Thanks guys…looks like it is now time to sit back and wait until I hear from the CAC.
Where now tho…
Would our legeater be “the thing” in the P to get us to Montreal or is it one of those things on the path to the casque?

I explored some of the visuals to this in my previous cask 9 posts.  Siwash Rock looks like the collar outline.  I haven’t found an exact match, but the lines inside the collar area that outline his neck look like they fit the main road pipeline and the small part that branches into the parking lot on the way to the Miniature railway.  His hands are together and may be indicating prayer.  The Trail and Shore book of poems and history on Stanley Park describes the custom of “the morning’s sermon” as the reference for playing checkers on Sundays since the park had a rule allowing no other games to be played on Sundays.  He has three distinct checkered areas on his robe and there are exactly three giant checkerboards.  His shoulders fit the perspective of looking at the shelter above the checkerboards and bleachers as seen from the roadway.  I’d call that a 99% match.  I’m currently feeling sure of the Stanley Park location but I have to say I can’t see where exactly to stand and which direction to count steps to the spot.  I’m confused on whether “east steps” are different than “steps east”, since in a different context, such as when talking about wind direction, an “east wind” is actually blowing in west.
Verse 10:
It looks like Preiss simply found a way to put as many tourist markers from the map into his image and verse.  I scanned my 1976 map of Stanley Park, not much has changed, except I don’t think current maps mention the checkerboards(
http://s11.photobucket.com/user/erexere/media/1976MapSP.jpg.html
).
In the shadow
In the shadows
, poem by
Pauline Johnson
, Native Indian poet whom has the only gravestone in Stanley Park.
Of the grey giant
The Hollow Tree
, distinctive for being the oldest and biggest tree, although it’s a mere shadow of it’s former self.
Find the arm that
Extends over the slender path
Lumberman’s Arch
, a section of tree extends over a path smaller than the main path which circles around Stanley Park.
In summer
You’ll often hear a whirring sound
Miniature Train
, operates only in the summer and goes “around in circles”.
Cars abound
Although the sign
Nearby
Speaks of Indies native
The natives still speak
Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.
Harding Monument
, a president’s speech is honored by Kiwanis (native named organization: “[Harding] spoke words that are worthy of record in lasting granite.” (see page 73 for full quote)
Take twice as many east steps as the hour
Or more
Nine O’Clock Gun
, = 18 steps+
From the middle of one branch
Of the v
Look down
And see simple roots
In rhapsodic man’s soil
Checkerboards
, checkerboards (one in the center with two branching off at angles forming a V).  The pieces for these boards are kept in a nearby storage closet and were made from cross sections of old-fashioned irrigation pipe made of wood, and filled with resin.  Like roots are for bringing water and nutrients from the soil to feed plantlife, these pieces were repurposed from pipes used to move water.
Or gaze north
Toward the isle of B.
Girl in Wetsuit
Gaze at bronze statue on a small isle of rock to the north of Stanley Park.  Unveiled in 1972, she was inspired by the famous
Dutch
Copenhagen mermaid and commissioned by Douglas
Brown
.  In the Chicago example, the first letter hints were attached to minor elements of the landscape, Mozart and Beethoven etched into a wall, and Lincoln’s statue.  The Girl in Wetsuit (Bikini) is similar to the Chicago setup.
I’m hoping the odd shaped portion of the hands is a fit to the spot.  Turn the page upside down.  There’s a slanted wall along the bleachers that kind of fits.

I’m glad you were just joking and we are treasure buddies.  I’d hate to be on the wrong side of a fellow treasure hunter, especially since most of us carry shovels.  My family would have to follow clues for 25 years before they’d find me.

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Image 8 is definately Houston because Reunion Tower is in the image
I live in the Dallas area and Reunion tower is here, not in Houston (roughly 220 miles away).  I believe that Image 8 goes with Houston, but for other reasons (see Wilhouse’s numerous posts).  Sorry to pick this nit, but I think I’ve seen this same mistake before, maybe on the Secret Wiki site?
Yup.  no matter how tight we try to keep the forum, something always gets mixed up.  Inevitable?
Scotty, in general, what about the dog leg in image9 clues you into the 1904 World’s fair in St Louis?
searching dogtown :
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=n … own+st+lou
found this site in the search, wow! dogtown it is,Bob Corbett is the man
http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/dogtow … html#links
looked at a couple of links, cant make date out on the pics here, 1966/76
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/s … splate.htm
this man Bob Corbett, is the local historian on dogtown
http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/dogtow … patch.html
will move this to p-9 also
forgot to mention this seems to dump my therory on v-2, oh well nothing like starting over
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Johann:
ttp://stlouis.missouri.org/government/docs/forestpark/pagoda.htm
(sigh…)

Pagoda Circle, Forest Park, today
Did the Pagoda really look like this in years past??
What a difference!
AP

I think the one on the top was there well before the publishing of the secret.
It looks like the Missouri Historical Society is helping us. They wrote on June 20th. I just now discovered it. I do not check my E-mail that often because I usually do not get anything of significance.

forest_blight

An interesting sequence of events
1981
. J. J. Palencar paints a weirdo animal eating a hoof
Aug. 11, 2006
. ravel07 finds this guy hanging out at 1440 Drummond St., Montreal:
Aug. 12, 2006
. fox says “Lets research this thing to death.” FB says “Okay!!”
August, 2006 – March, 2007
. FB researches this thing to death. Many letters were written to vintage decorative iron dealers and lighting specialists describing the situation with enough detail to intrigue, yet not enough to spill all the beans. These letters are accompanied with full-color photographs of the lamps at Mount Stephen Club. A couple bear fruit.
March 30, 2007
. Wayne Fuller of Robinson Iron Corp, Alexander City, AL writes:
“The post shown in your pictures contains a portion of ornamental detail from
a J. W. Fiske Lamppost No. 470 C. in a historic catalog in our collection.
Fiske had showrooms in New York, Philadelphia and Washington, DC. The three
hooved/paws motif can often be found on posts of the period but as to their
meaning I am sorry to say I do not know. Perhaps you might consult The
Library of Congress or The Smithsonian Institute to find out more. Good Luck
in your pursuit.”
Accompanying his message is this little gem:
…which matches the middle section of our lamp perfectly, as you can see (but
not
the base or the upper half). I guess the bottom wasn’t ornate enough for Lord Mount Stephen. The base was either replaced with another part on-site, or else ordered from a newer catalog.
Finally having something to go on, FB roots up information on J. W. Fiske. Three sources present themselves: (1) 19th-century Fiske catalogs in the Library of Congress and elsewhere, (2) An article by Barbara Israel (
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1026/is_3_157/ai_60370500
) that is very much worth reading, and, mentioned in that article, (3)
a living descendant of J. W. Fiske who happens to have, in his possession, sales records for the company.
.
April, 2007
. Jubilant now, FB seeks said catalogs through interlibrary loans. He also writes Barbara Israel for more information. Armed with serial numbers or catalog numbers for specific items (like, hopefully, our ornate lamp base), he will approach Mr. Fiske himself and figure out who else – hopefully someone in St. Louis – ordered one of these things.
That’s an update. My search is active and ongoing, and I’ll post more here before too long, I hope.

cw0909,
Forest Blight did research on the lamppost and came up with this:

If I get an opportunity, I will try to do that, bclews – thanks for the offer.
cw0909 – elsewhere in this forum I detail my search for the company that manufactured the lamp. Please see my posts in April/May, 2007 in the Image 9 thread. The next step, as I see it, is to find someone here willing to spend a few hours at one of these three libraries:
The Library of Congress (Washington, DC)
Winterthur Museum (Winterthur, DE)
The Athenaeum (Philadelphia, PA)
The lamps in front of the Mount Stephen Club are about as old as the house, built in the 1880s.

I am going to suggest an application of Occam’s Razor here.
The Simplest solution is the best….
a -There is a casque in Canada
b-There is a picture of the leg of a lamp located in canada in Image 9…
c- while the lamp’s manufacturer is known, the base seems custom made and unique.
d – no one else recognizes this lamp as a local landmark
a+b+c+ d = image 9 is the Canadian image…, montreal is the Canadian City…
It would be so like BP to mean St Louis Park when saying there was a casque in St. Louis….
He liked red herrings like that, (Lincoln and Congress, almost had to mean Washington D.C. didnt it?)

I have always thought that P9 was our Canadian pic…and the legeatear find narrowed it down to Montreal…but, Sq St Louis sure is small compared to the parks in Cleveland & Chicago where casques were found as well as many of our other fairly concrete locations.  There just doesnt seem to be to much in SSL let alone a nice fountain

xlurker, in the article about ice palace hotel that animal painter mentioned for verse 2, it mentioned the stone walls of old montreal.

hi catherwood link to story
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Wv … cd=1&gl=us
nice offer, dont go out of way though, unless your wondering how many legeaters, are about too.
maybe you could get a copy of  list from council, and only if you happen, to be there for
some reason.

cw0909

maybe there is another legeater here,  Atherton,California. i ran across this about fiske lamposts, anyone near there to look see close to sf

I didn’t click thru to read what you’ve found, but I’m close enough to Atherton to go investigate something — only if you give me a specific address.  I don’t want to wander the city looking for random ironworks to catch my attention.  (I have a fondness for Atherton because of my first train ride up the peninsula, listening to the announcements of the stops as we came to each city, and the loudspeaker voice drew out the first syllable with a very nasal “Aaaaatherton, next stop Aaaaatherton”, it sticks in my memory)

Deuce

Just throwing this out there for interpretation…
Turn the image 90 degrees left. Notice the big number ‘3’ in the center. Anyone’s research yield a three reference anywhere?

It just hit me. “him of Hard word in three Vol.”
There is a rock in Montreal with a plaque or “sign” called Hochelaga rock. It references Jacques Cartier and his contact with the Iroquois indians. Jacques made 3 trips to North America.

People are making some bizarre leaps of logic recently.
Three volumes are not three trips.
December is not Highway 12.
These are the kind of random two-hop connections that have oft been criticised in others.

WhiteRabbit

People are making some bizarre leaps of logic recently.
Three volumes are not three trips.
December is not Highway 12.
These are the kind of random two-hop connections that have oft been criticised in others.

Ill admit the 3 Vol is not straight forward but I thought a majority agreed highway 12 was “in December”. If not what is it?

rookhunter

I thought a majority agreed highway 12 was “in December”. If not what is it?

Pass two friends of octave
In December
Wright Brothers Day gets my vote.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_Brothers_Day

WhiteRabbit

Pass two friends of octave
In December
Wright Brothers Day gets my vote.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_Brothers_Day

That certainly makes more sense. Sorry Rabbit.

I think this image is definately St. Louis and the Park is almost definately Forest Park. I also think verse 6 goes to this image. I now think that Pagoda Circle is the area in which the casque is burried. I think this because of the outline of the black colar. If you turn the image upside down and look at the outline of the black colar it looks like a pagoda likely the one at pagoda circle.
The hands then are likely a representation of Pagoda Circle the pagoda is on a hill and Trohn said it looked like a church on a hill. What Trohn was likely seeing was a pagoda on a hill.
Now if a fountain that resembles the one we think is in the image next to the dogleg is near this area I think we found the area.
Under any condition it is safe to say this image is St. Louis and the park is Forest Park.
We can also go one step further and say the casque is in one of three areas of the park. In order of likelyhood they are Pagoda Circle, World’s Fair Pavilion and the Jewel Box.
I do not think the Jewel Box at all because then as now it was mostly flower gardens. It is likely the reason it says no casque was burried in a flower garden because of this site. People could have figured it out to the Jewel Box and bug it up inside and out looking for the casque. The Jewel Box would be most peoples first guess.
Soon I will post in verse 6’s thread how I think it goes to this image and I will update my Image to Verse match thread to show the likely matches should Verse 6 be confirmed to this image.

fox

If that is the case….look where it brings us right back to……..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/4562331078/

three stand watch… per verse 2
you might be right… image 7 is a watch (clock) standing (stuck) on three (3 o’clock)
that might be an I/V linking phrase, as opposed to a location identifier. or is it both?
Sorry, I know this isn’t Image 9 related. I am still sold on 9 being Montreal and a casque that could be quite possibly/easily found (in relation to one in, say, New Orleans).

fox

If that is the case….look where it brings us right back to……..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/4562331078/

three stand watch… per verse 2
you might be right… image 7 is a watch (clock) standing (stuck) on three (3 o’clock)
that might be an I/V linking phrase, as opposed to a location identifier. or is it both?
Sorry, I know this isn’t Image 9 related. I am still sold on 9 being Montreal and a casque that could be quite possibly/easily found (in relation to one in, say,
New
Orleans
).

