GManTexas, let’s consider reasonability.
These events are local and are public record. How that information is obtained in 1982 is unclear, but there are republications of that story in lighthouse journals and readers digest.
Is it reasonable that anyone touring South Carolina lighthouses might hear anything about their history? I am visualizing a tour guide sharing the events of a reported murder mystery and the possibility of buried jewelry belonging to s Keepers wife.
Is it reasonable that the subject of lighthouses might have something to do with RLS?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_ … l_engineer
)
I think RLS’s Treasure Island ties into this factoid of local lighthouse history well enough to warrant further examination.

erexere

GManTexas, let’s consider reasonability.
These events are local and are public record. How that information is obtained in 1982 is unclear, but there are republications of that story in lighthouse journals and readers digest.
Is it reasonable that anyone touring South Carolina lighthouses might hear anything about their history? I am visualizing a tour guide sharing the events of a reported murder mystery and the possibility of buried jewelry belonging to s Keepers wife.
Is it reasonable that the subject of lighthouses might have something to do with RLS?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_ … l_engineer
)
I think RLS’s Treasure Island ties into this factoid of local lighthouse history well enough to warrant further examination.

I get that, and I agree, but are using this to get us in the neighborhood? It seems like it would not relate to the puzzle.

Unknown

Unknown:
Stevenson, Robert Louis (1850–1894). A Child’s Garden of Verses and Underwoods. 1913.
11. Travel
I SHOULD like to rise and go
Where the golden apples grow;—
Where below another sky
Parrot islands anchored lie,
And, watched by cockatoos and goats, 5
Lonely Crusoes building boats;—
Where in sunshine reaching out
Eastern cities, miles about,
Are with mosque and minaret
Among sandy gardens set, 10
And the rich goods from near and far
Hang for sale in the bazaar,—
Where the Great Wall round China goes,
And on one side the desert blows,
And with bell and voice and drum 15
Cities on the other hum;—
Where are forests, hot as fire,
Wide as England, tall as a spire,
Full of apes and cocoa-nuts
And the negro hunters’ huts;— 20
Where the knotty crocodile
Lies and blinks in the Nile,
And the red flamingo flies
Hunting fish before his eyes;—
Where in jungles, near and far, 25
Man-devouring tigers are,
Lying close and giving ear
Lest the hunt be drawing near,
Or a comer-by be seen
Swinging in a palanquin;— 30
Where among the desert sands
Some deserted city stands,
All its children, sweep and prince,
Grown to manhood ages since,
Not a foot in street or house, 35
Not a stir of child or mouse,
And when kindly falls the night,
In all the town no spark of light.
There I’ll come when I’m a man
With a camel caravan; 40
Light a fire in the gloom
Of some dusty dining-room;
See the pictures on the walls,
Heroes, fights and festivals;
And in a corner find the toys 45
Of the old Egyptian boys.

Found this mention of golden fruit and man eating beasts from a 1913 book- don’t know if it was published in May…

nah, the golden apple was an entirely different TH

RIP TGAT…
Wait, what is a “palanquin”? Sounds like a Palancar groupie…or one of those Saruman skype orbs in LotR.

MERLIN

long palm
https://www.artandarchitecture-sf.com/w … C_4483.jpg

That almost looks more like a feather to me.

fox

That almost looks more like a feather to me.

https://hoodline.com/2014/04/the-histor … y-monument

MERLIN

https://hoodline.com/2014/04/the-histor … y-monument

My apologies. Thanks for that link!

MrSeabass

I mean if erexere disagrees with someone’s six-degrees-of-separation theory…

Look, if you think that Mrs Preiss, nee Mendelson, and Mendelssohn who wrote the tune to Hark the Herald Angels Sing is a six degree separation theory then I don’t know what to say. And…..if you can’t see the similarity between Hark and Karah…

I did not see where anyone had come up with a solution for long palm’s shadow? An OAR is a PALM.

It’s fine to have an interesting thought process, and you may suppose all sorts of loose links, but one’s own confidence is not what makes a theory compelling.
I wager that you’re on the wrong path when you look too external factors to justify Press’s methods. The painting has some helpful hints and confirming shape matches, while the verse itself helps navigate some site correctly.

erexere

Or May 1913
Mayor in 1913

My first thought…..

Argh, I grew up not far from Philly–I’m on the West Coast now or else I could be of some assistance. I will see if I have any friends on “that coast” who are still nearby and would be up for some hunting.

lol.  Right next to the Bishop White House is a fountain which eerily looks like the fountain under the centaur in Image 4, which is the picture that most of us believe relates to Philly.  I have been to that fountain and the White House countless times while I was in college (about 15+ years ago), with The Secret in hand.  There is also a church tower nearby which looks similar to the upside-down tower hidden in the trees of Image 4.  That is as far as I ever got.

The following are thoughts from GPKing on verse 6, who posted this info under the Image 6 thread:
Thanks for the welcome.
Stupid me, I just took a cruise to Key West in March and found out that President Truman like to stay there.
Here’s a link on the subject:
http://www.trumanlittlewhitehouse.com/
( ‘White house close at hand’ from verse 6?)
It also seems that this is the island where Ponce de Leon died too.
http://floridakeys.com/keywest/history.htm
The island used to survive off of piracy.  The islanders would light false signals and cause ships to crash into the rocks, where they would plunder their cargo.
( first five lines of verse 6? )
The same area has Ernest Hemingway’s house, and the Audubon house.
( ‘stand and listen to the birds’ from verse 6 )
War was declared on Spain in the custom’s house in the same area after the Maine was sunk in Cuba.
( ‘freedom at the birth of a century’ from verse 6 )
Here are some other local attractions:
http://floridakeys.com/keywest/thingstodo/attractions.htm
Long palm shadow could be a tree, or the shadow of an extended hand from a local statue, at a certain time of day?
Any thoughts?

More thoughts from GPKing:
Once you get rolling, you can’t stop.
Tennessee Williams lived in Key West.  His mother’s name was Edwina! I wonder if he had any nieces or nephews named after he died? Or maybe local residents?
( ‘Edwin and Edwina named after him’ verse 6 )
I seems that Key West was a writers’ mecca.
( ‘Harken to the words:’ verse 6 )
The semicolon is unusual, since the verse has no other punctuation.  Maybe the lines following each relate to a writer that lived there?
Henry Flagler, the famous developer of Florida, who extended the Florida over-sea railroad to Key West in 1912, died in May, 1913.
( ‘Or May 1913’ verse 6 )
The search continues…
Fort Zachary Taylor Beach and Park lies behind the Truman Annex ( the little white house ) in Key West.  In fact, you must pass through the Annex to get to the beach.
The Fort there was once a desalinization plant
( ‘Hear the cool, clear song of water’ verse 6 )
Now, if I can only get the last bit:
Or on the eighth a scene
Where law defended
Between two arms extended
Below the bar that binds
Beside the long palm’s shadow
Embedded in the sand
Awaits the Fair remuneration
Jetties at each end of the beach?
Below a binding bar?
Next to the shadow of a long palm tree?
Buried in the sand.
Gotta keep digging…

Seems like more than a coincidence to me. Great find spacecraft! Putting together clues from catherwood, johann, and spacecraft this could be the elusive St Louis verse.
The 1904 World’s fair was held in Forest Park (Edwin Forrest) in St Louis (Robert -Louis St- evenson) and celebrated the Louisiana Purchase (“freedom at the..”).

this verse surely has something to do with pirates (men of tales and tunes cruel and bold)
also, compare the first 5 lines of the verse
Of
all the romance retold
Men of
tales and tunes
Cruel and bold
Seen here
By eyes of
old
to the preface to Treasure Island by Robert Louis Stevenson:
“TO THE HESITATING PURCHASER
If sailor
tales
to sailor
tunes
,
Storm and adventure, heat and cold,
If schooners, islands, and maroons,
And buccaneers, and buried gold,
And
all the old romance, retold
Exactly in the ancient way,
Can please, as me they pleased of
old
,
The wiser youngsters of today:
–So be it, and fall on! If not,
If studious youth no longer crave,
His ancient appetites forgot,
Kingston, or Ballantyne the brave,
Or Cooper of the wood and wave:
So be it, also! And may I
And all my pirates share the grave
Where these and their creations lie!”
coincidence?

Although there is some disagreement about which image pairs with Verse 6, most people connect Verse 6 to Image 2. A few have connected Verse 5 to Image 2. However, because of the proposed pairings of Verse 5 with Image 3 and Image 9, the odds are now more in favor of Verse 6 pairing with Image 2 and Charleston. And for those who want the location to be Fort Moultrie, don’t worry, you can still get there with Verse 6.
As with my Image 2 posts, I have listed some of the currently proposed connections as well as a few new possibilities to think about. Some theories are pretty strong. Others are barely hanging in there. My goal with this and my other posts it to get people to think outside the confines of the current “solutions” because they have not yet yielded any results. So, why not try a different way of thinking?
When I read Verse 6, I get the sense of, “Let’s talk about this over here. Now we are in front of a historic location. Notice this. Look at that. Think back when… Now let’s go over there, and I will tell you about that… Follow me.” And that sounds exactly like one of the many walking tours of Charleston. It is as though we are going from historical markers to monuments to memorials and reading, or being told of, the history and significance of the person, place or area. Did Byron Preiss take one of these guided tours to get a sense of the area and then decide to reflect it in the verse? It could be that we have to identify what he is referring to and then follow the path of a tour to locate our dig site. The lines in the verse may match up with locations, but they may not be in sequential order. And, just because there is a plaque that appears to match a line in the verse, it does not mean that it is buried right underneath it or even nearby. It may just be another point on the tour:
Of all the romance retold
• Although initially appearing to reference Treasure Island, and that might be right, it may also refer to a general retelling of the history of the area. Only a handful of words match the Treasure Island preface. So, this could be a double-reference that fits perfectly into the history of the area and mimics a known literary verse. Thus, making for a great opening line.
Men of tales and tunes
• Pirates!
• Or actors in a play?
• Musicians performing?
• Before tv and the internet, people had to go and seek out entertainment. One way to do that was to go to the local tavern or meeting hall and listen to
people tell stories of places they have been and what they have seen and done. Maybe we are looking for a place where this occurred.
Cruel and bold
• More Pirates! Arrrrgh!
• But seriously, these were hard times, and a lot of cruel acts were carried out on men, women, and children. Think Gadsden’s Wharf and the warehousing of
slaves. (Which they are going to be digging up soon, if they have not already started.)
• Cruel, Bold, Daring… all of these could be used to describe the acts of soldiers at war or slaves attempting to escape to Freedom. Two of the words are on a
historic marker describing Robert Smalls and his daring plan for Freedom. More on him later.
Seen here
• Where? An actual location? Maybe our dig site?
• If we go with Pirates… arrh… this could reference the Pirate House, wharves, or decks of ships
• If we go with Soldiers, maybe the ships, battlefields, or forts
• If plays or musical performances, it could be a theater, park or tavern.
By eyes of old
• Eyes of old what? Someone or something that is old and has eyes? Is Old an adjective for which we need to find the noun it is describing? Or is this just
poetic form? Like ‘Days of Yore?’
• Although possibly referring to the Eyes of the people in history who witnessed the events described, it could be that the dig location can be Seen from Here
through Old Eyes, as in, “Look over there, and think what it would have looked like back then.” That is your clue.
Stand and listen to the birds
• Literally, “Stand right there and listen to the sounds those birds are making.”
• Figuratively, Bird was used as slang for a female. As in, “Listen to those birds go on and on gossiping.” But I don’t get a misogynistic vibe from the author,
so this is likely referring to being in a park and listening to actual birds.
• Apparently, there are Guinea Hens that roam freely in some areas of Charleston. They sound like chickens. Maybe they will lead us to our location.
Probably not.
• Are the birds airplanes?
Hear the cool, clear song of water
• So, if you are already in the park listening to the birds, then why not listen to the fountains as well?
• Listen to the waves in the bay?
• Water Street? It is near the battery wall. It was built on top of a creek that was filled in to expand the city limits. Were there sounds associated with this?
• There is an old song with a similar title, but I don’t think that is what he is getting at here. Probably a fountain.
Harken to the words:
• This is where I really get the walking tour history lesson feel. As if the next few lines are spoken while pointing out specific objects or making specific
references.
• Harken means listen, but it has a sort of back-in-time connotation. And he already used Listen.
• Are there specific words we need to listen to? The Emancipation Proclamation?
• Did someone give another speech or make a formal decree? Where were speeches usually given? A central meeting place, building or park?
Freedom at the birth of a century
• The Century Magazine was in print in the late 19th and early 20th century. Maybe it provided freedom for its subscribers or authors in the form of the
stories published, such as The World Set Free by H.G. Wells which was published in 1914. But it was written in 1913… maybe May 1913?
• Robert Smalls stole the C.S.S. Planter and sailed it out past Ft. Sumter around 4:00 am to turn it over to the Union Navy. He finally earned enough money to
buy freedom for his family. The historic marker, although placed just a few years ago, uses the words “Bold” and Daring” which were likely used previously
to describe him. (marker located at north end of the battery wall near Historic Charleston Foundation.) Not sure how to connect that to the new century,
though.
• Or, how about Slavery and Freedom? Slavery was abolished as a result of the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863 and the end of the war in 1865. However, it
was it wasn’t until about 100 years later that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was enacted which outlawed discrimination and strengthened the given Freedoms.
Another connection to laws, courts, and lawyers.
Or May 1913
• The H.G. Wells book from above?
• Three soldiers were killed at Fort Moultrie in May 22, 1913 when their cannon exploded during a training exercise (found it in The Sacramento Union
newspaper. Who knew?)
• Or, the ever-popular U.S.S. Maine capstan in White Point Garden. It was first in Hampton Park, then moved to WPG, then moved again. Likely just a
reference point rather that the dig location.
Edwin and Edwina named after him
• I think this is referencing Edwin Booth. He was a famous actor at that time and performed in the area. His daughter was named Edwina. Are we directed to
a theater? Dock Street?
• There is a portrait of the two. Maybe it is/was in a nearby art gallery and that is a stop on our tour.
• There are other arguments for and against Edward Blyden, but Edwin Booth makes a more direct connection in my opinion. Especially when you throw in
the fact that his brother killed President Lincoln… who was directly involved in the Freedom of the very slaves who came through the Charleston ports.
Or on the eighth a scene
• Eighth day? Month? Year?
• Eighth hole at the golf course? There are scenic views from the local courses.
• Eighth page of a book?
• Eighth scene of a play? As in Act V, Scene 8? Maybe a play which featured Edwin Booth?
Where law defended
• A courtroom?
• A battlefield?
• Is this referring to a specific Old County Courthouse?
• Could it be referring to religious law?
Between two arms extended
• Two arms of the law? City, County, Federal? Or Civil / Criminal?
• Two different ideologies?
• Guns? Cannons?
• Actual human arms (shaking hands, waiving, pointing?)
• Side note: There is a Little Dancing Girl statue with her arms out in WPG, complete with a water fountain. This knocks out a few lines at once.
• Also, there are cannon-a-plenty all over the area. Including Middle St. on Sullivan’s Island. You drive between them on the way to Fort Moultrie. I don’t
know when they were placed there, but that is another connection to that area.
Below the bar that binds
• A bar? Like a tavern? There were many places where people would meet to discuss the goings on of the city. Most were destroyed by fire, and a few have
parks built on the land where they stood. (Washington Park)
• B.A.R. Board of Architectural Review. They oversee projects in the area. Maybe they “bind” new projects to history to maintain the integrity of the city.
• Earthquake bolts? We discussed this in the Image 2 post.
• What if this is referring to the Charleston County Bar Association and getting us back to the legal aspect of “Where Law Defended” and Lawyers, Courts, Civil and Criminal trials?
Beside the long palm’s shadow
• The most straight-forward possibility is that we are talking about a palm tree which casts a shadow. However, we are talking about “The Palmetto State”
and palm trees are everywhere. So, this particular palm would have to stand out among the others. And it needs to still be where it was in 1980.
• Isle of Palms was once called Long Island. It is possible that IF the island could cast a shadow, it would be on Sullivan’s Island and possibly Fort Moultrie.
• Palm of a hand?
• This line could just be there to connect the verse to the image by using the palm-shaped daisy or the hands of the fairy. Both appear to have shadows.
Embedded in the sand
• What is embedded in the sand? Is the casque embedded in the sand? Then why not just say ‘buried’? The word Embedded must be significant.
• There are a lot of beaches in the area. Is the dig location a sandy beach? If so, it would have to be well protected in case of hurricanes. *Somebody should
go check the little concrete structure near the beach just south of Fort Moultrie. It would be protected from weather and onlookers.
• If the casque is not actually buried in the sand, this line may be describing the previous line and saying the palm tree is embedded in the sand. But most of
them are.
Waits the Fair remuneration
• Fair wages for services? Referring to The Equal Pay Act of 1963?
• Fair or just treatment under the law?
• Reparations?
White house close at hand.
• Personally, I think this last line is a reference to the White House (Washington D.C.) rather than a house that is painted white. Because at any time, the owner could paint the house a different color, and this would no longer be relevant. One of my theories is that we use the Hands on the Sumter clock to get us to a location where George Washington once stayed or spoke. That would make the connection to this line. But he apparently got around when he visited, and everywhere he went, people now say, “Here is where George Washington…” did whatever he did there. This may be difficult to track down. Unless it is Washington Park.
• The Old County Courthouse at Meeting and Broad was designed by James Hoban. There is a painting of him on the third floor. He also designed the White House. And what is right across the street from the Courthouse? Washington Park. Some of the statues have changed, but the name is the same.
Take from this what you will. I just hope something I have said sparks a new thought and moves this search forward.
Thanks!

