Anything is possible . Can you imagine how difficult it would be to find this information back before the internet was invented. I think more high school history and general knowledge is the way these puzzles should be looked at.

Diceycat

I kind of like the verse 5 interpretation . Not sure of the 222 part when the runway is 20 and to see this number the searcher would have to be flying in to the site or standing at the end of the runway (standing at the end of a runway is kind of dangerous not a spot for tourists) . The word “bird “by definition can also mean a person , but usually its a girl ( nice chick eh !).

I read it as Two – Twenty Two and back to Two, Kind of a linear back and forth
Yes I considered different birds, i.e.. Real Birds, “English” Birds (Girls), Badminton Birds etc.
I settled on Aircraft Bird, it seemed to fit the verse

It’s the “wingless bird “part that you have to consider then and how does wingless fit in. It’s a beautiful part of the country for sure.

Hawk

I read it as Two – Twenty Two and back to Two, Kind of a linear back and forth
Yes I considered different birds, i.e.. Real Birds, “English” Birds (Girls), Badminton Birds etc.
I settled on Aircraft Bird, it seemed to fit the verse

youre actually pretty close. not totally but on the right track… at least in regards to part of this comment.

I kind of like the verse 5 interpretation . Not sure of the 222 part when the runway is 20 and to see this number the searcher would have to be flying in to the site or standing at the end of the runway (standing at the end of a runway is kind of dangerous not a spot for tourists) . The word “bird “by definition can also mean a person , but usually its a girl ( nice chick eh !).

Diceycat

It’s the “wingless bird “part that you have to consider then and how does wingless fit in. It’s a beautiful part of the country for sure.

The proposed solution has many references to aviation
The line “A wingless bird ascended” suggests a bird without wings was able to ascend. I didn’t see that as a possibility.
I interpreted “A wingless bird ascended” as a clue,
suggesting that the “bird” was not a real bird, but some other type of bird.
This led me to aviation terms, In aviation terms a “Bird” is an aircraft, and an aircraft can ascend.
This coupled with “Born of ancient dreams of flight” lead me to the Wright Bothers first flight

guys the bird is the first hot air balloon flight in Canadian History; which left from Griffintown (a church that no longer exists).

That was interesting Josh, did not know that was where the first balloon flight was launched from in Canada. Might be on to something there. Now all you have to do is tie in the rest of the lines in the verse.

Diceycat

That was interesting Josh, did not know that was where the first balloon flight was launched from in Canada. Might be on to something there. Now all you have to do is tie in the rest of the lines in the verse.

It was not the first hot air balloon flight in Canada. It was the first (recorded) passenger balloon flight in Canada.
On September 8, 1856, Eugène Godard made the first successful Canadian passenger flight in a balloon, travelling from Montreal to Pointe-Olivier, Quebec. On board with him were A.E. Kierzowski and A.X. Rambau.[3] The balloon, called Canada, was the first aircraft ever constructed in Canada.[4] Then on August 13, 1857, Godard made the first balloon flight in the history of Wales, launching from Caernarfon in a gas balloon called Aurora.[5]

Then that would fall into the category of unimportant historical event.

Diceycat

Then that would fall into the category of unimportant historical event.

So says you. If you look at the history of this, Godard set up shop in Bonsecours Market’s upper concert hall, charging admission to see the progress. It was a huge event.
http://montrealgazette.com/sponsored/mt … dian-first
Not everything in these puzzles has to be circumnavigating the earth, splitting the atom, or landing on the moon.

How about taught in school or even in our Canadian history books nothing. Might have been a big event locally

Diceycat

How about taught in school or even in our Canadian history books nothing. Might have been a big event locally

Perhaps to locate us in a particular city. Take a deep breath and investigate the other puzzles, you’ll find many instances where clues are specific to a city or event that is local.
That said. I’m taking a break. Enjoy your hunt.

