Diceycat

Another question/ problem I have with these1980 aerial photos is , ( unless someone knows for certain),were all these aerial photos taken in 1980 for all the US locations and published in 1980 ( seems like a massive undertaking), or were they taken in prior years stitched together and published in 1980 ?

Simple- you are over thinking this.
Maps are listed by their original copyright date (or the date they are first printed)
but new versions of the map are listed under the original copyright date, but with a revision code/letter/date on the legend.
So you could have a 1978 map revised and printed in 1985 it would still show the 1978 date but in the legend you will see the 1985 revision date or code (sometimes you have to lookup how to translate the code, it might be a letter number combo etc.) but most map publishers publish the revision codes.
They don’t change the copyright date until the map is totally re-drawn.
Aerial photographs are different, – more real time- a reference aerial photo will normally have the month and year it was taken.
So a 1981 Aerial photo was taken in 1981. they include the month (and sometimes the date) because obviously a picture taken in January 81 in New York, is going to look very different than a picture taken in August of 81.
The photos were continually taken starting in 1955 , so that everything (the entire USA) got imaged every couple years, they got better, faster and had more photos per area as time went on
So yes- an unknown date on an Aerial photo would make the image mostly useless for research of any type.
That is why they are very careful to correctly date label aerial photos.
Yes it was truly a massive undertaking, That’s why there are thousands of USGS employees and USDA employees, its a really big job.

Diceycat

So does anyone know the exact date when those buildings were demolished? After reading that recent post about the Chicago find ,one small change in the topography and your stumped (Tree today gone tomorrow).

So from the photos we can see in 66 it was there
in 74 it was there
in 80 it was there
in 1995 it was gone. although the two parking lots next to the building were still there.
So from this research we can’t say the building was there in 81, we can say the lot that the building was on was intact including the surrounding roads until 95
Therefore the shape you see today around the firefighters field did not exist prior to 1995.
That’s the kind of basic research you have to do for any possible solve.
or just go dig and see if the casque is there…

Incidentally, re: the cars, they might tie in with the Chrysler building.
BP also played with making one thing look like another in
Imagine A Day
.
“In another painting, children walk along a picket fence, which almost imperceptibly turns into a city skyline that features the Chrysler Building.”
Chrysler may also connect with Chrysanthemum, the image 12 flower (from Chrysos, gold).

Hi.
It’s nice to see you posting again, Doghouse.
I have to say that for a super long time I was questioning the v10 connection with NY, but then I saw some imagery in the back of the book that kind of clinched it for me. Of course, I have been told numerous times that “there’s nothing in the back of the book” so what do I know?
But, yeah. I’d be happy if some of the pairings were off.

I think this verse is for Boston Public Garden
The GREY GIANTt is the statue of George Washington at the west end of the park
IN THE SUMMER YOU HEAR A WHIRRING SOUND
That is the swan boats in the lake.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swan_Boat … sachusetts
)
Only operated May to September. that is why BP says in the summer. So it is not a year round activity
Japanese translation says they powered by humans as are the swan boats
CARS ABOUND
The park is bound by Arlington, Boylston, Beacon and Charles St
ALTHOUGH THE SIGN NEARBY SPEAKS OF INDIES NATIVE
Statue of Alexander Hamilton across Arglinton street has a this quote inscribed
ALEXANDER HAMILTON.
BORN IN THE ISLAND OF
NEVIS, WEST INDIES
11 JANUARY 1757,
DIED IN NEW YORK 12 JULY 1804
http://tm01001.blogspot.com/2014/06/sta … ander.html
THE NATIVES STILL SPEAK OF HIM OF HARD WORD IN 3 VOLS
Japanese translation clues to Charles Dickens who stayed in Boston at the Parker House a few blocks a way
There is a plaque outside the Hotel with Charles Dickens Name
http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WMP3 … _Boston_MA
Also in ABROAD IN AMERICA page 84 quotes DICKENS as finding Boston the only agreeable city in America and his fondest for the city
I Think ONE BRANCH OF THE V is the area east of Washington Statue. There is plot of grass. On the south is the Main East west walk way through park. To the North is the ISLE OF B. which my guess is little island in pond
The casque spot would be in the area south of the ROBIN WILLIAMS Bench.
That is my guess down to the 20 by 20 foot area.

Doghousereiley

I think this verse is for Boston Public Garden
The GREY GIANTt is the statue of George Washington at the west end of the park
IN THE SUMMER YOU HEAR A WHIRRING SOUND
That is the swan boats in the lake.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swan_Boat … sachusetts
)
Only operated May to September. that is why BP says in the summer. So it is not a year round activity
Japanese translation says they powered by humans as are the swan boats
CARS ABOUND
The park is bound by Arlington, Boylston, Beacon and Charles St
ALTHOUGH THE SIGN NEARBY SPEAKS OF INDIES NATIVE
Statue of Alexander Hamilton across Arglinton street has a this quote inscribed
ALEXANDER HAMILTON.
BORN IN THE ISLAND OF
NEVIS, WEST INDIES
11 JANUARY 1757,
DIED IN NEW YORK 12 JULY 1804
http://tm01001.blogspot.com/2014/06/sta … ander.html
THE NATIVES STILL SPEAK OF HIM OF HARD WORD IN 3 VOLS
Japanese translation clues to Charles Dickens who stayed in Boston at the Parker House a few blocks a way
There is a plaque outside the Hotel with Charles Dickens Name
http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WMP3 … _Boston_MA
Also in ABROAD IN AMERICA page 84 quotes DICKENS as finding Boston the only agreeable city in America and his fondest for the city
I Think ONE BRANCH OF THE V is the area east of Washington Statue. There is plot of grass. On the south is the Main East west walk way through park. To the North is the ISLE OF B. which my guess is little island in pond
The casque spot would be in the area south of the ROBIN WILLIAMS Bench.
That is my guess down to the 20 by 20 foot area.

I love your line of thinking because I am really having issues with v3, img 11 as a pair.
Those swan boats do not make any noise at all however.
Indies on the sign is great though! As with Dickens.

Doghousereiley

I think this verse is for Boston Public Garden
The GREY GIANTt is the statue of George Washington at the west end of the park
IN THE SUMMER YOU HEAR A WHIRRING SOUND
That is the swan boats in the lake.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swan_Boat … sachusetts
)
Only operated May to September. that is why BP says in the summer. So it is not a year round activity
Japanese translation says they powered by humans as are the swan boats
CARS ABOUND
The park is bound by Arlington, Boylston, Beacon and Charles St
ALTHOUGH THE SIGN NEARBY SPEAKS OF INDIES NATIVE
Statue of Alexander Hamilton across Arglinton street has a this quote inscribed
ALEXANDER HAMILTON.
BORN IN THE ISLAND OF
NEVIS, WEST INDIES
11 JANUARY 1757,
DIED IN NEW YORK 12 JULY 1804
http://tm01001.blogspot.com/2014/06/sta … ander.html
THE NATIVES STILL SPEAK OF HIM OF HARD WORD IN 3 VOLS
Japanese translation clues to Charles Dickens who stayed in Boston at the Parker House a few blocks a way
There is a plaque outside the Hotel with Charles Dickens Name
http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WMP3 … _Boston_MA
Also in ABROAD IN AMERICA page 84 quotes DICKENS as finding Boston the only agreeable city in America and his fondest for the city
I Think ONE BRANCH OF THE V is the area east of Washington Statue. There is plot of grass. On the south is the Main East west walk way through park. To the North is the ISLE OF B. which my guess is little island in pond
The casque spot would be in the area south of the ROBIN WILLIAMS Bench.
That is my guess down to the 20 by 20 foot area.

How do you apply the rest of the Verse? Image 11 does not have a clock.

the swan boats dont make any noise? Damn. Strike One
Maybe since 1983 they got new and improved ones that are quieter?
Are you in Boston? Been there long? Know any history on Boston Public Garden?
Are there any statues without stretch hands?
Any other flaws in my guess?

gManTexas

How do you apply the rest of the Verse? Image 11 does not have a clock.

I am not using image 11 for Boston

Doghousereiley

I am not using image 11 for Boston

You probably should have included that disclaimer up front.

gManTexas

You probably should have included that disclaimer up front.

Sorry. Next time I will make the note
I thought this thread was just about the verse. Not the assumed pairings which I don’t wholly agree

Doghousereiley

Sorry. Next time I will make the note
I thought this thread was just about the verse. Not the assumed pairings which I don’t wholly agree

Right, but Verse 10 indicates that there should be a clock, which limits the pairings to certain Images. And honestly, at this point we are no longer in pure Verse analysis mode. The pairings have been made already.

gManTexas

How do you apply the rest of the Verse? Image 11 does not have a clock.

How do you know??? Maybe the circle above the woman’s head represents a clock. No one knows. We dont need to be applying everything in the verse and the image all the time to bounces ideas off one another…there is such a thing of looking at bits and pieces before generating a “solve”

strike13

How do you know??? Maybe the circle above the woman’s head represents a clock. No one knows. We dont need to be applying everything in the verse and the image all the time to bounces ideas off one another…there is such a thing of looking at bits and pieces before generating a “solve”

Easy Slugger. There is no obvious clock. Better?