ive explained all these, at least in relation to the treasure hunt lol. see youtube videos under my name.

The more I research the names of Edwin and Edwina, the more I am
attracted to the Edwin Harleston family of Charleston…(Shecrab earlier pointed out)
Edwin Galliard Harleston
, born to a slave on Boone Hall Plantation, Mt. Pleasant, SC.,
became a free man and made his way in shipping and opened a funeral home…
You can
see
the Harleston sign which still exists just off Meeting St. on Calhoun.
It is now Harleston Boags Funeral Home.
He had a son,
Edwin Augustus Harleston
, who helped establish the NAACP
in Charleston and also became a renown African American artist.
5 of his paintings are on display at the Gibbes Museum, on Meeting St.
(That is where the sculpture of Persephone is…”Butterfly Lady”)
and one painting at the Old Slave Market on Chalmers St. off Meeting St..
He attended the Avery Institute on Bull st. in Charleston,
Edwina Harleston Whitlock
, born Gussie Louise Harleston, (Edwin Augustus’ niece),
was renamed Edwina and raised as Edwin’s daughter.
Here are 2 fabulous sites about Edwin Harleston:
http://faculty.citadel.edu/hutchisson/P … on0001.pdf
http://www.usca.edu/aasc/harleston.htm
Even though it does not lead directly to a casque site yet,
there seems to be much more of a “Charleston Connection” with the family of Edwin Harleston
than Edward Wilmot Blyden….with more opportunities for visual markers with the name Edwin Harleston
to direct us to the casque site.
Just digging around for something to find visual clues…
AP

I hear ya AP, but I just can’t believe that theory. In the
exact same book
where we found the Sarmiento quote, we also found the quote “[Blyden] was enthusiastically welcomed; he even had twin babies named after him,
Edwin and Edwina Wilmot Blyden
, during his stay.” This occurred in Charleston.
It’s just gotta be Blyden.

shecrab….If only you would have been with me in September as I explored the possibilities here… alas, I only started using this verse AFTER I tried to validate other theories I had and had read resulting form other verses…and ran out of time. Back I shall go very soon for a T-hunt weekend. I guess, secretively (pardon the pun) I was hoping noone would start looking down this verse of possibility.
No matter, the Rooftop Bar in Charleston will allow anyone to get their mind right…so a trip there is always a winning situation.
Cheers, D

Thanks, D!! I wish I’d known as well! I could have afforded a little trip to Charleston then.
Good luck on your next junket…and keep an eye out for the anchors.

shecrab

The Chicago picture didn’t show any state outline at all.

Yes it did, Its to the left of his face/hat Under the castle outlined by the “crane” it is Illinois in reverse.

One more note about the line from Verse 6
“Or on the eighth a scene
where law defended.”
According to the book quoted in my earlier post…
http://www.jstor.org/pss/726749
The historic first opera was produced in “the
Courtroom
” in Charleston, SC.
(That sounds like a place
“where law defended”
.
Here is more information about the “Court Room” in Charleston. (aka…Shepheard’s Tavern)
http://www.scottishritefoundationofflor … heard.html
Note there are at least three “tablets” of historic information on the existing building.
I imagine BP was either a history buff, or there may have been more
historical markers when he was walking around in 1981.
It may just be another confirmer for Charleston…and not a location pinpointer.
AP

The plot thickens….
Here is information which may explain why BP, who was Jewish, would have
found information about Shepheard’s Tavern worth researching.
An excerpt from the following book:
“A portion of the people: three hundred years of southern Jewish life”
By Theodore Rosengarten, Dale Rosengarten, McKissick Museum
discusses the Jewish connection to the site…at the link below:
http://tinyurl.com/yjxtwq9
AP

AP, I think you’re on a roll! You must be right about this place. In the photo below, I can see at least 5 plaques. This is definitely worth looking at in person, if anyone is near Charleston.
(Edit: I should add that this is the modern bank that sits on the site of the “Court Room” in question.)
So I guess “harken to the words” must mean “read historic markers in the area and they will lead you to the spot”?
Parts of V6 now have more meaning:
Start at White Point Garden? There’s the Stede Bonnet marker and tons of water there:
Of all the romance retold
Men of tales and tunes
Cruel and bold
Seen here
By eyes of old
Stand and listen to the birds
Hear the cool, clear song of water
Then walk up Church St. ’til you come to the bank, reading plaques as you go:
Harken to the words:
Freedom at the birth of a century
Or May 1913
Edwin and Edwina named after him
Or on the eighth a scene
Where law defended
“May 1913” was on the Maine capstan marker in White Point Garden. Maybe there is, or was, a marker on Church St. between White Point Garden and the bank mentioning Blyden? BP appears to be walking us to the site, pointing out markers as he goes.

i know ck, i’m reaching, just trying to find something to help with my argument nearer  the battery, lol.

erexere

“I know the idea of relating a south Caribbean island to Charleston is something most people might automatically reject.

Actually, there is quite a bit of Caribbean inspiration here:
“…The community was established in 1670 by English colonists from Bermuda, under the first Governor of South Carolina, William Sayle, on the west bank of the Ashley River a few miles northwest of the present city…”
“…There was a great deal of trade with Bermuda and the Caribbean, and some people came to live in Charleston from these areas…”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o … h_Carolina
Many houses are painted a pastel color…said to be inspired by the Caribbean.
http://www.sciway.net/sc-photos/charles … w-row.html

I have this mini theory that the reason Edward Blyden is referenced in the way of twin babies being named after him is that he is known as the “Father of Pan-Africanism” and that the Fair Folk use this idea to disguise their use of a Carribean topic that is African influenced Pan music. Pan is another name for Calypso or “steel pan” drum music.

C) Edward Blyden. Because twins named Edwin and Edwina were literally named after him. Literally. And because
the exact same book
where this is revealed also contains the specific translation of the Sarmiento quote in Verse 2.
“
…our minds should not be so open that our brains fall out. Keeping an open mind does not mean naively attributing equivalency between two positions irrespective of the evidence.
“
—Chris Brookmyre

Aah, but “Blyden” sounds like “blave.” And as we all know, “to blave” means “to bluff”.

“anybody want a peanut?”
I dabble in so many theories, that it starts to all blur like a Tammy Faye faceplant on a palimpsest. It’s tough to know what the author’s original intent was after so many what-if’s have contaminated the data. Since Forrest Blight’s discovery back in 2008, a lot of other Edwin theories have been offered up. I got interested in this treasure hunt around the time shecrab and animal painter started talking about Harleston, and more recently Whiterabbit and others have been talking about Edwin Booth like it’s a top notch fact of the hunt.
Not long ago, my attempt to use Blyden in a theory took the persective that we don’t really need to identify the exact person Edwin and Edwina are named after. We could focus on someone named Edwin or Edward, but my take on it was more of an attempt to fit it to my twin-lighthouse and succession theory, since the idea of naming two chidlren after a single person could be A) two different and unrelated kids, one boy and one girl, or B) a brother and sister, non-twins, and C) twins. I opted for C before I even recognized the Blyden connection, because I liked the letters WIN being a commonality: edWIN, edWINa, tWIN.
I’m now moved to the idea that the brother-sister based on the same male (him) name is a really good point out to a person named Edward who has the role of being a father. I think we have to assume this puzzle is possible without the discovery of the Abroad in America book. We would be only in the position to deduce that we’re looking for an Edward who is a father and then discover the best related connection to the cultural link of Africa. Edward’s title as “Father of Pan-Africanism” is the best logical link. A 1967 publication by Hollis R. Lynch titled Edward Wilmot Blyden: Pan-Negro Patriot may be cited for how a man would name his first born child after Blyden whether it’s a boy or a girl. Edward Blyden was a great African.
It may be noteworthy that in 1980, Edward Wilmot Blyden III the grandson was the Adviser to the 1st President of Seirra Leone.
Another thing of interest is the word “Pan”. In Trinidad and Tobago, the steelpan drum is called a pan, the central instrument for calypso music. Trinidad and Tobago are a pair of islands. This Caribbean island pair might extend to the idea of fraternal twins and the word DAD is in the name. I know the idea of relating a south Caribbean island to Charleston is something most people might automatically reject. Who knows what Preiss had in mind. What he deemed useful and integral to the African puzzle was entirely up to him. Trinidad and Tobago owes a lot of it’s heritage to it’s indiginous tribes, nearby South America and then lots of influence from Africa and India. My personal heritage is in connection with my great grandfather who was among many Indians from Calcutta to Bombay for the promise of land. He earned a 100-acre parcel of land in exchange for farming sugar cane.

davinci4

“Between two arms extended
Below the bar that binds
Beside the long palm’s shadow”
Just a thought here. Whichever geographic location you are considering (SF, Charleston, Montreal) for this verse, the lines here seem to specifically indicate the burial spot. What’s interesting is that there seems to be a ‘triangulated approach’ whereby all three criteria must be met. It also implies there is ambiguity if only one or two lines are true. For example, if you correctly locate the “bar that binds” there is probably more than one of “bars” in that spot. The correct “bar” is the one that is in the ‘shadow of the long palm’ and ‘between two arms.’ These two lines would seem superfluous otherwise.

i already explained all this…

MrBackstop

I don’t have the casque in my hands yet

meaning you will have it very soon?

Spiritr

and look, sand~, that’s it , right there!

Gosh I hope not, that playground gets pulled out every 10 years or so down to the cement under it. and replaced with more modern equipment.

LOL can’t believe I actually got responses and pms from that brainless post
sigh~

Spiritr

the casque was buried under the sand, waiting for us to find, in the closeby Washington Square.
and look, sand~, that’s it , right there!

Is that you, Josh?

JoshCornell

why are so many people confused about where i dug? i dug in the TRIANGLE SHAPED SAND GARDEN BESIDE THE FORT SUMTER ASSOCIATION BUILDING WHICH IS LOCATED ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SW CORNER OF WHITE POINT GARDENS…WITH THE SOUTH BATTERY BEING LOCATED ACROSS THE STREET TO THE SOUTH. just to clarify. lol
this IS the endpoint of the treasure hunt, without question.

Josh your convictions of your solves are admirable, ….to a degree. But I’m with GG here. I know your spot and completely disagree with it. Granted, I don’t have the casque in my hands yet, but I haven’t been able to probe or dig my spot yet. Fortunately, I’m working with a Charlestoner who will be able to check our ideas over the next few weeks. Then I’ll know if I’m way off base like you.