wingless bird is the hot air balloon that left from Griffintown

Lane
Two twenty two
You’ll see an arc of lights
Weight and roots extended
Together saved the site
Of granite walls
Wind swept halls
Citadel in the night
A wingless bird ascended
Born of ancient dreams of flight
Beneath the only standing member
Of a forest
To the south
White stone closest
At twelve paces
From the west side
Get permission
To dig out.
The Image has several references to the area around the site including
the Nags Head (Helmet), Roanoke Island (Beside the Window)
and the Latitude and Longitude Reference to the Site (36 75).
LANE
TWO TWENTY TWO
Lane refers to a Flight Lane
Two Twenty Two refers to Runway Numbers
Runway Twenty
Runway Two
YOU’LL SEE THE ARCS OF LIGHT
The side of the Memorial is made up of arcs and the
beacon atop the Memorial Arcs out light in the night
WEIGHT AND ROOTS EXTENDED
TOGETHER SAVED THE SITE
Refers to the addition of soil and earth added to the site to stabilize
it and to support the weight of the monument,
Grass was then planted to root into the soil and prevent erosion
of the soil thus saving the Site
OF GRANITE WALLS
WIND SWEPT HALLS
The Monument is made of Granite Mined in North Carolina and
has a central Hall, It sits upon a windswept hill.
CITADEL IN THE NIGHT
The base of the Monument is shaped like a Citadel.
This feature becomes more apparent when viewed from above or when lit at night
A WINGLESS BIRD ASCENDED
BORN OF ANCIENT DREAMS OF FLIGHT
The Wright brother’s aircraft is the Wingless Bird born of ancient dreams of flight
It ascended here
BENEATH THE ONLY STANDING MEMBER
OF A FOREST
TO THE SOUTH
Beneath the Monument and directly South a lone tree sits,
and to the south of the tree a small forest
WHITE STONE CLOSEST
Looking back towards the Monument from the lone tree
you will see the closest White Stone Object.
AT TWELVE PACES, FROM THE WEST SIDE
GET PERMISSION
TO DIG IT OUT
The Wright Brothers National Memorial is a Federally protected Site
You Will need Permission to Dig it Out

MrSeabass

I’m super torn because there’s lots of logical connections here with the verse, but you’re ignoring almost all the visual clues in the image and the (arguably) stronger verse 11 connections. However it all boils down to the dig spot being in the middle of a wide open spot of land, right in the middle of of the most historic technological advances in mankind’s history, in a Federal park. Sorry, but everything points to Roanoke Island;
seeing
KDH from roanoke is strongly suggested though.

Are you referring to the proposed solution using Verse 11 ( Pass two friends of Octive… ) and Image 3?

Congrats on doing a ton of work on this.
Question: how is a plane with wings a wingless bird? It would seem it is birdless wings.

I find it strange that there have been three well-reasoned theories for three different locations in the past several days, all on government property.

karleen

Congrats on doing a ton of work on this.
Question: how is a plane with wings a wingless bird? It would seem it is birdless wings.

The proposed solution has many references to aviation
The line “A wingless bird ascended” suggests a bird without wings was able to ascend. I didn’t see that as a possibility.
I interpreted “A wingless bird ascended” as a clue,
suggesting that the “bird” was not a real bird, but some other type of bird.
This led me to aviation terms, In aviation terms a “Bird” is an aircraft, and an aircraft can ascend.
This coupled with “Born of ancient dreams of flight” lead me to the Wright Bothers first flight

gManTexas

I find it strange that there have been three well-reasoned theories for three different locations in the past several days, all on government property.

In my first post on this forum, entitled “Permission to Dig”
You asked “Where at?”
You are part of the reason I posted this proposed Solve

Hawk

In my first post on this forum, entitled “Permission to Dig”
You asked “Where at?”
You are part of the reason I posted this proposed Solve

Ha! I wondered where you went. Nice write up.
So, as I mentioned, this has been a rampant theme over the past several days, casques on Federal property. I have a hard time believing that BP would bury something in a location that runs the risk of violating the Antiquities Act and potentially carries a jail sentence. I also do not believe he unknowingly buried something on Federal grounds. I bet the first thing he asked someone in authority is, “who owns this land?”
Now, if the land converted to Federal property after 1980-82 then possibly. My thought is that he focused on well-established public parks that would in all likelihood remain that way. This is one (of many) reasons that I am not a fan of Fort Raleigh and the FOY, not public and relatively short lived in 1980.

MrSeabass

Yes.

For the record, I would like to say I am not here to debunk any proposed solutions. I am working on my own theories and would not want to in any way stifle someone from presenting their own theories and proposed solutions.
I believe that the proposed solution is based on driving Past two friends of octave chanute, assuming those two friends are the Wright Brothers, and then “Ride the man of Oz” in reference to L. Frank Baum
There are parts of that possible solution I like and parts I am unsure of
I like the fact that the Wright Brothers were friends of Octave , That seemed plausible to me, although I have discovered several location where one could pass the Wright Brothers including the Wright Brothers grave site and the Wright Brothers statue both located in Dayton Ohio
The link to the Baum bridge seemed less plausible to me because the bridge is named for another man, Washington Franklin Baum but still plauseable
I am intrigued by the line that reads “By dauntless and inconquerable determination” as it is very similar to the inscription on the Wright Brothers memorial that reads ““In commemoration of the conquest of the air by the brothers Wilbur and Orville Wright. Conceived by genius. Achieved by dauntless resolution and unconquerable faith.”.”

