And why is this verse specifically telling you
to get permission…
as has been the routine… we are getting in facto
permission on all the sites..
but this site holds special status(?)
Grant Park
Lake Park
Greek Park
all do not require a fee for entrance and are mostly public…
Verse 5 has a different distinction or jurisdiction.
just thoughts.

That is a very good question. Perhaps BP is being clever, and it’s a joke that can only be understood on-site?

It’s funny… I just connected that a wingless bird that cannot fly, the Moa, might have been the origin of the acronym for a no-fly zone, or military operations area (MOA).

I don’t know if I ever posted this exact pic, I like that if you look closely at the overhead view of the circle with the boulder you can see that it stands on a square platform, just like the inside of the flag has a square inside the circle.  The dimensions are also spot on in that respect.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a181/ … orbett.png
This is found shortly after taking exit 22 on historic highway 2.

shecrab

I too bristle when people pick one or two items from a verse and base an entire idea on them. That’s why I’m spending a lot of time trying to find this “only standing member”

shecrab

The way that verse 11 fits the Roanoke idea is actually pretty satisfyingly close–“white is in color,” the “man of oz” etc. etc…..all can be readily and quickly found in the area. Yet—we still haven’t found anything! Why is that? Why can’t we find something that pins it down? Maybe because it’s
deliberately close
–but not
correct!

shecrab

In P. 6—Houston–the verse fits and the picture has a BIG clue: animal heads. Animals=zoo. The number 982–the train that was in the zoo. The general location=Friendship=Texas (the state motto). Lots of other supporting things in both v. and p. –except for one thing:
In the center of four alike, small split three winged and slight”
(which is where the casque is buried) has NO interpretation that fits.
Four what? Alike how? Small AND slight? Split? three winged? No one came up with anything that fit these things.
My idea was fences. In the middle of four fences–which are items that are alike: in other words, not three fences and a wall, not two fences and a rock garden–but four things that have the same
identity
.
Small
–a short fence–maybe one panel only;
split
–a split rail fence;
three winged
–three wing-shaped panels (like a right triangle with a curved hypotenuse); and
slight
–a fence that isn’t TALL. In other words, at an intersection where four differently MADE fences are visible, but no one would consider them “alike” because they don’t look alike–yet they ARE alike–they are all——
fences
.  [NOTE: three-winged is a hyphenated adjective. In the verse, the phrase reads three winged (noun + adjective) not three-winged. I think that is deliberate. In other words it’s saying
3, winged
, not 3-winged.]

One or two items…?..  Really?  Did you just say that?  ‘Almost’ everything in V11 leads us to the Elizabethan Gardens or the Lost Colony area.
which sounds to me like you think that since we havent found it YET, it MUST be somewhere else…..but….
you go on to say
yet we havent found this one either but you keep working on different ideas for the four alike (which is exactly what needs to be done).
Using your reasoning….it must be OBVIOUS that NO casques are located in Houston, San Fran, New Orleans, Milwaukee, Charleston, etc…since we haven’t found them yet.
I am sorry but I just can’t follow that kind of logic… and I am soooooo glad that Sir Egg couldn’t either.

What is “Pull a SeaBass?” Did someone named SeaBass get tired of the negativity and give up sharing ideas here? Please tell.
To my point: I am currently exploring matching Verse 10 with SF. Seems there are actually interesting connections with Chinatown and most of the clues. This theory began for me when I considered the bus schedules and Cable Car routes in connection to what you’d see if you were a traveler set out to see some things China related to SF. The visual indicators in Image 1 can be seen from many of the stops along the way, as well as references to Sun Yat Sen and Coit Tower. I haven’t put all of the missing parts together yet, but feel free to criticise what I’ve shared so far. I usually learn something and have a great laugh to keep me interested in this search.
And of course, Have an excellent day! Adam

Oh yea. this is the wrong page. OOps

AlaskaCasqueFinder

What is “Pull a SeaBass?” Did someone named SeaBass get tired of the negativity and give up sharing ideas here? Please tell…

The opposite, seemed to hate any new ideas quickly making his/her own inferences from posted links and putting words in your mouth that weren’t true. My suggested image 12 verse 1 Manhattan thread is an example pulling a Seabass.

boogieman

The birch may be a birch afterall.  Would the other landmarks stiil be there?  What are they?  I hope the’re still there.

I still think the best candidate for the Milwaukee casque is the location where a large birch had been felled and chopped up, near the women’s tees (the red balls) of one of the golf holes.  No telling though where exactly that tree once stood, and where its southern foot might have been.

the only standing member of a forest to the south… i’m sure this has already been mentioned, but, it could be buried beneath a tree… that would be a member of a forest… and there could be a forest to the south… just thought i’d say that….
-regulus

I found the 1982 road map from AAA on eBay.  It should have the exit numbers.

What I cannot seem to find online is a comprehensive guide to US routes/interstates. Anybody know of one?

:group)
Careful when you toss those labels around.  Layers are pre-built into most things as it is.  I’m trying to maintain focus with the use of some well recognized tools.  In this toolbox I’m resorting to etymologies and homonyms and the occasional synonym.  I’m paying attention to punctuation and ambiguities that arise from structural conditions.  Its a struggle to resist automatic thinking or association when lines sometimes rhyme and sometimes don’t.  We are often misled by our expectation of what we’re looking for, or simply put, preconceived notions trip us up.
With respect to any physical location it makes more sense than ever to shed the redundant constraints.  That is saying its clearest when we see just one type of clue needed for orientation when its clearly unneeded to have two or three.  People have posted time and time again how many lines associate with a variety of markers in order to define a long path (me as well…many times).  For the most part I think that’s the wrong way to go.  I’m finding there’s only so much verse to go around.  It seems most practical for 2/3rds of the verse to be derived from standing on top of the casque and seeing the closest markers coordinated.  I think there’s just one very distant marker, followed by one visual or verse based marker for each path adjustment (a turn, a door, a stair, etc.)whenever faced with options.  Preiss did his best to avoid confusions, that’s how he made things “easy” although its still not really that easy is it?
I’m looking to pure definitions for any of Preiss’ word choices.  I think its abundantly evident that he uses words which have common definitions but also have uncommon definitions.  He then frames that word choice in the common way whilst intending its alternative usage.  I’m guilty of making many many associations in the past, but I ask you all to pay even closer attention as I’ve been learning from my mistakes, gaining wisdom and sharpening the tools that I hope will soon locate a casque.

I brought up an idea on that clock in a previous post. I’ll have to search for it. Different verse though. I think it plays a role. Something about the v in the image from preservation pointing directly at twelve.

wait…
double
paces
. jokes on me.
if “ten by thirteen” was a clue of trees, might “twenty two” be also? there are 2 rows of 20 trees that line lelong avenue from the old floral clock to the museum (the entrance road that looks like the minute hand). interestingly, it actually pointed to 12, using the museum as the clock center, for more than 20 years until it was dismantled sometime after ’82.

Deuce

I brought up an idea on that clock in a previous post. I’ll have to search for it. Different verse though. I think it plays a role. Something about the v in the image from preservation pointing directly at twelve.

Unknown

Unknown:
In 1952, Allen Generes, a member of City Park’s Board of Directors, accompanied park director Ellis Laborde to the National Park and Recreation Convention in Montreal. While in Canada, the pair saw and admired the floral clock in nearby Westmount Park.
Upon returning to the Crescent City, Generes decided to donate a similar clock to the park. The Mayor of Montreal graciously provided the plans and the park staff built the clock at a cost of $2,000. Located on Lelong Avenue – near the park entrance leading to what’s now the New Orleans Museum of Art – the clock was a popular City Park attraction. The oversized hands proved irresistible for climbing children. This fact, along with time and acts of vandalism, took a toll on the clock’s mechanical parts. The broken clock was dismantled in 1982.
The City Park clock wasn’t the only floral clock in the city. In the 1960s, a less elaborately landscaped timepiece operated on the Loyola Avenue neutral ground near the New Orleans Public Library. It, too, fell into disrepair and was subsequently removed.
The inspiration for New Orleans’ first floral clock has fared far better than either the City Park or Loyola Avenue neutral ground examples. Built in 1927, using gears from a Model-T Ford, the Westmount clock is believed to have been the first such timepiece in Canada. Except during World War II, the Westmount Park floral clock has been under continuous cultivation. Restored in 2000, it remains a popular visitors’ attraction.

I found your post about the clock.
search for Allen Generes floral clock
has a connection with Montreal
http://www.myneworleans.com/New-Orleans … he-Parrot/
Montreal Westmount Park
http://www.westmount.org/page.cfm?Secti … tem_Sub=32
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westmount_Park
from
location of legeater in Golden Square Mile
http://goo.gl/maps/XXUb8
via
Montreal Museum of Fine Art
http://goo.gl/maps/BrYVd
To a nice Streetview of
floral clock in Montreal Westmount Park
http://goo.gl/maps/PGhFT

FYI, Siskel and I spent half a day on and around Ellis Island.  While the bird’s face is close, it is not an exact match (hard to tell from the pic posted).  Also, from whatever angle you look at it, that building doesn’t match up with the russian orthodox church in the picture.  Just thought we’d save you a trip, but by all means, if you think we may be wrong, please be my guest.
There are even large windows on the Ellis Island building which look close, but are not exact matches, to the “Window” in pic 12.  Also, you will see that I posted in the Image 12 thread (a while ago), an overhead view of Ellis Island, which matches the rectangle in Image 12.  It is certainly tempting, enough for Siskel and I to explore it.  It certainly fits the theory of the fair folk immigrating to the U.S.  But, as someone else pointed out (a while ago), it is hard to believe that a casque could be buried on Ellis Island.
I never thought of matching Verse 5 to NYC, so that part is interesting.
Do you have any info on these buildings being called “citadels”?

I think that because both Ellis and Battery Park have both been extended with landfill, the “weight and root extended” really must fit here.  Ellis island was extended with the earth and granite dug from making the NYC subways, while some of Battery Park was extended with earth and granite from making the WTC.  They both were once used as military forts as well as immagration facilities. Here, Castle Garden (aka Castle Clinton) is called a citadel:
http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library/a … ticle=7233
Below, although the word
citade
l isn’t mentioned, Ellis was first constructed to defend the harbor.
http://www.americanparknetwork.com/park … ellis.html
The eagle face is as close as anything I’ve seen so far,yet the body of the bird in image12 looks like a seagull.  With the shape of NJ in the hair and neck, the casque has to be in this area. Yet, there are still so many things in the image and verse5 that need to be explained.
edit: Fox came up with verse5, I think it’s dead on.

wind swept halls. (wind-swept: swept or exposed to the wind)
A wingless bird ascended.  (ascend: to move toward the source{to ascend a river})
born of ancient dreams of flight.  (flight: fleeing; running away from, as of danger)
edit: I should have left this on there, it’s only a mile from liberty State Park
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= … D%26sa%3DG

Just a thought on the couplet “Of granit walls Wind swept halls,” in verse five:  According to the Merriam-Webster on line dictionary, the definition of “halls” is as follows:
The castle or house of a medieval king or nobel; the chief living room of such a structure.
( i.e. “From the halls of Montezuma” in the Marine Corps Hymn)
This may or may not change the approach taken in making sense of, or solving the verse, but it does add a different perspective about what the couplet may be referring to.

wind swept halls:
Both sites have what one may consider a “chief living room”.  Yet Castle Clinton has only that one room. In 1982, it was
still wide open like it is today (getting windswept).
A wingless bird ascended:
May very well be a boat ascending up the inlet carrying people on “flight” from whatever they left behind.
Beneath the only standing member of a forest:
“forest” being used figuratively. If there were only one standing member, it wouldn’t be a forest.
I’m thinking some structure surrounded by a garden or small bushes.
Lane
Two twenty two:
????
You’ll see an acr of lights
One theory- a shipping lane where one could see the Verrazano lights leading to a place where weight and roots extended.
I’ve taken a diinner cruise out of Perth Amboy NJ.  It goes around the outside of Staten Island, then takes you under the Verrazano Bridge (at night) and “ascends” towards the Statue of Liberty, Ellis Island, and The Battery. I know there are three shipping lanes getting into the harbor.  Just can’t find anything on it.

Boogie and Forest,
The observations that “two twenty two” was Washington’s birthday and that “Lane Two twenty two” could be Washington Street are fantastic.
Digging around for “wingless birds”, I went looking for historic flights of things like balloons and rockets, and found the following quote at
http://www.faa.gov/education/curric/wb/bharris.pdf
Under the title of 100 YEARS OF SUSTAINED POWER FLIGHT HISTORY, compiled by Barbara Harris-Para, we see:
“1830
Charles F. Durant
of Jersey City was America’s 1st native-born aeronaut.  He flew his balloon from Castle Garden (Battery Park) in Manhattan & landed in South Amboy, NJ.”
…a wingless bird ascended, born of ancient dreams of flight….
This is it.  It’s in Battery Park.  Good job, guys.
Pine

Thanks for the confidence Pine, but I’ll believe it when I see a casque!
I wonder if there is a plaque or monument of some sort in Battery Park to commemorate the event.

I like it. I’m going on Thursday.
edit: Charles Ferson Durant was born and died in Jersey City.  He’s buried there.
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nj … eycity.txt

Verse 5. Image 6
Lane
Joseph Lane (1801 to 1881), 1st Governor of Oregon Territory
Two twenty-two
Highway, No.2 and Exit, No.22.
Turn at this sign and head up to the Chanticleer Point/Portland Women’s Forum site.
You’ll see an arc of lights
Crown Point Vista House sits on an arc promontory which is well lit at night.  Here is what it looks like when viewed from my proposed casque location:
Weight and roots extended
This 50-ton boulder honors Sam Hill (and Sam Lancaster) at the Portland Women’s Forum which offers the best view of the Crown Point Vista House.
Together saved the site
Large sign with the word “FORUM”  “place of assembly [ancient Rome]” “gather together”
Of granite walls
Wind swept halls
Citadel in the night  See the Crown Point Vista House.  Houses have halls.  Citadel as castle i.e. crown.
I’ve selected this historical photo because I love the staircase.
A wingless bird ascended
Birds may not all have wings, but they all have plumage.  Volcanoes have no wings but may have plumes as they wake from dormancy.
Born of ancient dreams of flight
A volcano’s dream came true on May 18th, 1980.
Beneath the only standing member
Of a forest
A single tree, nearby, stands directly in front of the treasure ground.
To the south
White stone closest
A white capped mountain peak stands over one of the ring stones, none of which are white.
I love and also hate the fact that there is an intervening hill, tree line, and cloud barrier between the mountain peak and this stone.  I had to take a compass reading and look at a map to find the precise location of the mountain peak from this spot.
At twelve paces
From the west side
Puts you exactly between 50-ton boulder and the big tree and inside the ring of stones.
Get permission
To dig out.