I disagree. I think the the wiki verse image pairings have obviously bore no fruit and that they are incorrect
You run your search your way and I will run mine my way
you can make your own assumptions. I am not using Oregonian flawed info.
I prefer to keep an open mind. Thank you

Doghousereiley

I disagree. I think the the wiki verse image pairings have obviously bore no fruit and that they are incorrect
You run your search your way and I will run mine my way
you can make your own assumptions. I am not using Oregonian flawed info.
I prefer to keep an open mind. Thank you

I put very little stock in the Wiki site, however, there has been 37 years of collective work into pairing the Images and Verses.
No need to come out swinging, and you are free to search however you see fit. However, I can say that posting on a forum is inviting critique and probably some skepticism. If you have a plausible match and it walks through, then yeah post it.

gManTexas

I put very little stock in the Wiki site, however, there has been 37 years of collective work into pairing the Images and Verses.
No need to come out swinging, and you are free to search however you see fit. However, I can say that posting on a forum is inviting critique and probably some skepticism. If you have a plausible match and it walks through, then yeah post it.

I am not swinging. jeez every one is soooo sensitive
and those 37 of years of work has dug up 1 casque of 11. With how many holes dug in those 37 years. Can you really say the image verse pairings are solid?
if you read my earlier post after the proposed new park to verse 10 I asked if my guess had any other flaws
I was inviting criticism and skepticism. Swans boats dont make noise I learned. at least not in 2018. maybe in 1982?
besides the lacking a clock image do you have any criticism or suggestions?

Doghousereiley

I am not swinging. jeez every one is soooo sensitive
and those 37 of years of work has dug up 1 casque of 11. With how many holes dug in those 37 years. Can you really say the image verse pairings are solid?
if you read my earlier post after the proposed new park to verse 10 I asked if my guess had any other flaws
I was inviting criticism and skepticism. Swans boats dont make noise I learned. at least not in 2018. maybe in 1982?
besides the lacking a clock image do you have any criticism or suggestions?

I think you’d have to build a case for every line of the Verse, not just selectively picked lines.

I think you’d have to build a case for every line of the Verse, not just selectively picked lines.
right but, this isn’t even the case currently for the verses paired to images now. otherwise we’d have more found. it all starts with pieces.

strike13

right but, this isn’t even the case currently for the verses paired to images now. otherwise we’d have more found. it all starts with pieces.

Okay, carry on then.

gManTexas

Okay, carry on then.

Is it not it ok for people to have different approaches and opinions on how to best crack all this? I think that is what will facilitate the next find.

strike13

Is it not it ok for people to have different approaches and opinions on how to best crack all this? I think that is what will facilitate the next find.

strike13

Is it not it ok for people to have different approaches and opinions on how to best crack all this? I think that is what will facilitate the next find.

Absolutely. And we come here to discuss, agree, disagree, etc. You should know by now that I am very open-minded, but any theories have to be tested, including my own.

I like it also, but I have two problems with it.  First, the way the  v  is written in the verse, it’s a lower case letter.  Roman Numeral V is an upper case letter.  just look at any clock.  Plus, how do you find a
branch
in a row of cannon balls.  Second, you would have to have the Verrazano as
the grey giant
and then the cannon.  It very well may be, I just happen to think that in order to find the
slender path
, you would more likely find it the way I found it.  Well, I didn’t find it, but the light went off when I put myself on top of the WTC and the crown of Lady liberty and saw the slender path.
I still like your ideas Trohn, and I’ll consider them when I get to JPJ Park.
edit;  I’m laughing about the Led Zeppelin albums.  Remember the label?  A month ago I was driving home from work one day and looking at Lady Liberty from her back, and started thinking there was an angel on Zeppelin’s record label.  I sped home to check, turns out it’s a dude with wings, and more like the devil.  The label was called Swan Song.
(Just a note to shecrab-If we were all worried about being embarrassed, there wouldn’t be any posts. I hope u can forget about it.)

boogieman

Hard to follow.  How do you make a  v  out of a row of cannon balls?  And are you referring to the cannon as the
arm that extends
?

V meaning the five of them.
Yes, I am thinking that the Cannon is the arm (from the meaning of arms or ariment)
Is it a locked in solve, no, but it is an interpretation of the area.

I like (however I am by no means saying it is 100% correct) Trohn’s idea of V = roman numeral 5.  This is the kind of thing BP would use…

boogieman

I still like your ideas Trohn, and I’ll consider them when I get to JPJ Park.
(Just a note to shecrab-If we were all worried about being embarrassed, there wouldn’t be any posts. I hope u can forget about it.)

They are only ideas until the casques are unearthed.
Another random thought in looking at the Parrot Cannon Photo (from the Bay Ridge page)
would there always (anytime during the day – not at night) be a shadow formed under neath
the barrel?  So would a constant shadow be cast on the slender path bwteen the front of the cannon and the line
of five cannon balls????
– Find the arm that extends over the slender path
The Head of the cannon (one armiment) extends over the slender path
(the path being the grasy strip between the concrete base of the cannon and
the concrete base of the line of the cannon balls)
Thoughts to consider-
‘The grey giant’ and ‘the arm that extends’  are two different objects
within close proximty to each other.
to be resolved:
– why summer
–  why whirring
–  why hour
–  specifically what branch?

More than five cannon balls in front of the cannon.
http://www.crystalinks.com/cannonballpark.html

More photos of the cannon and Bay Ridge.
http://www.forgotten-ny.com/forgottentour20/tour20.html
As a bonus for this page, there is a photo of a
“distinctive sandstone clock tower” erected in the
late 1800’s.
haven’t matched it with the image yet.
edit:  Nope, not the same and not close.

Trohn

More than five cannon balls in front of the cannon.

I saw that.  look at these. (OK, you just posted again while I’m doing this.  I’ll put them up anyway)
For arguments sake, there isn’t any path that the cannon extends over.  The extention would have to be a fired cannon ball that flies over the Narrows.  To which, the ball never reaches the other side.  So the arm (cannon) only extends
into
the slender path.
I think the
simple roots
has to be the stopper here.

The largest structure in Brooklyn.
Over 500 feet.
And across the street from a nice park.

Note that Image 12 has the
stained glass images as small
objects, not as close up markers.
This signafies landmarks from a
skyline.
Here I show a view from one of the
skyline landmarks, the clock, looking
out at the steel giant.  This is for
distance comparison.
Under the shadow of, versus, in
view of.

Cormac

I think we will find our solution here in  Electrogravitics.

Hey Cormac, long time no see. Glad you’re still around, even if your posts are slightly gnomic…

If you google  Electrogravitics  Wiki
Some, such as Byron Preiss, considered electrogravitics development to be “much ado about nothing, started by a bunch of engineers who didn’t know enough physics”. Preiss stated that electrogravitics, like exobiology, is “a science without a single specimen for study”.[3]
3. ^ Byron Preiss (1985). The Planets. Bantam Books. p. 27.
So we have Byron Preiss discussing Physics… and I’ve already presented a person with a very logical link to
Physics, The Russian image in the picture, him of Hard word in 3 Vols., a prominent literary figure that is very easily referenced,
AND though he’s Russian born he grew up in the Prospect Park area.
Understanding Physics: Volume 1: Motion, Sound, and Heat
Understanding Physics: Volume 2: Light, Magnetism and Electricity
Understanding Physics: Volume 3: Electron, Proton, and Neutron
for “him of Hard word in 3 Vols.” I give you (again)…    Isaac Asimov

I looked back… this must be the answer…. I got hooked on Prospect park on July 13 (2009).
My wife’s birthday, which is also a combination of my birth month and lucky number.
Divine inspiration I tell ya!!!

it’s great to have you back cormac!
was thinking more of The Foundation Trilogy
“Asimov’s father sold his third candy store and bought his fourth, at 174 Windsor Place, in the Park Slope section of Brooklyn, and the family moved to a house across the street.”
i liked the candy store because of the devil dogs (junk food or marines)
i can’t find any markers to asimov…….’cept i think there is a picture maybe at ellis island..not sure
but going straight from his store on 10th to prospect park you hit, harmony playground and the bandshell

thanks for the pictures boogieman! i’m getting so excited for you guys!
i find it interesting that the led zeppelin III album has “‘The Immigrant Song”….
boogieman, in our picture in the book, what do you think the stones and the “topaz” stand for?  do you think the “topaz” just means brooklyn?
i was trying to figure out which monument matched up to those stones in the image.  in this map:
http://gis.nyc.gov/parks/lc/NYCParkMapIt.do
it doesn’t tell which is which..
i found it interesting that the dover patrol one was in that raid on April “22”……..because that “take twice as many east steps as the hour”
http://flickr.com/photos/wallyg/1994476660/
from the park  site it says the dover monument is at ft. hamilton park and the flagstaff is at john paul jones park……..is that how it is really?
wonder if the “v” could be for 5th avenue?
fox mentioned a sign on a fence…i like that idea too, but the plaque seems perfect since you have to look down.
did u dig on the north side of the plaque?
outside the fence?

Unknown

Unknown:
from the park  site it says the dover monument is at ft. hamilton park and the flagstaff is at john paul jones park……..is that how it is really?
wonder if the “v” could be for 5th avenue?

Maybe not Fifth Avenue, but I really like the idea of the V being “five.”
And that five could be a Roman Numeral on any edifice–or clock.

slappybuns

boogieman
i was wondering, since i think there’s only 4 things in the park, could you match them with the “stones, or whatever” in the image, to the park?
http://www.nycgovparks.org/parks/B035/monuments/page/1
like, it would be the 2nd one from left, or 3rd from the right?
which is the flagpole?

Not sure what you mean by “match up” but here is the flagpole where Fox and I dug.  The obelisk is to the right about 10 to 15 yards.

