shecrab

So, after all this boring science is considered, what I’m trying to say is simply this: I don’t believe we’re looking for anything resembling a
real bird minus the flight
–I believe we are looking at a metaphor for something that has no wings but can still fly, such as a rocket, a balloon,
a zeppelin, an airship
, a
kite
, an elevator (because it can ascend!) or even a space capsule.
Note the kite. There is a lot of possibility with this object. You could tie in many things, Benjamin Franklin, the Wright Brothers, and very importantly, CHINA.  If you’re looking at San Francisco for this verse, then you are also looking at China, since that is the country associated with the image. Additionally, there is a
real
bird called a kite. The metaphoric range here is rich.

I really liked your point and thought applying your idea to Image 8 Verse 1.  You seem inclined to support an approach to the broad range of metaphorically rich ideas.  Let’s keep with that creative spirit.

I don’t mind metaphor, no–what I mind is LAYER upon LAYER of metaphor that gets further and further away from reality and ignores that this is pretty much an internet-free treasure hunt. All these associations do not much more than muddy the waters beyond the most obvious and clearly-delineated ones.
Saying a “wingless bird ascended” is definitely a metaphor. What is it a metaphor for? Whatever RISES without WINGS. Nothing beyond that is necessary to find a confirmer. Nothing beyond that HELPS–it only further obscures the image.

You miss the point.  You launched a bunch of options to consider.  I embraced them, drove my car to a site and looked around.  I saw some mountains and also realized i had a front row seat to the May 1980 eruption of Mt. St. Helens.  Wingless bird could be the ash cloud that ascended.  Do clouds and dreams have an association?  The ash doesnt have real wings yet it ascended.  Alternatively, Beacon rock is viewable in the distance.  Does it have a Beak on it?  It doesnt have real wings and yet it ascends as a peak.  My point is that wasnt internet based.  My point is that it fits your criteria, yet you have some strange resentment for my methods.

Regulus – see my posts a couple pages back, with links to pictures.

Then it’s not likely to be the Alamo. But knowing there is a rt 222 so close to NASA is as good a lead as any, and if you’re nearby, it’s worth trying to get more of this one unraveled so you can investigate.

Glossiphoniidae

hypostyle hall… aka… (insert
P
ropernamestyle hall here)??
Hint: Presevation “Hall” goes around in the picture… what prefix means “around” or “encircling”?
you buyin’ in?

I can dig it. No pun intended. The Peristyle. Originally made as a dance hall. And as open as it is, definitely windswept.

Exactly. What I am saying is that each one of these lines is directly interpreted. Why “windswept halls” {plural}?
Do any idea’s popp?

map showing 23 geocaches hidden in the city park:
http://www.geocaching.com/map/#?ll=29.9 … 08712&z=15
Duelling Oak
http://www.geocaching.com/map/#?ll=29.9 … 09438&z=19
“White stone closest
At twelve paces
From the west side”
West of tree is towards the stone?
Then you reach the water.

That stone is the base of some sort of meter or electrical box. I doubt he would put one there for risk of hitting a wire.
Also here is the grass island right next to the oak. I pointed this out in another idea that I had using an aerial view. The Museum is the middle of the clock and Lelong Dr. is the hands. The second hand passes through this island if overlapped and ends on Pigeon Island. Could possibly be “Beneath the only standing member of a forest. To the south…” Meaning south of the oak in the direction of Pigeon island. Otherwise we need to find a reference point north of the oak then read it “Beneath the only standing member of a forest to the south.” That would take us to the oak from the north.

You are so close!
expand your upper right image, and then align the one to the left again. Then, realize that the arrow is a compass point to N.
now that the N is north, take 12 paces from the west side of the tree.

It’s a dial combination lock. you have to use the clockface as the dial, and turn in various directions to unlock various clues.

So, everybody has avoided “of granite walls…” Does anyone want to offer what they think it is?
This is the only one I am uncertain about, but I have my theory that it is the customs house, and the tops of the columns are the flowers (though, i think just the one on the right). It may be both, but I think the one on the right is a much more exact match, and the fact that the flowers are quite different is what is supposed to draw our attention.

My reading, with the spot where the exact directions begin bolded:
Lane
Two twenty two
Tulane
You’ll see an arc of lights
City Park old entrance
Weight and roots extended
Live oak forest, heaviest and rooted
Together saved the site
Friends of City Park founded, saves the park, and it becomes self-sufficient
Of granite walls
Customs House
Wind swept halls
Peristyle and Popp
Citadel in the night
Fort. St. John
A wingless bird ascended
WWI Memorial
Born of ancient dreams of flight
Aviation
Beneath the only standing member
Of a forest
To the south
Duelling Oak, to the south of the arrow when oriented correctly
White stone closest
At twelve paces
From the west side
MM Memorial, which is 12 paces from the west side of the Oak when oriented correctly
Get permission
To dig out.
Ask.
http://goo.gl/maps/nVgHX

Nice. While there’s a few iffy aspects, this seems as good a theory as any.
On a side note, if the LOJ truly has any subtle clues as has been discussed, ‘Midsummer Day’ is known as St. John’s Day. Maybe a nudge telling us to use Fort St. John as the citadel. That would make your idea a little stronger.

Deuce

Nice. While there’s a few iffy aspects, this seems as good a theory as any.
On a side note, if the LOJ truly has any subtle clues as has been discussed, ‘Midsummer Day’ is known as St. John’s Day. Maybe a nudge telling us to use Fort St. John as the citadel. That would make your idea a little stronger.

I was thinking the confirmation was C.ABBOT, an astrophysicist, and the moon. The line marks the start of the anagram. Notice the natural hard stop when reading the verse between, “Citadel in the night” and “A wingless bird ascended.”
Citadel is the Fort, in the night is drawn from the anagram with WTO OTW surrounding it. This means it is part of the duality… he is famous for the night and the day (i.e., Abbot Crater, solar work).
I guess all this doesn’t speak to your point. So, I guess I agree with you.

Thought about those granite walls a lot. I think that line should actually be read with the wind swept halls line.
Popp, the hall that makes “halls” plural, has 12
granite
columns. This would allow the image to point to Pop with the mask, McDonough Oak with the clockboy, Story Land with the flowers, Tulane with the fingers, Preservation Hall with the words, WWI Monument with the clock.

Glossiphoniidae

Beneath the only standing member
Of a forest
To the south
Duelling Oak, to the south of the arrow when oriented correctly

Could be a dual play on words (sorry, I had to
). There will only be one standing member after a duel.

That
is
why — it
is
the only standing member, the other one that stood with it “fell.” There was two. The two Duelling Oaks stand in a forest of live oaks. One fell and is no longer a live oak.

The last 2 lines of this verse have me a bit puzzled:
“Get permission”
“To dig out”
Why would we need permission to dig out if he was putting all of these casques in “public parks”, as noted in my thread about Burial Sites?
This leads me to believe that this could be some type of private property that is considered communal or “somewhat public”, like a Church.
Regards,
Mac

Macfos

The last 2 lines of this verse have me a bit puzzled:
“Get permission”
“To dig out”
Why would we need permission to dig out if he was putting all of these casques in “public parks”, as noted in my thread about Burial Sites?
This leads me to believe that this could be some type of private property that is considered communal or “somewhat public”, like a Church.
Regards,
Mac

The fact that it’s at the end and doesn’t really rhyme with anything or fit makes me wonder if Bantam’s legal department said “hey you gotta tell people not to just go digging there or they’ll get arrested,” and so Preiss just tacked it on

drunknerds

The fact that it’s at the end and doesn’t really rhyme with anything or fit makes me wonder if Bantam’s legal department said “hey you gotta tell people not to just go digging there or they’ll get arrested,” and so Preiss just tacked it on

Could it be that because it’s Canada, Re: Legal team. Not sure about laws so get permission to be on the safe side?

Here is a google search for your learning enjoyment  🙂
http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:-w … ry/online_

The possibilities of my NY theory are improved if one spins around 342 times and squints into a floodlight.  Of course, the theory must involve the Templars and the Roswell incident.

But really, where are the NYers?  I’d like to hear their opinions.  The Charleston idea does sound good.

Unknown

Unknown:
well i do know that fort sumter was made of granite ;]

I thought fort sumter was made of brick…
Johann – your new york theory has possibilities
but not being in new york I cant’ yay or nay.

By the way…when we were driving to Charleston i couldnt help but notice that the last exit on the interstate is 221. That kinda makes Charleston 222? lol  😀

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True – though after looking for a horse for 30 years without finding one, maybe it’s worth keeping an eye out for a zebra…
Get permission
To dig out
I’m not sure if this line is meant to be taken literally either. Seems unlike BP to ask permission somehow.

I don’t want to get in trouble digging.
When I had initially planned to wear my sanitation worker uniform and set up safety cones so it would be an ordinary looking thing and then showed up to find that the site was crawling with police and a guy dressed just like I was planning was in hand cuffs, I was overwhelmed with insecurity.  I’m just not badass enough to do it rogue style.  I’m working up the nerve to send a follow up to my first request.  Will send something next week.

Reviewing the reason we might suspect Oregon from this verse, “Lane” the first word could refer to Joseph Lane, the first Governor of the Oregon Territory in 1848.
Gathering information about FIRSTs might help lead to casques.  Twain was mentioned in verse 7…what was he a FIRST in?  Maybe worth looking into.

erexere

Reviewing the reason we might suspect Oregon from this verse, “Lane” the first word could refer to Joseph Lane, the first Governor of the Oregon Territory in 1848.

I keep thinking of the phrase: “When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras.”

I posted this on Facebook, as well. My apologies if you’ve already seen this.
I’ve been working on a theory that Verse 8 should be paired with Montreal, which means that Verse 5 needs a home. The simplest choice is to switch 5 and 8 which would mean Verse 5 would now go with Milwaukee. I know very little about Milwaukee, so after a bit of digital digging, I’m throwing this out there. This is by no means a “solve.” It is a list of a couple of things I found that could link Verse 5 with Milwaukee.
“You’ll see an arc of lights” – Possibly The North Point Lighthouse. The light would make a literal arc as it rotated. Also, arc lights are used in lighthouses.
” A wingless bird ascended, Born of ancient dreams” – The Japanese hint tells us “wingless bird” is akin to “iron horse,” which alludes to a helicopter. Leonardo da Vinci famously designed an aerial screw that could be called an “ancient” helicopter. On the campus of the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee there is a sculpture titled “Polyphony” that looks a lot like da Vinci’s aerial screw. The sculpture has been moved from its original position, but I can’t find when that happened. It is currently near the corner of N. Maryland Ave and E. Kenwood Blvd. Interestingly, there are white stones near the sculpture.
Here is a photo of the two together
https://www.flickr.com/photos/146228928@N05/48022012682/in/dateposted-public/
“Get permission to dig” – Could this mean it’s not on public property? Could it be somewhere on the UW campus?
As I said, it isn’t much, but it might be helpful to someone.

Reassessing…
My solution proposal doesn’t take into account the correct definition of a pace.
If I take the line “beneath the only standing member of a forest” to mean “the single large tree at the site”, then take the lines that follow to mean to mean, go to the stone depicted as white in the illustration, which I believe is verified by using an actual map to take a compass angle and then seen to compare exactly with the image as far as placement in relation to the large boulder, then 12 paces may be best assumed to be in the direction of that tree in order to find the casque “beneath” or close to it.  The tree is just over 12 paces or (75 feet) away from the west side of that stone.  I think I’ll chance probing the spot before I get any more excited.

