That’s a good point – I forgot that.

maltedfalcon

He used to sit in the park and tell stories to entertain the young chinese children…. He was a favorite of the people in the park.

What park?  Golden Gate Park?  hmmmmm
Can the rest of this V be connected with GGP?  It sure would be nice if it could.  That way, we could reexamine my theory of V7 P7 being located in or around Jackson Square.

Okay, just thinking out loud so take it for what its worth…
Edward Wilmot Blyden is refered to as a West Indian in several things I’ve read.  Hampton Park, bordered by the Citadel, was built as part of the West Indian Exposition of 1901.  May 1913 marks when the capstan from the USS Maine was installed at the western end of Hampton Park.  (It was later moved to the Charleston Naval Base and then finally installed at White Point Garden on July 15, 1927.)
possibly more to come

I believe I have identified Edwin and Edwina, and who they were named after.
Taking inspiration from The Giant Squid’s discovery of Sarmiento’s quote from Verse 2, I did a Google Book Search for a few key phrases. in
THE EXACT SAME BOOK
, “Abroad in America: Visitors to the New Nation, 1776-1914” (Smithsonian Institution, 1976) where Sarmiento’s quote can be found on p. 110, we have on p. 164 (emphasis added):
In his search for converts to the colonization cause, Blyden concentrated on
Charleston
with its large black population and important newspaper, the
News and Courier
, whose editors were sympathetic. Many in Charleston sought from Blyden news of the South Carolinians who had emigrated a dozen years before. He was enthusiastically welcomed;
he even had twin babies named after him, Edwin and Edwina Wilmot Blyden, during his stay
.”
…thus definitively linking Verse 6 to Charleston, SC. The Blyden in question was Edward Wilmot Blyden. From wikipedia:
“Edward Wilmot Blyden (3 August 1832 – 7 February 1912) was an educator, writer, diplomat, and politician in Liberia and Sierra Leone. He was born in Saint Thomas, U.S. Virgin Islands (then under Danish rule) to free parents on August 3, 1832. Blyden arrived in Liberia in 1850 and was soon deeply involved in its development. He died in Freetown, Sierra Leone, on February 7, 1912.”
(Notice that he was an Indies Native, too, but that is unlikely to be relevant).
Run with it, folks.

Charleston Verse 6!!! Nailed It!
-regulus

Pretty amazing.  We should do a search of other phrases in that book, just in case.
Verse 6 has very cryptic and specific references to things.  Let’s try and tie in all of the references to Charleston, and hopefully that will lead us to the right spot.

Egbert

Verse 6 has very cryptic and specific references to things.  Let’s try and tie in all of the references to Charleston, and hopefully that will lead us to the right spot.

Returning to V6, the first few lines (paraphrased from
Treasure Island
) definitely relate to pirates. That’s not hard to understand, as Charleston was a hotbed of pirate activity. Some were hanged and buried around the Battery area.
As for Blyden, we might ask “so what?” Besides the link to Charleston, is there anything to be gained from knowing that the verse refers to Blyden specifically? It would
really
nail it if we found some kind of plaque, statue, sculpture, memorial (etc.) to Edward Wilmot Blyden somewhere in Charleston. I suggest we look for that, like, now.

If there is one, it is likely to be at a mosque or other Muslim organization. Blyden turned Muslim and became the governor of Liberia. There is a statue in Sierra Leone, and likely one as well  in St. Thomas near his home, which I believe is now a national monument.
I could not find any specific places in Charleston that might honor him–there might be any number of them now, but in the early 80’s who knows.
His portrait is in the Library of Congress archives.
ck

erexere

… Oh snap! The proper noun form of Cooper must be a reference to this First Lord of Trade, Ashley Cooper. This is a great way to link V6 to Charleston if the Cooper and Ashley Rivers are named after him.

Yes, there’s no way the words actually
IN
the verse link it to Charleston…

Good thing I responded to all of the other threads and threw in some Edwin/Edwina references before coming here. Not.
At the end of the day, I’m about 75-25 on the idea that Edwin/Edwina are a Blyden reference that gets us to Charleston. The fact that Preiss seems to snatch his references from the
exact same book
is pretty strong.
Rhetorical P.S. Who the Hell is Edwin Harelston?

Merlot Brougham

Rhetorical P.S. Who the Hell is Edwin Harelston?

You mean Edwin C.Harelston?

Edwin Harleston
was a civil rights leader and artist in Charleston. He had a niece, Edwina, who was named after him.
But unless there’s something that ties him into the puzzle somehow, I think it’s safe to assume that BP’s talking about Blyden, and that the line is just a Charleston confirmer.

Edwin sounds like “a twin”.

Maybe this reference to a Cooper in Treasure Island is like the Atropos (Three Weird Sisters) reference that is found near the Melville quote. So Anthony Ashley Cooper, the First Lord of Trade, was one of the first designators of the port of Charleston? Is the Cooper River named after him?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony … haftesbury
TO THE HESITATING PURCHASER
If sailor tales to sailor tunes,
Storm and adventure, heat and cold,
If schooners, islands, and maroons,
And buccaneers, and buried gold,
And all the old romance, retold
Exactly in the ancient way,
Can please, as me they pleased of old,
The wiser youngsters of today:
–So be it, and fall on!  If not,
If studious youth no longer crave,
His ancient appetites forgot,
Kingston, or Ballantyne the brave,
Or
Cooper
of the wood and wave:
So be it, also!  And may I
And all my pirates share the grave
Where these and their creations lie!
Oh snap! The proper noun form of Cooper must be a reference to this First Lord of Trade, Ashley Cooper. This is a great way to link V6 to Charleston if the Cooper and Ashley Rivers are named after him. Thanks for that lead, tjgrey!

Law defended.
I wonder if its a bar on a stair.  You hold onto the handrail for support and safety while ascending or decending.  What if law equates with lawyer which is a barrister?  Then a bar for support might translate into law defended.  Isn’t it called a safety rail or a handrail?

WhiteRabbit

The fair remuneration may signify no more than the casque; the Fair Folk’s reward.

I think you nailed it.
I might have homed in on the meaning of white house close at hand.  There are twin lighthouses.  One is brick red and one is white.  The older reddish lighthouse was later replaced by the taller white lighthouse.  The white house is a white lighthouse.  Close at hand means “in the near future” or “within reach”.  Do we then focus on the original lighthouse as that would make sense when saying white lighthouse has yet to be built?

erexere

From all indications, he’s done a lot of digging. I’m actually proud of his empty-handed accomplishements. Any digging at all is a remarkable feat.
I think there’s an actual rule only found in the rare signed pre-release copies of the Secret that say it’s required to dig a lot and then make some externalizing excuse as to why your theory can’t be wrong.

The actual rule states that you must dig (not probe) to know if you are right or wrong; and if you have come up empty-handed, you have to go back to the drawing board, rethink your solution, and try again. Coming to grips with the fact that you could be or were wrong is a major part of the puzzle, and integral to one of these things ever being recovered. Determination is not useful when trying to advance a theory, only while digging at its endpoint.

Glossiphoniidae

The actual rule states that you must dig (not probe) to know if you are right or wrong; and if you have come up empty-handed, you have to go back to the drawing board, rethink your solution, and try again. Coming to grips with the fact that you could be or were wrong is a major part of the puzzle, and integral to one of these things ever being recovered. Determination is not useful when trying to advance a theory, only while digging at its endpoint.

The original rules didn’t require digging, but we can’t get the answers otherwise now, for sure. I didn’t mean to suggest that it wasn’t great that you’re digging, just poking fun at the fact that you’re so smug about it.
I agree about going back to the drawing board, which is why I think it’s odd that you’re so vehemently opposed to exploring theories that don’t agree with the rules you’ve arbitrarily set for yourself and your group. Personally, once I dug a few empty holes based on certain assumptions, I’d start at least considering that my assumptions might be partly at fault.
But that’s a topic for methodology, and one we’ve already agreed to disagree about.

Momatrance = phish4harpua?

Hi malted –
I took a fresh look at Image 1 / Verse 6 / San Fransisco today and had an idea. See what you think.
Edwin and Edwina named after him
I started out looking at Washington St. because Edwin played at a theatre there…
http://www.sfmuseum.org/hist/theatres.html
To the west, it runs past Lafayette Square.
White house close at hand
The most famous White House of all is beside Lafayette Square in Washington DC, and I wondered if BP might be using that
Lafayette Square
to provide clues for this one.
(Lafayette Park / Lafayette Square…they both seem to have both titles.)
Freedom at the birth of a century
Or May 1913
The Emancipation Proclamation, issued by Abraham Lincoln, resident of the White House.
San Fransisco’s Lafayette Square has an interesting history. It was the site of an observatory by a noted Californian astronomer,
George Davidson
. I think I read somewhere that this was the first observatory on the west coast.
http://www.europa.com/~telscope/califobs.txt
Mount Davidson
was named after him in 1881. This is San Fransisco’s highest point.
(It’s the site of a large cross and an annual prayer meeting. The mountains in this image always reminded me of robed figures and praying hands.)
San Fransisco’s Lafayette Square also has a notable “White house” of its own.
“A handsome white six-story residence stands within the park, facing Gough Street. It is the St. Regis Apartments at 1925 Gough St – the only privately owned building in a public park in San Francisco.”
http://www.parkscan.org/parks?parkId=24
Here’s the park…
The White house is on the right – here’s the view from the star…
Beside the long palm’s shadow
There are palm trees. Here’s the view from the circle.
There are also tennis courts. (See cross).
Or May 1913
Edwin and Edwina named after him
Or on the eighth a scene
Where law defended
(I was wondering if “law defending” might be a reference to someone defending a tennis title. For instance, it sounds like
Dorothy Green
defended her title in 1913. “Green law”…? Dunno. The globes in the sky of Image 1, or details like the yin/yang, could indicate tennis balls.)
Between two arms extended
Perhaps these two paths, near the courts, with a palm tree between them.
Waits the fair remuneration
White house close at hand
This is near the white house.
“Fay” means “Fair” (eg, as in fays, fair folk). If you have “fair remuneration”, then you’re
“square”
. Therefore, Lafayette Square.
(Maybe this explains the dragon’s head in the New Orleans pic.)
Embedded in the sand
That’s the palm tree I mean on the left. Actually looks a bit sandy. (?)

erexere

The line is from this book(1967):
https://www.ebay.com/i/222842208577?chn=ps
The thing that gets me about Booth is his not being a good association with Africa.

When you think about it, Edward Blyden is also not a great link to Africa. I did a lot of research on this when I started taking a critical look at the “established” pairing of V6 for Charleston…. Blyden only visited SC once, and there’s no record/monument to his visit except for this one letter, which quotes a newspaper article. Moreover, he was a founder of the Pan-African movement, which basically advocated for reverse immigration, sending freed slaves back to Liberia. Although most of these ships left from Baltimore, known as “Freedom’s Port”, there’s no Blyden monuments in that city either.
Regarding V6, I would (respectfully) argue that WhiteRabbit’s connection of Edwin Booth to San Francisco is a much stronger possibility for these lines than Is Edward Blyden.

Anyone have pics of Lafayette Park in SF, in particular the area adjacent to the tennis court? Satellite images appear to show an area of “sand”. Thoughts on “two arms extended”?

erexere

Something important to consider might be the level of sophistication that the Fair Folk would be expected to use in their puzzles. I think there’s going to be a balance of simplicity mixed in with some trickery. The reference simple things like romance of birds and the sound and coolness of water. It’s basically meta knowledge for us to talk about RLS or detailed historic references. When they mention long palms shadow, that could easily be derived as their words for a lighthouse next another lighthouse.

yes if the fair folk wrote this hunt that would be something to consider, shouldn’t we be instead looking at BP?

JamesV, I understand your argument, except it fails on the opening statement that Blyden doesn’t link to Africa. We do k ow the Charleston puzzle is linked to that culture of origin, so that commonality is at least something to begin with on understanding the nature of the reference.
I don’t believe it’s required to determine it’s about Blyden in the first place. Jumping to the need to identify a monument or establishing his connection to Charleston is premature. The Edwin and Edwina being named after him line might onlyhave a simple purpose: “a twin” and “a twin”, which I think fits well for the side by side lighthouse pair at Cape Romaine. I’m prompted by the subject of lighthouses after delving into RLS’sstrong family the to lighthouse building.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/645 … Stevensons
Many of the Secret lines her us to take a trip down the road of obscurity. At some point we’re going to have to wonder how far is reasonable. Is RLS’s family background any more obscure than Booths or Biden’s for that matter?

erexere

Many of the Secret lines her us to take a trip down the road of obscurity. At some point we’re going to have to wonder how far is reasonable. Is RLS’s family background any more obscure than Booths or Biden’s for that matter?

Fair point! I probably should’ve said something like, “Edward Blyden is more likely to be associated with his life’s work, helping freed slaves emigrate back to Africa, which goes against the book’s theme of immigration towards the New World.”

Pardon my typo. I meant Blyden not Biden.
I should say it’s fair to consider V6 for SF, but only long enough to realize V7 pairs better. Then we can get back to wherever the scurvy dawg Joe Blyden buried his treasure….