I can’t find anything connecting the topaz to the verse or brooklyn.  Can’t connect November to it either.  I thought that the other objects next to the topaz in image12 were eye balls or something.  Stones are ineresting.  The way they are laid out in the image haven’t hit me either.
Other than the Liberty face, the bridge, and WTC, the rest of the image irks me.  Digging in JPJ park is really a shot in the dark.  The verse fits nicely but like we all know, you can squeeze anything anywhere.  I’m hoping that there once was a JPJ Park sign 22 western steps away from the flagpole at one time.  That would take us to one branch of the v shaped flag cables. It really is a perfect place to hide a casque.
Looking down and seeing simple roots in JPJ’s soil where the plaque is.  If we could tie up the loose ends this would be sweet.
The park was dedicated to JPJ in 69′.  Maybe there were still signs all over the place in 81′.  So long ago…
edit: a lot of the internet info confuses Fort Hamilton with JPJ park.  The entire area is considered but not named “The Fort Hamilton Area”.  The Dover Monument is just feet away from the JPJ flagpole in JPJ park.

Ahh, such fond memories.  Thanks for the pic Boogie.  Both Fate and Destiny showed up to our little gathering in the park in the form of a truckload of gardening tools….unfortunately, I think we forgot to send out Luck’s invitation.  Sorry, I do not recall where the JPJ sign was.  Are you referring to the small sign with the leaf shape on it?  I kind of think there was one of those along the fence towards the water and the end of the V bridge nearest the park.{in your pic, it would be out of frame towards the left}..not sure though.
Good luck guys…dig this one up for me.  If you do happen to find it on the other side of the flagpole, save a jar of dirt for me, ok?

well, she’s floating in the air, like a flag would do
, but she’s probably just being the statue of liberty in the harbor.
i just hope it’s not something you have to figure out like this:
Lecture 13: Simple Roots.
Recall: De¯nition: A ¯finite subset R ½ V satisfying the following is called a root
system in V .
ugh, simple roots and a V
(i don’t know how to post those subset symbols)
i would fix some sort of 007 gadget in a cane, where u press a button and a long, steel rod comes out the bottom of the cane……..i’ve seen  a knife come out of a cane in some movie…….i would do that and stroll around with it, but it would be nice if it had a lot of pressure, like an air gun or something, hmmm maybe someone could invent this for our hunters, lol
and call it “buns of steel” ………after me ( slappy “buns)

Doghousereiley

Thank you for the input
Is there anything else in Boston public garden powered by humans? I dont suppose a lot of bicycles are in the park
Also is there a statue with an out stretched arm over a slender path?

Bicycle riding is forbidden in the Public Garden, and you’ll get yelled at by park rangers and even members of the general public.
There kind of is, someone just posted the picture of the angel, but it’s wayyy off in a corner, and the arm isn’t really over a path. Also, the area around the statue was totally renovated a year or two ago.

maltedfalcon

That is true but minus the centaur they were basically all taken from the same place -and when taken as a whole it said “Here!”
I just don’t think Ellis Island comes into play here and has been an unintentional red herring from long ago. So yes it could be a “Chimera” or we just aren’t “Here” yet.

.
http://forgotten-ny.com/2014/12/storks-nest-st-george/
I thought the legs looked like a stork maybe

Wicket

.
http://forgotten-ny.com/2014/12/storks-nest-st-george/
I thought the legs looked like a stork maybe

https://tinyurl.com/y9gvqcn2
The bird flying upside down has long legs, I think it is a swallow. This is on a memorial in Central Park.

erexere

I thought the only song links were from Moody Blues and Led Zepplin.

If you bear with me, I will explain a few more possibilities.

Wicket

.
http://forgotten-ny.com/2014/12/storks-nest-st-george/
I thought the legs looked like a stork maybe

https://tinyurl.com/y9gvqcn2
The bird flying upside down has long legs, I think it is a swallow. This is on a memorial in Central Park.
Are you trolling?

drunknerds

I like this new poster

Thank you. I have a good bit to put down in writing. I have never been on a forum like this so I am not sure if I am posting correctly. I am a cryptographer and have worked on this for 2 days so far. One thing is extremely obvious, Preiss had an extremely high IQ. He uses rock bands, anagrams, touristy locations, and some obscure locations. I am trying to get a profile of him so I can pick his brain. PREISS is an anagram of SPIRES!!! ahahaha

Wicket

Thank you. I have a good bit to put down in writing. I have never been on a forum like this so I am not sure if I am posting correctly. I am a cryptographer and have worked on this for 2 days so far. One thing is extremely obvious, Preiss had an extremely high IQ. He uses rock bands, anagrams, touristy locations, and some obscure locations. I am trying to get a profile of him so I can pick his brain. PREISS is an anagram of SPIRES!!! ahahaha

erexere

Kryptos. Fun. I’m at a stop point. Not sure what to do next.

Odds are you need to be on site to get the key.
So that isn’t happening anytime soon.

gManTexas

John Bonham died. That was kind of a big deal.

Of course! So we have to look for that too!

What is trolling? I have no idea how to answer that.

maltedfalcon

well I know pages are missing at the end. Because they made changes.
I don’t know about the front, but until you verify I would not assume that the page numbers in the reprint match the orignal
and the kindle has no page numbers at all (except for the kindle generated ones.)
So good luck, That being said, I teach cryptography in college, I’ve not seen any evidence of encrypted data,
steganography, simple ciphers, or codes.

That’s a shame. When I look for “code” I try to use first editions, especially in Shakespeare. I may have to go to a University library.

Wicket

What is trolling? I have no idea how to answer that.

And why the sad smiley face? What gives? i do not use social media so if I posted incorrectly just let me know.

erexere

Kryptos. Fun. I’m at a stop point. Not sure what to do next.

For Kryptos? Use the error for a starting point. I have part of the solve but it hurts my head. This kind of puzzle is a diversion.

drunknerds

My wife who couldnt care less about the secret was busting up over Landslide >>> Stevie Nicks >>>> NY Nicks >>>> Madison Square garden. Using a song as a clue for an entirely different song is genius.
It’s too bad Preiss specifically said it couldn’t be buried in a garden

All of these are waypoints. I am not sure if we need to triangulate or a straight line or a diamond. But Garden is funny, maybe that’s why it is a clue!

Wicket

And why the sad smiley face? What gives? i do not use social media so if I posted incorrectly just let me know.

No you are in the right place. Please, tell me more.Especially about the rock band references

Wicket

What is trolling? I have no idea how to answer that.

I agree with NYCNative, tell us more. This could be something really interesting.

Wicket

especially in Shakespeare.

I’d be very interested to know the nature of what you have decoded from Shakespeare. Its probably not relevant here, but click the “PM” button on the right and send me a private message about it if you are so inclined.
By the way, the Central Park bird you posted a photo of is probably a swift and that is definitely a forked tail rather than long legs.

The QUEEN video came to mind which shows my age. Brian May, the center curly headed guy is an anagram for AM BRAINY, or if the code of the Rosicrucians is used it is I AM BRAINY. He looks like the SOL, partly.
The word casque is perculiar, or the spelling there of. Why not CASKET? The QUE could stand for QUEEN or QUEENS.
There is a picture of the sea shore. Shore is an anagram for HORSE. EQUEstriaN. OK, so we have St. (add a B) rian. St Brian was born as Brian Arrowsmith.
Cars abound is the group The Cars or Carmansville which has a Trinity Church cemetery, Hamilton was buried at Trinity. The illustrators last name has car in it. So cars abound could mean the actual book. I have ordered one so pretty soon I should be able to tell if there are any secrets.
Cars abound = cabs around

Wicket

The QUEEN video came to mind which shows my age. Brian May, the center curly headed guy is an anagram for AM BRAINY, or if the code of the Rosicrucians is used it is I AM BRAINY. He looks like the SOL, partly.
The word casque is perculiar, or the spelling there of. Why not CASKET? The QUE could stand for QUEEN or QUEENS.
There is a picture of the sea shore. Shore is an anagram for HORSE. EQUEstriaN. OK, so we have St. (add a B) rian. St Brian was born as Brian Arrowsmith.
Cars abound is the group The Cars or Carmansville which has a Trinity Church cemetery, Hamilton was buried at Trinity. The illustrators last name has car in it. So cars abound could mean the actual book. I have ordered one so pretty soon I should be able to tell if there are any secrets.
Cars abound = cabs around

That’s pretty cool. When you get through NYC, maybe you could take a crack at San Francisco. Image 1 & Verse 7.

Well, we certainly need a cryptographer ‘on staff’. Welcome aboard, Wicket.
Several people on the forum believe that the capital letters in the verses are some sort of cipher. I’ve experimented a bit, with little success. When you get your book, I’d be interested to learn your take on it.

Wicket

For Kryptos? Use the error for a starting point. I have part of the solve but it hurts my head. This kind of puzzle is a diversion.

I have to update my broken links, but maybe you can compare notes with me over in the codebreakers section.
viewforum.php?f=330

What big event happened in the world of music in 1980? John Lennon was assasinated.
He lived at the Dakota. That could be part of grey giant, mt Rushmore in South Dakota.
The SOL is Lucy in the sky with diamonds.

Wicket

So cars abound could mean the actual book. I have ordered one so pretty soon I should be able to tell if there are any secrets.

I hope you didnt order the reprint, its worse than useless

karleen

Well, we certainly need a cryptographer ‘on staff’. Welcome aboard, Wicket.
Several people on the forum believe that the capital letters in the verses are some sort of cipher. I’ve experimented a bit, with little success. When you get your book, I’d be interested to learn your take on it.