Some minor tweaks and we have this:
Line 1: Lane, the name of the first governor of the Oregon Territory, narrows things down a little.
Line 2: Highway No. 2, now known as sections of Interstate 84 and the Historic Columbia River Highway, Exit 22 at Corbett.  Take the turn and follow the road up to the high cliff vista that looks over the river gorge and the Crown Point Vista House.  There you’ll see a large boulder in a ring of stones.  The significance is written on the interpretive marker about two men who built America’s first scenic highway in order to preserve the beauty of the area while incorporating accessibility in transportation.  It was known at the time as the Good Roads Movement.  This site is dedicated to the Portland Women’s Forum and was once the home of the Chanticleer Inn until it burned down.
Line 3: the arc of lights that marks the hairpin curve around the Crown Point Vista House which is a major focal point of the view from the Portland Women’s Forum site.
Some of the lines are perfectly clear from reading the interpretive markers and the plaques.  The options available in the panaramic view are easily picked out to match what is in the illustration.  The hard part is figuring out what is meant by “wingless bird ascending” and where is the “white stone” located.
The wingless bird is a nod to current events.  On May 18th, 1980, the erruption of Mt. St. Helens sent a huge plume of ash into the sky.  An ascending plume having no wings but being a word that is also used to refer to the feathers of a bird.
There is no stone that is white.  The white fencing might be considered, but I think it wasn’t there in 1980.  The thematic relevance of the reference to the volcanic erruption of Mt. St. Helens and the idea that the explorer is planting a flag at the top of a rock is sending us a hint to figure a mountain peak into the location effort.  There isn’t a good angle of view on a mountain that makes sense.  The closest mountain is Mt. Hood and it’s to the southeast.  Using a map it’s possible to take an exact compass angle and apply it to the setting depicted in the illustration.  Call that position A.  I use a yellow arrow to show how to line up the large boulder in the center with the tree in the background.  Next, use the compass reading to find the white stone, it lines up in the direction of Mt. Hood, position B.  Take a few steps back, south of the monument and notice that the stone at position B relative to the boulder closely resembles the position of the white glacier in the illustration relative to the main rock formation.  The glacier itself looks like the central boulder btw.  Go to the west side of the stone at position B and begin counting off paces in the direction of the large tree.  You’ll stop at a spot just next to the tree.  I think a good probing on that spot should connect with a casque.

Washington Street- 2/22-  There is a footbridge from Washington ST, that crosses the entrance to the  Brooklyn Battery tunnel, and puts you on Greenich ST, about 100 yards from the Park.  Looking for
an arc of lights
and trying to think outside the box, I could find nothing.  Until, that is.. when I was leaving to go home after 2 and 1/2 hrs. I had to cross the bridge because you cannot walk up Washington to the WTC site where I caught the train. (Tunnel in way)  I had already exhausted my 2 rolls of film when I noticed the lights on the bridge.  Old style lights.  They were staggered, one on the left, 20 ft and another on the right and so on.  About 6 lights in all. The bridge itself is arc’d across the roadway, and the lights, almost like street lamps, were arc’d over the footpath on the bridge.  You can’t really get the gist of it by this pic:
http://www.northeastroads.com/new_york300/i-478_sb_exit_000_03.jpg
You know how footbridges have fences on each side that arc over the path?  That’s what the lights look like.  I have to go back and get a shot of them while crossing.  I already have 2 rolls and will post them in a day or two.
The park has a lot of construction going on and from what I can tell, the casque could only be buried in one of two places.  But let me tell ya, I’m pretty convinced this verse is it.
Beneath the only standing member- Walloon Settlers  Memorial or the Ericsson monument.  Because the white stone I had mentioned a while back in the Jerusalem Grove is about 50 ft away from the Ericsson, I’m leaning towards the Walloon.
http://www.defreest.com/images/MonumentInscrip.gif
I wasn’t even concidering that piece until I found another white stone, similar in size and shape to the Jerusalem stone.  This stone is actually in the Grove as well, surrounded by brush. (Grove-Forest?)  I bet it was once a plaque, but there is nothing written on it (anymore).  While standing at this stone, I walked off 20 good steps, without stretching, and on the 21st, I kicked the Walloon Settlers Memorial.  Now, this stone is twenty paces from the
memorial’s
west side.  I always thought that would be tricky, like what happened to Egg out in Cleveland.  To be honest, I didn’t concider direction until I walked the 20 paces five times.
The entire northern section of the park is under construction.  I walked around the ventilation shafts and there wasn’t a stone in sight.  I looked at Fox’s flagpole near South St.  Years ago, it was all sand around the base.  Now it’s concrete and pavers.  (please don’t be there, right Wilhouse!)
No body is digging in Battery Park without permission!  I talked to a couple of Park Rangers about the park and when I told them what I was up to, they warned me about Federal property, and arrests.  Did not deter me.  I got from them a couple of names and a phone # of the curator (?) to get more info and PERMISSION.  I think it would be I good idea to nail down the image before I contact them.  You know they would want the publicity, why else would they let anyone dig.  But they can’t get that without the complete package… So?
Edit: BTW, the Wallon Settlers memorial is the only standing member in Jerusalem Grove.

Here’s my Verse 5 solution that leads to the top of the shadow of the Charleston, SC Hobson Memorial on April 26 at 4pm (sundial time). Special thanks to James Vachowski for helping me think outside of Verse 6. What do you think?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lxkCnE … sp=sharing

forest_blight

Hey digger7.  Welcome.  Like these arcs?  Scroll up and you’ll see the original post.

“WHERE M AND B ARE SET IN STONE” had nothing to do with the indian/horse statue. The sculptures were called “Spearman” and “Bowman” if memory serves, and they are not made of stone. The verse is instead referring to “Mozart” and “Beethoven,” whose names are literally carved in stone across the street from the casque site.

Hey all,
I posted this in the Image 2 thread as well.
I was thinking about how to link this image with a verse and as has already been mentioned with the casques that have been found V12 was linked to P5 with the statue of the indian riding the horse in the Picture with the line WHERE M AND B ARE SET IN STONE in the Verse.  And V4 was linked to P4 by the columns (although this could have also applied to P8).  Anyway, V5 talks about an arc of lights and if you look at P2 you can clearly see an arc of lights reflected in the eyes of the lion.  Perhaps it is a bit of a stretch but of all the images in the various pictures it is the only one where the eyes reflect something
Just my two cents,
digger7

JamesV

but I don’t see why people would still choose prefer a more obscure interpretation over what seems like a very direct clue.
Just my .02, from a guy with zero casques found to date.

May 1913 is a pretty direct clue… yet we are ignoring that…

JamesV

I’ve put my thoughts on this down in the V6 thread– if we can assume that an I1/V6 pairing would start in Portsmouth Square, near Chinatown, it’s logical to suspect that “May 1913” might be a direct reference to the US’ diplomatic recognition of the Republic of China on May 2, 1913. Who knows, maybe this line is meant to get you walking towards the Kuomintang (Taiwan’s Nationalist Party) HQ or something, and possibly spot a visual confirmer along the way.
I absolutely don’t believe that “May 1913” could be meant to signify the USS Maine’s capstan in Charleston’s White Point Gardens, especially not after listening to the hints from the Japanese version. Didn’t the translator say something like, “Look in your history book– what happened in May 1913?” Yes, the sinking of the USS Maine was definitely a historical event… but that happened in February 1898.

thats a good one James, that translation is gonna help somebody

JamesV

I’ve put my thoughts on this down in the V6 thread– if we can assume that an I1/V6 pairing would start in Portsmouth Square, near Chinatown, it’s logical to suspect that “May 1913” might be a direct reference to the US’ diplomatic recognition of the Republic of China on May 2, 1913. Who knows, maybe this line is meant to get you walking towards the Kuomintang (Taiwan’s Nationalist Party) HQ or something, and possibly spot a visual confirmer along the way.
I absolutely don’t believe that “May 1913” could be meant to signify the USS Maine’s capstan in Charleston’s White Point Gardens, especially not after listening to the hints from the Japanese version. Didn’t the translator say something like, “Look in your history book– what happened in May 1913?” Yes, the sinking of the USS Maine was definitely a historical event… but that happened in February 1898.

Connection to San Francisco is Dr. Sun Yat-sen. He founded resistance group to reunite Taiwan and China.

burnstyle

May 1913 is a pretty direct clue… yet we are ignoring that…

I’ve put my thoughts on this down in the V6 thread– if we can assume that an I1/V6 pairing would start in Portsmouth Square, near Chinatown, it’s logical to suspect that “May 1913” might be a direct reference to the US’ diplomatic recognition of the Republic of China on May 2, 1913. Who knows, maybe this line is meant to get you walking towards the Kuomintang (Taiwan’s Nationalist Party) HQ or something, and possibly spot a visual confirmer along the way.
I absolutely don’t believe that “May 1913” could be meant to signify the USS Maine’s capstan in Charleston’s White Point Gardens, especially not after listening to the hints from the Japanese version. Didn’t the translator say something like, “Look in your history book– what happened in May 1913?” Yes, the sinking of the USS Maine was definitely a historical event… but that happened in February 1898.

Again, I’m sorry if this has already been posted, however, it sounds pretty solid.

I’ve thought it was an excellent idea since boogieman suggested it last year.

regulus

Again, I’m sorry if this has already been posted, however, it sounds pretty solid.

“Everytown has an Elm Street” F. Krueger
I still do not think it is a correct interpretation.
The clue is ” Lane
Two twenty-two”
Not “Lane two twenty-two”
I think this is a significant difference.

true, but we’ll get it.

The first line: Lane
Initially it serves as a clue to Oregon, since a man named Joseph Lane was the first governor of the Oregon Territory.  It helps place focus on the area containing the Columbia River Highway, the first scenic highway in the United States.
After unravelling most of the clues, and we find the large granite monument with a placque honoring entrepeneur Sam Hill and engineer Sam Lancaster for together being the builders of “good roads”.  We then realize how the first line, Lane, becomes a validator as it’s commonly understood that roads and lanes go together.  (Citation- National Register for Historic Places nomination and application for the Columbia River Historic Highway).
The same process worked for Chicago’s first line: Where M and B are set in stone
Mozart and Beethoven written in stone nearby, but the phrase “set in stone” is the language of making an agreement.  The casque was found in Grant Park, and the word “grant” is also used in the language of making an agreement.
I’m not outlining this as a process which allows us a conclusive method for solving the puzzles, but I’m seeing this as a way of validating our findings once we’ve solved the general idea of the puzzle.  I hope to successfully apply this to each of the locations we’ve narrowed down.

maltedfalcon

I’m thinking the barred window is actually a door and is a site confirmer.

Or a window.
(1925 Gough, the white house at Lafayette.)
Maybe the 9s in the image refer to the Niners, or San Fransisco 49ers. (Owner Sam Holladay was a 49er.)
http://www.parkscan.org/parks?parkId=24

There is this also, which is an overhead view of the parking lot at Alcatraz compared with the odd shape in the left of Image 1:
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That might be exactly like the Terminal Tower, narrowing the search radius down to a mile or two.

Here’s an article about the Citadel of Alcatraz…
http://www.militarymuseum.org/AlcatrazCitadel.html
(Has a lighthouse too.)
Don’t think the casque is on The Rock tho…

Since we are jumping all over the map lately, I thought I’d match Image9 to Verse 5.  It seems logical because this image and verse are way up in the air right now.
Going back to Lane two twenty two, St Louis has a very famous Washington Ave.  There are also plenty of citadel references to the city.  St Louis has an annual Hot air Balloon race since 1977, I think it has started at Forest Park most of the time, saving match-ups from image9 to St Louis.  Worth exploring?

maltedfalcon

Well great go Dig!
Please prove me wrong!
I am rooting for you! but I still think you have too much emphasis on the picture to determine the location of the casque.
I don’t believe at all thats how the pictures are used.
and yes I believe the picture use is consistent throughout the hunt

I am unable to provide proof for reasons that will remain unspecified, but I will say this, I was wrong on several points.
The illustration is in no way used as a “map”.  It does tell a story.  I am making the conclusion that it tells the story in reverse.  I don’t know that this is consistent with other puzzle locations, but visually it seems to play on different pieces of information and perspectives.  The verse is to be taken linearly in order.  At least I don’t see any reason to mix and match lines or break words apart or ever deviate from or play with a word’s spelling.  I still maintain that usage and meaning may be the source of many unexpected surprises.
Probably the images are consistent as maltedfalcon suspects.  Certain adaptations may be expected when it comes to unique settings and themes.
It seems that I have less to say than usual.  I would seem that without a casque-in-hand I have no basis for any of my insights.  All I’d like to do at this point is operate on what I consider a solid set of assumptions:
1: the first line itself combines a clue about the exact spot where the casque is buried as well as serves as a general clue that deals with theme.  The theme in this case LANE = ROADS.
2: the rest of the lines resolve in order, most often in pairs, to distinguish specific points of interest that may work in combination as a means to the exact spot.
3: all words are exact; no wordplay EVER, but when it seems like wordplay, there’s a practical reason.
Note to the epicurians of headwear: don’t worry, this is only a small delay.