Great pic!…Okay. Trying to connect the dots here. I happen to agree with White Rabbit regarding Lafayette Park as the burial site. The last six lines make logical sense and there are some great image confirmers that support it including the Victorian drinking fountain and “the bar that binds”. The RLS memorial in Portsmouth square seems like the most logical starting spot. Love the idea of the waves and water fountain to go with the RLS reference at the beginning. That picture says it all.
Two ways I see it:
1) There could be different ‘paths’ to the park with the “or” basically telling us there is more way than one. For example, Portsmouth square via Clay/Washington (Washington = freedom at birth of a century?) or Bush street (Edwin booth plaque) to Octavia “the eighth”. The weakness to this theory is that someone in 1982 would have to figure out that the Edwin Booth plaque was the starting point. Not impossible, but ?needle in a haystack. The second “or” wouldn’t add up either.
2) all the Lines are a city walk through (similar to Milwaukee): Start in Portsmouth square to Grant/Kearny to Bush Street to Octavia to LaFayette Park. Can’t seem to make the connection with “birth of a century” to Grant/Kearny though.
This is a tricky one.

JamesV

When you think about it, Edward Blyden is also not a great link to Africa. I did a lot of research on this when I started taking a critical look at the “established” pairing of V6 for Charleston…. Blyden only visited SC once, and there’s no record/monument to his visit except for this one letter, which quotes a newspaper article. Moreover, he was a founder of the Pan-African movement, which basically advocated for reverse immigration, sending freed slaves back to Liberia. Although most of these ships left from Baltimore, known as “Freedom’s Port”, there’s no Blyden monuments in that city either.
Regarding V6, I would (respectfully) argue that WhiteRabbit’s connection of Edwin Booth to San Francisco is a much stronger possibility for these lines than Is Edward Blyden.

Agreed. Question now is how do we make the verses work? I think this is close to a solution. One other thought about the Edwin Booth plaque, if we start at Portsmouth square, how would one get to Bush street with the verses provided? The May 1913 reference always bothered me. I always felt like May 1913 was a marker on a plaque or monument.

I thought the Edwin Booth idea was rendered obsolete since the E. Wilmot Blyden link was discovered.

Or May 1913
Mayor in 1913

erexere

Or May 1913
Mayor in 1913

Where does this lead us though?

erexere

I thought the Edwin Booth idea was rendered obsolete since the E. Wilmot Blyden link was discovered.

It’s an interesting point. I have always tried to use Wikipedia cautiously in these hunts and ask what reasonable information was available in 1982. In both cases, the information is a bit difficult to find even by google/Wikipedia standards, specifically May 1913/formation of actors union and Edward Blyden’s kids names. My guess is the former may have been more attainable only because one could have linked ‘Edwin’ to Edwin Booth then found more information on him. The best way to answer this question would be to get a 1982 edition of Encyclopedia Britannica and see what it’s in there. Anyone have an old copy lying around?

Mayor John P. Grace. Grace Memorial Bridge in Charleston is my guess. That points us in the direction of Sullivan Island or even the twin lighthouses on Cape Romain. Itrs an idea anyway. “or may” for “mayor” is just a gut instinct sort of guess.

The line is from this book(1967):
https://www.ebay.com/i/222842208577?chn=ps
The thing that gets me about Booth is his not being a good association with Africa.

Something important to consider might be the level of sophistication that the Fair Folk would be expected to use in their puzzles. I think there’s going to be a balance of simplicity mixed in with some trickery. The reference simple things like romance of birds and the sound and coolness of water. It’s basically meta knowledge for us to talk about RLS or detailed historic references. When they mention long palms shadow, that could easily be derived as their words for a lighthouse next another lighthouse.

davinci4

It’s an interesting point. I have always tried to use Wikipedia cautiously in these hunts and ask what reasonable information was available in 1982.

The Common Knowledge Fallacy
It is important to remember that the knowledge of this hunt does NOT need to be commonly available or easy to access.
There is only 1 criteria for the esoteric knowledge contained in this hunt.
Did Byron Priess know it? That is it.
Was it in a book on his bookshelf, did he learn about it in school or elsewhere – no way of telling.
For all we know Byron Priess wrote a book report in High School on
Sarmiento’s Travels in the U.S. in 1847

boogieman

Nowhere in this forum has anyone said Philly is “out”.  V6 only screams Philly.  What was the first place you thought of when you first seen this “Secret”?  Go with it, your probably right.  Red herrings are red herrings.  Com’n lads!

I have seen nothing obvious for any of these. The closest obvious is the new orleans mask, and we’re still not sure of that!
wilhouse

As a 15-year resident of Philadelphia, I’m with Egbert; I spent years trying to find the local site matching Image 4, only to sit back and applaud when it turned out to be in Cleveland.  Since then, I’ve tried to match other images to Philadelphia, but I’ve been swayed by suggestions that point to other cities.
Obviously, I will be a willing volunteer to assist anyone with Philadelphia leads.

Slightly new look at the verses…
Only focusing on the first line, as it, in most(?)
instances draw us directly to what BP wanted
us to concentrate on…
“Romance Retold” in google brings uo
a solid two winners in this search..
“Quest for the Holy Grail”
“Treasure Island” (long john silver)

I’m inclined to condem the New York location, along with image 12 which doesnt look at all like Manhattan to me, but rookhunters approach intrigues me.  I’d like to understand better what kind of approach anyone thinks is appropriiate for any of the other verses.  I dint think Cleveland and Chicago solution knowledge has been enough for us to know what will work for the other casques.  Empiricism does have its limitations.

cw0909

i accidentally posted this in V-5, and at the moment it wont let me delete it, ill try again later
just throwing it out there, unless there is a connection found for the line
Edwin and Edwina named after him, in city park, the line wont work, and
the sculpture, prob wasnt there in 80-81, just thought it fit the line
v-6,Below the bar that binds
http://goo.gl/maps/0FrkF
http://goo.gl/maps/Di9He

This seems like a conglomerate of thoughts on V5, V6, I2 and I7… Who’s mixed up? Me or you

i accidentally posted this in V-5, and at the moment it wont let me delete it, ill try again later
just throwing it out there, unless there is a connection found for the line
Edwin and Edwina named after him, in city park, the line wont work, and
the sculpture, prob wasnt there in 80-81, just thought it fit the line
v-6,Below the bar that binds
http://goo.gl/maps/0FrkF
http://goo.gl/maps/Di9He

So doing some thinking about the  “embedded in the sand” line…walking around WPG, it never really felt like sand, more like shell/rock (but other places, outside of the peninsula area for example, are sandy, or if you dig down about a foot or so you reach solid sand), but I wasn’t sure. Taking that BP (or a possible tour guide?) would have been on soil, or ground that was mostly sand, to call it sandy soil. So to verify I started checking this out. I came across this map. I still think the casque is in this area, but I’m really not sure that the area of the peninsula (especially the tip with WPG) is considered “sandy”. Is this enough to question the location based on its sand makeup? Just thinking….what does anyone think?
Also, I found this map that outlines the historic district of the peninsula…depressing.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Freedom at birth of a century… maybe not literally birth or start of a century… maybe just in years. 1863 to 1963 is known as the century of emancipation. Thoughts??
Regards,
Mac

fox

I would have to agree with falcon here.  That would indeed be a very weak link

i said a stretch, and im thinking V-1, sorry short on time now will get back to why
i hope soon

cw0909

Of all the romances retold men of tales and tunes cruel and bold seen here by eyes of old
Eyebar suspension

So you are suggesting we ignore the Robert Louis Stevenson connection, the Treasure Island connection and 18 out of 19 words to concentrate on the word eyes, and that equals (not the name of ) but a type of bridge.  You are right I think its a stretch.

You keep saying this:
“We now know the first 5 lines are illudeing either to the Muny theater or the Pagoda Band Shell. “
I keep asking how specifically the first 5 lines allude to the Muny Theater or the Pagoda Band Shell.  I’m not trying to rain on your parade, But like Forest Blight asked about the Rectangle on the image 1 dress resembling Golden Gate Park, He said “Convince me.” I think i did a pretty good job of stating my case, if your argument is sound it will stand up to examination. So Convince me….

I would have to agree with falcon here.  That would indeed be a very weak link

caesar1812

So pair that little nugget with the line that references edwin and edwina.  The greatest American stage actor is Edwin Booth, brother of assassin John Wilkes Booth.  Guess what – Edwin (his son) and Edwina(his  grandaughter) dedicated a statue in his honor in Gramercy Park in NYC in the early 1900’s.  Why was this statue placed in Gramercy Park?  Well, that would be because Edwin Booth lived for decades on the park, until his death in 1893.  In fact, Edwin founded the original “Players Club” and it was located on the southern border of the park.  Because actors and artisits were so looked down upon in the 19th century, Booth created a “high-class” destination for his ilk.  Guess who designed the Players Club for Booth – Stanford White.  One of the most famous of American architects, White redesigned most of the surrounding edifices on Gramercy Park.  Thus, “white house close at hand”.  Monuments and plaques in the area readily attest to it.  BTW, did I mention that the Gramercy area was settled exclusively by the English?  It is the area of NYC most connected to the English.  Now, consider the lines about birds and water.  Gramercy has always been legendary as a sanctuary for birds in the city and famous as a bird-watching spot.  The fountain is a little iffy for me though.  I have found historical references to fountains in the park, but do not know if there was one in ’81.

OK Trohn, I get it now.  Sorry.
edit: Are we tying in to another link to Lincoln?

Doc,
Do you know if Renner got this? I’d love to see where this theory goes. Good work!
Also, I’m a bit unclear…can you explain your “freedom at the birth of a century” part? What was your meaning for “freedom”?

I remember the email, it did say not in central park but this is not really in central park. I also will remind everyone BP was a trickster and wasn’t really helping.
Good job Doc!

DocZ

I am still waiting to see the exact wording of
how
he said it was not in Central Park.

Unknown

Unknown:
here is an email from BP to FRSTPRZFA which she forwarded to me concerning a possible casque location in Central Park.
—————————————————–
From:
To:
Subject: Re: Sorry to bother you.
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 8:08 PM
there is no treasure in central park

From P9 of this thread…

DocZ

It was so painful reading 39 pages of posts to make sure nobody had already come up with my solution.
In any case, I know the location, and it IS IN CENTRAL PARK!!!!
(Really just at the outskirts. Does anyone have the quote from BP where he said it was not in the park, because I would bet that the quote, like the verses, is open to interpretation and intended to mislead.
If there is someone in New York who has the opportunity to dig, I will share the solution via private message if they promise to take pictures and share the credit with me in the documentary that is being made.
Once we have the key, I will share the solution with the rest of the board.
Andrew
PM me at zahalsky@hotmail

not sure if it was Egbert that emailed BP about central park, Egbert says BP, says not in cp here
viewtopic.php?p=18228&sid=2670e2e005d3dc4374d3b4bee59962a0#p18228

Unknown

Unknown:
Re: New York the Secret
Sent: Sun Jul 20, 2014 4:41 am
From: fox
To: DocZ
I don’t believe I had that quote in an email. I remember that being said but I think I may have read it in the threads. I may be wrong though. I’m having trouble opening my email on my PC so I can’t search my messages.
fox
Adler

cw0909,
In the link that you just posted, it was fox who stated in 2004 that he was the one who was told that it was not in Central Park.
I tried to contact him directly for the actual quote as soon as I registered. I received this private message:
So now he is saying he just heard it somewhere in the threads. But I can’t find anyone else that claimed to have heard that directly from BP.
I am not doubting it was said. I am doubting that what was said is as clear cut / not open to interpretation as we were led to believe.

docZ, ill look, im almost sure it was a posted email, and no im not sure who made the post
it may take some time as the search function dosent work like it use to

