wk

How about this location?
http://goo.gl/maps/IMuoV

Seeing as “cleft” is by definition a V, and the fact that you can take east steps to East St. from it, Cleft Ridge seems quite plausible.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.65988,-73.964762,3a,15y,350.99h,87.14t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sYUqjdMMUGWXEThkLsmy8fg!2e0!3e5

Wicket

The First US Congress met three times so there are three volumes. The first two meetings were held at Federal Hall in NYC, the third in Phil.

whereas that very well may be a part of the greater aspect of the puzzle, in some sense, it doesnt seem to account for the Hard being capitalized.

OK here goes my solve for Verse 10 image 12.
First I will go over a small but important portion of the image , that being the central portion which leads you to the park.The robe belt that dangles below the waist represents Roosevelt island and the image of the face on this portion of the dangling belt is FDR ( see the head bust at south tip of island)
Now the verse 10
In the shadow of the grey giant = now this could refer to just about any tall building in Manhattan area or other large structure but my guess is the Queensborough bridge or the large sky scraper that you see when looking east from West Main St. on Roosevelt island. I think he does most of his digging late in the day and that large sky scraper could cast a long shadow at sunset maybe.
Find the arm that extends over The slender path = Queensborough bridge is the arm and it has a pathway across the bridge to the island
In summer you’ll often hear a whirring sound = Roosevelt island Tramway from Manhattan ( some even say it sounds like a helicopter on trip advisor)
Cars abound= cars on the island or cars going over the Queensborough bridge itself
Although the sign near by speaks of indies native = Can’t say for certain since signs change over the years but it could be referring to the FDR and his 4 freedoms that are carved in stone at the south end of the island or something else
The natives still speak of him of hard word in 3 vols = I guess someone wrote a 3 volume book about him, I think Ed Koch ( former Mayor),had some books written about him.
Take twice as many steps east as the hour or more = a step is about 2.1 to 2.5 feet and since the clock in the picture says 11 o’clock then go about 22 steps or more eastbound ( keep this distance and direction we use it in the end to solve the location ). FDR also served as POTUS for 11 years.
From the middle of one branch of the V = If you start heading east on West Main St. , once you get off the tramway the road splits one going north the other south. You take the road going north in about the middle you see the steps going into the Firefighter field.
Look down and see simple roots in rhapsodic mans soil = So your standing at the stairs looking down into the baseball field and the simple roots could just refer to the grass or the simple origins of the game of baseball that people are crazy about
So this is the point where you take your steps going east as mentioned above.( 22 steps east)
Or gaze north towards the isle of B = he is saying to the north is the isle of B . That island is Randall’s island and it was originally called Little Barn island.

brutal lol

JoshCornell

brutal lol

That’s OK Josh , you have to have an open mind.

i mean, why throw away clearly right info cause you didnt come up with it? ill never get that…
verazzano bridge is def over the most narrow straight.

JoshCornell

i mean, why throw away clearly right info cause you didnt come up with it? ill never get that…
verazzano bridge is def over the most narrow straight.

You always need a plan B

Thank you maltedfalcon for your thorough explanation ,patience and understanding , something Mr. Seabass should try to emulate.

Unknown

Unknown:
Yampah Hot Springs vapor caves are historic underground steam baths. They are over 100 years old and were used by the Ute Indians as a source of rejuvenation and healing. Today, the vapor caves consist of three adjoining underground rock chambers. Cave temperatures average 110 to 112 °F (43 to 44 °C). The hot springs and mineral caves are prime attractions to tourists and were a main reason for the settlement of Glenwood Springs. As such, there is an adjoining spa and salon.

The natives still speak
Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.
Could ‘Hard’ be a word for water with a high mineral content aka Hard water?
The 3 Vols. or Volumes could be a reference to just any volume or 3 dimensional encapsulation such as the 3 adjoined underground rock chambers.
Wikipedia:
Basically a glowing blue/green circle with steam rising off of it.

I think I thought of this before, but in case I hadn’t,
Find the arm that
Extends over the slender path
The Nine o’clock Gun aims over the water and over the railways.  A rail is slender.

If Hard =
Harding
.
The middle stone has his profile, the two others have his speech. Note: “the ties that bind”.
http://vancouver.ca/images/cov/content/ … Plaque.jpg
I’m beginning to wonder more about the cap letters.
Indies
Hard Vol
B

If Hard = Harding.
The middle stone has his profile, the two others have his speech. Note: “the ties that bind”.
http://vancouver.ca/images/cov/content/ … Plaque.jpg
I’m beginning to wonder more about the cap letters.
Indies
Hard Vol
B

Trohn – Can you elaborate on this locations for those of us not familiar with the area? What are you claiming is the “steel giant”?

there’s a bus stop 5 here, the B5:
http://www.qsl.net/bklynqrp/jpj-park.htm
here’s another coincidence about the Immigrant Song:
“The song is dedicated to the Icelander Leif Ericson,”
and leif ericson dr is right there with the bridge, and when you do the “map it” at the park site, it says
ericson dr.  EN-SB
one thing that bothers me is the Russian theme, unless u put the Norse with it……..john paul jones was in the russian navy, and then leif ericson was nordic..
and then those “eyeballs”………..lol
from the pictures of the norse guys, i would look where the bridges overlap, the cables to the bridges, and maybe the utilites (bathroom?)

Wicket, oddly enough I feel that the casque is located in a place like Endor. (Stanley Park, Vancouver BC.)

https://tinyurl.com/y94hvdqj
QUeen logo, Freddie Mercury is one of the fairies
https://tinyurl.com/ybnqvmoe
Rampant lion

https://tinyurl.com/ybslt9ky
Someone suggested that this ocean wave was St. George. IDK?
What I do know is that the dress the SOL lady is wearing smacks of a Greek dress. The collar is Greek. So with the Russian looking roof tops I googled Greek Orthodox churches. I found one in Astoria, Queens that is called St Catherine and St. George. here is a painting of St Catherine
https://tinyurl.com/y9uu68pb
Her feast day is Nov 24th. So I looked up notable people born on that day. One is Cass Gilbert, American architect. He built the WOOLWorth bldg in NYC, among others. So, Greek garment and WOOLwoth, garment district where you’ll find Bryant Park and NYC Public library which houses the 6 Shakespeare folios.
Toulouse Lautrec was also born on Nov 24. He did a project with Louis Comfort Tiffany, of Tiffany and Co. fame, stained glass artist. The art piece is called The New Circus and Papa Chrysanthemum. The lady is holding a chrysanthemum.
https://tinyurl.com/y84ovhs7
I am sure that there are clues in the art but I have not explored these yet.

Grand Central has an opal clock, could be one of the droplets. It has the lesser God Mercury on the building. Has a Tiffany window with the clock in it on the outside of the bldg. The expression “meet you at the clock” comes from the opal clock inside the station.
Another interesting feature is the ceiling is painted with constellations that light up. It was noticed long ago that the constellations were put up incorrectly. Some were put up from a God’s eye view, not our view from earth. And they were reversed. I would not be surprised if we are supposed to rotate items on the drawing.

Astoria named for John Jacob Astor. Astor is German for “goshawk” which means “hawklike”
Waldorf-Astoria Hotel was famous for Red Velvet Cake. The cake was made using vinegar to form little bubbles in the cake creating a unique texture. The red block with bubbles could point to that hotel or a bakery.
So possibly all of these bldgs are way points. Grand Central, Waldorf Astoria, Tiffany &Co. etc.

IMO the shadow under the lady’s nose, turn the drawing upside down and it looks like a Doberman Pinscher.
https://goo.gl/images/E491gz
That would lead me to the Westminster Kennel Club dog show, at Madison Square Garden. The Madison Square Garden as opposed to Madison square Garden. The venue is actually oval shaped. The WKC is the second oldest sporting event in the US, bested only by the Kentucky Derby. It is the greatest dog show in the world.
I think Preiss is taking us on a tour of his city.

Capital letters in verse 10, plus the 3:
IOFEIYCANSITOH3(THREE)VTOFOLAIOTB
YOV CAN SIT O(N) IT FE(iron) (S)HOE (WA)TER FOAL II BOTH(ER)
Use the added letters: NSWAER= ANSWER
SO MAYBE: SEA ANSWER, C ANSWER, CANCER= JULY CRAB
II BOTHER=AGITATE=CRABBY
Rearrange CRABBY= BRAC(KET)= KET+BY= B TYKE= IS DOG
TYKE is in the Robert Burn’s poem Tam O’Shanter. He sees a “towzie tyke” which means shaggy mongrel, in the form of auld Nick (the devil) when he is walking in the graveyard. There is a statue of Burns in CP. Balto the hero dog is in CP too.
To brainstorm on SIT,IRON SHOE,WATER FOAL
Seat,ferry,boat,horse,bench,raft,diver,horse shoe,sea horse,surf,sea shore

All you need is love!
Use LOVE for:
L=A Y=N
M=B Z=O
N=C A=P
O=D B=Q
P=E C=R
Q=F D=S
R=G E=T
S=H F=U
T=I G=V
U=J H=W
V=K I=X
W=L J=Y
X=M K=Z
LOVE + ADKT= DAKOT(A) LE(A)V(E) (KLUE)= CLUE A EA, which is a small body of water like a stream
Adding letters that the puzzle already has is like using valeyforg to make valley forge, use the l and e twice
JOHN LENNON= YDWCATCCDC= WYD ACDC C(A)TC(H)=WHOLE LOTTA ROSIE=LET THERE BE ROCK ALBUM=A SONG NAMED CRABSODY IN BLUE! I have never heard of this song before.
The AH in catch=18 which is a mirror number, so is AH. 1881=AHHA moment
18th letter is R, 1+8=9=I ahri = HAIR

NYCNative

Wicket, you should really consider making a whole new thread to put down all of your ideas.

I have no idea how to do that. Maybe I can PM you to talk about the thread? Since your profession will help, I would love your input.

Wicket

Of course! So we have to look for that too!

Bon Scott died too.

Wicket

I have no idea how to do that. Maybe I can PM you to talk about the thread? Since your profession will help, I would love your input.

On the front page of the forum, click on the “New Topic” button, top left.
Or, add your posts to the Kryptos thread (which was already suggested).
You can also revive the following thread, that’s roughly on page 14 of the forum;
http://quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=811

Mister EZ

On the front page of the forum, click on the “New Topic” button, top left.
Or, add your posts to the Kryptos thread (which was already suggested).
You can also revive the following thread, that’s roughly on page 14 of the forum;
http://quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=811

I don’t want to seem off topic, can I PM you?

I now have new found appreciation for Bluebery’s elevation benchmark / out of state marker/ ley line vector approach…

Wicket, you should really consider making a whole new thread to put down all of your ideas.

maltedfalcon

I apologize if I seemed harsh.
Personally I think the best way to deal with any theory is try your hardest to knock it down. if it keeps standing, maybe it is good.
But seriously you have to admit , that was a pretty funny line….

Left me satisfied!

slowrisingwhitebread

You guys really bend over backwards to make new folks feel welcome here, huh?

I apologize if I seemed harsh.
Personally I think the best way to deal with any theory is try your hardest to knock it down. if it keeps standing, maybe it is good.
But seriously you have to admit , that was a pretty funny line….