Glossiphoniidae

Citadel – less than a block north of mount stephen club on Drummond St. is the Salvation Army Citadel, prominently tapped in stone.

That’s an excellent connection. I was just looking for some possible “wingless bird” connections…only thing I’ve come up with so far is “The Rocket”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Richard
I was trying to find where the old Montreal Citadel fort was. Not sure yet (there doesn’t seem to be anything left of it) – though I noticed a connection with Fort Stewart. The museum probably has displays about it. Isle Ste-Helene has quite a lot going for it.
http://danreport.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08 … uebec.html
http://www.stewart-museum.org/en/
Re: Lane 222, I was looking at this Laurentian Lanes bowling place at 222, can’t do anything with it though…
http://www.laurentianlanes.com/about_us.php

Unknown

Unknown:
A wingless bird ascended
Born of ancient dreams of flight
I’m really liking the Durant balloon theory for this one.

Speaking of balloons–I found this interesting.
“On April 13, 1844 a broadside, or ‘extra page,’ appeared in the midday issue of the New York Sun (the same newspaper that ran the Great Moon Hoax back in 1835) announcing that the famous European balloonist Monck Mason had succeeded in flying across the Atlantic Ocean in 75 hours. If true, this would have been a remarkable achievement—the first time the Atlantic had ever been crossed in a balloon.  The balloon, named the Victoria, had apparently taken off from England on a trip to Paris, but had been blown off course due to a propeller accident and ended up floating across the Atlantic and landing on Sullivan’s Island, near Charleston, South Carolina.  The story was quickly revealed to be a hoax, authored by Edgar Allan Poe.”
“…The Journal here ceases. Some particulars of the descent were communicated, however, by Mr. Ainsworth to Mr. Forsyth. It was nearly dead calm when the voyagers first came in view of the coast, which was immediately recognized by both the seamen, and by Mr. Osborne. The latter gentleman having acquaintances at Fort Moultrie, it was immediately resolved to descend in its vicinity. The balloon was brought over the beach (the tide being out and the sand hard, smooth, and admirably adapted for a descent,) and the grapnel let go, which took firm hold at once. The inhabitants of the island, and of the fort, thronged out, of course, to see the balloon ; but it was with the greatest difficulty that any one could be made to credit the actual voyage – the crossing of the Atlantic. The grapnel caught at 2, P.M., precisely ; and thus the whole voyage was completed in seventy-five hours ; or rather less, counting from shore to shore. No serious accident occurred. No real danger was at any time apprehended. The balloon was exhausted and secured without trouble ; and when the MS. from which this narrative is compiled was despatched from Charleston, the party were still at Fort Moultrie. Their farther intentions were not ascertained ; but we can safely promise our readers some additional information either on Monday or in the course of the next day, at farthest.”    –NY Sun, by E.A. Poe

Trohn

Grant Park
Lake Park
Greek Park
all do not require a fee for entrance and are mostly public…

same held true for the Hermann Park zoo, back in 1982!
wilhouse

Just keep in mind that whatever it is, it has to be “Born of ancient dreams of flight.” That’s why I like the
helicopter
and
balloon
ideas so much — they are very old (“ancient”) ideas, without wings.

forest_blight

“Born of ancient dreams of flight.”

That may be another (very literal) play on words.  Helicopters or balloons aren’t born but RE Byrd sure was.  Was it of ancient dreams of flight…?…

I dont mean to pick on you shecrab…you have a lot of really good ideas.  I think it is just that you seem to pick Vs & Ps that seem pretty obvious if not near concrete to work on.  In your long and well put reply to me, you stated:
“I still have plenty of issues with Milwaukee, and do not believe the San Francisco ideas much at all–and as for New Orleans and Charleston?”
Are these issues with the Ps or the Vs?  As for the P’s, I dont know how much more concrete those can be.
“and I can also fit the Charleston p. and v. into Niagara Falls!!  So now what?”
Case in point… How can P2 go anywhere but Charleston?  It has Ft. Sumter as clear as day.  And if that doesnt do it, the ENTIRE map of the Charleston coastline is in the large mask.  P7 has the lat/lon for N.O., crescents abound for the Crescent City, as well as “Preservation” and the whole Mardi Gras theme…mask, color combination & all.  And P10 doesnt seem like it can be anything BUT Milwaukee.  It has the rhebus puzzle Mill + Walk + Key as well as a PERFECT match for the Milwaukee City Hall…

These are concrete.  I honestly feel that the P10-V8 pairing leads us to Milwaukee, the P6-V9 leads us to FOY park, the P3-V11 leads us to somewhere around the Elizabethan Gardens / Lost Colony.  Even though we have not located the casques (yet) I believe with a little more work on these pairings, casques will be found.

Unknown

Unknown:
Using your reasoning….it must be OBVIOUS that NO casques are located in Houston, San Fran, New Orleans, Milwaukee, Charleston, etc…since we haven’t found them yet.

Oh come on, Fox…you KNOW doggone good and well that isn’t how I mean it.
The Houston casque wasn’t found NOT because the v. and p. weren’t matched up correctly, but because the ZOO was razed!! And you know this as well.
I think you’re just trying to find something that will refute what I say–and for the life of me, I can’t understand why.
You know that what I meant by “one or two things” was exactly THAT–an entire solve based on one or two lines from a verse, and no p. matches–NOT a good match for a verse OR a P.
!  Sheesh!!
First things first: Let’s discuss this supposed Elizabethan gardens/Lost Colony solution:
1.  the Verse partially matches, yes—some things in V. 11 can be pointed directly to the site on Roanoke Island. But there are some definitive and IMPORTANT things that cannot be linked:
a.
After circle and square
— yes, it might be referring to the Elizabethan Gardens, but it also might NOT be–since we know for a fact that Preiss did not bury any casques in public or private flower beds, and also that the E. gardens is highly protected because of the layout and the plantings that are there.  Is  it
in
the gardens?
Not a chance
. What’s beyond the gardens? No one has found anything that points to a place a casque was buried. No one has found a place where it even might be. Regulus found a bench. he dug under it. Nothing.  Someone earlier found a gate. Nothing. Beyond that is the beach.
b.
Two maps
?  Which two?  No one agrees on this statement or what it means. Map of the area and map of the gardens? O-kaaaaay—-but isn’t that relatively obvious? I mean, like “duh obvious?” Of course you’d need two maps. Why put this in the verse if it’s so bleeding obvious? Makes little sense to me, and it needs to.
c.
Mica and driftwood
We’ve gone over and over this one. Mica is NOT SAND, no matter what you want it to be, and even though it MIGHT be a component of sand, it is a very SMALL component. Yes, NC has mica mines, and it’s a source for mica, but so are other places. Driftwood points to a beach, naturally–would Preiss bury a casque on a beach so that the tide would be absolutely certain to carry it off or change the composition of it, or drown it under water? I highly doubt it. ‘Beckoning path to mica and driftwood’ could be a path to the beach–yet, this area was explored unsuccessfully. Maybe it means something ELSE?
d.  Last touched and first seen standing: no one has come up with anything useful here either. Could be a flag. Could be the earth itself. Could be a tall tree. Could be a pole, a cliff, a fencepost, a bench seat–but NO ONE has agreed on what is IS.
2.  So after these uncertainties, what
certainties
do we have? The man of oz. White in color. Dark forest. July and August. To me, that’s not the entire verse–not even “almost everything” in the verse (as you stated.) And “man of oz” might not even mean Baum–but the TIN MAN or TIK-TOK, or the SHAGGY MAN. All those were “men of Oz.” Yet…The fact that Oz is not capitalized really bothers me, also. Oz with an intial cap is a place—oz without a cap is–what?  Slang for Australian, or the abbreviation for Ounce. A prison show on HBO. Maybe even a shortened version of the name Oswald–(like on the HBO series.)
3. Besides one small item–an outline of what might be Roanoke Island–there is nothing in the P. that matches directly. We have a suit of armor–which
could
be referring to Elizabethan–but which ISN’T Elizabethan by any stretch of the imagination. We have outstretched arms, which might be referring to wings (look north at the —) but which also point out that the V. says not wing
S
(plural) but WING (singular) so why depict both?  Okay, this is a bit pedantic–but it just doesn’t fit THAT well. And the items I mentioned can be fitted to a bunch of other ideas.
4. There are plenty of images in the P. that fits the WB Memorial as EQUALLY well as the V seems to fit the R. Island ideas.
5. There are plenty of images in the p. that
ought
to be fitted into a v. or solve—and these are not: like the little “spiked ball” on the armor’s right wrist which looks like a mace (why hasn’t Mace (the name) been explored?); the ‘horns’ on the helmet,the ‘hook’ from which the key ring dangles; the key and the ring itself, the image Sonoran found of the outline of the standing stone (and inscription), the fact that the armor’s arms look like airplane wings completel with struts and the decorations on his chest plate like airplane gauges…these would be summarily ignored by your theory–so that it can fit the P. in with v. 11. .
6. and the final thing:
No casque was recovered on Roanoke Island
.  No one has yet dug in the WB Memorial area or even fully explored it. Unlike Houston, where we CAN’T find it, no matter how accurate a match we have, this one wasn’t attempted with the same diligence. I don’t have any argument with the Houston find. I still have plenty of issues with Milwaukee, and do not believe the San Francisco ideas much at all–and as for New Orleans and Charleston?  Well, I found I could fit in both verse and picture to St. Louis, Mo. for the suppoed “new orleans” solution, and I can also fit the Charleston p. and v. into Niagara Falls!!  So now what?
So, Fox, if you want to pick on me, fine–go ahead–but remember, that you don’t have the answers either. You only WANT the answers to be Roanoke Island.  And why single me out for your critiques? There are a lot of people here–not just me. Other ideas have been bandied about–and some of them are downright odd. But you always come back to MINE for deep criticism. Why IS that?
I’d be paranoid, but I’d have to care more.
(just being funny here, ‘k?)
No, seriously, look back at your posts–I’m almost the only one you really pick apart like this. I think you have an issue.

Unknown

Unknown:
why hasn’t Mace (the name) been explored?

shecrab, sometimes I think we like to pick your ideas apart because they’re so darn plausible. Other suggestions I’ve seen are just too bizarre to warrant serious attention. Yours are different. Fox is pulling your hair because he
likes
you.
Ah, but it
has
been explored. See my reply in the Image 3 thread from Feb. 8 of this year.

I hope this one goes with Charlston because I was going to send my Aunt who lives about three hours from Charlston after it once we have found or accounted for the STL Casque.

I was driving east along the former Historic Highway No. 2 at night.  When I came to the sign saying Exit 22 ahead I snapped a photo of the “arc of lights” while driving.  It’s not the best shot and looks a little like a ufo sighting but here it is along with some extras I dug up to indicate that the site has been lit at night since it’s construction in 1916.  These are lamp posts along the outer drive loop seen in an old aerial photo.  A new photo shows they continue to be in place.

I drew this rough outline of the visual process in my paint program.  It allows me to show the outline of the boulder and how the tree on the other side is presented above where the casque could be buried so that the lines “beneath the only standing member / of a forest” make perfect sense.

might ABBOT simply mean its definition: a father? The city park arc of lights is on the Anseman entrance, with the namesake bridge just inside. Anseman is known as “the father of city park.”
Maybe WEST on the side of NOMA is confirmation of which direction to take the paces – west – just not actually west. After all, when facing that direction from the trunk, you are looking at the checkerboard patterned windows.

boogieman

I couldn’t find anything on balloons at the park.  I still like the definition of ascend in Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary
4. to ascend towards {as a river}.