Just another little thing that may come in handy….a map of the park.
http://www.slfp.com/SLFP-FPFEmap.htm

Don’t laugh Trohn, I see  the spires too… and the horse coming around the turn in the foreground… but in my copy of the book, I can’t tell for sure if the silks the jockey is wearing matches the silks on the cover of the book.

adoks53

Don’t laugh Trohn, I see  the spires too… and the horse coming around the turn in the foreground… but in my copy of the book, I can’t tell for sure if the silks the jockey is wearing matches the silks on the cover of the book.

I only laugh because once others come around to my way of seeing this verse and image,
they’ll realize that the grounds and facilities have been renovated and the site lost.
At this point, I am working my way with the other solves so that it turns into
the process of elimination.
If the twenty-one does refer to the letter U (and it then can mean a horse shoe design)
the spot may still be untainted.

Fenix

Ha, come on, your buddy’s stuff is really all over the place. No offense meant, it was just the level of confidence coupled with the random dots across the city that do not connect.

Is this directed at me?
I’d really be interested in seeing you sharing your proposed solutions. If I am correct, you have lived in Montreal for at least 13 years and have been on this board for 15. Surely you have come up with something in all that time.

Fenix

Ha, come on, your buddy’s stuff is really all over the place. No offense meant,

Yes it is, but just because I don’t get half of it. doesn’t make it not valid. He and I and you have found exactly the same number of casques…
He is serious about his ideas and considers other peoples too.
And If I ever happen to find a casque (especially in SF) I will know that without his help it would not have happened.
and no gman we are talking about Erexere

Fenix

Ha, come on, your buddy’s stuff is really all over the place. No offense meant, it was just the level of confidence coupled with the random dots across the city that do not connect.
I have nothing to hate on here. This guy was sharp, he clicked on the image 9 thread and started talking about image 9. I mean, he’s in the wrong city, state, and country but it happens.

Oh, haha I see what happened here: I was actually being serious and making fun of myself, and I think you took it as me making fun of detractors.

maltedfalcon

Yes it is, but just because I don’t get half of it. doesn’t make it not valid. He and I and you have found exactly the same number of casques…
He is serious about his ideas and considers other peoples too.
And If I ever happen to find a casque (especially in SF) I will know that without his help it would not have happened.
and no gman we are talking about Erexere

Gotcha. I can’t say that I’ve never made anyone mad, but here, I’m just trying to help. Maybe something I post might knock something loose for someone.

Fenix

Ha, I was talking about Gman. Don’t get me wrong, I think you are all good guys and I’ve never been mad. Well kind of when Josh was banned. I hated to see him go.(did you see that big ass grin he was wearing in ST.A) I actually see this point as a larger conflict that may lead to me posting more here in the future.
In response to my years on the board, yes, I have been here a while but I’ve solved and contributed nothing. Sorry, I cannot be of any assistance there.
Oh and Erexere does have a brilliant mind.

I’m cool with that, just not in a passive-aggressive way. Say stuff to me. I’ll listen and consider. My point is that you have been very critical without offering any counterpoints or anything. Like I said, my solve may not be correct, but I have admitted mistakes and refined it. Also, short of seeing anything else, in my mind it is the most complete and logical solve I’ve seen. If people have better ideas, please be my guest. This isn’t a competition.

On principle I’ve avoided calling this the Montreal puzzle, because I believe the leg-eater falls in the accidental find category. It seems to me Preiss was aware of and utilized it, but not for the purpose to say look more in Montreal. There have been other reasons to consider Montreal, none of which are solid enough to be fully trusted. The case is just a bunch of people with opinions that it fits Montreal for one reason or another, but if you look at each reason critically, you can’t be certain. That’s a problem and that’s why I’ve always given attention to exploring other locations.
Several people have liked Vancouver BC in the past, but those were the pre-leg-eater days. I like Vancouver for a lot of reasons, but all are no less worthy than those which support Montreal. I’ve even tried to explore a dual-location sort of puzzle design and that is untenable as well. Some people might remember my Hans Christian Anderson theories about the Shadow (basically an evil clone story), and the Little Mermaid. I still wonder about the visual likeness of this image 9 character to Hans Christian Anderson. Ultra deep level theories end up being too complicated. Anyway, the lat/long connection seems possible, a 4 and rotated 9 hidden in the corner of the flower and a 123 hidden in the hair. Vancouver is 49/123.
V10 has a line about taking a number of steps. I have this hard to believe kind of thought that these steps are completely linked to the painting. Take the hoof on that leg and notice it’s width is the same as the nearby checker squares. If I propose the 9 o’clock gun in Stanley Park is the hour needed to determine an 18 step count, then where does that lead us in the painting? Has the hoof been drawn at a point where we need to track backwards 18 steps to determine a spot of special significance? I think this could be a reference visually and in concert with a site confirmer that helps us see the dig spot once we are at the correct site. So, summing up my thoughts, I don’t think we take any actual steps at a site. We just use that as an in painting reference point.
I think the Burns monument is possibly the isle of B. Looking N at him and holding the painting up, I do see a possible match to the main plaque and brick, these being generic squares, but something stands out to my eye as there are two boundary lines that also fit.

gManTexas

If people have better ideas, please be my guest. This isn’t a competition.

PRECISELY

I actually think there are four image matches at MSC, all within ~20 feet of each other:
1. Legeater, of course
2. Fleur de lis right next to the legeater
3. X on building right next to MSC
4. Brickwork on building right net to msc… notice how three bricks are positioned perpendicular at the center of the neck
I think that he either jumped the fence at MSC, which was kinda on the decline in 1980 from what I’ve read, and seemed to not have a flowerbed there in 1980… or he buried it in sight of all 4 things. If we can figure out wat buildings were across the street in 1980, I think we have our cask location.

Is there anyone in Montreal? I’d still be interested in counting the steps. Could well be 15.

WhiteRabbit

Is there anyone in Montreal? I’d still be interested in counting the steps. Could well be 15.

Earlier in this thread, someone counted it out as 15. I think it might have been MF while trying to find the blob, but maybe it was the legeater discoverer, whose name escapes me.

Don’t forget the map located in the collar.
https://flickr.com/photos/102050593@N07 … 6549357283
Full disclosure:I hijacked this from Egbert’s public Flickr account.

If it
was
at the MSC, then Wilhouse beat us to it.

MrSeabass

I do not agree at all that the collar matches the river. Montreal is an island; it makes no sense to only show one ‘side’ of it this way.
I’m not saying it’s
not
in Montreal, but the river is not a match for the collar.

After looking at the collar and the map of the river, the resemblance is there. If everything made perfect sense, the secret would be a book of maps and directions directly to the casque sites. Not a puzzle.
It’s good though, we can agree to disagree.

WhiteRabbit

If it
was
at the MSC, then Wilhouse beat us to it.

Damn. I will be in Montreal in early June to visit with friends. I was hoping get a good look at everything while I am there.

WhiteRabbit

If it
was
at the MSC, then Wilhouse beat us to it.

The image of the cap you posted is that of a english driving cap.  That is nothing like what our gnome is wearing.
Your scattershot ideas are confusing even me.

Fox-
sorry if my ideas are not coming across here as
clear as I want .
This is the man in the drawing.  This is a characture of
him, probably tens years past when image nine character
is based on.  On the day represented by image nine,
he did indeed wear black and gold.  The man is french.
There is no map in imae nine.
Check out though the ‘x’ pin.  Turn it sideways, each way.
One way you get a black seven.  The other way you get
a white seven, written backwards.

continued…
The man is Jean Cruguet.
Verse two gets you to the burial spot.
The photo simply tells you what was there
in 1982.
If anyone is in Kentucky and wants to verify this,
let me know.  I am in PA and it will be a seven hour drive.
Fox-  tell me if you found any long and lats in this image
to dispute my location.

Here is a more contemporary comparison.
Besides the style of outfit change and the poetic
license on the hair to make it look more ‘horse-like’
this is our man.
The photo is not pointing to the burial site,
thats for the verse.  Barn and stall number.
(In the middle of twenty one)

*link image and then post*
*slap*

A photo graph from a jockey trading card.
As a note on location, Churchill Downs has under gone
minor renovations in the 1990’s and major renovations
over the past two years.
Also, in 1992 they bought up near by FairGrounds Park
and added it to their acreagae.
Also, over the past two years a horse virus has been plagueing
the industry and some horses and barns have been
purposely destroyed to halt the deadly outbreak – including at
Churchill Downs.

Side by Side.

One reason I am not too keen on the idea of Kentucky being a casque locale is this, which of course could be all wrong.
It is an ongoing belief that all of the casques will be located in port cities…..and of course, KY is..for lack of better words…landlocked.  I may have to eat crow later but I really dont think so.

I noticed the running trend of Port Cities, but I
didn’t see anything that officiated that.
I did note the other less obvious trend of the site
contains a fountain, which Churchhill Downs defintiely
does.
With the addition of the Fair Grounds Plot to the
1982 layout of Churchill Downs, its boundaries were changed.
I have found a potential map piece but it defintiely isn’t
any state that I can tell.  Two sides do match up with the
street boundaries of CD, but not the other two.  I am looking for
a 1982 layout of the grounds to try and match up while I plan
my trip and make my Kentucky contacts.
The double 77 which I could only see by looking at the book
version sealed the deal for me.
The map piece I am investigating is the left upper collar piece
with the gold right jagged border to the left two straight borders

I now have a detailed ground map.
(All be it, from 2005)
I can confirm I have found no map
and the log/lat = 86,38 which I can not
find in the image.
But I do have an exact digging spot
to try out.  The map matches the verse.
(as far as I can tell from here)
Jean Cruguet only won the Kentucky Derby
once.

WhiteRabbit

The Image connection, The “stairstep roof” is a good idea.
Also, from this Exact location (using google maps street view) you should look down the road and then zoom in at the top of the farthest building straight ahead……there is a dome similar to the white in the neckline under the “stairsteps”

I’m not buying the use of mirrors on the pictures . None of the others required more than the picture itself for the solve .

I tend to agree. I am not a huge fan of the “this is two images combined” theory either, or the confidence with which it is espoused over at ye olde wiki.

Obviously some mirroring is used. It seems to be a trivial detail that would easily be recognized. Using an actual mirror isn’t required, but using the flip/rotate tools on the image might help our eyes/brains spot something that is being hidden in that way.
The shape of the state of Illinois in image 5.
The G and h in Image 1.
The shape of Parkgate Ave. in Image 4.
The subject itself of image 10 uses a lot of symmetry, not so much an effect of mirroring. It seems to be telling us there’s something important about squares or a checkered pattern.

erexere

Obviously some mirroring is used. It seems to be a trivial detail that would easily be recognized. Using an actual mirror isn’t required, but using the flip/rotate tools on the image might help our eyes/brains spot something that is being hidden in that way.
The shape of the state of Illinois in image 5.
The G and h in Image 1.
The shape of Parkgate Ave. in Image 4.
The subject itself of image 10 uses a lot of symmetry, not so much an effect of mirroring. It seems to be telling us there’s something important about squares or a checkered pattern.

True, but my point was more along the lines of how I didnt buy that you have to split image 9 down the center and reflect it wholesale to get either the “smiley gnome” or the “frowny gnome”. I think that tactic is relatively meaningless.
Obviously some of the states (IL) and shapes (Terminal Bldg. ) are flipped or turned in some of the images, that is not in dospute.

