Puzzle solving involves pattern recognition, and we have a pattern of hundreds of successful puzzles and two Preiss puzzles, none of which ever had associative elements. If one can’t recognize a pattern where every single member of a set is exactly the same, how can one hope to solve a puzzle?
I could easily just say the P is a flag like in the start and finish lines of Olympic skiing and the X means cross-country, in the Olympics there are skiing events expressed as “[number] X [number]” In the 1976 Olympics there were exactly 7 cross country gold medals awarded. So it’s the slopes not the stadium
Pick another place on the planet and I bet I could find a Px7 connection.

Unknown

Unknown:
Pick another place on the planet and I bet I could find a Px7 connection.

Antartica. Go.

anus905

on top of dawson college, I think the flower is a reference to the flower on the door of the redpath museum:

I have always liked the park adjacent to the RedPath museum as the burial site for Montreal. Never noticed the flower on the door before. Interesting.

i don’t think theres any evidence its there.

For what it’s worth:
At the place where jewels abound (Redpath museum, McGill University, home of collection of minerals)
Fifteen rows down to the ground (15 steps in front of the building, excluding the top platform)
In the middle of twenty-one
From end to end (?trees surrounding neighboring park, location of casque)
Only three stand watch (three bares statue)
As the sound of friends
Fills the afternoon hours (college students after class)
Here is a sovereign people (general reference to Canada)
Who build palaces to shelter
Their heads for a night! (Nearby Windsor Hotel)
Gnomes admire (direct reference to jewel “image to verse”, see page 21 in book)
Fays delight (three bares statue reference)
The namesakes meeting (mount stephen club, george stephen house)
Near this site.

that’s for the NO puzzle though…

I just wanted to say that I have no problem searching for another legeater possibly in the US….but, I really hope we dont abandon research in and around the ONLY location where we have an EXACT match.

cw0909,
In making reference to the lampposts, Forest Blight was told
that the catalog number for this style was shown as #470.
Would the order books the librarian looked at maybe make
that connection?
AP
I see that Atherton, CA has “streetview” on Google.
You can actually “walk around” the whole town and look
at the sides of the roads.
Here is a picture of one of the lampposts in Atherton.
(Looks like a “Fiske” to me…but not a legeater)
It is in the “historic district” which is bounded by
Middlefield Rd, Marsh Rd, Bay Rd, and Ringwood Ave.
You can walk through the entire neighborhood to see
if any of the other lampposts are the legeater.
(There are seven according to the Historic Artifacts Inventory)
The other pictures show where this lamppost is located
and a map of the entire neighborhood in Atherton.
Flood Circle is the heart of the historic district.
AP

ravel07

And I do think mtl is a good candidate: it has a long history (of immigration, too) and there are a lot of recognizable landmarks.
But I bet there is another dogleg somewhere… perhaps even in the US.

The long history of immigration is sure a nice tidbit of information.
You find that other dogleg somewhere, perhaps in the U.S. and I will stop obsessing with Montreal.

hi i got an answer to one of my emails, sorry to say not good news on legeater, following the email
i do have some aspects of the legeater, but not the legeater in p-9, but im sure there is one in u.s.a.
now, somewhere, the hunt is on
if someone could figure out how to label the legeater, it might be found here
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/64746 … ption.html
———————————————————————————————————————
Hi Connie,
The two order books from J.W. Fiske Iron Works contain brief entries.  I’ve quickly looked through and items are not described in detail.  I did see two entries for lamp posts, but no other information as to a certain type or design.  The entries are in pencil and many crossed out, making them difficult to read.
You’re welcome to visit the library Monday-Friday 8:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. to view the order books.
Jeanne Solensky
Librarian
Winterthur Library
Downs Collection of Manuscripts
and Printed Ephemera
302-888-4853
302-888-3367 fax
——————————————————————————————-
links to pics
A
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mnsomero/2 … 4/sizes/o/
B
http://www.flickr.com/photos/micki_hill … 9/sizes/l/
these lamps are at the new york public library

Unknown

Unknown:

Unknown

Unknown:

cw0909,
In making reference to the lampposts, Forest Blight was told
that the catalog number for this style was shown as #470.
thanks ap for info will ask, who knows
i like your walk around Atherton.

In my opinion, however, this part of your point is way off.
Everybody’s opinion on almost everything erexere has ever posted.

My theory on Canada is troublesome. The thought process so far,
1) look at image 9 and think fairy tale author Hans Christian Andersen
2) see the steeples game in his hands and think “first sentence of the Little Mermaid”
3) consider Little Mermaid landmark in Copenhagen and think Girl in Wetsuit in Stanley Park, Vancouver B.C.
In a secondary process, look at verse 10,
4) the first line “In the shadow” may have something in common with an HCA story titled “The Shadow”, but also to be considered is a poem by Pauline Johnson (buried in Stanley Park) titled “In the Shadows”
I think Pauline Johnson is very important to this puzzle as her native name Tekahionwake translates to mean “double life”, which is essentially the core plot element in both HCA stories. The Little Mermaid has one life in the ocean and another on the surface. The well read man in The Shadow lives a quiet life in solitude while his shadow goes out to live and experience the world.

forest_blight

My hopes will probably be dashed, but what a coup if he comes through for us!

Maybe but the bigger hope of finding the casque may come true. I think I am close and you may have helped me see another important clue in the verse I think matches this.

Is that a lion?

I don’t know what it is, trohn, but I get chills just looking at it.
If only I were still in Montreal… Where were you in mid-June, ravel07?!
I’ll kick myself if I walked right by it without noticing. Grrr.

As we are waiting for the “downtown” location
of the lamp post,
here is an nice page of possible matching images
of “Montreal Forum” off of Parc Royal.
http://hockey.ballparks.com/NHL/Montrea … dindex.htm
(opened in 1924, closed in 1996)

Excellent!  I have never seen anything of this sort in St. Louis.  I hope this Montreal idea works out.  Process of elimination, no matter how painful, will then help the hunt.

WOW!!
I got goose bumps when I looked on the board tonight.  This is really a significant find!  Nice eyes–Ravel!!
Pictures…pictures..pictures…we need more pictures!
Sorry I can’t contain my excitement.

So much for St. Louis, eh?
But then, Verse 2 is still a really good match for St. Louis. So… if V2 is St. Louis and P9 is Montreal, then we’re left (a) wondering what P goes with St. Louis, (b) wondering what V goes with Montreal, and (c) one too many casque sites.

Unknown

Unknown:
It’s located at the bottom of a lamppost in front of an old house which was probably built in the mid 1800s. There were 3 such ornaments around the lamppost. I think the building houses some kind of historical society, but I’m not sure. I’ll go check it out after work, and I’ll try to find out what architect or firm designed it.

Yeah…It shakes it up a bit, doesn’t it?  But its been a long while for something this solid to come up.  Something that really doesn’t allow much interpretation of the find.  A true non-speculative lead–Life is good.  Research and digging will tell us in time–more information about this area is imperative, there has to be other things that link in.
I found it interesting that Ravel said there were
three
of these beauties at the lamp post–when we have been looking at lampposts with three things on it for a while.    If we could know the area of Montreal where this was found–we could start really looking at it and find that verse.  Ravel does have a point–first we need to find out if this lamp post is unique or there are others out there.  It is possible that our suspected P’s and V’s pairings are still intact.

Indeed, but V2 matches St. Louis SO WELL. All of the following have tight connections with Forest Park in St. Louis:
At the place where jewels abound
…
In the middle of twenty-one
From end to end
Only three stand watch
…
Here is a sovereign people
Who build palaces to shelter
Their heads for a night!
…and we have apparent confirmation from BP himself that there is a casque in St. Louis. If there is indeed a casque in St. Louis, I’ll eat my hat if V2 doesn’t point to it.

Well, the longitude of Montreal is 73, and we have a 73 in the hair.  What about the 45 latitude?  There is a park called Square St. Louis (or Carre St. Louis), and BP did tell me “St. Louis” is a treasure site.

I would guess that, because the animal looks somewhat dog-like, and there are three of them… it may be a representation of Cerberus, three-headed guard-dog of the gates of hell. Why he’s eating some poor ungulate’s leg is beyond me.
johann – the “note” in the flower could easily be either a 45 or a 46.

johann

There is a park called Square St. Louis (or Carre St. Louis), and BP did tell me “St. Louis” is a treasure site.

That would be just like BP!  If true, he’s laughing at us from beyond
wilhouse

WOW
I would say that is the EXACT match…not just similar.  The question now being (as everyone else has attested to) is this “thing” found anywhere else besides Montreal?……say….perhaps in S.L.?  If not, and if this “thing” only resides in Montreal….than I would say P9 MUST be in Montreal.
Lets research this thing to death guys.
Great find Ravel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Looks like the lamppost is a dead ringer for the picture.  Great find ravel07….
It also looks to me like the outline of the river west of Montreal matches the outline
on the top right of the hat.
http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&ie … 5,0.384521
Anybody have a 1980’s era map of Montreal that might have been used to draw the hat outline?