One solution for the cap letter is CITY STATION, FOLIO, OBOE. Station is Grand Central, and it is the answer to other points. Folio is NY public library. It has 6 Shakespeare folios of which I am very versed in, so maybe the library itself or the Shakespeare statue in the park. Oboe could be orchestra or symphony.
The letters are anagrams for other words too. 3 could be three=there.
I am the queen of the anagram, pun intended

Wicket

One solution for the cap letter is CITY STATION, FOLIO, OBOE. Station is Grand Central, and it is the answer to other points. Folio is NY public library. It has 6 Shakespeare folios of which I am very versed in, so maybe the library itself or the Shakespeare statue in the park. Oboe could be orchestra or symphony.
The letters are anagrams for other words too. 3 could be three=there.
I am the queen of the anagram, pun intended

Are you a cryptographer by profession or just a hobby?

Wicket

What big event happened in the world of music in 1980? John Lennon was assasinated.
He lived at the Dakota. That could be part of grey giant, mt Rushmore in South Dakota.
The SOL is Lucy in the sky with diamonds.

John Bonham died. That was kind of a big deal.

So, back to business.
I was wondering how verse 10 was matched up with image 12 and how certain it is?

maltedfalcon

I hope you didnt order the reprint, its worse than useless

Yea, I did. I read the bad reviews but could not find an original. The Worldcat has a list of libraries that have it so I might use that. I just need page numbers and print.

NYCNative

Are you a cryptographer by profession or just a hobby?

It is a hobby but also my passion. I have decoded many texts such as the Fama of the Rosicross, Shakespeare, etc. friends who do this also use my help. Right now I am working on Kryptos.

Wicket

I just need page numbers and print.

well I know pages are missing at the end. Because they made changes.
I don’t know about the front, but until you verify I would not assume that the page numbers in the reprint match the orignal
and the kindle has no page numbers at all (except for the kindle generated ones.)
So good luck, That being said, I teach cryptography in college, I’ve not seen any evidence of encrypted data, steganography, simple ciphers, or codes.

Kryptos. Fun. I’m at a stop point. Not sure what to do next.

maltedfalcon

and the kindle has no page numbers at all (except for the kindle generated ones.)

Not entirely true, the indexes list the page numbers. Not entirely, but if you have enough fingers and toes you can work it out.

After the last few points, I keep getting this image of Jon Stewart in my head asking, “Have you ever seen image 12…on weed!?”

NYCNative

So, back to business.
I was wondering how verse 10 was matched up with image 12 and how certain it is?

If you have a different take feel free to try it.
I am personally as sure as image 1 goes with v7 as i am about 10 and 12.

My wife who couldnt care less about the secret was busting up over Landslide >>> Stevie Nicks >>>> NY Nicks >>>> Madison Square garden. Using a song as a clue for an entirely different song is genius.
It’s too bad Preiss specifically said it couldn’t be buried in a garden

maltedfalcon

If you have a different take feel free to try it.
I am personally as sure as image 1 goes with v7 as i am about 10 and 12.

I agree with the match, was just wondering how it was figured out.

NYCNative

I agree with the match, was just wondering how it was figured out.

last man standing… Tried to work it into Charleston forever… (thinking the pirate) quote really belonged to SF from the RLS connection.
but Now its kind of obvious.

Trohn

I have an observation that I do not know what to do with
concerning the verse….keep in mind, it was written in 1981.
Taking the first letters of the middle lines…
you get the curious ‘acronym’
C
A
N
S
T
O
T
O
or  ‘Cans Toto’
Now we all know that in 1981, a huge rock band was Toto.
So, the question I have is…. Who fired the band Toto?

The band or the Italian Actor?  If you’re talking about the actor, I supposed you might say he was ultimately made redundant by the Big Man himself–he died in 1967.  As for the band, well, they probably
should
have been fired after the soundtrack of Dune, but that didn’t happen until after the book was published–the movie was not released until 1984.

Right, but the verses are not a random bunch of objects and landmarks. They have to flow and either lead you somewhere or be within close proximity to the casque location.
Yeah, that’s true. I don’t have a full solve for this. That’s still a work in progress for me. I was most interested in trying to figure out that specific line. That said, I could maybe see it fitting in like this:
Federal Hall/Washington statue to Fraunces Tavern (indies native sign) to FDR Dr., which runs parallel to the East River Bikeway (whirring sound), the East River, and the East River Esplanade. Once there, go to the middle point of the v that is created from where the Brooklyn and Manhattan bridges are and count 22(ish) blocks east. From here I’m not sure. There are a number of parks along the river there that you can see Belmont Island (Isle of B. and Brooklyn (Gershwin). I would probably look for one with a basketball court, since the shape of the painting suggests that. I’d need to do more research to see what the parks looked like in 1981, as I’m sure they have been redeveloped by now. Also, I’m not sure if you can see the other images from this location.
Again, this isn’t a full solve, but I think it fits with enough pieces that it merits further research.

slowrisingwhitebread

Right, but the verses are not a random bunch of objects and landmarks. They have to flow and either lead you somewhere or be within close proximity to the casque location.
Yeah, that’s true. I don’t have a full solve for this. That’s still a work in progress for me. I was most interested in trying to figure out that specific line. That said, I could maybe see it fitting in like this:
Federal Hall/Washington statue to Fraunces Tavern (indies native sign) to FDR Dr., which runs parallel to the East River Bikeway (whirring sound), the East River, and the East River Esplanade. Once there, go to the middle point of the v that is created from where the Brooklyn and Manhattan bridges are and count 22(ish) blocks east. From here I’m not sure. There are a number of parks along the river there that you can see Belmont Island (Isle of B. and Brooklyn (Gershwin). I would probably look for one with a basketball court, since the shape of the painting suggests that. I’d need to do more research to see what the parks looked like in 1981, as I’m sure they have been redeveloped by now. Also, I’m not sure if you can see the other images from this location.
Again, this isn’t a full solve, but I think it fits with enough pieces that it merits further research.

I like where you are going with this.

slowrisingwhitebread

I’ve been playing around with this verse a little bit as I take a break from Boston and San Fran, and I had a thought about “The natives still speak Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.”
I believe hard is capitalized to indicate its importance, not because it is a title of anything. I believe BP was referring to the word hard itself. In looking up its entomology, it’s Dutch. So, “him of Hard word…” is referring to someone of dutch ancestry.
Now in NY, that doesn’t really narrow it down. However adding in 3 Vols. and thinking about the chicken clue from the Japanese translation tells us that “him of Hard word” is most likely Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
3 Vols. = three names; Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
“to figure out…start with chicken”(v. rough quote from the Japanese translation): a male chicken is a ROOSter.
My apologies in advance if these are not new ideas. I did some quick searches that didn’t turn anything up, so I’m just putting these ideas out there in case they may be helpful.

Let’s say that it is FDR. What does that give us for a clue?

Roosevelt Island? That’s I Love Lucy!
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=754&start=1200

It could be Roosevelt Island. Another thought would be FDR Dr.

slowrisingwhitebread

It could be Roosevelt Island. Another thought would be FDR Dr.

Right, but the verses are not a random bunch of objects and landmarks. They have to flow and either lead you somewhere or be within close proximity to the casque location.

There was no bike path by the east river in 1982 and why would steps become city blocks?

NYCNative

There was no bike path by the east river in 1982 and why would steps become city blocks?

That’s fine. I’m just spit balling here. I’m no expert on NYC, especially 1980’s NYC. Since there wasn’t a bike way, did people ride their bikes on the esplanade/greenway?
As for steps becoming city blocks, like all of this, it’s just a theory. Other people have suggested it for other verses (Boston for example). It seemed like it could fit here.

slowrisingwhitebread

Since there wasn’t a bike way, did people ride their bikes on the esplanade/greenway?

That’s basically the equivalent of asking… Before the wright brothers were born, did people just hang around airports waiting for their flights?

maltedfalcon

That’s basically the equivalent of asking… Before the wright brothers were born, did people just hang around airports waiting for their flights?

LMAO

maltedfalcon

That’s basically the equivalent of asking… Before the wright brothers were born, did people just hang around airports waiting for their flights?

Point taken.
You guys really bend over backwards to make new folks feel welcome here, huh?

MaltedFalcon, thought we could continue the discussion about the “V” here. You make an excellent point about the dimensions of the V. The old photograph of the V in front of Fort Hamilton High School would seem too narrow to fit the proposed dimensions. Thoughts?

davinci4

MaltedFalcon, thought we could continue the discussion about the “V” here. You make an excellent point about the dimensions of the V. The old photograph of the V in front of Fort Hamilton High School would seem to narrow to fit the proposed dimensions. Thoughts?

I seem to recall this being dismissed for a variety of reasons….not to mention the construction in front of the place.

Yes. Following up on Malted Falcon’s point regarding geometry, the V will likely be around 90 feet on each wing (around 45 feet halfway). I have always envisioned this configuration so that if you walk from either middle of the V, you will roughly be in the same spot. The base angle of the V would be around 90 degrees in this configuration. The ‘old V’ in front of Fort Hamilton has a base angle that appears too narrow. Walking from halfway on either wing 22 steps would put you in two totally different areas it appears.

davinci4

Yes. Following up on Malted Falcon’s point regarding geometry, the V will likely be around 90 feet on each wing (around 45 feet halfway). I have always envisioned this configuration so that if you walk from either middle of the V, you will roughly be in the same spot. The base angle of the V would be around 90 degrees in this configuration. The ‘old V’ in front of Fort Hamilton has a base angle that appears too narrow. Walking from halfway on either wing 22 steps would put you in two totally different areas it appears.

But, it’s “twice as many steps EAST of the V,” not “22 steps from a middle section of the V.” When you put in a direction like that, you remove the necessity of symmetry. Always. That’s the whole point of directions: To provide guidance when one way leads to somewhere and the other way leads to somewhere different.