I dont think you will find “actual” items related to the balloon flight from the park….I just think that Durant’s ascencion mearly confirms the park or area. I believe it is more like V1’s “Tower of delight” leading us to a work by Herman —-> leading us to Hermann Park.  There probably wont be a statue or monument of Hermann, just that part of the V got us to the correct park.
This is sounding very promising

Couldn’t wait.  Went to battery park today on a whim. (extended lunch, no camera this trip)
Too cold to take notes, but seen a lot of things. Nothing on balloons though.
Washinton St.- birthday (Lane2/22).  When you look up the street from the park you can see where the towers used to be. I’m pretty sure that from that point, you could only see one of them.  Narrow street. One lane. One car at a time.
Arc of lights- Not sure but you can see the Verrazano from there. (day time)
Weight and roots extended- the castle used to be surrounded by water.  Landfill saved the site?
citadel- we know.
Of granite walls-
http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_your_par … p?id=11995
All the walls where the heroes names are were made of granite.  Inscription at the site tells you so.  Very cool.
wind swept halls- cutting wind today. Although there are no halls within the castle, there are many stations within the structure, looks like halls. (stretch)
There are two giant flagpoles.  Only one, though in 82″.(edit:wrong, there were two)
Beneath
the one is a monument which the pole is mounted. Confusing, one side talks of west indies, another side speaks of ancient times when people flooded here from far away. Hmm.
There is an image of a sailboat on another side.  I will go back with a camera to document all this indeed.
Of a forest to the south- just south of the flag is a small garden area right near the Korean memorial.  Nothing in it but a small white stone, about two inches above ground and about two x three feet rectangular shape.  Not sure what it said, but it is old and donated by Israel.
Edit:As was posted here before, Eggbert I think, this is Jerusalem grove.  Although I don’t remember the marker being near the winding path of stones.
http://www.thebattery.org/battery/monuments.html
from the west side- The closest street to this part of the park is West Street.  Washington St t-bones West St. If one were to take 12 paces (30 ft?) from the west street side, which btw, the shape of the stone leads that way, it would take you to the egde of this
forest
and under a bench, that wraps around the entire park just about.
like I said, I will go back with notebook and camera, on a warm day I hope.  It was really a blur.  About 30 minutes of freezing my ears off. What do guys think so far?

Really liking all that has been linked to Battery Park w/in the last couple of days.
-why did BP use the word “ascended” instead of rose or flew?…….?
because hot air balloons ascend.  Here is an interesting snipit (scroll down to More Than Just Hot Air)
http://www.newsday.com/community/guide/ … navigation
-if these arent our “granite walls” I will eat my hat
Lastly, check this out:
“Battery Park Underpass Marker
Dedicated 1951
Description: Bronze plaque on exterior wall of tunnel entrance at Whitehall and South Streets.
Donor/Souce: New York City
Fabricator/Sculptor: U.S. Bronze Sign Company”
a tunnel at WhiteHALL street?  tunnels can sure get drafty…

You don’t have to eat your hat.  The inscription distintctly reads “made of granite”.  Absolutely. BTW, What kind of hat? LOL
One thing I forgot to mention, or didn’t think worthy at the time, the Brooklyn-Battrey Tunnel runs straight under Battery Park.  In fact, there are two huge air ventilation structures inside the park.  Wind swept? Nice idea.
I couldn’t find anything on balloons at the park.  I still like the definition of ascend in Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary
4. to ascend towards {as a river}.
http://pictures.galenfrysinger.com/us/n … .jpg 
. Draw a circle around our clock. maybe?
We’ll get it done.  Just a matter of time!

Hey four- just in case your dueling theory doesn’t pan out in NOLA…Here is a link I came across to a “dueler’s alley” in Chuck Town if you are sticking with the dueling theme . I hadn’t heard of it before…you?
http://charlestongateway.com/features/a … ers-alley/
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Here’s an alternative pairing and partial solution for V5, I1.
San Francisco Union Square:
• Lane – Maiden Lane, San Francisco formerly red light district Image 1 may’ve been modeled after Star Maiden statues.
• Two twenty two – Maiden Lane is a 2 block street, At the west end of the street it intersects Stockton. 222 Stockton building at the corner. A giant Pan Am sign was present on top of the building. Union Square is across the Stockton Street.
• You’ll see an arc of lights – Maiden Lane was strung up with lights. There might’ve been an arched entrance there too.
• Weight and roots extended –
• Together saved the site –
• Of granite walls –
• Wind swept halls –
• Citadel in the night –
• A wingless bird ascended – On top of the Dewey Monument is a wingless Victory. Victory is commonly winged, standing on globe holding wreath.
• Born of ancient dreams of flight – Origins from ancient Greek and Roman empires (winged victory)
• Beneath the only standing member – Under the victory is the only column in the square
• Of a forest To the south – Union Square had sets of palm trees on all four corners. So there were two sets of palm trees to the south
• White stone closest – On the south west side there was a white stone
• At twelve paces From the west side
• Get permission To dig out.
I only looked at the beginning and ending of the verse so others may chime in.
The monument features a 79-foot tall granite shaft topped by a pedestal and a bronzed figure of a woman representing both liberty and victory. The woman holds a trident and a laurel wreath, symbolizing both naval strength and victory.
Next to the Union Square is Morris building with spiral interior (Xanadu gallery), the only Frank Lloyd Wright building in SF. The building has a unique brick arched entrance. Not related, Frank Morris was a prisoner escapee from Alcatraz. That may explain bars on the gate in the painting.
https://noehill.com/sf/landmarks/sf072.asp
Powell street cable car runs by the square; Powell turntable is nearby that may be represented by the round table.

Choice, were you able to find a date for those two photos of Union Square? I’ve been looking at an I1/V6 combo for San Francisco, with a possible dig spot directly beneath the Victory column, but it looks like that plaza’s undergone a lot of renovation.

JamesV

Choice, were you able to find a date for those two photos of Union Square? I’ve been looking at an I1/V6 combo for San Francisco, with a possible dig spot directly beneath the Victory column, but it looks like that plaza’s undergone a lot of renovation.

Searching exclusively online I had a hard time finding good photos. I’m sure you could find better pics at the library.
Those are actually postcards from the 60’s I was able to find easily on ebay. You can buy them for under $2.
The square had gone through complete excavation and renovation in the early 2000’s so nothing there is original except for the Dewey monument.

So, typically when new theories or new interpretations of the commonly recognized clues are proffered, there is no shortage of postings about why the theory will not work. Not that this is a bad thing, there are just many ways in which the theories can be seen as biased interpretations of the individual offering the theory, or too subjective or intangible.
So far, nobody has come forward with any objections to my theory or proposed interpretations. I am not sure if this is a sign of the simplicity and straighforwardness of my offerings, or that most of you are bored with the hunt. What’s up?
I am going to make some effort to find whose permission is needed to dig at the site on Tuesday. I’ll let you all know what I find. On a side note, Mardi Gras is coming up, and that might be a real opportunity to have all official eyes focused on the downtown area rather than evenly spread on areas, including the park.
Absent any rising doubt regarding the “solution,” I am going to make a serious effort to see this spot dug.

Glossiphoniidae

I am not sure if this is a sign of the simplicity and straighforwardness of my offerings, or that most of you are bored with the hunt. What’s up?

Not bored! I just don’t have a reaction. I guess I find it really difficult to associate any verse other than V2 with New Orleans, so it’s hard for me to see how this will work.

forest_blight

Not bored! I just don’t have a reaction. I guess I find it really difficult to associate any verse other than V2 with New Orleans, so it’s hard for me to see how this will work.

That’s the beauty of it, and I think the tricky part of the puzzle. So many verses are so easy to “associate” with a particular image. It becomes very hard to recognize that another verse is even a possibility. But when the feel-good verse doesn’t have exact interpretations, it’s really hard to let go. I try to remember that the picture gets us to the city, the verse gets us to the spot.

Good luck four.
I know we shouldn’t necessarily use the solved sites as a baseline for the others considering only two have been solved, but do you believe that each image has a confirmer that you see at the dig spot? If so what from this image is near the oak?

After thinking about it I forgot about the arrow which could be it. And when standing at the MM stone the arrow will be oriented the same as the right image arrow.

So, to recap, is this the “MM stone”…?
http://goo.gl/maps/nVgHX
Is this where you plan to dig…? Not sure what this MM stone is; I can’t see anything in the thread identifying it.
And is that the duelling oak dead ahead of it…? I’m not following the logic of this yet.
Brainstorming…maybe the stick and the moon with the “12” between them could represent the tree and the stone. (Possible tie-in with “preservation” and “saved the site”.)
Also wondered whether “A wingless bird ascended” might tie in with the Armstrong idea in the pic, or whether “two twenty two” could indicate a time on the clockface.
Were the three stones labelled “1”, “2”, “3” visible at the location added later…?

“White stone closest
At twelve paces
From the west side”
The MM stone is EAST of the tree. So WEST side of the stone is towards the tree.

You need to orient the aerial view so that the arrow shaped island of grass is pointing north making the stone west of the oak. *See previous posts for pics*

FWIW
360 views story land
http://www.neworleanscitypark.com/in-the-park/storyland
360 of old grove
http://www.neworleanscitypark.com/in-th … -city-park
360 peristyle
http://www.neworleanscitypark.com/renta … /peristyle
http://www.neworleanscitypark.com/about
B4 AFT @ city park
http://www.katrinadestruction.com/image … ewsIndex=1
http://www.katrinadestruction.com/image … ewsIndex=1
http://www.katrinadestruction.com/image … te_images/

WhiteRabbit

So, to recap, is this the “MM stone”…?
http://goo.gl/maps/nVgHX
Is this where you plan to dig…? Not sure what this MM stone is; I can’t see anything in the thread identifying it.

Unknown

Unknown:
And is that the duelling oak dead ahead of it…? I’m not following the logic of this yet.

Unknown

Unknown:
Brainstorming…maybe the stick and the moon with the “12” between them could represent the tree and the stone. (Possible tie-in with “preservation” and “saved the site”.)

Unknown

Unknown:
Also wondered whether “A wingless bird ascended” might tie in with the Armstrong idea in the pic, or whether “two twenty two” could indicate a time on the clockface.

Unknown

Unknown:
Were the three stones labelled “1”, “2”, “3” visible at the location added later…?

yes, this is the Marcel Montreuil Garden Stone marker, placed in 1952 and surrounded by camellia’s until 2003, when they were removed to make the sculpture garden.
yes.
I’ve thought maybe they are the tree and the “this site” sign next to it.
not sure i understand this…
yes. 2007 i think.

four, do i have this right, you are going to dig, west of where this old rock wall was
on the left is tree area
http://goo.gl/maps/GwmfI
this img is south of tree
http://goo.gl/maps/RZ0cZ
info on img,taken 2009, uploaded 2011
https://ssl.panoramio.com/photo/62104146
pdf about some of the markers
http://www.neworleanscitypark.com/asset … cument.pdf

So I went poking around Sullivan’s Island yesterday, following JamesV’s theory. Here are some thoughts I had as I progressed through:
1. The ostrich feather reference for Chief Osceloa is pretty obscure and I am not sure anyone would get that without a ton of research (I maybe wrong though)
2. The history of slavery and the theme of immigration are very strong on Sullivan’s along with the war history
3. The arc of lights reference is tough to pin down being that it is plural. Most people would not know Sullivan’s Island lighthouse is a special dual lamp
4. The Fort is mostly brick so the granite walls theme was hard for me to pick up on
5. The “missing tree” is almost exactly 12 paces to the wall
6. The leaves on the “missing tree” do not look like any type of cypress I can identify and not like the needles in the picture
7. There is a large white stone in a World War II memorial park right across the street from Stella Maris church and the Fort (looks old but not sure when it was placed)
8. There is a large, odd looking tree there as well. Looks pretty old, but you never know, especially with hurricanes and storms
9. Edgar Allen Poe theme is also very strong on the island, with a library and street named for him. (Also a restaurant and public library)
That’s it for now. It was fun to spend time at these sites, reading the history and enjoying the area. Hope to make it downtown for another scouting mission for V6 soon.
Regards,
Mac

Macfos

There is a large white stone in a World War II memorial park right across the street from Stella Maris church and the Fort

…yeah…
…people, the forum’s Search function is your friend. Four21thrasher was posting photos of it in 2012. The area’s been dug at least once. (Not enough for my liking. I’d be happy for someone to excavate that thing.)