I am trying to  make some
visual
connection between Edward Wilmot Blyden and
the area of Charleston that we are searching…some plaque or something….
(I know the “Abroad in America” connection exists…but BP would certainly have a more
visual on-the-ground clue.)
There is the Morris Brown AME church just 2 blocks West of Meeting St.
(African Methodist Episcopal Church established in 1866 in Charleston) that had connections
to Blyden through their missionaries to Liberia.  Blyden, no doubt visited this
church when in Charleston.  Maybe there is a plaque or sign there…
AP

Bylden interacted with several of the Black churches and institutions while in Charleston.
Morris Brown AME (13 Morris St) was founded by Mother Emmanuel AME (110 Calhoun Street) in 1867. There may be a plaque somewhere at Morris Brown but I didn’t research this while I was home.
Here are my notes on Blyden’s Charleston visit.
• 1867 — Morris Brown AME Church site purchased by Rev Richard Harvey Cain
• January 1876 — Richard Harvey Cain (US Representative, Missionary Record, Emanuel AME Church) writes to Blyden about a “deep and growing interest by the Colored people … in the subject of Emmigration”
Reference: pg. 197, Under their own vine and fig tree: the African-American church in the South 1865-1900, Montgomery, 1993
• August 31, 1886 — Emanuel AME Church destroyed in the Charleston Earthquake. The present edifice was completed in 1891.
• November 29, 1889 — Blyden begins a tour of the American South on behalf of the American Colonization Society in Charleston.
– Lectured at Rev. Lee’s church and Avery Institute.
– Rev. JS Lee of the AME Church (not sure which) is his host
– Randall D. George lent Blyden a carriage so that he could travel
– Dec 6. (Friday) Banquet Rev George C. Rowe (The “Palmetto Poet”?) of Congregational Church delivered welcome address
– United Labor Association also hosted Blyden
– References:
pg. 407, Selected Letters of Edward Wilmot Blyden 1832 – 1912, Lynch, 1978
pgs. 126-128, Edward Wilmot Blyden: Pan-Negro patriot, 1832-1912, Lynch, 1967
pg. 28, The African repository, Volume 66, American Colonization Society May 28, 1913, 1890
At one time I had more information on his visit but I was following other leads and foolishly misplaced my notes

No there weren’t any anchors in White Point Gardens, or at the Maine site. HOWEVER….there just might be a whole lot of them at the Patriot’s Point Naval and Maritime museum across the Bay–north of the island. To get there you need to take what USED to be known as the Silas
Pearman
Bridge (now gone–replaced by another bridge) OR the
Fort Sumter Ferry
–and I would take a good look at the image because it sure looks to me like that dancing lady (with the “bridge-like” arms!) could be considered a
“Fort Sumter Fairy”.
That “long palm’s shadow” might be there after all.

In fact, check this out:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=fort+sumt … .2,,1,2.53
This anchor
just happens to be on Patriot’s Point road, which is right there at the Maritime Museum site. Just sitting there–right on the side of the road. A perfect place to dig…maybe.
Want anchors? We got anchors.

Unfortunately, there is two anchors at that location – one on each corner
and the anchor that you see looking like this…
now looks like this…
because of this…
looks like quite a bit of new construction… this place was nominated as museum site in what, 1975? There was probably a lot of work done since then. I think, though, you’re theory is intriguing at the least.

Unknown

Unknown:
And for the parts of the verse that have been puzzling, we’ve been trying to find some “Bar that binds,” and “Long Palm’s Shadow” and so forth, that feel like more of a match than sandbars and palm trees. Well, I think I may have found that match.
Before I get into that, though, here is the reasoning behind this:
I know from posts about it here that May 1913 might refer to the donation of the USS Maine’s capstan to Charleston for display (first) in Hampton Park and (second) White Point Gardens.  So I looked up the Maine–hoping that it had been “bound” by a sandbar (the Bar that BINDS) or soemthing like that. Instead I found something else. It occurred to me that a “bar that binds” might be referring to the ship’s ANCHOR. So I looked up what type of anchor the Maine used: they used something called a TROTMAN anchor. And that’s a pretty standard looking anchor.  But then I looked up the parts of an anchor…and sonofagun—look what I found:
Note that the Anchor has ARMS and a PALM.  “Between two ARMS extended—below the bar that binds” might be referring to underneath the anchor–and it’s PALM. The “long palm” might mean that the anchor has one palm that is longer than the other–not uncommon. And the shadow it casts might show the exact location of the casque.
So maybe this is exactly where the casque is buried–under an anchor–in either Hampton or White Point Gardens. Embedded in the sand beside the long palm’s shadow.

BAck in 2007, I posted this:
Just reminding everyone.

Twas brilliant then and brilliant now
did anybody go look?
and they have moved tons of stuff around in that park any idea if the location is still correct?

oh yeah I remember this now. There aren’t any anchors at White Pointe Gardens, Cannons, cannon balls a music stand, and lots of statues, and the capstain from the maine. spent a lot of time trying to find out if there had been a anchor that had been moved but no luck…

I happened to notice that the weird tree bricks Cthree commented on:
http://community.webshots.com/photo/158803830/158859096DhXnXt
also show up in the Elizabethan Gardens on Roanoke (see V11 thread)
http://www.angelfire.com/nc/dewsers/images/eg71.JPG
http://www.elizabethangardens.org/images/tour21.jpg
does anyone know if this is a standard tree surgery technique??

I really like the Washington Square area for this puzzle, so I can definitely see it. It doesn’t need to be a huge thing, just a plaque or something.
The one thing I don’t match it with is the likely USS Maine reference. The Battery is nowhere near Washington Sq, at least for those two lines to be connected.

I believe these lines all tie to Abraham Lincoln:
Freedom at the birth of a century
Or May 1913
Edwin and Edwina named after him
Or on the eighth a scene
Where law defended
Freedom at the birth of a century, paraphrases the Gettysburg Address in response to the Emancipation Proclamation (Jan 1. 1863).  The Freedman Memorial to Lincoln and the Emancipation Proclamation was dedicated on April 14th, 1876 (100 years after 1776 and the Declaration of Independence).
The Lincoln Memorial Highway was “born” in May of 1913.  The 100th year anniversary for the birth was held in May of 2013.  (Other dates of official recognition pertain to various roadway achievements and negotiations).
Edwin Booth, brother to John Wilkes Booth, had a daughter named Edwina.  John Wilkes assassinated Lincoln.
The Civil War broke out in response to the building tensions over slavery and the seccession of the 8th state, South Carolina on April 12th, 1961 shortly after President Lincoln assumed his position at the White House.  Law, the Emancipation Proclamation, was defended at Fort Sumter.
—
The reason for referencing Lincoln and Edwin [Booth] is to identify the topics of secession and succession, leading to the conclusion of who succeeded Lincoln: Andrew Johnson, closest at hand in the White House.

hey whiterabbit,  i like the way you are mixing verses to different images.  i think the trees need to be shaken for the shoes to fall  🙂    ( or whatever, lol)
and yeah, i’m not really using the fair folk guide, except to see what might be in the parks where the cask is buried.   but the litany and the front of the book, no one could argue, could hold some clues.
but you’d have to do some convincing to get this away from golden gate park because of the shape of the park in image 1,, and her hands for crossover drive,
near the japanese tea garden and the
Bell Gate entry
—————-(the bell in the image)
and the
moon
bridge
notice his name “
Shinshi
chi Nakatani
—(Tsao
-shen
)
and “slender,
golden
people” (golden gate park)
http://www.timeshutter.com/image/arch-b … california
“From far Cathay, the dragon’s Pearl;
Chaste, perfect as the silver
moon”
i haven’t really gone back over image 1 threads, but i remember finding the “bar door”  (image in the rocks) at one of the entrances to golden gate park, i think it might have been part of a hospital or doctor’s office, (i can’t remember til i go back thru the threads)
but also, i like #1 (highway one)  for “
On the
first
morning of the
first
spring day, “
number 1 (highway)=first
and/or it could be pointing to
Image 1- ( the first image)
because i do believe BP tried to give obscure hints, and we might not be reading them right, but they are there
and BP might not have wrote the fair folk guide,  but i can’t imagine an editor or author not checking what is written, and editing it to make sure  it says what he wants it to say.  i sure wouldn’t put my name on something that i hadn’t read, much less a book i supposedly wrote…….
(i’m gonna post this first part to image 1 also)
shoot i might as well add these thoughts too
i still like verse 7 better for san francisco—–
“near ace is high”————-highway 1,
“chaste, perfect as the silver moon————-perfect=aces

slappybuns

…you’d have to do some convincing to get this away from golden gate park because of the shape of the park…
“From far Cathay, the dragon’s Pearl;
Chaste, perfect as the silver moon”

OK…you’re saying that the shape of the park is in the image, and point out the pearl/moon link. The most moon-like thing in Image 1 is the 11 spheres hovering overhead. So how about we say these are pearls…
…and compare the map to the image like this…
…putting Lafayette on the pearl shown top right.

Unknown

Unknown:
Although any cross-referencing with the field guide that follows is more debatable, being completely muddled and reportedly denied by BP, I’m inclined to agree with your recent suggestion that BP may have “seeded” the text with ideas from the puzzle;

Quite a trick considering he didn’t write the field guide.

WhiteRabbit

I wondered if he might have edited it, or provided notes about things to include in it. Anyway, this was marked “Slappy only”.  😉

If you don’t want someone to respond to your posts, don’t post them on the main board. We have PM functions for that.

I wondered if he might have edited it, or provided notes about things to include in it. Anyway, this was marked “Slappy only”.  😉

April is the month for diamond. A lot of people here have shared the inclination that Verse 6 goes with Image 2. I think thats fair justification to consider that the lines “or on the eighth, a scene / where law defended,” may possibly have to do with an event or criminal act that occurred on the 8th of April.
If the events from April 8th, 1873 as reported in the local news are to be disregarded as renovator and four21thrasher imply by their carefully crafted responses, then perhaps some other event on April 8th of some other year might be worth looking into.

I too found the lead to Edwin Booth but with the other confirmers to FL, I’m now looking into tying EB with FL.  Confirmers?:
– Line 5 points to the State Song “Swanee River” aka “The Old Folks at Home” adopted in 1935 which replaced the old state song “Florida My Florida” which had been adopted in, yup, 1913.  Also, “the birds” in line 6 may be a play on SWANee river.  Line 7 sounds like a river (swanee) to me.
– FL’s discoverer, Ponce de Leon, named the new state “la Florida” in honor of Spain’s Eastertime celebration “Pascua florida” (feast of the flowers). This land was discovered on Easter or Palm (note P6) Sunday.
– more on the Palm…..It is the state tree.
– the last line might point to a memorial center at White Springs honoring Stephen Foster, who wrote Swanee River.
just some thoughts………………………  😀

Verse 6:
Of all the romance retold
Men of tales and tunes
Cruel and bold
Seen here
By eyes of old
Stand and listen to the birds
Hear the cool, clear song of water
Harken to the words:
Freedom at the birth of a century
Or May 1913
Edwin and Edwina named after him
Or on the eighth a scene
Where law defended
Between two arms extended
Below the bar that binds
Beside the long palm’s shadow
Embedded in the sand
Waits the Fair remuneration
White house close at hand.
=====================================
beginning a train of thought for verse 6:
“Harken to the words:
Freedom at the birth of a century
Or May 1913″
That should be a searchable phrase and date for Google, playing with alternate wordings.  (Chris remembers how we worked on Logica this way.)
“Edwin and Edwina named after him”
Specific set of twins?  Or just every kid named Ed is his namesake?
“Or on the eighth a scene
Where law defended”
Eighth day of the month?  Eighth attempt at something?  Eighth game in a series?  A lot of possibilities to search for.
“Beside the long palm’s shadow
Embedded in the sand”
Palm tree would be obvious, but could also be the palm of a statue’s outstretched hand.   Image 6 shows a palm tree near sand.  I thought that rock looked like something I might have seen here in California, but I like the spec about the conquistador indicating Florida.

I am confident that I have found “Edwin and Edwina” and the man who is their namesake.  🙂
There was a famous actor named Edwin Booth (1833-1893), and a famous portrait of him with his daughter Edwina.  Edwin was named for Edwin Forrest.
Edwin Forrest (1806-1872) was a major presence in American theater.  He built a castle on the Hudson River near New York City and a brownstone mansion on Broad Street in Philadelphia, where the actors of the Freedom Theater put on plays today.  Springbrook was his country house in Holmesburg, a suburb of Philadelphia, where there is now an elementary school named after him.
SO!  I am going with the assumption that verse 6 is about philadelphia, and that the palm is not a tree but a hand.  I will continue to look for other confirmers today.

Most people are leaning towards the V & P you have mentioned as being somewhere in FL.  There are many confirmers to FL in the V and turn the P over and what do you see?  Yup, the state of FL with the jewel representing Lake Okechobee.

Besides the long palms shadow,
Shadow as something which is lesser in size.  The frond of a palm could represent victory in the athletic competitions of early Greece.  It could represent martyrdom in Christianity.  Idiom idea: “…the palm of the hand” to be handled or under complete control or to know something or someone extremely well.  One of the main attractions is that of a lion keeper for demonstrating their control over the large and powerful lion.  The keeper of a lighthouse exhibits control over a far reaching light source.  In this sense I like the idea of a keeper and his lighthouse.  This line suggests the casque or a marker is beside a lighthouse.  Question is, is it the old one or the new one?

Drunknerds. Sorry for the delayed response. I wanted to ‘defend’ the Lafayette Park theory. I think “the whole is greater than the sum of the parts” here.
With regard to the verses, if we agree Portsmouth Square/Clay Street is a reasonable interpretation for part one, and Octavia/tennis courts for part three, then there is enough information here to lead to Lafayette Park. I agree the Edwin Booth interpretation for part two is not definitive. I think the first half of verses was intended to help triangulate a position at the park (using the “or” repetitively) and not a step by step walkthrough.
With regard to the painting, I would consider the water fountain as a strong confirmer. I have a modified version of White Rabbit’s solution that includes the first floor windows at the Spreckles mansion for the barred window. I also interpret the ‘two arms’ extended to be Clay/Octavia which puts you in the center on the park adjacent to the tennis court right at a sandy area that sticks out from the rest of the landscape there. There are three ‘orbs’ half buried in that area too.
As a general comment, I could see Preiss choosing this park as it really is a ‘hidden gem’ in SF similar to other burial
sites. I hope the SF searchers strongly consider this site/solution and not exclude it from the list.