Yes. That’s a good point. Never really looked at it that way. I had always assumed that you were suppose to walk towards the middle of the V. But, yes, you could really go East from either wing and the ‘narrowness factor’ and symmetry wouldn’t really matter.

I’m wondering if V really means an actual V on the ground? Why can’t it be the beginning letter of something like in the Chicago Clue? Or a roman numberal 5?
If it was a V on the ground it would have to be very pronounced so there was no mistaking it.

https://tinyurl.com/y79bv52m
How about the LOVE sculpture? Made by artist Robert Indiana in the 1960s. Roman numeral L=50 Roman numeral V=5 and the E =5. Vs galore.

I am not sure how this works. Why am I a watcher? Why do some have names? How do I get my little skulls to light up?

You can have my skull when I’m done with this hunt.

erexere

You can have my skull when I’m done with this hunt.

If it’s a good thing I’ll take it. Seriously, what do they mean?

The more you’ve posted, the more skulls.

The LOVE sculpture has a tilted O. Maybe that is the direction you take. I dunna ken.

erexere

The more you’ve posted, the more skulls.

Hmmmmm, I guess I will have to post more……

erexere

You can have my skull when I’m done with this hunt.

Not sure there will be anything left of mine.

Wicket

https://tinyurl.com/y79bv52m
How about the LOVE sculpture? Made by artist Robert Indiana in the 1960s. Roman numeral L=50 Roman numeral V=5 and the E =5. Vs galore.

Robert could be the Indies native

gManTexas

Not sure there will be anything left of mine.

Ahahaha!

Wicket

Robert could be the Indies native

Wicket,
I am not sure about everyone else, but your posts makes no sense at all. I know you wish that the puzzles includes cryptography and rock bands,just like some people like to think it has all to do with vectors, but I am pretty sure it is not applicable here. While I appreciate the theory and the attempt, it is kind of annoying to read over and over again. Choosing random landmarks and monuments and applying your theory to it is not making any progress. We see that way to often in this forum. I would suggest you read the plethora of information already provided in this forums from numerous theories and failed attempts.
Plus what is the point of point numerical values to random letters? Where is that leading you to? More absurd guesses?

davinci4

The old photograph of the V in front of Fort Hamilton High School would seem too narrow to fit the proposed dimensions. Thoughts?

my thoughts are the casque isn’t anywhere around there.

Wicket

Robert could be the Indies native

OK then, follow up, If Robert Indiana, is the indies native, then who ” of hard words in 3 vols,” is Robert speaking of?

maltedfalcon

OK then, follow up, If Robert Indiana, is the indies native, then who ” of hard words in 3 vols,” is Robert speaking of?

Indies native and Natives are two different things.

maltedfalcon

my thoughts are the casque isn’t anywhere around there.

I have a question for you. Have you been to the city to search? Are your opinions based on onsite evaluations?
It’s not a loaded question and I’m not attempting to discredit anyone’s thoughts or opinions. I just think that in the case of both of the found casques, the final directions in the verse only seem to come together when you are standing in the right spot.

BINGO

I have a question for you. Have you been to the city to search? Are your opinions based on onsite evaluations?
It’s not a loaded question and I’m not attempting to discredit anyone’s thoughts or opinions. I just think that in the case of both of the found casques, the final directions in the verse only seem to come together when you are standing in the right spot.

Yes indeed, I have been on the ground in NY looking for the casque.
Mind you it has admittedly been a few years.
I have a dig spot in mind which fulfills all my criteria. Am I ready to share it no, Can I go dig it no, (I am in California) but I am working on getting it explored.
That being said I have no problem chatting about theory
My idea is not perfect (for example no onion domes) but everything else. so I am always looking to improve it.
and if in doing so I help somebody else find it somewhere else, thats great!

maltedfalcon

Yes indeed, I have been on the ground in NY looking for the casque.
Mind you it has admittedly been a few years.
I have a dig spot in mind which fulfills all my criteria. Am I ready to share it no, Can I go dig it no, (I am in California) but I am working on getting it explored.
That being said I have no problem chatting about theory
My idea is not perfect (for example no onion domes) but everything else. so I am always looking to improve it.
and if in doing so I help somebody else find it somewhere else, thats great!

That is what I expected. It just seems near impossible to confirm or deny a theory about a particular verse unless it has been explored on the ground.
How could anyone solve the -7 steps up you can hop or even the 10X13 (still being debated) without being there in person. The possibilities and speculation could be endless. I really think the fine details reveal themselves when you are in the hot zone.

BINGO

That is what I expected. It just seems near impossible to confirm or deny a theory about a particular verse unless it has been explored on the ground.

Definitely impossible to confirm or deny until you dig.

Unknown

Unknown:
Definitely impossible to confirm or deny until you dig.

It’s the single largest limiting factor to this puzzle today. On the other hand, it almost guarantees that no one can circumvent the rules* and cheat. Which is nice.
* I am aware that I am making several assumptions here, but the biggest are that Preiss never actually shared or documented the solves, and that JJP continues to honor his commitment to Preiss and stays mum on the subject.

i’ve sorted been leaning toward columbus park and cadman plaza lately, with henry ward beecher being “him of hard word”
and toward isle b, being the subway or ” to ward beecher”
the shape of the belt loop in her robe looks like cadman plaza to me
or maybe the shape on his cloak
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/ent … rd_Beecher
but seems there was something in the book that makes me think italian (whereas columbus park would fit), something about “stowed” in the boat (harriet beecher stowe, (some relative of henry ward beecher)  and peeping toms, and she wrote Uncle Tom’s cabin……………..
hmmm, edward everett hale married a Beecher, and he’s in boston, and he has a cane!  and he is in boston public garden and he was a preacher…(hard word)!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29661629@N00/372940474
(guess this should all be on the image 11 thread
, i always liked that sailors and soldiers monument that had longfellow on it)

i’ve sorted been leaning toward columbus park and cadman plaza lately, with
henry
ward beecher being “him of hard word”
and toward isle b, being the subway or ” to ward beecher”
the shape of the belt loop in her robe looks like cadman plaza to me
or maybe the shape on his cloak
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/ent … rd_Beecher
but seems there was something in the book that makes me think italian (whereas columbus park would fit), something about “stowed” in the boat (harriet beecher stowe, (some relative of
henry
ward beecher)  and peeping toms, and she wrote Uncle Tom’s cabin……………..
hmmm, edward everett hale married a Beecher, and he’s in boston, and he has a cane!  and he is in boston public garden and he was a preacher…(hard word)!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29661629@N00/372940474
(guess this should all be on the image 11 thread
, i always liked that sailors and soldiers monument that had longfellow on it)

The next two liines are:
Take twice as many east steps as the hour
Or more
I don’t think this is meant to be really tricky. A simple take on these lines could mean take 2 steps (maybe big steps). I believe “as the hour” is “1”. So “twice as many” will make it two steps. So the interpretaion would then be two steps from the east side away from the start. “Or more I am guessing means that the casque is closer to two and a half steps or maybe three steps. Not
too
large of a search pattern
. Any thoughts on this one?
Continuing to the next lines:
From the middle of one branch
Of the v
This is where we may move back away from the final spot for a moment. This is part of that tricky section scrambling BP did. We haven’t gotten to the final spot yet, these lines should fill that gap. If you look at the aerial of the park the “V” becomes more obvious. There is a permanent feature in Marion Square, it is an “X”. If you pick parts of the “X” you can get a few “Vs”. “From the middle of one branch” will mean half way from the middle of the “V” (or “X”) and the end in the corners of the park. The cool thing is it fits perfectly. If you walk to halfway (“middle”) up the northeast path(“branch”) from the middle of the park you will be straight across from the battle monument (which is the final spot area).

Next lines.
Look down
And see simple roots
In rhapsodic man’s soil
We just left half way along the one branch of the “V”. Now we are to “Look down”. On the base steps themselves are the names of historic battles. “simple roots” can be the simple names of battles (nothing else displayed down here) and roots may be the battles themselves are in a sense the cause of the monument. I kinda have a feel for these three liines of verse, but I was hoping you guys you work these lines out with a good explanation. Any ideas?

Last lines.
Or gaze north
Toward the isle of B.
These may be part of that section scrambling that we encounter in the verses here and there. We have jumped back to city landmarks. If you look on the previous picture of the bridge you’ll see it lands on an island north of Marion Square. Although the island is named Drum Island I believe the “isle of B.” may be actually referring to the isle of the
B
ridge (Arthur Ravenel Jr. Bridge).

Unknown

Unknown:
It seems like I have gone through hundreds of Google pages looking for a “Hard” reference and a quantity of 3 match.

How is John C. Calhoun an “Indies Native?”
This made no sense to me at all.  Quote from Wiki:
“Calhoun was born the 18th (or 19th) of March, 1782 the fourth child of Patrick Calhoun and his wife Martha (nee Caldwell). His father was an Ulster-Scot who emigrated from County Donegal to the Thirteen Colonies where he met Martha, herself the daughter of a Protestant Irish immigrant father”
Ireland may indeed be primitive in spots but it’s definitely not the Indies.
I found an interesting one when I was looking at this verse as possibly describing Niagara Falls.
Him of Hard word = Jacques Cartier.  Cartier is a famous diamond seller, and diamond is the
hardest
substance we have. Jacques Cartier made exactly 3 trips to the Niagara Falls area…him of HARD word (Cartier) in 3 Vols–guess what
Vols
means in French?
Flights.
(as in
Trips
. Journies. As in he took flight to America.)
so you see, you can find numerous connections if you think outside the box a bit.

I find the french meaning of the word to be more interesting.

