hahaha, when in Rome, got it!

karleen

Since you asked so nicely, I will. Might take a few days until I have time to outline.

I’m posting a link to the photo that Josh requested. If you are not using Wicket’s most recent scan, you are missing so much. And don’t download the scan, because the resolution goes down. I think she posted them on March 29.
In this photo, the blue of the background makes up the lines that I have over-outlined in black. Yes, the scottish lion is there, but there are additional components, as well: Neptune, Kemble Warren, Dr. Skene and the chariot………..all in the Grand Army plaza section of Prospect Park.
https://imgur.com/a/guu0Hv9

it’s……like you’re forcing it
I’m not trying to disprove your solution, but those outline….
, perhaps you should do a side by side image with the actual object

Spiritr

it’s……like you’re forcing it
I’m not trying to disprove your solution, but those outline….
, perhaps you should do a side by side image with the actual object

I have……..the one of Neptune is in the video.
I’m not going to debate the findings. I started outlining and was shocked to learn they all came from the same place in the park. Even if you take 50% of all I’ve discovered, it’s pretty compelling. We all see what we want to see and surely I have done some of that, too. Part 2 of my findings will be up this weekend.
Carry on……..

I totally understand and I already digested all the information you have stated, if you ask me I’ll say too much description yet lack of connection. I’m not saying those object doesn’t exist, it’s there, but for this particular image, it’s not just there for navigation purpose, it’s not like the Spearman in Chicago and Terminal Tower in Cleveland…I don’t know how to describe it…
OK, the area you suggested is too far away from all the object. And the area range is too big. I think.

Spiritr

I totally understand and I already digested all the information you have stated, if you ask me I’ll say too much description yet lack of connection. I’m not saying those object doesn’t exist, it’s there, but for this particular image, it’s not just there for navigation purpose, it’s not like the Spearman in Chicago and Terminal Tower in Cleveland…I don’t know how to describe it…
OK, the area you suggested is too far away from all the object. And the area range is too big. I think.

Yep! That’s why I said there’s 900 acres, not a dig spot.

within Propect park?

Spiritr

within Propect park?

In the prospect park geographical area in brooklyn. That doesn’t necessarity mean inside the park. I have a ton more stuff I’ve not posted and there’s a bit I’m probably not going to post because………when in Rome, I mean New York.

AlaskaCasqueFinder

It’s not opposite what I am doing. I believe we are doing the same thing ….. deciphering clues and making a spreadsheet of all of the possible connections to the different cities. Or at least that’s what I’ve been doing. Lots of references to Abe Lincoln. Have an excellent day!
Adam

yes, Abe, but also war. Civil War and Revolutionary War.

Unknown

Unknown:
and I believe a picture is worth a thousand words

Generally true, but in this case, could you add a few more (words that is)? I’m not sure what new information this picture is meant to convey, so an explanation would be helpful.
TIA.

enough thread stealing….just let me finish what I’m doing I’m sure you can wait

Unknown

Unknown:
I’m sure you can wait

I can wait, and I can’t wait. Whenever you are ready is find by me.

Spiritr

ok, I’m currently making a chart/indicator to show you guys the pattern, things most people don’t see, and hope it’ll help all of us to understand things better
and I believe a picture is worth a thousand words , so I am working on it with a ipad pro I got from work for 2 days, so I’m trying to ask Karleen for some advice, I’m no artist but I want to make this one iconic!
I got stuck with the color scheme, it turns out…too Boston, and there are things I wanted to add but I realized this shit is much harder than I thought….
here, if I wanted to add a clock to it, you think I should do it inside the blue area, or just put the numbers on the stone?

Thanks for sharing! Looking forward to seeing more on what you are referring to exactly with this

mostly things people will say I’m crazy. what I’m doing right now is the exact opposites of what everyone else are doing, everybody is trying to move on forward, I’m going backward, all the way back, for a few reasons, one of them being I have no competition , I win for sure, I don’t even have to listen to podcast and researching what this verse mean or scanning thru images all day looking for nothing. I enjoy it much more then going out predicting buried locations….