Great cw!
I see the mound that was built by the Army…but I’m missing the connection to the other end of the island that the Fort resides on…Do you think that this is a potential spot too?
Also, I found this:
“What are all of the bunkers on Sullivan’s Island?
After the Spanish-American War in 1898, the U.S. Army purchased all the land on Sullivan’s Island from Fort Moultrie almost to the light house. This became the Fort Moultrie Military Reservation. In addition, more property was purchased up to Breach Inlet. On portions of this land the Army built “concrete bunkers” that are actually artillery emplacements called batteries. In 1947, after World War II, the Army closed its operations on Sullivan’s Island. Today, Fort Moultrie and Battery Jasper are part of Fort Sumter National Monument.
The remaining batteries and buildings are either private property or owned by the Town of Sullivan’s Island
.”
http://www.nps.gov/fosu/faqs.htm
Not much, but a bit more info…

tjgrey

Ok. Just trying to deduce…
Also, take a look at the note under the diagram in this brochure. I had no idea that parts of the fort/batteries were or could be privately owned. “Get permission to dig out”?
http://www.nps.gov/fosu/planyourvisit/u … Jasper.pdf

nice,
some info to see/find the private owned batteries
i used tjgrey brochure link, and County of Charleston, South Carolina. GIS site
and found the marshell battery is privately owned, by 7 individuals, the homes
built from west to east, station st 30 to station st 31, between I’on and brownell
97,?,92,?,42,98,2006, some of the props are listed as SUBDIVISION: MARSHALL RESERVATION
these 2 homes look like they are built into the mound the cannons sat on
http://goo.gl/maps/HslMO
http://goo.gl/maps/OfzLZ
overhead
http://goo.gl/maps/uk1yQ
tjgrey brochure link
http://www.nps.gov/fosu/planyourvisit/u … Jasper.pdf
using the GIS
To make a layer active click on the round button located directly to the left of the layer name
check Visible for what layers you want, i chose Visible  for Libraries,  Visible and Active for
Parcels,  Visible -2012 Color Photos, used zoom and pan and i = info, side windows slide to
large and small
click start
http://ccgisweb.charlestoncounty.org/we … efault.htm

I also circled some areas on this map…so Battery Jasper (blue) is private property.
Working clockwise, I have walked around the circled tree (orange) North of Battery Jasper per Rook’s request. There were no white stones or markers nearby. Unfortunate…that would be prime digging area. That tree (there are two there-the larger of the two) really resembles the pine branch’s needles in Image 2 as well.
I was always a fan of the Moultrie-2 geo marker on the SW corner of the attached pic. But stepping that off, (~30 or ~60 feet depending on your definition of a pace) I can’t see that working out since both scenarios land you under the rocks or outside of them…
The blank are at the corner of the Fort I would like to know more about. Is this actual Fort property? There is a pretty prominent white stone there – the Meridian Stone/Marker. But I see no resemblance or confirmers of that in Image 2 (I think this would be shown too).
Moving up, the WWII memorial still could have some merit…west of that stone puts you in the bushes and would be about as risky digging there as anywhere in the area. I just do not know about buried electrical lines that some people talked about here.
The church. That african tree (if that’s what it is) is very different. Interesting to say the least. There is a (now covered by the bush) gray/white stone/slab there at the corner of Osceola and Station 12 streets. Stepping West of that though, puts you in the street.
I suppose the next step is finding out how many batteries are privately owned, by who, and where that covers?
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And, FWIW, this is pretty cool (this has no real relevancy to digging…)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl … 0TeHBPopIg
Canadian Company Recreates Fort Moultrie in 3D
http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/TheB … trie-in-3d

Unknown

Unknown:
Great cw!
I see the mound that was built by the Army…but I’m missing the connection to the other end of the island that the Fort resides on…Do you think that this is a potential spot too?

no not a potential spot, just found a way to check the private owned, and thought i would post it
today i was thinking since most of the houses were built in 90s and later at that battery, and i
wonder if any of the batteries had been a small park at one time, just trying to cover all the bases
for the areas that come up, never know how much history and land to any  potential area has changed
do you know the publication date for the brochure?

the alamo is in san antonio.  the walls are definately not granite. the route 222 I found is a little tiny road. there certainly might be one in SA, I haven’t looked

Glossiphoniidae

NO uses direct interpretation of the lines…simplest possible solution.

Hang on, Lane Two = Tulane isn’t
that
direct…
I like those duelling oaks. Just saying I wouldn’t rule Sullivan’s out yet either.

I’m not saying it is a stretch, I am saying that it is not a direct translation.
arc of lights = arc of lights
arc of lights does not equal carbon lamps or lighthouse
What I am saying is that NO has all of the lines in direct translation in an area spread out no further than the clues in Chicago.
Sullivan’s Island uses all the verses lines in coordinated interpretation methods that relate to the surrounding areas/things.
I’m also not ruling Sullivan’s Island out, I am just noting that all of the verses seem to be able to describe so many different places by using complimentary clues to draw a conclusion, rather than direct interpretation like Chicago and Cleveland. I really wonder if the verses were put together to trick us into making links… I mean, “The place where jewels abound” pretty clearly feels like NO; but it does not DIRECTLY relate. Maybe that’s the trick, we keep getting pulled into the verses that feel right as a whole. I wouldn’t be surprised after recent thought and groupings of clues if V3 and its 18th day 12th hour was NOT Boston.
In hindsight, Chicago and Cleveland verses in no way “feel” like those cities. If we didn’t have those solved, would we be using these verses as different cities? It’s hard to say with our bias, but I think, yes.

Oh…sorry, edited it, bad habit I know. Tulane ain’t exactly a “direct translation” either.
All I’m mainly doing is addressing tjgrey on the “deal breaker”. The NO stuff is good but I don’t think the Sullivans deal is irrevocably broke either. (I don’t see windswept halls in either place yet.)
Certainly not averse to trying new verse/image combos. I have a hunch that Preiss deliberately muddled things up by throwing plausible connections into the wrong verses.

hypostyle hall… aka… (insert
P
ropernamestyle hall here)??
Hint: Presevation “Hall” goes around in the picture… what prefix means “around” or “encircling”?
you buyin’ in?

Looks good.
This gives a magnified close-up if you click on the photo:
http://img.groundspeak.com/waymarking/l … 09c693.JPG
Is that the white stone in the background up against the railings?

Looks like we are not alone
Geocache Description:
You are looking for a simple magnetic key holder located near the tree, but not on the fence. DO NOT climb or search in the tree.
http://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC1Q … lling-oaks

WhiteRabbit

Oh…sorry, edited it, bad habit I know. Tulane ain’t exactly a “direct translation” either.
All I’m mainly doing is addressing tjgrey on the “deal breaker”. The NO stuff is good but I don’t think the Sullivans deal is irrevocably broke either. (I don’t see windswept halls in either place yet.)
Certainly not averse to trying new verse/image combos. I have a hunch that Preiss deliberately muddled things up by throwing plausible connections into the wrong verses.

And I’m not saying SI is out completely. I’m all for entertaining ideas for SI. I’m just not personally going to focus my theories of V5 on SI. I’d love to see it work out and would be happy to check any areas out in person if anyone needed. There are just too many lines that don’t click to me for the casque to be there. Again, I’d love to be wrong on this. Just the feeling I get for this area.
And the verses actually remind me of what I think what Davey said about AFI’s lyrics. They are written so vague but specific so that they can apply to many people (or places in this case). Brilliant, really!
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wk

Looks like we are not alone

Look at it as we’ll have someone to blame

Why is nobody else looking for this stuff once I opened the can? Figuring rubbish out is fun! I wish we could all find the same clues and then discuss our thoughts on them without the bias of already having heard somebody else’s. I feel like a dick letting these clues trickle out. I don’t want to deprive you of the search! Who’s tagline was that?

Egbert

I also like the Tulane reference, and the only standing member of a forest.  However, this does not explain most of the rest of the verse.

OK… I’ll continue. But again reading with duality.
A wingless bird ascended = A bird without wings = A wing less bird ascended = A wings without bird
Born of ancient dreams of flight = Aviation
This is the tip of an obelisk just directionally east of the city park entrance gate (toward the dueling tree).
http://goo.gl/maps/JKno3

If this were poker and our solves were our hands, prior to the flop I’m going all in. It may be the first time I take the pot with deuces.

I like where you’re going with all of this. Not sure if there’s other faces on the other side but the one on the right may look similar to the image’s mask looking straight on. Maybe not but I like this idea. Def worth looking into.

I have, but I find it irrelevant. And there isn’t. the noses are all way to long to match (as opposed to wide). The clues in the verse stop needing interpretation once they are found. The verse is very direct as to what it is referring to for every single line. Follow the verse, not the images. Otherwise, you’ll enter tangent eternity.

.

How do you get from Tulane to the park? If that’s a correct interpretation.

Also, going with your duality idea and reversal…
wingless bird ascended <--> ascended birdless wing.

Deuce

How do you get from Tulane to the park? If that’s a correct interpretation.

I don’t know how I would have gotten to Tulane in the first place if I followed the image. If I had, I’d probably have headed southeast till i got to the superdome. Then, I’d keep going to layfayette square, and go straight down to the water. I’d go over the moonwalk to jackson square and amphithere, and then I’d go northwest to louis armstrong park after stopping at the Cathedral. Then, I might just head to the fairgrounds if I was stretching my mind, or maybe the mint. Then, I’d see the park entrance on esplanade. Or I might be ‘effin lost because I was trying to follow the image and had been walking around in a circle.
I got to Tulane following the verse. We do not have a concrete way of determining whether the verse is describing sporadic points with a few lines describing the exact location (Chicago), or a description of the location only (Cleveland). There has been no evidence that there is a path spelled-out in a line from A to B. This one seems to be much more like Chicago, with the things being described within the image being of similar distance to the digsite.
So, once I’d gotten to Tulane using the verse (not the image), I would probably just walk down S. Carrollton until I got to the entrance. Or, I might take a look at an aerial, see a 3 AM clear as day, and try to find a citadel in there somewhere, perhaps one called out by The Spirit of ’76 (everywhere but rare… 222 …. duality… the only people that are concentrated in duality).
And where is the circle between the X and the II fall? Right at the Duelling Tree. Right in the middle of 12.
Though, I would have probably stopped before trying this when i saw the arc of lights.
Bottom line, there is no evidence that a verse gives us directions, so asking how I would get “from Tulane to the park, if that is the correct interpretation,” doesn’t really have an answer other than, well, just walking around and exploring.

Glossiphoniidae

A long story, and a bit of trial-error comparison and grouping later (of which I will spare you the details), I’m left with several lines from various verses that absolutely make no sense, that I cannot group because I have no idea what they are. It dawned on me that one of the lines could be describing something in an image – like Roanoke’s,
to the land near the window
– a line or two that could only be interpreted jointly with
a single
image. Not something that you could find on a map or in a book.
I had a look around at all the cities with the above in mind, Verse 5 and the New Orleans image stuck out…
You’ll see an arc of lights
… Much like the line,
to the land near the window
, maybe it is a completely unique clue that we cannot make heads or tails of without joining the correct image. In only one image can we
see an arc of lights
.

I’m onboard with this whether we can prove it or not. I always wondered if there was a sure fire way to pair a verse to an image based on part of the verse content…maybe not, but it seemed like a sound way to ensure that the hunter made the right pairing for the city.
And if so, I do like the ‘arc of lights’ thought!
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bigmattyh

I’ll bite. You might be onto something here.

From working on Verse 5 with Charleston for awhile, I’m definitely interested. The clincher for me was the arc and “Aviation” marker. You may really be onto something, four!
Did you say there is one dualing tree left standing, or the “only standing member” is the sign?
Also, did you come across anywhere about the ownership of the park? Public, privately owned?
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tjgrey

NPS worker confirmed that no part of Moultrie was granite. This was part of the ‘deal breaker’ for me for this site/verse combo.
You’ll see an arc of lights – This I could have seen as a fit, but it didn’t click. If we get specific, there is only one lighthouse on the island, and if I’m not mistaken, it only has a single lamp. True, someone could see an arc of light, but it implies that you will see plural…lights.

forest_blight

Unknown

Unknown:
When first activated on June 15, 1962, the lighthouse featured an amazing twenty-eight million candlepower light, produced by
carbon arc lamps
costing $900 apiece, that was the second brightest in the western hemisphere.

Unknown

Unknown:
The Winter Hall is constructed of two foot thick Georgia granite walls

I like the New Orleans angle. But staying with Sullivan’s for a minute, we shouldn’t forget this…
http://www.lighthousefriends.com/light.asp?ID=334
…and I’m sure granite isn’t hard to find. How about the old Fort Moultrie Post Chapel for instance.
http://www.postandcourier.com/article/2 … /130509680
http://www.castlemugdock.com/about/
Don’t get too excited; I don’t think it was called the Winter Hall then, but it was granite, and possibly a ruin.

Yes, but NO uses direct interpretation of the lines… an actual arc of actual lights… simplest possible solution.
Other than the fact that “hall” is a word specifically missing from the NO image, there certainly must be a place that is “windswept” near the duelling tree
Maybe we should look for halls of a different “style,” you know, the wind-swept kind in literal terms.

I’ve concluded some depth of research into the history of the Historic Columbia River Highway:
1) First scenic highway in the United States.
2) Designated Highway No.2 from c.1930 to 1956, called I-80N after that until 1980 when it changed to I-84.
3) milepost markers have remained unchanged and were in place before 1980.
4) mile marker 22 is the original continuation of the Historic Columbia River Highway prior to being bypassed by I-84.

Does mile marker or even exit # 22
equate to Lane 22
based on the straightforwardness of the found verses.
I would be hesitant to associate the an exit and a mile-marker
He chose lane for a reason. the most likely reason is he meant Lane. Not road not exit not Mile-marker.
A Lane is not an avenue or a street or a road, it is a specific description or a specific name.
Where M and B were set in stone,  – look there’s M and B set in stone.
seek the columns,  look there are columns.
Music, Brush theres a music pavillion, Theres an art institute…
Socrates, Pindar, Appeles, Nothing deep than there names are on that wall over there….
So my question is does Mile Marker, exit or Highway even equate to lane?

I’m using Lane as a reference to a person.  I see Ponce deLeon with the title of Governor, the first of Peurto Rico.  I discovered there is a Lane who had the title of Governor, the first for the Oregon Territory.  The idea that the first asphalted scenic highway in the United States had the designation as No.2 and has an exit at mile 22 in the former Oregon Territory drew my attention.  Mind you I am drawing a conclusion from the visual of a man holding a flag on top of a rock as a representation of being first.

I’ll bump this thread for our newest visitor.  It was suggested that a Presidio Manzanita was the “only standing member / of a forest”, so I did a quick search and found this site:
http://sacramento.fws.gov/es/plant_spp_ … zanita.htm
It looks more like a shrub from the description, and cuttings are being propagated.  Still, it *is* in the Golden Gate parks area.  I’m not sure if the rest of the verse really has much relation to San Francisco, however.

mi cámara es su cámara. mi caza es su caza.

Thrasher, would you mind stopping by Storyland? Looking back I wish I would have stopped by.
I would appreciate a panorama shot of the area near the dragon slide.

Unknown

Unknown:
by WhiteRabbit » Tue Oct 20, 2015 2:51 am
Weight and roots extended
Together saved the site
Of granite walls
Wind swept halls
Citadel in the night
Although people have looked at Charleston’s Hampton Park, they don’t seem to have looked at it much in the context of this verse. So, just a quick observation that the place is a few blocks from Sumter St (Fort Sumter mask), it used to have a zoo with a lion, it’s close to the Citadel, and also close to the US Post Office which has granite walls.

