wk
Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:29 pm
I have been trying to demonstrate the positions of the moons in image 1 to show how they are sequenced in their zodiac sign positions.
It is just possible if you can visualise that moon 11 is nearest to the front even though it appears to be behind the mountain rock.
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maltedfalcon
Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:35 pm
I kinda see what your trying to do
but still don’t know how you got your order.
and I will point out 1 and 4 are in the same section
wk
Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:00 am
I have now added the month numbers, image numbers and the zodiac segments which match the order of the verse numbers previously obtained from the moon sizes.
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erexere
Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:53 pm
Ive found that the verse does more to advertise the location and the reasons for that location than the illustrations. Although they contain some necessary and confirming visuals, they are more like false advertising.
I think the natural tendency to trust what we see gets in the way of our minds before it has a chance to process the actual ideas expressed in the verse. Preiss really played on our assumptions, I’m sure.
wk
Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:37 pm

erexere

Ive found that the verse does more to advertise the location and the reasons for that location than the illustrations. Although they contain some necessary and confirming visuals, they are more like false advertising.
I think the natural tendency to trust what we see gets in the way of our minds before it has a chance to process the actual ideas expressed in the verse. Preiss really played on our assumptions, I’m sure.

maltedfalcon

The idea is that the image contains everything you need to get to the treasure ground. The treasure ground being defined as the spot where the verse takes over to guide you to the casque location. To do this Each image contains latitude/Longitude that generally define a box around the city that contains the treasure ground. Based on the 2 found images and adding in San Francisco, there are several things we know will be in the image:
A well known place to start
, Iconic Image
(Chicago Water Tower, Cleveland Terminal Tower, Golden Gate Park)
A path
the iconic image is located on a particular street
(Michigan Blvd, Euclid Ave, 34th Ave)
The Path’s end
a picture in the image to tell you where the path stops,
(Bowman, Triangle, Lincoln)
Possible path direction
The direction the figure faces may tell you which way to go on the path.
Casque Site Confirmer Images
Things you can see from the burial spot
(fence post, Wall, parking lot)
Treasure Ground Confirmer Images
Things you can see from the treasure ground
(fountain, Pillars, Barred Window, among others)
Maps
, maps are hidden in the image
(State, State, Park)
Fountains
, each image contains a view of a nearby fountain

Now that we have identified the cities, the verses take you to the exact location. What is missing in my view is a narrowing of the location within the city before you apply the verse. I think the image gives this by concealing district boundaries, and roads which I have confirmed with Chicago.
I also like this summary from the thread called “an elegant simple solution”

erexere
Sun Aug 10, 2014 9:17 pm
Thanks wk, I really liked that as well. Its one of the finest breakdowns that one could expect given what has been learned from Cleveland and Chicago, but I consider it incomplete because I dont think ALL the details if hose locations have been discovered.
maltedfalcon
Sun Aug 10, 2014 9:33 pm

erexere

Ive found that the verse does more to advertise the location and the reasons for that location than the illustrations. Although they contain some necessary and confirming visuals, they are more like false advertising.
I think the natural tendency to trust what we see gets in the way of our minds before it has a chance to process the actual ideas expressed in the verse. Preiss really played on our assumptions, I’m sure.

Totally 100% disagree,
The verses actually tend to be so vague, that even when we know the city, we tend to find multiple multiples of things that fit the verse.
besides unless you actually find a casque, assuming you really understand how a verse works is an obvious fallacy.

erexere
Sun Aug 10, 2014 9:52 pm
I agree. I’m sorry to flaunt that assumption without showing proof.
wk
Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:31 am
I have only just realised that the markings on the lower part of the window in image 11 are the symbol for turning as seen on a volume control knob.
Glossiphoniidae
Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:36 am

wk

All comments welcome…

Well, I’m not quite ready to make Rain Man comparisons
, but you aren’t that guy from 23 yet either
.
I’ve spent a many hours and worked through many spreadsheets trying to make sense of the different numbering systems in the book, but it looks like you’ve cooked something up that actually works. I’ve got some really nice character/word/line counts and alignment sheets for the verses, which are pretty interesting – if you’d like them let me know. I’m still at a loss trying to see the different sizes and the orbits, but I won’t say this doesn’t make sense as a way to find the solution. I do very much appreciate the latest graphical attempt at explanation and am still contemplating it.I wouldn’t at all doubt that BP put something in the book to this affect, mathematical and all.
Part of the way I am trying to test your theory is by utilizing the pairing it provides. I’ve started with Montreal and V2, but it’s been rough. The best find so far has been the Midget Palace next to the Garden of Wonders. Check ’em out, and thanks for sharing your ideas!
edit… just found this:
https://www.google.com/maps/@45.498906,-73.5662588,286m/data=!3m1!1e3
cosmic bird dump on a satellite windshield ?