Spent quite some time last night trying to pinpoint the lamppost by trying to locate the building behind it…to no avail.  I also shot off a few emails to Montreal locations inquiring about the “thing” to see if they could both: locate it and tell us if it is somehow meaningful to Montreal.  Still no word.
Where is this darn thing ! ? ! ?

Wow.  I’ve been a bit idle on the board lately, but this is pretty exciting.  I haven’t really been keeping up with things, but I know there’s an open question about proximity to FLO-designed parks.  I was looking over the aerial views of Montreal and noticed that just west of the St. Louis neighborhood, Mount Royal Park has a path called “Chemin Olmstead”.  From some quick googling, it seems FLO did this park.
Stick-in-the-mud reminder:  Though this is quite unusual, that’s not the same thing as unique.  One day we might discover one of these in Kankakee or Anchorage or something.  Maybe it was a standard offering from Henry’s House of Lamposts, you know?
But I still think we should pursue this Montreal link with as much energy as we can.
Pine

I can easily see a “67” in the flower.  Not saying this pic is/isn’t Montreal, but Expo ’67 was there.  It was a big enough deal, when they were awarded a franchise in 1968, that they named their baseball team after it.  Kinda bugs me that the “6” has a little ‘flag’ at the top.  Just throwing it out there for consideration.

Unknown

Unknown:
From some quick googling, it seems FLO did this park.

Sorry that didn’t work, there is a nice plaque shot of this very topic on webshots under Mount Royal Park Montreal.

Regarding that fountain (“blob”) in Forest Park in St. Louis, I wonder if there is one of a similar design in Montreal.  Perhaps the same artist?

Hey guys, I know this sounds silly, but…
there are 10 numbers below 11 and 10 numbers above 11, the last being 21.
One could argue that the middle of 21 is 11.
Johann, does anything around the 11th hole make sense?
wilhouse

Re: image 9
« Reply #828 on: August 01, 2008, 11:37:20 pm »
ie.. pg 56
i got a reply from Jeanne Solensky the Librarian from the Winterthur Library
the entry says only lamp posts, nothing else, i was hoping for more.

erexere : Indeed 1967 is probably just a pretty busy year for Montreal and nothing more for us here. For the Blob : UFO’s are never reliable! I must have been too much of an X-Files fan. It looks a bit like an old Atari graphic.
“Corner to corner” would fit I think, but I don’t know how to link it to anything else.
I will read the verse 10 to see what I can find about that “V” thing you mentionned.
So the only thing that could remain from what I posted before is the “Legeater forming Q letter when combined with the frame around it”  theory !
Back to the boards !

My first post here. But i’m ready for anything
The Montreal theory for Image 9 is what made me join the board (from Canada, QC). But I also like treasure hunting in general, and the history/folklore that can be learned while searching for answers.
This said, here is what I want to add to the speculations around Image 9:
– The Legeater has been found in Montreal, which is in Quebec : the Leg going out of the frame around the Legeater reminds me of the letter Q as in Quebec. Not many places in North America start with the letter Q.
– The checkered desing reminds me of Formula 1 racing, there is a Grand Prix in Montreal, the only one in North America in 1982 ” the Secret ” was released in 1982, year of the tragic death of Canadian/Quebecer F1 racer Gilles Villeneuve (May 8 1982) (If the book was released AFTER the event I am not sure of that [EDIT : 1982 events are out of question since the book was written before 1982]
Here is what I tought at first when there was a link between Image 9 and Verse 2 :
At the place where jewels abound (Maybe Mount Royal, as in royal jewels)
Fifteen rows down to the ground (Indication to know where to dig, see next idea about the Mount Royal cross on which you can count 15?? rows?? maybe!)
In the middle of twenty-one (there is the letter T in the middle of the word Twenty-one … T like a cross, Mount Royal has a very well known Cross at its summit) Take a look at the cross, it’s design reminds me of the X on the left side of Image 9…
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … t_Real.jpg
From end to end ( hints us at counting rows on the cross)
Only three stand watch ( no idea )
As the sound of friends ( Tam Tam du Mount Royal (previously mentionned))
Fills the afternoon hours ( Tam Tam again )
Here is a sovereign people ( Quebec people reference, the sovereignty referendum was held in 1980 not so long ago at the time of writing, still fresh in memory (even tho it was lost…but I think it could still make sense ))
Who build palaces to shelter
Their heads for a night!
Gnomes admire
Fays delight
The namesakes meeting ( Quebec’s national holiday is the ” St-Jean-Baptiste ” a national holiday named after a Saint, Could also be refering to Mont Royal / Montreal which are the same word spelled differently in ancient french. (Old french Réal in Montréal means Royal nowadays)
Near this site.

I personally like the Montreal Olympic Stadium for the leg in the pic. What do you think?

Deuce

I personally like the Montreal Olympic Stadium for the leg in the pic. What do you think?

It could be both a reference to the stadium and the letter Q!

I think its a stretch to say the stadium is being symbolically referenced or reinforced by the Stephens lamp.  what would be a reason for that connection?  Path specific?  Considering the design is just one small portion of the puzzle, its not necessarily the largest factor in locating the casque.
I really like the Q for Quebec idea.  I also like the likeness to the Gates of the Northwest Passage.  Can it be both?  I think so, since its a simple construction from two relatively famous sites.  The rectangle with the slanted break fits the metal Vancouver sculpture.  Fitting the leg portion of the metal lamp scupture in Montreal seems to be almost secondary, and together form a straight font shaped letter Q.  The pixelated blob is still a mystery.  My thoughts are it could be a partially obscured or redacted train engine.
I know folks are unwilling to view these puzzles in way that avoids complications, but here the question is about identifying landmarks in both Montreal and Vancouver and figuring out what connects the two.  Lord Stephens Transcanadian railway literally connects the two.

erexere

I really like the Q for Quebec idea.  I also like the likeness to the Gates of the Northwest Passage.  Can it be both?  I think so, since its a simple construction from two relatively famous sites.  The rectangle with the slanted break fits the metal Vancouver sculpture.  Fitting the leg portion of the metal lamp scupture in Montreal seems to be almost secondary, and together form a straight font shaped letter Q.  The pixelated blob is still a mystery.  My thoughts are it could be a partially obscured or redacted train engine.
I know folks are unwilling to view these puzzles in way that avoids complications, but here the question is about identifying landmarks in both Montreal and Vancouver and figuring out what connects the two.  Lord Stephens Transcanadian railway literally connects the two.

Blob might also be a UFO landing pad ! Also note the importance of the year 1967
1967 =
– year of the first Grand Prix in Montreal: checkered pattern reference
– Year of the opening of the St-Paul UFO Landing pad in Alberta Canada (Blob object is a UFO landing pad ? :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_landin … ttractions
– Expo 67 of course
– Charles DeGaulle and his famous ” Vive le Québec Libre ” political incident about Quebec Sovereignty (a hint at the Sovereing people of verse 2 ? )
Also, to link montreal and vancouver : Canada’s motto is in Latin “a mari usque ad mare” (From sea to sea) (reference to “From end to end” of verse 2 ? )
Maybe the way to casque 9 is a very long one ! Across Canada from Montreal to Vancouver with a stop in Alberta ! And maybe elsewhere too.

The blob is a UFO…
I dont see anything that really complements the landing pad, or the necessity to focus on 1967.  The theme of the checker pattern could be applied to the grand prix or many other things.  A diagonal motif seems to be the best derivative of a checker pattern.  From corner to corner is almost the same as from sea to sea or end to end, dont you think?
I cant relate to the verse 2 interpretation since I find it goes best with image 7, New Orleans.
Verse 10 has a line about finding the middle of branch of the “v”.  Thats a letter put together by two diagonal strokes, \ and /.  I’ve wondered what lower case v means.  Variation?  Valley? Vendor?  Victory? Who knows.  V is often used to describe somethings shape.  In connection with something having branches, it seems more to do with a tree or a path.

Hmmmmm….I thought that’s what I did. You know, bring up clues, give an idea as to what your thoughts are, and ask others what their ideas were.

you’re right, there are so many questions to ask, and you never know if you don’t ask….
to the people who knew exactly where the dig site is, I’m sure you know what these are, would you kindly name these out for us?
,

best guess =
http://cryptidz.wikia.com/wiki/Gruagach
or
http://cryptidz.wikia.com/wiki/Gugwe

MrBlackstop, here, you asked for what it is right? it’s an eye of an animal,

Mr.Blandford, instead of thinking what J9, or M, or whatever it is. The question should be why is this thing placed over there, is it random? if not, what else is in there
maltedfalcon, all I can say is l
Fenix, perhaps you’re right, you’re at the very last step, there’s no point of me doing all these because you probably already knew
renovator, Thank you, but I’ll stop right here because you see it as magic, while others see it as witchcraft. A lesson from history, just because I know things most people don’t, I’ll most likely end up being tied and burn to death. So I’ll just hush for now.

im leaning towards the former, as they are considered either brownies or bigfoot…and brownies are directly ref’d in the book…gruagach is a scottish gaelic term, so that would be the connection.