It’s not opposite what I am doing. I believe we are doing the same thing ….. deciphering clues and making a spreadsheet of all of the possible connections to the different cities. Or at least that’s what I’ve been doing. Lots of references to Abe Lincoln. Have an excellent day!
Adam

With regard to Part 2, I find the idea that some or all of the solve depends on things only certain people with certain skill sets can see troubling and counter productive. As I’ve said many times, the puzzle is difficult to solve, but the solves are not difficult. Once you show people what is going on, all but the most dense will be able to see and understand it. IOW, consensus, while sometimes difficult to achieve, is what ultimately drives the puzzle forward.
My two “cast in coppers”.

jayheedan1

Any chance you’re going to type this up instead of a video? I started watching but twenty mins is longer than I cared too, esp if I can read it in a few mins.

Sorry, no. I have an advanced case of tennis elbow so writing, typing and drawing are to a miniumum these days.

Euhirudinea

With regard to Part 2, I find the idea that some or all of the solve depends on things only certain people with certain skill sets can see troubling and counter productive. As I’ve said many times, the puzzle is difficult to solve, but the solves are not difficult. Once you show people what is going on, all but the most dense will be able to see and understand it. IOW, consensus, while sometimes difficult to achieve, is what ultimately drives the puzzle forward.
My two “cast in coppers”.

Ren,
I could not agree more. Personally, I’d rather see the original painting for all its meticulous details than find a casque. That said, I am enjoying the hunt and only sharing what I see. That doesn’t mean a damn bit of anything but, in truth, I think it’s nice to change the conversation and I hope that’s what I’m doing.
Stay tuned for more videos……
Perhaps those will focus more on the easier portion of what you are referring to.

Unknown

Unknown:
Perhaps those will focus more on the easier portion of what you are referring to

You’ll know by the feedback you get. I don’t think the Images are treasure maps in any but the most obvious way, but I’ve kept an open mind to new ideas, and am willing to be proven wrong.
Happy hunting.

Last trip for a while but more videos to follow.
https://youtu.be/Dd59I9ksusg

Thank you for sharing Karleen – You Rock!!

karleen

Last trip for a while but more videos to follow.
https://youtu.be/Dd59I9ksusg

i can already see where youre going with that, its not terrible really, it does kinda work, youre gonna say the v is that path where it says prospect park on googlemaps, but i think, whereas you have some ideas in the right direction…you are not letting the puzzle direct you, rather, forcing your assumptions onto it. try not to do that and youll have more success, i assure you. also, there is a 13th treasure and it is buried, but its not in any single place, rather…everywhere…

JoshCornell

i can already see where youre going with that, its not terrible really, it does kinda work, youre gonna say the v is that path where it says prospect park on googlemaps, but i think, whereas you have some ideas in the right direction…you are not letting the puzzle direct you, rather, forcing your assumptions onto it. try not to do that and youll have more success, i assure you. also, there is a 13th treasure and it is buried, but its not in any single place, rather…everywhere…

Yes, Josh. You certainly have proven that you have it all figured out.

If you look very closely at the back of the birds neck what do you see.

MERLIN

If you look very closely at the back of the birds neck what do you see.

Merlin….I know there is something there…but the pic I have isn’t that detailed…it could be an eye

For those that have been messaging me, part 3 will be available in the next week or so.
For those who have been following, I’ve been asked several questions and I have my opinions but I’d like to hear yours:
1. How did Preiss determine which image was assigned to a specific month? I’m of the opinion that this was not random, but that each image has other references to the month, flower, etc.
2. Three people have told me that the images, stories in the back of the book mean nothing. I disagree. Do you need them to find a casque? Probably not. What say you?

Hi Karleen,
Welcome to the rabbit hole….Native NY’er here with a point of clarification on something that you say in your video. I like your concept of trying to figure in subway lines, however something you said is not quite right. In attempting to match up the colors in the arch icon to colors associated with various subways, you say that the ones typed out in your video are “all NY subways” and “all of these are in Brooklyn.”
However, most of the ones you cite don’t fit with that. Port Washington, Ronkonkoma, Hempstead, West Hempstead and Montauk – none of those are in fact subway lines. They are all Long Island Rail Road (LIRR) lines as well as the names of towns on Long Island. I rode the LIRR every day for 20 years to work in Manhattan and it is separate and distinct from the subway. Tickets are not transferable, they are not the same system and NY’ers do not think of them as similar. None of those lines travel through Brooklyn at all. For commutes to Manhattan, the main line travels from the Jamaica hub through Queens and under the river and into Manhattan, Penn Station – staying in Queens the entire way. There is however a somewhat less traveled secondary line that does run from Atlantic Terminal, Brooklyn to the hub at Jamaica and beyond. And you can in fact board trains in Brooklyn there to arrive at those Long Island destinations.
Perhaps you are already aware of this and just misspoke in your video. If not, I do not say this to contradict your proposed solution, but as helpful info to perhaps help you avoid a wild goose chase on that particular line of thought. Happy hunting and keep the faith.

