In 1988 Treasure Island was a US Navy base and you were not allowed onto the island without official business.
You could get off the bridge at Yerba Buena Island but there was no access to treasure island without passing through the base gate.
and as treasure island  is an artificial island 99% of it is and was paved.

It is possible that this verse goes to San Fransisco but I do not think so. I think our idea that the casque is in the tea garden is correct. The image on the kimono is a map of Golden Gate Park. I looked at the park online and the map was an exact match to the kimono image. JJP was likely given a brochure with a park map in it to paint this that is how exact it is.  The SF image is likely Japanese theamed to confirm to you that the Tea Garden is correct. Everyone I have talked to and some of you have said he could not get in the tea garden. It looks as though some how BP did get in. He did not want the searcher to think this way. The image could also be misinterpreted to be saying dig in the moon garden. The GGP map is likely to keep people from useing this verse to go to Treasure Island.

Here’s a tidbit that might factor in, if not already considered – the Jewel Box is constructed of eight arches, according to the following link:
www.48plus2.com/forest.htm
Could this be a link to the “on the eighth a scene”?

Last line analysis:
White house close at hand. = white [light] house near and its narrow and vertical position is similar to a person raising their hand like someone with a question or roll call.

Also, I’m kicking around the idea that “white house” has potential in a context of slavery.

drunknerds

…Not enough people have adhered to the rules of the original two casques and the research done on Q4T … The methods for the found casks clearly show that having boots-on-the-ground images is key to solving the puzzles, yet rarely does someone go out and take a bunch of pictures of little-seen areas near where image matches abound. What is between the utility box and the freeway in 2C Charlesgate?
Where do the tall palm trees/statue palms shadows fall at 4 PM in White Point Gardens in the appropriate month?
To this day I have no idea what is between the Elizabethan Gardens and the crumbled gate.
Rather than build off the decades-long work of others, people have dismissed it and tried to solve the puzzle using Google Streetview, even though to this day that wouldn’t work for Chicago…

Drunknerds comment from another thread:
http://quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&start=4080#p152145
Re: “Beside the long palm’s shadow”:
At the risk of appearing to ignore Drunknerd’s entire point about not engaging in ”remote searching’ here is a tool to get the general gist of a shadow’s direction, etc for any given location for any day and time you’d like to test.
https://www.findmyshadow.com/
Pinpoint the exact location using the map, upload overhead if desired, enter day and time specifics, use tool to set dimensions (height, etc) of the object.
Here are some examples attempting to chase down a thought about shadow direction (and approximately where/which way they would “point” – thus the exaggerated height).
Using the flagpole at WPG to test. For all dates, time is set to 4 PM.
To Drunknerd’s point, this site can maybe help test a theory or give you a basic idea of shadow direction without having to wait until Dec 1, then physically be there in Charleston at 4 PM to find out. But is not going to give you a reliable dig spot…

long palm
https://www.artandarchitecture-sf.com/w … C_4483.jpg

MERLIN

long palm
https://www.artandarchitecture-sf.com/w … C_4483.jpg

Did you find edwin/edwina connection?
William McKinley
Edward Baker

Before I have posted I wanted everyone to know that I did not read all 52 pages of this forum but have used the search feature to see if my post has been put forth previously. I did not find that my thought is redundant.
The line – Harken to the words
Harken refers to 3 different people. Preiss’ daughter Karah. His wife Sandi MENdelson. And Felix Mendelssohn, a German composer, pianist, Organist, whose
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festgesang
A hymn tune, is what the words of Hark the Herald Angels Sing was put to.
So maybe the line is a shout out to his wife and daughter and the words are German?

I disagree.
I think the harken line is about hearing words, probably something to do with a speech by a well known public figure.

This is a test reply. I’ve tried posting twice now, but have not been able to. Hopefully this works…

Choice

There’s a statue of Yuan Shikai’s predecessor in Chinatown.

Sun Yat-sen? Yeah, I think it was WhiteRabbit who pointed out how the female in Image 1 also bore a resemblance to that other statue of Sun Yat-sen, located in St. Mary’s Square.

There’s a statue of Yuan Shikai’s predecessor in Chinatown.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Yat-sen

I’m still stubbornly pursuing an I1/V6 pairing leading towards Union Square, with a specific focus on any possible Chinese references within V6. I just finished Paul French’s great true crime story “Midnight in Peking”, which set me digging a little deeper into Chinese history. Thanks to our friends at Wikipedia for this clue:
On
May 2, 1913
(Friday). The United States recognized the government of the new Chinese republic, with American Chargé d’Affaires Edward T. Williams presenting U.S. President Wilson’s message to Chinese President Yuan Shihkai. As the first world leader to give recognition to the Republic of China, Wilson acted without prior notice even to the U.S. Congress. “
I’m curious if this might be what was meant by the mysterious “Or May 1913” line? After retiring from the Foreign Service, CDA Williams apparently settled in California and taught at UC Berkeley. I did a few Google searches, but couldn’t find any obvious plaques, monuments, etc. dedicated to either Williams or the diplomatic recognition. If this hunch is correct, it may also just be another general reference towards China/Taiwan.

The first line:  Of all the romance retold
Initially this gives us our first clue, find an island, what local stories involve a treasure.  There are several island areas near Charleston.  My focus is on Lighthouse Island in Cape Romain.
Eventually I see the location as having to do with the retelling of a story of romance.  One reading of the clues has something to do with the drumming of a woodpecker type bird.  Drumming has the same use as bird song in terms of attracting mates, hence romance.  I believe we are looking at an actual drum in the form of a water cistern when we recover the casque.

Maybe BP located a casque near Roanoake based on an Elizabethan/Chess theme, then he hopped on a ferry headed to Charleston and decided his next casque would be a Windstorm/Lighthouse/Boatwreck theme.
Could the lion be a “cape lion”?  A note about this extinct species mentions they have distinctive black ears.  Maybe it’s just an effect but the lion does have a dark or black area for an ear.
The Romans used the lion as a symbol.  I wonder if the Cape Romaine National Refuge is where this going.

Well, we’ve certainly been here before. These are all well and good, but they’re all on the wrong side of the harbor if we are going to consider Isle of Palms and Sullivan’s. I checked out the Pirate’s house, as well, –here’s a photo essay:
http://fitzhughwilliams.org/website/piratehouse/piratehouse.html
and again, though it is a “white house” and it is “nearby”, that’s the only connection to the verse I can see. The Pirate house has literally no place to dig
at all.
the anchor on the front of it has no palms, long or otherwise.
I’m inclined to stay across the harbor–because of the ferry/fairy and because her legs are “crossed” and her arms look like the two bridges, as well as the Pear(man bridge). I think these are very strong indicators that we should CROSS the harbor; I don’t think it could have been be buried at Fort Sumter itself–though I can be wrong about that. It was 1980 after all, and there was no security like now–he might well have buried the casque there without a lot of interference. I’m willing to consider Sumter, but we’ve pretty much been all over Charleston the city and haven’t found enough confirmation anywhere to influence a digging site.  Remember–the verse says “BETWEEN” two arms extended. The little arms on the statues are not wide enough to contain a between.
The obelisk-shape on the mask could very well be a lighthouse. There are two very famous ones in the harbor. One is on Sullivan’s Island.
I do like the bird/fountain thing, though. That’s a clever interp. It’s a common enough fountain fixture–maybe there is another one on the other side of the bay?

I want to consider “long palms shadow” as a structure of some kind and something which has the effect of “handiness” at a great distance.  That could be a wide number of things.  A lighthouse.  A brige.  For location purposes the “between” on two arms extended might be a very specific detail.  This has a lot of promise for someone on the ground working….i think my hands are google-tied on this one.

Strange that this verse mentions if you are standing and listening to the birds, and that you are hearing the cool, clear song of water… NOT that you are hearing the birds’ songs.
Could the birds be emitting the noise of water?
these are all at Calhoun Mansion – Meeting St. (between two arms extended)?
…Back to Washing Square (by eyes of old)?

shecrab

Well, we’ve certainly been here before. These are all well and good, but they’re all on the wrong side of the harbor if we are going to consider Isle of Palms and Sullivan’s.

Unknown

Unknown:
I checked out the Pirate’s house… and again, though it is a “white house” and it is “nearby”, that’s the only connection to the verse I can see. The Pirate house has literally no place to dig
at all.
the anchor on the front of it has no palms, long or otherwise.

Unknown

Unknown:
I’m inclined to stay across the harbor–because of the ferry/fairy and because her legs are “crossed” and her arms look like the two bridges, as well as the Pear(man bridge). I think these are very strong indicators that we should CROSS the harbor;

Unknown

Unknown:
I don’t think it could have been be buried at Fort Sumter itself–though I can be wrong about that. It was 1980 after all, and there was no security like now–he might well have buried the casque there without a lot of interference. I’m willing to consider Sumter, but we’ve pretty much been all over Charleston the city and haven’t found enough confirmation anywhere to influence a digging site.

Unknown

Unknown:
Remember–the verse says “BETWEEN” two arms extended. The little arms on the statues are not wide enough to contain a between.

Unknown

Unknown:
The obelisk-shape on the mask could very well be a lighthouse. There are two very famous ones in the harbor. One is on Sullivan’s Island.

Unknown

Unknown:
I do like the bird/fountain thing, though. That’s a clever interp. It’s a common enough fountain fixture–maybe there is another one on the other side of the bay?

Thanks for your responses, Shecrab. Mind considering my following opinions?
Why are we trying to inject the Isle of Palms or Sullivan’s Island when the picture clearly denotes Charleston? While I don’t think branching outward with our ideas is a bad thing, I lived in Charleston for a couple of years on Coming St., and you would never hear somebody say they are from Charleston if they lived on one of the islands. These are a remarkably far, time wise, traveling distance from Charleston. Also, if we are moving outward, why not consider the White House Plantation on James Island – owned by the Lawton family? Why keep moving outward… We already know these verses can be applied to almost any city?
I really don’t think that the Pirate house is where we would dig, rather it is the starting point of reference. Like the other verses (dare I say this is a common consensus), the first few lines are where we start:
Boston (?)                             Cleveland                          NO(?)
If Thucydides is                     Beneath two countries     At stone wall’s door
North of Xenophon               As the road curves            The air smells sweet
… and so on
Also, I don’t think the white house is the pirate house. As has already been discussed, Washington Square is on the Four Corners of the Law (law defended?). Directly across from the City Hall (SW corner of WSP), is the Charleston County Courthouse, designed by Hoban – the man that designed the real DC White House. Could this not be considered “White house close at hand?”
These could be/are simply to ways to cross the harbor to get TO Charleston, the bridge or the ferry coming from from Mt. Pleasant.
Agreed that the times, they are a changin’… but, the only thing making us move outward from Charleston is our inability to find an exact visual confirmer, like the solved images provided. This could be due to changes, or we simply haven’t layed our eyes on it yet. Or, the obelisk could possibly be this image; although, the solved images seemed to have stronger/more detailed representation.
This is a tough one. I can’t decide whether I think this is Meeting St., and uses a partial confirmer (“between” “below” “beside” all on monument, as well as “Fair Renown,” in caps) of WSP on Meeting St., or if this is the begining of our “exact spot” directions.
The Sullivan’s lighthouse is intriguing, but I fall back on the fact that while this might technically be Charleston, you would never hear somebody say so (e.g., if you ask where Sullivan’s or Palms is, you won’t be told Charleston; you’ll be told just north of Charleston. Sullivan’s and IoP are different towns. The Cleveland and Chicago solves did not point to a city, and then direct you to leave that city to go to a town nearby.
Again, why does there need to be another one, when we have one IN Charleston? Thanks for the props on the idea, though. I’ve been piecing through that one for a while.
Overall, I just don’t see why we stray so far from cool, clear visio-textual (i might have made that word up
) confirmers  😉 The satillite images of the cleveland and chicago solves utilize visual clues within city-blocks of each other, not across a harbor in another town with a different name; the other highly plausible proposed solutions also have this in common. I just don’t see this image being different.
A few things I’ve been pondering:
1) Has anyone else has yest discussed the time capsule next to the obelisk in WSP as the correct interpretation of “Freedom at the birth of A century”? This leads me to believe something is freed at the onset of 100 years, not THE century (meaning a specific century i.e. 1800 or 1900).
2) Could the obelisk outline be outlining the path we take in Charleston?
The image outlines an area from White Point Gardens all the way to Washington Square Park, notice the location of the bulges.
When you map a route between all the locations I’ve used as confirmers…
… You can see that these all fall (more or less) within that central area, with the top of the obelisk being WSP:
3) There are several obvious abnormalities in the image that have not been discussed:
1 – curving line
2 – straight line
3 – hook-shaped feature
The straight line and curve make a semi-circle, like the windows that are abundant among/above Charleston doors.
4) Could the lion’s hair be indicating pinestraw? It might explain the pine branches and twigs in the image:
I didn’t put that second arrow there… Is it on your image?
5) Why in the world is this wing like this:
Any ideas on these?

Unknown

Unknown:
Why are we trying to inject the Isle of Palms or Sullivan’s Island when the picture clearly denotes Charleston?