Spiritr

you’re right, there are so many questions to ask, and you never know if you don’t ask….
to the people who knew exactly where the dig site is, I’m sure you know what these are, would you kindly name these out for us?
,

As for the squiggles on your left screenshot, this is what I wrote a few days ago (keeping in mind I have no clue where the final site would be):
I don’t think I’ve seen this posted before (apologies if so) but it looks like there is a good fit for that set of wrinkles on the right side of the hat. Looking at it from the white space side, there is a almost a shark fin type of bulge: compare that with voie camillien houde, which wraps around the west side of Mount Royal. Seems like a match. It doesn’t do much more than confirm Montreal as the city, but maybe it keeps the focus in the general area of Mount Royal as opposed to the Olympic Park or islands in the St. Lawrence?

bignate

As for the squiggles on your left screenshot, this is what I wrote a few days ago (keeping in mind I have no clue where the final site would be):
I don’t think I’ve seen this posted before (apologies if so) but it looks like there is a good fit for that set of wrinkles on the right side of the hat. Looking at it from the white space side, there is a almost a shark fin type of bulge: compare that with voie camillien houde, which wraps around the west side of Mount Royal. Seems like a match. It doesn’t do much more than confirm Montreal as the city, but maybe it keeps the focus in the general area of Mount Royal as opposed to the Olympic Park or islands in the St. Lawrence?

No, I think it’s better if you focus on the image first, until you know what these are, don’t just tell me what it looks like, find it, match it, it’s an EXACT match, just overlay the image onto it, keep this in mind , practice walking before you run, until you know how to walk, don’t even think about running.

camille houden works but with the OTHER side of the beret…not this side.

I’M back!!!
My computer broke down and had to be replaced. During that time I thought much about all of these Images and Verses.
I think this image is definently STL. I have went over the clues I think I saw in earlier posts but in addition to all of thoes reasons another reason I think this is STL is because none of the other unconfirmed images realisticly seem to indicate STL. By unconfirmed we have not found something concreter to confirm a city.
The park is almost definately Forest Park. This can be confirmed by seeing if any other Park in the city had the checkard board image around 1980. The area of the park is either the Muny/Pagoda Circle area or the World’s Fair Pavillion area. I think the former is the more likely of the two.
I think the matching verse is Verse 6. I think the Image to Verse Match is”arms extended bar that binds”. I think that is hidden upsidedown as the checker pateren in the chest area. The legeater is likely, if this is all correct, a clue to the Pagoda Muny or the World’s Fair.
One thing that concerns me though is that I have looked at several photos of the Pagoda and airial photos of the muny and pagoda and have not seen anything that looks like arms extended bar that binds. However I do not think the Pagoda area is exactly the area. The one thing that reassured me was no fountains near the pagoda. I think the dig site can or atleast at one time could be seen not from the pagoda but from the fountain near the muny. The fountain is almost definately what the “cool clear song of water” is. Thoes of you that live close enough to STL may want to go out to forest park and see what can be seen from the fountain. It is likely the pagoda can be seen from the correct site. If you do not find anything but the middle section of the verse confirms the are then we will need to review the parks landscapeing records to try to find the place to dig.
It is important not to do any digging though without clearing it with the appropriate park authorities. I promised the MO Historical Library none of us would do any digging without appropriate permission.
I will run all this by the Historical Library soon. I was composeing an e-Mail to them when my old Computer went down. I will offer them the Casque if found. If it was not for them we would likely not have found this.

okay, so now, even tho’ i feel the tower part was gone, when you wrote P7 for the parking lot, hmmm that is what i always see in the block with the X…………..

Actually until you get on the ground there, there is no way of telling.
its very possible it means another
pole
nearby that would be obvious if you were there. lamp
pole
, flag
pole
, utility
pole
…..
or it could be that the current marker says something like “On this spot was a giant
pole
marking the resting place of simon mctavish…”
Personally I’m liking this possibility more and more…
Still important to remember its just an idea not a solution, you’ve only got a solution when you’ve got a casque!

Actually until you get on the ground there, there is no way of telling.
its very possible it means another pole nearby that would be obvious if you were there. lamp pole, flag pole, utility pole…..
or it could be that the current marker says something like “On this spot was a giant pole marking the resting place of simon mctavish…”
Personally I’m liking this possibility more and more…
Still important to remember its just an idea not a solution, you’ve only got a solution when you’ve got a casque!

malted,
how do you know the
pole
was there in the ’60’s?

malted,
how do you know the pole was there in the ’60’s?

maltedfalcon

1 Near meaning nearby but not adjacent to the stone wall area, just over the top of the hill to the east.
Ace as in A – A as in angel atop the monument. possibly a week link, but definitely running north and behind her or you would pass it first on the way to see her is a large cross.
2 the most well known monument in the park dedicated to a man famous for both Education and Justice.  perhaps a closer look at the inscription on the monument will clarify
check out the last 2 lines
Sir George-Étienne Cartier, (September 6, 1814- May 20, 1873) was a French-Canadian politician and a “Father of Confederation”. In the years leading up to the 1867 Confederation, Cartier was a dominant figure in the politics of Canada East (now the province of Quebec). In 1838 he returned to Montreal after a year in exile for his role in la “Rebellion”. Cartier had several reasons for supporting Confederation, notably his fear of American’s Manifest Destiny and expansion. He officially entered politics in 1848. During his long career he promoted the establishment of the Civil Code as the formal law of Canada East. He also promoted the introduction of mandatory primary education in the province.
3 posts  -there are two logical choices.  pick one.
a on each of the summits there is an antennae  – high posts are 3…
b on the summit directly above the site, the antenna is a special kind it is called a candelabra antenna-  in other words it starts as a single column goes up and then there are 3 separate antennas on that one antenna, (this is actually the one I believe is correct.
4  Twain was specifically invited to montreal to view and speak about the hotel.  the object of his attention in montreal is the hotel… he wrote a speech about it and it was a big deal at the time and is still obviously local montreal lore.
hows that?

I’ll give you a pass on 2,3, and 4, but there is no way you are convincing me that Ace=A=Angel.
I hope you find it, though!

You can check Montreal. The thing is I think we are makeing too much focus on the legeater. I am open to other ideas but for now I think this goes to STL and goes to Forest Park. I also think this goes to the Muny/Pagoda Circle area. I will be busy through Wednesday then I will focus on trying to find this. I think if this is where I think this is it may still be found!! Alot of construction was done near the pagoda but I do not think it is in the area of the pagoda but someplace that can be seen from the fountain near the Muny.
I will need the help of you members in the STL area. We will likely need to look at park records of the area and maybe some of you closer can work more closely with the historical library to help confirm this.
And hey FB if we unearth this before you go to Montreal will you boke around in Ottawa for me?

has anyone been able to find out when the pole monument was taken out?
it is just a rectangular stone marker now.  it says restored by the the city of montreal 1942…..i’m not sure if that means that it was gone then or what….
http://www.peterpondsociety.com/news5.html
the old picture xlurker found was perfect.

slappybuns

has anyone been able to find out when the pole monument was taken out?
it is just a rectangular stone marker now.  it says restored by the the city of montreal 1942…..i’m not sure if that means that it was gone then or what….

I do believe the restoration is what removed the column.  I found this (in .pdf form but google lets me view it as .html)
“In the 1940s, the column in memory of Simon McTavish was taken down and replaced with a more modest stone. “
http://www2.ville.montreal.qc.ca/ocpm/p … ort_en.pdf

In the late 1980’s the area was subjected to heavy flash flooding, I believe the pole was topled at that point.
The area had not been touched /worked on  since the 1950s and the pole was there in the 60s.
ergo it would have been there when the book was published.

So Mount Royal Park is another “Olmsted” park…
Here is a link…(you have to scan down the page)
that includes all of Olmsted’s commissions…
Did BP have a preference for Olmsted Parks?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_ … ommissions

Egbert

Hmmm.  Most of it fits.  Could be the place.  Certainly worth a look.
1.  I am with Fox on not seeing “near ace is high.”
2.  Also, Education and Justice are capitalized, which would seem to represent 2 distinct objects (or words), not just a reference to someone who has a connection with education and law.
3.  I do not see how “peaks” can be viewed as “posts,” and I bet BP literally meant “posts.”
4.  The verse refers to an “object” of Twain’s attention, not a meeting place.  I would think it refers to something like a steamboat, or the Mississippi River, or something like that.