Hi WhiteRabbit – Hampton Park is also interesting, but I am not making the connection with the first two lines of the verse above and the site. Can you elaborate on your thinking?
Regards,
Mac

…erm, no, that was just some random brainstorming…!

Oddly enough, JoshCornell may have just given me an idea with his comments over in the I9 thread today. I’ve already written up my full I2/V5 Charleston “theory” both here and on my own blog, but I’d kind of thought that whole “Citadel in the night” line was just a throwaway. Almost like Preiss just needed something poetic to follow the fort’s physical description in “Of granite walls / wind swept halls”.
BUT, after JoshCornell made this comment today, I ran a quick Google search for “Fort Moultrie at night”. This was the first link that popped up:
http://www.sandlappertours.com/fort-moultrie-tours/
and here’s the cut+ paste:
The Battle of Sullivan’s Island
The first Fort Moultrie was constructed and survived a battle before the colonies actually declared their independence from Great Britain. In 1776, South Carolina leaders were anxious to protect Charleston and directed Colonel William Moultrie to build and man a fort on Sullivan’s Island. In those days, treacherous sandbanks forced all ships to enter the harbor from the south on a course heading directly towards Sullivan’s Island. The Americans decided the island was the ideal spot for a fort; the location would allow the fort’s guns to fire before any incoming enemy warships could fire on them.
In the spring of 1776, construction began. Walls of palmetto logs were set 16 feet apart and the space between packed with sand. When only two walls were finished, a fleet of nine British warships under the command of Sir Peter Parker appeared offshore and made their way into the harbor.
On the morning of June 28, they fired. However, the springy texture of the logs combined with the sand bunker deflected the British cannonballs and the 2nd South Carolina Regiment inside the fort fired back. One eyewitness account claims that one round, coming uncomfortably close, slightly wounded Sir Peter with his “britches…quite torn off, his backside laid bare.” The battle raged all day and into the night, until the British ceased firing and moved off.
Civil War Era
By the time South Carolina seceded from the United States in 1860, Fort Moultrie had been rebuilt twice. This third fort was a six-sided brick structure and was part of a ring of fortifications around Charleston Harbor, along with Johnson Fort, Castle Pinckney, and the still-unfinished Fort Sumter.
In December, 1860, Fort Moultrie was manned by Major Robert Anderson and a garrison of 85 soldiers. Deciding Fort Sumter was a safer position, Major Anderson and his men abandoned Fort Moultrie on December 26, 1860, in the dead of night and quietly crossed the harbor to Fort Sumter.
The Confederate Army took over Fort Moultrie, strengthening its fortifications with sandbags many feet thick. This sand later helped the fort to withstand 20 months of bombardment by the Union beginning in April, 1863.
SO:
Could Preiss have been using the couplet “Wind swept halls / Citadel in the night” as a reference to the 1860 nighttime evacuation by Union troops? If so, then that would mean that every line in V5 acts as an oblique reference to the history of Fort Moultrie or the geography of Sullivan’s Island. Something to think about…
Credit where credit is due…thanks JoshCornell!

Disregard my last few posts pairing verse 5 to image 12.

jayheedan1

Disregard my last few posts pairing verse 5 to image 12.

Don’t worry, already had.

A Kiwi bird gets into a huge slingshot…

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Unknown:
Yes, I believe the helicopter & the hot air balloon (both of which are indeed wingless) have been discussed in the past.  I remember some rather promising leads arose from the balloon discussion but quickly fizzled out.  Are there any birds out there that are actually wingless…not just unable to fly?  I guess if there were, it would be near impossible for them to ascend.  Hmm…dumb idea just popped into my head….what about a person named Bird, Byrd, Byrde, etc… who took flight?
Damn this bird…  :bang)

It was my understanding that the wingless bird referred to a kite. I remember that discussion from a while back. And the only real wingless bird there is is an apteryx–which is extinct. (See my post on P. 12 of this thread.)
I think the attempt to make a glider “wingless” is really a stretch.

…like this famous bird:
may not relate at all but he sure was an interesting fellow..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Evelyn_Byrd

cw0909

cant remember was Helicopter discussed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter

Yes, I believe the helicopter & the hot air balloon (both of which are indeed wingless) have been discussed in the past.  I remember some rather promising leads arose from the balloon discussion but quickly fizzled out.  Are there any birds out there that are actually wingless…not just unable to fly?  I guess if there were, it would be near impossible for them to ascend.  Hmm…dumb idea just popped into my head….what about a person named Bird, Byrd, Byrde, etc… who took flight?
Damn this bird…

Unknown

Unknown:
When trying to figure out why BP included some particular detail or choice of words, perhaps it’s worth considering that he might have been taking a sideways glance at a different puzzle.

Good input. I think you describe it very well, WR, and it comes across surprisingly clear. I’ve really tried to chalk it up to our net armchair-searching ability. I think I’ve commented on it before, but it would be a huge of cognitive load to keep all the connections in mind when writing the verses; let alone, the images. It’s hard to imagine that someone could design a puzzle with enough intention to do so, and still present clear, solvable riddles. Many past hunts support this.
It’s also been mentioned how there seems to be overlap in the images (i.e. a highly recognizable pattern or architecture in one city’s image can be found in another image). This also irks me.
Or perhaps he’s just
trying to
“confirm but also confuse and derail.”

erexere

autocorrect error.  “I CAN see…” ..oh, and scratch the rest of that sentence..I can’t put forth a clear thought these days.
arrgh.
I was trying to say “I can see BP considering that possibility.”  Where’s that lead us…back to Roanoke then?

Yes… This is also why I posted the PDF just prior referencing the ancient dreams bit… it related to the WB, and would play off of R. Lane too
…but, I can’t see Roanoke being anything other than V11. “The land near the window” is a definite confirmer for me.
… Circles.

Think of the thing holistically. It’s like Thucydides and Xenophon at the Grecian Garden…interconnections.
The book starts with a description of the individual fairy nations, who came to the new land and intermarried; interbred. “Sylph married Duende” etc etc, or however it goes. The final section is about the resulting descendants with their mixed influences. The puzzles are inbetween. Each reflects a particular nation, but also the interconnections between them.
Osceola in St Augustine…a Ponce de Leon lookalike on the cover of
The Lost Colony
…Lane linking Roanoke to Sullivan’s Island…and back to Osceola again.
I don’t think there’s a pattern in these interconnections; they seem too obscure and chaotic. They tend to confirm but also to confuse and derail. Remember the arguments about the 2 and 20 runways that also link the Wright Brothers with this verse…?
When trying to figure out why BP included some particular detail or choice of words, perhaps it’s worth considering that he might have been taking a sideways glance at a different puzzle.

From previous verses, I think BP is generally more cryptic about street names than to actually say the name of the street.  He has refered to roads before, but never by their actual names.
For instance, it is supposed that “10 by 13” in verse 12 Refers to Jackson and Monroe Avenues (10th and 13th letter).  It would be very out of character to actually say what he means.
On another note, are most people resolved that this verse refers to New York?  I still believe it refers to Charleston.

Present majority thought on 222….
is it refers to the road leading onto Sullivan Island.
The roadway over the draw bridge is a given name
(that escapes me right now)
but it changes to Station 22 once into Sullivan Island proper.
(station being a reference to there being a Fort on the property).
Now Station 22 is the only street here with a ‘twin’
called Station 22 1/2.  (a small roadway adjacent to the main one
that led to a now abandoned light house)
Therefore:    Lane
Two twenty two
Actually means – Find a street with two (quantity) twenty twos.
The seperation of Lane is important because it allows the seperation
of the first two to mean quantity as opposed to the proper name.

Is anyone still looking at this verse possibly tied to Florida?  I am going to a park tomorrow to take some pictures where a LOT of this verse matches, but using 222 as in 2 20 2 relating to the alphabet (BTB).

Tomorrow’s the day.  High noon.  Wish me luck.

Find us a casque Boogieman!  Bring it home.  Make sure you take your book and any notes that may {or even may not} be pertinant, you never know what might ring a bell as you walk around the park.  Also, take lots of pix, especially if you Dont find the casque.  They may just help us pinpoint a location.
Best of luck and I will say a prayer to the treasure hunting Gods tonight as I go to sleep.

And for heaven’s sake…
don’t find the casque and then get mugged
Luck be a lady.
Tron

maltedfalcon

Well the pairings you have come up with are nothing new. as a matter of fact, for a long time 6 was the choice for SF and 5 for charleston. (there is actually a school there called the citadel… and there has been lots of research on those pairings. years worth as a matter of fact – boots on the ground comparing searching- and it was after all that research and hunting that the current v7 sf , – v6 charleston, V5 montreal has been arrived at.
RLS has strong ties to charleston and to SF I had to look back to see who first mentioned Portsmouth Square and RLS… it was in 2008 oh yeah me. I went over all the RLS possibilites deeply Verse 7 is a much better fit.
That shouldn’t stop you from looking at all. but what I am saying is you are looking at re-pairing these verses in a a very cursory way – simply because of the little amount of time you have spent . people have been tearing at these for years now. If you want to look using different verses, great! – if you are trying to convince others, you have a huge amount of research ahead.. Seriously when I tried to convince everybody that verse 7 was SF not New Orleans, it took the better part of 2 years. – plain and simply the clues are so generic you can basically make any verse fit any city.
Twain has ties just about everywhere.

Thanks for the feedback and your longtime work on the puzzle! Is there anything that connects verse 5 and Montreal enough for you to think that is an actual pairing?

maltedfalcon

Hi Welcome
as others have said Verse 5 is basically the one left over
all the other verse image combos are considered to be very solid,
You also have to realize it wasn’t that long ago that Montreal wasn’t even considered a city. It was only after the legeater was found and St Louis MO, was removed from contention.
But rather than look at the puzzle as a single city puzzle, it makes sense to look at all the cities and verse/image combinations. so If you are thinking of trying a different verse
you need to look at what ramifications that has to the other cities involved.
For instance if you wanted to use Verse 7 for Montreal then That would affect SF (the most likey Verse 7 pair), which means the 2nd most likely pair verse 6 would go to SF Which mean Charlston, now needs a verse. etc etc down the line.
Ripples in a pond. The more ripples you make, the less likely your suggested change would be…

Maltedfalcon, that’s the rabbit hole I went down last night. It is possible that The Secret wiki page has three verse pairings incorrect: 5, 6, and 7 (the ones traditionally paired with Montreal, Charleston, and San Francisco).
After researching verse 5 and its relation to Montreal, I have yet to hear or see any connection between the two, so at this time I am convinced that is not a correct pairing (but simply people pairing those two by process of elimination). So last night I tried to brainstorm a better pairing for these three cities and verses and came up with the following:
Verse 5 is Charleston (clue: “Citadel” pointing to Fort Sumter)
Verse 6 is San Francisco (clue: words hinting at Treasure Island by Robert Louis Stevenson and pointing to Robert Louis Stevenson monument in Chinatown)
Verse 7 is Montreal (clue: During his first visit to Montreal in 1888, Mark Twain proclaimed Montréal The city of a hundred bell towers, saying, “This is the first time I was ever in a city where you couldn’t throw a brick without breaking a church window.” This points to “an object of Twain’s attention.”)
Additionally, I believe that verse 5 is most likely either Charleston or San Francisco as both locations have a prominent citadel (Fort Sumter or Alcatraz). In addition, Fort Sumter and Alcatraz both were made with granite, are known for being very windy, and could have arcs of lights (cannonballs or lighthouse).
Any feedback is greatly appreciated!

jamesrogers2

Maltedfalcon, that’s the rabbit hole I went down last night. It is possible that The Secret wiki page has three verse pairings incorrect: 5, 6, and 7 (the ones traditionally paired with Montreal, Charleston, and San Francisco).
After researching verse 5 and its relation to Montreal, I have yet to hear or see any connection between the two, so at this time I am convinced that is not a correct pairing (but simply people pairing those two by process of elimination). So last night I tried to brainstorm a better pairing for these three cities and verses and came up with the following:
Verse 5 is Charleston (clue: “Citadel” pointing to Fort Sumter)
Verse 6 is San Francisco (clue: words hinting at Treasure Island by Robert Louis Stevenson and pointing to Robert Louis Stevenson monument in Chinatown)
Verse 7 is Montreal (clue: During his first visit to Montreal in 1888, Mark Twain proclaimed Montréal The city of a hundred bell towers, saying, “This is the first time I was ever in a city where you couldn’t throw a brick without breaking a church window.” This points to “an object of Twain’s attention.”)
Additionally, I believe that verse 5 is most likely either Charleston or San Francisco as both locations have a prominent citadel (Fort Sumter or Alcatraz). In addition, Fort Sumter and Alcatraz both were made with granite, are known for being very windy, and could have arcs of lights (cannonballs or lighthouse).
Any feedback is greatly appreciated!

Well the pairings you have come up with are nothing new. as a matter of fact, for a long time 6 was the choice for SF and 5 for charleston. (there is actually a school there called the citadel… and there has been lots of research on those pairings. years worth as a matter of fact – boots on the ground comparing searching- and it was after all that research and hunting that the current v7 sf , – v6 charleston, V5 montreal has been arrived at.
RLS has strong ties to charleston and to SF I had to look back to see who first mentioned Portsmouth Square and RLS… it was in 2008 oh yeah me. I went over all the RLS possibilites deeply Verse 7 is a much better fit.
That shouldn’t stop you from looking at all. but what I am saying is you are looking at re-pairing these verses in a a very cursory way – simply because of the little amount of time you have spent . people have been tearing at these for years now. If you want to look using different verses, great! – if you are trying to convince others, you have a huge amount of research ahead.. Seriously when I tried to convince everybody that verse 7 was SF not New Orleans, it took the better part of 2 years. – plain and simply the clues are so generic you can basically make any verse fit any city.
Twain has ties just about everywhere.

JamesV

He does?

Yes through the strong ties of charleston’s piracy. and the preface to Treasure Island.

maltedfalcon

RLS has strong ties to charleston

He does?

MF, thanks for explaining the thought process. This is one of the points where I guess we’re still going to disagree. There’s no denying that several pirates were present in the Atlantic Ocean during Charleston’s early years, as they also were around FL, NC, etc. But for me, making the whole “Treasure Island” jump on that fact alone just seems like too much of a stretch. Also, while Robert Louis Stevenson did stay in both SF and NYC during his travels from Scotland to Samoa, the man has absolutely no connection to Charleston.
For me, at least, I think the I1/V6 pairing lays the groundwork for a much stronger connection. As you pointed out, there’s an actual RLS monument there…not just an overly vague reference to the subject of one of his many books. Further, that statue actually features a model of the ship “Hispaniola”… the same one that was in the book “Treasure Island.”
I agree with you, it looks like V6 is definitely hinting towards a “Treasure Island” reference, but I don’t see why people would still choose prefer a more obscure interpretation over what seems like a very direct clue.
Just my .02, from a guy with zero casques found to date.