Kang

Hi Karleen,
Welcome to the rabbit hole….Native NY’er here with a point of clarification on something that you say in your video. I like your concept of trying to figure in subway lines, however something you said is not quite right. In attempting to match up the colors in the arch icon to colors associated with various subways, you say that the ones typed out in your video are “all NY subways” and “all of these are in Brooklyn.”
However, most of the ones you cite don’t fit with that. Port Washington, Ronkonkoma, Hempstead, West Hempstead and Montauk – none of those are in fact subway lines. They are all Long Island Rail Road (LIRR) lines as well as the names of towns on Long Island. I rode the LIRR every day for 20 years to work in Manhattan and it is separate and distinct from the subway. Tickets are not transferable, they are not the same system and NY’ers do not think of them as similar. None of those lines travel through Brooklyn at all. For commutes to Manhattan, the main line travels from the Jamaica hub through Queens and under the river and into Manhattan, Penn Station – staying in Queens the entire way. There is however a somewhat less traveled secondary line that does run from Atlantic Terminal, Brooklyn to the hub at Jamaica and beyond. And you can in fact board trains in Brooklyn there to arrive at those Long Island destinations.
Perhaps you are already aware of this and just misspoke in your video. If not, I do not say this to contradict your proposed solution, but as helpful info to perhaps help you avoid a wild goose chase on that particular line of thought. Happy hunting and keep the faith.

Kang –
Thank you so much for this post!!! You said so articulately what I, clearly, could not.
I meant to contradict all of the people who swear this is on the island of Manhattan. I did, indeed, mean Long Island and I’m so grateful you pointed this out.
I have strived to be correct and I’m grateful for your correction.
km

so….Prospect Park….is a Zoo???
it’s not a public recreation park?

Spiritr

so….Prospect Park….is a Zoo???
it’s not a public recreation park?

Prospect Park, proper, is over 700 acres. It is comprised of Prospect Park, The Prospect Park Zoo, The Parade Ground and Grand Army Plaza. Joining the Prospect Park Alliance is The Brooklyn Botanic Garden which makes it also part of Prospect Park.

I was trying to get site plans…….and wow….it has 2 times the documents of the entire central park combined……just the Zoo parts are enough to kill my hard drive, I gave up. That’s too much.

Spiritr

I was trying to get site plans…….and wow….it has 2 times the documents of the entire central park combined……just the Zoo parts are enough to kill my hard drive, I gave up. That’s too much.

Well, puzzle or no puzzle, it is the most gorgeous place. I hope you get a chance to visit it sometime.

due to the recently aired enhanced version of EXP UNKNOWN, and Amazon finally have the HD 42 minutes version free for download, I watched it again this morning, and when BP’s daughters talks about:
“For the NY one where you’re standing where the treasure is buried, you can see ALL of the features in the illustration…
“
so I keep having this thought in my head…what’s so special about being able to see all the features?
Looking at Chicago and Cleveland, all of the features are there to be seen within eye sights, unless this “All”, was actually referring to All 12 illustrations features?

Spiritr

hahaha, that was brave right?
you’ve got PM’d

Why not just share with us all, be so brave and all

ok, I’m currently making a chart/indicator to show you guys the pattern, things most people don’t see, and hope it’ll help all of us to understand things better
and I believe a picture is worth a thousand words , so I am working on it with a ipad pro I got from work for 2 days, so I’m trying to ask Karleen for some advice, I’m no artist but I want to make this one iconic!
I got stuck with the color scheme, it turns out…too Boston, and there are things I wanted to add but I realized this shit is much harder than I thought….
here, if I wanted to add a clock to it, you think I should do it inside the blue area, or just put the numbers on the stone?

karleen

For those that have been messaging me, part 3 will be available in the next week or so.
For those who have been following, I’ve been asked several questions and I have my opinions but I’d like to hear yours:
1. How did Preiss determine which image was assigned to a specific month? I’m of the opinion that this was not random, but that each image has other references to the month, flower, etc.
2. Three people have told me that the images, stories in the back of the book mean nothing. I disagree. Do you need them to find a casque? Probably not. What say you?