List of current USS Maine monuments if anyone finds it useful.
http://www.spanamwar.com/mainparts.htm#plaque

In Charleston there is “The Pirate Houses” at 143-145 Church Street.  Supposedly, pirates would hang out there.
Has someone already noted this?  If so, I’m sorry for this redundant repetition.

This is the potential big clue that I just thought of.  We will need the help of the MO history library on this but the key line could be seen here by eyes of old. I will take your word for it that the first few lines are from treasure island. Then what these first five lines could be talking about is not a place named treasure island but the theatrical preformance of Treasure Island.
The first five lines could then potentially be read as talking about the play Treasure Island being preformed at the Muny a long time ago. Prehaps it was the first play preformed at the Muny or the First majore play that got the facility attention. Those first few lines likely reference a preformance event of some kind at the Muny. The first few lines if I have this correctly matched this verse definately talk about a play or musical of somekind that was done at the Muny maybe TI maybe not. I will have the MO historical library look into this we should not stay solely focused on TI thpugh as their may be other possible connections.
Once the connection above was made the next lines about the cool clear song of water is talking about a fountain close to the Muny.
The part of this verse from Harken the words to law defended is likely historical clues to ID the city and park.
The rest of the verse directs you to the digsite that the pagoda can be seen from.
I will try to have something more concrete on this soon.

That is a possiblilty
but if it is true that the first part of the verses points at a road.
then chances are the TI quote point to something like Stevenson Road or Treasure st or Pirate blvd, or something like that.
Was there actually a theatrical performance of Treasure Island, I’ve never heard of it presented as a play…

In 1972, First Lady Pat Nixon traveled to Africa with former First Lady Bird Johnson,
I find it interesting that they delivered a speech at the inauguration of William Tolbert (born May 13, 1913). This African travel story about the 36th and 37th First ladies is a little more accessible to a 1981-based audience than a 68 year old magazine article. Furthermore, Tolbert is the grandson of Danial Frank Tolbert of South Carolina who sailed from Charleston to Monrovia on the Azor on April 21st, 1878 (Liberian Exodus).
Acknowledging the Edwin and Edwina reference in Abroad in America, means recognizing this individual: Edward Wilmot Blyden (3 August 1832 – 7 February 1912), the father of pan-Africanism, an educator, writer, diplomat, and politician primarily in Liberia. I think it’s clear that some deep African/Charleston research was performed by Preiss.
Looking again at the verse,
Harken to the words:
Freedom at the birth of a century = Lady Bird Johnson, recipient of the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 1977
Or May 1913 = an issue of National Geographic or the birth of William Tolbert in Africa
Edwin and Edwina named after him = Edward Wilmot Blyden
Or on the eighth a scene
Where law defended
The use of the word “or” would indicate some particular connection between the Freedom and May lines, so the focus on Lady Bird Johnson and her trip to Africa to meet Tolbert should lead the searcher to relevant thing or place in Charleston. Perhaps the Blyden line supports the May 1913 line by stimulating some geographic thinking about Liberia.
I’m beginning to think we must hearken to the words of Lady Bird Johnson delivering a speech in Liberia. I’m also beginning to think her name is important to picking up on the relatively obscure news of a murder scene on April 8th of 1873 when lighthouse keeper Andrew Johnson killed his wife. Since I’ve used the internet to reveal most all of these details, I’m still unsure how people would proceed to make each discovery in 1982. Anything is possible, but it seems only a Charleston resident would have the privilege of hearing the gory tale about a monster in their own backyard. I don’t know what source would apply to paying attention to the events of the First Ladies. These days I only hear about Michelle Obama by watching Jimmy Fallon. Maybe Ed Sullivan reported on Pat and the Bird in 1971…(before my time)…but I don’t really know what source would best be used in 1982.

Unknown

Unknown:
M
Y TASK
is to open the
readers of
N
ATIONAL
G
EO-
GRAPHIC
M
AGAZINE
a door into
the world as full of romance as the fairy
tales of Grimm and Andersen.”

Recap:
Or May 1913
David Fairchild writes an article for the May 1913 issue of National Geographic Magazine,
First sentence:
Question: Could this Fairchild article be of any significance to The Secret, a treasure hunt about fairy folk?

Not true. You’re making a bad assumption. I know for a fact I could find this issue on my grandfather’s book shelf. I know for a fact i could find this issue at many local libraries.

It would be interesting to ask Sandi if she recalls if Byron had a good sized collection (800+) of NGM sitting around the house (garage, attic, basement, etc).

MrSeabass

…You have not used any methodology or logic to affirm that your evidence is relevant.

Yes I have. I’ve proposed that the evidence of a May 1913 magazine article that mentions Grimm and Andersen in it’s first sentence could be relevant to a treasure hunt about fairy folk.
I wasn’t under the assumption that I would find anything in National Geographic Magazine when I made the discovery.
I had a long list of considerations on what “May 1913” could point towards. I assume all of us have googled the date in hopes of finding something. I wasn’t expecting it to be so easy, so I spent a great deal of time doing the research to rule out various major publications or records that might pertain to that date. I checked the National Register of Historic Places, lists of famous art works, the New York Times, the Smithstonian, etc. and found nothing noteworthy.
Not until recently did I find this issue of NGM and when I discovered the first sentence of this article and field guide by someone with the word “Fair” in their last name mentioned Grimm and Andersen, I thought it was worth sharing here, since the Secret is also a field guide and it’s about fairies. This is the result of a research methodology.

MrSeabass

Yes, go right ahead and harass a widow about something that I’m sure she wants nothing to do with anymore.

No, your sarcasm is noted. Do you have anything other than foolishness to offer these forums?

Another line of research to consider inovolves the assumption that the birth of a century is fixed upon the founding of the USA in 1776, thus Century One is 1877-1976 and Century Two is 1977-2076. Something having to do with a “white house”, “freedom” and a medal (see image 2’s Fort Sumter), palms on ribbon bars, in 1977, the birth of Century #2, First Lady Bird Johnson received the Pesidential Medal of Freedom.
How might Lady Johnson be connected with May 1913 or something relevant to Charelston?

I just saw a program on TV that said there is a small white house in Key West.  This house was used by President Truman.  Has this been said before?

Hi,
For several years I lurked on this board, and I was particularly interested in Verse 6. I just happened to visit today after years of inactivity, and I was surprised to see someone mention Edwin Booth. I, too, had noticed him years ago in relation of Edwin Booth. Here’s what I had theorized.
The line “Edwin and Edwina are named after him” interested me especially. It could be interpreted as a purely poetic way of mentioning a man named Edwin, after whom no one was necessarily named. Alternatively, it might be a literal way of mentioning a man named Edwin, after whom a woman and a man were actually named. In retrospect, I think the former interpretation is far more likely. However, “in my youth” I assumed the second interpretation, and it led to the following interesting results…
I started looking for famous people named Edwin, as cw0909 did. Like him/her, I noticed Edwin Booth, famous Shakespearean actor and brother of Lincoln’s assassin. Visit his Wikipedia page for a detailed biography.
I found two very interesting facts: Edwin had only a single child, a daughter named Edwina; and Edwin was named after another famous contemporary actor, Edwin Forrest.
Hmm. “Edwin and Edwina were named after”… Edwin Forrest.
Those were my thoughts at the time. Today, I must ask the question: Could BP have possibly known of such a connection? He probably didn’t. But it’s an interesting connection, nonetheless.
dcw

I found a memorial in Philadelphia on the Benjamin Franklin Parkway that had Forrest’s name on it. It was called “Hamlet and the Fool,” I believe. Here is a photo:
http://0.tqn.com/d/philadelphia/1/0/o/e/parkway27.jpg
Here is a very detailed description of the statue:
http://siris-artinventories.si.edu/ipac … ocus 
(you may need to copy this whole string and paste it into your URL)
In the description you can read Edwin Forrest’s name among those of several other Philadelphian actors.
I spent a long time investigating the Benjamin Franklin Parkway. It is full of statues, museums, and other attractions, as well as being a likely place BP would visit if he went to  Philadelphia. It had a a large fountain and plenty of birds, fulfilling the lines
“Stand and listen to the birds
Hear the cool, clear song of water.”
Nevertheless, I never really found much else, and I decided there was no treasure buried in the Parkway. I mention this only in case you are interested.
dcw

Im banking on BP having an above average knowledge of Civil War history. The SS Syren was a significant player for the Confederacy.
The Treasure Island reference suggests that BP has a plan for something relating, whether its RLS/piracy/shipping/islands/or some other content, like the suggestion that Cooper in the immediate reference might act as a hint for one of the main river boundaries of Charleston.
There looks to be a smooth parallel between the age of pirateering, the transport of goods by ship, and the maritime blockades of the Civil War, which followed the same transits being described by the SS Syren and other steamships that moved goods from the Caribbean to support the Confederate South.

Unknown

Unknown:
THE ODYSSEY OF HOMER
TRANSLATED INTO
ENGLISH BLANK VERSE
BOOK I
ARGUMENT
In a council of the Gods, Minerva calls their attention to Ulysses, still
a wanderer. They resolve to grant him a safe return to Ithaca. Minerva
descends to encourage Telemachus, and in the form of Mentes directs him
in what manner to proceed. Throughout this book the extravagance and
profligacy of the suitors are occasionally suggested.
Muse make the man thy theme, for shrewdness famed
And genius versatile, who far and wide
A Wand’rer, after Ilium overthrown,
Discover’d various cities, and the mind
And manners learn’d of men, in lands remote.
He num’rous woes on Ocean toss’d, endured,
Anxious to save himself, and to conduct
His followers to their home; yet all his care
Preserved them not; they perish’d self-destroy’d
By their own fault; infatuate! who devoured
The oxen of the all-o’erseeing Sun,
And, punish’d for that crime, return’d no more.
Daughter divine of Jove, these things record,
As it may please thee, even in our ears.
The rest, all those who had perdition ‘scaped
By war or on the Deep, dwelt now at home;
Him only, of his country and his wife
Alike desirous, in her hollow grots
Calypso, Goddess beautiful, detained
Wooing him to her arms. But when, at length,
(Many a long year elapsed) the year arrived
Of his return (by the decree of heav’n)
To Ithaca, not even then had he,
Although surrounded by his people, reach’d
The period of his suff’rings and his toils.
Yet all the Gods, with pity moved, beheld
His woes, save Neptune; He alone with wrath
Unceasing and implacable pursued
Godlike Ulysses to his native shores.
But Neptune, now, the Æthiopians fought,
(The Æthiopians, utmost of mankind,
These Eastward situate, those toward the West)
Call’d to an hecatomb of bulls and lambs.

In the interest of accuracy, I learned from two sources that the reference to Kingston, Ballantyne and Cooper were all respected authors that inspired RLS and he honors them in his epigraphic poem as a way to prepare the “hesitating purchaser” of Treasure Island for a rich tale of historic adventure. BP’s reason for using such a reference might still be a way of drawing us closer to the Cooper River, but the river is named for a different Cooper.
The epigraph and first lines of The Odyssey by Homer follows a similar path, where it references the heroic sailor Odysseus/Ulysses and his men in connection with Africa or “Aethiopians,” which in ancient Greek terms is a general reference to the darkest skinned people found in the west and south regions known today as Africa. This intro also introduces Telemachus and Calypso,

I still feel like this could be Gramercy Park in NYC.  Edwin Booth statue, Stanford White lived there. Players’s Club founded.  The only thing is that it’s not a public park, you need a key to get in.  And any chance it could have survived 30 years practically anywhere in Manhattan?

Done
Mark

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Unknown:
Does verse 6 match up to image 6 for sure or is that just speculation?  There is no sure-fire way to match up the verses/images correctly is there (i.e. the birthstones, etc)?  I believe that the verse 6 treasure lies in NY and would like to find the image to match it up.  Thanks a lot and any help is appreciated.

Origianlly posted by Cubbiefan:
Mark

welcome to the zoo (not Wilhouse’s zoo in Houston) aluora!!!  I believe I may have relayed that information but am not too sure
I will have to go back and look through all of my emails.  It may have been Johann also…I just am not sure.

Thought this was interesting. Not sure how it relates though:
https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=SU19130523.2.11
Regards,
Mac

May 1913 reference if it triggers anything for anyone:
https://books.google.com/books?id=FNwtAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA710&lpg=PA710&dq=%22may+1913%22+charleston,+sc&source=bl&ots=FnHF3WM3cx&sig=3WmcByY9A-LrSJhhoibq3ZvJWQM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjbs4aq8_jYAhWs5IMKHYB4Ay0Q6AEINjAD#v=onepage&q=%22may%201913%22%20charleston%2C%20sc&f=false
Regards,
Mac

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Well, thats exactly what it means…but why use the word ‘remuneration’? That has got to be the most obscure word for prize/reward ever. Doesn’t ryhme with anything, just seems out of place. People earlier had suggested it was a play on the ‘Muny” a concert area i think in St. Louis–i got to thinking and decided that i thought it was a play on the word ‘munition’. It could just be straight laced and obvious with no hidden meanings at all…but if so, then we might as well not analize that line of the verse anymore—it just means “the treasure waits”–i have a hard time swallowing that with all the other tricky stuff weve come across…

I wouldn’t worry about it, really.  The meaning of “Remuneration” is clear in context, so it’s probably just a poetic choice of words for “reward”

Good point. It is used poetically more often that not.–Good thing that this seems to be the most unimportant line in the Verse.  😉

This sounds like real progress towards the location.  One longshot thought on “the bar that binds” is that the Board of Architectural Review (BAR) “binds” all property owners in this part of Charleston to preserve the historic nature of the buildings.

I appreciate that input–there is a major focus on restoration and historical preservation in downtown Charleston.

Here’s a nice one until i get the archive online ;]

Very nice finds indeed cthree.  I really like how you broke down the lines between “Harken to….” & “…law defended.”  I had always tried to put one or more of them together to try to get at something but I really like how each of the statues/memorials you come across in order matches each line of the V.
come on folks, lets find #3.