The Cleveland picture clearly showed the outline of Ohio–but that didn’t mean it was in Cincinnati. The Chicago picture didn’t show any state outline at all. I don’t see the problem. Yes, it shows Charleston–HARBOR. The whole thing, islands included. The edges of the wings show the outlne of Sullivan’s Island And a reasonable facsimilie of Isle of Palms. It also shows Fort Sumter–but that doesn’t mean the casque is on Fort Sumter either! More than trying to make it fit Charleston city–which we’ve done for years now without success–perhaps it’s time for a fresher take on this. Those wings always bothered me–they do not show anything that resembles anything IN the city of Charleston. They DO show lots of possibilities for the location being around the harbor–since the background is blue (like water) and the edges are white (like sand beaches) and the spots are brown (like land masses.) Isle of Palms/Sullivan came from the line “Long palm’s shadow” .  Again, we can’t pick what lines we like best–we have to at least try to incorporate everything in the verse to the location. The Long Palm did not show up anywhere in Charleston city that we could find. The fact that you have a large Pear and the bridge-like arms and the crossed feet and a FAIRY at all would not suggest staying IN the city, but crossing, by bridge, ferry or other method, the water. If not to find the casque, then why not? Why start in Mount Pleasant and cross to Charleston when starting in the most obvious location–Charleston–and crossing to the casque seems more logical?  At least it does to me.
The hairpin like shape in the mask also has a large curving line that extends from it to the right around the eye-hole. What about that? You don’t address that shape; the others you mentioned–the curving line, the straight line and the hook–I’m inclined to think are simply artistic license and not significant since they are hardly visible. The arrow you mention is not on my image.
And what about the star on the Sumter clock? Any thoughts?
How about the splotch on the lion’s face above its left eye?

AP – that’s some great research right there.
But a problem is that Lincoln’s proposals were just that – proposals. They didn’t pass (obviously, because slaves were freed in the 1860s, not 1900). They were also not part of his Emancipation Proclamation, but rather part of the State of the Union address to Congress in 1862. The next paragraph states:
“Congress refused to consider Lincoln’s proposals, which Horace Greeley in the New York Tribune labeled whales’ tubs of “gradualism, compensation, [and] exportation.” None of the Confederate States took the opportunity to rejoin the Union in the 100-day window offered and the war continued for another two years and four months. Eight months later the 13th Amendment was ratified, and slavery ended everywhere in the United States (
without gradualism
, compensation, or exportation).”
If it was never enacted, there wouldn’t be a plaque.
On the other hand, Lincoln’s proposal involved mass exportation to (presumably) places like Liberia, which brings in another Blyden link (incidentally, “Liberia” means “freedom”).
Regarding the January 1 quotation, it is from an 1890 publication and referred to that year, not 1900.

Follow-up. A plaque or marker could, of course, have been placed on Emancipation Day (Jan. 1) in 1900 quite independently of Lincoln’s proposals. I hope that’s the case!

another idea of something that “binds” i think is the “church”, wedding rings …family….stuff like that
i was trying to see if maybe BP was mentioning streets in the verse
and see i made it fit, lol
the “two arms extended”……….meeting street
“bar that binds”……………………church street
AND guess what’s between those two streets?
the pirate monument
http://www.hmdb.org/map.asp?markers=191 … 9167,19019

“Or on the eighth a scene…”
Could that refer to an opera?
John Hippisley’s “Flora”, the first operatic performance ever given in America,
is presented, Feb. 8, 1735, in Charleston, South Carolina.
That would have been considered
a scene
…It was performed at Broad and Church streets.
Some time lines that say the date was Feb.8th,  and some say Feb. 18th.  some say both dates…
The book quote below most definitely says Feb. 8th, 1735.  Maybe some visual clue in the area of
Broad St. and Church St. to commemorate this “first”.
AP
The link below is from:
* The American Opera: Has It Arrived?
* William Saunders
* Music & Letters, Vol. 13, No. 2 (Apr., 1932), pp. 147-155
(article consists of 9 pages)
* Published by: Oxford University Press
* Stable URL:
http://www.jstor.org/stable/726749
http://www.jstor.org/pss/726749

Slappy,
If the essay was not written before “The Secret”, we may have to take a different approach.
Looking up the word “bind” for synonyms… It can mean “border’ or “constrain”.
The bars and wall around the Battery do just that…as seen in one of Cthree’s photos.
If we are to look
below the bar that binds
, maybe we are to look
below
the wall.
Jstarr, is there now, or was there earlier, access to the beach below the wall around the Battery?
(preferably a place where there is a palm tree with a shadow
)
AP

That essay and quote is a very good argument for the Old Slave Market location.
It would not only fit with both Harleston and Blyden (since both worked for freedom for African-Americans) but it would also work with the concept of binding.
I am also of a mind that the “bar that binds” is an earthquake bolt–the long bars that are put through a lot of the houses in Charleston–they sometimes have lions’ heads as bolt covers which are visible on the outside of the building.  But this new quote brings up a different interpretation which I also like.
I don’t think the bar is a wall, though. That’s too broad an interpretation for me.
Also–the palm tree thing–it says
“beside the long palm’s shadow”
but think about this. One cannot be “beside a shadow” for very long–the shadow will
move
. That would be one of the dumbest ways to track something buried unless you were to give the exact date and time you wanted to find it with the shadow–(a la Masquerade’s shadow on the solstice at noon.)  Also, it’s unlikely that one would describe a tall tree as “long”.  So “long palm” has to mean something
other
than
tall palm
tree
.
Maybe a palm frond–or the palm of a hand–but not a tall tree.
But…….I will give you that saying that something is beside the shadow of something else could mean East or West of that thing–East if you’re talking about afternoon, and West if you’re talking about before noon–because that’s when you would have shadows on those sides of the thing. So technically, even though a shadow does move, one could say that “beside the shadow means to the East or to the West of something. It’s still an awkward way to put it.
So I’m for some other intrepretation of Palm, and
long
.

Shecrab,
If the essay were written early enough,so that BP could have read it, we could
use the quote to make more of a reference to slavery.
It was the metal bars along the top of the wall that made me think
of them “binding” or bordering and constraining…
There are more metal bars along the pedestrian walkway between
the waterfront and the road surrounding the Battery…as seen here
by the Historic Charleston Foundation…
AP

I believe I have found the meaning of the reference to:
Freedom at the birth of a century.
Apparently, Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation said that
all slaves were to be freed by January 1, 1900.
This is the day that blacks celebrated “Emancipation Day”
Below are links to sites that tell in more detail…
I have yet to find any visual markers, like a plaque.
Maybe there is something by the Old Slave Mart.
But since it appears that Emancipation-Day parades are
still held today, BP may have been there or heard of it.
AP
(read down about 13 paragraphs in the following article…about Emancipation Proclamation.)
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/miller1.html
“Regarding slaves in states loyal to the government or occupied by Union troops,
Lincoln proposed three constitutional amendments in his December 1862 State of the Union message to Congress.
The first was that slaves not freed by the Emancipation Proclamation be freed gradually over a 37-year period,
to be completed by
January 1, 1900
“
The following excerpt even mentions Edward, Wilmot Blyden in the preceding paragraph.
http://tinyurl.com/yffkgls
“The colored people of
Charleston, S. C., celebrated Emancipation Day, January 1
, with a street parade and speechmaking”

wow that’s is great AP!
i ‘m not sure there has to be a visual confirmer, maybe because this is the african gem image, just to confirm the right verse!  i really like it.

i agree with slappy. i think the emancipation proclimation is a perfect explination for the ‘birth’ line of the verse. great find!

Yes, and it’s one more marker for the Old Slave Mart.

Merlot Brougham

Earthquake bolts are bars that bind.

Below the bar that binds
I like the bolt idea. Not just earthquake bolts, but any old bolt, on a post/fence/tree or something.

just to add logs on the fire…………wasn’t blyden a “west indies native”
does this look anything like the circles ?
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt … CBgQ9QEwAw

Yes, superficially it looks like the circles, but then so does a bicycle wheel, a coffee cup seen from above, or the inside of a top hat. In other words, who would see the stairs from that angle unless you were trying to capture that very picture?  It’s not exactly a common sight or a visual marker that would be used as a mapping tool.

Edwin and Edwina named after him
What’s the verdict and why?
A) Edwin Booth
B) Edwin Harleston
C) Edward Blyden

Unknown

Unknown:
What’s the verdict and why?

I choose C. Because harpsicords are not harps.

erexere

Edwin and Edwina named after him
What’s the verdict and why?
A) Edwin Booth
B) Edwin Harleston
C) Edward Blyden

A wise man, whom I’ve kicked in the balls a few times, once told me that people are mistaking the lack of progress for a lack of understanding. The answer to your question is self-resolved when one first answers the question, “Which verse goes with which city?”

Freedom at the birth of a century
Hasnt this line always been bothersome? The timeline of American history doesnt have any major transitions that fit well like the example of Lincoln’s abolishment of slavery in 1865. Birth of a century would seem to apply best to a year like 1801, the first year of a new century. (or 1800, however you technically look at first year after the zero).
Denmark Vesey seemed like a good candidate for this line, given he stopped being a slave in 1799 and lived in Charleston where this verse is favored, but this is just one person gaining their freedom. While looking for a better cultural example of freedom around that same time I discovered the people of the island of Hispaniola, early Haiti and Dominican Republic were freed in 1801 by a successful slave revolt and the drafting of a constitution abolishing slavery. The interesting character at the head of this coup d’etat was Toussaint Louverture. Eventually captured by Napoleon’s men, he famously warned his captors that the rebels would not repeat his mistake:
“In overthrowing me you have cut down in Saint Domingue only the trunk of the tree of liberty; it will spring up again from the roots, for they are numerous and they are deep.”
This quote somewhat syncs with the African tree spirit stories where those fair folk feared their tree being cut down and harvested for their wood. From the perspective of these fair folk and even Denmark Vesey, the happenings in the distant Caribbean might be an inspiration.
Unfortunately Vesey’s revolt in 1822 failed, but the drums played on.

YEs the Edwin and Edwuna line will have to be researched closely. I will be looking at the verse closer soon to try to figure the park and city confirmers within it.

Interesting I did some research on the Checkardome as well and found it further indicates the likelyhood of Forest Park being the location. I will post more on the STL Compilation thread soon.

I am sorry… I still just don’t get S.L. out of this V, especially with the quote from ‘Abroad in America’ seeming to lead us to Charleston.  With the major inroads made these past few days after linking V2 to N.O., I think we could also be doing the same thing here instead of trying to force fit it elsewhere…

JamesV

I guess I should clarify this idea a little, since I doubt Preiss would have seriously expected people to do a massive amount of research in order to solve these puzzles back in 1982.

………………..ok
That’s a great idea, your thinking enlighten me! I believe that’s exact what Preiss was thinking, that’s why he titled the book “The Secret”, because he doesn’t want people to know, or do any kind of research deep into history and stuffs. He just wanted to sell books. And after reading the Verse again at your perspective, I completely agree with you now, the first 5 lines and the birth of century is all about China, and Edwin & Edwina are of course Chinese names without any research, the next line is referring the Great Oct 8th of SF, Chinatown police station was built around that time. What’s between the arms is obviously the Winged Dragon, Bar that binds is the famous Golden Dragon Restaurant combines a restaurant and at night it’s a bar. And it’s right below Coit Tower ( Long Palm’s shadow), the casque was buried under the sand, waiting for us to find, in the closeby Washington Square.
and look, sand~, that’s it , right there!

why are so many people confused about where i dug? i dug in the TRIANGLE SHAPED SAND GARDEN BESIDE THE FORT SUMTER ASSOCIATION BUILDING WHICH IS LOCATED ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SW CORNER OF WHITE POINT GARDENS…WITH THE SOUTH BATTERY BEING LOCATED ACROSS THE STREET TO THE SOUTH. just to clarify. lol
this IS the endpoint of the treasure hunt, without question.

that building is of note cause its where JFK got honeypotted XD

Spiritr

I like how you alter the Verse and history by making this “turn” at the birth of the century, or May 1913. And enforcing these lines to the Republic of China (Taiwan).

I guess I should clarify this idea a little, since I doubt Preiss would have seriously expected people to do a massive amount of research in order to solve these puzzles back in 1982. If we can accept the *theory* that the first five lines of V6 are all just indicators for the RL Stevenson monument in Portsmouth Square, then it’s entirely possible that “Freedom at the birth of a century / Or May 1913” could just mean “China,” point the way through Chinatown.

Are you noticed? there is a lot of gazebos over this hunt… some of possible locations had one.

Or May 1913
Edwin and Edwina named after him
Or on the eighth a scene
Where law defended
The William Jay Gaynor memorial in New York’s Cadman Plaza has “Or May…1913” on the front…
…and “lawyer/defender” on the back…
(The area has a “Sand” St., a “Water” St., and the Manhattan Bridge, which carries the Audrey Munson statue I once suggested for image 12.)
The idea for Cadman’s Brooklyn War Memorial was hatched by the
Brooklyn Eagle
.