Correct. And as stated in the previous posts there are 2 large, high voltage boxes behind the stone. Not safe to probe or dig without getting the area marked.
Regards,
Mac

Macfos

Not safe to probe or dig

Aw c’mon, no-one ever got rich without taking a few risks.

Cooked critter if you hit those lines, but man it is tempting…
Regards,
Mac

Popular opinion is that this verse matches Charleston or New York.  I have not heard anyone say anything about Florida.
Regarding converting the numbers to letters, don’t for get that in addition to being read as 2 – 20 – 2 (BTB) it could read 2 – 22 (BV).

LOL  😀

I finally got through Verse 5, but unfortunately I have very little original to offer. Maybe this will serve to spur conversation.
Lane
Two twenty two
It is hard for me to believe that this actually refers to the number 222.
Could refer to IIXXII or CXXII. Possibly 2202.
More obscurely, it could mean 2(20)+2=42 or 2+20+2=24.
dan39decoy
:
“Lane BTB might give us B.T. Boulevard or B.T. Bridge.”
You’ll see an arc of lights
fox
:
“could the line mentioning the arc of lights be referring to Joan of Arc whose visions came in bright lights? She was famous for the Battle of Orleans and N.O. sure has a lot of statues, churches, you name it named after her.”
In support of this, there is an actual arc of lights in Image 7, what we think is the N.O. image. At least two other verses reference some aspect of their matching pictures, so there is a precedent.
Weight and roots extended
Together saved the site
Implies that the “site” wouldn’t be there but for the presence of a large tree?
Dan Amrich
:
“…could well be a pun on “routes” so if there is an extension on Cty Rd 222…”
fox
:
“could this be referring to the 1906 Earthquake?  This building was only 1 of a few that survived the quake.  I havent found a concrete statement saying the bldg was saved by large underground roots but the bldg itself weighs appx 57,000 metric tons.  That alone sounds like a good way to survive (be saved) from a quake.”
Of granite walls
Wind swept halls
Citadel in the night
Egbert
:
“A Federal Courthouse in San Francisco has granite walls and halls with an ancient nautical figure that blows wind.”
http://www.cr.nps.gov/seac/building.htm
Why did he write “Wind swept” when it is properly spelled “Windswept”? could the misspelling be significant?
A wingless bird ascended
Born of ancient dreams of flight
Could be a rocket or a helicopter
johann
:
the Empire State and Chrysler buildings were to be used for dirigibles, tied to the top of the buildings.
In support of this theory, someone else pointed out that the bird in Image 12 (which may be N.Y. City) looks just like the bird gargoyles atop the Chrysler building. These would be wingless birds ascended, all right.
Flight could refer to fleeing something, or to a flight of stairs, but doubtful.
Beneath the only standing member
Of a forest
To the south
Something in close proximity to the casque site?
White stone closest
At twelve paces
From the west side
Again, local directions once you’re in the immediate vicinity.
Get permission
To dig out.
I think we can take these last two lines at face value.
Finally, I found some analysis by johann compelling, so I repeat it here:
johann
:
OK, here is a theory connecting this verse to the New York pic (12):
“Of granite walls / Wind swept halls”
The Cloisters, museum of medieval art,
as pic 12 has a rounded medieval arch and perhaps
representation of mosaic (in Fort Tryon Park)
“Citadel in the night”
could be FORT Tryon Park or Castle Clinton in
Battery Park (from which one takes the ferry to
the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island, and formerly
in view of the WTC which might be depicted in
pic 12)
“A wingless bird ascended / Born of ancient dreams of flight”
“Beneath the only standing member of a forest”
a tower in Bridge Park (?)
“White stone closest”
White Stone Bridge from Manhattan to Bronx

I find it interesting to think its a Mt. Hood usage on my theory here and its a Little Red Riding Hood usage on Milwaukee.  I have a little wiggle room for wonder when I see unlikely connections.  Could be its nonsensical as much as itbis purposeful.  Could also be the two pints of stout I’m drinkin.
I had a dream that I had my feet on the ground looking for a casque.  In it I took different options from the points of references in the landscape and tried to find the most logical way to choose a dig spot.  I’ve been doing that during the day when I take the kids to the park.  Its a fun game to play.  I found a spot locally that I’m going to author as a hunt.  I’m doing the same thing that I think is going on here.  I think people haven’t really taken any steps to look for the sensible method for choosing a spot.  I think there’s been much talk about sites and much digging, most not admitted to, and I’ve never seen anyone put forth anything concise.  Instead we have people digging on a guess.  The world is three-dimensional and offers many suitable reference points enough to be concise.
I think the best tool to use as we work to solve any location is the idea of the “hat”.  Everything that has a top, a peak, a dome, a spire, a bell, a head, a chimney stack, etc. becomes a viable option for locating a concise point.

bigmattyh

I keep thinking of the phrase: “When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras.”

I grok you, but can you dig?
Honestly I believe it might help to consider BPs every word as a possible turn of meaning.  If Lane happens to be a person of great significance to Oregon history then the assertion that Oregon is possibly the state shouldn’t spook the zebras…if nothing else it should cause a stamped of pintos.

erexere

I grok you, but can you dig?

erexere,
Just wondering…are you a Heinlein fan?
AP

I attached Heinlein to my wrist in 1990, but it was cut short when I met a girl, which resulted in a new arrival, whom has just won a full ride scholarship to a nice college.
I bet BP was a Heinlein fan.

Congrats on the scholarship for your progeny!
There are so many Heinlein-isms in our daily life….

boogieman

The entire northern section of the park is under construction.  I walked around the ventilation shafts and there wasn’t a stone in sight.  I looked at Fox’s flagpole near South St.  Years ago, it was all sand around the base.  Now it’s concrete and pavers.  (please don’t be there, right Wilhouse!)

YES!
to be honest, though I never thought Preiss could bury the casque in Hermann Park (which I don’t believe he did), I don’t think he would bury it in Battery Park either. Not his style.  If it’s there, it’s out of the way in some secluded area.
wilhouse

Good work boogs – looking forward to seeing those pictures.

Thanks FB.  Here it is the dig:
http://www.freewebs.com/patcash/batterypark.htm
(pics not ready yet)

Last line analysis:
To dig out. = To Dugout, a type of canoe crafted from a large tree trunk

I am unable to post anything.
This is a test post.

Aah, my bad.  Thanks for the correction FB

well i do know that fort sumter was made of granite ;]

and it is a citadel….but how bout the elusive 222?

Good to have you back Fox

One of these days…hopefully in the very near future…I will be back up and running at home with some spare time to find us a casque…

I know that the topic of Canada recently resurfaced and that the possibility of Niagara had been mentioned in the past. I was mulling (and Googling) over Lane Two Twenty Two. Could it be a reference to Lundy’s Lane in Niagara Canada?  During the Lundy Lane Battle in the War of 1812, a ship called the Penguin went down at two twenty two. Haven’t had time to see if the area could fit the rest of the verse, but I thought I’d throw it out there.
Shannon

Wow…that sparked a whole new trail…..
I did just a little bit of prelim research here, because I’ve been a proponent of Niagara Falls since starting this hunt. However, I was tying it into image 2 and v 10.  I Had never considered v. 5….but here’s what I found:
Lundy’s Lane is indeed the scene of a battle–fought at night. (Citadel in the night)
22 Soldiers are buried in the vault beneath the monument
there were two separate references I found for ‘arc of lights’ both of which led me straight to Niagara, and both of which involve Nikola Tesla, who received a patent for arc lighting modification and who has two monuments at NF, one of which is an ARC–as in the Arc d’Triomphe. (That’s what it looks like.) “Arc Light” is also the name of a film by a Canadian man who filmed a travelogue into the Grand Canyon AND Niagara Falls–but that was made in 2003. I just found that delicious, but don’t suspect any connection.
The rest of the verse will be much harder to pinpoint unless the “forest” it refers to is something other than actual trees.
Very interesting thought, however!!  Thanks, Shannon!

Glossiphoniidae

I’ve been trying to pin down a line in one of the “remaining” verses that pinpoints Montreal, as I think the lamppost irrefutably puts the image there (though, you may disagree).
A couple of insights I thought I’d share include:
Legeater – George Stephens (of Mount Stephens Club) was the president of the Bank of Montreal
Weight and roots extended / Together saved this site – Plaque on Bank of Montreal Reads “The Stone Fortifications of Ville-Marie extended from Dalhousie Square through this site”
Lane -The equivalent of NYC’s Wall St. is Montreal’s Fortification Lane
Citadel – less than a block north of mount stephen club on Drummond St. is the Salvation Army Citadel, prominently tapped in stone.
This could obviously all just be stupidity, I just though I’d share some interesting connections. I’d sure like to nail down one of those verse/image links, though.

I don’t think this is stupidity at all.  I’ve been doing the same thing with a similar George Stephen connection to use this verse with the Royal Victoria Hospital.  I was only looking at areas still within the Golden Square Mile, due to the way the clue is drawn, but I never knew about the Plaque on the Bank. I’m a firm believer that Verse 5 matches with Image 9 and Montreal, even if process of elimination plays a significant role in my arriving at that conclusion.
http://secretwiki.tomburns.net/index.ph … tal_Theory
Here’s where I’m at:
Cask 1 – Verse 7 – San Francisco, California
Cask 2 – Verse 6 – Charleston, South Carolina
Cask 3- Verse 11 – Roanoke Island, North Carolina
Cask 4 – Verse 4 – Cleveland, Ohio (SOLVED)
Cask 5 – Verse 12 – Chicago, Illinois (SOLVED)
Cask 6 – Verse 9 – St. Augustine, Florida
Cask 7 – Verse 2 – New Orleans, Louisiana
Cask 8 – Verse 1 – Houston, Texas
Cask 9 – Verse 5 – Montreal, Quebec
Cask 10 – Verse 8 – Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Cask 11 – Verse 3 – Boston, Massachusetts
Cask 12 – Verse 10 – New York, New York

The first lighthouse postioned
SouthWest of the Fort.
(The new one oft pictured is
NorthWest of the Fort)
This link is good at explaining the history
of the ‘range of lights’
http://www.angelfire.com/SouthCarolina/ … Light.html

Unknown

Unknown:
I think the key difference to be made between the two choices is the word “saved”
This would indicate a possibility of loss averted.

I agree that “saved” is important. I interpret this to mean saving a historically important site. If it refers to Castle Clinton in Battery Park, it could refer either to the landfill project that extended the tip of Manhattan to encompass the fort, or to the public outcry that saved the fort from demolition that was planned to make way for a thoroughfare.

I thought about this verse really hard today — as a riddle. I’m not sure I can contribute anything important, but maybe my thoughts will inspire someone else to further insights.
Lane
Two twenty two
Why is
Lane
on a separate line from
Two twenty two
? Some conjectures:
He just felt like writing it that way, and it isn’t significant.
Perhaps
Lane
has nothing at all to do with
Two twenty two
. Maybe Lane is a person’s name?
A wingless bird ascended
Born of ancient dreams of flight
I’m really liking the Durant balloon theory for this one.
Weight and roots extended
Together saved the site
Of granite walls
Wind swept halls
Citadel in the night
roots extended
could refer to descendants of ancestors who arrived in the U.S. at Castle Clinton during the last half of the 19th century.
Beneath the only standing member
Of a forest
To the south
White stone closest
Some different ways to interpret these lines:
Beneath the only standing member of a forest (which is located to the south of the casque site)…
Beneath the only standing member of a forest (which is located in the Southern part of the country)…
Beneath the only standing member of a forest. To the south, white stone closest…
Beneath the only
standing
member of a forest (implying that the other members are somehow lying prostrate)…
Beneath the
only
standing member of a forest (implying that the other members are simply not there)…
What could this
standing member
be?
It could be a tree. This is the most literal interpretion, given that BP wrote
forest
.
It could be metaphorical, indicating something that stands and is usually found in groups, but
this
one is on its own.
It could be a flagpole, a statue, a tree, a monument, etc.
Or,
only standing member / Of a forest
could be some sort of play on words. Some literal translations:
sole tree
only tree
lone tree
lonely tree
one tree
At twelve paces
From the west side
Get permission
To dig out.
What does BP mean by the end of the verse? Here are some possibilities:
He might have meant to find the
standing member
and proceed 12 paces west of it, then dig.
He could mean to find the
standing member
12 paces from the west side of something else prominent and obvious, then to dig beneath it.