I am even more convinced about my Verse 6 solution than about my Verse 7 solution.
I gave this location first to Mr. Renner who is doing the documentary.
If anyone is so convinced that they run out to this location before he does, please take photos/video and report
back, so you don’t screw up the documentary.
Verse #6
Of all the romance retold
Men of tales and tunes
Cruel and bold
Seen here
Refers to Broadway Musicals in New York City. Start someplace on Broadway
By eyes of old
I’ll get back to this one. It becomes clear later in the verse.
Stand and listen to the birds
Lots of pigeons on statues. There is a monument in the center of Columbus Circle, where Broadway intersects 8th Avenue and 59th Street. (That is not the correct place. But it is on the way, so lets go there first to work it out and see if the solution becomes more obvious.)
Hear the cool, clear song of water.
Oops, no fountain at the monument on Columbus Circle. But what is that right across the street at the southwest entrance to Central Park? A monument with fountains on it? Yes! Let’s cross the street and look at the USS Maine National Monument. To link it with the picture representing New York (Image #12), look in the wave just to the right of the crest and foam, I think you can see a horse’s head. It could look like one of these guys at the top of the Monument:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uS8W-5IYD7Q/T … C-001b.jpg
Harken to the words:
Freedom at the birth of a century
The USS Maine explosion occurred February 15, 1898. Pretty close to the turn of a century.
Or May 1913
The USS Maine National Monument was dedicated May 30, 1913
Edwin and Edwina named after him
This is a quote from a book about someone named Edward. But it does not have to refer to THAT book or THAT Edward. Instead, it refers to the building at 2 Columbus Circle designed by the famous architect EDWARD Durrell Stone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_Columbus_Circle
We are still in the right place.
Or on the eighth a scene
Where are we again? The intersection of Broadway, with EIGHTH Avenue and 59th Street. We are still in the right place.
Now I will explain “By eyes of old”: One side of the USS Maine National Monument has a young figure representing the Pacific Ocean (discovered later), the other side has an old figure, representing the Atlantic Ocean (known to European explorers first).  The verse is indicating to go toward the side of the monument with the older figure.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-s0uoyFdHx24/T … C-051b.jpg
Where law defended
Between two arms extended
Now here is where it gets tricky. There are actually 3 figures on this monument who have two arms extended. In the front are a young boy named Victory and a woman named Courage. In the back is a woman named Justice. Justice is more likely to be a defender of law. Also, old Atlantic Ocean is looking backwards at Justice, not forwards towards Victory and Courage. So Justice is seen here by eyes of old.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QsoMLAftHM8/T … aine+2.jpg
Below the bar that binds
There is a plaque is on the monument between the old Atlantic Ocean figure and the rear facing Justice. Several copies of this plaque were stamped out and affixed to several USS Maine memorials across the country. This is a metal bar that binds all the USS Maine monuments together.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … 111%29.JPG
You can see where the plaque is positioned on the monument by doing Google Maps Street View at the coordinates:  40.768326, -73.980871
(By the way, the Google Maps Coordinates for this location is: 40.768326, -73.980871  That is pretty darned close to the coordinates of 41, 74 indicated by Image #12)
Beside the long palm’s shadow
Justice has her right hand partially clenched and her left hand more open.  Her left/our right is the long palm.   That is the side closer to the old Atlantic Ocean figure, and to the plaque too.  So it all fits.  Alternatively, the leaf on the plaque is a long palm leaf and may be the long palm.   Either way, we want to know what is below that plaque.
What about the figures with outstretched arms in front? Victory has both hands clenched.  Courage has both hands open.  The phrase long palm does not distinguish which side to dig on, if you are looking at the front figures.
Embedded in the sand
Now here is the clincher. Go back to the Street View on Google Maps at coordinates 40.768326, -73.980871 and look down.
What do you know??  They made a sandy spot at the rear of the monument instead of having the marble sidewalks go all the way around!!!!
Waits the Fair remuneration
Here is where the prize is. Dig in the sand under the plaque in between Justice and the Atlantic Ocean.
White house close at hand.
A distractor to make you think of Washington DC. The building 262 Central Park West is also known as the White House. We are at the southwest corner of Central Park, not too far from the building.
As for those who say that BP said it was not in Central Park:
I am still waiting to see the exact wording of
how
he said it was not in Central Park.
Certainly, he is good at phrasing things in a less than clear manner to obscure the true locations. The sandy patch I speak of has a low wall that separates it from Central Park proper. Maybe BP considered that area, sometimes called Merchant’s Gate Plaza, to be its own entity and not really “part” of Central Park.

I previously suggested Lafayette Park, but perhaps the whole verse could simply be about Clay St. The RLS memorial, the old Adelphi where Booth once performed, and Lafayette (“on the eighth”/Octavia “a scene where law defended”/court) are all on Clay, linked to the Emancipation Proclamation. Listen to the birds…Larkin St…? But the casque could be on yet another Clay park; say, Sue Bierman, formerly Ferry.
I never understood the “or”s. This makes a bit more sense to me; different places along the street.

Spiritr

how about “Fair remuneration” ? what do you suggest that is?

Hard to say. I think earlier in this thread someone had already analyzed the specific word choice of “remuneration”, which basically means money paid in exchange for work done or a service performed. “Fair remuneration” then, might have something to do with some kind of local protest/demonstration dealing with pay equity issues? Who knows, maybe there’s some kind of labor union or similar building/monument alongside the final dig site?

JamesV

WhiteRabbit posted a ton of good info on his I1/V6 theory in both of these threads. While I think the Portsmouth Square/RLS starting point looks correct, I’ve got a slightly different perspective on Verse 6. I’ve been very fortunate to have the opportunity to spend most of this last year in a full-time language program for Mandarin, and I strongly suspect that V6 might be making a few references to the history of Chinese immigrants in the US.
“Freedom at the birth of a century” sounds like it could be a reference to China’s Boxer Rebellion. (1900).
“Or on the eighth a scene / Where law defended” could have something to do with:
1– US Code, Title 8, which deals with Aliens and Immigration. This could be some kind of reference to the Chinese Exclusion Act, which wasn’t repealed until 1943; or
2– The 8th Amendment to the US Constitution, which prohibits “cruel and unusual punishment.” Going down this road, I found a lot of references to San Francisco’s discriminatory “Pigtail Ordinance”, which basically required Chinese immigrant prisoners to have their queue hairstyles shaved at the jail for “sanitary reasons.” This ordinance was enacted in 1870, but ruled unconstitutional in 1879.
Building links to either one of these ideas would have required the reader to do a little research, unless there just happened to be conveniently-placed historical markers along the walking route? Pretty hard to tell from just Internet sleuthing, though.

how about “Fair remuneration” ? what do you suggest that is?
and what does Mandarin have anything to do with the history of Chinese immigrants?

He ruled out Central Park, but Washington Square Park is still a possibility I think.

I have narrowed the spot to dig at washington square park down to an area just west of the haning tree that is in the northwewst corner of the park, the two arms extended= two arm of the tree ….
below the bar that binds= the rail around the tree by walkway
beside the long palm shadow=where shadow of tree crosses the railing toward the house location
white house close at hand= there used to be a house just west of the tree
i hope this helps someone go and dig it up. i would like to see that happen

Didnt BP specifically rule out Manhattan?
Im pretty sure he did? Anybody remember?

Hey guys,
Turtle123456 and I believe we have made a discovery. Over the last few days we studied the 1967 movie “Barefoot in the Park”. One scene in the movie has a great look at Washington Square Park. While studying that scene Turtle had a revelation. Although the movie wasn’t needed to reach this revelation it turned out to be the trigger for a solution.
We were certain of Washington Square Park being the park where a casque was buried. The verse lines “Stand and listen to the birds” and “Hear the cool, clear sound of water” in combination with other lines put us in this park with the fountain. But we had not narrowed these three lines:
Between two arms extended
Below the bar that binds
Beside the long palm’s shadow
We were starting to think that either the park may have changed too much to find these lines or some hunters were needed in the park to find what was not being found in pictures. So, here is what we have.
There are two monuments/ statues in the park. The
one we are focusing
on is for Alexander Holley. We looked at pictures of this statue many times before, but never looked close enough or gave it much attention, until now.
Between two arms extended
The monument has two upright posts standing to each side of Holley. These are the extended arms. They are extended away from the main pedestal. At the top of each post is a palm leaf pattern.
Below the bar that binds
There is a wall connecting the pedestal and the two satellite posts. This should be the bar. The wall holds/ binds the arms to the main column.
Beside the long palm’s shadow
This one is really fun! If you look at the pattern just below the bust you will see a strong sculpted
palm leaf
. There is a palm leaf on each of the
four sides
of the
pedestal
. Because the column is somewhat slender and tall this would be the long palm. As opposed to the two shorter “palms” on each side.
So, where would we dig? So far we have “Between” the outside posts, “Below” the connecting wall and “Beside” the main pedestal’s shadow. The most logical spot seems to
directly behind
the middle of the monument. There is only a short distance from the structure to normal park ground behind the monument. It is an ideal spot for a shovel. A far second choice may be centered out in front of the monument past the wide base. Because of a much further distance from the monument, this doesn’t seem likely to me.
The area behind the monument was
usually
covered in dirt or grass. Changes to the area have included covering the
whole area in asphalt
. So, a dig would be a little more involved. We are searching for a date when the dirt was
covered in asphalt
. Although we are sure this area had to be dirt covered in 1982, it would be nice to know when the asphalt was added
around the monument
.
As Boogieman mentioned earlier there is a plan for a
major renovation
of
Washington Square Park
. This construction includes relocating the Holley Monument. Today, the monument sits with its back towards the fountain. The new design has moved Holley more to the northwest. This complete park renovation is currently held up in
court battles
. If the renovation continues soon we may need to move quickly. I figure the renovation could be anywhere from the ideal time to coordinate a dig with the parks department to being the worst time to get permission for a dig. It seems to me the best time to dig is before the
renovation even starts
.
Turtle and I may be too far from New York to effectively coordinate a dig. It would be great, and completely fine with us if someone closer to New York wanted to take on making plans for a dig in the park. Would anyone in the New York area be interested in helping coordinate things at the park?

Francis Scott Key wrote the Star Spangled Banner during the  war of 1812 in Baltimore harbor, MD while being held captive aboard a british Man of War, which was shelling Fort McHenry.

I’m new to the hunt, so please bear with me — but I was working on two different approaches to Verse 6, and — should you guys come up empty handed, part of what I have so far may be something to consider (assuming some re-arranging of the way lines are divided):
(Just so you know — My answer for the hinted at location is Jackson Park, Chicago, IL, built on the old World Fair Grounds, and where a small replica of the Daniel Chester French statue “Republic” stands with arms outstretched.)
My almost complete line-by-line breakdown of the verses is this:
Men of tales and tunes cruel and bold seen here by eyes of old — Historical Gangters
Stand and listen to the Bird’s — Charley “Yardbird” Parker was a famous jazz muscician of the Chicago
Hear the song of cool, clean water — this is a double reference and a joke:  a replica of Su Song’s ancient Chinese water clock is in the Chicago Museum of Science.  Also, Muddy Waters was another great muscician in Chicago
Harken to the words: Freedom (There  is the Chicago Freedom Movement started by Dr. Martin Luther King.)
at the birth of a century or (not quite sure what to make of this line — so many options)
May — Chicago May was the name of a turn of the century crime queen living in the city’s high society
1913 Edwin (Hubble) — and Edwin A(ldrin) named after him — Hubble spent time at the Chicago observatory starting in 1914, before which he was a lawyer, much later Buzz Aldrin then went to the moon, but I have not been able to conclusively prove one was named after the other, or both were named after someone else.
On the Eigth a scene where law defended — the trial of the Chicago 8 turned into the Trial of the Chicago 7 when the case was declared a mis-trial for one of the defendants
Between two arms extended — I wasn’t really taking this seriously until I saw the picture of the Republic statue
Below the bar that binds Besides the long palm’s shadow — the statue is holding up a bar-shaped plaque with the word “Liberty” on it, bound by a long wreath of palmetto leaves
Embedded in the sand — check the sandy area
Waites the Fair remuneration — Chicago’s World Fair was held here, mostly on modified landfill
White house close at hand — there is one building still on site left from that Fair (now a nearby museum), which at the time was called “The White City”
I have more stuff, using another method that I am working on Excell graph sheets with, and I will post that as soon as I get things in order.  Meanwhile, I do hope that the trip to NY isn’t wasted (it seems too big a city to pass by for this hunt, according to my common sense feelings…I guess with my luck I shall either be spot on for major parts of this hunt, or wandering amoung the daisies for a while longer.
)
(Of course, what was interesting about this is that someone Just Today (TM) kindly pointed out to me the Chicago location was found long ago — which can be a fascinating study in how close I can get to something by working on incorrectly percieved info!)

I’m new to the hunt, so please bear with me — but I was working on two different approaches to Verse 6, and — should you guys come up empty handed, part of what I have so far may be something to consider (assuming some re-arranging of the way lines are divided):
(Just so you know — My answer for the hinted at location is Jackson Park, Chicago, IL, built on the old World Fair Grounds, and where a small replica of the Daniel Chester French statue “Republic” stands with arms outstretched.)
My almost complete line-by-line breakdown of the verses is this:
Men of tales and tunes cruel and bold seen here by eyes of old — Historical Gangters
Stand and listen to the Bird’s — Charley “Yardbird” Parker was a famous jazz muscician of the Chicago
Hear the song of cool, clean water — this is a double reference and a joke:  a replica of Su Song’s ancient Chinese water clock is in the Chicago Museum of Science.  Also, Muddy Waters was another great muscician in Chicago
Harken to the words: Freedom (There  is the Chicago Freedom Movement started by Dr. Martin Luther King.)
at the birth of a century or (not quite sure what to make of this line — so many options)
May — Chicago May was the name of a turn of the century crime queen living in the city’s high society
1913 Edwin (Hubble) — and Edwin A(ldrin) named after him — Hubble spent time at the Chicago observatory starting in 1914, before which he was a lawyer, much later Buzz Aldrin then went to the moon, but I have not been able to conclusively prove one was named after the other, or both were named after someone else.
On the Eigth a scene where law defended — the trial of the Chicago 8 turned into the Trial of the Chicago 7 when the case was declared a mis-trial for one of the defendants
Between two arms extended — I wasn’t really taking this seriously until I saw the picture of the Republic statue
Below the bar that binds Besides the long palm’s shadow — the statue is holding up a bar-shaped plaque with the word “Liberty” on it, bound by a long wreath of palmetto leaves
Embedded in the sand — check the sandy area
Waites the Fair remuneration — Chicago’s World Fair was held here, mostly on modified landfill
White house close at hand — there is one building still on site left from that Fair (now a nearby museum), which at the time was called “The White City”
I have more stuff, using another method that I am working on Excell graph sheets with, and I will post that as soon as I get things in order.  Meanwhile, I do hope that the trip to NY isn’t wasted (it seems too big a city to pass by for this hunt, according to my common sense feelings…I guess with my luck I shall either be spot on for major parts of this hunt, or wandering amoung the daisies for a while longer.
)
[/what pic goes the verse

…so yeah, recapping it in order:
Of all the romance retold
Men of tales and tunes
Cruel and bold
Seen here
By eyes of old
Treasure Island -> Florida
Stand and listen to the birds
Dunno
Hear the cool, clear song of water
Harken to the words:
Resembles “The brook sings” from “The Water Babies” by Charles Kingsley:
Clear and cool, clear and cool,
By laughing shallow, and dreaming pool;
Cool and clear, cool and clear,
By shining shingle, and foaming wear;
etc etc
http://www.recmusic.org/lieder/assemble … cleId=5808
His daughter was called
Rose
. Don’t know how this ties in with anything though.
Freedom at the birth of a century
Or May 1913
Back on track a little, with someone at The White House in
Washington
. (The emancipation proclamation is actually depicted on a statue in another Lafayette Square…the one in New York…not that I’m trying to confuse things…)
http://www.buffaloah.com/a/lafsq/index.html
Edwin and Edwina named after him
Washington
St. which runs past this place.
Or on the eighth a scene
Where law defended
I’m guessing this might be referring to a tennis match, or other game.
Between two arms extended
Between those two paths…
Below the bar that binds
Below a coconut…? Coconut bar…? The husks are used to make coir for binding. Don’t palms have coconuts? Dunno much about palms.
Beside the long palm’s shadow
Embedded in the sand
Waits the Fair remuneration
Your reward, the casque, buried in the soil near the palm tree…
White house close at hand.
…which is near that white house.
QED
Looks like they’ll be refurbing the place this year.

so dig where?