Thanks –I really owe alot of the credit to my friends that have taken interest in the hunt especially Talon and Tammyran–thanks guys  🙂  -working on an a picture archive now…i’ll put up a few more good ones here as well.  8)

couldn’t “waits the fair remuneration” just mean that that is the location of the treasure, since remuneration means payment?
wilhouse

Heres some pics to tide you over till i get the archive up and running–its a bit tougher than i anticipated!
The “long palm”? This tree definatley stuck out!
Me sitting on the cannon balls of power.– i like the cannon cover to be the donut symbol depicted in the fairies wings. The little circles in the wings could be the cannon balls or the cobblestone streets around WPG.
Freedom at the birth of a century?

Well, thats exactly what it means…but why use the word ‘remuneration’? That has got to be the most obscure word for prize/reward ever. Doesn’t ryhme with anything, just seems out of place. People earlier had suggested it was a play on the ‘Muny” a concert area i think in St. Louis–i got to thinking and decided that i thought it was a play on the word ‘munition’. It could just be straight laced and obvious with no hidden meanings at all…but if so, then we might as well not analize that line of the verse anymore—it just means “the treasure waits”–i have a hard time swallowing that with all the other tricky stuff weve come across…

Here it is!
http://community.webshots.com/user/cthreepix

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The 66-year-old slain President was a
decendant of freed American slaves who
founded the republic in 1847. Though only
5 percent of the population, these “freed-
men” have long dominated politics and
commerce, and American cultural influ-
ence is evident.”

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Unknown:
The facts of the case, as far as they can be gathered, are as follows: Captain Andrew Johnson is the keeper of the light-house at Cape Romain, where he resided with his wife. On the evening of the 8th instant, about 5 o’clock, Captain Johnson went up to the light-house to light and trim the lamp for the night.

After reading the front page NYT news article, of which I presumed Preiss would’ve had easy access to and might say something about Tolbert that related to freed slaves from the US or his birth, I find it somewhat conclusive where it says,
Is it succinct to say the founding of a republic is a “birth” of that government?
That the birth date of this President is May13, 1913 certainly raises an eyebrow.
He is descended from S.C. freed slaves.
On the 8th a scene, I previously thought applied to S.C. being the 8th state, but then I noticed the news excerpt about S.C. Lighthouse Keeper, Captain Andrew Johnson who killed his wife,
Is it succinct to say the event of a murder is a “scene”? I presume this story was published in other places, or at least a citation in a book or historic pamphlet having to do with Lighthouse history, such as
Keepers of the Lights
, by Hans Christian Adamson in 1955. I don’t know how that compares to the litmus test of accessibility that would’ve been responsible for
Abroad in America
in 1976. The guiding assumption for anything historic as far as using Google to produce these results is that the source must’ve been available somewhere and sustained in some form that it was available for data-entry. Either that or someone is making shit up…

Portsmouth Square (with RLS fountain) is bordered by Grant and Kearny. Five blocks south is the California Theater (with the Edwin Booth plaque) which is also between Grant and Kearny. Both markers are in Chinatown, the main the theme of image 1. Looks like a pretty good starting point for this verse.
One step further. Bush, Washington run right into Octavia. Clay ends at Lafayette Park. Even if you don’t like Lafayette Park at least consider Chinatown as a possible starting point for this verse.

maltedfalcon

Ok then.
Fyi there is/was an edwin booth link accross from portsmouth square… I cant remember it right now exactly let me look it up

Portsmouth Square (with RLS fountain) is bordered by Grant and Kearny. Five blocks south is the California Theater (with the Edwin Booth plaque) which is also between Grant and Kearny. Both markers are in Chinatown, the main the theme of image 1. Looks like a pretty good starting point for this verse.
One step further. Bush, Washington run right into Octavia. Clay ends at Lafayette Park. Even if you don’t like Lafayette Park at least consider Chinatown as a possible starting point for this verse.

JamesV

These are lyrics from Hank Williams son Cool Clear Water, not the Beach Boys song.

beach boys might actually be a ref…but to the wrong fountain, as, if it is used, would point you to the little dancing girl…that would not fit the verse (as you can neither hear that fountain from the bandstand, nor does it align with the birth of the century clue)…so the verse def takes us to the Hunley Monument…but beach boys very well might take you to little dancing girl, which is a drinking fountain.

davinci4

Portsmouth Square (with RLS fountain) is bordered by Grant and Kearny. Five blocks south is the California Theater (with the Edwin Booth plaque) which is also between Grant and Kearny. Both markers are in Chinatown, the main the theme of image 1. Looks like a pretty good starting point for this verse.
One step further. Bush, Washington run right into Octavia. Clay ends at Lafayette Park. Even if you don’t like Lafayette Park at least consider Chinatown as a possible starting point for this verse.

WhiteRabbit posted a ton of good info on his I1/V6 theory in both of these threads. While I think the Portsmouth Square/RLS starting point looks correct, I’ve got a slightly different perspective on Verse 6. I’ve been very fortunate to have the opportunity to spend most of this last year in a full-time language program for Mandarin, and I strongly suspect that V6 might be making a few references to the history of Chinese immigrants in the US.
“Freedom at the birth of a century” sounds like it could be a reference to China’s Boxer Rebellion. (1900).
“Or on the eighth a scene / Where law defended” could have something to do with:
1– US Code, Title 8, which deals with Aliens and Immigration. This could be some kind of reference to the Chinese Exclusion Act, which wasn’t repealed until 1943; or
2– The 8th Amendment to the US Constitution, which prohibits “cruel and unusual punishment.” Going down this road, I found a lot of references to San Francisco’s discriminatory “Pigtail Ordinance”, which basically required Chinese immigrant prisoners to have their queue hairstyles shaved at the jail for “sanitary reasons.” This ordinance was enacted in 1870, but ruled unconstitutional in 1879.
Building links to either one of these ideas would have required the reader to do a little research, unless there just happened to be conveniently-placed historical markers along the walking route? Pretty hard to tell from just Internet sleuthing, though.

maltedfalcon

These are lyrics from Hank Williams son Cool Clear Water, not the Beach Boys song.

Yeah, that’s my jam. After I failed to secure dig permissions for my I2/V5 “solution” at Fort Moultrie last year, I spent a few weeks in a black hole, trying to shoehorn together an I6/V6 pairing based in Tallahassee. The results weren’t pretty…what can I say, it was a dark time.
The SF puzzle seems really interesting, particularly given the wide range of possibilities. Right now I’m firmly entrenched in Camp I1/V6, though. Never been there myself, but hoping to score a work trip out that way to investigate further.

I like the possibility of Union Square as a starting point. I am in the I1/V6 camp as well. Keep Portsmouth Square, Knob Hill, Dragon Gate (right up the street from the Booth plaque) on the list as well. The fact that there now seems to be cooperation with parks and rec in SF is one the most exciting turn of events to date.

i used sons of the pioneers

JoshCornell

i used sons of the pioneers

Absolutely love your work, JC.

it acts as a hint to tell you the answer to the “bar that binds” clue, as to reinforce the literary reference.

https://opendocs.ids.ac.uk/opendocs/han … 56789/1387

Agreed. I am a huge fan of solves that have tie-ins to street names, landmarks on the ground etc (main reason I favor your solve for Fort Moultrie). This was mentioned at the end of Expedition Unknown. I think Preiss really wanted searchers to go out and explore their city and local parks. I am not really convinced this hunt is a ‘library armchair hunt’ as some solutions suggest.
It would be nice if we could tie these concepts of Chinese History into monuments, plaques, in that area.

davinci4

. I am not really convinced this hunt is a ‘library armchair hunt’ as some solutions suggest.

make sense as the concept had not been invented when this book was published.

JamesV

Yeah, that’s my jam. After I failed to secure dig permissions for my I2/V5 “solution” at Fort Moultrie last year, I spent a few weeks in a black hole, trying to shoehorn together an I6/V6 pairing based in Tallahassee. The results weren’t pretty…what can I say, it was a dark time.
The SF puzzle seems really interesting, particularly given the wide range of possibilities. Right now I’m firmly entrenched in Camp I1/V6, though. Never been there myself, but hoping to score a work trip out that way to investigate further.

Ok then.
Fyi there is/was an edwin booth link accross from portsmouth square… I cant remember it right now exactly let me look it up

maltedfalcon

These are lyrics from Hank Williams son Cool Clear Water, not the Beach Boys song.

Beach Boys
Hank Williams

beach boys one doesnt make much sense in context…hank covered the song written by bob nolan from sons of the pioneers (1949).

JoshCornell

beach boys one doesnt make much sense in context…hank covered the song written by bob nolan from sons of the pioneers (1949).

Fair enough!

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Then, in their airy wake, out of Nubia and Ethiopia and the jungles beyond the Mountains of the Moon, flew high and swift (by deeper magic still) the Fairy spirits of Africa.
The shy in-dwellers of every ashorin,
baobab
, and mahogany,
winged-friend of each river, of every bird, beast and insect
, were wafted away on the Southern Trades, and fluttered down, like a
windfall of butterflies
, far from the tribal warfare and slave traders, upon the islands of the
Carribees
and the New World’s eastern shore.

Unknown

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Africa’s Diamond, earth-born star,
Bright harvest of the midnight rock.

Unknown

Unknown:
Difficulties between the newcomer
Tree Spirits
of Africa and the native
Carribees
were resolved in their mutual love of music; what was to have been a winner-take-all
of both groups was quickly transformed into a
month-long party
–a “
jump-up
” on the beach, during which festivities, according to legend,
rum was invented
.

Unknown

Unknown:
“Fifteen men on the dead man’s chest–
…Yo-ho-ho, and a bottle of rum!
Drink and the devil had done for the rest–
…Yo-ho-ho, and a bottle of rum!”

Selections in
Bold
are my emphasis:
P. 16-17 of The Secret
P. 21 of The Secret
P. 22 of The Secret
Now, taking in all of the thematic material presented in Image 2, and considering the nuances of Verse 6, we have a short list of really strong points to consider in order to understand what Preiss might’ve had in mind. We have: a solid African theme, the April month gemstone (diamond), and and a clear connection to birds, beast and insects.
We know Treasure Island serves some purpose to the puzzle. Treasure Island is the ultimate pirate tale and the source of RLS’ famed song Deadman’s Chest where he writes
Knowing that this is the African puzzle, I believe Preiss saw ample opportunity to coordinate the RLS pirate theme with the topic of rum and the implication of barrels as they may equate with “drums”. What better way to package this puzzle than to infuse it with some of the history and lore of the Carribbean?
A month-long party? Carribbean Carnival lasts for approximately a month or more until it concludes on Ash Wednesday. It involves “playing Mas” (wearing costume and masque), a celebration with steel drum music and the crowning of a Calypso King.
The November 1971 issue of National Geographic Magazine presents an article about the Carnival tradition in Trinidad and Tobago.
If you consider that the May 1913 verse hint might be a reference to the insect field guide that talks about the drumming cicada that emerges every 17 years, then maybe this issue of NGM, which is about Carribbean drumming and the African influence, which also talks about challenging other bands in a “jump up” and “Versailles (masquerade) seen through tribal eyes”, perhaps this might allow us to conclude that the “cool, clear sound of water” has something to do with the cistern type purpose that a baobab tree or a simple drum “a bar that binds” or a thing which holds drinking water such as this barrel found in Cape Romain next to it’s the twin lighthouses:

Oak Island is off of the coast of Nova Scotia & yes, it would be kind of humorous burying a book-based treasure on an island where a legendary (but never able to be retrieved) treasure is located.  Remember, 1 casque is buried somewhere in Canada…why did you bring up Oak Island with this V?

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Unknown:
“Or on the eighth a scene
Where law defended”

Another possible way to read this V would be to emphasize the 8th….and not automatically jump to the conclusion this is a date.  Maybe there is an 8th St. Bridge (which you could definitely be “on”) that had a scene?

Fox–
I knew of Oak Island (sketchy), and a Canadian friend was preparing a trip to family in Canada.  I was talking about The Secret when she said, “Aaaah, treasure,” and went into a brief Oak Island shpiel.  Does anyone on the board know more about Oak Island?
–Johann

Johann,
I found this about Oak Island:
http://www.oakislandtreasure.co.uk/

this verse bugs the peedad out of me because of the references to two places.
Treasure Island—-San Francisco, and all maltedfalcon pointed out
Edwin and Edwina—–Charleston (because of the book “Abroad in America” , right?) but also since it is a riddle, it could stand for “Forest” , the last name
of the people in the book, or with the next line being ” or on the eighth a scene”, it makes you think of the Booth family, being
actors, or just for a “booth”,  for sitting or phone booth.
(all of this is from what i remember reading, haven’t double-checked anything, double-checking has no place in my life right now
so correct me if i’m remembering something wrong, ok?)
and then it bugs me that,  in  the verses that were solved, the first lines stood for a road, and some inscription near the area

Just let me know when and where you want to start Fox.
Dispatch concert?
Anyway, if you are staying in Manhattan, Washington Square should be first.  Then we can take a ride over the Brooklyn Bridge and go down to JPJ Park and the Verrazano.  Make sure you go to the top of the Empire State Building and use those huge binoculars and look for the domed church.  Your wife won’t suspect you are treasure hunting so it won’t count on the meter!

already traveling to NY w/ high hopes….but it is because of the Dispatch concert…
don’t count boogie and I out just yet though……

“Edwin and Edwina named after him…”
I was thinking about this line and came to the conclusion that it might mean one of two things:
Either we’re looking for a BOOTH, since ‘Edwin and Edwina’ is a famous portrait of the Booth family by James Brady as someone else has already pointed out… (this seems kind of out there)
OR…
Someone or something named EDWARD, because if you were going to name people in alphabetical order you name Edward… Edwin… Edwina… in that order.
What’dya think??

We know theres a physical object of interest in Houston that might indirectly relate to the literary quote from Melville in the Verse 1/Image 8 puzzle. I’m talking about his reference to the Fates following the line about the “what we take to be our strongest tower of delight” and the 1972 sculpture named Atropos and dedicated by Wood. This approach might be similar to whats going on with the Charleston puzzle.
We know that the note to the hesitating purchaser of Treasure Island talks about men of tales and tunes, etc., also mentions Cooper of the wind and wave. Lord Cooper connects directly to Charleston in that the peninusula is between the Ashley and Cooper rivers.
(SEE HERE)
I think theres a refining point to this prospect given the word “coop” also relates in word meaning to being a word for a basket, cage, or cask. The verse mentions birds. Birds might connect to being contained in a ‘coop’. A cooper is also a barrel maker. Barrels contain liquid or dry goods. I think the “bar that binds” is a “barrel that holds”. I’d much rather support the idea that ‘to hold’ is perfectly synonymous with ‘to bind’ than to search high and low for an earthquake bolt…

I suppose that could be it. If it is the plaque, and if you don’t mind, then sure — I’d love to see a picture.
But then there’s this Twitter exchange:
https://twitter.com/drhonor/status/303587964657750016
…which makes me think the plaque won’t be right out in the open if it’s still there at all.