Though I’ve been shot down many times with the idea of Belmont Island I’m gonna stick to my guns and say that IS the isle of B. I won’t change my mind until the casque is dug up somewhere other than south of Belmont. An isle is a small island. (Or peninsula. I’ll give you that erexere.) But Belmont is the smallest island in the area. What better reference to an isle. I’ve always been a firm believer of Concert Grove as our site. Belmont is north of Concert Grove to the very inch. And to be more precise, the Thomas Moore statue in Concert Grove is in this exact area. (See my Thomas Moore/”twice as many east steps or
more
” theory). And speaking of this “or more” line. What other ideas are out there about this? How can we walk more than a set number of steps if we are to find this thing at an exact location? Too much randomness unless “more” means Moore, which is a reference to line up with his statue. Everyone’s steps are different. If we walk 22 steps east, depending on your stride you could be way off base. But if you walk 22 steps and see Moore, then you know to line up with him whether that means going forward a few more step or going back. Moore is a reference point!! Doesn’t anyone else see this possibility?

I was always hoped that just north of the casque site, there would be a tree with a heart carved into it
and in the heart it would say “I Love Bea”
regardless, though, a peninsula is not an isle. Nobody ever said the Isle of San Francisco…

Choice

Another interesting reference in the book to west coast and pacific:
West Ghost
Narcissus Pacificus

That hot tub looks like this fountain:
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&hilit=pier&start=3814

NYCNative

Yeah, no.

I second that.

MrBackstop

I think it’s still time for you guys to go get your surfboards and take a ride on the Wave, the Barrett Wave.

I’m in. I find metaphors to be quite convincing.

drunknerds

The Hostiles lived in that camp out in the woods. It was the Dharma Initiative that had Wifi

I miss lost

strike13

I miss lost

I second that

Thanks for the etiquette tip four21.  I was just compensating for my shorter attributes.

erexere

Thanks for the etiquette tip four21.  I was just compensating for my shorter attributes.

I am the last to understand any sort of etiquette. I was simply saying that for my own benefit. You’re reply made me LOL!

maltedfalcon

http://www.amazon.com/Military-Surplus- … el+in+case
and keep it at the bottom of your suitcase…

Wow that looks perfect for those covert digs.
I want one.

Title:    In The Shadows
Author: E. Pauline Johnson
I am sailing to the leeward,
Where the current runs to seaward
Soft and slow,
Where the sleeping river grasses
Brush my paddle as it passes
To and fro.
On the shore the heat is shaking
All the golden sands awaking
In the cove;
And the quaint sand-piper, winging
O’er the shallows, ceases singing
When I move.
On the water’s idle pillow
Sleeps the overhanging willow,
Green and cool;
Where the rushes lift their burnished
Oval heads from out the tarnished
Emerald pool.
Where the very silence slumbers,
Water lilies grow in numbers,
Pure and pale;
All the morning they have rested,
Amber crowned, and pearly crested,
Fair and frail.
Here, impossible romances,
Indefinable sweet fancies,
Cluster round;
But they do not mar the sweetness
Of this still September fleetness
With a sound.
I can scarce discern the meeting
Of the shore and stream retreating,
So remote;
For the laggard river, dozing,
Only wakes from its reposing
Where I float.
Where the river mists are rising,
All the foliage baptizing
With their spray;
There the sun gleams far and faintly,
With a shadow soft and saintly,
In its ray.
And the perfume of some burning
Far-off brushwood, ever turning
To exhale
All its smoky fragrance dying,
In the arms of evening lying,
Where I sail.
My canoe is growing lazy,
In the atmosphere so hazy,
While I dream;
Half in slumber I am guiding,
Eastward indistinctly gliding
Down the stream.

Of the grey giant
It’s always a shot in the dark when evaluating a single line as vague as this…
Of the grey giant might mean something which is a substance of a whole.  This puts me back on the idea of the Lumberman’s Arch where it’s just one tree being used to represent the great arch that preceded it, made of many large trees.

http://voices.yahoo.com/the-chrysler-building-famous-art-deco-architecture-2818135.html
great
article. while you read, consider…
grey giant
tiny red and blue spheres from the painting
cars abound (def.: to be used with in or with)
Given this, I had a little fun:
the grey giant is the Chrysler Building (tallest ‘grey’ brick building in the world)
it’s shadow is grand central terminal (cars abound) with the statues arm extended pointing towards Madison Ave
take 22 streets south across the East streets (twice as many east steps as the hour) and get to 23rd St. (or more)
you are now at Madison Square Park.
go to Worth Obelisk, who fought in the Seminole Wars (3 of those)
gershwin hotel (since 1903) is right next to you
the clock and the rightmost onion dome is above you (met life tower)
the V is right next to you (Flatiron Building)
the door is right next to you (the water main controller buidling door)

.

Twice as many steps as the hour?  What are all the options here?  In regular time we have only the hours numbered 1-12, but in military we add 13-24.  It could be a question of which hour, perhaps the “11” from image 12, or some other image if it’s not 12.  We all know I’m already set on verse 10 with image 9, but even so, I’m using a land mark that actually is called “Nine O’Clock” to derive an 18 step answer (twice 9 = 18).  I was just thinking that’s just another shot in the dark until I’ve really grasped the options.  I was just looking at the clock on my wall, analog, and I wondered if it’s typical to see five markings for the five minutes interlaced within each hour delineation.  What if we’re suppose to consider each stepping of the second hand within the frame between one hour mark and the next.  Five steps.  I think that rationale could just be a tricky move to consider when digging.
A point of advice: if you start with whichever hour you think gets you there and find nothing, be sure to try digging at 10 steps (paces) or about 30 feet as backup option.

you’ll often hear a whirring sound is most likely grand central terminal departure boards (until 1996, anyways — read about split-flap boards); this is why i say the cars abound line is also most probably grand central, if this V is nyc anyways.

Glossiphoniidae

http://voices.yahoo.com/the-chrysler-building-famous-art-deco-architecture-2818135.html
great
article

WhiteRabbit

Re: the cars, they might tie in with the Chrysler building.
BP also played with making one thing look like another in
Imagine A Day
.
“In another painting, children walk along a picket fence, which almost imperceptibly turns into a city skyline that features the Chrysler Building.”
Chrysler may also connect with Chrysanthemum, the image 12 flower (from Chrysos, gold).

Thought I’d re-post this to go with your Chrysler idea…
You’ll often hear a whirring sound
Cars abound
“Cars abound” is strange, and there may be more to it. Perhaps the “cars” reference and the representation of the Chrysler building is a subtle way of helping tie the verse to the image or something. (I was also wondering randomly about a helicoper that was “casa bound”.)

WhiteRabbit

Did you get the red and blue marbles? I was pretty proud of that one.

erexere

Title:     In The Shadows
Author: E. Pauline Johnson

Hyperlinks are your friend. Loooooooooong posts that make it hard to read through pages on the forum are not.

boogie – I like where this is going. But in order for your theory to be correct, the “Indian head” plaque would have to refer to someone
of Hard word in 3 Vols.
We’ve made an argument that “
him
” is Hamilton, but who is actually mentioned by name on the plaque?
http://www.nycgovparks.org/common_images/monuments/390.jpeg
The names I could find are:
John Paul Jones
Lt. Alton Douglass
Edward W. Evans
Arthur J. O’Brien
(?) Gray Barry
Angelo J. Arculeo
Charles J. Henry
Why would any of these be considered
him of Hard word in 3 Vols.
?

Trohn

He knows a lady who thinks that the path to heaven
is paved in gold.

And she’s buy–i–i– ing a stair–air way….. to heav-va-an!
Shecrab, John Paul Jones was the keyboardist and songwriter for Led Zeppelin.  He (John Baldwin) changed his name to John Paul Jones in 1969, roughly the same time that Cannonball Park was changed to John Paul Jones Park in Brooklyn, in honor of the father of the U.S. NAvY.

boogieman

Shecrab, John Paul Jones was the keyboardist and songwriter for Led Zeppelin.  He (John Baldwin) changed his name to John Paul Jones in 1969, roughly the same time that Cannonball Park was changed to John Paul Jones Park in Brooklyn, in honor of the father of the U.S. NAvY.

Aha…..gotcha. Thank you.
c

Trohn

If you look at the hybrid live map,
a perfect ‘v’ is formed by the intersection of
4th avenue and shore road.
a sign is across the street (west) at the
entrance to the Belt.  I wonder if it has
Hamilton on it….
I have thought that instead of starting at the obelisk,
flag pole and walking east,
that you would end up there and see:
Father (simple root) of the navy
John Paul Jones (rhapsonic man)
looking down.
Walking this way would explain
the ‘or more’ if you started across the street
at the sign rather than
‘in the middle of the road’ where
‘cars abound’.

Now i really know what FB was saying about a screen shot and marking these things.  I was there and I’m still not sure what you are saying.  i got the gist of it and will check it out the next time I go.  I could use an extra set of eyes.

Unknown

Unknown:
I could use an extra set of eyes.

shecrab

Aha…..gotcha. Thank you.
c

I’d love to know who your rhapsodic man is in Canada!

boogieman

I’d love to know who your rhapsodic man is in Canada!

Paul Schaffer

forest_blight

Meet my posse.
Anyway, It’s hard for me to think that
looking down
could be something other than that plaque.  Yet the empty blank space at the corner of the two footpaths, only 22 steps away, forces me to rethink.  Oh, forgot to mention this, at the top of that plaque is a picture of an American Indian head, like a Lincoln penny, only facing the other way.  Why an Indian when JPJ was from Scotland?

boogieman

Meet my posse.
Anyway, It’s hard for me to think that
looking down
could be something other than that plaque.  Yet the empty blank space at the corner of the two footpaths, only 22 steps away, forces me to rethink.  Oh, forgot to mention this, at the top of that plaque is a picture of an American
Indian head
, like a Lincoln penny, only facing the other way.  Why an Indian when JPJ was from Scotland?

