to continue my approach for the verse tie in…
At the place where jewels abound…
All of the winners of the past Kentucky Derbies are on display
The following would be directions to the exact spot
which I would imagine is outside the grandstand and possibly
in a parking lot section (which is numbers and rowed)
“Fifteen rows down to the ground
In the middle of twenty one
From end to end
Only three stand watch”
That last reference would describe three lawn jockies who
were situated and facing the place to dig.  Probably locating them
would help with triangulating their gazes onto one area..
The rest of the verse confirms this race track…

and continueing…
“As the sounds of friends
Fills the afternoon hours”
Thorough bred racing esp. the
weekends such as the triple crown
races occur in the afternoon.
(Think Wringley Field befoe the lights)
“Here is a soverign people
Who build palaces to shelter
Their heads for a night!”
The palace and head usage makes one
initally think of a crown which starts the who thought
process and makes you tie the verse into the image.
The soverign people are the horse hands, the trainers
and the jockeys who all move from track to track
to following the circuit of when the tracks open and close.
They are a family like a circus is a family.  Nomad by design.
They build their  barns for not only housing the horses,
but also themselves at night.  They generally sleep right next
to their horses.
I don’t know if you can call a single horse in a herd a head,
but that is normal practice for other cattle.

And the piece d’ resistance…
“Gnomes admire
Fays delight
The namesakes meeting
Near this site”
Both gnomes and fairies live in and around
grasses and lowlands…but their
namesakes meeting means to combine
both names to make a new one…
gnomes… small, miniature,dwarfllike
in France this suffix would be -et or
for English -ette
so combine that with Fay…
Fayette  which is the county that
Lexington resides.
Now to go to Churchhill Downs website and try
to make the checker pattern….
comments?
Thanks for listening.

Its in freakin’  Louisville… not Lexington
where does that leave me??
*grr*

Tee hee hee… Trohn, I can’t help but laugh, but I do feel your pain.  I think everyone has been there at some point.  I like your thinking though, keep trying.

Detail above the main entrance…

Trying to track down where this 15-storey tent was (fifteen rows down to the ground), and it seems to have been the
Ile Notre Dame
, an artificial island built for Expo 67. Wondered if this might be the hat. That would put the opal on the
Casino de Montreal
.

…or…the adjacent
St Helen’s Island
, with the Expo 67 Buckminster Fuller
biosphere
.
(The Field Guide mentions it on P158…which probably means you can rule it out. It does make quite a nice opal though.  ;))
(Together, these two islands make up
Parc Jean Drapeau
which was the site of
Expo 67
.)

OK, back to the three bares.
The building in the background is the Arts Building, so I think the statue is around here (circle):
As the sound of friends
Fills the afternoon hours
It used to be called the “Friendship Fountain”
Gnomes admire
Fays delight
We previously have the quotation: “The fay’s delight is to await by the fountain”. The gnomes are a problem.
Brownies are gnomes. Brown building…?
Doesn’t account for “admire” though.
I’m still tempted to look for anagrams in this weird phrase.
Fifteen rows down to the ground
The flower is
calendula
. Fifteen rows down on a calendar…
“gnomes admire” -> “gem roman ides”.
Ides of March
, 15th March. Dunno.

At the place where jewels abound
Fifteen rows down to the ground
Taking another look at the step-building, it has a wall running along it.
If you start at the left edge….
…and count down fifteen straights, you get to the right edge, by a lamppost…
(There’s a break in the middle, and I’m not counting curved sections like this.)
This is along the
Avenue des Pins
.
(Hmm, wonder if I can turn my PVM square into a Pin and an XV maybe…
)
This building is the
Royal Victoria Hospital
.
At the place where jewels abound
Fifteen rows down to the ground
In the middle of twenty-one
Twenty-one letters, and a Queen as well.
“Out of those canoes came the
Shining Ones
. Many of them were smaller than the Yar-Ons [Hurons], but they were very powerful.
Their medicine was so strong
that they could not be killed. They were different in appearance from the Yar-Ons as well. Some were ugly, with yellow hair”
Goldilocks. Hospitals. Lampposts.
Hospital…This opal.

Unknown

Unknown:
The Royal Victoria Hospital owes its existence to Sir George Stephen (Lord Mount Stephen) and Donald Smith (Lord Strathcona). These two men were among the Scottish immigrants who became prosperous in Montreal. Smith made his fortune in the fur trade, railways and finance and Stephen in dry goods, flour mills, and railways. Later the two men, who were cousins, became involved in railway construction. The two wealthy citizens of Montreal, in commemoration of the golden jubilee of the Queen, jointly made a donation of one million dollars for a new hospital in Montreal, the Royal Victoria Hospital which opened in 1893. Robert Palmer Howard, Osler’s mentor, was George Stephen’s family physician and also a close friend of Donald Smith. (Howard’s son Jared married in 1888 Smith’s only child.) Robert Palmer Howard was Dean of Medicine and advised on the project until his death in 1889. The hospital was designed in the Scottish Baronial Style.

Oh, and get this…
“It was established in 1893, through the financial contributions of two Scottish immigrants, Donald Smith and
George Stephen
“
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Vict … ,_Montreal
To recap then, I’m thinking this is based around the Royal Vic and the Three Bares by the Arts Building, these being linked by Doctor Penfield Avenue.
Named after
Wilder Penfield
, described as the “greatest living Canadian” during his lifetime; a leading neuroscientist. His biography was called “Something Hidden”.
I see the verse something like this.
At the place where jewels abound
Royal Victoria
Fifteen rows down to the ground
Fifteen rows down the wall from the left of the building to the right, a small green area with a lamppost beside the stepped building.
In the middle of twenty-one
From end to end
I suggested “Royal Victoria Hospital” has twenty-one letters. So does “Avenue Docteur Penfield”:
Only three stand watch
As the sound of friends
Fills the afternoon hours
The “Three Bares”, or “Friendship Fountain”
Here is a sovereign people
Who build palaces to shelter
Their heads for a night!
Royal Vic
Gnomes admire
The Dutch Gnomes casque
Fays delight
To abide by a fountain
The namesakes meeting
Near this site.
The Three Bares, near the Royal Vic.
OK, it’s not quite there yet…like the hospital though.

I had a look for a “three stand watch” who were there on the scene.
This is the hospital’s statue of the the Queen flanked by two children.
History of the Royal Vic

and if it was around in ’82, he would have been just a weee lad.

Ok FB…playing w/ our rebus theory and came up w/ a huuuuuuuuuge stretch but here goes any ways.
*balti – Definition:  a type of one-pot cooking from northern Pakistan involving very spicy dishes served in wide metal pans and served with nan (naan) bread
Etymology:  balti `cooking bucket’
cooking bucket =
(notice the nice round handles..is this our ?unknown image? in the square)?
*mor – abbr. Morocco Moroccan.
morocco – A soft fine leather of goatskin tanned with sumac, used for book bindings and shoes.
goatskin =
head & leg.
BALTI MOR

forest_blight

Trohn – It looks like nothing of the sort to me. Think late 15th / early 16th century European (French / Italian). It looks like something Columbus would have worn:
http://www.northernelectric.ca/medieval/hats/hats.htm
http://www.northernelectric.ca/medieval/hats/hatpix/raphae14.jpg

http://www.baltimore.to/Columbus/

I am working on my contacts for the feasibliity of it.
I hve just been following the clues to where it all leads.
I need to get confirmation on the ‘three stand watch’
and the dates when they were removed.
With the winners circle being in front of the tote boards,
its fits into other clues.
This is where they ‘crown’ the horses and as the image
indicates, the jewel is in the crown.
Hopefully, before they let me dig, someone in Montreal will dig it up……

This is a problem I have too.
Especially with a location like Churchill Downs and also with Montreal.
I was IN Montreal in the late 70’s and again in the mid-80’s. An American could not walk into that city carrying a shovel and just bury something on public property–I don’t think it would have been possible. Even a French-speaking American (me) could not get served in a restaurant during those times! It was the Separitist Movement and it was militantly anti-English-speaking and anti-American.
Preiss would have had to be some sort of invisible man to bury a casque there. I just don’t see it happening.
And I agree about Churchill Downs, as well. Why wasn’t St. Louis pursued more with this image? I thought it was a shoo-in (no pun intended) at one point?
c

Trohn

back then I am sure it was much more open.
Churchill Downs was not as corporate in 1981.

I like the idea of 21=U=horseshoe,  however….
I grew up in Louisville, my aunt worked at the track in the 40’s and 50’s, and my
mother worked for a company that had box seats that she got to use sometimes.  Security
was always tight and the winner’s circle is part of the infield which is not even open unless it’s
a big event like the Derby.  Even so, the winner’s circle is not a place you can just walk into, and the track
was certainly not open to the public before or after a meet.  Now, if you wanted to smuggle some alcohol
in, my cousin could give you some pointers, but burying a casket during a meet *in*the*winners*circle*
is not plausible.  Maybe it would be possible if BP knew an owner/trainer/jockey, but did he?

St. Louis is still being pursued. I hope to reconnoitre Forest Park sometime later this spring (yes, I’ll announce my trip before going).
As for BP being invisible… I remember reading somewhere that, in at least one of our casque locations, he dressed as a utility worker so that police wouldn’t bother him while he dug. people wearing yellow worksuits and surrounded by orange pylons are practically invisible.
…much in the way that obvious civilians digging up tree-roots and bottle-caps in Milwaukee are not.

Trohn

This one is not St Louis.  (But I beat a dead horse)
Give this one a few more weeks and we’ll see about my theories.
(As long as permission is granted)

Whoa!  A few weeks for what?

What are your theories Trohn.
And if this is not St. Louis what is it and which image is STL.
Rember we have a confirmation that a casque is in STL.

There’s a SUPER nice person on the wiki who, in addition to defusing fights, posted this really cool article about how the Canadians liberated the Dutch during WWII.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ve-day-wh … -1.3057318
I spent at least two nights and 15 cans of IPA trying to find any and all links between the two cultures, and I totally missed this so I am grateful.

Here’s a cool article. Keep in mind it’s from something called the “Canadian Encyclopedia” so it is definitely without bias
http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/e … f-holland/

Thankyou wk!  I hope I can make it easy for all of you to one day open up a hyperlink of a photo of another found casque…

I will point out again that the latitudes / longitudes 46–73–74 form boundaries for Montreal, where I will happen to be spending a few days next month. If anyone can brainstorm with Montreal in mind, perhaps we can come up with something for me to take pictures of while I am there.

I do not know if some are forcing numbers
or others are forcing numbers not to be there,
but I do not see the numbers.  I only see hair.
Why would there be two longitutdes?
What boundary indicates the ‘four’?

Trohn – there do not have to be two longitudes, but it makes sense to look for them. Take Image 2 for example. The lion’s mane contains the numbers 32, 33, 79, and 80. These are the four latitude / longitude “hours” that encapsulate Charleston, which we know to be the site of that image’s casque from the map on the mask face. The Houston image is another good example. The frustrating thing about Image 9 is that there are numbers everywhere, and they can be read in multiple ways. But since (a) 73 and 74 are contiguous numbers and (b) I’ll be in Montreal anyway, I thought I would ask.
There is no boundary that indicates the ‘four’ (I’m not sure what you mean by that). Rather, ‘four’ as part of
46
and
74
might
form a latitude or longitude bounding Montreal. This is not that big a stretch, since there is confirming evidence that many of the numbers we’ve spotted represent latitudes and longitudes (thanks fox!), and there is a casque in Canada.