I believe this to be our Lane 222!  Whadya’ll think?  It hit me when I was sitting in Study Hall at school.
-regulus

I saw a Reddit post yesterday about
The Secret
and it got me curious which led me to here.
Lane
Two twenty two
You’ll see an arc of lights
2×22=44
Interstate 44 is a highway that passes the Gateway Arch
A wingless bird ascended
Born of ancient dreams of flight
I was thinking this was referring to a spacecraft as mentioned in one of the first few pages — specifically Apollo since he is an ancient Greek God who rode across the sky to give light to the world. President Kennedy was associated with the Apollo missions which leads me to believe Kennedy Forest in Forest Park is a plausable location along with…
Of a forest
To the south
Of granite walls
Wind swept halls
Citadel in the night
This could be giving a location in the general area of the treasure just how the Art Institute of Chicago was referenced in the solved verse in 1983. The St. Louis Art Museum is where I’m going with this one, but I don’t know if the museum has granite walls.
Feel free to pick it apart.
-UA

I thought I’d break this down here for better clarity:
Edit: Notice how this and the Cleveland solves are primarily a reference to a road near the site and then details within that site’s perspective.  Chicago seemed a bit different in that there was a greater radius and not every reference was in view.  Priess did more of a journey and triangulation of monuments and then found a spot not to conspicuous.  Expect other solves to vary at least to these two properties, path/triangulate and site/perspective (things distant or near).  I think the Boston and Milwaukee solves will be a lot like the Chicago but at an even greater radius.  Enjoy.
Lane Two twenty two
I’m really not sure how you figure out that it’s suppose to be the Columbia River Gorge on the Oregon-Washington Border, but the Historic Columbia River Highway (built by Two Sam’s, entrepreneur Sam Hill and engineer Sam Lancaster to model the scenic highways of Europe) was named Highway No. 2.  Take I-84, which bypasses the historic highways, to exit 22 in Corbett, OR and find the scenic Chanticleer Point.
You’ll see an arc of lights
This is the Bonneville Dam
Weight and roots extended
Together saved the site
The 50-ton boulder on steps, a historic (saved) monument to Sam Hill and Sam Lancaster
Of granite walls
Wind swept halls
Citadel in the night
Encircled by smaller stones and connected by chains gives it a Citadel-like defensiveness, but this could be referring to Sam Hills Stonehenge replica farther to the East or the Crown Point Vista House which can be seen a short distance away
A wingless bird ascended
Born of ancient dreams of flight
Beacon Rock is viewable in the distance next to Bonneville Dam on the Washington side.
Beneath the only standing member
Of a forest
A single tall tree stands near and looks over this site, it is a Fir, I don’t think it’s a Noble Fir, but the “standing member” = member of standing = noble and might be the clue needed to see through the palm tree’s disguise in P6
To the south
White stone closest
At twelve paces
From the west side
From the perspective of the dig location, south 12 paces will be the stone that lines up with Mt. Hood
Get permission
To dig out.
What was B.Preiss thinking to have buried this thing so close to a historic monument?!

Wingless bird doesn’t have to mean balloon–it could also mean rocket. OR…it could also mean ELEVATOR.
Check this out:
http://www.shelterpub.com/_lloyd/bridge_top.html

Unknown

Unknown:
Should we consider wingless bird to be something non-flying and yet bird-like in some way?

Here’s my take on this. (Not a disagreement, just a different pov)
There aren’t any WINGless birds. There
are
FLIGHTless birds–and the very essence–the
raison d’etre
if you will–of
bird
is flight. What is a bird without wings at all? Not really a bird at all, for most of us. Yet:
We can accept birds without
flight
–penguins, dodos, ostriches, kiwis, cassowarys, emus, even most domesticated chickens–are not a problem for us. They’re still birds. They still have
wings
, even if those wings are vestigial.  But a “wingless” bird? We don’t have any–not real birds, that is, in the animal kingdom that are not extinct–(the only one that
ever
existed was the moa and it died out before Europeans settled New Zealand.)
So, after all this boring science is considered, what I’m trying to say is simply this: I don’t believe we’re looking for anything resembling a
real bird minus the flight
–I believe we are looking at a metaphor for something that has no wings but can still fly, such as a rocket, a balloon, a zeppelin, an airship, a
kite
, an elevator (because it can ascend!) or even a space capsule.
Note the kite. There is a lot of possibility with this object. You could tie in many things, Benjamin Franklin, the Wright Brothers, and very importantly, CHINA.  If you’re looking at San Francisco for this verse, then you are also looking at China, since that is the country associated with the image. Additionally, there is a
real
bird called a kite. The metaphoric range here is rich.

I just read a P.D.Eastman book to my kid about a bird looking for its mother.  He couldn’t fly, so he walked while searching for her.
Should we consider wingless bird to be something non-flying and yet bird-like in some way?

Nice, the lessons in science and history are always welcome.  I suppose a baby bird inside an egg might also apply.  An egg shape that ascends fits the description of a gondola.
Just to recap, I’m still strongly in favor of Beacon (beak on rock) or Rooster Rock landmarks as they fit the bird association and as tall mountain like features they have an ascending quality.  Even so, it’s still important to explore the wide range of possibilities…and it’s fun.
So far it seems almost useless to look at maps, since the real search seems to be from an on foot experience.  Internet just fails to really bridge that gap.  Grabbing hold of some minute reference or detail and then taking that leap to stroll around that vicinity until something clicks again has to be the way.  The Cleveland wall and the post in fence were almost centered in each image.

If anyone has ever read The Gold Bug, the references to this verse (and painting) are pretty remarkable. In the first paragraphs, Sullivan’s Island, Fort Moultrie, and palmetto branches are all mentioned. The gold mask in the painting is an unquestionable nod to the story which is about a treasure hunt. In the same collection of short stories by Edgar Allen Poe, there is the Balloon Hoax which ends with a hot air balloon landing (descending not ascending) at Sullivan’s Island. Hard to believe this wasn’t Preiss’ inspiration behind this verse/painting.

I know what you’re saying, Fox, and I don’t disagree—but you have to admit that both verses are a pretty good match. I will say that V 11 is probably a
better
one because of the 2 friends of Octave, and the monument words. So far, no other explanation for “octave” has ever surfaced. And BTW, his name isn’t Octavio, it’s really OCTAVE. (pronounced “ok TAHV” I assume)  There is an annual award given in his name for research in flying and aeronautics, which was won by such notables as Howard Hughes, a few of our early astronauts etc.
But I can’t dismiss Lane 2-20, two either.
And that got me thinking…what if “lane 222 was another airpstrip we’re looking for–a different one–but similar to the one at Kill Devil Hills? i.e., a small airstrip with the numbers 2 at one end and
22
at the other? That would satisfy the verse without any fudging. It wouldn’t have to be the V matched to P 11, but it just might be something to mark the place whereever it is.  I mean, “Lane 222” was tried as a road, and a street name in several ways, but not as an airstrip…and it occurred to me while doing V11 that an airport is almost an ideal place to bury a casque. There are usually plenty of markers, the ground is usually shovel-friendly, and it would be a lot eaiser than digging in the middle of a city, or in a public park. There are small regioinal airports all over the place. Anyway, it’s just another thought…

The 222 kind of makes sense but how dismissing the other V (sorry, the book was left in the Q) seems pretty concrete to me.  I mean, come on….Dark Forests, words on Kill Devil Hill monument & :
“Octavio Chanute also began his experiments with gliders near Lake Michigan and he began a relationship with two brothers who worked in the construction of bicycles. They were from Dayton, Ohio, and their names were Wilbur and Orville Wright.”
There is “octave” and his 2 friends…
I suppose this should go into the correct V thread but I just wanted to keep the masses on track…

I’m partial to V5 and I2…
You’ll see an arc of lights
I believe you will see an Arc Light (which is a type of light for a Lighthouse) from the location.
There is one on Sullivans Island near Charleston SC and it’s shape matches the shadow outline on the map on the mask. (outline covers part of Charleston near White Point Gardens…)
What else is at White Point Gardens, Charleston, SC?
A wingless bird ascended Born of ancient dreams of flight…
BP has used other literary elements … why not Jules Verne..
In Jules Verne’s novel From the Earth to the Moon, a giant columbiad is constructed the purpose of striking the Moon. Although the cannon is originally designed to fire a hollow aluminum ball, a bullet-shaped projectile is later designed with the purpose of carrying people.
White Point Gardens has a Columbiad.

Hey, where are the hunters? there is a lot of time in silent
I think P2-V5 is a realy match (confirmed by map in the skull)
I was looking for a place where they take off ‘hot air balloons’, near a forest… something as well as (in google map): close to Charleston Wannamaker county park (forest). (not really sure if there in 80´s)
or maybe a big old tree
http://travel.webshots.com/photo/1018586981000403353PLYhGrOiPy
Is just a suggestion. Forgive me if i’m talking nuts
I would like to be there, but I am not resident. It is difficult to follow clues so far being
Go ahead!

(1.Lane)
Road, street, highway.
(2.Two Twenty Two)
220 x 2 = 440 (Maybe route NY440 , NJ440)
(3.You’ll see an arc of lights)
Possibly the Bayonne Bridge its the shape of a Arc and its route NY440 & NJ440 )Or Holland tunnel both is possible.
(4.Weight and roots extended Together saved the site Of granite walls)
The Palisades Interstate Park Commission was created in 1900 by the states of New Jersey and New York to protect the cliffs of the Palisades, an internationally significant geological formation. Palisades Interstate Park, stretching 12 miles north of the George Washington Bridge, was dedicated in 1909. To further protect the Palisades, a narrow strip of land at the summit going west from the edge of the escarpment and running the length of the park, was purchased by John D. Rockefeller and donated to the Commission in 1933. Existing buildings along the summit were removed to return the tree line to its unbroken natural state, followed in 1948 by construction of the Palisades Interstate Parkway, complete with overlooks and service buildings, hidden from view among the trees. The parkway was completed in 1958, since which time the Palisades have stood pristine, surrounded on both the New Jersey and New York sides by some of the densest development in the world.
Hudson Palisades NY/NJ
(5.Wind swept halls)
George Washington Bridge
(6.Citadel in the night)
Little Red Lighthouse In George Washington park (under the bridge)
(7.A wingless bird ascended, Born of ancient dreams of flight)
Destiny was on Commander Frank Erickson ‘s side in December 1943 as he started the world’s first helicopter school at Floyd Bennett Field. Floyd Bennett Field only airfield with alot real Helicopter history.
Bennett Park is really close to the Little Red Lighthouse. Bennet park is build on the old Fort Washington (citadel)
(8.Beneath the only standing member, Of a forest)
?? ??
(9.To the south, White stone closest, At twelve paces , From the west side)
But there is a small white square tile in Bennett Park(The Highest natural point on Manhattan)
There is also a Fort Washington memorial in Bennett Park( Maybe this is 8, the white tile is a little to the south)
Painting clues
76 – 1776 Battle of Fort Washington
Fingers – Maybe the highest point (in Bennet park)
P 1 – President 1? George Washington
Locations:
http://i.imgur.com/eTBZNZp.jpg
Most people look for this one in Canada. I believe alot of Greeks traveled to Cleveland and Irish/Scots to Chicago, i’m from the Netherlands so for me it has to be somewhere in New York. (Canada is also not America thats also why i tried NY)Russian must be chicago maybe san fransico idk . Its just a start maybe its all for nothing but you never know. I hope it gets found with a bit of my help.

Fenix

I did at one time but agree with Nate, it is far and in a very odd place. It could reference the highway though. The 20 was previously the 2 and was called the 2 and 20 or 20 and 2, something like that….going off of memory.

Is it possible that the bowling
Lane
s at
222
are a clue to to look at the Laurentian Autoroute, which runs down through Montreal?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_Autoroute_15#/media/File:Parcours-Autoroute-15.png
In Image 2 there is a relatively clear reference to a road, and in several of the verses (1, 3, 4, 5, 10, 12) there are references to roads leading into the general area of the casque sites.

gManTexas

Is it possible that the bowling
Lane
s at
222
are a clue to to look at the Laurentian Autoroute, which runs down through Montreal?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_Autoroute_15#/media/File:Parcours-Autoroute-15.png
In Image 2 there is a relatively clear reference to a road, and in several of the verses (1, 3, 4, 5, 10, 12) there are references to roads leading into the general area of the casque sites.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thvi_7Y17HY

JoshCornell

How is this video related to the search Josh?

I think it’s the Japanese translation.

short answer: it’s referenced. long answer: you figure it out (obvs cause i’m so useless). that being said, however, it also gets you to oscar peterson…if you care.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nje7TuVJIo
i dunno about you…but i sure wanna go for a run downhill…

JoshCornell

short answer: it’s referenced. long answer: you figure it out (obvs cause i’m so useless). that being said, however, it also gets you to oscar peterson…if you care.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nje7TuVJIo
i dunno about you…but i sure wanna go for a run downhill…

I’ll give you credit for one thing. You sure put a lot of research into this puzzle. Not sure if any of means a damn thing, but an A for effort.

BINGO

I’ll give you credit for one thing. You sure put a lot of research into this puzzle. Not sure if any of means a damn thing, but an A for effort.

I wouldn’t give Josh credit at all. Absolutely nothing Josh has posted has made any progress or helped in any way.

ohhh poor gman… *gives gman a hug* (gman needs a hug, everyone give gman a hug)…you arent touch averse are you? we wouldnt want to trigger you, so best to ask for consent first XD

JoshCornell

ohhh poor gman… *gives gman a hug* (gman needs a hug, everyone give gman a hug)…you arent touch averse are you? we wouldnt want to trigger you, so best to ask for consent first XD

Why do you have to make it weird man? Come to Texas again and I’ll throw you a welcoming party.

gManTexas

I wouldn’t give Josh credit at all. Absolutely nothing Josh has posted has made any progress or helped in any way.

I edited my quote to emphasize the important part of the point I was trying to make…. hehe

I’ve been trying to pin down a line in one of the “remaining” verses that pinpoints Montreal, as I think the lamppost irrefutably puts the image there (though, you may disagree).
A couple of insights I thought I’d share include:
Legeater – George Stephens (of Mount Stephens Club) was the president of the Bank of Montreal
Weight and roots extended / Together saved this site – Plaque on Bank of Montreal Reads “The Stone Fortifications of Ville-Marie extended from Dalhousie Square through this site”
Lane -The equivalent of NYC’s Wall St. is Montreal’s Fortification Lane
Citadel – less than a block north of mount stephen club on Drummond St. is the Salvation Army Citadel, prominently tapped in stone.
This could obviously all just be stupidity, I just though I’d share some interesting connections. I’d sure like to nail down one of those verse/image links, though.

Unknown

Unknown:
Where did that translated fragment come from…?

From Burnstyle’s conversation with a translator:
http://12treasures.com/finaltranslation.mp3
Relevant information begins at 1:07:30. Current discussion, such as it is, can also be found on Page 27 of the “Clues in the Book” thread;
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=7258&start=390
.

Thanks renovator!

you are to look at images first id say cause puzzle is designed in order of images, as they fall.