1 Near meaning nearby but not adjacent to the stone wall area, just over the top of the hill to the east.
Ace as in A – A as in angel atop the monument. possibly a week link, but definitely running north and behind her or you would pass it first on the way to see her is a large cross.
2 the most well known monument in the park dedicated to a man famous for both Education and Justice.  perhaps a closer look at the inscription on the monument will clarify
check out the last 2 lines
Sir George-Étienne Cartier, (September 6, 1814- May 20, 1873) was a French-Canadian politician and a “Father of Confederation”. In the years leading up to the 1867 Confederation, Cartier was a dominant figure in the politics of Canada East (now the province of Quebec). In 1838 he returned to Montreal after a year in exile for his role in la “Rebellion”. Cartier had several reasons for supporting Confederation, notably his fear of American’s Manifest Destiny and expansion. He officially entered politics in 1848. During his long career he promoted the establishment of the Civil Code as the formal law of Canada East. He also promoted the introduction of mandatory primary education in the province.
3 posts  -there are two logical choices.  pick one.
a on each of the summits there is an antennae  – high posts are 3…
b on the summit directly above the site, the antenna is a special kind it is called a candelabra antenna-  in other words it starts as a single column goes up and then there are 3 separate antennas on that one antenna, (this is actually the one I believe is correct.
4  Twain was specifically invited to montreal to view and speak about the hotel.  the object of his attention in montreal is the hotel… he wrote a speech about it and it was a big deal at the time and is still obviously local montreal lore.
hows that?

scottrocks7

And hey FB if we unearth this before you go to Montreal will you boke around in Ottawa for me?

Ha! If I had a car I might, but I’m doing this trip on foot (with the help of an airplane to get me there and back).

slappybuns

malted,
how do you know the
pole
was there in the ’60’s?

speaking to a canadian at work who says he remembers it from his childhood.  tenuous, but all I’ve got.

slappybuns

malted,
how do you know the pole was there in the ’60’s?

speaking to a canadian at work who says he remembers it from his childhood.  tenuous, but all I’ve got.

examining the image for related montreal stuff,
The white edge of the right hand side of the color matches the river along the section of montreal where the legeater is….

I think the
Pole
was long gone before BP began his Secret.  If not…hmmmmm…
If this is the spot, I really don’t think
a) BP would enter this small area and bury a casque  and
b) expect us to enter a small area specifically created as a memorial or monument and dig dig dig.
There is however, one more solution if this is the correct spot.  Instead of being inside {which the V kind of sounds like} how about outside the wall?  I’m not sure how big this little enclosure is but maybe our Giant Step equals that from the
Pole
to the wall…thereby, we stand outside of the correct (SE?) wall and dig.
These are simply some ideas although I am still sold on this V going to N.O.

I think the Pole was long gone before BP began his Secret.  If not…hmmmmm…
If this is the spot, I really don’t think
a) BP would enter this small area and bury a casque  and
b) expect us to enter a small area specifically created as a memorial or monument and dig dig dig.
There is however, one more solution if this is the correct spot.  Instead of being inside {which the V kind of sounds like} how about outside the wall?  I’m not sure how big this little enclosure is but maybe our Giant Step equals that from the Pole to the wall…thereby, we stand outside of the correct (SE?) wall and dig.
These are simply some ideas although I am still sold on this V going to N.O.

I’ve been lurking, but trying to catch up to you all.
Catherwood posted a link yesterday in this thread that confirmed the Column (
pole
) was removed in the 1940’s.
Here is the quote:
“The Peel entrance, the main access to Parc du Mont-Royal from its southern flank and from downtown, was developed when the park was first established. Originally designed to provide calèche and pedestrian access to the summit, it is criss-crossed by a gravel road, the Serpentin, leading from Des Pins Avenue to Olmsted Road. Very few changes have been made to this section of the park since its creation.
In the 1940s, the column in memory of Simon McTavish was taken down and replaced with a more modest stone
. During the ’60s, a pedestrian path and stairs were added at the centre of the Serpentin.”
Try this different link for more reallly good current photographs and information on the Mctavish site. (Turns out it is also haunted.)
http://www2.ville.montreal.qc.ca/ocpm/pdf/P20e/5a.pdf
The marker is near the stone wall that separates the park from the parking lot of Royal Victoria Hospital.  I’m pretty sure the parking lot is number
P7
. I have no idea if this lot was there when the book was written or if it was even numbered in the same way then.  Just thought I would post it in case it is a match to the P7 in the picture.
I really love maltedfalcon’s idea of following a straight line from the iconic image.  Maybe Mont Royal Park is correct, just not the Mctavish monument?

I’ve been lurking, but trying to catch up to you all.
Catherwood posted a link yesterday in this thread that confirmed the Column (pole) was removed in the 1940’s.
Here is the quote:
“The Peel entrance, the main access to Parc du Mont-Royal from its southern flank and from downtown, was developed when the park was first established. Originally designed to provide calèche and pedestrian access to the summit, it is criss-crossed by a gravel road, the Serpentin, leading from Des Pins Avenue to Olmsted Road. Very few changes have been made to this section of the park since its creation.
In the 1940s, the column in memory of Simon McTavish was taken down and replaced with a more modest stone
. During the ’60s, a pedestrian path and stairs were added at the centre of the Serpentin.”
Try this different link for more reallly good current photographs and information on the Mctavish site. (Turns out it is also haunted.)
http://www2.ville.montreal.qc.ca/ocpm/pdf/P20e/5a.pdf
The marker is near the stone wall that separates the park from the parking lot of Royal Victoria Hospital.  I’m pretty sure the parking lot is number
P7
. I have no idea if this lot was there when the book was written or if it was even numbered in the same way then.  Just thought I would post it in case it is a match to the P7 in the picture.
I really love maltedfalcon’s idea of following a straight line from the iconic image.  Maybe Mont Royal Park is correct, just not the Mctavish monument?

I’m going to jump in on this image. Overall it reminds me of a formal portrait of an important person. The face appears to be 2 halves. Each being from a different person. Wearing a cap.
The hands are classical and almost reverent.  39 N 76W is Washington D.C.  X could be October or a part of rho chi lambda which is what the p,x, and ^ remind me of.  Now I’ve been trying to figure out the clues for verse #10 because I thought perhaps it pertained to Armstrong Park in N.O. However after looking at this I can’t help but wonder if these go together. Here is perhaps why.
1. Hard word in 3 vols.  This really threw me. But… Hard words, books? 3 Vols. The Library of Congress consists of 3 buildings. Jefferson(rhapsodic man?), Adams, and Madison.
2.The face could be a combo of 2 of these and the collars go with this style.
3.The cap…Capital hill?
4.39 N 76 W  D.C lat and long.
5.Perhaps the dogleg ironwork is found on the grounds.
6.Twice as many east steps as the hour or more from the middle of one branch of the v…from the middle of the Jefferson building?
Just musings here.
http://www.loc.gov/loc/maps/images/map.gif
What do y’all think? Lafitte

A jewel in the hat = crown.  It is suppose to be a portrait if a ‘king’.
From that, why the checkerboard(s).

Unknown

Unknown:
So, what makes Grant or Cleveland (the person) less obscure than Lord Stanley or Florence Nightengale?  Is Shakespeare on the List?

Sorry Catherwood…I have to reply to this, then I will allow this thread to return to it’s origins.
Nothing makes them “more” obscure per se–however, when you count 12 of something, 2 of something is not a trend or pattern. You need a couple more to make that viable.

scottrocks7

I think Verse 10 goes with this. I know alot of people thik this goes with New York but it seems to fit Forest Park more. I sent verses 5, 6 and 10 and Images 2 and 12 my aunt who lived in New York for 15 years and now lives a few hours drive outside Charleston. Hopefully she can get us a positive image to verse match.

Don’t know why I’m doing this but, I’ll bite….What about V10 do you like about Forest Park?
And, why don’t you just send the web address for this forum to your aunt?  It has all the verses and images at the beginning of each thread.  Then she can join to add to all of our mishmosh of ideas.

scottrocks7

I think Verse 10 goes with this. I know alot of people thik this goes with
New
York but it seems to fit Forest Park more. I sent verses 5, 6 and 10 and Images 2 and 12 my aunt who lived in
New
York for 15 years and now lives a few hours drive outside Charleston. Hopefully she can get us a positive image to verse match.

Don’t know why I’m doing this but, I’ll bite….What about V10 do you like about Forest Park?
And, why don’t you just send the web address for this forum to your aunt?  It has all the verses and images at the beginning of each thread.  Then she can join to add to all of our mishmosh of ideas.

Corrected:
MSC -Your book caused somebody to dig a hole on our lawn.
Bantam – Our book advised them to seek permission.

New tidbit,  one of the things we needed to make work with this site is the link to the dutch.  (See the thread on What has been found).
Well, here it might be… The Vandeventer Gate.
http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.fami … venter.htm
The name Vandeventer is… say it with me… Dutch.

That’s what I’ve been considering for some time now.  It very well could be the ethnic link.

Unknown

Unknown:
Went on recon last night after work.
Vandeventer and Kingshighway does have a fountain in a little patch of grass, but nothing resembling anything that we know.

what does that fountain look like spinner? check out maltedfalcon’s posts on June 23, 2004  {ooh, sidenote..thats my b-day
}

Les 3 Brasseurs is a French chain that got its start in the late 1980s — too late for us.
But I do very much like that pattern in the building’s facade. Another visual link to Montreal! And only about 4 blocks from our favorite lamppost.