Unknown

Unknown:
So when you likened Wicket to JC

That was me. And if you think that I think that Josh is “just another crazy poster”, then you really haven’t been paying attention. The jury is still out on Wicket.

MrSeabass

I’m glad to see there’s a board game version of that.
Gonna rush out to Toys R Us and buy one for…oh. Wait….

Hard words in 3 vols. Is Shakespeare. In The Tempest, first folio is what I used page 5. Capitalized words Rocke Language. The Tempest and Shakespeare are statues in CP. I know that it isn’t in CP, or so I’ve read, but these statues may point to something else. Let me take a snapshot of The Tempest so everyone can see.

NYCNative

Wicket,
I am not sure about everyone else, but your posts makes no sense at all. I know you wish that the puzzles includes cryptography and rock bands,just like some people like to think it has all to do with vectors, but I am pretty sure it is not applicable here. While I appreciate the theory and the attempt, it is kind of annoying to read over and over again. Choosing random landmarks and monuments and applying your theory to it is not making any progress. We see that way to often in this forum. I would suggest you read the plethora of information already provided in this forums from numerous theories and failed attempts.
Plus what is the point of point numerical values to random letters? Where is that leading you to? More absurd guesses?

If you don’t like what I write, don’t read my posts. BTW E is the 5th letter of the alphabet which equals Roman numeral V. To me that isn’t too random, but to each his own.

Wicket

Hard words in 3 vols. Is Shakespeare. In The Tempest, first folio is what I used page 5. Capitalized words Rocke Language. The Tempest and Shakespeare are statues in CP. I know that it isn’t in CP, or so I’ve read, but these statues may point to something else. Let me take a snapshot of The Tempest so everyone can see.

https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/12e … 3bbb2a8a35
I put this in a PDF and highlighted the words. You can zoom in and see. The word Rocke is said by Miranda and the word Language is said by Caliban. If you look, there is no reason for either of those words to be capitalized. Hard word, Rocke Language.

Wicket

https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/12e … 3bbb2a8a35
I put this in a PDF and highlighted the words. You can zoom in and see. The word Rocke is said by Miranda and the word Language is said by Caliban. If you look, there is no reason for either of those words to be capitalized. Hard word, Rocke Language.

I find your analysis and connections interesting, albeit a bit outlandish. Can you circle any of this back and apply it to the puzzle and a proposed dig spot. I mean, that’s what this is all about.

Unknown

Unknown:
I find your analysis and connections interesting, albeit a bit outlandish.

There is always one, and thankfully for me since I read everything, usually only one at a time. Wicket now occupies the chair formerly held by Josh.
I am continually amazed at the creativity this puzzle inspires.

Fenix

You mean in the 28 days that you have been on the forum?
I like numerical values….your post to days ration is very similar to Wicket’s, just saying.

Yes, in the 28 days I have been a member of this forum, that has been my experience. Funny that counting the time i have been here and the number of my posts matters at all! I suppose that since you have been here for 15 years,that makes you superior. By this point you must be the jedi master of creating and replying to posts!! Congrats on all your accomplishments, wise Yoda!
Now lets continue to count Freddy Mercury’s ass freckles until we figure out how many steps East we really should be going!

Shakespeare has been considered before. I haven’t seen how it really fits or ties things together.

NYCNative

Yes, in the 28 days I have been a member of this forum, that has been my experience. Funny that counting the time i have been here and the number of my posts matters at all! I suppose that since you have been here for 15 years,that makes you superior. By this point you must be the jedi master of creating and replying to posts!! Congrats on all your accomplishments, wise Yoda!
Now lets continue to count Freddy Mercury’s ass freckles until we figure out how many steps East we really should be going!

New posters ideas, as long as they aren’t retreads, are just as valid as those of veterans.
The thing here is, there are some subtle things Wicket does that show he’s being more tongue-and-cheek, that he’s not just another crazy poster. Stuff like saying a song is actually a reference to a different song, and calling the author “John Preiss.” This is something that I think a lot of veterans caught because we’ve seen that thing before. But newer people would probably miss these clues and just think he’s another crazy poster. So when you likened Wicket to JC, and said it was something we’ve seen a lot, it was not reflective of what people who have been here a lot longer were seeing.

How I came up with Rocke Language in The Tempest
When I first saw the show on Josh Gates I looked it up. I started on NYC because that is where John Preiss was from.
I read the poem and started with rhapsodic man because I associated that with Queen, not George Gershwin or others. Queen was popular when I was in school. To me it was a logical place to start. And, the play on Queen/Queens was funnny to me. If you check my first posts, that is where I started. I thought Brian May in the Bohemian Rhapsody video looked kinda like the lady in the painting.
So then I decided to order the book. I skimmed through it and noticed that on page 66 there were two items from NYC. The big statue is the USS Maine, and the Pill Grim (Pilgrim) is a statue in Central Park as well. OK, so that was my starting point in the book.
I went with page 99 next, it is a 180 degree of 66. Just a hunch. A stretch of logic, maybe. On page 99 there is a picture of a Rock N Roll elf. His name is Elf S Presley. So what was this page telling me? Maybe my music theory had merit. The drawing has several words and symbols on it. Rock N Roll, Rock Lives, Party Animal. Hmmmm, “hard word” could equal “rock”.
Then I started on the gematria of some key words. Here is a decent website on the subject
http://www.masoncode.com/Masonry%20and%20Cabala.htm
.
I used our 26 letter alphabet, A to Z equals numbers 1 to 26. A being number 1, Z being number 26. Pretty simple way to figure the gematria of any given word.
The logical word to start with was ROCK, it equals 47. The word JEWELS is 74.
A JEWEL is referred to as a ROCK. Coincidence, maybe. I kept going. I felt by Intuition that John Lennon figured into this since he was murdered in 1980. Also, as pointed out, John Bohnam and Bon Scott died that year too. JOHN =47 LENNON=74. So 47/74 was a possibility.
Page 47 was the first poem about “a dozen paintings share the clues”. I have not worked on this page very much yet.
Page 74 is about the HOUSEHOLD UNFAMILIAR. In spotter’s tips there are two words that could have two possible meanings, or a play on words. The word GRAVY could be GRAY V. The word LETTUCE could be LET US. These play on words are absolutely no different than PILL GRIM and ELF S PRESLEY, etc. The book is full of them. I noticed that if you break down the word LETTUCE as an anagram, it could read CLUE TT E. A CLUE about TT E? Mr. Preiss used abbreviations in his solved puzzles. Such as M and B. It was thought to be Man and Beast, but I have also seen a different take on it as Mozart and Beethoven. So abbreviations were possible. The Tempest is also a statue in Central Park so I went with that TT. And the lonely letter E? I used the 5th letter of the alphabet to represent number 5.
I looked up a first folio of Shakespeare’s works, here is the website
http://internetshakespeare.uvic.ca/Libr … ok/F1.html
.
And sure enough on the 5th page of The Tempest were the words ROCKE LANGUAGE. Impossibly impossible? Coincidence? Maybe a REALLY BIG one. To me it equals HARD WORD.
BTW! The word CASQUE=66

I wish ppl would use the search, Johann already posted all that in 1998.

MrSeabass

Someone asked me to post this, how I got to TT. So I did. No need to be mean. Even if you don’t like the gematria, page 66 has 2 NYC CP statues. Page 99 has rock n Roll Elf S Presley “his biggest pleasure is encouraging the popularity of dead rock stars over live ones”. That is straight from the book, those are facts.

Edit: Right solve, wrong verse

WhiteRabbit

I wish ppl would use the search, Johann already posted all that in 1998.

I had no idea that there was a search. I find it hard to believe, although not impossible, that someone had the same thought process. That being said, if 2 people came up with the same solve, there could be some validity to it. Your point is well taken and I will use that in the future.

Wicket

I had no idea that there was a search. I find it hard to believe, although not impossible, that someone had the same thought process. That being said, if 2 people came up with the same solve, there could be some validity to it. Your point is well taken and I will use that in the future.

Can you send me a link to the post by Johann?

drunknerds

Edit: Right solve, wrong verse

It disappeared but I read it. Sounds well thought out without knowing anything about it. Could it be? You used Marx for Mark? Of course, because it sounds the same! Tough crowd to put that by.

BTW, Wicket is a girl. Did you know that a wicket is an actual measurement? It is 66 x 10, used in a game. So, instead of playing numbers wang as someone meanly suggested, let’s have fun with numbers! OK, here we go with gematria: the word CASQUE=66. There are 10 puzzles left to solve. Hmmmm 66 x 10 = 660. And for the nutty finale……..the 660th word of the Declaration of Independence is……wait for it…….SUPERIOR! Ahahahaha!

maltedfalcon

I was always hoped that just north of the casque site, there would be a tree with a heart carved into it
and in the heart it would say “I Love Bea”
regardless, though, a peninsula is not an isle. Nobody ever said the Isle of San Francisco…

Understandable. My brief research resulted in isle as “almost an island” rather than a small island. A peninsula is almost an island.
I’m tempted by the notion of a place named Point B, or B Point.

strike13

I miss lost

All except for the end.

Wicket

The father of Ulysses S Grant was named Jesse Root Grant. Ulysses’ youngest son was also named Jesse Root Grant.
Aside from Grant’s tomb on the west side of Manhattan, there is a statue of Grant depicting him during the Civil War on horseback. “The statue was placed on a large broad granite base and installed in the triangle formed by the intersection of Rogers and Bedford Avenues, with Bergen Street closing off the triangle. Grant faces the 23rd Regiment Armory, fittingly, and also has quite a view of Manhattan, and the future of the city. ” ( Brownstoner Nov 1 2013)
https://www.brownstoner.com/history/pas … ts-statue/
This link gives other details that are at least coincidental. This statue is in Brooklyn.
I did not see this posted anywhere else on the forum.

what relates to Grant in the NY puzzle? or are you cross referencing shit from SF?

guys the grey giant is Gray’s Peak…it’s the mountain which is due N of NYC.
i already told you guys that, and the answer to the Harding clue…

get with the program…if its not the park thats IN THE PAINTING…its not that park. i already crushed this. still need to map it out completely though. SF is so long.

ill save you the hassle and just tell you that the Harding clue sends you to the Bolivar Statue in Central Park.

anus905

what relates to Grant in the NY puzzle? or are you cross referencing shit from SF?

JESSE ROOT GRANT his father and his son. I thought we were looking for ROOTS? AND SEE SIMPLE ROOTS. I am not cross referencing any shit from anywhere. I am referencing shit from the NY puzzle.

The father of Ulysses S Grant was named Jesse Root Grant. Ulysses’ youngest son was also named Jesse Root Grant.
Aside from Grant’s tomb on the west side of Manhattan, there is a statue of Grant depicting him during the Civil War on horseback. “The statue was placed on a large broad granite base and installed in the triangle formed by the intersection of Rogers and Bedford Avenues, with Bergen Street closing off the triangle. Grant faces the 23rd Regiment Armory, fittingly, and also has quite a view of Manhattan, and the future of the city. ” ( Brownstoner Nov 1 2013)
https://www.brownstoner.com/history/pas … ts-statue/
This link gives other details that are at least coincidental. This statue is in Brooklyn.
I did not see this posted anywhere else on the forum.