I was browsing May 1913 issues of
The San Francisco Call
and found a SF (and St. Mary’s Square) connection with The White House. Apparently it was a big department store back in the day.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/army_arch/2740913105/
That’s at the corner of Sutter and Grant (now ‘The White House’ parking garage), 3 blocks south of St. Mary’s.

Nice find ChunkTug. (That’s still visible.)
Welcome to
The Secret
…
My current favourite for this verse is Image 1. Goldengate Park is pretty convincing for that image, though I also like all the things in the St Mary’s Square area which seem to tie in with this verse, with a possible trail to SF’s Lafayette Park. (See last two posts on
this page
.)
There’s also a link with Charleston (Image 2) you might have come across while browsing these threads, “Edwin and Edwina named after him” appearing in “Abroad in America” (also identified as the source of a quote in a different verse) and referring to Edward Blyden’s stay there…though Charleston seems to go well with V5. (There’s a cool “May 1913” sign in Charleston’s White Point Gardens – see P27 of this thread.)
I don’t know what most other folks make of this verse at the moment. It’s definitely one of the grey areas.
If you wanted to get from RLS to GGP, the simplest route would be down Clay from the statue at Portsmouth Square Plaza near St Mary’s, right to the end, then turn down Arguello Blvd, entering GGP via the Arguello Gate. (Leaves / spirals…?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Antonio_Arg%C3%BCello
This part of GGP isn’t far from the tennis courts.
Or on the eighth a scene
Where law defended
Eighth court? Laws are defended there. (Ties in with the curious “long palm” and its possible connection to “longue paume”.)
(In the case of the Lafayette Park courts, the “eigth” might be “Octavia”.)

So I know this discussion has moved to NYC, but I wanted to share something I found, and see what anyone thought. Most of my current research was started with jstarr’s theory in Washington Square (in Charleston).
One of the lines in V6…I was never completely sold on anything that clicked for “freedom at the birth of a century”, especially here in Charleston. I was researching Blyden, and came upon Denmark Vesey. From Wikipedia:
“Denmark Vesey, originally Telemaque,[citation needed] (1767 – July 2, 1822) was an African-American man who was most famous for planning a slave rebellion in the United States in 1822. He was enslaved in South Carolina. After purchasing his freedom, he planned an extensive slave rebellion. Word of the plans was leaked, and authorities arrested the plot’s leaders at Charleston, South Carolina, before the uprising could begin. Vesey and others were convicted and executed.
Many antislavery activists came to regard Vesey as a hero. During the American Civil War, abolitionist Frederick Douglass used Vesey’s name as a battle cry[clarification needed] to rally African-American regiments, especially the 54th Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry.[citation needed]
Although it was almost certainly not Vesey’s actual home,[1] the Denmark Vesey House at Charleston was named a National Historic Landmark in 1976.”
In a paper about Blyden, Vesey was compared to Blyden, and this was listed:
“By
January 1800 Denmark had purchased his freedom
for $600 from a $1,500 prize in the East Bay Lottery and had become a carpenter. Joining a community of about 1,000 free Blacks that was located in an area with a much larger slaveholding population, Denmark Vesey’s quasi-free experience of everyday life in Charleston was presumably similar to that of other so-called free Blacks.”
To me, this was a HEAVY Charleston reference, WITH the cultural theme, AND he literally became free in January of 1800. I’m going to go to several buildings downtown as soon as I get the chance to see if there is (or was) any kind of Vesey references. I’ve been talking to someone at either the public library or the CoC about references such as these, and he seemed to think there was a Vesey reference in city hall, so this would put it right on Washington Square.
What do you guys think?

Re: Cooper of the wind and wave.
The Pilot: A Tale of the Sea, was James Fenimore Cooper’s first seafaring novel. I think this meshes better in the context of the “To the hesitating purchaser” intro of Treasure Island which also mentions another writer of tales, Robert Ballantyne, who wrote The Coral Island: A Tale of the Pacific Ocean.

Wicket

It seem that Edwin and Edwina have not been nailed down, or some kind of consensus.
The etymology of Edwin is rich friend. So maybe one of the connections has a rich person involved.

I think there are two leading contenders:
1) SF- Edwin being Edwin Booth (or Edwin Forest)
2) Charleston- Edward Blyden
Either is very possible. I think it really comes down to which location and verses you feel match better. I like SF location because of the RLS reference and the connections to the Lafayette Park location.

https://1drv.ms/b/s!An5iiS4FlLlEgzEbfiiffjLsNi7v
I have no opinion as to what verse goes where because I haven’t studied them all but…..
The above picture shows a long oar. An oar is referred to as a palm. Shadow of long palm…….

Wicket

Before I have posted I wanted everyone to know that I did not read all 52 pages of this forum but have used the search feature to see if my post has been put forth previously. I did not find that my thought is redundant.
The line – Harken to the words
Harken refers to 3 different people. Preiss’ daughter Karah. His wife Sandi MENdelson. And Felix Mendelssohn, a German composer, pianist, Organist, whose
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festgesang
A hymn tune, is what the words of Hark the Herald Angels Sing was put to.
So maybe the line is a shout out to his wife and daughter and the words are German?

youd have found it if they didn’t keep deleting my shit.
it refers to the docment “harken to the words of a patriot, 1840” which you can find on the Duke website….the clue you deduce from this is the EIGHTH…a reference to the eighth relating to the pirate monument in the later clue (as that incident occurred on the 8th).

already solved this went there and dug spot in painting (triangle sandbox (rock garden) marked by palm trees shadow at 4pm)…which is beside the Fort Sumter Association Building bw the sundial and cannon (two arms extended, one the sundial’s shadow, the other the cannon) UNDER the protection of the south battery wall (below the bar that binds water via Bitaro clue)…this one is played…casque is gone.

The double yellow lines running down the road…
I’m starting to like this place.
Men of tales and tunes
…just noticed Conan Doyle and Robert Louis Stevenson knew each other…
http://www.robert-louis-stevenson.org/l … onan-doyle
Or on the eighth a scene
Where law defended
The entrance with the palms is opposite
Oct
avia. I suppose Holmes might be the defender of the law. (Incidentally Conan Doyle campaigned against slavery.)
Those cables are part of the
Clay St Hill Railroad.
Andrew Smith Hallidie, cable car tsar…Robert Louis Stevenson…Arthur Conan Doyle…all
Scottish
.
Time to dig out the field guide.  😉
“An important part of cable car operations is the cable car bells…”

Unknown

Unknown:
For many years native San Franciscans, transplants, and tourists have been pleased and surprised to spot a polished brass plaque on a beautiful little graystone building on Sacramento across from Lafayette Park that reads: “This house, built in 1881, was once occupied by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.”

…just been listening to a 50-minute podcast about the history of Lafayette Park here…
http://www.sparkletack.com/2007/06/22/6 … ette-park/
Here’s a few fragments of trivia which I’ll jot down while I remember them.
I think the “White House” at the park (the St Regis Apartments at 1925 Gough) came into the hands of
Bob Lurie
at some point, or there was some connection with him…son of Louis Lurie.
http://www.parkscan.org/parks?parkId=24
The palms at the entrance are
Canary Island Palms
. There’s speculation that they may have come from the
Panama-Pacific International Exposition
which seemed to feature a lot of them.
At one time William Randolph Hearst purchased a Spanish mansion with the aim of rebuilding it somewhere else…parts of it were apparently stashed near Goldengate’s Japanese Tea Garden and some of these were appropriated for Lafayette.
My fave date 1881 (image 4) crops up again…
(Not true though apparently – he just visited his friend the renowned quack Dr Albert Abrams there…)
(Clock is at 6 = 18.00. Eighteen squares on the adjacent cuff. Interpretation of 1881 for image 4 was 81 forwards and backwards…could say the same about 18. Note that June – 6th month – is a reference to
Juneteenth
.)
http://www.sfweekly.com/bestof/2008/awa … t-1033088/
It’s right by the park, near those palms at the entrance. Apart from Sherlock Holmes, Arthur Conan Doyle is also associated with fairy-spotting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cottingley_Fairies
(This pole is just opposite the plaque. Maybe it could be a marker for a spot by the verge in the same way as the lamppost I suggested for Montreal. Bit conspicuous perhaps. I like the plaque though. I’ll be keeping an eye out for Sherlock links. He published a
book
in May 1913 but I can’t see much relevance in it yet.)

View from the plaque:
Below the bar that binds
Beside the long palm’s shadow
Embedded in the sand
Waits the Fair remuneration
White house close at hand.
(Plaque and rose-scroll circled)

I’d like to know if the Village Museum contained any work or perspective on the artist Edwin Harleston.
The more I think about it, I see that line “Edwin and Edwina named after him” as meaning Edwin (father) and Edwina (daughter) named after him (her father).
My guess is the line references the artist not for his art specifically but for his link to a family funeral home, which might be needed to focus on the site of the Keeper’s wife’s grave.  Perhaps it was just represented by a simple wooden cross in the distance.  Perhaps that’s why there’s a cross on the left side of image 2.

“Seen by eyes of old”
Thats a strange line given that the older eyes get, the more likely they might progress towards blindness. Could be this is only a way of saying a story or event occurred long ago, as in those buccaneering days.
“Where law defended”
Police are sometimes referred to as “the Law”. The verb “police” includes meanings “to guard or defend”.
When I consider the April 8th murder story, that does include an investigation by the police in which they resolved the case as a suicide. It was later discovered to be a murder when Andrew Johnson confessed on his death bed.
That name Andrew Johnson still sparks in my mind as something Byron Preiss would certainly think “hey, thats the same name as President Lincoln’s Vice President!” How weird is that? I imagine he learned it from some magazine article or Lighthouse Boat Tour tourguide.

the puzzle is meant to do both.
take you to the treasure AND teach you about the area in incredible detail!!!

Why is everyone so focused on the hanging of the pirates, which has questionable dates?

catherwood

I like the recent focus on just this one line, “Or on the eighth a scene” and the possible meanings. The word ‘
scene
‘ really is a deliberate choice, but why?

The scene of a crime?

why are the dates questionable???…we know the main guy was hung on the 10th and that his crew were hung from the trees and buried off the point, in the marsh, 2 days prior (the 8th)…which is the exact date reinforced by the earlier clue given at the Hunley Monument via the Harken to the words clue.
This obviously takes us to the Pirate Monument in the context of the Treasure Hunt.

that works too

this tangent has led me to 2 different riots/occupations…so good! love this puzzle. love that Preiss incorporated such things into the design (like with the occupation of Alcatraz in SF)!!!
those late 60’s were a helluva time…

anus905

why are the dates questionable???…we know the main guy was hung on the 10th and that his crew were hung from the trees and buried off the point, in the marsh, 2 days prior (the 8th)…which is the exact date reinforced by the earlier clue given at the Hunley Monument via the Harken to the words clue.
This obviously takes us to the Pirate Monument in the context of the Treasure Hunt.

The crew were hung on November 8, 1718 and Stede Bonnet was hung on December 10, 1718, a month later. In the historical record, I see no connection to the law defending the actions of the hanging of the first 24 men, unless you consider the trial to take that meaning. It is a curious choice of phrasing if you believe this.
I think the pirate connection is decent, and possibly has the intended effect of pointing to WPG, as does the capstan, but quite possibly a red herring.
I don’t like the generic “eighth” as being a date, it is too arbitrary. If we look at important events in Charleston history, any number of events that happened on an 8th could be equally or more important.
https://markjonesbooks.com/today-in-charleston-history/
For example, also on November 8 (1827), Edgar Allan Poe arrived at Fort Moultrie.
Or perhaps, on July 8, 1903 the Board of Park Commissioners approved the name of the new park on the site of the Exposition. It was to be named in honor of Wade Hampton, former Civil War general and South Carolina governor.
There are many examples of how it is possible to assign a date.
In my previous post, you have both the eighth ballot and a mob scene, connected to a Mayoral election for people that were directly connected to events that shaped the city and the park where I believe the casque to be located. The pirate narrative only puts you in Charleston in general. The plaque at the site only says Autumn of 1718, and why would we place more importance on the crew than Bonnet himself?

Completely agree, though would have to say that this stuff about a ballot makes no sense to me at all.

WhiteRabbit

Completely agree, though would have to say that this stuff about a ballot makes no sense to me at all.

I’m pretty sure I posted my potential solve here. It’s all in the 2nd revision. If not, I can post it again.

I shouldn’t, you’ll probably get a bollocking from Drunknerds.

WhiteRabbit

I shouldn’t, you’ll probably get a bollocking from Drunknerds.

He’s already given me crap….erhm, uh…. his thoughts on it…lol.