A timer behind the running horse.

still unsure as to which V leads us to SL but I am liking this P more and more.

i found the most obvious checkerboard in stl
purinas checkerboard plaza, there are a couple of parks near there and
a…. b.b. jazz and soup inc. bar
http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=na … 1&ct=image
thought i would add pic

It appears this “foot-eating” motif is definitely Roman in origin. Here are two more examples. The first is a candelabrum base excavated at Ostia. It is interesting in that it is the only other one we’ve seen in which a
hoof
(rather than a claw) is being consumed, although it is a cloven hoof rather than a horse’s hoof as on “our” lamp.
The second is a bronze candelabrum excavated at Pompeii. I found this in Andrew Speltz’s
The Styles of Ornament
(1910).

Cheers AP but that would be hopeless. I’d be thinking up crackpot theories about this book when I should be working on cases.
* * * * *
You can see the sign and the roof from the same spot.
I still like V2 for this image. I tend to see this puzzle in terms of sovereigns, palaces, Kings and Queens.
The sign has eight squares per side like a chessboard.  Fifteen rows down to the ground…?
That way, “In the middle of twenty one” could be “Avenue Docteur Penfield” (21 letters).
The Royal Victoria Hospital (the sovereign people) and the Three Bares (the namesakes…?) are at its north end. (The circle shows the park, dots show the two ends of Penfield. The legeater is a couple of blocks down Drummond, the street shown above Rue de la Montagne.)

Is it a calendula or a poppy?
If this image is for Canada, I think it makes sense as a poppy. Better yet, it workes well in the way both OPal and OPium have same starting letters.

Revisiting thre flower compared to stump shape on large tree,

Why do you say that,? in the two confirmed finds.
the picture leads to the city, general location
and the verse leads to the specific spot the casque was buried,
Is there a reason this one is different?

the picture b4 that one is 333 commonwealth…..if that helps

was looking around boston and found this,
wonder if the legeater co. made this too
http://www.flickr.com/photos/el_ramon/2 … 094528@N01

good find cw0909! it’s not our legeater, but it’s same idea.  i looked in new york for something like that because of the dutch connection in the picture, never came up with anything.

Cormac

The real wast of time is arguing about anything when we really know nothing.
We have some good ideas both ways… no reason not to keep looking.

Nice ideas all around Cormac.  What I really liked hearing was this:
Couldn’t have said it better my friend.

slappybuns

good find cw0909! it’s not our legeater, but it’s same idea.   i looked in new york for something like that because of the dutch connection in the picture, never came up with anything.

now if i knew where on commonwealth it was , i might be able to ask where it came from
not sure if it belongs to the city or some building

None of this is new, but I don’t think we should overlook the importance of the symbolism of the yellow (or gold) checker pattern.
The legeater in image 9 is situated within one of the gold colored squares:
The Mount Stephen Club in Montreal is located within the “Golden Square Mile” neighborhood of Montreal:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Square_Mile
Just as our solved images contain maps of Ohio and Illinois:
Image 9 also contains a map of Quebec:

The character in this pic always did remind me of Shylock from Shakespeare’s Merchant of Venice, and the Folger Shakespeare Library is in DC.  (Perhaps the gazelle is really a donkey–Bottom in Midsummer Night’s Dream.)
There is a chance I could be in DC for a couple days in late December.

The Opal of the Lowland Gnomes:
A cloud of shining, shifting smoke.
Could this be describing a crystal ball? I think of the hazy cloud that you get when the future is unclear.
If so, how the subject of a crystal ball put things in the right frame of perspective? I took a glance at the wiki article on the topic and it says they’re known as a “Shew” or “Show” stone. It’s typically a sphere of quartz crystal. Pure Quartz is just a form of SiO
2
. Opal is similar only a hydrated crystalline structure SiO
2
+
n
H
2
O, giving it a cloudy and rainbow quality.
I wonder if “Shew” stone is a hint for looking for a “Shoe” stone, or a “footstone”? This would be a grave marker. I’m not suggesting we dig for a caque at a grave, btw. I’m suggesting there may be something significant to be gained from learning about someone in particular, similar to how we’ve recognized the Keats grave in its application to Verse 9.
Another thought, Gnomes are typically stone garden affects. Gnomes wear those characteristic shoes. I wonder if we might gain perspective from a Grimm story:
http://classiclit.about.com/library/bl- … -gnome.htm

I’m sure this has been covered before, but I’m not going to plough through 100+ pages to check…
Montreal coords are 73, 45
I remember the 73, but looking at this image earlier I didn’t remember the 45 right next to it, slightly darker. I had to squint to see it, but it seems fairly clear to me now.
What I’m interested in is not so much confirming Montreal, which I think we pretty much all agree on, but the visual obscurity of some definite clues.
I don’t have a paper copy of the book anymore. Maybe it’s more visible there. There may be some things which just can’t be made out on the scans.
Incidentally I see there’s currently a US one on Amazon for £1.37. After that they jump to over £50, so if anyone’s looking for a copy, grab it…! You’ll probably make a nice profit in a couple of years…
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listin … 1415469271
I wonder if the Kindle edition is actually kosher after all, and what the scan quality is like. It’s listed as published by iBooks, which does seem to be related to rightsholder
Colby’s
.
I think there’s still potential for a breakthrough by discovering overlooked image matches in the pictures. I’m sure there’s something going on in the corner of this one, though I’ve no idea what.

WhiteRabbit

I think there’s still potential for a breakthrough by discovering overlooked image matches in the pictures. I’m sure there’s something going on in the corner of this one, though I’ve no idea what.

I know “Peel” was suggested before Montreal was even really on the radar, so that helps with a little of the confirmation bias. Rue Peel being another street within the Golden Square Mile. It’s on the map from my previous post in this thread to show a distance comparison from the Legeater.
Here’s one for fun:
I’ve seen plenty of people suggest that the guy in image 9 is doing the “Here is the church, here is the steeple” thing with his hands. Well, he’s at the point where he’s opening the “doors” of the church. He’s also holding his hands (i.e. the “door”) right in front of his chest. His hands are give us the rebus of “door + chest” or Dorchester.

Just looking at this background area…
Is there any connection to birds in the location area?
I see what could be either a peacock or turkey (on the left)
or maybe a pigeon (on the right) in a nest with baby birds to her left
with their mouths open. (I did not outline them)
Just freely associating…
AP

There is an organization called Bird Protection Quebec.
It may be near Montreal…Haven’t researched it fully yet.
This could denote a bird sanctuary, too.

It’s an odd texture. I wonder if there might have been some photographic element or other special technique in the preparation of some of these backgrounds. I still occasionally glimpse an almost ‘Magc Eye’ stereoscopic-type effect if I angle them and stare at them, even on an iPad, but it may just be imagination.

We’ve already been over this, maltedfalcon, where you said the columns in Cleveland were an exact match and then we took a closer look and the distortions were VERY noticeable.  Another case involved some debate over the Spearman and Bowman in Chicago, again there are clear distortions as evidence that JJP is a capable enough artist that he didn’t need to resort to tracings.  All that matters is that the visual art offers us to recognize the essential markers.

About the legeater-  place yourself in Stanley Park thinking how to construct your collection of clues.  You’ve decided to bury the casque a certain number of steps west of the center of a giant checkerboard.  There is a notable miniature train feature nearby.  The No.374 is a replica of a historically relevant journey of a CPR train from Montreal where the owner and president of that train company has a well known home on the historic register: the Mount Stephen Club.  Nice lamp.  Nice obscure yet completely pertainant clue.  Lets mix it with a blob and orient it to fit the gap of the Gateway to the Northwest Passage sculpture to honor George Vancouver.
This sculpture offers too much to be disregarded.  I’ve closely cropped the window inside the frame to show how the break in the bottom is highly consistent with the placement of the legeater where it breaks through the frame of it’s square.  A range of backgrounds are available depending on where you stand to look through this gate.  One can even gaze in the direction of a large island called
Bowen Island
northwest of this site.  Notice the cluster of buildings to the lower right corner.  I don’t know what this looked like in 1982, perhaps a blob match was more evident in the skyline back then.
Here the arrows originate from the location of the Gateway to the Northwest Passage sculpture.  Red points directly north to Stanley Park and Blue points north and west to Bowen Island.
Its tough to spot but the ruffled outline of the top right side of the hat closely resembles the mountain range contours in the large image of the Gate.

maltedfalcon

So yes I am actually surprised that after researching it we have only found the one.
I believe others existed at some point. but the question is , is this the one in the image. (I think so)
but I have always said finding this lamp base in another city would turn this image / verse on it’s head. and then all un-used verses would be up for grabs regardless of peoples pet theories.

I would respectfully disagree about the image, but I definitely am open to experimenting with alternate verses.
The only other image that I don’t feel is 100% rock solid in the accepted theory is Image 11, but then you have verse 3 that just screams Boston.
So where do you go from there, knowing that there is a treasure in Canada? Please don’t say Stanley Park.
I am sold on the Quebec map in Image 9. The Golden Square Mile is absolutely huge to me. The other chatter recently about SELOY being deliberate or not reminds me that I think it would be a gigantic coincidence that there just happens to be a legeater inside of a golden square (Yes I realize it’s not actually square in image 9), but it actually represents some yet to be discovered legeater in some other city that probably isn’t even a port. I’m looking at you St. Louis, and yes, I subscribe to the “Port City” hypothesis for where the casks are buried
I already talked about Verse 10 in connection with Image 9, but I have yet to find satisfaction in why he spells “grey” with an E. More generally speaking, and I’m just spitballing here, but I’ve always had a nagging feeling about the “simple roots” being a hint that it’s buried in a Square. Be it Dorchester, or Lafayette or otherwise. The fact that Image 9 relies heavily on the checkerboard (square) patterns and uses the golden square to feature the Legeater, telling us to look within the Golden Square Mile once we arrive at Montreal…. I don’t know, that’s quite a run on sentence. But it reminds me of the “Brush and Music, Hush” technique. You’re not literally looking for a brush, just like you aren’t literally looking for a “root”, it’s just generalizing the local geography and telling us it’s buried in some municipal town square somewhere. Again, just kind of brainstorming so I apologize if that doesn’t make sense.
I also find myself coming back to the Sarmiento quote from time to time. How do we feel about Preiss’ intentions on this one? Did he really expect an early 80’s crowd to find that, figure it out and know that it was a quote by Sarmiento referring to the Hotel in New Orleans, thus matching the verse and image? Or were we supposed to take it at face value and extrapolate the “sovereign people” to be a hint at the Quebecois? I mentioned it recently, but the Cathédrale Marie-Reine-du-Monde (On Dorchester Square, within the Golden Square Mile in Montreal) is also a scale model of St. Peter’s Cathedral, just as the St. Charles Exchange Hotel which Sarmiento is referring to in New Orelans. I have trouble with the idea that Preiss would ask us to go that far in the early 80’s to find his hint that it is New Orleans based on that quote. Maybe I’m wrong. Take it or leave it, just a little stream of consciousness there.
And a more general comment for all, with no intention to piss in anyone’s Corn Flakes. I’m disheartened by a lot of the recent speculation about connecting the story to the treasure location. Preiss said in no uncertain terms, as I understand it, that the only things that are important to find a cask are the verses and the images. Nothing in the rest of the book is valid or should be used to construe direction in finding treasure.