This image is likely St. Louis. I looked at the hat. The right side of the hat that Soron thought was Olympic Stadium in Montreal is more likely a crude outline of Missourie. At least the east side as it conforms to the river. The shadow on the right side of the mat may also be tring to exentuate the crude outline of MO.
The definate confirmer for St. Louis is the STL Blues logo. Sence it does not appear that any decoies etc were used this should be a definate confirmer. The STL Arch and Courthouse were also hidden in the image but they could have easely been overlooked. The park is definately Forest Park. The checkerboard pattern was once at the entrance of Forest Park. The Jewel Box is also in the image. The casque is definately not in the Jewel Box as that would be a flower garden and even back in the early ’80s it would likely be locked and very secured in the overnight. The dogleg that has led some to think Montreal is likely somehow connected to the worlds fair that was held there.
So the next big question which verse matches. Their are three verses that could match they are verse 3, 6 or 10. At first blush any of them could fit forest park. I think the most likely match is Verse 6. I will put why I think this in the appropriate thread

So…you have a definite confirmer based off of a hockey logo and three different verses…  And did you see the “legeater” in those pictures? THAT is more of a definite match than anything else.

Unknown

Unknown:
The definate confirmer for St. Louis is the STL Blues logo.

That is most definitely
NOT
the St. Louis Blues hockey team logo. No matter what you think. For one, it’s backwards in orientation from the logo, and for another, it’s
maybe
not even a musical note. It could as easily be 76, 6, 67, 77, 707 or something else.

This could be the number 70. If this is then it likely is the key number that points to St. Louis.
If I rember correctly someone thought the way the hands were folded was the Roman Numeral 70. Thanks for putting that logo up. We may have all thought that was the Blues logo that we overlooked the obvious.

I’d much rather think it was a 70 than the logo.

Just poking around the mind of Byron.
Found this interesting…..

I see a 39 in the curls on his brow.
Unfortunately, according to the tool i’m using, 39 x 73 is just water.  However 39 x 74 is New Jersey, 75 is Delaware, and 77 is Maryland or Pennsylvania.

I see a 39 in the curls on his brow.
Unfortunately, according to the tool i’m using, 39 x 73 is just water.  However 39 x 74 is
New
Jersey, 75 is Delaware, and 77 is Maryland or Pennsylvania.

WhiteRabbit

…the adjacent
St Helen’s Island
, with the Expo 67 Buckminster Fuller
biosphere
.
(The Field Guide mentions it on P158…which probably means you can rule it out. It does make quite a nice opal though.)
(Together, these two islands make up
Parc Jean Drapeau
which was the site of
Expo 67
.)

Biosphere trivia…
The structure is used prominently in the original Battlestar Galactica television series episode, “Greetings from Earth”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Biosph%C3%A8re
😉
Famous Geodesic dome…Field Guide’s “Geodesic Gnome”…”Gnomes admire” -> “Dome’s E margin”…
(I know anagrams are a bit rubbish, but let’s face it, so’s this book…
)

i love trivia…so good to see some lighthearted rubbish.

I believe this image falls under the following theme:
October (The roman numeral “X”)
Opal
Marigold? Calendula?
Dutch/Scottish? Theme
“The Opal of the Lowland Gnomes:
A cloud of shining, shifting smoke.”

Sorry, I just don’t see Vermont.  (I’m from Vermont.)
Maybe I’m looking at it incorrectly.  Could you please post an image of what you see?

I don’t think it’s Vermont or St. Louis.  By process of elimination, discussed in the “What has been found” thread, I think this has to be the
New
York pic.

I don’t think it’s Vermont or St. Louis.  By process of elimination, discussed in the “What has been found” thread, I think this has to be the New York pic.

Unknown

Unknown:
How about the General Franz Sigel Statue
near Deer Lake in Forest Park?
http://civilwartraveler.bravepages.com/stlmon_2/l%20Gen%20Franz%20Sigel,%20USA%201h.JPG

The General’s statue is located at the northeastern part of the park.  It certainly has a horse, but doesn’t quite have the right leg “bend” that the Apotheosis has — that may or may not be relevant.  Also, it is in the opposite direction (moving away) from the World’s Fair Pavillion and Art Museum.  Though I can’t say for sure, it seems like it was at least a mile and a half or more walk from the Jewel Box.
If I’m not mistaken, weren’t the statuary and sculpture clues from Chicago and Cleveland located more closely?
My above post certainly was not meant to say that Image 9 does not match with the Jewel Box and Forest Park area.  I just wanted to convey what I saw there (and what I didn’t see), and hope that someone else would discover something promising.
If people are getting serious about Verse 6 and St. Louis, in the Jewel Box gardens there is a large statue of St. Francis of Assisi with two arms extended and some very large hands.  I’ll try to post a picture if no one has any luck finding a link.
Also, immediately located there are the Vandeventer Gates (no inscription) that are very old and “clue-worthy) but the Korean War Memorial was installed after the book was published.
>>>Dan

Unknown

Unknown:
On his cloak appears to be a dog, and then the leg of a horse (a “dogleg” is a sharp bend in a road).

I’m no longer particularly worried about what it is: I’m sure we’ll see it again in the vicinity of the casque.

Unknown

Unknown:
I think this is the pic that matches verse 11, which we just figured out was North Carolina.  The town right nearby is called Nags Head.  The horse’s foot and strange head in this pic seems to be a match.  There is even “Old Nag’s Head Road” in Kill Devil Hill, where the treasure is apparently buried.  Let’s do some more searching in this picture.

But it’s not a horse’s head in the picture.  A dog’s head, maybe.

Still trying to fit this picture somewhere.  How about St. Louis, Forest Park, in a place called……..get this…….The Jewel Box.  The outline of the building certainly matches the funny guy’s shirt:
http://stlouis.missouri.org/citygov/parks/jewelbox/
There’s also a place next to Forest Park which is apparently known as “Dogtown.”  Perhaps Johann knows a bit more about this.
http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/dogtown/dogtown.html
BTW, Forest Park may have changed since 1982.  Check this out:
http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/dogtown/park/park-ideal.html

This weekend I made the trek down to Forest Park in St. Louis from Iowa City, IA.  Specifically, I was looking to match Image 9 with Verse 2.
“At the place where jewels abound” sounded a lot like a Jewel Box to me.
“Gnomes admire, Fays delight, The namesakes meeting near this sight” sounded like it might be a reference to the World’s
Fair
which obviously was held on the grounds and whose Pavillion is near the Jewel Box.
Also, if you look at the roman numeral X and the “runes” on his clothing you get an approximation of the garden area next to the Jewel Box (when looking down from above).
And probably as Johann can attest, this park that seems full of possibilities was something less in person.
First, the Jewel Box doesn’t directly match the pattern on his clothing.  The top most level of the J.B. is approximately 5-6 times wider than the stair-step levels below it.  This is a detail that I think would be accurate in the picture.
The major monuments and statuary in the immediate vicinity of the J.B. had no familiar traits and the X-shaped garden is actually a 6-pointed star shaped garden with very regular patterns where the rune shapes should be.
The world’s fair pavillion also did not seem to resemble anything in any of the pictures.  It wasn’t until you reach the Apotheosis of St. Louis at the Art Museum that you encounter a “horse’s leg.”  And the Monument to Musicians (music note) is in the far corner of the park from there.
Keep in mind that this park is HUGE (even more so than I expected from the map).  I think that if I picked a random two mile path through most major cities, I would come up with just as many “hits” as I personally witnessed here.
I would wait to hear from Johann about his thoughts on Forest Park as he is the resident St. Louis expert and has probably been to the Jewel Box a few times.  But with as much research as I have done on the city, I feel like I’ve got a stranglehold on a very distant second place.
>>>Dan
ps — By the way, despite all of these latitude and longitude hits in the pictures, there is a small piece of me deep down in my heart that still believes that Image 11 represents St. Louis.  Does that make me a bad person?

Unknown

Unknown:
ps — By the way, despite all of these latitude and longitude hits in the pictures, there is a small piece of me deep down in my heart that still believes that Image 11 represents St. Louis.  Does that make me a bad person?

Welcome aboard, Dan!  🙂
No, it doesn’t make you a bad person.  In fact, if you look at the “What has been found” thread, you will see that we currently have a dilemma where we have 13 locations and 12 treasures.  So, something is wrong somewhere!
It may be that Image 9 does not match St. Louis.  However, it certainly appears that Verse 6 does.

Unknown

Unknown:
It wasn’t until you reach the Apotheosis of St. Louis at the Art Museum that you encounter a “horse’s leg.”

How about the General Franz Sigel Statue
near Deer Lake in Forest Park?
http://civilwartraveler.bravepages.com/stlmon_2/l%20Gen%20Franz%20Sigel,%20USA%201h.JPG

ok.,…here goes….
this is my first day here, and i have no real experience with treasure hunting….but it has always interested me. But i guess viewing those hi-res scans with an innocent eye may help…
As far as the anaimal on the shirt…right from the get-go it appeared to be a kangaroo’s head with a kangaroos 2 legs…..doesnt do much for the dogleg theory, but maybe you guys can think kangaroo and shoot me down or not
The hand gesture is wierd…..i looked real hard for anything hidden in shadow and the like…but my 11 year old son took 1 look and started with his hands doing the song “heres the church, heres the steeple….open the doors and heres the people”…..that pic is done at the “heres the steeple” part….
Boy i know this is going to get me flamed……but its 2:45 am, and heck….why not……your friend from indiana

“This is the church. This is the steeple.
This is the light in all of the people.”
Luke 11:33-36
THAT is exactly what I thought also when I saw that hand gesture!  Thanks for bringing that up; I had forgotten my very thought.

Welcome to the every changing, head-ache ridden world of treasure hunting Shamrock  😀
It does look like the head of a kangaroo but I’m not sure about the leg and feet.  The foot in the P is definitely cloven.  Well, now looking over the P while posting this, it is looking more a dog again…with the mouth open the way it is.  Who knows though?…the kangaroo & church ideas are definitely worth looking into…

The thing that bugs me about St Louis (Legeaters aside) is there is no 38
the image shows a 39
38 puts you in IL
Any thoughts?

Montreal-  45 and 73.
St Louis-   38 and 90
MISSOURI
Cape Girardeau            37° 14′ N    89° 35′ W
Columbia AP (S)          38° 58′ N    92° 22′ W
Farmington AP            37° 46′ N    90° 24′ W
Hannibal                  39° 42′ N    91° 21′ W
Jefferson City            38° 34′ N    92° 11′ W
Joplin AP                37° 9′ N      94° 30′ W
Kansas City AP            39° 7′ N      94° 35′ W
Kirksville AP            40° 6′ N      92° 33′ W
Mexico                    39° 11′ N    91° 54′ W
Moberly                  39° 24′ N    92° 26′ W
Poplar Bluff              36° 46′ N    90° 25′ W
Rolla                    37° 59′ N    91° 43′ W
St. Joseph AP            39° 46′ N    94° 55′ W
St. Louis AP              38° 45′ N    90° 23′ W
St. Louis CO              38° 39′ N    90° 38′ W
Sikeston                  36° 53′ N    89° 36′ W
Sedalia–Whiteman AFB    38° 43′ N    93° 33′ W
Sikeston                  36° 53′ N    89° 36′ W
Springfield AP            37° 14′ N    93° 23′ W

The theory — which I think can be traced back to fox — is that the latitudes and longitudes “box in” the casque’s location, they don’t run directly through it. When they appear at all, we are supplied only with whole-number latitudes and longitudes. St. Louis is boxed in by 38, 39, 90, and 91. I see what may be a 39 on his forehead, but making the other possible numbers fit would be a stretch.
In P8, the 30, 95, and 96 are pretty obvious, and lo and behold, Houston TX is boxed in by 29, 30, 95 and 96.
In P2, we see 32, 33, 79, and 80, the “box” for Charleston SC. Of course, the map of Charleston Harbor helps as well.
etc.

I still find it very difficult to move on to other locations because of that darned “exact” legeater…but, if St Louis is the other possible location, what ever happened to all of the research being done on the Vandeventer Place Gates in Forest Park being {if I remember correctly} good matches for the arched eyes in this P?
http://stlouispatina.blogspot.com/2007/ … gates.html
…man we have gone over soooo many darned theories, haven’t we?