Hey, we can unite against the pirates anyways…

@GMAN…consider what I said “in relation to the treasure hunt”…it is not only likely, but probable, there is at least 1 more reading of the 8th clue that applies to the greater puzzle (just not the treasure hunt itself)…in the context of the treasure hunt…its the pirate monument. (“faeries clues come in twos”, remember
)
also, keep in mind that Bonnet was SUPPOSED to be hung 2 days after (upon the conclusion of his trial) his crew (which were killed as an example, to any other wold be pirates, who might be thinking of attempting to sack Charleston)…thus, they were using the law (justified capital punishment) to defend the city (against any future attacks).
however, he managed to stave off execution seven times before they successfully managed to hang him.

the crew is of more importance because it was there bodies that were buried off the point in the marshes.
the same marshes that were then used to build the South Battery Wall, which allowed them to build all the fancy ass mansions to the W of WPG.
this is marked by a plaque on the S Battery Wall W of WPG.

this, in turn, relates back to the “Bar that binds” clue, as via said clue, we discern that the bar binds “water” (via literary connection to book on bunyaro kitaro); which, when combined with the FS pendant clues; allows to discern the FSAB is the white building in question, from the verse.

anus905

the crew is of more importance because it was there bodies that were buried off the point in the marshes.
the same marshes that were then used to build the South Battery Wall, which allowed them to build all the fancy ass mansions to the W of WPG.
this is marked by a plaque on the S Battery Wall W of WPG.

I’m not buying it. The clues are supposed to lead us to a casque, not just random knowledge of the area.
Also, if you MUST post, could you please post everything in one shot instead of 4 posts in a row to respond? Thanks.

Here is my potential solve for the Charleston puzzle, 2nd Revision.
Mr. Seabass brought up a good point, even if his messages can be gruff, that why reference the Pearman Bridge at all, since we know we are in Charleston? The bridge is important to connect us to the Grace bridge which ran alongside of the Pearman. Grace as in Mayor John P. Grace.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rzes6zr0cz0q0 … 2.pdf?dl=0

thought i would walk from GG pk,to the Ghirardelli sign ,and see what i can see
mostly i went,by the google dir it is 2.8 mi
took a detour over to new century and the sgt pk
http://tinyurl.com/6aqfqwn
Ghirardelli sign, the G & h backwards
from bay and larkin,at russian hill pk
http://tinyurl.com/67xr33s
how does the dir go again, a right a left,and a right ?
http://tinyurl.com/628prhl
slappy youll love these links
walking through GG PK Virtual Walking Tours
http://www.virtuar.com/ysf2/golden_gate_park.htm
San Francisco web site Index Virtual Walking Tours
http://www.virtuar.com/ysf2/search.htm
i dont think its here,i just have fond memories of buena vista park sf
back in the day, if you couldnt catch a bed or floor,this was ok, its
in the haight hood
http://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/M-oyI3PM … VgGjzDDcyA

Unknown

Unknown:
The San Francisco Juneteenth Festival is the oldest and largest Juneteenth Celebration outside of Texas where Juneteenth originated. On June 19, 1865, Union General Gordon Granger issued General Order No. 3 in Galveston, Texas declaring that slavery was illegal. This was almost two and a half years after President Abraham Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation (Jan. 1863) and four months after the passage of the Thirteenth Amendment which abolished slavery, but the proclamations had been meaningless until Union forces actually occupied rebel territory.

Quick recap. I figure Image 1 takes you to the intersection of Lincoln Way and 48th Ave as described
here
. After kicking this verse all round town, I ended up at the same spot.
Of all the romance retold
Men of tales and tunes
Cruel and bold
Seen here
By eyes of old
Stevenson plaque, 608 Bush St
Stand and listen to the birds
Hear the cool, clear song of water
Harken to the words:
Hitchcock’s “The Birds” was filmed at Union Square.
The song is the Beach Boys’
Cool cool water
, “Drink a little drip drip drip drip drink a little” etc – the drinking fountain at Union Square.
Freedom at the birth of a century
This concerns Juneteenth and the Emancipation Proclamantion, June being the month for this image.
Or May 1913
Edwin and Edwina named after him
More Union stuff…50th Anniversary of the Emancipation Proclamation, but also the foundation of the Actor’s union “Equity” which involved Edwin Booth, whose plaque is near Stevenson’s. (Union Square was named for the Union rallies.)
Or on the eighth a scene
Where law defended
Eight streets away, the New Century cinema and Sargeant Macaulay Park. (Park not dated, but the cinema was there, and I can live without the sarge.)
Between two arms extended
Below the bar that binds
Beside the long palm’s shadow
Embedded in the sand
Waits the Fair remuneration
White house close at hand.
Continue to the end of Geary, named for SF’s first Mayor, and head across GG Park to the aforementioned intersection and the sign for the beach. Could read the “long palm” as palm beach, “embedded in the sand” as below the sign for the beach, “Fair remuneration” as a flashback to Equity (quote from handbook), white house as a white house that’s opposite, the two arms as the road and the path by the sign, the bar as Geary. Parts of this could also be interpreted as a description of the relevant part of the image.

or a bannister

maltedfalcon

or a bannister

are you welcoming the idea that Preiss uses even more extreme word play?  Barrister / Bannister?  Or safety rail just = bannister?

neither just noting the word you were looking for was bannister.

JamesV

Giving this post a quick bump after some chats with WhiteRabbit, in the hopes that it might prompt one of our San Francisco-based hunters with an open mind to look into a possible I1/V6 pairing. Having never personally been to SF it’s hard to judge from Google Maps, but it looks as if all of these landmarks noted are visible within a 1/2-mile walk through Chinatown.
My only contribution (so far) is that whole “Freedom at the birth of a century / Or May 1913” bit…could it be a reference to the Boxer Rebellion at the end of the Qing dynasty,1899-1901, and then the formation of the Republic of China between 1912-13? Interesting to note than Sun Yet-sen, pictured in the statue that WhiteRabbit dug up from St. Mary’s Park, is also known as the “father of the nation”. I also learned that he traveled back and forth between China and San Francisco somewhat regularly.
It was a little challenging for me to search for images online since I don’t know the area, but maybe a sharper set of eyes can find some sort of plaque or historical marker around here which reads “May 1913.”

JamesV

Quick follow-up to the previous post on St.Mary’s square…apparently there’s also a “White House” right across the street from the statue that WhiteRabbit found. It looks to be a public parking garage now, but it’s apparently also some kind of historic SF landmark which might further suggest an I1/V6 pairing. Link:
http://thewhitehousegaragesf.com
Also: just learned that Title 8 of the US code deals with the role of aliens and nationality in the United States, and Chapter 8 of this code specifically deals with Chinese immigrants. No joke…this is officially titled as “The Cooly Trade”.
Link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_8_o … tates_Code
Could the Chinese Exclusion Act, enacted in 1882 and repealed in 1943, possible be the inspiration for the couplet “Or on the eighth a scene / Where law defended”? Again, unsure if there’s any historical markers or similar nearby, but it seems to fit well with both I1 and the immigration theme.
Also interesting: The adjacent park from St. Mary’s, the Union Square shopping area, was built up over a sand dune… (Link:
http://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/arti … 731306.php
)

Originally posted this in the Image 1 thread yesterday, cross-posting to the Verse 6 thread for future reference:

Some intresting thoughts indeed regarding Grammercy Park in New York City. However it has to be taken into consideration that Grammercy Park is a private park, and is not open to the general public.  Residents in the 39 buildings facing the park have to pay an annual fee to rent a key, and only they have exclusive use of the park. This is as true today as it was in 1981.Thus it seems unlikely that a casque could be buried in the park, even though some of the clues in verse 6 seem very tantalizing.

Think I must concur with Kato

Although I was hopeful for your find Caesar, I was wondering about Edwin Forrest (Warner is the real name). Wasn’t the verse really talking about him?  “Edwin and Edwina (Booth) named after him”. Do you read into it differently?

Still going for V5, but I think I may have found something useful here.  There used to be a statue of Edwin Forrest at the Forrest mansion in Philly but was bought by Historical Society Of Philadelphia soon after his death.  They are located on Locust Street. Not a park, but I’ve e-mailed someone who runs The Edwin Forrest Fund (
[email protected]
) trying to locate where this statue is displayed.  Long shot, but maybe a direction to go.
Edit:  here’s something more interesting.  On July 8, 1776, (on the eighth a scene),hundreds of  people in Philly gathered for the first public reading of the Declaration Of Independence at Independence Square.  It was cheered by the masses and the Liberty Bell was ringing.
http://www.birthdayexpress.com/bexpress … nceDay.asp

jeep_jeep_nc82

funny should would mention Edwin Stanton, the name that organized the hunt for John Booth… and John’s brother Edwin, names his daughter Edwin, and he was named after Edwin Forrest, a shakspearian actor, …but who knows…

Huh, I wasn’t aware of the Stanton/Booth connection. Weird, especially considering WhiteRabbit’s observation about Edwin Booth’s name on the side of the old California Theater at 444 Bush Street… also right around the corner from Grant Ave.

Well, booth’s could be the “named after ..even though Edwin booth was named after Edwin Forrest, and Ewdina was named after Edwin booth,..Edwina had a son whom she named Edwin after her father.

My take on this verse is that its near, around or in central park (despite what Preiss said).
Too many coincidences in this interpretation, I do believe Im on to something.
The first few verses describes the theater. With the words May 1913 & Edwin and Edwina I do believe he is referring to the booth theater. Booth theater named after the brother of john booth who had a daughter edwina.
Booth theater is in the middle of the theater district and runs to 8th st.
“or on the eigth a scene where law defended.”
Cravath, Swaine & Moore is a big lawfirm that has been arond for a while. Their building is hard to miss.
Between two arms extended
Below the bar that binds
Beside the long palms shadow
The monument to the USS Maine has two arms extended (dedicated May 1913)
The Columbus circle statue has anchors
The Grand Army Plaza has a long palm in her hand
White House close at hand
There was a building just south of central park called the white house. There is also The Plaza hotel in brilliant white.

It’s. Not. In. Central. Park.

I dont remember anything like that in Whitepoint—i’ll check my notes.

thanks
(hope you also saw my ‘fair remuneration’ post at the bottom of the previous page)
which is the 8th monument on the line through the park you describe?  does it have any relief scenes on it?

Of all the romance retold = of the types of mating calls that birds do (drumming)
Men of tales and tunes = RLS type hints of an island treasure, “tunes” supports drum theme
Cruel and bold
Seen here
By eyes of old
Stand and listen to the birds
Hear the cool, clear song of water = rain drops percussion
Harken to the words: = listen to a leader
Freedom at the birth of a century = consider the freeing of slaves
Or May 1913 = birth of 20th President of Liberia, Tolbert, grandson of freeslave parents emmigrated from S.C. in 1878
Edwin and Edwina named after him = Blyden’s children names as example of a type of succession
Or on the eighth a scene = S.C. is the 8th state and the scene is set at Sumter during an act of succession from the Union
Where law defended
Between two arms extended
Below the bar that binds
Beside the long palm’s shadow
Embedded in the sand
Waits the Fair remuneration
White house close at hand. = the role of Vice President
Im trying to highlight the primary factors and how they come together. The painting brings the other necessary elements together. Once we consider the idea of a drum from the bird reference, and the idea of an island from RLS, then we encounter parts that identify the beginning of the Civil War and resulting exodus of free slaves to Liberia. Theres a strong reference to drumming in the African tribal theme alone. (See Fair Peoples Emigration for clues). We then take the references of the President and Vice President to relate our President Lincoln, the cruel and bold event of his assassination during a musical story (tales and tunes), to the succession of power to his VP Andrew Johnson. What is required is identifying the difficult to access information about the history of the Keeper at Cape Romain also named Andrew Johnson.

So I just read your whole post but I am not clear on where you are saying it leads to.
Charleston? Fort Sumter or one of the outer islands?
or somewhere else?

it leads to the water cistern at the Lighthouse for the keeper named Andrew Johnson stationed in Cape Romaina remote island in the Charleston vicinity. The story about hidden treasure being buried on that island is a potential highlight. Book sources or word of mouth sources remain to be proven in terms of how obscure or accessible this reference may be.
Im curious about the NY Times article on Tolbert April 12th/13th of 1980. Still waiting on my subscription.