Where did that translated fragment come from…? Japanese speaker or Google…? (I don’t remember Burnstyle’s or GG’s interpreter providing it.)

not sure this has been mentioned
in elementary school, Orville was given to mischief and was once expelled.[11] In 1878 their father,
who traveled often as a bishop in the Church of the United Brethren in Christ, brought home a
toy “helicopter” for his two younger sons. The device was based on an invention of French aeronautical
pioneer Alphonse Penaud. Made of paper, bamboo and cork with a rubber band to twirl its rotor, it was
about a foot long. Wilbur and Orville played with it until it broke, then built their own.[12] In later
years, they pointed to their experience with the toy as the initial spark of their interest in
flying.[13]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_brothers

something else i forgot to mention
Lane Two twenty two
You’ll see an arc of lights
Weight and roots extended
Together saved the site
could this mean this a, screw-pile lighthouses,
some were just metal structures, in the bay  unattended,
maybe they just had #s not a name
this one was moved
http://www.outerbanks.com/RoanokeMarshesLighthouse/
http://www.outerbanks.org/attractions/h … thouse.asp
more pics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screw-pile_lighthouse
http://www.lighthousekeepers.com/cgi-bi … ;p=0 

cw0909

not sure this has been mentioned
in elementary school, Orville was given to mischief and was once expelled.[11] In 1878 their father,
who traveled often as a bishop in the Church of the United Brethren in Christ, brought home a
toy “helicopter” for his two younger sons. The device was based on an invention of French aeronautical
pioneer Alphonse Penaud. Made of paper, bamboo and cork with a rubber band to twirl its rotor, it was
about a foot long. Wilbur and Orville played with it until it broke, then built their own.[12] In later
years, they pointed to their experience with the toy as the initial spark of their interest in
flying.[13]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_brothers

I really like this idea tying in the Wright brothers invention of flight being “born of ancient dreams…”
but….
what happened to the other V tying into the brothers with the mention of “2 friends of Octave.”?  It will be hard to convince me of a different V referring to the Wrights…

Unknown

Unknown:
Case in point… How can P2 go anywhere but Charleston?

Awwww, geee guys!! [Sallyfieldvoice] You like me! You really like me![/sallyfieldvoice]  Hee hee….
Well, okay….but but but but….
See, here’s what I think: that when you get all wrapped around something, you fail to see new things–or different things. Not that there’s anyone here like that—(me included) but…
When Fox said:
Well, that’s JUST my point!
Before I’d finished reading the threads, when I was fairly new here, I decided to pick that Picture apart and see what I came up with, and I found a whole idea that had not been explored, and actually worked! Of course, most people here are wedded to the idea that P. 2 depicts Charleston. But it can also depict the entire Niagara Falls area–and that even includes the map. Yes. Check it out. It really CAN fit.
Not only that but the Pear can stand for the main fruit crop in the NF area, (it is famous for its pear wine); the butterfly could stand for the butterfly conservatory and the wings have “whirlpools” on them, the girl’s crossed arms symbolize the bridge, the lion stands for Lyon’s Creek Parkway, the mask with the two symbols (stripes on one side, stars on the other) could be a symbol for the two countries that NF straddles, the three vertical lines under the eye of one mask is a symbol for water, (especially cascading water), the clock could symbolize the floral clock—–and that’s just the Picture!
The verse I used was Verse 10. “in the shadow of the grey giant:” the falls themselves are the grey giant. “Find the arm that extends over the narrow path” was referring to either one of the bridges, or the slender arm of the observation tower, which does indeed extend over a narrow path. “In summer you’ll often hear a whirring sound” means the helicopters and aerocar that only operate in summer.  “Cars abound” yes they do–there is a parking area right next to the falls and river that extends for quite a long ways. “although the sign nearby speaks of Indies native” was the sign that referred to Jose Maria Heredia, an epic poet from Cuba.  He wrote an epic poem called, “Niagara.”  He is also the “Rhapsodic Man” spoken of later—rhapsodic in this case referring to epic poetry. “The natives still speak of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.” was this:  This is talking about Jacques Cartier. Him of “hard” word—Cartier is also a well-known diamond merchant. Diamonds are the hardest substance known.  So “hard word” becomes diamond word becomes Cartier!  And it is well known that Cartier explored the region and probably named the falls and the river.
The 3 Vols
—three vols is not VOLUMES. It’s not books or quantities. It’s literally, VOLS. That’s a french word meaning “Flights”.  THREE FLIGHTS. Flights are steps, stairs, or
trips
. Cartier made three trips to the region, three trips to the new world.  The “natives still speak of him” and they do indeed. He’s written in all the literature. As well as being the biggest thing to have hit the region since the natives (both native populations AND the current denizens) have lived there.
Then, “take twice as many east steps as the hour or more”–very ambiguous here–but the hour in the picture is TWO, and the steps would therefore be FOUR…I do not believe he really means individual steps. But that’s up for debate. “From the middle of one branch of the v”: either the v is the river itself, or it is the Queen Victoria Parkway…or maybe just a branching path. I could not tell without being there. “Look down (what you sort of HAVE to do at the falls–that’s literally where all the action is!)  and see simple roots in rhapsodic man’s soil”: well, again, I think you’d have to be there to figure this out properly, but certainly the rhapsodic man has been identified here.  “Or gaze north toward the isle of B”  BIRD Island. And yes, it’s north.
So you see?  All these things FIT–as well as other things. And this is exactly what I was talking about. I was certain this P. and V. were the Canadian casque location–and I’m still not convinced they AREN’T! (The verse especially fits well.)
As for Milwaukee, I have no doubt that the casque is in Milwaukee, even in Lake Park. But I think we’re exploring the
wrong part of the park.
That’s the issue I have. I’m not doubting the rest.
I have absolutely NO DOUBTS about FOY Park for 6+9. The “SELOY” anacrostic clinched it for me beyond a shadow of doubt. Would that the rest were that clear!
Now N.O.–P. 7?, that’s a different story. You can make just as good a case for St. Louis out of that image. My points for that one are in the appropriate thread. We can’t even agree on the right V. for that P. Some say 7, some say 2. ALong with P. 9, it’s the worst of the bunch for pinning down.
I will review once again the thread for V. 3 for “Mace.” I don’t recall it.
Anyway, that’s my devils’ advocating for the day. I regret that I probably will not be on this forum much in the coming week—I have to go to Harrisburg PA for a conference. I wish we had a V 0r P for Harrisburg. I’d scour the city!
And thanks, guys, for complimenting me–and yes–even for the criticism. It sparks good debate.

forest_blight

shecrab, if you visit that link I posted, you’ll see three more definitions of “pace.”

Oh…so it’s
five
feet. Then I stand (or walk) corrected. I remember reading somewhere that it was 3 feet, but I couldn’t tell you where or when. Okay, then not 36 feet, but 60. Thanks for posting the link.

Unknown

Unknown:
plume (n.) late 14c., “a feather” (especially a large and conspicuous one), from Old French plume “soft feather, down;
feather bed,” and directly from Latin pluma “a feather, down; the first beard,” from PIE root *pleus- “to pluck;
a feather, fleece” (cf. Old English fleos “fleece”). Meaning “
a long streamer of smoke, etc.
” is first attested 1878

Verse 5. Image 6
Lane
Joseph Lane (1801 – 1881), 1st Governor of Oregon Territory
Two twenty-two
Highway, No.2 and Exit, No.22.
Turn at this sign and head up to the Chanticleer Point/Portland Women’s Forum site.
You’ll see an arc of lights
Crown Point Vista House sits on an arc promontory which is well lit at night.  Here is what it looks like when viewed from my proposed casque location:
Here’s a poor quality photo I snapped as I passed the Exit 22 ahead sign coming from the east at night, it looks more like a ufo picture, but it shows that the lights are seen from a good distance along the stretch below which makes this line more of a visual marker.
Weight and roots extended
This 50-ton boulder honors Sam Hill (and Sam Lancaster) at the Portland Women’s Forum which offers the best view of the Crown Point Vista House.
Together saved the site
Large sign with the word “FORUM”  “place of assembly [ancient Rome]” “gather together”
Of granite walls
Wind swept halls
Citadel in the night  See the Crown Point Vista House.  Houses have halls.  Citadel as castle i.e. crown.
I’ve selected this historical photo because I love the staircase.
A wingless bird ascended
Birds may not all have wings, but they all have plumage.  Volcanoes have no wings but may have plumes as they wake from dormancy.
Born of ancient dreams of flight
A volcano’s dream came true on May 18th, 1980.
Beneath the only standing member
Of a forest
A single tree, nearby, stands directly in front of the treasure ground.
To the south
White stone closest
A white capped mountain peak stands over one of the ring stones, none of which are white.
I love and also hate the fact that there is an intervening hill, tree line, and cloud barrier between the mountain peak and this stone.  I had to take a compass reading and look at a map to find the precise location of the mountain peak from this spot.
At twelve paces
From the west side
Puts you exactly between 50-ton boulder and the big tree and inside the ring of stones.
Get permission
To dig out.
The sign that says “Portland Women’s Forum” does have an image of Mount Hood’s white cap.  I still have to weigh the consideration that this could be the indicator used to locate the white stone rather than finding the actual location of the Mountain.  I personally think the compass orienteering idea is way cooler and mildly challenging.  It only takes a compass and map. It isn’t as hard as people think.  Using a map to find any location shouldn’t be made out as hard as people make it sound.
Anyways, here’s a point of comparison, the State Park shield emblem and an actual photo of Mount Hood from a popular campsite.
Anyways, everyone still seems overly persuaded that image 6 is FOY.  Anyone’s solution process (for FOY or even this Corbett site) might seem random based on how it’s presented.  All I’ve seen from careful review of the threads is a mostly random choosing and matching of “selling points” for FOY.  I can’t outright disagree with it, but I can offer a not-so-random set of my own “selling points” for the Corbett site.  It’s not so random because at each juncture there isn’t really a selection of options, there is just THE option provided you actually comprehend some basic interpretive points.  There’s a Lane that points to a region.  There’s a Highway and exit number narrowing this location.  There’s a widely recognized and nationally known historic landmark feature within immediate view, Crown Point Vista house.  There’s a 1:1 compatibility with the image for rock-top = rock-top, flag pole = tree trunk, and silhouette of river below = river below.  The whole Spanish explorer thing also works, but I like the 1st Governor of a newly explored region best; both Lane and Ponce have that same distinction.

I like your NASA idea.  I first thought about “The Citadel” but figured that would be toooo easy.  Military/NASA/some academy? makes sense with the last 2 lines.

Wow.  I see your point Fox.  Pine Tree, that makes this Durant guy a great find.  FB, Washington St!!  Who’s coming out here to dig?
Ok, we still have to nail the image.  But you
can
take this verse and find that casque.  The first ten lines gives us Battery Park. No doubt here.  The rest of the verse will get you to the X.  I would feel funny doing it without nailing the image.  I like image12.  Am I thinking to hard, looking for things that aren’t in the pic?  I don’t know yet.  I can’t see another image relating to this whatsoever.  There are some strong points for Vancouver.  We’re very close.
.

Siskel

Now on to Lower Manhattan.  Egbert came across the aerial photo of Ellis Island and it looked too good to be true.  Given the theme of the book, it seemed natural that the center of immigration in this country would have some tie in to the location of a hidden casque.  We started out by taking the ferry from Battery Park and Castle Clinton (the whirring sound in the summer?).  The approach to Ellis Island seemed promising as you can see in the photos as the tops of the great immigration hall look similar to the image that seems to point to some onion shaped domed structure.  As we pulled into the docking area that is a direct match for the rectangle in the picture, we passed points in the water where only three of the tower tops were visible and more closely resembled the illustrated shape in image 12.  Once docked, we were surprised to see the great windows on the central building – arch shaped and similar to the shape containing image 12.  There are three such windows, each one made up of a grid type structure.  In between each such window, at the very top, stands a statue of an eagle.  The face is distinctly similar to the bird illustation in image 12, which is sure to be a statue of some origin, whether it is from the Chrysler building as has been suggested, or here on Ellis Island.  Combined with the face of the Lady Liberty, there seemed to be an awful lot of clues pointing to Ellis Island.  That much said, there are some obvious problems.  Continued …

Well, I would just kick myself if there is a treasure in Battery Park.
Siskel and I spent several hours there, examining all the sights referred to above.  Siskel had a number of very good thoughts about it, and posted them in the Image 12 thread.  We were thinking that NYC was a combination of Image 12 and Verse 10.  Rather than trying to paraphrase him, here are his (somewhat verbose) notes:

Siskel

Continued … I agree with Willhouse’s earlier post that it is hard to imagine BP digging on the island at ANY time given its historic nature.  On top of that, half the island has been closed off for many years, leaving less of an area for him to have buried the casque and more of a chance of his getting caught during the digging process.  Also, there is no way you would be allowed to dig on that island now and I would venture to guess that was the case in the early 80’s as well, no matter how different a world it may have been.  Still, with so many clues pointing to this general area of lower Manhattan, we thought the image might be highlighting the lower tip of the island and headed back for a look around Battery Park.  First thing we noticed is that Battery Park would be a far easier place to dig.  It is quite expansive and better suited for a private digging session.  Not far from Castle Clinton is the Marine Memorial made up of monoliths surrounding a giant eagle.  The head of the bird (see pix) is not too similar to the one in image 12, which in turn got us thinking again about that damn bird.  It is clearly a bird of prey, but is it an eagle?  The beak is rounded and enlarged, but the feet are more reminiscent of a falcon or a hawk, as eagles have much more pronounced feet and claws.  The bird in the image seems to bear more of a resemblance to a bird used in falconry, especially in the area of the lower extremeties.  And why is it white?  Because it is a statue?  Or are we looking for a white bird?  Anyway, the Marine eagle left us wondering more about that bird and its relevance, which seems extremely significant.  Proceeding further along the water we came up to “Pier A” which juts out into the water just off the coastline and in plain sight of Ellis Island (could this have something to do with Johan’s earlier observation of the large “A” in the water?)  “Pier A” is a fairly famous area and at the very end is a large clock which looked for an instant like the one in image 12, roman numerals and all.  However, upon closer inspection, we could not detect the small circles at the ends of the hands of the clock as depicted in the illustration so not sure it is a perfect match.  We then headed over to the dutch flag pole at the tip of Battery Park in search of a “sign nearby that speaks of Indies Native.”  The base of the monument mentions the purchase of New York by Peter Minuit who was affiliated with the Dutch East Indies Co. (I believe the story portion of the book also references his purchase of Manhattan Island from the Canarsie Indian tribe in exchange for some glass baubles – could the three droplets under the lady rising from the water be the glass baubles and not merely water droplets at all?)  Next we walked to the nearest corner only 40 yards from the flag pole and we stood at the vortex of the intersection where Broadway comes to meet West Street (not 100% certain of the name of the intersecting street, sorry).  It forms a V at this very spot and if you look north, up Broadway, you could say you are gazing north toward the isle (aisle – play on words?) of B (Broadway?) which might explain the reference to the simple roots in Rhapsodic man’s soil by tying in Gershwin to Broadway.  Might be stretching here, but just offering some general observations.  Continued once more …

More from Siskel:

Siskel

Continued once more …
Anyway, we walked across the intersection and north on Broadway.  We immediately came to Bowling Green, the first park dedicated in Manhattan.  It is comparatively small and at its northern most tip stands the Wall Street Bull.  Not that the bronzed statue has anything to do with the hunt and I am not even sure when it was erected, but it is worth noting that when standing at this spot and looking due north, the isle of B ultimately draws your eye to a single building in the distance – the only such building visible on the horizon – the Chysler Building (perhaps significant due to the eagle gargoyles that surround the upper portion of this skyscraper and which bear a striking resemblance to our illustrated bird).  I tried to enlarge the picture to demonstrate this fact, but was not very successful, but take my word for it, it is eerily prominant and singularly visible in the distance.  Also worth noting was a sign attached to the fence around Bowling Green (which is also next to a Subway stop – “Cars abound?” or is that just a reference to the sheer volume of traffic at this point?).  I tried to take a picture of it but what it speaks to is the fact that this area was famous for sightings of the Peregrine Falcon (back to that damn bird again) a bird of prey that is bordering on extinction.  The sign indicated that this spot was popular for viewing this rare bird.  While it is doubtful this sign was posted back in 1982, the history may well have been known.  Also, while the Peregrine Falcon’s lower appendeges look more similar to our fine feathered friend in image 12, its beak is quite less pronounced leaving us with a hawklike cross between a falcon and an eagle.  Should be noted that the Peregrine Falcon has a close cousin that is all white, the Gyrfalcon, also pretty rare, but more similar in its look to the one in the picture, however this bird is more closely associated with the arctic region unfortunately.  Some other tidbits that drew us to this area included the reference to the “natives still speak of him of Hard word in three vols.” which thus far Egbert believes might refer to Charles Dickens (author of Hard Times which, when written, was divided into three novellas) who visited lower manhattan in the 1860s and came to witness firsthand the area nearby known as the immigrant slum the Five Points (the model for the movie the Gangs of New York).  Another possibility might be an additional reference to Netherlands born Peter Stuyvesant, a harsh ruler (“Hard word?”) and autocrat, especially intolerant of religious dissenters.  He served as director general of New Netherland from 1646-1664 and lost New Netherland to England.  New Amsterdam became New York and Stuyvesant spent the rest of his life on his Manhattan farm called “Bouwerie” in Dutch; the road leading to Stuyvesant’s farm is now the Bowery in Manhattan.  Finally, Egbert and I ventured up to 97th Street, near Central Park, to see the most famous Russian Orthodox Onion Dome church in all of Manahattan, the St. Nicholas Cathedral (again, see pix).  As you can see, the domes are very similar to those depicted in image 12, leading us to believe that the structure is more likely a cathedral and not necessarilly the immigration center on Ellis Island.  Still, that said, there is no other nearby corresponding sites or signs that seem to relate to Image 12 or the verse we were trying to match it to in verse 10.  Frustrating to say the least.  And that is not to mention our inability to find a single stained glass window that bore any resemblance to those three colored panels which, as has been posted before, seem more and more to be a reference to those color blind tests, but without revealing anything hidden within.  In the end, we were unable to narrow our search to a specific area in Manhattan and may have raised more questions than found answers, but we wanted to at least post the pictures with some elaborate explanation for those not able to travel to this area and/or to spark some more discussion for those locals and those far away in attempting to figure out this maddening picture.  Thats all for now.  Hope it was helpful.

Final installment from Siskel:

boogieman – I would come if I could afford it! Given that you are going back, I have some requests.
1. Can you take some pictures of – and from – Washington Street? I recommend walking its length (it’s quite short – only a block long) and looking for
anything
suggestive of an arc of lights. Be ready to think outside the box here – it could be a play on words, or perhaps a metaphor (like “wingless bird ascended” might refer to a balloon).
2. Can you take pictures of this thing? I mean, what the heck
is
it? It is just southeast of Castle Clinton.
3. Look for what “white stone” might refer to. It should be 12 paces west of something that could be described as “the only standing member of a forest.” I believe this “white stone” business is what nails the X that marks the spot for this verse.
4. Finally, be on the lookout for something reminiscent of the pebbly patterns in the window in P12.

Some things for your next trip, in no particular order:
1.  I agree that the first part of the poem gets you nicely to Battery Park and that the remaining lines seem to give clearer directions, once you’re at the right spot.
2.  Check out the following website.  It has lots of detail on most of the monuments, including dates of installation.  Many of them post-date The Secret.
http://www.thebattery.org/
3.  I’d focus on finding something that fit “beneath the only standing member…of a forest…to the south”.  Remember, though, that we’re not really sure how to read this yet.  Is it “beneath the only standing member of a forest to the south”, or are they three (or two) distinct phrases.  Keep your mind open on this.  From the evidence in White Point Gardens (Charleston), we might also consider that these lines may be quote fragments from monuments, as opposed to descriptors.
4.  The aforementioned website indicates that there have been extensive changes to Battery Park in the last few years.  Among the gardens and public areas, unfortunately, it appears that there has been much change.
5.  When you go, make sure to bring your copy of Image 9.  I know this isn’t your (boogieman’s) first choice of Image, but keep your eyes peeled for the unusual “X” mark or “dog-leg” on Mr. 9’s cloak.  The dog and the leg may be separated in real life — like two elements of the same sign, blended on the Image.
Pine

Forest,
I’m pretty sure that’s a ventilation shaft for the Brooklyn-Battery tunnel.
(edit:  I actually meant the South Street tunnel.  Looking at the maps, this shaft is closer to the apparent path of that tunnel than the Brooklyn-Battery one.  It’s also smaller than the one on Governor’s Island.  Anyway, this tunnel name does contain the word “South”, like the poem.  Might be a good thing to look around, and see if you can figure out “the only standing member…of a forest…to the south” deal from this.)
(edit edit:  What I’m calling the South Street tunnel is really called the Battery Park Underpass.  Sorry)
Pine

Pine_Tree

Forest,
I’m pretty sure that’s a ventilation shaft for the Brooklyn-Battery tunnel.
Pine

windy

here is another one FB
something keeps telling me to look around here…..dont know why tho….
-Boogieman….my one suggestion would be to take your book with you and keep reading the V over and over.  Focus on the last 2 lines of the V:  “Get permission To dig out.”  As you walk around, keep asking yourself WHERE or WHY would you need permission?  Sounds like it is going to be in a special place…not simply under the 5th tree to the south past the green park bench,etc…  Maybe you dont need “permission” but keep asking yourself why BP used this word.  Another play on words?… per-Mission? not quite sure…

Good thought, fox. BP probably didn’t mean “get permission” literally.

only standing member
According to the New World Dictionary of the American Language, variations of the word
member
.
1. a part or organ of a human or animal body part. (thats a good one, no statues of a penis there) 2. a part of a plant considered with regard to structure or position rather than function. 3. a distinct part or element of a whole, as of a mathematical equation, a sentence, a
syllogism
, a series, a building, a bridge etc. 4.a person belonging to some association.  5. a member of Congress, Parliment, House of Reps.
standing
: -noun 1. the act or position of something that stands. 2. a place to stand. 3. status, postion, rank, or reputation.
4. duration or lenght of service, existance, or membership  -adj 1. that stands.  2. done or made in or from a standing position.
3. not flowing; stagnant, as water. 4. going on regularly without change; lasting, permanent.  5. stationary; not movable.
6.  not in use; idle, as a machine.
syllogism
: 1. an arguement or form of reasoning in which two statements or premises are made and a logical conclusion drawn from them. 2.reasoning from the general to the particular; deductive logic. 3. an instance of subtle tricky, or specious reasoning.
There you have it.  All verses can be solved with a single dictionary. LOL  Some very tangy food for thought.
edit:  all requests will be vigorously investigated. Maybe my old buddy Keylime will asisst.

Permission – the act of giving a formal authorization [syn: license, permit]
usually written?  maybe there is a plaque or monument giving the city of NY permission to dig or expand on the site to build Battery Park….or
something like that.  Maybe we {the hunters} dont need permission to dig…maybe it is a formal permission to the city or some other entity?

Unknown

Unknown:
now the Bowery in Manhattan.  Finally, Egbert and I ventured up to 97th Street, near Central Park, to see the most famous Russian Orthodox  In the end, we were unable to narrow our search to a specific area in Manhattan and may have raised more questions than found answers, but we wanted to at least post the pictures with some elaborate explanation for those not able to travel to this area and/or to spark some more discussion for those locals and those far away in attempting to figure out this maddening picture.  Thats all for now.  Hope it was helpful.

This is exactly what I was trying to say a few posts ago.  Clearly, it is unavoidable.  The
Secret
was meant to intentionally confuse.  I’m glad you posted this Egg, because on Saturday, while I was standing by Bowling Green looking beyond the Bull, I saw a tall building with atleast one onion dome and the other thing next to it on the roof, wasn’t quite an onion dome , but something with a little more of a point to it.  They were green.  Did you see that?  Because that reminded me of image 12 where the 3 domes are, the one to the right looks a little different.
Anyway, I will include that in my photo session when I go back.  Just watching the weather.
edit: I will post when I will be back at the park. I welcome anyone who would like to join me.
Also, here is the inscription of
granite
walls.
http://newyorkinphotos.com/cgi-bin/thum … r_Memorial

I went back to Fort Moultrie Friday and spoke with the girl working the desk at the time. She remembered that there was a hunt going on, but didn’t remember the book or the author…Anyway, I asked the following:
Where are the property lines/boundaries of the Fort?
They are basically the tree lines (I’m not going to plot this out…everyone here following this for this area probably already knows) surrounding the fort. (I was interested in the West side by Station 12 street, but that was pretty cut and dry. The vague part was her trying to explain the boundary around Poe/Hennessey Street…THAT I will have to ask again if anyone is interested…)
Are parts of the Fort privately owned?
She seemed to think/know that it was all owned by the historic/park service.
Are or were any part of Fort Moultrie’s walls granite?
No. One was palmetto logs, and the others were brick and sand (masonry). She was adamant on not being granite.
At this point, she wasn’t too thrilled about the questioning, but was friendlier when I asked about their volunteer program.

So at this point, here’s my opinion on why Verse 5 is NOT Charleston, SC. (And for more than one reason, I had hoped this site worked out…)
Lane
– I could never find a good fit for this for here, and it’s one of the major points of the verse to getting the initial location correct. This just never set right with me.
Two twenty two
– Same as above. Some of the Station St. signs mentioned “22 To…” but this wasn’t how the verse was worded. Still didn’t get that “good feeling”.
You’ll see an arc of lights
– This I could have seen as a fit, but it didn’t click. If we get specific, there is only one lighthouse on the island, and if I’m not mistaken, it only has a single lamp. True, someone could see an arc of light, but it implies that you will see plural…lights.
Weight and roots extended
Together saved the site
– These lines were a great fit to me due to the palmetto logs famously saving the site of Moultrie during battle. Loved this fit for Moultrie.
Of granite walls
– Same as above for this one until the NPS worker confirmed that no part of Moultrie was granite. This was part of the ‘deal breaker’ for me for this site/verse combo.
Wind swept halls
– Fits into the structural lines above…I like that it had night/ominous theme (Poe) to the site. Also fits great when read with the next line. This is a very flexible line.
Citadel in the night
– Being the first word in the line means that it might or might not be a proper noun. For this site, I assumed that Citadel was proper, and a link to the Citadel Military College on the peninsula. Maybe not. It also doesn’t follow with the whole “verse gives you directions once you are in the immediate area”. The Citadel would be
back
across the river once you have followed the other directions on SI.
A wingless bird ascended
Born of ancient dreams of flight
– I was always partial to how these lines could have fit with the “Balloon Hoax” written by Poe. Obviously could refer to many other things.
Beneath the only standing member
Of a forest
To the south
– I always read these three lines as together. There is a patch of trees south of the Fort.
White stone closest
– Could be many things. Was always on board with the geoditic survey marker but could be many things.
At twelve paces
From the west side
– I read these together. And in context of many of the theoretical “white stones” that are proposed, many are not plausible due to being in a road, under the rock barrier, etc…
Get permission
To dig out.
– I don’t see why these lines would not go together. Permission could be private land, or historic property, however, since we are playing with historic property on potentially other sites, this would more strongly suggest private property (to me anyway).
That’s my $0.02. If anyone can rule my ‘eliminations’ here out, I’m all ears.

JamesV

Choice, were you able to find a date for those two photos of Union Square? I’ve been looking at an I1/V6 combo for San Francisco, with a possible dig spot directly beneath the Victory column, but it looks like that plaza’s undergone a lot of renovation.

Here are the available digital photos on SF library website sorted by date for Union Square:
https://tinyurl.com/y7tp4fqn

I’m standing at the oak on the grounds of the NOMA right now and taking pictures.

Glossiphoniidae

So, typically when new theories or new interpretations of the commonly recognized clues are proffered, there is no shortage of postings about why the theory will not work. Not that this is a bad thing, there are just many ways in which the theories can be seen as biased interpretations of the individual offering the theory, or too subjective or intangible.
So far, nobody has come forward with any objections to my theory or proposed interpretations. I am not sure if this is a sign of the simplicity and straighforwardness of my offerings, or that most of you are bored with the hunt. What’s up?

I think you should continue to explore this idea.  However, I am not quite sold on it.  Please – please – do not think that I am criticizing.  I am just hoping that this gets us thinking.  Here is my two (no pun intended) cents:
1.  Lane Two =  Tulane is clever, and I like it.  However, Tulane is not exactly near the Park.  There is also a Tulane Avenue, which is closer to the park, but still not very near it.
2.  You never really explain the Twenty Two part.  I do not believe that it just means “duality” – the number 22 or 222 does not mean “duality” to me.  Perhaps the 22 refers to something else.
3.  I like the WTO and OTW that you found, but I do not see how it helps, and it could just be a coincidence.  SELOY in the St. Augustine verse actually helped, since it gave us additional information that we were in the right place.
4.  Can 2 trees really be considered a forest?  “The only standing member of a forest” does not strike me as 1 tree left out of 2.  BP could have said “The only standing member of a time long ago,” or something like that.
5.  I love the “paces” reference if it really is the dueling tree.  Good catch, there.
6.  I can buy “arc of lights” as the City Park entranceway.
7.  I would think that “a wingless bird ascended born of ancient dreams of flight” refers to a hot air balloon or a zeppelin.  It is a bit of a stretch to think that BP is referring to the wings, without the bird.  The wings that you point out, unless I am missing something, do not explain the “born of ancient dreams of flight” reference.
8.  As for the clock hands, your image which shows that the long hand lines up with the dueling oak, is a mirror image, not the actual image.  I know it goes with your duality theory, but to me, that seems like a force fit.  I like that the small hand with the circle on it seems to look like one of the roads, but that road is not near the dueling oak.  The arrow pointing towards the N also looks like an intersection in the park, as you point out, but there could be many intersections which look like that.
9.  Some lines are still not explained, such as the “weight and roots extended together saved the site.”  I read that the city anchored the tree limbs to keep it together, so that could be the reference that you are looking for.  Still, a slight stretch.
10.  I did not see the “granite walls” reference explained.  I could buy the “wind swept halls” reference referring to the outdoor bandstand, but “halls” is plural.
11.  Did we ever explain the Citadel reference?
Don’t be mad!  Just giving you some things to chew on.