BINGO
No, the leg-eater does not have a direct tie with the verse in my solve. I see it as being a part of the overall verse clue of “You’ll see an arc of lights”. This part of the verse to me is in reference to the City of Montreal at night. Quebec Route 138 runs throught the heart of Montreal and along many venues from the 76 Olympics. And to those who read my “O’s” commernt earlier, QR138 also ties into other Olympic venues in Ottawa and Ontario.
The George Stephen House is a block South of QR138 and so is the Montreal Forum (PX7 box). Many of the running and cycling competitions went all over Montreal and in the Golden Square. The historic importance of the GSH to Montreal is undeniable. I mean George Stephen even used it as collateral when trying to continue the financing of the Canadian Pacific Railroad after some other financial partners dropped out. I see both of these locations (on the monk’s collar) as waymarkers to Olympic Park.

http://www.inspirationline.com/images/s … castle.jpg
Johann, Notice the circular window to the left.  Maybe the flower in image9?  Trying to link Smithsonian with this pic is gonna be tough.

Thanks, Boogieman.  This could be significant.  Now if we could come up with a verse for this pic . . .

If you keep your head a few feet back from the page (or zoom quite far out on a digital image), you can see this shaded area in Image 9 that looks to be a definitive shape, which I tried to outline. It kinda looks like Bullet Bill crashing into an “E” to me. The further away you get/zoom, the clearer the shaded image becomes.
Any thoughts?

I’m kind of wishing I’d bought that £2 copy now…I was wondering whether someone might be able to do new hires scans of a couple of the images for a different perspective on the ghostly elements. This one and Houston especially. (I’ve always thought Houston had something unidentified in the trees.)

I’m kind of wishing I’d bought that £2 copy now…I was wondering whether someone might be able to do
new
hires scans of a couple of the images for a different perspective on the ghostly elements. This one and Houston especially. (I’ve always thought Houston had something unidentified in the trees.)

First time posting… I’m the unicorn guys… I live in Montreal, and I’m available to investigate plausible theories!
One thing I try to keep in mind while deciphering the image is “simplicity”. BP thought this would be solve easily, so I doubt there’s extended history search or cryptic readings of smudge in the background.
IMO, the image is connected to Montreal because of the numbers hidden in the flower: 67 (Expo 67, the International exposition of 1967 held in Montreal), and 76 (The Olympic of 76 were held in Montreal).
Now, for the hands, I have a simple theory. Montreal’s most known landmark is Mont-Royal, which is a mountain with a cross on top. I think that’s what the hands represent: a cross, a mountain… and 2 awkward fingers?
Theories I got but are probably too far fetched (but who knows, might inspire a more elegant solution?):
I don’t know if the months are really important or not, but October is an historically important month, because of the Octobre Crisis. (Interesting note who brought me to investigate this treasure but probably has nothing to do with anything, the Octobre Crisis started in 1970 with the kidnapping of James Cross from 1297 Redpath Crescent, in the Golden Square Mile, at the feet of the mountain).
The checkerboard pattern is so prominent in the image, I can’t believe it wouldn’t have a meaning. I discovered that a very important
chess tournament was held in Montreal in 1979
. The contestants lived at The Meridian Hotel… in the Golden Square Mile (but then again, most nice hotels are in that area…). Montreal is also known for his Grand Prix (checkerboard flags!) but it started in 1984 only… our most known Formula One driver, Gilles Villeneuve, was at the peak of his career when the book was written (of course there was no commemorative park or such since he only died in 1982…).
The connection with the Dutch origin is an enigma to me. Montreal doesn’t seem that connected to the Netherlands… I searched for the Netherlands pavilion at Expo 67, but it’s not on site anymore. No obvious parks either that commemorate a Dutch person. Mystery.
Some people on the PB wiki mentioned the possibility of the Ernest Cormier Esplanade as a digging spot… Went there and learned it was constructed in 1990.
I also visited the Percy Walters Park, and couldn’t find enough evidence connected to the verse or even the image (except for the striking Trafalgar School for girls) to warrant to dig. Though the Trafalgar School is far from being the only building in the area with the stair shaped facade. The most prominent one would be the Hospital Royal Victoria.
Can’t connect any Arc or lights, or Wingless bird to the city…
There is however a Tiffany store in the area, if the connection with the verse 2 is still plausible.
I’m pretty obsessed now and I try to put myself in the shoes of Byron Preiss, as a visitor of Montreal and someone who planned all this from a distance… what would catch is eyes (considering also that he wouldn’t have access to Internet).

Puck wasn’t a satyr. He was a hobgoblin.
And in any event, a satyr is a mythological figure from the Greek–and Puck was a character in Shakespeare based on Faerie lore, which isn’t Greek mythology (though there are a few elements of mythology in the play, the story and characters aren’t BASED on it.) I’m sure you know that, but the two aren’t related.

Interesting buildings in Montreal
Notre-Dame de Bonsecours

I thought he was a faun…

Nyarlane

First time posting… I’m the unicorn guys… I live in Montreal, and I’m available to investigate plausible theories!
One thing I try to keep in mind while deciphering the image is “simplicity”. BP thought this would be solve easily, so I doubt there’s extended history search or cryptic readings of smudge in the background.
IMO, the image is connected to Montreal because of the numbers hidden in the flower: 67 (Expo 67, the International exposition of 1967 held in Montreal), and 76 (The Olympic of 76 were held in Montreal).
Now, for the hands, I have a simple theory. Montreal’s most known landmark is Mont-Royal, which is a mountain with a cross on top. I think that’s what the hands represent: a cross, a mountain… and 2 awkward fingers?
Theories I got but are probably too far fetched (but who knows, might inspire a more elegant solution?):
I don’t know if the months are really important or not, but October is an historically important month, because of the Octobre Crisis. (Interesting note who brought me to investigate this treasure but probably has nothing to do with anything, the Octobre Crisis started in 1970 with the kidnapping of James Cross from 1297 Redpath Crescent, in the Golden Square Mile, at the feet of the mountain).
The checkerboard pattern is so prominent in the image, I can’t believe it wouldn’t have a meaning. I discovered that a very important
chess tournament was held in Montreal in 1979
. The contestants lived at The Meridian Hotel… in the Golden Square Mile (but then again, most nice hotels are in that area…). Montreal is also known for his Grand Prix (checkerboard flags!) but it started in 1984 only… our most known Formula One driver, Gilles Villeneuve, was at the peak of his career when the book was written (of course there was no commemorative park or such since he only died in 1982…).
The connection with the Dutch origin is an enigma to me. Montreal doesn’t seem that connected to the Netherlands… I searched for the Netherlands pavilion at Expo 67, but it’s not on site anymore. No obvious parks either that commemorate a Dutch person. Mystery.
Some people on the PB wiki mentioned the possibility of the Ernest Cormier Esplanade as a digging spot… Went there and learned it was constructed in 1990.
I also visited the Percy Walters Park, and couldn’t find enough evidence connected to the verse or even the image (except for the striking Trafalgar School for girls) to warrant to dig. Though the Trafalgar School is far from being the only building in the area with the stair shaped facade. The most prominent one would be the Hospital Royal Victoria.
Can’t connect any Arc or lights, or Wingless bird to the city…
There is however a Tiffany store in the area, if the connection with the verse 2 is still plausible.
I’m pretty obsessed now and I try to put myself in the shoes of Byron Preiss, as a visitor of Montreal and someone who planned all this from a distance… what would catch is eyes (considering also that he wouldn’t have access to Internet).

This is a great post. I must have missed it when you first posted. Unfortunately, I don’t have the time at the moment to give this the response it deserves, but I’ll put something together. I’ve spent most of my time on Image9/Montreal and would like to discuss a few angles. There’s some additional Montreal chatter in some other threads right now too, so I’m trying to put some thoughts down.
For now though, I would just like to again push my pet theory that the Boer War Monument makes a good Dutch connection. As I understand it, it is the only equestrian statue in Montreal. It also serves to feed into the “horse hoof” imagery on the actual legeater.
The more I think about it, the more I believe that the Mount Stephen Club was the destination and likely treasure ground, not the start.
I’ve been supportive of the idea that considering alternate verses may be the direction to go.
Anyway, I have some posts on SA and here discussing some things I’ve come up with. I’ll try to put together some things that relate to some of the points you’re making above.
edit: In skimming back, I realized this was getting cut off. Apologies:

but then again………….lol
you guys are gonna kill me………i’m so wishy washy,
but look at this picture of the maine monument in central park……and i know BP said there wasn’t one in central park, right? but look.
at the right angle this could look like the leg eater.
http://flickr.com/photos/randylevine/213792836/
i’ve always liked this image to go with new york because of the obvious dutch connection and the canarsie (spl?) tribe…..
but then again…i go see all these mosaic benches at grant’s tomb ….(which goes with image 12)
http://mosaicartsource.wordpress.com/20 … york-city/
which has these eagles too:
http://flickr.com/photos/saintseminole/ … 190235371/
and the eagles at the maine monument:
http://flickr.com/photos/wallyg/1130546 … 192309086/
the lady at the maine monument:
http://flickr.com/photos/wallyg/1130554 … 192309086/

i followed a link from the article, about the Dominion Square pic merlot posted
the article didnt say a whole lot about that img, it led me to where the article
got it from, somewhere here…..
http://www.mccord-museum.qc.ca/scripts/ … =116__true
then i looked around the site, i think it could be a good resourse for looking around
old montreal, i havent done a search for the eighties yet, maybe after the hoilday
home
http://www.mccord-museum.qc.ca/en/
this looks cool
http://www.mccord-museum.qc.ca/en/keys/ … twolenses/

The view of Montreal from the top of Mount Royal Park looks interesting. There is a giant stairway in that park too.

I am neither great nor powerful.
I may however be a tiny frail man behind a curtain.
Josh is an odd dude, I’ve hung out with him twice now… both times I think he wanted to fight me because I told him he was wrong. Once he punched a desk.
Hes a good example of what’s wrong with the hunt… since EU came out anyway… people who wont listen to reason because they obviously are smarter than everyone else.
Hes family in the same way a racist drunk uncle is family. It’s a good ide to keep him around so you can point at him on Thanksgiving and tell your kids “dont be like him when you grow up”

Until there is a casque found using this image, it is totally possible that this image represents St. Louis,
But I really think it represents Montreal… and this is why…
The numbers fit
The Legeater Fits
The Neck Fits  (notice the exact fit too!)
The Blob even fits
There is a hidden map of montreal…
The closest parking lot to the mctavish monument is…  (verified by calling the hospital security desk)
and montreal has checkers too…

maltedfalcon

The Legeater Fits

maltedfalcon

The Neck Fits  (notice the exact fit too!)

maltedfalcon

There is a hidden map of montreal…

This is just toooo exact for me.  Very nice display Falcon.
This is interesting as well.  Some of the other things you listed seem to be stretches, ie… the ‘blob’ idea…but who knows?  And just how long has parking lot P7 been around?  But this…oh boy…this is what really intrigues me:
Has this ever been mentioned in the past?

fox

This is just toooo exact for me.  Very nice display Falcon.
This is interesting as well.  Some of the other things you listed seem to be stretches, ie… the ‘blob’ idea…but who knows?  And just how long has parking lot P7 been around?  But this…oh boy…this is what really intrigues me:
There is a hidden map of montreal..
Has this ever been mentioned in the past?

Thnx,  I believe I mentioned it, I just finally got around to posting an image of what I meant…
Also as far as the blob goes… I realize that image is not exact, it is why I was asking FB to eyeball it in person… but I bet there is a view of the front of the club, using the flowerbox,
matches the blob exactly.. you have to admit it is closer than any other blob suggestion has been…

all you need to do to convince me is find one of those lamps in Vancouver.
until then I think you’re shoe-horning clues into place.

I will be in Vancouver for a conference for the rest of this week. And while I won’t have much (or any) free time, I will certainly keep an eye out for that lamp!

Take a very good photo of the two statues at the Harding Memorial.
There’s no point in a lamp being in Vancouver.  The lamp in Montreal is important with respect to the history of George Stephen.