I have found “the bar that binds”.
Here is a quote from Don Quixote, in a passage where he is helping to dislodge a boat that is stuck on a sand bar:
“Well spoken, child. My knowledge of books is of their contents, not the ink and leather of which they are formed. But that book which you hold has more than passing interest for it may be about the unconquered knight of whom I have heard so much and read so little. Now let me tell you how your boat shall be released from the bar that binds.”
Since this quote refers to a ship stuck on sand bar, and the front of the USS Maine Monument is the prow of a ship and the back is in sand, I think this is further proof that the USS Maine Monument is the place to be.
We have already established that Byron Preiss was well versed in literature and liked to use literary references to describe places. So it is even more probable that finding this quote in a piece of literature has significance, rather than my initial interpretation that it referred to the plaque on the monument “binding” this monument to other USS Maine monuments.
So my revised solution to Verse #6 looks like this:
Verse #6
Of all the romance retold
Men of tales and tunes
Cruel and bold
Seen here
Refers to Broadway Musicals in New York City. Start someplace on Broadway
By eyes of old
I’ll get back to this one. It becomes clear later in the verse.
Stand and listen to the birds
Lots of pigeons on statues. There is a monument in the center of Columbus Circle, where Broadway intersects 8th Avenue and 59th Street. (That is not the correct place. But it is on the way, so lets go there first to work it out and see if the solution becomes more obvious.)
Hear the cool, clear song of water.
Oops, no fountain at the monument on Columbus Circle. But what is that right across the street at the southwest entrance to Central Park? A monument with fountains on it? Yes! Let’s cross the street and look at the USS Maine National Monument. To link it with the picture representing New York (Image #12), look in the wave just to the right of the crest and foam, I think you can see a horse’s head. It could look like one of these guys at the top of the Monument:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uS8W-5IYD7Q/T … C-001b.jpg
Harken to the words:
Freedom at the birth of a century
The USS Maine explosion occurred February 15, 1898. Pretty close to the turn of a century.
Another solution I am still working on: There is a book of old photographs from the early 1900’s by William Henry Jackson called “The Birth of a Century” It was published in 1994 (after The Secret was written), but I need to track down the book and see if one of the pictures in it was also captioned as “The Birth of a Century,” from which the book then derived its name. If so, that photograph may hold a clue.
Or May 1913
The USS Maine National Monument was dedicated May 30, 1913
Edwin and Edwina named after him
This is a quote from the book “Abroad in America” about someone named Edward Blyden. But I think BP uses literary references to get you to a meaning – in this case, we are talking about someone named Edward – without requiring that the meaning be exactly the same as the meaning of the original quote. (For example, the Herman Melville quote in the Houston verse to get you to Hermann Park) So in this case, the quote refers to the building at 2 Columbus Circle designed by the famous architect EDWARD Durrell Stone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_Columbus_Circle
We are still in the right place.
Or on the eighth a scene
Where are we again? The intersection of Broadway, with EIGHTH Avenue and 59th Street. We are still in the right place.
Now I will explain “By eyes of old”: One side of the USS Maine National Monument has a young figure representing the Pacific Ocean (discovered later), the other side has an old figure, representing the Atlantic Ocean (known to European explorers first). The verse is indicating to go toward the side of the monument with the older figure.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-s0uoyFdHx24/T … C-051b.jpg
Where law defended
Between two arms extended
Now here is where it gets tricky. There are actually 3 figures on this monument who have two arms extended. In the front are a young boy named Victory and a woman named Courage. In the back is a woman named Justice. Justice is more likely to be a defender of law. Also, old Atlantic Ocean is looking backwards at Justice, not forwards towards Victory and Courage. So Justice is seen here by eyes of old.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QsoMLAftHM8/T … aine+2.jpg
Below the bar that binds
NEW SOLUTION: Here is a quote from Don Quixote, in a passage where he is helping to dislodge a boat that is stuck on a sand bar:
“Well spoken, child. My knowledge of books is of their contents, not the ink and leather of which they are formed. But that book which you hold has more than passing interest for it may be about the unconquered knight of whom I have heard so much and read so little. Now let me tell you how your boat shall be released from the bar that binds.”
We have already established that Byron Preiss was well versed in literature and liked to use literary references to describe places. Since this quote refers to a ship stuck on sand bar, and the front of the USS Maine Monument is the prow of a ship and the back is in sand (demonstrated later in this solution), I think this is further proof that the USS Maine Monument is the place to be.
OLD SOLUTION: There is a plaque is on the monument between the old Atlantic Ocean figure and the rear facing Justice. Several copies of this plaque were stamped out and affixed to several USS Maine memorials across the country. This is a metal bar that binds all the USS Maine monuments together.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … 111%29.JPG
You can see where the plaque is positioned on the monument by doing Google Maps Street View at the coordinates: 40.768326, -73.980871
(By the way, the Google Maps Coordinates for this location is: 40.768326, -73.980871 That is pretty darned close to the coordinates of 41, 74 indicated by Image #12)
Beside the long palm’s shadow
Justice has her right hand partially clenched and her left hand more open. Her left/our right is the long palm. That is the side closer to the old Atlantic Ocean figure, and to the plaque too. So it all fits. Alternatively, the leaf on the plaque is a long palm leaf and may be the long palm. Either way, we want to know what is below that plaque.
What about the figures with outstretched arms in front? Victory has both hands clenched. Courage has both hands open. The phrase long palm does not distinguish which side to dig on, if you are looking at the front figures.
Embedded in the sand
Now here is the clincher. Go back to the Street View on Google Maps at coordinates 40.768326, -73.980871 and look down.
What do you know?? They made a sandy spot at the rear of the monument instead of having the marble sidewalks go all the way around!!!!
So the ship is on a sand bar that binds AND the treasure is embedded in the sand. It all fits.
Waits the Fair remuneration
Here is where the prize is. Dig in the sand behind the USS Maine Monument. Possible locations are under the plaque in between Justice and the Atlantic Ocean, or in between the 2 outstretched hands of Justice.
White house close at hand.
A distractor to make you think of Washington DC. The building 262 Central Park West is also known as the White House. We are at the southwest corner of Central Park, not too far from the building.
And again for the Nay-Sayers: The monument is technically at Merchant’s Gate, just outside Central Park. It is not IN Central Park, so BP’s email that the treasure is not in Central Park does not disprove this location.

The passage you quote appears to be from a piece of
fan fiction
called “Sailing Ships,” not from
Don Quixote
.

Oops. I thought that site was quoting a passage from the book.
I did not realize it was new fan-fiction that was not part of the book.

I’ve been trying to shoe-horn this verse into matching Forest Park in St. Louis with the help of Johann’s local expertise and have come to the conclusion that the links just aren’t very strong.  Here’s a quick dissemination that might foster better results in another city:
“Of all the romance retold
Men of tales and tunes
Cruel and bold
Seen here
By eyes of old”
The treasure island link is a good one, at least with the first two lines.  I read this as a reference to a monument or statue to sailors which I linked to the Confederate Memorial (to soldiers and sailors) in Forest Park.  However, the lines cruel and bold seem to specifically address pirates.
“Stand and listen to the birds
Hear the cool clear song of water”
The 1904 flight cage and the World’s Fair Pavillion fountain are located near each other, but you could make these lines work any number of places.
“Harken to the words:
Freedom at the birth of a century”
While the 1904 World’s Fair was the centennial of Louisianna Purchase, it has never really struck me as a good example of “freedom.”  Although I may just not know enough about the history.  In St. Louis alone, there are two parks that were founded 100 years after the signing of the Declaration of Independence.  Surely, there must be a great number of them across the country.
“Or May 1913”
The Jefferson Memorial Building in Forest Park was dedicated on April 30, 1913.  While this is only one day off from the start of May, there don’t seem to be any major dedications specifically in that month.
“Edwin and Edwina named after him”
Forrest/Forest of course…
“Or on the eighth a scene
Where law defended”
The only good thing I could come up with regarding St. Louis would involve the Dred Scott case but again, no major references in the park.  And no real matching dates regarding either the 8th or August.  Also, no set of reliefs or carvings with at least eight.
“Between two arms extended
Below the bar that binds
Beside the long palm’s shadow”
The Confederate Memorial depicts a family sending their son off to war.  Above it is a carving of the Angel of the Confederacy.  A blurry picture raised my hopes, but a close examination proved there to be no two arms extended outward, no binding bar, and no hand far enough out to cast a shadow.  Although there were palm trees in the background of the family scene.
“Embedded in the sand”
Unless this is some play on words, there isn’t any real sand in Forest Park near monuments or statues.
“Waits the Fair remuneration”
Reference to the Muny in Forest Park possibly?
“White House close at hand”
The Cabanne House was the original parkkeeper’s residence and does appear white in some pictures.  It is located near the Confederate Memorial, but then again there are lots of white houses, lots of parks, lots of cities, and lots of ways to make clues fit a specific place.
This is an aggregate of various ideas posted in the thread and in correspondence with Johann.  Please don’t be offended if points are not credited by name.  I know that 99% of you people here have read this entire thread hundreds of times and everyone is well aware of who posted what first.  I’d love to hear some feedback regarding St. Louis or other cities regarding some of these points.

Another quick note:
After working with this verse, I would tend to agree with fox that this verse smacks of a coastal place.  Tossing out the Citadel reference in another verse, candidates would include Florida, North Carolina (EDIT: althought I suppose this one already has a verse but is lacking a picture), Charleston, and New Orleans.
I think there be pirates about, matey.  Avast, arrgh, ahem…
In admiring your work with the Charleston image, I read just a few historical tidbits that could be a long stretch.  Apparently Blackbeard the pirate was a fixture in both Charleston and North Carolina.  While he looted the coast of Charleston and took hostages, he made friends with the governor of North Carolina and was pardoned.  Could there be some monument or memorial to pirates or Blackbeard specifically?
Also, Blackbeard name was Edward Teach.    Where was he buried?  Did he live in the Carolinas for long?  Did he have any kids?
Edward, Edwin, Edwina?  Shrug…

Here is how I think this verse fits Forest Park:
The first 5 lines illude to the art museum that can be seen from the Pagoda Circle area. This could also be talking about a band stand or prehaps both. Both are near the Pagoda Circle area it looks like.
the next two verses tell us to go to a fountain. Wether or not its the fountain in the image (if it is a fountain) or another fountain I do not know. Their are many fountains in the park.
The next 6 lines are clues to historic events related to both the park and the area of the casque. This is what I am working on now. Once these four events freedom at the birth of a century, May 1913, Edwin and Edwina and on the 8th a scene are figured out we will know the park and the area of the park the casque is at.
The next four lines are instructions on how to find the casque and I think this is the thing that links the image to the verse. I think the arms extended/bar that binds is represented by the checkarboard patern on the chest area.
The last line likely illudes to the pagoda. This was likely put in the verse because once the four events mentioned above are figured out they could point to two diferant places in the park. This line tells you the correct of the two areas to go.
It sounda like this was burried under some sort of a terace area like a grape arbor. This casque is findable for two reasons first detailed records are keept of all changes to the park and two they did not pave over everything.
If this therory holds up two of the twelve casques look to have been burried in Japanese theamed areas. I wonder if BP had an athenity for the Japanese.

I wonder if BP had an athenity for the Japanese.
well i could not find anything on that, but i found and interesting link to the illustrator
for the book, the art work is just amazing……links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byron_Preiss
illustrated by John Jude Palencar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jude_Palencar
http://www.johnjudepalencar.com/home.htm

boogieman

Here’s a pick of Turtle’s and Sonoran’s dig site.  Tough to dig in that.

still trying to devise a plan to sneak the darn thing into the overhead bins on Delta
I still believe that this theory definitely merits some more investigation.  Desert Terripin sure has come up w/ some very interesting ideas concerning V6.  I really like the “8th a scene” idea.  It is also quite interesting that there happen to be representations of palm trees at that site.  Reg, the white house, or should I say White house (as in Mr. White) could very well be the nearby church (house of God) he built.  Viola, a White house.
but….
if this is correct, than our JPJ theory (which has as many very intriguing ideas) is out…
unless…….
could there be 2 casques that close together?  I highly doubt it.  Only 3 weeks til I’m up there Boogie, we had better get busy and have some very concrete (eek, back to the Holley statue) plans…not sure if my wife is going to want me spending our whole vacation searching for a casque

forest_blight

I have a hard time believing it’s there beside the monument. It’s a very public place, and someone burying a fiberglass cube would have drawn a lot of attention at any time of day.

I agree that it would be hard to bury something next to a prominent monument, although the match to the verse is intriguing. Maybe I missed something, though, could someone explain how they matched Washington Square Park to the verse to begin with?  Is it because of the “On the 8th. a scene” line or is there more? On the 8th. could also mean 8 o’clock, the 8th of the month or a scene in August (8th month).
As for when the concrete was added….the monument was restored in 1999. I would guess that that is when they added the concrete to the base.
Shannon

I’m sure Turtle and Sonoran will post what they have found.  Here is a close shot of the eagle on the Arch Monument.

Edwin and Edwina named after him:
May have no relation, but Edwin Booth was named after
Edwin Forrest
(1806-1872 – a prominent actor from PA I believe) and had a daughter named Edwina Booth.  Edwin Booth’s brother was John Wilkes Booth who assassinated Lincoln.
Anyone done any research on Edwin Forrest fitting into this verse?
Edit – Trohn:  Sorry, I had not read the thread except a few things and skimmed others.  I was in a hurry, and just wanted to get my thought out there.  I just got the book yesterday and was spending most time on p6 (lots of info matched up there potentially with v5, and will confirm it this weekend armed with book and camera), but also looking at some things within the verses here and there.  Actually ran into this going down a dead end in relation to p6!

