Several interesting things have come up regarding Milwaukee…  First, the fact that three major figures in Army history have homes (or landmarks) there: Capt. Pabst, Gen. Mitchell, And Army Surgeon E.B. Wolcott, all from long ago (at a distance in time).  The important thing about this is that all of these are extremely distinct landmarks that characterize Milwaukee as being Milwaukee.  Second, That Grand Avenue is now W. Wisconsin, which is separated from E. by a bridge spanning the Milwaukee river, and the address of the City Hall is on the former Oneida St., now E. Wells.  Pabst, being a ship’s captain, may have a historic compass on his property, or in some lake michigan sailing commemorative.  My thought here is in verse one, where it says “At a distance in time From three who lived there at a distance in in Space from Woman…”  (The harpsichord grammatically is related to the three, not the woman, despite its placement in the stanza, so I am ignoring that for now); effectively, this is like saying, ‘I am about X minutes away from X landmark, which is Y feet/yards from Y landmark…’  This is an EXACT description of the Court of Honor, which at one end has the Soldier’s Monument (depicting three soldiers making a gallant charge), which by the way is in visible distance from the washington monument, which in addition to George, has a statue of a woman and child at its base (surrounded by a fence).  I found an awesome website, the Miwaukee Public Library’s digital archives of antique photos depicting events or landmarks of historic significance in Milwaukee, and short articles about the background of the photos.
http://content.mpl.org/index.php 
I need help with a particular aspect of this area: there is abuilding that looks like a church, on the corner of 10th and W.Wisconsin, but NO INFORMATION exists on it! (?)  What is it?  It is depicted in most antique postcards and photos of Grand Avenue, but no clues exist as to its name or function.
–Typler

Also, about The Country of Wonderstone’s Hearth: Every country except for L, O, Q, X, and Y have volcanoes.  Germany is not one of these.

what?  volcanoes??????????  it would be good to put this idea under Milwaukee Update…
-regulus

What about the juggling?  What about the fact that the view of the courthouse in the painting is from the backside?  Any ideas?

Oh and i forgot to mention… a Pace, as in a step taken, is the distance between each time your right foot hits the ground (or your left, depending on which you prefer to count)… On average, your steps are farther apart going down hill, and closer together going up hill.  The average distance between them is about one meter;  However, a human being usually takes between 50 and 70 steps to equal 100m.  I am 5’10 and my 100m pacecount is about 67 steps (where my right foot hits the ground).  That was measured carrying about 25lbs. of extra weight, which included a shovel, coincidentally, and where I was wearing boots (the ankle support figures into this by how much your ankles will carry you with each step).  By the way– why is Germany the country of wonderstone’s hearth?  Why couldn’t it be Spain?  Or England?

But this isn’t a pointless thread– the information in it is brand new, and is in reference to a different topic.

the information is indeed new but it relates to the milwaukee casque. why not put it in a thread already created for milwaukee?

animal painter has dug in Lake Park, but not near the beach house area… however, she has searched near the beach house area… just not dug.
She dug at the base of a tree that had an unmistakable “G” that appeared to be carved into it.
-regulus

I’m more convinced by the tree with a “D” in it.  That would better fit the idea that BP used natural landmarks that wouldn’t have been easily spotted without a clue, by which i mean things that a typical observer might not have given a thought if they DIDN’T pursue the Secret.  I mean, seriously… who would look at a tree with a knothole and think: “There’s treasure nearby?”  Probably not the same person intensely perusing the Milwaukee forests looking for “a letter from the country of wonderstone’s hearth…”  D for Deutscheland!  I’m Sold!

Kuh-Lai-Bah-Ti

I mean, seriously… who would look at a tree with a knothole and think: “There’s treasure nearby?”

only those poor saps {pun intended} who worked on A Treasures Trove.
I really like that “D” as well…but, as KLBT stated, digging around tree bases can be very difficult indeed.

I wuld have done, but I don’t like the way this forum is arranged, and i didn’t want anyone to miss thiss because it was at the bottom of page 27, or whatever.

And for all of you who keep hounding me to read through the nearly 9000 posts, I would like to say that I find the more current information much more useful that the past, because it is less speculative and inchoate.

Trust me, it will be worth your time to read them. Creation of new threads is just unnecessary, especially when there are already threads dedicated to each verse and painting.
Personally, I find some of the forums on tweleve.org are impossible to navigate because there are so many pointless threads, and we collectively decided it would be a bad idea to replicate that awful mess here.