I had this idea a long long time ago, but search revealed nothing specific to this, so here it is,
Interpreting the man’s smile as a visual “mood swing” from happy to sad, I think that’s not a bad case for looking into the history of Port Moody where George Vancouver was first to land in 1792.

The problem (with this) is I have photos of the
“new” sections of the renovated Downs.
I know that this pattern is common for the
area in front of the tellers. (both inside
and outside)
The pattern is used so dropped items (ticket/
betting stubs) are easily spotted.
I do not have a photo of the 1982 area.
(with this detail)  A stepped desgin of these
checks fronting an outside betting area would
nail the location – but no photo of this (yet)
I believe the area (if I am correct) is no longer
in its historical perspective.
(Again, I wish I thought I was wrong)

OK… here is my confirmation of “1982”
checkered pattern outside – fronting the
betting area.
This will take a bit of work for you to see
as I am unable to post photos here…
Follow this link:
http://travel.webshots.com/album/65099084MOOzrm
Open up the third photo from the second row of page one.
The furthest building (from the camera) of the background is the
outdoor betting area. If you magnify that area (and review the shadowed
floor) you can see the comon checker board pattern (and it does not appear
to be green as with the modern version.
You can see the pattern clearly if you focus directly under the yellow awning
on the left.
I have a physical postcard photo of the other side of this building,
which is where the old gift shop was located.  Just inside Gate 15.
If someone is able to crop and post the floor pattern of this area,
that would be great!

This looks like a very good start.  Use verse 10.  The grey giant is possibly the tower structure of Olympic Stadium or even better the Expo 67 art construct Le Phare Du Cosmos, St. Helen’s Island next to Isle Notre Dame and south of Isle des Boucherville (Isle of B.)
Notice how the sculpture’s eyes are close together.

‘k, guys, i’m sorry if i confused anyone with rembrandt! i’m dropping that course.  i believe it’s something to do with jacques cartier.
http://data2.archives.ca/ap/c/c011226k.jpg
could be bridge, park, monument.
what is that in the blocks after the opal? x’s? i left my eyes in the bedroom.

A good friend of mine tells me he thinks johann emailed Preiss about P9 paired with V6 when he got the st. Louid response.

Unknown

Unknown:
A good friend of mine tells me he thinks johann emailed Preiss about P9 paired with V6 when he got the st. Louid response

And your good friend would know this how, exactly? While Johann himself mentions trying to make V6 work with the city of St. Louis (Verse 6 Thread; Page 5), most of the compelling evidence gleaned from his other posts suggests that he was getting the most traction using the Verse 2/Image 9 connection, and it’s that solve that he most likely sent to Preiss, eliciting the St. LouiD comment. It was scottrocks7 who was championing the Verse 6/Image 9 connection for Forest Park in St. Louis, way back in 2008, but if anything ever became of that, he didn’t say. His last post was in September, 2009.

johann

I have tried several pic/verse combinations in the last year, and I have used a shovel at least 3 times. Nothing, nothing, nothing. Yet, I know three places the treasure is not. That means something, although it is discouraging. Byron Preiss did confirm that verse 7 is NOT for St. Louis. He was probably tired of my solutions.
Wilhouse does imply a necessary point. We cannot ever assume we are right until we have a treasure in hand. However, we cannot ever assume we are wrong. I know that we all know this, and I do not intend to be condescending, but it seems to me that the two hardest factors of this hunt are: matching pic and verse, and wanting to find/make a solution.
I will pursue the verse 6 idea, since it seems most promising so far. I will also strongly consider image 9 while trying to keep my mind open to other possibilities.

I see my friend isn’t as well informed as I had thought. You’re right, johann did put significant effort in working with Verse 2. I found this post from May 19th, 2004 where he says Verse7 is NOT for St. Louis, but nothing that definitively states which Image/Verse pair was involved when Preiss responded about his being correct about st. Louid, only he had the wrong location. I wonder if P9/V7 was the focus on that particular correspondence. Johann probably abandoned V7 and switched to V2.

Posted by: maltedfalcon Today at 06:21:03 pm
What did your question mean?
malt im just wondering if the flowers, were/are used as confirmers
at the casque site, or are they just for birth flower as listed in
http://thesecret.pbwiki.com/
and if not used as a confirmer at the casque site to what end does the birth flower serve,
a clue to what,

No one really knows for sure but it is believed that the flower is yet another confirmer for the birth month….along with a birthstone and “some” number system representing the month.  Not really sure how the birth month ties in to anything as of yet though….

thanks fox
a buddy suggestd that, may be when they where buired,
or the month that the state, city,or park was founded
or dedicated. i have not looked into this idea, as
it seems there is enough in the pics to find the city
without the birth idea

Forest,
At least he took the time to reply…
That was polite…disappointing, but polite.
Thanks for trying.
AP

Hey folks. Not to take this discussion back to STL but in the image there is a ornament with a dog and a leg. This has been pointed to as evidence on Montreal. However, I am thinking maybe it was trying to communicate “dogleg” as it references a golf course hole. Above this is a flag in the image and has been suggested hole 7??? If you match this image to verse six there is a reference to the “on the eighth” again maybe referring to hole 7 or 8? I don’t know the layout of the courses in Forest Park very well and hope to walk them next month when I am in STL. I have heard there are actually 3 different courses.
Just keeping STL hope alive!

forest_blight

Okay, I just wrote a nice letter (on real paper!) to J. W. Fiske. I was able to get his P.O. box from someone who knew it. Again, the hope is that he will be able to simply look up who else purchased lamp bases like the ones in Montreal.

From J. W. Fiske, 9/30/08:
“Thank you for your inquiry. I am sorry, but I can be of little help to you. I must apologize for taking so long to answer but I have been away all summer and a large pile of mail when I returned. You are correct in assuming that many parts were used in various and different assemblies. I do not have any old sales records which might shed some light in answering your questions. I will hold the photos – let me know if you would like them returned. Sincerely, Joseph W. Fiske.”

Good try FB.

Looking closely at image 9 it seems there are 3 groupings of checker pattern that are distinctly similar with even the same number of tiny squares if you bother to count them: the area below his neckline as one section, and the cuffs of his sleeves, each a section.  I consider this a strong indicator that this is meant to describe the spot in Stanley Park that has 3 giant checker game boards.  I haven’t found many pictures of these boards, but I have found enough evidence that suggests this is their layout, each turned at a slightly different angle from the other, closely matching this drawing I’ve mocked up if we had an aerial view of the boards,
Also, this next bit is truly amazing and It’s a travesty if folks don’t see what about this image justifies this approach:
now this,
and this,
The Harding memorial was dedicated by the Kiwanis organization.  Kiwanis is a Native American word for “we meet/share”.  The verse very accurately describes this location:  The natives still remember / Him of Hard word in 3 Vol.  I think I might have already posted the link about this firm connection to the 3 volume set of presidential speeches.

(Page 141)
The Cougar
In the Pavilion there, for all to see,
Above the mantel, in a case of glass,
The cougar stands. How did it come to pass
A fate like this should fall to such as she,
Who once the forest ranged fearless and free,
A stealthy huntress, lithe and swift?
Alas! Her roving temper moved her to harass
The Park preserves—such fools may felines be!
Swiftly she swam the Narrows, softly crept
Across the beach, the road, through brush, o’er logs,
To the deer paddock, made her killing there.
Each night she found her prey; by day she kept
Her hiding, but not long—for men with dogs,
Skilled Nimrods, came and tracked her to her lair. (End)
I have a few considerations on the LegEater lamp, but first I cant help wondering if the “for all to see” line isn’t a sort of crossover with Verse 7 line 6.  Not seeing a reason or use for drawing that connection other than noting the same three words..just a fluke i bet.
1.  The lamp was discovered by accident and the excitement behind it draws our focus deeper into Montreal.
2.  The lamp is used to reference the Canadian locomotive #374.
3.  A cougar head eating a deer/goat leg helps point to the big news event from Oct.26 1911 in Stanley Park.
4.  The #374 miniature train has a “look for the hidden cougar”  attraction based on this historical event.
5.  A head which is eating and a leg consumed does correlate to the character of Pac-Man, which is essentially a head with no legs that constantly consumes.  Pac-Man was an immediate success in 1980 and was formerly known as Puck Man.  I find the word puck is indicative of hockey which is fully supported if a location in Stanley Park is the intended interpretation.  Combined with the fact that the CPR was nicknamed the “Pac-Man” train.

maltedfalcon

The assumption would have been someone in montreal would recognize the legeater

I see where you’re coming from, but I’m not sure about that assumption. I was trying to see if there was a way that anyone could find it, not just locals.

Unknown

Unknown:
someone in cleveland would recognize the transit tower.. (at least I think it was the transit tower, but I’m not from cleveland

LOL…obviously! It’s the
Terminal Tower
.  I’m not from Cleveland either.
(Just kidding!!)
Didn’t something (preface? Explanation? Outside info?) once say that the Field Guide was written after the images and poems were written/drawn and without any input to the treasure locations? And that it was nothing more than “filler” for the book? I would not put too much credence into matching images from there and the paintings; this seems like a stretch to me. The paintings themselves have plenty of images, iconic and otherwise, to obscure
and
lead to the casques. The concensus of opinion seems to point to the locations we have already agreed on–for good reason. I cannot think of any other location being valid other than Charleston for image 2, Boston for 11,
New
York for 12, Milwaukee for 10, Houston for 8,
New
Orleans
for 7, etc. and I think the clues so far uncovered have supported these locations, even though casques were not found there.  Casques will probably never be found now–it’s just been too long and the landscapes have changed too much. The hunt is fun, and the possibility still exists for finding definitive locations, but I think that really  there have just been too many changes.

Unknown

Unknown:
someone in cleveland would recognize the transit tower.. (at least I think it was the transit tower, but I’m not from cleveland

LOL…obviously! It’s the
Terminal Tower
.  I’m not from Cleveland either.
(Just kidding!!)
Didn’t something (preface? Explanation? Outside info?) once say that the Field Guide was written after the images and poems were written/drawn and without any input to the treasure locations? And that it was nothing more than “filler” for the book? I would not put too much credence into matching images from there and the paintings; this seems like a stretch to me. The paintings themselves have plenty of images, iconic and otherwise, to obscure
and
lead to the casques. The concensus of opinion seems to point to the locations we have already agreed on–for good reason. I cannot think of any other location being valid other than Charleston for image 2, Boston for 11, New York for 12, Milwaukee for 10, Houston for 8, New Orleans for 7, etc. and I think the clues so far uncovered have supported these locations, even though casques were not found there.  Casques will probably never be found now–it’s just been too long and the landscapes have changed too much. The hunt is fun, and the possibility still exists for finding definitive locations, but I think that really  there have just been too many changes.