The cool clear water stuff may be “Cool water” by Bob Nolan. His wife was called
Pearl
.
Each star’s a pool of water, cool water.
But with the dawn I’ll wake and yawn
And carry on to water,
Cool, clear water
.
Keep a-movin’, Dan, don’t you listen to him, Dan,
He’s a devil not a man
And he spreads the burning
sand
with water,
Cool water.
Dan, can you see that
big green tree
Where the water’s running free
And it’s waiting there for me
Hey, never mind Washington St…Portsmouth & Lafayette are also connected via Clay St., named after Henry Clay. His cousin Cassius Clay helped Lincoln draft the Emancipation Proclamation. It runs under Portsmouth and leads right to the white house at Lafayette.
http://www.richardkiel.com/clay.html
…so we’ve got a road leading directly from RLS to a white house and palm trees, via “freedom at the birth of a century” in the form of the Emancipation Proclamation and its 50th anniversary celebrations in 1913.
(*edit* – I thought that someone had previously connected this specifically with May 1913, but can’t find that now.)
Henry Clay had “a reputation for his legal skills and courtroom oratory” and defended various people in court, including his brother Cassius…

Freedom at the birth of a century
Or May 1913
Edwin and Edwina named after him
Or on the eighth a scene
Where law defended
Because of the structure of this, I’d wondered if the “eighth” was 8th May. Been searching for Henry Clay defending something on the 8th of anything, but just came across a reference to the 8th May in his Wikipedia entry…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Clay
On the 8th May 1850, Clay presented an “Omnibus bill” relating to slavery with clauses like prohibition of the slave trade in the District of Columbia. He made seventy speeches to defend it.
http://www.xtimeline.com/evt/view.aspx?id=194483
Here’s some info on a planned redevelopment project at Lafayette with pics etc.
http://www.friendsoflafayettepark.com/p … oject.html

WhiteRabbit

(Are we talking about
Portsmouth Square
where the RLS statue is…? About 15 blocks down Washington St from Lafayette. Not sure where the plaque is…?)

yes sorry! Absolutely Portsmouth square is the square in china town where RLS would sit and tell stories to the children.
it connects directly to Lafayette via washington ave

maltedfalcon

across the street from Jackson square a plaque noting Edwin booth played in the theater there…

(Oops, deleted that post but you’d already quoted it. Well, yeah, everyone has their own methods, but that’s probably not such a bad thing…
)
(Are we talking about
Portsmouth Square
where the RLS statue is…? About 15 blocks down Washington St from Lafayette. Not sure where the plaque is…?)

I think the use of the words “where law defended” is to be applied to slavery law. The constitutional laws were challenged by the abolishionists, leading the Confederates to fire upon Ft. Sumter.

Hmm… Captain Charles Johnson is supposedly the best resource on Blackbeard.

tjgrey, your discovery of the Denmark Vesey reference as “freedom at the birth of a century” is possibly one of the best finds in the last couple years.

erexere

tjgrey, your discovery of the Denmark Vesey reference as “freedom at the birth of a century” is possibly one of the best finds in the last couple years.

Thanks man-but of the references I found to him (and other related things), none were there when BP would have been…
Slowly ruling out parks/areas…seems White Point is still a standing contender…

I think theres a wide spectrum of options for how to approach this puzzle. Hoping for a statue or a plaque, or the historic residence of Vesey are just a few. As you have investigated, those options dont seem to work. What then is the purpose of the reference? Before I go into some elaborate madness, I want to believe the Vesey connection works with the Treasure Island introduction. Maybe slaves attaining freedom is analogous to pirates and pardons?

Possibly. Ok, rolling with that, the first place in my mind is the Stede Bonnet marker on the Battery.
I thought he was pardoned once before being executed too…maybe it was an escape…?

What about Blackbeard?

Sure. Blackbeard was awesome and all but he was all up and down the coastline. I’m not sure of any memorials dedicated to him off of the top of my head. He did a harbor blockade of sorts for medicine but that’s beside the point.
Too bad BP didn’t hide one out on Ocracoke(?)….THERE would be your island treasure!

We can always try to work this verse with another picture. It just takes a good reason to explore an option. I remember reading someone trying to establish the Treasure Island fit in SF. A theory is only good to a point and when it starts to get wonky, we should take a moment to reconnect with reality whether we’re role playing the fair folk or not.
Treasure Island’s preface, puts us in a position favoring Charleston because “Cooper of the wind and wave” is a person of direct significance to the Charleston geography. Lord Ashley Cooper is namesake for both river boundaries to the peninsula.
I like the LotJ as a hint for a lighthouse, because “earthborn and bright” might be good descriptions for a land based beacon. Merging RLS with a lighthouse connection is a sturdy course. When I venture to a hard to access island 35 miles away to consider twin lighthouses, I’m forced to evaluate for wonkiness. I was willing to proceed further and found some interesting history that strengthens the basis for taking a closer look. I have to stick a pin in that, since I live on the West coast. If I lived near Charleston, I’d go in for a closer look asap.

phinetic

Hey everyone I was just wondering, it seems all of you don’t think this poem is for Image 2 (Charelston). I’m just wondering how confident ya’ll are. Not trying to question you, it’s just I’ve been using this verse for years for Image 2. I was wondering if there are other verses youd recommend I explore. And what other verses are you exploring for your image?

I have always thought this verse matches SF, check out WhiteRabbits solutions for details.

phinetic

Hey everyone I was just wondering, it seems all of you don’t think this poem is for Image 2 (Charelston). I’m just wondering how confident ya’ll are. Not trying to question you, it’s just I’ve been using this verse for years for Image 2. I was wondering if there are other verses youd recommend I explore. And what other verses are you exploring for your image?

The Abroad in America reference irreversibly links this verse wth image 2, for me

Treasure Island / Blackbeard can be directly tied to Charleston though too.
“In May 1718, Blackbeard’s pirate fleets appeared at Charleston, South Carolina. Soon they were stopping every vessel entering and leaving the harbor. Almost ten vessels were plundered before Charleston acted on the reoccurring problem. All incoming vessels were soon diverted from entering Charleston harbor and all vessels already within the harbor remained in port because of the siege from Blackbeard’s fleet. Before this happened though, Blackbeard was able to take many important high-ranking citizens as prisoners hoping they would be useful. He held them for ransom for medical supplies and threatened to kill them all if he did not get his wish. Several days after sending one of the hostages and two of his crew to deliver the ransom note, he received his medical trunk and true to his word he released all the prisoners without a loss of life.”
There are also lighthouses in Charleston.

Hey everyone I was just wondering, it seems all of you don’t think this poem is for Image 2 (Charelston). I’m just wondering how confident ya’ll are. Not trying to question you, it’s just I’ve been using this verse for years for Image 2. I was wondering if there are other verses youd recommend I explore. And what other verses are you exploring for your image?

A friend of mine suggested that the line “Freedom at the birth of a century could refer to the 1803 Louisiana Purchase.
–Johann

tjgrey – there may have been a plaque on the house at one time, but it is gone now. The accuracy of the information on the plaque is beside the point, for our purposes — all that matters is that it would have been visible right on the sidewalk in 1981, and that Preiss could see it. I’m dying to know what was on it.

I’ve been reading for a little while now. Very interesting ideas. I enjoy reading them…
Hampton park has stuck out to me the most. All of the history from the exposition is mind boggling. I am in the location, and can always help out with taking current pictures and checking out ideas… I know tj is also here, but just offering as well. I’ll keep reading and post my interpretation soon.

“Blyden had two children, Edwin and Edwina.”
A small point: My reading of the passage is that the twins Edwin and Edwina were not Blyden’s children — they were simply named for him (according to
Abroad in America
).

Thanks for the correction! I have a lot of stuff floating in my brain.
Twin babies having the names Edwin and Edwina was what originally gave me the idea that fraternal twins is analogous to the twin lighthouses not looking the same.
Something I just realized is that Blyden died in 1912. May 1913 follows shortly after that.

tjgrey’s note about Denmark Vesey slipped under the radar for me, so thanks erexere for bringing it back to the fore. This is indeed exciting. There may be something here.
Considering the “Vesey House” at 56 Bull St., some websites say explicitly that there is no plaque on the house, but one notes “Today he’s marked only by a plaque on what may have been his house and by two paintings based on artists’ conceptions of what he may have looked like.” Another notes “the small memorial in Charleston is ‘protected against vandalism by heavy iron gates.'” What memorial? Where?? Nearby, are there two arms, a bar that binds, a long palm, and a white house by any chance? A statue was erected to Vesey somewhere in Hampton Park in 2014. Maybe it’s that one?
Despite its dubious connection to Denmark Vesey, the “Denmark Vesey House” at 56 Bull St. was added to the National Register in 1976, presumably with some sort of plaque or marker. The house is a narrow rental property now, and probably always has been. Google street view’s very clear images do not show any plaques or markers. But I think one existed. I’m following a lead and will report back if I hear anything. In the meantime, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark_Vesey_House
http://www.nationalregister.sc.gov/char … 710094.pdf
http://theclio.com/web/entry?id=9909

Nod. I thought the 56 Bull might lead somewhere. Good luck.

I’ve never been to the Vesey house, but from what I understand, it didn’t have much dedicated to him. Got a guy in the history archive…
“And 56 Bull Street has a plaque on it with the erroneous information that it was Denmark Vesey’s house. Because of the way the system works, the plaque can’t be removed from the house, even though people know the information is erroneous. That is the site of where he lived in 1822, but not the structure.”
And the monument in Hampton Park is enticing, but yes, forest, it was installed in 2014 I believe. I always liked Hampton Park and that area too. Hampton HAD some very very interesting statues and monuments around the time of the Expo sometime after 1900. Sunken garden, a duck pond (“stand and listen to the birds…hear the cool, clear song of water”), plenty of arches in buildings (middle of the mask), and even a statue of some girl or kid on a ball with their arms folded like wings. The zoo later on had a lion, there is a cottage or “Women’s house” that is white too. I just don’t know what was all there around 1975-1985…There are/were daisies I believe at one point, and the kicker? The only park I’ve found a pine-like tree in downtown. (Sullivan’s Island does have some.) If I could post an image in here, or the damn Tapatalk app would get fixed, I would add a bunch.

Just a heads up. Sorry I haven’t shared this sooner. But I’ve been real busy lately and I don’t have time to research this more for you guys right now. For anyone interested in exploring (digging) the Holley Monument location in Washington Square Park, they have started Phase 1 of the renovation. Phase 1 includes the Holley Monument and that whole side of the 10 acre park. The pictures I saw show that most or all of the asphalt has been removed. This may be the perfect time to coordinate a dig. You may even get some volunteer shovel labor from a curious worker or two on site. The window for this opportunity may be small (maybe a few months) depending on the order of steps in their plan.
Here is to link to some renovation pictures I found on Flickr.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/70118259@N00/sets/72157603687378665/
I believe this a very sound solution from start to end, every line has been accounted for. This is probably a once in a lifetime opportunity for this location. The current Holley area is suppose to become a pathway and you may never be allowed to dig there after this renovation is completed. For those unsure of the location, this may be at least an opportunity to cross it off the list. Up to you.

A bar is a place you go to drink.
Below the bar that binds
Below the water cistern barrel, a holding tank for water.  Bind = hold.

Freedom at the birth of a century
We have to guess if this has to do with a particular century.  If we go with the first century, then freedom might apply to Barabbas, the murderer released.  If we go with the 20th century, in a sense of being current, this hunt beginning in 1980 would look at year 2000 as the nextmost turn of century.  If we blur the lines or take the word Freedom as a reference to Lincoln, we might wonder how that helps us any.  I’m considering the line “or May 1913” to be 87 years before the next century’s birth.  Four score and seven = 87.  My best reason found to make use of the references to Lincoln and the sounds of birds is to consider his assassination and his vice president Andrew Johnson, closest at hand to the White House, and the Walt Whitman poem that references the song of the thrush bird to Lincoln.  It also mentions the orb or star that is the planet Venus, perhaps a clue to be linked to the lepidoptera woman.  Andrew Johnson was also the name of the Lighthouse Keeper at Cape Romain which fits the Charleston coordinates.

So I was reading an old article about The Secret on some random website and decided to sift through the user comments at the bottom and ran across one that had some information I have never seen before. They referenced Image 2 with Verse 6 in regards to a spot in the French Quarter known as The Dock Theatre in Charleston SC.
I thought I would snoop around and see if there was anything that looked promising, since this was way off anything I had ever heard. After doing some research, I found this Theatre has a super rich history. That lead me to find an old book called “THIRTY YEARS PASSED AMONG THE PLAYERS IN ENGLAND AND AMERICA: INTERSPERSED WITH ANECDOTES AND REMINISCENCES OF A VARIETY OF PERSONS, DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY CONNECTED WITH THE DRAMA DURING THE THEATRICAL LIFE OF JOE COWELL, COMEDIAN.”
Text is here:
https://archive.org/stream/thirtyyearspasse00cowe/thirtyyearspasse00cowe_djvu.txt
After reading a bit of it and doing some keyword searches, a lot of things about Image 2 started to ring true. It talks about a lion. It talks about Washington Square (although the one in NY), it speaks of Yew-trees (Google the Yew tree Fairy and also a picture of a yew tree which looks like the branch in I2), it references Diamonds, John Wilkes Booth, a famous actor named Edwin Forrest, the date of September the 8th (on the eighth a scene), speaks of the law a lot, speaks to slavery and cruelty of oppression, etc. etc. etc.
Not saying this is something, but it is interesting and worth a look.
Regards,
Mac

Yet another interp of “long palm’s shadow”:
Just east of Sullivan’s island, is Isle of Palms. The two islands are literally only dozens of feet away from each other across a narrow waterway called the Breach Inlet.
Isle of Palms is the larger island and was settled first, and is the home of many pirate legends about buried treasure. The first name of Isle of Palms was actually “Hunting Island,” then it was renamed “Long Island.” But at the “birth of a century” (i.e. 1899!) it was purchased by J. C. Long (!) and renamed Isle of Palms and Mr. Long began promoting it as a place to be “free of the heat and bustle” of Charleston’s hot summers. So “freedom at the birth of a century” might just have a much more mundane meaning!
Isle of Palms sported the state’s first amusement park–with Ferris wheel–opened in 1912.
Isle of Palms is a mile wide and seven miles long. Running the length of it is Palm Blvd. Bisecting it is the Isle of Palms connector–an interstate that spans the waterways and islands on this side of Charleston harbor. All its streets are numbered–1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc–and “on the 8th”–?  Probably not the real meaning of that line, but it’s fun to think about.
The company that developed Isle of Palms as a “getaway” place is called Sea Pines Co. Note the PINE in the image.
There’s some interesting information in this article and on the website.
http://www.iop.net/AboutUs/IslandHistory.aspx

I suppose the pear fruit on image 2 has a core. The limb looks contour similar to the Outer Banks too.