Beside the long palm’s shadow
Embedded in the sand
Somewhere near the palm I guess.

Golden Gate Park Conservatory of Flowers
http://www.flickr.mud.yahoo.com/photos/ … 254216163/
“Besides the long palm’s shadow”
“White House close at Hand”
could hand be a play on words…

And an unexplored clue on this verse…
“Harken” an unusual choice for sure.
Shakespeare is the most famous one to use this
term.  And I know that within the Shakespeare
gardens of GGP, there are plaques of his quotes.
still fleshing this out…

WhiteRabbit

Fox and Catherwood were discussing this back in 2003.
http://npg.si.edu/object/npg_NPG.81.M30.D1
As Erexere recently pointed out, the theory fell out of favour after the discovery of the
Abroad in America
references. I have no doubt that BP was aware of these; they’re way beyond coincidence. But I don’t think they’re proof positive.

WhiteRabbit, are you still thinking this verse refers to SF? I always liked the ‘8th’ connection with Octavia in SF. SF also has an 8th ave (at Golden Gate Park) and an 8th Street. The ‘8th’ connection in the Charleston/wiki solution pulls from a library reference and nothing specifically at the proposed burial site. The Edwin reference could definitely be either but the 8th connection in SF seems stronger.

davinci4

WhiteRabbit, are you still thinking this verse refers to SF

I’m open-minded…I still like SF, though Charleston has a lot going for it too, and although it seems unlikely, perhaps it could even turn out to be somewhere else. It seems to me that BP deliberately confused the issue, and we don’t know for sure yet which of the trails is the real one. I think there are several verse/image combinations that are still up in the air, and I’m hoping that at some point some new find will lock one of them down.

Unknown

Unknown:
I’m hoping that at some point some new find will lock one of them down.

Honestly, even if we found 8 more casques, I still think we would argue about the Verse/Image pairing of the last two puzzles. Unfortunately it’s the nature of the puzzle that the only way to know anything for sure is to pull one of these things out of the ground. And even then we have questions, as my exchange with Bingo yesterday showed.
I also don’t think it helps the cause when people used the word “solved” when what they really mean is that they have a theory that they really like, but can’t ultimately prove. I understand why they do it, but IMO, it only serves to distort the reality of the puzzle I mentioned above.
“A little digging is your task.”

maltedfalcon

nah, the golden apple was an entirely different TH

Darn you Cam Kaskgn

I am down a very deep rabbit hole but I am starting to think that the Edwin and Edwina reference may either be a dual reference or not related to Edward Blyden.
Edwin Booth, brother of John Wilkes Booth, and his daughter Edwina were named after the Actor Edwin Forrest.
http://www.npg.si.edu/exh/brady/gallery/81gal.html
Like I said, I am down a rabbit hole with historical references, but the theaters in the old French Quarter seem to be a topic of interest.
…More to come

gManTexas

I am down a very deep rabbit hole but I am starting to think that the Edwin and Edwina reference may either be a dual reference or not related to Edward Blyden.
Edwin Booth, brother of John Wilkes Booth, and his daughter Edwina were named after the Actor Edwin Forrest.
http://www.npg.si.edu/exh/brady/gallery/81gal.html
Like I said, I am down a rabbit hole with historical references, but the theaters in the old French Quarter seem to be a topic of interest.
…More to come

For a lot of time we paired this verse with image 1, as there is an edwin booth memorial

Fox and Catherwood were discussing this back in 2003.
http://npg.si.edu/object/npg_NPG.81.M30.D1
As Erexere recently pointed out, the theory fell out of favour after the discovery of the
Abroad in America
references. I have no doubt that BP was aware of these; they’re way beyond coincidence. But I don’t think they’re proof positive.

Unknown

Unknown:
But I don’t think they’re proof positive.

Like I said WR, mostly sure.

So, either way, the National Portrait Gallery is involved. Isn’t
Abroad in America
an NPG exhibit catalog?

Unknown

Unknown:
Isn’t Abroad in America an NPG exhibit catalog?

It was part of their Bicentennial Exhibit. As someone recently mentioned, the Bicentennial, like Lincoln and F.L. Olmsted, are reoccurring themes throughout the puzzle. But if there is an absolute connection on way or the other, no one has found it yet.

Euhirudinea

It was part of their Bicentennial Exhibit. As someone recently mentioned, the Bicentennial, like Lincoln and F.L. Olmsted, are reoccurring themes throughout the puzzle. But if there is an absolute connection on way or the other, no one has found it yet.

The Bicentennial was a huge event. Many, many things were done related to it. And in 1980 – 1982 it was very recent history. It would almost be impossible to avoid.

Well….that is definitely a theory, of sorts… I’m leaning more toward Charleston on this one though.  I mean, one of the MANY things in this verse that points to a specific area would be Men of Tales and Tunes, both Cruel and Bold; seems pretty close to the story of Porgy and Bess…

Briefly, this is why I think this verse goes to St. Louis:
The first five lines either talk about the STL art museum or a bandshell type structure in the park.
The next two lines direct you to a fountain.
The next six lines give you clues to find the right area of the park
The next five lines are spacific instructions on how to find the casque.
White hous close at hand I do not know.

I just got back from the Forest Park website. The first five lines are likely talking about the World’s Fair Pavilion. Their is a fountain close to the building. I will be updateing my image to verse match thread shortly with an image to verse match that if this turns out to be right will likely be correct.
While we may be getting excited to early if this thinking is correct we can just about eliminate Monreal as the canadian city.
I will write when I can my internet is going in and out.

I know.  After seeing those pics, I am also convinced that Image 4 and Verse 4 lead to Cleveland.

Unknown

Unknown:
lol.  Right next to the Bishop White House is a fountain which eerily looks like the fountain under the centaur in Image 4, which is the picture that most of us believe relates to Philly.

Except that over on the Image 4 board, they seem to have good clues for the city being Cleveland.

How do i become a verified poster?
please help

figbear

Could you elaborate on what you mean by connecting ‘white house’ to something simply slavery related?

I didn’t have a specific place in mind when I made this note. I’m still interested in following the Denmark Vesey line of thinking.

“Stand and listen to the birds”
The original bird flight cage from the 1904 Fair can still be found in the Zoo in Forest Park.
“Between two arms extended”
Also, as I posted in the Image 9 thread, there is a large statue of St. Francis with arms extended in the Jewel Box gardens.  I believe he is surrounded by stone geese, but I’ll have to consult the pictures I took this weekend.
The Jewel Box didn’t have any of their outdoor gardens in bloom yet, so it was hard to say for sure where all of their “flower beds” would be.  I know that digging in these are strictly forbidden by the book, but the statue didn’t appear to be in the middle of one.
I don’t remember anything about a “binding bar”, but I wasn’t focusing on Verse 6 last weekend, so I’ll defer to Johann’s judgement on this one.

http://www.art-stl.com/Publicart.cfm?where=Forest+Park
Here’s a link to a picture of the St. Francis Statue in the park.
It’s about half way down the page.

By golly!  I recently thought about rereading Treasure Island (since early high school) but I have not.
Thank you very much and a tip of the hat to SoonerFan and spacecraft.  I have been all over Forest Park so many times that I almost pitched a tent and stayed.
I have been quiet about St. Louis for so long because I have been stumped.  I’ll pursue these ideas and report on progress.
Again, thanks.

“Waits the Fair remuneration”
The World’s Fair?  There’s a World’s Fair Pavilion,
http://stlouis.missouri.org/citygov/parks/forestpark/pavilion.html
near a building called the Jewel Box (see Image 9 thread).
Here are a couple of good maps:
http://www.st-louis-cvc.com/pdf/maps/forestParkForeverMap.pdf
http://www.st-louis-cvc.com/pdf/maps/forestPark.pdf
The World’s Fair Pavilion has a number of interesting things around it.  Perhaps there’s a sculpture, design, or inscription which you can connect with the verse and/or one of the pics (perhaps Image 9).
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/kempland/forestpark-landscape2.jpg
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/kempland/pavilion-forestpark2.jpg

i mean…if you want to roll with that one…by all means….do it up lol…

i think its going to take an extreme case of convincing for it NOT to be the FORT SUMTER ASSOCIATION BUILDING…

JoshCornell

i think its going to take an extreme case of convincing for it NOT to be the FORT SUMTER ASSOCIATION BUILDING…

or simply finding the casque somewhere else.

UnprovenFact

White house close at hand.
• Personally, I think this last line is a reference to the White House (Washington D.C.) rather than a house that is painted white. Because at any time, the owner could paint the house a different color…

Agreed that it isn’t just a color, but there are other ways to read the word ‘white’. For example, maybe this is Jack White’s house (just as “House of Brown” in Forrest Fenn’s hunt is not the same as “a house of brown”). It could also be the house where white paint is manufactured, or white linens are laundered. If anything, I think this is anything *but* THE White House, if only for that being too obvious a clue.

Unknown

Unknown:
Personally, I think this last line is a reference to the White House (Washington D.C.) rather than a house that is painted white. Because at any time, the owner could paint the house a different color, and this would no longer be relevant.

That’s thinking about it in terms of it being 35 years and still not found. Priess meant for these to be found in a matter a months, the the chances of a house being painted in that time was probably a risk he was willing to take. Even more so if it was a significant landmark type house.

JoshCornell

ive explained all these, at least in relation to the treasure hunt lol. see youtube videos under my name.

This one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6Yu9WG … _&index=21

you know… if the first few lines are guiding us to pirates… this could be the Charleston pirate house.
Of all the romance retold
Men of tales and tunes
Cruel and bold
on the front of the house, which borders St. Phillips church cemetery, is a prominent anchor. this could be cueing us what to look for for the last lines which, shecrab mentions, could quite possibly be about an anchor
Seen here
prominently in front of that cemetery is a sign that Edward Rutledge, signer of the declaration of independence, is buried within.
By eyes of old
…just thoughts.

Edward Teach the pirate got his boat stuck on a bar just outside of charleston.  He was given a royal pardon shortly thereafter but had another go at piracy anyways.  Could that be what is meant by ‘freedom at the birth of a century?’ or Freedom Park? Fort Macon?
cool, clear song of water = sound, “Core Sound”?  using the alliteration and idea that a core is something that is often referred to in terms of temperature.
between two arms extended = cape, if one wears a cape and reaches out their arms it is certainly between them.
I’m starting to get a feel for Harkers Island.  I don’t see anyone else has suggested that yet.  It isn’t far from Charleston.

These aren’t the right kind anyway–the “palms” of these anchors are not different sizes, and they’re not the old style–these are giant Naval ship anchors. STill, there are anchors all over the place. That’s both good AND bad when you’re looking for a square foot of soil.
However–following the rest of the clues, there ought to be a white house and sand nearby. That ought to narrow down things a bit.
The park was begun in 1975–I don’t know what had been done by 1980, but there is a five-year span that allows for time to do something. I think we need to explore this place.
Looking at the image again, I noted a few things:
There is an evergreen branch with the Pear hanging from it, the branch goes from left to right, above the five-sided “clock” figure, to the fairy. This pretty much describes the general geographical situation of the Pearman bridge, being north of Fort Sumter, and slightly to the left. You may also note that the patterns on the fairy’s wings are not symmetrical, and if you look at a map, some of the shapes resemble the islands: Drum Island and Sullivan’s Island, and of course, Fort Sumter, but also the island where Castle Pinckney is (which is a circular fort–there are circular shapes on the lower wings, too). The Fairy has her arms linked with her hands clasped in the middle, which would describe how the bridge from the City of Charleston crosses over to Point Pleasant, and she also has her feet crossed. I think this is telling us something:
CROSS the Harbor ON THE FERRY, or the FERRY CROSSES the harbor. Note also that the wings are basically blue with brown and black masses and white edges–sort of like brown and black masses of land in the ocean, bordered by white sand beaches.
Now the Pearman bridge is no more–it was removed and replaced with the Arthur Ravenal Bridge. However, the location has not changed–only the bridge itself. In fact, there were TWO bridges that crossed to Point Pleasant that were replaced by the one Ravenal bridge: the Pearman bridge, and the Grace Memorial bridge. Of the two, the Pearman bridge was the more simple silhouette–very closely resembling the arms of the fairy in shape.
At any rate, I think these things are worth noting–because this, in my opinion, is the way this puzzle is constructed. Besides the obvious map of Charleston harbor, plus the correct latitude and longitude and the “African” theme in general, there is no real trickery beyond a simple pun on the word Fairy(ferry) and suggestions of shape with the arms, the wing designs, the colors and the (fort Sumter) clock–and a pointed suggestion with the “crossed” feet–for one to CROSS the bay.
Oh, and there’s one more thing: On very old maps, Charleston Harbor is marked with a prominent note: across the mouth of the bay is written “CHARLESTON BAR”. That’s for the sandbar that “trapped” ships  at low tide. The “bar that binds?” Perhaps.
My opinion only.