Doesn’t this confirm that “an Indies Native” still speaks of HIM.
I like it!
Now, where in the ground was it in 1981?
I say, stand at the plaque in the ground (in the 1981 location)
turn North (and dig behind the plaque – at the southern foot ? )

The plaque was on the south side of the flag in 81′, on the grassy side of the flag.  You had to face north to read it.  Now it is on the north side, the footpath side of the flag and you have to face south to read it.  ( Really only guessing at all of this, need to get confirmation)  It is also now surrounded by a wrought iron fence.  I would have to dig at the Vets plaque.  It sits upon an old slab of concrete.  So, in 81′, you are facing north to read the plaque, why do we
gaze
north?  I would only have to take four stabs at it right?  Northern and soothern foot of each plaque!!!  But if I’m scaling a fence, I only want to do it once.
BTW, aren’t the natives still speaking about Hamilton and not JPJ?

I think it is a play on words…
Hamilton is a West Indies Native  (who wrote of HARD words in three volumes)
John Paul Jones is being talked of by an Indian in hard words
Literally, the first is correct.
Now, if you are first taking East steps, you would have to turn
a quarter turn left to face North – and there by read the plaque (1981)
and face the obelisk.  (how many of these sites have obelisks?)
I still think gaze north is to look past the gazebo.
Facing the obelisk, you would dig at the bottom of the plaque (south)
At least there is a fixed point in this park that makes sense.

I would guess it more likely that “east steps” indicates that there are also “west steps”
as in a matched stairway with one side to the east and one side to the west.
This is a clever way to indicate which staircase to use…

Unknown

Unknown:
Some of you guys take it all too seriously…

I’ll cop to this: I take this puzzle very seriously. But I should also point out that I am having a lot of fun trying to solve it, and find that elusive third casque. The two are not mutually exclusive. Good luck with your dig.

phrabbott

Well, it’s been 29 years since it was named after Hamilton in 1990. Museum of American Indian wasn’t moved there until later than the hide as well.
This is all In the wiki for the building.
Boots on the ground is great, but it’s good to disqualify things as appropriate before you waste your time.
I have a long list of objective disqualifications that I would share if i actually thought people would read it.

….ok.

Some of you guys take it all too seriously…
It was a beautiful day for a walk!
That was the whole point of BPs Book.

rabidrabbit

That’s a good point.
But what/where in ANY of the verses/images imply we are using military time?
I’m open to suggestions.

No specific proof or implications that I know of. People tend to think Preiss was a tricky wordsmith. This could be a tricky, wordsmithy way to disguise the true meaning of the verse line. I do my best to keep an open mind when looking at verse lines and trying to apply meaning to them. I simply don’t trust Priess at his word…

Ok, so I had a thought, the isle of B couldn’t be Bedloe’s Island/Liberty Island, since the location you guys have found is already North of Isle B.
Maybe there is a street called Benjamin Franklin St. or Bedloe St.  something for a B.  Isle meaning Aisle, Aisle like street or Lane.
What do you think?

Bedloe’s Island IS north of JPJ park, just not in a direct line of sight from what I understand.

regulus
on google earth Liberty/bedloes island is  almost due north of JPJ park
actually due north of the center span of the verrezano narrows bridge but at that distance close enough
So basically All of Brooklyn is Rhapsodic man;s Soil because thats where george gershwin was born?
Maltedfalcon

I’ve looked at this a lot of ways, but this is the one that I think deserves a good look,
What’s going on here is much of what I’ve been working on for awhile, only now it’s come together when I consider the basic meaning of a ‘branch’.  When speaking of a road or a path as is most common and if not speaking about an actual tree with branches, we are typically working with the idea of something as a “main” and then at least one offshoot or “fork”.  This is Pipeline Road and a triangular shaped area next to the parking lot near the Children’s park and the Miniature train.  I see this amphitheater with the central checkerboard and two slightly offset boards turned at an angle.  It could be seen as a branching of checkerboards, the main and with two branching off to either side.  The line of verse “in the middle of one branch of the v” might be resolved as the exact center of one of these side boards.  The side that makes the most sense to me is on the north side.  The next issue is to consider the difference in “east steps” vs. “steps east”.  I’ve recently taken the view that “east steps” are actually in the westward direction but stated as “coming from the east”.  If this site is correct, then steps heading east wouldn’t work since there’s a wall side of the amphitheater structure obstructing travel after only a small number of steps.  I’m really leaning towards the 9 O’Clock Gun tourist attraction as the answer to the riddle of how many “steps as the hour” to consider.  Twice that makes 18, and 18 steps is around 55 feet.  That much travel west puts us in the vicinity of the star I’ve placed on the picture.
At this point, I’ve economized much of my thinking on all the lines of the verse and then image 9.  Taking the “middle of a branch” to mean the “exact center of a checkerboard” is really compelling.  The game of checkers is one which allows only options of “forked” movement.  Even the line “look down and see simple roots / in rhapsodic man’s soil” really draws my focus to this area when I consider the squares of a checkerboard (64 squares, 8 per side) and those in image 9, and the fact that the pieces custom constructed for these boards were crafted from “clear cedar” or high grade cedar pipe.
The pieces were ACTUALLY attached to tree roots in the soil.
Anyone can see that the statue of Lord Stanley in Stanley Park, Vancouver easily displays the characteristic of being rhapsodic:
The best part about this is Leonard Bernstein is very likely the most well known person to have conducted the Rhapsody in Blue.

San Francisco’s Japanese community was moved into temporary housing at Tanforan Racetrack.

During my Vancouver search I had this interpretation of the opening lines,
In the shadow = look for someone or something that came first
Often than phrase is used like “following someone’s footsteps”, so who in the Montreal scenario came first, and in what respect?
I found a plaque commemorating the statue of Capt. George Vancouver for being the first European to land at the site of “Port Moody”. I thought maybe this could be our grey giant, since the words grey and moody both share the synonym “gloomy”, like when one would talk about an overcast/cloudy day.
Internet search revealed that the man Port Moody is named after was born in the West Indies. I’m unsure of what signs nearby or historic information would tells us more about Moody.
The George Vancouver plaque also mentions King George III, and I briefly thought of him as “him of Hard word in 3 Vol.” Maybe it looks like a weak connection at first, but the “III” at the end of his name might be mistaken for a book volume III. For example “King James” is how people might refer to a bible. If there were a King James III, then that would be like a third volume of a bible…
As for how Vancouver would be seen as a giant, I’m not sure. He was considered a great achiever, but that seems weak in terms of applying the word giant.
Maybe these thoughts on Vancouver might help someone make a similar type of connection to Montreal. I think King George III is worth looking into. He’s not Gershwin, but the Natives certainly had a lot of dealings with him. Robert Brant, for instance, actually traveled to England with a few other chiefs to meet King George III. Robert Brant was a big deal apparently in the Toronto area.

“But these go to 11…”

Has anyone considered that the “isle of B” could actually be Roosevelt island which used to be named “Blackwell’s Island?”

Also, does anyone know if the casque’s are made out of metal? Would a metal detector pick them up? Would hate to do superfluous digging.

Not necessarily the New York verse. Think about it.

Where do you think the grey giant, the narrow path, the Indies native, and the Isle of B fit better? What’s realistically up for grabs for a verse change? SF, Charleston, and Montreal?
Any theories on how V10 matches any of them? (That don’t involve me needing to reread 83 pages of posts? :p)

Frisco

Where do you think the grey giant, the narrow path, the Indies native, and the Isle of B fit better? What’s realistically up for grabs for a verse change? SF, Charleston, and Montreal?
Any theories on how V10 matches any of them? (That don’t involve me needing to reread 83 pages of posts? :p)

My only hang-up is the spelling of Grey with an E. Other than that I’ve got nothing. Until we dig up a cask in New York based on the “Grey Giant” I’m somewhat open to suggestions.”
Use the Edwin Booth angle and try to shoehorn a New York solve out of what everyone assumes is South Carolina. I don’t know. I’m just another treasure stooge just like you. I don’t have any solid answers but I love searching for them. Is that you, baby, or just a brilliant disguise? Bruce Springsteen, point.

I’ve searched only on my iPhone which is a pain, but the part about hard words may be in the image12 thread. By my memory, Hamilton describes “hard word” as not being necessary to make a point. The actual words were printed in italics on the web site and taken from the federalist papers. As found by Google probably 5 years ago, I can not find it now.

forest_blight

Boogie, we may be onto something here. From Hamilton’s “Works” (in, as you said, three volumes), both dating to 1797:
“But I confess, I have not been well satisfied with the answer reported in the House. It contains too many hard expressions; and
hard words
are very rarely useful in public proceedings. Mr. Jay and other friends here have been struck in the same manner with myself. We shall not regret to see the answer softened down.
Real firmness
is good for every thing.
Strut
is good for nothing.”
The italics are in the original. Here’s the other passage:
“I received your letter of the ———. Though I do not like in some respects the answer of the House to the speech, yet I frankly own that I had no objection to see it softened down. For I think there is no use in
hard words
—and in public proceedings would almost always unite the
suaviter in modo
with the
fortiter in re
.”
Again, italics in the original. Why would Hamilton italicize
hard words
? Does he mean it as a euphemism for stern language?

Is this what you were looking for?

I know an expert on Jefferson, I’ll report an answer shortly.

