Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:56 am
it is something to remember with all that
are left.
I believe that all of the images are maps.
All of the jewels and where they are positioned on
the image pin point the buried casques.
I have the map of the site that matches exactly
image 9. It is a work of beauty.
We known that Cleveland and Chicago and Milwaulkee
and City Zoo are maps of varying perspectives and distances from
ground level. So that makes five of the tweleve.
And a strong suspision of Charlestown.
Review the left over images and see them as maps.
(keep in mind that it could be as close as a zoo map
or as far as the Charlestown road map)
Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:22 am
Image 1 – San Francisco, CA (in dragon’s scales)
Image 2 – Charleston, SC (on mask)
Image 3 – Roanoke Island, NC (island outline)
Image 4 – Ohio (state outline)
The others are just conjectural as far as I’m concerned. If I were the artist I think I would be very tempted to include something map-like in every image, and to make it as obscure as possible, but I haven’t seen any hard evidence for maps in images past 4. What is it about Images 4 and 5 that tell you that the position of the jewel pinpoints their actual locations? Since we know precisely where those two casques were found, can you use those as evidence for your theory? If you’re right, the rest should fall like dominoes…
Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:35 pm
but image 8 and image 9 are what I will refer to as Venue
map representations… not the kind from mapquest or a road
atlas, but the kind you would pick up at the entrance to find your way.
Like this selection for image 9.
Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:45 pm
The spires are above the grandstand along the race track
(where the hands are clasped)
Not identified in this image, but above and to the right,
just before gate 1, is a huge statue of Aristedes, the first
winner of the Derby, who was ridden by a negro jockey.
Aristedes, like the pin, is orientated as facing the race track.
Running away from the paddock.
To the left is a identified garden area.
This makes the upper portion of this pavillion,
where the hat is in the image, the paddock.
I am sure Wilhouse has seen a similar map of the zoo
which outlines where the totems and the animals are
housed.
These images are certainly a different perspective
than street level (like Milwaukee) or city level
(like Charelstown).
Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:48 am
So to add to the list above, Image 8:Â map of the Houston Hermann Park children’s zoo.
wilhouse
Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:42 pm
Trohn
I am sure Wilhouse has seen a similar map of the zoo
which outlines where the totems and the animals are
housed
MP was very sneaky on image 8. The zoo animals on the totems are not in the CZ, but in the zoo proper, though oriented in the same directions as the totems. also, the fountain was never part of any maps, nor were the totems. finally, the totem with the sphere is, IMHO, really the globe lights hanging from the party house. when you look from one specific spot, they appear to be on top of a pillar that is outside of the party room.
Image 8 depends on your perspective, but if the jewel is where I think it is, then it is a map.
wilhouse
Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:32 pm
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Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:22 pm
forest_blight
Your link doesn’t take me anywhere, but you may be thinking of the cup, which matches the fountain in the Italian garden. The helmet must be something else.
I was told by the Greek Garden caretakers that there used to be 2 large urns or cups on either side of the wall. It could be that the helmet was what they looked like. I also think that explains the word “couplet” in the verse.
“Liberty” sits better with me too, rather than “Bellflower.” I guess we’ll never know.
On your map, you may also want to include St. Louis.
Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:44 am
Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:04 pm
to do about water but about immigration. (Case in point,
Chicago and Milwaukee would not be considered ‘ports’)
While Louisville is on the Ohio River, its inclusion within this
hypothesis should be that Churchill Downs (actually the Louisville
Jockey Club) was established to replicate the Ebsom Derby of England.
It is the oldest continuously running horse race in America.
As was said in another thread, the only real convincing is pulling it out of
the ground… or as another friend said..”Never fear, it is there. Have faith.”
I started this particular thread to help with the remaining images. While I have
this particular site for a little over a month, it has only been in the last few days
that I have recognized the specifics in the image as a representation of a map.
As Wilhouse stated, BP is particularly clever in disguising it. All of the jewels are
placed in their particular images for a purpose. Originally I had thought the images
would only get you close and the verses would guide you, but now I see that
you really do not need one OVER the other, each reinforces as long as you are
seeing from the perspective the Preiss is seeing.
I image that Preiss went to his sites, buried the casques, took his photos, and then went
back to Brooklyn armed with his memeory, his photos, an atlas and schetched out the
clues. He selected sites with history and longevity at his disposal.
