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… the corner of four21thrasher’s orange and red dots (trees) should be moved across the path, closer to the fence and fixture.

… not my dots.

Welcome indeed 10×13
Would sure love to hear some of the other ideas your group came upon.  If some of them match some of what we have begun discussing some 20 years after you reached the same conclusion…then perhaps, we are onto something.
You were sure that you would be bombarded with questions so let me commence the air raid:
Welcome again Sir 10×13 (I think you deserve the ‘Sir’ title like our own Sir Egg) and I too hope you once again find yourself immersed in the wonderful hunt and help us find the remaining 10 casques.

erexere

For clarity, key words in the verse having to do with some intended purpose in each verse AND extending each respsective jewel to what key words are used to describe them in the Litany is as far as the model goes for me. What specific words or objects were used in Chicago are in no way representative of other puzzles, because each have ample room for their own specifics, but HOW any idiomatic usage or word meaning is applied to have a desired result or “hidden” purpose is in basic sense established by how Cleveland and Chicago may be demonstrated to work. It’s purely speculative, however, given that MUCH information has been packaged by third-parties.

what information? packaged by which third parties?

I have less confidence in this puzzle for not having been tonthe site in person. The inconsistencies in exactly where thencasque was placed fuel some of the confusion as well.
I really like the aerial and appreciate 421thrasher’s input for verifying the measurements. There are two very particular shapes on the painting and both are drawn left of the center vertical axis. I believe the idea to “line up” with fence and fixture means to take those background elements into account when standing at the site. Facing north towards Jackson, the fixture will be somewhat more to the left than the fence halo is left innthe upper background when facing west. This position might be best described as the consequence of trying to line up with the trees in line. The numeric factor of just one or both axis if the trees could’ve been the basis for determining the most ideal factors for 130 degrees.
I think degrees is much more significant than anyone knew. Things to consider:
1) image 5 displays the emerald
2) litany of the jewels describes Celtic emerald as the bright eyes, cold morning green.
3) emerald is the May birthstone
4) cold mornings or the average low temperature for Chicago in the month of May are about 20 degrees
5) the facial profile of image 5 looks remarkably like Ulysses S. Grant, he is featured on the $50 bill.
6) Andrew Jackson is featured on the $20 bill
When I ponder all of these items along with the idea that the Chicago water tower could be acting as an example of a vertical pipe with varying heights of water, that is something comparable to a common thermometer, then I see something like Grant/Jackson and 130 degrees being put together.

erexere

Someone once suggested 10×13 = 130 degrees.

how then would you define the end of 130 degrees
and it was suggested as from Lincoln, at least that had to end a the fence.
but going the other way nothing is there to stop you from heading back to lincoln

erexere

I have less confidence in this puzzle for not having been tonthe site in person. The inconsistencies in exactly where thencasque was placed fuel some of the confusion as well.
I really like the aerial and appreciate 421thrasher’s input for verifying the measurements. There are two very particular shapes on the painting and both are drawn left of the center vertical axis. I believe the idea to “line up” with fence and fixture means to take those background elements into account when standing at the site. Facing north towards Jackson, the fixture will be somewhat more to the left than the fence halo is left innthe upper background when facing west. This position might be best described as the consequence of trying to line up with the trees in line. The numeric factor of just one or both axis if the trees could’ve been the basis for determining the most ideal factors for 130 degrees.
I think degrees is much more significant than anyone knew. Things to consider:
1) image 5 displays the emerald
2) litany of the jewels describes Celtic emerald as the bright eyes, cold morning green.
3) emerald is the May birthstone
4) cold mornings or the average low temperature for Chicago in the month of May are about 20 degrees
5) the facial profile of image 5 looks remarkably like Ulysses S. Grant, he is featured on the $50 bill.
6) Andrew Jackson is featured on the $20 bill
When I ponder all of these items along with the idea that the Chicago water tower could be acting as an example of a vertical pipe with varying heights of water, that is something comparable to a common thermometer, then I see something like Grant/Jackson and 130 degrees being put together.

I don’t think it’s that deep.