Hamilton’s use of the phrase “Hard Words” would be said today “Harsh Words”
Having Hard Words on something is a comment of severe critique or worse. This is coming from the professor who wrote the book on that era…literally.

So instead of taking it to mean difficult, I would take the verse to mean that they speak of him in not so great terms….they dis him as the kids would say.

decibalnyc

So instead of taking it to mean difficult, I would take the verse to mean that they speak of him in not so great terms….they dis him as the kids would say.

I always took it to mean someone who was considered forceful and tough to deal with

Can someone remind me when this verse was set in stone?
What about this verse locks it in to Image 12? we take it for granted because someone suggested Gerswhin for “Rhapsodic Man’s Soil”. Is there anything beyond that or have we all just been operating under the assumption that this is the NY Verse?
Grey is spelled with an “E” deliberately. Still trying to figure out why.

Merlot Brougham

Can someone remind me when this verse was set in stone?
What about this verse locks it in to Image 12? we take it for granted because someone suggested Gerswhin for “Rhapsodic Man’s Soil”. Is there anything beyond that or have we all just been operating under the assumption that this is the NY Verse?
Grey is spelled with an “E” deliberately. Still trying to figure out why.

It’s hard for me to think of an “Indies native” more famous than Alexander Hamilton, and no better city with which to connect Alexander Hamilton than NYC.

NYBass

Hi, a newbie here. I’ve been focusing on this one and I had a thought.
A) I agree w the above that it’s at FH HS. Here’s why:
B) the verse says “him of Hard word in 3 Vols.”
– referring to
KNOX
. As in the nearby sign says Hamilton (as in fort), but “natives” still speak of Knox, as in:
* Fort Knox,
* him of Hard KNOCKS (play on words – school of hard knocks : fort Hamilton High school).
* In 3 vols refers to the Knox Bible, which was published in 3 volumes.
Also a sly reference to the “treasure” at Ft Knox.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knox_Bible
Multiple plays on words here.
Thoughts?

I can’t make the leap of faith to Hard Knocks….I just don’t see how it could be correct.
Seems like a much better fit would be
Chronological History of the West Indie’s in 3 Vols
by Captain Thomas Southey who dedicated it to his brother Robert Southey, Esq. LLD who among his many works wrote Goldie Locks and the Three Bears.
https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100299313
Also I think the Melville reference is still valid as Egbert brought up on page 80 or so of this post. (Moby dick in 3 Vols.)

Just wanted to chime in and say I just stumbled across this hunt and have really enjoyed reading this thread for the last few hours. My furious research prior to discovering this place got me exactly where boogieman got (Brooklyn base of the Verrazano, fenced off after 9/11), but I, too, see the SI in the shadows of the woman, so I’m going to revisit my tinfoil SI theory.
Walt Whitman wrote an ode to the Brooklyn Ferry. He’s my “rhapsodic man” here. He was also a member of the Free Soil political party. Where are the roots of the Free Soil Party? One of the founders was James Wadsworth, of Fort Wadsworth.

Subways?

Subways don’t really whir, do they?
(That would be an odd subway–)

Shecrab,
I don’t know . I ‘m deaf and don’t live near one . I was hoping to lend a thought.

East steps…I missed that mental note putting ths together.  The steps I indicated aren’t east.  That shoots the cenotaph idea down.  Drat.

erexere

East steps…I missed that mental note putting ths together.  The steps I indicated aren’t east.  That shoots the cenotaph idea down.  Drat.

If we were talking about wind, as in an east wind, then its a convention of originating from the east and blowing west.  Is this a pssible interpretation?  If Preiss wrote “take 10 steps east” that wouod surely mean in that direction, but to place the word east in fro nt of the noun, doesn’t that change things?  So, are “east steps” actually westbound?
That reminds me, “cars abound” may refer to a train as well, since railcars are a kind of car.

I thoroughly agree that “him of Hard word in three vols.” seems to refer to Dickens as we posted in an earlier posting August 24, 2004 regarding image 12.  Even as my cousin JRock recently pointed out to me, the later reference in verse 10 that speaks of something being “passed the hour OR MORE” is language very often used by Dickens in his writings – a google search of this term and Dickens shows he made use of this somewhat odd phrasing in a number of his works including Great Expectations and Oliver Twist.  Still figuring out Dickens part in all of this is difficult.  For thoughts on this you might start with the following:
http://www.fidnet.com/~dap1955/dickens/america.html
has some good info on Chuck.  Charts his 1842 visit to the states which had him travel as far west as St. Louis, before turning back north and east toward Canada.  This is the only connection to St. Louis that I can find for Dickens.  More interesting, I think, is his trip to Niagara Falls.  I have long thought that the water pictured in image 12 seems to resemble a water fall (especially the way the waves are cresting on the bottom right-hand portion of the illustration).  If image 12 goes with verse 10, the Dickens reference might be leading to Niagara Falls.  Reason I say this is that his description of the falls in his letters (also can be found on the right side of the above-referenced site under heading “Dickens’ letters to John Forster from Ameica-1842 – Visiting Niagara Falls”) is a very famous passage in that it was apparently the one place in the US that Dickens thought to be remarkably beautiful.  SO much so that when you go to a site on Niagara Falls
http://www.niagarafallsstatepark.com
you can go to the “Discover the Falls – Amazing Facts and Figures” section and pictured in the right hand corner is an illustration of – you guessed it – Charles Dickens.  Seems Niagara Tourism uses Dickens’ description of the falls to this day as one of the great passages ever written about the National Park.  While Dickens seems to have other connections to NY and the lower east side/Bowery area, I don’t see any other stronger connection why the “Natives would still be speaking of him of Hard word” except to echo his passionate descriptive terms to promote the National State Park at Niagara.
Thus, I wonder if image 12 with the face of the Lady Liberty could actually be referring to the New York state side of Niagra Falls?? and not St. Louis or the lower east side of Manhattan.
Being as how much of this posting also pertains to the string on image 12, I will copy and post a portion of the same there as well to see if it stirs up any thoughts.

In the shadow
Of the grey giant
Find the arm that
Extends over the slender path
Suppose you are on the top floor of Tower Two and find the Verrazano over the Narrows, do we have to go all the way down river to the bridge to find the whirring sound?  Or can we see and hear the whirring from the WTC just from looking south in the direction of the bridge?  Battery Park…
I can remember seeing Ronald Reagan arrive at the heliport at Battery Park back in 82′.  The heliport is right by the nice square clock.  It is also across the park from the National Museum of American Indians that is also right next to Alexander Hamilton’s Customs House.
You have a nice view of the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island (the domes).  A very nice Eagle at the granite memorial walls within Battery Park.
If I coiuld only find a v and an Isle of B.  hmmm.  Wow.  Verse5 fit this so well years ago.

Unknown

Unknown:
Suppose you are on the top floor of Tower Two and find the Verrazano over the Narrows, do we have to go all the way down river to the bridge to find the whirring sound?  Or can we see and hear the whirring from the WTC just from looking south in the direction of the bridge?  Battery Park…

I was never there, but I bet you wouldn’t have been able to hear squat from the upper levels of the WTC. Too high.

Unknown

Unknown:
I was never there, but I bet you wouldn’t have been able to hear squat from the upper levels of the WTC. Too high.

Only when the helicopters lifted off and flew around the towers.
isle=island or islet
2: something resembling an island esp. in its isolated or surrounded position: as a: a usually raised area within a thoroughfare, parking lot, or driveway used especially to separate or direct traffic.
Island of the Wall Street
Bull
.  Easily viewed from Battery Park, and NORTH.
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Wall+Street+Bull&m=text

Wasn’t put there til’ 89′.
Kind of isle to keep in mind though.

“[T]he smatterer in science … thinks, that by mouthing hard words, he proves that he understands hard things.”
—Herman Melville, “White Jacket,” Ch. 63 (1850).

maybe Trohn is right here.  Maybe we need to be more general with our “rhapsodic man”.  Instead of assuming Gershwin for Rhapsody in Blue, why not just think of rhapsody as in music.
Hmm…just thought of something while typing this out and havent done any research….more than likely a dead end but…
Does one of our possible cities have a Blue Island in the harbor somewhere?  That would confirm Gershwin as our Rhapsodic man and give us our Isle of B…

fox

Does one of our possible cities have a Blue Island in the harbor somewhere?  That would confirm Gershwin as our Rhapsodic man and give us our Isle of B…   :-\

There’s one outside of Chicago…No help.
How ’bout
Bohemian Rhapsody
.  Rhapsodic man-  Freddie Mercury, or Queen.  That song came out way before the Secret.
Queen
was bigger in Canada than it was here believe or not.  Is Sean Kelly a fan?  Maybe Mercury Street, or Queen Street or a name of a park.  Lot’s of soil in a park.

Interestingly coincidental…..
would a ‘Bohemian’ be considered an ‘Indies Native’
I think they would….
Strange but true with this verse.

Alex had a famous quote ….hard words are rarely useful

Mr merit

Alex had a famous quote ….hard words are rarely useful

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MERLIN

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well, merit………he had to ‘go there’.
Merlin has finally shown us the true meaning. Thank you.

Being a noob on this board, what is the underlying purpose of this board?
I thought it would be a place where individuals, in quest for treasures, can post their theories which can be analyzed, debated, tested, accepted or refuted.
How do irrelevant quotes, comments and replies help in this quest except to make that member feel good about themselves?
Interesting that some commentators have no posts themselves that offers their own theories or facts. They just comment.
Are they here to leech information provided by others?
Are they here to demoralize any treasure hunters so that they can share in their own misery that they themselves have no chance of finding any treasure or even basic deciphering skills?