I researched the “World’s Fair” on the forum and did not come up with anything for Verse 10/picture 12. There are many references to these fairs for other verses.
The 1939 Fair was held in Flushing Meadows Corona Park. This World’s Fair was held at the same time as the one in San Franciso/Oakland area.
The Fair was opened on the 150th anniversary of Washington being sworn in as President that took place in lower Manhattan. There was a huge statue of Washington at the fair. It stands 61 feet tall, and I am not sure if that includes the height of the base. That could be the “grey giant”. He was a giant among men as well as a giant statue to rival Egyptian works.
http://boweryboyshistory.com/wp-content … 4/04/1.jpg
There are many displays at this Fair that could be part of the verse. The Trylon, Periosphere, and the Helicline could also be grey giants. The Trylon, which stands for triangular pylon could be the “V”. A “V”is two dimensional, a three dimensional V is a triangular spire.
” ▪ Composer (and Rhapsody in Blue orchestrator) Ferde Grofé was commissioned by the World’s Fair to compose a piece of symphonic music dedicated to the sculptured edifices.” ( Wiki, Trylon and Perisphere)
Westinghouse had a time capsule that is to be opened in 6939.
There was also a World’s Fair at the same location as the 1939 Fair.
The Fair had a planetarium. In Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen, Galileo is mentioned. The planetarium could also refer to “rhapsodic man’s soil”.
There was a book written in 1939 called “The World’s Fair Goblin” after tours of the uncompleted Fair were given. The book is all about the Fair.
Even though Wiki isn’t always correct, I did use it for some of this research. I also used other sources.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_Ne … d%27s_Fair
It is all interesting and I think there are other clues in this information.

Whirring.  I just reviewed the dictionary on this and realized I had it stuck in my head that it was synonymmous with whirling.  Appar ently this might just be a good hint to do with the miniature train as it makes noise while rapidly transporting people.

I think I’m having a moment of clarity here in consideration of the word “isle”.  Conventionally we refer to any small island as an isle, but it can be less conventionally be used to describe any small area or platform used for the placement of something.
In Stanley Park, I’ve been looking at different things involving the a name that start’s with B spread out over a great distance, Burrard, Beaver, Brockton, and Bowen.  It’s all too loose or abstract and therefore wrong.  I’m gathering a strong sense for these verses now and I think the “isle of B” must be some reference that is very well defined, possibly a point of reference for finding the specific casque spot.
I’ve been researching the Lumberman’s Arch quite a bit and may have something sharp.  Originally it was built in 1912 by architect George Pigrum Bowie at Pender and Hamilton.  It was then moved to the current site of the Lumberman’s Arch, dismantled in 1947, and replaced by the simple log arch with plaque since.  It’s nickname is the “Bowie Arch”.  I believe it satisfies the unconventional sense of an isle.  Something could concievably be placed upon it and it would be cut off or isolated from it’s surroundings unless it were to fall off.  I think we must find a spot that is visually south of the arch, or “isle of Bowie”.
The spot by the checkerboards isn’t directly south of the Lumberman’s Arch but there is a direct path which passes the WWI memorial that connects the two.

fox

Unfortunately, I think you are forcing answers again x. There have been so many clarity moments for you…unfortunately they are all on the same V/I and all lead to different locations.

Sheesh, I thought my vapid-flaccid-garrulous findings wouldn’t continue to be percieved as forced.  My ideas must seem like the infected corpses on the Walking Dead.  If so, I invite a cout de grace.  Show me the crowbar.  Convince us where an idea has utterly failed to perform up to standards.  There is nothing wrong with a hearty and precise stab to the core. If my pairings are wrong, we won’t know until a casque is found.  But if that is the extent of you’re criticism, then why bother reading any of these posts?  Let’s get down to business.  Look for clarity and yes, avoid forcing things, that has gotten so many of us into trouble, we (I) know that now (and thanks for the reminder), but have I really done that?  How?  I’ve only made a statement of clarity in the syntax of “See Spot.  See Spot run.  See spot fetch ball.”  I’ll be damned if that log isn’t grey, extending over a slender path (all other paths around are actually wider by comparison), the No.374 CPR train has an irrefutable connection to Lord Stephens who has the infamous legeater on his doorstep, the poppy flower IS well known as a symbol of the Canadian involvement in the theater of WWI, and then we have giant checkerboards.

The more I look at it, it’s grey, it’s giant, it’s a slender path, it has historical significance, a plaque, a B. name, isle-like, and most of all it leads to a WWI memorial (poppy flower symbolism) and then the checkerboards.  No stretches of imagination, all literal, all clever in an unconventional sense.
To bad I can’t pin down the blob.  nada on that damn thing.

Unfortunately, I think you are forcing answers again x. There have been so many clarity moments for you…unfortunately they are all on the same V/I and all lead to different locations.

egads.  I’m sorry for ranting, it doesn’t really contribute towards making positive strides.
Regardless of what V/I pairing I’m working with, one thing I’d expect worthy of inspection is the idea relating to the games children play.  A pretend island is a common game.  A couch, a throw rug, a tree stump, or anything that allows a child to feel like they are stranded on an island in an imaginative landscape might be the tactic at work here.  Imagine getting close to where the casque is buried and then wondering what next thing will bring you closer.  Gazing north at the isle of B… could be relating to a childs pretend game as I said.  That would be most suitable if there’s a children’s play area to the north of where the casque is buried.
I’ll take a look at the map of my area in Stanley Park and see if there’s a children’s area.

forest_blight

boogie – I like where this is going. But in order for your theory to be correct, the “Indian head” plaque would have to refer to someone
of Hard word in 3 Vols.
We’ve made an argument that “
him
” is Hamilton, but who is actually mentioned by name on the plaque?

I’m not sure that it is my theory.  I mean, Hamilton is still about the sign and JPJ is still about the plaque.. In reality, the entire park could be considered rhapsodic man’s soil.  The
simple roots
maybe the Indian head as a simple tie-in.  But the
Look down
bit still takes me to the plaque.  It’s the v that is the key.  For the x to be the plaque, the
cente
r of the v would have to be 22 steps
west
of the plaque that is located in the
middle of one branch
of that darned v.  That
one branch
must be headed east.  No?  The gazebo is about 60 yards to the west of the plaque so can we really consider it, I don’t think so.
Look down
And see simple roots
In rhapsodic man’s soil
Or gaze north
Towards the Isle of B.
Go 22 east steps and look down and you see the grass?
When you gaze north, you see the plaque?
Start digging?
The v is the key….

boogieman

I’m not sure that it is my theory.  I mean, Hamilton is still about the sign and JPJ is still about the plaque.. In reality, the entire park could be considered rhapsodic man’s soil.  The
simple roots
maybe the Indian head as a simple tie-in.  But the
Look down
bit still takes me to the plaque.
It’s the v that is the key
.  For the x to be the plaque, the
cente
r of the v would have to be 22 steps
west
of the plaque that is located in the
middle of one branch
of that darned v.  That
one branch
must be headed east.  No?  The gazebo is about 60 yards to the west of the plaque so can we really consider it, I don’t think so.
Look down
And see simple roots
In rhapsodic man’s soil
Or gaze north
Towards the Isle of B.
Go 22 east steps and look down and you see the grass?
When you gaze north, you see the plaque?
Start digging?
The v is the key….

The ‘v’ for me is the corner of 4th street and Shore Drive.
Look at the over head images and you’ll see a perfect
V marked off by the cross walk.  It makes sense that 22 steps
from the neaest ‘branch’ and more from the further one.
Take a look over head, one photo shows the street before it
was dug up and repaved, the other, after wards.
It is perfectly west of the plaque.
And there is a ‘sign nearby’ that is for the entrance to the Belt Parkway.

If you put a compass in the plaque and set it to 22 yards roughly, and made a complete circle around it, where the heck is the v?

here is a reference i found of “hard word” through a roundabout way from st. louis, dutch, new nederland, new york……..not many can beat me in being distracted, lol
“Full Title: The New World of Words: or, Universal English Dictionary. Containing An Account of the Original or Proper Sense, and Various Significations of all Hard Words derived from other Languages, viz. Hebrew, Arabick, Syriack, Greek, Latin, Italian, French, Spanish, British, Saxon, Danish, Dutch, &c. as now made use of in our English Tongue. Together with A Brief and Plain Explication of all Terms”
found here:
http://18thcenturyreadingroom.wordpress … ords-1706/
which made me think of dictionaries and then i read up on Noah Webster, which it seems he did 3 volumes…..
“After about a decade of preparation, Merriam issued the entirely new Webster’s Third New International Dictionary, Unabridged (familiarly known as Webster’s Third, or W3) in September 1961, edited by Philip Babcock Gove and containing over 450,000 entries, including over 50,000 new words and as many new senses for existing words.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webster’s_Dictionary
and then i found this American Sign Museum, in Hartford Ct, where webster lived:
http://www.signmuseum.com/histories/may1981.php
“although the sign”…………from the verse
“fittingly, the museum is attached to the homestead of the man who, perhaps throughout our nation’s history, has most realized the power of the written word — Noah Webster.”
also found this:
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id= … _8IaRVcltU
but haven’t had time to check anything….too many ideas, too little time
just some more whacky research, probably nothing, but still interesting

catherwood

The natives still speak
Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.”
There is a play on words there, i can feel it.  Can I ask if this capitalization is in the book?

Hey all, Brooklynite here that works almost exclusively on the NYC casque for obvious reasons.
Been at this hunt on and off for a few years, but in a recent bout of deep diving, I stumbled on something very convincing that I can’t seem to formulate a definitive takeaway from. I also don’t see any similar interpretations of this line mentioned anywhere else, so it’s time to finally turn it over to the hive mind!
Three things about “3 Vols.” have always bugged me. Using the number 3 as opposed to spelling it out. The capital V. The period.
Capitals are generally proper nouns as seen with Congress in Chicago, so I took this to heart and entered 3 Vols. into Google maps.
The second you add the period (crucial part), Google maps immediately identifies this as an address written in Lithunanian formatting:
3 Volstrytas OR 3 Wall Street
The Good:
This is an exact location and would be located directly across the street from Hamilton’s grave. “Him of Hard” word would presumably be literally
IN
there or at least referenced in there. Also Lithuania is very closely related to the Russian immigrant theme but uses a more accessible alphabet as opposed to the cyrillic used by Russia.
Problems:
There is no current 3 Wall St, and no history of a 3 Wall St, but on Google Maps ‘Old Stonington Custom House’ the original customs/federal house is in the location that it would currently be. Back then, maybe street numbers were allocated differently? My fear is that there was some reference to this in or around One Wall street which is currently under EXTENSIVE renovation. Can’t even access the street behind the building (New St.). I’ve been three times and can’t find any 3 Wall St. references and have exhausted my Google image and Waymarking searches.
“Him of Hard word” might have been a painting or sculpture in a public building pass through that appears to have existed in One Wall Street/80 Broadway based on the local area maps posted nearby for tourists.
One Wall St houses the Irving Trust/BNY Mellon building and uses the lots for 1-10 Wall Street.
Have I gone off the deep end and this is indeed too good to be true? I keep going back and forth between thinking this theory is quite plainly unsupported enough that it doesn’t work and that it’s also just too coincidental on many levels to not be true. I’ve studied the two past solves and the other nine ongoing searches extensively enough to feel this is very “on brand” for how Preiss makes puzzles. Especially if he has any Eastern Europe heritage, which I think I heard he does somewhere.
I have a few theories to go along with this, but wanted to at least bounce this interpretation around a bit. If anyone would like to collaborate and hash some of my theories out, feel free to send a PM. I think they’re a bit too young and underdeveloped to toss to the wolves quite yet