(…not the preface…I would have noticed before my copy fell to pieces…)

I totally agree that this image indicates Montreal
But you are looking at it backwards
The iconic image isnt something you find after reading the book.
Its’s something the reader would know so that when you saw the book you would know which picture belongs to your city.
The assumption would have been someone in montreal would recognize the legeater
someone in Chicago would recognize the water tower
someone in cleveland would recognize the transit tower.. (at least I think it was the transit tower, but I’m not from cleveland.
I’m from the bay area, so I recognize Goldengate park…
Not that any one reader could recognize all the icons, but that locals would know their icons…
Thinking “I” would never recognize the legeater to be from montreal makes no sense since I am not from montreal…
Occam’s razor applies here, hundreds of internet searches. flickr photos, google earth, trying to contact the manufacturer of the legeater….
nobody can find another legeater in any other city (especially St.Louis…)
This picture has to represent Montreal…

AMEN that’s what I have been saying all along and another thing I did not think about the map being upside down but it looks like almost all of the clues are upsidedown in this image.

I’m not sure about all this bounding malarkey, but adjacent pairs seems to cover the two solved, likely locations like NO, and Eg’s theory. The 39/40 seems a perfectly valid possibility to me.
I don’t see where Vancouver comes into it though, and I think the Montreal legeater is almost certainly the source for Image 9. It might be a red herring, but it’s extremely unlikely we’ll find another.

Real discussion!!! This is great!!! I’m tempted to join in. Oh, no! I shouldn’t have said anything… did I jinx it?
My thoughts on the numbers in the pic…
1) the man’s chest is a 3
2) the flower holds three numbers – 45, 46, 67
3) the hairs hold three numbers 73.5
4) the upper-right chest holds three letters – P I X
-although, this could very easily be a 74, as the 7 and the 4 are in the exact same font-style as those same numbers in the flower
5) the golden square holds three places – olympic stadium, habitat 67, mount stephen club
I don’t think the hair on the upper-left is/are numbers… I’ve been toying with the idea that they can be mirrored, much like each side of his face, to produce a very stern mouse
3 blind mice? Massive headwound harry?

Egbert

FB, you are leaving out the 39 in his hairline on the forehead.  That is very clearly a number there.  If that is a coordinate, then that kicks out Montreal.

Unknown

Unknown:
I think we have knocked out St. Louis at this point, despite the peculiar email from BP that seemed to imply that one was buried there.

I have to admit I’ve never considered the chrysanthemum anything other than a flower (but the rose in P1 does look suggestive of something, I can’t tell quite what). It does look like there is something there. Nothing intelligible. Read right-side-up, I see:
IWK
BOE
…which is nonsense.
I deliberately omitted it from discussion because it did not help distinguish Montreal and New York (the only contenders in my scenario). 39 is not consistent with either one… unless you want to go significantly
south
of NYC and deliberately ignore the (even more blatant) 73.
The legeater lamp is not necessarily a tie to Montreal, even though the only one that has been spotted is situated there. That model was cast for mass production.
I doubt JJP would decide to use it for any purpose other than a site confirmer. That’s just a strong suspicion on my part.
Yes, except that 39 is a bounding latitude for St. Louis.
The elephant in the room is that 39 and 73 just aren’t compatible. The upper left corner of the latitude/longitude quadrangle bounded by 39 and 73 is in the Atlantic east of NJ, and no map would be so imprecise as to lead BP to believe otherwise. I think we are either misreading the 39 or one of these numbers is simply not a latitude/longitude.

Egbert

FB, you are leaving out the 39 in his hairline on the forehead.  That is very clearly a number there.  If that is a coordinate, then that kicks out Montreal.

Unknown

Unknown:
I think we have knocked out St. Louis at this point, despite the peculiar email from BP that seemed to imply that one was buried there.

I have to admit I’ve never considered the chrysanthemum anything other than a flower (but the rose in P1 does look suggestive of something, I can’t tell quite what). It does look like there is something there. Nothing intelligible. Read right-side-up, I see:
IWK
BOE
…which is nonsense.
I deliberately omitted it from discussion because it did not help distinguish Montreal and New York (the only contenders in my scenario). 39 is not consistent with either one… unless you want to go significantly south of NYC and deliberately ignore the (even more blatant) 73.
The legeater lamp is not necessarily a tie to Montreal, even though the only one that has been spotted is situated there. That model was cast for mass production.
I doubt JJP would decide to use it for any purpose other than a site confirmer. That’s just a strong suspicion on my part.
Yes, except that 39 is a bounding latitude for St. Louis.
The elephant in the room is that 39 and 73 just aren’t compatible. The upper left corner of the latitude/longitude quadrangle bounded by 39 and 73 is in the Atlantic east of NJ, and no map would be so imprecise as to lead BP to believe otherwise. I think we are either misreading the 39 or one of these numbers is simply not a latitude/longitude.

Unknown

Unknown:
The Fair People withdrew from the Old World (which they called the Middle Kingdom), migrating across the Ocean Sea to dwell in the hills and forests of the New Found Land.

If we take the Image 9 coords for NY, then what do you make of possible Image 12 coords Egbert…? The clearest numbers I see are 36 on the flower (turn sideways)…
…could also be 63,38, 83 etc…
…and 50 in the waves. (Turn the picture 90 deg anticlockwise and the “5” is the breaking wave.)
63, 50 is the Havre-Sainte-Pierre area near Newfoundland.

Found a strong match to the image today.  I want to present it flipped and reversed and see if anyone recognizes it.  I think it rivals the lamp.

Unknown

Unknown:
George Stephen
, also known as Sir George Stephen, was a Scots-Quebecker banker and railway executive in Canada. He became the first president of
Canadian Pacific Railway
in 1880 and was the main contributor to the early success of CPR. Building the costly transcontinental railway was a very difficult task which involved several financial problems and cost overruns, but Stephen with the help of his banking experience managed to put together the finance required to complete the project. He even staked his own money in the project. He was a magnanimous philanthropist in Montreal and England and donated over $1 million during his life. The Royal Victoria Hospital, Montreal, and hospitals in England were among the beneficiaries from his wealth. He was also the first Canadian to be knighted when he was made a Baronet of Montreal in the Province of Quebec in the Dominion of Canada. His house in Montreal was turned into a private club,
Mount Stephen Club
.

Big grey tree arch over a small path just
south
of Burrard Inlet,
The small end rests on the inverted V arch support while the larger base portion rests on a rock pile amidst some shrubs.  At the base of that there is a plaque that reads,
5 feet suspended above is the bottom view of the tree where it was severed from the stump.
I printed this and made a crappy hand drawn attempt at outlining it’s silhouette which I ended up rotating 90 degrees.
I completed some of the lines afterwards.
I thought it kinda looked like this,
I think this is one of the main objects for the Image 9 and Verse 10 pairing.
This is Vancouver.  Remember the LegEater Lamp in Montreal?  It’s in front of the Mount Stephen Club.  Let’s look at an excerpt from a biography about the man that house and lamp belonged to,
500 feet away from the Lumberman’s Arch is a miniature train built to honor Canada’s first transcontinental railway trip, the No.374 of George Stephen’s
Canadian Pacific Railway
company.
Just up the road next to the 9 o’clock Gun is the Brockton Point light house.  It has an iron railing that closely resembles something from the image minus a circle and the two runes.
Revisiting the Latitude options:
Stanley Park Lat/Long:
49
.3037° N, 123.1452° W
The Montreal alternative: a 4 combined with a 6 to make 46.  Near Mount Stephen Club Lat/Long:
45
.5081° N, 73.5550° W.  Technically we could round it to 46.
The Expo ’67 option: it looks like a 67 also, and the Expo logo does have a flower, although the outline of the flower doesn’t match in any significant way other than saying here’s one round shape and here is another round shape each with distinct and intricate differences.

Unknown

Unknown:
George Stephen
, also known as Sir George Stephen, was a Scots-Quebecker banker and railway executive in Canada. He became the first president of
Canadian Pacific Railway
in 1880 and was the main contributor to the early success of CPR. Building the costly transcontinental railway was a very difficult task which involved several financial problems and cost overruns, but Stephen with the help of his banking experience managed to put together the finance required to complete the project. He even staked his own money in the project. He was a magnanimous philanthropist in Montreal and England and donated over $1 million during his life. The Royal Victoria Hospital, Montreal, and hospitals in England were among the beneficiaries from his wealth. He was also the first Canadian to be knighted when he was made a Baronet of Montreal in the Province of Quebec in the Dominion of Canada. His house in Montreal was turned into a private club,
Mount Stephen Club
.

Big grey tree arch over a small path just south of Burrard Inlet,
The small end rests on the inverted V arch support while the larger base portion rests on a rock pile amidst some shrubs.  At the base of that there is a plaque that reads,
5 feet suspended above is the bottom view of the tree where it was severed from the stump.
I printed this and made a crappy hand drawn attempt at outlining it’s silhouette which I ended up rotating 90 degrees.
I completed some of the lines afterwards.
I thought it kinda looked like this,
I think this is one of the main objects for the Image 9 and Verse 10 pairing.
This is Vancouver.  Remember the LegEater Lamp in Montreal?  It’s in front of the Mount Stephen Club.  Let’s look at an excerpt from a biography about the man that house and lamp belonged to,
500 feet away from the Lumberman’s Arch is a miniature train built to honor Canada’s first transcontinental railway trip, the No.374 of George Stephen’s
Canadian Pacific Railway
company.
Just up the road next to the 9 o’clock Gun is the Brockton Point light house.  It has an iron railing that closely resembles something from the image minus a circle and the two runes.
Revisiting the Latitude options:
Stanley Park Lat/Long:
49
.3037° N, 123.1452° W
The Montreal alternative: a 4 combined with a 6 to make 46.  Near Mount Stephen Club Lat/Long:
45
.5081° N, 73.5550° W.  Technically we could round it to 46.
The Expo ’67 option: it looks like a 67 also, and the Expo logo does have a flower, although the outline of the flower doesn’t match in any significant way other than saying here’s one round shape and here is another round shape each with distinct and intricate differences.

Leg to log
Shore to shore
Pour some Egg Nog
And take the tour
Montreal to Vancouver
A railway the longest
On tree and on cougar
A giant’s foot arched
Was a tower
Now a flower
Don’t be parched
Quench thy thirst
Casque be third
But for you the first
Now don’t dally too longest.

This Lumberman’s Arch continues to intrigue me.  The shape of the plaque is very close in shape to the man’s face once flipped 180 degrees.  The words themselves describe a previous structure, the Bowie Arch, located at Pender and Hamilton in downtown Vancouver, year 1912.
This site is also bound by Highway 7A.  Given the directions of the streets forming an “X” compared to a north oriented view on a map and that Pender is a double wide street compared to Hamilton, I am beginning to suspect this is a good fit for the boxed rune shape on the man’s lapel.  Perhaps this is a
P
for Pender and a
7
for Highway 7A.
I should also remark the most interesting part in all this is that this is also the exact site recognized as the terminus of the CPR (which shares the same “owner” as the Legeater lamp).