Man, am I hesitant to get back into this…  This verse can fit either location.  If this is indeed for p2, than v10 must be the NYer and our p12.  Between battery park and the WTC (ground zero), so much has been destroyed or just remodeled.  The Peter Minuit Plaza is under total reconstruction that without Mr. Preiss, it would be almost impossible to decipher.
Weight and roots extended- the Palmetto tree seems like a better fit for
roots
, I begrudgently have to admit.  But Battery Park extended has both weight and roots as well. I’m going to assume, for now that The Grey Giant is now One World Trade center and see where it goes.  I’ve scratched my head so much I’m bleeding.

I think the key difference to be made
between the two choices is the word
“saved”
This would indicate a possibility of loss
averted.
I don’t know the historical significance of
Battery Park (although I should)
Fort Moultrie is singled out individually as saving
the British Invasion for its unique position.
It could see the ships coming before the ships
had to sail around the harbor and come up from the
south.  A distinct advantage.
Does Battery Park have a simialr distinction?
Was this particular spot going to be lost as opposed
to the rest if the harbor?
Also, the fact that the only road leading into the island
is called station 22.  How is the first lines connected to the Battery?

And isn’t there a match on the image for this site.
(Across from Sumter)
I do not see anyother verse that has a nearly
good fit with this.
FWIW… I do think the grey giant refers to
something in NY but I am between
Fort Greene and Prospect Park.

like…like…mine…XD!

Exactly

whereas gsh is prob the most important part of the mtl puzzle, i can assure you its not there. ;p

bignate

Renovator, I understand your point. However it seems to me that the 2 casques were found by some amount of trial and error.
Sure, we shouldn’t have blinders on and assume that we have the verses assigned to the right cities. But at the same time it is important to rely upon all the work that has been done up to this point over the years (on this forum) to narrow the search as much as it has.
I for one feel pretty convinced that verse 5 is Montreal and will proceed with my knucklehead ideas because nothing else looks as promising. Maybe I will be proven wrong, but I’ll be in good company and would be happy to admit it when the time comes.
Now, in the spirit of me charging ahead on my blind alley: what on earth could be “wind swept halls” in the Golden Square Mile area of Montreal??? I mean, not a lot of open-air Spanish villas in sight. Could it mean a painting in the museum of art? (Along with one with granite walls?)

I see the “wind swept halls” as that many different corridors throughout the various buildings in Olympic Park. These are in the open-air and if you’ve ever been to any outdoor sporting events (baseball, soccer, football, tennis) then you’ve experienced the winds blowing through the venue.

Unknown

Unknown:
think outside of the box….

They are. Just not here.

Unknown

Unknown:
I can only read the same thing over and over so many times before I want to pull a Seabass.

Now you’re getting it.

Fenix

Sorry guys but I think the point of my post was lost on you two. The goal of this exercise was not to convince me why your theorized dig spot is correct. I’ve read the entire “solves”(ok, maybe not all of them) and you can never convince me of either.
I was reminiscing about Q4T circa 2004-2006 earlier today. Nobody had solves back then. People discussed portions of the verses or images. Back and forth ideas were shared and debated. It was good stuff. Yeah, I get it, times have changed but it kind of sucks now doesn’t it.
There is simply less to discuss because everybody has solves. Let’s face it, just about every solve that we have seen has weak spots. Most have several and they are glaring. That said there are good ideas out there. I imagine you all know your strong points from your weak ones, right? How about instead of having 10 solves, we focus on discussing and refining your weakest spots.

I thought that’s what everyone was doing. I certainly wasn’t trying to convince anyone of my solve, just sharing it.
A few months ago I might have tried to convince you guys that my solves were “THE” solves. I’ve stopped doing that because it is clearly a waste of time. And yes times have changed, I mean with all the great info that all the searchers have come up with over the last decades it has to move forward. I thoroughly enjoy the back-n-forth on various ideas. I look at ideas from others to try to get me “away” from my solve and into even better locations.

erexere

… other parts of verse kill the debate.

the only thing that can kill the debate is digging.

Dan Amrich

Lane
Two twenty two
You’ll see an arc of lights
Weight and roots extended
Together saved the site
Of granite walls
Wind swept halls
Citadel in the night
A wingless bird ascended
Born of ancient dreams of flight
Beneath the only standing member
Of a forest
To the south
White stone closest
At twelve paces
From the west side
Get permission
To dig out.

Is this the correct version of the verse with line breaks?  I didnt know Lane was on its own line.
After much review of Chicago and Cleveland and other pertaining comments, I find myself addressing verse 5 with a new approach.
I’m still strong on “Lane” being a surname of either the first territorial Governor of the Oregon Territory or The first Governor of the Lost Colony…that’s Joseph or Ralph.  In terms of new world exploration, the Columbia River and Roanoke are very strong candidates and so image 6 with Ponce and image 3 with the outline of Roanoke make very good candidates.  I confess that verse 11 seems to be the better fit to image 3 with the compelling reference to “White” and his color maps, although verse 5 also uses “White” in reference to a stone.  BP is so clever!
Wingless bird ascending, has been much discussed and I now back down from my “beak on a rock” interpretation in favor of a more localized and simple approach: using ‘wing’ in its verb form ‘wingless’ may mean ‘flightless’ and ‘ascending’ is enough to suggest any form of upward orientation.  Ancient dreams of flight, is cryptic so much that I can only guess its meaning.  Socrates, before his eternal sleep from drinking hemlock, tells Crito to remember repayment of a cock to Asclepius.  This is a deeper but more economical and literary view befitting of BP in my opinion.  If I suggest the references pertain to Rooster Rock, which is an upward pointing land formation on the Columbia River, then it meets several selected criteria: flightlessness is common with roosters especially if caponized, Ancient = Greece’s Socrates, dreams = death = hemlock (look for a coniferous tree?), Asc-end = Asc-Lipus…
Well, I am sure this will amuse some of you that I can’t stop playing with this verse.

I always thought balloon ascension.
If verse7 doesn’t fit image 1 then this would be my 2nd choice, but because there I cannot fit a Balloon ascension to the end of the picture path
(although I can fit one to the beginning of the path in GGpark) I have discarded this as a possibility

erexere

I confess that verse 11 seems to be the better fit to image 3 with the compelling reference to “White” and his color maps, although verse 5 also uses “White” in reference to a stone.  BP is so clever!

There is much more than just “White” linking V11 to the Roanoke/Lost Colony area.
1.  “Pass two friends of octave”   —  more than likely is referring the Wright Brothers who were friends of Octave Chanute
2.  “…. leads to Dark forest”  —  seems to be referring to the sign at the entrance of the Elizabethan Gardens which says “..away through the dark forest..”   as seen here
http://www.elizabethangardens.org/tourkey1.html
3.  “To achieve By dauntless and inconquerable Determination Your goal”  —  Displayed on the Wright Bros Monument (possibly our “wing” to the north) is:   “In Commemoration of the conquest of the air by the brothers Wilbur and Orville Wright. Conceived by genius. Achieved by dauntless resolution and unconquerable faith.”  http://www.outerbankschamber.com/main/wright-memorial-on-the-outer-banks-nc/
These are just 3 of the more compelling lines, there are several other things that seem to point us to the Roanoke area for a casque.  We have our concrete ling of I to site such as I2 to Charleston & I10 to Milwaukee.  To me, this is one of the most concrete V to site linking..along with our “SELOY” V.

I totally agree with you This image verse leads to Roanoke.

I wasnt so well aware of those other links to Roanoke.  Thanks.
I’m marvelling at the coinciding bits that almost pull an alternate verse towards a site, but then other parts of verse kill the debate.

Anyone still considering that this matches Image 9 and Montreal?
In addition to the Salvation Army Citadel and the Quebec Citadelle that have been talked about, I also finally matched the old location of the Montreal Citadel (destroyed in the early 1800s) with the current city. It’s westernmost point was near where Rue Notre Dame meets Rue Berri, and Rue Saint Louis runs to the old fort as well, just 2 blocks west of Notre Dame. Maybe there are plaques nearby mentioning the Citadel.
Obviously doesn’t match up with the Golden Square Mile, but I always perk up when I see a St. Louis anyway, and this one happened to be by a Citadel.

Once someone has any reason to think something is so, it’s never easy to explain it away.  At that point, it’s easier to produce something tangible than it is to wax dialectic.
Either I didn’t express it strongly enough or the Tower of FOY was just too threatening, but I know there is an exact match to the boulder because I saw it from many angles as I walked around it.  What I missed was taking a photo of the correct angle, because I literally had a wife and two kids sitting in the hot car all pissed at me while 3 cop cars and and a news van were parked at the scene since some major arrest was in progress…we were on our way home from a wedding and our feet hurt from dancing.  Bet you don’t get that kind of drama at FOY.
So, on Christmas Eve, I’ll be heading up to Washington for a special project, I’ll remember to take a detour at the exit lane 22 and I’ll take a photo from the exact angle BP surely used 30 years ago.  Then you can look at it and decide how you feel about tiny insignificant tourist sites in tiny little towns.  Gosh, If I have the time I will sink the iron rod in the spot I believe the casque rests and i’ll know it’s there for sure.  I won’t be digging it up however, since I don’t have permission without an archaeologist present and the authorities are aware of my activities.

Unknown

Unknown:
To even get me to consider this being somewhere else you would have to explain away an awful lot,  and personally I hate the idea of one being in FOY it doesnt make sense to me that he would bury it on private property when there is a public park 100 yards away…

There could be many reasons. First, he may not have realized it was on private property. (Probably this is the simplest and most likely explanation.) Second, it may not have BEEN private at the time, or the boundaries may not have been clearly defined as they are now. Third, it has not been recovered IN FOY, so perhaps it IS in the public area. We don’t know, because we have not dug there. Fourth, it’s not likely it would be on private property, despite the matches and confirmers–the water tower in Chicago was not at the site, the Bowman was not at the site, the water fairy fountain was not at the site; in Cleveland, the Italian fountain was not at the site, the columns were not –but all these things confirmed the LOCATION in general. The casque in Image image 6 is simply NOT in Oregon. Period. I don’t care what matches Erexere has found for the boulder. It doesn’t even make sense that it would be Oregon. There are too many confirmers for St. Augustine.

Even in the 80s you had to go through a gate that had the hours posted on it.
to get to the wind rose, you had to pay admission and go through a separate inner gate.
However we pretty much know he buried one in the Children’s Zoo in Houston, So it is not inconcievable. just to me far-fetched.
Yes Chicago was not at the Bowman however it was at the Fence/post which is in the image
Cleveland was not at the Italian fountain, however it was at the Wall, which is in the image.
My point being. something in the painting is viewable from the casque site.  and after several visits to FOY the only things I have spotted in the image are  the statue of ponce and the inlet bordering the east side of the park.

gManTexas

Verse 1 goes with Houston.

But it seems that even in the early days of this thread, which was ALL spitballing, Houston never came up? Is that only because the verse 1 theory was already considered gospel so nobody even considered it? I am working on a theory and solve based on verse 5 for Houston. I may end up being wrong, but I think it’s time to challenge the proverbial sacred cow. Lots of things are lining up logically from the verse in an area of the city that makes sense. There are two things that drew me to Houston for this verse.
The first is the wingless bird that ascends. There have been all manner of guesses associated with this, but to me, it seems hard for me to believe it could be anything other than a rocket. Houston is the only city that has strong ties to the space program out of those we believe are represented in The Secret.
The second is that while “two twenty two” is not readily correlated to Houston in a general sense, I believe it may be present in illustration 8. At P2 (bottom left corner), there is a paving stone that is broken in two. That broken stone sits within two rows of 11 paving stones. One broken stone in 2 pieces, 22 total stones in those rows. They are the only rows in the illustration that can definitively be counted due to lack of obstruction. Two Twenty Two?