So bear with me, here is one of my thoughts on the solution for V6 at the Battery in Charleston. I would like to see what you guys think.
Preface: this is mostly built on what previous hunters have connected, but where I have not seen with the previous ideas was the final location proposed of where the casque is buried in WPG. I also know that I don’t have many visual confirmers pointed out. This is because I think that the image clues seem to point more toward Sullivan’s Island (except for the possible circles being cannons or cannonballs, or cobblestone streets). I just think that V6 has very strong ties to the peninsular Charleston. I’d just like to see what everyone thought…basically the end point of this hypothesis.
Also, I don’t remember the “freedom at the birth of a century” tie, but 1776, is not the beginning of a century, so who knows. It just seems like there are too many links to this area to not play around with some ideas.
(I Dropboxed my document so I could get around embedding/hosting images. If anyone would rather me post the text and embed the images, I can.)
Thanks hunters!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fjiyca74iq4tr … ges%29.doc

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Unknown:
Verse 6:
Or on the eighth a scene
Where law defended
Between two arms extended
Below the bar that binds

I still seem to be one of the oldtimers thinking this V leads to Florida.  I like the ideas about Key West and Ike’s Little White House; however, this part of the V may be referring to the August 8th, 1968 race riots in Miami.  I’m sure the law had to come into the fray.  Between two arms extended may be the racial issues between the blacks and the whites.

(Cheers four21thrasher, I never really absorbed all the stuff about V6 and Charleston before. So this plaque, and wonder woman, and the Washington obelisk are all nearby…better take another look at these old trails. Taking another look at the obelisk I’m not really convinced about that…neither the top nor the base seem to match particularly. Wonder what else that could be though…)

A lighthouse?

no… the obelisk is next to this…
and this (i.e., freedom at the birth of a century)…
The southwest corner of the park is the county courthouse/city hall that is surrounded by these…

The smaller island is Sullivan’s Island, just to the WEST (if the sun rises in the east, anything in the west would BE in the shadow!) of Isle of Palms. It’s just a few dozen feet away from Isle of Palms, and the two islands are separated by a waterway, or channel, called Breach Inlet. This waterway is narrow and according to history accounts, treacherous. There have been shipwrecks there.
But for Sullivan’s Island, here is some info–I think we have seen this before in this thread.
Sullivan’s Island was the disembarkation port for over 40% (ca. 200,000) of the slaves traded to the Britain’s North American Colonies, making it the largest slave port in North America. It is estimated that nearly half of all African Americans had ancestors that passed through Sullivan’s Island. “There is no suitable memorial, or plaque, or wreath or wall, or park or skyscraper lobby,” Toni Morrison said in 1989.[3] “There’s no 300-foot tower, there’s no small bench by the road.” On July 26, 2008 the Toni Morrison Society dedicated a small bench on Sullivan’s Island to the memory of the slave trade.
THere’s our African-American connection, no doubt about it.
On 28 June 1776, an incomplete fort was held by colonial forces under Colonel William Moultrie against an onslaught by the British under General Sir Henry Clinton’s army sailing with Commodore Sir Peter Parker’s men-of-war. The British cannon had no effect on the sand-filled palmetto log walls of the fort; only the shots that came above the walls took any lives.
The Battle of Sullivan’s Island was commemorated by the addition of a white palmetto tree to the flag of South Carolina.
The victory is celebrated and June 28 is known as Carolina Day.
What’s on the small island is Fort Moultrie!

Sullivan Island is also where Poe set “The Gold Bug,” one of the great treasure-hunting stories (and the source of my signature quote below).

shecrab

What’s on the small island is Fort Moultrie!

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Unknown:
Fort Moultrie is a unit of Fort Sumter National Monument, which is part of the National Park Service, an agency of the U. S. Department of the Interior. Any digging within the boundaries of a National Park, without a permit and just cause, is a violation of the law.

Now there’s a bunch of stick-in-the-muds. Once tried to get them interested in the puzzle and all they had to say was

I like this Long Palm Island idea a lot.  Could the smaller island you mentioned be the “in the shadow of”?  What is on this smaller island?  hmmmmmm

I could not find any previous reference to this, so I will post it:
There is an essay entitled “A Slave’s Diary” about slaves in the hold of a ship…
(I do not know when it was originally published or by whom.)
It is only a partial quote from the essay  at the link below.
http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:Eh … clnk&gl=us
or at this “tiny url”
http://tinyurl.com/yk748by
Here is the significant portion of the quote:
Also we have created a worship dance that is possible considering our current restricted movement, the limbo.
We sing and clap and try to lower ourselves
below the bar that binds
us, it is almost symbolic.
AP

AP i think that was an essay written in 1989 because the students wanted the slave’s point of view instead of the slaveowner’s diary.  but i could be mistaken just did a quick search.
been busy lately, just get cursory research time lately.

i don’t know AP, if we didn’t have such smart people to find that quote about blyden, in 1981 i don’t know how anyone would have found it.  computers weren’t everywhere back then. i know my first thought was “edward” or “edward booth”, because of the “scene”. i think i liked the “booth” part, that seemed more treasure huntery (lol, i’m sure i made up that word), and “booth” can be like a kiosk or a gazebo.  and BP said something like he thought they would all be found easily, or fast, or something like that.  blyden would not have been easy to find, like you noted, the people in charleston don’t even know him…….so could it be a double clue…….an obscure one, and a “first thought” one?
i don’t know if white point gardens is “the” place, but it does have several pointers to the verse without being complicated. the “may 1913”, the sandbar, and the pirates.
jstarr i liked washington park for several reasons, a. it was named after a president, b. it had that obelisk, c. it was close to the theater..
i reread one of your posts and you had this picture:
and when i realized how prominent the “flower” is in the image, that it might be important, to see the word “flower”  on a marker, seems more significant.
so just because i think it’s white point garden, til it’s found it could be anywhere
and of course, the “fair renown” is on there……….

Freedom at the birth of a century
Or May 1913
Ok I am building the case for STL & Forest Park connection still…
Freedom at the birth of a century = Pres McKinley reference?
Or May 1913 = Battle for Freedom movie release May 1913…about the civil war = Union
Mckinley Drive and Union Drive cross each other in Forest Park near the Jewel Box.

davinci4

The two Abroad in America references

interesting, maybe I missed this, can you show me what those references are?

davinci4

Just a few thoughts here based on the Japanese hints (thanks for posting the audio). The hint regarding “May 1913” directs one to “your history book.”

Yeah, DV4, listening to this cool hint made me lean even further towards the I1/V6 pairing. I’ve been thinking for a while about how Chinese immigration into San Francisco could relate to this puzzle, and how both “freedom at the turn of the century” and “or May 1913” might be referring to key dates in the formation of the Republic of China (now Taiwan). Tough to research further without boots on the ground in SF, though. Could there be any monuments in/around Chinatown to the 1900 Boxer Rebellion, or to Chinese premiers who served during that era? Or how about to Woodrow Wilson’s official diplomatic recognition of the R.O.C. on May 2, 1913?

JamesV

Yeah, DV4, listening to this cool hint made me lean even further towards the I1/V6 pairing. I’ve been thinking for a while about how Chinese immigration into San Francisco could relate to this puzzle, and how both “freedom at the turn of the century” and “or May 1913” might be referring to key dates in the formation of the Republic of China (now Taiwan). Tough to research further without boots on the ground in SF, though. Could there be any monuments in/around Chinatown to the 1900 Boxer Rebellion, or to Chinese premiers who served during that era? Or how about to Woodrow Wilson’s official diplomatic recognition of the R.O.C. on May 2, 1913?

I like how you alter the Verse and history by making this “turn” at the birth of the century, or May 1913. And enforcing these lines to the Republic of China (Taiwan).
But 1850-1900 were the years of Chinese immigration in America, that is why most native Chinese Americans here speaks Cantonese, very very very few speaks Mandarin.
There’s no such thing as monuments of or related to the Boxer Rebellion, not even in Taiwan, but someone did build a museum of some sort in China around 2003 I believe.

Yes. I have always paired V6 with SF (Lafayette Park) and V5 with Charleston (Fort Moultrie). The Japanese hints only have reaffirmed this believe. I would have to dig through the threads but I am still unclear as to how White Point Gardens was ‘discovered’ as a possible site. ‘May 1913’ seems to be the only clue that is site specific but hardly what I would call a ‘historical event.’
JamesV. Your references seem far more in line with significant events that occurred during that month (along with the formation of the Actors Guild). I really like the Chinese references for “freedom at the birth of a century” for Chinatown in SF.

WAs it that big 25 years ago?

its a tree in Charles Towne Landing that has a branch that is so big and has grown out so long, they have added two arms to hold it up or “extend” it

Thanks!  I appreciate your honest opinion.  It is a big stretch, and it is very difficult to take my focus away from the tennis court idea. That was a very clever solution.

Charris. Youre welcome.  Just know that I’m a grain of sand stuck in a desert-worn sandal around here.  There are at least a dozen lurkers.  All keen observers.  My theories constantly shift like the dunes so don’t let anything I’ve said stop you from having fun and don’t let the eerie quiet smother your introspections.

There is a
visual
connection to the date “May 1913”
in Battery Park, at White Point Gardens.
The capstan from the battleship Maine, was sent to Charleston
in May 1913. It finally was located in Battery Park.
There is a plaque on the base which says…
Presented by
The Navy Department
To the City of Charleston
Through the Courtesy of
U.S. Senator Benjamin P. (F?) Tillman
May, 1913
Here are some links :
http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2007 … park10547/
http://www.spanamwar.com/mainparts3.htm

Here is another pointer in the direction of White Point Gardens:
Blackbeard the pirate, whose name and persona were featured in “Treasure Island”
made his claim to fame in real life, by blockading Charleston Harbor, with another pirate
named Stede Bonnet.  Bonnet and his crew were captured and hung at
White Point
.
where there is a monument and plaque.

The Maine capstan was installed in the west end of Hampton Park in 1913. Later it was moved to the Charleston Naval Base and then it was moved again in 1927 to White Point Gardens.
In 2007 the capstan was moved again to make way for the statue of Gen. William Moultrie. There was talk of returning it to Hampton park but I don’t recall if that happened or not.
So in 1981 it stood where Moultrie stands now.  If you face this spot with the harbor and Fort Sumter to your back, the Stede Bonnet monument would be at around 2:00.
Do you see a connection between this place and Edward Wilmot Blyden?

Jstarr,
At least that plaque and capstan would have been in White Point Gardens
when BP was burying the casque and collecting clue material.
So far, I have found no direct link for Blyden to White Point Gardens.
But BP does seem to like “leading” us to a casque location by taking
a walking tour of the surrounding area.
The walk down Meeting Street and its adjoining “touristy”
sights, does include the AME church…as well as the African Research Inst. ,
museums and Slave Market.
I may have to write the AME church to ask if any memorials
to Blyden in the area.
AP

AP
That’s all true.
I don’t think White Point is the place but I don’t mind sharing research and discussing other ideas.
I was putting your most recent comments together in my mind. And since the verses (Or May 1913 \ Edwin and Edwina named after him) sit next to each other I thought you might have a theory of how they worked together.

Someone is going to have to do reconasence on this site.
I can not find any  good shots of the Curtis courtyard.
I canot find any good matches to the suit either but I am
not too discouraged.
Walnut Theater has Edwin Forrest displays ( the marble statue
of him went in 1986 – post book)  The oldest continuous theater
in the US.
Forrest Theater (named for him) is on Walnut and Eighth.
Curtis Buidling went up in 1910.  Dream Garden installed in 1915.
Penn Mutual Life buidling (former site of the Jail) went up in 1913.
(Corner of Washington Sqr)
I have a shot of the buidling from a distance, but couldn’t see the
Egyptian relief work.  I also couldn’t see the park’ss corner.
If there is a statue commenorating the jail, that would be
“Where the law defended…. below the bar that binds”
I image the Curtis courtyard flows into the Park here.
Anyone closer than my five hour drive?
Random….
Thoughts about bubbles…
Flower in Bubble is for the Moon Tree.
Also, the Keystone state.
Also, I am assuming that the Suit of Armor
is either a theater prop or a Saturday Evening Post
cover.

(Quite right Shecrab. It was just meant as a small joke though, really.  :))

Stand and listen to the birds,
This could be referring to a structure, a stand which supports another object.
In bird watching jargon, the sound of birds may be their song, or it may be their drum, a rhythmic percussion such as made by the woodpecker.
I’m working with the idea that this water cistern drum is a significant object and it might be that this line is crytic reference to it.

Unknown

Unknown:
From Robert Louis Stevenson’s
Treasure Island
(compare to the first 2 lines of V6):
TO THE HESITATING PURCHASER
If sailor tales to sailor tunes,
Storm and adventure, heat and cold,
If schooners, islands, and maroons,
And buccaneers, and buried gold,
And all the old romance, retold
Exactly in the ancient way,
Can please, as me they pleased of old,
The wiser youngsters of today:
–So be it, and fall on!  If not,
If studious youth no longer crave,
His ancient appetites forgot,
Kingston, or Ballantyne the brave,
Or Cooper of the wood and wave:
So be it, also!  And may I
And all my pirates share the grave
Where these and their creations lie!