Did you know that there is a Blyden Branch Library
in Norfolk, VA…named for Edward Wilmot Blyden?
…opened in July of 1921…
Just searching…..
AP

FB,
You may be right..If BP were enamored of the book “Abroad in America”…and used it
as a handbook of clues, he may have known about Edwin Harleston and used the
duplicate facts to confound the hunt.
AP

Maybe—maybe….but if I’ve learned anything about this book, it’s that we can’t discount anything, FB. Maybe it’s Blyden–and maybe it’s Harleston!  It can be EITHER. And the funny thing is that they BOTH point to CHARLESTON–the difference is that Harleston actually lived there and worked there, and Blyden only visited. The family home and artifacts are still present from Harleston–there is almost nothing that ever showed Blyden even
visited
except that quote from Sarmiento.
And as pointed as the Sarmiento quote may be, (and I cannot deny it is,) remember that we have done quite a search in New Orleans as well–and nothing that has anything to do with THAT quote was even close to showing us a casque. So I’m not willing to put all my eggs in one Sarmiento basket (or basquet? LOL)  The quotes are nice confirmers, but beyond that, what are they? If a definitive connection could be found between Blyden and Charleston BESIDES THE VISIT ITSELF, then I’d be willing to agree with it. So far, however, there hasn’t been one found.
I’m keeping an open mind until something more definitive is found.

I did a
Google book search
for “bar that binds” and I got some hits relating to gates:
“To lift the bar that binds Achilles’ gates!” – Homer’s
Iliad
“and massive as the iron bar That binds a castle-gateway”
“the crystal bar that binds the gates of paradise”
Just tossing that out there.

shecrab

Just had a sort of breakthrough on this verse, from noodling around doing research, and thought I ought to share it with you all.
I know from posts about it here that May 1913 might refer to the donation of the USS Maine’s capstan to Charleston for display (first) in Hampton Park and (second) White Point Gardens.

I don’t know if verse 6 is right for Charleston, but your comment here made me think about image 2:
USS Maine == Lions Mane

The last three lines seem to br specific to the defunct lighthouse that isnt lit.  Its embedded in the sand, it waits to be lit (fairy muneration = sparkling light).

Unknown

Unknown:
Yes it did, Its to the left of his face/hat Under the castle outlined by the “crane” it is Illinois in reverse.

Oooh, I really doubt that’s it. It’s only a little suggestive of IL, but when you compare them side-to-side, they don’t match at all. Whereas Ohio is exact.

It’s as exact as the map of lousiana in image 5

Reading the lines of verse 6:
“Between two arms extended
Below the bar that binds
Beside the long palm’s shadow”
(Don’t you like BP’s use of the 3 B’s there?)
Looking at Washington Park…
It is surrounded by Meeting St.,
Broad St., Chalmers St., and
Church St….all of which seem
to have references made by either
verse or image.
There are multiple iron gates leading
into the park. (We could definitely use more
and better photos of ALL of the gates..
Google does not cover all streets…)
This gate has interesting supports…or “arms”extending…
“below the bar that binds.” (the cross piece over the gate,
which also has the curls like the butterfly lady’s wings.)
Do all of the gates have these “arms”?
You would have to walk “between” these “arms” to get
into the park…and walk “below the bar that binds”.
The Obelisk in the center of the park is certainly
the monument in image 2, with the “border” around it,
as Jstarr showed.
And if you are looking at the statue of Washington, notice that one palm tree is
all alone and taller..(to the left at the back.)
It would cast a distinct shadow.  I would like to see the ground around
that “long palm’s shadow”.
It appears that there are plaques on the wall around the inside of the park.
Do they hold clues? Areas of this park would be secluded and easier for
BP to dig…maybe by the wall.
Just throwing out these observations….
AP

Believe it or not…I’m still not sure that that is representation of the obelisk on the lion’s head.  The ‘image’ continues around with an arc making it look like an:
n
or a:
h
.
Maybe if when looking at the obelisk from a certain angle there is a building or something else behind the obelisk and to the viewer’s right that would complete the ‘n’ or ‘h’?

Fox,
Perhaps the arch of the trees on either side of the obelisk is suggested.
AP

Hi, just found this site the other day. First of all I love all of the work that you have all done. I still have some reading to do. I have been doing a lot of research for Charleston. Something I have noted is that there are a lot of archaeology sites around and in the city. There is Charles Town Landing which is outside the city established in 1970. It is a possible idea because of the animal forest, the pond and two fountains and the fact that it was the first settlement. Then there is Marion Square because it is close to Gadsden’s Wharf where all of the slaves were brought into the city after clearing quarantine on Sullivan’s Island but there are remnants of the Horn Work located at the park which was the original guarded entry way into the city once they put a wall up for protection. Then there is White Point Garden as a possible choice but they recently did excavation there and found the original sea wall and battery. There have also been solutions that mention Fort Sumter and Fort Moultrie which are both protected sites as well. If we ever find a dig site do you think that we will be able to recover the casque in Charleston?

no. i already finished charleston. went and dug the spot (triangle shaped sand garden beside the fort sumter association building) and it was gone, disturbed by the hurricanes matthew in 1989 or hugo in 2006, or by the gardener who planted and/or removed the little palm visible on google maps but that was gone when i got there. so its gone. ive posted full map relating to treasure hunt explaining the succinct path, and the exact location portrayed in the image under the arms of the faery (where both the shadow that the palm tree makes and triangle shaped sand garden are located in the image).

I continue to ponder the interconnectedness of this verse. Its visual counterpart is significantly African themed and makes use of the shape of Fort Sumter in the form of a pendant, possibly a military ID tag, which might indicate the puzzle has more than an incedental bearing on the subjects of slavery and the American Civil War.
I think a few or more big ideas must concern us in solving this. We know Charleston and Drum Island we are strongly indicated by a visual reference. South Carolina was the 1st state to secede from the Union. I think that role is very significant from a word identification angle. I’ve gone on about this before , but I dont recall any discussion taking place. The Edwin and Edwina named after him seems like a good indication of “succession”, which is a different word but sounds very much like “secession”. I sense that BP has challenged us to know the difference and most of us probably do, so what can we do with it? I found some relevance in “stand” and listen to the birds. A sound some birds make especially in mating calls (“romance retold”) is known as drumming. Drums also have stands. Drums are a significant cultural piece of African history. Anuther word for drumming is “percussion” and words commonly used to describe the activity of drumming are “session” or “jam”. I wonder if a reason for a single fruit in the image is to support a jam or fruit based spread hint. The diamond in the image is also of interest because it bears a particular type of cut known as a “cushion”. I thought “percussion” sounds like “per-cushion”.
Anyway, i think there’s something fun going on with words leading to the concept of a drum. Drums have a simple anatomy: the shell/body/barrel and the head/batter. Typical names or types of drums are snare, trap, bass. I also think theres something relating to bright harvest from the LotJ. This being cotton. Big puffy white balls of cotton, which interestingly is ginned (also a word having the meaning: to trap or snare), and may be processed into rolls known as cotton batting.
Does anyone else here find any of these word associations interesting? Is it conceivable BP worked to tie major themes in SC together such that they harmonized with his concept for the Fair Folk of Africa?

Just had a sort of breakthrough on this verse, from noodling around doing research, and thought I ought to share it with you all.
I apologize if this has been posted before.
As you know from previous discussion, V.6 may refer to Charleston—(seriously—I’m not trying to cause trouble with those who believe it’s NY)
I do believe that it refers to Charleston.
And for the parts of the verse that have been puzzling, we’ve been trying to find some “Bar that binds,” and “Long Palm’s Shadow” and so forth, that feel like more of a match than sandbars and palm trees. Well, I think I may have found that match.
Before I get into that, though, here is the reasoning behind this:
I know from posts about it here that May 1913 might refer to the donation of the USS Maine’s capstan to Charleston for display (first) in Hampton Park and (second) White Point Gardens.  So I looked up the Maine–hoping that it had been “bound” by a sandbar (the Bar that BINDS) or soemthing like that. Instead I found something else. It occurred to me that a “bar that binds” might be referring to the ship’s ANCHOR. So I looked up what type of anchor the Maine used: they used something called a TROTMAN anchor. And that’s a pretty standard looking anchor.  But then I looked up the parts of an anchor…and sonofagun—look what I found:
Note that the Anchor has
ARMS
and a
PALM
.  “Between two ARMS extended—below the bar that binds” might be referring to underneath the anchor–and it’s PALM. The “long palm” might mean that the anchor has one palm that is longer than the other–not uncommon. And the shadow it casts might show the
exact location of the casque
.
So maybe this is exactly where the casque is buried–under an anchor–in either Hampton or White Point Gardens. Embedded in the sand beside the
long palm’s
shadow.
What do you think?  Possible?

jayheedan

Where law defended
Between two arms extended
Lady of Justice statue on a capital building?
Below the bar that binds
Scales of Justice she holds?

Yay, finally a new idea! I really like the Lady Justice theory. Now that you’ve said it, it seems kind of obvious. Perhaps we’re all over thinking this. I have been at a loss for new thoughts on this book for awhile…maybe Lady Justice will take us in a new direction. Thanks for sharing.

I have interpreted this verse to have political references: presidents, government, capital buildings (just the feel I have)
Harken to the words:
(a) Freedom at the birth of a century
Woodrow Wilson’s New freedom of 1913?
Or
(b)May 1913
(a) Edwin and Edwina named after him
Wilks-Booth take/Father Forrest/president Lincoln?
Or
(b) on the eighth a scene
Where law defended
Between two arms extended
Lady of Justice statue on a capital building?
Below the bar that binds
Scales of Justice she holds?
http://www.coastalbend.edu/acdem/social … /doc15.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Justice

I said this before, in an earlier post–but what about the “bar that binds” being earthquake bolts?  These were long rods–bars–that were inserted through houses–in Charleston SC.
http://www.ccpl.org/content.asp?id=1572 … entID=5748
These had decorative bolt ends–and they were often in the shape of stars (shown in p.2 on the bottom mask) and/or lions’ heads (shown in p. 2 above). I’m not at all convinced this v. points to New York, or the Holley Monument. I’m still betting on Charleston.

I was thinking about “arms extended.”  Perhaps the phrase is referring to fire arms. Maybe the casque lays between 2 cannons or a plaques featuring 2 guns. Hopefully the thought will spark more ideas.
Shannon

Well, if you subscribe to the Charleston theory of this verse, then the ‘arms extended’ might refer to Battery street–it extends in two different directions past White Point Gardens. It would then be a double pun– battery=weapons=arms.

Egbert

Sorry, not sure if anyone else has said this before.  Allow me to add to Rookhunter’s posts above.
There is an Edwin Booth statue in Gramercy Park, which is near 20th street and Park Avenue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gramercy_Park_Edwin_Booth_statue.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramercy_Park
I haven’t looked into the park itself, but it is a possibility.

I’ve looked into this before too, but didn’t see it mentioned in the wiki… Gershwin lived there. I looked into it because it followed the same “straight line” from the building theory that Chicago and Cleveland did:
http://goo.gl/maps/3wUJt

rookhunter

My take on this verse is that its near, around or in central park (despite what Preiss said).
Too many coincidences in this interpretation, I do believe Im on to something.
The first few verses describes the theater. With the words May 1913 & Edwin and Edwina I do believe he is referring to the booth theater. Booth theater named after the brother of john booth who had a daughter edwina.
Booth theater is in the middle of the theater district and runs to 8th st.
“or on the eigth a scene where law defended.”
Cravath, Swaine & Moore is a big lawfirm that has been arond for a while. Their building is hard to miss.
Between two arms extended
Below the bar that binds
Beside the long palms shadow
The monument to the USS Maine has two arms extended (dedicated May 1913)
The Columbus circle statue has anchors
The Grand Army Plaza has a long palm in her hand
White House close at hand
There was a building just south of central park called the white house. There is also The Plaza hotel in brilliant white.

Sorry, not sure if anyone else has said this before.  Allow me to add to Rookhunter’s posts above.
There is an Edwin Booth statue in Gramercy Park, which is near 20th street and Park Avenue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gramercy_Park_Edwin_Booth_statue.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramercy_Park
I haven’t looked into the park itself, but it is a possibility.

Egbert

Nice pictures.  Thank you for posting them.

tjgrey

Some pictures I took that could related to V6 (White Point Gardens and Washington Park). May or may not be a contribution…
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lir1nimps3cj0ka/DZfF9kHj8K

I like grame
Gramercry Park is interesting because th statue was unveiled in 1913. Booth also founded the AEA in 1913. The problem I see is coming up with a link to “freedom at the birth of a century”. and “on the eighth..”
I can find other parts of Manhattan linked to the other two verses but not all three together. Also, if it is in Gramercy park, we will have a hard time digging as it is a super exclusive private park.