I am not so dogmatic as to think that there is only one possible “White house” in the area.
The Market Hall/Confederate Museum on 188 Meeting St. (corner of Meeting and Market)
was designed by Edward Brickell
White
.  I can imagine BP using his love of word play
to call this museum a “White house”.
Even more appropriate would be the
Custom House
for which White was supervising architect.
That would be an even better pun for
“White house”.
One last location…
The Circular Congregationalist Church and graveyard. This burial ground is considered the oldest in Charleston,
with graves that date to the 1680’s. The church is located at the site of the
White Meeting House
,
from which Meeting Street derives its name.
AP

AP, myself, i just think blyden is to point this verse to the “africa” image or gem.
doesn’t that word century bother you guys?…………freedom at the birth of a……….usually this would say “nation”…….and then, it would strengthen my “flagpole” theory, lol
that word century gets me.
the jasper monument does have “1876”, and that would be 100 years from the birth of our nation, right?
http://ytinamuh.blogspot.com/2007/04/wh … ttery.html
“The etchings on the front read: “NO MEN EVER DID, AND IT IS IMPOSSIBLE THAT ANY CAN BEHAVE BETTER – Gen Charles Lee” “ERECTED UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE PALMETTO GUARD, Jun 23
1876
“
and it does have the laurel leaves, which kindof look like the tree limbs

The secret what?  Wigi?  Now why didn’t I think of that?  The Wigi board will tell us where the casques are!!!  or is that Ouigi Board?

This verse most likely goes with New York. Go to the Secret Wiki or however that’s spelled and look at the solution for Image 12 Verse 6

by the way…i ABSOLUTELY confirmed my charleston spot as the correct location last night. so, if anyone had any doubts…they are now moot. the treasure is gone. Preiss had made charleston and roanoke the easiest because those treasures were at the most risk of being disturbed by weather…unfortunately…none of us made it to either in time…seems like we just missed an oppourtunity to get roanoke as well, as the damage done to the beach occurred over the past year…

One other question. Is there any specific connection regarding Edward Blyden to White Point Garden?

davinci4

One other question. Is there any specific connection regarding Edward Blyden to White Point Garden?

Nope, there’s nothing in Charleston at all that commemorates Blyden’s one visit to the city. When I started looking into a possible I2/V6 connection last year, the only Blyden monument/memorial I could find was over in Liberia, where he served in that country’s government after working in the Pan-African movement to repatriate slaves from the US.

I remember reading somewhere that there were animals in a park, including a lion, near The Citadel.  In fact, someone at The Citadel could hear the lion roaring.  Was it Hampton Park?

That would make sense—if there are any animals in Hampton Park, it’s right near the Citadel.
Charles Towne Landing also has an African-American History museum. I’m wondering if Blyden’s picture or an artifact from his life is there.
And another thing…Fort Sumter is shaped
exactly
like that mask at the bottom of I2. Not just similiarly, but exactly. If that doesn’t confirm this P. as Charleston nothing does.
As for the stocks being the ‘arms extended and the bar that binds,’ maybe so!
That would certainly keep the casque in Charles Towne Landing.

whats incorrect about it?

JoshCornell

whats incorrect about it?

Only 1 thing , the fact that none of them lead to the location of where a casque was hidden.

thats not true the casqe was hidden there in charleston…its just gone cause of weather or gardener….probably weather.

that is one viable possibility you must acknowledge..whether you like it or not. beyond my control. beyond your control and beyond preiss’ control. its just a reality. one thing that is 100% for sure: the treasure hunt leads right where i took you. beyond any reasonable doubt whatsoever…and even if you do have doubt. i have more evidence that moots that. so. yea. it is what it is…irretrievable. at least in this case…please offer a valid criticism if you actually have one…

Hello again,
I have posted a complete solution for Image 2 using Verse 6 under the Image 2 topic.
Because Image ans Verse are so integrated I have mixed the two together instead of breaking them in half as I tried to do the first time.
Please see:
http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/http://test.quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?p=100947#p100947
Re: image 2
« Reply #361 on: Today at 12:22:49 am »
and also
i]Re: image 2
« Reply #362 on: Today at 12:22:49 am »

just tossing it out there maybe v6 goes to new orleans, i havent  had a lot of  time
to see if anymore of the V fits in N.O.
Of all the romance retold
Men of tales and tunes…….maybe this means theatre
Edwin and Edwina named after him………found edwin forrest in N.O.
pg 81
Forrest made his first appearance in New Orleans on Wednesday evening, February 4th, 1823,
as Jaffier,being then only seventeen years of age.On the first of January, 1824, Caldwell opened
his new theatre on Camp Street, with Town and Country, Forrest playing Captain Grlenroy.
pg 84
Jane Placide Made her first appearance in New Orleans, January 4th, 1823, exactly
one month before Mr.Forrest s appearance in that city.
——–
from
The life of Edwin Forrest : With reminiscences and personal recollections (1874)
http://archive.org/download/edwinforres … esrich.pdf
http://archive.org/details/edwinforrestlife00reesrich
Caldwell opened 2 theatres, the Camp Street and the St. Charles,guessing
from old maps i think somewhere close to these marks
http://goo.gl/maps/iT02y
In 1824 he opened his Camp Street Theater, which was located outside the Vieux CarrŽ, in
Faubourg St. Mary.
He later built the elegant St. Charles Theater
http://www.iadb.org/exr/cultural/catalo … eater.html
The St. Charles Theatre was located on St. Charles Avenue, between Poydras and Gravier Streets
http://www.saengeramusements.com/theatr … charle.htm

Missplaced notes???
DOH!

No, animal painter  wanted to look for visual identifiers for Edward Wilmot Blyden in Charleston so I posted my notes about Blyden’s trip there. Meaning these would be the places to look.
Does that not make sense?

Has anybody contemplated the inscriptions on the plaques of the Washington Light Infantry Obelisk? Interesting to say the least. Not only is there the “fair renown” on there, but also “between,” “beside” and “below.”  Could the “arms” be coats of arms that are on the plaques?

It’s a good idea. I found “between” and “beside(s),” but where is “below”?
http://192.220.96.192/wli.pdf

There are actually four(4) plaques on the shaft base, one on each side. you’ve found one… i am looking for a picture/text of the others… will get back to you.

Bingo:
http://www.waymarking.com/gallery/defau … gid=2&st=2
… In the war between the States…
…Besides the maimed, wounded and captured…
…And she points with tremulous hand below…
…They were of the very flower of this ancient city, her young hope and fair renown.
I’d really like to know what is etched in the dancing children (with arms extended) statue base.
http://columbus2004.web.infoseek.co.jp/ … w/014.html
and
http://rotj.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/dsc00050a.jpg
We already know Fort Sumpter is imprinted on the base of the obelisk.
Also, the first few lines of V6 could very well be describing Henry Timrod. One of the most famous writer, poet, and journalist  of the south, a bust of whom stands in square.

Unknown

Unknown:
I’d really like to know what is etched in the dancing children

@four21thrasher
This monument is dedicated to Marguerite Sinkler Valk and was erected in 1981 by the Friends of Olde Charlestowne.
I’m not sure of the exact time frame for the treasure burials but I would guess the monument was either very new or not yet in place when the casques were buried.
Have you read my solution for Verse 6 and Image 2 posted under Image 2 starting at « Reply #361 on: October 15, 2009, 12:08:24 am »?

might wanna check this out
http://www.malags.com/
– they are holding an exhibit in charleston sept 20-23… ooooh so tempting to ask!

“Between two arms extended
Below the bar that binds
Beside the long palm’s shadow”
Just a thought here. Whichever geographic location you are considering (SF, Charleston, Montreal) for this verse, the lines here seem to specifically indicate the burial spot. What’s interesting is that there seems to be a ‘triangulated approach’ whereby all three criteria must be met. It also implies there is ambiguity if only one or two lines are true. For example, if you correctly locate the “bar that binds” there is probably more than one of “bars” in that spot. The correct “bar” is the one that is in the ‘shadow of the long palm’ and ‘between two arms.’ These two lines would seem superfluous otherwise.

Those verses have always made me think of this statue in SF –
https://www.artandarchitecture-sf.com/g … -2012.html

MERLIN

Those verses have always made me think of this statue in SF –
https://www.artandarchitecture-sf.com/g … -2012.html

Cool. I like the ‘two arms extended’ and the ‘bar that binds’ for this statue. Any thoughts on the “shadow of the long palm”?

I believe there was a palm tree near the statue at some point.

The way the tar looks in the pic, it looks like maybe the foot path left an open dirt patch behind the monument and was later patched up.  And, I think major road ways are 6 to 8 inches, but foot paths are half of that or even less.  Unless they expected two-ton people walking on it.  Go for it guys!

The Japanese translation said to think of the verses as a cipher of sorts. So I did. I started going back through old posts and using the search tool like a good newcomer… and I hit on some ideas about anagrams. (Cue the sighs and eye rolls) However, most of what I was finding was an attempt to use the first letters of the lines to make not-so-perfect word matches/confirmers. So, I thought why not? I don’t really have a working ‘solution’ into which I would try to force this stuff. I just found it interesting. Here is what frustration and boredom lead to:
I plugged in “Of all the romance retold” to an online anagram maker… and it spit out ‘Confederate Hall’.. with some other nonsensical, off-topic words to round out the puzzle. Big news? Probably not. It also gave other possibilities: ‘Reformatted, Theretofore, and Chloroform’… alright, not an exact method, but something new (to me anyway). I did this with the whole verse.
The first three lines give us “Confederate Hall Fundamental Blunder” (and yes, the filler words) At best, that confirms Charleston, sort of. Later in the verse I got words like ‘Gallows, Workhorse, Exonerates, and Disembowels’. Not really a connection there. I also entered “Below the bar that binds” and got ‘Brainwashed’. Hmm… not sure where I was going with this.
When I got to “Or May 1913” it seemed easy enough… ‘Mayor’. So, who was the Mayor of Charleston in 1913? John P. Grace. They later named a cantilever bridge after him which opened… On the 8th… of August. It was later paralleled by the Silas Pearman bridge. Ok, history lesson over. Some may think this was a waste of time. Maybe. But I’m ok with that. And, besides, an anagram for “Cantilever” is ‘Erect Anvil’… which just makes me chuckle. Not sure why.
I’ll get some sleep and try again at a later time.

BTW if you’re looking for a white house in Chinatown look on top of the Stockton tunnel, by the california cable car route.
600 Stockton used to be Cogswell college, now Ritz-Carlton.
http://tinyurl.com/yy464acc

JamesV

Sun Yat-sen? Yeah, I think it was WhiteRabbit who pointed out how the female in Image 1 also bore a resemblance to that other statue of Sun Yat-sen, located in St. Mary’s Square.

What other Sun Yat-Sen statue? The only one I know of is in St. Mary’s.

MERLIN

https://hoodline.com/2014/04/the-histor … y-monument

The McKinley monument is also called Justice.

She’s The Republic not justice. However:
Aitken was a famed San Franciscan sculptor at the turn of the 20th century, who created some of the most iconic works in American sculpture. His magnum opus decorates the Supreme Court Building in Washington D.C.: the West pediment depicting Lady Liberty under the inscription “Equal Justice Under Law.”
BTW
White house to her left hand. Notice the arched stone door.
http://tinyurl.com/y2dxtmd2
Wide shot:
http://tinyurl.com/y2cyrwx7
The Republic, Shadow of the long palm:
http://tinyurl.com/y54rh52l
https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/32289
Morning sun would cast shade of the palm leaf to the back of the statue.

Sorry. It did not sound like a joke.

Sounded like a joke to me Mr.Rabbit.  Still have to believe we are straying from the simple…obvious….

Sorry Shecrab. My bad. I’ll try focus.