Hey, long time reader, first time poster in this forum.  Just got my copy of The Secret in the mail, and was wondering:
Since the Milwaukee hunt seems so close, has anybody considered writing to the publisher about this? (especially if the casque is, indeed, under the retaining wall)  There is a form in the back of the book that states that if you know the location, but can’t dig up the casque, the authors will dig it up for you (if you’re right).  You’ll get the jewel, but they keep the casque.
Now I know this takes away a lot of the fun of actually digging up a casque, but if it is under the retaining wall, then at least the hunt would be solved and we could move onto another of the cities.

The author passed away a couple of years ago, and it is very unlikely the publisher would honor his wishes on that score. Besides, it WOULD take away from the fun, which is why most of us are doing this.
There is
nothing
like the feeling of digging for buried treasure in a spot found through perseverance and wit. Absolutely nothing.*
*
yes, we came up empty, but I wouldn’t trade that experience!

welcome officially to the hunt daniel. i would agree with what blight said.  .  .    but, what you bring up is quite similar to my reasoning on the houston treasure. without confirmation of some kind by jjp or the like, when do we determine our solution is right and move on to the next pairing?

Kuh-Lai-Bah-Ti

I wuld have done, but I don’t like the way this forum is arranged, and i didn’t want anyone to miss thiss because it was at the bottom of page 27, or whatever.

I don’t miss new information at the bottom of page 27, because (a) new info bumps the thread to the top of the list, and (b) I start reading from the last page of a thread, where the NEW info is easy to find.

Maybe we shuld start digging in landfills around wher JJP does his paintings to see if we can find the Polaroids…

Very well.  New question… who has dug in Lake Park, and where?  If you have dug anywhere else in Milwaukee, it would be helpful to note that as well…  FB, you indicated several places where you have definitely found nothing… Animal Painter and Shadowrunner have done the same… To recap what everyone knows so far, it is definitely in Lake Park, more than likely in a ravine, and more than likely beneath a tree, possibly a birch…  However, Milwaukee, though it is ranked next to Mesa Arizona in terms of least amount of susceptibility to natural disasters, has had flooding and a string of no less than 27 Tornadoes, which could have easily ruined any chance of finding anything.

I’ve dug only once – next to that big tree by Lincoln Memorial Drive in Lake Park.

I’ve dug once also, at the base of a tree across Lincoln Memorial Drive, then ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the way down the beach, and past the beach house, at the base a HUGE birch tree.  Came up empty handed also, BUT IT’S THE JOURNEY, NOT THE DESTINATION!!!!!!!
-regulus

Thanks regulus.  But as many of our ‘journeys’ have crossed over each other (yes–they certainly have), I am interested only in places where someone has dug.  Wow, FB, I would have thought there were more places that you dug… it certainly seemed that way…oh well.
Okay, anyone else?

Maybe I’m just good at making people think I know what I’m talking about
While I haven’t dug elsewhere, I have been to the Chicago site a couple of times and some locations I *think* are related to
The Secret
, including lower Manhattan, Charleston’s White Point Gardens and Fts. Moultrie and Sumter, Coit Tower in San Francisco, the French Quarter in New Orleans, and Ft. Raleigh and the Elizabethan Gardens on Roanoke Island. Man o man, if I’d only known about
The Secret
when my family took a trip to St. Augustine in the late 1980s…
And can I just say how cool it is to meet other hunters? I have met stercox, fox, Pine Tree, and Voltaire in person and they are all sterling individuals. If you have a chance to meet other hunters, take it.

It’s not that you make people think you know more than you do, it’s just that you put out a lot of ‘definites.’  And if you just HAPPEN to be referring to me by that comment, let me remind you– the only things I’ve posted are questions about what is there, and factual information that I’ve found, which seems directly related to Milwaukee.  Granted, I have posted in other threads, but only to pass comment on the overall structure of a particular location, not to offer any “it is-” or “is not there’s.”

Speaking of that beach house (the one near Juneau park), that structure piqued my interest because it is connected to the park by a bridge over LMD, which ends in the woods of the park at a staircase.  Any one dig in that area?  Besides Regulus?

or a steeplechase race, trohn

fox

personally i not once smited trohn.  i also believe that most of them were done in good fun. it has been a running joke with his horse theory. nothing personal my friend trohn.

Nothing personal, nothing gained
Keeping me honest is a full time job.
Made me tighten up my solve – and fingure out that he didn’t
bury it in one of the reconstructed areas.
“Its all in good fun, until someone eyes a lost.”