I dont buy that at all- in the found casques images – the images in the picture are basically independent of the verse. So by finding a lamp in any other city, that would open up the possibility of any unused verse being applicable and the casque being there.  i.e., if anybody ever finds a lamp in St Louis, I would think that would actually be a better fit for the image.

I just wanted to throw this out there too. Phone posting at the moment so later I’ll try to find an image to do this idea justice, but I’ve held on to the notion that there may indeed be a (portion of)  a map of Quebec in this image.
It is represented by the entirety of his  “robe” on the left hand (our left) side of the image above his hands. If compared to a map, the flower would be the portion of Labrador that juts into Quebec (for lack of a better description). The robe along the checkerboard and the flower would be the eastern border of Quebec, the top of his right hand and arm are the southern border, etc
That would also help explain why his hands are positioned that way.  Don’t look at the hands, by themselves, look at how his hands affect the shape of the black area to make it into an outline of Quebec.
Just a thought.
Edit:

forest_blight

maltedfalcon pointed out the resemblance of the collar to the St. Lawrence River in 2008, but I’m glad to see the theory resurrected. It’s a good one.

forest_blight

Now, what verse?

forest_blight

shecrab suggested Cartier as “him of Hard word,” and there is a gigantic statue of him on the north side of Mt. Royal Park.

forest_blight

There is a St. Louis Lake right beside Montreal, and this may agree with my theory that our fellow’s arched eyebrow (look close) signifies the arch in “our” St. Louis, and agrees with BP’s statement that we wouldn’t be wrong to look in St Louis. There is also a St. Louis Park, and probably several other St. Louis named locations.

Yes it is!  Wish I would have remembered that before spending an hour yesterday putting that together.
I think the only choices we have left are Verses 6 and 10.  Edwin and Edwina v. him of Hard word.
Please explain the Cartier reference as him of Hard word.  I believe he was a famous explorer, if we are talking about the same person.
I like that theory a lot.

forest_blight

Now, what verse?

I think the only choices we have left are Verses 6 and 10.  Edwin and Edwina v. him of Hard word.

Verse 5

forest_blight

There is a St. Louis Lake right beside Montreal, and this may agree with my theory that our fellow’s arched eyebrow (look close) signifies the arch in “our” St. Louis, and agrees with BP’s statement that we wouldn’t be wrong to look in St Louis. There is also a St. Louis Park, and probably several other St. Louis named locations.

I’d like to know what verse and image BP was responding to when he made the “deserve to know you are right about St Louis” remark. If it was a cryptic hint about some other St Louis, it would seem a bit odd if it was about some completely unrelated image and verse. (I think this was the image, though I don’t know what the verse was.)

Egbert

I think the only choices we have left are Verses 6 and 10.  Edwin and Edwina v. him of Hard word.

Egbert

Please explain the Cartier reference as him of Hard word.

I think V5 is a contender, too. I cannot be convinced that Edwin and Edwina is anything other than a reference to the Charleston, SC twins named after Edward Wilmot Blyden. The same book that gave us the Sarmiento quote also tells us about the twins Edwin and Edwina being named after him. Did I mention that this was from the SAME BOOK THAT GAVE US THE SARMIENTO QUOTE? See:
http://kspot.org/trove/blyden.jpg
. I mean, c’mon.
There is the famous Cartier jewelry family. Diamonds are pretty hard.

forest_blight

I think V5 is a contender, too. I cannot be convinced that Edwin and Edwina is anything other than a reference to the Charleston, SC twins named after Edward Wilmot Blyden. The same book that gave us the Sarmiento quote also tells us about the twins Edwin and Edwina being named after him. Did I mention that this was from the SAME BOOK THAT GAVE US THE SARMIENTO QUOTE? See:
http://kspot.org/trove/blyden.jpg
. I mean, c’mon.

Ooooh, of course, I completely forgot about that quote!  See what happens when I stay away for too long?  Yes, I agree that that is correct.  Have we found anything on Blyden in SC?  I guess I will check the Verse thread on that.

Years of weather may have caused the tree to split and widen a little at top.  Not a stone statue or a metal lamp, but it looks like one of the best matches I’ve seen in awhile.

that is partially correct fenix, but its not telling you location of treasure, its reinforcing the rune clues and bottom square, both of which point you to the gsh….its telling you to stop at gsh on your way along the path down, first the block bw peel and mctavish (to dorchester square and place du canada), and then down peel to the waterfront…you are essentially traversing ville marie- from the cemetaries to the islands- in the larger picture. where youre mistaken is that the sm and gsm are the same thing, golden was added to describe how it was the neighbourhood with all the stately houses of those involved in the golden age of the fur trade.

finally,
I believe you can share more, please carry on….

Fenix

I completely agree with the references to the Golden Square Mile. Keep in mind there was the Golden Square Mile and the original Square Mile. Many people do not understand the difference between the Golden Square Mile(what you see on Google Maps) and the original Square Mile(much smaller). There are 9 streets that run N/S in the Square Mile. From West to East they are: Guy, Simpson, Redpath, Avenue du Musée(Ontario), Mountain, Drummond, Stanley, Peel, and McTavish. When you plug them into the 9 blocks at the base of the checkerboard, the finger is pointing to Drummond.
The hands are simply pointing to the location that you need to be at. Go find this thing on Drummond.
One could argue that this is the start and I may agree, except there is no imagery left in the painting that is detailed enough to be our dig spot confirmer. Ravel07 found the end game 10 years ago.

I like this a lot. Now, my thought is that the image will only get you so far, then we have to follow the verse, which I believe you can match up once you have some clues from the image.
The other part is that now that you are standing in front of MSC, there has to be more. I believe we have to dig into the significance of the location or people.

I wish the podcast can get a hold of Sean Kelly or Ted Mann…

Fenix

I’ve been in contact with a few people who ran the club. It’s hard to connect to people that were there in the 80’s. The new hotel group is worthless from a knowledge perspective but I have a feeling they would be keen on the potential publicity.

I was referring in general, but specifically for MSC I think its George Stephen. This is where it gets involved and potentially dicey when we look into history.

Fenix

I’ve been in contact with a few people who ran the club. It’s hard to connect to people that were there in the 80’s. The
new
hotel group is worthless from a knowledge perspective but I have a feeling they would be keen on the potential publicity.

I was referring in general, but specifically for MSC I think its George Stephen. This is where it gets involved and potentially dicey when we look into history.

Fenix

Sean hasn’t showed any interest from what I understand. He would have taken grad school classes directly across the street at the old YMCA and George WIlliams University though. You would have looked directly at those lamps every time you walked out of the building.

Great picture! I never did find an old photo of the Y.

“The Square Mile and also known as the Golden Square Mile (officially in French: Le Mille Carré and also known as Mille carré doré) is the nostalgic name given to an urban neighbourhood developed principally between 1850 and 1930 at the foot of Mount Royal, in the west-central section of downtown Montreal, Quebec, Canada. The name “Square Mile” has been used to refer to the area since the 1930s; prior to that, the neighborhood was known as ‘New Town’ or ‘Uptown’.[1] The addition of ‘Golden’ was coined by Montreal journalist Charlie Lazarus, and the name has [over time, become associated with] connections to contemporary real-estate developments, as the historical delimitations of the Golden Square Mile overlap with Montreal’s contemporary central business district.”

i did. whereas part of what is traditionally the sm or gsm has now become part of the business district but this doesnt change what makes up the gsm, only that its nature has changed and another area has been perceptually laid over it. so, whereas there were homes that were demolished, they were replaced with contemporary buildings that now fall in the overlapping areas of the gsm and cbd.

if yore referencing the “borders” section, that doesnt change it either…its just two ways always used to describe the same area using two different filters, one using geography (ie city planning) and one based on contents (the stately mansions themselves). i see where and why youre getting confused…preiss was focusing us to this latter “heart” of the golden square mile. please note both were called sm there…the golden didnt come in till later. the square mile and golden square mile are the SAME THING.

not that that changes anything, youre still right about squares…just youre not using it within the context of the puzzle correctly.

dude read EXACTLY what it says…dont add your own words in:
The neighbourhood had precise borders measuring roughly a square mile, covering the area between Boulevard René-Lévesque at the southern end; Pine Avenue at the foot of Mount Royal at the northern end; University Street at the eastern end, and Guy Street at the western end. In effect, however, the ‘Square Mile’ was contained within a far smaller area, between Sherbrooke Street and Pine Avenue, and Guy and University, covering scarcely nine streets on the north-south axis. From east to west: McTavish Street, Peel Street, Stanley Street, Drummond Street, Mountain Street, Ontario Avenue (now Avenue du Musée), Redpath Street, Simpson Street, and Guy Street; and three streets on the east-west axis, from south to north: Sherbrooke St. West, McGregor Street (now Doctor Penfield Avenue) and Pine Avenue.

the inner square referenced is NOT the golden square mile…BOTH are the SQUARE MILE. GOLDEN was added later to BOTH. they are the same…one references the heart of the other. in essence it was a larger neighbourhood designated by city planning, in peoples vernacular it was the heart. both are the square mile both are the golden square mile. both are both.

it doesnt though. the square mile neighbourhood refers to larger part while the square mile referred to the heart of that neighbourhood…both are called literally the exact same thing, where with or without the golden element…the square mile is the golden square mile in both instances lol. you seem to me to be saying one is the square mile while the other is the golden square mile…which is not the case. both terms apply to both, there is no difference between the two, which is what im saying. that doesnt change the way it was used. but your statement as you made it was not correct.

one application of the term applied to the city planning (larger part)
one application of the EXACT SAME TERM applied to the EFFECTIVE “heart” of that neighbourhood, as that is where the stately mansions were hq’d. the golden element came into play because of the people who owned the stately mansions…but the whole puzzle is to follow their exploits…which takes us to the greater area where the banks and all that fun stuff is
its an example of the microcosm being the macrocosm.

you cant remove words either man “effectively” changes the meaning of the sentence by changing its context.

that being said i just went to court for my driving infraction and found a whole collection of expo 67 stuff including a time magazine issue dedicated to the architecture of the man of the world that preiss def had. at an atntiques shop lol.

Fenix

gman, you mentioned not finding pics of the old YMCA. Here are two more from 1980. The first also shows Drummond Court(now demolished) in the background, which was the building they cut a lane through for de maisonneuve blvd

Thanks!

sorry I know there’s a third candelabra near the back of the building or something right? I’ve seen picture of it but I didn’t save it…
anyone have it and don’t mind post it again?

erexere

:offtopic:
What happened to you 421? You use to be so awesome.

I got tired, and then I got awesomer.

And what happened to Egbert? Why would he be remotely interested in one of my fubarred pic manipulations?

erexere

And what happened to Egbert? Why would he be remotely interested in one of my fubarred pic manipulations?

Cause you are right, it’s in Vancouver.

erexere

I think it’s possible to work all of these puzzles by first focusing on the big obvious things.  The details will matter only when you’re on the right track.  There could literally be a monkey element to factor in, but you’re going to have to put the idea on hold while you first gain perspective, find a spot that holds major significance and take it from there.  I suppose most people think that’s the “legeater” lamp in front of the Mount Stephen Club.  I think that’s an unfortunate assumption.  I agree the lamp is spot on, but there’s been absolutely nothing firmly established as to where to go from there or from where one came to get to that spot.  If it is a mere breadcrumb on a path, then it’s doing a terrible job behaving like one.  It could be we haven’t had enough feet on the ground to investigate the area or important features to this puzzle are no longer intact.  Instead of waiting for that assumed approach to play out, I think it’s a natural question to ask ‘why?’ should the leg of this lamp in front of the Mount Stephen Club be important?  What reason would a person have to go to the Mount Stephen Club in the first place and then to discover a lamp’s leg (at torso height) matches the design on the robed man’s lapel?  I think it’s a detail of some importance, but also one that wasn’t intended to be discovered or necessary with respect to finding the Montreal location.
The idea of a lamp leg is already discernable in the image.  I think it’s importance in at least one respect references an idiomatic usage.  As displayed on the chest, it would be like a badge or medal of some sort of achievement.  The idioms using the word leg are “leg up”, “last legs”, or this seems the best, “a leg to stand on,” a justifiable or logical basis for defense.  The man in the robe looks contemplative.  His robe is covered in checkers.  Is he playing a game of checkers or chess?