…further thoughts on the verse 2 / image 9 Montreal theory described above…
To recap, we have:
At the place where jewels abound
Fifteen rows down to the ground
Fifteen-storey Windsor station, and a few blocks north of there we have…
In the middle of twenty-one
From end to end
The middle of Rue University – U=21.
(It extends from Pines Ave, top left, to Notre-Dame St., bottom right.)
This is where we find
Eaton’s
.
Only three stand watch
Just opposite is Les 3 Brasseurs.
Here is a sovereign people
Who build palaces to shelter
Their heads for a night!
It’s right next to Ruelle Palace.

Unknown

Unknown:
In the 1940s, inspired by Schoenberg, Gershwin and others, and in the shadow cast by the war and the Holocaust, Hovey began exploring the multicultural basis of American music, first through his own (half) Jewish heritage and also in African-American culture. In this exploration, he had the contrasting example of two very different American contemporaries, the composer Aaron Copland who had reworked traditional American folksong for the concert hall, and the field folklorist Alan Lomax, whose recordings in the Mississippi Delta became one of the inspirations for Edinburgh’s School of Scottish Studies.
Hovey discovered Scottish music when a friend asked Hovey about the indications of the airs printed below the titles in a standard Burns edition. He later wrote, “once I realized that the tunes were still extant, that they were mostly Scots folk songs, and above all, that they sounded marvelous in conjunction with Burns’s lyrics, I was hooked.” His first major composition drawing on Scottish song was his Robert Burns Rhapsody: A Scottish-American Fantasy for full orchestra, premiered in Berlin in 1959, which concludes with the chorus singing Burns’s great ode to equality, “A Man’s A Man For A’ That.”

Robert Burns is a Rhapsodic Man.

Fenix

Thank goodness somebody else but me checks the history. It’s actually very new.

I believe this is the remains of 2-22 St Catherine before the demolition which made way for the Ediface 2-22 as part of the revitalization plan for the Quartier des Spectacles. This photo is from 2007.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xz05jzcf65o2e … m.png?dl=0
You’ll notice the similarity of the Club Soda building in the time sequence photos on the Wikipedia page.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Édifice_2-22 (this won’t hyperlink properly, just copy and paste into browser)
The property where the new 2-22 building now sits was referred to as 2-22 or
2 through 22
, and articles from that time talk about the demolition of the existing 2-22 to make way for the project.
The corner of St Catherine and Blvd St Laurent was know as the heart of the “entertainment” district which includes the red light district. All of the nightclubs, theaters, museums, and generally bohemian things are in that area.
So Fenix, yes you are correct, the Edifice 2-22 which was finally completed in 2012 did not exist in 1981, but former buildings did.

Fenix

Come on man, you wouldn’t even dig based on what you posted. There are no directions in the verse or image that get you from downtown to the peak of the mountain. Furthermore, there is nothing that tells you to travel from St Hélène’s to downtown. You grabbed random waypoints do not connect in any logical manner.
I’d consider entertaining this if there was some flow to it. It’s not even something that I can work from in it’s current state. You solved it to completion; it’s perfect. Sound familiar?

Actually, I would dig near the cross. It makes a lot of sense.
As for getting there, remember I revised this to start at 2-22 Rue St. Catherine. Basically a straight shot to the leg eater then up to Mount Royal. All of the visual clues are there, including now the hot air balloon on his lapel.
You don’t have to like it, you don’t have to go dig. I just put this out there so people can either go dig, or come up with a better solve. I am definitely interested in hearing other potential solutions.
While I appreciate that you have been on here a while, being combative without being willing to collaborate is pointless in my opinion.

Don’t forget the intro also links the Dutch to Canada though, via the tales Yo-Rib and the Yar-On (which we’re told is “possibly Huron, the Quebec-based tribe”) and the footnotes associating the Hurons with the Dutch.
(That Yo-Rib is strange. Eve was from Adam’s rib…hallo eve…Halloween…? Fits with October at least.)

i’ll check my notes and see if i have the info whiterabbit.
but was looking at this and thinking, what if the dogleg thing is just saying………horse shoe……..horseshoe falls, and the head part is just a goat for goat island at niagara falls………………..just saying maybe
this is what i found in my notes
“Fox:
thanks for the thread Duck.  BP verified for me that there was 1 casque buried in Canada.”
fox?
and then i found this:
“In 1982, Bantam Books ran newspaper ads announcing a very interesting challenge. Twelve treasure chest had been buried all over the United States and Canada, and each contained a key that could be redeemed for a jewel that was already sitting in a safe-deposit box in a Manhattan Bank. (Together, the twelve jewels were worth more than $10,000 – and those are 1982 dollars.) The whole thing was tied to the publication of The Secret, a now out-of-print book by Sean Kelly and Ted Mann that contained clues as to the chests’ whereabouts. Only one was found, in Chicago. According to Byron Preiss, who arranged the contest, the other eleven are still hidden after twenty years and the remaining jewels are still sitting peacefully in the bank.”
and this:
From :
Sent :  Monday, April 7, 2003 2:08 PM
To :
[email protected]
Subject :  Re: “The Secret”
|  |  | The Secret | Inbox
thanks! yes, there is a treasure in Canada.

Aha, OK. Thanks for confirming that. I’m finding it difficult to pin down a verse for Canada – the dogleg is the only Canadian lead I remember from images or verses.
V1 – Usually Houston and I8 from the 982.
V2 – Usually New Orleans and I7 from Sarmiento.
V3 – Usually Boston from Thucydides/Xenophon and Revere. This image has been suggested for Boston, though it’s usually taken as I11.
V4 – solved for I4
V5 – Often taken for Charleston and I2
V6 – Has been suggested for San Fransisco / I1 and Charleston. Loose Canadian connection via Treasure Island / Ballantyne the Brave.
V7 – Has been considered for San Fransisco
V8 – Has been considered for Milwaukee and I10, via the Grand Staircase
V9 – Often taken as Florida and I6, from “The First Chapter” IIRC
V10 – Current favourite for NY and I12
V11 – Often taken as Roanoke and I3 (Oz, land near window)
V12 – solved for I5
This is no way an attempt at a definitive list; just general musings. I know there are lots of options on all these; I’m just trying to decide what to look at next for this image, since there hasn’t been any verse discussion on it for years. I might take a look at V3/Boston, and V7/Montreal. Montreal in general doesn’t really grab me for some reason, but it looks like it’s got to be done…

Unknown

Unknown:
The cemetery’s Egyptian revival gate and fence were designed by Boston architect Isaiah Rogers

To recap V3/Boston then, it’s been pointed out that Trinity Church next to BPL has suitable decoration:
…and a legeater example has been found in BPL. (Although the Montreal one is a perfect match, I’m remaining open-minded about the interpetation of this for the moment. Who knows, maybe George Stephen will turn up in Florida.)
The church was originally in Summer St., burned down, and rebuilt in its present location.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_Ch … mer_Street
)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_Church_(Boston
)
Any Dutch tie-ins…?
Boston is named after the Lancashire town, famous for the “Boston Stump”, or
St Botolph’s church
.
Botolph’s
brother
Adolph
became a Dutch bishop.
I’m wondering if the English Boston has Dutch links. Boston Stump has “a collection of books by the Dutch philosopher and theologian Erasmus”, and “by the late thirteenth century, the [English] churchyard was probably reserved for less profane activity, for increasingly the use of churches for commercial exchange was considered unseemly, but the area in its vicinity was given over to large houses which were rented by merchants from the Low Countries, France, and Germany.”
The Dutchman has 55 chequered squares on each cuff, and I’ve wondered if this number fits in somewhere. Just had a quick look for any interesting addresses at 55 or 110 in Boston, and came across the
Studio Building
at 110 Tremont beside the
Granary Burying Ground
, final resting place of Revere. It’s cropped up before.
This might fit the collar.
(To be precise, it’s opposite an alleyway dividing Beantown at 100 from Sargent David Hall at 120. Not sure exactly where the Studio Building is, but Google Street View calls this point 110.)
“Opal is an amorphous form of silica related to quartz”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opal
Could this have a street-lamp connection…?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury-vapor_lamp

I’m not part of any sooper secret Secret groups, so the Fleur de lys is news to me. I also haven’t watched the Expedition Unknown episode yet. Can someone fill me in? Now the cat’s out of the bag, has that been well known in the shadows for a while or is this a real scoop? I never felt the need to personally harass Mr. Palencar to satisfy my treasure hunt urges. I spent most of my time on Image 9 in correspondence with antique lamp post dealers and the like.
If this was a Twister analogy: did Cary Elwes’ team of really cool Tornado hunters use their connections to hoard that information from those of us that are still jump starting Bill Paxton’s Dorothy machines?

Wait a minute…what’s a Bill Paxton’s Dorothy machine?

erexere

Wait a minute…what’s a Bill Paxton’s Dorothy machine?