Hawk

The proposed solution has many references to aviation
The line “A wingless bird ascended” suggests a bird without wings was able to ascend. I didn’t see that as a possibility.
I interpreted “A wingless bird ascended” as a clue,
suggesting that the “bird” was not a real bird, but some other type of bird.
This led me to aviation terms, In aviation terms a “Bird” is an aircraft, and an aircraft can ascend.
This coupled with “Born of ancient dreams of flight” lead me to the Wright Bothers first flight

I see why you interpreted it this way but I’m of the mind that Preiss was so deliberate that when the wingless bird ascended is found it will be just as he describes it. Maddening.

gManTexas

Ha! I wondered where you went. Nice write up.
So, as I mentioned, this has been a rampant theme over the past several days, casques on Federal property. I have a hard time believing that BP would bury something in a location that runs the risk of violating the Antiquities Act and potentially carries a jail sentence. I also do not believe he unknowingly buried something on Federal grounds. I bet the first thing he asked someone in authority is, “who owns this land?”
Now, if the land converted to Federal property after 1980-82 then possibly. My thought is that he focused on well-established public parks that would in all likelihood remain that way. This is one (of many) reasons that I am not a fan of Fort Raleigh and the FOY, not public and relatively short lived in 1980.

I don’t know,
Only Byron knows where and why he chose to bury the casque’s where he did.
In the book he lists the places that do not hold any treasure.
(a) any life threatening…. etc
Other than those places listed as not holding treasure….
everywhere else is fair game

karleen

I see why you interpreted it this way but I’m of the mind that Preiss was so deliberate that when the wingless bird ascended is found it will be just as he describes it. Maddening.

Sorry not familar with the Preiss Quote
Can you post his quote regarding “maddening”

Hawk

Sorry not familar with the Preiss Quote
Can you post his quote regarding “maddening”

I’m confusing you. I’m saying it’s maddening. Once you find the bird, it will be as he describes it in the verse: wingless and ascending

Hawk, are you local to Roanoke Island and are going out to dig?

gManTexas

Hawk, are you local to Roanoke Island and are going out to dig?

Nope, not a local to Roanke Island
I hope some will… as the verse says “Get Permission To Dig it Out”
I am curious as to why this is the only verse that comes with the warning “”Get Permission To Dig it Out”
It suggests to me that Bryon new there was a risk to digging this site,
I wonder why the other proposed solutions that are located on Federal Sites don’t include the same warning?

Hawk

Nope, not a local to Roanke Island
I hope some will… as the verse says “Get Permission To Dig it Out”
I am curious as to why this is the only verse that comes with the warning “”Get Permission To Dig it Out”
It suggests to me that Bryon new there was a risk to digging this site,
I wonder why the other proposed solutions that are located on Federal Sites don’t include the same warning?

The proposed locations are different theories from the established consensus of locations. A nice guy Durian is proposing an alternate site in SF that is not in Golden Gate Park. Another person just proposed a site in Quebec City rather than Montreal. Both on Federal land or archaeological sites. I don’t believe that getting permission has anything to do with asking the NPS or other government agency. Think more of call 811 before you dig because of utilities or other potential hazards, at least that’s how I look at it.

karleen

I’m confusing you. I’m saying it’s maddening. Once you find the bird, it will be as he describes it in the verse: wingless and ascending

I think Byron wanted the treasure hunters to find the casques, I think his intention was to create interest in the book, each time a casque was found, there would be publicity and more people would buy the book.
Byron invested time and money in the project. Producing the book, travelling and burying the casques, purchasing the gems. He wanted people to find them.
After the first casque was found he probably expected more to found, but that didn’t happen,I think it must have been disappointing for him,
I don’t think he intended the puzzle to be as hard as it was. I don’t think he ever intended it to be maddening.

I agree with that to a point, but he completely underestimated the complexity of these puzzles. Why would we still be looking for them? There are so many intelligent people on this forum. There is no way it would take this long if it was as simple as this solution. Especially not in a Federal park. That said, the image is giving you the location, not completely mirroring the verse as so many people other than I will be all to happy to tell you.

JoshCornell

thats in the Roanoke puzzle at Kill Devil Hills lol…

I have posted my proposed solution
I did so with the hope that others would find the information useful

thats in the Roanoke puzzle at Kill Devil Hills lol…

The bat/baseball reference was funny
I did get that

maltedfalcon

how in any way is the wright brothers airplane a wingless bird
but any stretch of the imagination it has two separate wings 4 if you count the elevator
6 if you count the rudder
8 if you count the left wings and right wings as separate.