BP

“(From BPreiss)
Very impressive work esp since the book is 20 years old.  I think you deserve to  know that you are correct about st. Louid,but not correct about the location.thanks for all your excellent work.
“

[reworking my post, it was a mess]
The above quote, everyone recognizes as a correspondence from Preiss to Johann via fox and recompiled by forest_blight.  I think it appeared in this thread first. The reason why is that Johann’s theory for St. Louis favored Image 9.
Image 9 has three favored locations as far as I can tell.
1) Montreal (most favored), the lat/long and legeater are the strongest support
2) St. Louis, lat/long isn’t favored (bigmatty makes a strong case against), Trohn, Johann and others toy with this idea.
3) Vancouver (my choice), alternate lat/long “49/23”, 9 is presented like a 6 and the 23 is a partial to 123, legeater’s owner supports the CP Rail Montreal to Vancouver and miniature train theory.
I strongly note Preiss nevery said CITY of St. Louis.  He says St. Louis is correct, and location is not correct.  The automatic interpretation of this is to assume St. Louis is the city and the location in the city presented by Johann is incorrect.  Oddly, St. Louis is misspelled as “st. louid” and so we must also assume he made an unintentional spelling error.  The letter S is next to the letter D on the qwerty keyboard -an easy or common mistake, but it might also serve as a very subtle hint that this St. Louis is also the wrong St. Louis.  An error is the simplest approach to bring attention to something and if Preiss had a reason to bring attention to this small alteration may have been his method to do so.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/a-real-life-da-vinci-code-treasure-hunters-think-a/article_06a300e5-de47-5ee3-92eb-2b7b96a1f5ba.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

bignate

Glad to see the discussion revive here.
I think the top right of the hat is voie camillien-houde which defines the northwest border of Mount Royal. So by itself it doesn’t lend any more specifics. The leg eater definitely could be the dig spot indicator, as nothing else is so specific. But I am still doubtful that the dig would have happened in such a conspicuous privately owned spot. So what else could be the identifier? 2 suggestions: 1. The runes are not 74, and are out there on a plaque/rock/statue still to be discovered. 2. The stair step collar, which unfortunately has 4 or 5 reasonable locations in the area that ended up as an unintentionally poor locator.

oh oh..i know! btw…the runes p and 7 shaped rune are off peel and on the mctavish res…so theyve already been discovered…

I’m not sure what the current thinking is on which verse goes with this pic, but a couple of people have suggested V5. There’s an “Abbot” in the initials, so I was looking at some possibilities for that – eg
John Abbott
, Canada’s third Prime Minister. According to his Wikipedia article, he was involved with the Canadian Pacific Railway, and served as President (like George Stephen), though he’s not included in
this list
of them. The
John Abbott College
on the
Island of Montreal
is named after him.
Re: the Dutch connection, there’s a brief mention of
Jacques Cartier
in a footnote on P27 which is followed by a reference to the competition between the Hurons and the Iroquois for the French and Dutch fur trade. The
Iroquois
were
trading partners
with the Dutch.
* * * * *
(The Wiki suggests St Louis as an alternative to Montreal, so I’ll just throw in a thought on “Lane / Two twenty two”. Lane two -> Blane, two twenty two -> 44, the year of
Meet Me in St Louis
with songs by
Blane
.)

I was under the impression that the X was this picture’s substitute for a clock.  The Roman numeral (10) is a match with the October (10) flower and birthstone.

Blob

Maybe the legeater and the blob really do emulate the Gate to the Northwest Passage sculpture.  there is that same angle breaking the square at the base that the leg goes through and the blob is right at the spot where some buildings sit.  It’s looking quite good.  The contour of the tree and the side angle view of the arch/gate is quite similar to the shape of the hands.

Yeah, Pie IX came to mind before as well. Except in the order wouldn’t it be Pie XI? Which isn’t a street or metro stop. Just a garden-variety pope.

bignate

Yeah, Pie IX came to mind before as well. Except in the order wouldn’t it be Pie XI? Which isn’t a street or metro stop. Just a garden-variety pope.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pie-IX_Boulevard
Things in the Images are not straightforward.

bignate

Yeah, Pie IX came to mind before as well. Except in the order wouldn’t it be Pie XI? Which isn’t a street or metro stop. Just a garden-variety pope.

Nate, I believe the PIE IX is a red herring in this Image.
The box or as I call it, the PX7 box is in reference to Nadia Comaneci in the ’76 Olympics. She was the first athlete to ever score a Perfect 10 in the Olympics. She had a total of 7 Perfect 10s during the games. They were achieved on the Balance Beam and Uneven Bars. The design of the box in Image 9 has a bar at the top and bottom representing the Uneven Bars. The “X” is for the 10 and the thicker diagonal bar of the “X” represents the Balance Beam.
P – Perfect
X – 10
7 – Qty of Perfect 10s
I found that nobody agrees with how I deciphered this but that’s okay. I keep trying to learn more about the Images everyday and out of nowhere new possibilities pop up from what I see or others see.

thanks shrek! pretty neat whiterabbit!

i feel so left behind without my puter hooked up! so out of the hunts.. Well i love going downtown & i cant wait to do some walking with you! get some free fudge samples. If we go with this verse WHERE would one dig?? This doesnt really say go here find that look down & dig around. Any ideas on what lines to use for digging??

FB,
I will look into it .  The building was the Pierce Building before the Adams Mark took it over . I’ll be back down there again on Monday , but more time around Union station And The gateway Mall park area . I will be at the hotel If only to find that person who told me 1968 . I think I’ll put him on the 9ft horse and take him to the river . Really I think I have to bite my words on this one  it’s not looking good .  Carol

Carol – found it, 1984:
http://www.builtstlouis.net/opos/piercebuilding.html

It might be helpful to research the use of the Pierce building circa 1981.  Had HBE Corp. or the previous owner already turned it into a hotel before the Adam’s Mark conversion?  Were the horses already there in the lobby?  I wouldn’t write this clue off without checking that history.

FB,
Thank you . I had actually found , and gotten , dates from  1968 to 1986. I was terribly frustrated to say the least . I’m still headed down on Monday though to look further into other areas and getting better pics of the park areas along the gateway Mall .
Frishkie ,  When I first seen noticed the insignia for the Adams Mark Hotel in the flower on the dress , that’s when I looked into the hotel . Now my thought is the same as yours it could’ve been a running hotel and Just not switched over yet . Talking with folks here it seems it went through a few channels , but these folks I seem to notice aren’t reliable . I’m on it as soon as I can . I’ll let you know .My attention for Monday is the Union Station and  THE MEETING OF THE WATERS .

may have found the dutch connection
was talking to the neighbor, about his slate roof repair, on the net we go
while we are looking he mention, a story he heard of a small house in N.Y.
for sale for 2 mill$, that link i lost,but i did find these for the addy
he remembered the addy, from the lost link
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/371206250/
then this link mentioned dutch gables,and i remember someone had posted about the
neck line, and some building in montreal, i think the building was built after the book
then a few more like the small house was posted, then a disscuion on lots of buildings
look like that, so that may not be what we look for, or something like that, i did not
go back and read it all again, anyway i went looking, and i think the gables is the dutch
connection we are looking for, mcgill U has a dutch gable or 2, and is near the park
………mcgill links at bottom of post……..
this is the dutch gable link
http://wikimapia.org/8279070/75-1-2-Bed … Cary-Grant
neck gables
http://www.european-architecture.info/H … TERDAM.htm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thepretender/1708052913/
stepped gables
http://www.european-architecture.info/H … P-STEP.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crow-stepped_gable
mcgill
http://books.google.com/books?id=fVEeYO … al&f=false

In this economy, they are likely to be the only assets any of us get–and they’re imaginary!!

Cool image….it definitely could have been where palencar sourced the idea from….check out this link – the small window – just above the large flower window. I wonder if the small window is “Ace is high”?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ … ntreal.jpg

That’s more like a club or clover than ace. But the copper green steeple/spire on top can be considered an ace.

Choice

That’s more like a club or clover than ace. But the copper green steeple/spire on top can be considered an ace.

I noticed something else that I think points to the Irish – I want to know if you can see it too – The jewel or dot on the middle of the hat – about 2 checker squares to the right – there are some letters in some of the gold squares – 3 letters…can you make out what they are.

Spiritr

REALLY!? You sure it’s Irish and not African Americans?

Another invaluable contribution.

Continuing from image #1 thread…..is Choice around?

MERLIN

Continuing from image #1 thread…..is Choice around?

Im here

Choice

Im here

Hey Bro….You did me a real “solid” with that justice image – I wanted to share with you what I believe to be the image match for the large flower on the right side of the characters outfit…..Let me know what you think –
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ … ntreal.jpg

Seen one cathedral seen all! They all look the same to me. I was going with the Christ church cathedral because of the goat gargoyle looks similar to the combination of the guy in the painting and the bootie biter with hooves.

One other thing I found…..In the square above the Legeater image – people talk about the X in the box……It’s not an X – it’s a Saint Patricks Cross.

The first pages of the book has a sample solve that looks very similar to the character in the painting. And it’s face matches the gargoyle in the sample drawing. Also similar musical notes on top of the wrought iron fencing.

MERLIN

You did me a real “solid” with that justice image

Thanks again Choice. I believe the immigration reference to this puzzle is Irish not Dutch. –
http://216.48.92.16/omeka2/jmccutcheon/ … n-montreal

One normally connects Quebec to French but connection to Englestan is understandable.

Choice

One normally connects Quebec to French but connection to Englestan is understandable.

Yeah…I was just going off of the Wiki interpretation.

Unknown

Unknown:
Another invaluable contribution.

Unintentional irony at its finest. Bravo.

Euhirudinea

Unintentional irony at its finest. Bravo.

And yet another.

Unknown

Unknown:
I believe the immigration reference to this puzzle is Irish not Dutch.

REALLY!? You sure it’s Irish and not African Americans?

MERLIN

Let me know what you think –
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ … ntreal.jpg

Your T in justice looks like a Victory or an angel with it’s wings spread. Have a match?
Similar to:
Note the X at the base.

Thanks all!!  I’ll keep posting when anything new arises.
–Johann

wow what are the odds! Thats really cool id really try to follow up on that! Maybe it was a hunt designed so it could only start if some random person decided to dig in that random place and find the clue? lol that would be cool but i doubt it—in any case follow up for sure and keep us posted. What was the condition of the contaner? How long would you guess it had been buried? That is so neat!

X thank you for link, i went to buildings,
at the link you posted and found two buildings
the same, they are 3. and 4, didnt see a 1,2 or 5
im thinking there are at least 4, they were built in 1964
since the other one i posted wasnt built till 87, and there
are at least two maybe bp thought you would know the pattern
in 80,81
http://www.imtl.org/montreal/timeline.php
large view
at this link you can see both buildings, and maybe a third
http://www.imtl.org/montreal/building/P … azie-4.php
no time to look on a map to see how close to the legeater they are

the primary reference is to dorchester square

i dont see the connections to olympics.
heres what ive worked out:
GSH sends you cross country on the CPR all the way to BC to the mount stephen house at base of mount stephen.
relates to canada generally in that many political leaders were members of the club…there are other tangents to follow via this angle which will bring you to other places in mtl, ive not explored fully.
one of these locations is likely the first bank of mtl.
also, the hospitals with the step features like on the trafalgar girls school.
probably others as well…

takes you to the sun life building as well.

After deciphering the PX7 box and getting feedback from MrSeabass showing the Olympic Village being the collar, I’m going to add my thoughts on the Leg Eater.
My solve is in Olympic Park where you’d definitely need permission to dig out. That being said, “How does the Leg Eater tie-in to the Olympics?” For decades the International Olympic Committee (IOC) has been notoriously corrupt. Each time the cities trying to obtain the Olympic Games put their bids in to the IOC those cities would work all kinds of perks to the members of the IOC. The cities with the winning bids to host the games would offer the most money, the best food, the finest wines, incredible accommodations and the best entertainment….aka hookers/escorts.
As a Gentleman’s Club, The George Stephen House was a perfect fit for entertaining the corrupt IOC members.
Thoughts?