It’s a clue that is directly related to uncovering Image 9, dumbass.
Serious answer: Have you never seen Twister? They’re a plucky, resourceful storm chasing team that uses junk drawer inventory to follow tornadoes and make their machinery, while they compete against the evil corporate funded storm chasing team captained by Cary Elwes. Their hardscrabble home-brew tornado tracking machines are named “Dorothy”.

I am stunned by this fleur-d-lis reveal. Could it be that this was an oversight in the final version? Did Byron make an editorial decision to remove the symbol, but forgot to clean up the image? I am grateful for the information, whatever the reason behind it.

catherwood

I am stunned by this fleur-d-lis reveal. Could it be that this was an oversight in the final version? Did Byron make an editorial decision to remove the symbol, but forgot to clean up the image? I am grateful for the information, whatever the reason behind it.

He thought the clue would make it way too obvious so he did a little razzle-dazzle before it went to print?

Merlot Brougham

He thought the clue would make it way too obvious so he did a little razzle-dazzle before it went to print?

Indeed. He couldn’t have possibly put something obvious in there, like a fence or a wall. Including those things would make the puzzle too easy. Right?

I asked for help on my Facebook account if anyone had seen a lamp post like that in the US and one of my friends sent it to me. She didn’t look at it closely to see that it wasn’t in the US and just sent it on to me. I think she said she Googled lamposts with horselegs or something similar to that.

TexWriter

I asked for help on my Facebook account if anyone had seen a lamp post like that in the US and one of my friends sent it to me. She didn’t look at it closely to see that it wasn’t in the US and just sent it on to me. I think she said she Googled lamposts with horselegs or something similar to that.

There was quite a bit of discussion about these Palermo legeaters on the SomethingAwful thread. To my knowledge, the Mount Stephen Club examples are still the only known ones in North America. There are some compelling hooved lamp posts in other parts of Montreal and North America in general but nothing else I’ve come across that matches the legeater.
I do believe the legeaters in Image 9 are depicting those at the Mount Stephen Club given the amount of other evidence in Image 9 pointing to Montreal, and in more specific detail, the Golden Square Mile.
for comparison on artistic license used when drawing these maps and what constitutes a “match”

Unknown

Unknown:
Hmm, this casque has obviously been moved to Palermo Sicily now.

How on earth did you find that…?

Fenix

Not to mention the house was built in the 1880’s and we have photos with the posts n place before the house was bought by the investors that turned it to the club.  That dates the posts to at least 1926.
I am curious what the member means when he states they may have been moved.  They seem to be in the same location today as they were in the pre-1926 photo.

all that matters is what was BP’s histroical perspective of the local in 1981.

There is also a Trafalgar School for Girls that is on the South East side of the park.  Looks like several of the buildings share that same pattern as well.
http://www.trafalgar.qc.ca/history.asp

I thought for sometime about how Holland might be of help leading to some specific place that involved the word “Hollow”. This basically stems from the root word connection but also connects to the Dutch and LOW-land gnomes.
Hollow = Holland + Lowland…in a sense.
This is why I thought the “Hollow Tree” in Vancouver was an interesting place.

Alright, it’s Friday after work, I’ve got a six pack of amazingly hoppy IPA, time to do some armchair huntin’
The immigration angle hasn’t been too specifically explored lately. Cleveland is Greek themed and the Greek gardens held the casque. St. Augustine is Spanish themed and they were seeking the fountain of Youth. Image 9 is widely regarded to be Dutch, and Montreal. Not a lot of overlap there (unlike
New
Orleans
and French, lol).
And guess what? SOmeone wrote a thesis in
1986
about the Dutch Social culture in Quebec.
https://www.lowensteyn.com/dutchque/
Looks like there were just a few key pieces of Dutch culture in Montreal around then:
– The Dutch Canadian Association
– The Borrel Club
– Something called CAANS
– The First Christian Reformed Church of Montreal
Gonna fill up my stein and start googling for images.

Alright, it’s Friday after work, I’ve got a six pack of amazingly hoppy IPA, time to do some armchair huntin’
The immigration angle hasn’t been too specifically explored lately. Cleveland is Greek themed and the Greek gardens held the casque. St. Augustine is Spanish themed and they were seeking the fountain of Youth. Image 9 is widely regarded to be Dutch, and Montreal. Not a lot of overlap there (unlike New Orleans and French, lol).
And guess what? SOmeone wrote a thesis in
1986
about the Dutch Social culture in Quebec.
https://www.lowensteyn.com/dutchque/
Looks like there were just a few key pieces of Dutch culture in Montreal around then:
– The Dutch Canadian Association
– The Borrel Club
– Something called CAANS
– The First Christian Reformed Church of Montreal
Gonna fill up my stein and start googling for images.

Oooh, nice opener drunknerds. I also have a strange hoppy beer. Deschutes has a seasonal called Sagefight Imperial IPA. Looking for Dutch connections is really the way I think this pic needs to be worked, though I believe there’s a strong Scot link based on the X on the lapel and the fact that the legeater is at a Scotsman’s front door.
E: to be clear, the Scottish flag is just a big X.

JoshCornell

I explained the Dutch Connection…it relates to Rembrandt (the Dutch Painter) of which this painting is a ripoff of. Furthermore, if you research Rembrandt in Montreal…you will discover a story about an art heist at the Montreal Museum Of Fine Arts (which included the theft of a Rembrandt landscape)…the Montreal Museum of Fine Arts is in the Golden Square Mile District of Montreal…hence the connection…

Great! You’ve found that association and that was interesting to learn about the heist. A great passing resemblance for a baseline visual association to try to beat. Also, I’m laughing at the notion that Preiss wanted to write a schlock, derivative paperback, then sent a picture of a Rembrandt to the artist and said, “do this.” Not saying it’s implausible, just it’s good situational comedy.
Gonna pick up my kids and then google image search the hell out of those Dutch-Montreal orgs. Looking forward to learning!

erexere

Oooh, nice opener drunknerds. I also have a strange hoppy beer. Deschutes has a seasonal called Sagefight Imperial IPA. Looking for Dutch connections is really the way I think this pic needs to be worked, though I believe there’s a strong Scot link based on the X on the lapel and the fact that the legeater is at a Scotsman’s front door.
E: to be clear, the Scottish flag is just a big X.

Smurf! What’s up, glad to see you. I gotta get the kids and then let’s take a tour of Dutch heritage in Montreal.

Fenix, how are you posting pics? HTML links? When I tried it told me that the storage limit was exceeded.

erexere

Oooh, nice opener drunknerds. I also have a strange hoppy beer. Deschutes has a seasonal called Sagefight Imperial IPA.

Oh, yeah, Sagefight is a strange taste. Haven’t figured out if I like it or not, yet.
I’m drinking Lucille by Georgetown. It was dynamite about 1.5 months ago, but the hop punch is starting to fade. Still a great taste for my buds

drunknerds

Alright, it’s Friday after work, I’ve got a six pack of amazingly hoppy IPA, time to do some armchair huntin’
The immigration angle hasn’t been too specifically explored lately. Cleveland is Greek themed and the Greek gardens held the casque. St. Augustine is Spanish themed and they were seeking the fountain of Youth. Image 9 is widely regarded to be Dutch, and Montreal. Not a lot of overlap there (unlike
New
Orleans
and French, lol).
And guess what? SOmeone wrote a thesis in
1986
about the Dutch Social culture in Quebec.
https://www.lowensteyn.com/dutchque/
Looks like there were just a few key pieces of Dutch culture in Montreal around then:
– The Dutch Canadian Association
– The Borrel Club
– Something called CAANS
– The First Christian Reformed Church of Montreal
Gonna fill up my stein and start googling for images.

I was not able to find any structures associated with any of these. There’s no official buildings or anything.
However, while researching, I found a spot called the “Holland Hotel” that is 500 meters away from Mount Stephen Club
Edit to add: It’s in the Golden Square Mile, too!

drunknerds

Alright, it’s Friday after work, I’ve got a six pack of amazingly hoppy IPA, time to do some armchair huntin’
The immigration angle hasn’t been too specifically explored lately. Cleveland is Greek themed and the Greek gardens held the casque. St. Augustine is Spanish themed and they were seeking the fountain of Youth. Image 9 is widely regarded to be Dutch, and Montreal. Not a lot of overlap there (unlike New Orleans and French, lol).
And guess what? SOmeone wrote a thesis in
1986
about the Dutch Social culture in Quebec.
https://www.lowensteyn.com/dutchque/
Looks like there were just a few key pieces of Dutch culture in Montreal around then:
– The Dutch Canadian Association
– The Borrel Club
– Something called CAANS
– The First Christian Reformed Church of Montreal
Gonna fill up my stein and start googling for images.

I was not able to find any structures associated with any of these. There’s no official buildings or anything.
However, while researching, I found a spot called the “Holland Hotel” that is 500 meters away from Mount Stephen Club
Edit to add: It’s in the Golden Square Mile, too!