The Wright brothers aircraft is not a wingless bird
The line reads “A wingless bird ascended”
What is a Wingless bird?
Its a clue. A “bird” without wings is not a real bird
How did a wingless bird ascend?
obviously a real “wingless” bird cannot ascend
Another clue. That whatever ascended was not a real bird
The line is a clue that something referred to as a “bird” ascended
An airplane is referred to as a “bird” and it can ascend

can we all just agree its a hot air balloon by this point? seeing as ive done all that work and all… lol…

maltedfalcon

A baseball game

how in any way is a wingless bat related to a baseball game?

Hawk

The Wright brothers aircraft is not a wingless bird
The line reads “A wingless bird ascended”
What is a Wingless bird?
Its a clue. A “bird” without wings is not a real bird
How did a wingless bird ascend?
obviously a real “wingless” bird cannot ascend
Another clue. That whatever ascended was not a real bird

Hawk

The line is a clue that something referred to as a “bird” ascended
An airplane is referred to as a “bird” and it can ascend

Actually a penguin is a wingless bird, it has flippers.
so was the Great Awk.
And an airplane by definition has wings (that’s the ‘plane’ part)
I get where you are going but your logic falls apart, when you say wingless bird = plane
I could see it if you said wingless bird = helicopter, wingless bird= balloon or even wingless bird=blimp.
But the whole point of the wright brothers, was they gave humans wings…
Now I can see if you considered humans = birds, because then wingless birds ,made wings and ascended.
but even then I don’t think humans = wingless birds…

Didn’t say a wingless bird was a plane
Said in aviation terms a plane is often referred to as a “bird”

how in any way is the wright brothers airplane a wingless bird
but any stretch of the imagination it has two separate wings 4 if you count the elevator
6 if you count the rudder
8 if you count the left wings and right wings as separate.

Hawk

Didn’t say a wingless bird was a plane
Said in aviation terms a plane is often referred to as a “bird”

yes a winged bird.

Nope…just a Bird
What would you think if the verse read
A wingless bat ascended?

A baseball game

its a hot air balloon. the first aircraft made in canada. and the first passenger flight in canadian history. it took off from the Zion Church (now demolished) in Griffintown, and flew over Isle Ste Helenes to the mainland on the other side of the St Lawrence.
while da vinci was the first person to conceive of flight:
“Methodically, he thoroughly calculated the amount of muscle and the distribution of it around the body that would be needed to make a human fly, and studied the ratio of the wing spans to the weight of a bird. After failure with that approach, however, he then moved to the study of the physics of flying. He studied the currents that affected the wings. He did this to understand how a bird flies without flapping its wings. He had previously thought a flapping machine was the answer, but later came to develop this premature theorem of lift:
“The wind that passes under the wing lifts it up just as a wedge lifts a weight. The flight of cranes…which proceeds to raise themselves by many turns after the manner of a screw…and a screw is of the nature of a wedge”.”
the first hot air ballon was NOT designed by Da Vinci, however…it was made in Portugal. while the first hot air balloon used for passenger flights was made in France in 1783. “the first balloon flight with humans aboard, a tethered flight, performed on or around October 15, 1783, by Jean-Francois Pilatre de Rozier who made at least one tethered flight from the Reveillon workshop in Faubourg St Antoine.” (you pass close to St Antoine Communitaire in Griffintown, before you kick over the Lachine (lochs), and make your way down that finger of land with habitat 67 on it, on your way to Notre Dame Island).
so its telling you the direction you need to travel next.

No… not seriously
Just making a point
A wingless bat can relate to something other than a bat
You selected baseball and illustrated your point with a video
A wingless bird can relate to something other than a bird
I illustrated with the Wright Brothers Aircraft

what if it was… a hot air balloon.

Hawk

how in any way is a wingless bat related to a baseball game?

Seriously?

JoshCornell

what if it was… a hot air balloon.

I bet it is a reference to a balloon, that makes the most sense to me.
BTW, The Balloon in montreal was not a hot air balloon
It was a gas balloon built by Goddard in Canada after his previous balloon crashed.
Is that a big difference , probably not but best to strive for accuracy.

Hawk

No… not seriously
Just making a point
A wingless bat can relate to something other than a bat
You selected baseball and illustrated your point with a video
A wingless bird can relate to something other than a bird
I illustrated with the Wright Brothers Aircraft

OK I get what you are saying, I was being humorous about the bat, although there are other baseball references in the Secret that is not one.