DocZ
Thu Jul 31, 2014 5:26 am
Well if I am right and Verse 6 goes with New York, then your whole system is shot.
DocZ
Thu Jul 31, 2014 5:36 am
And don’t the Longitude and Latitude coordinates on Image 11 rule out Boston?
erexere
Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:31 pm
wk, I don’t see that. I believe the window is actually a straight length of sidewalk that’s been disguised as a circle. I don’t think we’ll ever find a perfect match to this since many sidewalks have undergone maintenance and may have new or different lines/separations.
WhiteRabbit
Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:43 pm

DocZ

And don’t the Longitude and Latitude coordinates on Image 11 rule out Boston?

Not really; 42 is clear, 71 plausible.

wk
Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:08 pm
The 11 moons in image 1 are all different sizes and complement the mountainous rocks to give the impression of a sci-fi world where the moons are viewed orbiting above a planet.
I read somewhere on this forum that the original drawings were one foot by two feet but in the book this drawing is narrower than the others and is reduced to a few inches so it is not easy to determine all the sizes. If you use a tablet to view the image it is possible to zoom in on the moons. Here is my attempt to number them.
Notice that size number 9 is missing. This is because it is on image 11 as a halo around a star, and a number 9 even can be seen above the star carved on the window frame stones.
Next, the image and verses, although not numbered in the book have been known as image 1 to 12 and verse 1 to 12. But what order or sequence is best. In each image there can also be found a separate number which is the month number because each image has a gemstone and flower associated with a birth month. Also there are counts or clocks that have been identified in each image to confirm the month. So ordering the images in month order is one way of sequencing the images.
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Month order    1  2 3 4  5 6 7  8 9 10 11 12
image          3 10 4 2  5 1 8 11 6  9 12  7
verse          11 8 4 5 12 7 1  3 9  2 10  6
moon size      11 8 4 5 12 7 –  3 –  2 10  6 <-- moon orbit
As you can see in the last row above, 1 and 9 are missing.
To complete the puzzle sequence, moon size 1 and 9 need to be in the correct place. This is achieved by using the moon and star with halo on image 11. The star itself is size 1. The markings around the stone show how much to turn clockwise to get the size 9 halo in place.
The arched window has to be moved to position the size 1 first using the lines where the window frame stones join, and then again to position the 9.
This final picture contains all the verse numbers. The sequence is clockwise starting with moon 11.
The moon on image 11 is telling you where the sequence starts.
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Verse 11 Roanoke Island ……..image  3
Verse  8 Milwaukee ………….image 10
Verse  4 Cleveland ………….Image  4
Verse  5 Charleston …………Image  2
Verse 12 Chicago ……………Image  5
Verse  7 San Francisco ………image  1
Verse  1 Houston ……………image  8
Verse  3 Boston …………….image 11
Verse  9 St Augustine ……….image  6
Verse  2 Montreal …………..image  9
Verse 10 New York …………..image 12
Verse  6 New Orleans ………..Image  7
erexere
Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:31 pm
Nicely presented. I’m not in full agreement with you’re take on it, but I think you’ve made some progress by taking note of the range of sizes and positions. I like the idea of P11 being involved with the arrangement. Do you think the spheres on P4 or P8 could also be significant in some way?
wk
Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:51 pm
Yes, I am already working on the image 11 bubbles and spherical objects. More bubbles on image 3 to give a nice range of sizes.
wk
Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:01 pm
The unsolved moon size 1 was left behind because I allocated the star as size number 1. I now think a better solution is to rotate the moons from image 1 to the same tilt(24 Degrees) as the axis on the globe in image 11. This puts moon size 1 in the same correct position as before.
Egbert
Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:22 am
Really nice work wk.
I am not seeing how you are getting the “orbit order,” though.
For example, how is Moon 8 closer in orbit than Moon 4?
Why are you saying Moon 6 is farther away than all of the other moons?
Maybe I am not understanding where the center point of the orbit is supposed to be?