Other than stopping at a point that lines up with the fence halo/post, I’m not sure.

yup, it should be much deeper

Spiritr

yup, it should be much deeper

I gotta disagree. There isn’t much to the Chicago puzzle. Very superficial and laid out in a couple block radius.

Yeah?
Believe me, I struggle with the collisions and depths of the ideas that may or may not be ar work here.
While I’ve made several factual declarations, they arent necessarily true of the puzzle. We know Grant Park was the location of the Chicago casque and it doesnt really mean a $50 dollar bill is actually something upon which Preiss and JJP drew any inspiration. Same with Jackson on the $20 and East Jackson Dr., or the temperature idea, where using the litany reference to Emerald and the word “cold” in such a way is in any way an intentional piece of said deep, deeper, or non-deep puzzle.
Idiomatic elements make this puzzle something other than obvious or literal. When Preiss uses words like hush and cold, we cant be certain he isnt thinking of money with words that are sometimes used interchangibly so, such as “green”, “cold, hard cash” or “hush money”.
Struggle on.

erexere

Yeah?
Believe me, I struggle with the collisions and depths of the ideas that may or may not be ar work here.
While I’ve made several factual declarations, they arent necessarily true of the puzzle. We know Grant Park was the location of the Chicago casque and it doesnt really mean a $50 dollar bill is actually something upon which Preiss and JJP drew any inspiration. Same with Jackson on the $20 and East Jackson Dr., or the temperature idea, where using the litany reference to Emerald and the word “cold” in such a way is in any way an intentional piece of said deep, deeper, or non-deep puzzle.
Idiomatic elements make this puzzle something other than obvious or literal. When Preiss uses words like hush and cold, we cant be certain he isnt thinking of money with words that are sometimes used interchangibly so, such as “green”, “cold, hard cash” or “hush money”.
Struggle on.

I like the idea of the money. I just don’t think we can then somehow relate this to a hypothetical thermometer to create some imaginary number then translate it into a set of degrees to vector to the casque location.
It’s not that complicated.

Yeah, I dont like it either, but what if it is only that complex. We dont really know, nor have we really tugged as many strings in the other puzzles. We’ve certainly tried many angles, and many more complex notions, or just tried to make some random place or object work to our needs. Question is, how much discretion is needed? We stumble hard not knowing,, that’s for sure.

erexere

Other than stopping at a point that lines up with the fence halo/post, I’m not sure.

well if you lined up with the fixture you would be way short….

erexere

Yeah, I dont like it either, but what if it is only that complex. We dont really know, nor have we really tugged as many strings in the other puzzles. We’ve certainly tried many angles, and many more complex notions, or just tried to make some random place or object work to our needs. Question is, how much discretion is needed? We stumble hard not knowing,, that’s for sure.

I agree to a certain extent, but let’s put the Chicago puzzle in perspective.
First, this puzzle is not by any means a model for the rest.
Second, the guys that found the casque were a group of high school kids, and spent maybe 6 months figuring it out. They did receive some assistance from BP, but for the most part, they had figured out the general location from the Image and Verse alone. If we read the notes and solution, there wasn’t anything deep or involved with it. Just see this object, go to the next object, most of which were either explicitly shown in the Image or described in the verse. I went there late last year, and you could almost find the casque today if you had to, with the exception of the trees.
While this puzzle is not a good model for the rest, it is the best evidence with direct interaction with BP we have. I would think that if there were some deep complex meanings behind it, he would have said, “you guys need to think deeper before I give you clues.”

For clarity, key words in the verse having to do with some intended purpose in each verse AND extending each respsective jewel to what key words are used to describe them in the Litany is as far as the model goes for me. What specific words or objects were used in Chicago are in no way representative of other puzzles, because each have ample room for their own specifics, but HOW any idiomatic usage or word meaning is applied to have a desired result or “hidden” purpose is in basic sense established by how Cleveland and Chicago may be demonstrated to work. It’s purely speculative, however, given that MUCH information has been packaged by third-parties.

Unknown

Unknown:
Very superficial and laid out in a couple block radius.

