I feel like I need to clarify my position on this situation because others seem to be missing the point. I don’t believe the Strike13’s original post was an attempt to offer hard evidence of a connection between the Houston monument and the known image for Cleveland. I think that it was just an attempt to open a discussion about the possible connections to images, verses and actual (known and assumed) dig sites/cities.
There IS a similarity between the Houston monument and image 4. That is pretty clear. Does it mean anything or is it mere coincidence? That is what discussions are for.
When people immediately jump on the negative side, those discussions end. I am trying to keep an open mind to real and tangible possibilities. I don’t give a shit about a 1000 wolves that can be seen using photoshop or genius references to burial grounds that weren’t discovered until 10 years after the book was written.
Discussions that can potentially tie the different sites together interest me. Here is something more specific with the Cleveland and Boston puzzles.
Verse 4 has a line with the names Socrates, Pindar and Apelles.
It is known that the Greek cultural gardens in Cleveland had those names inscribed in the walls. I believe this is also how Johann originally linked the verse to that site. Those same walls have the names Thucydides and Xenophon inscribed on them. Nothing earth shattering or surprising, a bunch of famous Greeks.
Verse 3 has a line with the names Thucydides and Xenophon.
It is thought/speculated that verse 3 is tied to Boston. When you look at the walls of the Boston Public Library, Thucydides and Xenophon are inscribed there. Good clue, I guess. But, what bugs me is the fact that Socrates, Pindar and Apelles are also inscribed on the very same wall. Does this warrant a discussion about any possible connections? Another coincidence?
Boston Public Library

I find this intriguing for several reasons.
1. BP was an author as well as a publisher, and obviously well read. This theory could be a clever way of tying the verses together, like an epic poem.
2. It could also be a tool to help with the next puzzle. Let’s say a puzzle is “solved” and a casque comes out of the ground. Then it is conceivable that some clue at the site might give us insight to the next one.
3. Nothing in these puzzles is clear as day. For those looking for hard visual references, I think you will not find them. I believe most of the remaining puzzles are extremely vague. There may be one or two visuals, but not as clearly defined as Cleveland was.
I too would like to see a bit more reflection and discussion here. If you go back in time in the forum and look at the collaboration on theories, it was positive and productive. Today it just seems dismissive. Work together people!

Cleveland was the Greek themed puzzle. Boston is assumed to be the Italian themed puzzle. Priess and Palencar have both been known to say that the immigration themes are very important to the puzzles.
The Greek cultural gardens in Cleveland yielded a casque. There are image “confirmers” in the Greek puzzle that are found in the adjacent Italian gardens.
Why does the Italian themed puzzle have famous Greeks named in its verse?
More coincidences that should be ignored? Are we missing something?

BINGO

…what bugs me is the fact that Socrates, Pindar and Apelles are also inscribed on the very same wall…Another coincidence?

Pindar also appears on the “dauntless and inconquerable” Wright Brothers monument.

ive already told you there is something larger than the 12 treasure maps…they are each located within a larger puzzle that details the mythology of the city. this is without question. this is usually reinforced directly in the puzzles.

I think you took his comment the wrong way catherwood…not that there is a 13th puzzle, rather, the hunts fall within puzzles that are larger and designed around them. ive been trying to tell this to people for months lol. the 1 guy who listened to me is the only other guy making major progress, and hes only working on NO and St Aug

anus905

I think you took his comment the wrong way catherwood…not that there is a 13th puzzle, rather, the hunts fall within puzzles that are larger and designed around them. ive been trying to tell this to people for months lol. the 1 guy who listened to me is the only other guy making major progress, and hes only working on NO and St Aug

Is the other guy who listens to you named Josh Cornell?

I am josh…travis is the other guy. hes not on here.

I’ve found the Greek names on the walls of old buildings (libraries) in more than 10 cities.
The genericism of most things is really what applies. Statues of horses look like other statues of horses. Tea pots come in many shapes. Anything with markings in the places associated with eye, nose, and mouth will look like a face.
Uniqueness is a the characteristic we’re looking for. Don’t say “something looks like”, instead say “This shares a unique feature to X”.

you don’t actually do anything but troll, so whys anyone care what you think? lol