Back to the gnome…
HAT HAT HAT jewel HAT HAT
[paddock area/stalls]
flower                 X pin
[garden-no longer exists]Â Â Â Â Â [gate 15,turnstyles]
e
s
r
o
h
[statue of Aristedes,first winner
ridden by negro jocky,with this
orientation – running towards track]
hands
[two steeples,
above the grandstands]
My aim here is to not argue for this site, because I have no doubts about this is where it is,
like Wilhouse, extracting it, may be a completely another tail, but the interest at the site is high.
My aim is to use what we know, that is common, and nail down the remaining maps of the remaining
sites.
Sat Apr 15, 2006 5:56 pm
Sat Apr 15, 2006 6:41 am
Am I the only one? I still think, as Cat conjectured so long ago, that all of the casques will be buried in port cities.
Sat Apr 15, 2006 6:48 pm
I’m sorry I cannot support horse racing as being in the same theme as the Fairy People in the book.
Sat Apr 15, 2006 6:54 pm
That brings the total in the map to 12, and that doesn’t include the Canadian casque, which we think may lie in Vancouver or Quebec.
Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:27 pm
forest_blight
For example, are masks used in P2 simply because they evoke African art, or could there be some more specific reason?
Dont forget, Charleston is the “Ellis Island” for the African Americans.
Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:16 pm
“Greece + triangle = Euclid… therefore Euclid Ave. in Cleveland.”
How about:
“Africa + mask = ___?___… therefore… ___?___.”
That kind of logic.
Sun Apr 16, 2006 3:42 pm
First is a question about the quote by John Jude Palencar from Egbert’s
Plain Dealer
article: “There was something to do with the helmet that the centaur wears, but I can’t remember what. My God, it’s 22 years later.” Did anyone ever figure that one out? Does the helmet resemble anything from the Greek or Italian gardens? This could be important for solving the others.
The second is not a question so much as a clarification of the reasoning I think went into making P4. The
Plain Dealer
article states, “The flower and the tiny bell … stand for Bellflower Road, which is just southeast of the Greek garden.” I don’t think this is true. To me, the bell is a clue that the “L” stands for “Liberty,” the former name of Martin Luther King, Jr. Drive (which the article also states). So that accounts nicely for the presence of the bell in P4 – a very good clue indeed. It strikes me as odd to
also
use it in conjunction with the daffodil to form “Bellflower Road.” By my estimation Bellflower Rd. is an obscure little road 1.6 miles away (as the fairy flies) from the Greek and Italian Cultural Gardens, with many intervening roads, and hence cannot be a clue or confirmer of any sort. The flower (which we know is a daffodil, not a generic flower) is merely the birthflower of March and has no other significance to the solution.
Third, the “ball and triangle” apparently pulls double-duty in P4. First, the
Plain Dealer
article claims it is a clue to Euclid Ave. (Euclid being the father of geometry) and to the month of March (aquamarine’s month), since triangles have three sides and there is nothing else in P4 to denote March. But the ball and triangle would never have evoked “Euclid”
had the theme of this picture not been Greek
. There may be some value in trying to interpret aspects of the pictures in light of the relevant cultures. To recap, these are:
P1
: China
P2
: Africa
P3
: England
P4
: Greece
P5
: Ireland
P6
: Spain
P7
: France
P8
: Arabia
P9
: Holland
P10
: Germany
P11
: Italy
P12
: Russia
In P4, knowing the relevant culture could actually help one solve the puzzle (Greek garden, Euclid). Was the same true of Chicago? Any other picture? In Verse 8 we have a mention of “wonderstone’s hearth,” which leads us to
G
ermany. So there are precedents for this idea, but can we use these to generate new ideas? For example, are masks used in P2 simply because they evoke African art, or could there be some more specific reason?
Sun Apr 16, 2006 4:37 am
Trohn
X pin
[gate 15,turnstyles]
?? X = 10. Dont get me wrong Trohn, I would LOVE to see another casque unearthed….it just doesnt feel right to me like some of the other leads.
Good Luck,
Sun Apr 16, 2006 7:44 pm
forest_blight
…First is a question about the quote by John Jude Palencar from Egbert’s
Plain Dealer
article: “There was something to do with the helmet that the centaur wears, but I can’t remember what. My God, it’s 22 years later.” Did anyone ever figure that one out? Does the helmet resemble anything from the Greek or Italian gardens? This could be important for solving the others…
Was it the fountain (upside-down)? Actually, the chalice looks more like the fountain….I could be wrong.
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Sun Apr 16, 2006 7:50 pm