A-Dub

But it seems that even in the early days of this thread, which was ALL spitballing, Houston never came up? Is that only because the verse 1 theory was already considered gospel so nobody even considered it? I am working on a theory and solve based on verse 5 for Houston. I may end up being wrong, but I think it’s time to challenge the proverbial sacred cow. Lots of things are lining up logically from the verse in an area of the city that makes sense. There are two things that drew me to Houston for this verse.
The first is the wingless bird that ascends. There have been all manner of guesses associated with this, but to me, it seems hard for me to believe it could be anything other than a rocket. Houston is the only city that has strong ties to the space program out of those we believe are represented in The Secret.
The second is that while “two twenty two” is not readily correlated to Houston in a general sense, I believe it may be present in illustration 8. At P2 (bottom left corner), there is a paving stone that is broken in two. That broken stone sits within two rows of 11 paving stones. One broken stone in 2 pieces, 22 total stones in those rows. They are the only rows in the illustration that can definitively be counted due to lack of obstruction. Two Twenty Two?

I say put your solution on here and see what feedback you get. What we also have to consider is the longitude and latitude clues in the images. If we ignore that for a second, what city does Verse 1 now belong to? Does Montreal and Houston switch verses?

gManTexas

I say put your solution on here and see what feedback you get. What we also have to consider is the longitude and latitude clues in the images. If we ignore that for a second, what city does Verse 1 now belong to? Does Montreal and Houston switch verses?

I need to verify a couple of things but will post soon if I still feel I’m onto something. As for Verse 1, I have no clue. Maybe it would could be matched to Montreal. Maybe it will cause us to look elsewhere if disassociated with Houston.

Ok, I’ve researched these archives but I’ve not yet seen a correlation of V5 to Image 8 (Houston). Why?

A-Dub

Ok, I’ve researched these archives but I’ve not yet seen a correlation of V5 to Image 8 (Houston). Why?

Verse 1 goes with Houston.

How far is 12 paces?
Try this on Google Maps:
– Click on Maps Labs at bottom of left panel
– Enable Distance Measuring Tool
– Save changes
– Click on ruler tool icon bottom left corner of map
– Units: Select “I’m feeling geeky”
– Select Roman double paces
on drop down box
– Click on map to place first point
– Click on second point and move to 6 double paces
– Try other units.
12 paces = 29 feet or 350 inches
see also pace(unit) and pace(surveying) on Wikipedia
but does one pace equal 2 steps?

Wow, that eagle face is an excellent match!  And, the photo in the second link (
http://www.graphitepaddle.com/images/EllisIsland1.jpg
) includes a building which might be a match for the Russian Orthodox-like building in image 12!  Excellent finds!

Time to revive this and go to the NY theory.
Statue on Ellis Island. Eagle
face
exact to image12.
http://www.mikesjournal.com/Ellis%20Isl … Detail.jpg
Both Ellis Island and Battery Park were built up with landfill to make them bigger
“Weight and root extended
together saved the site”
Both places were once considered “citadels”
“in the night” could mean across the river
View “from the west” of Ellis Island
http://www.graphitepaddle.com/images/EllisIsland1.jpg
You better “get permission to dig out”
Thanks Fox

I do not intend to cause trouble, and this idea may be far-fetched, but perhaps this verse can be connected to pic 2 if the “citadel” refers to Charleston’s The Citadel, which is located at 171 Moultrie St. beside Ashley River on one side and Hampton Park on the other (across Circle Drive of Hampton Park).  Circle Drive surrounds Hampton Park, which used to have animals until they were moved to Charleston Landing.  I found this:
“Hampton Park: Located near The Citadel.  This park contained a small zoo at one time.  At times, Cadets at The Citadel could hear the lion roaring.”  (
www.bestreadguide.com/charleston/storie … /att_parks
)
Hampton Park used to have a bandstand and still has a bridge, a water fountain and a central path.  (I am not sure why I included this last bit of info.)
This is just an idea to throw in the mix.

johann

OK, here is a theory connecting this verse to the New York pic (12):
“Of granite walls / Wind swept halls”

Whoa! This was originally your brainchild. LOL  Johann, your ideas have been some of the best.  Keep posting them just in case we’re wron.. er, wrong.
May26, 2004

Personally I would love for this verse to be in Charleston, since I live within (what I consider) driving distance. However, I doubt BP meant Citadel to be taken so literally.

You would have to know who to talk to and when. In this case the NPS would likely have us dig at a time when the park is closed. It would be a good idea to talk to as few people as possible though.
In this perticular case the one group that could have dug it up and not told would be the SC Historical Society but I personally do not think so. This is an issue that we will need to look into prier to any dig. We will have to think about how we aproach this.

Already have—  It is not in any way suspicious to carry around a “walking stick, (With a 3.5′ hash mark or something)”  And you could sharpen the end of it for probing.  The shovel is fairly easy too– An E-Tool fits in a backpack and, best of all, is collapsible.  You shouldn’t pay more than five or ten bucks for one at any Army/Navy Surplus.

I submit my theory for Verse 5
Lane
Two Twenty Two    [An address or number near by]
You’ll see an arc of lights        [This is a reference what used to be the Silas PEARman bridge]
Weights and roots…                 [Ft Sumter/Ft Moultrie  This is an area clue to link the image]
Citadel in the night                   [A light house. Sullivan island ]
A wingless bird ascended       [Helicopter]
Born of ancient dreams of flight       [museum with vietnam era helicopters at Patriot Pouint]
Beneath the only standing member          [a tree, specifically the same kind of tree in the image. I believe its a type of evergreen or pine]
The star on the figure in the image has a star that matches the US Airforce emblem on the helicopters. South of Patriots Point is the only spot on that side of Charleston where you can see the arc of lights. I theorize its near patriots point instead of Ft Moutrie because of this. There is a docking area south of there but it has seen much renovation. Although the treasure may be lost to time on this one, I want to prove my theory corret by retrieving old photos or maps of the area. They may have renamed the streets and numbers.
It might be worth a look for anyone near Charleston to pass by the docking parking lot. It seems like the type of nondescript area Preiss would choose.

Fox: It appears to be a gazebo or patio of some sort, from the street view.

WhiteRabbit

Tulane, duelling oaks, arc of lights…I like that a lot.

I have plenty more in the bag, but nobody seems interested.

I’ve given up. I’ve been trying to solve “The Oracle – Lost In Time” since Christmas but I’ve just given up on that as well.
I’m just a quitter I guess.

No takers??
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2. the condition of being double; duality.
3. the state of being dual or consisting of two parts; division into two.
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Lane Two = Two lane = Tulane
Two twenty two = two twenty Two = 2 20 2 = 222
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Dualism… Duelling trees… 12 paces
Why would BP say paces when they are subjective? Because they are used in duels.
Why would BP say only standing member of a forest? The other duelling oak fell, in a hurricane, and they reside(d) in the largest collection (forest) of live oaks in the world.
Why would BP say we need to get permission to dig out? Because it’s not a quick smash-and-grab job… everybody’s paces are different.
Wouldn’t want to go tearing up this area and get shot.
Only one people traveled to Louisiana… check which page… 222…
The Post Monster General… mail man… male man… msilauD
The entire Image 7 has to do with dualism, being split, halves, one thing in contrast to another. The fingers might even be indicating two. Most of the image’s clues work to identify two things/places in the area… which is why this image is (has been?) so confusing.
Once the dual/duel clicks, the place to go that will allow you to follow the exact directions in the verse becomes clear. And then you see “the last hand-printed sign” that states…
This site history tells us was a favorite location of many duels.
http://goo.gl/maps/mivSO
The entrance to the park? Why, none other than a famous arc of lights dedicated to Edgar A. Luminais. (yes, he was too late, but the arc of lights is famous without him)
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http://books.google.com/books?id=R4XaLB … is&f=false
Pizzati Gate (1910)
The Pizzati Gate, with its brilliant archway lights spelling “City Park” at night, stands at the original entrance to City Park at City Park Avenue and Anseman Avenue (originally called the Alexander Street entrance). The archway was built with a donation from steamboat Captain Salvatore Pizzati, a Sicilian who immigrated to New Orleans and made his fortune in the shipping industry in New Orleans. The gate was re-dedicated in 2001 in memory of Edgar Luminais. —
http://www.neworleanscitypark.com/art-and-architecture
Still no takers??

i must admit, “Lane Two -> Tulane” is very clever and simple.  I like it.
Sometimes it takes a simple insight to impress me, more than all the elaborate photo enhancements.

Glossiphoniidae

I have plenty more in the bag, but nobody seems interested.

I’ll bite. You might be onto something here.

Tulane, duelling oaks, arc of lights…I like that a lot.

bigmattyh

I’ll bite. You might be onto something here.

me too, “Lane Two -> Tulane”

I also like the Tulane reference, and the only standing member of a forest.  However, this does not explain most of the rest of the verse.

A wingless bird ascended
…has this come up before…? Couldn’t find it.
Maurice “Rocket” Richard
was a Montreal hockey celebrity. Even had a can of soup named after him.
There’s a
Maurice Richard Arena
not a million miles from Île Sainte-Hélène.

Glossiphoniidae

I think Preiss would find himself in awe of your research with its layering and associations.   😉

me three

White stone closest
must either be an actual white stone close by or Preiss dissembles to combine something which is White with something which is stone and either or both might qualify as closest.  I prefer there is a stone very close to the casque and it’s the object from which we stand on it’s west side before taking 12 paces.  I think the something white is the snowy peak of Mt. Hood which is the thing closest, but it isn’t close in the same sense as the stone; Mt. Hood is the closest of volcanoes near this site and yet it’s 30 miles away and possibly it’s not even in line of sight.  In my 4 trips to this site I haven’t had a clear enough day to prove this portion of my theory.  I have proven it by means of map and compass.
Weight with routes extended
seems like something more than what I’ve assumed.  I still think it applies to the Sam Hill memorial to honor him as a good roads builder but now I wonder if the word “weight” was chosen to mean “importance” and “roots” is a homonym for “routes” and the idea of a road as being an “extension”.  Sam Hill’s importance in road making is simply what this site represents.  My original view of the massiveness of the boulder as a “weight” and the three square bases each extending further out also fits nicely.  That either view serves to identify with the same object means words would have been carefully chosen and once again I find myself in awe of Preiss’ writing with it’s brevity and elegance.

erexere

…once again I find myself in awe of Preiss’ writing with it’s brevity and elegance.

I think Preiss would find himself in awe of your research with its layering and associations.

I agree

There are sooo many ways the “two twenty two” could be interpreted…  I noticed in another verse he did hyphenate some numbers, but NOT here.
I also found this today:
‘Another favourite theriomorphic image is that of the two birds or two dragons, one of them winged, the other wingless. This allegory comes from an ancient text, De Chemia Senioris antiquissimi philosophi libellus. The wingless bird or dragon prevents the other from flying. They stand for Sol and Luna, brother and sister, who are united by means of the art.’
C.G. Jung. (1989) Mysterium Coniunctionis. Princeton University Press.
And…  an
ancient
Greek Riddle:
“I am the black child of a white father;
A wingless bird, flying even to the clouds of heaven.
I give birth to tears of mourning in pupils that meet me,
and at once on my birth I am dissolved into air.”

What is the solution to the riddle?  A cloud?

Hmmm.  My guess would be water or rain.

I thought about putting the answer to the riddle on here, but then decided it would take the fun away
Both are on the right track – kind of close.  But can clouds or water(vapor) bring tears?
I have not tried to link it further to either of these items I found in my research, but it is a possibility since everything is up in the air still.  I am dedicated right now mostly on pic6 (and tied to v5).

smoke
wilhouse

Bingo!  Smoke it is…
Now whether it has any relevence, I don’t know.  Since anything is up in the air, if anything maybe it will be something else to look at at least.