Goldengate

… says Josh “Anus” Cornell — who has been kicked off this forum twice for flooding it with literally thousands of trolling posts in the period of two months— posts like sleezy comments about members’ wives and UNDERAGED daughters, making racist comments about Asians in San Francisco, soliciting others’ theories off board so he can claim them as his own — oh, and writing graphic posts about how those who disagree with him should give him a ****job. On a forum meant for everyone — including KIDS.
Sure, you immature creep — whatever makes you feel relevant. After all, that special display shelf for the casques you set up in your mom’s basement still sits empty after you claimed you’d have nine casques in there by spring… unless you count excuses, in that case it’s filled to the brim.
BTW, any replies from all the journalists you begged to cover your “triumphs?” It must be hard to see others getting ink — I wonder why yours got passed over (actually, I know). And how are those offers on your documentary and book coming? Please keep us all updated from the public computer you have log in on since the admin here got so sick of you he blocked your IP.
Hot tip, Josh, nobody takes you seriously.

I can’t love this enough.
back to the hunt!
And erexere – agree with your comments, as well.

erexere

I’ve found the Greek names on the walls of old buildings (libraries) in more than 10 cities.

Johann found one a long time ago. Worked out pretty good for Egbert.
I wonder why all of the “greater puzzle within the puzzle” people are silent. It gets mentioned often by new and old posters.
Even JM from the podcast delivered it in a “we know more that you do” tone and it goes unchecked. Wonder why?

BINGO

Johann found one a long time ago. Worked out pretty good for Egbert.
I wonder why all of the “greater puzzle within the puzzle” people are silent. It gets mentioned often by new and old posters.
Even JM from the podcast delivered it in a “we know more that you do” tone and it goes unchecked. Wonder why?

I think it is difficult to know? Sometimes you work super hard to discover things and it’s hard to share. I’m also certain with the influx of people since the EU episode that only time will tell who is willing to put in the work. So many of those people(of which I am one) have dropped off already. I have to stop and laugh at myself sometimes because I get frustrated with people who just joined the hunt–like I’m such an expert. lol

BINGO

Johann found one a long time ago. Worked out pretty good for Egbert.
I wonder why all of the “greater puzzle within the puzzle” people are silent. It gets mentioned often by new and old posters.
Even JM from the podcast delivered it in a “we know more that you do” tone and it goes unchecked. Wonder why?

I firmly believe there is something bigger than 12 treasure maps. I’m not afraid to say that. From the perspective of solving each puzzle it might not matter, although it could streamline the approach. While I enjoy trying to solve the individual image and verse combos, my true desire is the crack the whole thing.
No one has to agree, this is my opinion. If I never figure it out, no harm done. If I do come up with a theory, it would be refreshing for people to consider it.

BINGO

Johann found one a long time ago. Worked out pretty good for Egbert.
I wonder why all of the “greater puzzle within the puzzle” people are silent. It gets mentioned often by new and old posters.
Even JM from the podcast delivered it in a “we know more that you do” tone and it goes unchecked. Wonder why?

I think that theory is being broken down by people who are starting to realize that these puzzles have been looked at the same way for 30 years with minimal results.
It might be time to look at them differently, more simply and separately. This whole “overarching grand scheme” has lead us directly into a wall, and instead of rethinking our path we are scouring each inch of the wall for clues.”

gManTexas

I firmly believe there is something bigger than 12 treasure maps. …While I enjoy trying to solve the individual image and verse combos, my true desire is the crack the whole thing.
No one has to agree, this is my opinion. If I never figure it out, no harm done. If I do come up with a theory, it would be refreshing for people to consider it.

I’m not sure I would consider any theory about a meta-puzzle without some indication that it was intentionally created from the start. It is possible to tie all 12 riddles into a thematic whole, such as immigration, without it being a 13th riddle to be solved. But I will read it in appreciation of the book’s underlying design elements, maybe even say, “well isn’t that clever.”

There’s also a tricky link to Canada:

It’s an idea worth exploring. If you don’t want to explore it then don’t. If you see something here, then do. One idea may lead to another that leads to another that finds a casque.
Verse 11 for example mentions “Two friends of octave” which could connect to the Symphony Hall in Chicago (Verse 12) and Mozart and Beethoven set in stone.
Verse 3 mentions X and T – they are found near the casque site for Verse 4.
Verse 6 starts “Of all the romance retold – Men of tales and tunes” – Verse 7 is thought to be near the Gardens of Shakespeare and the Temple of Music.
Yes we could be reading this the way we want to but it’s definitely highlighted some interesting connections.
Anyone want to look at the verses preceding the one you’re working on and see if there are any connections to the dig site you’re looking at?