Not sure I’m qualified to answer….but, I’ll take a stab at it:
1. Sorry…not sure how he decided which image was assigned to a specific month. As discussed by others for decades, it appears that the LoTJ explains the gem, flower, time shown on a time piece in each image, based on the gems being specific birthstones and with an immigration link to a specific city. I guess the connection that 421 is talking about regarding classic art, playbills, album covers, etc is as good a possibility as any…..but, I don’t see it with all of the images.
Meaning, I don’t see a pattern for matching image
style
or theme clearly, with a city, for all examples they’ve already mentioned in the “slow spill” thread. A lion on the Santana album cover or on the handbill for the Filmore West, just shows me a style / layout that was probably used for image 2. I don’t see a connection to Charleston in the album / handbill’s style of art…or, their themes. Not like the obvious style/location connection between the ’80’s handbill for the lost colony and image 3. Nor do I see why sometimes it’s a handbill, sometimes classic art and sometimes it’s something else.
So, I’m not sure that it was random….but, might be….I just don’t see a location connection for the image selection in all cases (yet), so I don’t see a specific pattern for selection of image or image style for the specific cities (yet).
2. What’s in the back of the book may contain Easter eggs pointing to the various cities, clues in the images or to visuals along the routes of actual solutions… if so, then intended or unintended, they would have some value. But, I doubt they lead to any exact dig site. (Just mho)

Which part or lines in LOTJ said anything about flowers and time? or appears to describe anything regarding time and flower in any form of nature?
Clearly there’s a pattern, you just refuse to see it, nothing is random.
Perhaps we should start a new thread and make a list of the patterns, maybe that’ll help us better understanding the system of this puzzle.

Spiritr

Which part or lines in LOTJ said anything about flowers and time? or appears to describe anything regarding time and flower in any form of nature

Spiritr

Clearly there’s a pattern, you just refuse to see it, nothing is random.

I didn’t say it did contain anything about flowers or time, directly. But, the connection based on the gems as birthstones is undeniable. Clearly.
Saying that I ‘refuse to see it’ implies that that I know it’s there and see it…. and, that I’m just being stubborn and won’t acknowledge it. That’s not the case.
Clearly, I don’t see a pattern, as stated in my last post…or, I’d acknowledge it.

Mister EZ

the connection based on the gems as birthstones is undeniable

perhaps we have a different understanding of what a “pattern” is….
that’s a pattern right there
13 groups of immigrants, 1 group provides all the casques and keys, 12 groups each provide 1 gem
12 birthstones, 12 birth flowers, 12 images, 12 verses, 12 casques, 12 keys, 12 cities, …etc
1 book/2 authors, 1 month/2 indicaters, …etc
That’s what I called “Pattern”
Of every game / puzzle / sports, All required a system, constructed by patterns, without patterns, there’s no system.
System=The Secret
to crack the system, you must first understand what the patterns are. You see it now?

Spiritr

perhaps we have a different understanding of what a “pattern” is….
that’s a pattern right there
13 groups of immigrants, 1 group provides all the casques and keys, 12 groups each provide 1 gem
12 birthstones, 12 birth flowers, 12 images, 12 verses, 12 casques, 12 keys, 12 cities, …etc
1 book/2 authors, 1 month/2 indicaters, …etc
That’s what I called “Pattern”
Of every game / puzzle / sports, All required a system, constructed by patterns, without patterns, there’s no system.
System=The Secret
to crack the system, you must first understand what the patterns are. You see it now?

Well, I see that you may not have seen the question I was originally responding to:
‘
How did Preiss determine which image was assigned to a specific month? I’m of the opinion
that this was not random
…
‘
Sorry….I don’t see a pattern for
that
.
Random or not….I don’t see it.

Mister EZ

Well, I see that you may not have seen the question I was originally responding to:
‘
How did Preiss determine which image was assigned to a specific month? I’m of the opinion
that this was not random
…
‘
Sorry….I don’t see a pattern for that[/i
Random or not….I don’t see it.