I’m sure it doesn’t matter at this point in the search, but “Freedom at the birth of a century” brought to mind the Second Boer War, which was also called the “Freedom War” and fought from 1899-1902 in South Africa. Not sure how this is at all relevant, however.

ILLUSTRATION
If we have any doubts about BP going through the asphalt, he created an illustration for us. In many ways this clue stands by itself, once you know the Holley Monument. Pages 2 and 3 of the book show some striking comparisons to Holley. That illustration by itself is enough for me to dig next to the Holley Monument. Notice where the shovel is positioned. Refer to my earlier post for the similarities we noticed.
http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/http://test.quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?p=63396#p63396
I know I posted some large pictures here and depending on your screen resolution you may be missing edges of some photos. Here is a link to my photo page in
Flickr
Good Hunting,
Sonoran

Hi all. I found this picture of the dig site, if you notice the center pot is sinking into the asphalt. This means that the ground under it is unstable and the weight of the pot is causing the sinking. The plexiglass box may have broke and caused a void in the dirt allowing the sinking to happen. The asphalt is old and should be very easy to go through.

This theory is based on the Edwin Booth connection. But what about this?
Given that this is from another page in the
same book
where the Sarmiento quote was found, it stretches credulity to think that Edwin and Edwina could refer to anyone else.

There is one more thing that is being overlooked about the Booth connection, and that is the obvious:
EDWIN BOOTH may indeed have been named after another Edwin–but there is no way his daughter was. Think about it. How could Booth’s
daughter
have been named after anyone but her
FATHER
?
This whole ‘solution’ and the fact that the casque would be buried under asphalt has the ring of unbelievable to me, no matter what the circumstances are.
I don’t buy the long palm’s shadow, the “arms extended” part, the “bar that binds” part, or the Booth part either. I also don’t think the illustration on p. 2/3 has any resemblance at all to the Holley monument.
This is just too far to stretch IMHO. WAY too far.
I’m in the camp that believes the Sarmiento book–two quotes from the same book seem a far greater connection.

Forest the edwin connection would be fine if the rest of the verse fit If you look at sonoran post the whole verse will give a dig site not just one line as yours is.

this is one that bp knew that we would question. This is why he inserted a drawing showing that you dig next to the monument as can be seen in sonorans post. if you look at the monument you will see a palm at the top the arms extended is the post at each end. all of the parts of the verse fit not just one or two line. this is the dig location we just need to get permission to dig there. bp had said that he had to use some disquises to bury some. this one he might have dressed as a park worker and no one would have suspected him except the real park workers if they showed up.

Sonoran’s theory does not explain all the lines. Sonoran attributes the first three lines (from
Treasure Island
) to “literary flavor,” whereas the Charleston theory has an explanation for them. Charleston was a pirate mecca, and many were hanged and buried off White Point Gardens. There’s even a Stede Bonnet memorial there.
We can easily make the verse fit Charleston. Charleston has actual long
palms
with real shadows, not stylized fronds that may or may not be meant to represent palms. There’s plenty of sand there, too. Arms could be cannons, which can be found at the Gardens. Birds and water are plentiful next to the Atlantic. We’ve even got a painting (P2) with a map of Charleston on it.
But really, the strongest evidence is that quote from
Abroad in America
, which undeniably applies to Blyden. We can’t simply dismiss the fact that it is found in the same book as the Sarmiento quote. The exact same book! It would be an unbelievable coincidence.
I suggest that we start looking, and hard, for memorials / plaques / statues / sculptures in the Charleston area in honor of Blyden. Also that we start doing research on memorials / plaques / statues / sculptures that were in the White Point Gardens area in 1981, but are no longer there.

forest i agree p2 is foir charleston but you have the wrong verse

I’ve certainly been wrong before. I believe I offered to eat my hat if V2 didn’t point to St. Louis last year. Now if I could just find a really small, digestible hat…

It is great to see everyone working together on this verse.
I’d like to review the case for the Verse 6 to New York solution. I have accounted for every line in the verse. That doesn’t mean that I found just some way to make verse lines fit, but I have found sound matches that follow BP’s pattern of riddle making.
Verse 6 flows generally from top to bottom. It starts at the Astor Place Opera House and then moves a few blocks over to Washington Square Park, and then again to the dig spot next to the Holley Monument. Now, I know that the asphalt around the Holley Monument is throwing some of you off track. Bear with me and I’ll share what I know about that too. Maybe, the best way to explain these matches is to post the answers in the order I discovered them.

ASTOR PLACE OPERA HOUSE
Edwin and Edwina named after him
Edwin Booth, and thus his daughter Edwina were named after the famous actor Edwin Forrest.
catherwood
and
fox
had this one right from the start. Edwin Forrest is our man.
http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/http://test.quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?p=7897#p7897
Edwin Booth 1833 – 1893 & his daughter, Edwina 1861 – 1938   Edwin Forrest March 9, 1806 – December 12, 1872
We can confirm this by comparing to the other half of the “
Or
” phrase.
Or on the eighth a scene
Where law defended
Eighth
Street was
where
the Astor Place Riot or
scene
occurred. “Where” was the clue here; we needed a place.
Edwin Forrest
’s feud with the English actor William Macready sparked the Astor Place Riot in 1849.
8th
St. is where the National Guard’s 7th Regiment and New York police made a stand to
defend
the opera house. By the time of the performance, over 20,000 people filled the streets around the theater. In the Guard’s
defense
the Opera House 22 citizens were killed and some 130 citizens, police and soldiers were injured.
To further set up the Astor Place Opera House location we can refer to the first five lines of the verse. First, thank you
spacecraft9
for finding the
Treasure Island
reference.
http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/http://test.quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?p=12802#p12802
Nice work! I believe the
Treasure Island
reference is just part of the literary flavor BP added to the hunt. Although, it is undeniable that this “treasure” is on an “island” (Manhattan).
Of all the romance retold
Men of tales and tunes
Cruel and bold
These are all what would have been seen at an opera house in the form of operas and romantic tragedies found in Shakespeare performances.
Seen here
By eyes of old
The Astor Place Opera House stood from
1847 to 1854
.

I’m with you on this one, FB….and I’m going to be investing in a lot of these….let me know if you want one or two!

WASHINGTON SQUARE PARK
The following four lines move us just a few blocks away to Washington Square Park.
Stand and listen to the birds
Simply means to move from the Astor Place city streets to nature (a park). When you look for parks close to Astor Place, Washington Square Park is the closest.
Aerial from Astor Place to Washington Square Park
Hear the cool, clear song of water
Washington Square Park has that huge fountain. You can’t miss it.
Washington Square Park fountain
Harken to the words:
Freedom at the birth of a century
This is a wonderful reference to the
inscription
that is displayed on the top of the
Washington Square Arch
. The inscription reads “TO COMMEMORATE THE ONE HUNDREDTH ANNIVERSARY OF THE INAUGURATION OF GEORGE WASHINGTON AS FIRST PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES”.
Washington Square Arch
Or May 1913
This is also a
Washington Square Park
clue. On
May
3,
1913
, an estimated 10,000 women’s suffrage advocates assembled in Washington Square Park and then marched eight abreast up Fifth Avenue in support of their cause.
May 1913 March
White house close at hand.
Our last Washington Square Park clue. It looks like
Trohn
was on to something on this one.
http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/http://test.quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?p=45253#p45253
Stanford
White
is very likely the white in “White” house. I should of reviewed old posts; it would have made my research easier. Nice one Trohn!
The
White house
(as in house of God) may be Judson Memorial Church across the street.
White
designed both the church and the Washington Square Arch.
Judson Memorial Church

HOLLEY MONUMENT
Between two arms extended
Below the bar that binds
Beside the long palm’s shadow
Three lines tell us the final spot to dig.
The two end posts are the
two arms extended
.
The wall that connects the end posts is
the bar that binds
.
The tall center column with the palm leaf sculptures is
the long palm
.
Alexander Lyman Holley Monument

ASPHALT
Embedded in the sand
Waits the Fair remuneration
So, why did BP use “Embedded” and “sand”? Was it because he knew we might be standing behind the Holley Monument some day asking, “Did he actually bury it
beneath
that asphalt?” Then we could figure that
Embedded in the sand
must mean we have to go through the asphalt (like he did).
In the 1970 park renovation the Holley Monument was moved a few feet and the area around the monument was paved with asphalt. BP buried the casque under that asphalt a decade later. This seems like a pretty unbelievable feat at first impression, but after you review all the information it is not impossible at all. We can deduce he buried the casque under that asphalt for a few reasons.
First, that is exactly where the verse leads us.
Second, this was his hometown and he had time to coordinate the plan.
Third, BP found the ideal spot. If I had to pick the best spot in Washington Square Park to bury something I would of buried it at the exact same place. What a great location! It is centered on the most accessible side of a prominent and distinguishable (by verse) stucture. Just beautiful.
Fourth, in the 1982 Chicago Tribune article Preiss said he used “various disguises”. Since this was his hometown I bet you he went all out in setting this one up. So maybe he created a park worker disguise, set up cones, and then spent 60 or so minutes digging on a Saturday morning.
Did he replace the asphalt? Did he just level off the hole with dirt? Did he move a planter back over the area? Whether it was a simple or complex operation it seems pretty impressive. When BP mentioned disguises I should have figured he was willing to give a full effort. I’m a believer now.

Hey folks. Location agnostic I was looking at the lines:
Freedom at the birth of a century
Or May 1913
There was a silent movie released in May 1913 called The Battle For Freedom.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0002667/
Maybe the two lines are trying to communicate the word “Battle”.
Also the line about the Bar that Binds…has the idea of a bar of music been kicked around? Maybe below the bar meaning a musical note (D)?
I hope the embedded in the sand isn’t literal because you know I will associate this verse with STL and dig up the sand trap at the Forrest Park golf course! Maybe the 8th hole (“Or on the eighth a scene”)!
Oh yeah, my wife (from STL) mentioned this statue near the jewel box; I would say that is a big palm and two arms extended…
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/79/25531 … 7c.jpg?v=0

hi miyaka welcome to the hunt
if you could find a legeater in STL, that would be great
http://www.flickr.com/photos/11924414@N00/
i found some pics of the building, one was in 1890, the other was not sure thinking
maybe 30s-40s, the 1890 did not have the legeater, maybe when they overhauled the
place for the club, the legeater was added. pics are to big to post, when i get time ill
move them to webshots or someplace

I am interested in this verse because I have family in St Louis and will be going there in November. I have read some of the threads and sounds like agreements this is referring to St. Louis and Forrest Park. I wonder if it is in a slightly less complicated way. If the first lines are from Treasure Island well Robert Louis Stevenson was the author…Louis. Also the Edwin and Edwina reference should be referenced back to Edwin Forrest (thus Forrest Park) who Edwin was named for.
Maybe this was already stated but it seemed maybe the TI reference was being over analyzed and it was just meant to reveal Louis  (???)

forest_blight

Here is p. 164 of
Abroad in America: Visitors to the New Nation 1776-1914
, edited by Marc Pachter and Frances Wein (1976).

The “Edwin and Edwina named after him” appears to be taken directly by BP out of Abroad in America:
So, just as another quote in that book connects Verse 2 to New Orleans, I think Verse 6 must connect to whichever city is associated with Edward Wilmot Blyden — which appears to be Charleston, South Carolina.  I know you guys and gals want to believe this is Edwin Forrest, but the Abroad in America quote is just too exact and coincidental to ignore.  So, my vote is that this is Charleston.
Here are some links discussing Blyden — there are apparently quite a number of buildings, etc. containing his name in Liberia, but nothing in the U.S. that I have found thus far.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Wilmot_Blyden
http://www.columbia.edu/~hcb8/EWB_Museum/about_pic.html
http://news.sl/drwebsite/publish/article_2005148.shtml
Interestingly, he was born in the West Indies, but that is a different verse!  Well, I hope you people do not mind that I continue to try and link clues in this Verse to Charleston.   🙂
EDIT:  Here is an interesting link regarding 1913 (though not May), and some interesting things happening with the Exchange Building around the time that BP may have been hiding the treasure, 1979-1981:
http://www.oldexchange.com/html/history.html
We have researched White Point Gardens regarding this verse as well, and it certainly looks like it fits.  Pirates galore!

miyaka

Also the Edwin and Edwina reference should be referenced back to Edwin Forrest (thus Forrest Park) who Edwin was named for.

Has this been brought up before?  I know we have said the 2 Eds were Mr. Forrest’s but I dont recall simply using his name to get us to Forrest Park…just like the quote from Hermann took us to Hermann Park in Houston.

Image references..
I’m struggling to find where I found this image, but iirc it was a prison in the location Hampton park is now that housed union soldiers.
http://i.imgur.com/hphyt1m.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ICC7sEl.jpg
This is what I see in the image. The top of the column above the oval could be the black with white triangles, and pointed sides. If you were looking at the building from a corner, and slightly upwards. Also, the pear in Image 2 could represent a bradford pear tree. The flower below it is not to far from a bradford pear flower. After reading about these trees though, they don’t seem to survive typically over a few decades so…
Lastly, the mark on the tigers face directly right of the tiger’s right eye resembles a symbol from the side of fort sumter. You can see it here on the wall (left side) — the object is mirrored.
http://i.imgur.com/Xg3Xp1f.png

It seem that Edwin and Edwina have not been nailed down, or some kind of consensus.
The etymology of Edwin is rich friend. So maybe one of the connections has a rich person involved.