Finally starting to come together!
FB posted this in literary references:
I underlined Cooper, the profession that is “barrel making”.
The verse:
Of all the romance retold
Men of tales and tunes
Treasure Island
Cruel and bold
Murder?
Seen here
By eyes of old
Witnessed by blind eyes (age related blindness) = no witnesses
Stand and listen to the birds
Drumming, the woodpecker is an example of a bird that drums
Hear the cool, clear song of water
Rain percussing on the metal cistern barrel
Harken to the words:
A sermon?
Freedom at the birth of a century
Barabas, avoided the penalty for murder
Or May 1913
Woodrow Wilson was president.  Diminutive of Woodrow is “Woody”
Edwin and Edwina named after him
Father and daughter: succession
Or on the eighth a scene
Where law defended
Battle of Fort Sumter where Union soldiers (Law) defended against Confederates shortly after the 8th state seceeded from the Union
Between two arms extended
Below the bar that binds
Supported by two arms (concrete blocks) the cistern barrell (bar) that holds (hold = bind) water
Beside the long palm’s shadow
A helping hand: the beacon of a light house reaches a long distance, “long arm”, assisting sea vessels
Embedded in the sand
Waits the Fair remuneration
The casque is your payment
White house close at hand.
Riddle: The White House, home of the President: who is closest at hand?  A: Vice President.
Hello tenuous theory…
So I have Woody the Woodpecker, clues about drumming, possibly a loose anagram of drummer = murder, escaping penalty for murder, cistern / rain barrels, successor, succession, and secession: the parent and child, the President and Vice President, and the withdrawl from the Union.
Andrew Johnson, the lighthouse keeper and murderer
Andrew Johnson, the succeeding Vice President to the assassinated President Lincoln.
This is one messed up hunt.

Could “edwin and edwina named after him” just be a really obvious clue for [
C
]
Harleston
(i.e., Edwin
Harleston
)?
All the letters are here to
C
There really are only a few possibilities of who this could be referring to, and Harleston would be perfect as a clue.

Nod.
Hey, I researched the New York Times May 1913.  Lots of material there.  The Leo Frank ordeal looked interesting.  There was an article about a judge who saw the same sea turtle three times in 53 years on the coast of Long Island…each time he carved his initials and the date on its shell.

anus905

a) i actually know what im doing as opposed to everyone else.
b) i account for every single clue, bar none.
c) the sandbox i dug in is IN THE DAMN PAINTING EXACTLY.

a) this accounts for the number of casques he has dug up, wanting to dig in a cemetery, and using objects that didn’t exist in 81 as clues.
b) including clues that have absolutely nothing to do with this hunt.
c) Then why don’t he show everybody this clue so we will all know he is correct?

which clue? ive released this complete solve…

i haven’t seen anyone post this on any of the forums, so i am going to throw this fact into the mix: fort sumter was not controlled by the south for the full duration of the war. for a short period, the north actually had control. September 8th, 1863 (the second battle of fort sumter) the south tried to retake the fort and failed. the law defended (the Constitution)

fort sumter was a union fort dude. it temporarily fell to the confederates. you follow the path that the cannons take in this puzzle.
Moiultrie —> Sumter —> WPG.

davinci4

Drunknerds. Sorry for the delayed response. I wanted to ‘defend’ the Lafayette Park theory. I think “the whole is greater than the sum of the parts” here.
With regard to the verses, if we agree Portsmouth Square/Clay Street is a reasonable interpretation for part one, and Octavia/tennis courts for part three, then there is enough information here to lead to Lafayette Park. I agree the Edwin Booth interpretation for part two is not definitive. I think the first half of verses was intended to help triangulate a position at the park (using the “or” repetitively) and not a step by step walkthrough.
With regard to the painting, I would consider the water fountain as a strong confirmer. I have a modified version of White Rabbit’s solution that includes the first floor windows at the Spreckles mansion for the barred window. I also interpret the ‘two arms’ extended to be Clay/Octavia which puts you in the center on the park adjacent to the tennis court right at a sandy area that sticks out from the rest of the landscape there. There are three ‘orbs’ half buried in that area too.
As a general comment, I could see Preiss choosing this park as it really is a ‘hidden gem’ in SF similar to other burial
sites. I hope the SF searchers strongly consider this site/solution and not exclude it from the list.

Excellent. I love a good counter argument-argument back- and – forth.
That said, please make actual points and arguments. I’ve noted that the giant block in the middle of the post doesn’t match at all, that the court would never be described by a linguist like Preiss as a “scene” rather than a setting, and that any Octavia/8th street in literally any city has a pretty good match for a “court” somewhere along it.
You’ve responded by stating the fountain is a “strong confirmer” without presenting any actual evidence. That does nothing. This is not an election where if enough people say something is true then that makes it true. You’ve also stated “if we agree.. the Octavia/tennis courts is… a reasonable solution,” when I specifically DISAGREED with those two points. Also, it’s tough for me to get on board with the “Preiss wanted to point out a hidden gem” theory when the two found casques were in an empty field by a railroad track and a nonsdescript wall. Plus I’ve been to that park a few times, it never really stood out to me at all.
Don’t get me wrong, I want nothing more than for someone to put forth an impressive counter argument that refutes my points and cements that Park as a likely spot, and I love that you are addressing my individual points in a way that would make some solid arguments if they just had some reasoning or refutation. I don’t really care where it’s buried, I just want people to start making actual arguments based on logic and a back-and-forth discussion where both sides make actual points other than “well I think it’s good,” and stop this weird popularity contest where people choose sides and refuse to budge, utterly misrepresent what other people say, and base solves on association even though no puzzle in the history of puzzles (INCLUDING Preiss’ two solved puzzles) has ever used that “technique”

I have not heared of it being a plat either. The thing is somehow if this is the right verse this is talking about either the Muny or Worlds Fair Pavillion.

Or…
… you could (without researching) find “May 1913” is printed one place in Charleston – White Point Garden. Whaddaya know… It’s on the Maine marker. What’s a main part of the image? Oh look, the image is built around the mane.
Com’on mayne!, use your brain!
I don’t disagree that there are many literature-based clues embedded directly and indirectly in these verse. But, if you asked me how we would solve these puzzles, I would lean toward street smarts rather than book smarts. Why? As evidenced by the solved puzzles.

Palicgofueniczekt” post=”463172579

A new century starts at year 1, so 1801. Hope this helps.

Those are good points, but it could stand to be reconciled that the found casques provide proof of their own case and not enough to support proof of a system.
We can play word association all day, and it just one unproven methodology among many.
I just posted this to SA, where trolling is even more enlightening:
Maybe that does help. Ive seen differing sources on Denmark Vesey. I bought an old book about him that says he bought his freedom in 1800, while wikipedia’s source says 1799. Neither being 1801, so that being the case, the words “start of a new century” or “birth of a century” wouldnt strictly apply.
Why does Priess use the word “birth” anyway? It would seem he wnts us to recognize that kind of event where a person or event undergoes a typical naming ceremony. Thts what people do with new babies. Isnt that what happened in 1776 when the founding fathers decided it was no longer the King’s country and we would be a “United States of America”.
I’m really warming up to the idea of using the dates 1877 or 1977 as new centuries after the adoption of the US Constitution in 1776.
I’m also warming up to the VP succession of Johnson after both Lincoln’s and JFK’s death. That twin or parallel is perhaps what snagged BP’s attention and why he goes through the trouble of using the Edwin and Edwina line and wby he says “white house close at hand”, meaning the VP.
How could it not pique ones imagination to hear that a murdering lighthouse keeper had the same name of Lincoln’s successor?
Thats why I believe the Twin Lighthouses in Cape Romaine some 30 miles outside Charleston are a consideration for finding a casque.

erexere

I’m really warming up to the idea of using the dates 1877 or 1977 as new centuries after the adoption of the US Constitution in 1776.

By your logic, any year at all would serve as the birth of a century. The years 1853, 1927, and 2006 are all births of centuries. 1776 might be described as the birth of a
country
, but I don’t think it could be usefully described as the birth of a century.

True that should be obvious to anyone but word birth is utilized at least one example I can think of for our nation wasn’t it called Birth of a Nation? Didn’t that early film represent a lot of the controversy and inequality and racism in this country?

erexere

Those are good points, but it could stand to be reconciled that the found casques provide proof of their own case and not enough to support proof of a system.

I agree they can look different, and that has sorta been what has been going on as far as thought process for the last while.
But what if the two puzzles work in the exact same manner… A manner that you haven’t yet discovered. And then, after some thought, you find that nearly all the puzzles exhibit the same clues and structure, and that using the same manner leads to a consistent and predictable place in the remainder of the puzzles.

yea I know, I heard it on the podcast, so what exactly was censored in the Symp-Trog image?

I dunno reg. He apparently expected readers to find an obscure quote from Herman Melville’s most obscure novel, before word-search, home computers, or the internet were widely available.

I don’t understand why this theory is still being entertained. Google estimates that there are 129,864,880 different books in the world. One of those books, “Abroad in America,” contains the quote by Domingo Sarmiento found in Verse 2.
THAT SAME BOOK
, on p. 164, mentions that a pair of twins,
Edwin and Edwina
, were named after Edward Wilmot Blyden.
Now that’s a pretty unlikely event, that these two things would both appear in the same book. What are the odds? I’d say about 1 in 129,864,880 if the Edwin Forrest theory were true, but highly likely if the Blyden theory is true. The probability that there is any other explanation for the Edwin/Edwina is vanishingly small.
To strengthen the case against Edwin Forrest, note that Edwin Booth was named after Edwin Forrest, but his daughter Edwina was not. She was almost certainly named after her father, Edwin Booth.

I wonder how BP expected readers to discover this Abroad in America without internet back then.  Would it not throw off readers?  Especially since the “palaces to shelter” quote describes New Orleans based on the authors point of view, not BP’s or some random citizen.
Or were there references?
-regulus

On April 8th, 1873, the scene of a murder, then declared a suicide, of Lighthouse Keeper Andrew Johnson’s wife, immediately after she buried her diamond studded hairpins and other valuables in the sand nearby continues to stand out in mind as an opportunity to create an elaborate puzzle.
On the eighth a scene near twin lighthouses, an old but popular true story about buried treasure involving the happenstance name of President Lincoln’s successor Andrew Johnson…
http://www.lighthousedigest.com/digest/ … ryKey=3660
People have been strongly opinionated against the idea. Exactly why isnt clear. Is McClellanville too far away? Is an old lighthouse ghost story too far fetched? Is there substantial evidence that its unlikely or impossible that the public or Preiss himself would have acces to Lighthouse Island at Cape Romaine?
Does the May 13th 1913 birth date of William Tolbert Jr., killed president of Liberia in 1980, but decendent of free African people emmigrated from Charleston as a parrallel to VP Andrew Johnson (closest at hand to the white house) and Pres. Lincoln’s assassination in the Civil War era just too complicated or conceivable?
Also on a final note, the death of the keepers wife, Abraham Lincoln, and William Tolbert, all occurred in the month of April which is the birthstone month for Diamond.

I’d love to see some photos, but the coincidences are too much. From the sound of it all, perhaps the casque is by the park and not in the park.
wilhouse

Of all the romance retold
Men of tales and tunes
Cruel and bold
Seen here
By eyes of old
Stand and listen to the birds
Hear the cool, clear song of water
Edwin Forrest’s summer home in North Philadelphia was turned into a retirement home for aged and sick actors in 1876, four years after his death.  It was one of his final wishes.  The home retained all of his things.  Props, costumes and such.
(
seen here by eyes of old
)  Unfortunately, the Edwin Forrest Fund sold the property in 1988, and created a new home in Englewood NJ.  I couldn’t find anything on the old property.  I thought that might have been a good lead.  Oh well.
http://www.futurefocus.net/afund/edwin_forrest.htm
(towards the bottom of page)

Egbert, didn’t you once say that Preiss told you that there was no treasure in philly?
wilhouse

I think the Treasure Island link is one of the best finds so far as this verse goes.  I think it’s our first clue to look for an island in the vicinity of the Lat/Long.

I’m still digging through a possible I1/V6 route from the RLS monument, moving to a final dig spot beneath the Dewey Monument in Union Square. I’d never found a clear meaning for a couple V6 lines, so I thought I’d take a stab at them this weekend.
For “Hear the cool, clear song of water” I stumbled across this interesting fact today. The
sea goddess
Mazu (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazu
) was thought to have originated during China’s
Song
dynasty (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Song_dynasty
).
San Francisco has at least a couple Taoist temples dedicated to Mazu/Mat-su. This one (
http://www.matsuusa.org
) was actually located on Grant Street until 1996 (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma-Tsu_Te … California
)), which looks like it would have been right along a straight-line walking path through Chinatown.
I don’t suppose anyone has any thoughts on that whole “Listen to the birds” bit? Maybe an old-school Chinese poultry market or something?

JamesV

I’m still digging through a possible I1/V6 route from the RLS monument, moving to a final dig spot beneath the Dewey Monument in Union Square. I’d never found a clear meaning for a couple V6 lines, so I thought I’d take a stab at them this weekend.
For “Hear the cool, clear song of water” I stumbled across this interesting fact today. The
sea goddess
Mazu (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazu
) was thought to have originated during China’s
Song
dynasty (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Song_dynasty
).
San Francisco has at least a couple Taoist temples dedicated to Mazu/Mat-su.
This one (
http://www.matsuusa.org
) was actually located on Grant Street until 1996 (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma-Tsu_Te … California
)), which looks like it would have been right along a straight-line walking path through Chinatown.
I don’t suppose anyone has any thoughts on that whole “Listen to the birds” bit? Maybe an old-school Chinese poultry market or something?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma-Tsu_Temple_(San_Francisco,_California)
“Founded in 1986, it is dedicated to…”
http://www.matsuusa.org/indexE
“On September 13, 1986, Ma-Tsu Temple of San Francisco officially opened its doors to the public.”
Both Wikipedia and the temple’s own site state that it didn’t exist until ’86, no matter where it was originally located. If you’re following this train of thought, then maybe one of the other Taoist temples you mentioned would fit better with the publication date of the book / estimated year of when the casques were buried?