I agree completely with what you say, that the importance of the “legeater” is not its location at all. I think it is simply a pointer to have us note that it is a “mirror image”. This theory was shown on The Secret’s wiki but it only included the face. I took the image today and applied the mirror (using photoshop) and found a major breakthrough. The big clue is not visible in the original picture but is visible in both the smile side mirrored image and the frown side mirrored image. I have posted the pictures and you will see what I found. Be sure and check this out. I feel this may be a breakthrough for someone to link it all together and solve this one. Good luck!!!
My site:
http://txtreasurehunter.net/

cw0909: I’m all for hearing new ideas and I’d be happy to look at possible locations in Montreal. However, I think we need to focus the search a little bit more. The legeater was found in the heart of downtown Montreal, and that makes sense if there is a treasure in Mtl: Preiss wouldn’t have buried a treasure in a remote part of the city. So I think we should focus on downtown Montreal instead of finding things all over the city. For instance, parc Notre-Dame de Grâce is not at all close to the legeater (not within walking distance, anyway), and I highly doubt that Preiss would’ve gone in that part of the city. So unless we find additional clues, I’m not going to make a trip out there.
As for the club, didn’t someone already ask them about the legeater? I’m pretty sure it’s on this thread, and I remember the club saying that they didn’t have any information about it. If I’m wrong and nobody actually asked them, then I’ll be happy to go there on a Sunday and get some info.

shecrab

I have a question: was the legeater–the specific part that IS the legeater–the part that J W Fiske made? Is it definitely one of their designs?

I remember more than one person here approaching Mount Stephen Club management with questions about the lamps, to no avail – they have neither the records nor the institutional memory to help us. All available information points to the lamps (including the bases) being part of the original 19th century construction of the mansion.
I identified the lamp post (the “lamp standard” or shaft of the lamp) as identical to a model for sale in an old J. W. Fiske catalog. I learned that ironwork lamps like this were mass-produced in a modular fashion, much as they are today – you could switch out parts for other parts. In the catalog the base and top portion are much less ornate than “our” lamps, but the middle portion is definitely a 100% match to a J. W. Fiske pattern. I considered it reasonable to pursue the Fiske angle given the positive match for the shaft, but I followed the trail to its end and wasn’t successful. So there is no evidence for the legeater being a Fiske design, but no evidence against it, either.
My working hypothesis now is that the architect liked the general design of the lamp, but considered the base and top portion too mundane for the stylish mansion he was designing, and so he commissioned or obtained more ornate parts. No clue where he got them, though.

Hmmm….that brings up a new opening then—
it seems that the limb-in-mouth symbol is an iconic symbol used in Ancient Etruscan art–it is a particular feature of this culture, in fact. I’m wondering if by looking further into this connection, if we might not be able to pinpoint something that could help us locate this one.
Fiske, from what I’ve been able to research, did not dabble in Etruscan art forms–but in Italianate and Greek designs, especially as promulgated by two particular artists: Antonio Canova and Bertel Thorvaldsen, neither of whom used Etruscan symbology in their art or motifs.
Maybe the base isn’t Fiske at all–and that may lead us to another iron-works where these symbols
were
used–and maybe a connection we can make to a city.

shecrab

Hmmm….that brings up a new opening then—
it seems that the limb-in-mouth symbol is an iconic symbol used in Ancient Etruscan art–it is a particular feature of this culture, in fact. I’m wondering if by looking further into this connection, if we might not be able to pinpoint something that could help us locate this one.
Fiske, from what I’ve been able to research, did not dabble in Etruscan art forms–but in Italianate and Greek designs, especially as promulgated by two particular artists: Antonio Canova and Bertel Thorvaldsen, neither of whom used Etruscan symbology in their art or motifs.
Maybe the base isn’t Fiske at all–and that may lead us to another iron-works where these symbols
were
used–and maybe a connection we can make to a city.

Are you saying,”Try to find a iron-works (it is made of iron and not brass right?) that specialized in the correct style and then see if they know anything about it?”
Thats a possiblity, how many could there be….
If the lamp was a mix and match kind of thing. are there catalogs, that architects used to choose from, in that case, maybe a trip to the library of congress is in order. ( or a library at a college that specializes in architecture.)
Or perhaps the column was fiske but the base was local how about checking into the history of local montreal foundries…
Still, if there was a legeater in STL someone would remember it. somebody should put up the wanted posters… it would quickly elimininate or confirm the possibility and it is the simplist solution…
Then we could concentrate all our effort on one spot.

Exactly MF!!!
I was thinking that there was more than one iron-mfg at the fair. But it’s sort of hard to tell by the lists. Anyway, it would be worth checking out, and I’ll start tonight.
http://www.1904worldsfairsociety.org/bu … html 
(a few photos)
http://previous.slpl.org/libsrc/exhbtors.htm
(list of exhibitors)

If anyone else wants to try researching this: use the windows “find” feature at the top of the screen under the Edit menu. The group of exhibitors for wrought iron would be group 33. when it comes up hit “find next” until you have your list of places to check.
There were a lot of them when I tried it.

A few brief replies:
shecrab – been there, done (some of) that.
Yes, it is an Etruscan design (one was found in Pompeii, too). Back when I was researching this, I blitzed many, many dealers of antique ironwork, and one of them clued me in to the J. W. Fiske connection. Nothing else even came close.
As for finding similar designs, we are definitely seeking not just any legeater but an exact clone of the ones in Montreal. The match is exact. We may not be looking for a lamp, though. Those same bases could possibly be found on bathtubs, planters, funerary urns, architectural flourishes, etc.
Researching ironworkers at the Fair is a good idea. But remember fairs like that were quickly dismantled, and any iron(zinc)-work would have to have persisted until at least 1981 to be of any use to us, and no one has found that lamp base in Forest Park.
Here is a picture I posted awhile back…

ravel07 sorry for getting name wrong
just how far is the park from the legeater?
here in cleveland from T tower it was 3.8 mile  i think to the garden,
in chicago, i think the route was 3-4 miles, and the same for milwaukee
also. not saying all burial sites are that distance, but it seems so for now.
i have to go near the clev. site thurs. so ill check for sure, and if i have
time ill take some pics

BP’s apparent confirmation of St Louis is pretty baffling. Cryptic references to New Orleans might be a possibility, but it would have been cruelly misleading. Although the legeater is compelling, it bothers me that there’s nothing else in the image which ties it unambiguously to Montreal like a lat/long, rebus, etc.
I’ve previously suggested that the right finger in image 1 divides the column of squares into 3 & 7, as a confirmer for the 37 SF lat/long, and I’ve always wondered if there might be a similar square-counting clue in image 9. (Recycling an old link below; ignore the Milwaukee bit.)
It’s pretty clear that there are 55 squares in each of the sleeves, making 110. The top half is more obscure, but there’s a fairly clear pattern of 9 rows and 18 columns with each horizontal stroke of the collar covering 2 squares. Counting the number of squares in each row from the bottom up, taking out the collar, gives 18+18+16+16+10+10+8+8+4=108.
Maybe there’s some zip code or road reference in there somewhere.

erexere

2) Miniature Railway:  legeater lamp belongs to George Stephen, as does the No.374 of the CPR which is in miniature in this park.

See this is the kind of thing I have a problem with
for # 2 in your theory to work, you have to
A. Find the Legeater in Montreal
B. Name the Building it is in front of
C. Understand that the Mount Stephens club is named after George Stephens
D. Know that George Stephens was the first President of the CPR
E. Among all the trains used by the CPR know that  Canadian Pacific Railway Engine #374, is the engine made famous for pulling Canada’s first transcontinental passenger train into Vancouver in the late 1880s.
F. Ignore that the real Engine #374 is on display at Yaletown’s Roundhouse Community Centre. and center in on a miniature version at a park Across the country.
G. Ignore the fact that nothing in the image indicates Trains
H. Finally arrive at Stanley Park.
The words Silly, Obtuse, Improbable, and Nope, Come to mind…
But thats just my take on it.
I would also point out that the Miniature RailRoad was created in 1964 and has been expanded and revised many times since then, and we have no idea when the current miniature train engine 374  was put into service or what was running there in 1980.

I share your concerns, you raised all the important points, which is why I’ll continue to look for the missing pieces.  I suggested that Preiss could’ve seen a historic photo or painting hanging in the Pavillion or at the kiosk near the miniature train.  From that he could’ve lifted the image.  Preiss might’ve been researching Montreal for an idea, seen the Mount Stephen club, admired the lamp and then conceived of a transcontinental journey.  Knowing, as you say, it would be silly to expect a person to first find the George Stephen connection, Preiss might’ve worked to put more distinct Vancouver clues in and maintained the Montreal ambiguities for the challenging reasons.  Of course this level of intricacy isn’t verifiable yet and it goes against the Cleveland and Chicago.  I know your unwillingness to see the line I’m crossing, but that shouldn’t hinder your view on the many other points.
The No.374 was and always has been the lead engine for the miniature train.  I verified that it’s significance was the reason for the 1964 installment to begin with.  I can furnish quotes or citations if you require it.
If you can believe it, I think the bigger connecting visual clue is the box drawn around the legeater as a good match to the Gate of the Northwest Passage sculpture.  It offers a wide range of visual possibilities: different angles on the city skyline, mountain range, and coastline resonate with various elements.  The square is the most common feature of the checkerboard also.  I would guess we need to take the most recognizable or known element and work the puzzle to a point of discovery of some small verifiable visual link.  Those checkerboards off of pipeline road keep coming up in my mind as a good end result.  Everything else in the park has a slightly more significant purpose.  The checkerboards are very old and easy to overlook.
I imagine Preiss working through his tourism pamphlet and taking a picture of each or finding a riddling expression for his verse.  “Arm” for a cannon.  The base cross-section of the Lumberman’s Arch tree combined with the shape of a poppy to give it a twist reference to a war memorial or the “fire-flower” reference to Deadman’s Island.  Pauline Johnson, an outstanding poet, wrote the Legend of Deadman’s Isle.  Her profile is chiseled in the rock, reminiscent of the book with the Sarmiento quote from Abroad in America with a profile of HG Wells on a large circular plaque, also like the plaque of Sam Hill found on the weight with roots extended in Corbett.  Standing inside the shadowy middle of the giant Hollow Tree.
Something I found interesting was the Park pamphlet actually has a circled P on the spot with the checkerboards and number 7 is circled at the site with the Harding Memorial.  The P and 7 just might be there to signify this checkerboard area just opposite the entrance to the miniature train.  As an end result, this site could be why we have such an oblique reference to the legeater.
I found a link from the Jewish Museum and archives of BC with the title “Gift for President Harding – poem ‘The Lost Lagoon’ by Pauline Johnson”.
The lost lagoon
It is dusk on the Lost Lagoon,
And we two dreaming the dusk away,
Beneath the drift of a twilight grey,
Beneath the drowse of an ending day,
And the curve of a golden moon.
It is dark in the Lost Lagoon,
And gone are the depths of haunting blue,
The grouping gulls, and the old canoe,
The singing firs, and the dusk and–you,
And gone is the golden moon.
O! lure of the Lost Lagoon,–
I dream to-night that my paddle blurs
The purple shade where the seaweed stirs,
I hear the call of the singing firs
In the hush of the golden moon.
Emily Pauline Johnson

Pauline Johnson.  Poet.  Lost Lagoon.
P. J.
what if the P 7 in the box with the X is actually a P with an inverted J?
Her Native name,  Tekahionwake –pronounced: dageh-eeon-wageh, literally: ‘double-life’) might be used as far as taking the image of the two woman statues on either side of the Harding Memorial, putting them doubled into the image of the checkered man.

gManTexas

I get the connection to the Olympics and that could play into this puzzle, but why would we emphasize Nadia Comaneci? With all of the possible clues, why a Romanian gymnast? (with all due respect to her and her accomplishments)

Gman I believe its part of the puzzle because of the importance of the moment. A perfect 10 had never been accomplished in the Olympics and had always been considered an unattainable goal.
Keep in mind, during the 70s we had 3 TV channels and radio to listen to for entertainment, not 100s like today. The point being, that the world was tuned into the Games with great interest unlike today. At times there were over a half billion people watching from across the globe. Nadia’s perfect 10s are one of the most famous moments in sports and it helped the history of the games in Montreal standout.

drunknerds

A red herring is an intentionally wrong trail in a treasure hunt. Calling something a red herring is literally the equivalent of saying “NO! YOU’RE WRONG” except adding an element of ridiculous misuse of rhetoric. You’re much better than that, come on.