still chewing on the island idea…took the kids to gymastics and watched them pretend they were on a boat as they walked across the balance beam.
The first line: In the shadow
I think it’s terrific that Pauline Johnson has a poem named “In the Shadows” and maybe that’s an obscure reference, but if my suspicions are correct then it will have more to do with the site including an alternate meaning such as to look for a situation where a person is contrasted with someone more skilled or better known (which might apply to anything and everything) or something which is obscure or secondary to something more recognized (again, that might apply to anything and everything).
My current focus on a site is the checkerboards area of Stanley Park in Vancouver BC.  One thing that I can think would apply is the general sense that each time people play checkers there’s a winner and a loser, the loser then is in the shadow of the winner.  Another is based on the etymology lookup referring to a designation of members of an opposition party chosen as counterparts of the government in power.  Another is the verb form to do with protecting or sheltering and also to follow closely.  Checkers is a game where you meet in opposition.  If the word takes the place of shadow we have the phrase “in the checkers”, which I like since I’ve determined that you must stand in the center of the checkerboard that represents one of the branches of the V, but it might also apply to the closet where the pieces are kept away in storage and “in the shadow” then means “in [closet] the checkers”.  I’m still chewing on the idea of “Or more” being a heterograph of “armoire”.  It might seem a stretch, but considering that many of the lines each have their own purpose, we have a choice to consider that thre’s a measure of twice as many steps of the hour and then the next line “or more” really puts strain on the previous line.  Considered separately, what else does it leave us to consider?  At least now we have an option, armoire=closet.  If there happens to be a closet and nothing else notable near a site, then you might have to conclude that it’s there as a marker to be used for locating an exact spot.  That’s my latest theory, someone needs to investigate this site and see what’s really going on.  Google view isn’t cutting it.

Egbert

My money is on Vancouver for this treasure.

Egbert

Also, Verse 10: “Him of Hard word in 3 Vols.” has got to be the Harding Memorial.

Wow, I got involved with this hunt only in 2011, but 5 or more years before that, users such as johan, fox, forest_blight and even Egbert were already showing interest in Stanley Park in Vancouver B.C.
Only, Egbert was or still is set on the notion that image 12 goes with verse 10, and the subject of the Harding Memorial in Stanley Park has gone by the wayside as more NY based theory has evolved to tug on the lines of verse 10.
I believe verse 10 isn’t meant for NY and works with image 9, but the Vancouver B.C. location, which unfortunately is contested by the discovery of the legeater and a host of other finds that favor the Montreal area. Even so, I think there’s an explanation for the inclusion of the legeater in the theory that supports Stanley Park.
The central focus of image 9, starting with it’s jewel and culture is the October Opal of the Lowland Gnomes. I believe Preiss was determined to pay homage to writer Hans Christian Andersen since he’s a great representative of Danish fairy tale literature. Image 9 isn’t a particularly great match for Hans Christian Andersen but it serves just fine as a caricature. What fits the first line of verse 10 is that Hans wrote a story titled “The Shadow”, and so “In the shadow” might be a hint to consider something related in the contents of that story.

Good luck and SMH

Good Morning—
We’re off to find the treasure this morning.
I won’t be posting results until next weekend, as I’ll need a few days to either:
1) Hire Publicist and Lawyer to Manage All the Excitement
-or-
2) Write up a nice PDF on Our NYC Solution
-or-
3) Get out of Jail Because We’ve Been Caught Digging Up Public Park Space
In the last option, I’ll probably need a few weeks to post back because my wife is divorcing me, and i’ll need to find a new home before I get around to posting again.
Before I sign-off for a few days let me mention two things:
It’s NOT the SPOT, It’s HOW I GET THERE that I think board members will appreciate.
Let me thank the two members who, after PM exchanges, guessed the general area of my probe/dig. You guys KNOW your stuff… Please don’t spoil my reveal this week, thnx.
Cheerio!

I like the Walloon monument in Battery Park even though it doesn’t go with any of my other ideas. I like that it has the lion/bear symbols on it from the water in the image.

Been working on this one a bit. There are some original/good posts early in this thread. Did a little “digging” to expound on a few this past week.
I think i might have found “the sign nearby” that “speaks of Indies native.” What’s the most accepted interpretation of that line right now?
Also, I’d mentioned it before, but does anyone else see the 7 and the 5 in the lady in Image 12’s arm/shoulder area?

The Natives still speak
Of him of Hard word in 3 vol.
This just throws me off. In the first line it’s easiest to assume Natives are primarily oral traditionalists, but in the next it sounds like a reference to a book(s). I wonder if the Hard word is a reference to wood, since books are made from paper which is a wood product. Wood is hard, but paper is soft.
I continue to wonder if a totem pole might be considered as a method of “story telling” and if one particular pole is of interest because it has just 3 characters. I have this image in my mind of making pancakes and using a volume measure container. You reach the first cup mark, then the second and third cup markings. A totem pole is kind of the same with each carved creature successively stacked on top of the others.
This leads me to wonder if there’s a totem pole in particular with just three stacked, or a set of three totem poles with any number of stacked creatures.

I have to scrap my ideas on this verse.  I think I’ve found a good candidate for the grey giant and slender path, the Le Phare du Cosmos statue in St. Helen’s.  It is within view of the Bioshpere and the Habitat 67 and within hearing distance of the race way where cars abound and whirr.

So, I agree with Frisco on that Alexander Hamilton/or Fort Hamilton (the ship and docking pier) are the Indies native. You can look up the Bermudian which I believe was a shipping line that was changed to the Fort Hamilton line that went between the Bermuda and New York. The ships that usually travelled this were from the west Indies.
Another note, the capital letters in the verse can spell out: A Blast Off to Coney. (Among other things)
They Gray Giant could be a lot of things..maybe even The Elephant Colossus that was a huge hotel in the shape of an elephant that burned down last century.
The slender path could be the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge.
The hard word could refer to the statue of Sir Walter Scott, or a school that still has to read his works.
These are just some of the things already mentioned I am sure.
But of course this is still not very solid either.
I am looking at implementing this to try and “find the needle in the haystack” so to speak:
http://www.siam.org/students/siuro/vol6 … KQpOY3EMOw

Merlot Brougham

Can someone remind me when this verse was set in stone?

Never! but it is kind of set in Jello.
again there is a pretty strong consensus of which verse goes with which city and why
of course, they could be wrong, but then that doesnt just affect a particular city it effects all the verses and what they are paired with.
because one change will cause a chain reaction of changes.
So if you are going to suggest a new verse/city pairing, then as part of looking at to see if it makes sense would be examining the likelyhood of other verses matching up with different cities based on your suggested change.

So, does this mean we are considering Jello Biafra is him of Hard word?

an elevated train perhaps?  I have never been there.

I have to consider the infinite possibilities of what could be meant by the “v” which is also something with branches.  The v itself is a letter which might be thought of as having two branches.
Some ideas I’m leaning towards,
1) v is a Vancouver related object, like a statue of George Vancouver (I’m not to interested in this option since it’s a lower case “v” and not a capital “V”.
2) v is an actual V letter, like on a sign at a branching roadway.  There’s a trail named Avision, where the lowercase v is clear.
3) v is a shape of an object at an intersection.
4) the variation with 180 degree rotation forming a simple arch /\.

fox

It looks like the city lacks the interest in cleaning up after that bull.

Interesting idea though.  An even more interesting tidbit regarding said bull:
http://gemssty.com/2007/01/01/wall-stre … %E2%84%A2/
I thought I read somewhere that it was because Wall St stock traders would rub it for good luck in the day’s trading.
…and before you ask….yes, I shined them up a bit during my visit to the big apple…

ouch…
=
????
That is harsh…

Rhapsodic man may also be a historical figure or personality local to only the area near the burial site–not necessarily known on a national/famous level–like a Gershwin.  May be the reason for being stuck on this with regard to research.  Just a thought.

Scrappy929

IMHO, it is not necessary to buy the book. Especially at the ridiculous prices out there for an original copy. If you could find an original at a used bookstore somewhere, I would definitely grab it. I would stay as far away from a reproduction as possible. You can find everything needed in these forums and a few other places online. Below is a link to most of the important pages from the book. It was stated before that anything in the book after the verses, offer no additional clues. There may be clues in the pages preceding the images / verses. Others may be able to speak to that point.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45degreessa/
Also checkout the thread “Clues in the Book.” Good information there and also pages from the Japanese edition on page 15 of that thread.

While Preiss is quoted saying that there aren’t any clues in the latter half of the book (does anyone have on the top of their head where that quote appears?), there are at least a few interesting things that do appear there… like locomotive 982 from the Hermann Parkin Houston, and the intriguing photo of Monte Irvin in an SF Giants uniform posing in front of a photo of himself, Willie Mays and Don Mueller in NY Mets uniforms.

Kalessin

While Preiss is quoted saying that there aren’t any clues in the latter half of the book (does anyone have on the top of their head where that quote appears?)

He said the rest of the book was not needed… not that it wasn’t useful.
I dont remeber where the quote came from either. I’ll ask forest, he remembers everything.

burnstyle

He said the rest of the book was not needed… not that it wasn’t useful.
I dont remeber where the quote came from either. I’ll ask forest, he remembers everything.

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1126&start=45#p15955
From Egbert (Cleveland casque finder):
“5. B.Preiss was a very good poker player, and was not giving out any hints about any of the other locations. However, he did confirm my theory that the countries of origin of the faeries do connect with the sites. He also said that the pages following the verses (which make up the bulk of the book) have NO connection with the puzzles, and contain no additional clues.”

Unknown

Unknown:
but this last quote seems to put the kabosh on Rhapsodic man

Boogie–My intent is not to kabosh anything–heck, I’m not even very good at playing devil’s advocate. I’ll leave that to the professionals.  While we all hold certain theories closer to our hearts than others–I am generally in support and open to all thoughts involving this hunt.  My comment was one of commiseration and thinking about alternatives.  Sorry if it felt I was shooting down ideas.
Let’s Hunt!

Wicket

I understand

There’s also…..Rock N Roll, baby!!!
TCB, baby…..TCB.
Thank you. Thank you very much.

Mister EZ

“An easy way to remember which term to use is that gray with an “a” is for Americans and grey with an “e” is for people in England.”

How did I never notice this? Thanks, that’s cool.
Also, it sets up an easy “colour has a U for “U.S.”” joke that I’ll just tuck away in my back pocket

anus905

guys the grey giant is Gray’s Peak…it’s the mountain which is due N of NYC.
i already told you guys that, and the answer to the Harding clue…

You could not be more wrong! The location is the image. You will not see the grey giant until you are at the location.

karleen

You could not be more wrong! The location is the image. You will not see the grey giant until you are at the location.

I believe you Karleen

ohhh gotcha. simple roots tells you three things.

I know, I know…..Preiss did not have google earth however… he did have maps. I have no idea how he did it, but my guess is that he had help. He thanks a bunch of people in his book.
If you draw a line from NYC to SF it runs right thru Chicago and Cleveland. Someone may have posted this before because it is very obvious. The point is, alignments were important and there is no reason to think that he wouldn’t have put them into the verses/pictures.
If you start at Ft Hamilton HS, Brooklyn and run a line to Flushing Meadows/Corona Park, it runs right thru the Grant Statue. It also runs thru Bartel Pritchard Sq at Prospect Park. That Square has a war memorial and two big columns with lights on top. Just perfect alignment, a very pretty line.