Sorry for this comment being here in the Image 9 thread–but this needs to be noted.
There is another issue about these puzzles. Ignore the images completely, just look at the two solutions using the VERSES. You will notice something very VERY important: that the verses are not in any particular ORDER. You cannot start at line one and trace a path through the VERSE. You might be able to do that, as 4thrasher has said, through the IMAGES–beginning at an “iconic” site–but you cannot do that with the verses.
This is extremely important.
The verses are not linear.
This makes a huge difference with some of them. Note also there is little to no punctuation–to let you know what part goes WITH what other parts. You might be looking at a “giant pole” but does that mean that it somehow comes BEFORE you get to the “giant step?”
Not necessarily!!
Read through verse 3–you cannot tell if you are supposed to “take the five steps” first, after you find the stairs, or before. Or if the “green tower of lights” is in the “middle section
near those who pass the coliseum
” or just “in the middle
section of the area of his direction
“–or some
other
place. THIS is what makes these puzzles so damned hard–it is the (deliberate!) lack of linear tracking. You can’t figure out where to go even when you find a likely location–because you cannot put the verse elements IN ORDER. That’s why the images are vitally important–and why you must find as many visual confirmers as possible, so you can use them to put the verse elements in order and lead yourself to the casque.
And some of these verses are worse than others. Some have a lot more directions–why? Because there are a lot FEWER VISUAL CONFIRMERS. Counting trees? Steps? paces? from where? You must find that out
first
. When you find a visual confirmation as clear and unambiguous as the Montreal Legeater lamppost, you probably ought to be working everything in a very small radius around that little item–especially when you can’t find anything else in the image that matches anything! Same with the Children’s Zoo in Houston–you know for a fact that it’s there–somewhere–because you have so many other things that dump you into that area: 982, lion, woods, Texas, Hermann, whistle–the only things you don’t have are the “four alike” and the “small, split, 3-winged and slight” (though I do believe I found that–see the thread on verse 1!) This verse doesn’t even tell you WHERE to DIG, even if you knew what those things meant, but the most likely location is “in the middle of four alike.”
I think the problem with these puzzles is not that they are really difficult or that they are obscure–it is that they are just so non-linear. BP just sort of shambled some things about the locations together into a kind of organic free verse relating to the place–with some literary things thrown in to sweeten the poems, and tie them together into a semblance of order. The trick was, there IS NO ORDER. And they didn’t get solved because of it.
Maybe he underestimated the public’s interest in the hunt–Masquerade and Treasure and even “Who Killed the Robbins Family” were all far more popular and got way more attention. And there must have been 20 others that also came out at around the same time, glutting the market, and making The Secret just one of those little books that didn’t get much airplay. Then he died–and all bets were off. The tricks can never be uncovered, the real secrets never known! it’s fun to try, though.
Okay, rant over. But if you remember that these puzzles are not linear, you might be more successful in finding what you can SIMPLY, rather than trying to layer them with meaning that probably isn’t there at all.

sorry for such a long post,to lazy to do it in parts
just trying to find a way to the legeater
after finding the dutch connection, my post
————-
my post
i think i finally found, the dutch connection to montreal,the
INTERNATIONAL OLYMPIC COMMITTEE, voted in Amsterdam. Netherlands
in 1970 for the summer olympics to be held in montreal
http://www.aldaver.com/votes.html
————–
i was thinking what is montreal famous for,or what is the first thing you
think of, thinking about montreal,if youve never been there, the 76 olympics
see the links for the jpeg img i put up
i G walked sherbrooke to drummond,but didnt see anything from img9, that
would say turn here, i could have missed something though,will look again
when i have more time
maybe in the 80s,the streets were dif,like one way then but not now
or no exit from, or it could have been,just a more direct route in the 80s
or something is not on the route from the O stadium anymore
leg eater at mount stephen club montreal
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2vu/301472 … otostream/
————-
anyway looking around from the legeater,and checking old posts,sorry forget
who,but i think the blob is hab67 too
the blob
habitat 67
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habitat_67
http://www.habitat67.com/origine_en.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Habitat_panorama.jpg
i think this is whats behind the blob
Montreal Biosphère
The Biosphère of Environment Canada is a museum in Montreal dedicated to water and the
environment. It is located at Parc Jean-Drapeau, on Île Sainte-Hélène in the former
pavilion of the United States for the 1967 World Fair Expo 67.
Expo 67The
architect
of the geodesic dome was Richard Buckminster Fuller. The building
originally formed an enclosed structure of steel and acrylic cells
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Biosph%C3%A8re
http://www.suite101.com/view_image_articles.cfm/1394476
view of biosphere,from where habitat 67 is and the parc de la cite du havre
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFjTUEvMq2I
—————-
going over to where the sphere is i found this info
the checker pattern, prob represents a racing car flag, and there is a race
track,on the island Circuit Gilles Villeneuve, was called
Île Notre-Dame Circuit, opened in (1978-1982)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_Gilles_Villeneuve
circuit map
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:%C3%8 … Villeneuve
).svg
————-
and the outline of mans collar looks like, lac des regate,in Parc Jean-Drapeau, QC
bing map of Parc Jean-Drapeau, QC
http://tinyurl.com/4ss3ngq
———-
and im still checking the rest of the island
jpeg links
Montreal-Olympic-Stadium shots
http://lh6.ggpht.com/__eJlLmQ7yoE/Rp7p5 … G_2017.JPG
http://www.usageorge.com/Wallpapers/Cit … adium.html
http://www.pbase.com/jcribou/image/29874085
http://montreal.streetviewtours.com/att … tadium.jpg
Olympic Village, Montreal
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_xy7Q7LUvCGI/S_tzK … tadium.JPG
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_McMiy9xVvtQ/Somaj … MG2038.JPG
and info about the island and expo
expo 67 at JEAN-DRAPEAU PARK
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/expo … 604_e.html
Parc Jean-Drapeau, QC
http://www.parcjeandrapeau.com/attractions-list.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parc_Jean-Drapeau

sorry for such a long post,to lazy to do it in parts
just trying to find a way to the legeater
after finding the dutch connection, my post
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my post
i think i finally found, the dutch connection to montreal,the
INTERNATIONAL OLYMPIC COMMITTEE, voted in Amsterdam. Netherlands
in 1970 for the summer olympics to be held in montreal
http://www.aldaver.com/votes.html
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i was thinking what is montreal famous for,or what is the first thing you
think of, thinking about montreal,if youve never been there, the 76 olympics
see the links for the jpeg img i put up
i G walked sherbrooke to drummond,but didnt see anything from img9, that
would say turn here, i could have missed something though,will look again
when i have more time
maybe in the 80s,the streets were dif,like one way then but not now
or no exit from, or it could have been,just a more direct route in the 80s
or something is not on the route from the O stadium anymore
leg eater at mount stephen club montreal
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2vu/301472 … otostream/
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anyway looking around from the legeater,and checking old posts,sorry forget
who,but i think the blob is hab67 too
the blob
habitat 67
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habitat_67
http://www.habitat67.com/origine_en.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Habitat_panorama.jpg
i think this is whats behind the blob
Montreal Biosphère
The Biosphère of Environment Canada is a museum in Montreal dedicated to water and the
environment. It is located at Parc Jean-Drapeau, on Île Sainte-Hélène in the former
pavilion of the United States for the 1967 World Fair Expo 67.
Expo 67The architect of the geodesic dome was Richard Buckminster Fuller. The building
originally formed an enclosed structure of steel and acrylic cells
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Biosph%C3%A8re
http://www.suite101.com/view_image_articles.cfm/1394476
view of biosphere,from where habitat 67 is and the parc de la cite du havre
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFjTUEvMq2I
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going over to where the sphere is i found this info
the checker pattern, prob represents a racing car flag, and there is a race
track,on the island Circuit Gilles Villeneuve, was called
Île Notre-Dame Circuit, opened in (1978-1982)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_Gilles_Villeneuve
circuit map
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:%C3%8 … Villeneuve
).svg
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and the outline of mans collar looks like, lac des regate,in Parc Jean-Drapeau, QC
bing map of Parc Jean-Drapeau, QC
http://tinyurl.com/4ss3ngq
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and im still checking the rest of the island
jpeg links
Montreal-Olympic-Stadium shots
http://lh6.ggpht.com/__eJlLmQ7yoE/Rp7p5 … G_2017.JPG
http://www.usageorge.com/Wallpapers/Cit … adium.html
http://www.pbase.com/jcribou/image/29874085
http://montreal.streetviewtours.com/att … tadium.jpg
Olympic Village, Montreal
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_xy7Q7LUvCGI/S_tzK … tadium.JPG
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_McMiy9xVvtQ/Somaj … MG2038.JPG
and info about the island and expo
expo 67 at JEAN-DRAPEAU PARK
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/expo … 604_e.html
Parc Jean-Drapeau, QC
http://www.parcjeandrapeau.com/attractions-list.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parc_Jean-Drapeau

Cheers cw0909 – I’ll check this out when I get a minute…

Here you go–it is hard to make out anything definate. Could be a representation of a valley with the curves in the hat being hills or mountains.