Hold on Drunknerds, you are saying my use of the term red herring offends you?
I’ve just thought of it as a playful or clever diversion to a clue or idea in a puzzle, nothing more, nothing less. I think you and I need to get togther for an ice cold IPA or two and you’ll see I’m not what you might envision me to be.

Although no legeater in St louis  after my travels yesterday I still like how the outline of the hands and arms resembles the old courthouse . I was thinking this could very well be representing the same type of buildind elsewhere .
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/553565456/2578383520096202026YoLMWS

was looking around montreal, to try to link p-9
found this but till other images, in pic are found
besides the legeater, i think only then the verse to
this pic will make sense. looks close but it is
Quebéc, and unless there is an legeater there,
its still in for montreal
p-9 ?
click pic for larger view
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/106450

Is there anyone in Montreal on the ground? I have a specific spot I would really like someone to take a picture of if someone is feeling generous. I’ll reimburse bus fare if need be!
edit: No worries it’s not an attempted dig spot, but there’s an “area” that I’ve seen internet pictures of that I would like specific pictures taken from… the ones I found were some woman’s amateur glamour shots posing in a park.

I was researching something unrelated when I came across this picture of building gargoyles in NYC. I thought of the Image 9 and how it’s half sad and half happy.
Then I got distracted and searched for one for Montreal! Here’s one for Christ church Cathedral in Montreal. Notice the hooves. I think I read somewhere the floor of the church is checkered.

But also this is the Dutch/German image so here is a picture of a German style gargoyle for references sake.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/8561740@N08/7836219498

Nice

Sorry when I did a gargoyle search it came up and the immature child in me could not resist but to share.

jayheedan1

Sorry when I did a gargoyle search it came up and the immature child in me could not resist but to share.

“Ultimately, to generate funds for continuing work on the cathedral, he initiated a tax on hops (
thus raising the price of beer
), a move that may have influenced the grotesque ornamentation added by stone carvers at the base of his statue”
Yeah….I would have rebelled and balked, too….
=]

Happy/sad … wedding/funeral happens in church.

Disclaimer: Newish to this thread. Has the coin-like image on the opal been discussed? Similar to the old George V coins from early 1900’s..

Prime Minister MacDonald also created Yoho Park around Mount Stephen. (Mount Stephen is where I think the treasure is buried. The leg eater itself is too obvious. The legeater is in front of the Mount Stephens Club.) Also you need permission to dig at Mount Stephen in Yoho park. That is why he says get permission to dig.

@Funsun Lately I was pointing towards another solution but after listening to the Japanese translation podcast I’m starting to reconsider it, so I also got back to the most evident one, Mount Stephen. As other people were pointing out for the CHI and CLE solves, inside the pic there IS a physical object linking to the dig site. In MTL image there is none apart from the legeater. It must be there. And I think the asymmetrical collar of the guy could represent the asymmetrical steps of Mount Stephen’s staircase. Did anyone ever ask permission there? Also they completely destroyed the place to rebuild it if I’m not wrong; if it was in the front flower bed it’s most probably gone…
Another thing I’m missing. I was sure the solve I consider could match well with the MTL poem #5, but after the Japanese translation, where it is stated that LANE is a proper name for something, I am no longer sure about poem 5. Is there any chance it is not related to MTL? I cannot think of anything matching with Mount Stephen area…

The mountain outline on his hat at the right is Mount Stephen.

Unknown

Unknown:
Yes, it’s defintiley MacDonald.

Or Woody Allen.

Euhirudinea

Or Woody Allen.

Get with the program people!!! –
https://www.channel24.co.za/Movies/News … m-20151230

Thanks for pointing out! I couldn’t find anywhere the reference, not even in any wiki, so I thought it was not mentioned before.
(I laughed so hard for Woody Allen and Gerard Deparieu XD)

I had seen this before…but now have a slight connection…
This is what looks like a moth, in the hair of the weird-man.
In Montreal, just 4 miles from the legeater, is the Insectarium,
Insectarium de Montréal
4581 Sherbrooke Est
Montréal, Québec
Just trying to nail down the city location of image 9…

One would first have to have it, to then lose it Fox.
BTW, that image is in the book as well.
Pirates was the wrong word.  Bandits fit better.  This is
NO
different from the man and horse, here in image9.

I think you are losing it Boogie…3 guys?  Pirates?  I think I may see what you are talking about but do you think things like this would be noticed on the page in the book which is a lot smaller?  I really think we need to stick with the obvious here.

Image 9 / Verse 6 / Montreal brainstorming
Of all the romance retold
Men of tales and tunes
Cruel and bold
Seen here
By eyes of old
The original has:
If sailor tales to sailor tunes,
Storm and adventure, heat and cold,
If schooners, islands, and maroons,
And buccaneers, and buried gold,
And all the old romance, retold
Exactly in the ancient way,
Can please, as me they pleased of old
The wiser youngsters of today:
So be it, and fall on! If not,
If studious youth no longer crave,
His ancient appetites forgot,
Kingston, or Ballantyne the brave
Ballantyne the brave, or “bold”, was RM Ballantyne:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._M._Ballantyne
“At the age of 16 he went to Canada and was six years in the service of the Hudson’s Bay Company. He returned to Scotland in 1847, and published his first book the following year, Hudson’s Bay: or, Life in the Wilds of North America”
In Montreal, the Hudson’s Bay Company, or “The Bay”, is the building near the chequered design.
Stand and listen to the birds
Hear the cool, clear song of water
If this is referring to an actual song, it might be “Cool cool water” by the Beach Boys (“Have some cool clear water”) “Cool water” by Marty Robbins (“Cool, clear, water”), “The Tide River” by Charles Kingsley (“Clear and cool, clear and cool”) or something else.
Harken to the words:
Freedom at the birth of a century
Or May 1913
“La Liberte” was a newspaper which began in May 1913 in Winnepeg.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Libert%C3%A9_(Canada
)
The founder, an archbishop, died in Montreal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad%C3%A9lard_Langevin
Apart from Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation, another local possibility might be Claude Jodoin, born in May 1913 in Westmount Montreal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Jodoin
Edwin and Edwina named after him
Edwin At-water (can’t post this name properly here or it replaces it with “pregnant fisher” to avoid the expletive!) was a notable Montrealer with an avenue named after him, as well as a market and metro station. (In 1861 he served as the president of the Montreal Board of Trade. A different RM Ballantyne, also a notable Montrealer, later served as its vice-president.)
If you proceed down Sainte-Catherine from The Bay, you pass Drummond (legeater) and then At-water Avenue. Lincoln Avenue runs parallel to Sainte Catherine and crosses At-water a couple of blocks further along.
(Edwina -> Edwin A…? Possible tie-in with “song of water”.)
Or on the eighth a scene
Where law defended
Between two arms extended
Below the bar that binds
Beside the long palm’s shadow
Embedded in the sand
Waits the Fair remuneration
White house close at hand
Fair…Montreal World Fair…?
“The dominant Fair of this era arguably is Montreal’s Expo ’67. It was also during Expo ’67 that organizers started calling World’s Fairs “Expos” (Montreal’s Major League Baseball team, which played from 1969 until it moved to Washington, D.C. in December 2004, was named the Expos, in honor of the 1967 fair.)”

Fox,
Some obvious “checkerboard pattern” somewhere close by would be nice…
(I agree that the legeater is a very convincing anchor to Montreal.)
AP

nice eyes. i still think that that is our leg eater and can’t believe so many people are so desperate in putting this picture in another city. what more do you guys want?

What I am saying Fox is that if Verse 6 goes with this Image then the Muny area looks like it matches the verse. This assumes that this image goes to STL. While I am on the subject three potential clues we may be missing are the hands noes and shirt.

Unknown

Unknown:
In an email in 2003, Byron Preiss responded to an enquiry from a searcher, saying: “thanks! yes, there is a treasure in Canada.”
Way back, someone suggested Montreal as a possibility, and a local subsequently found the “dogleg” outside the George Stephen house in Rue Drummond.
This is a definite match, and it seems to be unique; no-one has ever found another. So for this reason Montreal is still the favourite for this image. However, unlike most of the other images, it’s never been tied down to a particular verse or park; it’s still wide open. And it might not even be Montreal, though the dogleg is pretty convincing.
The artist Palencar was from Cleveland, and suggested the location of the Cleveland casque. The editor Sean Kelly was from Montreal, so I’d have thought that he might at least be able to confirm whether BP hid a casque there, but I’ve not heard that anyone has ever contacted him. I think it’s worth trying. (As for Palencar, he’s made it quite clear that he doesn’t want to be contacted and won’t say anything.)
I put together an idea based on the nearest park to Rue Drummond, Park Percy Walters, which you might have seen, but there was no convincing evidence, and there’s good reason to link the verse I used (V2) to New Orleans instead (as it contains an obscure quotation relating to that city).
A certain amount of attention has also been focussed on Ile Sainte-Helene, with connections like a racetrack (chequered motif? Proximity to Habitat 67?)
No plausible interpretation of any verse in terms of Montreal has been found, though the Wiki is as good a place to start as any.
http://thesecret.pbworks.com
(At one time me and another searcher were also interested in the area around the Royal Victoria Hospital,which has links to George Stephen.)
The best chance of a breakthrough is recognising a reference in the verse or image that’s never been spotted before. Most of the images have been linked to a particular verse and park with a high degree of certainty, the problem in several cases being that the park (Lake Park in Milwaukee, Hermann Park in Houston) has since changed beyond recognition. So it ought at least be possible to tie this one down a bit more.
The image isn’t giving much away, though those knotted fingers look as if they might be hiding something.

This discussion must have more pages and less useful content than any other thread on the forum.
I recently heard from someone who is interested in the quest and will be in Montreal for a few days from this weekend. I sent him this summary. If anyone has anything they’d like to add, or would like to see photographed / dug up, I can pass it on…

An interesting sequence of events
1981
. J. J. Palencar paints a weirdo animal eating a hoof
Aug. 11, 2006
. ravel07 finds this guy hanging out at 1440 Drummond St., Montreal:
Aug. 12, 2006
. fox says “Lets research this thing to death.” FB says “Okay!!”
August, 2006 – March, 2007
. FB researches this thing to death. Many letters were written to vintage decorative iron dealers and lighting specialists describing the situation with enough detail to intrigue, yet not enough to spill all the beans. These letters are accompanied with full-color photographs of the lamps at Mount Stephen Club. A couple bear fruit.
March 30, 2007
. Wayne Fuller of Robinson Iron Corp, Alexander City, AL writes:
“The post shown in your pictures contains a portion of ornamental detail from
a J. W. Fiske Lamppost No. 470 C. in a historic catalog in our collection.
Fiske had showrooms in New York, Philadelphia and Washington, DC. The three
hooved/paws motif can often be found on posts of the period but as to their
meaning I am sorry to say I do not know. Perhaps you might consult The
Library of Congress or The Smithsonian Institute to find out more. Good Luck
in your pursuit.”
Accompanying his message is this little gem:
…which matches the middle section of our lamp perfectly, as you can see (but
not
the base or the upper half). I guess the bottom wasn’t ornate enough for Lord Mount Stephen. The base was either replaced with another part on-site, or else ordered from a newer catalog.
Finally having something to go on, FB roots up information on J. W. Fiske. Three sources present themselves: (1) 19th-century Fiske catalogs in the Library of Congress and elsewhere, (2) An article by Barbara Israel (
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1026/is_3_157/ai_60370500
) that is very much worth reading, and, mentioned in that article, (3)
a living descendant of J. W. Fiske who happens to have, in his possession, sales records for the company.
.
April, 2007
. Jubilant now, FB seeks said catalogs through interlibrary loans. He also writes Barbara Israel for more information. Armed with serial numbers or catalog numbers for specific items (like, hopefully, our ornate lamp base), he will approach Mr. Fiske himself and figure out who else – hopefully someone in St. Louis – ordered one of these things.
That’s an update. My search is active and ongoing, and I’ll post more here before too long, I hope.