NYCNative

You two would make an amazing couple!
I can see it now as Josh’s social worker walks him down the isle to “we are the champions” to please his wife’s obsession with Queen and his desperate need for recognition as a productive member of society.
****This message is brought to you by Abilify. When your meds clearly do not work, ask your Doctor about adding Abilify*****

First of all, mental Illness is nothing to make fun of. There are many people that have it and you would never know. It could be a friend or colleague or even family member.
What is wrong with my partial solve? What does Josh have to do with this? Who is Josh? It seems that anything I do you automatically make fun of. I had grey giant, simple roots, and Ft Hamilton HS that many people insist is part of the solve. At least I am trying.
I would be very interested to hear what your students think of you. Or do you just make fun of them behind their backs? If their parents knew what they were paying for they would ask for a refund.
All of your comments are off topic.
you need to stop harassing me.

Wicket

First of all, mental Illness is nothing to make fun of. There are many people that have it and you would never know. It could be a friend or colleague or even family member.
What is wrong with my partial solve? What does Josh have to do with this? Who is Josh? It seems that anything I do you automatically make fun of. I had grey giant, simple roots, and Ft Hamilton HS that many people insist is part of the solve. At least I am trying.
I would be very interested to hear what your students think of you. Or do you just make fun of them behind their backs? If their parents knew what they were paying for they would ask for a refund.
All of your comments are off topic.
you need to stop harassing me.

All my students
Why are you assuming I am a grade school teacher?
And yes mental illness is not funny, that is why I am sincere when i call it like I see it.

Are you qualified to diagnose mental illness over the Internet on a forum where you don’t even know peoples’ real names? Just because you can call it as you see it doesn’t make it so.
I think you said you taught at a college. I am not sure why “students” is funny. I did not think that you taught at a grade school.
Once again this is off topic. Why don’t you propose a solution? Even though you are an inelegant somebody, I would still be interested in your opinion today as to where the casque is.

Wicket

Are you qualified to diagnose mental illness over the Internet on a forum where you don’t even know peoples’ real names? Just because you can call it as you see it doesn’t make it so.
I think you said you taught at a college. I am not sure why “students” is funny. I did not think that you taught at a grade school.
Once again this is off topic. Why don’t you propose a solution? Even though you are an inelegant somebody, I would still be interested in your opinion today as to where the casque is.

If you was not so consumed at proving your far fetched theories, you could easily look up my post and where I think the casque is and the possible solutions and clues I think might be valid.
Students is funny because at no point that I claim to be a college professor. You do not seem to be to good with reading details.
And yes I am qualified to read peoples posts, get a sense of their attitudes and perspective, and give a rough estimate of what their mental status is. I do not see how learning their real name has anything to do with it. But you are correct, just because I say it, doesn’t make it so. What makes it so is the evidence in your thought process and how defensive you get.
Several people have told you that you are way off the mark with your methods, and have even asked that you post else where since your method of solving anything seems to be off topic in itself. of course your response is, “then don’t read it”, as you take over the thread with multiple posts about dead rock stars mentioned nowhere in the book.
When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail to you. But since you are so well informed about the work done and the theories made…can you name some of the places where searchers suspect the box is and why?

i am josh, he (and his alter ego and/or buddy Mister_EZ) are just trolls. they have no idea about anything…im the only one who knows whats going on. wheres your solve wicket?

youd have seen my solution for ny if they didnt scrub everything i write…lol…
ive solved all the treasure hunts cept chicago which i didnt work on yet.

anus905

i am josh, he (and his alter ego and/or buddy Mister_EZ) are just trolls. they have no idea about anything…im the only one who knows whats going on. wheres your solve wicket?

Case and point

anus905

i am josh, he (and his alter ego and/or buddy Mister_EZ) are just trolls. they have no idea about anything…im the only one who knows whats going on. wheres your solve wicket?

I do not do social media or anything like this, but I see what they mean by trolls. I thought my Jesse Root Grant was a good solve for simple roots. I also thought that the 61 foot statue of George Washington was good for grey giant. I also think that my alignment idea isn’t too far fetched.
By no means do I think my ideas are the only solve. Actually, I am even open to the idea of a second casque in NY. I thought the forum was for ideas, right or wrong.

Wicket

I do not do social media or anything like this, but I see what they mean by trolls. I thought my Jesse Root Grant was a good solve for simple roots. I also thought that the 61 foot statue of George Washington was good for grey giant. I also think that my alignment idea isn’t too far fetched.
By no means do I think my ideas are the only solve. Actually, I am even open to the idea of a second casque in NY. I thought the forum was for ideas, right or wrong.

Ideas yes. But when you try to reinvent the wheel trying to make your ideas valid, it all goes to shit.

here is the grey giant answer:
the # for this puzzle is 11, november, 11am
grey giant = Gray Peak in the Adirondack mountains.
because the tilt of the earth has the north slighted tilted toward the sun, at midday we have shadows that are short and almost due south (in this case also ever so slightly west, as its 11)
this is geolocating us in NYC.
as was previously explained to the dense mf, its gray (proper name, english spelling) vs grey (explanation of colour/stone, american spelling)
https://www.google.ca/maps/dir/New+York … 114427!3e2

clue one tells us that the shadow will act as a directional pointer, and we know we will be looking for a shadow at 11am (because 11pm its night and there are no shadows, so it is eliminated by process of elimination). it only gets context when combined with clue two, which sends you to Gray Peak.

You two would make an amazing couple!
I can see it now as Josh’s social worker walks him down the isle to “we are the champions” to please his wife’s obsession with Queen and his desperate need for recognition as a productive member of society.
****This message is brought to you by Abilify. When your meds clearly do not work, ask your Doctor about adding Abilify*****

I am not reinventing the wheel. I did a search of the forum for these ideas and came up with squat.

Maybe I read something into what you said and thought you taught. Mea culpa. You suck at reading details too. My post that you are laughing at was completely different than what I was posting and you never noticed. You are just a waste of time.
BTW, I carry a big hammer for those nails.

anus905

i am josh, he (and his alter ego and/or buddy Mister_EZ) are just trolls. they have no idea about anything…im the only one who knows whats going on. wheres your solve wicket?

Hey Josh! Happy Passover, Easter, and April Fools!

Wicket

Maybe I read something into what you said and thought you taught. Mea culpa. You suck at reading details too. My post that you are laughing at was completely different than what I was posting and you never noticed. You are just a waste of time.
BTW, I carry a big hammer for those nails.

I have laughed at all your posts, so you have to be more specific. and when you make a claim saying there are two casques in NYC, that is exactly the type of thing I am referring to when I say you are trying to reinvent the wheel. I am a waste of time for you, since I do not spit random theories that make no sense at all! Go listen to random albums on spotify for more clues! You are sooooo close to absolute delusion with a very skewed logical stand point. Buena Suerte!!

wicket just ignore him hes a douche…look at his posts…98% of them (literally) are him shit talking (mostly me)…hes just a lonely hurtsack with no life, angry at the world cause his life is shit and he sucks at solving puzzles. hes literally never contributed ANYTHING here whatsoever…then acts like he is of a class that has any right to ban me…cause i solved them and they didnt. hes a sad little peon. a nobody. that will never amount to anything. i wouldnt worry too much about it.
the roots clue you talked about very well may lead to a statue at some point in the larger puzzle, but it doesnt relate to the treasure hunt part of it.

atdreamer2112

Hey Josh! Happy Passover, Easter, and April Fools!

And yet…I don’t troll…
Gray is the American version.
Grey is the English version.
https://www.englishgrammar.org/gray-vs-grey/
“An easy way to remember which term to use is that gray with an “a” is for Americans and grey with an “e” is for people in England.”

anus905

the roots clue you talked about very well may lead to a statue at some point in the larger puzzle, but it doesnt relate to the treasure hunt part of it.

What is the larger puzzle?

He thinks I banned him!

there is more to the puzzle than JUST the treasure hunt wicket.

anus905

there is more to the puzzle than JUST the treasure hunt wicket.

I understand

What time on Tuesday? I might be able to meet you there.

I’m going to head out around 10am.  That should get me there at….. you guessed it!!
11:00 AM.

Yeah, maybe I can meet you too….oh wait, no I can’t, I’m still in NM
Good luck guys!

The bottom of the plaque reads April 12, 2016. Preiss’ time machine has been discussed in the past.
Obviously the content is plenty old enough and relatable.

Siskel

For those interested, a synopsis of my recent trip to New York with James Renner:
Met up with James and his film crew AND Byron’s two daughters. Lovely girls and they were THRILLED to be part of the search. Was so interesting to see it through their eyes. Showed them all the Roman Orthodox Church in Brooklyn across from McCarren Park and got some ooohs and ahhs. Went next to Prospect Park, after first stopping at the house where Byron was born (near the park!!). After traveling from one end to the other and ending in Concert Grove (aka Rhapsodic Man’s soil) I can confidently say that the treasure is NOT buried there. The girls were excited at the “prospect” (excuse the pun) and felt confident their dad would have buried a casque in the borough of his birth. And there were even some high hopes – like when we were looking at a map in the park and saw a refernce to a small man made island just north of Concert Grove called Musical Bear Island (The Isle of B???). And then when we found a large gazeebo that looked like it might have housed a carousel (cars abound) many years back and, after jumping over the do not enter fences to do a more thorough investigation, we saw not only the same color scheme in the inside roof (pale yellow, maroon and blue) but more amazing, there is a stain glass panel at the very center that even had some small circlular baubles in different spots that sort of resembled the color blind panels, albeit in small doses. After some initial goosebumps, we traversed that Concert Grove area looking for a V and walked 22 steps “or Moore” (towards the bust of composer Moore) in an area near busts of Mozart and Beethoven, both of whom have been referenced in previous prose, hoping we might find a suitable spot for digging. But alas, we all came to the conclusion that there is simply no way that the casque is buried in Prospect Park. And that was after exploring the large arch (grey giant?) adjacent to the Brooklyn Public Library (that was adorned with gold images including an indian and Moby Dick — Melville, him of Hard Words?). Bottom line is that this entire location seemed like a stretch at best and there was NEVER that “A-Ha” moment that I experienced so clearly in Cleveland when Egbert and I discovered the treasure in the Greek Cultural Gardens 10 years ago.
From there we headed to Downtown Manhattan and explored the Battery Park area. Lots of clues to match up to the prose – the fact that the Fraunces Tavern sign mentions the West Indies native being a block from Mellvile’s birth plaque (“A man thinks that by mouthing Hard Words he understands hard things”) and standing at the very end of Broadway and looking north up that long “aisle”/isle of B (Broadway) the only structure visible in the distance is CLEARLY the Chrysler building, perfectly framed by the aisle of B itself (that dreaded Eagle gargoyle?) Whirring sounds from the nearby Staten Island Ferry and the nearby helliport, and clear sight lines for both Lady Liberty and Ellis Island (though not the docking area that appears to be referenced outlined in red in the illustration) and also some nice sculptures above the Battery Tunnel that show both the archway for the Verrazano Bridge and (in a separate panel) Peter Minuet buying Manhattan from the Indians (for the glass baubles?) Still, despite some better clues all around, the Battery Park area just did not feel right. Too spread out with no one place that seemed right.
We did NOT get to explore the area at the base of the Verrezano (JPJ Park and Ft. Hamilton) which remains a popular theory for some. We also did not get to visit Roosevelt Island, a theory that I feel is quite valid (formerly Blackwell’s Island and if standing at the Southern tip in the park area, you can gaze north to the Isle of B (Blackwell). From there, you can hear the whirring sound of the overhead Roosevelt Island Tramcar, opened in the late 1970s and according to his daughters, they lived right there, and their dad loved taking them on that tramcar to Roosevelt Island. It also stands in the shadow of a Grey Giant (the UN Building that looks like the grey monlith in the image) and has a remarkable view of the Chrylser building (the eagle). But I digress …
So, after traversing a LOT of ground and re-exploring some old theories with some new friends, the consensus is that while Byron MUST have buried a casque in his hometown area of Brooklyn or lower Manhattan, it is NOT at Prospect Park and probably not at Battery Park. Again, JPJ Park remains in the hunt, assuming the prose can really be tied in, and Roosevelt island (where Dickens visited — him of Hard [Times] Words in Three original Vols. — to write about the Lunatic Assylum there) remains a personal theory of some value, Image 12 and NY as a whole remains one heck of a mystery. When comparing Cleveland to Chicago, both images contained specific images that could be seen at the site location and the prose contained specific words or imagery that could also be seen at the exact spot, giving you the X marks the spot undeniable feeling. Unfortunately, that feeling did not exist at any of the locals we had a chance to visit, leaving us to feel more like we were trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. The search, and the documentary, continues …