Unknown

Unknown:
Harken to the words:
Freedom at the birth of a century
Or May 1913

I did an extensive Internet search.  There were quite a few people who were born or died in May 1913.  The most significant event was the Treaty of London being signed.  There was also a May Day revolt in Russia in 1913.  Congress also passed a law in May 1913 recognizing Mother’s Day, and requiring representatives to wear white carnations.  I believe there is a picture with a white carnation in it.

i’ll stand my ground and say this verse is definitely not about Florida.  The palm will not be the palm in that picture (which I will agree IS florida), nor a palm tree of any sort.
I still do not see any connection between “cool clear song of water” and “Swanee River”.  It is just as likely to be the song “Cool Water” (lost the reference now, but the lyrics begin “each day i face the barren waste without a taste of water, cool clear water”)
May 1913 could just be a small engraving on a nearby building.  Treasure hunts are also scavenger hunts.  The verse is not a set of clues for finding the general location, but a set of instructions for following a path to a digging spot.  You will walk a trail and see these things along the way as confirmers.  Such a visual bit of text might not be a famous date, but something only a local would see.  For example, the foundation of the May Company building might have “erected 1913” carved on a brick.
I’m still following my Philadelphia lead from Edwin Forrest.  His mansion houses the Freedom Theater.  I keep trying to visualize a statue of a slave, with arms outstretched and a bar shackled to his wrists.  That would cast a nice shadow.

I love your pep Cat, but how can you say that it is definitely NOT one place, then say it may be another?  I have not said one way or the other if it IS FL.  I have simply stated that many (myself included) are leaning towards the possible confirmers of FL.  I really like where you are going with the Edwin Forrest approach as well.  The second half of the V sure sounds like oppression or slavery and Mr. F was big on that.  Here are a couple of photos I’ve found.  It is odd because both photos say they are either E.F.’s home or E.F.’s mansion but they are different buildings.
(home)
http://www.brynmawr.edu/iconog/hotchkin … pg(mansion
)http://www.brynmawr.edu/iconog/nwl/p906014c.jpg

Or May 1913,
1913 Mayor?  John P. Grace was Mayor of Charleston from 1911-1915.  The John P. Grace Memorial Bridge sat next to the Silas Pearman bridge.

erexere

Or May 1913,
1913 Mayor?  John P. Grace was Mayor of Charleston from 1911-1915.  The John P. Grace Memorial Bridge sat next to the Silas Pearman bridge.

What does that have to do with 1913?

Or May = Mayor.  Who was the Mayor in 1913?  Is the name relatable to any specific object or place? etc.
Just looking for clean cut cleverness.  There’s a simplicity to discover if we just open our minds.  Whether it works here or not is another story.

Check this out, just glanced at this mention of illegal drinking saloons called “blind tigers”.  Maybe it’s a reason for having a lion in image 2…
http://books.google.com/books?id=CU-anH … on&f=false

I just got around to investigating the Village Museum in McClellanville and it’s only established since 1999.  My interest was to investigate the local tourism.  So far I can ascertain is that the stories and history was well established by the late 60’s.  I’m not sure when Tourism really took a dive. Mid 80’s is my guess.

erexere

I just got around to investigating the Village Museum in McClellanville and it’s only established since 1999.  My interest was to investigate the local tourism.  So far I can ascertain is that the stories and history was well established by the late 60’s.  I’m not sure when Tourism really took a dive. Mid 80’s is my guess.

And you were trying to get me to send my woman there to look… without even researching the date of your clue? Wow.

I knew I’d catch crap for that.

“Freedom at the birth of a century” (fatboaC)
Maybe the idea here is to connect the mention of twins (two same things) to century as a nudge to the bicentennil of 1976. That is alao the same publish date as Abroad in America.

maltedfalcon

Except your map of GG park and the image of the lady are backwards, if the map is correct your picture of the lady needs to be reversed left to right

(Yep, quite right…like jimerson’s version
here
. That puts the kind of background mountain/water scenery by the beach, which is much more logical. You could say it puts the pearl in the sea, where you’d expect to find it. The golden collar could be the beach, and GH the Great Highway as you previously pointed out.)
Since this is the V6 thread and I’m drifting off-topic, I’ll throw this in…
Or on the eighth a scene
Eighth letter is H, which is the point on jimerson’s map I was looking at
here
.

hmm id have to disagree.

unless its related to his trial, as opposed to the act itself.

in my opinion, law is not often used as a defence, like it sort of was in this case. its used as a punishment or retribution…and as a criminal…youd defend yourself against the law. so I think the pirate analogy is actually one of the few instances in which that phrase does accurately apply.

There’s a wealth of options to consider for the African puzzle. Evidence to contradict or support each case is thin or non-existent, or merely based on whim or belief. I continue to wonder what this puzzle is really about, so I’ll attempt to review some ideas I brought up years ago.
How does the Fort Sumter shape anchor our perspective? Its shape could be used to determine a direction on a map, since it has a unique five-sided shape with the one edge being longer than the others. The question then, if this is meant as map style clue, is what other feature(s) in the painting would work as a second point of reference? If it’s not a map clue, then how about a historic clue to the events of the Civil War era, pulling our attention to the 1860’s. This is my preferred reason, since I think it links in gist to the name of President Lincoln’s closest at hand, Andrew Johnson (White house close at hand). The Civil War was a time of secession for South Carolina. Word play, yet worth consideration, secession (withdrawl from the union) and succession (transfer of power or name to a next in line) are homophonically linked. The word succession is attractive based on the essence of the line about Edwin and Edwina named after him being foremost a literal and first hand example of succession.
Andrew Johnson was coincidentally the name of the Cape Romaine lighthouse keeper, subject of the news article about the events of a murder on April 8th, 1873 (on the eighth a scene where law defended). How likely this matter of public record would be available to a Charlestonian in 1982 is up for debate. Somehow I find it likely to be something I’d hear about if I were gonna lighthouse tour, but I would expect the tour guide only to say “the Keeper murdered his wife after she buried her money and jewels somewhere nearby…”, though not referencing the name Andrew Johnson.
Also, keep in mind that RLS was in succession to be a lighthouse builder, but became a writer instead,
https://must-see-scotland.com/robert-louis-stevenson/
Found this interesting note about RLS’ story Kidnapped, where he gathers local info for one of his stories while visiting his dad building a lighthouse in Scotland.

do you guys not read what I say? lol
Fort Sumter Pendent:
after getting to corner of S & E Battery via Huney Monument and Capstand clues, you are directed down Rainbow Row to 50 East Bay St, where you find the stars and lion on the building.
the stars on the building relate to the star on the Fort Sumter Pendant.
this tells us the white star on the FS pendant represents the white house in the verse…so we know that the white house somehow relates to fort sumter.
thus, we know our white building is the Fort Sumter Association Building at the SW corner of WPG.
right across the street from the FSAB is a cannon and sundial.
the sundial on the pendant points to 4pm.
thus, we are to offset ourselves bw the shadow of the sundial at 4pm and cannon to find our palms.
we then use process of elimination to deduce the correct palm, whose shadow marks the sandbox in the painting at 4pm.
so everything on the pendent relates to FS in a sense.
RR in that you need it to deduce the FS building via 50 E Bay.
the star, in that it both relates to the former clue (RR) white building in verse and FS itself.
the sundial via its location across from the FSAB and that its used as one of the 2 arms extended.
the eyes are in the shape of the windows at FS.

my only beef with your Andrew Johnson reading is that murdering your wife is not using the law, nor defending anything lol.

anus905

my only beef with your Andrew Johnson reading is that murdering your wife is not using the law, nor defending anything lol.

Whatever the criminal act, the line “where law defended” seems appropriate.

Re: Edwin and RLS, I’ve only just realised there’s an RLS plaque at 608 Bush St, just down the road from Edwin’s one at 440 Bush St. That’s pretty weird.
So…trying something different with this verse, you could start by the RLS plaque which is on the corner of Stockton St., head north to where it hits Beach St. at the top, then turn left down Beach St. (corresponding with the Beach Boys quote after the RLS quote) which takes you past the Ghirardelli sign.
That takes you miles from Edwin before he gets a mention though.

Below the bar that binds
At least this place has one of those.
Dragon’s tail…?
People say they like GGate, and Ghirardelli. But you can’t have both. You have to choose.
View from Beach St…
That pink building to the left of the circle is the Maritime Museum. Quite like it as it’s “between two arms extended” and “on the eighth” street from the Stockton junction.
(I know people have been here before. I need to find a way to cram in Equity and the Emancipation Proclamation though. The Maritime Museum is on the intersection with
Polk
, but he was slave crazy.)

Sorry I wasnt clear,
not GGpark but Portsmouth square, A park bordering the southern edge of china town.
interestingly the lamp posts around this park are decorated with dragons that look a lot like the dragon in the image…. (but not exactly)
The only reason to be in this park is if the verse is v6 – unfortunately after that it pretty much is a dead end..
I cant find any good associations for the rest of the verse…

This is how I think this verse fits the Pagoda Circle area.
Lets start with the first 5 lines of the verse. I am going to take your word for it that these are the first words of Treasure Island.
If that is the case it was likely antisibated that some would recognise them and head for the Pagoda which was on an Island.
I however feal that the second line Men of
Tales and Tunes
is a key line. This serves two key functions first it keeps you from going to the art museum. Their would be no Tunes there and second and prehaps more important it keeps you from misinterpriting the first line and going to the pagoda. As their would be no tales at the pagoda.
So my take on the first few lines is this: line 1 is talking about all the romantic and dramatic plays that have been preformed at the muny and the next two lines are trying to hint to a theater.
The next two lines would make sense as well because the Muny was nearly 70 years old when the book came out.
The next two lines tell us to go to a fountain near the Muny.
The next six lines are the most important and is what the MO History Library needs to help us the most on. These are historical clues that once figured out will tell us if we are right or not.
The next five lines are instructions on how to find the casque and in my moind what ties the image to the verse.
The last line is likely the Pagoda.

Unknown

Unknown:
This is how I think this verse fits the Pagoda Circle area.
Lets start with the first 5 lines of the verse. I am going to take your word for it that these are the first words of Treasure Island.

Unknown

Unknown:
If that is the case it was likely antisibated that some would recognise them and head for the Pagoda which was on an Island.

Unknown

Unknown:
I however feal that the second line Men of Tales and Tunes is a key line. This serves two key functions first it keeps you from going to the art museum. Their would be no Tunes there and second and prehaps more important it keeps you from misinterpriting the first line and going to the pagoda. As their would be no tales at the pagoda.

Unknown

Unknown:
So my take on the first few lines is this: line 1 is talking about all the romantic and dramatic plays that have been preformed at the muny and the next two lines are trying to hint to a theater.

Unknown

Unknown:
The next two lines would make sense as well because the Muny was nearly 70 years old when the book came out.

Unknown

Unknown:
The next two lines tell us to go to a fountain near the Muny.

Unknown

Unknown:
The next six lines are the most important and is what the MO History Library needs to help us the most on. These are historical clues that once figured out will tell us if we are right or not.
The next five lines are instructions on how to find the casque and in my moind what ties the image to the verse.

Unknown

Unknown:
The last line is likely the Pagoda.

If I might be permitted to dissect this theory…
No need to take anyone’s word for it. Here it is (I underlined the parts referred to in V6):
TO THE HESITATING PURCHASER
If sailor tales to sailor tunes
,
Storm and adventure, heat and cold,
If schooners, islands, and maroons,
And buccaneers, and buried gold,
And
all the old romance, retold
Exactly in the ancient way,
Can please, as me they pleased
of old
,
The wiser youngsters of today…
“Men of tales and tunes,” then, is a direct reference to “sailors.” What kind of sailors are “cruel and bold”? Pirates. “Seen here / by eyes of old,” then, means “
This is a place where there used to be pirates
.” The rest of this theory is built on the premise that these first few lines point to the Muny area, which I am having a hard time believing. I really want to believe it, though, because St. Louis is the only casque city within driving distance for me.
But what does a pagoda have to do with pirates? If you mean the island reference… there are literally thousands upon thousands of islands in the U.S. and Canada. Islands are everywhere. Why this one?
I don’t understand this at all. Can you elaborate on why you think the line “Of all the romance retold” might tempt people to visit the pagoda?
How does “Men of tales and tunes / Cruel and bold” refer to a building or structure? Surely it refers to “men.”
But there are millions of old things, all around us. I am having difficulty understanding how these clues could have led you to this place, when it seems to me they could just as easily have led to hundreds or thousands of other places.
Okay, I can see how these might refer to a fountain.
I can understand how doing historical research may help with those lines, but in what way does it tie the verse to a specific image? Please elaborate.
I can’t see the pagoda referred to as a “white house.”
In fact, the clear references to
Treasure Island
and pirates would seem to automatically eliminate anywhere that isn’t on the east coast.

forest_blight

If I might be permitted to dissect this theory…
In fact, the clear references to
Treasure Island
and pirates would seem to automatically eliminate anywhere that isn’t on the east coast.

Except, the one place The author of Treasure Island lived while in the United States was San Francisco,
and by coincidence in China Town. Where there is a monument dedicated to him.
He used to sit in the park and tell stories to entertain the young chinese children…. He was a favorite of the people in the park.
Then there is a very famous island located in the San Francisco Bay called, Treasure Island.
So I wouldnt preclude the west coast too firmly….