Just like Saint Augustine and Houston. And allowing for distance, Milwaukee and Roanoke as well.

Unknown

Unknown:
(cont’d from above)
Andy and I absorbed a lot of information that B.Preiss had told us about The Secret.  I hope I can recall all of it for you here:
1.  The Chicago casque was found by 2 young stockbrokers, who lived in Chicago, and had recognized some of the sites and verse references right away.  However, at the time, there was some type of renovation occurring, in which a large marble or concrete object had been placed over the burial site.  So, they took a picture of it, and sent it to B.Preiss, who acknowledged that as soon as the renovation was finished, the treasure was theirs.  He doesn’t recall meeting them, doesn’t have a copy of any newspaper article, but does recall that an article was run in one of the major Chicago newspapers at the time.  Flipping through the book, B.Preiss told us that “M and B” stand for Mozart and Beethoven.
“Ten by thirteen” refers to feet.
“Brush” refers to the Art Museum.

I don’t want to beat a dead horse but I think it’s important we get it right. This is directly from the Cleveland thread and Egbert’s post:
If it’s not trees, how did they figure out 10×13?
“Fifteen rows down..In the center of twenty one” might refer to feet as well.

So, I was strolling around Chicago the other day on a family trip (but by myself for the moment) and happened to spy this only a couple of blocks from the treasure ground:
It’s not an exact match, but pretty close?
It is the marquee on the Target at 1 S. State Street. Here is the location, and I placed a “target” where the treasure was found:
You can read about the building, and see a better picture of the marquee, here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carson,_Pirie,_Scott_and_Company_Building
edit: fixed link

That’s a significant find Forest. Good job!
This hunt doesn’t stop intriguing me.

So…despite all popular theory, an interlinking commonality between verse and visual elements may be characterized by the word “conductor”.
I assumed the many objects on the giant’s hat were “ornaments”, but they might better be thought of as gargoyles, since the hat is essentialy a castle.  Gargoyles are a form of ornamentation but their purpose is generally an architectural decoration with the purpose of channeling the flow of rainwater.  Many act as downspouts.  Downspouts are “conductors”.  An unexpexted usage of the word “hush” may apply to a waterspout, aka “pipe down”, such an elegant and simple conclusion.
Too bad the area in Chicago has changed significantly.  I would love to see where any water spouts might have been.

Chicago hasn’t changed that much in the area of grant park or the water tower. Actually Chicago seems to be the least changed of all the areas.
it is easy to go exactly to where the casque was found and see almost all the clues.
Been there, done that…

We shouldn’t stop short of understanding the nature of these puzzles.  That is the main obstacle to finding casques.  I’m freeing myself from the shortsightedness.  I’m learning that homonyms aren’t fitting with this the more I see that exact definitions are holding.  Please take a moment to reconsider things.  Your mistaken if you think I am saying all is homonymous or random association.  You have to contend with oversimplifications in the same way, since they are no more determined as “right or wrong” and in fact fail to work in a structured format.  Saying something is just as it is, a cigar is a cigar, is abandoning the process of problem solving.  The same goes for applying Occams Razor to a situation that has been framed poorly.

Rumble = nearby train tracks
Brush = nearby art gallery
Music = nearby music hall
Plain and simple. Which in no way ties into Amelia Earhart because Plain is a homonym of Plane (or airplane) and simple is the antonym of difficult and the most difficult flight I can think of is Amelia’s last flight. This is not how these puzzles work, as fun as that may be. Oh my….this is how is spirals out of control…I was just making up a ridiculous comment but then found this
http://galleries.apps.chicagotribune.com/chi-130426-amelia-earhart-pictures/
We have to stop digging to deep to force fits. That is where it leads us.

erexere

We shouldn’t stop short of understanding the nature of these puzzles.  That is the main obstacle to finding casques.

The main thing preventing us from finding theses treasures is THE PASSAGE OF TIME. Things are changing, trees are growing, visual confirmers are becoming more obscure. I believe we have a good grasp on the nature of these puzzles, Sir Egg can attest to that.