I mentioned “The Fountain” that has the same shape as the pearl’s shadow on I1 thread ad nauseum. It’s a block away from Maiden Lane and Union Square.
An old silent movie from 1913, “The Rose of May”, a love story, romance, magic, and a struggling publisher.
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&p=148729&hilit=fountain#p148729
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1159694/

JamesV

I’m still digging through a possible I1/V6 route from the RLS monument, moving to a final dig spot beneath the Dewey Monument in Union Square. I’d never found a clear meaning for a couple V6 lines, so I thought I’d take a stab at them this weekend.
For “Hear the cool, clear song of water” I stumbled across this interesting fact today. The
sea goddess
Mazu (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazu
) was thought to have originated during China’s
Song
dynasty (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Song_dynasty
).
San Francisco has at least a couple Taoist temples dedicated to Mazu/Mat-su. This one (
http://www.matsuusa.org
) was actually located on Grant Street until 1996 (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma-Tsu_Te … California
)), which looks like it would have been right along a straight-line walking path through Chinatown.
I don’t suppose anyone has any thoughts on that whole “Listen to the birds” bit? Maybe an old-school Chinese poultry market or something?

James, I have the line “Hear the cool, clear song of water” as being a reference to the Star Spangled Banner.

Mister EZ

“Founded in 1986, it is dedicated to…”

Good catch, thanks! I must’ve been channeling my inner Josh Cornell, thinking that maybe BP could have known where the temple was going to be built…

I always thought the “little dancer” had a resemblance to the shadow of the lion nose in the image. Not exact but similar with the arms extended. I honestly don’t think it is because there’s really no head but the general shape is the same.

boogieman

The secret what?  Wigi?  Now why didn’t I think of that?  The Wigi board will tell us where the casques are!!!  or is that Ouigi Board?

An Ouigi Board may be woth a try.
I do think for now this verse goes with New York. I think the Edwin and Edwina being named after the actor is the more likely case. I think the Gray Giant verse goes with St. Louis. The good news is doth this and the verse we think may go to charlstron have some definate or at the time of publication definate clues to tie them to spacific locations in spacific parks and cities.
For the Gray Giant verse the Indies Native sign is the definate clue for the other verse Lane 222 is the definate clue. Wether the sign is still there and/or Lane 222 is still there I do not know.
But, the correct cities parks and recreation department and/or historical society will likely have a record of them.
Over the next few weeks i will be contacting some of them to see what help they can be. Anything I find I will post here
Soon I will update my Image to Verse Match thread with all the possible combinations as of now and will continue to update it as I learn more.

Full steam ahead on another front…
“May 1913”
home.hawaii.rr.com/theatreleague/actors’_equity.htm
Started as the “Players Club” by Edwin Booth a number
of years prior.
This is why the verse has two ORs.
The founding of The Players Club (at the turn of the century – 1876)
and then after his death the chnaging it to the AEA.
This all took place in the same building:  16 Gramacy Park, New York City.
(has a statue of Edwin Booth out in the Park)
When Booth bought the place, he had it totaly renovated by a renown
arhcitrect who lived down the block:  S. White
His home is now the Gramacery Hotel.
No image to place it to and not fully sold on the complete verse,
but interesting options here for those striving for a New York find.

May 1913
May 1 Longacre Theater opens at 220 W 48th St. New York City
May 6 King Nikita I of Montenegro vacates Skoetari, North-Albania
May 7 British House of Commons rejects woman’s right to vote
May 9 17th amendment provides for election of senators by popular vote
May 10 39th Kentucky Derby: Roscoe Goose aboard Donerail wins in 2:04.8
May 10 Yanks commit 8 errors and still beat Tigers 10-9 in 10 innings
May 12 Harry Green runs world record marathon (2:38:16.2)
May 13 1st 4 engine aircraft built and flown (Igor Sikorsky-Russia)
May 14 French Hals museum opens in Harleem Netherlands
May 14 Washington Senator Walter Johnson ends record scorless streak at 56 innings
May 19 Webb Alien Land-Holding Bill passes, forbidding Japs from owning land
May 20 38th Preakness: James Butwell aboard Buskin wins in 1:53.4
May 26 Actors’ Equity Association forms (New York City)
May 30 1st Balkan War ends, Treaty of London
May 30 John McGraw joins Fred Clarke, Cap Anson, Frank Selee, and Connie Mack
May 30 New country of Albania, forms
May 31 17th amendment (direct election of senators) declared ratified
May 31 Alexis Ahlgren runs world record maraton (2:36:06.6)
Only a few notables in the United States.

White House close at hand
http://www.nyc-architecture.com/GRP/GRP006.htm

Daughter and Grandson named after him!!
(only the elder Edwin was named for Forrest)
The elder Booth, on stage since the age of 17, was a rival of Edmund Kean’s in London and acted and managed several theaters in the United States from 1821 on. Edwin Booth made his first appearance at 16 in his father’s company, playing Richard III as had his father. He made his first visit to London in 1861. From 1863-1867, Edwin Booth was the manager of the Winter Garden on Broadway in New York City. In the 1864-1865 season he played the role of Hamlet 100 times, a record unbroken until John Barrymore’s 101 in 1922. Also in 1864, Booth played Brutus in Julius Caesar with his brothers John Wilkes Booth as Anthony and Junius Brutus Booth, Jr. as Cassius. This was their only performance together. On March 23, 1867, the theater burned down just as Booth was about to appear as Romeo. He built his own theater, Booth’s, on 6th Avenue and 23rd Street in New York City, opening in 1869 with Romeo and Juliet. This venture was not successful and Booth went bankrupt in 1873.
Booth did return to successful touring in the United States, England and Germany. In 1881 he appeared at the Lyceum in London at the invitation of Henry Irving, alternating with him the roles of Othello and Iago. In 1888 Booth presented his house in Gramercy Square to the newly founded Players’ Club. He served as the first president of the club, kept a suite of rooms there and died in office.
Edwin Booth was married twice: on July 7, 1860 to Mary Devlin Booth (5/19/1840-2/21/1863), who died after a brief illness and on June 7, 1869 to Mary McVicker Booth (9/1848-11/13/1881). Both wives had done some acting before marriage. Mary Devlin Booth was the mother of Edwin Booth’s only surviving child, Edwina Booth Grossman (12/9/1861-12/25/1938). Concerned for her father’s legacy, Edwina Booth Grossman published a book of recollections of her father including edited transcriptions of many of his letters. She married Ignatius Grossman and had two children: Mildred Booth Grossman Tilton and Clarence Edwin Booth Grossman, an artist and member of the Players’ Club who went by Edwin as an adult and died in 1957.
Positive New York City connection!

It was so painful reading 39 pages of posts to make sure nobody had already come up with my solution.
In any case, I know the location, and it IS IN CENTRAL PARK!!!!
(Really just at the outskirts. Does anyone have the quote from BP where he said it was not in the park, because I would bet that the quote, like the verses, is open to interpretation and intended to mislead.
If there is someone in New York who has the opportunity to dig, I will share the solution via private message if they promise to take pictures and share the credit with me in the documentary that is being made.
Once we have the key, I will share the solution with the rest of the board.
Andrew
PM me at zahalsky@hotmail

About to set off on business travel for a while, but before I logged off Q4T I just wanted to post the pipe-dream “dig spot” I’ve been looking into lately. (This is for a possible I1/V6 pairing, starting at the RLS monument in Portsmouth Square, traveling through Chinatown somehow, ending at the Admiral Dewey monument in Union Square.)
Between two arms extended
– Could this be a landmark reference for the “Victory” statue atop the Dewey monument pillar?
Below the bar that binds
– I’m thinking this could simply be a reference for the trident in her hand. It’s definitely shaped like a bar, and in a poetical/synonym sense it could be used to “bind” (synonyms: capture, restrain, fasten, etc.) somebody or something.
Beside the long palm’s shadow
– I think I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but this reference might just be a signal towards the laurel wreath that “Victory” is carrying in her other hand.
Embedded in the sand
– It’s a little tough to tell from online photographs, but it *appears* that the base of the Dewey Monument is surrounded by a small circle of fill dirt, sand, or something similar. If that’s the case, then this “solution” would pin it down to a casque-sized dig area, in an area which seems to meet the guidelines for the hunt.
Moreover, it looks like that historic “White House” department store building (
http://www.thedepartmentstoremuseum.org … ornia.html
) is only a block away. Now I’m wondering if that
“close at hand”
reference might actually be some kind of a direction indicator– like, if the dig spot is the center of a clock, the White House might be directly behind it at six o’clock (time shown on the watch)?
Last, just a quick hats-off to all the SF searchers slogging their way through online image searches for this hunt. I swear, over the past few weeks I must have seen several hundred shots of people’s coffee cups…

James Vachowski
After checking,
the flowerbeds around the monument were square and much larger in 1982
During the 1999/2000 renovation the sidewalk and flowerbeds were removed. so there was no dirt around the base of the monument at that time.
The cement borders and sidewalk were created and then dirt was filled back in.

Unknown

Unknown:
This is for a possible I1/V6 pairing

“Edwin and Edwina named after him”. Quite possibly the easiest one, conceptually speaking.

Great find JamesV! Only strengthens the Treasure Island reference in the opening of the verse….SF searchers please strongly consider the I1/V6 pairing.

you realize theres a treasure island just off the coast of san fran right? doesnt mean you have to use the treasure island verse for S|F, seeing as i already got to final location using the charleston painting-verse combination.

I am just looking at probability. There are a finite number of plaques/memorials dedicated to RLS and Edwin Booth across the country. In SF, they are exactly five blocks from each other, in Chinatown no less. All I am saying if this were 1982 and I walked south from Portsmouth Square where there is a water fountain and the ship from Treasure Island on top of it (with dragon lampposts in the square) to find Edwin Booth mentioned on a plaque outside the California Theater, I would have been pretty certain I was on the right track.

davinci4

Portsmouth Square (with RLS fountain) is bordered by Grant and Kearny. Five blocks south is the California Theater (with the Edwin Booth plaque) which is also between Grant and Kearny. Both markers are in Chinatown, the main the theme of image 1. Looks like a pretty good starting point for this verse.

I got a chance to hit the local library today, and found a couple cool San Francisco guidebooks to page through this week. Fun fact that I haven’t see mentioned on Q4T yet: the ship pictured atop of the RLS monument is apparently a scale model of the
Hispaniola
, which was the ship featured in the book
Treasure Island
.
Sharing a link to a neat travel blog, which has a fun walking tour around the area along with good, close-up pictures of the monument:
http://www.billyscities.com/san-francis … -1-part-1/

Sonoran

Or on the eighth a scene

This is a good line to take as a line by itself, not running it into the following line to make a sentence.  I like the alternative of using “eighth” as a street rather than a date. (It could just as well be a train line, as someone might say they rode in “on the 8th”, maybe.)  And every word has been chosen for a reason, so there must be particular signficance in saying it was “a scene” — i have always like the Edwin Forrest backstory, and a theatrical scene would be the best use of this word, not just an event on a street.

Verse 6 uses more history in its clues than the other verses. Wikipedia was helpful in finding many of these clues. I’m really starting to like Wikipedia. Here is what turtle123456 and I found so far. The links are in blue.
Of all the romance retold
Drama and theater.
Treasure Island
reference may be used to represent another treasure island, Manhattan Island?
Men of tales and tunes
Actors and theater.
Cruel and bold
Shakespeare
or
Elizabethan
theatre?
Seen here
Astor Place Opera House
By eyes of old
Astor Place Opera House stood from
1847 to 1854
.
Stand and listen to the birds
Stand, not sit. Why stand? Parks always have birds. Maybe this is to move us from the Astor Place Opera House to the park.
Hear the cool, clear song of water
There is a large
fountain
in the center of park next to the Arch.
Harken to the words:
Harken, from
Old English
. Reference to
theater
from the past?
Freedom at the birth of a century
Washington Square Arch
. The
inscription
on one side of the Arch reads “TO COMMEMORATE THE ONE HUNDREDTH ANNIVERSARY OF THE INAUGURATION OF GEORGE WASHINGTON AS FIRST PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES”
Or May 1913
Washington Square Park
. On
May
3,
1913
, an estimated 10,000 women’s suffrage advocates assembled in Washington Square Park and then marched eight abreast up Fifth Avenue in support of their cause.
Edwin Edwina named after him
Edwin Forrest
.
Or on the eighth a scene
Eighth Street was the site of the
Astor Place Riot
.
Edwin Forrest
’s feud with the English actor
William Macready
sparked the so-called Astor Place Riot on May 10, 1849.  Astor Place Opera House is bordered by Broadway,
Astor Place
and
8th St.
“The 7th Regiment marched up Broadway to Astor Place, wheeled right and, though coming under fierce bombardment, managed to force through the crowd to a position in the rear of the Opera House on
Eighth
Street.”
Where law defended
“
The police force
, obviously insufficient, became trapped with their backs up against the building, and the National Guard from the Seventh Regiment, already mobilized and prepared, was called in. They marched back down on Broadway and turned again into Astor Place, but the crowd was so thick and belligerent that they were forced to proceed in single file, squeezing themselves between the building and the mob.”
Between two arms extended
Below the bar that binds
Beside the long palm’s shadow
Final spot phrases. This line may need some feet on the ground in Washington Square Park.
Embedded in the sand
Buried.
Waits the Fair remuneration
Waiting for us to recover of the casque.
White house close at hand.
Stanford White
, an important American architect, designed Washington Square Arch (1889) and
Judson Memorial Church
on South West side of Washington Square.
An interesting resource I came across for researching New York is
New York Songlines
. The website allows you to move through the streets on virtual history tour. It was a little tricky when north did not stay up, but fun.
The three streets for the Astor Place Riot are
8th Street
,
Lafayette Street
,
Broadway
. Astor Pl. is the fourth street but it is only two blocks long and has no Songline.
The four streets for Washington Square Park are
Washington Square North/ Waverly Pl.
,
Washington Square South/ 4th St.
,
Washington Square East/ University Pl.
, and
Mac Dougal St.
There have been a few movies and television shows filmed in Washington Square Park. At least the first four productions can be bought.
1967
Barefoot in the Park
– All footage is in scene 16. Nice wide shot filming.
1993
Searching for Bobbie Fischer
– Little scenes of park throughtout the movie.
1995
Kids
– Nothing good in movie.
2002
Gilmore Girls
– Lorelai’s Graduation Day – Episode 21 of Season 2 – Only shows small patch of grass next to street.
None
Sesame Street Episodes
2007
I am Legend
– post-production

Just reading the last post, so I might make multiple posts here…
“Treasure Island” is a island off of San Fransico and supports
the Bay Bridge (between Oakland and SF)
I like this place because the roadway off and onto the island(s)
is called Serpentine Drive.