What does everyone think of this?
“A girl playing the virginals, or as here, a harpsichord, was one of the most popular subjects with Dutch 17th-century painters
” And: “
The Queen Anne-style table and chairs are mahogany as is the woodwork. The ceiling is covered with silver leaf. Objects of interest include a French marble fountain purchased at an exhibition in Paris.
The large, four-fold Chinese teakwood screen is embellished with 12 cloisonné panels representing each month of the year, using the fruit, twig and flower of the month
.
” And, of course “
The Allis living room is labeled the French Parlor because nearly all of the art and furniture are from France. The woodwork is Circassian walnut; the ceiling is covered with stained silver leaf, and the walls are covered in stretched silk damask. The room contains Barbizon School paintings, bronzes of animals and birds, a pair of Louis XIV chairs, and a 1900 Steinway piano that Mrs. Allis played regularly.
”  All of this is in ONE place in Milwaukee.

Photos I’ve seen but didn’t post.  They are from 1974.
Note the access allowed back then.
Or see them full size here:
http://travel.webshots.com/album/67560885xfFeBn
And finally, don’t forget the track mascot:  Churchill Charlie
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/13 … 2073112091
Also, the historical marker referencing (hinting at) Lewis and Clark linage:
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/11 … 1017605245

The only thing that links these quotes with the Milwaukee verse is the mention of a harpsichord. But that part came from a web page about the National Gallery in London. Does a replica hang in the Allis Museum?
The Charles Allis Museum seems very nice, and is close to Lake Park, but stercox checked it over thoroughly (in person) in 2006 and couldn’t find any definitive links to our hunt.

What about Villa Terrace?  That is another place which shares characteristics.  Harpsichord could easily mean a piano, as they are similar instruments…

Oops, sorry – I meant Villa Terrace (that’s the place stercox checked out). You’re right that ‘harpsichord’ could be an oblique reference to a piano.

Well, like I said, Villa Terrace and Charles Allis are alike in terms of their art collections, except Villa has a bigger yard (which I’m sure he mentioned has a tram from the top of the hill to the bottom…)  The thing I noticed about Allis, was that the picture of the 1900 Steinway has, atop it, a picture of Sarah Allis playing it (which she was known to do frequently…) As for ‘Woman with Harpsichord’ I would not doubt that since 17th Century Dutch paintings have that as a popular subject, and the fact that Milwaukee has a great deal of Dutch influence, you could find a copy of something similar SOMEWHERE… If I were looking, I would look in the Charles Allis or Villa Terrace as a safe bet.  I mentioned the Chinese screen because of that symbol… itis prevalent in Chinese architecture as a cutout, usually in wooden borders on either side of an entry… In fact I saw it about a million times in the movie “Fearless.”

personally i not once smited trohn.  i also believe that most of them were done in good fun. it has been a running joke with his horse theory. nothing personal my friend trohn.

Because the information is new, and is unrelated to the information in the other Milwaukee threads (except mine).  By the way, did you know that foxes are bad luck?  In fact, they are they worst omen someone can get in Japan.  They are called ‘Kitsune,’ and they can not only talk to the dead, but they can use magic that creates illusions.  At one time, foxes were killed on sight because their magic only leads one to ruin–it is a metaphor, one could say, for trusting superficial, or illusory things (which could very well destroy your soul, if you think of a soul as a force of intent or purpose within a human life).  Foxes are also bad luck to themselves by the same right, because they are too clever for their own good.  The term ‘vixen,’ a female fox, is even used to mean “a malignant or shrewish woman” in our OWN culture.

Kuh-Lai-Bah-Ti

Because the information is new, and is unrelated to the information in the other Milwaukee threads (except mine).  By the way, did you know that foxes are bad luck?  In fact, they are they worst omen someone can get in Japan.  They are called ‘Kitsune,’ and they can not only talk to the dead, but they can use magic that creates illusions.  At one time, foxes were killed on sight because their magic only leads one to ruin–it is a metaphor, one could say, for trusting superficial, or illusory things (which could very well destroy your soul, if you think of a soul as a force of intent or purpose within a human life).  Foxes are also bad luck to themselves by the same right, because they are too clever for their own good.  The term ‘vixen,’ a female fox, is even used to mean “a malignant or shrewish woman” in our OWN culture.

And people rode horses on fox hunts.
(Its fun to have new blood.)