So I gotta necro this because I think I might have a break in the case. Andy Behrens was tunneling Roosevelt island, but gave up because he couldn’t find something about Dickens, even though Dickens definitely visited there. Naturally, I searched both this thread and the image 12 thread and did not see the plaque mentioned.
Thanks to this site, I found a plaque about dickens, and it contains something special:
http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WMZW … ew_York_NY
Not only does it mention Dickens, but it says he “speaks of” the place, as in “the natives still speak of him of hard word of 3 vols.”
Thanks to this waymarking site, I think we might be able to find signs about an Indies native- maybe hamilton, maybe not, in which case, wow. The library that contains this plaque opened in 1976. Dunno when the plaque was put up.

In summer
you’ll often hear a whirring sound
Two possibilities here.  Coney Island is about a mile away.  The Amusement Park has whirring sounds. Only open in the spring through summer. The other is the MTA rail yard just north of Fort Hamilton.  Lots of whirring there, only the whirring goes on through the winter.  Just what is “whirring”?

Some time ago “unknown_user” posted what may be the best theories yet for this verse. The Verrazano-Narrows Bridge is situated such that Bedloe’s Island (
isle of B
?) is visible. “Narrows” may be a reference to the
slender path
. He goes on to say that
rhapsodic man’s soil
may refer to Gershwin Park in Brooklyn. Only problem is, Gershwin Park is very far away from the bridge (bounded by Stanley Ave., Linden Blvd., Van Siclen Ave., and Vermont St.). Can this be taken further?

Uh Oh!  Found another connection to a rhapsodic man.  Longfellow!  Look at his middle name and then look at the fort on the Staten Island side of the Verrazano…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Wadsworth_Longfellow
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls= … tnG=Search

Great catch!
it keeps the bridge, is south of Bedlows island. fits the verse.
and that end of the bridge has a lot more trees and wild areas for hiding things…

Although the sign
Nearby
Speaks of Indies native
The natives still speak
Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.
In 1913, ground was broken by President William Howard Taft for a proposed National American Indian Memorial that was to be built on the site of Fort Tompkins. The monument was to include a 165-foot tall statue of an American Indian on the bluff overlooking the Narrows, but difficulties in fundraising and the advent of World War I precluded fruition of the plan.

jayheedan1

…maybe it was a breed of chicken? Or a famous chicken like foghorn leghorn? Or something like a name like Marco Polo (Pollo)?

…yeah, or Pyncheon / Pynchon, or chicken / Coward…

Or the riddle “Why did the chicken cross the road” which originated in the Knickerbocker magazine link I gave in the “Clues in the Book” post. Is it someone who left? Is it something across the street?

Spiritr

ok I’m gonna be late for work but I’ll finish this one
of him of 3 vols:
From this line on-
the biggest question he asked and Byron told him…. riddle
it’s either like a riddle or as a riddle. Let me look into it more, and…
use the word “chicken” to figure out who he is/or use this riddle “chicken” to get in touch with this person.

Google translated it this way:
Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols From this one line. I guess that it is about an author. Mr. Preiss answered with a riddle to my question that someone would be a big problem. Play with the word to get to this person The start was chicken.
My thoughts:
It seems it may not necessarily be an author, just the translator “guesses” it was. Or did he know it was? In this context did he literally mean “chicken” or could be any land bird that tastes so delicious in those 11 secret spices? Also maybe it was a breed of chicken? Or a famous chicken like foghorn leghorn? Or something like a name like Marco Polo (Pollo)?
This Verse line drives me crazy.

not at all, the craziest part is I’ve given you the one and only answer yet you still drive yourself into dead corners….

Unknown

Unknown:
“Why did the chicken cross the road”

Why did the chicken cross the road? Because he wasn’t…chicken.
I wonder if that’s funny in Japanese?

Unknown

Unknown:
the craziest part is I’ve given you the one and only answer yet you still drive yourself into dead corners….

We’re stubborn that way.

i know the answer to both uses of him and Hard words in 3 Vols. and i dont know how chicken applies XD…
i even have a confirmation clue to reinforce it as correct.

Euhirudinea

Why did the chicken cross the road? Because he wasn’t…chicken.
I wonder if that’s funny in Japanese?

Ren, I say we travel to Japan and find out!

slappybuns

so it goes over the bridge…….does the belt parkway go under the bridge? i can’t tell.

directly under it.  The Belt Parkway runs from a few miles north of the Verrazano, then under it, and up to the Van Wyk Exspessway at JFK Airport.
AP’s got me thinking of
Hard word
.  Steel, wood, rock, stone, diamond….
http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/hard
Could not find anything from FB’s post.

“in summer you’ll often hear a whirring sound” makes me think of fans, like baseball fans, or i guess any kind of sport fans, or  skating, hockey, bicycles..
boogieman, i read this:
“Interstate 278 runs from U.S. Route 1/9 near Elizabeth, New Jersey over the Goethals Bridge, through Staten Island,” OVER “the Verrazano Narrows Bridge and through Brooklyn and Queens, and across the Triborough Bridge into the Bronx to end at I-95 at the Bruckner Interchange. “
so it goes over the bridge…….does the belt parkway go under the bridge? i can’t tell.
three, triple

makes me think of cicadas

“in the shadow”  …….if this is a road, could mean east, west north or south, right? (wherever shadows fall)
then “grey giant”  ……liberty street
or umm, time of day, times square?

thank you boogieman, you cleared up the “narrows” for me!

The three forgotten giant checker boards that use galvanized pipe style checker pieces has an appealing quality considering a pipe might be thought of as a root in the soil.  Do those look like “giant grey” tiles?
As it was 30 years ago, it wouldn’t know if those exact pieces were getting any action, but the quote from the article (see image9 thread) made it sound like they had been requested sometime around 27 years ago.  (sounds like a strange number to make up…I wonder if there is a sign out sheet for the key to the closet that shows the date last checked out like a library book…).

google earth now shows that the entire area has been resurfaced or is in the process of. Very disappointed.

Kato

So I believe that this area is worth investigating and examining in our quest for the casque.

animal painter

In summer
You’ll often hear a whirring sound
(There is a “George Washington Bridge Heliport”)

animal painter

But where is the isle of B?
AP

I would have to agree with you Kato….although, I am really beginning to hate NYC since there are sooooooooooooooooooo many parks that fit the bill
…or even the constant whirring of pedals all along the bike paths.
There has to be some sort of ‘island’ with a ‘B’ name around there…even the kiosk idea holds water

I have to stress this one more time since we may be looking at the GWBridge.  No ordinary hair looks like this.

The gray giant could be Tower 2 only figuratively, not literally. The WTC’s shadow could not have fallen on the areas we’ve been considering since they were almost due north of those areas.

boogieman, you wanted to go west instead of east………someone said the picture was a mirror image, that could let you go west.
how long has the gazebo been there?
if you all have given up on jpj park…
i was thinking more about coney island
it looks like a cyclone in the water
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclone
lots of rides (cars)
here’s a clock at coney island, 5th picture down
http://history.amusement-parks.com/insi … echase.htm
i also read there is a B and V line or something like that
this picture of dante’s inferno reminded me of the cobblestones in the pic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coney_Isla … amusements
smoko the human volcano (vol)
http://erikweems.com/comic_atomic/_large_smoko_800.html
the shape of the beach,(under her left arm in the picture)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coney_Island
but this picture reminded me of the shape of the lady in our picture
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= … l%26sa%3DN

also wanted to mention joseph heller–Catch 22–born on coney island–but i couldn’t find anything like a plaque or monument dedicated to him. he also wrote–Now and Thenn-Ffrom Coney Island To Here and Closing Time
crazy research huh, lol

Very interesting observations SB.  I had tried to get Coney Island in there for a long time.  That is where the whirring sound fits the best.  One thing that bit me about your post was the Dante’s Inferno.  Not just the look of it, that is a nice find, but Dante himself.  Back before I got into this hunt I stumbled on my friend Keylime reading
Divine Comedy
, by Dante.  When I asked him “why”, because it is such a hard read,  he showed me image12.  He said the lady looked like an angel with lady liberty’s face, hovering over the water and that there are two figures looking up at her and laughing.
The Divine Comedy
.  That’s what got me started here, but I still refused to read that book.  lol  He read that book 6 times.  Here are the figures:
edit;  found this on a search:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qGMszVzM6Pc& … ed&search=

I found the map of Prospect Park interesting. There is a Washington St. on the map and a picture of George Washington in the woman’s dress.
If the casque is buried on Coney Island, we’ll need to find it very soon before they knock it down (if they haven’t already)  🙁

boogieman,
i’m like keylime when it comes to a book i love, but i’ve never read dante. (except bits and pieces) funny that two different parts of the picture made us both think of it.
i’ve just started this hunt, and trying to read each verse and all the posts so that i can be familiar with them. i don’t know anything about new york.  could the astrolabe be the grey giant? maybe you start the verse from inside coney island. sounds like a great place to spend the day anyway, lol
i did like the cobblestones and the history of it

shseverin11, it has the botanical garden, and a library (branch)

You have to start the verse at the WTC.  In the shadow of
Tower Two (observation deck)
you see the bridge that
spans
across the Narrows Inlet, the
slender path
.  These are the lines that put you in NY.  Without them, you could wind up with any statue or any foot path in the country.
BTW, Keylime hates that book.  He was just looking for clues.  We didn’t even think about Dante’s Inferno at Coney Island.

The “grey giant” could describe a lot of buildings… or structures… or large statues.  You’d think that if BP wanted to point you to the WTC, he would have referenced the
twin
towers, or something moderately more specific.
Also, why would he point you to the twin towers, in downtown Manhattan, just to move you miles down the river to the Verrazano Narrows?  It’s nowhere in the shadow of the WTC.
The WTC could make sense — but not if you’re trying to get to JPJ park.  It would make sense if you were trying to get to Battery Park, or Trinity Church… but this interpretation doesn’t add up.