An interesting sequence of events
1981
. J. J. Palencar paints a weirdo animal eating a hoof
Aug. 11, 2006
. ravel07 finds this guy hanging out at 1440 Drummond St., Montreal:
Aug. 12, 2006
. fox says “Lets research this thing to death.” FB says “Okay!!”
August, 2006 – March, 2007
. FB researches this thing to death. Many letters were written to vintage decorative iron dealers and lighting specialists describing the situation with enough detail to intrigue, yet not enough to spill all the beans. These letters are accompanied with full-color photographs of the lamps at Mount Stephen Club. A couple bear fruit.
March 30, 2007
. Wayne Fuller of Robinson Iron Corp, Alexander City, AL writes:
“The post shown in your pictures contains a portion of ornamental detail from
a J. W. Fiske Lamppost No. 470 C. in a historic catalog in our collection.
Fiske had showrooms in
New
York, Philadelphia and Washington, DC. The three
hooved/paws motif can often be found on posts of the period but as to their
meaning I am sorry to say I do not know. Perhaps you might consult The
Library of Congress or The Smithsonian Institute to find out more. Good Luck
in your pursuit.”
Accompanying his message is this little gem:
…which matches the middle section of our lamp perfectly, as you can see (but
not
the base or the upper half). I guess the bottom wasn’t ornate enough for Lord Mount Stephen. The base was either replaced with another part on-site, or else ordered from a newer catalog.
Finally having something to go on, FB roots up information on J. W. Fiske. Three sources present themselves: (1) 19th-century Fiske catalogs in the Library of Congress and elsewhere, (2) An article by Barbara Israel (
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1026/is_3_157/ai_60370500
) that is very much worth reading, and, mentioned in that article, (3)
a living descendant of J. W. Fiske who happens to have, in his possession, sales records for the company.
.
April, 2007
. Jubilant now, FB seeks said catalogs through interlibrary loans. He also writes Barbara Israel for more information. Armed with serial numbers or catalog numbers for specific items (like, hopefully, our ornate lamp base), he will approach Mr. Fiske himself and figure out who else – hopefully someone in St. Louis – ordered one of these things.
That’s an update. My search is active and ongoing, and I’ll post more here before too long, I hope.

Before you travel to Montreal–this is from an article about
Variety Iron Works, from York, Pennsylvania:
New York is also mentioned as a New Orleans iron supplier. Granted, that city did have foundries,
but it is well known that J. W. Fiske of New York, one of the largest suppliers of cast-iron fountains, urns and other garden furniture in the United States, had all of its ironwork manufactured by Variety Iron Works.
The company continued to thrive. In the 20th century many famous architects, such as John Meade Howells and Mellor, Meigs and Howe, kept on using Variety iron for structural and decorative purposes in the public buildings and private homes they designed. A Philadelphia office was soon opened, and the foundry’s work in iron, brass and steel can be found on and in banks, railroad stations, universities, post offices, hospitals and immense office buildings built there and elsewhere during the first half of the last century. Artisans were still being carefully trained in the 20th century, some through co-operative industrial apprenticeships in conjunction with York High School. In 1927, a student in the ornamental ironwork program would contract to work 5,400 hours over a three-year period. He was paid on a sliding scale of 7 cents to 15 cents an hour, but when he graduated he could look forward to a good job with the company.
The Variety Iron Works buildings have been used by other companies since the foundry closed in 1941. The brick office building with cast-iron lintels still stands on North Street, and the iron lions that guarded the gates are on display at York County Heritage Trust. In York and elsewhere, fences still mark boundaries, fountains spray and urns overflow with flowers. Lacy ironwork edges balconies and verandas. Feet tread up and down stairs graced with sturdy patterned railings. New Orleans, Philadelphia, Chicago,
St. Louis,
State College, York, all over the country – durable, solid metal cast in York by Yorkers is still holding strong.
So those same lamppost bases could be anywhere by now. Not only in Montreal….
ck

Before you travel to Montreal–this is from an article about
Variety Iron Works, from York, Pennsylvania:
New
York is also mentioned as a
New
Orleans
iron supplier. Granted, that city did have foundries,
but it is well known that J. W. Fiske of
New
York, one of the largest suppliers of cast-iron fountains, urns and other garden furniture in the United States, had all of its ironwork manufactured by Variety Iron Works.
The company continued to thrive. In the 20th century many famous architects, such as John Meade Howells and Mellor, Meigs and Howe, kept on using Variety iron for structural and decorative purposes in the public buildings and private homes they designed. A Philadelphia office was soon opened, and the foundry’s work in iron, brass and steel can be found on and in banks, railroad stations, universities, post offices, hospitals and immense office buildings built there and elsewhere during the first half of the last century. Artisans were still being carefully trained in the 20th century, some through co-operative industrial apprenticeships in conjunction with York High School. In 1927, a student in the ornamental ironwork program would contract to work 5,400 hours over a three-year period. He was paid on a sliding scale of 7 cents to 15 cents an hour, but when he graduated he could look forward to a good job with the company.
The Variety Iron Works buildings have been used by other companies since the foundry closed in 1941. The brick office building with cast-iron lintels still stands on North Street, and the iron lions that guarded the gates are on display at York County Heritage Trust. In York and elsewhere, fences still mark boundaries, fountains spray and urns overflow with flowers. Lacy ironwork edges balconies and verandas. Feet tread up and down stairs graced with sturdy patterned railings.
New
Orleans
, Philadelphia, Chicago,
St. Louis,
State College, York, all over the country – durable, solid metal cast in York by Yorkers is still holding strong.
So those same lamppost bases could be anywhere by now. Not only in Montreal….
ck

It is true that Fiske didn’t cast and forge their designs, but they did sell them, so if the record of “our” sale still exists anywhere, it is likely in the Fiske records. I was unable to determine whether Variety’s records still exist.
It is the hope that the Montreal lamp is *not* the one we are looking for, because there is nowhere to dig near it. Hence my search for other examples.

Maybe I will soon have to take my daughter on a very long walk here in St. Louis to look for that beast on the bottom of lampposts.

moreso out west, but the Micmac might.

anus905

only I solved Charleston to the location in the painting with that verse but w.e. lol

Using Verse 2…that White Rabbit was just using?
I thought you used Verse 2 for excavating the graveyard in St. Anthony’s Garden / New Orleans and Verse 6 when you dug up the casque in Charleston.
Either way….since you’ve already dug up the casque for verse 2, it absolutely
can’t
be a match for Montreal or image 9…

MrBackstop

Let me thrown this out there for discussion.
I’m not a Big Foot fan and not having a clue as to the reason for the Primate Profile in the top of the Monk’s hat, I find it interesting that Leif Erikson was the first known person to report Big Hairy Ape-like creatures in Canada when his crew arrived. Could this profile be a Sasquatch image being thrown in the mix for fun as a type of waymarker letting us know Image 9 is in Canada?
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Bigfoot is primarily associated with Washington and, to a lesser extent, British Columbia.

I think its the Ottawa river, that double hump is there. just the end, where it outlets into the Atlantic by MTL.

ok ive done it.
ive mapped out the connections derived from the
Garibaldi
Candelabra
(aka Legeater)…
it is originally from the Giardino
Garibaldi
in Palermo, Italy.
it was designed by the Oretea Foundry for the 1891 Exhibition in Palermo (part of the ten year long National Exhibition series).
it was part of an exhibition on electricity, with 73 exhibitors (35 Italian, 33 French & 5 german).
gold silver and bronze medals were awarded to top exhibitors (I assume this
candelabra
placed either gold or bronze).
the MSH is designed in Italian Renaissance fashion.
there is a park dedicated to
Garibaldi
in MTL, though it’s hard to tell if it’s particularly significant, unless we’re being taken through the rest of MTL (other than the GSM).
Giuseppe
Garibaldi
was one of the “Father’s of the Fatherland”…and a “Hero of the Two Worlds”…admired by intellectuals across the world…he was an explorer, trader, and National icon…with particular connections to NYC.
in fact, this clue may lead to a side track in the NYC puzzle.

anus905

moreso out west, but the Micmac might.

I didn’t want to bother Canada’s First Nation People about Bigfoot, so I just googled “Canadian Sasquatch” instead and found this

YES! found the overarching connecting.
Garibaldi
‘s personal chaplain inspired the Gavazzi Riots in Montreal!!! damn, Preiss is Go(o)d.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavazzi_Riots

annnnd all that points toward my location as bein absolutely correct!!!
if you can keep on following the symbolism…

this is the final connection, quite the road to get there though! so brilliant.

Looks like a future episode of “Destination
Elusive
Truth” starring Josh….and Josh.

On this guy’s clothing is a “dogleg,” which is a road that has a sharp bend in it.
There also appears to be a musical note hidden in the flower.
He appears to be making some type of letter or sign with his hands.  Any ideas?
What is that symbol above the dogleg?  I don’t have the book right now, and I’m just looking at the pic on the internet.

fyi beaver hall itself burned down in 1847. it was the home of joseph frobisher (chairman of the beaver club and board member of the nwc).
i do believe the building in the poster you linked is the bell telephone building. and the beaver hall group operated out of 305 beaver hall hill.

hey gman just made it to beaver hall hill, though not directly to 305.

i skipped a whole bunch and went back to finish it, and found the first and general beaver connection:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaver_Club

note the beaver club predates the square milers which is from where the golden square mile gets its name.
so damn good.

Ok.  I’ve been through this thread three times now.  I core dump every time, so i will likely ask again for the same info.  Dame thread is getting cosmic in size.
So, was up way too late looking into all things Notre Dame related.  Decided the best fit is found in verse 2.  Things i like about it:  ‘sovereign’ works well with ‘basilica’ and ‘king of kings’ the competting ‘touchdown jesus’ in Ohio vs the ‘word of life’ mural version of ‘touchdown jesus’ in Notre Dame, Basileus Basileon.  Gnomes, touchdown? Knute Rockne sounds very gnommish for a name…was he a Knome??!  Is NOtre daME a “gnome”??
I like the end to end, middle of 21 as a football field reference, but im more interested in finding a plot of 21 trees.  Too bad the Clark Memorial Fountain in the middle of a 21 tree plot wasnt built til 86.
The blob to the right of the legeater looks more and more like an homage to the Grotto in Lourdes.  The small block between the “feet” looks like a good match with the altar.  The arch has a small line n the middle possibly representing Our Lady.  The hands together forming the steeple gesture are also similar to Our Lady’s hands in upright prayer position.
Three stand watch….could be a lot o things.  15 rows to the ground and the legeater have me thinking there is a stair and a lamp post and a view of the basilica…

Just checking info.  Touchdown Jesus in Notre Dame was installed in 1964.  Ohio’s was 2004.

animal_ painter pointed out that the leg eater in the image is inside a golden square, like golden square mile in montreal.
in the image the leg is outside the square, and when i look at a map, it looks to me like mount st. stephen’s club is right outside the golden square mile.
is this how you all see it?
i saw a picture of the steps going up the mountain, it even said “zig zags sur le mont royal”  and “stairway to heaven”  (on google earth)
couldn’t the zig zag steps be the neck of the dress?
here’s a picture:
http://flickr.com/photos/appaloosa/53748665/
ravel07, are these steps on the other side of the big cross?
that’s not quite what i mean……are they across the mountain or park, on opposite sides of the park from each other?

I believe they are only one one side, i.e. the one close(ish) to the Mount Stephen Club. As it says in the text below the picture, they start on des Pins St. at the end of Peel St., which is pretty far (about five big blocks) from Mount Stephen. And if you look on Google Map, they do zig zag, but not really in the shape of the collar.

Nice find!
Also interesting – it was registered in the US National Register of Historic Places on April 9, 1980. That would be right around when BP was hiding treasures. If this building is one of his clues, he would have picked it because he knew it could not be torn down once it was registered as historic.