Fenix

I forgot to mention that all of the 76 Olympic gymnastic events were held at The Forum which is nowhere near Olympic Park in Montreal. It was home to the Montreal Canadiens, who won their 22nd Stanley Cup in 1977 and where Maurice “Rocket”(wingless bird) Richard ascended to fame.

The Olympics for any city are held at venues all over the place. The gymnastics were just part of the Summer Games in Montreal. Olympic Stadium is a big part of this puzzle in my solve but had nothing to do with Nadia.
As for the Rocket, could be….but I’m more inclined to believe that the wingless bird is in reference to the Velodrome.
I also have seen the “fleur de lis” as it was originally placed in the box with the “Leg Eater” and I believe that could be a hockey reference for the “Flower” himself…Guy Lelafleur.

to trhon………
http://muddyriver.typepad.com/photos/bo … lib13.html
i think to the pic
info here to fiske
just follow links , i have not followed all, have at it, some i have seen shows, dif aspects of work.
j w fiske, pab
http://www.philadelphiabuildings.org/pa … .cfm/88325
fireman
http://www.arch.state.pa.us/display.asp
memorial fountain, an statue
http://www.arch.state.pa.us/display.asp
fiske links/ you will have to check each
http://www.philadelphiabuildings.org/pa … utions.cfm
http://www.winterthur.org/visiting/sear … 7375734944
%
3Azxwklon1hxk&cof=FORID%3A11&z=j+w+fiske&q=j+w+fiske&sa=Search+Winterthur#480
767. Fiske, Joseph Winn, ca. 1832–?
Order books. 1870, 1872.
2 vols.: ill.; 32 cm.
Joseph Winn Fiske, a native of Chelmsford, Massachusetts, went to Australia in 1853 to make and sell hardware and tools. After a stay of five years, he returned to America and started a business making metal products, eventually including umbrella stands, garden fixtures, settees, stable fittings, hitching posts, weathervanes, brackets, etc. In 1900 Fiske incorporated his business into J. W. Fiske Iron Works. The firm remained in business into the late 1980s.
Volumes record orders placed with Fiske between October and December of 1870 and May and August of 1872. The name of the customer, his or her address, and the product ordered were all noted. In some instances, prices and a sketch were added.
Trade catalogues located in Printed Book and Periodical Collection, Winterthur Library.
Folio 90.

This is the tower seen from the park “Square Dorchester/Place du Canada”
which is within walking distance of the “legeater” on Drummond Ave in
Montreal.  The similarity of the step-pattern on the building to the
step-pattern on image 9, may be another confirmer that this is in Montreal.
AP

I have been looking and V7 and Montreal for this P recently.
There is a Jewel at Montreal Botanical Gardens:
http://dcmemorials.com/index_indiv0008353.htm
Also Mark Twain visited Montreal in 1881 and according to this speech he gave:
http://www.twainquotes.com/18811210.html
he visited:
http://www.vieux.montreal.qc.ca/eng/accueila.htm
which is a pretty giant pole (monument) of Horatio Nelson and right across the street are three high posts. Three courthouses right in a row.

I have been looking and V7 and Montreal for this P recently.
There is a Jewel at Montreal Botanical Gardens:
http://dcmemorials.com/index_indiv0008353.htm
Also Mark Twain visited Montreal in 1881 and according to this speech he gave:
http://www.twainquotes.com/18811210.html
he visited:
http://www.vieux.montreal.qc.ca/eng/accueila.htm
which is a pretty giant
pole
(monument) of Horatio Nelson and right across the street are three high posts. Three courthouses right in a row.

i’m with maltedfalcon on this so far.  we have the dogleg and an olmsted park close by,  in montreal.
cw909, good research! is the winterthur library an online library?  forest_blight has been trying to drag someone into some dusty old library to find out where the fiske doglegs were put.  maybe the whole catalogue is online.
i found this a little striking:
http://www.artinliverpool.com/blogarch/ … rtrait.jpg
montreal museum of fine arts had a rembrandt stolen, it was a landscape not a self-portrait, still, the portrait is very similar to our image, don’t you think?
just to add more confusion:
http://flickr.com/photos/squeakybear/30 … 496567908/
http://flickr.com/photos/jazminmillion/1330747839/
grey giant?
http://flickr.com/photos/ash2276/1144165596/

Also found a ‘2’ that I haven’t seen mentioned. Let me know if this was already found. I haven’t read all 10 million posts yet.

Maybe the reason the legeater’s leg goes out of the box???

you’re not alone.
could “jewels” be children… at the place where jewels abound… a children’s park… parc percy walters who willed the land privately to the city under the condition it be a childrens park with no structures.
the park is within 200m of center of Avenue Docteur Penfield – 21 letters
the park has 4 sets of stairs, 3 sets of 5, and one long set of 15 which leads up the back of the park and deadends into a small wall
directly at the botton of 15 stairs
is 3 lampposts, the only three in the park
verse 2?

“As the sound of
friends
Fills the
afternoon hours
“
Prime Minister of France

Fenix

How is 1967 significant to The Big O? I’m missing something.

It’s not, just a waymarker to Montreal.
The cool part of the number “6” in that part of the puzzle is that it shows my dig spot in relation to location near the Olympic Stadium.
http://static1.bigstockphoto.com/thumbs … 160393.jpg

3 stand watch could refer to the number of guard shacks or barriers controlling auto entrance into the campus

Diceycat

3 stand watch could refer to the number of guard shacks or barriers controlling auto entrance into the campus

From end to end here is what you should see
1, 2, and 3 (the covers used to be steps)

fox

The one Major flaw I see in your theory is this:  look at your verse 3 – “twelfth hour”.  Unfortunately, none of the 4 clocks say 12 o’clock.

I’ve always thought that the clock in image 7 was depicting 12:00 o’clock not 3:00 o’clock.  Both hands are pointing to 12 (one behind the other) so it only looks like there is one when there could be two.  While the thing pointing to the 3 is the second hand.
Just a thought.

You are saying the hand pointing to 3 is the “seconds” hand, right?  I also believe the minutes and hour hands are at the 12 position.  In a map overlay, I think the seconds hand tip matches the original 1981 site of the Joan of Arc statue between the Rivergate Casino and the Trade Tower.  Sorry to post in this thread, this response is to the clock in P7.  I just took a moment to verify and it checks out if you relate the seconds hand to a north pointing direction that follows first going across (east) from the Margaret “Bread Lady” statue.

Or you could
simply
say that the hands point to 12 AND 3. ALL of them.

I don’t think it looks like it either, I just think it represents it. The one clue that nailed it down for me is the center of the flower and the center of Olympic Stadium. It was designed with a roof cover that would slide down cables to close the opening of the Stadium. When the cover was on the center of the Stadium looks like the center of a flower.
I see the Monk’s fingers folded and bent like that representing the unusual supports of Olympic Stadium. And when you add in the PX7 box that puts me in my solve location.

This is double-posted on the “map” thread.  Turning the pic a little counter-clockwise, there may be the outline of the Mississippi at St. Louis and above and below St.L.
Look at the outside edge of his white shirt, the edge on his left side.  I need opinions to keep my wishful thinking in check.  Thanks.  –Johann

Having a flair for the obvious,
and knowing the author was
from New York –
the picture is a guy playing chess
and waiting for his opponent
to move.
Outfit confirms this activity.
..next witness…

Trohn – it is not obvious to me at all why think this image has to do with chess. There is a checker pattern, yes, but it could mean any number of things. Why chess? Why not Purina? And if it does signify chess, why New York? Chess is played in other places too. The image is after the style of a generic portrait; I see no indication that he is waiting for a chess partner to move.

How do you Know this?  I think that is a huge stretch.  the outfit confirms what?  I must really be missing something here

As Edison once remarked- I only have to be right once.
Anyways, I will try and quell my normal scatter gun approach
and resolve to be more scientific.  Thanks as always for the
devils advocacy… much appreciated.
That said… I want pair Image 9 with Verse 2.
“At this place where jewels abound”
In the verse, this is the only general reference to location
everything thing else seems to be burial directions and
activity desciotions… so I was thinking… where are jewels.
I have readed that the Jewerly Box gardens have been
explored…. so the other place to find abundant jewels…
a crown!  Which matches our image as having the jewel on
the head covering (dare I describe it as a beret for a Frenchman)
I know this was suppose to be dutch…
So where in America are there crowns with jewels…  The Triple Crown
horse races…  K Derby, Pimlico, and Belmint.  They are parks
and they have fountains.  And the horse pin on the image ties right iin.

to continue…
The other pin with the X… someone will have to confirm this
because  my book hasn’t arrived and I am working with a grainy
version…. is there a ‘L’ an ‘E’ and an ‘X’ super imposed on top
of each other here..?
Also, going back to the hands… the nright hand is protruding three fingers
for the three races AND using the children”s song which has already been
described.. “Here is the church… here is the Steeple”  The Kentucky
Derby, the first jewel in the Triple Crown, is located in Lexington at
Churchhill Downs and the Grandstand is known as the Steeple.