In 81′ and 82′, if you were vivsiting Manhattan, one of the things to do would be to go to the observation deck of the WTC.  Another would be to go to the crown of the Statue of Liberty.  Either way, what you would see is a large wide harbor.  From the WTC, you’d see Liberty and the Verrazano.  From the crown, you’d see the WTC to the left and the Verrazano to the right.  From the Verrazano, you can see the other two looking north.  If you are in the crown, and you are thinking poetically, like, maybe verse10 is in your hand, you would see that you were in the shadow of the grey giant (like the building of Image12, Tower Two, the only one of the two that had an obsevation deck on the roof), and you would find the arm (bridge) that extends or
spans
(a word also used for a bridge), over the part of the harbor that narrows as it moves out to sea.  This is called the Narrows Inlet, and the part that got us to NY in the first place.

Hi Karleen, have you confirmed existence of some of the characters and objects you see in the image by cross-referencing them on multiple scans from different sources to eliminate chance of scanner anomalies?
Also:
“Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.”
Diamond is a hard substance.
Diamond has 3 vowels.
Looking at the flower I see a 3 and a diamond.
“Although the sign”
Prominent sign of era perhaps with 3 diamonds i.e. Mitsubishi
Also carrots could be pun, carats of diamond.
Hard like hard drugs i.e. LSD that was mistaken for Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds. (was posted years ago)

Thanks MF, I was too lazy to check Google Earth. But I think the Lucille Ball connection should not be dismissed quickly. Afterall the posture of the woman is baseball park shaped and a ball is present at the end of her front sash of her robe.

Choice –
I like that you are finding images within the image. Feel free to watch my (many) videos about them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek-7LT8XMM4&t=1s
Search my name for the remainder.

Kato

My conclusions are these: Maybe the “Isle of B” is not an island at all, but something else, another double entendre or clever play on words describing another object near JPJ park.

Over 3 years ago, Kato listed many islands around New York City, some of them starting with “B,” and concluded:
But BP could have been referring to an actual island. One of those mentioned by Kato was
North Brother island
. This island has a couple of things going for it in its name alone. It begins with “B” and has “North” in its name, so “
Or gaze north / Toward the isle of B
” would certainly fit. In addition, there is land to its south, so one could literally gaze north
at
it, and in fact there is land all around it, so one could gaze “north” at it from all directions. This island is “In the shadow / Of the grey giant” in that it is right there by NYC, but figuratively in its shadow.
George Gershwin wrote
Rhapsody in Blue
and was born in Brooklyn.
My point: If one were looking at a map of New York City and focused on Queens, one could look “down” (south) and see Brooklyn, or “rhapsodic man’s soil.” They could look north and see
North
B
rother Island.
Forgive me if this has been brought up before. A forum search yielded only Kato’s message from 2008.

Tune, Norway — I love it!!

Bad news for important trees: There was a freak tornado in Leif Ericson Park in 2007:
http://www.brooklynparrots.com/2007/08/brooklyn-parrots-survive-devastating.html
Weirdly, there is a colony of parrots there, just like at Coit Tower in SF.

The Fortress By: Vernon Stiefel
Details: The Fortress is a stunning spine-like formation that runs east to west in the heart of the northern part of the Wonderland of Rocks. Numerous vertical, slanting, or discontinuous crack systems are found on the north face. Directly north of the Fortress is the Flying Fortress and lying west is the
Grey Giant
and the Tombstone. These formations feature excellent crack and face climbs.
Legendary climbers including Randy Leavitt, Tony Yaniro, and Mike Lechlinski established a few of the best and longest climbs in the Park on the Fortress and adjacent formations. Natural Selection (5.10d) and Weekend Warrior (5.11a) are two examples of superb crack climbs but the ultra-classic on this wall is the Catapult (5.11b).
Climbers making the relatively long trek to this area should have a comprehensive rack with stoppers and cams to 4″. Two ropes to rappel off are also necessary.
Get There: The approach to this area begins in the large parking area near Key’s Corner where the boyscout trail to
Indian Cove
exists. Head northeast on the well-marked trail for about a mile. When the trail forks, take the trail that veers northeast. After about one more mile, the trail ends in a wash that branches northeast and south.
The Atom Smasher Boulders and Timbuktu Towers lie to the northeast. Take the wash that veers in a southerly direction (trail markers have been recently established) and follow it as it meanders towards the Grey Giant. Numerous boulders in the wash near the Grey Giant require boulder hopping and tunnelling.
The best approach to The Fortress from the base of the Grey Giant is to remain north of the Grey Giant and head east for a notch between the Grey Giant and Flying Fortress. This entails some time consuming scrambling and boulder hopping. Once the notch is reached, the serene Fortress Valley lies before you.
Maybe

The general shape of the park reminds me of the image 12 ‘Tiffany’ cornerpiece.
A V…
There’s a skate park, which would be great for whirring sounds except that it’s too recent, so the layout’s probably changed a bit.
http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_about/pa … pt_01.html
OHP then.
OHP now.

why do you think the line isn’t finished between the wings?…..and the extra straight line under the oval……..that all bothers me
this article talks about the 69th point pier…..”embarkation for the ferry to st. george on staten island”
st. george! who slayed the dragon
http://mysummerwithmoses.tumblr.com/pos … -head-park

Dunno, I think JJP put a lot of this stuff in just to annoy people.

that word embark…………hehe………..”to get on board a vehicle for transportation………lol
“The Scandinavian East Coast Museum will be hosting its
annual
Viking Fest at Bliss/Owl’s head Park on 68th Street and Colonial Road from noon to 5:00. Featuring “The Norseman” a half size replica of a Viking ship, two re-enactment groups, fencing demonstrations, rides, Scandinavian food and crafts. Read more”
this was Bliss’s land………….couldn’t
bliss
be
rhapsodic
?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yes they both are like ecstasy!
what do you think WhiteRabbit!???
gotta go eat! bbl!
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/01/12/nyreg … 29852.html
” if you go to the parks and enter the gate located between the swing sets and the water fountains, you’ll see a bulletin board with a photo of the the mansion that stood on the ground.”
http://www.brooklyneagle.com/categories … 1&id=35523
this one mentions
3
rd Connecticutt
Vol
unteers….
http://www.usgennet.org/family/bliss/bios/ny/eli.htm

okay guys, i really believe this verse and image  is for scandinavia..here’s why:
in “The Passage to the New World”  at front of book:
“1st t set foot…Ruddy Alf, saga (leif ericson), copper haired sea trolls of
nortland
, he who
bragged .
…(speak).often
sang
…….left scandia to brave alone the
Hellhounds
(guard the dead…….cemetery?)……..left a single print from his
reindee
rhide boots….on the beach, and he who came back to
harp
(speak) on it. (this could be l
eif ericson drive
or the park)
“down ice
green
fjords of scandinavian and away to the land of the eagle, then sailed the
elle
folk (
L)
..in their
Long
ships(long island)….squat, squinting
Wood
(green wood cemetery)..and in the
bows
………
faces set
to the cold, salt air (
sunset park
)……….the elves themselves,
yellow
hair streaming in the wind (yellow hook, bayridge area)….blue-gray eyes set on the far horizon (new york yankees? and sunset park)………..of all the folks of
Jotunheim
(home of the giants, new york giants)………some stayed behind and they turned into
wooden playthings for the children
(park)”
wondering if we couldn’t take the body of the bird and make it an
owl f
rom image 12 (
yellow
block) and her
head
(
yellow
block)………
owl’s head park
on leif ericson’s drive, and the feet of the bird could be a “hook”…………….
yellow
hair streaming in the wind………….just use the yellow blocks from the image
http://www.nycgovparks.org/parks/OwlsHe … lights/151
or we go from there straight to lie
v
ericson park……..reindeer
http://www.coroflot.com/jmslinky/JS-Por … -Images/32
i did like Rudolph, for the reindeer, but he wasn’t there in time
http://www.coroflot.com/jmslinky/JS-Por … -Images/29

since it mentions “yellow”  ………just use the yellow blocks in the image……..

slappybuns

okay guys, i really believe this verse and image is for scandinavia..owl’s head park on leif ericson’s drive

…yep, was taking another look at Owl’s Head Park the other day. This still seems a plausible location. It’s 22 blocks (east steps) from one end of Narrows Ave at Shore Rd Park (90th St) to the other end at Owl’s Head Park (68th St).
(The Viking connection is confusing though…Leif Ericson looks tempting, but the Scandinavians are distinct from the Russians in the intro.)
A dozen paintings share the clues
Yet Fairy secrets
Come in twos
My general approach to this book at the moment is that clues to the locations are scattered throughout the verses and images, though you need a specific pair to tie it down. So for instance, I would think: “OK, we’ve got clues for Brooklyn, what image and verse could pinpoint a casque there?”
“You need only decipher the clues in any pair to learn the location of a treasure casque.”
Yep, but gimmee a break – they’re highly interconnected. A pair may contain
sufficient
clues, but not necessarily the
only
clues.
Eg, Owl’s Head Park railings:
Image 6 (yeah, I just don’t care  ;))
Owl, Head, Horse-on-a-stick

that’s pretty kool about 22 blocks WhiteRabbit
all of it ‘s confusing me
……but it does say (about the russians) the russian came from the east and emigrated west and it mentioned “rose up”  (the rose in image 1 ) , “emigrated west”, and “across” (a cross? (mont royal), (crossover drive, GGP?), and wide “steppes” and far “marches” (parade ground?), fertile plains (flatbush?)
and also, the line that goes to russia on the map on page 10,
does
go  through scandia………
anyway, it’s  just another way to look at it
all that yellow stuff makes ya wonder

Fox, luv your enthusiasm.   :app)  Because of the lack of Image (12) evidence, I can see why their aren’t too many people enthused about it.
But we have the
Verrazano
itself, which is the arch that contains the entire image within.  We have the
Twin Tower
from which you can find the bridge
extending
over the
Narrows
path, er ,
slender path
.  We have
Lady Liberty
( Isle of Bedloe) which is in line with the x spot and the gazebo when you
gaze north
.  BTW, in 81′, the crown was open to the public in the Statue of Liberty, from there, the two biggest things you would see are the Twin Towers and the Verrazano Bridge.  There are domed churches throught the area, just not at the bridge.  But we do have an eagle, which is from Trohn’s pic of the Fort Hamilton symbol.  Do you still have that Trohn?  There are a lot of things in Image12 that have slowed me down and confused us a little.  But still, the Verse fits pretty good.  We really didn’t have to force anything here.  Fits like a glove.  Ringo and anyone else, let’s pick a weekend in April and give it a shot…….
Again,
the
slender path, and not
a
slender path makes it the
Narrows Inlet
.
Oh yeah, here’s a pick of a clock tower on the Fort Hamilton side of the bridge.
http://www.brownstoner.com/fnydome85f.jpg

Boogie:
I’ld prefer if we could try to make it a Sunday.  I always have Sunday and Monday off which would give me a day of rest after getting all dirty digging it up.  If a Sunday can work for you I’ld like to shoot for one of the last two weekends.  I haven’t figured out when I’m going to try to go scout out Boston with my camera I’m trying to coordinate to get a friend along and although I’m hoping for the end of March that might end up being the begining of April.
As I haven’t followed this thread too closely I’m going to go back and read this more thourghly so I can understand your thought process.  I do really like your “map” you posted the other day.  It sounds like you know what you’re doing.  And even if you’re wrong I’ll be a nice opportunity to see your thoughts first hand from the location you picked and see what we can learn from the experience.  Although I certainly hope you’re right.  Either way I’m looking forward to the dig.
Here’s to hoping we find that third one!
–Ringo

Him of Hard word in 3 vol.
https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/Book … 1-_-title6

erexere

Him of Hard word in 3 vol.
https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/Book … 1-_-title6

Oooooh…nice find. I’m wondering why “Hard” has the “H” capitalized???? Some writers use random capitalization, like Emily Dickenson. Thoughts?