Thanks for your opinion, EZ. I have wondered myself if certain puzzles/locations were founded or became public landmarks in a specific month and that’s how the image and month were paired up. Of course, I’d still like opinions/deductions on this subject.
@Spiritr, I’m not sure how math applies to Preiss choosing a specific month to be represented in an image. Happy to learn how you are applying it but you seem to be noting a general pattern in the book as a whole instead of assignation of birth month, jewel and flower.

ok, I’ll be brave for this one ,
what if
, it was never meant for Months?

Spiritr

ok, I’ll be brave for this one ,
what if
, it was never meant for Months?

Continue, o’ brave one.

hahaha, that was brave right?
you’ve got PM’d

https://youtu.be/UY-tmBOAoVA

Any chance you’re going to type this up instead of a video? I started watching but twenty mins is longer than I cared too, esp if I can read it in a few mins.

I believe there’s a CC button in youtube, and….you can download the entire script off of it. it takes less than 5 seconds.

Tell me if this theory holds water.
Is it possible that Image 12 is of Cleopatra (referring to Cleopatras Needle) in Central Park. It was placed on a hill called “Greywacke Knoll”.
The whirring sound in summer is the fountain? The Obelisk would of course cast a long shadow. And a monument to Alexander Hamilton is nearby, although I dont have exact distance. But it is not very far. The bird beak looks like its from the front of the Maine Monument. The pink dots in image 12 are of Strawberry Fields.

Spiritr

due to the recently aired enhanced version of EXP UNKNOWN, and Amazon finally have the HD 42 minutes version free for download, I watched it again this morning, and when BP’s daughters talks about:
“For the NY one where you’re standing where the treasure is buried, you can see ALL of the features in the illustration…
“
so I keep having this thought in my head…what’s so special about being able to see all the features?
Looking at Chicago and Cleveland, all of the features are there to be seen within eye sights, unless this “All”, was actually referring to All 12 illustrations features?

I think it’s what you determine you’re seeing. I mean, they didn’t say the Statue of Liberty. They said features of the drawing. hmmmmmmm………things are not what they appear to be.

Spiritr

due to the recently aired enhanced version of EXP UNKNOWN, and Amazon finally have the HD 42 minutes version free for download, I watched it again this morning, and when BP’s daughters talks about:
“For the NY one where you’re standing where the treasure is buried, you can see ALL of the features in the illustration…
“
so I keep having this thought in my head…what’s so special about being able to see all the features?
Looking at Chicago and Cleveland, all of the features are there to be seen within eye sights, unless this “All”, was actually referring to All 12 illustrations features?

Hey guys, been lurking. I’m still on the fence on the theory that all of the features in the Verse can be seen from the dig spot. I do not believe that all of the features in the Image can be seen from the dig spot.

gManTexas

Hey guys, been lurking. I’m still on the fence on the theory that all of the features in the Verse can be seen from the dig spot. I do not believe that all of the features in the Image can be seen from the dig spot.

Nice, to see you again, GMan!

karleen

I’m using a series of scans from several months ago. I’ll link them below.
If you are not an artist or one who uses pointillism, you mostly likely will not see what I see. And that’s okay, because you would be in the majority.
https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/de8 … 95cc8c0098

Thanks that’s actually very helpful. I still don’t see anything you are talking about which makes me think that those observations are too obscure.
I also think there is something to battery park for a handful of reasons – still trying to type it all up but so far (I live down the street so I walked through it the other day) you have a few things, a number of which I haven’t seen a mention of.
Most obvious to me is the East Coast Memorial (scroll down here:
http://thebattery.org/destinations/monuments/
). Not only do you have a very close representation of the flying bird, but you also have the bird riding a wave.
The shape of battery park itself looks like the back wing on the bird in the picture (if you flip the picture). It even has the same notch cut out in the same spot. Coincidentally, this is right next to the v cutout between the birds wings.
Furthermore, from near that memorial, you have a view of the stature of liberty, the verrazano-narrows bridge, and ellis island. Also, since they are doing the spotlights all September from the old world trader centers, you can notice that from that location, the two towers nearly line up so it only looks like one tower – could be the rectangular cutout. You also have a clear view of the clocktower on pier a (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Pier_A
)
Just some of my initial observations after looking at things for a week or two. Still no idea what the significance is of the upper most tiles in the frame.