Allard grave
http://neworleanshistorical.org/items/show/110
“In September 2011, the CPIA removed the grave after sonar imaging of the grave site determined the crypt to be empty.”
http://www.websitesneworleans.com/newor … /id33.html

An interesting thesis on the myth of the tomb under the oak:
http://scholarworks.uno.edu/cgi/viewcon … context=td

cw0909

four, do i have this right, you are going to dig, west of where this old rock wall was
on the left is tree area
http://goo.gl/maps/GwmfI
this img is south of tree
http://goo.gl/maps/RZ0cZ
info on img,taken 2009, uploaded 2011
https://ssl.panoramio.com/photo/62104146
pdf about some of the markers
http://www.neworleanscitypark.com/asset … cument.pdf

Below are the three spots I’d like to prod… Dig order would be red, orange, pink.
red – directly between the MM marker and the trunk, 12 paces from each.
orange – 12 paces to the true west of the first white stone on the table.
pink – 12 paces true south of the trunk, next to the west side of the table.
as you know, the table is gone.

That red spot certainly seems like the logical spot.
Too bad the white stone is not 12 paces west of the tree, which is where the verse seems to be saying.
However, as I learned from Verse 4, “right to left” could mean “left to right.”
One other note is the line “BENEATH the only standing member of a forest….,” which would seem to mean that it is directly next to the tree.  However, this tree is so big, 12 paces from the trunk could still be beneath the branches.
What a confusing bunch of lines!

Egbert

That red spot certainly seems like the logical spot.
Too bad the white stone is not 12 paces west of the tree, which is where the verse seems to be saying.
However, as I learned from Verse 4, “right to left” could mean “left to right.”
One other note is the line “BENEATH the only standing member of a forest….,” which would seem to mean that it is directly next to the tree.  However, this tree is so big, 12 paces from the trunk could still be beneath the branches.
What a confusing bunch of lines!

Yeah… confusion abounds. I would argue that the “Beneath…” line doesn’t necessary mean it is directly under the tree, rather it is the starting spot of the exact directions (i.e., Go to beneath the tree; then go to the white stone closest; then go 12 paces from the west side of the stone.)
You are also right about being “beneath” the tree… it is massive.
Alternatively, “to the south” could be added to go beneath the tree, go 12 paces due south to the white stone that is on the true west side of the table.
Or, it could mean go to the first (closest) stone you get to on the table when going true south of the trunk. Then go 12 paces true west.
Or, if you turn the image, you could perform some of these visa versa.

Unknown

Unknown:
orange – 12 paces to the true west of the first white stone on the table

four maybe it is/was end to end of the brick structure , im betting there was prob 12 brick
from end to end on 2 sides of that structure, maybe there is a depression in the ground
from where it stood, here is a good img, still its hard to count the bricks though
http://img.groundspeak.com/waymarking/l … 09c693.JPG

i wonder if this thing sticking out of ground
http://goo.gl/maps/ItDMe
is the same thing sticking out of ground near the structure
http://goo.gl/maps/brq7u

i just thought the structure was an old well house
Allard Grave underneath the branches of the Dueling Oak.
Image courtesy of Larry Tucei and the Native Trees Society.
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http://neworleanshistorical.org/items/s … ua3r9Io600
Grave of Louis Allard in City Park in New Orleans Louisiana in the 1930s
http://louisdl.louislibraries.org/cdm/r … WP/id/4009

anyone know what this 2 is about,near the tree
http://goo.gl/maps/kSDxW
some kind of #ing system, a 1 in the foreground, a 3 in the background, 4 in middle
and the 2 i showed
http://goo.gl/maps/irOsT

Of granite walls
Wind swept halls
Citadel in the night
A wingless bird ascended
Born of ancient dreams of flight
Could this be Storyland stuff…? Like the castle…
…and the rocket; connects with Armstrong/moon/stars.

Interesting find… statue of Henry Timrod in Washington Square led me to find he admired William Simms, who has a statue in WPG. Timrod and other fellow writers and poets looked up to Simms and called him Father Abbot. Edgar Allan Poe called him the best writer of the time.
Abbot being the first letters of several lines in this verse. Same as the Seloy reference for NOLA.
Also he wrote a book called “Slavery in America and Father Abbott”
Regards,
Mac

Also of interest… he wrote a book called “The Cassique of Kiawah”
Regards,
Mac

Macfos

Interesting find… statue of Henry Timrod in Washington Square led me to find he admired William Simms, who has a statue in WPG. Timrod and other fellow writers and poets looked up to Simms and called him Father Abbot. Edgar Allan Poe called him the best writer of the time.
Abbot being the first letters of several lines in this verse. Same as the Seloy reference for NOLA.

That’s rad, good find

Any results from the inspection of the Fort?
FWIW, the more I mulled it over the more
I really like L’ON AVENUE.

We are going tomarrow.  We plan to pretty much spend all day in search of the casque.  We have 4 foot 1/8 inch steel poles for probing the sandy earth, and will be bringing shovels as well.  Wish us luck.
EDIT:  What is FWIW?  Just trying to update my knowledge of internet slang.

Good luck (fingers crossed)!
FWIW = for what it’s worth

Unknown

Unknown:
“Citadel in the night”
could be FORT Tryon Park or Castle Clinton in
Battery Park

I’m not too sure about Fort Tryon Park for this reason only.  It appears to be a huge park (very nice for burying something) but as far as I can tell…is devoid of any sculptures or statues.  As stated in another thread, I feel
PARKS
should be our main focus .. and ones with statues needed for confirmers and directions.
Battery Park, on the other hand, seems promising.  An interesting side note on Battery Park (hey, that is BP..Mr. Preiss?) is this…  While doing a little research on the park, it turns out that there is a Battery Park not only in NY but also in Charleston SC…another possible site.

MrBackstop

Lane
Two twenty two
The beginning of this verse has baffled me. There has to be some creative importance that made BP start with this clue. I believed I’ve figured it out.
Growing up in the 60s, 70s and 80s, we were always told that the United States was going to convert back to the metric system to be like the rest of the word when it came to weights and measures. As a Jr High student (7th grade) I thought this was crazy. Why would we go back to a system we left 200 years ago, I thought…..but I digress. Point is, we studied the metric system for years and never used it…..miles, meters, gallons, liters, whatever.
It got me to thinking that perhaps BP remembered those years of the metric system being shoved down our throats, and decided to be creative with a clue to the roads in Montreal.
I kept running into articles referencing the Kings Hwy and how important this path in Montreal. Today this road is Rue Sherbrooke or Quebec Route 138. Where I believe the creative part comes in is this, ….if 222 is kilometers, how many miles are in 222 kilometers? You got it,….138. Coincidence? Perhaps but incredibly coincidental when you consider that Quebec Route 138 (Kings Hwy) runs through Montreal.
Route 138 goes between the Olympic Village and Olympic Park, continues down thru the city in front of the Mount and is a block away from the George Stephen House and 2 blocks from the Montreal Forum. Keep in mind in the Image, the PX7 box is the 1st block on the right and the Leg Eater is the 2nd block.
Let’s chew on this like a Leg Eater.

are you kidding me? you realize i already fully explained this right? lol
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=7287&hilit=+sherbrooke

and you got the logic wrong, the highway goes from windsor on to halifax, and was named the two, later changed to the twenty and called the two and the twenty (as pointed out by fenix) which gives you the starting location at the corner of peel and sherbrooke, and you take that to the isle at the racetrack via the bike path along the harbourfront. i mean…do you guys not read what i do here…i released the entire damn map succinctly for you lol. also i go back this week to finish checking the spot.

JoshCornell

and you got the logic wrong, the highway goes from windsor on to halifax, and was named the two, later changed to the twenty and called the two and the twenty (as pointed out by fenix) which gives you the starting location at the corner of peel and sherbrooke, and you take that to the isle at the racetrack via the bike path along the harbourfront. i mean…do you guys not read what i do here…i released the entire damn map succinctly for you lol. also i go back this week to finish checking the spot.

Josh my man, it’s so good to have you back. I mean, yes, we do read what you do here…..many of us just don’t agree with your interpretation of the Verse or Image. I know that’s hard for someone of your expertise to believe but that’s how it is.
Sherbrooke ties together the pieces of the image with the Verse and shows a strong correlation to the events surrounding the ’76 Olympic Games.
And Josh I understand that you don’t agree with me on this, that’s okay. But let me ask you this, ” What balloon are you talking about that you interpret as the “wingless bird”?”

Opal, October, Olympics, Olympic Park, Olympic Stadium ( known as the Big O and the Big Owe ), Ovoid Shape of Olympic Stadium, Order ( Cosmos birth flower for October ), ’67, ’76, ’77….. So a couple of you guys really don’t think this has anything to do with Olympic Park?
Olympic Park is the Citadel.

Unknown

Unknown:
the Citadel is the Citadel

That would make it an exception in “Verse Speak”. Other than common nouns such as bridge, road, or fence to name three examples, that level of specificity usually means at least one degree of separation from the most likely interpretation. Like “Congress”. And “Twain”. On the other hand, the Salvation Army Citadel (sold in 2007) is only a block north of the George Stephen House (of “legeater” fame) and that is probably not a coincidence.

WHY I’M SURE THAT V.5 IS REFERRING TO KITTY HAWK AND THE WRIGHT BROTHER’S MEMORIAL NATIONAL PARK:
Lane
Two twenty two
:
At the memorial, there are two “lanes”.  Lane #1 is the airstrip for the First Flight. This is basically a small track marking the direction and length of the flight. I call it lane #1 because it marks the FIRST flight. Logical.
Lane 2 is the actual real airstrip for small planes. At one end the numbers painted on the strip are 02 and at the other, 20. So the verse, IMHO, should read: Lane 2: 20, 02.  Again, very logical.
You’ll see an arc of lights
There is a beacon on top of the “wing” memorial. I don’t know about an actual arc, but there is a light up there…and there may be others. I could not find any pics taken at night to know.
Weight and roots extended
Together saved the site
in 1931 when the memorial had been planned, the architect planted beach grass all over the dune to strengthen the shifting sand by their ROOTS. The WEIGHT of the concrete of the actual wing memorial could not have stood upon the dune otherwise. When the root systems had taken hold, which took a year, it was safe then to build the wing, with 1200 tons of concrete (lots of WEIGHT.) The memorial is made:
Of granite walls
’nuff said?
Wind swept halls
I believe these lines are borrowed from John Gillespie’s famous poem “High Flight”, which mentions “wind-swept heights” and “footless halls of air.”  It’s a simple matter to believe they are compressed into one image.
Citadel in the night
A citadel is a fortress–and the B-17 bomber was known as the “Flying Fortress”. There’s another interpretation, though…see below.
A wingless bird ascended
Born of ancient dreams of flight
The Wright Brothers did not, as popular apocrypha dictates, gain information about flying by studying
birds
. They did, however, by studying KITES–which ascend and are about as wingless as it gets.
In a quote from a letter from Orville Wright in 1941 to J. Horace Lytle, he states:
“I cannot think of any part bird flight had in the development of human flight excepting an inspiration….after we had thought out certain principles, we then watched the bird to see whether it used the same principles. In a few cases we did detect the same thing in bird flight. Learning the secret of flight from a bird was a good deal like learning the secret of magic from a magician, after you once know the trick and know what to look for you see things that you did not notice when you did not know exactly what to look for.”
Beneath the only standing member
Of a forest
To the south
Probably, this means beneath the branches of a tree somewhere. Unless someone can think of some other kind of “forest”, i.e., a forest of buildings? a forest of standing stones? Perhaps a forest of sand dunes? The only problem with this is that there is no SINGLE tree (at least none visible) on the satellite pic of the memorial grounds, and there are plenty of forests to the south! This would have to be investigated in person, I’m assuming.
White stone closest
There are
four white stones
on Lane 1–the original airstrip for the First Flight. I am presuming this stone is the one closest to the “only standing member” (whatever that member actually is).
At twelve paces
From the west side
Get permission
To dig out.
Easy. 12 paces from the white stone. Then ask, and dig.
In my opinion, there is little doubt about all the verse except the “only standing member.”
I don’t think the citadel in the night is going to be anything as important as finding this. Also, “citadel in the night” might simply be referring to one of the numerous lighthouses in the area. When else are lighthouses “citadels” against the forces of nature? They certainly aren’t much use during the daylight hours–in other words, they aren’t citadels THEN.
Anyway, that’s my opinion. Now…..which IMAGE does this go with?
I’m going to say #3–it has too many airplane/aviation/flight images in it to not be at least considered. And it also boasts an outline of Roanoke Island, which is just south of the memorial. I am doubtful there is anything at the Elizabethan Gardens, or along the shore in that area, and I don’t think that V. 11 is apt anymore–I believe that v. 11 may be pointing us to Baltimore and goes with p. 9.
I know there are pervasive arguments for pairing v. 11 with p. 3–but so far, none of the images (with the exception of two) in p. 3 have matched with the verse or the possible locations. I think there are more matches if you use v. 5.
Of course, this could all be incorrect, but I’m trying to simplify the ideas, not bury them in layers of meaning and possibility. I took the most obvious meanings and used those, rather than doing so much deep research that it gets lost. (Not that research is bad, mind you….!)

Great! when are you going to go probe/ dig?

maltedfalcon

Great! when are you going to go probe/ dig?

I don’t think Eric digs.

I dig.  I just find the right spot first.
I had a different rationale for this verse just a week ago.  It took a lot of critical review and some luck to suddenly pick a different spot.  I have to make the changes to my proposal for the archaeologist’s permit.
I mentioned before that when I arrived at this area two summers ago with my tools, my firefighter boots and saftey vest, I witnessed a man in a bright orange safety vest and work truck being cuffed by the police.  A news van was there to cover the capture of someone on the Most Wanted list.  I spoke to the sherrif and continued to take photographs of the area but it was a little unnerving since they were camped out for the whole time.  I even climbed up on some of the rocks looking for better viewing angles.  Just think, I had the right area and its taken me a couple years to puzzle out the details.

Bump..for convience.

Photo of the lone tree (to the south)
as seen from the Fort.
http://travel.webshots.com/photo/154594 … 6620tYvpWt
upper right of photo… “one is a lonely number”
different shot, different angle, same tree
http://travel.webshots.com/photo/154595 … 6620TOamFr
upper left of photo
The parking lot of right by the white house.

Where hot air balloons take off near a forest?  Forest Park in St. Louis, of course.  (OK, wishful thinking.)