Nate I see the Citadel as Olympic Park as a whole. The arc of of lights could be a few different things but I’m inclined to this being the lighting around Olympic Stadium. The Wingless bird is the Velodrome.

Anyone in the Manhattan area that could consider this option?
Weight and roots extended
Together saved the site
Of granite wall
Wind swept halls
an abandoned building, that lasted longer than expected (extended life of the structure) because of the weight of the building and overgrowth of vines holding it together like when trees help prevent shore erosion. One where the interior is exposed and the only sweeping that is done is wind blowing around debris inside.
Perhaps something like the Roosevelt Small Pox hospital, on Roosevelt Island (formally Blackwell’s Island)?
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Roose … 73.9509934
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=ht … g..i&w=900
There seems to be a White structure (stone) on the Southern tip of the island by the hospital.
It had been overgrown and the granite walls had been reinforced when was deemed a historical site.
The Roosevelt bridge that connects the island, is station code 222, not sure if that could be considered a “Lane”
Is it like a Citadel and does it have anything to do with wingless birds?
I realize this verse was first thought to be considered New York but more recent consensus pairs New York to verse 10.
Just throwing it out there, if anyone in the area has any thoughts on the matter…

I also read that after the initial renovation in the late 70’s the small pox hospital was illuminated at night to allow people to explore the paths at night. Maybe the citadel at night? Or maybe a reference to the outbreak of disease, where a hospital was built, fortified safely away from the public to prevent further spread of infection?
The city park at the southern top was deemed so in the 90s was it landscaped before? Could it have been a casque burial site option?

Anyone in the Manhattan area know if there is any monuments or buildings to Thomas Edison known for using his “arc of light” when he first used his electric light bulb to light up lower Manhattan?

Thanks EZ. So, Olympic stadium to Peel or mount stephen club to the start of île st Helene is about 8 miles. For me, the leg eater is a must on the walk, which makes me doubtful that the Olympic stadium or park is involved. Other Olympic venues maybe…

bignate

The triangle from pie IX Olympic Stadium area to Peel to the islands is a huge area to cover in a walking tour. I think this has been mentioned before, but my first concern with this approach (putting aside individual clue interpretation) is that it is simply too far. Chicago was much shorter, correct?

false assumption…chicago, noone did the greater puzzle…they only did the treasure hunt…the treasure hunt is grounded within the larger puzzle.

olympic park is indisputably a part of the puzzle.

Trunkflare

1) “Wingless bird” is a symbol for glider, which has powerless wings (hence symbolic “wingless”).  The knight’s arms are locked with braces, to parallel a glider.  The wingless bird also parallels the wingless fairy, ascending on a bubble.

Wingless?  If anything…more winged than any other plane.  Other then that….welcome to the hunt TF and we look forward to sharing all ideas and finding another casque.

maybe its read
lane 2202
Lane Two twenty two

Justify to me why “wingless” needs to mean it has no wings.  Why can’t it refer to wings that don’t move or an aircraft that doesn’t create additional force to keep it aloft?

Rather than waisting efforts in  Justifying to you why “wingless” needs to mean it has no wings…
Save us some headache and provide some references where the word “wingless” means anything other than lacking wings that might help in the hunt.
If you’re right it would certainly bring a different perspective to the hunt.

Trunkflare

Justify to me why “wingless” needs to mean it has no wings.  Why can’t it refer to wings that don’t move or an aircraft that doesn’t create additional force to keep it aloft?

I understand your different take on “wingless”…dont get me wrong.  It just seems way tooo much of a stretch to force a theory to fit though.  Using your reasoning…you could argue a table is legless since it doesn’t walk.  It just seems too farfetched to me.

Merriam-Webster:
Main Entry:
wing·less
Pronunciation:
\ˈwiŋ-ləs\
Function:
adjective
Date:
1582
: having no wings or very rudimentary wings
Dictionary.com:
wing⋅less
/ˈwɪŋlɪs/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [wing-lis] Show IPA
Use wingless in a Sentence
–adjective
1. having no wings.
2. having only rudimentary wings, as an apteryx.
Origin:
1585–95; wing + -less

cant remember was Helicopter discussed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter

I often wondered why bury it at twelve paces? Why not 8 or 10? No reasons I came up with seemed to ring true until I looked at a photo on the internet showing a sign in front of the Wright Brothers Memorial takeoff boulder. First, I think BP wanted to get the digger away from the memorial stones. He shows some of his concern about digging in this National Memorial Park by adding Get permission To dig out. But twelve paces still made no sense until I saw this picture.
The Wright Brother’s first flight lasted 12 seconds. What a great way to mix that history into this verse.

Actually, FB, I was very much asking to simplify–but our ideas aren’t
that
far off.
I know the “land near the window” line is in V 11–but it doesn’t have to be the land in p.3.  It doesn’t HAVE to be. Yes, that land is Roanoke Island, and it’s near a window–but there may be another way to interpret this line; Also, we still, after extensive research in the Roanoke I. areas including actual digging, have not found a casque there. Nor can we pinpoint a location! I just don’t think it’s the answer–that was all I’m saying.  And as for the forest being metaphorical–I do not believe it is. I think it’s a
real
forest–of
trees
. (Which is still there, btw.)
I too bristle when people pick one or two items from a verse and base an entire idea on them. That’s why I’m spending a lot of time trying to find this “only standing member” —
and I may have indeed found it.
Check out the picture here:
This depicts the Wright Brothers’ camp on Kill Devil Hill. You will notice that there are two lone trees in the pic, and that their camp cabin is literally BENEATH one of them. This led me to wonder about 1981. Neither of these trees is there NOW. But one of them may indeed have been there in 1981.  OR some OTHER tree.
I think we are looking for a tree that WAS there, but is not there NOW. Beneath that lone, single tree, is our casque. Where was that tree located?  Check out the picture of the white stone:  see the area to one side? The bare one? (Or that brownish area further toward the horizon? it’s another possibility).
That bare spot would be just about 12 paces away. A pace being about 3′, plus or minus a few inches.
Of course, this might not be the stone we need… there are four stones. We’re supposed to find the one ‘closest’ to either the only standing member, OR the forest to the south. The initial takeoff point stone may or may not be the correct one.
There probably exists somewhere an aerial view of the area in 1981–but I don’t know where to look for it. Only a foot-traffic search of the actual ground would be fruitful or useful here. Either that, or someone’s good memory of the place at the time.
And Sonoran, no offense about not believing the metaphorical forest, but I LOVED the idea about the 12 paces. I think you’re correct here.
And I think we need to dispatch someone to this memorial park to ask some pointed questions and get some permissions.
And take a shovel….

Well I stand corrected.
you are correct, in the cleveland image if you line up the columns and the wall so that it shows up like it does in the image. and you had x-ray vision
That puts the casque location basically in the center of the image.
Can you do that with chicago?

There is a 222 Lane in Brooker, FL near 29,55N 82,17W.  I found reference to it in a Google search from the Alachua County Board of Adjustment meeting minutes from March 2, 2005.  However, Brooker, FL is kind of remote and from Google Earth looks like a lot of forest/farm type land so I doubt a park of any repute is there.  However, it is prime area for part of the national Forest system that covers much of that part of Florida (I have not looked at a National Forest overlay of FL yet though since it is probably a LOOOOONG shot).
It is actually NW 222 Lane and is a privately maintained single-lane road.

Their is a good chance the NPS may not want the casque. The thing is they would likely be reluctant to let us dig. Thus letting them have the casque may be necessary  to get them to let us dig. It is a trade off we should be willing to make.

if there is any hesitation on their part, giving them a basically worthless isn’t going to change their mind. that is just rediculous.

A friend of mine suggested Charleston, SC for this verse on account of a military academy called “The Citadel.”  He paired it with Image 3 and sid the suit of armor looks like it is trying to fly.
–Johann

I got a phone call today from a nice lady from  NYC Parks.  Any open space within Battery Park can not be dug up, unless it was under a dumpster or something.  Wallon Memorial seems out.  Still, she was interested.  She also told me that the park was quite derelict in 82′ and that if we could find exactly where it was, she would be able to tell us if that area had been disturbed, or as she put, whether 2 feet of earth had been moved since then.

Welcome Bopollo!
I think people link verse 5 with Montreal by the process of elimination. I’m not sure of any direct ties. In fact, I believe verse 5 goes with Charleston. We’d love your help confirming a verse for Montreal!

bopollo

Hi, I’m new here. I’m from Montreal and I’m a geek for local history, so maybe I can help out.
Can someone tell me why people think that verse 5 is linked to image 9 and to Montreal? I’ve skimmed through this very long post but I can’t find that information.
I’ve looked at the information at “The Secret” website which explains theories on the relationship between verse 5 and image 9, but they seem pretty loose and inconclusive to me, especially when compared to the evidence linking image 9 with Montreal, which is much more convincing.
Thanks!

Keep working next find is going to be Canadian!

Welcome bopollo. You raise a good question, and I think it is fair to say that there isn’t a great reason to be certain that verse 5 fits (other than no other verses are better.)
However, my personal opinion is that it is the right verse and my pseudo-solve does make sense using that verse with only a few leaps of faith… the difficulty is that even among those of us who think verse 5 is Montreal, there is a wide disagreement over where the verse leads in the city! It is a tough one.

bopollo

Can someone tell me why people think that verse 5 is linked to image 9 and to Montreal? I’ve skimmed through this very long post but I can’t find that information.

Hi Welcome
as others have said Verse 5 is basically the one left over
all the other verse image combos are considered to be very solid,
You also have to realize it wasn’t that long ago that Montreal wasn’t even considered a city. It was only after the legeater was found and St Louis MO, was removed from contention.
But rather than look at the puzzle as a single city puzzle, it makes sense to look at all the cities and verse/image combinations. so If you are thinking of trying a different verse
you need to look at what ramifications that has to the other cities involved.
For instance if you wanted to use Verse 7 for Montreal then That would affect SF (the most likey Verse 7 pair), which means the 2nd most likely pair verse 6 would go to SF Which mean Charlston, now needs a verse. etc etc down the line.
Ripples in a pond. The more ripples you make, the less likely your suggested change would be…

In keeping with the idea that this verse refers to Charleston I think it is worth mentioning that a ‘wingless bird’ sits on the parade grounds within the campus of the Citadel.  That ‘wingless bird’ being a Vietnam era helicopter.  While I agree that you can almost write-off the citadel for the word being mentioned in the poem, i thought the helicopter was worth mentioning.
Another item that I haven’t seen mentioned yet is the idea that two twenty two is a time ala 2:22 am or 2:22 pm
-Mike

OK, here is a theory connecting this verse to the New York pic (12):
“Of granite walls / Wind swept halls”
The Cloisters, museum of medieval art,
as pic 12 has a rounded medieval arch and perhaps
representation of mosaic (in Fort Tryon Park)
“Citadel in the night”
could be FORT Tryon Park or Castle Clinton in
Battery Park (from which one takes the ferry to
the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island, and formerly
in view of the WTC which might be depicted in
pic 12)
“A wingless bird ascended / Born of ancient dreams of flight”
the Empire State and Chrysler buildings were to be
used for derigibles, tied to the top of the buildings
“Beneath the only standing member of a forest”
a tower in Bridge Park (?)
“White stone closest”
White Stone Bridge from Manhattan to Bronx
This might all be rubbish, but I will let the NY-area hunters sift through it.
–Johann

“Lane
Two twenty two”
Obviously, there might be some mathmatical manipulation here, but they could also stand for letters.  There seems to be a fair amount of the images and verses referencing street names.
Lane BTB might give us B.T. Boulevard or B.T. Bridge.  Does this ring a bell for any New York searchers?  Or any other cities for that matter?

erexere

I can’t see how BP didn’t consider the Ralph possibility.  Now  where might that lead?

double negatives say wha?

autocorrect error.  “I CAN see…” ..oh, and scratch the rest of that sentence..I can’t put forth a clear thought these days.
arrgh.
I was trying to say “I can see BP considering that possibility.”  Where’s that lead us…back to Roanoke then?