Looks to me like you are having fun with the puzzle. Good luck with the search.

Part 1
it’s long
https://youtu.be/Ek-7LT8XMM4

well i was using gershwin and preiss as the two rhapsodic man components, but you have to go through a few layers to get to preiss and i figured that full path out. likewise i was using harding, and figured out the alternative reading (in this case the primary reading).

gershwin takes you to greeley square park where there are statues of himself and the guys who started the herald (he started the tribune…employed twain, thoreau, and many other greats).

“go west young man” is probably a ref to preiss being referenced in the primary path.

Harley Quinn

Hi. Interesting video. The puzzle is not that intense. Don’t over think it. The image is a guide to where to start with markers on the way. Figure out the poem. If you can find where the first 2 lines of the poem is, then you are on your way. I have a possible complete solve for this and getting ready to submit for approval for a dig. Once I found the starting point the rest was pretty clear. Poem walked me right to it with seeing the images on the way. Also if you seen the episode on Expedition unknown, the daughters of BP stated that you can see the images of the panels from the dig site. I looked in prospect park and could not see the Statue of Liberty or Ellis Island, which both are in the panels.

Please do not think this is a specific criticism of you, Harley, but people seem super impatient with these videos. I have enough material to create 5 videos–overthought or not–I feel bound to present what all members of my team have found because they asked me to. I haven’t begun to talk about the verse. It would also be completely wrong to not match this up to old maps. The park has four areas that are completely different than they were in 1980. Huge buildings have been removed.
This puzzle is this intense otherwise it would have been found.
Also, no one is certain if that really is Ellis Island. Even the most basic search through this site and others will tell you that one cannot be certain.
The Statue of Liberty gets you to an approximate area. It’s in or around Prospect Park. Of that I have no doubt.

Harley Quinn

the daughters of BP stated that you can see the images of the panels from the dig site.

Is that what they said? hmmm, I don’t remember them saying that exactly.

Unknown

Unknown:
I don’t remember them saying that exactly.

It doesn’t matter what their exact words were. They are repeating something that their father (who was notoriously tight-lipped when it came to The Secret) might or might not have said over 15 years ago. With all due respect, it’s hearsay and should be given no more weight than anything else he might or might not have said.
Having said that, I think what they said was he told them that you could “see all the clues” from the dig site. Whether you think this is true, mostly true, somewhat true, mostly false, or false really depends on what you think Preiss had in mind when he said “all the clues”. What is true is that there is no place in either Cleveland or Chicago where you can see “all the clues”.

Euhirudinea

…no place in either Cleveland or Chicago where you can see “all the clues”.

or that they were gotten.

Wasn’t that reference from his daughters on Expedition Unknown specific to the New York casque? I don’t recall the exact wording but they mentioned talking their father about the New York site and of course he buried one in his favorite city. They then went on to say that blurb about seeing all the allusions in the painting from the dig spot.

Euhirudinea

It doesn’t matter what their exact words were. They are repeating something that their father (who was notoriously tight-lipped when it came to The Secret) might or might not have said over 15 years ago. With all due respect, it’s hearsay and should be given no more weight than anything else he might or might not have said.
Having said that, I think what they said was he told them that you could “see all the clues” from the dig site. Whether you think this is true, mostly true, somewhat true, mostly false, or false really depends on what you think Preiss had in mind when he said “all the clues”. What is true is that there is no place in either Cleveland or Chicago where you can see “all the clues”.

Amazingly I agree with you 100% , this was my point. especially that he never ever said you can see the SOL from the casque site.

Unknown

Unknown:
Amazingly I agree with you 100%

You should get used to the idea…

Euhirudinea

You should get used to the idea…

or vice versa

maltedfalcon

or vice versa

I’m starting to love this post.

Unknown

Unknown:
or vice versa

I’ll welcome the change Matt. So far:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzdWPwVTWsI

Euhirudinea

I’ll welcome the change Matt. So far:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzdWPwVTWsI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chYZP85d8Mc

Hi. Interesting video. The puzzle is not that intense. Don’t over think it. The image is a guide to where to start with markers on the way. Figure out the poem. If you can find where the first 2 lines of the poem is, then you are on your way. I have a possible complete solve for this and getting ready to submit for approval for a dig. Once I found the starting point the rest was pretty clear. Poem walked me right to it with seeing the images on the way. Also if you seen the episode on Expedition unknown, the daughters of BP stated that you can see the images of the panels from the dig site. I looked in prospect park and could not see the Statue of Liberty or Ellis Island, which both are in the panels.