Unknown

Unknown:
Rodman Law, self-billed as “The Human Fly”, climbed up the outside of the United States Capitol while both houses of Congress were in session, climbed up the side of the building and then climbed his way up to the top of the Dome, intending to place his hat on top of the statue at the top. A guard at the capitol persuaded Law to go no further than the statue’s base.

May 7th, 1913 (Wednesday)
Perhaps this is a case of “Law” defending his talent for climbing.

May 1913 and on the 8th a scene where law defended.  Really puzzling.
I feel confident it is to do with a lighthouse on Lighthouse Island (formerly known as Raccoon Key) using the painting to indicate an animal with a mask as a riddle for raccoon which has a mask.  They are often referred to as masked bandits.  Where law defended?  What was the prize that was subject to some kind of theft attempt?  The only drama I could discover was  ghost story about a woman who was murdered by her husband, the lighthouse keeper, after she buried all her wealth somewhere in the vicinity during a stormy night after having an argument with her husband.  He murdered her and got off the hook claiming she committed suicided (on his death bed he confessed his crime).  How did law defend in that case?  What kind of law was defended?  Marital Law?  Where was the justice?  That the treasure was never claimed to have been found might be something to considered.  She protected her wealth by burying it.  She was then buried near the lighthouse (where exactly I don’t know).  Another interesting thing to note is the lighthouse has an octagonal base.  Eight sides.  On the eighth a scene.  A view of her grave perhaps?
Its hard to research this one in particular since the tourist industry barely supports the site now.  There is hardly any upkeep at all.  The area is condemned for all practical purposes and the only access is one or two trips during the Summer with a tour boat and a handful of lighthouse history enthusiasts.

Something to consider about the “long palm’s shadow”:  How “long” do you suppose that palm tree would be 30 years ago? My guess is that it would not be very long at all. They grow about a foot per year. Thirty years ago any palm tree you find now would probably be 30 feet shorter.

It doesn’t make any sense to the puzzle that I can see.
I’d want to see a connection to the Lat/Long of 33/79.  I like the aviator connection, but I’d me more impressed if it were an aviatrix.  Any visual support from image2 in that or near it?  Where’s the Charleston relation?  You holding back something?

Read from here:

“Sonoran”

down.

erexere

Or May = Mayor.  Who was the Mayor in 1913?  Is the name relatable to any specific object or place? etc.
Just looking for clean cut cleverness.  There’s a simplicity to discover if we just open our minds.  Whether it works here or not is another story.

why not this one…

Glossiphoniidae

Read from here:
down.

That makes more sense now but also offers more questions.

You are so twisted.

how so? lol
its not often that law can be used pre-emptively to defend. cases like anti-terrorism would be one example of how they are. but the law is generally used in a retroactive sense.
I think semantics are important here, because Preiss chose his words extremely carefully.

anus905

in my opinion, law is not often used as a defence, like it sort of was in this case. its used as a punishment or retribution…and as a criminal…youd defend yourself against the law. so I think the pirate analogy is actually one of the few instances in which that phrase does accurately apply.

So odd that I find myself agreeing with Josh more and more as of late…although I’m still inclined to believe that “on the eighth” could be a reference to US Code Title 8 / Chapter 8, as something to do with the federal government’s actions under the Chinese Exclusion Act. Tough to investigate any possible I1/V6 connections without having boots on the ground in San Francisco, though.

Or on the eighth a scene
Where law defended
In 1911, John P Grace was elected Mayor of Charleston for a 4 year term. In 1915, in a hard fought Democratic election for Mayor, Tristram T. Hyde won the nomination by
8 ballots
(according to one source that I found). During a meeting of the Democratic Executive Committee on October 15, supporters of both incumbent John P. Grace and challenger Tristram T. Hyde, forced their way into the meeting causing a riot to break out which resulted in the accidental death of Sidney Cohen, who was shot through the lung. In the aftermath, Governor Richard Manning, sent the South Carolina Militia to Charleston to guard against further violence.
http://www.charlestonmuseum.org/researc … 3281408870
http://www.charlestonmuseum.org/researc … ons&page=1
In 1919 Grace was elected to a second term as mayor, again in a hotly contested campaign, bracketing Hyde’s term as mayor.
John Grace among other things was responsible for the Cooper River Bridge, posthumously renamed the John P. Grace Memorial Bridge. A second bridge was built along side of it, the Silas N. Pearman bridge. Both of these were demolished in 2005 and replaced with the current Arthur Ravenel Jr. bridge.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_P._G … ial_Bridge
Tristram T. Hyde, during his term as Mayor, was responsible for the transfer of a large portion of Hampton Park to The Citadel for their new campus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tristram_T._Hyde
If we look at Image 2, the pear represents the Pearman Bridge, but really we are looking for the Grace Bridge, which eliminated the need for ferries for transportation and brought more commerce to Charleston. The Grace Bridge, if you follow it into Charleston proper, dumped out southeast of Hampton Park.

by 8 ballots isn’t on the 8th though…remember, Preiss picked his words very carefully…and he was very good at it. even though I get how he has designed them, they are so incredible I do not think I could possibly design something so brilliant if I wanted to.
and I did want to lol.

I like the recent focus on just this one line, “Or on the eighth a scene” and the possible meanings. The word ‘
scene
‘ really is a deliberate choice, but why?
Historians might refer to “the music scene” when they really mean a particular time period in a specific place, for example. Could the location be known for a cultural wave? But I would still expect to see a monument, a famous landmark, or even a plaque to commemorate such a theme, something visible to the hunter, rather than relying on common knowledge (or historical research even less).
Someone has already mentioned the theater connotation. Again, I’d want to see something specifically indicating “a scene” and not just a theater. Is it on 8th street, or the eighth stop on a public transit route? Could it be a painting in a series of eight or more panels, such as on the sides of a chathedral or a mural (would might no longer exist)?
It feels like some of us were thinking of it referring to the 8th day of a month, perhaps because the month of May was mentioned two lines above this one. Perhaps that was a deliberate misdirection, knowing how our minds make leaps and assumptions due to context.

because the hangings were a spectacle (both literally in that they were public, and figuratively in that they were meant to send a message to other would be pirates). it acts out like an epic scene in a play. with the main dude having his execution delayed several times, after his crew had already been offed.

and the reason WHY he brings you to the pirate monument at that particular point in the puzzle…is because…if you did not succeed in or outright ignore the purely visual clues of the fort sumter pendant…you will find yourself at the wrong battery wall, wrong white house, and wrong palm tree (like I did in my very first post on this topic).

its a ruse designed into the puzzle to confuse and/or stifle anyone who didn’t follow the full path of the puzzle in context.
hence why the real location is at the exact opposite corner (SW, as opposed to NE).
he does a very similar thing in the NYC puzzle.

james V how do you use this puzzle for Charleston AND SF?!?!?!?!?!?! *head explodes*

Lots of
murals
in that museum. Here’s a dragon-octopus.

If we’re talking about the Gh from Ghirardelli though, the reversed version is more appealing. There’s a bunch of places you could see that from. For instance, here it is from Van Ness.
If you wanted a decent, long walk, you could go the end of Beach St and then head down Van Ness to the War Memorial Opera House. That way you could settle the Booth/Blyden dispute by nailing them both. (Blyden hung out there during the Treaty of San Fransisco. Alternatively you could turn off at Clay for a roundabout route to Lafayette Park.)

Stand and listen to the birds
If you just wanted a shorter walk from the plaques on the other hand, Union Square is a heck of a lot closer. They filmed Hitchcock’s
The Birds
there, and it has dragons. (OK, they look more like seahorses, but they’ll do.)

Freedom at the birth of a century
(Built 1914)
Or on the eighth a scene where law defended
It’s by
Sargeant
John Macaulay Park, eight blocks from Union Square. (Haven’t dated that yet)
It’s on Larkin St…birdsong again…? Head up there and you’re back at the Maritime Museum.

isn’t johnny law euphemism for policeman ?

More than likely.
And if you like chocolate, Larkin is Ghirardelli central. You’ve got the sign. You’ve got the hair. Everything you need.

That’s just pro-postulate

You mean like….if you went back and started over from scratch and then actually found similarities that others missed…and then applied them to all the puzzles and surprisingly they all worked the same? No….pa shaw….you don’t say.

Image 12 = Verse 6 = USS Maine Memorial at Merchant’s gate.
I have identified 4 more visual clues in the picture and I am absolutely certain.
Plus, the quote in my post above may not be from Don Quixote, but I still think “bar that binds” refers to a sand bar binding a ship.
My cousin is going to dig for me once she applies to the New York Parks department for the appropriate
“Research Permit” to dig and “Metal Detector Permit” for the ground penetrating radar I will hire, and “Film and Photography Permit” so she can film it for the documentary.
I’ll fill you all in once the casque is out of the ground.

reading this verse again i realize BP  used HEAR HEAR HEAR ………3 times………….which could be HERE, HERE, HERE
“stand and LISTEN to the birds
HEAR the cool, clear song of water
HARKEN to the words
listen, hear and harken  all mean “to hear”……………………………to HERE
these lines are right after the quote from”treasure island ” about pirates
makes me think it’s still there where they hung those pirates at battery park (white pointe gardens)
remember, the found ones didn’t go in order……..so the rest of the verse could just be leading you to the hanging tree or the plaque
jstarr, is there anything about pirates or sailors in washington square?  could you post all the info you have on that park?
i still like that “fair renown” on that plaque, and that park does have a real gate for “bar that binds”
but it could be for the sandbar at white pointe gardens too……and if i remember correctly, the pirate plaque was below the sandbar there
(lol, that dang italic button is just like the bold!!!!! they don’t cut off!!!)

just as a follow-up to my previous post, White Point Gardens is located at the southern tip of the Charleston penninsula (the one seen on the mask in P2).  One is supposed to be able to see Fort Sumter from the park.

“Men of tales and tunes, cruel and bold, seen here by eyes of old?”
Dock Street Theatre
135 Church Street
The original Dock Street Theatre opened in 1736 and was the first building designed for theatrical use in the Americas. The building and its uses were numerous over the next 200 years. The Dock Street Theatre is currently closed for renovations. The anticipated reopening date is July 2010.
The original Dock Street Theatre opened in Charleston on February 12, 1736 with the play “The Recruiting Officer”. One month after the theatre was opened the name of Dock Street was officially changed to Queen Street, but the theatre retained its original name. The building and its uses were numerous during the next 200 years. In the 1930’s, the derelict building, a shell of the former Planters Hotel, was restored by the Works Progress Administration. Then Mayor Burnet R. Maybank secured the necessary federal funds for the restoration. The current theatre seats 464 patrons. The Charleston Stage Company creates a series of annual performances at the theatre and perform from September until the end of April. The Spoleto Chamber Series is also housed at this historic theatre.
Dock Street Theatre
135 Church Street Charleston, SC 29401
(843) 720-3968
Office Hrs: Mon-Fri 9:00am-5:00pm
“Freedom at the birth of a century?”
White Slaveowners Fear that the Haitian Revolution Has Arrived in Charleston, South Carolina, 1797
In the American South, slaves were typically dispersed among large populations of armed and vigilant whites. As a result, American slave rebellions failed to achieve their goals. This was not the case in the West Indies, where plantation owners remained at home in Europe and left overseers in charge of large populations of slaves. In 1791, a revolution began on the island of St. Domingo (Hispaniola, the home of Haiti and the Dominican Republic). In 1804, after years of fighting, the Republic of Haiti, a black republic composed of former slaves, freed itself from France. News of the Haitian revolution was an inspiration for American slaves but a source of severe anxiety for their masters. The arrival of Haitian refugees—black, white, and mulatto—in American port cities, including Charleston, increased masters’ fear that the black revolution would spread to the United States. Slaveowners cracked down, jumpily interpreting every transgression as an uprising in the making.
There may be a statue of a slave somewhere in a park — “below the bar that binds” — since there is the Old Slave Mart in Charleston as well:
The Old Slave Mart Museum
The Old Slave Mart Museum, located at 6 Chalmers Street, will recount the story of Charleston’s role in this inter-state slave trade by focusing on the history of this particular building and site and the slave sales that occurred here.
The 1808 ban on the United States’ participation in the international slave trade led to a renewed demand for slave labor, which was satisfied, in part, by the creation of a domestic slave-trading system in which Charleston functioned as a major slave collecting and reselling center. The Old Slave Mart Museum, located at 6 Chalmers Street, will recount the story of Charleston’s role in this inter-state slave trade by focusing on the history of this particular building and site and the slave sales that occurred here.
In the seven decades between the drafting of the U.S. Constitution and the Civil War, more than one million American-born slaves were sold away from plantations in the upper South to work the rapidly expanding cotton and sugar plantations in the lower South. In Charleston, enslaved African Americans were customarily sold on the north side of the Old Exchange Building. An 1856 city ordinance prohibited this practice of public sales, resulting in the opening of the Old Slave Mart and a number of other sales rooms, yards, or marts along Chalmers, State and Queen Streets.
Possibly the only known building used as a slave auction gallery in South Carolina still in existence, the Old Slave Mart was once part of a complex of buildings known as Ryan’s Mart that occupied the land between Chalmers and Queen Streets. The complex consisted of a yard enclosed by a brick wall and contained three additional buildings: a four-story brick building partially containing a “barracoon” or slave jail, a kitchen, and a “dead house” or morgue.
Slave auctions at the Old Slave Mart ended in November 1863. The property changed hands many times after the Civil War, and between 1878 and 1937 the building was used as a Negro tenement and as an auto repair shop. In 1938 Miriam B. Wilson purchased the building, which by then, had come to be known locally as “The Old Slave Mart,” and established a museum featuring African and African-American arts and crafts. Judith Wragg Chase and Louise Wragg Graves took over the Old Slave Mart in 1964, placed it on the National Register of Historic Places in 1973 and operated it until its closure in 1987.
Recognizing the significant importance the institution of slavery has had in Charleston’s history, the City of Charleston acquired the property in 1988. The Old Slave Mart Museum is currently undergoing exhibit design and installation and will soon be opened to the public.
I am very optimistic on finding the treasure site now.  It is just a matter of finding out more information on Charleston, and linking it to the verse to find the exact spot.