What do you mean by that?  (The horses bit)  I also saw that someone designated a definite gender distinction in the verse 8 line “from woman;”  while I am on the subject of Milwaukee, there WERE a convent, a girl’s school, and a girl’s reformatory, not to mention the third woman doctor ever granted a certification or whatever (the wife of EB Wolcott).

nah…even a sizable plexiglas box wouldn’t really harm a tree if it were buried beneath its roots. The danger would be more to the box than the tree. The roots would simply grow around it, through it and over it.  Many many trees and plants are ‘controlled’ in their growth habits by burying bricks, plastic sheeting, plastic edging or other restraints around the root systems.
Even so, digging at the base of any tree, no matter how young and pliable the roots, is a dicey proposition–roots are tangly and pervasive and you can’t simply dig down through them. Anyone who’s ever  tried to dig in their yard where a tree USED to be can attest to that one. I would not believe Preiss buried something the size of the casque in the box at the base of any tree myself. Too difficult.

Yes it can, especially when you consider that a tree’s root system is almost equal in diameter, lushness, and… mirrors the height of, the branches.

the author also didn’t expect the hunt to go on this long… he expected the first treasure to be found within a month… so maybe a tree is possible, but who knows.  the only way to find out is to DIG!
-regulus

That’s the point– a tree is unlikely at any age to have something buried beneath it, not in the least for the fact that the damage incurred to a young tree’s roots would be HIGHLY detrimental to it.. Although, I would probably be looking for a half-dead tree based on that knowledge alone…

That’s what I as saying… But I meant the shovel would chop them to bits with the force applied…
At least the little ones…

By the way, I’m seriously thinking of watching the entire collection (at least through season 5 before they moved to California) of Laverne and Shirley for clues… Maybe Happy Days and Wayne’s World too… 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8! Schlemeel! Schlemazel! Hassenfeffer Incorporated!  (We’re gonna do it! ..Give us any road we’ll take it, give us any rule we’ll break it…)

Only the opening credits of L&S were filmed in Milwaukee, hon.
The show itself was filmed at Paramount in Los Angeles.
But I think you were being facetious?

Kuh-Lai-Bah-Ti

Ah.  Then Trohn, you’ve earned your carrot.  Hope it becomes your Carat instead… happy hunting.   :group)

Waiting to be invited to the winners circle.

this old fox still thinks you are at the wrong track my good old boy.  .

fox

this old fox still thinks you are at the wrong track my good old boy.  .

The hands do not lie.
The fifteen rows, down to the ground,
place you where you need to be.
The one jewel in the hat tops it off.
And, of course, the steeples in the image.
It is not a stretch, if it were not from end to end.

Is that in Milwaukee?  That wouldn’t be that track-looking area slightly below the woods on an aerial view, would it?

Kuh-Lai-Bah-Ti

Is that in Milwaukee?  That wouldn’t be that track-looking area slightly below the woods on an aerial view, would it?

No this is Church – Hill (read the hands)
(Lousville, KY)
Image 9/Verse 2 match up.
Just waiting, two years and counting, to get the spot
poked and prodded.

I only ask because everyone seems edgy about posting unrelated info on specific threads.  I don’t have a problem with it myself, but I thought I’d ask anyways, to get the idea of where its at.  Say, Shecrab (my mom) is in Louisville at the moment…

Kuh-Lai-Bah-Ti

I only ask because everyone seems edgy about posting unrelated info on specific threads.  I don’t have a problem with it myself, but I thought I’d ask anyways, to get the idea of where its at.  Say, Shecrab (my mom) is in Louisville at the moment…

On here, people used to be able to rate posts and posters – I had the highest rate of receiving smites
over the course of the feature.  They have since removed the capability.

heh, seems like a lot of hurt feelings could result… Is that why everyone has little stars with the names of famous detectives and whatnot?

Unknown

Unknown:
What do you mean by that?  (The horses bit)

I think you may have to read through the back posts to find out…

To find out what?  Something about equestrian statues?  Something about horses?  Something related to Fox Hunts?

the horses are on the track and old Trohn is hanging out in the paddock.

Ah.  Then Trohn, you’ve earned your carrot.  Hope it becomes your Carat instead… happy hunting.

Not at all– the show took place in Milwaukee for the first five seasons, then the ….”girls” moved to Burbank for the remainder.  There was an episode ABOUT buried treasure, but it was one of the Burbank ones, not to mention filmed in 1983.  I figure that Milwaukee portrayed in the popular media would reveal clues about the city unwittingly…