I want in on this…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlclUwqDo3s

Haha, don’t do a Seabass and erase yourself.
Can’t believe the admin actually did that. FFS. Once you’ve published something, you no longer really own it anyway…as Palencar discovered…

Glossiphoniidae

I want in on this…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlclUwqDo3s

2 nd Best scene ever!!!
Best scene ever!
https://youtu.be/Pk-B0s0jOwE

yusssss busted the rhapsodic man clue today…and the primary reading of the Hard words clue yesterday…that hard words one is so fucking good…now have every single clue resolved in this puzzle (relating specifically to treasure hunt).

JoshCornell

yusssss busted the rhapsodic man clue today…and the primary reading of the Hard words clue yesterday…that hard words one is so fucking good…now have every single clue resolved in this puzzle (relating specifically to treasure hunt).

is that different from or in addition to, the complete NYC solve you mentioned you had on July 19th?

Nice job karleen
!!

Part 3
https://youtu.be/kpW8zPgH9Sc

Merlot Brougham

Have you considered any alternate verses? Am I alone in thinking the conventional wisdom may be slightly wrong on a couple of pairings?
Grey spelled with “ey” is the English spelling. I think imagery and city locations are very strong on all images but we run aground when shoehorning verses.
edit: I think your “Abraham Lincoln” looks more like Aldo Montoya, 100% exact. I’ve compared it to an old WWF collector’s cup I have from that house show I went to in the 90’s when they actually had Aldo Montoya on the merch.

Hi, Merlot.
The only other verse I was pairing is verse 5 and I had really strong hopes for it, however there is some stuff written in the book that brought me back to v10. That kind of bums me out because I do not like v10.
More to come.

Euhirudinea

Looks to me like you are having fun with the puzzle. Good luck with the search.

Thanks, ren! Just happy to learn all I have because of the hunt. Amazing how much more I know about American History. So cool.
Cheers!

and the groups of immigrants are? Russian? and…?

great job karleen .can’t wait for part 2 of.our ideas.forgot about some

Have you considered any alternate verses? Am I alone in thinking the conventional wisdom may be slightly wrong on a couple of pairings?
Grey spelled with “ey” is the English spelling. I think imagery and city locations are very strong on all images but we run aground when shoehorning verses.
edit: I think your “Abraham Lincoln” looks more like Aldo Montoya, 100% exact. I’ve compared it to an old WWF collector’s cup I have from that house show I went to in the 90’s when they actually had Aldo Montoya on the merch.

very confused about alot of your claims, for example…the stuff you claim to see in the spray of the water…i see none of it…i see the scottish lion and i see what looks like the fish from the channel gardens fountain in rockefeller center…but i dont see any of the other stuff you claim…and using a computer program to discern something from the windows designed like ishigahara’s plates is beyond absurd!?

if anything, the dotted windows are meant to act like stereograms (SIRDS, to be exact), one would think (if there is an image that is to be hidden within it, as opposed to us just looking for the pattern). ive never been very adept at this, anyone else tried?

JoshCornell

if anything, the dotted windows are meant to act like stereograms, one would think (if there is an image that is to be hidden within it, as opposed to us just looking for the pattern). ive never been very adept at this, anyone else tried?

In 1991 computer programmer Tom Baccei and artist Cheri Smith created the first color random-dot autostereograms, later marketed as Magic Eye.[17]

JoshCornell

very confused about alot of your claims, for example…the stuff you claim to see in the spray of the water…i see none of it…i see the scottish lion and i see what looks like the fish from the channel gardens fountain in rockefeller center…but i dont see any of the other stuff you claim…and using a computer program to discern something from the windows designed like ishigahara’s plates is beyond absurd!?

Josh, you’re not an artist and you’re not willing to entertain the idea….mostly because it’s not your idea.
Also, if you are using a poor quality scan you won’t see the really obvious ones. Zoom way out–Custer on the left is super obvious–it is mostly made up of light blue clouds and the background color(darker blue) adds the details.