MrSeabass

That’s a square-peg-in-a-round-hole…..

Good grief….Deja Vu…..now, I’m actually suffering from the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon.
(lost should know what that is. She’s a psychologist.)

MrBackstop

After deciphering the PX7 box and getting feedback from MrSeabass showing the Olympic Village being the collar, I’m going to add my thoughts on the Leg Eater.
My solve is in Olympic Park where you’d definitely need permission to dig out. That being said, “How does the Leg Eater tie-in to the Olympics?” For decades the International Olympic Committee (IOC) has been notoriously corrupt. Each time the cities trying to obtain the Olympic Games put their bids in to the IOC those cities would work all kinds of perks to the members of the IOC. The cities with the winning bids to host the games would offer the most money, the best food, the finest wines, incredible accommodations and the best entertainment….aka hookers/escorts.
As a Gentleman’s Club, The George Stephen House was a perfect fit for entertaining the corrupt IOC members.
Thoughts?

I always liked the Olympic stadium tower as the legeater leg sticking out of the frame if the pic is flipped

this is definitely not the main reference (relating to the treasure hunt)…but it could be a secondary ref, as there is also a 76 in the flower.

Duece
That’s an interesting idea and looks just like what you say…nice.
JC
No, definitely not the main reference, just an interesting tie-in to the 76 Montreal Games. The number 67 is in reference to the 1967 World Expo.
MrSeabass
If you like I could put a more positive spin on it and say the Gentlemen’s Club was just a top notch Restaurant/Hotel that many of the IOC members enjoyed while they were at the games. I was just hoping to get some thoughts on what the Leg Eater connection was and I haven’t been able to find any in this thread.
And I’ll leave you with this, I worked in the media (local news station) in the early ’80s and you’d be surprised what info comes into the house, what info gets exploited on the 6 O’clock news, and what info gets left on the cutting room floor.

not going to bite here…pretty sure you are referring to the Triple Crown of horse racing…

Ste Catherine and Ste Laurent. The tan building with the peep shows and selling DVDs is 2 through 22 Ste. Catherine.

JC
The uneven bars aren’t actually uneven in width, one is just at a different height than the other…..uneven, like one bar on the box is above the bar on the bottom.
Drunknerds
That’s a very detailed description, interesting and well thought out. I’ve learned a lot from reading this.
My interpretation of the Flower is this:
The flower itself represents Olympic Stadium. The center is the opening through the roof, the petals are the supports around the building.
The numbers:
67: The World’s Fair was in 1967
76: Olympic Games of Montreal in 1976
77: The Montreal Expos started playing at Olympic Stadium in 1977
And I’ll add this, the circle that forms the bottom of the “6” is indicating the direction of the casque from the stadium. I also see the flower as the “clock” in this Image. Using the that same circle this clock is set at 7:00

yea, exactly…so why is that a significant spot? seeing as it wasn’t referred to as 2-22 until after, why would it be relevant to the reference Preiss used in the verse?

anus905

yea, exactly…so why is that a significant spot? seeing as it wasn’t referred to as 2-22 until after, why would it be relevant to the reference Preiss used in the verse?

Maybe the locals know.

drunknerds

The X is representative of the U.S.’ first foray into the antarctic, which was named the Exploring Expedition. It’s nickname? The “Ex Ex”
The most exciting story of Antartica is the race to plant the flag in the south pole. The “P” looks way more like a flag than a P
The flag represents P for “pole.” Note how it appears shadowed, especially compared to the 7, indicating it is the lower, Southern Pole.
The first person to speculate there was a continent on the bottom of the earth was Ptolemy. Take the flag as a P, rotate the cross 45 degrees, and you have a T. Pt for Ptolemy.
Antartica was discovered in 1917. Take the P and flip it, you get a 9. The 7 next to the bottom right of the X looks like a 17. The quarter of the X right next to the “flag” is the other 1. 1917.
James cook’s major expedition occured in 1773 and 1774. The flag flipped is a 4, the bottom right corner of the 1 is a 1. And there are so many 7s that can be found in the image
The bolded line of the X represents the Trans Antarctic Mountains, the pronounced range that splits the continent and is positioned in the exact same orientation as the aforementioned bolded line
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transantarctic_Mountains
Preiss was a publisher, one of the most famous stories about Antarctica (actually the most famous story I can remember by far), was “at the mountains of madness” by Lovecraft. It detailed a cryptic bunch of symbols on the huge mountains of antarctica that was eventually traced to old gods that lay sleeping under the continent. At the mountains of madness was rejected upon first publication, this is represented by the giant letter X (indicating rejection) over the cryptic symbols that might be a P a 9 a 1 a 7 or whatever.
Although antarctica seems like it has been frozen forever, there has been data indicating there is water flow under the shelves of ice. This is indicated by the bolded line of the X “flowing” between two light rectangles (ice shelves)
Most theories indicate that Antarctica used to be temperate and teeming with life. This is the kanji symbol for life:
http://kanji-symbol.net/common/images/t … 01-kai.gif
Note how it has the telltale P, and the pointed “roof” outined by the botton of the X. The X over the top of it indicates how there is no longer life there (When preiss discovered it, this was before the discovery of Vostok lake and the subsequent theories it contains frozen proof of life)
Antarctica’s ice shelves are located on the 80th parallel. Notice how the “shelves” above and below the X are parallel.
The Canada connection might seem like a red herring for a dig site in Antarctica. But there is a huge glacier supplying water to Antarctic lakes called the Canada glacier.
The real key is in linking the flower in Image 9 to the pX7 in image nine, which I believe I am the first to do:

Absolutely LOVE what you did here.
With the help of the internet, just about anything can be connected to these hunts if the searcher tries hard enough.
The common theme seems to be, I reject your reality and substitute my own, here is the evidence to prove it.

The big flower looks like it could be a lot of things. I think if it as a tree stump, having seen many similarities of the generic kind. I thought it tied closely in “feel” to the lumbermans arch in Stanley Park. Maltedfalcon and I had a back and forth on the comparison years ago and it was inconclusive after he highlighted several disimilarities by a trace overlay to the sample picture I provided.
I discovered later there are actually 3 candidates to consider. I would like to have a closer look at the two other stump ends on the supporting log beneath the middle of the long portion.
As for the numeric highlight refered to as a “76”, I think its a variable item. It also looks like letters “V” and “o”, combined to look like a music note. It’s difficult to say exactly, which is why we only have subjective claims.
Example:

the flower more likely represents dawson college…with the (upside down) hoof/leg representing Olympic Stadium.
I like the P 10 X 7 reading.
but I don’t see the logic behind the stadium being the flower.

also this puzzle is September, so the # is 9. this is reinforced by the fact that the one clue in the verse tells you you must do the puzzle at night. (to see the lights lighting up the dome).

the stade would better fit a daisy or something. note the middle of the flower is not a circle, but like the hymen and stamen and shit…or another flower even.

MrBackstop

My interpretation of the Flower is this:
The flower itself represents Olympic Stadium

Hey, can you post whatever pic of the stadium you are using for this comparison, please? I’m finding it hard to visualize based on what GIS is giving me, this would help me understand.

lost

possible link to
Leg Eater
Lxd = la baie (x) d’hudson 1670 in the flower

https://www.google.ca/maps/uv?hl=en&pb= … oioI4QEwFg

Unknown

Unknown:
The common theme seems to be, I reject your reality and substitute my own

But it’s not reality that is being rejected, it’s opinion. Drunknerd’s little thought experiment (Bravo btw) should make that clear to anyone who is willing and able to make the distinction.

Euhirudinea

Antartica. Go.

The X is representative of the U.S.’ first foray into the antarctic, which was named the Exploring Expedition. It’s nickname? The “Ex Ex”
The most exciting story of Antartica is the race to plant the flag in the south pole. The “P” looks way more like a flag than a P
The flag represents P for “pole.” Note how it appears shadowed, especially compared to the 7, indicating it is the lower, Southern Pole.
The first person to speculate there was a continent on the bottom of the earth was Ptolemy. Take the flag as a P, rotate the cross 45 degrees, and you have a T. Pt for Ptolemy.
Antartica was discovered in 1917. Take the P and flip it, you get a 9. The 7 next to the bottom right of the X looks like a 17. The quarter of the X right next to the “flag” is the other 1. 1917.
James cook’s major expedition occured in 1773 and 1774. The flag flipped is a 4, the bottom right corner of the 1 is a 1. And there are so many 7s that can be found in the image
The bolded line of the X represents the Trans Antarctic Mountains, the pronounced range that splits the continent and is positioned in the exact same orientation as the aforementioned bolded line
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transantarctic_Mountains
Preiss was a publisher, one of the most famous stories about Antarctica (actually the most famous story I can remember by far), was “at the mountains of madness” by Lovecraft. It detailed a cryptic bunch of symbols on the huge mountains of antarctica that was eventually traced to old gods that lay sleeping under the continent. At the mountains of madness was rejected upon first publication, this is represented by the giant letter X (indicating rejection) over the cryptic symbols that might be a P a 9 a 1 a 7 or whatever.
Although antarctica seems like it has been frozen forever, there has been data indicating there is water flow under the shelves of ice. This is indicated by the bolded line of the X “flowing” between two light rectangles (ice shelves)
Most theories indicate that Antarctica used to be temperate and teeming with life. This is the kanji symbol for life:
http://kanji-symbol.net/common/images/t … 01-kai.gif
Note how it has the telltale P, and the pointed “roof” outined by the botton of the X. The X over the top of it indicates how there is no longer life there (When preiss discovered it, this was before the discovery of Vostok lake and the subsequent theories it contains frozen proof of life)
Antarctica’s ice shelves are located on the 80th parallel. Notice how the “shelves” above and below the X are parallel.
The Canada connection might seem like a red herring for a dig site in Antarctica. But there is a huge glacier supplying water to Antarctic lakes called the Canada glacier.
The real key is in linking the flower in Image 9 to the pX7 in image nine, which I believe I am the first to do:

Came across this Art Deco poster on the Montreal Museum of Fine Arts website. Lot of connections here.
Beaver Hall Hill = The Artist Group I mentioned in my proposed solve.
Also, the Architects Building was designed and occupied by Ross and McDonald.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architect … _(Montreal
)
McDonald name swap with John McDonald the First Prime Minister of Canada, who the Gnome is modeled after.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A._Macdonald
There is some reasonable logic to tie the image to Rembrandt, and there was a Rembrandt stolen from the Art Museum in Montreal, the same one that displays works of art from the Beaver Hall Hill group, famous for their wind swept images.
I got all that from that blimp image. Yup. They are leading us on this path, although I believe that the path is just the walking tour to collect info. I took a few minutes to map some of the buildings that Ross and McDonald were responsible for in Montreal and guess what, you can start right at 2-22 Ste. Catherine, and hit several locations on your way to the MSC. Boom, boom, boom. It’s like a breadcrumb trail.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_and_Macdonald
The real challenge is figuring out the dig site, after taking the Tour du Montreal.