MrSeabass

Again – you are basing this off of a centaur vs and a horse/rider that look nothing alike. Why are you looking for things that aren’t there?

Zoom out a little and look at the whole picture. The arch, the keystone, the overall shape of the monument. If you don’t see a strong resemblance, you are just being an ass.
Image 11 and verse 3 are generally accepted as a pair. If so, the Litany makes it the Italian themed puzzle.
Verse 3 has a reference to X and T. The known Cleveland site has X and T engraved in the wall just like the “accepted” Boston Public Library. To me, a BOSTONIAN, the fact that the Italian gardens in Cleveland are located next to another engraved X and T, and a known casque location, it just shouldn’t be ignored.
I’m not saying there is a Rosetta Stone that solves all of the puzzles located in Cleveland or Chicago, but there could be something that helps thread these locations together.
This just doesn’t seem like a case of tunneling or wishful thinking. The Cleveland painting looks like a pretty good rendition of the image (from Houston?) that was presented. Can’t understand why a reasonable discussion isn’t warranted.

MrSeabass

I’m an ass

Correct
As usual, your desire to be an ass is getting in your way of seeing the overall point.

Seabass You forgot to add the photo
Of Andrew Jackson on horseback
from New Orleans Jackson square

BINGO

Correct

LOL!! A bingo from Bingo.

MrSeabass

Overlooking the whole point of comparing a centaur to a horse and rider, you do realize that there’s probably *thousands* of statues of horsemen on pedestals across North America, right?

ya…i’ve got several in a one mile radius from me. wasn’t my fb post. just sharing dude

its meant to trick you!
he didn’t want to make it easy.
another one i noticed on my trip is the block in houston relating to new orleans (as they are all over randomly near the curbs in front of peoples houses).
ive got a few others written down.

MrSeabass

I’m an ass because two things don’t look alike. Got it.

I so desperately wanted to school ya, but he said it all… I’m with HIM!

Could be a really interesting angle to explore. Even just to look at the verses in a new light at least. Image 11/Verse 3 has been so difficult that I’d love to be able to look at it a new way. Maybe there’s something to the fact that Xenophon and Thucydides are seen near the Cleveland casque (of course they’d be there – it’s a Greek Garden) and then mentioned in a verse for another city. Maybe the first few lines of verse 3 (X and T) were meant to be a hint for that city (Boston we hope) but a slight wink to the casque site for another city as well (being Cleveland)?
I’m going down a rabbit hole I know but there could be something to a connection between them……or at least playful hints. Could the first few lines of one of the other verses connect somehow to the casque site for Chicago, Cleveland, St. Augustine or Houston? Hmmmm……..
More ramblings…….So if for Boston, we aren’t sure of the exact casque site but some hints/names/description from other verses may narrow it down? Seems like a stretch how I’ve described it but I’m definitely open to exploring it.

Haarstick

I’m going down a rabbit hole I know but there could be something to a connection between them……or at least playful hints. Could the first few lines of one of the other verses connect somehow to the casque site for Chicago, Cleveland, St. Augustine or Houston? Hmmmm……..

or is it possible he used knowledge based on classical literature across the whole hunt for various clues and and it turns out that’s a common theme in many cities across the United States.

I find it a little odd that Maltedfalcon is dismissing this as a possibility. Aren’t you part of the team that vaguely references a bigger puzzle within the puzzle?
This seems to me like it could be something worth exploring. Are Thucydides’ and Xenophon’s names located north/south of each other at the cultural gardens in Cleveland? They definitely are not at the Boston Public Library. Why couldn’t the casque sites and paintings have connections throughout the puzzle? Rabbit holes are a common path to take in this puzzle, what would make this any less likely?

Hola guys! I saw this an hour or so ago on the good old FB, and it really has me thinking that there could be something to it. Just wanted to throw this out for discussion to you all.
https://imgur.com/a/kJBPfLk

No I don’t think that rises to the level of a clue,
JJP used other artwork as inspiration.
we know the Chicago image was probably based on the $50 bill
the SF image was based on Leonardo DaVinci’s Virgin of the rocks
St Augustine was based on Frederic Remington’s The Conquistador
Montreal was based on Rembrandt’s Self-Portrait
So now you have discovered what the Cleveland image was based on, it was just a statue rather than another painting.
and that look-alike was discovered quite a while ago. and discussed on q4t.