2fast4u2c

May 1913 marks when the capstan from the USS Maine was installed at the western end of Hampton Park.  (It was later moved to the Charleston Naval Base and then finally installed at White Point Garden on July 15, 1927.)

This article indicates that the capstan was recently removed from White Point Garden:
http://www.charleston.net/news/2007/jul/14/put_uss_maines_capstan_hampton_park10547/
The capstan, however, was not sent directly to White Point Garden when it arrived. Instead, it was installed at the western end of Hampton Park after it was given in May 1913. It was later moved to the Charleston Naval Base and then finally installed at White Point Garden 80 years ago this week on July 15, 1927. What accounts for the change of location? According to this newspaper’s coverage of the White Point Garden installation ceremony, one speaker expressed his pride in having removed the capstan from “such an obscure place” as Hampton Park.
Now that the capstan has been ousted from its spot at White Point Garden to make way for the statute of Gen. Moultrie, the city should seize this opportunity to right an 80-year-old wrong.
In White Point Garden, the capstan was quickly lost in a large array of random, unconnected monuments and memorials. Moreover, while the neighborhoods around Hampton Park might have been thought obscure, today that description cannot be defended, and the capstan should be returned to its proper place.

Odysseus, tied to the mast of his ship listens to the sounds of the siren’s death song,
stand and listen to the birds

Sorry, I didnt expand on my developing theory.
The eyes of old lends focus to the large eye on the sailor’s ship in the popular (in the art history or Classics community) Siren scene on this historic vase. I thought the circles look like thise on the moth wings.
The Odysseus line of investigation comes from a major historic event to Charleston involving Denmark Vesey aka Telemachus.

Interesting ideas indeed…  If this is true, than where oh where does P12 lead? lol
Side note:  There is a small plaque outside of Edwin Booth’s library in the Players Club which reads:
“In this room, during the first three months of 1913, there met without permission, the small committee of 4 or 5 which ultimately led to the formation of the Actors’ Equity Association.”  Talks of 1913 but the 1st 3 months would not include May.  Also the rest of the passage does not tie in at all.

New Yorkers are on the bottom of my list now.  I flew into NYC from TX to uncover a casque only to run into formidable resistance on the level of NFL linebackers!
Let’s pair verse 6 with pic 3.  You know, between two arms extended and all that…
The first four lines of verse six refer to a theatre.  Yeah, a theatre.
Of all the romance retold
Men of tales and tunes
Cruel and bold
Seen here
By eyes of old
But it’s not any old theatre, it’s one that is really old and probably doesn’t show productions anymore.
So pair that little nugget with the line that references edwin and edwina.  The greatest American stage actor is Edwin Booth, brother of assassin John Wilkes Booth.  Guess what – Edwin (his son) and Edwina(his  grandaughter) dedicated a statue in his honor in Gramercy Park in NYC in the early 1900’s.  Why was this statue placed in Gramercy Park?  Well, that would be because Edwin Booth lived for decades on the park, until his death in 1893.  In fact, Edwin founded the original “Players Club” and it was located on the southern border of the park.  Because actors and artisits were so looked down upon in the 19th century, Booth created a “high-class” destination for his ilk.  Guess who designed the Players Club for Booth – Stanford White.  One of the most famous of American architects, White redesigned most of the surrounding edifices on Gramercy Park.  Thus, “white house close at hand”.  Monuments and plaques in the area readily attest to it.  BTW, did I mention that the Gramercy area was settled exclusively by the English?  It is the area of NYC most connected to the English.  Now, consider the lines about birds and water.  Gramercy has always been legendary as a sanctuary for birds in the city and famous as a bird-watching spot.  The fountain is a little iffy for me though.  I have found historical references to fountains in the park, but do not know if there was one in ’81.
Now check out the painting.  Did you know that Gramercy Park is the only private park in NYC?  No?  Then that’s why you didn’t realize the significance of the keys hanging from the suit of armor.  You need one of the coveted keys to get into the park!  And the suit of armor itself?  Well, I bought a plane ticket to NYC without knowing this:  there are two knights in armor in front of the locked gate into Gramercy Park.  When I got to the park and saw those…I knew I was on to something.  The next thing that rang a bell for me (sorry):  the bells hanging from the suit of armor- they match a piece of the Edwin Booth statue.  Didn’t see that from the internet pics.  But my pics from the gate, magnified, definitely show it.  Those bell things are on the statue.
So, I figure some of the pic and the rest of the unused verse lines would be relevant within the park.  They should guide you to the exact location.  So I went to NYC at no small expense.  I tried many an avenue, but no way was found into the park.  The librarian at the Players Club dismissed me as if I was a beggar on the subway.  The seemingly nice people at the episcopal church were unresponsive.  Nobody in the park or entering the park would as much as look twice at you as you pleaded with them to help you.  I might add that I was in some pretty high-dollar threads when I got the “Don’t look in my direction you street urchin” treatment.  For God’s sake, I’m a coporate executive!  I simply refuse to don black and infiltrate the park at a late hour.  Maybe a few years ago…
So check out my lead.  Get in touch with questions.  I’ve only elucidated the most definite of correlations here.  If there is a treasure in Gramercy Park, may it be ours!  I’d certainly be up for bum-rushing the park someday, after my recent experience!

maltedfalcon

yes if the fair folk wrote this hunt that would be something to consider, shouldn’t we be instead looking at BP?

Well sure, if BP role played the fair folk, I am hoped to develop a different approach. It seems to me most people look past the basics and complicate things with the meta process.

Work was a little quiet this afternoon, so I spent some time Googling through parts of my in-progress I1/V6 theory for San Francisco. Specifically, this line: “Edwin and Edwina named after him.”
Now, all of the interpretations I’ve read so far (for both Charleston and San Francisco) have taken this line as meaning, two living people named Edwin and Edwina were literally namesakes to some mystery person. BUT, today I was considering that the verb “
name
” might possibly have a slightly different meaning here– “to choose, select, pick, nominate, or designate”.
So, I’m still assuming that we’d start the hunt for the SF casque from the Robert Louis Stevenson monument in Portsmouth Square. Nearby, it looks like there’s a Grant Avenue which runs towards Union Square, a possible dig location that I discussed earlier in the thread. Grant Avenue was named after General (later President) Ulysses S. Grant– and according to that endless font of knowledge, Wikipedia (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulysses_S._Grant
), when Grant stepped down as Secretary of War in 1868, a Mr. Edwin Stanton was “named” to succeed him.
I’ve still got no clue where the “Edwina” might have come from, but thought I’d throw this idea out there in case it helps spur some creative thinking.
Happy New Year, everyone!

Edwin and Edwina named after
him
Simple way of looking at that sentence is that people named their kids after HIM. So HIS name is Edwin.
Obviously if the kid is a girl then she would be named Edwina after Edwin.
Hubble is a person of interest.

Sir WINston Churchill had a grand daughter named EdWINa….maybe we should be looking at Win instead of Ed????

MERLIN

Sir WINston Churchill had a grand daughter named EdWINa….maybe we should be looking at Win instead of Ed????

Or ead or wynn or wine. WWI

JamesV

Work was a little quiet this afternoon, so I spent some time Googling through parts of my in-progress I1/V6 theory for San Francisco. Specifically, this line: “Edwin and Edwina named after him.”
Now, all of the interpretations I’ve read so far (for both Charleston and San Francisco) have taken this line as meaning, two living people named Edwin and Edwina were literally namesakes to some mystery person. BUT, today I was considering that the verb “
name
” might possibly have a slightly different meaning here– “to choose, select, pick, nominate, or designate”.
So, I’m still assuming that we’d start the hunt for the SF casque from the Robert Louis Stevenson monument in Portsmouth Square. Nearby, it looks like there’s a Grant Avenue which runs towards Union Square, a possible dig location that I discussed earlier in the thread. Grant Avenue was named after General (later President) Ulysses S. Grant– and according to that endless font of knowledge, Wikipedia (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulysses_S._Grant
), when Grant stepped down as Secretary of War in 1868, a Mr. Edwin Stanton was “named” to succeed him.
I’ve still got no clue where the “Edwina” might have come from, but thought I’d throw this idea out there in case it helps spur some creative thinking.
Happy New Year, everyone!

funny should would mention Edwin Stanton, the name that organized the hunt for John Booth… and John’s brother Edwin, names his daughter Edwin, and he was named after Edwin Forrest, a shakspearian actor, …but who knows…

boogieman

and… Go on.

no… thats all I got with that

Trohn

Slightly new look at the verses…
Only focusing on the first line, as it, in most(?)
instances draw us directly to what BP wanted
us to concentrate on…
“Romance Retold” in google brings uo
a solid two winners in this search..
“Quest for the Holy Grail”
“Treasure Island” (long john silver)

and… Go on.

How about
“Romance Retold” = as excerpted from The Romance of Old Philadelphia, by John T. Faris, published by J.P. Lippincott in 1918
The Publishing House located on Washington Square
The book also discusses…
“The yard of the gaol was the scene of one of the spectacular incidents of the period of Washington’s residence in Philadelphia. On January 9, 1793, the French aeronaut Blanchard made there the first balloon ascension in America”
The Faerie in Image 3 looks alot like holding onto a balloon.
In addition, I know it’s a stretch (BP may or may not have seen similar pics) but look at this link. It looks eerily like the Image 3 spheres.
http://southjerseyghostresearch.org/cases/20030b.html

i think i have a loose connect to edwin and edwina line
In 1946, at the suggestion, of the president of the Board of Directors, a mural was planned for the east wall of the Workshop, to measure 9 feet by 18 feet, and render a composite view of the leading personalities in Charleston’s 200 year theatrical history.
9. EDWIN BOOTH (1833-1893) – Foremost American tragedian played in Charleston from 1850 through the 1880’s. Famous for his Shakespearian roles; also for his Richlieu. Played in the New Charleston Theatre (Meeting Street) and The Academy of Music.
http://www.bobheffner.com/footlight/fp_mural.shtml
here is another link to edwin
http://www.halseymap.com/Flash/window.asp?HMID=45

not mixed up, just saw that pin sculpture,looking around CP, and thought it fit the line from V6
just throwing it out there, i still like your V5 and CP, what is 17

Sterocox posted an interesting fact about WEB Dubois on page 6 of this thread. Then I found this and feel there maybe a connection.
http://www.edwardianpromenade.com/african-american/the-emancipation-proclamation-exposition-of-1913/
Regards,
Mac

I wonder if the points to find a key person born during a particular 100 year span. What year, I don’t know…1814-1913?

I wonder if anyone’s ever had Centuplets

…am waiting with bated breath…

I do not think there is anything paticular with this quote being from Treasure Island in that he wanted us to go to a “Treasure Island” park or theme park. I did however begin to think that if this is a quote from Treasure Island then it may strenthen the possibility of Pagoda Circle being the area of the casque. Rember the Pagoda is on an island. I do not think the casque is burried on the island though it could be but rather in the area of the pagoda.
With that in mind this is my updated decodeing of the verse. It is unlikely that many people would know the first 3 lines are Treasure Island. The first 8 lines especially line 8 confirms the park and a fountain near the muny theater. It looks tlike freedom at the birth of the centuary was the theame of the 1904 World’s Fair. Once people figured that out they would then reread the verse from the top the first 7 lines would almost definately draw most people to a fountain by the Muny. It is likely that there is only one fountain or two atleast at that time near the Muny. The next four lines wile I have not figured them out will almost definately lead us to the pagoda circle area. I think lines 12 and 13 are or were a more recent event i.e. 60’s or 70’s. The next 5 lines are how to find the casque and the last line is the Pagoda.

scottrocks7

I did however begin to think that if this is a quote from Treasure Island then it may strenthen the possibility of Pagoda Circle being the area of the casque. Rember the Pagoda is on an island.
It looks tlike freedom at the birth of the centuary was the theame of the 1904 World’s Fair.

So far that statement seems the most likely. I could stretch to believe the lines indicate an island. I would think there would be a stronger link though.
and just to clarify, The theme for the 1904 World’s fair was:
Fair Name: Louisiana Purchase Exposition
Location: St. Louis, MO USA
Year of Fair: 1904
Theme of Fair: Celebrating the centennial of the Louisiana Purchase.

I have to say, scott – I’m not seein’ it. Give us something solid.