Came across this Art Deco poster on the Montreal Museum of Fine Arts website. Lot of connections here.
Beaver Hall Hill = The Artist Group I mentioned in my proposed solve.
Also, the Architects Building was designed and occupied by Ross and McDonald.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Architect
… _(Montreal
)
McDonald name swap with John McDonald the First Prime Minister of Canada, who the Gnome is modeled after.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A._Macdonald
There is some reasonable logic to tie the image to Rembrandt, and there was a Rembrandt stolen from the Art Museum in Montreal, the same one that displays works of art from the Beaver Hall Hill group, famous for their wind swept images.
I got all that from that blimp image. Yup. They are leading us on this path, although I believe that the path is just the walking tour to collect info. I took a few minutes to map some of the buildings that Ross and McDonald were responsible for in Montreal and guess what, you can start right at 2-22 Ste. Catherine, and hit several locations on your way to the MSC. Boom, boom, boom. It’s like a breadcrumb trail.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_and_Macdonald
The real challenge is figuring out the dig site, after taking the Tour du Montreal.

what did they build at 2-22? cause that building was built in 2010-11. historically, before that it was an old shoe store and vacant lot for a while.

as far as I know it was even referred to as 2-22 (because it takes up the area from 2 to 22 St Catherine) until after that building was built.

Thanks, Wilhouse!  It sounds intense.  I’ll have to look into it.  Radar would be quite useful, especially to save some digging.  I’m not in the best shape, and I fear five minutes with a shovel.
Perhaps one of those Iraq-war bunker-busters would be useful as well.

Rest easy, Fox…
As far as I am concerned,Montreal is still on top of the search list.
BP did say that Canada is a definite “yes” for a casque…right?
Mount Stephen Club’s legeater is a solid, concrete, definite perfect
match to image 9….with parks within walking distance.
AP

I’M back!!!
And I am not even going to begin to discuss the legeater
.
While it is good to discuss possible alternatives I still think this image goes to STL. I will be writeing the Missourie Historical Society again soon. What I am about to write is what to me is the most likely interpritation.
To start with the the checkardboard pateren. The dominent amount of this in the image is a key clue. If I rember correctly one of you said that this identical pateren was at that time just outside of the entrance to Forest Park. It is likely that the entrance closest to that pateren was the closest entrance to the casque’s location. I think the outline of the eastren border of MO is on the right side of the hat. I think the arch is hidden near the eye. The half smile half frown of the mouth likely makes reference to an outdoor theater makeing it look like verse 6 may match. I agree with you that the Black Colar is the Old Courthouse upsidedown. Now the key here is to turn the image upsidedown. Some of you think and I partly agree with you that the jewel box is hidden in the chest area of the image. This may be true but I feal strongly that the checkarboard area on the chest area are the arms extended bar that binds and I think this is what ties the image to verse 6. I will analyse the verse soon. The flower and what looks like a golf flag are likely correct interpritations. Both of which are likely indicaters of the 10th month.
I am not sure  what the thing that looks like a backward musicnote. It could be a STL Blues logo with the flag turned backward similer to the upsidedown chicago bulls logo. You all have showen me side by sides of the backward musicnote and STL Blues logo and I agree it does not look that similer.
The their’s the legeater
I am not going to get into that here but my guess is that it is a clue to the World’s Fair.
That brings us to the hands. I would say they are one of three things In the order of likelyhood I think they are: the World’s Fair Pavillion, The Pagoda Circle or The Muney Theater.
I will analyse the verse soon. It will take the MO Historical Society to confirm all of this. If it all works out and we find the casque We should let them have it if they want for all the help they have given us.
It looks like alot of us are close to STL. If we get something more concrete maybe we can all get together at the park and dig sometime.

editing and proofreading, must not be important in the digital/virtual world lol
anyway 2 legeater in montreal, i see 2 for sure, and maybe 2 more far right where people are
so that is a pos 6, that sure throws a twist on things,could one be/had been in the lower 48
and a whole dif foundry in a dif counrty
lg mount stephen
http://postmediamontreal.files.wordpres … tephen.jpg
did mount stephen close
http://blogs.montrealgazette.com/2011/1 … stephen-3/
garden Giardino Garibaldi, maybe 4 legeater
http://kateludlow.files.wordpress.com/2 … g_5557.jpg
http://kateludlow.wordpress.com/2010/08 … les-fence/

Our man on the scene…
Hope you do locate it…the suspense is killing us!

Fenix,
Once you find this thing…..take a picture of it perpendicular to it with the face looking to the right.  Orient it just as P9 has it and see if anything similar to the blob happens to be behind it.  The pic that Ravel posted was almost the right angle but not quite.
Good luck on your tour.  Be sure to take shots of any and all innocuous things about the area as well.  You never know where we may find another confirmer.

mm2587 and Wilhouse–Thanks!  These are useful ideas, and I will jump to them this week.  I will be running around that course with a shovel, hunting gophers (OK, a weak Caddy Shack joke).  But seriously, I will investigate these ideas.
And, by the way, I may have found the “namesakes meeting near this site” (although this info belongs on the verse 2 thread).  Nearby is Carr Dr. where cars would drive of course.  This would be a pathetic joke, but I suppose we can expect anything on this hunt.

MAD, to comment on your verse 2 breakdown, it looks like you have good ideas where you make associations that may well work if thats the right image-verse fit.  Once you go all-in and tie things together, it might look like you have a solve like Chicago or Cleveland.  My issue with that method is it assumes what we know about previous solves is true in its application and also that Preiss used that specific framework in the other locations.  I think he designed each destination according to what opportunities were provided and he evolved his process to include some variety.

In the spirit of creating even more confusion…….has anyone ever considered Montreal Wisconsin?

Spiritr

you’re right, there are so many questions to ask, and you never know if you don’t ask….
to the people who knew exactly where the dig site is, I’m sure you know what these are, would you kindly name these out for us?
,

Certainly, the Bigfoot profile is in reference to Leif Erikson. He is the first person to document sightings of Big hairy creatures walking around on 2 legs. Erikson landed in North America some 500 years before Columbus and actually wrote down his experiences of seeing these creatures in the New World.
The gold and black checkerboard patterns are all over Montreal but this one has to do with Station Viau located at Olympic Park. Inside is an art mural called Opus 74. The roof of Station Viau has a black and gold window pane designs that allow natural light to come into the building.
http://www.metrodemontreal.com/art/mousseau/opus74.jpg

MERLIN

In the spirit of creating even more confusion…….has anyone ever considered Montreal Wisconsin?

Interesting question….I have not since my solve is in Olympic Park.
What do you like about Montreal, Wisconsin Merlin? Have you found some good clues and matches there?

Unknown

Unknown:
In the spirit of creating even more confusion…….has anyone ever considered Montreal Wisconsin?

With all due respect Merlin, the only people that question is going to confuse are the ones who don’t have even the most basic understanding of how this puzzle works. The rest of us are busy looking for hidden clues in a translation of a translation. Fun stuff.
Welcome to the fun house.

Spiritr

No, I think it’s better if you focus on the image first, until you know what these are, don’t just tell me what it looks like, find it, match it, it’s an EXACT match, just overlay the image onto it, keep this in mind , practice walking before you run, until you know how to walk, don’t even think about running.

I don’t believe the exercise here is to overlay the entire map of Montreal on the image. To me it is a pretty clear match that to the road. Again, it is not a big clue we’re talking about here, just possibly a nudge to stay in the Mount Royal area.
As a more general point, in my short experience with this group, the value comes from the exchange of ideas of what we think things look like in the images and what we think the verses allude to. This is a process of speculation and open exchange of ideas.

I’m sorry I apologized, I’ll have it remove, you are right, I was wrong. Thanks for pointing it out, how grateful it was to have someone like you with such bright vision on board, welcome.
if you see anything I posted doesn’t fit your solution please inform me I’ll remove it right away.

MERLIN

In the spirit of creating even more confusion…….has anyone ever considered Montreal Wisconsin?

I haven’t.
But, since I’m not one of the enlightened few who ‘know’ with all certainty how the puzzles work, I also haven’t considered Charleston, Arizona…..Charleston, Alaska…..Charleston, California…..Charleston, Illinois…..Charleston, Iowa….Kansas, Kentucky, Maine or West Virginia….for Image 2.
Instead, like a lemming, I jumped straight to Charleston, South Carolina.

Unknown

Unknown:
Instead, like a lemming, I jumped straight to Charleston, South Carolina.

I don’t suppose the map of Charleston, South Carolina in Image 2 had anything to do with your leap?

MrBackstop

What do you like about Montreal, Wisconsin Merlin? Have you found some good clues and matches there?

For all we know Merlin may have found “a map” in the image that points to his inquiry of Montreal Wisconsin. I think that is the point being made and why the question was asked what clues/matches have you found.

Unknown

Unknown:
For all we know Merlin may have found “a map”

Have you looked at a map of Montreal, Wisconsin? And before you answer, please consider why we think it’s in Montreal, Canada in the first place. Hint: it’s not a map.
Tag.

Euhirudinea

I don’t suppose the map of Charleston, South Carolina in Image 2 had anything to do with your leap?

/me scratches his head
Hmmmm……now that I think about it….it might have.
And, my response regarding a bunch of obscure Charleston locations (that the world doesn’t know exist), didn’t contain an iota of light-hearted sarcasm. (Then again….it might have…)
;-]
Two interesting things about Montreal, WI: While it doesn’t seem to contain a downtown area or business district, it *does* have at least one park. Google Earth shows that entire park as being exactly 3′ x 3′. Perfect size for a casque.
Now, if I can just find a major highway leading there
or
a nearby airport, I
might
go there to take a look.

No I haven’t looked at a map of Montreal WI. Was that even what made Merlin bring up this location? until Merlin responds with any of his findings why would I?
Or was he just “putting this idea” out there so others can ‘explore and discover the connections for themselves’ to expand their understanding of the hunt and how they connect the puzzles. So in the spirit of vague inferences from, the slow burn thread, I can make an extreme jump and assume that their a second casque hidden in Wisconsin because of course we know that ‘fairy secrets come in twos.’ So that must be the answer because some of us know better and we just trying to educate the rest of you. Who do I sound like now?

Unknown

Unknown:
light-hearted sarcasm

No worries EZ, I can usually tell the difference between sarcasm and snark. My response was to the latter. It’s all good.
BTW, casque of no, Northern Wisconsin is lovely. I highly recommend it.
Peace

jayheedan1

No I haven’t looked at a map of Montreal WI. Was that even what made Merlin bring up this location? until Merlin responds with any of his findings why would I?
Or was he just “putting this idea” out there so others can ‘explore and discover the connections for themselves’ to expand their understanding of the hunt and how they connect the puzzles. So in the spirit of vague inferences from, the slow burn thread, I can make an extreme jump and assume that their a second casque hidden in Wisconsin because of course we know that ‘fairy secrets come in twos.’ So that must be the answer because some of us know better and we just trying to educate the rest of you. Who do I sound like now?

I’ll play.
You sound like…..Rasputin…? (Imho)
Hey….Google just showed me this, on “Michigan” Ave in Montreal, WI (connection to Lake Michigan and image 10 or image 5, too?):
Oh, wait. That’s in Quebec. Nevermind.