Unknown

Unknown:
but i dont see any of the other stuff you claim

Without getting into the merits of anyone’s specific solve, I will opine that this seems to be the biggest problem with the Images as maps solve set in general. Beyond the obvious but limited connections (those that 9 out of 10 people will agree to), it’s very difficult to get the consensus necessary to narrow down the search to a specific park, much less a dig spot. You can walk someone who is completely unfamiliar with the puzzle through the Cleveland solve, and while they might not agree with everything, they should get the majority of it pretty quickly, specifically the image matches. The same is true for Chicago. I would like to think the same will be true for Puzzle #3.
My bottom line, and the one that has worked best for me is that if you are trying too hard to convince others that you are correct, you probably aren’t.
Note: I apologize for putting this in Karleen’s thread. I should probably start one of my own called Ren’s Ruminations. Much easier for everyone to ignore that way.

might need a stereoscope…consider that…longfellow and holmes were both part of the fireside poets…the arch in boston is clearly based on the monument to holmes…holmes wrote a book on the stereoscope and steerograph…

i dont see custer at all, i can see what she is calling washington, not sure it is washington, but i see what shes talking about…the claims about the water spray are nonsensical to me…

and do you even accept the scottish lion as being there? cause that is inherently obvious and indisputable…i didnt find it. but its there in brooklyn on that building.

what you say is either dude with hat or the bust is clearly a fish, and looks more like the fish in channel gardens than anything else you are claiming.

mind you there is something up where she says custer is but i dont discern it as being custer at all. looks similar to the monkey or komodo dragon in st aug image.

I’m so thankful for people like Josh who keep the hunt completely entertaining.

can you outline the stuff you claim is in the water? your circles are not adequate explanations…i mean, im open to stuff if its right lol…i dont see the guy with the hat or the bust or any of the stuff you claim is in the water…even what you say is 75 looks like its a 15 if anything to me…i dont think anyone sees what you are seeing in the water spray though…

JoshCornell

can you outline the stuff you claim is in the water? your circles are not adequate explanations…i mean, im open to stuff if its right lol…i dont see the guy with the hat or the bust or any of the stuff you claim is in the water…even what you say is 75 looks like its a 15 if anything to me…i dont think anyone sees what you are seeing in the water spray though…

Since you asked so nicely, I will. Might take a few days until I have time to outline.

do you see the scottish lion at least? cause i gather you are claiming its something else? unless im mistaken…

Spiritr

and the groups of immigrants are? Russian? and…?

clearly dutch russian and jewish to start.
russians = sheepshead bay and brighton beach
jews = burrough park
dutch = new amsterdam
connection bw 2 is trotsky.
locations: ellis island immigration center, church of the transfiguration, russian tea room, (ironically) russian consolate (but not via russian connection)
the domes in the painting seem to be from the church as opposed to ellis island, as they seem to have patriarchal crosses on them.
havent been able to find trotsky’s house in the bronx, yet.
this points us to novy mir, and the man and woman who helped him publish it.
this in turn takes us to the public library. (which is connected to the russian consolate) via this relationship.

this in turn opens up spanish and portugese immigration themes…

…and takes you to a number of locations…

Josh I looked at him once because of a Lennon statue on red square building in ny.which wasn’t there for the puzzle .his possible addresses were 77 st marks place .And also 80.also 1522 vyse ave and also 164th street

JoshCornell

do you see the scottish lion at least? cause i gather you are claiming its something else? unless im mistaken…

Yes, I see it. But like the centaur in the cleveland solve, that lion is comprised of several things.

munchacho

What images are you using for the pictures? Can’t see anything of what you are saying.

I’m using a series of scans from several months ago. I’ll link them below.
If you are not an artist or one who uses pointillism, you mostly likely will not see what I see. And that’s okay, because you would be in the majority.
https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/de8 … 95cc8c0098

I know i don’t post a lot but where is everyone ? Karleen just showed a picture of Columbia with an arch.panel above her head and it could.mean nothing but no offense Josh but when you say hi you get 35 reactions..lol

Mr merit

I know i don’t post a lot but where is everyone ? Karleen just showed a picture of Columbia with an arch.panel above her head and it could.mean nothing but no offense Josh but when you say hi you get 35 reactions..lol

Thanks, Merit.
I suppose I’d like some feedback on the Lafayette Faces that are only found in the park. Does anyone have anything to offer?

What images are you using for the pictures? Can’t see anything of what you are saying.