The best answer imho is that Hard is a person’s name. Harding would work, but no proof has been had to seriously contest the greatness that is Legeater.

Here’s a thought…
Does the part of the verse that says :
The natives still speak
Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.
mean that we have to see a sign with
that man’s name on it…or does it mean that
“him of Hard word” was famous and just lived in Brooklyn
using this only as a confirmer?
Woodrow Wilson (
Woody
) Guthrie (hard word)
lived in Coney Island, Brooklyn…(where his son Arlo was born.)
In fact, he died in Brooklyn in 1967…when BP would have
been a teenager.
He recorded
three volumes
of songs “Songs to Grow On”…?
or it could be
three
biographies.

Woody only made one recording: Dust Bowl Ballads. He made it in 1940. Anything else recorded with his voice was made after his death in 1967 and there were far more than 3..

here’s a PDF I made for Verse 10 ,
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Yn7UioZu-4Myav3TK7lC9w0GnpCTwOze
cheers

Unknown

Unknown:
“Then, Master,” said Bucklaw, “though I should be sorry to offer it to a man of your quality, if you will not justify your incivility, or retract it, or name a place of meeting, you must here undergo the hard word and the hard blow.”

Unknown

Unknown:
“He notes it as a reproach that ‘it is common in these days that mothers, even fathers, tremble lest a hard word, let alone a hard blow, should fall on their children,’ and remarks, ‘they seem to hold, though it is neither from God’s Word nor from their own experience, that they got the lesson, that correction and cruelty are synonymous.’ We may observe that these sentences seem to assume that ‘hard words’ and ‘hard blows’ are synonymous with ‘correction,’ which, in our opinion, is neither in accordance with ‘God’s Word,’ nor with general experience.”

Returning to the Sir Walter Scott theory for “hard word,” I find this very interesting! In searching for more, I found that his novel “The Bride of Lammermoor” contains the following passage in the context of a heated exchange followed immediately by a sword duel. The gauntlet is thrown:
What a curious turn of phrase. I looked for what it meant, and found that it’s a reference to disciplining unruly children. Basically, yelling and hitting them to teach them a lesson. From an 1876 book review in “The Literary World”:

Seem to remember I used to harp on about this “V” with its steps. Dunno how many there are. I’ve circled “Abbotsford”.

…well, I can dream…
Here they are from above…

LOL.  We have been playing this game for years and years.
Happy New Year!

Boogie,
What do you think of this idea?
quoting from verse 10…
Take twice as many east steps as the hour
Or more
If you consider each city block as a “step”,
and “twice as many as the hour”  could mean 60 minutes in an hour x 2 = 120
“or more” can mean a few more than 120….
On the North shore of Queens, just below
the Bronx, are two parks…College Point Shore Front Park at about 115th St,
and Powell’s Cove Park at 130th St. (That is a few more than 120)
They are near Laguardia Airport.
If you are standing at either of these parks gazing North, you will be looking at
the “isle of B” (the Bronx).
Looking at Powell’s Cove Park, you see a very obvious “V” formed by
the sidewalk around its perimeter.
From the middle of one branch
Of the v
Take the branch of the “V” which is closest to the North shore.
and walk halfway  as shown by the “X” on the photo.
Look down
And see simple roots
In rhapsodic man’s soil
Who knows what simple roots were there 31 years ago?
The trees could have been saplings…or there could be simple grass.
It could be sedge grass growing on the rocky beach.
Or gaze north
Toward the isle of B.
Look North to see the island which is also home to the Bronx.

Unknown

Unknown:
f you are standing at either of these parks gazing North, you will be looking at
the “isle of B” (the Bronx).

You’re willing to allow the Bronx to be an “isle” but you’re not willing to allow hard words for Hard word?  See, this is where you lose me on this theory.

Unknown

Unknown:
I want to reiterate this checker board discovery as applied to the line “look down and see simple roots”.

The rest of the verse is “In rhapsodic man’s soil”
Roots in soil
—if he meant checkers or chess by that I will EAT THIS BOOK.

I should’ve said the pic of those pieces in action was from a much older date.  Looks around late 1920’s.
The article I read said the last time a person checked the pieces out from the park storage was 27 years ago.  Add a few more years to account for the date of the article.  It’s conceivable that BP actually saw those pieces being used.
No, I’m not a teacher.  I’m just a guy with a little ladder.
Edit-  btw, i want to put emphasis on the dual nature of the word choice of ‘simple roots’.  I’ve just mentioned the type off root that is square as applied to the simple game of checkers.  The second understanding that relates well is that these particular pieces were made out of repurposed irrigation pipe, which serves the same function as actual plant roots which transport water through the ground.  This is either a very big coincidence or BP was really proud of this little connection…”simple roots”…ah, you kidder
Shecrab, you seem to have a flair for the rhapsodic as well.  Is it at all interesting to you that the etymology of the word ‘mayor’ means “greater or superior” which is reasonably synonomous with the word ‘giant’ and the coincidental fact that the amphitheater of this park, Malkin, is the name of the Mayor of 1920’s Grey Point?  It serves as a logical associaion to “grey giant”.  The Malkn Theater is a sizable structure and sunlight does shine upon it, therefore it can cast a shadow.  Does it grab your attention that the Harding Memorial is right next to this building?

This statue greeting those who enter the park area containing the checkerboard looks rhapsodic to me,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/elsbro/2375094245/

Isle of B.
North of Stanley Park is the Burrard Inlet, named after an Admiral. Of the Royal Navy.  He is from the South East part of England.  I’m not that familiar with the geography of England, but I know the Isle of Wight is in southeast England.  I’m just pputting this out there.  Its not the slckest reasoning, but if Burrard was actually born or represented the Isle of Wight then we would have a consistent logic to see Burrard Inlet as “Burrard of the Isle (of Wight) Inlet”.  I’ll have to dig more for these facts.

If only BP had written “Look down and see simple rooks…”

erexere

This giant ground inlay checker board includes checker playing pieces.  30 years ago was practically the last time someone used those actual pieces!

Please take your seats students.
2012-30=1982
If I remember correctly, I DID NOT dress that way in high school

Ah, southeast England. Rooks. Now you’re talking my language. Filmed this just the other day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0YagcRq1G0

cw0909

a blog about the jpj ,with pics

(…yeah, I started thinking about the JPJ area, then realised that boogieman & co looked at it pretty closely back in 2007…)

cw0909,
Great coverage of the JPJ Park!
I agree that JPJ park is more “in the shadow of the grey giant”.
It has wonderful older trees and a lot of walkways.
The only sure way to tell is to be there in person.
AP

i love how ya’ll do the map pics!
cw can you get a better picture of this statue at the church?
http://www.saintjohns1834.org/
this guy kindof looks like the guy in image 9………:/
http://theweblicist.com/wordpress/2006/ … ay-statue/
i don’t mean to go back and forth……

In the shadow
A synonym for shadow is ‘dog’, to track or pursue.  I cant help but wonder if we’re playing the flip the letters game DOG = GOD.  Not a very strong idea, but I just want to toss it in the mix anyways.
Perhaps “In the pursuit” is the intention of this line.  The indirect synonym of dog might be a supporter of the idea that the use of the word “speak” as synonymous for ‘bark’.
Another synonym related too shadow is ‘umbrage’, which means to take offense or to be in the shade cast by trees.  I like the offense or insult version as it bolsters the sense that Hard word might relate to the “cursed by the gods” idea.  Siwash rock certainly represents that case having a plaque historical marker even saying so.  I have to check back on the name of the god, it starts with the letter ‘Q’ which could possibly be worked into how the legeater is presented in the square, like a Q with the small line segment breaking a circle but a square instead.  Another note about Siwash Rock, the word ‘siwash’ (v.tr) means to camp outdoors using only natural shelter.  Shelter such as the cover of trees relates to umbrage, thus ‘shadow’ is one of the keenest choice of words imaginable if Siwash Rock was Preiss’ object.
The first two lines of every verse I think act as the first stepping stone for each path.
Of the grey giant
could be a “Canada’s vastness above (north) casting a shadow on America”.  Its a broad stroke in that sense but possibly carefully constructed to fit a more specific context at the same time.

Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.
Three volumes could refer to any three solid objects having mass and volume.  The legend reviewed by Pauline Johnston describes the transformation of of a young chief into Siwash Rock but also says his wife and newborn child join him in the immortalization of becoming monuments in stone.  Chief + Mother + Child = 3 volumes.

I think FB’s right – the shape of P12 (arch and all) is very similar to the arched hole in bridge’s tower.

http://www.brooklynpaper.com/html/cyclo … plays.html
(no need to read whole article)
They are. Cyclone first baseman Jim Burt is lifting those weights. There is also a whirring sound. It’s pitcher Celso Rondon peddling on the stationary bicycle.
Just researching all things Brooklyn and other things and happenned on this article.  I found it interesting that someone who writes for a living uses “whirring” sound to describe a bicycle, albeit a stationary one.
Another add on.  What color is the Verrazano?  Not grey.  Blue like image12?  And the twin tower.  Grey.  Like in image12?
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1234235 … 6713siqKEq
Notice in the link above, the way the bridge
branches
off when you get into Brooklyn?
For those of you not convinced, use the link below and read the verse.  Place your cursor on a point of interest.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/88058079@N00/284932846/

Do you think BP would have said something after 9/11 if a twin tower was in the pic?  I don’t know.

boogie, in one of those links the suspension tower reminded me of both the rectangular shape in the window of P12 and the overall shape of the frame of P12. Coincidence?

forest_blight

boogie, in one of those links the suspension tower reminded me of both the rectangular shape in the window of P12 and the overall shape of the frame of P12. Coincidence?

I see it FB.  But the shape in the window of pic12 doesn’t have a big hole in it, or better yet, you cannot see through it.  But the suspension tower for the bridge, you can drive through it, and see through it…..  It’s hard to make this point, but, you can see through it much like our Lady in pic12 can.  Which confirms to me that the
arch
is the frame and the
rectangle in the window
of pic12 is a twin tower.  And the Statue of Liberty is in the shadow.  BP wanted us there I’m sure.  The thing I take from the link with the view of the harbor is that there was only one observation deck between the 2 towers.  One rectangle in pic12.  He wanted us there too.  Not too much to ask for your treasure hunters to do.  In the book he said, “if you have fun”  blah blah blah(don’t have my book) “you will find it”.
Jambone, see what I mean?
BTW, I think BP had given up on the hunt long before 9/11.
Hey trohn, you’re kind of local.  Dig in here!