Euhirudinea

BTW, casque of no, Northern Wisconsin is lovely. I highly recommend it.
Peace

Absolutely.
Door county, too. It’s stunning in the fall and easier to get to.

Unknown

Unknown:
I’ll play.

Excellent. I’m sure you two can work it out. If you run into trouble, you might want to check out the “Slow Spill” thread for hints.
Have an excellent day.

Euhirudinea

Excellent. I’m sure you two can work it out. If you run into trouble, you might want to check out the “Slow Spill” thread for hints.
Have an excellent day.

lol

johann

Alongside Forest Park, on Lindell Blvd., there is a row of beautiful old homes.  Perhaps one of them has a leg-eater banister.

Johann,  I’m headed there  on Tues. This area is called Gaslamp Square .  Hopefully I’ll find the Legeater Gaslamp . Carol

Fox,
Wonder where it was moved to . I’m checking out the  Cabanne house . It sits near Lindell blvd and the  gaslight square . Hopefully Monday or Tues.  I know the Museum is closed on Mon. Any other spots anyone would like checked out before i go let me know . Carol

Fox – I was able to find several pictures of these lamps online. Here are two. The bases appear to be the same as those in your photo, but the bulb has changed sizes.

well, here is an old picture of the SL City Art Museum (early 1900’s).  There is a lamppost out front which obviously has “legs” of some sort but it is hard to tell if they are legeaters.

someone mentioned that the music note looking thing, was stl hockey i googled hockey
for montreal and found this on the 4-5th search pg. i think team was around till mid 70s,
maybe there logo was still somewhere where bp could see it. click on years in link to see the logos
maybe this is the aces is high
Quebec Aces
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/logos/teams/q.html

The Aces were based in Quebec city, not Montreal and were disbanded by 1971. It’s extremely unlikely that there would have been a logo anywhere visible near Mont-Royal in 1981, ten years after the team was gone.

must have missed read i thought i read something about montreal and aces here, cant find pg now
http://www.azhockey.com/
how about a bar in boston  lol
Ace’s High
551 Dorchester Ave, Boston, MA – (617) 269-7637‎

It’s all the same to me since I don’t have a strong background in history.  Im in no way suggesting knowledge of these folks is important to locating a casque.  The attempt to reveal an underlying theme to it all is a side-approach.  Whatever you really need to know to complete the final steps is (was) bound to be available on site.
The coolest thing about some of the theories others have discussed indicates that there are signs, plaques, pedestal maps, and statues at the sites that have these obscure details.  It’s hilarious that when someone spouts a claim that the FOY or Roanoke have these indicators then it’s a “solid” theory worth discussing but when I share the same proofs, a plaque, a pedestal map, a tourist pamphlet quote, things that are easily discoverable at the site then you decide the obscurity of the knowledge is so important in deciding which view deserves focus.
These details are becoming more important in my view as we continue to pry at the majority of the remaining casques.  I read the speech and dedication on the Harding memorial (lucky to find a picture with good enough resolution) and it seems to resonate with the verse.  It says it’s engraved in granite by Kiwanis.  I’m not convinced of anything absolute, but I can’t deny granite is one of the most “hard” substances and Kiwanis is a Native Indian reference.  After reading this, you can turn to your right and see a giant grey amphitheater structure (only its been refurbished since and has a big green semicircular face and front door).  A picture from the area shows some seating areas under a small area that uses large checkerboard tiles similar to image 9’s hat or robe.   Across the path to the east are some Native Indian totem poles.  Lots still to be worked out here, just getting started since finding relatable considerations: hard words, natives speaking, native signs at a path, black/ivory checkered tile, large grey outdoor theater.
Check this link, scroll down till you see the giant checkerboards,
http://www.leespage.ca/h/ar/art.html
Afterthought.  I’m really not interested in having a beef or injecting petty rhetorical tones in the discussion.  Clearly there is nothing wrong with making statements or claims.  We can argue anything we want and it helps to make a position or basis known.  Is the obscurity of a reference something that just applies when I’m hanging a theory in these forums or is there some deeper awareness or level of certainty that condemns or dismisses my ideas?  My guess is it’s to do with my being a newer presence here and for lack of reading the book.  I’m doing my best to internalize past explorations described in the forums, and I don’t intend to read the book unless someone proves they are required (were they necessary to find Grant Park or Cleveland? Is that where you are coming from, BigMatty?), though I am purchasing the book for other clarifications.

Could it possibly be that the man’s hands overlapping fingers gesturing upward is analogous to a clock’s hands, when both together pointing up indicates “12”?
This could be what works with verse 10 “twice as many east steps as the hour,” for 24 steps.
In that article I cited by Lee A. Wood, there’s some great stuff about the Pipe company donating a set of pipe cut galvanized wire wrapped checkers pieces that you can ask the park to use (they are kept in a locked closet and nobody has asked to use them for almost 30 years).  I like the parallel that checkers are just like hockey pucks.  Now I’m looking at a trifecta of ideas: Shakespear’s Puck character, Stanley Cup’s hockey puck, and the puck as a giant draught piece.

erexere

So, what makes Grant or Cleveland (the person) less obscure than Lord Stanley or Florence Nightengale?  Is Shakespeare on the List?

You didn’t have to know anything about Ulysses S. Grant or Grover Cleveland to find the casque.  Grant Park could have been named Oogiboogie Park and the Land of Cleve could have been named Phineas-Wallbangertown, and it wouldn’t have affected the image or verse, or the solution.
Same can’t be said for, say, the Houston solution — because there’s a Herman Melville reference in the verse, and the casque is/was in Hermann Park.  (I know, not the same spelling, but no, it didn’t matter.)

The tall giant is most likely a statue. There are planty of them in Forest Park and the slinder path is likely some sort of walking path. These two things make it sound like Forest Park. In a few weeks I may send this to the St. Louis Parks Department to see what they think.

You’re funny boogie…
and Trohn….

You have to show more than that.  This is much better.  Paths and statues are everywhere.  Only one Narrows.
In the shadow——— of the WTC
Of the grey giant——-observation deck Tower Two
Find the arm that——Verrazano Bridge
Extends over the slender path——Narrows Inlet

Ok, I dont want to reach, but I am going to.  In the days of kings and queens, is it not true that they would build many palaces?  I cant find any written references to this, but it just jumps out of my memory that this was somewhat common and the name of the route linking the palaces was… The Kings Highway.  So lets argue that ‘Kingshighway’ happens to be a major road in STL that ‘meets’ another major road called ‘Vandeventer’.   And lets just say for a moment that these roads meet about 2 miles or less from the Jewel Box location.  Lets also say that one could call these roads ‘Namesakes’.  You diggin me here?

(Post moved to V2…)

When you Google on  “Montreal P7”..it comes up with
unexplained results…Is it a parking designation or an HIV therapy?

forest_blight

Les 3 Brasseurs is a French chain that got its start in the late 1980s — too late for us.

Only three stand watch
Darn it…(thanks Forest)
I was also considering the
“Three Bares” fountain
outside the nearby
Redpath Museum
.
This overview shows the legeater, the station, the Eaton’s checkered design, and the statue.
Montreal was originally called Ville Marie (City of Mary), which links to the Dutchman’s Marigold (Mary’s Gold). Place Ville-Marie, just to the right of Eaton’s / Ruelle Palace on the above map, has these five steps leading to it which could be the five steps of the jagged collar. The lamps could be the design at the centre of the flower.
Two lamps, left and right. Flower on the left which looks like a lamp. Legeater on the right, which is also a lamp…
(Take five steps…lit by lamplight…seems strangely familiar somehow.)
Place Ville Marie
known as “
PVM
” is noted for its skyscraper in the shape of a cross, “Royal Bank Tower”.

Hello all,
I am a Montrealer currently living in the Golden Square Mile and have recently stumbled upon this quest. Just checking in to see if anyone else is still on the hunt!
Cheers

I think we have a good lead to consider the X shape and it’s runes.
The X could be a viking rune also, a “G”. The two smaller runes that I’ve thought of as a “P” and “J” look most like the runes which translate into “W/V” and the “L”. What could this be? West Lincoln? Victoria Lane…?
My thoughts on the X is it’s symbolic of St. Andrews’ cross or SALTIRE which may be associated with many things, like the flag of Scotland or even the Russian Navy ensign. I prefer to think it helps support the Lowland Gnomes, since the painting includes their opal. This may just corroborate the recent consideration that Hard word in 3 vol. Is actually the three George Anderson Lawson (from Edinburgh) sculptures of Rabbie Burns in Halifax, Montreal, and Vancouver BC. Is the word Hard capitalized because the H is for Halifax? I wonder if there’s a legeater to be found there near Victoria Park.

Do we know what was across the street from MSC in 1980? I’m wondering if we are supposed to stand where the legeater is slightly to the left of the fleur de lis, which would put the X’s and brick pattern on the building to the right of MSC kind of right in front of us. Line those up and where would we be standing? Tell me it was a patch of grass in 1980.
The legeater plus fleur de lis have me tunneling that specific block. Why put two arbitrary markers on one building if it’s not near the dig site? Also the X and brickwork on the building next to MSC are a solid match for the X and the collar in the image. That’s a lot of signs. If we weren’t supposed to go recklessly digging up the MSC, we were supposed to do something right in that immediate area.

drunknerds

Do we know what was across the street from MSC in 1980? I’m wondering if we are supposed to stand where the legeater is slightly to the left of the fleur de lis, which would put the X’s and brick pattern on the building to the right of MSC kind of right in front of us. Line those up and where would we be standing? Tell me it was a patch of grass in 1980.
The legeater plus fleur de lis have me tunneling that specific block. Why put two arbitrary markers on one building if it’s not near the dig site? Also the X and brickwork on the building next to MSC are a solid match for the X and the collar in the image. That’s a lot of signs. If we weren’t supposed to go recklessly digging up the MSC, we were supposed to do something right in that immediate area.

Might be tough to find out, but I would start by looking at MSC photos from that time period. Or just Drummond Street. The YMCA is across the street and maybe the history of that can be researched. There may have been a playground area next to it.
This image of MSC looks to be around late 60s to early 70s.
http://www.memorablemontreal.com/docume … 68-001.jpg

I like that people on here keep investigating and questioning. While searching for info for drunknerds, I just came across a solid hit connecting The Beaver Hall Hill artist group with Mount Stephen Club. Please go back and read my potential solve if you need to catch up.
https://books.google.com/books?id=DI4pD … 80&f=false
Link to solve for Montreal:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pxtaaq0wr0zyz … 3.pdf?dl=0

My thoughts on MSC is it’s a loose lead. It’s a perfect match but not necessarily unique to MSC. Ravel07 was just really lucky to find the legeater. He wasn’t following the verse to any high degree to be focused in on the MSC. I think that hitch in the process just makes the site suspicious and it’s premature to assume even with the fleurdelis that the casque has to be nearby.
Avoid random searching and get back to basics.

erexere

My thoughts on MSC is it’s a loose lead. It’s a perfect match but not necessarily unique to MSC. Ravel07 was just really lucky to find the legeater. He wasn’t following the verse to any high degree to be focused in on the MSC. I think that hitch in the process just makes the site suspicious and it’s premature to assume even with the fleurdelis that the casque has to be nearby.

See my post above yours. Also, George Stephen is what ties the entire puzzle together. He and his house are the central hub of this.