The Great Balloon Hoax
By Steve Goldman
NCSA Member #9
Crossing the Atlantic Ocean by a wind-powered, lighter-than-air balloon has been the dream of mankind since the invention of lighter-than-air craft. Since the first manned balloon ascension on October 15, 1783 (tethered) and the first manned free-flight on November 21, 1783, the goal has been to break the bond with Earth and float between the New World and the Old World. This dream lay unfulfilled for almost the entire history of manned flight to the present day.
It was not until 1873 that the first attempt was made to cross the Atlantic from New York to Europe by balloon — the three brave souls got no further than Long Island Sound before a storm forced them down. Not until August 10, 1978, when Abruzzon and Newman in Double Eagle II went non-stop from Pennsylvania to France was this elusive goal finally realized.
The New York Sun of April 13, 1844 put out a broadside extra headlined: “Astounding News by Express. VIA Norfolk! — The Atlantic Crossed in Three Days . . .[by] Flying Machine . . .” How does this story jive with the facts at the beginning of this article?
To understand these contradictions you must realize that in this era of newspaper history, speed and more speed was the important issue, particularly among the penny newspapers.
The New York Sun and the Herald had been battling for years and now the Tribune came into the fray. Each of those (and other) competing papers desired to be the first on the street with up-to-the-minute news. This was in the era before the telegraph and the main source of “hot” news was a correspondent with an “in” or a correspondent with a rapid mode of travel. Accuracy was to be sacrificed for speed. Get the story and worry about truthfulness later.
Enter on the scene Edgar Allan Poe. This was the Poe of the Tell Tale Heart and Murders in the Rue Morgue fame. But although he was an author who is venerated today, in 1844 he was nearly destitute. Poe had returned to New York from Philadelphia with his sick wife and mother. He was a recognized genius but his worldly wealth amounted to $4.50. His fortunes were at a low ebb when he arrived back in New York on April 6, 1844. He and his family found rooms at Greenwich Street, He wrote to a friend: “The house is old and buggy but it is the best I can do with less than $5.00 in my pocket.” He had to have more money. The newspapers seemed to be the most available place to get it, and the Sun was the liveliest of them all. Speed was what they wanted and speed was what they would get!
Edgar Allan Poe wrote a hoax centered on the first crossing of the Atlantic in a balloon and sold it to the New York Sun. It appeared on April 13, 1844 headlined in an extra heralding: “The Atlantic Crossed in Three Days!” The story went on to say: “The great problem is at length solved. The Air, as well as Earth and the Ocean, has been subdued by science, and will become a common and convenient highway for mankind. The Atlantic has actually been crossed in a balloon!”
The story that followed was about five thousand words in length. To summarize it, Monck Mason had applied the principle of the Archimedian screw to the propulsion of a dirigible balloon. The gas bag was an ellipsoid thirteen feet long with a car suspended from it. The screw propeller, which was attached to the car, was operated by a spring. A rudder shaped like a battledore kept the airship on its course.
The voyagers, according to the story, started from Mr. Osborne’s home in North Wales, intending to sail across the English Channel. The mechanism of the propeller broke, and the balloon, caught in a strong northeast wind, was carried across the Atlantic at a speed of sixty or more miles an hour. Mr. Mason kept a journal, to which, at the end of each day, Mr. Ainsworth added a postscript. The balloon landed safely on the coast of South Carolina, near Fort Moultrie.
The names of the supposed voyagers were well chosen by Poe to give credibility to the hoax. Monck Mason and Robert Holland were of the small party which actually sailed from Vauxhall Gardens, London, on the afternoon of November 7, 1836, in the balloon Nassau and landed at Weilberg, Germany, five hundred miles away, eighteen hours later. The others named by Poe were familiar figures of the period.
Poe used a plan of having real people do the things that they would like to do. The balloon hoax, however, lasted for only a day. The Sun itself said on April 15, 1844: “Balloon — the mails from the south … not having brought confirmation of the balloon from England … we are inclined to believe that the intelligence is erroneous.”
Poe went on to bigger and better things, although like many talented artists, his real fame and fortune were to elude him in his own lifetime. People fondly remember Poe for Murders in the Rue Morgue and the Tell Tale Heart but newspaper aficionados will think of him fondly as the author of the balloon hoax.

Gonna be 60 degrees by Friday.  One day this week.  Something bothers me though.
http://www.arrakeen.ch/usaaug98/004%20% … 20Park.JPG
This is the eagle prior to 9/11.  That whole area has changed.  I wonder how much the entire park has changed since 82′.

Unknown

Unknown:
Lane Two twenty two

Unknown

Unknown:
Lane
Two twenty two

After all this time, someone (hi, Leftbrained!) pointed out to me that this verse as posted on Q4T begins differently in the book.  It’s a subtle difference, but the word “Lane” is on its own line.
This could mean that we’re not looking for a numbered lane or route 222 at all.  It could be Lane Street or the Lane Building, and the numbers could be 2-20-2 or even letters BTB (twentieth letter of the alphabet is T).
I remembered that the Chicago verse used numbers to represent the *lettered* street names.  Plus the fact that “twenty two” is not hyphenated but separated by a space.  Sorry if this widens the search rather than narrowing it down.

I recently went to Charleston to check out some of my theories and double up on some of the “tested” thoughts that have been echoed here in regards to this verse matching up with Image 2. Where I can see how you could get excited and make something of this, in many ways (as you can following a simular track with other image/verse combinations), this verse just didnt match up in any remote way compared to the style of the other two finds. That palm tree near the “white stone” is simply that, a plam tree near a white marker but in no way significant enough to be the last standing member. It is about 18 yards from the enge of the water…yes the ocean where TONS, I literally mean TONS of white STONE is located as in a man-made barrier from old stone structures.
I like the new direction with this verse but, that leaves some different match-ups for image 2….and so goes the searching.
(I think Image 2 discussions need to be reborn- “Washington” park was very promising location indeed……as well as so many others in Old Charleston…so over to that thread I’ll go..Canada..take me away!)
Cheers

erexere

Which is better, a photo of the casque itself or just a mud covered plastic box?  I’m wondering if like one of those unopened star wars action figures does it have more value?

Value is a function of demand, and besides us working on the hunt, I doubt if you put a found casque up on ebay it would generate any interest.
I personally would only be interested in a casque I found and dug up.
Intrinsically they have little value in any shape/form.

shseverin11

I know that the topic of Canada recently resurfaced and that the possibility of Niagara had been mentioned in the past. I was mulling (and Googling) over Lane Two Twenty Two. Could it be a reference to Lundy’s Lane in Niagara Canada?  During the Lundy Lane Battle in the War of 1812, a ship called the Penguin went down at two twenty two. Haven’t had time to see if the area could fit the rest of the verse, but I thought I’d throw it out there.
Shannon

That’s a great find, Shannon.  I have been trying to find the time reference through Google, and cannot locate it.  I only found that the Hornet captured the Penguin, but nothing about 2:22.  Do you have a link?  Thanks.

I found the reference in the book
The Naval War of 1812  Or The History of the United States Navy during the Last War with Great  Britain to Which Is Appended an Account of the Battle of New Orleans
by Theodore Roosevelt. It’s now an eBook through Project Gutenburg. If you do a Find through the text, it doesn’t appear, but if you search via google and then looked at the cached page where Google highlights what you are looking for, you’ll see it. I searched on “Lundy’s Lane” Penguin “two twenty”.  I re-read the reference today and realized that it’s not the time that the Penguin went down. The Penguin went down at 2:02, so it’s probably not relevant to the search. That’s what I get for posting while tired.  Here’s the quote and the link to it below anyway.
As the vessels separated the
_Penguin’s_ foremast went overboard, the bowsprit breaking short
off. The _Hornet_ at once wore, to present a fresh broadside, while
the _Penguin’s_ disabled condition prevented her following suit,
and having lost a third of her men killed and wounded (14 of the
former and 28 of the latter), her hull being riddled through and
through, her foremast gone, main-mast tottering, and most of the
guns on the engaged side dismounted, she struck her colors at two
minutes past
two, twenty-two
minutes after the first gun was fired
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:J4 … cd=3&gl=us

Perhaps they should have taken the 22 twain.

You slay me, shecrab!
Would that make
object of Twain’s attention
a wailwoad twack?

Windswept halls makes sense to me as simply the windy gorge…basically a channel tbrough its granite walls.

Best to remain open-minded, but yeah, a sensible set.
I was looking at your hospital theory – I like the wingless bird, though I couldn’t see the white stone in the gallery?
Still looking for 222 connections – here’s Montreal’s first punk single…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_222s
(Staying with the medical theme, they took their name from a painkiller.)

boogieman,  this verse started out at battery park in new york, and then swoosh, went everywhere.
you liked the walloon settlers memorial at one time but you never mentioned this part on it:
deForest:……of forest
http://www.deforestcommunications.com/d … orest.html
and we have washington street for 222
“Battery Park Underpass Marker
Dedicated 1951
Description: Bronze plaque on exterior wall of tunnel entrance at Whitehall and South Streets. ———–white and south street
and then would that make this go with image 9?
one time forest blight posted a pic of the statue of liberty’s hands…………they looked mighty close to the hands on image 9

Here’s the rough sketch that I sent to NPS along with my write-up, back in May 2017:
I’m still reading V5 literally, twelve “paces” from the west side of the “white stone”, which I believe would be the white granite obelisk erected as a monument to the crew of the USS Patapsco ironclad. From here, even pacing off steps in a straight line, it’d still be challenging to pinpoint the exact spot without using a metal detector or a ground probe. Both of these were denied, though, along with an offer of GPR assistance…at least for the time being.
Disclaimer: The casque ain’t found if it’s still in the ground…

Just a thought here. The tree in front of Fourt Moultrie would have made burying a cask difficult in that area. Judging by its location, you may have run into roots 24 feet from the west side of the obelisk. I still favor the front of Fort Moultrie and the Osceola stone as the marker. One other possibility could be that the ‘west side’ refers to the west side of the fort in front and you were supposed to take 12 steps towards the white stone.

davinci4

= One other possibility could be that the ‘west side’ refers to the west side of the fort in front and you were supposed to take 12 steps towards the white stone.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but this theory was latched onto early in the image thread. Someone did some digging around there, and I believe calculated that 12 steps towards the right stone would still be in a National park.
I might be mashing together different things though. Going to try to find the posts.

drunknerds

Correct me if I’m wrong, but this theory was latched onto early in the image thread. Someone did some digging around there, and I believe calculated that 12 steps towards the right stone would still be in a National park.
I might be mashing together different things though. Going to try to find the posts.

Yes. I believe that is correct. The “get permission to dig it out” would have been very applicable in 1982 at this particular site.

now that’s a wingless bird.
perhaps we’re looking for a road, hawk way (it would be wingless, since it’s not a bird but a street), or a statue of a bird that’s in repose so you can’t see its wings.
Or the Eagle Center.  something that’s a play on words.
wilhouse

JoshCornell

…..(go complain about this post why dont ya). little girl.

Add sexist to the list now

Unknown

Unknown:
there are a whole lot of others here who were responsible for getting you banned

Do tell? How would you know this if you weren’t part of the “others”, at least to the extent that they would share this information with you?
Seriously, you guys are pathetic.

Unknown

Unknown:
That is what trolls do.

I know what “trolls do” GG. We’re done here. Have an excellent day.

cause you went around telling everyone i am racist. when im not racist. youre just an idiot. period.

by all means click on seabass or nycnative or goldengates profile and browse through their posts 90+ % are just them trolling me…sad shit bro.

Unknown

Unknown:
90+ % are just them trolling me

And you continue to fall for it Josh, every single time. Until your lesser nature comes out, and you post things that will get you banned, again. I’m not in the habit of telling people what to do on this forum, least of all you, but here, the play should be obvious.

seabass was a troll. he asked for all the content he added to be removed, but that probably was just to make him look better.

cause you and seabass (the two largest troll on the site other than nycnative who has disappeared) whined to mark incessently to get me banned for no reason (cause i made new threads and said the word shit XD). youre a goof and everyone sees it (go complain about this post why dont ya). little girl.

Goldengate

Says Josh “Anus905” Cornell, the biggest troll this forum has had to deal with.
Seabass ASKED to be removed… you’ve been forcibly removed, banned and deleted THREE TIMES (or is it four?) — and it sure wasn’t because you asked. Please remind everyone, how many thousands of your posts has Marc deleted in just the six months since you’ve joined? I’ve only been here for three or so years… I don’t remember anyone else being booted even once.
C’mon Josh, you have all the answers… tell all the new members how many times you’ve been banned from this forum?
I mean… the admin even blocked your IP! For a guy who bloviates on and on and on and… onnnnn about how you’re some kind of clue master you sure are struggling to take a hint. And for a guy who “def” solved this whole hunt back in January (you know, days after you first watched the Expedition Unlnown ep) you found a lot of… nothing… and because of your attitude, you’ve found even less respect.

Goldengate

Nope, you were banned because of this:
… AND there was also your racist talk (with even worse justification for using it) and the super creepy comments about another member’s daughter. Oh — and of course the classic troll move of flooding this board with THOUSANDS of disjointed, insulting posts that literally buried all threads. Nobody cares if someone creates a couple new threads… you simply tried to take over this board and you’ve chased a lot of good people away. That, Josh, is what trolls do.
And last… I’ll let you in on a secret…While I’d love to take credit, there are a whole lot of others here who were responsible for getting you banned.

a) i never said anything racist (that comment was made on fb and it was not even racist) b)that was the second time i was banned. the first time was for the reasons listed…also, i fully stand by that comment. i own it, and i dont feel any shame.

the final one was clearly a fucking joke. i never even knew he had a daughter (and he knew that), so how can i be hitting on someone i dont know exists…also i very clearly qualified (if shes of age)…get a fucking clue you loser. go circle jerk with golden gate somewhere else.
your attempts to smear me are petty and pathetic. you suck at the treasure hunt and are just jealous. come get some.

I wonder what clever name he’ll come back as the next time he gets banned.

maltedfalcon

For this to fit you would need to show a period map with the exit number  22 indicated.

erexere

I found the 1982 road map from AAA on eBay.  It should have the exit numbers.

…well played.

Good point.
I do not disagree with you at all.
However, since we are not at the FOY location, and we weren’t there in 1980, it’s really hard to tell what might be at the location that appears in the image. I did like the one explanation for the circle/square in the banner’s design, though I think that wasn’t at FOY. And there is one other consideration: when you are painting from a polaroid, it might be misinterpretable what you are seeing there–and might cause some image parts to look different from what they really look like.  Just sayin’….
Also, Image 6 is really cryptic. There are many objects that look like they might be in that large rock–including, but not limited to, a mother holding a child–which might be a statue, or a photo, or it might even be a woman/man/unknown figure holding a LAMB, or it might be an aztec-like figure holding an amulet–the interpretations are numerous.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mainmanwal … otostream/
Maybe this is your marker?

How about the stones embedded in the rust of this anchor?
I think they are the same as where the jewel is in image 6.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikecomins/4939721220
If you look at the original image size it explains the stones.

Deuce

If the LOJ truly has any subtle clues as has been discussed, ‘Midsummer Day’ is known as St. John’s Day. Maybe a nudge telling us to use Fort St. John as the citadel. That would make your idea a little stronger.

I’ve been thinking about this a lot. I think you are right about the word “midsummer.” There is a night before Midsummer Day… it’s Midsummer night. They are originally known respectively as St. John’s Day and St. John’s Night. St. John’s night is a very important day on the Bayou St. John!
The LOTJ may very well be cueing on of the difficult lines in the verse. It mentions both “midsummer” and “keep,” leading us to St. John’s and keep (citadel).
Additionally, this lends a bit to the night/day, duality confusion.